Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Caesars for Thursday the 10th of April 2025.
I'm joined by Stelios and Harry.
Hello everyone.
And today we're going to be talking about...
Trump's controversial tariffs, how Labour are great replacing themselves, and what is actually going on with the mass deportations that we've heard so much about.
Before we begin, we have Calvin Robinson's Common Sense Crusade after the show, so do go sign up for the website and watch that.
News and politics from a Christian perspective.
Don't ever say I'm not an ally, Christians, because I bloody well am.
Anyway, let's get into the news.
Right, so I think that there is zero doubt that the events of the last week have already made history across several areas.
We've had the economic, the political, the geopolitical, if you like, or call it diplomatic, and we also have the social and its subfields, such as the online spheres.
So I think that basically these tariffs are going to create...
Ramifications that are going to shake the world for the months and years to come.
Isn't that the point of them?
Well, I don't know.
That's part of the reason why I'm doing this segment.
I have to be honest.
I don't know.
But what I do know is that they are going to have effects.
And a lot of people are talking about it.
Dan did a Brokeonomics here on Trump's tariffs.
I think he's going to do more.
He also had a debate with AA.
And definitely check Broconomics out and with as little as £5 a month you can subscribe on our website and aid us on our magnificent mission to tell you the truth about things.
Right, so on to our segment.
So at the moment there is too much noise and everyone is saying what they think about what happens, what's going to happen and a lot of people are talking past each other.
And there are thousands of discussions being had simultaneously because of one thing that's at the core of this.
Uncertainty. Right, so I think that the best thing to do with this segment is to give a sort of timeline or describe some of the major events and some of the weird reactions to them.
Not all of them look good.
Some of them do, not all of them do good, but I have to show you both.
And I'm sure that there will be some comments, but I'm sure that we are going to come back to this conversation again.
Right, so let's start with what happened.
Now, on the 2nd of April, Trump announced the Liberation Day tariffs.
We have here a really good article by Center for Strategic and International Studies.
They are It doesn't scroll down for some reason.
Right? They are having some really good graphs here, talking about reciprocal tariffs.
Graphs that aren't loading.
Graphs that aren't loading, but I can tell you what they said, basically, that...
There we go.
Yes. Thanks to the help.
Right, so.
Let's go here.
They have the prelude to the Liberation Day, the road to April 2, 2025.
It didn't just happen out of nowhere.
They're talking primarily about tariffs between the US and China and Mexico and Canada.
And here we go to the April 2 announcement.
right so as they say that we had a universal 10% tariff to apply to virtually all u.s imports beginning on april 5 and second beginning april 9 the administration will impose country-specific reciprocal tariffs targeted
at 57 named countries with rates reaching as high as 50 percent and here they have a really good graph about the reciprocal tariff by
But something really interesting happened here because...
Although this was communicated in the beginning as reciprocal tariffs, there was massive uncertainty and there still is with respect to what these tariffs are.
And what is its nature?
Now the consensus goes towards the idea that the target is China, but the main question was why weren't they a bit more targeted?
Now, I'll give you a long story short.
My answer to this, what I gather is that...
This was casting two birds with one stone.
One was pressuring China.
The other was getting other allies into the negotiating table and start asking for renegotiating terms of alliance.
Yeah, it looks like he's scaring the hoes.
Yes. Right.
We had several interesting ramifications there because markets don't respond well to uncertainty.
And I know that several people...
Right now, on the right, have started developing an allergy to markets.
That's a particularly interesting development.
I'm one of those that helps.
I kind of hate markets.
You hate markets?
No, I love markets.
I don't understand them, don't like them.
Okay. I've heard some people say the same about women, but...
On tour.
What are you suggesting about Carl, though?
I'm married, so yeah.
No, no, no.
That wasn't what I meant.
Right, so we have Benny Johnson who reacted to the first news of market going down.
And he starts with this wonderful video that...
Could someone play, please?
This mouse works.
Thank you.
This one was turned off.
Let's see.
money costs you nothing this is just the reality of life like were you young young and dumb how much money did you lose everyone loses money everyone loses money
Right. I'm not so certain that this Addresses the American working class.
I'm sorry, but I have to be honest.
I don't think that losing money is losing ones and zeros.
I mean, losing money cost me however much I lost, but I think he's making a fair point about it would be better to lose some money than lose your country.
Or character, as he was talking about.
I don't even dislike Benny.
He seems like a nice enough guy, but that's cope.
That spiel he just gave there was cope.
I absolutely agree with you that losing money is better than losing your country and losing character.
But the question is whether we are at the moment where this is the dilemma we are faced with.
Or whether this is a tiny bit dramatic.
Right, so we have here Jack Posobiec saying my own retirement account is down too.
I don't care.
The golden age is on the other side.
This is April 7th.
I think that's base.
I agree with that.
That's why I vote for Brexit.
I don't care if I'm going to lose money.
All in.
A bit more optimistic?
That's a fair assessment, but at the same time, it's very, very easy to say, I've lost a load of money, I don't care, when you already had a load of money to begin with.
At least he does acknowledge that money isn't just digital ones and zeros that cost you nothing.
Then we have a question that happened.
Why was Russia exempted from the tariffs?
Now, I think that to a certain extent, the answer was a case of Hasn't America massively sanctioned Russia already?
Yes, and the Trump economic advisor Kevin Hassett says that we are in the midst of a negotiation.
But the point I want to make is that if you tariff the entire world and the entire world trades with Russia...
Whether to a lesser extent now due to the war or not doesn't matter, but they do trade.
You're actually harming them as well.
It has secondary consequences and secondary and third order consequences.
So I can see how this could seem as taking Russia out of the picture, but it doesn't entirely take Russia out of the picture.
If Russia's using other countries as a third-party means of getting their products to us or their resources to us, then tariffing those countries means that, yeah, it's going down to Russia.
So if I'm tariffed, if I'm exempted from the tariffs and you're not and you're trading with me and you have less money as a result from those tariffs, you have less of disposable income to buy from me.
So even if I'm not directly targeted, I kind of am.
Right, so we have here the April 7 beginning of the markets in Hong Kong, Taiwan and also Europe.
They're plummeting.
We see here Hong Kong minus 13.6%.
Taiwan minus 9.6%.
Sweden minus 7%.
Switzerland minus 7%.
China minus 7%, which I think is the most important.
UK minus 5.2%.
So we have...
People reacting to this.
And Trump wanted to tell people to stop panicking.
And I will say the word panicking must completely be banned.
I am a free speech advocate, but I'd ban the word panicking.
You're not an absolutist anymore.
After he coined panicking, you said absolutism out the window.
It just has a weird take.
Saying that's what a panicking would say.
Exactly, yeah.
People have quote tweeted me saying exactly that.
Fair point.
For a man who has been remarked as a master of messaging and rhetoric, this is the weakest I've ever seen from him.
The panicking thing is just cringe.
But, you know.
I agree with the general point.
It's like Trump clearly views himself as doing something monumental here.
And all he's trying to communicate to his base is, look, trust me on this.
I know what I'm doing.
Don't panic.
Right, and he says greatness will be the result.
Right, so he also had another statement on April 7th.
He says the US has a chance to do something that should have been done decades ago.
Don't be weak, don't be stupid, don't be a pannikin.
Greatness will be the result.
So he definitely does portray himself as restoring a sort of trade injustice.
Trump has been talking about this since the 1980s.
He has been remarkably consistent.
There's an interview with him on Oprah in 1989 or something, where he says precisely these things.
He does say these things, but also he has a record of being more focused on negotiation.
And in some cases, if everyone knows your entire philosophy in advance, this can harm you on the negotiation table.
And that was why there was...
Larger uncertainty than perhaps expected from the markets to the implementation of his tariffs.
But he has been saying these things, but yeah.
If the goal is to attack essentially the global economic system and remake it in his own image, then causing as much uncertainty as possible is actually good for his plan, right?
I will respectfully say that I do not think that this is entirely his plan.
I know that he is marketing his plan like that, but I don't think it's actually his goal.
But if that's your intent, I mean, I think his goal is to recalibrate the way that international trade is done, right?
Yes, but the question, there are thousands of ways of doing it, some of which can be conducive to goals such as the goal you mentioned.
Others are not.
Sure, but I mean, I would expect Trump to take the most belligerent one, the most blunt tool.
Could be.
Because it's Donald Trump and I've been following him for quite a while now.
I think that some events happen towards the end and maybe, you know, we should bear them in mind.
I guess we'll find out.
Right, so we have here Representative Lauren Boebert who says, I trust the Trump process.
Do not be a panikin.
Be strong, courageous.
And lots of people started playing into that panikin rhetoric.
Right, so what happened was China retaliated with 34%.
Tariffs. Then Trump says that I'm going to put additional tariffs on them from 8%.
And he also said that they're a bit disrespectful to global trade.
And he also threatened to bring the total tariff level on Chinese goods up to 104%.
Right. Just one thing to say.
I think the trade deficit between the US and China is somewhere around $270 billion per year.
So it's a significant number.
Let's bear that in mind in perspective.
On Monday, markets were plummeting, but at some point something happened and they started spiking.
What was this?
There was a rumor that a lot of accounts started circulating, both from the Democrat side and the Republican side, saying that Trump was considering a 90-day pause in tariffs for all countries except China.
Here we have this from Brian Krasenstein, who is from the Democrat side.
He says, "Looks like Trump may have realized that this mess is terrible for the economy, the uncertainty will still hurt.
I just want to say, this is a tremendous power move from Trump.
Look, the entire world is now hanging on rumours of what he may or may not have said.
I mean, I don't think that this is necessarily an issue of Trump.
I think this has to do with the presidency of the US.
Yeah, I know.
He's the president, right?
So he gets to decide.
And if literally a rumour can be...
Oh, Trump's considering rescinding them.
Oh, brilliant, the market's back.
Oh, no, Trump said no, the market's down again.
And everyone is just waiting for Trump to open his mouth and say something.
That's a tremendous...
Like, Trump is accruing to himself a huge amount of power in this.
I think that's what the presidency is supposed to be about.
Yeah, no, no.
I don't know if the presidency is supposed to be that powerful.
But the point is, like, Trump is wielding this, whether you agree with the results or not, whether you think it's good or not.
Trump is actually, like, he's pulling on all the reins, and it turns out everyone's like, oh, no, I'm getting dragged whether I like it or not, right?
And so now it's just Trump making pronouncements like a...
The God Emperor of the world.
And everything moving in quarters.
You've got to kind of admire that, I think.
We'll also talk about the Bond Emperor of the world.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
In a bit.
Right, so the White House denied that rumor, the 90-day tariff pause.
They say our fall, so markets went down again.
Next day...
See you tomorrow.
Next day...
We had some...
People posting about market going up, but the whole day was...
Market going down.
Market going down.
Down. Which one is it?
That's the thing.
By the end of this, they're going to be begging for stability.
And so they're basically going to take anything Trump gives them.
I think that basically, to cut the long story short, I'm of the opinion that Trump caved in when the bond market was...
I guess we'll find out what he does tomorrow, won't we?
Yeah, a bit of a volatility.
Right, so we have here senators Rand Paul and Ron Wyden who teamed up to introduce a resolution to terminate the national emergency underpinning all the tariffs.
They represent a completely different approach towards trade and the philosophy of trade within the Republican Party.
I think we at least need to mention it.
I'm much closer to Rand Paul than I am to Trump on issues of this sort.
I must say.
Right, so Trump's here talking about the countries calling him and kissing his ass and trying to renegotiate with him.
He's saying, if this isn't working, where's the fail state here?
He's got everyone apart from China basically sucking up to him.
Well, the EU started approving first retaliation against US tariffs.
They have absolutely no spine whatsoever.
China will probably hold out, but the EU's not going to do anything.
Right, so they are interested.
You know I'm right.
You know I'm right.
What was the other thing?
I don't know if you're right.
What was the thing they did the other day?
It was the free speech thing or something with Vance.
And they were talking tough until like five minutes in.
They were just like, okay, fine.
Yeah. They pretend that they have a spine, but they absolutely do not.
The Chinese, I believe, will have a spine.
The Europeans, absolutely not.
Right. And here we have bond chaos in the markets and some really interesting events that unfollowed.
Now, what goes on is that, generally speaking, bonds are considered to be safe.
A safe haven during economic uncertainty.
Why? Because if you borrow money from me and I die, You have a problem.
And good luck getting it from my family.
But if I'm a state...
Tight purse strings, eh?
But if I'm a state, there's no element of, let's say, the biological aspect in a state, so...
Bonds are supposed to be a safe haven.
So the yields of bonds went up, which communicated a massive uncertainty into the US financial system.
And I think that basically Trump caved in and he announced a 90-day pause to the tariffs except China.
But before he did so, and this has caused something that...
Doesn't look particularly bad, or at least to some people it seems like a kind of market manipulation.
He started circulating on Truth Social.
This is a great time to buy.
Yeah. And a few hours or minutes, depending on which account you read, he announced the pause in tariffs, so the market went up.
So the people who bought before Who had that window of opportunity amassed massive fortunes.
Okay. So some people say that this is not a good look at all.
So Trump's doing in public what Nancy Pelosi does in private.
Still not a good look.
I should have bought.
Right. So Trump here says, based on the lack of respect that China has shown to the world's market, he's raising the tariff charged to China by the U.S. to 125 percent.
But he authorizes a 90 day pause and a substantially lowered reciprocal tariff during this period of 10 percent, also effective.
Thank you for your attention on the matter.
So this to me looks like divide and rule, right?
This looks very much like he's isolating China.
I mean, I'm no expert on this, but what it looks like he's done...
Is that he's essentially just carpet bombed everyone to make everyone pay attention at the beginning.
So look, I'm about to screw everyone, so pay attention.
And then he, this caused the markets to go crazy.
And then a bunch of people come to Trump saying, look, Trump, actually, we'd like to work with you.
We'd like to be good friends.
Please, can you not browbeat us and destroy our economies?
Okay, maybe I'll have another day paused.
Ah, no, that was fake, actually.
It's all back on.
Ah, no, actually, it's just 125% on China.
And so, the Chinese, I mean, where are their allies?
Who's gone to China?
You know, who's gone begging to China for a good deal or whatever?
No one, right?
They're all going to Donald Trump.
Everyone's hanging on Trump's word, and now China is just going to be sat there with a 125% tariff, and everyone else is going, thank God it's not us.
Right? I mean, honestly, it feels kind of like the sort of thing that Louis XIV would have done with the aristocrats at the parallels of Versailles.
So my question here is,
if all this is economic nationalism, Number one, why does he pause the tariffs?
Why doesn't he pursue it?
You don't know that tomorrow he'll just put them back on.
He could be, but the question is, there are some people...
He's gaining allies with this, right?
I don't think so.
Of course he is.
What he's doing is showing the countries that really know that they are dependent on America, that pretended the fiction that, no, no, we're independent, we're sovereign countries, we're not economically dependent on America, we'll stand up for ourselves.
Trump has just called their bluff, right?
And they all went begging to him, no, actually, please don't put the tariffs on.
He's like, okay, fine.
I won't put that on for at least 90 days, which is not exactly a permanent guarantee, especially the way that Trump makes decisions.
But bam, 125% on China, because it's not a secret that Trump has had it in for China since before he even ran for president.
Trump has been saying about China forever, and so now what he's got is all of these people begging him for good deals, which he's granting them because, of course, the clemency of the God Emperor Trump, whereas China is getting absolutely made an example of.
Am I wrong?
But the issue is that if he's granting it at the expense of his people, that's a question that some economic nationalist may be asking.
Absolutely, this will...
Whether him not going forward with the tariffs actually harm the working class that would be benefited according to the pro-tariff wing of MAGA.
I suspect in the short term this will be the case.
But it's the same moment, in my opinion, on Brexit.
Yeah, I'll take the hit.
I think we should take the hit.
Right. So next we have the self-congratulation phase.
Benny Johnson is...
Well, I'm to our character, bro.
So, for things like that, what that appears to me is Benny is just a MAGA talking head.
He's like...
Like many people, doesn't really understand or see the bigger picture of what's going on as it's happening.
So he's just adjusting to cheerlead at whatever is going on at any particular time.
He's kind of following the same patterns.
You know that Defiant guy?
It's kind of like that.
No matter what they do, it's the best thing ever.
And anything the party has done, whether it's contradictory to yesterday, whether or not I completely understand what's happening, good work guys, two thumbs up.
Andreas here, this meme is true.
A lot of people who don't really understand what Trump's doing are just like, yeah, no, this is a good deal because Trump did it.
It's like, yeah, okay, fine.
But what do you expect of the mass of people?
Here we have also Stephen Miller from the White House who is saying you have been watching the greatest economic master strategy from an American president in history.
So I think that there are two ways of viewing it.
One is this way.
And the one that tries to portray Trump as the economic mastermind and also negotiation mastermind.
And the other is, I'd say, the more skeptical, which I'm in favor of.
And I think that he absolutely caved in due to the reaction of the bond market.
And afterwards, the self-congratulation phase is a sort of trying to deal with it from a communicative perspective.
I think he absolutely caved in.
And to be honest, I think that's a good thing.
It's a good thing to have a president who also cares about how the markets are reacting as opposed to just saying, I really don't care and I'm going to just not care about markets.
Because markets are fundamentally people and they affect everyone.
I mean, this just looks like a massive power play to me.
And it just looks like Trump has completely isolated China, drawn all of his allies who are reliant on America over to his side.
And right now it's us against China now.
China's got the massive tariff.
You're never going to go near them.
You can come to us and we're going to make sure.
And so how is this not a win?
I think Trump's basically accrued a huge amount of power to himself here.
I can see your argument there, especially after the past four years of Biden being clearly an incompetent and impotent leader, just reasserting that actually we are in charge.
Yeah. Tomorrow I might wake up and you'll all get tariffed again, so you better hope I'm feeling clement.
Better hope I get my orange juice with my breakfast or something, or else I'm going to be in a bad mood and bam, you're all in trouble.
I think this is Trump flexing, frankly.
Who knows?
The Engaged Few says, if your country's stock market went down because the US decided the massive trade deficit was high among our people, with all due respect, fuck every square centimetre of you twice.
I will say, I think that kind of attitude directed at your own allies is not wise.
If it hurts China, good.
My son is an officer in the Royal Australian Navy.
Too poor to have stocks and bonds.
Yeah, that's another thing.
A lot of people don't have stocks.
There's something like 92% of people don't have stocks.
I don't have stocks.
J.M. Denton says, Trump's moves long-term benefit are far greater than the endless nagging of boomers and corporations.
Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it.
It's like, look, I think putting America back in the driving seat of the global economy is probably a good idea and probably what he's been trying to do all along.
Was it not already?
Well, kind of.
I mean, Trump doesn't think so, right?
Like, whether I agree or not, you know.
I think it's, I think he...
Well, the thing is this persistent bleed effect, right?
Like, I really...
Can't help but look at this in the sort of Civ game perspective.
It's like, why would I just allow my manufacturing to get captured by my rivals?
There's just no good reason for it.
No, it'd be much better to have that in your country because the productive capacity of the country is the true strength of the country.
And you can be like, yeah, well, we've got this sort of fictional soft power.
But Britain's learning the hard way that without the actual hard productivity, nothing.
But this views the worker only in their capacity as a producer, not as a consumer.
Okay. So if you impose all sorts of tariffs, maybe you have work on the one hand, as you say, because the industry is back in the short term.
But also what happens is that the prices go up.
And if prices go up and everything, your nominal wage corresponds to less real wage.
I agree.
And so your purchasing power goes down.
I appreciate that.
I think there has been a bleed effect.
I think Trump is trying to staunch with that.
And that's, I think, what the plan is here.
And again, I'm not saying it's perfectly executed or that it's even very well thought out, but...
I mean, I'm just looking at this as a power play, and I think Trump's done pretty well.
It's interesting, yeah, if nothing else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Barbell says, this was Trump's plan, let the man cook, to quote Jack Donovan, when Europeans comment on American politics, it always reads like fat girls talking about what the hot girls did.
Can I take a moment to address?
Yeah, because I've heard some people saying that we don't have air conditions or something.
Yeah, Americans don't.
That's BS.
I just wanted to address, and to the Americans watching this, this is nothing against you.
The Americans that I know are all wonderful, lovely people.
But in the online discourse, there does seem to be a strange animosity that a lot of Americans have towards Europeans.
And I'm not saying that that's not reciprocal.
There are a lot of snooty Europeans who look down the noses at it.
But I think that there's much more to be gained through dropping the animosity and respectfully acknowledging that...
Ancestral ties that we all share together.
Europe is the homeland of Americans and it is where the culture derives from and I don't see any benefit in kind of having this strange animosity towards Europeans because America is the...
world hegemon, it has been since the end of World War II, we will rebuilt through the Marshall Plan.
Most of our industry tends to be owned by Americans, the trade deficits are going on mainly
because of the fact that, well, European countries don't have space for things like American cars, for instance.
It doesn't mean that we hate you.
And I don't think kind of encouraging that competition
Also, I think a lot of Americans mistake our shit-lib globalist elite class for being what Europeans think.
No, we hate them, and we want them to go as well.
The majority of people are much more inclined towards America and towards just being far right than they are towards being shit libs.
It's just they're the ones with the power.
We've got $100 from Alexa 308.
Thank you very, very much.
Yeah, who says, Stelius respectfully agreed to disagree about this, trying to get manufacturing back.
This is about trying to get manufacturing back.
I do not disagree with this, honestly.
Thank you for saying it respectfully and also for the donation.
Thank you.
And I'm not anti...
Republican. I'm not anti-Republican.
We were here in the election.
I'm really cautious of a particular kind of approach towards Trump, which I don't think it's healthy for both Trump and MAGA.
Yeah, but I supported Trump as an agent of chaos, who was literally to come in and just start bullying all of the other countries on Earth into doing the right thing, and that's what I feel I'm getting out of this.
And again, just because I don't think I finished my point as well as I could have.
Basically, Europeans, we have to pay attention to what's happening in America.
We have to comment on it because you're the global superpower.
What happens to you in your markets, in the way that you're reacting to geopolitical issues, it affects us directly as well.
So that's why we spend so much time talking about it.
And also, you don't have exactly a tradition of trusting your government up until from the 60s.
So, yeah, just...
We also don't trust our governments.
The French went about it in a particularly brutal...
Actually, that's one of the things I love about them.
How much they hate their government.
Yeah, I know.
I mean, if it helps.
Pathological hatred.
It's good, but it's good.
I actually do trust our government just to do the wrong thing.
Anyway, let's move on.
So, good news.
Labour is great replacing themselves because the fruits that they have...
The seeds that they have sown are boring fruit and those fruits are...
Muslim independent MPs that will undoubtedly eventually form a Muslim party that will replace the Labour Party in those places that they thought they had strongholds.
This is actually, I mean, it's sad, it's disgraceful, it should never have happened, it shouldn't be allowed to happen, it should be stopped right now, but it won't be because the Labour Party are deep-seated ideologues and they can't ever change their mind on anything.
And everything they do has to be viewed through the kind of hyper-partisan lens, whereas, oh look, Anyway, moving on.
So... You may remember back at the beginning of the year when Elon Musk went on a rampage and was like, wow, Jess Phillips is a genocide apologist and started hammering the Labour Party for not being in favour of a grooming gang inquiry in Oldham because Oldham Council asked the government,
look, can we please have a grooming gang inquiry, a national one?
And Labour were like, no, you can't because that will deeply implicate us and the client groups we've brought into this country.
...to replace you as voters.
And, in fact, Health Secretary Wes Streeting was like, well, look, Elon Musk, right?
We care so much about the grooming gangs that we would like you to take this seriously with us and, quote, roll up your sleeves and work with us against the rape gangs.
That's, in fact, the BBC's exact framing there, which is, you know, remarkable, considering how they've softly, softly approached this in any other times.
So on the 16th of January, Vette Cooper was like, oh, well, look.
We're going to have a nationwide review of grooming gang evidence.
I mean, I'm pretty sure we have done that.
I'm pretty sure we have that already.
We know what the problem is.
We know the communities the problem is coming out of.
We know the victims, what they've been doing to them.
It's all...
Abominable. But then she says, right, so we'll have five government-backed local inquiries.
She stopped short of launching a statutory national inquiry, which is really what people want, which is what the Labour Party, the Conservatives and some Labour MPs, and of course at the time Reform, were calling for.
But this marks a clear shift in their position.
She also pledged £5 million to this.
Oh, right, okay.
Okay. To me, the whole point of an inquiry is the results that we get at the end of it.
The action that is taken at the end of it.
Just continually trying to brush it off.
We need to do this inquiry.
No, we're going to do these inquiries.
No, we need to do a broader one.
No, we need to keep them more localized.
All of that is pushing the issue back to try and turn it into an endless churn of conversation.
When realistically...
We already know who the perpetrators are.
We know what they have been doing.
We know where they are.
There needs to be action, direct action, taken off of the information that is already well known across the country.
Yeah, and that's why you need it to be a statutory inquiry.
So it has government powers that can actually compel people to come and testify or reveal information documents to...
Hand it over to the government so they can prove that this has been happening at the local level, at the councils, at the police and the social workers, and going up to the government.
The problem with the local ones is that the people who would be conducting it locally are probably all so wrapped up in it.
Marking their own homework.
Yes, we'll trust them on that.
Exactly correct.
Exactly correct.
And so it turns out that Labour are like, yeah, we're not going to do that, actually.
What we're going to do is adopt a flexible approach, says Jess Phillips, Home Office Minister, for safeguarding women and girls.
It's like, really, you'd think, really, that they would be incredibly firm on this.
Jess Phillips has got a long and storied history of being an insufferable feminist and therefore claiming to want to protect women and girls, and she's like, yeah, no, we're just going to back away from this.
You'd expect she cares about women?
Well, I mean, hypothetically...
What kind of women?
And what kind of men are abusing them?
Those are the two most important questions.
Is it Andrew Tate?
And whether they vote.
Is it Andrew Tate fans or is it New British?
Well, this is the...
I mean, sometimes one and the same.
But this is the question.
So she said, no, look, we're going to be more flexible about this, guys.
We need to be flexible.
She said that this could mean full independent local inquiries, which is not what Oldham and other places were asking for.
They're asking for government inquiries.
They don't want these to be independent.
Because, of course, I say that people will be marking their own bloody homework.
But it could also include, quote, more bespoke work, including local victims' panels or locally-led audits of historical...
the handling of historical cases.
So, right, as you can see, it's...
Local victims panels.
Yeah, we're just going to have local victims panels where they sit there.
They sit there in a support circle and no action is taken.
Again, just brushing it back to a conversation.
Yeah, exactly.
So you can see why people like, right, so you're watering this down and hoping it'll just drain away so nothing happens.
And actually, one Conservative MP called Katie Lamb kind of gave it to her in Parliament, which is pretty great.
and being recruited in Wales.
The girls we are talking about, Mr Speaker, are predominantly white.
The men who preyed on them were predominantly Muslim, generally either from Pakistan or of Pakistani heritage.
One of the victims from Dewsbury was told by her rapist, I quote, "We're here to fuck all the white girls and fuck the government." Will the Minister accept that, in many cases, these crimes were racially and religiously aggravated?
So that pretty much is the nail on the head.
That might be the strongest rhetoric I've heard from anyone in government regarding this.
Yeah, it's pretty great, actually.
I'm glad that she pointed out the racial aspect for it, because the government just frankly doesn't care.
For the most part.
Well, it's been trying to avoid the topic.
And they try to explain, well, you know, there are other sexual abuse that happens for non-ethnic reasons.
Okay, but in this particular case, we have over and over and over seen that there has been an ethnic and racially motivated, racial motivation for this.
And so...
What was Jess Phillips' response to this, I wonder?
Well, it was to diffuse and just...
And to stutter away at it.
Is she accuser of toxic masculinity, I gather?
No, but interesting that she could have done.
But she could have done that to Trevor Phillips.
Because Trevor Phillips, who has a long history in Britain of discussing racial issues that have been caused by multiculturalism, has just come out and said, look, it's obvious that they don't want to offend the Pakistani Muslims.
Yep, that's entirely the point.
Because... This is something, this is a voting block that Labour relies upon.
Because, for example, and again, just to remind Americans, Britain is only 6.5% Muslim, but it's hyper-concentrated in certain constituencies.
And if you're a Labour MP and you've been courting them as a little client group, saying, look, vote for us, keep our Labour MPs in Parliament, and we'll make sure that no one's ever Islamophobic to you, we'll make sure that everyone promotes Eid and all this sort of stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah, that's great.
Until the Muslims realised, well, why can't we just get our own MPs to do that?
And actually, that's kind of what's been happening.
Take, for example, Adnan Hussain, MP.
He became an MP in 2024.
He's part of one of the four independent Muslim MPs.
Five, if you count Jeremy Corbyn.
I would, which I do.
And he says, oh no, in response to Rupert Lowe, We're not worried about you offending us.
I can assure you that Pakistanis want an inquiry and justice for the victims as much as anyone else.
So, when the vote in Parliament was, shall we have a national inquiry, how do you think he voted?
Oh, well, he must have been all for it, right?
That's right, he abstained.
He didn't vote for it!
You liar!
You snake!
You serpent!
We know what you're doing because these things are all public, bro.
We can see how you vote on these things.
And come on now.
Come on now.
You can't fool us.
So anyway, Nigel has come out and started saying things.
Which I find very amusing.
As you can see here, he's like, Labour are running scared of the extremist Muslim vote in our inner cities.
It's like, Nige, that seems to be you walking very close to the line of calling Muslims extremists.
Because just think about how many of these Muslim independents there are, how many people in that constituency must have voted on the purely Muslim ticket.
What you're saying is, about 40% of these constituencies are full of extremists.
That sounds like the sort of thing that you castigated Tommy Robinson for saying.
That sounds like the sort of thing that you kicked out various candidates from your party for saying.
And what happens by 2050?
I thought we shouldn't alienate these people.
That's a great point.
You sound a lot like you're coming really close to alienating Islam.
Bit of a concern, isn't it?
I mean, this is a bit weird.
But he is, in fact, in many ways, correct.
Because you can look at the seats, and these are really funny.
As you can see here from the 2011 census, in, say, Birmingham and Yardley, the Muslim population was 31%, the Christian population 47%.
That has inverted in the last decade.
In Birmingham and Yardley, this is Jess Phillips' seat.
And so what does that mean?
Well, that means that Jess Phillips is getting great replaced.
Jess Phillips!
She won the last election in 2024 by about 600 votes out of 100,000.
It was on a knife edge.
And the person who was closest to her was a woman from the Workers' Party of Great Britain, which is George Galloway's Communist Islamo Party.
So basically it was, you vote for the Muslims or you vote for Labour, both of them essentially being the same thing.
But why would they vote for Jess Phillips?
What would be the need?
And so she got essentially harassed by a bunch of Muslim men during her...
Acceptance speech, which is pretty terrible.
I bet they hadn't watched Adolescence.
I bet they bloody well haven't.
Let's have a look at Wes Streeting.
It was at this moment that she realised.
Yeah, it literally is.
No, she didn't.
No, she didn't.
Accountability, responsibility, understanding the F around and find out curve, impossible.
You have literally brought in a constituency of people who have a shared collective identity that is overtly political.
I've just noticed in this graph they've even started pushing the Sikhs out and the Jewish population has almost halved as well.
I'm not that surprised.
It's not great, is it?
There was 93 Jews living there before and they all slowly have gone, I don't know about this.
What are we doing here, bro?
Half of them have left.
Anyway, so the next one is West Streetings, Ilford North constituency.
Whereas you can see there, Lianne Muhammad, in the latest poll that's come out, would defeat them by a massive margin.
By more than two to one.
Labour have great replaced themselves in Ilford North.
This is incredible, actually, because again, it's exactly the same person.
Is that where Wes Streeting is?
Yes, that's where Wes Streeting is, the current Health Secretary, who's like, you know, no, we're going to work with this.
I see, 36% Christian, 23% Muslim in 2011, 32%, 31%, and suddenly...
Wes Streeting's out of a job.
Sorry, Wes.
What's going on here, bro?
How do you feel about this?
Do us a favour.
I tagged you in a tweet about this, but you didn't respond.
I guess you mustn't have seen it.
I'm sure you see this, though.
Let me know how you feel that you are going to get replaced by Lianne Muhammad in your constituency.
Are you still in favour of mass immigration?
Are you still in favour of just unlimited and complete access to our country for these people who can move in into the same place and just vote for their own people?
How do you as a politician feel that your career is over?
So anyway, let's look at some other ones.
We mentioned Adnan Hussein, right?
And it's just the short-sightedness of Labour is really starting to catch up with them here.
It's kind of funny, right?
His constituency is Blackburn, right?
And if you look at the 20th century, that was basically occupied by Jack Straw, right?
Labour... All the way since 1955 until 2024, when I was an independent Muslim MP.
Shall we look at the constituency demographic profile?
Is it going to be one of those stories we've already seen?
Boom! Yes it is!
Look at that in 2011, 39%, 47% Muslim Christian, now 49%, 32% Muslim MP.
I've been to Blackburn as well, it's eight.
It's a grim place.
Grim place to be.
I totally agree.
But it used to be a grim Labour place, full of English people who voted Labour.
Not anymore, and probably never again.
What reason do these people have to vote for the Labour Party when they could vote for Muslims?
They could vote for themselves, and they will.
What about Leicester South?
This is Shockat Adam, who is another one of the independent Muslim MPs.
What do you think, Harry?
Let me guess.
Labour since 2005 until, boom, 2024.
And even then, before that, it was basically since 1987.
And even then, boom, of course, we've got a Muslim independent.
How's it looking?
Exactly the same.
Exactly the same profile.
Every single time, it reaches the tipping point where they suddenly become the majority of the constituents in that area.
The plurality of the constituents.
And then they just vote themselves in.
Yeah, but why wouldn't they?
Yeah, exactly.
Why wouldn't you expect it?
If I was living in...
Pakistan. And I was able to vote in an election and there was one random English guy.
Yeah, even if it wasn't English.
If it was a Frenchman, a Spaniard, a Belgian, anyone like that, European, well, he's probably got more in common with me than the rest of these people do.
Exactly. He better represents you than even if the Muslim party is saying, oh, we're going to pander to European interests.
You'd be like, okay, I'm sure you will.
I know you've got all of these other interests that are like hooks on you that you can't get rid of.
And so I'm just going to vote for my guy, who I know doesn't have those hooks on him.
And so I know you're going to vote exclusively for my interest.
Again, Birmingham Perry.
Shall we look at that one?
That's Iqbal Mohammed, the fourth independent Muslim.
As you can see, since 1974, this was Labour stronghold.
Now, sorry, this is the wrong one.
Ayub Khan.
I'm on here, sorry.
And as you can see from the thing, 35% in 2011, 45% now, it's going to be a Muslim stronghold forever.
Now, this is what you have done to yourselves, Labour Party.
Like I said, that was Ayub Khan.
This reminds me of an equivalent of what Lenin was saying against the capitalists.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, that they are selling the rope to hang them.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, electorally.
Yes, absolutely.
You were exactly right.
Sorry, it was Dewsbury and Batley that has been merged into the same constituency now.
Batley was Labour since 1997.
Dewsbury was Labour since 1987 to 2010 when there was a brief Conservative interregnum.
And of course, now, if you look at it, 38% in 2011, 46% in 2021.
Bam. Now you're going to get a Muslim MP forever.
So, Labour, I think we can comprehensively state, are great replacing themselves.
So, I mean, I looked it up, by the way, Keir Starmer's got a while to go before he's great replaced, which is a bit of a shame.
Yvette Cooper is from the Welsh constituency, and they've had virtually no immigration, so it's not happening there.
But the English ones must feel that they are on borrowed time, because they are definitely under siege, and they are trying to serve two masters.
On the one hand, they have a growing Muslim population in the cities that they have brought in, who are great replacing them and will just literally just cycle out Labour MPs for Muslim MPs.
And that's hundreds.
There's going to be hundreds of Labour MPs built in the back of that.
And on the other side, you have those ones outside of the cities, or in the still majority English areas of those cities, who are furious about the German gangs.
and so you have the
The desire to protect the community from whence the grooming gangs come, and so not to offend them, or the desire to choose the new constituency that might actually vote for you in the future, because that constituency ain't going to vote for you in the future.
So Labour are on the horns of a dilemma here.
They're trying to serve two masters, and it's clearly tearing them apart.
As the Times point out here, this article is just a list of loads of MPs going, yeah, I'm just getting it in the neck constantly.
Just like, oh my god, people are...
Constantly going on about all of this stuff.
All the way through it.
Imagine you're some Labour MP and you actually did just genuinely want to I don't know, you're some idiot basically who decided I want to help the workers and then you get elected in and all of a sudden you're having to deal with all of these weird foreign ethnic interests that you have no idea about.
It would be a bit confusing.
Yeah, and so Yvette Cooper has decided, you know what, I am going to slam the misinformation that the Grimming Gang inquiries are essentially being cancelled or diffused into other things.
No, no, no, we are still doing this, she says.
She looks like she's aged ten years in that one picture, doesn't she?
They all do.
I didn't want to comment on it, but they look rough, because I think they can see that the time is absolutely running out for them.
But they're going to...
She says that she's going to do it, but actually, if you look into the details of what she said...
She's basically saying, no, we're going to work with the police and make sure that they've got what they need to do, the local inquiries.
It's like, okay, but that just ends up going down the road of no statutory authority, no hard barriers on who is going to be able to avoid this.
And basically, you're letting them, again, mark their own homework, so not exactly something that's going to help.
And really, I think they deliberately do this, not only to protect the Muslim community, but also because they're going to be pointing the finger at their own bloody counsellors.
Not you two, obviously.
But you know what I mean?
They'll be pointing their finger at their own councillors and be like, oh right, so it was us, was it?
Oh, we did this, did we?
Oh, okay, that's weird.
And finally, Rupert Lowe has managed to raise half a million pounds.
That's impressive.
It's very impressive.
For his own independent rape gang inquiry.
Because you may remember at the beginning of the year, Nigel Farage was very firm saying, yes, we're going to have our own reforms, we're going to have our own independent inquiry.
And then after the Rupert Lowe thing, he was like, well, we won't have any statutory powers, so we won't bother.
There are some people who are saying that this inquiry shouldn't happen on the right, because we already know.
I think that's profoundly mistaken, because a lot of people in the online sphere may know, but this is going to do wonders for the general population.
Keeping it in the discourse, I think, is important.
I mean, it could also on Earth.
Who knows how much else?
On top of it.
Because, again, the inquiries that have happened so far, correct me if I'm wrong, have all mostly been local ones as well.
So who knows what has been covered up in those.
Again, to me, I'm happy to support a national inquiry as long as there is the promise of direct and definitive action at the other end of it.
People need to...
Yeah, I mean, what this is is a fantastic method of putting pressure on the Labour Party to do what is the right thing, ultimately, and what the British public want, which is why Nigel Farage supported it initially, and after his break with Rupert Lowe has decided, well, there's no point if there's no statutory powers.
It's like, okay, but you knew that from the start, and you still supported it.
It's very strange, and this has become political football between the two, but anyway, so we'll leave that there.
The Engaged View says, Makes one wonder how long before the left pushes to change the term grape into surprise sexist and not feminist as well.
Any amount of time.
Regarding Stelios as well, we missed one.
Matt Hammond said, Supposedly Trump approached allied countries in his previous administration about removing tariffs and trade barriers, and they brushed him off.
Trump woke them up to the issue and isolated China.
If that's true, that's very interesting, actually.
Yeah, and that's a random name, says, I swear to God, every time I see Jess Phillips, I immediately think of Ludwig the Accursed from Bloodborne.
I have no idea.
I get that reference.
He is a deformed horse monster.
Unironically. Except he becomes noble again, which I don't think is going to happen with Jess Phillips.
You know what's interesting?
Jess Phillips, if you look at the pictures of her from 2015, where she's got a much more full face, she looks like she's been on Ozempic or something.
She looks a lot more attractive back in 2015, which is not something I thought I'd ever say.
That's not saying that.
It's because her face isn't hollowed out from weight loss.
It looks awful.
Yeah, so...
Anyway, last segment.
Let's talk about the big promise that Donald Trump has made, which was the mass deportations leading up to his election, and see how they're doing.
Because there have been some issues with them that have been going ahead so far, which I do not necessarily know if I can blame his administration for them thus far.
mainly because one of the big metrics I keep seeing brushed about is that Joe Biden, by this time last year, had deported more people in that year than Donald Trump has done this year.
And I don't necessarily know if I want to blame Trump or his administration for that, because Biden was the inside guy.
We know from the events of
He was the deep state's appointee, essentially.
And thus...
Like in the Labour Party and Blair, where the entire system is Blairite, I would imagine that if Joe Biden wanted people deported, he'd have a lot more people saying, Sir, yes, sir, we'll get on it straight away, than Donald Trump, who does still face a lot of institutional pushback from the many people employed in the US government who have massive TDS.
Moreover, Biden let in about 10 million people.
Yeah, it's also a lot easier to continually deport people if you're letting a lot more people in.
And I will say as well, we'll get to the figures, but the situation on...
I think the southern border under Trump thus far looks a lot, a lot better than it did this time last year under Biden.
So we'll go over a lot of that, but we'll also see what's happening with the attempts to deport a few people who are allegedly members of a Venezuelan gang that you might remember from a segment we did last year and also see what he's doing to try and...
Get rid of other people in the country.
So for instance, right now he's revoking hundreds of international student visas.
Whenever I talk about things like this, I don't like to see the word hundreds.
I want to see hundreds of thousands.
That's the kind of figures that I want to be seeing with something like this.
Because when it comes to mass demographic replacement, it happens at such a rapid rate.
I mean, America, I believe, is already, what, 57%?
White demographically.
It happens so quickly and becomes potentially irreversible to such an extent that if you want to reverse these trends, especially with the illegals, which is the big problem in America, you need to be getting them out in huge numbers all at once.
And when it comes to legal migration, things like student visas are a big problem as well.
I know in the UK we bring lots of people over with that route who also get to bring their entire family along as dependents.
I'd imagine it's very much the same in America as well.
This is over 80 universities reported revoked visas, according to a tracker by Inside Higher Education.
U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio confirmed at least 300 visas have been remoked.
300,000, Marco.
That's what we're looking for.
Adding that the department was targeting those who were involved in activities that run counter to U.S. national interest.
So these are like pro-Palestinian activists like that man that you covered earlier.
on the podcast.
Mahmoud Khalil, yeah.
Yes, that was his name, who is name-checked in this as well.
Some people want to whine about my constitution, my civil liberties, the ACLU, want to get involved in this.
But again, if it's a question of...
Sorry, what does the constitution say about international student visas?
Not much.
Exactly, not much.
Piss off.
Not much.
So I feel like waving about a piece of paper that's been ignored since probably at least Eisenhower is not the best.
Well, actually, since FDR stole all of your gold.
Oh, and Wilson instituted the draft in 1917.
The Constitution has been time to time completely ignored and sidestepped for 100 years at this point.
So if it's done for bad reasons, you can also do it.
For civilisation-saving reasons.
And the ACLU are fifth-columnist subversives within your institutions in the first place, so I would just ignore anything that they have to say in the first place.
Also, ICE is currently looking to adjust its business model into turning themselves into Amazon for mass deportations.
Acting Director Todd Lyons told attendees at the 2025 Border Security Expo in Phoenix that he hoped to model his agency after Amazon, saying he was envious of their shipping and logistics.
We want Ice Prime one-day delivery.
I think many Americans would be more than happy to pay for their taxes if that is what was going on.
In addition to the taxes, like, look, you just have to pay five bucks a month to get Ice Prime.
Would it be worth millions to sign up for it?
Oh, absolutely.
He envisioned a future in which the mass roundups and deportations of people in the US could run as efficiently as ordering a cheap pair of headphones.
So, make it happen!
You're going home.
Absolutely. Just make it happen.
As part of that plan, they've been speaking about basically working with private corporations to try and implement that.
I think there are some billionaires who are interested in teaming up with the US government to make this happen as well.
So, absolutely, this is something that's been said a number of times.
I think Enoch Powell spoke about, well, if we want to get these people out of the country, make it profitable.
Make it very profitable for companies to get these people out of the country.
If they're not supposed to be here and you can make money from it, then there are going to be very enterprising businessmen who will get them out as quickly and as cheaply as possible.
So absolutely make this happen.
And there's also reports from places like the Council on Foreign Relations, Fifth Columnists as well.
Don't worry about them.
Yeah. And even three months.
drop in the bucket.
It needs to be more than that, but he will be facing a lot more institutional pushback than Biden did.
According to data from Witness at the Border, a US-based migrant advocacy group,
there have been more than 350 deportation flights since the start of the year.
So again, ramp, though.
numbers up.
350,000 deportation flights.
Just keep them going.
Make it a conveyor belt.
I mean, that's a lot of flights.
That's a lot of flights, but we know they could make it happen.
The most notable deportations occurred on March 15th, and we'll return to this,
When Trump invoked the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport to El Salvador more than 200 alleged members of the Venezuelan Tren de Aragua gang, which the United States has designated a terrorist organization.
Now, of course, people are pushing back against them being terrorists while ignoring that...
Biden himself last year designated them an international criminal organization, which is exactly what they are.
The deportation figures, it says, are not as high as expected according to federal data.
While border crosses have plummeted, the Trump admin deported fewer people in February 2025 than Biden did in February last year.
Biden deported approximately 4 million people during his presidency compared to the roughly 3 million people deported by his predecessor, Obama, who was dubbed the deporter-in-chief.
That's Far too good a name.
Regarding the border is possible.
Pardon? Guarding the border is possible.
Guarding the border is possible.
And again, yeah, you are absolutely right.
It's a lot easier to deport millions of people when you're letting millions of people in through the border all at once.
And let's take a look first.
First, actually, let's take a look so we can see where a lot of these people are going.
Apparently, some of the people are deporting are taking quick stops in Guantanamo Bay, which is quite interesting.
But most of them are not going back to their home countries.
They're being taken to, like we see here in El Salvador, where they're going to prisons, essentially, to be held.
Because one of the reasons that you want to deport people is they're criminals who shouldn't be in the country in the first place.
I mean, if they're in the country illegally, they're automatically criminals.
Violent, psychotic criminals who join satanic drug gangs whose mottos are literally "kill,
Yes, and who knows how to deal with those kind of guys?
El Salvador.
So that's interesting.
And let's take a look at the graph of the southwest land border encounters.
Now, each of these lines represents a different year.
Can you tell which year is this year?
I can tell which years are the Biden years.
Yeah. Yeah, you really can.
So this orange line here is 2024, whereas, and you can see here, that was, what, just in 2024 February, they had almost 200,000 enforcement encounters.
So those are just the ones that they do count.
February of this year, where'd it go?
There it is.
February of this year, 11,000.
Amazing. That's...
That's a huge improvement.
That is a ridiculous drop.
So, whether people want to disparage the actual deportation figures, of course, I do think that they should be higher, and hopefully as the administration carries on as we go through 2025, 26, 27, hopefully those figures will get a lot higher, but, I mean, just the border crossing numbers look a lot better.
So that's a massive improvement, so I've got to give it to that.
And on to the main topic now, which is the issue surrounding the use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport these violent criminals in a Venezuelan gang, the Tren de Aragua.
I keep getting that wrong, so I'm being very, very careful with how I say that.
Now, you may actually remember these guys from a segment that Stelios did last year when in Aurora, Colorado, there was an apartment complex where we had a lot of footage being shared about on social media, particularly TV.
I remember a lot of leftist denial.
No, there's not a town in Colorado that's literally being taken over by a Venezuelan murder gang.
Well, I mean, the CNN are reporting armed gang members were seen on video.
T-took over.
The apartment complex is now being closed because it was taken over by Venezuelan gang members.
Can you guess which Venezuelan gang it was?
Uh, Frente Aragua.
Yes. It's pronounced obviously.
Yes. Exactly them.
So these guys are a big problem in America right now, and the American feds are saying, we don't want these people in our country, they make everything more dangerous, they actually tend to victimize...
Other Venezuelan immigrants in particular.
So if you want to keep them safe, you better get out the criminals who are also from Venezuela.
And people have been screeching.
People have been screeching very loudly about this.
So they've been trying to deport a lot of members that were rounded up.
It was something like 230-something members.
And they have been facing issues and pushback because of this.
The powerful multinational crime group, which Trump declared a foreign terrorist organization, has been accused of sex trafficking.
Drug smuggling and murders both at home and in major US cities.
One of their favourite things to do is bury people alive.
So, presumably, leftists will look at that and say, like, no, he's just like the bugs from Starship Troopers.
Don't you understand?
You're the bad guys.
Let them suck you.
Let them bury you alive.
Who cares?
My media literacy isn't kicking in at the moment.
Yeah, clearly, I left my media literacy award at home today, sadly, so I'm just a bigot now.
But many of the deportees do not have US criminal records.
Not US criminal records.
Oh, well, then that's fine, then.
I mean, Venezuela is one of the countries that when people cross the border, apparently they're one of the countries that do not announce if the people who are crossing the border have Venezuelan criminal records.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
And that was acknowledged by an ICE official court document.
But again, if they're not supposed to be in the country in the first place, who cares?
Some relatives of the deported migrants have told the BBC that the men have been wrongly swept up in the immigration crackdown and that they are innocent.
Several other families have said that they believe the deportees were mistakenly identified as gang members because of their tattoos.
And we'll take a look at some of the tattoos that we can use to identify these people in a minute.
I've just got a gang tattoo, bro.
I don't know why you think I'm part of a gang.
It's like someone saying it's just a Buddhist swastika.
What are you talking about?
I would like to see someone try and pull that one off.
Like you go into the prison.
No, this isn't the Aryan Brotherhood.
These aren't swastikas.
What are you talking about?
A lower court had temporarily blocked the deportation of these people, ruling that the actions under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act needed further scrutiny.
If you want more information on that particular act as well, I believe Bo on Monday or Tuesday did a segment looking at the history of it because of these events.
So, please feel free to watch that segment, it's very good.
Trump has alleged that the migrants were members of the gang, conducting irregular warfare against the US, and could therefore be removed under the act.
I think there's a fair argument to be made that if foreign countries are allowing their criminal murder-rape gangs to come into your country, that yeah, that's a weird, irregular form of warfare, but...
Basically warfare.
Monday's ruling said that the challenge brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU, of course it was on behalf of the five migrants, was raised improperly in a Washington, D.C. court, not in Texas where the migrants are confined.
The U.S. Supreme Court has cleared the way for Trump to use the act, but it needs to be given the right of habeas corpus.
So in Texas, it needs to go back through the Texan court system, I believe.
While the administration is claiming the ruling is a win, the Justice Mandate...
Justice has mandated that deportees must be given a chance to challenge their removal.
Can you guess?
It was a 5-4 split, right?
Can you guess which conservative just...
Amy Coney Barrett.
Yep. Yep, she sided with the dissenters.
Of course she did.
Aaron Thomas probably wrote one single line.
Clear him out.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
It carries on to say, the notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and such manners will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in a proper venue before such removal occurs.
The only question is which court will resolve that challenge.
The ACLU has also claimed that the ruling is a huge victory, because of course it is, because it means that criminals get to stay in the US for a little while longer and that's all these kinds of civil liberty unions
It carries on to say, I mean, they were defending citizens.
and they're not defending citizens no the ACLU released a statement saying that we are disappointed that we will need to start the court process over again, no you're not
No, you're not.
In a different venue, but the critical point is the Supreme Court said individuals must be given due process to challenge their removal under this act.
Now, that just means that, fantastic, we have free reign to waste as much time as possible in all of these circumstances, which means round and round we go, but hopefully that this can get pushed through and you can start getting criminals en masse out of your country because I don't think having South American murdered rape gangs in America is a good thing.
Shocking, but that's where the ACLU and I disagree on something.
I have a radical right-wing perspective.
Murder-rape gangs are not good.
I know, right?
I know.
But here's the information where the media en masse, I've got this NBC article up because it's representative, but lots and lots of places, NBC, CNN, New York Times, all of them at the same time have gone, you can't use these tattoos to identify gang members just because all of the gang members have these same tattoos.
So let's take a little read of this.
Robert Cerner, the acting field office director of enforcement and removals at Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in a sworn declaration on Monday that officials did not solely rely on tattoos to identify the deportees as alleged gang members.
I'd imagine they did something like also say, well, you've got the tattoos.
All of your friends are also members of this gang.
Therefore, you're probably a member of this gang.
They've not released more information about what they used to identify them, but I would imagine the process was something like that.
All of your associates are gang members, you dress like them, you have the same tattoos, you're probably a gang member.
It's just such a weird coincidence as well.
It's not like it's Ethel on a bloody council estate up in Bradford or Birmingham or something.
No, no, no, no.
If a little old lady has this tattoo, I'd be like, okay, probably not.
Connected to the gang.
For some reason, she just happened to get a tattoo that looks exactly like the gang tattoo, right?
No, it's Central American migrants who are just hanging out with all of these gang members, and I just happened to have the gang tattoo too.
What a coincidence, right?
What were the odds?
Well, I've not committed any crimes that I've been caught for in the country so far.
I've not got a record yet, so there you go.
There's nothing wrong with it.
But the thing is, you would have to be an absolute moron to be like, look, okay, I know that this gang...
Identify yourself with a tattoo.
I just really like the tattoo.
I just really want a tattoo just like it.
Harry's going to have a Viking tattoo and they're not going to mix it.
Harry's going to go to El Salvador.
Sorry, no sympathy.
You're a moron.
One of my favourites was one of the articles, I think it was maybe The Independent, basically got in touch with a load of tattoo artists who were saying, wait, these are tattoos that I did.
And they were saying, Basically, well, he didn't say it was gang-related when I was giving him the tattoo.
Oh, no, shit!
So this is an interesting knife you're getting on you.
What's that do?
Like, you're going to be laying there getting a tattoo and you're just like, oh, yeah, I'm a murderer, actually.
Yeah, yeah, I just want to...
I had to murder someone.
Tattoo artist is just like, oh, that's interesting, and carries on.
I mean, come on.
Come on, how desperate do you have to get?
So, carrying on.
Family members, attorneys saying, oh, the inking's in question.
Indicate the manner.
Sports fans, or...
Family men.
Okay. They believe their clients and deported relatives were falsely accused and targeted because of their tattoos.
And it's not the case, according to Rona Rizquez, an expert on the group Trend Aragua, who authored the Spanish-language book The Gang That Revolutionized Organized Crime in Latin America.
Yeah, let's get more of those guys in.
She says, to be a member of one of these Venezuelan organizations, you don't need...
A tattoo.
You can have no tattoos and still be part of the gang.
You can also have a tattoo that members other members of the organization.
So, yeah, you don't need the tattoo to get in the gang.
It just so happens that ICE and other federal agencies in the US have noticed all of the members of this gang happen to have these tattoos, but you don't need them.
You don't need them, says Ronna Rizquez, who we're going to take her word over everybody else's.
Because law enforcement and immigration officials across the nation have linked several tattoos to them.
Stars on shoulders, crowns, firearms, grenades, trains, dice, predatory felines, gas masks, clocks, the Illuminati sign, and the jersey number 23, which basketball players including Michael Jordan and LeBron James made famous.
So that's where the sports fans, bro.
They just have firearms, grenades, trains, dice, tattoos all over them and also the 23. Mate, what family man doesn't have that tattooed all over them?
Other tattooed phrases law enforcement says
Good. Which,
yeah, if you're a rape, murder, drug gang, No sympathy, mate.
I'm really unsympathetic to that, yeah.
Yeah, and here's an example of the kind of tattoos they've been using to identify these members of the gang.
Now, this...
Salute me or shoot me.
Average family man.
Yeah. Average family man right here.
So, again, it's a shame and it's annoying that these groups, these courts, are trying to...
...block these deportations because they desperately are needed when, again, these gangs are dangerous enough that they will just go into an apartment block, take the place over, and turn it into a haven for criminals.
That's not the kind of thing that leads to a stable civilization.
That's the sort of thing that leads to, I don't know, El Salvador up until two years ago.
And that's not the kind of country you want to be living in.
So I hope that these can get put through the court properly.
I hope that these people can be taken out of the country appropriately because you don't want these in the country.
Harry, just looking at this, I see it says there amor es dolor and I just typed it and it says love is pain.
Just imagine.
Maybe they made a mistake here.
I don't know.
He's deeply Nietzschean.
That's what this is.
He's just a big philosophy fan.
So it says, love is pain.
Salute me or shoot me.
Love for the dead.
You've got the crown on there.
You've got dollar signs.
M-O-B, whatever that means.
Another crown.
Money mob.
That's what it means.
Oh, yeah.
Mob. Stupid.
I just assumed that it was an initials for something.
But yeah, I look at this guy...
I'm walking down the street.
This guy, presumably topless, is walking along.
I'm crossing.
I'm getting to the other side of the road because this guy is obviously a criminal.
It's the same thing they tried to do with MS-13 just because they have a tattoo on them that says Rape, Murder, Kill doesn't mean that they're a gang member.
Yes, they're obviously gang members.
I can see why leftists are falling for it because if he's wearing clothes, only love is pain is going to show.
So they think he has a sensitive side.
They think he's a poet.
Yeah. Anyway, there you go.
We've got one rumble rant through from BaldEagle1787 saying the biggest obstacles for Trump are mayors and governors refusing to aid deportations and rogue judges.
Anything regarding numbers from Biden's admin are suspect at best.
I wouldn't even necessarily distrust the numbers from Biden.
It's just a lot easier when you've got the whole system already working for you and are letting millions of people through every year that you can just kick straight back out again to pump the numbers up.
Let's go to the video comments.
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I knew that somehow you'd turn me disparaging Netflix shows into an advertising opportunity, but you know, take everything you can get, man.
I respect it.
Incorrigible Frog says, just upgraded to Gold Tier, lads.
Thank you for coming aboard.
Expect video comments from the second city of the Empire, that of course being Glasgow.
Cheers for what you're doing.
Man, I am looking forward to video comments from Glasgow.
That's going to be a good thing.
Please just do an IRL walking through the street of Glasgow.
I've never been to Glasgow.
I went to Glasgow and it was okay about five years ago.
It was okay, but I wasn't there for very long.
I've been to Edinburgh a few times.
Edinburgh's nice.
That's a lovely city.
We got another rant from Dragon Lady Chris saying, let's see if I have this straight.
Gang members can't be judged on the basis of tattoos, but Pete Hegseth can.
Have I got this right?
Yes. Omar says, I don't think politicians believe there are media psyops about Trump being an unreasonable psychopath, but they are incredibly risk-averse.
Even if they know it's a bluff or a power play, none of them want to gamble with the Don.
He's too unpredictable and keeps his real cards close to his chest.
To be honest with you, I mean, yeah, it seems that Trump's just telegraphing exactly what he's doing, very clearly.
Just like, look, just be friends and we're not going to punish you.
See, the White House...
Twitter feed.
It's like, stop resisting or you'll be fine.
It's like, Jesus Christ.
Sounds like something Bain would say from Dark Knight.
Right? It's crazy.
But the point is, I think Trump is telegraphing his intentions pretty clearly.
He just wants to screw China.
Yeah, okay.
Jimbo says, whatever you think of the Trump tariffs, he believes he has the mandate of heaven at this point, and that probably actually isn't a good thing in real terms.
I don't know, man.
I mean, I guess we'll see, right?
Like, it's been less than a week.
So I'm looking forward to seeing what actually happens from all of this.
Yankee from two weeks ahead says, I've long viewed the tariffs as a way to isolate China, and that there is a need to return them to another century of shame.
Yeah, I mean, Trump seems to have been completely clear about wanting to isolate China for a long time, so I don't know why we would think that he's walking that back.
Durgini says, When Trump tried to negotiate with other countries before making policy, they dragged their feet, whined and complained, and nothing got done.
Now they have come to the table because they want a deal.
Because he created a game state where the bureaucratic slowness and petty government's results in an unfavorable deal.
This is a very clever and is much more honest form of negotiation.
Yeah, that's another thing as well.
Trump has asked nicely for all of the partners to do various things.
And now he's just telling them.
I'm not even against that.
Whip them into gear.
Make them actually do something.
Because... He's completely right.
The sort of bureaucratic inertia will make it so that nothing ever happens.
And he obviously wants something to happen.
Matt says, trading short-term success for long-term success is the exact kind of attitude we've been severely lacking in the West for the better part of a century.
And my God, isn't that true?
That's just democracy.
Yeah, it's insufferable.
Furious Dan says, if I hear right, Trump's blanket 10% tariffs are still in place, which feels like the textbook big ask strategy.
Though ultimately I'm torn, since I know of small US businesses that are suddenly in dire straits when the original tariffs were announced.
Yes, as with Brexit, as with all these things, I think it will be painful.
And unfortunately, it looks like there's no other choice.
Nervar says, reiterating tariffs are an unfortunate necessity.
This is a solution to a problem that should have been solved three decades ago and for which no resolution taken today will be painless.
This is worth it.
Yeah, that seems to be the consensus from people who are not like Benny Johnson defiant types and people who are pathologically against Trump.
Eric says, Jess is just mad because I'm not reading that.
Jimbo says, Jess is one of those accelerationist feminists who personally benefits from an increase in depravity towards women because it vindicates her view of men as a class.
Well, what they like to do is they love demographics.
On gender lines.
And they love to split demographics up on gender lines.
No other metrics.
Yeah, not allowed any other metrics.
A somewhere person says, I get fed up of the no U-turns allowed trap in politics.
If someone does something people don't like, they're slated.
If they reverse that move, the same people will bash them for caving or taking a U-turn.
There's no pleasing them, why even try to?
On the actual terrorist perspective, pausing them makes sense regardless of the economic position of the US that day.
If someone wants to negotiate, why keep hammering them until the deals are thrashed out?
It's a case of rewarding the behaviour that you want to see.
Yeah, that's how I interpreted it as well.
I saw, again, the midwits over at the newsagents being like, oh, he's caved, he's caved, it's the weakest thing.
It's like, yeah, but if they all came begging for a negotiation, then yeah, you can suspend it.
Why wouldn't you?
I mean, to be fair to Stelios, Stelios said that he thought that they caved, but said that it's a good thing that he's actually able to respond to that kind of pressure himself.
No, I said that he caved after he saw what happened in the bond market.
Yes. Yeah, and I'm saying, if I remember, you said that that's a good thing.
It's a good thing if someone is sensitive to what's happening around him.
Goblin says, On the plus side, I guess it means less than four years of having to hear about Jess Phillips.
She'll probably stand down before 2029, save the humiliation, and then she'll probably get a job.
I hope she doesn't.
I hope she doesn't.
She's too proud.
I hope we get some amazing clips of her in 2029 as she's getting great replaced.
How she responds.
A wise person would say, okay, this has become untenable, and I should make appropriate arrangements to parachute myself out of it.
Or perhaps an inquiry should be made.
Oh, maybe.
Ten years from now.
Or maybe just importing a billion Muslims to replace your voters in your constituency wasn't a good idea.
But I don't feel that she's wise.
Would you imagine if she tried to pander to them and starts coming out?
Well, she is.
Well, no, even more.
Even more like...
Full-on humiliation ritual style.
Comes out in a hijab.
Yeah. Comes out in a hijab, starts trying to recite prayer to them.
I think that'd be amazing.
Comes out and starts singing.
Islamic songs.
I went on our immigration today on Reddit, and there's lots of immigrants on there complaining about them or their families being deported by ICE.
Seems that they're winning on that front.
Well, that's good.
I think the important thing, and this is what the Border Crossing show is, the chill effect.
Okay, even if you're physically not removing that many, the fact that the rest of them are like, oh no, they are actually trying to get rid of us now, okay, we're not going to bother, is worth its weight in gold.
Hector says, Trump used that CBP app to tell all 950,000 illegals their status was revoked and to self-deport.
A good start.
That is a good start.
Arizona Desert Rat says, There have been fewer people trying to cross the border illegally since Trump has been in office.
There have also been people voluntarily deporting themselves.
Yeah, I know.
That's good.
That's absolutely fantastic.
People who...
Taking advantage.
We'll go.
The funny thing is I covered that New York Times article right before the beginning of the year I think it was where they were talking about all of these people who were going to be threatened by Donald Trump by the fact that he didn't want them sending all of their remittances back as well because he's like well if you're earning money in America spend it in America.
And they're all such great nationalists for their home countries.
They all have such great lives and so many friends and family in their home countries.
They all have earned so much that they basically have Yeah,
I mean, they literally could live like kings.
And I don't know why they don't.
But, you know what, the next comment is...
On the Pakistani subreddit, I didn't realise there was a Pakistani subreddit.
I'm going to have to go look this up after the podcast.
There are posts dissuading other Pakistanis from moving to the UK.
See, I told you, writing them letters was a good idea.
One user said that the Pakistanis in Birmingham were possibly the most backward and possibly the most conservative community I've ever seen.
Trash everywhere and not a woman in sight because obviously they must have been trapped in their homes.
Ending with, it's such a bad combination of all the worst parts of Pakistani societies into one city.
If the other Pakistanis see the Pakistanis in Britain as bad, then we really have problems.
Don't worry, you don't need so many screenshots.
I'm going to give them.
Right, right.
This is amazing.
Which one of you has started an account calling yourself a Pakistani on Reddit and started posting demoralization propaganda to their subreddit?
Which I know it was one of you.
And good job.
Good work.
It's like the guy who posts, who signs up to the transgender subreddit and then posts pictures of...
Post pictures of real women?
real women and say, look how good I look after the operation.
Oh, that's brutal.
That's harsh.
That's harsh.
I mean, I believe that that is true because we've had lots of Islamic countries basically laughing at us going, yeah, keep taking our filth, please.
Roman Observer says, In the modern age, invaders wear the mask of immigrants and refugees, like their own foreign representatives when they occupy constituencies, use organised crime to control their colonies as feudal lords.
Yeah. They literally operate slave markets and slavery in Leicester East.
It was less south.
I can't remember which one it was.
Arizona Desert Rat says, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a chicken.
Nick says, I have a flaming skull brandishing two pistols on my forearm.
Never been in a gang and I'm a family man.
Also volunteer at EMT in a bush fire brigade.
Upstanding gentleman if I do say so myself.
Yeah, but it doesn't say murder, kill, rape in Spanish, right?
It doesn't say MS-13.
And all of your friends don't happen to be violent gang members with the same tattoos as well, do they?
Or do they, Nick?
Well, yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
Nick didn't say either way, did he there?
True. Omar says, don't judge the criminal gang member by his cover.
That's mean.
Also, pay for our ancestral crimes, white oppressor.
Yeah, exactly right.
Oh, you're just blanket suggesting that Central American or South American guys who've got a bunch of really spicy tattoos are all just gang members?
Pay my reparations.
It's like, shut up.
You're collectively judging us.
We are going to collectively judge you, and ultimately, the collective judgment on us is demeaning, but our collective judgment on you saves lives.
Our collective judgment is coming from, well, we can obviously see that you're all criminals when you're part of an actual criminal gang.
Yours is just like, oh, you're just trying to live your life?
Give me money.
It's a form of sophisticated begging, which is annoying, but it doesn't hurt anything.
If we don't collectively judge you, people get murdered.
So, actually, sorry.
And again, it mostly seems to be Venezuelans themselves who get murdered by these people.
Again, El Salvador, in El Salvador, it wasn't random foreigners MS-13 was killing, it was other El Salvadorian citizens.
Weirdly, it's about proximity.
Yeah. They didn't import a bunch of foreigners to kill.
They killed whoever was closest.
That would be like Roman Colosseum stuff.
Yeah, no, it literally would.
Chase says, if the Labour Party was to be observed under a grand microscope, it would be diagnosed as malignant and rightly blasted with radiation until it was dead.
That's too mean for our rock-enjoyer liberals.
Yeah, no, it's kind of insufferable how the Labour Party has so clearly the problem.
And have been the problem for such a long time, at least since 1997, when it comes to the importation of foreigners.
Honestly, it's just kind of gratifying to watch it come back and bite them in the arse.
I love the idea that West Street and Jess Phillips are going to lose their seats.
There are going to be a bunch of others, too.
I just didn't have time to look them up.
But they'll come up as these things get worse.
Polls will come out where it'll be like, yeah, 40% of this new cabinet...
Because, I mean, these are cabinet members as well.
This is the government.
These are government ministers who are going to get great replaced out of their seats.
And Wes Streeting is an out-and-out Blairite as well, heavily associated with the man.
So I can imagine Blair just head-in-hands watching his own guys get...
Nuked by his own policies?
Get nuked by his policies, going like, oh, we need to send them back.
We need to send them back.
You know, if Blair was dictator of the country, he would reverse most of his policies.
Yeah, he probably would.
He'd go with the digital ID, he'd carry on with all the technocratic stuff, but he'd probably reverse a lot of it.
Well, Keir Starmer is actively at war with the Blairite establishment at this point.
He's like, no, I need to be able to do these things, and they're like, you don't get to.
This is what your party did to your government.
It's like, oh, great.
Yeah, I mean, Blair's a...
Blair's evil, but he's an evil pragmatist, whereas Starmer is a weird robot that's been programmed to do everything wrong.
Weird globalist idealist.
Anyway, we're out of time on that, so thanks for joining us, folks.