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March 21, 2025 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1126
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You've made it.
It's the end of the week.
Thank God.
Today I'm joined by Leo Kers.
Thank you for joining me, Leo.
Hello. And former UKIP MEP Stephen Wolfe.
Stephen, thank you so much for coming on.
No pleasure.
My pleasure.
And right, so today we're going to be talking about how Nigel Farage has lied about Rupert Lowe, how Britain is remilitarizing.
Are we getting conscripted?
Well, we might be a bit too old, but if you're aged 18 to 28, then get ready, pack your bags.
I'm not sure if they've increased pensions, they're going to take us up to pension age, I think.
Well, yeah, in Ukraine it's like pretty much anybody.
And we're also going to be talking about how the British establishment seems to be declaring war on young white boys in Britain.
Which is wonderful.
But before we go on, there is, of course, Lads Hour afterwards, where we're going to be talking about school days.
What was it like at school for the load-seaters?
Some of us are quite old, so things were a lot different.
But anyway, let's begin.
So, Nigel Farage, as you may remember, kicked Rupert Lowe out of reform on the allegation that he, or his office, had been involved in two bullying scandals and that he personally had threatened Zia Yusuf.
Rupert Lowe, of course, denies all of this, and two of the allegations have already evaporated into smoke, with the people alleged to have been alleging them rescinding their allegations, and the allegations weren't even against Lowe himself.
And so this has left reform looking, frankly, strangely dishonest.
This has all come to nothing, and recently the BBC have actually published a series of text messages or WhatsApp messages that reveal Well, this was not what it was about.
But we'll get into that very shortly.
Before we do, go and get your copy of Islander if you're in the United States only, because it's been sold out everywhere but the US.
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Anyway, right, so let's...
Begin at the beginning, just to re-summarize everything.
You may remember Nigel Farage wrote this article in The Telegraph, saying, nope, reformers acted responsibly of Rupert Lowe because the allegation is the evidence, as far as Nigel is concerned.
If anyone lays an allegation against you, well, you're as guilty as guilty can be.
Quite Soviet in that way, actually.
Therefore, Lowe was kicked out of the party.
He says, we must wait and see what the findings of the parliamentary authorities reach, and hear what the KC has to say about this.
And I said, okay, that's not what this is about, is it?
Richard Tice went on TV and BBC, and he told Laura Kusenberg, if I can just scroll down to the...
So you see there.
He told Laura Kusenberg that there was, quote, absolutely no truths in the claim of a connection between Lowe's comments on Thursday, which is Rupert Lowe, sorry, I should have mentioned, had said in an interview with the Daily Mail that Farage is a sort of messiah figure and reform is not run democratically and doesn't have a shadow front bench.
So if it were to take government, we don't really know who they would choose and it looks like they might have some serious problems actually running a government.
These are, in my opinion, We've had anxieties for some time about Rupert Lowe,
which I find hard to believe, because he's a 67-year-old gentleman.
Probably isn't beating up many people.
And there's absolutely no truth that there's a connection between Rupert Lowe's comments and the allegations emerging the next day.
And Nigel Farage recently went on Julian Hartley Brewer to go on the attack and decide, no, Rupert Lowe is in fact a radical extremist whose opinions are unreflective of the British public.
Why he would say this is kind of up in the air, because when polled, 67% of the British public think that illegal immigrants...
Just need to go home.
And that includes 52% of Liberal Democrat supporters.
Even the wettest people in the country are like, well, yeah, obviously the illegals shouldn't be here.
Some of the wettest people in the country are the illegal immigrants because they're weighed ashore.
Good point.
And so this is me setting up this remarkable series of revelations.
And we're going to go through the BBC article because it's interesting.
I have also been in contact with the person who is the origin point of these messages to confirm that the BBC are not lying.
And for once they're not lying, which I found remarkable.
They say a series of messages between Farage and someone who worked for Lowe in recent years, they of course keep the man's anonymity, but I know who he is and I have spoken to him, reveals Farage's personal anger with Lowe about the comments of the Daily Mail.
And so we'll just scroll down and see the actual exchange so you can...
Can we make this a bit smaller?
It's a bit too big.
But, right, so in one message, Farage says Lowe is contemptible.
When asked by the activist who is currently not a party member why reform had not allowed a lawyer to complete the investigation for suspending Farage, Farage says because he is damaging the party just before elections.
Disgusting. And when it was suggested the investigation to Lowe was a response to his criticism of the leadership, Farage replies in a different set of tweets, Where was I?
We are definitely damaged and within two weeks of nominations, awful.
Farage went on to say the mail issue was a side issue and the party had investigated the claims against Lo, but the messages reveal a level of animosity between the MP and his team and the Reform UK leadership, alongside the claims about his behaviour, which of course Lo denies.
So, I mean, it seems that Nigel Farage has taken this very personally.
But it also sounds as though there's more going on than we're sort of aware of or being told about.
I mean, and I can see Farage's point that, you know, he's almost like the, you know, the analogy of carrying a vase across the polished floor and you don't want to slip and drop the vase.
You know, Reform are outpolling Labour and the Tories in a lot of polls.
So to have this sort of maverick...
Firebrand member of your party come out and make these statements that can be...
I mean, why use the word Messiah?
That's an obviously...
It's not the first time that he's been called a messiah.
Patrick O'Flynn wrote a similar article in 2015, I think it was, and the same sort of language, 2015-16.
Farage came out fighting in the same way that he's discussing before elections.
There's always going to be elections.
The point about this is that in the general scheme of politics, this sort of issue would have been picked up by the BBC and Sky.
Internal fight.
He's a messiah.
Used against Nigel for a week or two and then would have faded away.
This is a deeper, deeper crisis for Nigel's own confidence.
And these WhatsApp messages actually are the nail in the coffin of his own honesty.
Because it shows that the strategy to get rid of Rupert was dishonest.
It was about saying that these allegations, already shown to be not true, that we'll have an investigation parliamentary.
Not true.
This is all about being up front, protecting the party's image from someone who is a bully, who's threatening.
But actually, what this shows, and what we know about the Elon Musk tweet about Rupert Lowe, is this about Nigel feeling weakened in himself, in his own character.
And that's one of his biggest flaws.
He could not allow a man that was seen to be more popular...
And had a standing ovation at a conference that was longer than his.
He just could not allow that to happen.
And that egotism, that kind of narcissism, some people say whether that's true or not.
I'm not a medical expert to be able to say that.
But what I would say is that the history of the way that he's dealt with people who have quality or capabilities within his party is that of someone who's generally frightened of being able to engage and work as a team.
And only ever wants to be seen as number one.
This is the proof.
And I think it's only made the whole situation worse.
It's dragged it out.
It's damaged the party much more than a few comments have.
Do you think it'll actually damage the party's chances with the electorate?
Because, I mean, a whole bunch of people...
If you look at the polls of, like, you know, who's aware of members of reform?
You know, Farage...
Rupert Lowe gets huge name recognition.
It's not all good.
99%. Everybody knows who he is, even if they don't like him.
Whereas Rupert Lowe, even though...
I'm a sort of perpetually online right-wing person, so obviously I know who he is.
I think he's great.
And Richard Tice as well.
Low and Tice don't get anywhere near the same sort of figures.
No, they don't.
And it's a very important and valid point that you raise about name recognition, which is why Farage wanted to cleanse himself.
I heard conversations way back in 2014 after the general election when UKIP got three and a half million people that Nigel had to step back to cleanse himself from the brand.
He was seen too much as a racist.
That's why we're...
We can't get you onto TV in America yet until you're seen to be cleansed.
Eventually, this cleansing led him to being in the jungle where he seemed to be really quite a nice kind.
Man, this is actually showing him on the other side of what his real character is.
But people can expect this at the top level of politics.
It's not going to be like running a pet shop.
It's going to be people doing a bit of shenanigans and Machiavellian...
Absolutely get that.
It's one thing doing some shenanigans and Machiavellian manoeuvring, but it's another thing having a track record of personal destruction of people.
Nigel Farage has clearly been...
At the nexus of a group of people who have engaged in not just reputational destruction.
Reputational destruction is something that's actually relatively easy to fight against.
You can broadcast your own arguments.
But it's the personal interference in people's lives, trying to ruin their relationships, trying to ruin their businesses, trying to...
In the case of Rupert Lowe, reporting him to the police over these false allegations, which theoretically could have landed him in jail.
This goes far beyond the sort of political maneuverings of, oh, well, he's a crap politician and therefore we'll deselect him or something, which I would be completely, you know, totally fine with.
This is a darker layer.
And I think this is why it's really hurting more, which is why you're looking it into his face when you see him on the interviews.
He's tetchy, he's not being able to be affable about it.
And going to your point, you're right.
I do think at the moment there is no real push through to the general public because during the campaigns that we had for Brexit, there was a sensation of hope.
People were coming out clapping and campaigning because we really thought there was a real malleable change coming into this country.
The Brexit argument.
What they're seeing now, having seen the Conservative parties effectively destroy the opportunities of Brexit, the Labour Party destroying the opportunities of life in this country, is their now desperation.
They're clinging onto their fingertips of hope that somebody could achieve this.
This isn't about hope and positivity.
This is the negativity.
And they're sticking with reform at the moment because they're going, well, Nigel's done it before, maybe he really means it.
The damage is within his own political party.
I think the strategic thought process at the top, having sitting meetings like this, is that they're saying, look, Lowe's going to go away.
It's just a fight.
No one really knows him because they don't have name recognition.
We can get the money coming in.
We can push the polling.
That'll get people to join us because of the belief that they'll get an MP's seat.
We've done that with Brexit.
Although we took away their opportunities in a deal that we were going to do.
And we don't really need to care about the workers, the general members, who are doing all the hard work.
But now you're seeing the Isle of Wight last night, its branch collapsing.
Another branch the day before collapsing.
They're making a mistake in that the people who do the work, they're delivering the leaflets.
Knocking on your neighbours.
The persuasive arguments in a coffee shop or in the pub that Farage isn't a racist, reform isn't racist party, are going.
And so they're going to limit that opportunity.
And if you're just simply going for those who are depressed and hopefully clinging on for desperation, you're going to get that to a certain level.
But come along somebody who is the John F. Kennedy of our time.
Unknown. On the radio.
Nixon was seen on the radio as being the best guy, but once he got him on television, he was looked better.
If with the right backing, if with the right amount of money, then you get onto social media like this, then who's going to win?
The new, positive, energetic person who is going to bring hope to our country, or the guy that now is linked with desperation?
There's another deeper issue as well, which is...
The social media ecosphere is far more, not larger, but far more self-aware now.
The online right, as it's being frequently called by people who denigrate us, is far better connected than it ever was.
So in, say, 2014 or 2015 or 2016, when this kind of thing happened and a person's life was attacked by this cabal of people, They could scramble for purchase on and grab hold of to try and fight back.
And I think that actually in 2025, this is a genuine nexus.
That has actual persuasive power.
And moreover, Rupert Lowe seems to have just been the worst guy to do this to.
Yeah. He's everyone's favourite granddad.
He's their member of the family.
He's the sort of person that you just want to go and watch for.
I've just been in Southampton on the football.
Everyone is chanting his name when you get down there, to be honest.
Fans of football, but not necessarily fans of politics.
The BBC went to Great Yarmouth, and they went around interviewing people on the streets, and they had nothing but praise for Rupert Lowe.
And it was, oh, he's the best MP we've ever had.
He actually did something for us, and he gives his salary away to us.
It's like, okay, he's kind of like Boomer Jesus.
What's happening?
That's Dan's formulation for him, but I think it's a really good one, because you found the one politician who seems to be unimpeachable.
Like, you found the one politician who's actually not corrupt and is actually doing the job.
I mean, look at Rupert and those contributions with the written notes in Parliament.
950 or so compared to Nigel Farage's 20. He's doing the work.
And so this seems to have been essentially that kind of immovable object that Farage has hammered against.
And everyone's like, no, enough.
We're not having this.
Nigel's attempt at doing the work has seemed to be encapsulated in three areas.
One is the GB News TV in the hope that he persuades more people.
To come into reform through his channel.
The second is flying backwards and forwards to America to see those on the right and the Trumpists with hugely expensive flights that we seem to have seen over the last few days that he does that.
And the other is he's talking to donors.
And all of them is seeming like they're high end.
It's nice dinners.
It's nice trips away.
All of that is way away from what's happening on the ground.
Where people in the Isle of Wight are asking for information on how to campaign.
How can we challenge specific issues?
Rupert, on the other hand, was engaged.
He was talking to them.
Ben, or I should be for that, Ben Habib, was often seen around the country talking to different constituents, finding out what their issues were, trying to find a solution so that the ground team was out there.
There is an importance to the top-end media team.
I get that.
That's really, really valuable.
And that's why you need name recognition.
But if you don't keep your members happy, if you don't keep them also working hard, and all it is, is I'll come up and do a great speech at some conference somewhere where you've got to pay 25 quid or 50 quid to come and say, hail Nigel.
Then, sorry, I shouldn't say hello Nigel, I should say really, rather than that.
I don't want to get caught in trouble by others, but I don't mean it in that sense, not that he's that person, but I do mean that he is like, hail actually in the Caesar situation.
Let's put it in those contexts.
So this is another issue where you bring up the brand recognition thing.
I'm kind of tired of this argument because I think this is as much a lodestone around someone's neck as it is a benefit.
Because as you said, everyone knows who Nigel Farage is, but when you look at his approval ratings, it's about 33% actually like him, but it's 67% absolutely despise him.
Yeah, and for a long time people have said that there's a ceiling.
Well, that's what I was saying the other day, yeah.
And so...
I mean, what Nigel is essentially waiting for is just the collapse of his enemies, of his opponents.
I shouldn't say enemies.
I don't know if he has enemies with them.
That's the British political way.
Don't succeed yourself.
Yeah, yeah, don't win.
That's the uni-party way.
Don't say anything.
Just please.
Open my mouth.
No, no.
Keir, no open my mouth, Starmer.
The point being is, who knew who Keir Starmer was before he became the leader of the Labour Party?
Absolutely. Nobody did.
Who knew who Keir Starmer was before she became the leader of the Conservative Party?
Nobody did.
And so, actually...
We don't choose our political leaders based on fame, because otherwise the cast of Love Island would be running the country.
And to be honest with you, that would probably be better than what we've got, let's be honest.
But the point being, we try to select for merits, right?
The person isn't famous and then becomes the leader of the party.
They become famous after being the leader of the party.
And so that's an argument I just want to dispose of.
It doesn't matter.
In fact, the brown recognition might be a bad thing.
And in some ways, this is when you look at what happens in the United States.
Okay, we've seen movies and films about it, but the reality is the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are doing a number of things.
One is they're going through universities and colleges, looking at who are the face, the image, the words, the language that people are using to see if they are the future.
That's where they picked Obama up when he was there.
When he was at Yale.
It's not where they got Biden, though.
Biden, I think, slipped very, very slowly.
To be honest.
But then we got the other opportunity is they're always going senators.
Are they going to be any good?
Governors. Generally, they look at governors.
And they're looking at face.
They're looking, are they well-recognized in their area?
Not nationally.
And so they know that they've got to pick them up and build them over a period of time.
That's about planning.
Careful planning for the future.
Trump did that after he went out.
He chose his team much more selectively.
He was careful about who was coming in.
The point about Nigel is he's not doing that.
He's not looking at anybody else and saying, they could sit alongside me.
The second really important point about politics and images and having individuals with name recognition is about having people who have different voices.
We've heard it okay with the DEI.
Diversity issue.
Let's have a woman.
Let's have someone who's gay.
Let's have someone who's black.
Let's have a woman who's Muslim.
All the political parties are doing that.
The reason is they want to reach out to a different electorate.
Again, Nigel's not done that.
Zia. Oh, ever-popular Zia.
Everyone loves Zia, don't they?
This is another point.
The people he's surrounded with aren't exactly the most charming people in the world.
The natural constituency of Richard Tice, I imagine, is quite small.
The people who actually like Richard Tice.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Tice.
It's just he's not Mr. Charisma.
And, you know, when you see Richard Tice on TV, you're not thinking, right, I want that guy in charge.
Zee Youssef, again, a bit of a charisma vacuum.
Again, the problem that you can see that Nigel's had with Rupert Lowe is Rupert Lowe's very likeable.
Very likeable.
Because he's been in public life for a long time as the manager of Southampton, he's given many a speech.
He can speak, and he can do it well.
But anyway, I wanted to go on to the next part of this that I found interesting, which is this, Nigel's, he's damaging the party just before elections.
Now, I don't agree that constructive criticism of what you will need to do to form a government is damaging the party.
And Rupert Lowe made it clear that, look, I've been trying to have these conversations privately with Nigel.
For months and he had just simply never responded, which is very peculiar since you've got five MPs.
You can't really think of an excuse why I can't talk to that one.
No, it must be a personal issue, and I think that you're absolutely right when it comes to the Elon Musk putting a light on him and him getting the standing ovation.
So really, Elon Musk has screwed up.
The American right, Donald Trump winning the election, has been the worst thing for the right in Britain and Europe.
It's not over.
We've got four more years of this.
And this is another argument where you can't vote for a new party.
You've got to go for an established party, like the Reform Party, which was officially incorporated in 2021.
That's a new party.
That's an argument that goes away as well.
If it took them four years to get to this point, well, we could be in the same point with a different party.
So that's not good enough either.
But the issue here is he's damaging the party.
Now, I want to know what the evidence of that is.
Because this seems to be a very fragile perspective from Nigel Farage.
Because, I mean, he's also bragging that they're at 27% in the polls.
This is the point I was going to pick up for yourself.
Why is he so paranoid about any kind of public-facing constructive criticism or dialogue?
Why does he think that his party needs to be run along Soviet lines, where every single person says exactly the same thing, whatever the dear leader is saying, and have no personality of their own?
Because it just doesn't seem to bear out.
He seems to be wrong on this point.
I take it from what you were saying about name recognition.
Important. And then you also said that it's not really having a massive dip in the polls.
And we've got that and his performance there at 27%.
So that comes to the question then.
If you are all being so successful, it's not having a dip.
The criticism didn't have any impact at all.
You weren't damaging the party.
Who was it damaging?
It's damaging the relationship between you and me as...
Dear Leader, instead of having the Red Book, then we've got something like Blue and White Book.
Well, I guess I go back to the point about carrying that vase.
He doesn't want any dissent in the party.
He doesn't want it to descend into this internal fighting.
I know it didn't play out like that.
Yeah, that worked.
How many vases have gone now?
Literally tens of us have gone as well.
What is another strange thing, though, is that he's learned nothing from Donald Trump.
He's learned nothing.
Because, I mean, Donald Trump came through the Republican Party like a bull in a china shop.
I mean, the Republican debates, primary debates, back in 2015, 2016, whenever it was, they're some of the best television you've ever seen.
Fabulous. Absolutely fabulous.
Oh, it's little Marco Rubio, who's now the Home Secretary or something.
Ministry of Defenses.
Yeah, and he's going off about Ted Cruz.
I mean, literally, he just basically bullied every single one of them to explain to them, no, I'm going to do this, and he won.
And then, okay, he lost in 2020, but now he's back again, and now he's really serious.
So the idea that discord is something that, oh, the electorate will just turn away and you'll never win anything, no, in fact, it's not true, and it would be a lot easier if other people were taking the flack, frankly, for Nigel, I think.
Well, he didn't really like J.D. Vance initially.
J.D. Vance didn't like him.
Didn't like him.
I mean, in a sense, you also have, there were a couple of statements from Kennedy.
That criticized Trump at different times.
The capability of a real leader is recognizing that I've got a certain level of skill, that I need to build a team of people who I think are brilliant at what they do, much better than me in some areas or in other areas.
But if I can gel them together along the whole idea, whether it's called the MAGA, whether it's called Trumpism, whatever that idea is, or make America great, I think really is what...
They're all coming behind.
Then you can bring in people you've disagreed with.
And actually they end up being much more magnanimous.
Look at the way J.D. Vance now supports Trump.
Went after Zelensky the moment there was an inch of criticism.
I'm not standing for this.
That's real loyalty.
That's politics.
That's J.D. Vance not really having principle and not being a...
A conviction politician.
He's flopping and changing.
I think there's more to it than that.
Maybe he's become more convicted.
But the RFK one, I think, is a great example.
Because RFK had about 5% of the vote on the Democrat side.
And so Trump folding him into the MAGA movement means that's 5% more for Trump.
And this is what Nigel Francis failed to understand.
And I saw you on New Culture Forum the other day saying, look, there's a huge amount of right-wing talent in the UK that's just not being tapped.
And it's so crazy how Nigel is just leaving this all on the table, because these are more people who can...
Spread the message.
Instead of that, he's looking to Greens, Liberal Democrats, and people that he's...
He's basically saying, I would have not got my seat anyway in the party that I was with.
I'll come and join you.
That's political opportunitism.
Britain's a hugely different country to America.
I mean, in America, people still have positivity and they love their country, whereas Britain...
British people are, you know, apart from a sort of small coterie of people on the right, most people in Britain are just cucked and broken and they've had...
Decades of indoctrination into loathing their country, loathing themselves, having everything deconstructed and broken down, any sense of family or unity.
So you can't sort of...
Trump wouldn't do well in the UK.
No, Trump wouldn't because he's American, right?
No, no, I mean it.
I mean it.
There's something...
Have you heard Trump's English accent?
I have not, actually.
Still sounds American.
A British Trump would not sound like Donald Trump.
But the issue that Donald Trump really wins on is his repudiation of the establishment.
He doesn't look for the approval of the media.
He doesn't look for the approval of the rival parties.
He doesn't look for the approval of professors, activists.
No, I'm doing this.
We're building the goddamn wall.
Rupert Lowe is cut in the same mold.
That's why Elon Musk was like, Farage isn't the guy.
Because he was bending the knee to the media and the establishment.
Whereas Rupert Lowe was like, no, I make no apologies.
But also take a look across into Europe.
Marie Le Pen.
Vilified, not only by her own country, but vilified by Nigel Farage, where we are.
2014, effectively the two biggest parties of the right.
Opportunity to unify both those parties.
But the deal would have been done is that Marie and Nigel would have shared 50-50 of the power and 50-50 of the speeches on the front desk.
Nigel wasn't going to have that.
He turned around and said she's too radical, she's too extreme.
Well, this extreme person has managed to transform her party, have the clever foresight to bring in younger people in the same way, and has just magnified her power and influence across France, which was an even more difficult way of winning power than it is in the UK.
Although, ironically, some of her success has been by using the tactic of pushing away things that are seen as too far right.
So the AFD, she refuses to work with them?
Yes, I mean, that's an oddity that's happening in the European Parliament, although there is an understanding that actually that might have been a planned strategy that they've done, because also you have the AFD, a woman who is lesbian married to someone of a different colour and a different country and different nationality.
Like most right-wing people.
Absolutely, lots of ways.
And she too has managed to solidify her political party.
You can look similarly at Italy.
The only person that Nigel really wants to look at is Gert.
He's the only one he seems to admire, and yet...
That's a very extreme figure, though.
Exactly. It's so peculiar.
But he admires him because he managed to control and take everybody out.
Yes, yes.
That's why he likes it.
Wilder's rhetoric, I mean, I was like, okay, steady on.
But now he's doing very well, or he did do very well in the Netherlands.
But anyway, just to finish off this section then, this was Rupert Lowe's written statement in this.
And to go back to Rupert Lowe has been lied about, which does seem to be the...
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, Farage and his team had claimed that they had been doing this since before the interview,
which doesn't seem to be true, and that they'd sat on these allegations for about three months.
So this was, it looks to me like a calculated political hit job that was done because Rupert Lowe was popular with the base and...
Not apologetic towards the media.
And for us, I think, felt threatened by him.
And that's why this has happened.
Anyway, we've got a bunch of comments here.
Mark Arabic says, Much respect to Mr. Wolf.
Hope to see more of him and in success.
Good to see you too, Leo.
Thanks for all this, Carl.
Thank you very much.
And Mark Tashame says, Video games in the UN.
The United Nations had a discussion on Helldivist 2. Works as a fascist brainwashing program with Arrowhead CDO.
Okay, well that's a bit off topic.
That sounds interesting.
It does sound interesting.
Another show.
Caleb says, to use a different analogy, unfortunately it says that Nigel is the vapid, stereotypical Barbie instead of the lovable but flawed Ken.
That's Connor's reference, not mine.
DXTN says, UK politics is such a drama show, I love it.
Faraz should have John Bercow yell order to him every time he acts like a cult leader in that.
That's part of the problem with the right, because it's an inherently individualistic movement.
So it's full of individuals that all want their own thing and all want to be bossed, whereas the left are just a conformist blob.
This is another thing.
Fraz said, he instantly came out and said, well, Rupert Lowe wants to be the leader of the party.
Is that Rupert Lowe didn't say that?
It's just that you're so used to leading from the rear that when someone starts leading from the front, you see it as a threat.
But anyway, let's move on.
We're all getting drafted, right?
Yeah, well, your country needs you.
We're going to talk about the remilitarization of Britain now, because America has kind of abandoned Europe.
You can kind of understand why.
I mean, to be honest, you know, America having, you know, military control over the West suited America for a long time, even though they put in the majority of the funding for the military.
They reaped lots of benefits in trade and also being the reserve currency of the world and just, you know, being the daddy.
Who doesn't want to be the daddy?
Trump doesn't want to be the emperor of the world anymore.
I don't get it.
You'd think he would, after all the things I've read about him.
But yeah, so...
We're now going to have to stand on our own feet.
Kira is talking about boots on the ground in Ukraine.
He's scaled that back to air and sea protection.
Is that because the army got on the phone?
He's like, what boots?
What are you talking about?
What is it?
Dan had turned around and said, if you want 5,000, you really need 25,000 because you've got to have rotations.
Where are you going to get 25,000 from?
And someone said, OK, they're coming across on the channel every week.
We've got a few there.
I read a headline in a German paper that said that they're looking at...
Look at that.
They're looking at conscripting illegal migrants, or I think specifically Afghanistani men, which you think, oh, that's a good thing to do.
It'll get them to show their allegiance to the country and stuff.
Really what you're doing is training them up and giving them weapons.
So isn't that great an idea?
But that's what the Americans did when they went in to take on the communists.
We gave them the weapons and then came al-Qaeda.
Yeah, and you see that across the Middle East.
In Syria, you're seeing American weapons being used on both sides because various parts of the American state has funded and armed different factions at different times.
And it always seems to...
Get to Syria now and there's a little marketplace going on.
Russian guns, American guns, Russian guns!
Given the culture that we've got and what's happened in the UK over the past few decades, we're talking about it in the last section, we've got this culture of patriotism is essentially criminalised.
And we've had hundreds of thousands of people come into the country.
We're having a million people, over a million gross migration every year.
Net migration is still really high, like 700,000 as people leave.
The British dream is now to get rich enough to be able to leave Britain.
But we're having people...
Coming across the border.
So who's going to leave Britain and leave their wife and kids?
Unprotected and defenceless in the UK and then go overseas, get your legs blown off and then come back to the UK and then get locked up by Keir Starmer because you asked, you know, who raped my family?
You know what I mean?
That's literally...
Or be charged for actually trying to shoot someone on the other side.
Yeah, or that's what they're doing.
They're removing the sort of suspension of prosecution for SS troops.
Really? Yeah, so if you can serve overseas, you can be prosecuted.
You're shooting the enemy.
You're going to have some lefty human rights lawyer pick over what you did overseas when you're defending your country.
We saw what they did in Northern Ireland.
I didn't even care about it.
We've seen the cases, yes.
I campaigned, I think, way back in 2019 about one of the officers who'd been charged eight times on abuses that allegedly occurred in Iraq.
And each time he'd won, they kept on coming back for him.
So what did they want?
That's it.
All of this on human rights issues.
So on the one side, you've got them improving the human rights issues for them, but actually means challenging soldiers when they come back.
And on the other side, you're going to go away, as you say, and get your legs blown off, but not protect you.
And if you complain, throw you in prison.
The issue is very clearly.
And why they want to have conscription here is because they recognise that the country has descended in such a way where if you challenge immigration, if you watch what's going on, and you've demonised white people in particular, why would you want to defend yourself?
And let's say it is Russia.
I've heard many arguments saying, well, hang on a minute, Russia wants to close its borders to illegal migration.
It protects its Christian Judeo history.
It wants to protect all its institutions.
And we're living in a country that doesn't want to do all of that.
Would my life be that different under them if I'm poor and working class?
Because my voice would actually be heard, whereas here it wouldn't.
I mean, Russia's a sort of degenerate, mass migration, WEF, like, ultimate West country.
It's a corrupt mafia state.
China. If China invaded, you know, they're a nationalistic...
I mean, the nationalists in Russia actually fight...
On the side of Ukraine.
Because they hate Putin.
They hate what's being done to the country.
It's a federation, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A multi-ethnic federation.
It's like a kind of Slavic-EU.
Yeah. But China, I mean, you've got to look at China.
All right, they've got censorship.
Do we not have censorship in the UK?
Yeah, exactly.
What changes?
We've got ridiculous levels of censorship in the UK.
And also, the thing about China is you know what you can and can't say.
I don't have any criticism of Xi Jinping.
You don't know what you're going to get a knock on the door from the police about, you know, who come around and say, oh, yeah.
We've got freedom of speech.
And then you get hit by a non-crime hate incident.
Even if you didn't know what you said, someone from Scotland has turned around and said, you mank, I don't like what you have to say on the show today.
And suddenly the police have got you as a non-crime hate incident.
And this is really the dilemma that we've got as a country.
They have demonised our nation.
They've demonised our history.
They've been hoping to destroy our culture.
They're pulling down statues.
They've got TV shows that were going on which criticise white children in a minute.
When actually we see the opposite and then they expect you to go and fight for something that is not representative of them anymore.
I wouldn't let my sons fight for this.
No. All the time you've got guys like this coming over.
So this guy came over a couple of weeks ago.
So he's a gun-toting channel migrant who called for the slaughter of all Jews.
And he'll have, you know, human rights lawyers provided by the state to protect his rights.
And so we're supposed to leave the country while he's in the country so we can go and...
You know, it doesn't make any sense.
I think, you know, if anything, Ukraine shows that a country...
Ukraine's a fiercely sort of nationalistic, masculinist country that protects its borders.
It's got inviolable borders.
So it doesn't allow, you know, bollocks like this.
And if we move on to the next one, and we've got 50,
Why are they here?
That's an army, you know what I mean?
Why are they here?
And all they have to do is coagulate together in one particular area and cause that slow kind of destruction where we have even professors of well-recognised professors at London University suggesting we're getting close to a civil war, low-level hits.
That's an amazing thing about David Bates.
Yeah, and if you've read it, at great length as I have, it makes the analysis of what I looked when I went back to the north of England in Manchester where I was, and you look in Leeds and Birmingham and those areas.
Well, you go to places now which are predominantly poor Muslim individuals who come from different countries, but also second and third generation Pakistanis who are without work, who have that same level of no hope in there.
And they're voting for the Islamist parties, and they're going to be there radicalized in the same way that we can see in Syria.
It might not happen next year or the year after, but we are building this kind of...
Tortured country of the future.
The best Britain can really hope for is a sort of balkanisation and separate states forming within Britain.
But the worst we're going to get is all-out civil war.
I wonder, and I'm going to throw this out because I was just thinking about it in the car coming over, do you think the idea of having Starmer trying to make himself look like some sort of Joe 90 out there, you know, look at me and my padded gear out there, is the hope that by having a war against Russia, enough of us will die that we'll all get the kind of 1939...
I'm not sure.
I think the elites are just spitballing and reacting to situations.
I think the fact that...
Our economy has been a sort of Ponzi scheme for so long, and they've tried to keep it going.
Instead of doing the necessary thing, which is to cut welfare spending, cut pensions, make people work longer, that's essentially what we need to do.
It's the only thing to do.
It's the only thing to do, but obviously that's an incredibly unpopular message to put out.
So if you only need to last another four years in office, you're not going to do that.
Instead, you're going to bring in more mass migration that's going to artificially inflate GDP.
It's like throwing kindling on a fire, but you're actually making the long-term structural issues worse.
One of the issues, if you are really radical, is you have to close the borders completely.
When I wrote the paper, a fair, flexible, forward-thinking immigration paper, I showed that it was possible to run our National Health Service education with 50,000 net migration a year.
And that meant banning low-skilled immigration.
And it did mean that there would be a small hit to GDP in the first couple of years.
Oh, no, not the GDP.
Because there had to be...
Oh, no.
When we've got GDP per capita now declining rapidly, every year now we're worse off than the year before.
That change then, that radical change, would have left a million people
All of the problems are overpopulation.
All of them move.
Away. And if you can remove that body and then start deporting, if it is a million people, a million people gone from this country who are a cost to the country, would actually start to look at us saying, OK, we've still got those massive issues of debt, huge amounts of debt, but at least now the money that's coming in,
perhaps we can spread that more evenly.
It's a good start, but will we have politicians in our elites willing to take those radicals?
No. I'll take it off the disabled and I'll make the pensioners freeze to death.
That's it.
Take the land off the farmers.
Yeah, which is what communists always do.
Even as middle class schools.
Sorry, go on, carry on.
There's just so many things Keir Starmer has done that are just evil.
We've already covered some of this in the discussion we've had, but the next tab shows, so this is Matt Goodwin's analysis, so as of about getting on for a month ago, 154,000 mainly young men from Islamic nations have entered Britain illegally.
So yeah, and we saw during the Southport riots, I was just talking to one of the guys in the office, and he reminded me that...
The police were saying to the Muslim mobs, leave your weapons in the mosque.
And it's like, man, how about...
How about they don't leave the...
You know, how come...
Why don't you have some sort of amnesty where they hand in the weapons?
Wouldn't that be more reassuring?
No, no, we're going to turn the mosques into armouries.
Like, literal arsenals.
Don't get a non-crime hate incident.
Well, I mean, it was the police doing that, not me.
Well, that's the thing.
The culture has changed.
The politics have changed.
The next tab shows...
I mean, look at this news story.
There's a vile neo-Nazi group spread sick campaign of hate to Scotland's highest peak.
If we scroll down, let's see what the...
It's a sticker saying, love your nation.
I'm sure they had other stickers saying other stuff, but this is the sticker, this is the headline thing that's apparently so hateful.
So, apparently saying love your nation...
It's a hate crime.
So what am I fighting for?
People don't join the army for months.
I have an answer to this.
You are fighting for the liberal international order.
Oh, thanks.
Exactly. But that's what they all think they're protecting, right?
So everyone is treated as the same.
So, I mean, people who literally get off the boat, they need all of these extra rights.
They need all of these extra protections because they don't have a society around them that will naturally...
Accommodate them, right?
So if you go back to Scotland, you've got friends and family who will help you if you're in trouble, right?
These people, well, maybe you don't.
I like the phrase liberal international order, shortened Leo.
That's true.
But that's what they're protecting.
And so if you love your nation, well, what does that put in self-opposition to?
Well, the liberal international order.
The rules-based order is in trouble.
And frankly, Donald Trump is, the reason they think Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are the same person is because they're both the kind of man who don't agree with the international rules-based order.
And I'd fight for the liberal international rules-based order if it was what it said it was, but it's not.
It's just crappy, soft communism.
Not even a soft communism, you know what I mean?
It's just not acceptable.
The international rule-based order has been perverted from the really laudable ideas of having a UN Convention on Human Rights that dealt with those people in war, in the Second World War, were Jews being persecuted.
What they didn't say is, by the way, we're going to allow that to be extended to allow anyone who's just in any country in the world that feels that they really don't want to work there.
There'll be refugees from poverty.
We have, like, 1,200,000 people have come here since the year 2000 who've made claims for asylum.
My favourite is the one from Svalbard.
The Seed Depository.
In Svalbard, just outside of Norway.
The Norwegian island.
I don't know.
I think maybe he just said it's too cold.
Or maybe there's a polar bear that comes as a friend of him and he didn't want to get involved.
But that's it.
And the other one was that in the last year of Biden and Trump, it was like 76 Americans under Biden had sought asylum over here.
But 89 from under Trump in his last year.
So even Trump beat Biden then.
They actually get asylum based on that.
Well, the research we've got doesn't allow us, and because the freedom of information requests have failed, they don't allow us to say the applications, who's actually been rejected, who's actually been allowed in.
They give you the numbers of who here, who come, the children, all the rest of it.
They give you the numbers of the claimants.
And who's been accepted, but they don't allow you to match across.
And that's one way of hiding information.
And the whole asylum system is essentially a sort of anti-civilisational immigration system.
I mean, most people claiming asylum aren't actually fleeing war.
They might be fleeing, you know...
Often they're fleeing popular tourist destinations like Thailand.
And they return there.
Most of them return there on holiday, return to where they're fleeing.
So, you know, it can be that bad.
Quid pro quo where there's 69 people from Jamaica last year left that with 69 of us can go back.
And take over their holiday homes.
Let's move on.
Before we reconstruct the British Empire.
It should be a good idea.
Honestly, if we had a British Empire running these places, they wouldn't need to seek asylum.
Don't put a sticker, love your British Empire.
Well, this is the thing.
We want to solve migration at the source.
So that's imperialism.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We can have a conversation about it if you want.
We can turn Somalia into a productive, industrialised country.
If we look here, so this is Emily Thornberry, who's still a bigwig in the Labour Party.
If you scroll down, we see her sneering at...
Oh, yes.
England flag.
Rochester. It's going to be Rochester.
She's not even Scottish.
She's sneering at an England flag and she's English.
I mean, that just shows...
Image from Rochester.
How dare they?
That shows how the elites see any form of nationalism or patriotism.
It's disgusting.
And now those people who love their country are going to be the people...
All of a sudden you won't see people sneering at patriotism.
They're going to go, why aren't you patriotic?
I've seen that.
I've seen Dale Vince saying, oh, you should be patriotic and pay more taxes.
I prefer to show my patriotism in a different way.
But yeah, and it's cultural as well.
They're removing World War II murals because they show too many white people.
In Britain.
They were white at the time.
Yeah. That's right.
They were the white people who died for the freedom of this country.
In 1961, England was something like 98, 99% English.
So white, you know.
And something like, they did studies, I mean this is...
Sorry. We can play that.
No, we move on to that next one.
We can play this if you like, but it's basically just English people.
Are you proud to be British?
Oh, God, no.
Oh, good God, no.
No, I f***ing hate England.
This place sucks.
Yeah. No, not really, actually, no.
No. There's a horrible history behind it.
I see it all in it.
I don't like it.
The weather's awful.
The job market's terrible.
We get paid terribly.
And our accents can be annoying.
Like, Mancunians, Liverpool, A-OK.
Southern accent does my head in.
No offense.
I like where I live.
I wouldn't say I'm proud of Britain as a whole, but we're the most obnoxious s***.
Oh god, I can't stand to see that.
They are making some really good points though.
What's that about Mancunians?
Definitely not about the Mancunian accent, but the southern accent.
But yeah, you can see this messaging that starts in primary school.
And then, you know, Britain's terrible.
Horrible history.
We're the worst country in the world.
We did so many cruel things.
No, we didn't.
As empires go, we were one of the most benevolent...
You know, Genghis, he was a lovely man, wasn't he?
He just threw you into a pit with spikes.
Do you want the Arab Empire where they castrated the slaves?
You know what I mean?
It was the old days.
People were pretty barbaric.
Machu Picchu.
You don't even need to go that far back.
You look at the Spanish, man.
The Spanish were amazingly evil.
Everywhere they went.
Columbus arrives in Cuba or whatever it was.
He just, oh, I need 50 men to enslave the island.
We don't do that.
In fact, that was kind of uniquely Spanish, actually.
It's this constant, like, rapacious advance that the Spanish have.
The British are like, right, we're going to build something here.
We're going to build something here.
We're going to build something here.
Belgians and Congo.
Yeah. The Chinese with their own empires.
The Japanese.
The 500 nations.
They're bringing all the city-states in together.
All along that period is...
And we left most states in a better state than you.
When we got there.
And, you know, although later on, you know, they might have fallen apart.
I mean, look at what's happened in Zimbabwe.
You can't really blame that on Britain.
You know what I mean?
Britain's, you know, provided, you know, any assistance it can to stop it happening.
But, you know, it's inevitable in some cases.
And it's interesting you mentioned China because, you know, right now they're the rapacious colonial empire and you never see these anti-colonial Brits talking about that.
It's not about that.
It's about hatred.
It's about hatred of Britain.
Yeah. Honestly, it's about communist subversion and demoralisation.
It's straight out of the red.
100%. And it's been done by people who are communists.
And reform are banned from laying a wreath on Remembrance Day.
And yeah, there's been this huge push for DEI in the military, as there has across all government organisations and private sector organisations.
So white British students not allowed to apply for security services internship, which is ridiculous.
I used to work for DETICA, which then BAE Systems Applied Intelligence, that did a lot of intelligence work, you know, military stuff and all the rest.
We had a really genuinely diverse workforce because they were trying to get the best.
But to shut out...
White people from intelligence roles.
That's like, you know...
Well, it's illegal.
I mean, it's actively illegal.
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, it's illegal.
And also, like...
But that matters.
If you're going to pick a demographic, pick stupid people.
How about that?
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
I do see there's a 10-11 week course there that's for those of ethnic minority and from a socially economic disadvantaged background.
Obviously, as a Mancunian accent that I once had, that disadvantage, I should be able to go straight away and I'll see if the MI5 will take me.
I doubt very much because...
I believe in right-wing conservatives.
Well, yeah, you're definitely not someone who gets human rights.
You definitely will be.
And all the recruitment ads for the military were the usual sort of DEI.
So this basically has a British soldier stopping to pray for whatever it is.
Whatever Muslims do.
Not representative of the Muslim experience of the British Army, though, is it?
That's the thing.
For anyone who doesn't know, more Muslims joined ISIS than the British.
I was just going to say...
Whilst he's doing that and everybody else can actually...
He's holding his hand up saying, wait there, because someone might just shoot him any moment.
Because whilst we're keeping quiet, not watching the enemy, that's what's happening.
That's the thing.
Him doing this is more important than everyone else's priority.
Yeah, everyone else's job.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like, no, you can't have that.
Seriously, he could have been shot by anyone watching now going, hang on, look, they're all stopping for, you know, Ramadan.
The British guys are going to stop and have a Morris dance while they're being spotted by a Reaper drone.
It's nonsense.
And interestingly, so the claim that more British Muslims fought for ISIS than fought in the British military was fact-checked.
By The Guardian, who said, it's not true because many of the British Muslims who fought for ISIS have returned home to Britain.
Oh, well, that's good.
Checkmate, Donaldson.
That's it.
So because they didn't go actually back to Afghanistan, therefore, OK, they're one of us.
Yeah, they're on rotation at the moment.
I'm so glad they're home, you know.
I was worried about their safety.
God damn it, man.
Absolutely mental.
And the government is punishing the military and taking away perks.
I mean, you were talking before about how the SAS aren't, you know, they're running the risk of prosecution for activities on the battlefield.
They're losing these
I mean, obviously, one of the things...
Because soldiers aren't paid a lot compared to most...
Especially considering the level of commitment and risk and stuff like that.
So people aren't doing it for the money.
But at least for the small amount of money they're getting, don't take perks away from them.
It's ridiculous.
So basically, off-duty deaths in service will be subject to inheritance tax as children or partners of unmarried servicemen face charges.
And also military servicemen were discharged in America and chastised or disciplined in Britain for not having the COVID vaccine.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, so they're still reviewing possible discipline of troops, it says there.
And the people who fight, who might fight the hardest, who might be willing to go to Ukraine.
Because I know people in the military who basically just want to fight.
You know, they joined up to fight.
Why else would you join them?
And this is how a veteran was treated by his government, by the British government.
So he expressed, this is after the Southport attacks, where, you know, obviously these little girls were stabbed by a second generation migrant.
Or, if you're the mass media, a 100% British Welsh Christian choir boy.
So this guy just posted a video that was completely...
Valid. All the opinions he expressed were valid.
He was specifically peaceful.
He said, don't do anything violent, but these are some questions we need to ask and all this sort of stuff.
And it was...
I watched it.
I was like, you know, it was actually very reasoned considering, you know, what had just happened.
And he was prosecuted by the state.
So many people who were prosecuted just were told, I don't know if there was collusion going on between duty solicitors and magistrates and courts and the government, but so many people just pled guilty, pleaded guilty, and were obviously promised, oh,
you get a lighter sentence.
And also, you know, if you plead not guilty, you'll be held on remand.
So it's basically the same thing.
And then they got ridiculous.
So long sentences, like Lucy Connolly, who's a young mother, for a tweet that didn't have any real-world impact, she got 30-odd months in prison.
It's disgusting.
She'd already lost a child to a negligent immigrant doctor, so you can understand why she might have an issue.
So he pleaded, he was one of the few that pleaded not guilty and it sort of shows, it casts a question mark over the rest of the convictions because he was cleared in 17 minutes by a jury.
So no wonder, but what way to treat a veteran, you know what I mean?
Soldiers are quitting in thousands.
It won't be just because of pay.
It's all the things that we're talking about.
It's the desire that if we go to fight, then we might get caught, as we've talked about.
Have our rights removed.
And what am I fighting for?
And I've certainly got to leave my children here.
Absolutely. That's a really superbly valid point.
Why would you defend the borders of another country when we are not defending the borders of our own country?
And I think, you know...
That argument is not going to go away easily.
Ukraine and Poland, they're showing, you know, how you defend borders.
You have borders and you resolutely defend them.
And Britain is just not a safe country anymore.
There's the kind of psychic landscape that, I mean, you know, people of our sort of age, we remember what it was like when we were sort of 20 years old and you'd just go out on a Friday night and you'd just go get absolutely pissed and you would snag at home, you know, a mile or two and nothing would happen and you would never expect anything to happen.
I wouldn't do that now.
I would think, Jesus Christ, not with the people wandering around there.
It's dangerous now.
I'm not leaving my family without me to help them.
You knew the fights when you saw them in the pubs in the baths.
The people weren't waiting in corners, waiting for you to come home to rob you or steal from you.
In the same way that we're seeing now.
And the sort of predatory element, like the Somalian guy who raped a woman to death on a park bench.
And, you know, like, yeah, basically...
If you want to protect your family, you've got to stay in the UK.
You've got to stay near your family.
It's ridiculous.
British youth don't want to fight anyway.
We've got this next clip.
Would you believe, looking at them, that they don't want to fight?
Because we've also, alongside our patriotism...
Turning into a hate crime, you know, any sort of nationalism being a hate crime.
We've also had a sort of pussification of our society where, you know, young men aren't taught to be masculine unless it's by Andrew Tate.
You know, everybody's just trying to turn them into the weakest gimps in the world.
It's just a comment on the right.
Would you fight for the country?
No. No.
No. No.
I'm not fighting.
I have no answer for patriotism in my body whatsoever.
Really? No.
I just can't be bothered.
No, can't be bothered?
Okay. Also, we're all trans, so, like, that's a hot topic, isn't it?
How does being trans come into the conversation?
I think, like, well, especially in America, they've just outlawed trans people during the military, so I don't know what that situation means for us in the future, but I can't wear this to the bloody...
Imagine me in the barracks, like...
No, it's not happening.
The last thing...
Jesus Christ, sick of hearing.
Don't worry, no one will touch you.
Sick of hearing from them.
Just call me old-fashioned.
I just want Cromwell to take over.
That's all I want.
And also, so that's a sort of, I guess, native British population, but we've also got an issue with...
Immigrants not seeing themselves as British first.
I'm not making a sweeping generalisation here.
I know black guys who served in the military who see themselves as completely British and way more patriotic and British than a lot of white people we've just seen.
You know, there are trends with people who have come from overseas or have their origin from overseas who don't, you know, who don't see their heart and soul.
It's a different generation.
What they didn't see was what happened in the Second World War.
There isn't a cultural link together.
And I think when you remove the cultural connectivity...
We're not like the Roman army, where they gave you citizenship as long as you fought for a long time.
I know the European Union wanted to try and create that ideology, but we're way away from that now.
The thing is, as well, I think what you're thinking of, Leo, is an older gentleman who grew up in a country that wasn't ruled under the doctrine of multiculturalism.
Because everything about a culture that is self-confident and monocultural...
Is about integration, and it genuinely is.
I mean, notice we never have the conversation about integration anymore.
Like, oh, how are these people?
What do you mean integrating?
They have their own little ethnic enclave, and that's how things are.
And so you've essentially said there is no country.
What there are are these privileged little groups who have their own almost little sovereignties.
Well, why would I fight for this?
Of course you're not going to fight for this.
Whereas if you grew up in a monocultural society, all the aspects of society were geared to making you...
Join it.
You didn't have the option of just sitting outside of it and having your own little colony.
It's completely self-evident.
I think you look at that Roman analogy again.
As Rome fell away, you broke down into smaller communities.
Yes, you did.
And that's what's happening is the British Empire is going away.
The nation of Britain is going away.
We're now slipping into little kind of enclaves once more.
And what are you going to wait?
Wait for a King Alfred to come along one day and say we can bring us all together again?
I just don't think that's going to happen in the short term.
Maybe not in the short term, but I would like another King Alfred.
That sounds like a great idea.
You know what?
Carry on, because I'll save the third segment for Monday.
All right, cool.
So, yeah, so we move on to the next thing.
So this is in...
They asked a bunch of migrants in Sweden if they would defend Sweden.
This isn't a video you can play, unfortunately.
It's just a screenshot.
But I can guess what their responses were.
But the answer was no.
And I've seen similar surveys and stuff, people saying they don't identify as British, and also a huge proportion of British Muslims see themselves as Muslim first.
And British second.
Way higher than in France and Germany and other European countries.
So we've got issues in Britain.
Britain likes to pretend that we've done multiculturalism, we've done integration in a different way, and it's better.
It absolutely is not.
And like you say, this whole idea of integration...
In a lot of places, there isn't a British society for people to integrate into.
So they're born into, even second, third, fourth generation migrants are born into a foreign culture within this country.
The only integration that occurs is when you've been to university and have got real wealth.
Yeah. So you integrate now because my friend was at university, they're a Muslim, they're a doctor.
Or they're from Somalia and they're a lawyer.
But we're all making 100, 150 grand, 200 grand a year and we can all live in Surrey or we've got a nice little apartment in this part of Canary Wharf.
We're a multicultural mix of wealth.
Based on that level of culture.
But that's our pod.
That's our little pod that we're in.
We don't see those elsewhere in the country because we've just become like any other upper middle class.
...group or middle-middle-class group across the world.
We're the internationalists, and we don't really care about this lot.
Yep, absolutely.
And I think that's why there's such scorn and disdain for, you know, when the Southport riots happened, you know, people were like, oh my God, why aren't you?
Because they're not...
The white working class!
They're not understanding.
This isn't the same as, you know, Tez from the tennis club.
This is, you know...
And this goes back to our first argument.
Rupert gets that.
No, he doesn't.
Right. The whole way that immigration has been done in this country has just been openly destructive as well.
The idea that someone can...
Oh, okay, we'll rub a stamp of visa.
You can just come and live in England.
It's like, okay, but what?
It's just completely free, is it?
Because you know what you're going to get from that.
Because, I mean, if the Chinese said, right, okay, Europeans...
Come on over to China, right?
We're going to make sure that the laws favour you.
We're going to make sure the media favours you.
We're going to make sure that you're advanced through DEI schemes, through all of the institutions, and you can just do whatever you want.
We're going to give you Chinese money.
You'd be like, okay, well, this is crazy, but I'm up for it because why wouldn't I take advantage of this?
But what are you going to get, right?
Are you going to get this sort of weird, sort of gestalt European area?
Or are you going to get the English area, the French area, the German area, you know, the Irish area?
You're going to get these little ethnic enclaves from Europeans in China because you know it's just easier.
It's just easier to live around people that you know have a familiar pattern of life.
Where did that happen?
In a proper real time?
The United States.
Because everybody fled Europe.
They went to different parts of the United States where their community were.
But what's interesting is that in, I think it's the early 19th century in the United States, they were becoming aware that, oh, parts, like, there are so many Germans that actually we have to start aggressively asserting the Anglo culture of the United States.
No, no, they did.
And they literally aggressively asserted at the state level, saying, no, you are not allowed to speak German.
So this is why, like, Donald Trump is not Drumpf, right?
So immigrants to the United States.
The United States would anglicise their names.
They'd be like, oh yeah, no, I'm going to take on an English-sounding name, so people will accept me and I'll fit in.
And this is how integration actually works.
We have done nothing of that.
I mean, there are stories of people in the early 20th century who are like, yeah, well, when my parents came over from Poland, we were forbidden from speaking Polish in the house.
We had to speak English because we wanted to integrate.
That's what you'd have to do if you wanted immigration, integration.
And we've done nothing.
We do the opposite.
We encourage people to keep their own language and we provide interpreters.
So it's like it was deliberately designed to destroy the country, destroy the solidarity of the country, and leave us with areas of the country that are frankly not English, not Welsh, not Scottish.
And why are they surprised that nobody wants to fight for this?
And this is the shock.
I think they're finding this now going, oh, we didn't really think this would happen.
You asked your client groups that you've brought over and given them all of our money and all of the grace of the state, you know, the laws and everything, all of that's in their favor.
You asked them to fight for this, and they're like, we're not fighting for this, why would we fight for this?
Well, yeah, and if we move on to the next little video, so talking to a friend from Ukraine, he was saying, so this is...
We can play this without the sound.
This is when the Russian invasion first kicked off.
Migrants to Ukraine, because there were a few, were trying to leave on the trains and sort of blocking.
Some of them are blocking the women and children from the trains.
This was reported in The Guardian and stuff.
This is racist.
They're dragging the Africans and the black people off of buses.
Dragging African men off of buses.
And also, you know what I mean?
Why? We're told that when people come to a country...
They're 100% British as soon as they step foot in the soil, so why are they leaving instead of fighting?
Why are these Ukrainian men fleeing?
Why are the Ukrainian men having to spill their blood, whereas the immigrants who have enjoyed the benefits of the culture in the country that Ukrainian men and women created can flee?
It's nonsense.
Are we going to see that in the UK?
It's like so.
If there was a war that broke out in the UK, it would be the quickest way of draining the exit.
That's the counterfactual, isn't it?
Let's start a war just so we can get rid of them.
Yeah, the idea that people coming across the border are going to be prepared to fight for this country is pretty ridiculous.
I mean, the whole point of an asylum seeker is they weren't prepared to fight for their own country.
Sorry, just on that, I actually loathe the idea that we can take healthy adult men as asylum seekers.
The idea is just like, no, that should just not be an asylum seeker.
No, you're old enough to fight and join your country's army.
Get over there.
We'll send you money.
We'll give you guns.
I don't know.
We'll help them, right?
I'm happy to help them.
But no, you're not an asylum seeker.
You're a coward.
And if it was just women coming across on the boats, nobody would mind it.
Nobody would mind it.
The old joke being that the women would form SS squads overnight, right?
They were like, absolutely not.
If my neighbourhood was flooded with beautiful Ukrainian women, I think the wives of the neighbourhood would be really upset about it.
And in fact, we could be fueling civil war with mass immigration, this constant talking down of nativism and patriotism.
I think this is what you're referring to earlier.
So this is an article by David Betts, who's a professor of war in the modern world in the Department of War Studies, King's College London, where he heads the MA War Studies Program.
Incredible. I've been listening to...
He's been on a bunch of podcasts recently.
In this article in particular, Civil War Comes to the West, really interesting.
So he basically warns that the shift from a homogenous society to heterogeneous or multicultural society is dangerous because you've got a native population that's increasingly aware that they're losing majority status, they're being deranked.
And so that's when you can get conflict.
And obviously everything that...
The establishment is doing.
In terms of, you know, making it really obvious that there's two tiers, like the recent sentencing guidelines that said, you know, ethnic minority people get shorter sentences, get special treatment.
Everything they do is really overt and is really antagonizing to the native population.
So just so the thing, again, like going back to the China example, if China was like, Europeans, come on over, form your own little ethnic congregation.
Can you imagine if the Chinese government was like, right, okay, you're going to get shorter sentences than native Chinese people.
I mean, why are you doing this to yourselves?
It's one of the weirdest concepts, but when you look at this and you can say you saw what happened in South Africa where there was quite an element of white working class poverty, the Afrikaners in there, and they had to build their own enclaves to protect themselves as the very wealthy,
rich white people started to either leave the country or leave them in the powers of those who we now know in charge of stealing farms, taking assets.
Actual racists.
And you have those enclaves still exist.
We don't...
See that promoted too much on our television.
We saw what happened in Zimbabwe.
If you were white and poor there, you effectively left or you were killed.
And so when David Betts talks about this, the situation is not like that now, but it's the way that it's developing.
It's the pockets that are being created.
And everything that we said about, you know, mass immigration, if you don't allow integration, they're not going to only occur on smaller numbers whilst you've got an economy that's growing.
Those things are coming to pass now.
And you have academics like David Betts, who is, he admits, he's of the left.
You know, he's not a right-wing.
Almost every academic is.
And he is now warning this.
And yet, are they beginning to pick this up at all?
I don't know.
But this is really an important piece of research that advances the arguments.
Yeah, and the conditions are ripe for civil war in the UK within the next decade, basically.
This is why they're going so hard on young white men at the moment.
This is why you see them in Parliament, you see this adolescence thing, where they're going at them and saying, well, look, the way that they approach it as well, as if...
It's a bunch of menopausal women surrounding a young man going, right, why aren't you acting like a young girl, basically?
And it's like, look, these young men don't know what to say to any of this, because this is an alien environment.
They don't know what's happening.
But the sense that they are having their birthright stolen from them is perennial.
It is inside of them, and they don't know what to do.
And this is what the establishment is currently most afraid of, that young men are just like, you know what, we can actually cooperate.
If there's one thing that young white men have shown through the ages is that they can cooperate very, very successfully.
And so if you're the HR ladies running Britain at the moment, you're like, so what?
They might all just get together on social media or something.
Yeah, they might, actually.
And you can see they're genuinely afraid of it.
And it's things like this.
David Betts, if I recall correctly, he says that the thing that's missing is essentially the leader to unite them together to actually start it.
So, okay, but when someone says, okay, young white men, let's go.
Let's do this.
Well, then it's on.
And do we think that the multicultural establishment is actually going to be able to stop them?
Do we think they're going to have the power?
Not without real violence.
And this is why you have organisations like Hope Not Hate that want to vilify them.
Even if they use real violence, I don't know that they can do it.
I think if they use real violence, because during the Southport riots, I was wondering, how close are we to the military being called in?
This looks like it's spiralling out of control and the police won't be able to deal with it.
They're not designed to deal with that kind of level of mass disorder.
The five-foot-two high-vis wearing Indian ladies aren't going to...
In the rainbow-painted police van.
Yeah. But, you know, would the military, if they were called in, given that, you know, the majority of the military are patriotic and are kind of, you know, I think a lot of them are kind of not happy with how the directions travel in the country.
Would they...
Acquiesce to turning their guns on their cousins and their neighbours.
Well, I'm intrigued about that because I looked back, we were going to talk about the Peterloo Massacre, and the Peterloo Massacre had similar sort of things.
He had the omen came in and...
Admittedly, many of the Omen were actually people who were reasonably wealthy, but they had a number of individuals who were quite willing to chop their own down just for the sake of a few coins.
Now, the question is, would our own military this way do exactly the same as what you've seen in Ukraine in their own revolution?
Would they shoot their own?
When the revolution is saying we're now being treated so unfairly.
I mean, I'm mixed race.
We've talked about this early on.
I look at the white end of my family and saying, why should they feel so...
Disenfranchised from this country.
Whether I can put an application form for the same job and say, I'm mixed race and you're white.
And you know that the mixed race element now is going to push you up the ladder much more than them.
That's sensible unfairness.
I'm cut out of jobs.
I'm cut out of education.
Then on the other side, you're being told white masculinity.
You're crazed and you've got these TV shows.
I know we're not going to do it today.
All of them...
De-emasculating white individuals.
That is not right, and it's not on, quite frankly.
It is quite evil.
If you look at the British media, it's sort of like Radio Rwanda against white people, but with fewer checks and balances.
With less of a fair hearing.
If you look at the reality, when you see...
Who's doing the stabbing?
When you see the picture of Axel Rudacabana, that 100% Welsh choir boy.
That's, it's just, it's a blatant thing.
But then I think, you know, some of it is so overt and so ridiculous.
Once people acquiesce to something, once people go along with a ridiculous position, they'll defend that position.
And, you know, you're sort of creating a societal pressure to go along with that.
You see with these people, you know, saying, oh, I hate Britain, you know, I hate Britain.
They might not actually think that, but they've got to say it.
And then once they've said it, they've got to defend it.
But I think war might be a good thing for the UK because it was H.L. Mencken who said, War is a good thing because it is honest.
It admits the central fact of human nature.
A nation too long at peace becomes a sort of gigantic old maid.
That's true!
In one of those videos we saw the young maids.
This thing with the TV show about the young men.
All it was was menopausal women sitting around talking to other menopausal women about what's going on with young men.
It's like, okay, but you actually need to speak to...
People like us, if you want to know, because we know a lot of young men because they follow us and they're like, why does everything suck now?
It's like, yeah, no, we can explain it, unfortunately.
But anyway, sorry, should we finish up this?
Yeah, let's finish up.
Just to say as well that military assistance in Ukraine is a kind of investment in the future because they've got drones.
They've got drones that can go 3,000 kilometres now, so the Ukrainian patriots will be able to take out...
If there is civil war in the UK, Ukraine will help us and they'll take out Birmingham or wherever it needs to go.
That is a line.
Yeah, that is.
I never expected to ever read.
Yeah, on a magazine.
Oh yeah, young Chinese are too fat and masturbate too much to pass every fitness test.
Every country's the same.
Yeah. Every country's the same.
To be fair, I'm not really worried about China or Russia, frankly.
I'm worried about the government in this country.
That's what worries me.
I'm worried about my own.
What's happening above.
I've got to be honest, if China took over the country...
I don't think I'd feel more restricted.
I'm not saying it's a good idea.
I'm not saying I support it.
At least living under China, you know what you can and you can't say.
And there is, you know, they've managed to sort of foster this patriotism and national pride.
And I think that's why they've managed to have a communist system that hasn't fallen apart.
Well, this is the point that I think that the old maids currently running the country and importing as many Islamists into it aren't really considering, is that I'm a man.
All I have to do is convert to Islam and I become a Sharia enforcer.
You're wearing your burkas, right?
You keep doing this.
I'm going to convert.
I'm going to become a Shara Invorcer.
This is a threat.
I will absolutely convert.
I will take you as my second, third, and fourth wives.
So maybe think about it.
And we'll also bring a picnic along to the football stadium and watch you being flogged.
Okay, calm down.
I thought the burka was far enough.
Anyway, let's read some comments.
So Xenotheum says, of $20, thank you, says here's some money for pints and to keep the lights on, appreciate the great guests, see if the lads are.
Scanline says, the book Voice of War is about letters sent to British people who lived through World War II and...
And if they liked how the country had changed after winning, overwhelmingly negative and full of regret.
Really? Wow.
There are a bunch of interviews you can see from people in the 70s.
This is not...
This is not what we expected.
Well, imagine if they saw it now.
Yeah, exactly.
I look back to the 90s is a good time.
I would say it's the 80s, 90s, but that was the point, that the curve started descending rapidly.
And we were lucky to have actually had those years.
We were, yeah.
We genuinely were.
And we speak to lots of Zoomers who just have no idea what it was like to live in a nice country.
They just have no idea.
Jay says, I'm 67, so I don't think I'll see the results of the current lunacy.
We're not voting my way out of this because there's no one to vote for.
So, on that note, that's a great point.
This is something, again, I've heard from reform supporters a lot.
Well, they're your only option.
It's like, okay, but that's only true for as long as they are the only option.
What if something else comes along?
I think if something came along with individuals who had the capability of combining a reasonable amount of money, and that only needs to be about five to six million pounds a year over a five-year period, plus the capability of utilising good people over social media that then expands across the networks,
then we will have a challenger party that would actually be able to do this within a year or two.
And I don't think it's a four or five years like reform.
I think if they've got the right people and the right message, along with that technology behind them, one or two will take reform out.
Harry, we won't worry about the video comments today just for time reasons.
Now, this is a point that I've been ruminating on as well, because it seems to me that there is a very large and disenfranchised activist base on the right.
There's a huge section of right-wing social media influencers who have got no one to throw our support behind.
And then there's a huge amount of, frankly, stepped-on right-wing patriotic politicians who would love to have just an honest party to move into that wasn't trying to destroy them.
We actually have to fix the country.
We actually have to do this.
And I think someone asked me recently on another podcast.
Would I stand?
And that question you've raised there is honesty.
I have to really believe that the individuals who are behind this generally want to save the country, help the people who are struggling to be able to feed their own children and look after and pay their own bills, who are concerned about the health of their own grandparents and parents as well.
We've got to have somebody that is willing to change our education system to give people hope, not just criticise individuals because of their colour or their white.
That is not acceptable in this nation.
Return to what we were all about.
What was about the nation that made us so great?
And if they are able to do that with the honesty and decency, then they would have people like me on board.
But at the moment, we don't see that at all.
We see people scrabbling around, just not being able to deliver in any really effective and genuine way.
I think the only two people on the right who have the...
The ability to rouse voters in such a way are Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
And unfortunately, Boris Johnson has shown us that he's worse than the blow.
Boris is a lib.
He's worse than the blow.
He's worse than a lib because he pretends.
Yeah, he's worse.
I think Farage, still, you know, I think this Rupert Lowe stuff, I think it'll blow over.
Maybe it'll change the way Farage approaches.
Maybe it's going to be a teachable moment, as people say.
But I tell you what, if Ben Habib and Rupert Lowe do start something, I think it would be a very serious contender.
I think they would be incredibly serious with the right backing.
It strikes me that basically it's kind of like a house that's all joined up, just laying on the ground, and all it needs is someone to pull it, and the whole thing springs into life, locked together, with the entire engine can just start roaring into life.
And everything can suddenly start hitting the ground running.
And it's bizarre that Farage didn't do this.
He didn't look at the landscape and like, okay, no, I can just grab all of this and yank it up.
And then just, you know, be 42. There's the strength of the young vote out there that's feeling alienated.
And many of them have come towards reform because they genuinely believe that that was the vehicle that could change.
Bringing in the individuals that they respect and care about and want that, that will actually generate energy and enthusiasm on the streets.
Where Farage is successful, he's managed to hold on to the post-55-year-old-plus people who are seeing it and saying, this is our last hope, my fingers through desperation.
But if they now can see what he's doing, and somebody else who has a better vision and has that capability, they will go, you know, I'm not along with him, bearing in mind that there is also a group of people out there that really are like them, but won't vote for them, as you pointed out with the numbers,
who don't like Farage.
So new individuals...
Capable of doing that, I think there's a real, real chance.
But they've got a small window.
I agree.
Joe Flanagan says, Nigel Farage is such a disappointment.
I hope the UK can build a party without him, one that can actually fix its issues before a full-scale reconquista becomes necessary.
Yeah, well, me too.
I do think the window for us to be able to do something like that is closing.
Colin says, listening to your chapters, it's made me wonder if Nigel is suffering from one might call the sort of great man of history syndrome, thinking that he is the said person and anyone else might try and take away from that.
I mean, maybe, but the thing about the great men of history is that they are able to adequately harness the talent around them.
It's like everyone knows who Napoleon's marshals were.
Everyone knows because Napoleon was like, I need a talented guy to go to Spain and deal with Wellington or whatever.
You can't do it all yourself.
But then look at Stalin.
True, yeah.
Another great man of history.
Not like a great guy.
No, no, no, no, but you're right.
He purged regularly, purged any talent in his cabinet.
He did.
He purged his people in open graves on a regular basis.
Yeah, yeah.
But he had the advantage of having a totalitarian communist system.
Just like Britain.
Just like reform, yeah.
But this is the problem, though.
It doesn't have to be this way.
Look at Trump's Republican Party.
It looks vital.
It looks healthy.
It looks like they are happy to do what they're doing, and there doesn't seem to be any discord in the ranks, even though they've all got...
When RFK was allowed to have his Maha...
Make America healthy again.
Farage would have come out and be like, no, that wasn't my message.
Trump just let it go.
No, let him have it.
There's no reason we need to be insecure about any of these things.
Everyone's actually on the same page.
Let's make things better.
It can be done.
So Sophie asks, are any of the allegations true?
It's like, well, the only allegation against Rupert Lowe that's still standing is the one Zia Yusuf has levelled, because Zia Yusuf has made it seem that a 67-year-old man is a big threat to him as a 68-year-old man.
Zia went to the police, didn't you?
Pussy. Anyway.
That's the thing.
That's the most damaging thing about it.
It's a sort of...
Wet. Absolute wet.
It's a lefty tactic to sort of be like...
Eminent tactic.
Bullying. You bullied me.
Sorry, grandpa's bullying you, is he?
Shut up.
You know, shut up.
No respect.
One purpose of the draft will be to drain Britain of her native population.
That's the point you were making.
Thus weakening the greatest threat to the communist, socialist, slash fascist regime that is the Uniparty.
You know, the thing about these sorts of overarching chess moves is that I've met a lot of MPs, I've met a lot of politicians, I've met some civil servants, and none of them struck me as being very intelligent people.
And you need a significant amount of brain power to pull off a plan like that.
And so I think that it's actually just this sort of...
The downstream consequence of them making bad decision after bad decision after bad decision rather than planning this to happen.
It will end up being the consequence of it.
And the thing is, I could be wrong.
The planners are genuinely much brighter.
And the planners come from the international organisations.
That's where lots of these are drafted in the first instance.
They are the places of the UN.
They are the European Parliament in the Commission.
These are individuals who see a picture in the long term.
We'll talk about the World Economic Forum, but there are also different little organizations all over the world that have different groups of billionaires and corporates and academics all working together, all seeking funding from the top.
It's follow the money.
Where the money funnels up to the top, those are the individuals who are dishing it out, and they want an agenda set.
And how many times do you get politicians and political parties are using information-based that's coming down?
We know that.
Tony Blair is feeding huge amounts to his organisation into the Labour Party, and it's becoming part of their policy.
He's not elected.
He is a very wealthy man, and he's getting money from all over.
But equally, he works along with those same organisations.
Lars has got some good advice for any young men who are worried about being conscripted.
He says, the best way to avoid being conscripted is to volunteer and give a bonkers reason for it.
We'll be refused.
So yeah, you could go up and say, look, I'm just really racist and I really want to get into the army.
And they'll refuse you.
So yeah, good point.
Arizona Desert Rat says, I would argue that the Americans make the most obnoxious tourists.
Even in the US, most tourists annoy me.
In Edinburgh, they're a nightmare, like going up and doing the fringe.
Because Edinburgh's built for one guy to drive a donkey along the path.
So there's no space.
The pavements are so small.
You get an American...
Edinburgh is a lovely city.
Very, very beautiful place.
Omar says, And this is the non-crime hate instance.
Just the idea that anyone would be like, no, I have to fight for this order.
But this Even if you wanted the gay-race-communist international liberal order, this is a crap version of it.
This is poor.
This is on the verge of civil war.
This has not been done with any competence.
There are going to be far more competent European countries that have gay-race-communism in the international liberal order.
Ours is, again, like everything that Britain has ever done.
But uncack-handedly.
And it's just...
We can't even do woke well.
No, we can't.
I tweeted the other day that I think Britain is going to end up being the Lithuania of woke.
Do you get that reference?
Lithuania was the last pagan state in Europe.
Right. Until, like, the 15th century.
And eventually, they'd had crusades against them.
They'd had, you know, everything against them.
Surrounded by Christian powers.
And they were just like, no, we just don't care.
We're just not changing.
Until they wanted political access to Poland, and so they ended up converting for political reasons.
But that's what, essentially, Britain's going to be like with woke.
Everyone else is like, oh, yeah, this woke stuff's actually terrible, isn't it?
And Stalin was like, no.
I saw the other day that, oh, Criminals will be able to choose their gender still.
It's like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
This destroyed Nicola Sturgeon.
Do you want it to destroy you?
What are you doing?
Everyone around the world is like, okay, now that's bonkers.
Why would we agree to that?
And yet, Yvette Cooper doubling down on this.
It's because they're living in a completely different stratosphere where, you know, they're surrounded by these advisors, these special advisors and NGOs who are, you know, paid shady money to pump these weird opinions towards the government.
And we talked about about a thousand of them are coming in when they're coming to government and suddenly they're getting more money than they've ever had and more opportunities to make more money.
So they'll do it between their own groups exactly the way that I discovered.
USAID were funding various charities and organisations here to take on the government in relation to immigration cases.
Why should a fund that was supposed to be helping foreign aid to help people who are starving actually help people who are trying to come into this country and destroy our nation?
It's mad.
It's absolute madness.
But again, like I said, even if you wanted the end result they're looking for, you wouldn't run it this way.
This is a catastrophe waiting to happen.
Anyway, so...
On that note, I think we're out of time.
So, Stephen, where can people find more from you if they'd like to see more from you?
Well, mainly I deal with either X now or the Centre for Migration and Economic Prosperity.
What's your X?
It's StephenWolf1, I think, actually.
Can we pull that up, Harry?
Yeah, I think I need it.
Just to make sure we've got the right one.
Yeah, because I had to, I was talking about it early on, is I had to close down the whole of my X accounts and Facebook and I had over 100,000 followers at one stage.
Purely because I was cancelled.
I couldn't get work as a lawyer.
Right. So it's Stephen Wolf 1. Yep.
So that's my ex.
I just followed you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And CMEP UK is C-M-E-P-U-K 1, and that's the Centre for Migration and Economic Prosperity.
And what I do on that is I put out numbers.
So this weekend I'll be putting the updated channel migrant numbers, the cost to the country, the amount that the people smugglers make.
On that, and I will do that.
I do that regularly on a week or a month basis.
But we're building that out again, actually.
Oddly enough, people have started to want to be interested in population, the criminal statistics, and I'd run that as quite a little bit of a hobby for a while.
Because we didn't really get to the level where you are with yourselves.
But we got really good numbers out there.
And they're going to start coming out for more people to get the evidence.
We're going to run a particular one called CMET Verify.
So whenever you see the BBC or others talk about immigration, we'll have that verified.
And if people say, Stephen...
Tell me the verification of this particular evidence.
We'll pump that so that everybody gets the right evidence rather than what's been pumped to them.
And Leo, where can people find more from you?
I'm on Twitter, Leo Kearse, and I'm on YouTube, Leo Kearse as well.
I've got 140,000 subscribers on YouTube now.
I've also got a Patreon, so you can give me money on Patreon.
It's about the same as a Netflix subscription, but you only get a couple of homemade YouTube videos instead of all the stuff you get on Netflix.
So it's like a really bad Netflix.
It's like Netflix, but without buyer's remorse.
And also, I don't try and turn your kids gay.
That's a good point.
But what about your famous Instagram as well?
Instagram? Oh, Scottish Comedian.
Yeah, that's great.
I love it.
I never really post on that.
No, I know.
It's just really funny that you actually get Scottish Comedian.
I couldn't believe Scottish Comedian was available.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's fantastic.
Anyway, thank you so much for joining us, folks.
And we will be back in half an hour for Lads Hour.
So we'll see you then.
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