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March 18, 2025 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Tuesday, the 18th of March, 2025.
	I'm joined by Dan, and today we're going to be talking about Nigel Farage, going to the left.
	Then we're going to talk about Nigel Farage, going to the left.
	And then we're going to talk about how the left is mental over Elon Musk in this particular case.
	So, without further ado, ado, ado, ado.
	I think it's ado.
	Let's begin.
	Yes.
	Well, we've had some criticisms of Nigel Farage.
	Over the past week or so.
	Not just us.
	I mean, lots and lots of people.
	But basically everyone who's ever worked with him.
	Us on the, what do you call them, the online right.
	You know, the activists themselves, branch chairmen.
	We've all had criticisms of Nigel Farage.
	But I'm here to report that it's over.
	We lost.
	Nigel Farage has dropped the R-bomb.
	Let's check out this video because, you know, he's done it.
	He's deployed the nuclear weapon.
	But I don't want to say one thing.
	Some of the online abuse...
	Can you turn up a bit, please, Harry?
	It's a bit quiet.
	...outright over racism that has been showed against a senior member of this party.
	Had it been shown towards any other member of the ethnic minorities...
	From the Labour and Conservative parties, every one of you in the journalistic arena in this room would have been in total and absolute uproar.
	It would have been a major national story.
	But because it's happening to us, no one seems to really care, with the honourable exception of Danny Finkelstein in The Times.
	I've never really agreed with anything in the past Danny's ever written, but on this he showed himself to be fair and to be decent.
	Anyway, we are big enough and ugly enough to take it, and we are cracking on.
	Right, well, I guess it's going to be a really short podcast today because, you know, he's won, Carl.
	He's called us racists.
	We've got no comeback on that.
	What do we do?
	Well, if Nigel Farage is joining the left, why don't we just do what we do whenever a left-winger calls us a racist and ignore them?
	What?
	Hang on, are you saying that when somebody calls you a racist, instead of immediately surrendering, you could just ignore that?
	Well, I mean, it has been traditionally what we've done with the left.
	I mean, we did try to argue against them, but it turned out that the accusation wasn't being made in good faith.
	Then we did try to point out that they're being hypocritical and that they're the real racist, but it turns out that doesn't have any impact on them at all, as I think Nigel Farage is learning.
	And so we just ignore them and carry on.
	Good God, I didn't realise you could do that.
	That's...
	Nigel.
	That's brilliant.
	I mean, if only we had known that when you're called racist, instead of immediately surrendering your country, if we had done that 30 years ago, I mean, we could still have a culture and a people.
	Yes.
	Well, on that bombshell, ladies and gentlemen, I guess we better sort of suddenly make up a second half of a segment then, because that's thrown me in complete disarray.
	You know, it appears in the situation, as this chap on Twitter points out, Farage thinks that any in-group preference, even the most mild and functional form, is unacceptable.
	Right.
	Basically, he's done the Hillary Clinton thing, hasn't he, Cole?
	He's gone out there and he's called us all a basket of deplorables.
	The only difference being is that when Hillary Clinton was doing it, she was doing it against her political enemies and Farage is doing it against his political friends.
	Yes, he's done kind of the reverse of Hillary Clinton here.
	He's attacking his own base for being deplorable rather than the enemy's base for being deplorable.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Well, he's basically sort of trying to outflank the Tories from the left then.
	Which is a difficult thing to do.
	Yes.
	Well, to be fair, the Tories did manage to flank Labour from the left, so there is precedent of it being done.
	Yes, but that's the point.
	That's how far left the Tories are.
	If the Tories are outflanking Labour to the left and Farage is outflanking the Tories to the left, well, he's definitely wandered into quite left-wing territory.
	There was a quip that you made that I quite enjoyed at the recent Witten where basically somebody asked you who you were going to vote for and you said, well, I don't know, maybe Labour because of the most right-wing party that I can find.
	I mean, that's sort of the situation that we found ourselves in where every time we have something that purports to be a right-wing party, they basically then try and flank the Labour from the left and then reform a flanking Tories from the left.
	I kind of noticed that...
	Keir Starmer is currently enacting a series of governmental and institutional reforms to cut waste and reduce the size of the state.
	Never thought I'd say that.
	Yeah, he's like cut a whole NHS England department or something, hasn't he?
	The whole quango that controls it, yeah.
	Cutting benefits.
	And cutting benefits, yeah, is the next thing he's going to do.
	So, right.
	And immigration numbers are down.
	I mean, to be fair, you...
	Not by much, but...
	Yeah, you had to be going some to keep up with the Boris wave.
	You had really worked to keep up with the Boris wave.
	We seem to have genuinely ended up in a situation where the Labour, the most right-wing party, they're just thoroughly incompetent.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, pretty extraordinary.
	I wonder if this messaging has got across...
	Oh, it has.
	Look, there we go.
	There we go.
	It's got across to Rupert Lowe, this clever strategy of basically saying when you're called racist, just I don't care.
	Let's just pretend that the importation, legally and illegal, of a countless young foreign men who have zero respect for women has had no impact on women's safety.
	And to those who raise concerns are somehow racist, honestly, who cares?
	There we go.
	So Lowe's got the memo.
	There's our Trump.
	Yes.
	Don't really care.
	Well, I suppose that's the other genius of Trump, isn't it?
	Is that he didn't...
	He didn't kowtow to the frame of...
	You can probably say this better than me, but the frame of reference that the enemy set for you, something like that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	The moral paradigm that the enemy have set is you're not allowed to ever be...
	Essentially self-interested in your own good.
	And Rupert Lowe said, well, I don't really care about that, actually.
	So basically what we need to do is get Rupert Lowe a party.
	Yeah.
	And then we can actually have a right-wing party in Britain.
	Okay.
	You can imagine such a thing.
	Yes, because we used to have five left-wing parties and now it looks like we've got six left-wing parties.
	It does, yeah.
	Yes, yes, not so good.
	Anyway, well, let's cheer us up a bit.
	What have we got here?
	Oh, this is a lovely compilation.
	It's about slightly more than a minute, which is a longer clip than I'd normally play on the podcast.
	But this is so enjoyable that I thought it was worth playing in full.
	So Harry, can you play this for us?
	Deport, deport, deported, deported, deporting, deportations, deport, deported, deported, deported, deported, deported, deported, deport, deported, deporting, deport, deported, deported, deportations, deportation.
	They should be securely detained until rapid deportation can be arranged.
	Deported, deported, deported, deported, deported, deportations.
	Two words:
	detain, deport.
	Deportations.
	Tens of thousands of deportations.
	Deportations.
	Deportations.
	Two words.
	Detain.
	Deport.
	Deportations.
	Deportations.
	Two Ds.
	Detain.
	Deport.
	Deported.
	Deport those with no right to be here.
	Deportation or mass deportation.
	Detained and deported.
	Detained and deport.
	Detained and deport.
	Deport.
	Mass deportations.
	Deportation.
	Or even mass deportation.
	Mass deportations.
	Deportations.
	Deported.
	Deported.
	And they should be deported.
	Deported.
	Deported.
	I can see why Farage is like, oh God, this guy's got to go.
	Yeah.
	Because that's a message that's going to resonate.
	Well, that was quite enjoyable.
	Lo coming out as a Double D enthusiast, as every red-blooded male should be in this country.
	But, I mean, this is kind of a thing, isn't it?
	It's like, you know, those of us on the right, we've got a fairly simple set of requests here.
	Yes, send the illegals home.
	Yes.
	It's day one.
	It's not difficult.
	Well, not just the illegals, but the...
	I mean, people who can't afford to support themselves either.
	Sure, but I think the most easy one to put across to the public that they will most understand is, look, we can sidestep any questions that might get into the weeds about anything.
	If someone is here illegally, they should be sent home.
	Like, 67% of people agree with that, that just every single illegal should be sent home.
	Okay, well, let's do that.
	That's a great campaign promise.
	Yeah, because it depends how you set these things up, doesn't it?
	The left will always want to come at this from an absolutist perspective, which is, oh, you know, let's say you've got a foreign wife and, you know, she lives with you for 40 years and then you die, you know, do you deport her the day after you die?
	They go for the most extreme, ridiculous examples that you can think of.
	And to be fair, there are some Spurgs on the right who actually want to go down that route, but that's unhelpful.
	But actually, you know, you're right, you just start from, OK, well, what can we agree on?
	The people who came here illegally, obviously they've got to go.
	Then what about one inch to the right of that?
	What about people who came here illegally but are engaged in serious crime?
	They're serving a jail term.
	Can we deport them when they finish their jail term?
	Again, something like 67% of people agree with that.
	Oh yeah, because there was that poll that came out, wasn't there?
	So these are completely mainstream, uncontroversial positions, by the way.
	Was it something like 99% of reform supporters are in favour of deportations and 60...
	Was it 67%?
	67% of normals.
	Yeah.
	So that's a pretty...
	Even 52% of Lib Dems.
	52% of Lib Dems.
	So even most Lib Dems agree.
	I mean, it's...
	Yeah.
	It's almost impossible to find anything of which...
	It's the most popular political position in the entire country.
	Right.
	There's just nothing that has this kind of level of agreement on.
	So why do you think Farage is saying that it's impossible, then?
	Yeah, that's a great question.
	I can't answer it.
	I mean, I saw Gwaine Towler going out, and he's been really pounding the beat for Farage in the wake of this Rupert Lowe thing, and he made a very important distinction between illegal immigrants who have committed crimes, which is the ones that Farage promises he'll deport,
	even though, as if I believe that, and then those that haven't committed crimes should just be left in the country to have the opportunity to commit crimes.
	I think there's something that Gwaine kind of missed on that, which is the term illegal immigrant means that every single one of them has committed a crime, and so every single one of them can go.
	And it's that simple.
	Yes, I mean, by definition they are...
	Literally criminals.
	Literally criminals.
	Yes.
	I hadn't actually...
	That's an interesting point.
	I hadn't...
	I think I'd understood this on some level, but you're right.
	Farage's commitment to deportation only goes as far as people who are here illegally...
	And have also committed another crime on top of that.
	Yes, and often these crimes are horrific and it would be better to prevent those people who are here illegally from committing those crimes before we deport them.
	It would be better to deport them to prevent them having murdered or raped someone or something like that.
	Yes, but you're right.
	So he's committed to basically the smallest possible subsect.
	Whereas, actually, the next step up from that is, OK, you just deport everybody who is here illegally.
	The next step up from that is, OK, you deport all of them, plus all of the people who are here legally with dual citizenship who have also committed a crime.
	Which, again, the British public overwhelmingly supports.
	And then you could go a little bit further, which is, OK, we're not going to provide welfare support.
	In fact, I think that's Rupert's next point here.
	Here he says, if a foreign national is unable to support themselves financially, then why are they here?
	What are they contributing?
	What benefit are they providing to the British people?
	We have been banging this drum for years.
	It's finally nice to see an MP actually saying it.
	But, I mean, is there any other country...
	I mean, maybe the chat or the comments can sort of inform us, but is there any other country...
	Any non-Western country that you can go to and just turn up and just get given a house.
	Well, there's not going to be a non-Western country, no.
	It's only Western countries that are insistent that everyone must have human rights everywhere, all over the place.
	And that means free BMWs from the government.
	Only those countries do this.
	Obviously, a normal country doesn't do this.
	Yeah.
	I mean, any normal country, irrespective of what you contribute when you're there, if you go in illegally, you're automatically out.
	It's just an automatic out.
	But also, I mean, most countries, they kind of want you to demonstrate that you can support yourself.
	Yeah, and it's worth noting as well that most countries actually don't have a major problem with illegal immigration, right?
	Because most of the time, it's not advantageous to break into a foreign country because most countries aren't set up to benefit foreigners.
	It's literally that simple.
	Most countries are just not set up.
	They don't have an entire section of their law dedicated to protecting the rights of foreign people who break into the country.
	And so you can't get benefits.
	You don't have lawyers on your team.
	You don't have the media and this activist class, NGOs, the quangos.
	You don't have them all pulling in your favor to get you as much native money poured into your pockets as possible.
	They don't put you up in a house.
	They don't give you a car.
	They don't make sure.
	They don't put you in a hotel.
	They don't just give you spending money.
	And then the society itself is parochial.
	The society itself is like, no, I'm not going to...
	If I'm in...
	Guatemala or something, and some guy from the Congo turns up, like, I'm not going to hire him because I don't know who he is.
	What the hell is he doing here?
	I'm going to hire another Guatemalan guy, right?
	So there's a natural preferencing for the native population by the native population.
	And so the civilization is set up for itself and not to support foreigners.
	So most of the time, what would be the advantage to breaking into Guatemala illegally?
	None.
	It would be really difficult and you'd probably starve.
	You know, it'd go badly for you.
	So this is not a problem they have to deal with.
	You know, no one in the Congo is like, great, I'm going to break into Guatemala and then I'm going to take advantage.
	There's nothing to take advantage of.
	It's only Western countries that do this.
	This is why, you know, China doesn't have this problem.
	You know?
	I mean, that's sort of designed throughout the fabric of the society.
	I mean, I remember queuing up for some cultural site or something in one of the Asian countries.
	And it had a big sign up that sort of said entry fee and whatever it was, you know, 800 somethings.
	And then I noticed there was the foreign language, well, the native language with a big foreign language.
	And he says, oh basically natives pay half as much as foreigners do.
	We do the exact opposite in this country.
	We've recently put together a scheme where if you're an illegal immigrant, you can attend an English heritage site for free.
	We set up our society on the basis of doing everything the opposite way round.
	I mean, I have to pay for my English heritage membership.
	Yes.
	So, you know, there we go.
	But then I have to pay to live in a house.
	Yes.
	Whereas foreigners, obviously, they don't.
	72% of Somalis don't.
	Are paid to live in Britain by the British taxpayer.
	Like, half of the social housing in London is occupied by foreigners.
	So we're just occupying London with a bunch of foreign people that we're paying for.
	And this is why we're paying more than a million foreigners, just to live here at our expense.
	Well, isn't something like, yeah, 60% of London's social housing is occupied by...
	45%.
	Oh, 45% occupied by first-generation immigrants who obviously cannot support themselves, and that's why they're in social housing.
	And we're literally paying for them to live in our capital city.
	I mean, there were a few simple things that you could do that could start to move the situation around.
	Stop paying them, yeah.
	Yeah, well, one, the basics enforce the law, where you get rid of people who haven't done that.
	And you don't even start needing to get any more...
	Well, you can get more aggressive on your deportation policy, but you could also go a hell of a long way just by saying, one, we're not going to pay you to be here.
	If you don't have at least one British grandparent, you're not getting any benefits, which is a very low bar, I think.
	You could even have, if you weren't born in this country, would be a massive, I mean, that would be seven and a half billion a year that you then knock off.
	Right.
	And that's just in the universal credit.
	That's not in the housing system and the NHS or anything else that they're claiming on.
	But you would probably say something, it's going to be around like 20 billion a year.
	Yeah, I mean, I'd probably like to do it on the basis of grandparents, given that the last, well, basically since 1997, there's been so much immigration there.
	We've got lots of second-generation immigrants who, you know...
	Maybe their parents didn't work, but I don't...
	But yeah, you're right.
	You could even do it for first-generation immigrants.
	You could only go back that far, and at least you'd be cutting the flow at that point.
	Tens of billions you'd save.
	Yeah.
	And the incentive to move to here would be massively reduced.
	I mean, the other thing that always occurs to me is...
	I was a bit ill at the end of the last week, so I don't know if we covered this or not, but there was some horrible stuff going around on Twitter about the slaughterhouses.
	Yeah.
	As simple as basically enforcing food standard laws universally.
	Yeah, for anyone who's not aware, halal and kosher slaughter requires it, for arcane religious reasons, to be non-stunned, for some reason, as if that's...
	Well, I doubt very much a 7th century text made reference to, you must not stun them.
	No.
	It just didn't specify that you would.
	But the point is, this is somehow objectionable to, again, these ancient religions.
	It's like, well, that's not really my problem, is it?
	You have countries that you can go to if you don't like the way that we slaughter our animals here.
	And these are our rules, and these are our laws, and you'll have to abide them.
	And the thing is, you could just import the meat, or something like that, if you wanted.
	I would probably favour just banning...
	You know, halal and kosher meat and banning the import as well.
	And it's like, okay, if it's that important, you just become a vegetarian.
	Yeah, but the thing is, I'm thinking of what's most likely to win over the British public, right?
	So it's most likely to, if you wanted to have a campaign against halal slaughter.
	Very easy to win over the British public.
	Very easy.
	Because, I mean, in the one example they were slaughtering sheep, whilst they were playing wolf noises to scare them, it's just like...
	Yes, unnecessarily evil.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Comically evil.
	That would be a very easy thing to just say, well, look, we're just not going to allow you to do that, so that's over.
	Get used to it.
	And, you know...
	There'll be people who say, well, okay, well, you can just deport them.
	That's fine.
	You know, let them have it for now.
	You know, it's just we are going to establish some boundaries and we're going to worry about what comes afterwards, afterwards, right?
	But for now, no, you can't just massacre these animals without any thought to their welfare.
	That's horrible.
	So, I mean, Lowe seems to be on to something here with some of this stuff.
	I mean, he writes well.
	He seems very based.
	I mean, he seems to me, to be honest, like the sort of person that would read The Islander.
	The Islander, the magazine which we produce, we are not getting any money from YouTube whatsoever because they hate us and they keep demonetising us.
	So if you like the fact that we exist, why not go to our shop and buy Islander 3?
	You'll get this beautiful magazine.
	This is a lovely collector's piece, and if you are going to do that, do it very soon, because we've probably only got a couple more days' worth of stock, because this one is selling even faster than the first two.
	Yeah, it's been really good.
	I am actually going to send Rupert one of our copies, because I would like you to have it, and I think you'd enjoy it.
	Well, you'd better go and take one out of the pile quickly before they all sell.
	I will, actually.
	And packet it off.
	I actually have taken a couple of copies to myself, and I'll send him one of mine.
	I like this reference as well.
	It's a random comment, but comparing Farage to Kronos, devouring his children for fear that they might surpass him.
	I thought that was a beautiful reference.
	I mean, that's exactly what he's doing.
	Yes.
	The other thing that I find interesting is, and Morgoth sort of makes his point quite well, is, so the Hillary Clinton thing of dumping on the online right.
	So the online right are out.
	Tories and Lib Dems are in.
	Yes.
	We'll cover this more in my segment, but that's precisely what.
	I think that's definitely a point to come back to.
	The other thing that I found quite interesting, and maybe you'll pick up in your segment as well, it's just the level of establishment support that reforms seem to be getting.
	I mean, every day I'm seeing lifelong Tories coming out.
	I mean, this is a full-page spread in, what was it, the Daily Express?
	Yep.
	You know, basically explaining why everybody needs to get behind Nigel Farage.
	So I think this is actually quite straightforwardly explainable.
	Look at the framing of...
	The Reform Party.
	Whenever you want to reform something, that is to say, this thing is valid, it is useful, it's good, we want to keep this.
	However, there are problems with it, exigencies with it, that need to be changed, and therefore it needs reform if we want it to continue into the future.
	And so what Farage is saying is, look, we need to carry on the Liberal Order, but I'm a necessary corrective to that Liberal Order, which is...
	I mean, honestly, I don't even know what he's going to do differently to the Labour Party.
	Keir Starmer is that necessary corrective, and he is actually going through the stages of what actually needs to be done to preserve the order, which is not good, because of course this current order is destroying the country.
	But Farage is not presenting himself as a threat to the system, he is presenting himself as the saviour of the system.
	Well, yes, that's the interesting thing.
	We've ended up in a situation where every single party...
	Does the opposite of what its name says.
	So the Conservatives aren't conserving anything.
	Labour do not represent Labour.
	They represent people on benefits.
	The Liberal Democrats are not democratic.
	They want to overturn Brexit.
	And reform has no interest in reforming anything.
	Or reforming itself.
	Yes.
	Well, reform is unreformable.
	Yes.
	It's literally unreformable.
	I don't know why every single party needs to do the absolute opposite of everything.
	Nick Dixon.
	He was quite funny.
	He is funny.
	Friend of the show, he points out, tired of being called racist by our progressive political elites, now you can be called racist by the new popular uprising.
	That's great.
	That's done really well as well.
	That's a good tweet.
	But, yeah, it's just...
	It's literally where we're at.
	I tweeted this out, the year is 2029, and Prime Minister Nigel Farage is calling you a racist for not wanting unlimited Islamic immigration.
	Actually, no, you were quite good on this.
	You said in the office about a week ago, it's only a matter of time before Nigel Farage calls Lo a racist.
	And he obviously wanted to, and he couldn't quite do it, because he knows that Lo would sue the arse off him if he did it.
	So he's probably been scratching his head for the last week, thinking, OK, how can I know what I'll do?
	I'll call all of the people that are supporting him racist, and by implication, that will rub off on Lo.
	There we go.
	Brilliant.
	Very cunning, Nigel.
	Well done.
	Where has this got to?
	Because, obviously, when you deploy the R-bomb, that's been deployed against Nigel in the past.
	In fact, didn't Catherine Blakelock on our website, she wrote, it was a brilliant article, where she basically explained that...
	Was in the early 2000s, Farage wrote an article in which he blamed...
	No, it was 2015, when he was saying how an unlimited number of Romanians and Hungarians or Bulgarians will be able to come over.
	And the media rounded on him as a racist and he was taken aback.
	Yes.
	Well, because calling a boomer a racist is probably the worst thing you can do to them.
	Yeah, it's calling them a Nazi, as far as they're concerned.
	So he was deeply rattled in 2015 by suggesting that Romanians commit more crime, which they do.
	Also, they're white.
	They're white Europeans.
	Yes, but people on the left, they throw air on the term racist all the time.
	Like, they're literally white Europeans.
	Yes.
	Romanians are not brown.
	But he was so scarred and beaten from having been called racist.
	Everyone knows I've got Romanian friends and they're like, well, you know, they're going to commit more.
	They know.
	They're not going to tell you.
	They're not going to.
	But he was so scarred and beaten from having been called racist that he remembered it and he thought, that's a powerful weapon.
	Oh yeah.
	And I'm going to use that in the future.
	And he's been waiting for it and he's deployed it and everybody's like, oh no, I don't care.
	Yeah, well...
	Nigel Lowe doesn't care.
	I like his point here as well.
	It's like, well, none of you people in the media seem to care.
	It's like, oh my god, Nigel, you're on the cusp of a revelation.
	Yeah, they only used it for the people they like and they don't use it indiscriminately for the people they don't like because actually they don't care, Nigel.
	Actually, they were just using it as a weapon to beat you.
	I think the key thing that Nigel needs to understand is politics is basically friend-enemy distinction.
	And it's that simple.
	If you're...
	An enemy?
	It is now.
	They're just going to call you names.
	It is absolutely now.
	It didn't used to be.
	You can go back, you can find like, you know, through the 70s and 80s and 60s, like all of these really genteel conversations between people on different sides of the aisle.
	And it's all very, and that's when they all agreed, no, we are all on the same team.
	And then the 2000s happened, and the left were like, but what if we don't agree we're on the same team?
	What if we hate you and want you dead?
	And we've got a word that we can use against you indiscriminately, and bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, look at you, you're all racist and transphobes.
	And so it becomes friend-anemy if you've got one faction of your politics that is not prepared to play nice with the rest.
	And Nigel doesn't seem to understand that that's where we are.
	So what might be quite interesting to watch, and we'll round off on this, is that...
	Faraj obviously thought, look, I've got this super weapon.
	I'm going to deploy the R-bomb.
	And as soon as I do, I'm basically going to win.
	Anyway, so he broke out the weapon and nothing happened.
	And this is...
	Can we play this video?
	This is him after he's deployed the R-bomb and he's confused and he doesn't know what's going on because Rupert Lowe is still being brought up and he can't handle it.
	Let's watch this.
	As the questions went on...
	People started asking more about Rupert Lowe and, how shall I put it, Nigel Farage was getting increasingly frustrated with some of the journalists.
	Hi, Nigel.
	Rupert Lowe's threatened legal action.
	Good.
	It's interesting whether you'd be prepared to fight him in court on that.
	If he took you to court, would you fight him in court?
	I should look forward to it.
	Thank you.
	Nigel, just quickly on the same issues, Amy here.
	Do you think that Rupert Lowe is responsible for...
	Sorry, Rupert did say that he was asked to tone down his speech.
	LAUGHTER He seems rattled.
	He is a bit rattled.
	And notice this sort of solipsistic boomer mindset, right?
	Yep.
	It's one thing to say to the left, oh, allegations are racism, because he's used this before, against the left.
	Whereas, like, boring, you know, and carried on.
	And that's fine, because it is boring when the left are constantly just calling everyone a racist or a trans, sexist, whatever, under the sun forever.
	But that's not what's happening here.
	No.
	This is a genuine...
	Set of concerns by your own supporters.
	I mean, these are telegraph journalists.
	Yes.
	These aren't like, you know, Guardian journos or something who have come with some insane, arcane, obtuse interpretation of something you've said to suggest that you hate every brown person who's ever walked the earth or something.
	No, that's not what's happening here.
	You made a bunch of false allegations against Rupert Lowe.
	They evaporated into air almost instantly.
	And so now you're trying to avoid having to talk about your bad behavior.
	I would say transparently that.
	It's so transparently that.
	And so going, well, this is boring.
	It's like, yeah, but you are the one on the hook for mistreating someone who didn't deserve it, Nigel.
	And then he tries to join the Oppression Olympics by getting himself on the victim hierarchy stack.
	I will hold Zia Yusuf in front of me and say, look, you're just a racist.
	He's my brown totem of magical power.
	Yeah, as if that's anything to do with Rupert Lowe.
	Come on.
	But he's discovered that that magic doesn't work in his hands.
	Well, it never does for the right, because the right doesn't sincerely believe it.
	Yes.
	He doesn't think that every Muslim in Britain is being oppressed by the nature of them being in Britain, right?
	And so you can't invoke these spells without the genuine, sincere power that you would need to draw on.
	And he can't do that, because he's not a leftist.
	Well, yet.
	Not like a true leftist, you know.
	It requires true leftism to sit there and go, well, you are, you know.
	He can't summon it up.
	Yeah, he can't.
	So, yes, obviously an issue there.
	I suppose it leads us into the question of what sort of party the reform needs to be.
	It does, but we'll go through some Super Chats first.
	Oh, yes.
	So, RamshackLot says, I watched this clown show live and the comments were being deleted.
	Absolute savage.
	As an avalanche calling for Zia to go and Rupert to return, Nigel has tanked his last career his own.
	So that's interesting because he literally can't throw Zia under the bus.
	He can't do it.
	Zia Yusuf has as much power and control over reform as Nigel Farage does.
	Weird that he got given that power all of a sudden, out of nowhere.
	Well, it was previously in the previous...
	In the Brexit party.
	After Nigel had consolidated control, him and Richard Tice.
	So it's weird that Tice has been sidelined in this.
	So Tice has been superseded for Nigel's token person.
	But Alex says, too late.
	I've portrayed you as the racist soyjack and me as the gigatrad, said Nigel.
	The engaged few says, amazing.
	I didn't even touch it.
	And Macabic says, I landed to these shores as a regulated professional, and the lady at the job centre looked at me like I spat on her when I told her I came for work, not charity.
	I believe it.
	I genuinely believe it.
	And he says, Islander is a great read and look.
	Well, thank you very much.
	Right, so, the question that everyone is asking is, what kind of party is reform trying to be?
	And it's very difficult to establish this because Nigel Farage seems to have no doctrine.
	He has no particular, not even ideology.
	I mean, an ideology is a useful thing if you're a political party because it informs what you authentically believe and what you will do when you gain power.
	And it also prescribes to you the boundaries of what is friend and enemy, yes and no.
	And Nigel has nothing of this sort.
	Well, I kind of get the impression that he's kind of taken week-old Thatcherite policy, rewarmed it in the microwave, and it's not quite as good as it should be, but he's making do with that.
	But that's about as far as I can get with his political ideology.
	That's as far as anyone can get.
	Because it seems that Nigel, obviously he's a free marketeer, I guess, but he never talks about it, really.
	I mean, he makes overtures in that direction.
	He's kind of an Essex man, I suppose.
	But it's hard to say.
	And this puts him in...
	In one way, it's advantageous because he can morph into whatever he needs to be for whatever given audience that he's talking to.
	But in another way, it's a series of weaknesses because it doesn't give you an affirmative position.
	To strike from.
	So it doesn't give you something consistent and intellectual that people can actually dive into.
	It doesn't underpin your movement with a philosophy, and so it's hard to see why people...
	But has he even been trying to do it?
	Because I think his approach has been, I want to sell you myself.
	Do you like me?
	If you do, then vote for me.
	But he's not saying...
	Let's sign up to a set of ideals like you're talking about.
	But this is why Rupert Lowe's critique that, well, it's still kind of a protest party.
	It doesn't really have an agenda and a policy.
	It is, we are not them, therefore vote for us.
	And that seems to be all Nigel Farage is coasting on at this point.
	Anyway, so if you want to...
	Learn anything about philosophy and where we ought to go as a country.
	Go and get Islander.
	It's only on sale for, I think, a week, but I don't even know if the socks will last that long.
	So get it while you still can because once it's gone, it's gone forever.
	We're not reprinting them or anything.
	And trust me, it's worth your time.
	It's amazing.
	We haven't had a single bad review of the contents of the magazine.
	It's just...
	But the article's just superb.
	You'll really enjoy them.
	Anyway, so, Nigel Farage did a press conference, if I could get to that, which I can't.
	He did a press conference yesterday announcing 29 defections from other parties.
	I just want to see if you can get the...
	There we go.
	There's the arrangement.
	So you can see there's the speaker and a bunch of chairs behind them that are filled.
	By various defectors, like this is some sort of sixth form conference or something.
	It looks like in school, here's the members who are being, you know, here are the people who got awards at school or something.
	Very peculiar.
	So defectors from other parties.
	Yes.
	Now, there's something to say about defectors from other parties.
	It's never really good to have a turncoat, right?
	If they've defected to you, well, what's stopping them defecting somewhere else?
	Yes.
	I mean, Genghis Khan wasn't having defectors.
	Unironically, Alexander the Great didn't have defectors.
	So Darius III, Alexander's chasing him across Persia after crushing him in battles.
	And Bessus, one of his closest lieutenants, betrays him.
	Goes to give them to Alexander.
	And Alexander's like, oh, I'm not having that.
	We're going to kill Bessus now then instead.
	Right?
	Because he killed Darius.
	Genghis Khan did the same thing with various enemies of his.
	You don't want a turncoat.
	Like, when Caesar's chasing Pompey the Great across the Mediterranean and he goes to Egypt and the Egyptians cut off Pompey's head and give them to Caesar, Caesar has them crucified.
	Like, no, you don't have turncoats because turncoats are not trustworthy.
	They're the people around your enemy.
	And the people closest to him that you're supposed to be able to trust.
	And if they betray him, they'll betray you just as quickly.
	You know, they have no loyalty to you.
	What they are is afraid of you.
	And so that's why...
	Yes, better to make terms.
	Exactly.
	As far as they're concerned, it's just, well, this is where the power is.
	You know, rather than, you know, being loyal and standing on a point of principle or something like that.
	No, so a turncoat is never a good thing, right?
	So adopting...
	I'm not saying you can't take turncapes.
	I'm not saying that there aren't people who are genuine or anything like that.
	It's still a process.
	You can still be in one party.
	You can leave it.
	You can then return to the political fray another time, having evolved your politics.
	That's fine.
	Exactly.
	It's not that it's a hard line.
	It's always bad to move from one party to another.
	But it's always a bit suspicious.
	It always comes with an air of...
	And so Nigel Farage is saying, well, look at all these turncoats I have.
	Well, are they all just Tory turncoats?
	No, no, but we'll get into it.
	So anyway, it's introduced by Zia Yusuf, who...
	Oh, good.
	No, no, which, you know, you'd expect it as the party chairman.
	He's second in command of the party.
	And he announces Nigel Farage as the next prime minister.
	Which has got very much shades of Hillary Clinton's, you know, congratulate this next president.
	It's like, don't count your chickens before they've hatched.
	Because things aren't exactly going great in all respects.
	And of course, Nigel Fry has come down and calls everyone a racist and being critical of Zia Yusuf, even though there seem to be many valid criticisms of Zia Yusuf.
	I personally haven't made that many criticisms of Zia Yusuf, actually, because, like, Nigel has chosen him for a reason.
	Well, first of all, I don't know anything about him.
	Well, there is that.
	Because he appeared out of nowhere, inorganically.
	Bought his way into the party.
	And even if he is everything that they all say is, yeah, but whose judgment is faulty there?
	Well, the guy who said, that's the man I want.
	Exactly.
	You know, like, Richard Tice has many problems, but his problems aren't he is a Machiavellian who will purge all of Nigel Farage's closest supporters, right?
	Richard Tice's problems are he's morally weak.
	And he's a bit of a boomer, right?
	Yes.
	But he's not evil, and he's not, like, someone I don't trust.
	I know what Richard Tice is like, and I actually don't even mind Richard Tice, to be honest.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for him for being sideline.
	Reformers, his party, he kept it alive.
	Oh, I'm sure he'd make a perfectly serviceable bank manager.
	Sure.
	Or backbench MP, even.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	It's totally fine.
	Rupert Tice is not...
	It doesn't give off, like, you know, sinister vibes.
	No, not at all.
	But I think a lot of people are getting sinister vibes out of Zia Yusuf, especially the way Zia can just drop the hammer on, like, Gawain Towler being sacked.
	Gawain Towler's been with Nigel Farage for, like, 30 years, right?
	Never a more loyal friend.
	And he's still now doing the media beat for free, defending Nigel Farage, right?
	That, I think, is genuinely admirable.
	And I feel, honestly, I've met Gawain a bunch of times.
	He's a really nice guy.
	I feel genuinely bad for what Zia did to him, which is fire him.
	There was no need for that.
	Now they've replaced him with some guy who's got scandals.
	He said some crazy stuff and it doesn't matter, we're just going to ignore that.
	But Gwaine has never done anything like that.
	He's been nothing but Farage's most loyal soldier.
	And it's just like, I don't understand how Nigel can accept that, but okay, here we go, here we are.
	And so anyway, in this, Nigel gives a speech.
	He says, look, we need some old lags.
	We need some people who have been in council and know what they're doing.
	It's like, Nigel, you had...
	Dozens and dozens of them.
	You had dozens.
	UKIP had hundreds of councillors, probably thousands of councillors, actually.
	Dozens of MEPs over the years.
	A couple of MPs.
	But he gave them the whole deplorable treatment as well.
	Exactly.
	An MP in Douglas Carswell.
	You had lots of old lags, and if you were able to build a coalition of people who liked and trusted and respected, you would have no problem finding manpower.
	You wouldn't have to recruit from the enemy's ranks.
	Here he is, and he's got no choice.
	Anyway, so a bunch of the journalists were asking, I don't know why that's not on there, but anyway, a bunch of the journalists were asking, well, will Rupert Lowe come back?
	And the answer was no, right?
	Farage said, of course, we'll wait and see what the results of the investigation are, but the investigation isn't, Rupert Lowe isn't under investigation.
	Yes.
	So the two women who are making...
	I mean, the only allegation is from Zia Yusuf, and that seems to have gone very quiet.
	Like, you know, Zia's not prosecuting this case in public, right?
	He's not saying, well, Rupert Lowe did this to me, and therefore we've put it to...
	Nothing's being said about that.
	What's being said is, everyone's being racist to Zia, so I'm not going to throw him under the bus, right?
	That's the indication.
	He's not going to throw him under the bus.
	The two women's allegations against Rupert Lowe's office, not Rupert Lowe himself, have come out in defence of Rupert Lowe.
	It's not going anywhere.
	There's nothing to do.
	Oh, it's quite transparent.
	Let's wait and see.
	Obviously, this is not happening, right?
	So don't worry about that.
	Moving on, then.
	Who has Nigel Farage brought into the party?
	Now, he's brought in a bunch of Conservatives because in one of these interviews, he said, well, the Conservatives aren't...
	Doing what I think they ought to do, and therefore they need to be replaced.
	And it's like, right, so Nigel consciously sees himself as a replacement for the Conservative Party.
	Yes.
	Okay?
	Perfectly...
	I mean, it's his choice.
	It's not one...
	Don't get me wrong, the Conservative Party does need replacing, just not with an exact copy of the Conservative Party.
	Yeah, I mean, I certainly looked at this originally as...
	I was hoping for a genuine right-wing party.
	I was not looking for copy-and-paste conservatives to delete the old one.
	Yeah, everyone was.
	And the thing is, there's been a bit of schadenfreude on the part of people who have been like, no, Nigel Farage is bad.
	And we all knew that he had the potential to go this direction.
	Nigel Farage isn't super-based.
	But he could have had the potential to go the other way.
	And I guess like Schrodinger's Farage, we've opened the box and now we see that the based Farage is dead and we've got the cucked Farage, unfortunately.
	But the thing is, him taking Conservative councillors, this is fairly straightforward and what you would expect is another Conservative councillor.
	And it's not intrinsically bad.
	Well, there are plenty of Conservatives who want a genuine right-wing party.
	Yeah, exactly.
	There are plenty of Conservatives who want a genuinely right-wing party.
	So...
	A conservative turncoat to a more conservative party is actually...
	Yeah, I'm not going to give them a hard time over that.
	Exactly.
	That's fine.
	That's what you would expect, in fact.
	And there's nothing wrong with that, right?
	But then you get the first liberal Democrat, and it's like, okay, right.
	I can see the argument here for why a Liberal Democrat would want to join reform.
	Now, this is Mr Brexit.
	Liberal Democrats were leading the charge to rejoin the European Union and overturn Brexit.
	But, okay, if you accept that that issue's done, Liberal Democrats, the voters, and their membership don't hate Britain.
	They're not the Labour Party.
	Yes, that's true.
	They're the upper-middle-class strata who are doing quite well out of Britain, even as it crumbles.
	And this is why, in the South West, the Liberal Democrats have got a stronghold, because we've had less immigration than, say, the Midlands, and we don't have as much exposure to the problems that multiculturalism...
	Given their credit, they were also very sensible over COVID.
	They were very sensible over COVID, and, like I said, they're not people who hate Britain.
	What they are is just...
	And so the closer the machetes get to their nice leafy suburbs, the more Lib Dems were like, actually, maybe Farage has got a point on some of this, right?
	Fair enough.
	I can even see Lib Dems coming over.
	I mean, this is a guy called Councillor Reg Cain, who says...
	He doesn't look like a Reg.
	Yeah, he joined Reform because he believes it's the only mainstream party at this time that is genuinely listening to the concerns and needs of the British people.
	So, again, they're not anti-patriotic.
	What they are is kind of up their own rear ends.
	But that's fine.
	I can accept...
	I can accept a Lib Dem.
	Fair enough.
	Okay.
	Even, you know, in the most sort of extremity of it.
	But then it gets really weird.
	So he took this lady called Mandy Clare, who, as he says, a former Labour councillor, which is a sus thing to be in any case, who left the party to campaign against transgender ideology.
	Right.
	So she's a TERF.
	But...
	Yes.
	One thing to remember is that these people were as radically left-wing as any other leftist.
	They just got to the point where it's like, oh right, so I as a woman have to give up my spaces away from men in order to be properly left-wing.
	Well, therefore, I enjoyed all of the left-wing deconstruction right up until this point that it...
	Now, I have to sacrifice something.
	Yes, women should be in men's spaces.
	Yes, women should have this.
	Yes, women should have women's-only shortlists.
	Yes, men should not have men's-only clubs.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Oh, not now.
	And so, unsurprisingly, she's been in every communist party in Britain.
	Right.
	Since being elected in 2019, she's represented the Labour Party, the Socialist Labour Party, the Winsford Salt of the Earth, and then the Party of Women.
	I think she was also in the Workers' Party at one point as well.
	So George Galloway...
	And she's now in reform.
	And now she's in reform.
	And to the point where Nigel Farage wanted to put his arm around her on a stage with the press.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So...
	I mean...
	Yes.
	Just saying...
	It's not a good look.
	I'm not saying she can't have become conservative or right-wing or something like that.
	It doesn't seem likely.
	I do find it unlikely.
	I mean, of course, Claire Fox joined the Brexit Party, but at least the Brexit Party was a single issue.
	The old-fashioned socialists were actually quite sensible on not liking Europe as well.
	They said, OK, we should be sovereign in Britain.
	We should just do mad communist shit when we're sovereign in Britain.
	So I don't have an issue with somebody like Claire Fox joining the Brexit Party.
	Well, the old socialists, and Corbyn was among them, hated the European Union because it's obviously a giant corporatist neoliberal protection racket, right?
	Yeah, ruled by merchants.
	Exactly, 100%.
	And, yeah, they hate this.
	Fair enough.
	They want the complete opposite of what we want.
	But at least they understood that this was an enemy.
	Reform is not supposed to be a single-issue thing.
	It's supposed to be a genuine right-wing party, and that's a bit incompatible with having a Socialist Workers' Party form a member.
	That's certainly how Nigel Farage branded it.
	You remember his Breaking Point poster, where he's got the line of angry young men from the Middle East walking through Europe, and he's like, this is coming, we need to...
	Get out of the European Union so this can't arrive here.
	So it's not like Nigel Farage.
	When Nigel Farage came back to campaign in Clacton, he said, I'm going to turn this into a referendum on immigration.
	There's going to be a single-issue election on immigration.
	Very hard on it.
	And now he seems to be getting a lot softer on this.
	So, interesting that he's managed to get what I would guess is a literal communist.
	Right, okay.
	Or at least a socialist.
	Into reform.
	So, good.
	I hope it doesn't get any worse than this.
	Yeah, well, it's a bit strange, because then he got this Manzir Hassan chap, who's an independent on Lincoln County Council.
	Independent Muslim MP.
	Right.
	Councilor, sorry.
	Interesting.
	So, he happens to be, like, a rabid Bangladeshi nationalist, because he's an immigrant.
	And he doesn't seem to have integrated brilliantly.
	Wait, wait.
	So Nigel isn't automatically against nationalists.
	Only English nationalists.
	Yeah.
	So you could be a Bangladeshi nationalist and Nigel Farage likes that.
	You just can't be an English nationalist.
	Yeah, as Maya's got to admit.
	This is only from 2023.
	Right, this is not exactly Ancient History Post.
	Him on Facebook, celebrating the Victory Day at TSC Dhaka University, where I belong.
	A proud moment to be part of the legacy and spirit of freedom.
	I assume this is Bangladeshi Independence Day.
	Feeling incredibly lucky and patriotic with a Bangladeshi flag.
	It's like, right, okay.
	But then you've got people...
	Where are the other ones?
	People were posting other ones.
	There we go.
	Again, this is from 2024.
	Again, this was August last year.
	This is six months ago.
	And he's constantly our country, our this.
	His our is Bangladesh, and that's because he's only been in Britain for 15 years.
	So all I want is a political party that I can vote for that talks about that, talks in that way, about this country.
	Yes.
	Why can't we have that?
	That's racist.
	And why isn't reform that?
	That's a great question.
	Why isn't reform that?
	For Bangladesh.
	I can only assume that Nigel Farage would consider that to be racist in this country.
	Well, yes.
	But it's fine for people in Bangladesh.
	In fact, he's willing to bring on Bangladeshi nationalists.
	And like I said, I don't even begrudge this guy his position on Bangladesh.
	No, you...
	No, if you're Bangladeshi, you can be pro-Bangladesh.
	Exactly.
	In fact, it'd be weird if you weren't.
	The question is, why do you live in England?
	And why are you a councillor here?
	Like, that's the...
	And why are you in reform?
	Yeah, and then why are you in purportedly the right-wing party?
	The far-right party, if you listen to The Guardian.
	Like, what sense does that make?
	And the answer is, of course, very little.
	But yeah, so, you know, bizarre.
	And this meme was going around this morning, which frankly seems to summarise it, and you mentioned it earlier.
	Oh, I wondered how it got in my head.
	It was one of your tweets.
	Yes, yeah.
	So apparently we've arrived at...
	The sixth left-wing party, which is now the Reform Party.
	Oh, brilliant.
	Which is good.
	There are lots of great memes going around.
	Idi Amin, Reform candidate.
	But yeah, so, very weird.
	And you mentioned earlier that the establishment is coming out in support of Farage doing all this.
	Well, why wouldn't it?
	Nadine Doris, hardcore Boris Partizan.
	Yes.
	She is, and I mean hardcore, she's written an entire book.
	Directly in defence of Boris Johnson, in defence of his intervention to continue the Ukraine war, in defence of his immigration policies, in defence of everything he's done.
	And so she's come out and gone, well, Rupert Lowe, ooh, he's an evil, scary man.
	He needs to head towards oblivion, which is the best place for him.
	I've completely lost track of how many Tory establishment types have come out to bat for Nigel Farage, and it's a tiny, teeny bit suspicious as to why.
	It's because he is no different to the Conservative Party, and will end up...
	I mean, do you not remember when Zia Yusuf first came on board?
	People were like, well, you know, who's the Zia Yusuf?
	He was like, I don't know, maybe he's the next leader of the Front Party.
	And so it's just like, well, he's no different.
	He wants...
	Like, he wants his Kemi Badenok leading a reform party, because the boomers see that as being legitimate.
	Validation.
	Absolutely.
	And so, that's what's going to happen with reform, I think.
	Matt says, could Dan look at China's issues?
	Subsidizing goods for local consumption, locals documenting significant population loss, their two-and-a-half-year deflationary cycle, and recruiting NATO military pilots.
	That would be interesting.
	Yeah, I think about doing something like that.
	Yeah, because I saw that they were going to pay ex-RAF pilots a quarter of a million a year to train their pilots.
	Well, we don't want them, so why not?
	Exactly.
	We were like, oh, these useless white males.
	I was like, well, China doesn't bloody think so.
	I can't blame them for going over there, because if you're not wanted here, then fine.
	Exactly.
	Oh, they're going to pay you a quarter of a million in China?
	Yeah.
	Fair enough.
	How can you say no?
	Mason says, Starmer won by sitting on the sidelines, hiding who he was truly, and letting the Tories give him the win.
	Farage is trying to repeat the strategy, but he's revealed his true colours too early.
	Yeah, I know, this is why ZUSA being like, oh, next Prime Minister, Nigel Farage.
	No, you've got four years yet.
	You know, four years is a long time in politics.
	It took you three years to get into the lead of the polls.
	Who knows where you'll be, so don't count your chickens.
	But anyway, let's carry on.
	So, as we know...
	Trying to save the world has been a little bit expensive for Elon Musk.
	He had to spend £44 billion to save free speech.
	And I don't know if I'm really overstating it, because he kind of did.
	You're not overstating it.
	No, he kind of did.
	And his next project was to save the United States government from going bankrupt.
	And the line is where that's cost him another $132 billion.
	The left has got to this number by basically taking a look at the Tesla share price at its high point.
	So, yeah, they take a look at the Tesla share price at a high point.
	Do you want to put that on year-to-date, YTD, across the top there, since my mouse isn't working?
	There we go.
	So you see that the share price has come off a bit, and they're claiming victory for having causes.
	I mean, it's actually...
	Not really so much that.
	They're trying to get the dollar down, and that's caused a rotation out of dollar-denominated stocks.
	But I'll come back to that.
	Come back to that, because that's gibberish to me.
	Yes, but basically the left has come to the view that the last share traded at the top was notionally revalued the entire company at this.
	He owns this proportion of the company and that.
	And they're claiming victory.
	Because, you see, what they've done is they've engaged in a little bit of domestic terrorism, as they want to do.
	Yes, they have.
	If you remember back to the last time, remember that domestic terrorism that took place?
	Which one?
	Well, exactly, yes.
	Summer of Floyd, you mean.
	But anyway, there's a number of examples, wasn't there?
	But it's happening again.
	It's happening again.
	And this all sort of stems back to Elon's...
	Slightly unfortunate optics when he decided to throw his heart out to people.
	I am annoyed about this, actually, I have to say.
	Right.
	I think Elon Musk is just being autistic.
	Look at his face.
	Yes.
	I think he genuinely is a bit autistic.
	Oh, no, he's definitely autistic.
	And the thing is, having a lot of people watching you, I can understand how he'd spurge out a little and act in a weird way, but this was really, really stupid because this has given them the picture of Elon Musk throwing a Nazi salute.
	If you freeze it at exactly the right point, I mean, yes.
	So they can take this, clip it...
	Print it and put it everywhere and say, look, Elon Musk is a Nazi, even though I don't think Elon Musk is a Nazi, and he's given them a really easy and very silly optics win, which I wish he hadn't done.
	Well, and all they need is optics, because it's not like they think an issue through or anything.
	No, they don't care.
	It's me.
	But they have been making hay while the sun shines with these optics.
	And of course, because we live in...
	What's that film?
	Groundhog Day.
	Yes.
	Except in our version, it's 1939 every year.
	They've decided to brand Teslas as swastikas.
	And here we have this...
	Well, like Volkswagens.
	That were actually created by the Nazis.
	Well, that's a good point.
	That's a good point.
	But...
	What BMW?
	How did they do with the Nazis?
	Completely complicit, right?
	What about Hugo Boss?
	Yes.
	All of these companies are completely complicit with the Nazis, but here we have a company that wasn't complicit with the Nazis, and these are the swasta cars, right?
	Yes.
	Well, I don't know if there's necessarily much underlying logic, but they have managed to put some tastefully designed...
	I quite like the design of this, actually.
	So these have been going up in London, of all places.
	So I think this is only one that's gone up.
	Oh, was it?
	Okay.
	I think what this is, this isn't like a nationwide campaign or anything.
	Right.
	One of these has gone up in like one street in London, right?
	So the actual number of people who have seen this in real life is going to be in the hundreds, probably.
	This has been done for attention online.
	And then it's thousands online.
	Millions online.
	But it's quite tastefully designed.
	So for those who are listening, basically the poster goes in this thoughtfully laid out format.
	0-1939 in three seconds.
	And then a picture of Elon in his slightly unfortunate freeze frame on his heart gesture.
	But yes, do like it.
	On the tube as well, it would seem.
	This is presumably trying to get all the city traders...
	Who is paying for this?
	Well, I would assume that it's not going to be USAID, but I would assume there are other pots of money out there that can fund lefty agiprop.
	Well, like George Soros.
	Well, not just that.
	I mean, literally funded by the government, just not USAID.
	Oh yeah, it could well be the British government funding.
	I mean, there's a whole bunch of...
	I mean, it wasn't one of...
	I can't remember which was it.
	There was one of the very well-known lefty congresswomen or senators who was getting something like a billion a year into her NGO.
	From the US government.
	So there's lots of pots of money out there.
	The German government pays for a lot of anti-far stuff as well.
	Yes.
	So I'm not in any doubt that as we go through this, there is government money coming in.
	But tracking down which pot of government money from which government, I assume it's from the US government, but through one of the pots of money.
	So this has been going up on London tubes trying to get the city boys to dump their Tesla stock.
	It doesn't really work like that because, I mean, I've got quite a lot of Tesla stock.
	And yes, I suppose I'm mildly not as happy as I could be that it's gone down from $400 to like $250, but then I bought it at $12.
	So I'm like, oh, okay, fine.
	In fact, what I've been doing is I've been buying it for the children's junior releases while it's cheap.
	And it's just like, okay, thank you very much for making it a bit cheaper.
	It's still a good company.
	So if you want to sell me something that's good, cheap, then fine.
	I'll just do that.
	I do like the cars.
	Yes.
	Yes, well, because I got one recently.
	You've driven it a couple of times.
	So they are good cars.
	This, I particularly like this one.
	Fast and Furious with his Cybertruck with the optional upgraded wheels.
	The thing is, it starts to lose its impact when they actually start photoshopping things.
	Oh, I quite like that one.
	If it's a picture of Elon doing it, okay, yeah, fair enough, that looks bad.
	But it's like, yeah, can you get the swastika hubcaps?
	No, we've made all, we start making things up now that aren't real.
	It's like, okay, you start losing your own argument when you start doing that.
	I might see if you can get the swastas subcaps.
	Dan gets the sticker.
	I bought this after you.
	We'll have to find it.
	But no, I thought that was a nice tastefully designed bit of artwork.
	Not as tastefully designed as the Islander.
	We don't get any money at all from YouTube because they hate us.
	So if you would like to see that we exist and as opposed to not being here, then consider subscribing on lotuseaters.com.
	Or if you'd like something, a collector's item like this, go and buy the Islander magazine.
	If you're going to do that, do it very quickly because we're probably down to the last couple of days of stock at this point.
	They are collector's items.
	Oh, this one I liked as well.
	Now with white power steering.
	The thing is, right, so every time the left does something, there's always the, look what they've said, and they assume that everyone disagrees with that thing.
	But there's always a constituency of people who say, ah, look at what they've said.
	Well, yeah, that was my thinking.
	I was thinking, well, I've already bought a Tesla, but I might have to buy the wife one now as well.
	I mean, these adverts will be getting me over the line.
	The adverts kind of go hard, which is weird.
	Yes.
	Obviously, we're not in favour of Elon Musk being a Nazi.
	I don't think he is a Nazi.
	Or white power or any of these nonsense terms.
	But they are making it look kind of cool.
	Yes.
	Which isn't great.
	I think people should go out and buy a Tesla.
	And actually, I've done a deal with Elon because he's always up in my DMs.
	And we've worked out a code.
	So if you follow this referral link, you will get 1,000 off your new Tesla.
	I'll make sure that's in the show notes and in the YouTube description.
	So if you follow that code, you can get 1,000 off your Tesla by using my referral link.
	And if you use it, let me know and maybe I'll...
	Sign your Islander or something or whatever.
	I don't know.
	We figure something out.
	But anyway, there's £1,000 off your Tesla if you would like to buy one, which I think that would be good.
	I don't know if you can get the optional extra gear stick.
	I love how, literally, it's the year of our Lord 2025.
	All they're doing, oh, he's a Nazi, he's a Nazi.
	Oh, my God.
	Shut up.
	I'm so tired of it.
	It goes back to your point of, you know, are Teslas really Nazi cars?
	I mean, compared to...
	All of the others that were actually Nazi cars.
	Okay, so Ford Motor Company.
	Presumably, that is not supposed to be a swastika.
	Wasn't Ford a British company?
	I thought it was American.
	Oh, yeah, no, it is American, yeah.
	But anyway, Ford work in Germany produced vehicles for the Nazi military, including trucks and cars.
	GM, through its subsidiary Opel, GM produced vehicles for the German war effort.
	There's evidence that GM was aware and benefited from these operations.
	Volkswagen, literally founded as a Nazi initiative.
	Yeah, I mean, it literally means people's car.
	Yes.
	Yes, Volkswagen.
	People's wagon.
	It was intended to be used as a people's car.
	During the war, it switched to military production and used forced labour from concentration camps.
	Not a good look.
	I mean, that's even less of a good look than accidentally looking like you're doing a Roman salute while waving to people at a rally.
	I mean, literally founded by the Nazis.
	Yes.
	BMW.
	BMW's involvement include producing aircraft engines and motorcycles for the German military, utilising forced labour from concentration camps.
	So did Mercedes-Benz, right?
	Yes.
	Yes, exactly.
	Significant use of forced labour.
	Audi collaborated with the SS to use concentration camp inmates for production.
	Yep.
	So Audi, they don't get away with it.
	Porsche!
	Or Push, as it looks.
	The founder had direct connections with Hitler, designing the Volkswagen Beetle at Hitler's behest.
	Push also used labour during the war.
	Right, OK.
	Opel, I think we covered those.
	Maybach produced luxury vehicles but also contributed to the war effort by making engines for tanks and aircraft.
	Anyway, there's a few more on the other.
	So, all of those cars, the left doesn't mind you buying them.
	Who actually, like, worked with the Nazis.
	It's not really about Nazis.
	No, it's not.
	We hate Elon Musk.
	That's what it's about.
	Because Elon Musk is defunding all of our friends.
	Because we got them on the payroll of USAID, and Elon Musk is making sure that they have to get real jobs.
	Well, that's the thing.
	I'm pretty sure that if you were to ask any lefty, why is it?
	Explain to me why you don't like Elon.
	They would not be able to give a reason.
	They would simply have this circular logic of saying, well, he's a Nazi.
	Well, how do you know he's a Nazi?
	Well, because he's bad.
	He's a Nazi.
	Because he did a Roman salute.
	Okay, and what about him being a Nazi?
	Well, that means I don't like him.
	But it's a completely circular logic.
	They have no actual reason that they can pin to to say that they don't like him.
	Literally, the only thing is that Spurky salute.
	That's the proof that they have that he's a Nazi.
	But you can clip frame.
	And people have done these compilations.
	Yeah, Jeremy Corbyn, Diane...
	Yeah.
	I mean, all...
	I mean, Diane Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, they've all at some point been clip-framed doing...
	Waving at someone, yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So, and that's all they've got, but they can't explain any of it.
	Now, of course, because...
	The US is a wonderfully diverse country with lots of interesting people.
	Some people take this slightly further than others.
	So Tesla showrooms have been getting attacked.
	Even cars set on fire.
	I'll read a little bit of this.
	As Elon Musk attempts to dramatically cut the federal workforce and delve further into the corridors of American power, Tesla has come under fire, literally.
	There have been dozens of vandalisms against Tesla vehicles, dealerships, charging stations in recent weeks to local police reports underscoring the backlash that Musk blah blah blah...
	Oh, here we go.
	On Jan 29th, a 40-year-old woman threw a Molotov cocktail at a cyber truck parked at a dealership in Loveland, Colorado, according to police.
	Colorado is an insanely left-wing place.
	As I understand it, most California refugees have fled to there and continued their left-wing reign of terror, making Colorado a Democrat stronghold now, which is...
	Well, I'll just read one more line before moving on.
	Lucy Grace Nelson allegedly returned to the dealership four more times in recent weeks to cause further damage.
	Why wasn't she locked up after Molotov-ing a car?
	I think she has been now.
	The problem that you've got is that for a long time the left have operated on the assumption...
	How many cars do I get to Molotov without going to jail?
	Well, you're on the right, so zero.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm a man as well.
	But the left have operated for a long time under the assumption that they can do anything and just...
	Get away with it.
	And to be fair, if they've got a Soros-appointed DA, then they actually would.
	They actually would get away with it.
	So let's delve a little bit deeper into this woman that we've been reading about.
	Andy Ngo here has the inside.
	Oh, it's a woman.
	Yes.
	Lucy Grace Nelson, a leftist man whose real identity is Justin Thomas Nelson, is referred to as a woman.
	Oh, OK. The media reports about the alleged violence attacks on Tesla Poplar in Colorado.
	He was allegedly found with homemade...
	So someone who is excessively addicted to the internet has decided that Elon Musk is a Nazi because of left-wing propaganda and now he's conducting actual terrorist attacks.
	Let's just zoom in on that.
	I've got to say...
	I don't know how accurate Andy Ngo's reporting is, because looking at those pictures...
	I can't tell if that's...
	Well, I don't know.
	Make your own mind up at home as to...
	Because we're on YouTube, I shall just say that's very, very convincing.
	Yes, totally.
	Isn't it weird, though?
	I've often thought this.
	Is that when...
	Terrorism happens in Europe, the authorities rush out to say it's got nothing to do with ideology, it's about mental illness.
	And in America, when terrorism happens, they rush out to say it's got nothing to do with mental illness, it's about ideology.
	And in both cases, the authorities are wrong.
	That's interesting.
	One point you might want to be aware of, and do use my referral code to buy a Tesla and get yourself £1,000 off, but...
	First of all, you're not going to have a problem unless you live in a rampantly left-wing area.
	Yeah.
	So it's not really an issue.
	The other thing to be aware of is that, I don't know if people know, but Teslas basically record 360 degrees around them at all times.
	I didn't know that.
	Yeah.
	It's called sentry mode.
	Right, okay.
	So, I mean, right now I can pull out my phone and see all around my car.
	And it records as well.
	You can see the blue-haired activist.
	So the first thing I do when I get back to the car is I have a quick skim round just to make sure there's no damage.
	And if there is, I can call up a video of how it happened.
	Right, okay.
	So these people are going to jail?
	A lot of them, yes.
	So for example, this is one example of...
	So these people walked past and decided to key this Tesla.
	And this is basically recording from the Tesla.
	So...
	Abraham was grocery shopping in Aurora, Colorado when someone keyed his Model 3 that was parked outside.
	Usual suspects.
	Yeah.
	Exactly who I'd expect.
	The vandal left a nasty 8-inch scratch on the trunk lid, and now Abraham has to wait a month before he can take it in to get fixed.
	Abraham has no idea who this person is, which leads us to believe that Tesla itself was the target rather than Abraham.
	He hopes that sharing this video will help the criminal get identified and held responsible.
	If you recognize them, send us a message and we'll forward the information to the authorities.
	Well, I mean, that's the thing to bear in mind, is if you are a leftist thinking of going out and damaging Teslas, well, you are going to be caught on camera because they record all the time.
	Good to know.
	Yes, that is slightly unfortunate.
	In response, some people in leftist areas have started putting a sticker on their car saying, I bought this before I realised Elon was a Nazi.
	And the point you often make to me is I ought to get the sticker for my car saying, I bought this after I knew that he was a Nazi.
	But I like that.
	After I knew he was awesome.
	Yes.
	But yeah, just to be clear, he was not a Nazi.
	We don't know.
	He was a Nazi.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm still going to buy another one.
	So, these attacks.
	The leftist media is keen to stress that they are completely organic.
	Oh, are they?
	Yes.
	Completely organic.
	It's like everything about the left.
	Yes.
	It's not...
	Nobody's being paid.
	This is not being organised.
	To be fair, it's probably not.
	Internet Spurgs being like, I'm going to key this Tesla, that's probably not paid.
	Well, they would also suggest it's not being promoted on MSNBC.
	Oh, that's not true.
	Yes.
	Let's listen to what they themselves have to say about it, because they kind of they kind of say the quiet part out loud.
	rich. He's got control of X. They give those are big assets to Donald Trump.
	But I got to say how long Elon Musk is going to want to continue to see people attacking Tesla dealerships around the country, lighting Tesla charging stations on fire, painting swastikas on the sides of Tesla dealerships and seeing the stock
	price plummet that way.
	impacting his personal wealth
	Yeah.
	So, I mean...
	They know what they're trying to achieve.
	He's literally dog-whistling, saying, Elon's not going to keep this up forever, guys.
	Just saying, it's really having an effect.
	We can put pressure on him and we can get him to back off.
	This guy is even less subtle about it.
	Chris Hayes, yeah.
	He's very keen to let you know that this is completely organic and he's not going to just provide you a website and a list of places where you can get in on this and where there's a protest near you and etc.
	and so forth.
	There's something really remarkable happening right now.
	I'm not sure people have really quite gotten their arms around this.
	We are seeing this organic, bottom-up movement against Musk's signature company, Tesla.
	Some activists just put up a website with a simple message, right?
	Sell your Teslas, dump your stock.
	And then an entire Tesla takedown movement has sprung up in response.
	They've got a map where all the protests are planned all across the country.
	It's been happening for about a month.
	This weekend alone, there are more than 100 protests planned at dealerships, Tesla dealerships across the country, from Brooklyn to Toledo, Dallas to Grand Rapids, Raleigh, dozens more.
	There are even, as you might see there, a handful planned in Canada and the UK. I'm going to tell you something.
	I wager next week.
	Completely organic.
	Here's everything you need to know about it.
	Here's a list of protests.
	Here's the website where you can join up.
	It's happening right now.
	Interestingly, when some people speak to these protesters, sometimes it can be a bit...
	You get paid to be out here?
	Amazing.
	You really are getting paid for this?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Oh, definitely.
	100% I'm getting paid for this.
	So this...
	How much?
	This genic freak is like, yeah, yeah, I'm being paid to be here.
	And how much?
	I mean, if it's a couple hundred dollars to stand around on a Saturday afternoon with an anti...
	I don't know.
	Just saying, I'm not really doing anything.
	I don't know how much it pays.
	I mean, it might be...
	He's probably not doing anything else with his time.
	The same George, you know.
	Yes.
	People have even infiltrated these groups, and they've got the chant sheet.
	Hey, hey, hello, Elon Musk has got to go.
	I don't know if I can read it from there.
	Hang on.
	Oh, I could read it better there.
	No Elon, no peace.
	Oh my god, these are such cringe rehash 2016 protests from the woke SJW types.
	But they're just now reconfigured for Elon.
	So, hey ho, hell no, Elon Musk has got to go.
	Hey hey ho ho, it's time to fight, come on, let's go.
	Hang on, no Elon, no peace is a pro-Elon slogan.
	We don't have Elon, we don't have peace.
	Oh yeah, that's a good point.
	So that's retarded.
	Whose government?
	Our government!
	What do we want?
	Democracy?
	When do we want now?
	Okay, but Trump got elected with Elon Musk campaigning with him, so it's not like people didn't know they were getting Elon Musk with Donald Trump.
	It's very front and centre.
	It's interesting that when you go to a right-wing protest...
	We don't have chants, you just have an army of gladiators who you can pull out individually to make coherent arguments.
	And leftists just have these chant sheets, and it's like, okay, we're going to do chant number three, and they all start chanting.
	Yeah, I mean, we're here to mobilize fight back against their lies.
	What are you accusing them of lying about?
	The accusation isn't lying, the accusation is being a Nazi.
	Yes.
	Right?
	So, like, okay.
	When Trump says yes, we say no.
	Why is this important?
	Because, I mean, this is the underlying problem here.
	Look, this is the amount of money that the US government is spending on servicing its debt.
	It's over a trillion.
	They don't care.
	This needs to be fixed.
	This has to be fixed.
	You're a naughty.
	Yeah, and they're going...
	Have you thought about that?
	Fixing the US debt?
	Nazis wanted to fix the US debt.
	This will end...
	Actually, that's not true.
	Because you can see the US basically didn't have any debt.
	Yes.
	How much were we servicing the debt on?
	Nothing during the Nazis.
	They definitely wouldn't have had an opinion on it.
	And actually, this restructuring process, that's actually what's causing the drop.
	In the Tesla share price, I did an episode on market dips on Brokernomics, if anyone wants to go and get into the detail on there, but that explains it all.
	But, you know, the very short version is, you know, this is the US debt clock that's showing the scale of the problem.
	You've got the national debt up there in the top left-hand corner, you know, 36 trillion of debt, and that's only if you don't include the unfunded liabilities.
	But now you've got this golden clock racking up, which is the money that Doge is saving.
	14 billion?
	Yeah, they've only been doing it.
	A couple of weeks at this point.
	They've already saved two grand per citizen.
	I mean, that is meaningful.
	That's great.
	To cut 214 billion in like three weeks.
	It's hundreds of billions.
	I mean, he's doing the US a tremendous favour and in exchange he's getting told that he's a Nazi.
	Well, you know, if there's one thing the Nazis were famous for it's their desire to have...
	Minimal debt?
	Yes.
	I mean, they probably did, to be fair.
	No, they didn't!
	They were terrible!
	They were a bunch of socialists!
	They ran the German economy into the ground!
	Yeah, fair point.
	JD Vance gets it.
	Western societies keep running the experiment of importing millions of low-wage immigrants and expecting it to boost...
	Well, basically GDP or productivity, and they keep failing.
	It's time to follow a different path.
	I mean, that wraps up basically the entire podcast, everything that we talked about today.
	Vance gets it, and these unfortunate dysgenics who are torching Teslas don't.
	Well, they're the ones who are being paid by USAID, really, aren't they?
	When you take away a man's livelihood, you can understand that you're quite angry.
	Well, ladies!
	Yeah, whichever.
	Anyway, let's go to the video comments.
	In fact, let's, in the meantime, read a couple of comments.
	Grant says, just want to say that here in thawing tundras of Canada, I've received my issue three of Islander.
	Well, that's good.
	I'm glad to hear it.
	Thomas says, I'm not at Pete North levels of immigration policy, but Farage isn't making it easy to find a middle ground.
	The white space of this policy fills is huge.
	Yeah, it's kind of mad that Farage has got such, like, liquid position on immigration and deportations.
	This is such an easy win.
	It's such an easy...
	And why does he keep moving it to the left?
	I don't know.
	Why is he trying to outflank the Tories on the left?
	The British public are far to the right of all of the current parties.
	They're genuinely far further to the right.
	And it's very frustrating.
	Anyway, we've got those ready.
	Harry?
	Hey Dan, looking for an update on Bitcoin.
	There's a massive hack and it looks like about $10,000 in value got wiped out in 24 hours.
	Should I really wait for next month?
	Or would it probably be a good time to bail out now?
	Don't take this the wrong way, mate.
	But your position size is too large.
	Because you're always fretting.
	That tells me that your position size is too big.
	Your position size should be such that you don't care about it moving up and down in the short term.
	So you're just over-invested.
	So being able to sleep at night is the most important thing.
	So get your position size to the point where you're just chilled and you're just letting it do its high volatility thing in the background.
	But yeah, I think you're just over-invested.
	Yep.
	Was that the only one, Harry?
	I'll take that as a yes.
	Kevin says, if you're a foreigner here in Thailand, he is, married to a Thai woman, and your Thai spouse dies, you have seven days to cancel your spousal visa and get a retirement or work visa.
	Failure to get a different visa means that you have to leave or be deported.
	I mean, that's not messing around, is it?
	Seven days?
	That seems a bit harsh, to be honest.
	I don't even think I would go that far.
	I think I'd give people a month, at least.
	I mean, let them get the funeral out the way first.
	And then deport them.
	I'm a lot softer on this.
	If they've been married for like 10 years or something, you can become a citizen, right?
	The point is, you've been married to a time when you can stay for 10 years.
	Seven days.
	You've got to apply their chops, haven't you?
	Where's your spouse?
	You've got seven days to get remarried.
	Oh, Jesus.
	To be fair, you could probably achieve that in Thailand.
	Possibly, but my God.
	Someone online says, ban halal slaughter on animal cruelty grounds.
	Should be pretty simple.
	Yeah, well...
	The British public agree with this, right?
	Yeah.
	You can just show them some halal slaughter and be like, should this be banned or should we have stun slaughter?
	And everyone goes, nope, stun slaughter.
	And yet Nigel Farage looks at people like us and goes, deplorable!
	Yeah.
	It's like, should we be playing wolf noises as they're slaughtered?
	No.
	Probably not.
	Should they be dismembered before they're even killed?
	No.
	Not a fan.
	Not sure that that's going to wash.
	Does the British public care about this?
	Yes.
	If there's one thing the British public, they're kind of autistic about, is animal cruelty.
	They hate it.
	They will allow a million girls to get raped before they'll allow an animal to suffer.
	Well, political class certainly will, yeah.
	Well, the British public are honestly kind of on that train too.
	Like, we're weird.
	I mean, I'm not saying I obviously share the concern for the safety of animals, because I'm British, but like, you know...
	If only we could have as much consideration for vulnerable children as I'm saying.
	I mean, mind you, if we had farms in the middle of Bradford as opposed to primary schools, I'm not sure the goats would be any safer.
	No, I don't think they would.
	But the point being, everyone is, you know, cracks down on animal cruelty.
	If you wanted to make an issue out of it, you could very easily.
	If you were, say, a conservative or a reformed member who was brave and comes out like, say, Rupert Lowe, then you will get thrown under the bus.
	So, you know.
	Stuart says, Fras, like many of the Westminster...
	Yeah, and I mean,
	we all knew...
	We knew kind of in the back of our minds that Farage probably wasn't the guy.
	Like when Elon's like Farage isn't the guy back in January, everyone knew, yeah, Elon's right.
	And we all had that.
	But like I said, it was kind of a Schrodinger's Farage.
	Okay, he's not the guy, but maybe the guys can be around him and they can be allowed to do...
	But also, because he had such total control over the party...
	Is it your best tactic to come straight out against him or to try and steer him in the right direction?
	Exactly.
	The problem with the Rupert Lowe thing is he showed that he could not be steered, he was just as egotistical as ever, and it was like, okay, give up.
	And like I said, it was only a matter of time until it caused him a racist.
	Yeah, which he did.
	Russian says, education...
	Education, education, which was Blair's catchphrase, whereas Lowe's is deportation, deportation, deportation.
	Michael says, when my wife first arrived in the US, the notes on her green card included a statement that she was not permitted to become a ward of the state.
	Yes, our immigration system works.
	It's only the left that muddies the water.
	I mean, that's, again, we just literally have it so if you aren't born in this country, you will never have access to benefits on the NHS, right?
	It's simple.
	And it's so simple and so obvious, and yet that is considered a radical statement in the UK.
	Yeah, it's considered insane.
	Someone who has literally just stepped off a plane onto our shores.
	Benefits.
	Can't they get benefits?
	No.
	Can't they get the NHS?
	No.
	They have to pay for these things.
	In fact, under the Boris wave, they were translating pamphlets into various different languages that they could hand out explaining what benefits you're entitled to the moment you come here.
	Yes.
	Including the moment you come here illegally.
	So you get off the boat, you'd be given a blanket and a hot cup of tea, you'd be ferried to a hotel and you'd be handed a pamphlet explaining how to claim benefits.
	Yes.
	Chase says, the terminal case of balllessness in our mainstream conservative parties must be studied.
	In Canada, our new PM Carney is celebrating how Canada's diversity comes from our British and French and European heritage.
	Meanwhile, Pierre is afraid to say anything against immigration and it's increasingly likely that he will lose.
	And this is crazy, isn't it?
	He's not doing it as well, is he?
	So basically, in Canada, the Liberals, who have been in power for like a decade now, however long, and who are directly responsible for...
	Absolutely screwing up Canada.
	And now, like, massively ahead in the polls because Trump came out and was like, I'm going to take over Canada.
	And so now the liberals have become ultra-nationalist right-wingers.
	And it's just, like, just pathetic.
	Kevin says, yeah, he says, there's a clear right-wing populist path to victory hanging right before us.
	All that's needed is someone who would actually wield it unapologetically.
	Yes.
	Unfortunately, I like Polivare, but he's like a Nigel Farage.
	He's a reform character.
	Whereas Rupert Lowe is a Trump character.
	Does Canada have a Lowe?
	Yeah, they do.
	Maxime Bernier, and he's great.
	That's the one I like.
	Even though he's French, I really like him.
	And unfortunately, the Canadian Conservatives completely sidelined him.
	He split off to form his own party.
	I guess I have 5% in the polls now or something like that.
	But now the Canadian Liberals are going to just rule Canada until the sun burns out.
	Western countries are quite good at containment.
	Yeah, we're terrible.
	We're absolutely terrible.
	Kevin says, when you said the R-bomb, I was hoping that Nigel said remigration.
	Yeah, no way.
	No way.
	Could be a very different hard hour bomb.
	Sophie says, them, you're racist.
	Me, I just watched a video with a Muslim Arab having a whole speech about how the West is uncivilized because we wipe our butts after being in the toilet.
	So until they change their mind...
	Kulain says, no lovelier word than deport.
	Lord Nerevar says, if the Tory party is now Labour from 2016, reform is just the Tory party from 2016.
	Totally cucked and inexorably sliding towards total betrayal.
	Yes.
	The worst part is they'll probably actually form the next government, but the betrayal is already here.
	Yeah, but that's the point.
	Even if Nigel wanted to do right-wing things, without competent, experienced people around him, he's not going to get anything done.
	We all understand that.
	And that's the crux of Ben Habib's critique of what Nigel Farage is doing.
	But there's no indication Nigel wants to do anything.
	Nigel will work to improve the GDP.
	Well, this is the thing that a lot of the remaining reforms reporters are getting wrong when they're sort of coming back on us.
	They're saying, oh, it's our opportunity to change the government.
	We're not interested in changing government.
	We're interested in changing the direction of the government.
	The state.
	Yes, state.
	And Farage has made it very clear he has no intention of changing the direction of the country.
	He only wants to change whose...
	Who's in charge of the train while it carries on the tracks down the same route?
	I mean, like, Farage could literally come out and say, look, I'm going to make the very concept of a quango illegal, right?
	So, vote for me, and there'll be no non-democratic governmental entities, right?
	Because the issue, and Liz Truss has been quite strong on this, saying, look...
	Every quango is taking power away from the elected representatives in Westminster into an unaccountable body that will just continue to advance the Blairite agenda forever and continue to calcify the state so it's more difficult to change in future.
	Any serious reformer would have to say, right, no, the quangos have to go.
	They have to go.
	They are part of the reason this country is going to hell in a handbasket.
	Just every single one of them is just nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke, right?
	You could legislate for it on day one if you wanted to.
	Farage has not said a goddamn word about this.
	Like, not one word.
	What reform does he even plan to do?
	When you say reform, he means the state, right?
	You must mean the constitution of the state.
	He's reforming.
	And yet Farage is silent.
	There's nothing on this.
	And so it's really, really disappointing.
	And yes, we're going to have another Boris-style missed opportunity, right?
	Entirely possible, Farage gets like 380 seats or whatever Boris got.
	Nice, strong, thumping majority.
	Right, okay.
	Good majority, good mandate, I can do anything I want, I'm going to betray everyone and ruin the country, says Boris, and Faraz is just like, hmm, maybe I can do that.
	Because he won't have any talents in his party, because he's chased away any hint of talent, he'll just get yes-men, he'll have to put them in ministerial positions, and the established mandarins will run absolute rings around them,
	and it will basically be ruled by the deep state.
	And it'll be very similar to Trump's first term, where Trump didn't know what he was getting into, and you can't blame him, really.
	He wasn't a politician.
	He was a businessman.
	He was a TV show host.
	Gets in and realizes, oh, I can't do anything.
	These people are going to block me, investigate me, persecute me, and I'll spend four solid years getting very little done.
	I recommend another Brokonomics.
	The Brokonomics I did with Tony Blair on his book, On Leadership.
	If you go through that book on leadership, he was so focused and so driven.
	When he came into government, he had a plan from day one.
	And, you know, the civil servants turned up and said, OK, how can we implement your agenda?
	And he was like, yeah, you're not in charge of it.
	I've brought my own people in.
	I've set up my teams.
	They're going to be coming to you and telling you what to do.
	But I'm not leaving you in charge of doing any of this.
	That is exactly what we need.
	We need a Tony Blair on the right.
	Basically, who comes in and drives change.
	Interestingly, look at Trump's second term.
	Trump has done exactly what he needs to do.
	And the fact that Farage is not learning from Trump is kind of crazy because Farage is getting on a bit now.
	He's only got one real opportunity to get this done and he's not going to get anything done.
	What you need to do is Farage should be reaching out to Trump's people and saying, okay, send me somebody who was there at the planning stage.
	Send me Stephen Miller.
	Yes.
	Send me Stephen Miller.
	That's who he wants.
	And let him show us how to build a British version of this plan.
	You could literally just have one phone call with Stephen Miller and probably get 90% of what you needed.
	But even then, you don't even need a Stephen Miller.
	It's actually not rocket science.
	Look at all this anti-democratic Blairite nonsense.
	Just strip it out.
	It'd be very easy to actually identify things that need to go.
	Anyway, Finn says, Starmer approval has bottomed out and it seems to be coming back up.
	Farage can't coast forever.
	Yeah, this is another thing.
	I forgot to include it in my segment.
	But weirdly, Tom Harwood made a good point.
	Like, actually, Reform's dipping in the polls slightly.
	Like, two weeks on or a week and a half on from the Rupert Lowe stuff.
	Like, okay, yeah, in the first weekend, it didn't have an effect.
	But now it's starting to dip.
	And it's like, right, okay, who knows where that goes, right?
	Because if Frost continues portraying his own base, eventually the influencers who talk to the base on a daily basis, they were like, this isn't happening.
	This is not happening.
	Look what he's doing.
	Massive self-inflicted.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Oh, look, he's bringing in Labour communists now.
	You know, and literal immigrants.
	Is this what...
	Well, at least he brought in one nationalist.
	He just happened to be a Bangladeshi nationalist.
	Yeah, and like I said, I can completely respect Bangladeshi nationalism in Bangladesh.
	Yes.
	But anyway, we're out of time there, so thank you for joining us, folks.
	Do you have Brokonomics afterwards?
	I do, yes.
	You'd think I'd know the schedule better, wouldn't you?
	But that's why other people are here, so I don't have to.
	Anyway, thank you for joining us, folks.

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