Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Caesars episode 1061 today the 11th of December 2024 I'm your host Connor joined by Harry and Josh and Hello!
Lads, line-up's back.
It's going to be a fun one.
We're going to be discussing the cousin marriage party that's appeared in the UK Parliament.
Don't you just love diversity?
It's always going to happen.
Shalom alaikum.
Daniel Penny not guilty verdict.
That's going to be a nice white pill.
And then a year's review of Monkey News.
You haven't accidentally churned on the Joe Rogan experience.
You are still listening to the Lotus Eaters.
Before we start, we have two...
Josh is waiting for his invitation.
You do remind me of Helen Le Bonham Carter in Planet of the Apes 2001. You said before we came live that you were feeling chaotic, and I didn't realise just how chaotic you were feeling.
You're in for it today.
I am not sufficiently caffeinated, so this is going to be fun.
Right, first announcement, we have a subscription donation feature on the website, so in time for Christmas, if you would like to donate a subscription to someone who isn't yourself, and you should buy yourself a Christmas present by subscribing, To Lotuses.com for as little as £5 a month.
You can also gift a subscription.
We advise the £30 one because then people get to talk to us.
Yay!
You can gift it to someone else.
So you can go and do that on the website.
And you should gift a subscription because we have lots of good content on the website.
Not just all the legacy content from Contemplations or Harry's long-standing essay series and Comics Corner.
But also my weekly series because it's a Wednesday.
It's Thomson Talks.
3 o'clock this afternoon.
It's only going to be until 4 o'clock this week because I'm a very busy man.
But...
This week we're discussing how Islamists influence the UK government, looking at a brand new report from a former counter-extremism advisor who worked at the Home Office whose sister just so happened to run Raikou at the same time.
Very in the family, this podcast, isn't it?
Consistent theme.
Fun!
And without further ado, let's move on to that.
I want to give one little thing to the audience.
On the sort of content that we've got coming up, you mentioned my long-standing essay series.
Well, part two of my Queer History series is currently in the doc being edited.
Now, it is going to take a little while because Jack, the editor, and I are aiming for it to be probably the most high-quality edited product on the website.
So it will be very, very high quality.
It will take a little bit longer, but it is on its way and it will be worth the wait.
So keep your eye out for that.
Excellent.
Looking forward to that.
Speaking of sexual degeneracy...
We have a new party in the British Parliament.
That is the Cousin Marriage Party.
Not an official name.
They're probably still workshopping it.
I wish I was exaggerating.
One of these names in the founders is not like the others.
Of course Jeremy Corbyn jumped straight in.
Jeremy Corbyn has never met an Islamist he doesn't like, and I think that's fair to say, because these four independent Muslim MPs, plus Jeremy Corbyn, former leader of the Labour Party, who's now an independent MP, Ran on a pro-Gaza ticket.
Now, Gaza, Palestine, etc., being run by the Palestinian Authority and Hamas.
Hamas is a prescribed terrorist group in the UK, so if you're agitating for them, yes, you're an Islamist.
The members of the Independent Alliance are five MPs, so bear in mind, at all times, there are five independent Muslim MPs, including Jeremy Corbyn, in the UK Parliament.
That's the same number of MPs as Reform has.
So, for all the talk of reform doing well, and I hope they do, and I hope they become the party that we want them to, because we all voted for them at last election, they are currently neck and neck with Hamas-supporting MPs.
So that's the state of British politics.
The five MPs in question are Shokrat Adam, Jeremy Corbyn, Adam Hussein, Ayyub Khan, and Iqbal Mohamed.
All very good British names.
Thank you.
Yeah, that last one's really guttural on the throat, and I'm going to be saying his name quite a lot in this one, because he is the...
Leader, I suppose, of the cousin marriage.
He's not a former client of Keir Starmer, is he?
I don't think any of them are, no, but you would be forgiven for thinking with the names that Sadiq Khan had done them a favour in the legal system at one point.
Now, these MPs are currently a disaggregated group of independents that all seem to vote along the same lines.
As of January, they're going to become a party.
Now, we don't know what the party's going to be called...
But given their key issues, I think Cousin Marriage Party isn't too far from the question.
And I think they're going to get a lot more MPs as well, because there are still multiple Labour MPs, I think it's about seven, who have had the whip suspended because they voted against Keir Starmer on the winter fuel allowance, and these include...
John McDonnell, who was Jeremy Corbyn's old Chancellor, and Zahra Sultana, the completely demented student politician.
Not to be confused with...
Who's the other one?
Nadia Whitton, the Right Honourable Member from the Suntaran Homeworld.
Anyway, all of these people are absolute freaks and they're in our Parliament and they might end up joining this weird coalition.
So, their key policy issues have been brought to light this week because Richard Holden, who...
I can only describe as a pretty disastrous former party chairman who tried to parachute himself into a safe seat and then sent the wrong leaflets out.
He's currently doing a sort of career rejuvenation attempt by bringing forth a bill on Tuesday to ban first cousin marriage.
Now you might be...
Yeah, you're from Devonshire.
Yeah, this is West Country discrimination.
Our people will not be oppressed.
I was already pro it...
You might be surprised that first cousin marriage isn't banned in this country because it's been banned in various countries, including the Roman Empire and by the Catholic Church since about the 6th century and other European countries.
No, it turns out that in this country it was banned and then it was unbanned by Henry VIII. Makes sense.
But he didn't even marry his cousins, did he?
Oh, he did.
Yeah.
Really?
The names in the actual debate, which I'll read out in a moment.
Oh, right, okay.
Like many things that have gone wrong in religion with this country.
No, the independents aren't using Henry VIII to try and justify why it shouldn't be banned, are they?
We believe in the true culture of British history.
Well, he did have multiple wives, so, you know...
And he killed some of them.
That's true, yeah.
Beheaded them as well.
The representative of the Tudor party, Iqbal Muhammad.
Yes.
So, Richard Holden has put this bill forward.
Basically, what happens is, he gets time as a Member of Parliament to propose a bill to be tabled.
So, this was the initial tabling.
then there would be, if it's been agreed upon, a motion to vote on it, and then it would get a second reading, and then it would pass Parliament and go to the Lords, and then be enacted.
So we have a very long legislative process in this country.
I'm not sure if you're going to point it out, but would it be worth pointing out that there's a sort of balkanisation incentive for the Conservatives to do this, as in an electoral reason?
Because, of course, specific religions have specific voting blocs.
The Muslims vote Labour, or increasingly independent.
I know they're losing that market now.
Obviously the Hindus vote Conservative.
The Sikhs vote Reform.
The Sikhs predominantly vote Conservative.
The Reform are trying to capture the Sikhs.
There's at least a sort of, they're more Sikh than...
Do you want some insight into Reform's electoral strategy with the Sikhs?
Sure.
So a donor was told by someone who looks at data, actually the Sikhs are a winnable constituency for Reform.
And the donor said, oh yeah, of course, because they're family values.
And he said, no, because they hate Muslims.
They don't get it.
They don't get it yet.
But anyway, continue.
But yeah, the Conservatives, if they're seen to be targeting Islam and therefore the Labour Party, then it's going to galvanise their Hindu base.
And of course, Indians being the main group emigrating to Britain.
And so, they're slowly winning over these people, and eventually they're just going to be the Hindu party, or something akin to it, and there's a strong incentive to target Islam.
So, sort of, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Well, you've certainly identified the exoteric reason for the bill.
The esoteric reason being given out, sorry, the other way around, the esoteric reason is to target Islam.
The exoteric reason is medical necessity.
Oh, of course.
That's quite a weak argument.
That's true, but I like Josh's esoteric reasoning that we're going to turn into India versus Pakistan.
We already are.
I know, but kind of overtly now.
It'll just be part and parcel of British politics.
There were two factions fighting, weren't there, over Syria.
So the pro-Assad forces and the anti-Assad forces fighting on our streets.
Sorry, do carry on.
We had the Pakistani Muslims and the Indian Hindus fighting in Leicester over a cricket game.
So, the Conservatives are becoming the Brahmin Party and Labour and the Independent Cousin Marriage Party are becoming the Pakistani Islamic Party.
There is one worry about if it were to split the vote like that, where Muslim blocs might go more towards voting for their independent candidates, who are more explicitly on their side than Labour.
With Labour in charge already, it might just encourage them to go even more pro-Islam than they already are.
I'm surprised it's not happened already, to be honest.
There are two aspects, you know, of the Labour Party that are completely incompatible.
Islam and wokeism.
You know, Islam doesn't really go in for that sort of stuff, does it?
Hang on.
In fact, it's very much anti.
Are you implying that the Muslim councillor shouting Allahu Akbar, which I think is recycling in Arabic, doesn't care about the environmental issues of the Green Party?
Are you proposing that?
Maybe.
They might only care about the green section of the Palestine flag, perhaps.
Anyway, so the details of this are...
Richard Holden, who is the MP for Basil and Billerickey, will seek to introduce the Marriage Prohibited Degrees of Relationship Bill to the House of Commons, and that was on Tuesday, for further consideration.
So he announced this on Twitter and did a poll, and not that Twitter polls are great barometers for public opinion, though maybe, judging by the Trump election, they are.
21,000 votes.
Ban it.
The issues of it are huge.
Ban it, I already thought it was, were clear winners.
Keep first cousin marriage, because Islamic Twitter must have found the poll late, was 5%.
West country and Muslims, basically, that is.
This is the most webbed handshake of all time.
Leave my fingers out of it.
Robert Jemmerich also announced support for this, so again, if you had him as the leader of the Conservative Party, it would Be in a healthier place, but no, you had to elect Kemi Badenoch.
Dan Carden, Claire Cathino, David Smith, Neil O'Brien, Lee Anderson, Andrew Snowden, John Lamont, Nick Timothy, Katie Lamb and Laura Trott were all present and decided to say yes, we support this bill during the vote.
And on the day, even though he wasn't present in the Parliamentary Chamber because he was occupied with other business, Rupert Lowe tweeted out, cousins shouldn't be marrying each other, obviously.
So, we've got a cohort of MPs.
Just if we couldn't make it more clear.
London City types telling us country folk how to behave.
Terrible.
So, important statistic.
As you said...
Is this really for medical reasons or is it targeting a particular community, as the word has become?
This was from last year in last November.
The BBC delivered the jubilant news that fewer cousins are marrying in the Pakistani community.
Emphasis on the word.
What old headline.
Published on my birthday as well, that's nice.
Oh, nice present.
There you go.
That's not a great birthday present for you though, is it?
Less incest in the world.
Well, it's Pakistani, so it's okay.
Not my relatives.
The BBC pointed out, because they used to report on this sort of stuff, 10 years ago, researchers studying the health of more than 30,000 people in Bradford found about 60% of the babies in the Pakistani community had parents who were first or second cousins.
But a new follow-up study of mothers in three inner-city wards finds the figure has dropped to 46%.
Total victory.
Slightly less than half.
We've got to get those numbers up, boys.
The original research also demonstrated that cousin marriage roughly doubled the risk of birth defects, though they remained rare, affecting 6% of children born to cousins.
So...
There is a particular community here who are obsessed with marrying their first and second cousins, even if it makes their children disabled.
What are you looking at?
I decided very quickly to see what happens if I type in Bradford Man to Google.
The first thing that comes up is a BBC article from four hours ago.
Man, if Sarguza...
Fought with £1 million worth of Class A drugs and jailed, who definitely doesn't look as though his parents might have been related.
He's as British as you and me, you absolute big...
I actually have some stats here for you, if you would like.
Yep, go for it.
This is a different one.
Your stats via me first, and then I've got some more stats.
Excellent.
Well, you tweeted out, because you're a purveyor of hate facts, that first cousin marriage rates in Pakistan are 65%, Saudi Arabia 50%, Afghanistan 40%, Iran 30%, Egypt and Turkey 20%, and in rural Pakistan 80%.
I would like to make a correction here, that Turkey is mostly in the eastern part, which is the Kurds.
Just to throw that out there.
Right.
Because I had lots of angry Turks rightfully pointing out that actually...
The more European types.
Were they all tweeting you from central Berlin, by any chance?
They were.
Lots of Germans.
There you go.
Which far-right website did you get this from?
Oh.
Okay.
Yes, it was a research paper.
It's a published journal.
It's also worth mentioning as well, and this is one of my other tweets.
Very self-aggrandizing today.
You should follow Josh on Twitter.
He's very good.
Thank you.
Wow, that's very nice.
He's alright.
Cheers, Harry.
You're not too bad yourself.
A 2002 study revealed that while Pakistani babies made up 4% of UK births, they accounted for 30% of birth defects.
And in 2013, a larger study found that 37% of babies with birth defects were from Pakistani first cousin marriages, which is 37 times the national average rate of birth defects.
Right.
So, what's important here is, of course, birth defects do matter.
You are, as a parent, making the choice to inflict a lifelong disadvantage on your child, and the child is the only person who doesn't get a say in the relationship, so you should be giving all you can to ensure they're flourishing, so that's wrong.
But, let's say for sake of argument there were sufficient measures to ensure genetic test screening and the quality of life of children with birth defects.
Should we still accept this?
Is it just a matter of medical technology and sufficient government resources or private enterprise resources being allocated to ameliorate the problem of disability?
Or is it gross against our culture and we should ban it because we hate it?
Because I actually think that second one's a much stronger argument.
And I think...
Measures like this are meant to slow down the deleterious cultural effects of Islam, the march of Dawah, the influence of Islam in our institutions, than it is to just prevent birth defects in the abstract.
I think the notion of banning it will be relatively toothless, though.
I think it's a good idea to do as much as we can to stop it.
As much as I am, you know, from the West Country, I do think it's wrong.
And I just think that they'll either go abroad to marry or lie, and it'll be very difficult to prove actually your cousins.
I think we can do this in conjunction with lowering immigration, that'd be quite good.
I don't know if we should discourage fifth columns within the country from being as dysgenic as possible.
It is when we have to pay for it.
Oh, yeah, I suppose so.
And also when marrying your cousin might lower impulse control and increase the likelihood of committing violence against the native population.
True, but Bradford is basically not a British town anymore.
Doesn't mean we should abandon it to the cousin marriage party.
The debate was in Parliament, so there's a transcript, as there are with everything in Parliament, over at Hansard, a very useful resource.
So, Richard Holden gave a speech to propose the law, and he gave a history of the law, and he says, obviously, that members in the House might be surprised that this isn't already banned.
In the middle of the 5th century in England, the Church practised the Roman doctrine on first-cousin marriage.
So, in Rome it was banned in the 1st century, in the 5th century in England it was banned, I think it was the 6th century when the Pope...
Outright banned first cousin marriage.
Imagine still practicing something that was banned in Europe in the first century AD. Also, by the first Archbishop of Canterbury.
So, I mean, we had better Archbishop of Canterbury way back when, turns out.
And in the 8th century, he received a letter from Pope Gregory.
The letter cited Leviticus 18.6, which says that basically a man...
Can't uncover his nakedness near his near kin.
It was an anti-incest thing.
So it was instantiating it not just in England, but in the broader domain of the pontificate.
So the Church has been very clever against this, and this has been cited as one of the reasons by certain genetic experts like Dr. Jonathan Anomaly, who we've had on the show before, of why Europe was capable of developing a level of civilisation that other places in the world couldn't.
Now, this thousand-year tradition continued until 1540, when King Henry VIII broke with Rome, it's all been downhill since, and legalised cousin marriage between first cousins so he could marry Catherine Howard, his fifth wife, and the cousin of his second wife, Anne Boleyn.
It's the Protestants' fault, then.
Absolutely, as per usual.
How did I know?
He also ended up killing both Catherine Howard and Anne Boleyn by guillotine.
That's a hell of a family spat, isn't it?
Yeah, quite.
So it could be said that Henry VIII is our first Muslim king.
There you go.
Anyway, so it's not been changed since.
And then he talks about the rates here.
So, in the Oxford Journal of Law and Religion, cousin marriage is practiced by about 10% of the world, most prevalent in the Middle East, West Africa and North Africa, where we're getting all of our new migrants from.
The practice varies enormously within countries and culture, reaching its highest levels of 80% in parts of rural Pakistan.
In China and Western countries, it's less than 1%.
And he says, certain diaspora communities have extremely high rates of first cousin marriage, with a rate to 20-40% among Irish travellers, and higher rates among the British Pakistani community.
And this is worrying because the grandparents of these migrants in the Pakistani community have lower rates of cousin marriage than the second and third generation descendants who were born here, who are still entrenching the clan.
So it's getting worse.
Great.
Love that.
But here's the real reason for the bill.
And he says this, quote,
So,
So, basically, he wants to break down the Pakistani Muslim enclaves who hate the native population by forcing them to marry outside of their tribe.
Well, one of the interesting things that you brought up about Jonathan Anomaly, I think in other anthropological work, you'll have to correct me if I get this entirely wrong, Josh, but I think it was Ed Dutton did a recent post talking about how inter-familial marriage...
Was one way that societies, more old societies and foreign societies, keep their tribal bonds closer.
Because if ethnic groups exist as extended family groups in one way or another, actually having it so that you can see the family bonds between each of these people means that you're more likely to be loyal to each other.
Well, royal families, right?
The royal families, for instance.
So the fact that the West broke away from that kind of behaviour...
Almost 2000 years ago now, is one of the reasons why we're less tribal and more individualistic than other societies across the world.
Because of the fact that we exist as, yes, a larger family community, you could say, but the family bonds are much more disparate than they are in somewhere like Pakistan, where, yeah, it's more than likely that you're going to run into any number of family members.
It's almost like he watched that video because that gets cited by the member of the Cousin Marriage Party in Parliament.
According to Ed Dutton.
He says, yeah, this is happening and it's a good thing.
So you could argue, based on that, if you're saying that it's more practiced among the second and third generations, it's those generations' way of trying to maintain their tribal bonds.
That's the reason why he said we shouldn't ban it.
Yeah.
You raised the royal family as well.
Quick thing.
Most people will go, well hang on, how is it not a British tradition if the royal family are doing it?
I mean, first of all, the most recent example of first cousin marriage was between Victoria and Albert in the 19th century, and that led to a lot of birth complications.
She had to be heavily drugged up to even give birth in the first place, and a lot of her children had problems.
And then, I think it was second cousin marriage between Elizabeth and Philip, which...
Yeah, bad enough.
One need only look at a portrait of one of the Habsburgs to know that it's not a good idea, right?
Yeah, and they didn't exactly govern the whole of Europe very well.
But in terms of the clan-like structure, here are the disadvantages.
So I did a write-up of basically the grooming gang cases recently that we've covered on the show, and I found an interesting quote from a chap.
Called Muhammad Shafiq.
His three cousins were jailed as part of the Rotherham Grooming Gang trials.
And he said, and I quote in here...
I'm just trying to find the actual...
Quote in a moment.
I've already skimmed over some horrific quotes there.
So he said that the crimes of the Hussein brothers, his cousins, represent a stain on the Pakistani community that can never be scrubbed away.
And for this reason, some British Pakistanis have deliberately buried their heads in the sand and see any of us who try to tackle this problem as siding with the white enemy.
The sad reality is that in the case of on-street gang grooming, there is an over-representation of Pakistani men.
Until British Pakistanis accept that this is a problem for our community, we will not be able to eradicate this evil.
Burying our head in the sand as the usual response is not good enough.
So basically, the intermarrying family clan structure of British Pakistanis has created a cover-up culture so that they know that their brothers, friends, fathers and cousins are going out and sexually abusing white British working-class girls.
And they stay silent because of the family pressures because they know they're going to be intermarrying.
Blood runs thick, doesn't it?
Unfortunately so.
The other thing that I'd like to highlight from this is that it's all very good and well to say that you need to stop burying your heads in the sand.
What if it is not that they're necessarily burying their head in the sand but just that they don't even see it as evil in the first place because it is the white enemy that they're targeting?
That was the motivation of a lot of them, yes.
Exactly.
And so that perception of it being in-group, out-group is, let's say, further entrenched.
It's also impossible to really get rid of.
You know, you have lots of these tests that try and test for unconscious bias, and all it does, and to mitigate it as well, all it does is make the effects more prominent because it makes them more salient in people's minds.
And so your preference for people genetically proximate to you is one of the most entrenched aspects of human nature possible.
You can't really make it disappear because it's what determines your preferential treatment of your family and, you know, it does extrapolate to wider society as well, the further away you get.
But that is probably, your bond with your family is the strongest instinct you should have.
And trying to fight against that is a losing battle, in my opinion.
Which hopefully means that if this were to pass, people that would want to marry their cousins and not have those marriages disrespected, because you would need to say that if you have married your cousin, you're not allowed to come to Britain because that's committing a criminal act.
They have to go abroad, marry there, stay there, or the very limited numbers of people who the native population themselves would want to marry, which is a very slim minority anyway, organically, Would intermarry and break up the clan structure.
Or, if you try and marry a cousin, you've committed a crime and you get deported.
That's beneficial.
The lone dissenting voice on this entire debate, and we return to Mr. Iqbal Muhammad, I'm just gonna play his contributions, because...
I can't accurately summarise that.
There are documented health risks with first cousin marriage and I agree this is an issue that needs greater awareness on.
Virginity testing, forced marriages and the freedom of women must be...
Forced marriage must be prevented and the freedom of women must be protected at all times.
However, the way to redress this is not to empower the state to ban adults from marrying each other, not least because I don't think it would be effective or enforceable.
Instead, the matter needs to be approached as a health awareness issue and a cultural issue where women are being forced against their will to undergo marriage.
In doing so it is important to recognise for many people this is a highly sensitive issue and in discussing it we should try to step into the shoes of those who perhaps are not from the same culture as ours to better understand why the practice continues to be so widespread.
An estimated 35 to 50% of all sub-Saharan African populations either prefer or accept cousin marriages, and it is extremely common in the Middle East and in South Asia.
The reason the practice is so common is that ordinary people see family intermarriage overall as something that is very positive, Something that helps build family bonds and helps put families on a more secure financial foothold.
However, as is well documented, it is not without health risks for the children of those relationships, some of whom will be born out of wedlock.
Instead of stigmatizing those who are in cousin marriages or those inclined to be, a much more positive approach would be to facilitate advanced genetic test screening for prospective married couples, as is the case in all Arab countries in the Persian Gulf, and more generally, to run health education programs targeting those communities where the practice is most common.
I would therefore urge the House to vote against this motion and to find a more positive approach to addressing the issues that are caused by first cousin marriages, including the health risks and the consequences of modern conflicts and displacement of population around the world.
Thank you.
So translation, support all of my foreign policy ventures that empower Islamic states.
Also, pay more money for genetic test screening to ensure that my children don't come out with birth defects because I want to shag my cousin.
Money please.
Money please.
I mean, I was half expecting him to get up and go, listen, my parents are cousins and I turned out alright.
Mr. Speaker, my cousin is incredibly attractive.
You can't expect me to abide by this law.
That was another good one.
Put yourself in the shoes of people from other cultures and presumably...
But they don't wear shoes.
Think of...
Think of your own sexy cousins out there.
What you would like to do to them.
You're right.
Then you'll understand where we're coming from.
It was an incredible argument to not bring any of those people here ever and to send them home so they can live married to their cousin.
But I just wanted to pause it on this.
Again, if you would have...
Ten years ago, done this as a skit.
One lone Muslim MP arguing around a bunch of bored, confused, native white British politicians wondering why the hell they're even having this debate and say this is where multicultural is going to bring us.
You couldn't get a more...
It was a great foot.
I liked how he took a pause and that MP on the left there thought it was over and then as soon as he realised he was speaking again he reached for his phone and was just like, I'm done.
Now, what's important to note here for those who aren't studied up on their Quran, like myself and Josh, verse 423 and 3350 actually permits the marriage of first cousins, because it turns out that Muhammad's seventh of ten wives was his first cousin.
Very convenient revelation.
How old was this one?
Above age, unlike Aisha.
Oh, okay.
So a very convenient revelation for Allah to have bestowed upon Muhammad, because, you know, it'd be terrible if scripture didn't support him marrying his first cousin.
This is Zainab bint Jash, and she is considered the mother of believers.
So she's basically like the Islamic Mary, but with more incest.
So that's why they decided to defend that.
This is a purely foreign ideology and we should ban it.
The problem is we have people who enjoy said foreign ideology running the Covenant government because Robert Jenrick decided to ask his counterpart, Justice Minister Shabana Mahmood, whether or not she'd want to ban it.
Completely deflected.
Downing Street themselves said that they have no plan to legislate against cousins marrying.
Said that Guido Fawkes, Keir Starmer himself, has no opinion on cousin marriage.
The blank slate.
Just like he has no dreams, no favourite films, no favourite books.
Oh, in a monologue.
He's probably colourblind.
Yeah.
It's just he's grey.
He's kind of like a dog.
So we might be laughing about this.
But less lovable.
It would be great if this could be tabled and passed as legislation, because it might help to slow down the growth of this constituency for the Cousin Marriage Party.
Because it is growing, because as I reported last week, Mohammed is now the most popular baby name in England.
So, we can look forward to the Cousin Marriage Party probably governing Britain into the future.
Right, we've got some rumble rants.
We need a wheelchair for every Mohammed, don't we?
Also, it says on the screen we've got here, stream is over, displaying two cached rants.
Is everything alright?
Oh, okay.
That's alright then.
No worries.
$5 for the engaged few.
Connor, if you guys want increased website revenue...
It's gone!
It's gone.
There it is.
You should leave the shilling to Josh.
His dulcet voice and amiable speaking style could persuade the IOC to make puppy kicking an Olympic sport.
Is that saying I'm shit at my job, basically?
You're not as good a salesman, apparently.
No, it's somebody who is apparently a fan of ours simping for Josh.
Yeah, this is Luna's alt account.
I could persuade anyone to part with their cash if I so wish, but I don't wish it.
I want you to be responsible.
Stop telling your girlfriend from sending in super chats.
Right, Dogbreath the Third.
I have Norfolk on the phone.
Where do siblings stand?
Josh, this is your area of expertise again.
I feel like siblings is too close.
I think they probably have an excellent centre of gravity with the suction cups on the bottom of their feet.
Bobo Bad.
I like to refer to South Park for wisdom here.
This could be...
I'm not reading that out.
Shut your effing face, Uncle Effer.
There you go.
I remember that episode.
I don't.
I remember the song, but I can't remember anything else about the episode.
I do remember Miss Chokes on Dick, one of the early recurring characters.
Can we move on?
I think we should move on.
Alright.
So I've got good news, everybody, which is that Daniel Penny is not going to prison.
Good.
There you go.
It turns out that thing that he did which was defending the other people around him was not illegal in New York yet and so he will not be punished for it and this was after quite a long trial after a lot of trouble initially with the jury selection because there was the worry that they weren't going to get jurors who would be able to empathize with the situation that he was in.
And this is after the jury were left at a deadlock as well regarding one of the two charges, which was a second-degree manslaughter, which the prosecutor, a woman called Daphna Yoren, decided to drop, which seemed to have been, for the prosecution, the fatal flaw.
Because that left the jury at a deadlock, but on the charge of homicide, intentional homicide, it was obvious.
It was obvious that clearly he wasn't trying to murder.
Well, after he left the scene was when he died.
So if it was intentional homicide, it's a bit of a tough sell, isn't it?
It certainly was, especially given some of the other information that seemed to have come to light during the trial.
But I'll go over that in a moment.
So they deliberated for five days before declaring him not guilty.
Even that is a bit long.
That's ludicrous given...
The interview footage that we've seen of Penny cooperating with the police officers, eyewitnesses saying that he saved us, the people that helped him restrain Jordan Neely on the ground because Neely had been walking up and down as a complete schizophrenic homeless drug addict saying, I'm going to kill people, I'm going to go to jail, I don't care.
Should never have been prosecuted in the first place, but the fact that it was brought to trial should have been an open and shut case.
Well, it's an Alvin Bragg.
Prosecution.
He's the one who brought the case forward.
Doran...
I'm just going to have to remind myself.
Daphna Yoren, I think, is an assistant DA. So she was the one prosecuting it.
So this was, as you would expect in New York, entirely politically motivated because it was a white man seemingly attacking a black man.
Therefore, it had to be racially aggravated.
Therefore, there is no excuse for it.
So we had to bring it forward.
The problem is that as the law still stands, turns out you're allowed to defend other people.
Do you think that the reason that they deliberated for so long is the fact that after Floyd, they thought, well, if we don't make this guy take the fall for this, they're going to burn New York to the ground?
Possibly, but I don't think the energy is there anymore, because that has been some protest, but nothing on the scale of George Floyd, especially because the footage of the incident came out basically straight away, whereas the police footage of the George Floyd incident was held back for almost nine months, if I remember correctly.
I think it came out in December of 2020, or maybe even January of 2021, so there was a lot of time Where we didn't see that footage, and the only footage that was available of George Floyd's death was the one that initially got released on social media where it looked as though Derek Chauvin was kneeling on his neck.
Of course, there are a lot of other comparisons to make with the George Floyd case as well, particularly...
The actual reason that Jordan Neely died.
But I'll get to that in a moment in this BBC article.
They also mention that Mr Neely's father, Andre Zachary, was removed from the court after the verdict because he began shouting and you could hear chants of no justice, no peace heard from outside, from protesters.
Despite this, the actual courtroom supposedly applauded after the verdict was read out and Zachary, Neely's father again, It hurts.
It really, really hurts.
What's gonna happen to us now?
I've had enough of this.
Why was Mr. Zachary not around to save his son from being a vagrant drug addict on the streets of New York?
And why was he not married to Jordan Neely's mother, who, as far as I understand, that Jordan Neely's schizophrenic trauma was onset by the fact that his mum was murdered by an abusive ex-boyfriend and her body was left by the side of the road in a suitcase?
Yes, that was when he was 13 years old.
There's not much that I've seen reported on Jordan Neely's father's involvement in his life after that, because most of the rest of the information that we know about Jordan Neely is one, as they mention in this BBC article, that he was a Michael Jackson impersonator who performed in Times Square.
Oh.
Well done to him.
Well, he died of a drug overdose, so he's doing a pretty good Michael Jackson impression.
Certainly he is.
But, the only other things that I've seen consistently reported about him was all of his run-ins with the law.
Like, again, they say in this article, it is one sentence after another in the same little paragraph.
It's quite funny, sadly.
Mr. Neely was a Michael Jackson impersonator who performed in Times Square.
Ah, how nice.
He had dozens of previous arrests on charges such as evading fares, theft, and assaults on three women.
Upstanding character.
Yeah, so most of what we know is about that.
Also his time spent in psychiatric institutions, which he was actually supposed to be in when this incident took place, but he had gone in, I think spent three weeks in there, and then just walked out.
Just walked out, and then he was able to harass people in public, and before getting himself in this situation.
Now, regarding the actual cause of death, they mention of it in this New Yorker article.
And I'll read through a bit of this here.
So the defence did its best to discredit the determination made by Cynthia Harris, one of the city's medical examiners, of the cause of Neely's death, which she put as compression of the neck via chokehold.
If Neely hadn't died from Penny's chokehold, but from another cause, any other cause, then a reasonable jury would have no choice but to acquit the defendant.
Stephen Reiser, one of the defence lawyers, who later referred to Penny's chokehold as a civilian restraint, which sounds like a pretty reasonable characterisation to me, pointed out that Harris made her opinion on the cause of death before the toxicology report, the molecular genetic report, the anthropology report, and the the molecular genetic report, the anthropology report, and the neuropathology report had been reviewed.
So shall you watch the video?
She watched the video and said, oh, we choked him out.
That's why.
So that's like the family coroner who made the verdict on the George Floyd case and then the report, the actual autopsy came out and He had zero bruising and compression on his neck or muscles.
He had a high lethal dose of fentanyl.
Three times, yeah.
Let's hear Harris' explanation as to why.
So, Razor asked her, how could you determine whether the results of those tests were unimportant before knowing what the results of those tests were?
She responds, no toxicological result would have changed my opinion.
He could have come back with, you know, enough fentanyl to put down an elephant and I would have just thought that he walked into the subway with a huge amount of fentanyl in his system and then put in a chokehold in which he died.
So it doesn't matter.
The evidence and the logical inference you can take from that does not matter.
He died of a chokehold because I say he did.
That's astounding you'd even admit that.
It's ridiculous.
We know how it operates.
We know that this was just an attempt to have Daniel Penny be the avatar of straight white men in America and be put on trial to condemn America.
As an avatar, given the results, he's a pretty good one.
You mean highly competent, heroic, and good-looking.
Yeah, it works.
But the fact that this woman just said the thing.
She shouldn't be anywhere near this case.
She should be bashing rocks together.
Preferably in a prison.
She should not be making any qualified decisions in a case like this, or at the original point where she was deciding what was the cause of death.
Clearly, she does not have the reasonable, unbiased judgement to make that decision, right?
Because she just said, I decided it because I decided it.
She deliberately tried to send this man to prison.
Basically.
The defence attorneys, for their part, brought forward a different doctor, Dr Satish Chundru, who argued that the cause of Neely's death was the combined effects of the street drug K2, so he was high on this street drug.
I've not heard of it before.
More have I, yeah.
I assume it's some, maybe, fentanyl or opioid.
No, K2 is a mountain.
Also of acute schizophrenic psychosis and physical exertion which all contributed to a death by sickle cell crisis in which one's red blood cells clump together and stop moving, leading in this instance to asphyxiation.
Tickle cell is something that affects black people exclusively, isn't it?
Yes.
So that seems like a much more reasonable explanation for what happened, given that we can see in the footage that was released by the police that Jordan Ely was still breathing after Daniel Penny released the chokehold.
In fact, we could see from the original footage.
Well, the police themselves didn't want to give mouth to mouth to Jordan Neely because they knew he was a homeless drug addict and didn't want to catch HIV. Yeah, that was the reason given by police officers.
Fair enough to them as well.
One of the things they teach you when you do first aid is if you don't like the look of the person, you're not legally obligated to give them mouth to mouth, which I think is a very sensible rule.
They also tried using chest compressions to keep him alive, and he died later on after being removed from the scene.
So why would they have used chest compression-based CPR if he wasn't alive?
And why would you even assume at this point that Penny had much at all to do with the fact that he died?
Because if it was physical exertion, yeah, you could say that being held in that, but he was already physically exerting himself, very agitated, very animated from what they say.
So who's to say that the physical exertion he was putting himself under wouldn't have contributed to the same effect anyway?
As again with George Floyd, where clearly from the police footage that we saw after it was released, he had already begun foaming from the mouth due to a combination of methamphetamine and fentanyl.
He was in a state of excited delirium before he asked to be put on the floor.
Well yeah, he refused to get in the car, didn't he?
That was his choice to do that.
Then he started kicking people.
So thankfully, Penny seems to have got more of a fair hearing than Derek Chauvin did.
And as a result, he celebrated by doing the only thing that he could.
Straight to the bar.
Let's get a drink down us lads.
And it's actually quite wholesome to see.
It's genuinely very nice to see him like this because the whole way through the trial proceedings and the media hysteria up to that point, he'd done a very good job of remaining stoic and remaining measured and presenting himself very well.
And now you get to see him just, you know...
How you feeling?
Yeah.
He's feeling good.
What's up?
Come together.
How's it going?
How's it feel?
Feels great.
He's finally got the justice he's deserved.
Did you think it was going to happen?
Sorry?
Yeah, people were making the joke that, yep, the first thing a free Irishman does, straight to the bar.
Fair point.
I think he is, possibly.
He's part Italian.
Well, part Italian, he's North Italian.
He's totally justified in celebrating the fact that his life was not deliberately ruined by race communists in the American government.
Completely, but another...
Mark, in favour of the character of Daniel Penny and the fact that he is just, in general, a good and honourable person, is this interview that he did with Fox News where he was asked whether he would do it again.
And he responded like this.
I mean, I'm not a confrontational person.
I don't...
Really extend myself.
This type of thing is very uncomfortable.
All this attention and limelight is very uncomfortable.
And I would prefer without it.
I didn't want any type of attention or praise.
And I still don't.
The guilt I would have felt If someone did get hurt, if he did do what he was threatening to do, I would never be able to live with myself.
And I'll take a million court appearances and people calling me names and people hating me just to keep one of those people from getting hurt or killed.
A man lives by his ability to justify himself to his own conscience.
You really can't say more for the man than just to watch that clip and see that it doesn't matter to him what the consequences were.
He was helping people and he was keeping people safe.
So that was the thing at the forefront of his mind and that's still the thing at the forefront of his mind.
So congratulations to him for that.
Some of the reactions have been good.
So Count Dankula, good friend of Justice Dankula, announced that as a result we're having White Boy Christmas.
So that was a good one.
And live footage from the streets of New York, where New Yorkers have realised that it is now safe to traverse the streets if you're white again.
That's MGMT in their college days, isn't it?
It might be.
It definitely is.
I recognise.
It might be, but they were all out on the streets saying, it's safe again, lads.
We've done it.
Be warned that the Penny case will not stop them, because the Carl Rittenhouse case didn't stop them.
No, I know.
I know.
But there was also other aspects of the case, which was this Daphne Yoren character.
She looks like she drank from the wrong cup at the end of Indiana Jones 3. I certainly agree with you there.
But she became a bit of a character in this in herself, if only because of the...
Quite marked comparisons between how Daniel Penny looked and how she looked, but also the Daily Mail reported on some of her previous cases that she'd taken care of.
For instance, this one, if I scroll down, where she had said in 2019...
She had asked for a reduced punishment for Matthew Lee, a 57-year-old man, after he snuck up on a former Lemon College professor, Dr. Young Kun Kim, 87 years old, and killed him over $300 with a fatal blow to the back of the head.
What demographic is Mr. Lee?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Joran said that she saw an opportunity in Lee's case to use the restorative justice program introduced by the former Manhattan DA, Cyrus Vance Jr., as reported by The Gothamist.
I had a murder case where the defendant did not intentionally kill the victim, Joran boasted during an online seminar, so this was one of her proud cases.
And when I got the time, I took the time to learn about the defendant, and I felt really incredibly sorry for him that he had gotten to that point in his life where he felt there was no choice but to commit this robbery, and presumably to kill a man over $300.
That's how much people's lives are worth to Daphne Yoren, apparently.
So in this circumstance, she's able to say, oh, I feel bad for you.
Oh, shock!
Is Matthew Lee...
He's a black man.
I thought so.
That's no surprise.
I heard restorative justice and my spidey senses tingled.
I heard Asian victim and my spider senses tingled.
All of that put together, there was a pattern forming, but it seems that we are undefeated as pattern recognisers, as always.
Unsurprising.
But yeah, so she does this for this guy, but Daniel Penny actually steps in to protect people, and she's like, right, I'm on this case.
So, unsurprisingly, Alvin Bragg's New York, insane progressive assistant DAs and prosecutors going after good people just trying to help the normal, innocent civilians of New York who want to just get on with their day, not feel threatened on the subway.
Well, his election was funded by Soros.
I'm not that surprised.
But, you know, it shouldn't be part and parcel of living in New York or any major city in America or the UK or Europe that you're just expected to be okay with feeling like you could be murdered at any moment.
They're not PvP servers, alright.
No, it's not that part of RuneScape, you know?
But, of course, now you get all of the bleeding hearts come out and say what should have happened.
Well, he needed help.
Jordan needed help and not a death sentence.
We're failing people.
We're failing people like him.
But yeah, as you point out, he did get help.
He refused the help and there was nothing else that you could do about it.
So what are you going to do?
The law enforcement in New York seems to be perfectly fine with these kinds of insane vagrants on the streets threatening people.
So, of course, in that situation, eventually, like what happens, you're going to get a Daniel Penny, step in, try to protect people, not even actively try and hurt the person, just try to restrain him, and then, because of a combination of psychosis, sickle cell, and massive amounts of drugs, you die.
Experiencing homelessness as well in the subtitle.
Again, I just want to point out every single time, it's very insidious how they do this, because it sets man's basic state as the state providing you a bloody mansion.
No, we don't pop fully formed out of the womb into a house.
Was that Locke or Rawls?
Or was it Hobbes?
Rousseau, definitely.
It was Rousseau saying, in state of nature, man was automatically granted some kind of two-story shitbox.
Yeah, quite.
His bug consumption pod.
I don't remember that part.
I didn't read it.
It was between the lines.
All the assumptions about anthropology are always baked in the subtitle and the article, dismiss these nutcases out of hand.
Yeah, there you go.
Everybody is entitled to social housing, at least in London, that's for sure.
Black Lives Matter decided to weep about it.
We need a world where empathy replaces fear and compassion replaces violence.
How about where homeless people can't just freely abuse people on the subway, hey?
In a world that has some justice left in it, apparently.
That's really annoying on the train.
I would be really annoyed by that.
I hate it when people play their music out loud.
It's egocentric freaks who just want to get attention from me.
No, I'm not going to give you any money.
Leave me alone.
If I wanted to listen to Michael Jackson, I have Spotify.
Stop begging for my money that you're going to go spend on drugs.
It annoys me that people even answer the phone on the train, let alone anything else.
Also, BLM, you're irrelevant.
No one cares.
Go away.
All of your prominent leaders sold out, bought their mansions, and moved on.
Give it up.
Nobody cares anymore.
Protesters were on the streets doing exactly what you would expect, but guess what?
No one cares.
There's like ten of them.
Yeah, exactly.
There's a few.
There's a fair few, but not enough, because nobody cares anymore.
Nobody cares.
Everybody who has any sense has looked back at the George Floyd riots and gone, A, that was a disaster that hurt people, got people killed, and destroyed a lot of property.
B, completely unjustified in the first place, because anybody with sense goes, oh, well, he died of a fentanyl overdose.
They don't believe that Derek Chauvin actually intentionally murdered him anymore.
Was Jordan Neely from Palestine?
Because I just want to point out, there's a lot of kafirs and Palestine flags here.
And it's weird that...
This must be that multiracial working class banding together I hear about.
Yeah, because it's strange because a former FBI guy traced all the phones at Kamala Harris rallies and found out that all the crowds at her rallies had been to all of the other rallies.
Loads of people coming from Mexico and Canada.
And loads of people had also had their phones traced to BLM and Palestine marches.
So like they were professional protesters being bussed about, maybe?
Yeah, like a renter mob.
How curious that they get mobilised.
Yeah, that's funny how that happens, isn't it?
Oh well, nothing to see here.
Anyway, the NAACP, even more irrelevant than BLM these days, also did the exact same thing.
But the most entertaining thing, really, was a BLM co-founder, I assume a regional co-founder, a man called Hawk Newsome, not related to Gavin, as far as I'm aware.
Or Tua.
Decided that what we need in response to the law being upheld.
What we needed in response to the law being upheld was black vigilantes on the streets.
Just like everybody else has vigilantes!
We need some black vigilantes!
Isn't that just crime?
Are you sure per capita there are more black vigilantes than any other group?
He's going like, you want 50%?!
We'll make it 60%, how about 70%?!
Hang on, Tariq and Ashida informed Josh the logistics are impossible, so I think they need to convene the elders to discuss how this is going to happen.
Clearly, they're getting organised, okay?
Logistically, it was only 50% so far, but with this kind of leadership, sky is the limit.
So jokes aside, that guy just said, we want race war.
Basically, yes.
How do you have a country with these people?
Yeah, so he needs to go to prison.
You can't.
But for all of the celebration and for everything good that's come out of this, for all of the entertainment, there is still a threat, which is going back to Jordan Neely's father, Andre Zachary, is going to try and take Daniel Penny to civil court.
Over a civil lawsuit for damages done, and I think if I scroll down here, he wants to...
Damages for alleged physical assault and battery.
Okay, right.
And this is obviously an article that came out before the trial had finished, but I've looked and seen that after it, he is still...
Yeah, he's still pursuing it.
You're trying to make money off your son's corpse when you didn't help him out when he was alive?
Yeah.
Right, you're scum.
But the American legal system does allow for something like this, so I imagine that it will go nowhere, but still, even if it goes nowhere, it'll be a very timely and a very costly route to nowhere.
So I can only hope that this gets either nipped in the bud as soon as possible, or that Penny continues to receive the support when it goes to a civil case, because he's not out of the woods yet, folks, because no matter what, this will end up costing more money.
So, if he needs more financial support and there are routes open to donate, absolutely support him in this.
Very good.
Speaking of financial support, we've got three quick rumble rants.
The Engaged Feud, for $5.
Daniel Penny should have left New York so fast that his shadow left skid marks on the wall that wretched city doesn't deserve men like him.
Quite.
It's a shame, though, the idea that you have to forfeit your own city, your own homeland, just because a bunch of violent vagrants and leftists decide to Ruin the place.
Also, another one.
I love Connor's expression while Harry was reading that prosecutor's justification of barbarism.
I think that was the coroner's one I was referring to.
He looked like he wanted to say that.
Well, they're not a hermaphrodite.
I actually said it out loud.
So yeah, well thank you for the $5 anyway.
Bobobad.
K2 is a synthetic cannabis-derived drug.
It can have anywhere between 10 and 100 times the effects of a joint.
To be fair, obviously I've never touched anything like this, but I've heard of similar synthetic cannabis, like Spice in the UK, which I've only ever been told by people, do not touch it, because I've known people at festivals who've known people who've taken it and went crazy.
It's rife in prisons and it's causing real addiction issues.
Josh!
Mouse me, please.
Thank you.
So, I'm going to have to keep it brief, because we don't have a massive amount of time.
But, right.
I think I'm ready.
So, Monkey News.
I promised you, this December, I'm only going to do positive stories.
And that's very much what's going to happen.
And what I'm doing is I'm bringing back a much-beloved series from another show.
Because when Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant, and Carl Pilkington had a show together, they had a Monkey News segment...
And I always really enjoyed them because I like monkeys.
I don't know about you guys.
Monkeys, apes.
I like them.
They're interesting.
Channeling my inner Joe Rogan here.
And I wanted to go over the year's news.
I can't believe you didn't start with the thing.
I'm not going to do it because I respect people's ears because it's really loud.
I'm not asking you to shout it.
I'm not going to.
I might do a little monkey noise later, just to placate you if you want.
That would make me happy, yes, thank you.
Here's something from the European Research Council.
So this is EU-funded research, and they were looking at monkeys.
Who can guess why they were looking at monkeys?
This is the EU, remember?
I'm putting it to the panel.
I'm also going to have a look at the chat.
Who can guess?
Was it testing if monkeys are multicultural?
Because it says, a monkey's perspective on culture.
Oh, you got it in one.
That's cheating, yeah.
I mean, it's the EU, so they're going to try and say, return to monkey means infinite Bermalians.
So...
And that sounds suspect, but that's not what I mean.
Hello, Lotus, it's out of context.
So it says, when an immigrant male shows a habit like opening peanut shells, this can quickly spread throughout the group.
While it is known that monkeys often copy high-ranking individuals or that young monkeys mimic their mothers, learning from immigrant males is less expected because they're usually not well integrated into the group.
Unintentionally snuck a bit of based in there.
Based monkeys.
They don't like multiculturalism.
Just like me.
I'm literally a monkey.
In essence, immigrant males can either conform to the group's existing behaviour or introduce new knowledge that benefit the entire group.
So monkeys are banning cousin marriage as we speak, I suppose.
So you can either get integrated monkey or imperial monkey.
Yes.
That's pretty much it.
But it's funny that the EU was funding this research just like, we need a person in the field studying monkeys so we can understand the state of play of European politics.
The next EU research is going to be, are monkeys racist?
The reason for this is absolutely going to be to manufacture consent for the idea that multiculturalism is man's natural state, because if monkeys are our most common ancestor and monkeys are multicultural, it's ingrained in our anthropology to have these little ethnic satellite states that all hate each other living together under the jurisdiction of the EU. It also carries on to say that high-status males are the ones that struggle most to integrate, which I find putting down masculinity and promoting immigration, terrible.
But anyway, another thing that has happened is this, and I was very surprised to read this headline.
Monkeys save six-year-old girl from a sexual assault attempt in Uttar Pradesh, which, surprising no one, this is a province of India.
Much can be said about how the monkeys actually acted in a more moral way than the person perpetrating it, which is a real condemnation of their moral character.
And this actually led me down a route.
This isn't monkey news.
This is a little tidbit of something else.
No.
Also, I think this was in Kenya.
Ethiopia.
Ethiopia.
Close enough.
Lions save girls from kidnappers.
And so, turns out nature can be more moral than human beings sometimes.
I'm not sure the lions were, you know, they had a moral objection.
This was also 2005. So, yeah, it's fake news that this is this year.
They're big cats.
They've got big hearts.
I also think that if we harness the power of monkeys, much could be done.
There's an article here.
Video shows monkey driving a bus in India.
We'll be more on time than TFL. That's true.
Would you like to see the video?
Are you suggesting we fill the skills gaps?
We can fill the skills gaps with a much less demanding populace.
We pay them in bananas rather than money.
They don't need social housing.
We can put some of them in funny little tux suits.
Tuxedos.
Oh, with little fez.
Yeah, with the fezes.
Yeah.
This is a great plan, Josh.
And of course, they won't cause similar problems because of this.
But here's the video.
Let's have a look, shall we?
Because I was quite impressed, actually.
Here he goes.
I don't know what the music's about.
Some of these I'll probably need to...
I thought I was driving home for Christmas.
Look at him go!
He's even spinning with a wheel, look.
I think he's got a little bit of help there, but he's...
It's nothing that four monkeys couldn't do.
That's true.
If there was another monkey to help him adjust...
One on the gear stick.
Yeah.
I also like that the bus driver was only suspended.
Oh.
It's just like, it's okay that you let a monkey drive in the bus once, but if you do it again, maybe we'll have to fire you.
It reminds me, I don't know if you've got it, there's that video of, I think it's the orangutan in the golf car driving about.
And he goes across the tiger and the tiger is so confused.
I like how it kind of looks at the tiger and sort of smiles to itself as it turns back.
Why is looking at the tiger, you primitive fool?
So, they can also be used for other things.
Here's some Indian street food.
Delicious.
I think the monkey's the most hygienic part of this.
You see, obviously, Messi, a little monkey fella doing the dishes.
Look at him!
Look at him!
He's good!
He gave it a kiss, good look!
He's actually quite a good dishwasher, you know.
He's not got a rag or anything, but he's even reversing time.
That's true.
I mean, he's just adopting the cultural practices of India in not using any hygienic utensils.
Well, not being funny, washing it in dirty water.
Do you remember when we watched those Haitians making those dirt cookies?
Yeah.
He's actually more sanitary.
That is true.
That is a step up.
You're not actually eating dirt.
So, there's also this, which I quite enjoyed.
They're also very useful in taking pictures for people.
Soy Jack Monkey.
Monkey's been denified.
So, they can drive buses, they can wash dishes, they can take pictures for people.
And they can go on Reddit, clearly.
Yeah, apparently so.
He just got bought on Nintendo Switch.
Don't mock him, all right?
No, no, the man behind him got bought the Switch.
That's true.
It came with Zelda as well.
So this is a long-tailed macaque in Bali, and this was April of this year.
I just thought it was quite wholesome.
I don't know how they got it to do it, though, because it looks like it's actually taking the picture for them.
They don't have their hands involved there.
How did that happen?
It must have just been a really well-behaved monkey.
I guess so.
But it's worth mentioning, not all monkeys are that well behaved and nice.
And I personally love the chaos of this video.
It's one of my favourite videos at the minute.
minute.
I've watched it about ten times.
I've seen this before.
I mean, I'll be honest with you.
I just love the chaos of it.
It's wonderful.
Hey, my hotel room.
It does.
Dive into the bath.
And then you're bustling.
Aw, he's giving you a kiss.
You're bustling, boy.
Get over there.
It does make me want to get a monkey, even though it is being a nuisance.
I don't know what it is.
I just feel like I could do more evil with it really.
Look at it go.
Nomad scientist is completely that monkey assistant.
That is true.
You just want to be Barbossa.
No, Josh obviously wants to be- I'm from the West Country as well.
Yeah, there you go.
Look at it.
He's even playing games.
I'm unintentionally selling wires.
That's true.
Stealing towels.
You get the idea.
He looks terrified.
What have I done?
But, they do actually have a sense of humour, we found out.
Apparently, this is a recent study, and I'm going to read directly from the article, great picture as well.
Our results support...
He's got a delayed getting the joke.
He's sat there, confused.
Yeah.
Our results support the idea that teasing in Great Apes is a provocative, intentional and often playful behaviour.
Isabel Laumer, a postdoctoral researcher and lead author of the study, told BBC Science Focus.
It is typically asymmetric and can take different forms with varying proportions of playful and aggressive features.
In all, the researchers identified 18 distinct teasing behaviours.
These include repeatedly waving or swinging objects in the middle of the target's field of vision.
I think we've all done this.
Hitting or poking.
You know, just to be annoying.
This is just describing my childhood.
Staring closely at their face and pulling their hair.
I mean, this does sound like children's behaviour, really, doesn't it?
This just sounds like my daughter.
You've got a little northern monkey in the waiting there.
Yeah, that makes sense.
However, it's not all roses.
So here is a young girl walking home, and she has to have an airsoft machine gun to avoid being attacked and having her food stolen by the little...
It's a shame that it's a cute little monkey there.
Yeah, look at him!
He looks so scared.
Well, to be fair...
Give him some food, love.
Go on.
I know.
This is in Thailand.
But the idea that you've got to actually open-carry an airsoft gun to deter monkeys from attacking you is quite something.
She must be an incredible shot as well.
I know, yeah.
She looks more like she's mugging the monkey.
Give me all your bananas.
You've got them on you.
She's actually trying to hold up the monkey hiding behind the pole there.
She's like...
Trying to mug the little monkey.
But anyway, speaking of India and monkeys, they've actually got monkey machines now.
They've recently installed them as of September to scare away the primates, which they emit a high-pitched noise that the monkeys don't like.
And they stay away from the Taj Mahal because apparently they were harassing tourists because they are, of course, xenophobic.
They don't like foreigners in India.
And...
That's true.
And also, I want to introduce you to this.
What this is, is the biggest ape ever to have lived.
This isn't living.
It's not real now.
This is a reconstruction.
What's he doing with his arm?
I know.
We'll get to that.
Come here often.
No, I mean the other arm.
Is Mussolini somewhere off camera?
There's actually a better one.
There you go.
They mysteriously turned out to be Austrian painter enthusiasts for some reason.
But this is Gigantopithecus blackie, the largest primate ever.
And they were found and discovered in cave deposits in southern China.
And apparently they were 3 metres or 10 feet tall and 200 to 300 kilograms or 440 to 660 pounds heavy.
So they were big.
And they existed between 2.3 million and 255,000 years ago.
So they at least coexisted for 45,000 years roughly-ish.
Sort of porous boundaries there.
With modern, anatomically modern human beings.
Hang on.
Gigantic.
Ginger.
Bit racist.
What?
I'm not Scottish.
But you've admitted you're ginger.
I'm not ginger either.
Definitely ginger.
I'm not ginger.
Deeply closeted ginger.
At least I'm not Irish.
Fair enough.
But there was recently some more research and they used multiple dating techniques.
Luminescence, U-series and ESR and environmental analyses like pollen charcoal and isotopes as well.
To find out that the extinction window was 295 to 215,000 years ago, and apparently there were morphological changes in their tooth size, which suggests rapid dietary change, and therefore climate change.
Apparently the lush rainforest habitat began to recede and this was due to increased seasonality.
And so it's climate change and it couldn't adapt like other things and therefore it slowly began to die out.
So actually this is not climate change propaganda because of course I don't think 300,000 years ago we had fossil fuels.
So it's actually proof of natural climate change killing things and rapid change as well where animals die off.
Just worth pointing that one out.
There's another picture of it being controversial.
So another big story, monkey news, and probably the biggest monkey story of the year.
Big monkey.
Big monkey, yeah.
The big monkey news is this South Carolina story, because of course, not content with the hurricane news.
There was a lockdown in a small South Carolina town after 43 monkeys escaped from a bioresearch lab where they didn't lock the doors properly.
No, I think it's quite cruel to actually use monkeys for bio-research.
Also, this, right around the time they've announced another 28 Days Later sequel?
I know, they're really inviting it, aren't they?
This is just a really elaborate marketing campaign.
Makes sense.
But there were 43 rhesus macaques, and they managed to capture 39 of them, whilst four remained on the loose.
This is as of 19th of November.
And what I did find funny as well is that they were worried that the monkeys couldn't survive, because obviously it's not their natural habitat.
And they found two of them eating peanut and jelly sandwiches when they were caught.
I really like the idea that when they round up all of the monkeys, they're going to get one through 42, and then one just labelled 44. Someone should go around just painting numbers on the monkeys.
I'm not saying I should do that, but...
I also like in this article that they said when they captured these two monkeys that were eating their sandwiches...
Some other monkeys that were still free were taunting the people.
They were making noises around them.
Just like, we're out here, come get us.
And they weren't actually able to get them.
Which is hilarious.
And, you know, four monkeys still free, remember?
And actually, the company that accidentally released them stopped providing updates on the missing monkeys.
So it might mean they're going to be home free, those four monkeys.
And I, for one...
Hope for the best for those monkeys because I want them to be free.
I like the idea that the raccoons in Pompoko where they eventually just morph into humans and start taking on jobs.
They become indistinct.
They'll find one of them in the back of a takeaway washing dishes.
One of the scientists is going to get on a bus and there's going to be four monkeys.
In a trench coat.
In a trench coat, operating it.
Like the Ninja Turtles.
And he's going to do a little double take.
And he's going to go, nah, must be my imagination.
Well, considering they've been taunted by the monkeys and they found them eating better than when they were in the lab, I'd imagine there's a few traumatised people about.
And there's also news about monkeys changing.
You know, monkeys can change.
I'm sure you can one day, Josh.
One day I'll stop dragging my knuckles on the ground.
They're so calloused.
So, we found out recently that marmosettes use distinct calls to address different individuals in much the same way that people use names.
We found that out this year.
And that makes them the first non-human primates to know how to use name-like vocal labels for individuals, which is nice, and we're starting to understand them a bit better.
I don't know what that is around its neck.
It's got a weird...
It looks like if you drop a suite down the side of your car and it picks up all the debris that builds up, that's what it looks like it's got on its necklace.
It also looks like it's got a bit of eyeshadow on.
It does.
It's like the J.D. Vance of the Marmoset world.
It's also worth mentioning as well.
There was a hurricane in Puerto Rico and the monkeys became kinder to each other.
They're actually better than FEMA. They are, yeah.
Rather than the Biden-run FEMA, they actually responded with kindness after a disaster.
I'm going to read here.
Rhesus macaques are native to Asia, but primatologist Clarence Carpenter introduced a colony of hundreds of them To Puerto Rico in the 1930s in an effort to study the creatures closer to his home.
And they say, and this is a direct quote, it's crazy!
Things have changed so much since the hurricane, says Camille Testard, an ethologist at Harvard University.
The monkeys are less aggressive and they form these larger groups and interact with monkeys they've never interacted with.
So it means that after this disturbing thing, the monkeys have realised maybe we should settle our differences.
And they're more pally with each other after they've experienced a hurricane.
Which, if I were a monkey and had no notion of what a hurricane was, and the entire sky started storming at you, I think it would change your perspective.
But it's an interesting little window into the mind of the monkey.
And...
Oh, Samson's saying I have the orangutan in the golf cart video if you want to show it at the end.
I'm happy to have you pull it up at any point, because it might be a good point to end on, actually.
Let's save it to the end.
Yeah, save it for the end.
Okay.
It's also worth mentioning as well that we found out that orangutans...
I don't want to look at the...
Wounded orangutan.
It makes me feel uncomfortable.
But apparently orangutans in the world applied medical plants to heal their injuries, which I didn't know was a thing.
And we found this out recently.
And they say it's possible that they were treating a wound with Fibraru tinctoria began as a fortunate accident, the researchers say, noting that the plant has a potent pain-relieving effect Adding that by applying a poultice, the orangutan's main goal may have been to protect his wound from flies, as in just blocking it out so the flies don't get in the open wound and say lay eggs and things like that, which is something that we have observed in primates.
We haven't seen them actively going out of their way to use medicine and the pain relieving effect would probably make it very much salient in a primate's mind because they still learn through reinforcement and so they will be able to remember and of course they've probably got a much more sensitive sense of smell so they would be able to identify the same species again.
To use it again.
And it also says, because orangutans are believed to keep adding skills into adulthood through social learning, it's possible that the treatment strategy could also spread socially from individual to individual.
Which is very interesting, isn't it?
That eventually orangutans will learn medicine.
We'll have some in the NHS in no time, I imagine.
And then the penultimate thing I want to end on, and this is from 2021, but it blew my mind when I think it was Samson telling me about this, that there was a war between chimpanzees and gorillas.
So, you know, what's it called?
The one where the monkeys take over?
Planet of the Apes.
How did I forget that?
This is all starting to feel very, like, leading up to...
We've had escaped monkeys from a bio lab.
Monkeys are starting to learn how to use medicine.
And language.
And language.
And they're conducting wars on each other.
And they're showing in-group preference.
They are.
Yeah.
It is a great setup.
It's all part of your plan, isn't it, Josh?
I definitely don't have a basement full of monkeys that I'm breeding for war.
That definitely doesn't happen.
I can't wait for the out of context clip on that one.
If you're the government, do not check my basement.
There is not hundreds of cages of monkeys on protein powder and steroids lifting heavy weights.
One of them's escaped!
There's one!
But yeah, apparently there are organised chimpanzee and gorilla wars, apparently, in the wild, which I didn't realise, and it's to the point where they can be lethal.
I don't know what it would look like, because my money would be on the gorillas, because they're bigger and stronger, but they're also more peaceful.
Chimpanzees are more prone to aggression than gorillas are, really.
Surely it depends if the chimpanzees form kind of like gorilla murdering squads and take them out one by one.
Wearing specific coloured shirts and going out and targeting gorillas when they're on their own.
They can also scale trees in higher places easier so they could actually do aerial attacks.
They're throwing bananas like Mario Kart in front of the gorillas and making them slip.
With a comedic...
Right, have we got the orang video?
So did the chimpanzees win then?
Oh, it's ongoing.
This is the war that the US State Department doesn't want you to know about.
Who is the CIA funding?
Well, at least they're funding both sides.
Because that way they get a banana republic.
That was quite good.
Israel's waiting on the sides to claim some territory as well.
The treetops.
So here we are.
This is probably my favourite monkey video, but it isn't from this year.
This is actually the orangutan driving the golf cart here.
I preferred it when they had the Fleetwood Mac track in the background.
And they added in the sound of him indicating as well.
Which I thought was a brilliant edit.
He just looks so casual.
He looks so unfazed.
I wish I was that calm driving.
I thought he was on edge.
So has someone put a brick on the accelerator pedal?
No, he can reach.
What?
No, he can't reach.
His feet are too small.
It's a golf cart.
Are you disbelieving the monkey news?
I love the arm at the top of it.
He's loving it.
It's like Ryan Gosling.
The thing is, he's also preemptively turning the steering wheel before he gets to a corner to get a better turn.
He's seeing the racing lines.
Oh, here we go.
Here's the fateful part.
Here's the tiger.
Wait and see for the little smile when he turns back.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just brilliant.
It's just brilliant.
I mean, this is what we should be doing.
Forget Deliveroo drivers.
I'm a little monkey fella.
At least it would turn up on time.
That's true, yeah.
If you were accident.
I mean, it's cheaper to pay them in bananas.
They're less demanding.
And clearly, they're more than capable to drive.
We've seen both golf carts and buses.
They can wash dishes.
They can take photos.
Forget your wedding photographer.
Get a monkey.
It's way, way more fun.
Kids will love it.
So yeah, I'm starting my business, Monkey Hiring Services.
I'm looking for my first funding round, so if you're an investor, check it out.
With that, on to the video comments, I suppose.
Do we have any today, Samson?
Okay, alright.
Are there any more videos of monkeys that can be sent in?
Send your monkey videos.
Oh, we've got some...
Rumble rants, yeah, we do.
Oh, we've only got one extra one because all of the rest of them haven't fixed out.
Why have you got any monkey rumble rants?
Rumble, you're letting us down.
Threadnought for $5 said BLM at it again.
This isn't related to monkey news.
Making people hate black people.
Fantastic.
I just love learning to hate people because of their race.
Again, not related to monkey news.
I'm just clarifying.
On with the video comment.
I can hear some wheezing in there.
It's also worth mentioning.
Sorry for not involving your base date.
It's very quiet.
Can you go back to the beginning?
Yeah, thank you.
I've turned it up on our end.
I've noticed British people seem to always look forward to the Christmas turkey.
To this American, the thought of any bread eating turkey is odd.
My quick research showed it turned from a high-class exotic Christmas meal to one that the expanding middle class ate in the Victorian days.
At the end of A Christmas Carol, Scrooge brings out turkey as a show of generosity.
Before this, roast beef or goose was generally the go-to meal, and now you know how an American bird invaded Christmas in England.
Gobble gobble.
We still have beef and also think we do ham, even though I'm the biggest fan of pork.
But I can't eat a goose.
I just feel too bad.
I hate geese.
Yeah, I hate geese.
I'll happily eat a goose.
If you tried to serve me swan, then yeah, maybe I'd have trouble.
No, I'd eat swan.
I know you would.
Have you seen the Muslims in this country abducting the swans?
Yeah.
They're eating the swans.
Well, goose...
Just the one swan, actually.
To be fair, on Christmas Day, turkey, goose, or beef, I'd be happy because they're all delicious.
I've got a tie with geese, but I can't do it.
You've got a goose.
I feel a little bit bad about eating duck, even though it's my favourite meat.
I can't eat duck either.
I've fed too many of them.
I just feel too bad.
I can eat a chicken happily.
I know that if a chicken were man-sized, it would eat me.
The other time I've had duck is at a recent wedding that I went to where it was served as pate.
I hate pate.
It's disgusting.
You've got to spread it quite thin, otherwise it becomes too rich.
No, I just hate pate.
On toast, it's lovely.
It's a disgusting texture.
It's good for you as well.
My controversial opinion is that butter is a condiment.
That's the most British thing you've ever said.
Are you, like, squirting it from a bottle onto your toast?
You know when you go to a fancy dinner, you've got little plates of butter?
Do you use butter to dip?
Yeah.
I mean, if you've got breadsticks...
Garlic butter, perhaps?
No, no, but...
So, you know when you get...
Oh my goodness.
Voice of God.
You know when you get little pots of butter at a fancy dinner and they usually do bread rolls?
I'll take it if no one else is eating the bread roll and then just use it to put on my chips or stick it on my steak.
Later.
That's alright.
Eat butter.
I mean, if you just put it on steak.
I'll tell you what, I had some tea cakes for breakfast the other day.
I hadn't had that in years and with just some salted butter over the top.
It was divine.
Does sound nice.
I'm making myself hungry now.
Sorry, to the people paying our bills.
Should we go on to the next one?
Yeah.
I think Kent Mansley from The Iron Giant is the hero of the story, inorganically shoehorned to be the villain for the sake of having a villain.
A patriot trying to protect his country from a weapon of mass destruction, while Hogarth is an obstinate of the brat who ends up endangering the entire town out of his selfish desires.
That is an interesting reading.
I remember really loving the book as a kid, and I wasn't too keen on the animated film, so I'd need to revisit the story in order to give a verdict.
I've not watched the animated film since I was a kid.
I remember loving it, but I do remember...
Doesn't the Iron Giant destroy himself at the end of the film?
Yeah, he sacrificed himself, I think.
41% of the time.
That's a good ending for everybody involved in that case.
On to the next one.
So if you can't deport someone to their home country because they might be harmed or killed and it therefore violates their human rights, doesn't that also set the precedent that sending people like Tommy or Peter Lynch to a prison where they'll be harmed or killed is a violation of their same rights?
Of course you have your two-tier legal system, but I'm surprised nobody's even tried that argument, even if just to further expose what a farce the legal system and the EHRC is.
No, the problem with the argument is that they believe that everyone except the far-right racists who don't agree with the blank slate is a blank slate.
And so the problem isn't that these people have caused their country to be this inhospitable hellhole, because obviously there are people persecuting them, and so if you move people en masse you just recreate the conditions of the country.
It's that they're just in that place.
It's just being on that soil, in and of itself, makes them awful.
But if you bring them over here, then they're fine.
Allow me to paraphrase Kanye West and don't worry.
Which song?
The government doesn't care about white people.
That's why that goes on.
Yeah, you could say that the application of human rights is that they don't think white people are human in the first place.
Unless you're Albanian.
Well, questionable.
Questionable if they're white.
Native British.
Yeah, they don't think we're human, so therefore we don't get human rights anyway.
The fact that we went and conquered the rest of the world kind of, in their eyes, separates us to such a degree that we're not allowed to be considered on the same level as everybody.
So thanks for the compliments.
Boba Bard with a $1 rumble rant says, I would like you all to consider orangutan drivers cleaner, more polite, smarter, better smelling.
That's the advert for them.
On with the last one.
A friend of mine is a therapist and freely admits she can do nothing to help her clients.
If she does anything and it goes wrong, then she will be in legal hot water, so she must simply encourage her client to talk while she listens.
I fear that so many advertised mental health help services are simply snake oil.
Here's a game you can play to sound like a mental health expert.
Repeat the last two words of what someone has said to you back to them.
You'll be astonished at how it gets people to flesh out their thoughts.
Never engage with what they're saying.
Simply repeat the last two words.
It was actually, in the early days of computers, there was an experiment run where a computer just repeated pretty much their question back to them, more or less exactly the same, and they knew this was going on, but it also had a similar level of success to actual talking therapy.
That makes sense.
What you've both described there is the Solid Snake approach to conversation.
Have you ever played the Metal Gear Solid games?
Yes, of course.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, in that case, you'll have noticed that Solid Snake, in the first one in particular, most of his dialogue is just repeating the last two words that were said to him, but with an air of confusion.
Snake, there's a security camera there!
Security camera?!
And that's most of his dialogue through the whole game.
Like Mad-Eye Moody there.
Eh, close enough.
Right, on with some of the written comments before we wrap up.
Carl's Gallon Tub of Nuln Oil.
I know what it is, but it just doesn't sound right.
I despise the argument that incest is wrong because it could lead to a deformed child.
Consequentialists cannot explain why gay incest is wrong, even though there is zero chance of it leading to pregnancy.
There was actually an argument on Pink News about why gay incest is okay.
I saw that.
Of course there was.
Of course there was.
Also, the idea that these people care about disabled children and wouldn't also advocate for aborting them is highly disingenuous.
Yeah, CIC. Well, yeah, what's his face?
Iqbal, his argument of we need more pre-screening for these things, and I was just thinking, like, so you can just abort them.
That's the whole plan, is that let us marry our cousins and then kill our deformed children.
If they're daughters.
Oh, yeah.
Biggie Bigfoot: "You should know that banning first cousin marriage will have very little effect in the Islamic community, as the majority have Nikar weddings, Islamic marriages, that are not recognised under law and so also don't bother registering officially.
I think they would just continue as usual, completely under the radar." Potentially, sure.
Anything we can do to make it more difficult, I think.
I can't read that last part because we're not in a free country.
Moving on, Harry.
Oh, yeah.
So, Baron from Warhawk again.
betrayed him and tried to send him to prison for defending his countrymen from a raving madman with a history of violence.
It doesn't matter that he isn't going to jail, the government has branded him as racist, something that will haunt him for the rest of his life, all because he committed the crime of being white.
No, committed the crime of trying to help people whilst being white.
Depends where he lives as well.
I think if he does relocate to a better state, sadly, that's made a necessity, but, you know, if he lives in Florida...
Yeah, I was gonna say Florida, or any of the red states, I think he'd get a hero's welcome.
People have already said that he'd probably be able to get the Fox News speaking tour and make a load of money.
Never need to buy a drink again, will he?
No, I think more than anything as well, his character that he's demonstrated after as well, before when he was actually trying to help people, during the media frenzy in the trial where he showed a great deal of restraint and stoicism, and then afterwards where he said, I would help people all over again if put in that situation, has shown that he is just a good person.
He'd make a perfect police officer.
George Happ, happy that Daniel Penny didn't get the Derek Chauvin treatment, but the lesson here is quite obvious.
Don't play the hero for strangers unless you want a media trial and to live in a constant danger from this point onwards.
Sadly, yeah, if you live in a city like New York and you're trying to act in your own rational self-interest at all times, then that is the lesson that you're going to take from it.
But that doesn't make for a good community, and that doesn't make for a safe community.
That's the tragedy of it.
Paul Newbar, even though Penny is freed, it's the process that's the punishment, but even the jury couldn't buy the state's case.
Alvin Bragg needs to be impeached.
Yes, he does, and people have already been calling for that.
Josh?
So, BasicBasedApe says, you have no idea how happy this segment makes me.
Monkeys are my favourite animal, believe it or not.
I don't believe you.
You're making it up.
You have to prove that.
NorthFCZoomer says, monkeys, Indian rapists, Austrian painters, and blackies all in one segment.
Josh has decided on the path of chaos.
Ha ha ha!
What do you mean decided?
I've been on this trajectory for a very long time.
And Eloise says, more of this white pill monkey content, thanks.
And Sam Weston says, I'm pleased to see that Lotus Eaters are carrying on Carl Pilkington's good work by giving us top priority monkey news.
I mean, that was legitimately the year's monkey news.
I scoured the internet for this.
My top researchers were on this this entire week.
Because Josh was just watching this video over and over and over.
And the one of the one in the hotel room.
Never let it be said that alternative media doesn't do better work than the mainstream.
Anyway, gents, pleasure as always.
I'll be back in half an hour of Tomlinson Talks.
Otherwise, we'll be back tomorrow at 1 o'clock for the regular podcast.