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Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1041 on today, the 8th of November, 2024.
I'm your host Connor, joined by Josh, and Harry, who's giggling like a child for no reason.
Hello, it's because before we started, Samson was doing the SpongeBob SquarePants, Are You Ready?, and it sounded like you were just coming out of doing the voice, and you went, Oh!
Are you ready, kids?
That's going to be clipped.
I could do an excellent Mr.
Krabs impression, but I'll spare you that.
Thank you, audio listeners.
Today, we're going to be discussing Islamophobia Awareness Month, because there's reasons to be aware of how Islamophobic one should or shouldn't be.
Whether or not Kimmy Badenok can represent the British, and Josh is going to take us on a magical mystery tour for the phenomena of Jinbrain.
Roll up for the mystery tour.
Yes.
There will be fun segments after Connors.
In descending order.
Yeah.
Three announcements today because it's Wednesday, 3 o'clock.
My show, Tomlinson Talks, is on for all of those who have a Lotus City subscription.
If you don't, please do.
Helps us keep the lights on.
I'm going to be going through replacement migration.
This is the third rail, which of course I'm just going to chomp straight down on.
And it's not conspiracy theory when the UN produced documents about it.
So we're going to go through that.
And the EU. Yes.
And the recent demographic data that's been put out by the Office for National Statistics that shows that only 56% of live births in the UK last year were from native white Brits.
Worrying stuff.
Oh wait, so actually in your show are you going over the actual UN document that's just called Replacement Migration?
Because I've found that before and went, hmm, they really don't keep this a secret.
Yes.
We're going to go into it.
Two more announcements.
Today, Common Sense Crusade is, so that's tomorrow.
Today's my show, Common Sense Crusade tomorrow.
It'll run from 4 till 5 tomorrow rather than 3 till 4 because of scheduling issues.
So if you're expecting it at the normal time, it's an hour later.
And then the third thing was something that you were going to mention.
Yes, I was very kindly sent a book and a very nice letter and a poem from Eloise because she liked my poem in Islander.
So thank you very much.
That was very kind of you.
It's always nice.
I've never really written a poem before, not as an adult anyway.
I did, obviously, when I was in school.
So it's nice that it's been so well received, and thank you very much to everyone else who's also been very kind as well.
Oh, while we're thanking the audience members sending books in that case, we were also sent in Politics on the Edge by Rory Stewart, which Carl decided to drop on my desk because after my series, currently ongoing, covering James O'Brien's books, we will be filming How to Be Right very, very soon.
Apparently I'm the new office shitlib whisperer.
Making you the whisperer is probably one of the most ironic things.
You've got me there.
Anyway, thank you to everyone that sends things into our P.O. Box.
You can access that on the website, and I did have the pleasure of editing Josh's poem, so everyone who has a copy of Islander Issue 2, you can enjoy that at the back and look out for Issue 3 around the end of the year.
But without further ado...
On with today's stories.
Happy Islamophobia Month, everyone!
Oh, sorry, it's Islamophobia Awareness Month.
We should be aware of Islamophobia, not Islamophobic.
I'm sure you'll get your time every other month of the year, because it turns out there's good reason to have a very rational scepticism of Islam, particularly in Britain, which we'll be going through.
But let's start with this.
Has anyone else noticed this has come out of absolutely nowhere?
Like, what other year has November been Islamophobia Awareness Month?
Pretty weird how it's just completely sprung up out of the astroturf.
It's almost like there's been some sort of event that has happened that might make people more inclined to push this sort of thing.
Yeah, I couldn't possibly speculate as to what that was, because nobody wants to be held in contempt of court, but this is the mayor of West Yorkshire saying, this is Islamophobia Awareness Month, and every month there is no room for hate in West Yorkshire.
Remember, West Yorkshire, because we're going to get onto that in a bit.
I urge anyone who's been a victim of a hate crime to report it to the police.
You will be heard and you will be believed.
Now the problem is that non-crime hate incidents in this country don't actually require any evidence to designate the person that's making the anonymous accusation a victim, and so the person who is accused by dint of being accused is held as guilty, and the police are promoted to record these so that they can climb up the ranks of the Anti-racist hierarchy within the police because everything they do is to not be called racist.
So this entire country is premised on thought crimes on behalf of Muslims who seek to log thought crimes in order to accrue more power and wealth to their respective grievance groups, and the police just go along with it because they want to get promotions.
And the way she's worded it there does sound insidious, doesn't it?
In a sense, I know that word can get you a hate crime these days, but you will be heard and you will be believed So there's no mention of you will have a fair hearing and evidence will be heard.
It's just if it is reported it must be true and therefore you will be guilty.
Yeah, it turns out if you're a young white girl in West Yorkshire who has been subjected to hate crime by Muslims, you won't be believed.
But bookmark that for a moment.
So where's this Islamophobia Awareness Month campaign come from?
Well, it's these guys, the Islamophobia Awareness Month Seeds of Change organisation.
They offer Islamophobia awareness training as part of DEI qualifications.
I was actually listening in on a safeguarding workshop on female genital mutilation recently with a family member.
Having to go through this for school reasons.
And these kinds of people that form these curricula bent everything out of shape.
So, for example, they said that you shouldn't racially profile girls from the Middle East, North Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa as being more likely to be victims of FGM. And did you know that actually FGM happens more often in Christian countries, so it's not just a Muslim thing?
What?
More often in Christian countries committed by what population in those countries?
Don't ask that question.
Also don't ask the question that it's only in Christian countries this sort of thing gets recorded as a crime because in Muslim countries it's not a crime.
This is why in the UK we are the world capital of acid attacks because when it sort of honour-based violence happens in Muslim countries, it's not recorded because it's not a crime.
I actually saw a graphic showing the Middle East and North Africa, and I'm not sure how true it was because I wasn't able to find the original data source, but it indicated that up to 70% of women in Egypt, of all places, underwent this, which suggests that it's massively large scale.
It's pretty harrowing.
Obviously, as well, if he's referring to a Christian country, he's referring to a place like Nigeria, where half of the country is under the control of Boko Haram.
Not the most devout Catholic sect in the world, there you go.
But, as was mentioned, I'm sure this is a purely organic movement, hasn't been given any money by the Home Office or Raikou to manage hostilities towards Muslims that may or may not have been sprung up in this year for completely...
Unrelated reasons to a certain crime, but there you go.
I don't say that sort of thing lightly as well because they do get taxpayer funding and they are supported by the police, WWF, the NHS, churches, universities, Islington Council and Tesco in Birmingham Yardley.
So wonderful.
Jess Phillips can do her local shop knowing that they're fighting Islamophobia.
What reason would there possibly be to be Islamophobic in Britain?
Can we think of any reasons?
A series of terror attacks.
Mass rape of British girls.
Ah, there's one actually.
There's a good one we can get on to.
And if you're talking about West Yorkshire in particular.
Yeah, we're going to.
So, a little while ago, this was with, I believe, Roaring Nationalist and Carl, I covered the grooming gang trial in Rotherham that only Charlie Peters of GB News and one local journalist went down and covered.
And this was to do with the sentencing of, I believe, seven men for the sexual abuse of over a hundred girls over the span of about a decade.
No other local or national news outlet thought it worthy of reporting on this.
The BBC, constantly committed to stories of minoritarian grievance, didn't think the industrial-scale child rape committed in towns and cities across the UK warranted a mention.
Charlie Peters highlighted this in a piece that he's written for the critic.
He's written up his coverage of the trial here, as I covered in the YouTube segment, which did rather well.
Aside from us, J.K. Rowling on X and GB News, literally nobody covered this.
He also notes in here that he covered the changing of the Wikipedia page on grooming gangs to the grooming gangs' moral panic.
That was ridiculous, yeah.
Yeah, that Harry and I was on the panel at the time did a segment on as well, so...
Yet again, there's very few outlets willing to cover this, and it's because it seems to indict the government's preferred immigration policy, which is bringing in unparalleled numbers of hostile foreign diasporas, inflicting them on the native population, and then any time the native population notices that certain communities might commit more crimes and do heinous things to young girls, they're called far-right racists and told to shut up and not look back in anger.
Unfortunately, there's an update to this story.
So this is the reason why I'm presenting this in Islamophobia awareness month.
They're getting their sentences reduced.
Yeah.
So, responsible for hundreds of child rapes, and...
After an error.
It's like, oh sorry, we realise that that's actually legal now.
Yeah, so this is Abid Sadiq, convicted of three counts of rape and one of indecent assault, and Mohammed Syab was convicted of two counts of rape, one of sexual intercourse with a girl under 13, and one count of trafficking.
If I remember rightly, Syab was the one who had to have an interpreter, because despite living in the country for about ten years, I didn't speak a lick of English.
They had three years and a year taken off their sentences, respectively.
So the details are as follows in this GB News article.
It was following an administrative error.
Mr. Justice Slater, I suppose everyone should look into Mr. Justice Slater's case history to see if he's got a record of giving offenders like this leniency, as lots of the judges seem to do in this country.
He resentenced both men at Sheffield Crown Court.
Sadiq's sentence was reduced by three years to 21 years, consisting of 20 years imprisonment plus 12 months extended licence, and Siab was resentenced to 24 years imprisonment with one year taken off his jail term.
Despite the reduced sentences, Jimmy News understands that both men could spend further time behind bars as they will now have to face a parole board due to the nature of their offending.
Previously, they were liable for automatic release after serving two-thirds of their sentences.
Or the parole board could just...
Could just let them out, as they often do.
So they could be out even earlier, it turns out.
Yeah.
So depressing, isn't it?
Just letting these people out to continue abusing people because they've not been sufficiently punished.
I mean, let's not get into what I think sufficient punishment is, but please do carry on.
Yeah, the sort of punishment we gave out before the 1960s would be a wise and fitting thing here, I think.
Yeah, short drop and sudden stop, right?
It's British tradition and rope's cheap.
Anyway, so last time I mentioned at the trial, families were crying out during the sentences, saying, I love you, Dad.
They were absolutely shocked when their father received jail time.
So, I mean, we do know that there's sort of a conspiracy of silence among these Pakistani ethnic enclaves of where lots of people know that brothers, cousins, friends, fathers and sons will go and pass the same young vulnerable girls around.
So the idea that nobody knew anything about this beggars belief.
But then at the re-sentencing, One survivor said a relative of one of these men was, quote, dead-eyeing her in the court, staring her down.
GB News understands the judge then ordered the relatives to leave the court, because they were trying to intimidate one of the survivors.
And then it continued outside Sheffield Crown Court.
It's alleged that one of the relatives called on another to slap the bitch, referring to one of the survivors.
There was then an altercation during which the NCA officers and the court security separated the groups.
One of the survivors told GB News the relatives' behaviour was disgusting and an insult.
Siab and Sadiq were cruel and appalling rapists.
They stole my childhood.
Their relatives should have some shame, but instead they're trying to fight me at the court.
The real insult, though, came from the court to slap me.
It's beyond unacceptable.
It is revolting.
Now, do you remember in 2017 when Tommy Robinson stood outside a sentencing hearing, could not have interfered with the sentencing, was just reading a BBC article, and was found guilty of contempt of court for that?
How were these families not the same?
Because they're brown and they're Muslim.
Unfortunately.
New Shadow Justice Secretary, former unfortunately unsuccessful Tory leadership candidate, which we'll be talking about shortly, Robert Jenrick said, grooming gang rapists should be locked up for life.
If they're foreign nationals, they should be immediately deported.
It really is that simple.
One of the survivors actually requested that two of the men who are Pakistani nationals be deported, and she was censored by the judge in her witness statement for making that recommendation.
So they really don't want you to know that it's a complete option to have these people in the country.
Same week this happened.
There's another one.
20 men jailed for a combined total of 219 years after a series of grooming gang trials.
Remember when they call it a moral panic on Wikipedia, or when they say that there's a conspiracy theory about grooming gangs on that Dreadful Hope Not Hate documentary?
They're just blatantly lying to you.
Here's some details from the West Yorkshire Police.
20 men faced 219 years behind bars.
After being convicted of sexually exploiting four girls between the ages of 12 and 16 in Calderdale, West Yorkshire.
So what's that like, an average of about 11 years?
Each year.
Also, I saw this when it was published, and you've got that guy Craig Mitchell, just the one Anglo-sounding name there amongst a sea of Pakistani names and faces, and I don't really understand how that happens, because I've got no reason to necessarily believe this, but I have suspicions that perhaps...
This is included in amongst that case maybe a tangential relationship to them because the Pakistanis are known to be very insular in their community.
They stick to their own.
That's true.
Well there's that or he was running it like a prostitution ring and so they were willing to rent out these young girls to paedophiles of any description.
That makes sense, I suppose, yeah.
Which is just despicable, and I'll go into the details shortly, but West Yorkshire.
There's no room for hate or Islamophobia in West Yorkshire.
There is room for hundreds of foreign paedophiles.
Of the Islamic faith in West Yorkshire though, it turns out, because it's taken absolutely ages to find and prosecute and report on these people.
They've had loads of reporting restrictions placed on this case for years.
I think it's the case first opened about ten years ago.
The trials first started in October 2021.
Absolutely no reporting restrictions on all the people locked up for the Southport riots and protests, though.
Because one is politically convenient to the Labour government, the other one certainly is not.
You can also see here, three of them have got the same surname, so there's got to be some sort of familial aspect to it.
Unless it's just a common surname and it's a coincidence.
There's usually...
Let's just say community and family relations in this culture are not a Venn diagram, it's often a circle.
So there you go.
So this, again, can't be reported on for absolute years, but anyone involved in the Southport massacre could be dragged through the mud.
Got it.
So the first investigation regarded the sexual exploitation of two girls between 13 and 16, which happened in 2006 and 2009 in Calderdale, West Yorkshire.
Nine men from Halifax were jailed following two trials at Bradford Crown Court.
Men from Halifax.
Men from Halifax.
Okay, sure.
Trials started in October 2021.
That's Shahzad Nawaz, Halifax name, and Nadim Nasir were sentenced to 11 years for being guilty of rape and making threats to kill.
Sajid Adalat was sentenced to 7 years for rape.
Shahzad Nasir was sentenced to 11 years for rape.
And Sohahil Zafar was sentenced to 42 months for rape and possession of Class A drugs.
What's 42 months?
That's not even 4 years, is it?
Why has he got less than 4 years?
Anyone want to offer a reason as to why these people haven't gotten life in prison for abusing children?
They're a regime client group and therefore they need them on side.
Yeah, quite.
There was a second trial.
Nadeem Adalat was sentenced to 14 years for rape.
After he attempted to appeal the sentence, it was raised to 16 years.
Assad Mahmoud was sentenced to 13 years.
Mohamed Rizwan was sentenced to 9 years.
And Vaseem Adalat was sentenced to 12 years.
He also attempted an appeal, but his sentence was increased to 14 years and 6 months.
The article makes sure to stress that all the men were from Halifax.
All men from Halifax, sure.
West Yorkshire Police then launched another investigation in the same year after the force received reports of the repeated sexual abuse of a 13-year-old girl between 2002 and 2006.
There were then three trials related to the investigation.
The first trial in August 2022, Amir Shaban found guilty of rape and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
The second trial in October 2022, Mohamed Zirab, Imran Raja Yassin and Kamran Amin, all jailed for ten years for rape, Mohamed Akhtar was jailed for 11 years and has since died in prison.
Malik Khwadir was found guilty of 5 counts and sentenced to 22 years.
And then the third trial at Bradford Crown Court in January 2024, I don't care about getting it right, frankly.
The third investigation found Craig Mitchell...
Guilty of rape in December 2018 and sentenced into 12 years.
Right, so we found one.
We found one who is not an imported foreign criminal.
And therefore, don't be Islamophobic.
Well, the Home Office can write up a report about him saying, see, not all.
Yep, that's what I was getting at earlier.
It seems strange, doesn't it?
He's alongside it.
Not saying he's not guilty of...
He probably is, right?
But it's obviously going to be pointed out and people are going to be saying, well, look, you know, it's not a Pakistani community problem, despite all of those other people.
What people have to understand is that exceptions prove rules.
It's that if you find an outlier, it means that, generally, the stated rule does apply.
So, when people say, oh, it's just a conspiracy theory that these grooming gangs are operating for ethnic, racial, and religious reasons, because there's one white guy in them, it's like, okay, what about the 19 other Pakistani Muslims that are running this?
Anything?
No, because it's inconvenient to your narrative.
The article also notes that the Task Force, which Charlie Peters' documentary helped set up under then Home Secretary Suella Braveman, that started last year, has already made over 500 arrests, and it's identified a fair few thousand victims.
But you should expect more to finish on, because this is something that I've spoken about on my show before, but the Labour Party are trying to do a Gaza family visa scheme that's trying to replicate the Ukrainian refugee scheme.
Go to hell.
So this would bring over prospective thousands.
I mean, the Ukrainian scheme, last I checked, had over 225,000 people into this country.
They just import people en masse from Palestine.
Now, I don't know if any of you guys are history buffs, but the Palestinians might have a bit of an axe to grind against Britain for helping establish the State of Israel.
And so, even if you're not Jewish, which none of us at the table are, I don't want an imported foreign diaspora that hates me because of my ethnicity, my heritage, my religion and my race being dropped into this country at my expense and then to go on and abuse more young girls.
Thank you very much.
Remember the distinction.
When they're in Palestine, they are all Hamas collaborators, useful idiots, human shields, bad people who need to be taken off of the map.
The second that they cross over into Europe, they are beautiful souls, innocents, they're in danger...
As British as you and me.
This is the dichotomy that Harrison Pitt says...
Churchill abroad and Chamberlain at home.
It's where you have to be incredibly aggressive outside of your borders, but then to all of those countries that you want to bomb into democracy and denigrate as violating human rights, you completely ignore that they might hold a grudge against you, and then you immediately appease them when they become a hostile ethnic bloc when you bring them into your country.
So you're aggressive abroad and appeasement at home, and we wonder why this has resulted in lots of grooming gangs.
And as I said, I mentioned this On my show a little while ago, which you can have a look at, but Labour are always honest about this because the shadow immigration secretary at a debate before even the election was announced just said, we're drawing up plans for this and we want to institute it.
So, happy Islamophobia awareness month.
month, I hope you're now aware of why some people are Islamophobic.
And with that, we've got some rumble rants.
Sorry to depress you, lads.
Cheers, mate.
These sort of stories need updates, I'm afraid, because otherwise it just doesn't get covered.
Charlie Peters is doing a good job.
Oh, sorry, I didn't realise there was only one.
So, from Casal Den, I was born in West Yorkshire and have lived here my entire life.
Beautiful place.
Beautiful place ruined by our modern world.
Aside from the small gaggle of useful dunces, every Englishman here disdains Islam.
And they should have every bloody right to.
I'm not saying that name because that is just gonna trick me into saying that aloud and it's gonna get clipped.
Phobias are inherently irrational fears.
That's baked into the definition of the word.
It's not irrational, in my opinion, to be wary of the most violent religion in the modern day.
Sorry, a Fed Posty.
No, it's not a Fed Posty at all.
Just read the Quran and the Hadiths and verses about how they think that the Judgment Day will only come if rocks and trees become animated in the spirit of Allah and say to kill Jews.
I think that might be a little bit violent, but there you go.
Blankfield for $10.
Con a team up with PaleoChristCon.
On X. Who's that?
Never heard of him.
To be fair, I'll double check if you're reading through.
To Badger Carl to become a believer.
Love the show.
Blessings from New Zealand.
Carl has a very, let's say, Christian temperament, but he's also a very natural contrarian.
Andrew Wilson.
Oh, yeah.
Andrew Wilson's debate style will not convince Carl.
If anything, it will make him double down on his former atheism.
Former atheism.
Carl is not a dedicated atheist.
He's definitely an agnostic.
Yeah, fair enough.
Yes.
I don't know what that refers to, but there you go.
Maybe you've been very busy.
I have.
That's a random name.
I love how they're just pretending that Islamophobia is something that just happens for no reason, almost as if us natives are ticking time bombs.
Ironic.
When we all know it's the opposite.
Absolutely vile.
Yeah, but as Harry mentioned, what you don't understand is that every non-liberal opinion that a third worlder has is purely because they're in a foreign location.
if you pick them up out of the desert and just drop them into Britain, they'll instantly become secular, liberal, materially prosperous.
And it's actually just the far-right racists who have no excuse because they're here in the first place.
And so we're actually far more evil than even the most illiberal Islamists imaginable.
It's the magic soil, but also it's the managerial mindset.
And I noticed this reading through James O'Brien on how not to be right.
Which is that he, and we'll discuss this when we actually record the video talking about it, but to give a little foreshadowing, he constantly tries to affirm that he does not think that the people that he's talking about, whether it be Brexiteers, Trump supporters, transphobes, all of the people that he categorizes as bad people, are in fact individually bad people.
What he thinks is that they have been given bad information that has led them down bad roads by bad media.
Of course, in that, his answer is to censor the media, but there's a broader mindset that applies to people across the entire world, which blank slate, everybody's fundamentally good, all that leads them down the wrong path is bad information, so if these Muslims in other countries behave badly there, or if we get them over here, we can socially engineer them and manage them into becoming good British citizens.
A blank slate is everywhere you look, and it's just classic false consciousness.
The last one is from Lady Dragon...
Dragon Lady Chris.
Amazing how Muslims disrespected Remembrance Day, just in time for Islamophobia Awareness Month.
Uh, yeah, because Remembrance Day is not the worship of their ancestors, so why should they show any respect?
I was actually in a church service on Sunday, and there was an African woman who brought her son in a buggy.
And he was playing aloud some sort of kid's show on the phone during the service and during the minute silence.
And it's because she doesn't think anything of it, because why does she care about our ancestors?
They're not hers.
Many such cases.
Speaking of people who weren't very good at remembering our ancestors, Kemi Badenoch, who showed up late to, I believe, her constituency's D-Day remembrance service earlier on this year, and had to stand at the back as a result.
In this segment, I'm going to be talking about Well, I'm going to be asking the question who represents the British and on that I'm going to be asking some philosophical questions about the meaning of representation in the first place.
Now, the idea of representation over the past ten years has been somewhat sullied by social justice warriors who have wanted to use it as a crowbar To crowbar in their own sectarian ethnic interests into the public space, where television needs to be representing these minorities, it needs to be representing the sexuality of people in the woke coalition.
But representation does have a long history that goes back to the history of representative democracy in the first place.
There is a reason that we have members of parliament who are supposed to be It's not always the case because the selective committees can just airdrop people into safe seats, but they are supposed to be representing your local community, which means that they are supposed to have shared interests, shared culture, shared language, and shared background as you.
Now, of course, this all works quite well in a homogenous society, but in a multi-ethnic, multicultural society that we live in right now, we have to acknowledge, especially given that we don't know the actual numbers of illegal immigrants that are in the country, that the British people, while still making up a majority, are an increasingly small portion of this multi-ethnic society and therefore need representation on our own interests.
This is why parties have begun springing up, like Reform and others, which do more explicitly present themselves as a British party, at least for British values, in the case of Reform.
The Conservatives previously have presented themselves as the British Values Party.
Back when they had Enoch Powell in the ranks, you could make an argument that they were the British People Party, or at least he tried to be that, but they ejected him for trying to present himself as such.
So, again, the question is, now, who represents the British?
It's not Labour, while they are headed by a British man, a white, a pale, stale male, As Kemi Badenock herself might say.
James Cleverley specifically said that.
James Cleverley did specifically say it, but I imagine the sentiment has been repeated behind closed doors.
He doesn't represent us.
The first thing he did when he came in was he persecuted British people who were angry that a foreigner had killed white children.
They persecuted English people, they persecuted British people who were very, very angry.
And on the foreign stage, on the Foreign Secretary, we have David Lammy, a man who is explicitly only interested in his own ethnic background.
As a black man, as he said, on the world stage in Russia.
It was.
Makes us look ridiculous.
It does make us look ridiculous because on the world stage, we, Britain, have an ethnic man, not of British background, representing us, talking about his own personal interests as opposed to what Britain should be representing itself as.
And again, the Conservatives, with Kemi Badenock now in charge, are again positioning themselves as wanting to out-left the left.
They want to out-progressive the progressives.
And this was quite a shame, because I know that you were quite supportive of Robert Jenrick, who is an Englishman who wanted to represent English values and push for things like the prevention of mass migration, stopping that.
And also removing illegal immigrants from the country.
Things that are in our interest.
So, Jermic had very good advisors, and given his family are Jewish, he was basically radicalised by October the 7th, and so called for the permanent expulsion of every single illegal immigrant in the country, The levying of visa sanctions and the withdrawal of foreign aid against any country who wouldn't take their foreign nationals back.
He was talking about English identity and he wanted to do a great repeal bill which would have gotten rid of the Human Rights Act, the Constitutional Reform Act, the Climate Change Act, the Equality Act, all in one fell swoop so you can fire all the civil servants.
Now, whether or not he would have been allowed to do that by the Conservative Party is a moot point.
Because I don't trust the Conservative Party as far as I can throw them.
I got my email of permanent expulsion about two days ago as well.
Two days ago?
It took this long for them to decide that...
I thought they'd already kicked you and Carl out of the park.
Yeah, for some reason they sat there trying to justify their own jobs.
They had some sort of tribunal on five tweets, which I stand behind.
They're like my greatest hits.
Point being, yeah, you don't trust the Conservative Party.
But the problem is...
Other than him, there was no one.
And Kemi Badenoch now allows reform to get really complacent, because they don't want to criticise her because she's a black woman, and it lets them just coast along on platitudes about British values like they're David Cameron in 2010.
Robert Jemmick at least lit the fire underneath Nigel Farage's arse to have made him more concrete on issues of demographic change and mass deportations.
And unfortunately, Kemi Badenoch's not going to do that, and she's not going to do that, because she doesn't feel that she has a particular allegiance to a particular people.
Culture and law flows downstream from what a particular people in a place and a time feel about themselves and how they arbitrate the disputes within their own national community.
And that national community is never questioned before mass migration dilutes and diversifies the population.
Only then do you need to codify a national identity in terms of values and have a state enforce it from on high to make all of these different grievance groups play nice.
And so Kimi Badenoch is basically the candidate to stage manage different diverse diasporas, being constantly each other's throats, and so now we've got an immigrant lecturing us on how the British should behave in their own country, Which would be just fine if a bunch of hostile minorities hadn't have turned up and ruined it in the first place.
That's well put and touches on some things that I'll be getting on as we go along.
But the question remains, why is it that the Conservative members chose to elect Kemi Badenoch?
Well, I would suggest it's all explained through this single clip right here.
And isn't it great that we're the first great party, the first party, to have a black leader of the party?
Another glass ceiling shattered.
Can I welcome Pemi to the stage?
Notice how Jemric didn't clap for that.
Yeah, I saw your screen grab of his face really up close.
If only you knew how bad things really are.
Yeah, that must have been quite a disappointing moment for him.
And, you know, congratulations to Kemi.
That's a great position to find yourself in.
And to Michael Gove, who made her entire career.
Yes, that too.
But it's about the virtue signalling.
It's about the fact that the Conservative membership that is left Outside of some of the younger members who have more of an understanding of the interests of younger British people as the country changes inexorably around them, most of the boomers left in the Conservative Party just wanted to be the real progressives because the left are the real racists.
Look at us, we've broken the glass ceiling.
We care about merit and meritocracy because, of course, Kemi Badenoch was only chosen for meritorious reasons and nothing else.
Ignore the fact that they are literally Tingling with delight over the fact that she hits the Kamala Harris checkboxes.
Black!
Woman.
It's so pathetic.
It really is.
Grow a spine.
These supposedly grown adults, previously some of them at least had successful careers, you'd think they'd be people that had a certain amount of backbone and could stand behind their convictions and instead they're cowing at the possibility of being called racist when that term means nothing.
Guess what?
You get called racist, nothing happens to you.
No, you know, tribunal, no nothing.
No one cares anymore.
I've already seen opinion pieces being presented about Kemi Badenoch because she's now the leader of the Conservatives, describing her as the black face of white supremacy, very similar to how Larry Elder has been accused of that very, very same thing.
Yeah, Dawn Butler saying that.
You will get racist accusations no matter what.
Even if the entire Conservative Party was black, they'd all be accused of being white supremacist Uncle Tom's.
Well, Priti Patel had let in a record number of non-EU... Shadow Foreign Secretary now.
So if she stays in that position and they manage to get in in, what, five years' time, then on the international stage, still not going to be an English person representing us.
No, so when she let in record numbers of Indians, for example, the Guardian still drew her as a demon.
So, yeah, there's that.
But this sycophancy is rooted within Westminster.
So I had an off-record conversation with someone who's working in the policy department of a party, won't say which...
And I just said to them, right, why are the politicians not capable of standing on the merits of their own arguments?
Why are they not coming out and saying, yeah, we're concerned about demographic change because we're concerned about cultural change.
We're concerned about illegal migration.
Therefore, if we are to enforce the law, we should send them all back.
And he said...
Well, can you imagine what would happen?
He'd go on the BBC and he'd get called racist and I'd just go, well, yeah, but they're always going to call you racist.
And he just said to me, well, what do you expect them to do?
And I said, stand by your principles?
Not just that.
Have a backbone?
You call everything racist.
You call the countryside racist.
You don't know what racist means.
And he just went, oh yeah, good point, we hadn't thought of that.
And that's the point.
They hadn't thought of it.
They live off of fear of how the chattering classes, who'd rather see them dead than win an election, perceive them.
And that's what governs their policy.
And that's what governs the reason why Kimmy Baden-Ock is now a Conservative Party.
They're more than happy to...
Sorry, I accidentally name-dropped you then, didn't I? They're more than happy to overlook anti-white racism, anti-native racism, aren't they?
When we're discriminated against for being the native population, that's fine.
So, you know, they're not even consistent in their own pathetic principles.
Labour pale, male and stale.
That's the exact same rhetoric that the left has always used against white men.
You know, two cheeks of the same arse.
Well, Kemi's called her former school kids that used to, former university classmates who used to criticise her when she would say, mildly conservative things, stupid white lefties.
And then she said to David Tennant, he was a rich, privileged white male.
And it's like, right, why are you using white as a pejorative, consistently?
Why is it second nature to you, as a minority politician, supposedly representing the indigenous population of Britain, to use their skin colour as an insult?
Would I be able to say a few bits on just political representation more generally?
Just one thing on that.
You are right in what you've said earlier that Kemi Badenoch is being positioned as the right woman to manage multicultural Britain and encourage everybody to share in the same multicultural culture, which actually means no culture whatsoever, because if you throw it all into a big pot, what it melts down into is slop.
And the other thing has completely slipped my mind, so please go ahead, Josh.
Sure.
So, a couple of things.
The first of which is just a psychological observation about human nature, that one's genetic proximity to a person influences how favourably you treat them.
This manifests in people's families, obviously.
That's very obvious, because you're genetically related to them.
But also, if you meet someone you've never met before, you unconsciously process their face and your brain figures out how genetically proximate they are by how much they look like you, and that influences how much you like them.
These are very robust studies which basically suggest that if the native people of a place want to be treated as well as possible by their rulers, Then it sort of indicates that the rulers have got to come from that group.
We can see it when it's abroad.
That's why people admonish colonialism, because they say you don't have the interests of the native ethnic people.
That's exactly the argument they make.
So they understand it when applied away, just not at home.
Well, it would be mad if in the middle of the war in Gaza at the moment, you had so-called patriotic Israelis saying, no, we need diverse and inclusive forms of Zionism.
We need to remove Netanyahu and install a black woman for reasons.
Okay, fine.
I'm sure there are probably crazies like that over in Israel.
There might be, but they're certainly not given a vocal national platform, particularly for the right-wing parties.
Very sensibly so.
It's like, fine, if you guys can have that standard, fine, fine.
Let Israel be run by the Jews.
I also therefore want an Englishman running England.
Thank you very much.
I was just going to add to your point on the face thing, that there is more empirical evidence for that being something that people do take into account, because a few weeks ago I covered the court case of the gentleman, I forget what his name was, the black...
The black man who was executed and the leftists were trying to make it seem as though his case was unfair, they'd overlooked DNA evidence, yada yada yada.
They had biased the jury by only having one or two black people in it.
When, if you actually looked into the case itself, you found that one of the reasons one of the potential black jurors was taken off of the jury was because he looked so similar to the man who was, to the defendant.
Which was one of the reasons they said, well, they look very similar to one another.
He might be able to see himself in that, which might bias his judgement.
A perfect illustration of it, isn't it?
In the wild.
And I think that's sound judgement to actually do that as well.
Because, you know, no matter what the ethnicity of the person is, if you're assessing someone's case and you look similar to them, you're going to be biased.
It's one of those things that is so ingrained into the human psyche that it can't really be overcome.
If I was called up for jury duty and all of a sudden I found myself sitting on the jury of like a multiple homicidal murderer who happened to somehow be my exact doppelganger, I'd expect to be taken off of the jury because it'd be kind of difficult for me to not look at him and go, well, he's basically me sat there.
Even though I would of course try to be as objective as possible.
But anyway, I remember the point I was going to make a moment ago, and then we should start to move our way through the segment a bit more, which was that as well as being the manager for multicultural Britain, it's also a case where, in the same way that the magic soil means that people can come from anywhere and take on the values and therefore be as British as us,
With what you're saying with, oh, these people are white, it's always the white indicator, which is one of the things that she basically uses as an insult for people like David Tennant, who I dislike.
Yes.
I completely disagree with David Tennant.
I think he's a wretched man.
Absolutely.
But she is being positioned through the leadership as essentially a better Brit than the British themselves, which again takes the British identity, that being of a shared group of ethnicities, the Scottish, the English, the Welsh, And also some of the Irish, but they don't really like that so much.
And saying that you're no longer a unique and identifiable people, you're simply a set of abstracted values that can apply to anybody and anywhere, as long as they exist in the economic zone of Britain, and kind of wave a flag about every now and again.
And that, to me, is honestly a case of ethnic erasure.
Well, Kemi Beynok grew up in Nigeria.
She was born in Britain, basically via health tourism.
She came over when she was 16.
But the premise of British values, according to the Conservative Party, so what you're conserving, is that Kemi Badenoch, having lived in Nigeria, because she says some banal platitudes about free markets and multicultural liberalism, is now more English than King Jong I, Who, yeah, went against our unwritten constitutional norms and we needed Magna Carta to constrain him, but he was still an Englishman born in England to a line of English kings.
If you accept that premise that Kenny Badenock is more English-British than King John I, you've led yourself down an intellectual blind alley, which the Conservative Party has.
Yes, and if you want to see the platonic ideal of a Conservative Party member, look no further than her own husband!
I think we've all seen this picture by now.
That is Mr Hamish Badenock, where she gets her surname from, and even she looks embarrassed.
To be sat next to him.
I'm sure this was a really elated moment for him.
Oh my goodness, my wife is going to be Conservative Party leader.
I'm going to be very, very happy about this.
But you look pathetic.
You look like you should be sat in the corner on the cook chair.
And he even wrote, in this article it quotes a letter that he wrote about her that was published in The Spectator.
And I think this should show the depths of cuckoldry that the Conservative Party is willing to go to.
My political ambitions ended when I was booted off the candidates list by Kemi.
She was a vice-chair of the party and wanted to avoid a conflict of interests, and I'm pleased she did.
Being an MP is a gruelling business.
After Kemi won her seat in 2017, Philip May convened a meeting of The Dennis Club, which is husbands of female MPs, the literal cuckold club.
Being an MP's spouse, he told us, was the best of both worlds.
10% of the pressure, 90% of the fun.
Can I note as well for people who aren't well-versed, I've covered this a few times on my show in the various episodes on the Conservative leadership and why the Tory party's not to be trusted.
It's not a coincidence that it's published in The Spectator.
The Spectator is basically the mouthpiece of CCHQ, Kemi's candidacy and Michael Gove's endorsement of her was fed through The Spectator.
James Forsyth, the...
She's worked on The Spectator, Gove's worked for The Spectator as an editor, I believe.
Gove is the current editor.
Oh, he's the current editor, yes.
And he endorsed Kamala Harris as his first measure as Spectator editor, so he lost a lot of subscriptions.
Kemi worked as the digital director underneath James Forsyth.
James Forsyth was the political editor who then went on to be Rishi Sunak's, like, chief of staff under Downing Street.
It's all a very incestuous network.
I believe Bade Nock worked as a junior minister under Gove.
Stop me if you've already mentioned that before in one of his departments, and they've been noted for being close to one another.
I think that there was a cheeky nickname given to them both called, like, Gover Nock or something like that that I've read about.
Which suggests just how close they were with one another.
So she is a creature of Michael Gove, a noted patriot and positive force for the country?
No, no, the exact opposite of those things.
He ruins everything he touches.
Yes, but, so, yeah, there is Hamish Badenock, the ideal Tory man, and there were other details in the article which you can expect.
We broke through the glass ceiling, boys, there's been no female Labour leaders, which is how embarrassing for them, and a Jess Phillips mention where it quotes her being envious of the fact that Tories willingly give away their power to women, which Labour doesn't seem to want to do.
Well, unless you're Liz Truss and you weren't meant to get it and then you get cooed out by your own party.
Well, yeah, you need to be an establishment figure to really occupy that position, male or female.
There's an interview with Gove that was done for The Spectator, unsurprisingly, where he immediately, the first thing he commends her for, being a black woman, surprise, surprise.
Well done for doing that thing you had no control over.
Yes, again, literally the same credentials as Kamala Harris when they picked her for vice president in the Democratic Party.
Previous comments from Gove about Robert Jenrick state, one of his weaknesses is that he looks like a typical Tory politician.
White man.
That's literally what he means right there.
He looks English.
And the English won't vote for an Englishman.
Is that the logic that we're using here?
And again, you know, Preeti Patel is Shadow Foreign Secretary, so it's all the same faces.
It's all the same faces who betrayed you time and time and time again.
At least with Jenrick, he was making noises in the correct directions, would have been a positive force to pull reform rightward, and also has already contributed quite a lot to our cause, if only through the, was it the CPX report that he did about mass migration?
Was that the right think tank that he did?
It's with Neil O'Brien, who is also now in Badenock's shadow cabinet, because obviously the measure is to try and contain these insurgent forces within the Conservative Party by tying them up with shadow ministerial duties, but ensuring that their careers can't advance past any point that they actually want them to be.
And this is happening at a time when the Shadow Cabinet has been ordered not to hire political advisors yet because the Tories are in such an absolute state, they are weak, there is blood in the water.
Will any party do anything to usurp them?
Guess we'll see.
But in total, at the most recent Conservative leadership election, 131,680 members were eligible to vote in the contest, which was a drop of 40,000 since the last leadership contest, which was in September of 2022.
So in two years, they've lost 40,000 members, and because of that, they're in financial dire straits.
They can't afford anything.
But it does seem to be popular as you're starting to get things like this.
Kemi Badenoch cuts two points off of Labour's lead in her first week as Tory leader.
Kemi Badenoch did that.
It wasn't the news about Axel Rudicabana having an Al-Qaeda training manual and rice in and then the disastrous budget coming out dropped Labour into an even more unpopular position.
No, it was Kemi Badenoch did that.
But you are going to get, now that she is leader of the Tory party, I think, and it's already happening, a two-pronged, gammon-targeted propaganda attack.
Mubased immigrant success stories, and also, let's go annoy the woke snowflakes that are going to be throwing out the red meat.
We already have some fantastic examples of this, and this is one from the Daily Mail, supposedly hard right-wing Daily Mail newspaper, which has attacked, I've never seen employed before.
right?
Look at this.
British dream.
The immigrants living the British dream.
This has never existed.
There has never been a British dream.
The British nightmare.
It's not America.
We're never being America.
They are trying to turn us into America.
There has been an American dream where traditionally, up until the 60s, people of European backgrounds could go to America from peasant backgrounds, from all sorts of different parts of the social strata, and make their way in America.
Now that's been opened up to the rest of the world, but there has never been an equivalent in Britain, because Britain has always been recognised as the kingdom of the British people.
And the kingdom of cynicism about our own island.
You don't hear people being too positive about living here, especially these days.
Well, certainly not these days, what is there to be positive about, but it's just propaganda, pro-immigrant propaganda.
Look, she's waving a British flag.
She's probably more British than white university students who hate England.
Well, they might hate England, but that doesn't mean that they're all of a sudden...
Not English.
Yeah, not English.
It's the totalisation of politics, that politics is the only thing that matters, so if they're on your side, that's the only thing that you need to care about, and it's not.
No.
And look, more Nigerians, and look, friendly Indians.
You know, congratulations to all of these people, honestly, for actually, you know, trying to contribute to society.
But at the same time, this is propaganda, and these are not the examples, these are not the standout examples, this is not the This is the exception, not the rule.
These are the exceptions who are coming over.
And this is a Daily Mail advertisement to keep foreigners pouring in because maybe one in a thousand is going to be like this gentleman and open up his own GP surgery.
Also, if you talk to someone like Ayan Hirsi Ali, which is actually a case in fleeing Islamic persecution and a forced marriage and receiving asylum in the Netherlands and Becoming a citizen of the US, she would never dream of having the vanity to say that because she is a student of Western civilization and a newly converted Christian,
that she's therefore more British or more English or more American than Keir Starmer or Nancy Pelosi, even if they're in open revolt against the traditions of their traditional ethnic peoples.
Because she has the humility to know that she's a grateful recipient of a place, as if a house guest that you would consider a member of the family, In our national home.
That doesn't give her veto rights to act as if she owns the home or can rearrange the furniture at her personal wish.
And so, those are the kinds of people I'm happy to have live here, but they're not more English than me.
Because, without any moral valence, they weren't born here and neither were their ancestors.
That's just it.
Again, it's ethnic erasure.
And then there was this one, the example of the second bit, you're getting people like this, Richard Murphy, who's got hundreds of thousands of followers on Twitter, quite a big media name.
I'd not heard of him before previously, but look, whether he understands it or not, he's playing into the dialectic that is being established here.
Kemi Badenoch has made clear that she thinks that university-educated people who might challenge what she wants to do to this country are high on her list of enemies of society.
Based!
Based Kemi!
Based Badenock!
She's gonna get the uni snowflakes!
It all plays into this media narrative.
But, and again, let's be honest, she doesn't represent us because the Times of all publications begins printing stories like this.
To understand Badenoch, start in 1990s Nigeria.
This article is literally a short history of Nigeria from the 1960s onwards because...
This is meant to be a puff piece, but it reads like a hit piece if you've got the right politics.
It certainly does, because what I want to know, if I have to understand the leader of a British political party, the oldest political party in Britain, is the history of Nigeria.
So absurd!
I hate the situation we're in!
It's ridiculous!
And then there's her history, even earlier on this year, of the fact that she's made some very, very big trade deals when she was Business and Trade Secretary, specifically with Nigeria.
She wanted to abolish the student and work visa limits in 2018.
It was in her maiden speech in Parliament.
She personally lobbied to remove those caps so we could get more Nigerians.
And remember, in 2010, when she was originally running for parliament and wasn't successful, she was running as a Nigerian candidate representing Nigerian interests on her own blog, which the spectator reported on but conveniently left that post out.
I wonder why.
Yeah, and also people have been calling into question the basis of her citizenship in the first place.
Given that, as we can see here, they're saying anchor baby.
I don't think that's the correct term for it.
That's an American term.
It's an American term, and anchor baby means the parents get an anchor as well.
This is more that Badenock ended up with a British passport, what she calls one of Willy Wonka's golden tickets, when her mother came to Britain to give birth.
Specifically, so whether or not you want to call her an anchor baby, you can say that her mother...
Gave birth here so that she would have options open in the future for a better life, whatever you want to call it, that meant she would automatically get given a British passport.
Disgusting.
Until 1983, when the British Nationality Act of 1981 came into play, we had, I think it's pronounced just Solly.
Birthright citizenship when you get here.
If you're born here, then you were automatically granted citizenship.
Following the 81 Act, that changed.
And now you need more to prove that you're settled, to prove that one of your parents is a British citizen, etc, etc.
So it made it more difficult.
Back then, though, after 1948, you could just be born here and get citizenship, which is what her mother did.
she has been a bit of a crybaby about this if I'm honest saying that oh it's nasty comments on on twitter claiming that this is what my mother did but you've said previously you've bragged previously other people have bragged on your behalf previously that this is what was done you were only a citizen of this country because of the fact that your mother took advantage of the rules to make sure that you would be she's called herself a first generation immigrant Thank you.
Yep.
And then there's also, on a more practical basis, there is also her entire career of poor time management, poor work ethic, and generally being known as lazy, which is where she earned the nickname Later Knock for her.
From.
So in this Max Tempers thread here, you should follow him on Twitter if you're not already, he's an excellent poster.
He just gives a load of different examples of her being late from memoirs and reports given by her former colleagues.
I can confirm that I have spoken to someone who worked for her and said this is exactly true.
And Kemi Badenoch, according to Andrew Gibson in Ashcroft's biography, Blue Ambition, would show up to meetings 45 minutes late after they were already done and glare at her colleagues when they were all leaving.
She also, when she was working at the Spectator between 2015 and 2016, carried on this late behaviour.
According to...
Her colleagues, she was unbelievably crap and said that she was inefficient and idle, struggled with organisation, loudly declaring that her tasks were top priority, my top priority, before not doing them.
She would make bizarre non-sequiturs in meetings, saying that the spectator is a shop and the editorial team are the shop window.
Question mark?
And advertised that she spent a lot of time on the message boards.
She also, in one source's telling, would announce that there is no one more right-wing than me.
It sounds like, you know, in Austin Powers when Dr.
Evil is in the group and explaining the bizarre things that his father would say.
I'm surprised she's not claimed that she invented the question mark.
And there's lots of other patterns of behaviour.
People have also commented on it.
Tom Harwood, Kemi Badenoch shows up 21 minutes late to an 8.30 cabinet meeting.
There's a lot of this sort of stuff.
She seems to run on Africa time, if we're perfectly honest.
There's also other things here.
Here's what I was referring to earlier.
Commemorative ceremony.
War memorial today.
D-Day 80.
Absentatory MP Minister.
Kemi Badenok arrived late and could only hide at the back and then left.
That is a very symbolic photo.
Yes, it certainly is.
And again, with the government that we have right now, we do not have any sort of representation.
Another tweet from Max here saying that Labour Insider and former strategist John McTernan, who recently said that we need to essentially destroy small farming, said that David Lammy needs to stay Foreign Secretary because we need to increase our standing amongst the Global South.
So, acknowledging that they play ethno-politics to their own personal advantage, and so we need to stick someone very...
Loyal to those ethno-politics, in that position, to the detriment of Britain.
Yes.
So, I ask again, who represents the British?
Because not anyone in mainstream politics that I can see.
So, on the topic of Africa time, should we do these comments after I've done my segment?
Yeah, sure.
Okay.
So...
Shall I read through them, seeing as it's in my segment?
No, no.
We'll do them after Josh's segment.
Oh, afterwards.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, sorry.
That's all right.
So, I wanted to pose the question, are you gin-brained?
And that's not, um, have you drank too much gin?
You might be saying, Josh, what on earth are you on about then?
Well, I mean, a genie, um, a gin here, or a ginny here, as described by Britannica, or the spelling that I'm going with today, this one.
And I'm going to describe what they are.
I think you probably know.
But just to nail down the definition, Wikipedia says they are invisible creatures in pre-Islamic Arabia and later in Islamic culture and beliefs.
Like humans, they are accountable for their deeds and can either be believers, Muslims, or disbelievers, kafir.
Depending on whether they accept God's guidance and Britannica also adds that they are beings of smokeless flame by nature in the same manner in which humans are said to be made of earth they cannot be seen by human beings and that is very important they cannot be seen and There was a phenomenon that I spotted online which I've been quite enjoying and I think it's mainly originated at least I've seen it originate with this Lin-Manuel Lin-Manuel Rwanda.
It's a joke about the guy who did Hamilton.
Okay, fair enough.
But this account, as well as Kuni Drukpa, one of our favourites, I think.
Best independent journalist.
And they've been trying to popularise this, and they say, the best way I can explain gin brain is this, when a person's explanation or understanding of something can be substituted with a gin did it, without it materially altering the explanatory power of their argument.
So he's got Paul Mason here.
So you can replace misogyny there with a genie.
A genie will enter mainstream politics and the whole anti-woke cocktail will be normalised by the BBC and altmedia.
And it is just the same argument.
When you put it like that, it really does highlight how worthless the word misogyny is in that, because everything else that flows on from it is basically magic thinking.
Oh, of course, it is exactly magical thinking, and we'll be looking at some of the basis in Islamic theology for this stuff and the real-world manifestations, and then looking at lots and lots of real-world examples.
If you liked my goblin segment, You'll like this one, and that is foreshadowing.
They do treat these abstract forms of bigotry as a false consciousness, but then they treat them as if they're an entity in and of themselves, and they have malevolent will, and they come down and cast a spell on human beings.
Well, it's like human beings don't have any agency, and these evil forces of racism just come in and infect people.
It's similar to what you said about James O'Brien, Harry.
That he doesn't see people as inherently evil, it's just that the evil seeps in via propaganda or the mainstream media.
They've read the Daily Mail too much and are now celebrating more successful Nigerian immigrants coming into the country.
James O'Brien only wants more successful immigrants in the country.
Well he's getting his way then.
And Cunley Druckber also offered a definition as well.
Gin brain is the tendency to believe that most events, especially bad ones, are the work of supernatural entities like gin or some equivalent cultural stand-ins with motivated malevolent agency, particularly in lieu of more complex systems-oriented explanations.
So what I can see here is that Droghpur's definition applies a lot more to the imported superstitious foreign diasporas, like large sections of Muslims in Britain, than Lin-Manuel Rwandas, and this is hilarious to be saying these names.
He is saying that modern, secular, Enlightenment liberals are engaging the exact kind of magical thinking, just with substituted phrases of abstract bigotries, like the Muslims are.
So there's two constituencies, but they're doing the exact same thing, and it's that they're incapable of properly grasping human motivation because they just have the wrong anthropology.
From there, all of their political prescriptions come.
Yeah, it's worth mentioning as well that this magical thinking existed in all cultures, pretty explicitly in their religious practices at some point.
to think that being holier than thou, if you pardon the pun, that we don't think like this, but it seems to be an aspect of human nature.
If something is universal in human beings, it's fair to say that it must be programmed in our biology, and it's probably a quirk of just how our brain functions.
And I think that it does manifest in modern politics quite often.
And I think once you see it, you can't unsee it.
And let's have a look at some real-world examples of jinn-think, but actual jinn-think, being concerned about witchcraft, wizardry, in Saudi Arabia.
Not Scotland?
Not Scotland.
No, it's not Harry Potter, although that will be mentioned.
Okay.
So, the Saudis beheaded a witch.
This, when was this?
2011.
Not 1692?
No.
They still have their witch hunts now.
So apparently, Nassar was the name of the woman, who claimed to be a healer and a mystic, was arrested after authorities reportedly found a variety of occult items in her possession, including herbs, glass bottles of an unknown liquid used for sorcery, see where the magical thinking comes in there, and a book on witchcraft, which, yeah, okay, fair enough.
According to a police spokesman, Nasser also falsely promised miracle healings and cures and charged ill clients as much as $800 for our services.
So she was basically...
She was a con woman.
Yeah, she was a con woman, a snake oil salesman.
Probably quite literally.
She got beheaded for it.
Yeah, which I think is a little bit harsh.
Just a tad.
Just a little bit.
And it's worth mentioning as well that the Saudi government actually has an anti-witchcraft unit which was established in 2009 and it's charged with apprehending sorcerers and reversing the detrimental effects of their spells.
That is actually no different to the disinformation unit.
It's finding people that are casting a kind of false consciousness by putting out divisive racist populism, like, you know, FBI crime statistics, and therefore subjecting them to struggle sessions to make sure that their jinn is exercised.
You're getting it, yeah.
It's also the Ministry of Magic from Harry Potter.
They're trying to track down Voldemort.
Yeah, they're just trying to stop him.
They're the good guys, really.
I can't believe it was established in 2009 as well.
You expect something like that to be a holdover from the 15th century.
Is that why, in Harry Potter, you don't see any representatives of the Global Wizard games from the Middle East?
They've all been killed.
They've all been got.
They also have anti-witchcraft courses as well.
The police, that is.
Just regular police, not just the division.
Because, of course...
We're afraid that being in so much close contract to witchcraft as part of the job, you don't want to fall under its spell.
You see, the Anglosphere, we got rid of our witches many years ago, so we don't have to deal with this anymore.
Do you have the NHS thing that Harry covered a little while ago mentioned in here?
No, go ahead.
Okay, so we do the same thing.
In the NHS, we have training to teach staff about Islamic entities like jinns and genies.
Oh yes, of course, because the possession by a genie could manifest as a medical condition, can't it?
Yeah, so as much as we're laughing, because we're importing all of these hostile foreign nationals, we're now replicating the exact same thing with all our tax money.
It's also worth mentioning as well, here they are talking about increased cases of witchcraft, like we talk about crime.
This is the Arab news, by the way.
Dramatic increase in incidence of black magic.
It's said to be rampant in the Western province.
I'm just imagining now, despite only making up 13% of the population, 52% of all witchcraft is committed by kuffirs.
Well, they use expats.
So that's their 1350 equivalent, is expats only make up an X amount of thing.
But they also use it to mythologise in a positive sense as well, because of course these djins aren't necessarily negative.
They can be good as well.
And they talk about Prophet Suleiman's djinn.
This is of course King Solomon.
They teach the Police to discern the good and bad gins?
Yes, they genuinely...
Good gin, bad gin.
So is this their excuse of why they don't have working infrastructure and running water?
The gins haven't been doing all the plumbing for the last year.
Well yeah, they're talking about the miracle of King Solomon building wells.
They're saying this was obviously built by a gin, even though you can see the tools.
We joke and say there's goblins in the wires when the video wall starts playing up.
So it's actually been negative gins this whole time.
Yeah, it's actually goblins, Harry.
Didn't you know?
Right, okay.
We're laughing.
Oh, dear lord, this was 2017.
We're laughing, but we are reporting people that genuinely believe this stuff in record numbers, and then we're wondering why nothing works.
It's because we're putting people in charge of very complex systems in terms of infrastructure and culture and the business of government who believe that actually it's out of their hands because genies run everything.
Yes.
It's also worth mentioning as well, there's research into this.
I'm not just making it up.
Here's a research paper.
Possession and exorcism in the Muslim migrant context.
And they actually went to Moscow, of all places.
To Moscow?
Yeah, let's scroll down and have a look at the abstract here.
Um...
So yeah, they went and talked to Muslim migrants in Moscow, and they're talking about exorcisms and things like that, and they looked deeply into the causes, and blah blah blah blah blah, and they looked at morality and authority and all that sort of stuff.
In this study, it's not my intention to delve too deeply into the analysis of what possession is or to determine its causes.
It is also worth mentioning as well that Stelios has covered that universities now offer courses in Islamic witchcraft and Islamic views on magic and he titled it Islamic Hogwarts which is ironic because both the UAE and Saudi Arabia have the Harry Potter books banned because of its promotion of witchcraft.
So that's the people we're dealing with, by the way.
This is the extreme.
This is what to bear in mind.
And it's also worth mentioning, it does manifest in other areas.
You may remember this.
This is one of my favourite segments I've ever done for Lotus Eaters, about a province in Zimbabwe.
I personally call it Rhodesia, but you can call it Zimbabwe.
Any looking goblin, son?
Just the one goblin, actually.
But yes, they were talking about their children waking up with their heads shaved and a woman found some dirt in her bits and she said a goblin must have put it there and it's just explanations for inexplicable things as well as they were talking about oh we drank a bottle of Jameson because we needed the empty bottle And a chicken to capture the goblin souls when we carry out the ceremony to purify the village.
Because all the crystals were full of the screaming liberals.
That's right, yeah.
There's a crystal shortage at the minute.
This is true.
But there's lots of sort of...
Our magic's real, okay?
Yeah, exactly.
So this is like the sub-Saharan African equivalent Of gin think is goblin think.
I'm sort of setting up a nexus of magic here, okay?
Josh, you're becoming Charlie and it's always sunny with his cork board figuring things out.
Gins, goblins, magic, Harry Potter.
I'm onto something.
You are, you are.
You're on something.
I wish.
Listen, it helps him focus.
But there's also here Lin Manuel talking about the ancient Etruscans, and he does make...
They talk about their belief in if the clouds collide, they do so because they want to release lightning, and it's sort of this superstitious magical thinking.
And...
He says the concept of the supernatural rests on free features and these are important things to outline.
Imminence, divine power is manifested in the world.
You could also supplant divine power with racism, misogyny, sexism, transphobia, white supremacy.
All of these sorts of things are good stand-ins for this.
Intentional, everything that happens in the world is a manifestation of divine intent.
And okay, this is one that I see some of the people who get a little bit too paranoid about the World Economic Forum.
Like, a local council will install some plant pots and they'll be like, Klaus Schwab personally ordered this.
It's like, I don't think the World Economic Forum is that powerful.
It's important to know about it, sure.
But I don't think they're doing everything.
They're not micromanaging plant pots, are they?
This is an important distinction that djinn think can affect those on the left and the right.
It's a part of the human condition that we're all susceptible towards.
And there's also a revelatory aspect.
Divine intent can be revealed by properly understanding material signs.
Now, if Carl were here, He would say, and I agree with him a little bit on this, is that I don't want to go too far the other direction as well, in that you demythologise absolutely everything.
Well, it's saying, as a colliery, man has no agency of his own.
The gods are active in his affairs, and his goal not should be to live a good or moral life, but to carefully examine the natural world for signs of the gods.
So this is antithetical to a lot of organised religion, which is why I wanted to read that, because it's not a religion bashing thing per se, but it's this sort of misfiring of an instinct.
As I see it.
Well, the thing that I would set, for example, Islam, apart from Christianity and ancient Greco-Roman paganism, is that, Larry Sidentop's got a good book on this, ancient Greco-Roman paganism and Christianity both believe in a sort of natural order to the world that can be derived through reason and pattern recognition, whereas the god of Allah and also the god of the Old Testament is a god of pure will.
And the entire world is set up according to this God's pure will.
So the entire structure of the world is arbitrary because God can decide at the drop of a hat to change it.
And so you have to live according to inferring signs of God's will.
And those most adherent to the doctrine that's been laid forth of the will are the most correct.
And so the world is governed by ungovernable forces.
And so you are subject to that and you have no agency.
And I don't think that's what Christianity and a lot of the Hellenic tradition would say.
So I'm glad to have cleared that up because it's not necessarily going out of its way to criticise that.
And there's a good example here from Cunley Druckberg.
I'm not going to read all of it because it's quite long and we're a bit pressed for time.
But basically he talks about this Polish explorer being in Africa and then at night time he sees a bunch of Africans holding...
I forgot what they're called, those things that you carry like a stretcher with a blanket over it, and they're moving diagonally, sort of like in Dune when they're trying to avoid the sandworms.
They have to move diagonally to avoid detection.
Basically asked other people, like, what is going on here?
And they didn't even want to talk about it, because by talking about it, it could invite the evil.
So even talking about...
Will not be named.
Voldemort, again, raises his ugly head.
So, they believed that the person who they were carrying, who died in a car accident, rather than it being a...
A break malfunction, as it's pointed out, and the fact that they were able to identify a material cause for this thing.
They said, well, obviously it was a malevolent spirit.
It's not a matter of what the cause was, it's a matter of finding out who did this and why.
So they'd already avoided Trying to explain it away in material ways, it already jumped to, well, whose fault was it?
I've actually seen this in workplaces when I did like bar work when I was at university.
When something would go wrong, rather than someone saying, how can we fix it, which is the most rational way of doing it, they say, who is responsible?
And, I mean, sometimes someone is responsible.
That's true.
But if your immediate, you know, reaction to finding a problem is who is responsible...
Scapegoing.
Yeah, it could well be.
And they never believed Josh when he told him it was the gins either.
Yeah, I mean, it's unbelievable.
I was rubbing my lamp and everything.
I was just like, look, I've even got it here.
People just need to start believing me.
But anyway, this was of course applied to politics as well, and here's Cunni Druckberg talking about sensible jinn brain, a type of high-level jinn brain where you have a mental block where you literally cannot conceive of explanations for events outside your moral framework of the world, and so try to explain them away as being due to reductive, sensible causes, for example misogyny.
And he's got Rory Stewart next to the sort of Western Muslim hold in here.
A jinn did it, yeah, and a misogyny did it, and this is in response to this.
There's a long thread here, but it does lead to a John McDonald tweet.
The key lesson of the trunk victory for us is that Labour has to deliver the significant improvements in quality of life that people can feel or we face the rise of right-wing populism that has swept America.
Half measures won't be enough.
Can you spot the gin in this?
Right-wing populism that has swept America, as if it's some sort of malevolent force that's come in and put everyone under a spell.
Yes, this malevolent force has come in and swept up a spell, and therefore we need to double down rather than acknowledge the material reality.
And this was Rory Stewart coping after the Donald Trump victory last week as well, sitting there saying, I thought that the forces of populism wouldn't rise up, which is basically, I hoped that the evil forces of the djinn wouldn't rise up and cast a spell on Americans.
Yes, exactly that.
And there is another one as well.
This is, of course, the Russian propaganda gin.
People are turning far right because of propaganda, and there is no elaboration.
This is another sensible gin brain, which is going to be the sort of Rory Stewart-esque British politics style gin brain that often gets trotted out.
Carol Codwalla is a perfect example of this.
Anytime Brexit happens or Trump happens, she instantly looks for how the Russians must have funded this.
Do you remember the other week, I think it was David Lammy and Keir Starmer, they were putting out warnings from the Home Office that Russia was going to start throwing out new disinformation attacks to try and turn people right-wing.
The Russians don't need to do anything.
You just need to follow the news to be turned right-wing news.
Kunle Drukpa put out a tweet responding to it, actually, of Putin sitting at his table, you know, coming up with ideas, and he goes, flood them with mass migration.
They've already done that, sir.
Okay, start shutting down their farms to attack this food supply.
They've started doing that already, sir.
Debase the currency.
They've been doing that for years, sir.
Okay, what else is there for me to do?
So here it says, propaganda machine here is another gin.
The current Labour government is historically record-breakingly unpopular, but propaganda is apparently going to give people an unfair view of it somehow due to gin magic.
And this is, of course, Paul Mason, gin whisperer-in-chief of the Labour regime.
He says, it can happen here.
He will back Farage.
The Musk propaganda machine will crank up against Labour.
The Tories will remould themselves into Trump-light Islamophobes, somehow.
Just, the propaganda will do this.
It has no acknowledgement of cause and effect.
And this is a wonderful example.
Pakistan in the 60s started developing a western style nuclear physics program to get nuclear facilities and eventually there was a general that was pushing Islamization and they moved further away from their Cambridge educated physicists and more towards investigating the chemical origins of evil spirits Whether mountains have roots.
What?
Yes.
Whether there's a link between general relativity and the ascension of Prophet Muhammad.
These are genuine things that the Pakistani government investigated.
And this is a direct quote from this thread from Stone Age Herbalist here.
One top nuclear scientist, Basharuddin Mahmood, shared with the Wall Street Journal his plan to harness jinns to power stations in order to solve Pakistan's energy problem.
So...
This is why we're going wrong with net zero.
Literal gin brain.
Okay, that's hilarious.
We're importing hundreds of thousands of these people.
I know, yeah.
Why don't we...
Wind farms, we need gin farms.
They're called distilleries, Harry.
Sorry.
Dad joke.
Here's another one here.
Stella Creasy says, Trump is now happening, so the answer to this problem lies in rebuilding trade with Europe.
Research shows Brexit can account for blah blah blah blah blah.
Talking about Brexit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Tom Jones here.
No relation, I imagine.
America has elected an Anglophone president, so we should do more trade with the continent that's grown much more slowly over the last 20 years instead.
Another stunning example of Trump means we need to do the thing I wanted to do anyway.
Gin brain.
It's true.
That's a good point that it's always for motivated reasoning as well.
And this one I quite liked because it's comparing Curtis Yarvin to the Gin Brain, which I agree with Yarvin on this one, where it's asking the question, why have things gotten so much worse recently?
And I couldn't put it better myself.
An incrementally evolving decentralized system of cultural, intellectual and political currents did it.
You forgot the um at the beginning and the various ums he would have put in every word.
I already do those anyway.
I don't want to do any more.
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
And the example Ajin did it.
These are the two opposing things.
I agree that it's a complex network of things.
It's not just this thing enters a system and gets X result.
The world doesn't operate like that.
I don't know.
I'm liking Gin Brain more and more by the minute.
If it means I don't have to listen to Curtis Yarvin speaking...
Well, I'm not saying everyone...
The antidote is everyone listen to Curtis Yarvin.
I'm just saying the world's more complicated.
I agree with Curtis Yarvin on many things.
He's just awful to listen to.
I'm sorry.
I appreciate some of your work, Curtis.
And the final thing I wanted to end on is Tucker Carlson's horrendous gin brain here, when he said that human forces did not create nuclear technology, instead it was demons.
Okay, steady on, he's cooking.
Come on, Connor, even you don't believe this.
It wasn't demons that made nuclear power stations.
Or the...
The nuclear bomb, it was communists who made that.
Same thing.
Communists made it, you say?
Okay.
So you could say that he was using a synonym.
No, no.
Talk a sincere here.
No, I know things.
So yes, he's basically saying that, you know, a genie did it in one way or another.
I love this picture!
That's great.
So...
I think by this point you probably get the point I'm trying to make, that there is a metacognitive lesson in all this ridiculousness that just saying this one thing causes this one output is so reductionistic to the point of it being a useless explanation.
Normally there are a multitude of different factors that feed into something, and it's one of those quirks of human psychology that we can all fall afoul of, no one's above it.
I'm not necessarily looking down my nose too much, although, to be fair, some of the Saudi Arabian stuff is a bit crazy.
But it's a cautionary tale and a good rhetorical device to have in your toolkit.
Excellent.
Right.
We've probably got about 10 minutes.
If we stretch it a little bit.
So, someone else has the mouse, so do they want to do the rumble?
Would you like to take the mouse?
Oh, we've also got some video comments as well.
I'll go through my rumble rants from my segment first, and then we can do the video comments.
So, that's a random name.
Kemi was late and forced to sit in the back.
You can't make this S up.
Haha.
Yeah, very true.
Hewitt, too young to turn grey, all of this blackpilling is turning poor Harry ginger.
I'm not ginger.
You are ginger at the minute.
I'm dirty blonde and the light makes it look ginger.
You look like General Hux from the sequels.
You know how much I hate that comparison, you bastard.
Oh yeah!
It's not true.
He didn't have anywhere near the style that I do.
Blankfield.
Not asking for a blood sport, and this is regarding the Andrew Wilson thing.
Just pass on the message to open a dialogue behind the scenes.
Maybe you could facilitate it, Connor.
I don't know Andrew and I don't listen to him, so it's going to be difficult.
Thank you for the request.
Jack Stretch Jones, I don't know if Josh remembers my question about hate or fear, which is preferable to be accused, phobic slash fearing or anti slash hating, which would be perceived as coming from a strong slash dominant person?
Hating.
Hate is strong, fear is weak.
Anger is the immune system of the soul.
Yeah.
Glee777, we're told not to tap the glass at the zoo, just saying.
I'm not sure what that's in reference to.
That's a random name.
We like people who look like us, eh, Josh?
Then that explains my yellow fever.
Either you yourself are Asian, or you're very jaundiced, so...
Yeah, do remember we're not a free country.
I hope you're alright.
Don't send things that we can't read out.
Remember to pray for King Charles.
God shows he will hold the monarch responsible when their lack of leadership leads the people turning from God.
Yeah, I think he'll be held pretty responsible.
Shadowband for $10.
Thank you very much.
I used to like this podcast, but you need to tone down the ginophobia.
Many gin are helpful.
My household gin does the dishes in exchange for crystal meth.
You might want to skip over that one.
I need to skip over two, but just to say J668, et cetera, et cetera, that I feel you there, friend.
That's a random name.
I felt inspired by this segment, so here's a haiku.
The genie is here.
It makes me oppress women.
A misogynie.
Very good, very good.
That's so bad it's good, isn't it?
And BaldEagle1787, in Russia, gin doesn't influence you, you influence gin.
At this point, the Russian gin is the most powerful thing on the planet, so why does the government think they can fight it?
Question.
Excellent.
On to the video comments, then.
Some studies talk say capsaicin fit pecin live longer.
One 2019 Italian study discovered say peepo way day chop food way get chili pepper four times a week get lower risk of death compared to those way no day chop food way get pepper.
That's my favourite quote from the Phantom Menace, by the way.
Jar Jar was slaying with that one.
Why are we paying for this?
To be fair, I would happily, if all the BBC shut down, I'd happily pay just a little bit extra so we can keep Pigeon going, because it's a great source of entertainment.
On to the next one.
To clarify, Carl, the entities are manifestations of fear who seek to grow and spread like a cancer, though they're more of a primordial force than a sapient organism.
Avatars are people who have fallen under the influence of an entity and serve it in exchange for supernatural powers.
The entities are broad in their categories, so the Eye is not just the fear of being watched or stalked, but the fear of learning horrifying knowledge that drives you to despair, or having a deep dark secret revealed about you.
The Buried is not just claustrophobia, but the fear of being crushed by something far more metaphorical such as debt or responsibility.
Anyway lads, pick one so I can write you as avatars as villains for the campaign I'm doing.
I think you already had me right as the Dark, to be honest.
I didn't see yours, I was looking at mine, and he said, I don't know, something about building a physique and being the frontman of a metal band, yep.
Avatar of the flesh.
Stelios, Avatar of question marks.
Bo is an enigma.
Probably the first Avatar the player character will meet, and the primary antagonist to the first arc, since the player character unknowingly serves the eye, which is in stark opposition to the Dark.
Well, Stelios has got to actually turn out to be the ultimate bad guy, right?
Because he's so unassuming.
He's gonna be, like in the first God of War, you repeatedly run into the Gravedigger character, who later turns out to be Zeus, who then turns into a bad guy.
That's Stelios.
Avatar of Ice.
Yeah, the Mediterranean.
There's one small problem with mine, and it says that I run a pleasant social club that I do in my spare time.
I'm basically a shut-in that doesn't like seeing people, so you might want to remove that, but purely for role-playing purposes.
Connor can be some kind of, if he's a shut-in, some kind of shaman that you visit.
Every once in a while you need to bring him some kind of quest item, and he'll give you secrets.
Oh, I'm like Xur from Destiny.
I show up once on a Friday with random exotic items.
Yeah, yeah, he's a secret merchant.
It's going to get clipped.
If you love shooting and hate the way the greys are wiping out the reds, we might have the perfect job for you.
The Scottish Wildlife Trust is hoping to appoint a new eradication lead to help save Scotland's dwindling population of reds.
Bradford says the successful candidate must be a strong leader.
They must also have a robust understanding of scientific methods relating to conservation projects.
Most of all, though, they must be committed to the complete eradication of grey squirrels from Aberdeen.
For that, the lucky candidate will be paid around £29,000 a year.
This has been a party political broadcast from the Alternative for Deutschland.
They're literally trying to come up with action Reinhard camps for grey squirrels.
Nuts will set you free.
On with the next one.
I wanted to make a Lotus Eaters-based tier list.
Feel free to suggest any changes, and remember, D-tier is still based.
Let's start with Bo, in B-tier.
Bo is too based for the far-left conform-reform-UK party, so they kicked him out.
Us viewers begged him to be on the podcast more after his first appearance.
Bo is steadfast in his honest views.
At times, when asked his opinion, he'd rather keep silent than censor his true thoughts, which could land Lotus Eaters in some hot water.
That's true.
See how it pans out.
I'm surprised Bo's in B. Yeah, who's going to be in S? Only you knew.
Let's go to the written comments on the page.
One second.
I can't help but feel it's going to be you and me, Josh.
I hope so.
Lady Dragonhawk.
Harry is slaying with a three-piece suit.
The rest of you all need to start taking notes, lads.
Thank you very much.
I have them.
I save waistcoats for weddings and that's about it.
I don't own waistcoats because they make me warm.
I like waistcoats with the suit.
I think it brings the whole thing together.
I've already got enough padding in my belly.
I don't need it to get even hotter.
People are complimenting the thumbnail as well, so there you go.
Arizona Desert Rat for my segment.
They shouldn't have life in prison, they should be deported to their country of origin.
Quite, but the majority of them aren't, unfortunately.
Delicious holiday pork rinds.
I feel like that's a reference to something.
Maybe they were just hungry.
So the solution for dealing with child rapists is to put them in places where they can be hyper-radicalised and then after ten years release them back into the British population.
No possible problems with that.
Yeah.
I've got a piece out for Courage Media at the moment which goes over how prisons have been turned into Islamic radicalisation centres, so check that out.
Harry, do you want to do something from yours?
Uh, yes.
Because sadly, he does seem to be a conservative party power broker.
He's one of the guys behind the scenes who puts people in the positions that they get rich from.
They don't serve the country.
Delicious holiday pork rinds again.
Global socialists go about proclaiming a maximisation of human rights, yet only view humans as interchangeable economic units.
An American buffet of delicious irony.
Canis Familiaris says, As a Norwegian, I approve of Kemi's lacklustre tardiness.
All invaders of Britain, past and present, must unite in lacking basic timekeeping skills.
Josh, let's go through.
So, Sam Weston says, thank you very much for giving us this segment, Josh.
The LGBDGIN community will be very pleased with this representation, and then I suppose to end off, Omar Awad says, I might be oversampling from the single cat lady who practices witchcraft demographic, but I think there's a significant overlap between gin brain and gin brain.
Yeah, they're more boxed wine than gin.
Gin's a Dino drink.
I've seen plenty of them drink gin as well.
Now that we've been saying gin so much, it's no longer a word.
Gin, gin, gin, gin, gin, gin, gin.
Gin, gin, gin.
Is this the title credits for like a kid's cartoon or something?
Yes.
Right, on that note, thank you very much ladies and gentlemen.
I will be back in about half an hour at Tomlinson Talks, but otherwise we'll be back tomorrow at 1 o'clock.
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