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	Good afternoon, folks. Welcome to the podcast. The Lotus Eaters for the 14th of October 2024 It is Monday, so bad news.
	But good news. I'm joined by Stelios and Beau.
	Hello, everyone. And we're going to be talking about whether there was, in fact, a third assassination attempt on Donald Trump, why Elon Musk is making the bureaucratic class of the West look incompetent, and like they could all be fired and why the right keeps working with hope not hate because that's a perennial question in British politics apparently No particular announcements today, so let's crack on.
	Right. So throughout this weekend, there have been several rumors about a third assassination attempt against Donald Trump.
	And there was something that happened in his rally.
	Somebody did something. Someone did something.
	So everything is a matter of speculation now.
	But in his rally in California's Coachella's Valley, there has been an arrest.
	Someone was arrested, then posted a $5,000 bail and was released.
	But we have conflicting reports here.
	Some people say that this person was about to assassinate Donald Trump, or at least to try.
	Others say that this has been a terrible mistake.
	So throughout the weekend we had several accounts like DC Drano and other people saying a third assassination attempt against Trump was stopped by cops in California.
	The shooter had forged VIP passes so this was a sophisticated operation and they're talking about stochastic terrorism and the Democrats immunizing Trump.
	And I think it's just worth pointing out that this is a very real concern that the Democrats rhetoric about Trump has been I mean, extreme?
	Absolutely, because we would never be talking about it had it not been for that rhetoric.
	Yeah, and it's very unlikely there would have been multiple attempts on Trump's life were the Democrats to talk about him like he was a normal politician.
	Stuff like saying he must be stopped.
	Yeah, saying that he's Hitler, he's going to be a dictator, he's never going to leave office, he's going to do all sorts of various terrible things, so it would be morally justified from within the American framework to do what they're essentially inciting people to do.
	Saying whatever it takes, he must be stopped.
	I always remember De Niro saying, he will never leave, he will never leave.
	So unlike the previous attempts, this is a case where no shot was fired.
	And the arrest took place before even Trump reached the place where he was going to give his speech.
	So we have here Sheriff Chad Bianco saying that he thinks he prevented the third assassination attempt.
	His name's Chad?
	Yeah, you see here, Sheriff Chad Bianco.
	So this is a name that commands respect.
	I don't know about Bianco.
	It seems a bit Hispanic.
	You think they're canceling each other out?
	A bit feminine. Yeah, Chad's a good start, but Bianco's a bit of a girlie.
	I think he definitely did his job.
	Oh yeah, he seems to be doing a good job, yeah.
	Right, so we have here a New York Post article saying armed man Van Miller arrested outside Trump's Coachella rally as local sheriff insists it was the third assassination attempt despite letting the perpetrator walk on meagre 5k dollar bail.
	And we have here Miller...
	Hang on, sorry. He is saying affirmatively that it's an assassination attempt but for five grand he can just go free.
	Not exactly, because it's a bit complicated when it comes to the legal issues of what he was charged with, which was weapon charges, where the jurisdiction of the federal government and the federal agencies comes in.
	I don't know anything about this.
	I'm literally learning it right now.
	But you don't know what's in someone's mind, really, do you?
	You can never know the intent exactly.
	But I don't know the details, so I'll let you carry on.
	We can never know the intent. And that's why even he says it's all up for speculation.
	But in cases of uncertainty, which are the cases where, you know, almost every one of us We have to make some considered judgments and calculate the probabilities.
	So what he thinks is that the probabilities are that he and his forces prevented the third assassination attempt.
	This is his side.
	So we're going to just say what each side says and not take a stance on this.
	At least I won't take a stance.
	We just want to show you what happened and again, as Bo said, it's all up to speculation.
	But it lands for interesting speculation because now, because there were no shots fired, everyone can just come forward and put all the theories about what happened.
	I'll let you get to it, but I'll be interested to know what the weapon was.
	You'll see. I'll let you get to it.
	Right, so Miller 49 was caught at a police checkpoint allegedly trying to enter the rally with a phony press pass, but when cops noticed his car was unregistered, they searched the vehicle and discovered a number of fake passports and driver's licenses along with a shotgun, a loaded handgun and a high-capacity magazine.
	Right, but he wasn't trying to take those into the rally, was he?
	They were in his truck.
	All right, so he was trying to take the truck.
	In his car. So what happened was that he tried to enter with his car into that...
	Right. So he was trying to take...
	Yeah, so he passed the first...
	Yeah. It's definitely suspicious.
	Oh yeah. It's very suspicious. So there were at least two stages of control.
	He passed the first one and he went into the second one where there is more intense control and the people there from the Riverside County Sheriff's Department They started looking at several suspicious signs.
	So they said that the car looked a bit suspicious.
	The license plate seemed forged.
	If you have the eye, you can see there's something wrong with these plates.
	They went in to check.
	They said the car was in total mess inside.
	Always suspicious. Always suspicious.
	You don't have many people whose cars are messy.
	KFC buckets and empty Mountain Dew in the passenger side footwear.
	Definitely a terrorist.
	That prompted more checks and they started looking at stuff and they saw that he had several passports and also several driving licenses.
	And they found the guns.
	And they said, okay, let's not take any chance with it.
	They arrested him. And they could arrest him just for the gun charges, gun possession charges.
	So we see here the sheriff.
	We can see what he says here.
	That everything happened before Donald Trump arrived.
	I can let the sheriff speak for himself.
	But we have his name as Vem, V-E-M, Miller, M-I-L-L-E-R, and his birth date is 10-26-1974.
	And the reason why I gave it to you like that is I will explain later.
	He approached the outside perimeter, gave all indications that he belonged there, that he was a participant that was allowed to get into VIP and a press corps, and so he was allowed through that outer perimeter.
	As he got to the inside perimeter, where deputies were conducting obviously a more thorough evaluation of the vehicles that were coming in, there were many irregularities that popped up.
	The deputy noticed that the interior of the vehicle was in quite disarray.
	The vehicle had an obviously fake license plate, and that prompted further investigation from our deputy into why the person was there and what he was doing.
	During that investigation, the deputy eventually found multiple passports with multiple names, multiple driver's license with different names.
	The vehicle was unregistered.
	And the license plate was what we in law enforcement would recognize as one that is homemade and indicative of a group of individuals that claim to be sovereign citizens and assuming, the deputy assumes that he was part of that identifying group.
	I was bonkers.
	They say also that he's part of a group called Sovereign Citizens that Wemm Miller will deny it afterwards.
	And we'll see he denies all the allegations.
	Right, we have also the other bit here because essentially what goes on here is speculation.
	The sheriff didn't want to take any chances.
	So it seems to me that that's the case.
	So they said that, you know, that's a suspicious vehicle that prompted for more searching for a more intense search.
	And they found all these fake passports and all these, these driving licenses and the loaded guns.
	And the sheriff said, you know, I saw many of you people here in previous rallies, you didn't have guns.
	So that was suspicious.
	And many people are saying that he was sort of panicked and that he is trying to make a case for himself.
	He tries to make a public image of himself and catch the public eye and say that he did prevent this.
	I'll just also let him speak here about the stuff because he essentially says that it's commonsensical to think that this person was going to try to do this.
	You turn up with fake passports and a car with fake licenses full of guns.
	Yeah, that's pretty suspicious.
	I do think it's suspicious, although what we said about the weapons.
	Shotgun isn't your classic...
	No, but he had a handgun as well, didn't he?
	Yeah, still, they're both close-range things, really.
	So, you're saying there's an angle here that Sheriff Chad Bianco himself is trying to get some spotlight?
	Is that what some people are saying?
	There are people who said that he overreacted.
	And that, apart from the overreaction, the statements are a bit, you know, he tried to boost his image.
	I think the reaction seems to be justified.
	There have been two prior attempts on Trump.
	Some guy with a bunch of fake IDs turns up with a car with guns in it.
	It's not an unreasonable...
	Help yourself. It's not an unreasonable response at all.
	Let's see what he says here.
	So this is what I'm glad of.
	This is what I am very glad of.
	I know that the presence that we had at the rally with deputies, with snipers, with counter snipers and secret service snipers and counter snipers, I am glad that we're not talking about this after we shot him.
	We get to talk about it before, and no matter what, it's all going to be speculation about what his intentions were getting there.
	What we do know is he showed up with multiple passports with different names, an unregistered vehicle with fake license plate, and loaded firearms.
	If you're asking me right now, I probably did have deputies that prevented the third assassination attempt.
	If we are that politically lost, that we have lost sight of common sense and reality and reason, that we can't say that, holy crap, what did he show up with all of that stuff for and loaded guns, and I'm going to be accused of being dramatic?
	We have a serious, serious problem in this country because this is common sense and reason.
	I saw some of you there yesterday.
	You didn't have guns and fake IDs.
	I don't know how else to explain it.
	I think that's a totally reasonable position.
	Fair point, yeah. I think it's a fair point, and he did his job.
	He did his job well. No one died.
	Well, yeah. So, I think that...
	The thing is, people will be like, oh, well, sovereign citizens aren't pro-democrats.
	Like, no, but they're anti-dictator.
	You know, they're very much concerned with the sort of hardline view of classical liberal liberties.
	And so, if the media is just like, dictator, dictator, Hitler, Hitler, it's entirely possible that some bonkers guy is just like, right, well, I've got to go and do this to prevent...
	You know, the future dictatorship, whatever.
	So, now it's interesting to present the other side.
	Yep. To see the side of people who say that most probably he didn't want to assassinate Donald Trump.
	Let's just... So they say that this person, Vem Miller, is someone who is frequenting Republican rallies.
	And he has taken photos with several people from the Republican side.
	I'll show you pictures with Vivek, with Jordan Peterson...
	And other people.
	So let's see him here at the Republican National Convention, which was held in July, the 15th to the 18th.
	He was there. Essentially, he was lamentable.
	So one thing I don't get is that everything at this convention, at the Republican National Convention, is cashless.
	This whole place is cashless.
	So I don't know.
	See, that's the Republican National Convention behind me.
	Wonderful people, wonderful time.
	I'm just not happy that it's all cashless.
	So, they're saying that this isn't a person who just happened to, out of nowhere, just attend a Donald Trump rally.
	He has been, he is going to several of these rallies and he's also known to a lot of people.
	So here we see him with Dennis Quaid.
	I wonder who that was. Dennis Clay.
	Who played now in the Reagan film.
	And there you see him also.
	You'll see if we play the video here.
	He also has photographs with, let's go here, with Vivek and other people.
	It's not loading now. We'll take it.
	We'll take it, yeah. So, and they're saying essentially that he is breaking his silence and he is saying that he is essentially a pro-Trump Republican ever since 2018.
	And a friend of his and podcaster, I'll show you, I'll show her to you.
	Yeah. Right-wing documentarian Mindy Robinson said Miller has been a MAGA activist for years, had no intention of killing the former president and said she has been to several pro-Trump events with him.
	You see her here?
	Yeah? Right, so we see here he says that it has been a misunderstanding.
	So he just happened to have these things in his car.
	He happens to be a disorderly person.
	He happens to have got a bunch of false passports.
	He happens to have fake license plates.
	You'll see what he says with the passports.
	He says he is from Armenia and he has documents with the original Armenian name, but also a name that he changed into in 2022.
	So it gets a bit more complicated.
	So we see here a friend and business partner of Miller told Daily Mail he is a full-blown Trump supporter and slammed the police for not understanding his one of us.
	I won't say that whether he was trying to assassinate Donald Trump or not, I think that this statement is completely mistaken on behalf of the friend.
	Yeah, I think it's totally fair for the police to be skeptical about Yes, so people are not mind readers, so if people are acting suspiciously, the job of the people who are entrusted with the protection of Donald Trump is to protect Donald Trump.
	We're not in Minority Report when we have those three ancient lasses who are reading minds.
	I don't remember. He says that he has literally never shot a gun in his life, that he had these guns to protect himself in case he was attacked.
	You might need to learn how to use them then.
	Yeah. He says he's an artist, the last person that could cause any violence and harm to anybody.
	Okay. He says that the accusations were a complete BS. He's a Trump supporter ever since 2018.
	He initially thought that he would support Obama in the past, but he then drifted rightward to libertarianism.
	Sure. He thinks that Trump is the embodiment of freedom of speech, at least in this case.
	Fair. He deeply admires him.
	And he says now that's where the plot...
	That's where it's interesting.
	Miller also says that there are no falsified IDs on his person.
	So he denies the allegations that the IDs were fake.
	What about the press pass? And that there was confusion because he's Armenian and some use his full birth name and others don't to avoid potential anti-Armenian sentiment around the world.
	And says his 2021 court documents, because he was in a feud with his then wife, Name him as Van Vim Yanovkian, also known as Van Miller Yanovkian.
	Miller filed in Clark County, Nevada to change his name to Van Miller in 2022.
	The court appears to have granted the request.
	He further denied allegations made by Sheriff Chad Bianco that he was part of an anti-government sovereign citizens movement.
	So, he is denying the allegations.
	And here we can see the documents where he is named as Van Vim Yanovkian.
	Right, so I think that this doesn't address the suspicious behaviour.
	Also, maybe I've lost something that we haven't heard about the plates.
	Just to be kind, I mean, he could be a kook.
	For me, the thing is, we've got to address the guns.
	Having multiple documents with not exactly the same name on all of them, okay.
	And if there's a reason for it, then absolutely okay.
	But now there's a little bit about American gun culture and British gun culture.
	So the fake licences and the fake press passes.
	Yeah, that is suspicious. And don't have fake plates on your car.
	That's just not allowed, I don't think so.
	Don't falsify papers trying to get close to the President.
	All those things are a bit weird and suspicious, but not really a big deal.
	Doesn't make you an assassin, does it, in any way, shape or form.
	The gun thing though, so lots of, not just Americans, but all sorts of non-British people think that you can't have guns in Britain.
	You can. Yeah, there are millions of guns.
	Yeah, you can totally get, you can get like up to, you can get big rifles.
	You can get hunting rifles, shotguns.
	Yeah. You just can't get handguns.
	Yeah, it's just handguns that are more or less entirely banned.
	But you can get guns in Britain, they're not completely banned.
	However, we do have a different culture to America.
	Now, having said that, just don't take guns to a political rally, though.
	That's what's suspicious to me.
	That's why January the 6th didn't seem very suspicious to me at all.
	Really, the Republicans, the gun lovers, they're overthrowing the Republic, and not one of them is armed.
	I'm not sure that's the overthrow attempt you're making out to be.
	It's like, if you're just a pro-gun person in America and you live in California and you've got guns and you take them in your car for self-defense and all that sort of thing, fine, I guess.
	Don't go to a Trump rally with them though.
	That's the one point for me where it's like, you've got shotgun and handguns with higher capacity mags in the vehicle though, just leave those at home today.
	That's the real, for me, the crux so far, what I'm learning is that was a mistake.
	I think the counter-response would be that, you know, if there is someone who does try to assassinate Trump and shoot other people, maybe you need to protect yourself against them.
	But I think that...
	It's not going to be your turn. You let the Secret Service do that.
	Yeah, I think it leads into chaos.
	And that's the issue that I want to address the people who are lashing out against the sheriff.
	That you literally can't have it both ways.
	Because if something happened, everyone would say he didn't do his job.
	He was, do you want to be overzealous?
	Yeah, he should be overzealous.
	Protecting Donald Trump.
	He did his job. Now people again are...
	I don't think so.
	In my mind so far, I'm not putting any blame or anything on Chad.
	None at all, yeah. He's acted perfectly.
	His job is to be overzealous at this point.
	The last thing any sheriff would want is for something to go down on their patch.
	Oh yeah, it would be the end of his career.
	So he'd be responsible.
	I mean, he's probably not a big Democrat.
	I doubt he wants that.
	So what happened now to come to an end with the segment is that he was arrested for gun charges.
	He was let out on bail, on $5,000 bail.
	And Sheriff Chad Bianco says that he is in contact with federal agencies about the other stuff or investigating the other bits about the passports and the plates and the overall state of his car.
	Messy state of his car.
	But the federal agencies are thinking that it's unlikely that he tried to assassinate Trump.
	And here we have them say that It's unlikely that it happened, and the FBI is not investigating it as such, sources told The Post, who noted Miller is a member of an anti-government far-right group and probably had the weapons for personal defense alone.
	So they are essentially saying something different now.
	They are contradicting Miller, who said that he isn't a part of any kind of group.
	The federal agencies seem to be saying that he is part of a group, but he didn't want to assassinate Donald Trump.
	It's all a bit of a mess.
	It looks like it's just some kooky guy who thought, oh, I could get in and get a good seat or something.
	I don't know. It doesn't sound like he was trying to actually kill Trump.
	So you see, it's all a matter of speculation and the point, and you see, if you just hear the one side on the one hand and just form an opinion from that one side, everyone will say, no, he definitely wanted to assassinate Donald Trump.
	If they hear other sides and other data, maybe there is occasion for a different judgment to be made.
	But I think what seems to me very clear is that this sheriff did his job.
	Yeah. If I had to put a bit of money on it, everything I've learned in the last 25 minutes, and I have come into this cold, I didn't know anything about this until we start this segment, I will probably put money on that the guy's not an assassin, but that Chad Bianchi, Bianco, did his job.
	I don't know if he wanted to assassinate him or not, but I think the sheriff did his job.
	All right, moving on then.
	All right, can you scroll down on the document to my bit?
	Super, okay. So, we're going to talk about Uncle Elon again.
	I love it with the space stuff.
	Yeah, yeah. Elon's doing a great job.
	Yeah. Like, everything, it seems, you know.
	He's a good executive manager.
	My never-ending campaign to get noticed and picked as ship's poet for the Mars mission.
	No, Starship did the first landing with the Mechazilla.
	Play it. Play the VT. Run VT, Samson.
	So Starship. The sound.
	Pure power. Actually, they call it Mechazilla, don't they?
	The stanchion crane thing catching it.
	The mechanic Godzilla.
	I mean, can we just briefly talk about how this doesn't look real, right?
	Yeah, play the other two clips while we're talking, Santa.
	Yeah, so this... Yeah, it's almost unbelievable to the eye, isn't it?
	In the era of AI... I mean, it's not just that, it's the way the thing is designed.
	It's coming in fast as well, doesn't it?
	I've heard that about the shuttle, it comes in fast.
	Yeah, but it's only got like one rocket at the bottom, which makes it look like it's just flip over or something, right?
	It doesn't look like it should be able to do this, and so when it's coming down very controlled, to actually be grabbed by this crane...
	I mean, genuinely spectacular feat of engineering.
	Just a saying, I am doing a fedora tip here, but it's more like 36 rockets under it.
	Oh, I don't know. But still, I know what you're saying.
	It doesn't have, like, side rockets or balance it.
	There are little ones.
	But nonetheless, I mean...
	It doesn't quite look real, does it?
	No, no. Just an incredible feat of human engineering.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, one of the more impressive things we've ever done.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like...
	Just turn the sound off and talk over it, but it's just...
	That level of precision...
	Again, just look at it.
	There are so many things that could go wrong with this.
	So many things have to line up perfectly in order to make this happen.
	It could all just fly out of control, things blow up, and that's it.
	Okay, that's hundreds of billions of dollars down the drain, and this was a boondoggle.
	This didn't work. But instead, that happened, and the response wasn't exactly spectacular from the powers that be, was it?
	Oh, well, yeah, among other things.
	I mean, most normal people, most reasonable people, just look at something like that and think, wow, what an incredible feat.
	Yeah, because it is.
	So here's just one thing before we go on to it, just one other bit of Elon News at the moment, that he tweeted something a bit spicy.
	About the fact that no one's trying to kill Kamala Harris.
	Yeah, just an observation.
	Yeah, but if you were ill-intentioned, You could read it as being an implicative statement.
	I suppose you could. The thing is, I don't think Elon was looking at it that way at all.
	I think he was bringing his kind of autistic analysis to it and be like, well, you can tell who's the threat to the system by who's getting the assassination attempts.
	And he was completely correct in the chat with Tucker Carlson about it.
	Yeah, I mean, Kamala Harris is just a puppet.
	Obviously true. It just is an observation, although a spicy one.
	Yeah. But apparently the Secret Service wanted everyone to, not only that they are aware, but want everyone to know that they're aware.
	Again, it's just one more little dig at Elon for sort of daring to say something, right?
	But okay, if we move on.
	So, yeah, just talk about how he's under attack from all different angles.
	For political reasons.
	For, yeah, political reasons.
	And people in California, various bureaucrats in California have been, I think, fairly open that it's just for political reasons.
	So, what was I going to say?
	No, no. Yeah, so Elon with Starlink, they launch all sorts of stuff, more the Falcon stuff, sort of all the time.
	Elon is launching things into low Earth orbit kind of all the time, or SpaceX rather, not Elon personally, lighting the fuse.
	And so yeah, in California, because the big ones in Texas, isn't it?
	The big spaceport.
	And there's obviously Cape Canaveral in Florida.
	Is it Cape Kennedy or Cape Canaveral?
	They've changed it a few times.
	Anyway, people in the chat are going mad.
	And also launched stuff from California.
	And yeah, they're just trying to thwart him on multiple fronts.
	I think there's a reason, and symbolically, Elon Musk, in the woke mind, in the Democrat mind, is like, have you watched the movie Don't Look Up on Netflix?
	Yeah, they had the equivalent of his character, a billionaire who walks into the White House, talks to Meryl Streep, who was the president, allegedly being an allegory for Trump and saying that, you know, I'm going to be the billionaire who's going to assist you with a comet that's coming to destroy Earth.
	And all his mechanics were just more functioned and the world was destroyed.
	Yeah, that seems to be working, though.
	That's why they hate it.
	So, just a quick thing.
	Did Biden or Kamala congratulate Elon on this great success?
	Not that I'm aware of.
	Yeah, I didn't see it. They might well have done, but not that I saw.
	Yeah, you'd think it would be front and center on their Twitter accounts.
	This incredible achievement of American engineering.
	Yeah. How our country is advancing the frontiers of human knowledge and capabilities.
	They don't want to increase his reach on Twitter.
	No, they don't. They don't want to give him kudos.
	No, unironically. That's impossible, though.
	He's got 200 million.
	But they don't want people thinking well of him.
	That's the problem. And it's political.
	Anyone other than the most staunch Democrats are going to be the most indifferent, if not just a fan.
	What's not impressive about what he's doing here.
	So, just while we're talking...
	Just to be clear as well. When we say Elon, we mean Elon at the apex of a giant institution and team who have all made this happen, obviously.
	Oh God, yeah. Elon's not designing the specifications of it.
	He's more like the visionary in the...
	Yeah, he's the executive.
	Oh, another thing to add, to just expand on my Elon sycophancy is I'd like to express sycophancy towards the entire SpaceX team.
	Everyone that works there.
	Brilliant stuff. I wish I was younger and much more brilliant and I could join you in that journey.
	I really wish I could, but it's not going to happen for me now.
	So Samson, just while we're talking, if you just click through the various links, because they're all sort of the same, based on the same sort of headlines.
	Oh, well, actually, one thing we was going to say, one angle we was going to take is that Elon is something like a great man of history.
	He probably will go down in the books for decades, perhaps even a few centuries to come, as someone worthy of note in the early 21st century.
	Certainly. Seems that way.
	Someone like a John D. Rockefeller type figure that even 100 years later people will know the name and stuff.
	Yeah, I'm personally quite a fan of the Great Man of History, Thomas Carlyle's Great Man of History theory, because it seems to actually hold a lot of weight.
	The Whig view of history is that history is a kind of inevitable upwards progress, which obviously isn't true.
	And Carlyle had a kind of cyclical view, so things get better and then things decline and then things get better and things decline.
	And the Great Man makes things happen based on his own executive power and ability and capacity.
	And this is, I think, pretty borne out against the Whig view, in that the fact that the Great Man is often struggling against forces that don't want change, and he makes the change anyway, and in fact, a lot of the time, it's everyone is against the Great Man, and yet he ends up winning in the end.
	So Julius Caesar is a great example of this.
	I mean, almost any great conqueror in history is against some titanic forces.
	And Elon Musk is against the entire deep state of American establishment.
	He's against it all.
	Same with Trump. And they seem to be accomplishing in the face of it.
	And no one's going to remember Kamala Harris in a hundred years, but they may well remember Elon Musk.
	And so, again, I'm much more drawn to this issue.
	As a theory with explanatory power than, oh, things just happen, bro.
	No, you can see the amount of effort and willpower and competency that is requiring to get over these hurdles.
	These aren't things that just happen on their own.
	No, this is a product of a particular small cabal of people led in a particular way against various forces to which they overcome.
	And so I think that's just far more sensible of you.
	It seems to be true.
	So we thought we'd do a very quick show for my show, Behind the Paywall, of epochs, where we talk about great men a fair few times.
	We talk about them a lot. Caesar, Augustus, Nelson there, the Duke of Wellington, Arthur Wellersley, Frederick the Great, the classic example of where it's the whole world against him, basically.
	I said in the office earlier, like a game of risk, when everyone realises one person's going to win in the next turn.
	So everyone just piles on them.
	Frederick, great classic example.
	But like Napoleon... You see this with the endorsements of Kamala at the moment.
	Everyone, like the media, the deep state, all the Democrats.
	Loads of... Business owners, loads of actors, celebrities, they're all lining up to oppose the paradigm that Elon is trying to usher in here.
	And the question of whether he's a great man or not is whether he wins.
	You become the great man by overcoming everyone else.
	Everyone versus you and you still win.
	That way maybe you can carve a great man spot for yourself in history.
	Yeah, I think you're right. You talked about Carlisle.
	Also, there's just the Marxist view of history, where great men don't really matter.
	It's all about trends, economic trends, class forces, all sorts of things like that.
	Dan Carlin put it well, and I just completely agree.
	It's both. It's just both.
	At the same time.
	I mean, a good example of this is Alexander the Great.
	If Alexander the Great didn't inherit Philip of Macedon's army, there's no Alexander conquering Persia.
	Philip's army, for anyone who doesn't know, was Alexander's dad, and he spent his life building up an amazing military machine.
	And if that wasn't in place for Alexander to inherit when he was, like, 19, he's not invading the Persian Empire, right?
	He's not going to invade the Persian Empire with a ragtag bunch of people and overthrow it.
	So there is a kind of material base upon which the great man's will must operate.
	It's definitely both. I think Bodo has a point that it's both.
	Yeah, I'm making the point. No, no, I'm not saying that.
	I agree. Because there are people who will just come and say, well, had it not been for Philip, Alexander wouldn't be what he made.
	So he owed all of it to Philip.
	I think he had an individual input.
	Yeah, well, that's the point.
	It's still... The will of Alexander to invade Persia, but he did require a certain level of material position.
	History is absolutely littered with examples of where there's been a great man that moved history, made a world of difference, changed all of subsequent history because one man made a particular decision.
	It was born out of just his mind.
	A couple of examples spring to mind is Clive of India just before the Battle of Plassey.
	Everyone said, don't go in there, it's 8 to 1, maybe 20 to 1, that's crazy.
	And he ummed and I'd thought about it for a moment, well, for a while, and then said, no, we're doing it.
	Yeah, we can do this. And all of history, certainly for the subcontinent, is different due to that.
	One example of Napoleon in Spain, when he decided at one point he was sort of called back to Central Europe, Germany, to fight.
	He was in Spain at the time and it's a great image in my mind anyway.
	He sort of takes himself off alone for a while pondering whether he should stay in Spain or not and decided not to.
	He'll leave it to his brother and his marshals and he'll go off to Germany.
	A lot of history could have been very very different on just that one decision but as I say history is absolutely littered with it.
	Caesar deciding that he is going to in fact cross the Rubicon Right, there's sort of endless examples.
	Again, in the face of all of the incentives not to do so, it wasn't a necessary choice for Caesar to cross the room, for Alexander to invade Persia.
	He actually didn't have to do that.
	His life probably would have been a lot easier and longer, had he not.
	He would have just been like the Emperor of Greece, basically.
	He had a big kingdom in Greece.
	He would have been rich, he would have been powerful, but he decided, no, I'm going to go for it.
	Hannibal deciding he's going to cross the Alps with elephants in winter.
	Yeah. There's nothing necessary about that.
	And then not besiege Rome after Canary.
	It goes on and on and on. Like when an individual man, usually a man, makes a decision and okay.
	And Elon's at the same point.
	There's nothing necessary about getting this thing to dock in the holder or whatever it is.
	But that's not an inevitability.
	That's a lot of work.
	To make that come together.
	And again, in the face of the government basically persecuting him.
	Alright, whatever.
	He did say in that fairly recent interview with Tucker that he does fear that if Kamala wins and the Democrats win, they'll try and sort of...
	Yeah, leverage everything they possibly can against him to ruin him in the court of public opinion, if nothing else.
	But no, they'll go for, I'm sure they will probably go for the jugular, do anything they can to sort of ruin him.
	Because as I mentioned, yeah, the Starlink thing, it's sort of a constant stream of rockets.
	So they're just trying to, and there's other allegations that he's in bed with the Russians in some sort of nefarious way.
	Yeah, and again, it's just deeply political for these people.
	And what I love about this as well, this is a great headline.
	California bureaucrats slap down the Air Force and SpaceX over politics.
	Yeah, I bet they do, right?
	Because not only does Elon not share their politics, when Elon took over Twitter, what did he do?
	He fired two-thirds of the bureaucrats working there.
	And nothing changed.
	And that is a terrible thing to watch if you're a bureaucrat who basically does busy work, who occupies a point and moves around spreadsheets and emails.
	Oh yeah, Elon Musk, if Donald Trump wins and Elon Musk does get put in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency, I'm getting fired.
	And I saw someone on Twitter the other day going, Elon's just going to get in there and fire middle class people for sport.
	And I was like, good! I hope he...
	I hope he livestreams it.
	I'll pay-per-view that, okay?
	I want to watch Elon firing civil servants all day, every day, cackling while he does it.
	Get a job! I've worked for some very big companies before, giant ones, where the whole building is that company.
	And yeah, there's loads of waste.
	I've worked in teams where there's like 12 people and like three people are doing 95% of the work.
	I've been one of those people that's not doing the work, even.
	I've been one of those people who's sort of watching the clock for most of the day.
	Yeah, that's just the way it is in a big organization.
	Not only did Twitter not collapse after he did that, it got better, didn't it?
	It's actually like, because Twitter was losing billions every year, and so Elon has sort of leveled it off now.
	How are we going to be productive without having nine hours of meetings every eight hour day?
	Yeah. So if you click through just the next few, the same sort of thing.
	The thing that I think was surprising from these Californian politicians, state-level politicians, is that they just said, yeah, it's because of his politics.
	Yeah. Not even trying to make up some...
	Just openly say it.
	...some nonsense. There's no mask.
	Yeah. That's gone completely.
	No, no. We hate him because he isn't woke.
	If Elon was woke, and back before he was overtly political, he was a bit of a darling of theirs.
	He said, oh, he's producing electric cars.
	Well, why wouldn't we be thrilled with Elon Musk?
	If you think about 10 years back, he was not left-wing, but he wasn't overtly political, and so he was not a threat to their moral order.
	He was just going, yeah, we could save the planet.
	That's a good thing. And now he's full-on Trump because they're full-on insane leftists.
	But yeah, so...
	I think it would be amazing if Trump wins and Elon is in government.
	Oh, that'd be great. I would very much like to see that.
	How's the Starmer regime going to take it?
	Yeah, so even in Britain, there's sort of the lefty...
	bureaucratic, let's be honest communist traitor class that hate Trump well yeah hate Trump but hate Elon just as much and actually Trevor Phillips gave this guy a bit of a... should we watch it? yeah let's watch it yeah Why didn't you invite Elon Musk?
	You're desperate to get a company which sacks its employees by Zoom, but you're stiffy about the biggest carmaker in the world because he put something on social media he didn't like.
	Look, I'm not going to comment on particular invitations for particular personnel.
	No, come on. Elon Musk is not some odd invitation.
	It is Elon Musk, biggest carmaker in the world, richest man in the world.
	Why didn't you invite him?
	Look, I'm not going to comment on the reasons for any specific person, but I can tell you we have 300 of the most significant investors, business figures, people who can bring significant amounts of capital to the UK. Big names, things that will make a big difference to working people's lives.
	You're happy to talk to me about DP World, who sacks their workers.
	You're happy to invite the Saudis, who authorise the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, and they get the red carpet.
	Why isn't Musk being invited?
	This is you in opposition, isn't it, again?
	No, not at all. This is about who can bring the kind of investments that will make the biggest difference to the UK, to working people's lives.
	Which is man of the world, don't worry about it.
	And that's a little bubble, too, that he could put into Britain.
	Well, look, the criteria and the selection.
	This is a summit. I know that everyone wants to come.
	I do understand that. Not everyone can come.
	And I'm not going to be right to go through the individual decisions for individual people.
	But this is about what will make the biggest difference.
	Look, look... You understand how weird this sounds?
	You want people to come and invest in Britain.
	You want people to bring their money.
	Yet, the one person who probably has got more money to burn and would probably like to invest in Britain, in fact he says so publicly when he didn't get the invitation, you're deciding he's not good enough for what reason?
	No, look, if people have an investment proposition, Just not answering the question.
	He's got nothing. Just not answering the question.
	That's disgraceful, and I deeply disrespect it as a stance, because you don't like him because you think he was not helping the situation after the South Pole riots.
	Just come out and say it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just come out and say it.
	At least be like the California Democrat.
	That's exactly what I was going to say. Just California bureaucrat the situation.
	Just say, we don't like the guy. He's too right-wing for us, we're left-wing.
	He might fire me. Yeah, yeah.
	But that's the thing, isn't it? He's not absolutely the squirmy politician.
	Just say we don't like him.
	Just say he's own it. Yeah, yeah.
	Worthless squirmy bureaucrat is like, look, Musk represents a completely different paradigm to management to me.
	He wants to get things done.
	I want to just burn taxpayer money.
	That's what it is. Just say it.
	Just say it. Everyone knows that that's the case.
	You would get fired by Elon Musk if he were in charge.
	That's what you're saying. And you feel that he's a threat to you.
	We know. Everyone can see it.
	It's okay. Everyone can see it and you shouldn't be where you are because you're a nobody who's got no experience or talents.
	Okay, understood. We get it.
	You feel threatened by that.
	Let's go to the next couple of links then.
	Even The Hill noticed that perhaps the left side of the aisle being a tad unreasonable.
	Liberals are losing their mind over Elon Musk.
	True. They have lost their mind a while ago.
	It's just the same thing with Trump.
	When they say, I'm not a part of your woke managerial paradigm, they're like, okay, well now this is just the new Hitler, this is the enemy, we have to intransigently oppose him at every turn, no matter what he actually manages to achieve, it doesn't matter, we disagree.
	Even Newsweek is a bit more unhinged.
	It says, for anyone who's just listening, how Joe Biden drove Elon Musk into the arms of Donald Trump.
	Well, not really though, because what I mean is, well, what I was going to say was, my angle and my take on that was just going to be that he was never, Elon Musk was never Joe Biden's guy, though.
	No, but he never was like stood on the stump for Biden, did he?
	No, but he was never like a Republican, you know, he was never like, oh, I'm a hardcore Republican.
	They, being a bunch of weird cultist lefty freaks, were like, Elon Musk, unless you agree to everything, including transing children and opening borders and things like that, then you're out of the club.
	And Elon was like, okay, I'm out of the club.
	You guys are evil. I was like, okay, well, there we go.
	So I guess they did drive him to Donald Trump.
	I also think, having said that, to add to your point and to contradict what I'd just said...
	I think there was back before 2016 or in and around that time.
	I think Elon and Trump had crossed swords a bit.
	A few, a few, one or two crosswords with each other.
	Not much, but just like, not necessarily completely on the same page.
	But anyway, one last thing, I suppose, just a tiny little video I thought we could watch is just one final sort of homage to SpaceX.
	How many failures they've had?
	Yeah, not just Elon himself, but the whole SpaceX thing.
	You don't give in.
	Look how unlikely it is that any of this came about.
	It's like, no, success is just the final step of failure.
	If you scroll up ever so slightly, I think even the quote on it is, yeah, I'll never give up.
	Success that hasn't come yet.
	Right, yeah. And I think that's a great life lesson, perhaps one of the most important life lessons of all, is that you're almost certainly going to fail loads of times before you succeed at most things, nearly anything.
	Certainly anything that's hard.
	Anything is worth doing.
	And also, quite often, when you try and do something that's very, very hard, you're almost certainly going to fall on your ass attempting multiple times.
	And when there's no guarantee that you're ever going to be successful, you keep going anyway.
	You've got to keep going anyway.
	And I think SpaceX is a great, not just SpaceX, but a lot of things Elon has done, but particularly SpaceX.
	It came close to having to just stop in the early days because you can't endlessly fail.
	No, no. At some point, you have to be realistic.
	At some point, even Elon's money will run out.
	And so it came close.
	It was touch and go for a while, I think, in the early days of SpaceX.
	But they kept going. And now it seems they're going from success to success.
	He's built a great team there.
	There's some of the best... Mars during Trump's second term.
	Some of the best... Yeah.
	Well, the Artemis 3, we are supposed to land on the moon next year.
	I think they're going to do a manned mission around the moon this year, very soon, like an Apollo 8, Apollo 9 type thing, and then actually put boots back on the moon next year.
	I think that's the idea. Realistically, it might be the year after or the year after, but not that long away.
	So, we'll see.
	I've got my fingers crossed for all SpaceX endeavors myself.
	Yeah. So, just to go through some comments, OPH UK says, Musk is currently Tony Stark, His Majesty's most loyal opposition, and Trump's spare running mate, all at the same time.
	Yeah, that's true.
	He occupies all of these positions.
	His Majesty's opposition?
	Yeah. He sort of is. Well, at the time the Labour Party is treating him, like, you know, again, any of these sort of Strong personalities with lots of charisma.
	The left just looks at them and goes, oh god, that guy's evil.
	It's like, okay. The shadow ban says, the main reason they hate Elon is because he's enabling free speech.
	That was one of them. That was definitely one of them.
	Not even that he supports Trump.
	It's the idea that alternative frameworks can be shared besides the ruling formula scares the regime.
	Yeah, they do definitely agree that that's like the inception point of the ruination of their own project.
	When people are allowed to spread counter-ideas, which is why every leftist regime becomes heavily censorious.
	Evidently. And let's be honest, YouTube and X, or Twitter, are the dominant platforms.
	Kind of absolutely.
	So it's not like Elon just bought Gab or something.
	It's the biggest one.
	That's why they hate him so much.
	The last Russian post makes a good point, though.
	Musk couldn't build here. Failing infrastructure, brain drain, expensive energy, expensive property, endless legal impediments, and an activist leftist judiciary.
	A ruling class that actively hates him.
	Yeah, and what I think that business secretary, one of the things that they've avoided by not inviting Elon Musk is the giant embarrassment of Elon Musk pointing all of this out.
	Your tax is too high.
	You've got too few skills.
	Why is everything so expensive?
	Why would I want to do this here?
	What possible actual incentive do I have to invest in Britain?
	And the Labour Party will be like, well, no, we're not going to change it.
	You built a space boat in Cornwall.
	Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, I want a Cornish spaceport.
	Yeah, oh god, I'm not saying dismantle the Cornish spaceport, it's just...
	There's no incentive for him to do it.
	Maybe if taxes were lower, immigration was lower, and targeted to specific skill sets maybe, then all of these things would be different.
	But the Labour Party will change nothing.
	Anyway, let's go on to the next.
	Because this... this just...
	it's infuriating.
	So, the question is, why is the right in Britain working with Hope Not Hate?
	Now Hope Not Hate, if you're not aware, is a communist organisation.
	They have members of their organisation who are literally members of the Communist Party of Britain.
	All they do is avow left-wing politics all day, every day.
	Everyone knows it, I'm not even going to try and prove it because it's such an established fact.
	So why are the far-right parties in Britain working with them?
	I'm obviously not talking about the Conservative Party, because obviously they're a leftist party.
	I'm talking about Reform and the Brexit Party and UKIP. Why have these parties historically worked with them?
	Now, we're going to get into it very briefly, but if you want to support us, because, of course, we've been demonetized here, so keep the lights on, you can go and check out Tomlinson Talks, Connor's latest show, talking about how to bring down a government.
	Now, this is actually really important, because Connor is going through, as he says, conducts an anatomy on a...
	anatomy? Probably a dissection.
	On exactly how the Conservative Party, the Bank of England, and the Office for Budget Responsibility, and the mainstream media, brought down Liz Truss's government.
	And this is just... Because you see this all the time.
	Liz Truss destroyed the economy.
	No, she didn't. The Bank of England sabotaged her prime ministership.
	And this... Connor's going through this in very great depth.
	Definitely worth your time.
	So, Hope Not Hate, how do they feel about Richard Tice and Reform?
	Well, they've been quite vocal about it for quite a long time.
	They're cranks and bigots, and that's about the nicest thing they have to say about them.
	That's Hope Not Hate on Tice and Reform.
	They say in this that it was revealed that the Reform candidates had to pay a £50 vetting fee.
	Did you have to pay that? No.
	No? Well, I essentially wasn't vetted.
	Well, apparently. They asked me a couple of questions, which I was completely honest, and that was it.
	Yeah. Do you think that we should have illegal immigrants in the country like we've got in our manifesto?
	And you're like, no. And they're like, right, get out.
	Because that's literally what happened.
	Anyway, so they give a few examples of people who are not properly vetted using this £50 vetting fee.
	Padmini Nisanga, who's a Reform UK candidate for Kent County Council, she was previously elected as a UKIP councillor and best known for, quote, extreme social media posts, calling for Remainers to be executed.
	Steady on. That's a bit far.
	That's more than anything I ever said.
	Way further than anything.
	I never called for violence in any way, shape or form.
	No, obviously no one should be executed, even if they're a Remainer.
	She was calling for migrant boats to, quote, be destroyed in the English Channel, described Enoch Powell as, quote, a great man, and says, quote, all of our political traitors must hang on the streets, and wanted Remainers to also be deported to Saudi Arabia.
	Fair enough. Maybe a bit of vetting wouldn't have gone amiss with her.
	Now, I'm not saying that Hart's not in the right place, but a bit strong.
	I don't agree with her, but I'll fight for her right to say it.
	Yes, I am the embodiment of Voltaire at this point.
	So they had lots of other candidates who just posted things on social media, right?
	Now, most of it is not nearly as extreme as Miss Nisanga's there.
	Misses, I don't actually know.
	There was another chap called Andrew Peterson who described the police as, quote, Stasi scum.
	I agree with that.
	Why wouldn't I agree with that? That's true.
	In a few instances, in a certain sense, they're worse than the Stasi.
	Yeah, I mean, certainly the Met...
	I would describe as Stasi scum.
	I mean, maybe the local Gloucestershire police, not so much.
	Things like the woman preying in her head near an abortion clinic.
	Did the Stasi ever do things as bad, as ridiculous as that?
	Yeah. As absurd as that?
	I don't know. Probably did, actually.
	Well, when they thought they had power.
	When they gained control.
	And they also discovered candidates who, quote, claimed to have been born on the Sirius star system.
	And have a Nazi vampire tribute act.
	Tribute act implies that there were Nazi vampires.
	That sounds like clearly comical satire stuff.
	And an array of anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, and otherwise bigoted candidates.
	Right. Sorry, real quick to say about the Nazi vampire tribute thing.
	Like, you know there's the film and I think the stage play of the producers where you take the mickey out of Nazis.
	Like, it seems that even that Isn't allowed.
	Even if you're taking the mickey out of National Socialism, the fact that you're talking about National Socialism in any way, that's beyond the pale.
	But hope not hate, we're like, oh yeah, Mel Brooks is the most virulent racist.
	Right, yeah. Mel Brooks is a Nazi.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, Richard Tyson had to, of course, respond to this and be like, look, don't post on social media after having a pint.
	But did that mollify hope not hate?
	No, of course, no. The dangerous people that prop up Richard Tyson, Nigel Farage's Brexit Party.
	This is a bit of an old one, but you can see there's been a general theme.
	They've never given them any slack.
	They never will.
	I mean, like this, we've found racism, Islamophobia, and anti-Semitism aplenty, along with dodgy homemade videos and extraterrestrial origin stories.
	Okay, this is going on for a while.
	I'm actually more curious about this series.
	2019. So, like, UKIP, the Brexit Party, and Reform, have all, in the eyes of Hope Not Hate, have always been an enemy.
	Always, of course.
	Ideologically so. They're standard, as they say here.
	They're displaying extreme Islamophobia and racism.
	I'm surprised they've not got homophobia and misogyny in that.
	It's just the wokest left-wing standard applied to the political environment, and anyone who is not a woke leftist...
	...is a far-right Nazi, which is why Sweller Braveman was in there, Jacob Rees-Mogg was in there, all of the Conservative leadership are in there, and of course, Reform and Nigel Farage, and everyone who is in the Reform Party.
	A bunch of us, Leo, AA, anyone, anyone.
	Literally everyone on the right, everyone who's not a wokeist or susceptible to wokeism is on there.
	So in response to the continued hate, hope not hate campaign against Richard Tice, they deselected 100 general election candidates.
	It's like, okay, because of quote, offensive and racist comments.
	So what? So what if Hope Not Hate think this?
	I don't care that Hope Not Hate think this.
	Some of them were very, very, very minor indiscretions.
	Yeah, I mean, like saying the police are a starzy.
	The poor woman who was standing in Swindon North.
	I think all she really did was sort of like a Tommy post or something.
	Yeah, it's very... It was very, very...
	It was almost nothing at all.
	Basically nothing. Yeah, and yet she gets deselected because reform are very, very sensitive.
	Hope Not Hate named her by name, and that was it.
	That was all it took. Sorry, you've got to go.
	Why? The communists have said so.
	And so, you know, then Tice was like, okay, well, I mean, one of the reasons we put our candidate list out so early, ahead of many of the other parties, is that we're so open to the scrutiny of various organizations and media, and in a sense, that's a good thing.
	They're helping us with the vetting process.
	They also came out and said, well, we also spent 100k on a vetting agency that didn't do its job.
	And then apparently Nigel's going to sue them, but who knows where that's going to go.
	Nothing's probably going to come of it.
	But that's not really the important part for this.
	The important part for this is like, why are you letting them peck you into line?
	Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the thing is, it's not like, hey, aren't bragging on social media.
	Completely bragging. Again, this is, oh, you spent a hundred grand vetting?
	Oh, well, you didn't, did you?
	Ooh, you're a far-right party who are not fit for power.
	It's like, well, of course they think that.
	Of course they think that.
	You know, they're literally evil communists who want to ruin everything about our country.
	And so they spend all their time gloating.
	Richard Tice is having a nightmare.
	It's like, sorry, why are we...
	Why don't you just have these guys blocked?
	Like, you don't have to listen to them.
	You don't have to care what they think.
	And again, it just continues on.
	And then it got to Gwaine Towler being deselected.
	Now, Gwaine Towler was described as the last great amateur in British politics.
	He got fired from reform after two decades, spinning for its previous iterations, UKIP and Brexit Party, as the spectators tell us.
	Towler is a long-standing veteran of the Eurosceptic movement and is a familiar face to anyone who has attended one of Nigel Farage's colourful press conferences over the years.
	And yeah, Gwaine Towler was a stalwart in UKIP, Brexit Party and Reform.
	And so even he is just like, right, okay, under the bus.
	But who's replaced him?
	Well, the person who's replaced him has said naughty things that hope nor hate do not approve of.
	This Ed Sumner has replaced Gwaine Towler, the party's head of communications, as part of their professionalization drive.
	Now, as far as I'm aware, there's no allegation that Gwaine Towler has said something normal on social media.
	So why has this been done?
	When you say normal, you mean sort of based?
	Yeah, well, Ed Sumner was complaining about a firework display.
	He says, this firework display is all about immigration, diversity and gays.
	All about what we have in common trying to force immigration and multiculturalism upon us.
	He posted in a WhatsApp group.
	Sorry, saying that's a good thing or it's a bad thing?
	No, that's the controversial thing that he said.
	Yes, they are absolutely trying to impose multiculturalism and immigration on us.
	And diversity and LGBT. That's obviously all true.
	There's nothing wrong with that. It's not a controversial statement.
	Oh, I see. And the leftists are calling him out for Darrington.
	Yeah. Politics home are like, yeah, you're the controversial person.
	But Gwaine, as far as I'm aware, hasn't said anything like that.
	But he got deselected.
	He got fired from his position anyway.
	Don't know what the deal with that is.
	But when he was kicked out, he was just like, look, don't leave reform.
	There's so much to do. It's like, man, you can't buy that kind of loyalty.
	Like, Gwaine hasn't turned his back on any of this, and yet they're still acting in a very strange way.
	But one thing Gwaine did do is kind of spill the beans on how Hope Not Hate are involved behind the scenes.
	Now, this is very interesting to me because he's having an argument with Steve Laws, a notable online racist.
	Sorry, Steve, but it is true.
	And he...
	What?
	So anyway, Gwaine tweets that the Reform Party is rising, which it is, at 21%.
	Not bad, to be honest with you.
	Should be doing better in my opinion.
	But Labour and Conservatives have sunk to 27%.
	And Steve Laws replies, you worked with Hope Not Hate, you're a traitor.
	Now, you might be like, why would Gwaine Towler from the UK work with Hope Not Hate?
	Well, he says, and this is a very strange admission, Quote, in about 2010, one of the staff would run names past Hope Not Hate staff member.
	UKIP was riddled with former National Front and BNP fanatics.
	We didn't want racists then or now, so yes, we did and it was effective.
	It's a strange thing to just come out of the way.
	Was it supposed to be neutral?
	Was what? Hope not hate? Yes.
	Obviously it's not and it wasn't.
	But in the mind of Gawain Towler.
	It would be hard to believe.
	Search like back then or something.
	But anyway, that's besides the point.
	Just either do your own vetting.
	Yeah. Or don't do any vetting.
	Don't rely on the commies.
	Why would you?
	Why would you?
	Get a right winger to do it.
	You could get some sort of, you know, conservative advisor who, you know, you'd be like, look, we want to just pay to get like normal mainstream right-wing people, make sure they're not like, you know, fringe National Front BNP fanatics, whatever, whatever you're looking for.
	Why pay a communist?
	Or a true, yeah, just get a truly independent body.
	Why are you going with, yeah.
	Why don't pay someone like Gwaine himself to do it?
	Question. So, did he get played over by Hope Not Hate?
	No, he doesn't seem to have done.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	So now haven't they gone against him, Gawain Towler?
	No, no, I don't think they've gone against him.
	But this was a very strange admission.
	Oh, in 2010, UKIP was in contact with Hope Not Hate and giving them your names and details and they were checking the social media history of UKIP's candidates.
	Like, right, okay. That didn't happen under Gerard Batten.
	Why do you want to owe a favour to a communist?
	Why are you paying them?
	I'm assuming they didn't do this for free.
	You know, they paid another company a hundred grand to not do the job, and of course this ethos seems to have carried on with Richard Tyson reform, because of course they've basically done the same thing with Hope Not Hate and Reform.
	So it's very, very peculiar, and I have real trouble understanding why we are being told any of this, really.
	Complete party loyalist to Farage's cause.
	Coming out and saying this, it's like, oh yeah, actually we've been working with the communists for decades, almost.
	You'd be like, for 15 years?
	Why... Why would you make that public?
	Why would you admit to that in public?
	That's just going to cause major headaches for reform and for us going down the line.
	Because everyone else on the right will see that and go, oh, why is yet another right-wing party working with the communists?
	Because, of course, the conservatives are just as culpable for all of this.
	Sorry, just a quick thing here.
	The Conservatives funded Hope Not Hate, just in case anyone's wondering.
	Between 2020 and 2020, who I think it was, the Conservative government gave them hundreds of thousands of pounds.
	So they didn't have to.
	There was nothing forcing the Conservative government to give Hope Not Hate money, my money, your money, your money, your money, But they did anyway, so okay, fine, they're not a right-wing party, they're a communist party, because they're prepared to pay communists and do what the communists want.
	And UKIP and reform are basically in that same boat.
	This is an omission they've paid hope not hate.
	I like that Steve Laws, the great Steve Laws, didn't let him off the hook.
	Yeah, no, Steve's been a real attack dog on this.
	And again, there are people who are like, well, Steve Laws is a racist.
	Yeah, probably. But why are you working with communists?
	You know, you don't have to agree with Steve Laws to be like, why are you working with communists?
	Let's assume that we agree that everything you say about Steve Laws is bad and we'll never talk to him again.
	We'll never look at him. We won't even say his name.
	But why are you working with communists?
	It's hard to think that back in 2010 there weren't capable people.
	Anyone? Capable of conducting research.
	I mean, it's literally just googling someone's name and looking at social media.
	It's not that hard.
	I like the stuff I got deslaked for.
	It was totally out there.
	Yeah. It was totally, totally out there.
	You're a public media person who publishes things every week.
	Yeah. It wasn't hidden.
	Not remotely. I want you to explain to me why have they...
	The prestige they have.
	The intelligence services, isn't it?
	When I saw what they did when they accused us.
	They also had an article where they accused Connor, Harry and myself in a segment I did.
	I just wanted to see, you know, what's the issue with them and I haven't been at all impressed.
	They don't seem to know anything about it.
	And for instance, I saw they have one who is a communist, a proud communist, goes out and says it.
	Well, they're a small communist non-profit whose sole mandate is to write hit pieces about right-wingers for being insufficiently leftist.
	Yes, but it's all entirely self-obsessed nonsense.
	He just said he was a fascist, he was with fascists, and at some point they were particularly unpleasant.
	Maybe they hit some people in a library and he felt really bad and said, no, I'm an anti-fascist.
	As if communists have never perpetrated any crime of the sort.
	It makes no sense.
	Let's assume that Hope No Hate aren't going to commit crimes, but politically and morally, they want communism.
	I want the opposite of that.
	I want a traditionalist Britain that exists authentically as Britain, with the British people going into the future like I inherited from my parents and grandparents.
	I want my children to inherit the same thing.
	Hope No Hate wants to level all of that.
	Get rid of it. Turn it into a modern social contract nation that's pluralistic and diverse and not for any particular people or anything like that.
	Okay, so we don't want the same things.
	In fact, what they want is antithetical to what I want, and therefore they are evil from my perspective.
	And you'd think from UKIP's perspective, again, you don't have to be in Steve Law's position.
	You don't have to be a part of the National Front and the BNP. The average conservative voter thinks hope not hate is evil.
	Because they are. They want to destroy what the Conservatives are purportedly here to conserve.
	And yet, every time, a right-wing party is, oh, we're busy funneling money to the Communists who spend, and literally to pay them all day, every day, to call us Nazis.
	It's like, so why? What are you doing?
	Again, you don't have to agree with Steve Laws.
	You don't have to be in his position.
	You can say, yeah, I don't want to be like that.
	You're fine. That's fine.
	But why are we with the Communists then?
	Yeah, so it's odd to see from Gwaine Towler that they did that and that he seems to be happy about it.
	Yes, we did. It was effective.
	Yeah, we did it again, sort of a thing, effectively.
	Yeah. And yeah, he's proud of it.
	And it's like, okay. Conor did a good breakdown of Hope Not Hate and various other...
	There are other organisations very, very similar to Hope Not Hate, quite a few of them.
	And how they're in league, essentially, and openly, with all sorts of wings of the establishment, the Labour Party, the Intelligence Services.
	Was it, I don't want to name names if I get it wrong, but was it Louise Mench that was?
	I can't remember. I don't want to get it wrong.
	But yeah, obviously working hand in hand with other shadowy organisations.
	So it's not just Nick Lowell's.
	No. On his own, sitting in Great Portland Street twiddling his moustache with one-man band.
	There's much, much more twiddling than that, isn't it?
	It's a whole network. And so what I'm baffled about is the fact that Gwaine would just come out and say this, right?
	Because this wasn't information that I had access to prior.
	And I've been in UKIP. I didn't even know this.
	And yet he's just tweeted this out.
	And you think, okay, that's going to cause problems for someone.
	I've seen nearly 200,000 people have seen this.
	And it caused, in fact, the former general manager of reform, To come out and say, well, that's not what we did.
	He says, reform didn't exist in 2010, of course, and Tice was not political at the time.
	I became a senior UKIP official in 2013, and I can categorically affirm that there was never any engagement with Hope Not Hate since then via Farage's UKIP. We won't have staffers running back and forth.
	We won't give you money, but we will just still do what you want.
	Yeah, okay, that's even worse.
	We'll just still bow to your pressure, though.
	Yeah, but there's some interconnection between what are quote-unquote the far-right party, quoting from Hope Not Hate there, and Hope Not Hate themselves, and there's obviously been contact, money, and advice.
	I don't know how you'd term it.
	But why would any party on the right...
	I mean, you should just have a policy.
	Hope not hate and communist parties will be prescribed.
	There was an advert on the London Underground the other day.
	Are you a communist? Join the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain.
	How is that possible? How is it possible that an openly revolutionary party can recruit in the United Kingdom?
	You've got revolutionary in the name, that should be a prescribed term.
	No, you're not allowed to engage in a revolution against the British state.
	No, that's just not allowed, actually.
	Weirdly. No, no, but you can, actually.
	You can advertise on the tube for revolutionaries.
	Well, it was one of the things I had in my roadmap that the Mallard very, very briefly digitally published, which Hope Not Hate outed me for and got me deselected.
	That was one of the things I said, that, yeah, the Communist Party, Socialist Workers' Party, all these openly revolutionary parties want to destroy the state, should be prescribed.
	Yeah, and it doesn't even sound...
	It should be a no-brainer. It doesn't sound radical, does it?
	I mean, if you're protecting a social order...
	Yes....you want to prescribe those who want to destroy it.
	Which is why Nazi parties are prescribed in this country.
	And that's why... Which is fine.
	That's why one of the reasons that the Kamala Harris campaign is trying to demonize...
	...using the Trump is a threat to our democracy...
	Shtick. Rhetoric.
	And some people will say...
	Because everyone understands that when you are defending a society, you have to be against those who want to destroy it.
	Yeah, right. It's just 101.
	Yeah, right. Some people will say that what I just said there, that various parties should be prescribed, that that's very authoritarian.
	No, not at all.
	It's not really at all.
	The Revolutionary Communist Party is openly and obviously anti-democracy.
	That's why it's a revolutionary party.
	Yeah, I mean... What are we even talking about?
	It's like when you hip-throw someone in self-defence and say, oh, you're being very violent.
	No, no, I was defending myself.
	Yeah. No. Yeah, and I agree that we shouldn't have Nazi parties and we shouldn't have revolutionary communist parties.
	Seems reasonable. But like I said, I don't have any particular conclusion to come to on this particular segment, actually, I'm afraid.
	Because, frankly, this is all quite mystifying to me.
	I don't know why they're working with them.
	I mean, I suppose it's to just make sure they don't become racist or something.
	But you would think that you could do that without engaging the services of communists.
	So I thought this was worth bringing to your attention.
	You should probably know that there is a connection here, where there obviously should be no connection.
	With that, let's just read some comments quickly.
	So, That's a Random Name says, this is like a Space Marine chapter having chaos cultists run background checks on their recruits.
	No, no, that's exactly what it is.
	It's like, sorry, why are you engaging with them?
	It's just bonkers.
	And That's a Random Name says, in this election, we must choose between space colonization or gay race communism.
	Not much of a choice. Well, yeah, but the thing is apparently it's about 50-50 at the moment.
	So it's all up in the air. Touch and go, yeah.
	It's touch and go. But anyway, let's go to the video comments.
	What Western civilization has inculcated in its populations is the idea of noblesse obligé.
	That wealth, strength, intelligence, and nobility obligates those most blessed with these characteristics to raise up those who are lacking them.
	The rest of the world, with few exceptions, operates under the noblese n'oblige pas, or nobility does not obligate.
	The strong, best armed rule, and the rest exist only at the pleasure of the strong.
	And now, why do communists avoid bathing?
	Fair point. I don't really have much to add.
	Yeah, it's a fair point. The rest of the world, if anything, it's the other way, isn't it?
	Because you're noble, everyone else has obligations to you.
	It's like, oh, really? But no, there's a good comment.
	I was caught entirely off guard.
	Well, it wasn't Russian. Russian?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got the wrong name there, sorry.
	Okay, okay. Hey guys, I just had an idea for your USA election night coverage.
	You should probably do a live call-in show.
	I think that'd be really, really cool to do.
	You could even make it a live video call-in show.
	Also, Dan, I sent you some contact details for some pretty good people you should look into for another Brokonomics episode.
	I think they'll be really helpful, man.
	I mean, that's a good idea, but the American election stream is going to be pretty packed.
	We've got a lot lined up.
	Packed, isn't it? We're going to have lots of guests and Zoom calls from Notables.
	So I don't think we're going to be able to fit it in.
	It will be good, though. Trust me.
	Let's go to the next one. Of course this is Russian.
	Alright, let's go to the next one.
	Russian, nothing this spicy thank you.
	I probably shouldn't have got through the dragnet to be quite honest.
	Yeah, we should have been more...
	Careful with that. Maximum Toast says, speaking as American, carrying a load of guns around is not a big deal 95% of the time.
	On the news, it sounds like a huge red flag.
	Well, again, going to a Trump rally.
	Well, yeah, that's the thing, yeah.
	So I think in California, or in loads of states in America, that's not illegal, right?
	Yeah, yeah, there are loads of them.
	Or every different state's got different things, but don't take them to a Trump rally and try and get inside the cordon with them.
	GLE sent a super chat saying, the Tories paying hope not hate is akin to them giving the school bully your lunch money in advance, just for them to still give you a wedgie.
	Yes, exactly.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to break...
	They still wedgie you anyway. Yeah, exactly.
	Why are you giving them money in advance?
	Garlic Goblin says, he was an artist, the last person who could hurt anyone.
	Where's an artist ever done anything wrong?
	Yeah, I mean, I don't think he did anything wrong at all.
	Just seems to have done exactly the right thing Andrew says fake IDs multiple guns etc are all okay, but the messy car life imprisonment in solitary confinement Arizona desert rat says fake place fake licenses fake passport and guns in the car. Yeah, that's not sus Yeah, it is totally sus.
	And again, I just don't think that...
	And if this was the first time that someone had acted in a suspicious way towards Trump, okay, maybe he's being overreactive.
	But it's the third potential attempt.
	I also think there has been more than that.
	Do you remember one time, I think it was during his presidency, or running up to 2016, where someone was in a rally and they had a pistol and they were taken out by force?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah.
	And I would have thought, I'd put money on this, that there's loads of others that we just never hear about.
	Because I think that's the case with With any main policy.
	I bet Biden and Kamala have had crackpots.
	Things happen that we just never hear about.
	I saw somewhere years ago that the average president, even someone like Jimmy Carter, there's like 20 odd plots uncovered against him.
	Things in that ballpark.
	I'm making those numbers up. But it's just if you're president or you're coming close to run for president, there will be things that happen.
	I forgot about that 2016 guy.
	He was trying to leaping over the barrier.
	Secret Service grabbed him.
	Yeah, he had a gun, did he? Yeah, I think so.
	I think so, yeah.
	So this would be the fourth attempt, were it an actual attempt.
	Omar says, the only way Labour would allow Elon to expand into Britain is if he promised to use pensioners as rocket fuel.
	Good point. I mean, maybe he should.
	Alex says, I believe the Artemis mission for landing on the moon is scheduled for 2026 using the SpaceX Starship.
	Oh, I did a segment on it not too long ago.
	I might be wrong. They've already done Artemis 1, Artemis 2, I think is later this year.
	And I thought Artemis 3 was next year, but I could well be wrong.
	This person who said that could well be right.
	But yeah, the overall point is not too long away.
	Yeah, I mean, Andrew's got a great point here.
	Elon's last week was actually spectacular, right?
	So day one, Trump rally.
	Day four, unveiling autonomous future.
	Day seven, catching a 70 metre tall booster with a tower.
	That's a hell of a week.
	Yeah. And the Labour government, yeah, he's really going to make us look all bad.
	That's legitimately better than Tony Stark.
	Yeah. That's actually outperforming the real Tony Stark.
	Again, what I like about Muscle is he seems quite personable.
	I think I'd probably get on if I was having a game dabbler with him, you know what I mean?
	He seems just a regular dude.
	No, I'd love to just have a chat with him, it'd be great.
	I would have thought. Apache Sideburn says, Bo trying to simp his way off the world.
	What's that? Trying to simp your way off the world.
	Oh right, oh yeah, well...
	Yeah. He says, well, he says, I respect the attempt.
	Crazy to finally see some form of human advancement in interstellar travel.
	Next step, the Empyrean.
	Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Like, nothing's happened for decades.
	Decades. And suddenly Elon's like, yeah, so I'm going to make something happen.
	And the Democrats are like, not on our watch.
	Sorry, do I have to be...
	We need to expand our colonies in space.
	Yeah, I don't know. I've seen leftists being like, no, that's imperialism.
	It's against who? Against the rocks.
	We need to preserve it as it is.
	For who? Like, for whose benefit?
	Like, the universe's own benefit.
	The Earth is going to be jealous.
	No, I'm totally in favour of...
	I'm totally in favour of Elon setting up Martian colonies.
	I think that's cool. It's evil colonial imperialism against the regolith of the moon.
	The poor oppressed regolith.
	I don't particularly want to go to these places but I mean I guess if it got like normified so it's like oh it's very you know it's a five-hour space flight or something there's a you know big commercial space thing and there's a long history of you know successful flights and stuff like that okay fine I'll probably go on circumstances like that but I don't really want to be the first guy to try it.
	I like the idea that in the future because sitting on the moon now if you believe we went in the first place which I do of course Sitting on the moon now is still a couple of buggies or even three buggies and all sorts of the experiments that the first Apollo missions did.
	It's all just still sitting there now because there's no atmosphere.
	There's still Neil Armstrong's boot print in the dust and everything.
	I think in the future there'll be a dome built over there and it'll be a museum piece.
	Yeah, like in Futurama. Right, yeah, they do that in Futurama, don't they?
	And I think in the future you'll be able to just get some sort of space taxi to the moon and go and visit...
	Literally Futurama. Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, it's probably true. It probably will be.
	I think, yeah. It's going to have a dome like the Simpsons.
	Yeah, yeah, the dome thing, yeah.
	Unironically, but no, that's good.
	I mean, you know, why not?
	Lancelot says, Elon is bringing back excitement for the future of mankind, while politicians want to hobble him for their own immediate and fleeting interests, like Gulliver tied down by lesser men.
	No, it really is. And this is why I brought up the great man of history thing.
	It's like, it's obvious that he is in the archetype of one.
	Whether he succeeds or not, of course, it stands for me.
	I think one of the main points I didn't actually make during my segment, but I wanted to say or stress, was that the Democrats here, even if they're only Californian ones, are holding back civilisation.
	They're not just thwarting Elon and SpaceX to be petty.
	They are, of course, doing that.
	But also, they're holding back human progress.
	Yeah. The civilization of man, they're retarding deliberately.
	But that's literally the byline of socialism.
	Holding back human progress.
	I mean that's literally what they're for.
	They're like, yeah, no, so we've established everything we want to establish, now we need to redistribute it.
	It's like, look, can't we just build more?
	Eric says, Hey guys, I used to be an engineer for Blue Origin.
	Each of their rocket engines on the bottom of these boosters has what's called thrust vectoring.
	The capability actually moves the engine with respect to the capsule to adjust the vector of the thrust.
	This is what gives the rocket the capability to adjust its trajectory to any kind of side thrusters.
	Look, you could have just really saved me the time I just said magic.
	I don't know. I'm not a scientist.
	That is amazing. Don't get me wrong.
	But as far as I'm concerned, it's all just magic.
	I'm pretty sure they also have, the Starship also has very small thruster things, not thrusters, very small things towards the top that sort of spur up, just to keep it just on...
	Stabilises. Yeah.
	But yeah, it's mainly, as he says, the vector of the engine itself underneath, keeping it perfect.
	Yes, it is almost like magic.
	Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, it is just magic.
	Arizona Desert Rat says, NASA had many failures before finally reaching the moon.
	These failures are not discussed in history classes, but they're extremely important.
	Yeah, I mean...
	Apollo 1, three guys burnt to a cinder on the pad.
	Yeah. That's a horrible story.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. A horrible death.
	Again, this is why I don't want to be the first.
	Yeah. I'm happy to be the five millionth person to step on Mars when they've set up a McDonald's and, you know, there's stuff there to do.
	So, I mean, there's nothing there. You know, I know you disagree, but like...
	Wait till they've got a bowling alley and a laser quest.
	What else am I doing on Mars?
	Fair enough. Okay, it's basically a desert.
	It's full of rocks and dust. It's got to be quiet, though.
	Yeah, it's probably going to be quiet.
	Get some reading done. Apart from the howling wind.
	I just don't have any particular drive to be like, okay, I'm on this rock, like, you know, 500 million miles away, how far it is.
	I'm like, okay, now what?
	Choose life. Yeah, but I don't know.
	I just feel like, oh, it's going to be a long journey home, isn't it?
	It must have taken months to get there.
	It's going to take me months back.
	God, I could have just stayed at home.
	That was the destination after all, all along for me.
	I just like the idea of being counted alongside the likes of Magellan or Drake or Armstrong or something.
	But then, that is narcissism.
	That is vanity. I'm not going to deny it.
	I said this the other day. They at least knew there was going to be something out there.
	You know, okay, we arrive on an island.
	Yeah, well, at least there's plants and animals, you know, and other civilizations, it turns out.
	You know there's nothing on Mars.
	Well, I do still think that when we get there and humans do lots and lots of experiments, we may well find microbial life.
	Or the evidence of ancient microbial life.
	Or the alien.
	Or in the caves, in the subterranean parts of Mars, actual things.
	Martian bats or Martian mollusks or something.
	It may well be. Out of the radiation.
	I love that we're going there to find microbial life.
	Ancient microbial life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Microbial life has died billions of years ago.
	Yeah, brilliant. You know, I'll let the robots do that.
	Mars Rover can do that for me.
	I'm going to go have a bath, okay?
	Have a nice hot bath.
	I might have a cigar afterwards, you know, maybe some rum or something.
	I don't know. But I'm not going all the way to Mars.
	I'm too much of a homebody.
	Just quote, put that on my tombstone.
	I'm not going to Mars. I like being at home.
	Colin says, hope not hate.
	Finding a candidate problematic should be taken as an indication of a good candidate.
	Well, certainly in the case of Bo and Dan, I would have thought so.
	But again, don't get me wrong, the woman who's like, yeah, we need to execute the Remainers, okay, she's a bit far.
	But to be fair, if that's all over a social media feed, you probably shouldn't have been able to see that yourself.
	There was a vast range.
	I was actually somewhere in the middle.
	That woman you mentioned, she is a bit beyond the power, even for me, I think.
	Obviously. You can't say that, really.
	Then there's me. It's a pretty hard line, but I also explicitly said, let's do it non-violence.
	I want it to be bloodless and nobody to be disgraced.
	And then there were people that hardly did anything, really.
	Like that woman that kind of, I think she replied to Tommy once.
	Yeah, she'd like to post all that.
	It's like, basically, she didn't do anything wrong.
	She didn't do anything wrong. I mean, look at the Politics Home article where they're like, oh, this guy said this firework display was all about immigration, diversity, and gays, and they're trying to force multiculturalism on us.
	That's not controversial.
	That's literally the government policy.
	Right, yeah. That's exactly what the Ranney Maid Trust want, isn't it?
	Yeah, literally. There's absolutely nothing controversial about that statement.
	Michael says, Oh look, we've come back to this hope-not-hate kowtowing and political cowardice that goes with it.
	Reform need to take a dose of their own grow set?
	And understand that these people are not your friends, they will not be your friends, and never see your side as anything correct.
	Stop being filthy, weak cowards and step up and take these people on.
	Better yet, sue them.
	Take them to court for defamation and slander.
	These people need to face some very serious lawsuits and drive them into bankruptcy.
	Well, they probably get bailed out by the government, so it's probably not possible to bankrupt them.
	Of course, I don't see Republicans in the US taking on slimy groups at the Southern Poverty Law Center either.
	So, for some reason, We're completely henpecked by a bunch of leftists, and the Conservatives pay for it.
	Apparently, reform and UKIP were at least compliant with it if they weren't paying for it.
	But it's entirely possible UKIP paid, hope not hate to do this, or someone working for a night.
	The CPS, the Crown Prosecution Service, probably wouldn't let it happen.
	Then if they did, Hope Not Hate could probably afford to have a team of high-paid lawyers.
	And then you may get a magistrate that is on their side anyway.
	It would be quite difficult, I imagine.
	Yeah, I wouldn't bother trying.
	It's not going to work. Let the Court of Public Opinion decide.
	Yeah. Yeah. That's the only option we've got, really.
	But anyway, with that, we are out of time.
	So thank you, everyone, for joining us.
	We'll be back same time tomorrow.

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