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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1017

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	Good afternoon, folks. Welcome to the podcast, the Lotus Easters for the 8th of October 2024.
	I'm joined by Beau and Luca Johnson, and today we're going to be talking about the return of the king, the butler PA. I really enjoyed Trump's return.
	And then we're going to be talking about the king of the internet, Elon, endorsing Trump and why he is doing so.
	And then we're going to have a bit of a tangent on Morrissey, because apparently Morrissey keeps saying things that are politically pertinent, which I think is very interesting, which is why he's very unpopular these days in his circles of musicians, isn't he?
	He just can't help himself.
	Yeah. Morrissey's a noticer.
	He's very much a noticer, isn't he?
	He knows there's a lot of things and he doesn't have to keep his mouth shut.
	It's superb. But yeah, before we go and get started, after the podcast we're going to be doing a roundtable on the corruption of Tolkien.
	You may have noticed there's a huge amount of subversion in the Tolkien sphere, shall we call it?
	The worst culprits being the Tolkien society themselves.
	Big Tolkien. No, no.
	The Tolkien society is awful.
	Absolutely awful. Riddled with intersectionality.
	It's not just riddled with it.
	It is overflowing with it.
	And it's awful. And Luca, being a resident expert here, is going to tell us all about it.
	And as well, on Friday, we're doing the Lads Out Pub Quiz.
	We're going to be joined by Harrison Pitt and we're going to be answering pub quiz questions.
	I'm always terrible at pub quizzes because normally they require a sort of level of general knowledge about pop culture.
	I just don't have. Who's the finest on Love Island?
	I don't know. Why would I know that?
	You take pride in not knowing the answer to those questions.
	Exactly, I take pride in not knowing the answer.
	I'm alright as long as it's not popular music.
	I don't know anything about that.
	Or old sports. Who won this in the 70s?
	No idea.
	Why would I know that? Anyway, come and join our pub quiz because it's going to be fun.
	Anyway, let's begin.
	We're supposed to do an extended...
	Oh, we'll talk about Islander, yeah.
	Islander, so...
	Okay, well, before we begin, this is the final week for Islander, issue two, and we have one of the authors here, which is Luca, and he has done, he's doing a superb series called The Marshals of Middle-earth.
	Now, if you got Islander 1, you'll have seen the first one was about Boromir, the tragic story.
	Very tragic. But the second one is about Faramir, and it's a very different character, Faramir, isn't it?
	Absolutely, yes. Yeah, because Boromir, one of the things that I start out by saying in the article for a cheeky preview is that, really, Boromir exists in the same legacy of Western warriors from all the way back to Achilles, the time of Achilles, right?
	That you're the strongest, most powerful, most honorable man.
	But Faramir is a character that Tolkien didn't really initially intend to create.
	He just came along very organically in the story.
	And Faramir is much more about his intelligence and his wisdom and his humility because the fact of the matter is that it's very much born out of Tolkien's experience in World War I and Tolkien fought at the Battle of the Somme.
	And even Boromir or Achilles Has as much chance of being hit by a machine gun or standing on a landline as anyone else, and so World War I required a reinvention of what it meant to be a Western hero, and that's something that he does very, very well with the character of Faramir.
	I like the moral distinctions between Boromir and Faramir in particular, because of course, Boromir being the great warrior, he's not going to be defeated in single combat by any particular opponent, but he didn't have the moral fortitude to be able to resist the ring, whereas Faramir did, didn't he?
	Yes, he did. It's one of the biggest divergences.
	It's one of the Tolkien purists.
	If you ever ask them about the films, you say, what was your biggest disappointment, other than Tom Bombadil not being in it?
	No, no, I was glad I did.
	Tom Bombadil, insufferable.
	It was fine. But one of the things they say is the changing of the character of Faramir.
	Because it's really about that from the very beginning of the story, Faramir is wise enough to know not just not to use the weapon of the enemy, but the more he knows about it, the more he'll be enticed by it.
	And so it's like, you know, if you have an addiction to something, the best thing to do is not to have it right next to you at all times.
	Try not to be constantly tempted by the thing that you're interested in.
	Do you think if there's parallels between Boromir and Achilles or Diomedes or Ajax or something, there's a parallel between Feromir and Odysseus being wily Yes.
	Having forethought. There is definitely that element of wit in there as well, but there is also, I think as well, the distinction between their father, Denethor, and why Boromir was the more favoured, and it's because for the older generation...
	Hang on a second. Oh, sure. Let's not spoil it, because...
	Right, okay. No, no, no.
	The thing is, the Marshalls of Middle-earth series is one of my favourite things in Islander, and...
	You do explain exactly why Denethor favoured Boromir over Faramir.
	And so I'm not going to spoil it. So basically, you've got one week left.
	Go and get it. It's really good. It's packed with just incredibly enriching articles.
	You're going to love it. So let's move on to another king who's returned.
	Okay, because it's a bit of a Lord of the Rings day today, having Luca in.
	Yeah, it is. And there's a roundtable later, so I titled this segment Return of the King, talking about the Donald.
	Oh, yes. Of course, hopefully we're not deliberately trying to goad Americans.
	We know he's not a king.
	He'll never be a king, obviously.
	Morally, though. But De Niro's scared that he basically will be.
	Do you remember De Niro? He'll never leave.
	If Trump gets in, he will never leave.
	Fingers crossed. The moral authority of a king at this point.
	Yeah, something approaching those lines.
	So, it was a few days ago now, but Trump had a rally at Butler, PA. He went back.
	It's a scene of the crime.
	It's quite brave, really. I mean, they had the bulletproof, like, hope glass stuff.
	I mean, it's kind of understandable. No, I'm not blaming you.
	I'm not at the spot where I got shot by an attempted assassin.
	Maybe I will put the plexiglass up this time.
	If it were me, I'd put the plexiglass up forevermore now.
	Which, again, wouldn't be an unreasonable thing to do.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, right.
	I'd probably just live stream from the basement of the White House.
	I don't think he's allowed there now.
	Oh no, yeah, not yet. Some sort of bomb-proof basement at Mar-a-Lago then.
	I love the way that he begins this though.
	Yeah, so he did just say, basically, as I was saying, as if he was interrupted mid-sentence.
	Best intro he could have possibly given.
	Yeah. But the takeaway sort of headline, you know, all these things, everything now gets reduced to a few seconds, doesn't it?
	Or one soundbite or something.
	And it was that when Elon comes on stage, he sort of jumps with joy a couple of times.
	We love our artists, don't we, folks?
	Yeah. It was great.
	It seemed like a genuine expression of happiness.
	I like his t-shirt, actually.
	Occupy Mars. That's cool. The last man who actually is trying to do something interesting.
	He's got that with American Manifest Destiny about it.
	It's funny, actually, that Trump's like, wait, what's he doing behind me?
	Is he being embarrassing?
	Yes. Trump and Elon are very different people.
	Trump is a boomer.
	And... Boomers are very concerned about status and the opinions of the neighbours and the people around them.
	Very concerned. Oh, what will the neighbours think?
	What will so-and-so think? And so being a New York billionaire businessman, Trump's like that magnified outside of the normal context.
	Whereas Elon is an autistic Gen X tech bro.
	He doesn't have any idea what people around him think of him and doesn't care.
	He's just the idea of other people's opinions.
	They must have some, I suppose.
	And you can see this every time Elon is to any kind of public appearance.
	To be honest with you, I find it really endearing.
	It's honest, right? It's real.
	He enjoys the sort of freedom most people will never know.
	That true FU money.
	If he lost 99% of his fortune, he'd still have over $2 billion, right?
	But also, there's a kind of...
	It goes more than that, right?
	Because, I mean, Elon's what? 51? 52?
	Is he that old? Yeah, yeah. He's getting on and he's got like 10 kids or something.
	He's been married a bunch of times.
	I'm telling you that when you've got a certain number of children and you reach a certain age, you do arrive at a point of freedom that you just didn't realize was possible.
	Like freedom from other people's judgments.
	You're like, look, it doesn't matter what your opinion is because I'm still at a position that just can't be taken away by other people's thoughts and speeches.
	I'm still the father of my children.
	I still have to be the moral authority that is...
	Instructing them on what to do.
	And so you do arrive, and this is why your parents just don't care what your friends think.
	It's just like they just don't care.
	They're so beyond it that it's, again, and to have the sort of financial freedom that Elon must have at this point.
	He's just arrived at a level of irreverence.
	So far beyond that, even.
	Yeah, yeah. Even someone like Uriah.
	Yeah, it's way beyond. You know when you're a teenager and maybe you see one of your teachers out in the town centre and you're just like, you're so embarrassed.
	Yeah, it's weird. Or one of your parents is wearing something really uncool.
	Your mum comes to pick you up from school and embarrasses you.
	Yeah. And everything's just really, really embarrassing.
	And at some point, usually, hopefully, if you're a well-rounded person, at some point, you just drop all of that.
	Yeah. You just don't care anymore about any of that.
	Yeah. Yeah, and so anyway, yeah.
	Elon's in that position.
	Elon. Yeah, good for him.
	Can we play that first clip?
	If you play that then, Samson.
	I'm sure we can. Possibly.
	Can we play that first clip, please?
	His name is Elon Musk.
	He saved free speech.
	He created... Saved every one of us.
	So many different great things.
	Where is he?
	Come on up here, Elon.
	He created the first major American car company in generations, and his rocket company is the only reason we can now send American astronauts into space.
	Come here. Take over, Elon.
	Yes, take over. We had one president who couldn't climb a flight of stairs.
	And another who was fist-pumping after getting shot.
	Fight, fight, fight!
	Blood coming down the face!
	The other side wants to take away your freedom of speech.
	Er, because we've got other clips.
	I mean he makes a great point though, because even Mark Zuckerberg was like,
	okay that was badass.
	You know, he couldn't, he couldn't, okay yeah.
	I think everyone's seeing that iconic image.
	If you're remotely pro-Trump, then you're like, well, that's cool.
	And if you're a completely anti-Trumper, got Trump derangement syndrome, you must have been like, oh, that's annoying.
	Why didn't they get it? That is kind of cool.
	It makes me think, you know, of that.
	Yeah, it's really viral.
	So many people have seen it now.
	But, you know, the Shane Gillis impression of Trump, where he's talking about the, you know, and when they killed Soleimani, he's like, oh, I wouldn't have cried and everything.
	But... We know now that he really wouldn't have cried because he was in the life and death situation.
	And no, he showed who he truly was, you know, in his core in that moment.
	Shane Gillis' Trump is the best Trump.
	So good. I mean, Elon makes that point in his speech that he gives, doesn't he?
	Yeah. He's like, well, we actually know what he's like under fire.
	I mean, I don't doubt that did win over a lot of people as well.
	Worked on the tech bros, worked on Zuckerberg.
	Yeah, being cool, calm and collected under fire.
	Can we play the second clip where it's a bit of Elon speaking a little bit further into when he was speaking?
	They want to take away your right to vote effectively.
	You've got 14 states now that don't require voter ID. California...
	Where I used to live, is just passed a law banning voter ID for voting.
	I still can't believe that's real.
	So how are you supposed to have a proper election if there's no ID? It's meaningless.
	And free speech, free speech is the bedrock of democracy.
	If people don't know what's going on, if they don't know the truth, how can you make an informed vote?
	You must have free speech in order to have democracy.
	That's why it's the First Amendment.
	And the second amendment is there to ensure that we have the first amendment.
	Okay, stop playing that if you want because it goes on to his presence, speaks fairly
	slowly but the next thing he goes on to say is all about registry.
	Make sure you're registered to vote in America.
	So yeah, I would parrot that.
	I like the fact that he's got the dark MAGA hat on.
	Yeah, dark MAGA. They take the Mickey out.
	Yeah, yeah. Because he's not just MAGA, he's dark MAGA. But, I mean, Elon's not saying anything that's not completely true, and he hasn't stood by.
	Like, if it wasn't for Elon buying Twitter, God only knows what things would look like.
	Yeah. The narratives that would be unable to be advanced because of the censorship.
	I mean, Trump was banned from Twitter.
	I mean, Trump's back. So, again, if there was anything inauthentic to any of this, I wouldn't hesitate to point that out.
	But there's not, I mean, you know, I'm quite critical of Nigel Farage and reform these days because I do find that they're becoming a bit inauthentic.
	But, you know, it's, from a British point of view, it's, okay, this is very American.
	But okay, fine.
	They are Americans. I'm happy to let that go.
	And they're not saying anything that's not completely correct.
	No, Elon's right. I'm a bit of an Elon simp.
	Yeah, yeah. Well, he brought my Twitter back, so I am.
	Right, yeah. If Elon hadn't bought Twitter, though, we wouldn't even be sat here contemplating the idea that Trump could inevitably, you know, just win the election in a few weeks.
	If Elon hadn't bought Twitter, it's that simple.
	It was a big thing. It was a big thing. It was a bit of a game changer.
	Or a momentum shifter, however you want to say it.
	I wrote an article ages ago really, really praising Elon, like comically so though.
	He's very deliberately over the top.
	But I said of him, All hail good King Elon, first of his name.
	He saved every one of us.
	Oh, all hail King Elon I, Lord of Tesla, Master of SpaceX, Prince of the PayPal States.
	All hail the mighty Lord Musk, Father of the Earth, Emperor among men.
	For he saved every one of us.
	Amen. But it hasn't aged badly, has it?
	He hasn't disappointed me.
	Yeah, no, it's good, yeah.
	I'm hoping that he'll pick me as a ship's poet when I first go to Mars.
	I'm genuinely hoping that Elon...
	What, you'd go to Mars, would you?
	Yeah, yeah. You and Dan don't fancy it.
	There's nothing there. That's not the point.
	You know the British public told us whether they go to the moon and half of them said, nah, there's nothing there.
	It's just one of the most fantastic journeys and adventures you could ever imagine.
	Yeah, it's essentially a desert planet.
	What's the issue here?
	Okay, well, you know. Anyway.
	You can use your star link to, you know, send me an email.
	Yeah. How is it on Mars?
	Well, there's not much to do. It's a bit boring, actually.
	No, I can't think of anything more amazing to do with your time than something like that.
	I'm going to do a bit of content soon, probably on Epochs, about Magellan.
	I've done a few bits of content about great explorers.
	I'm fascinated by explorers.
	The thing is, I think Magellan's perspective is a lot more defensible.
	What's out there? Well, barbarians, foreign lands, strange wildernesses, not just rocky deserts.
	There's more out there.
	You know, there might be sort of Mars bats in the caves that you find, and then you're the first person to find alien life or something.
	Anyway, anyway. Yeah, if we could play the next clip, this is the bit where Trump does that line.
	Might have to watch a few seconds of it.
	It's a good 15-20 seconds from this point, but anyway.
	It's alright, I just like the energy.
	It's electric, isn't it?
	We don't have things at the same time.
	If ever, yeah.
	The closest we've got is Nigel, and it's not as amped up as this, is it?
	No. Nigel's not as bold.
	Lee, thank you very much, really, and thank you, a very big thank you to Pennsylvania.
	We love Pennsylvania, and as I was saying, Oh, I love that.
	I love that chart.
	I love that graph.
	Isn't it a beautiful thing?
	But also beautiful because look at the number.
	That's the day I left office.
	It was the lowest border patrol, the lowest it's ever been.
	Illegal immigration.
	Today it's out of control.
	But I love it for...
	That's enough of that.
	Yeah, so it's obviously a great way of doing it.
	It's so good. I haven't got a mouse.
	Can you scroll down on the...
	Oh, there we go. Okay. So, the substance of his speech.
	He spoke for, what, half hour, 40 minutes or so?
	It was quite a long time, yeah. Before Uncle Elon came on.
	And it was quite good, I thought.
	Quite patriotic and stirring and sort of unapologetic.
	Classic Trump fare. No, nothing massive about policy or anything, but I guess this isn't really the state.
	Like you said, largest deportation since, what was it, Eisenhower or something?
	Yeah. That's pretty good.
	He did do a tribute to the person and the people that were wounded last time.
	It was Cory Comparator.
	It's difficult to pronounce that, that unfortunate chap's last name.
	But they did, you know, it seemed like quite a heartfelt tribute to him.
	And the two other people that were wounded, a guy called David Dutch and another guy called James Coppenhaver.
	And that James Copenhagen was even going through an operation that day.
	He couldn't be there because he was having yet another operation.
	Right. So profound, profound injuries.
	Yeah. I don't think...
	We certainly shouldn't forget that Corey fella.
	But even the other two should...
	Yeah, yeah. We shouldn't forget that there are huge numbers of people on the Democrat side who think it was staged.
	Yeah, right. Sorry, a man died and two other people were grievously wounded.
	Yeah. Or think it's good and funny.
	There's plenty of those people.
	Plenty of those people.
	But one thing, one little criticism I would have is that Trump, after saying some nice words, seemed like heartfelt words about it all, said, let's have a moment of silence.
	But then they filled the moment of silence with a rendition of Ave Maria.
	Right. I thought that was in slightly bad taste.
	Right. Have a moment of silence, which is actually silence, or just play Ave Maria.
	That was just very, very small criticism.
	I mean, they tried their best to do something.
	So, I don't really want to criticize.
	So, on to the reaction to it.
	I can't remember this bloke's name off of MSNBC, but he didn't really like...
	Joy Reid? Yeah.
	Oh, it's a woman. Woof!
	I thought it was Eddie Murphy put on some weight.
	Apparently it's a lady called Joy Reid.
	Reliably informed by MSNBC. Let's play this Samson.
	But we begin tonight with the manic, bizarre and frankly childish fanboying of Donald Trump.
	As illustrated by ultimate fanboy Elon Musk.
	I'm being scolded.
	During a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	It was not just weird and meme-worthy sparking hilarious online monikers like Dork MAGA and 2 Live Coup, but also ominous, given some of the frankly alarming things Musk has been saying.
	But when you look at the people backing Trump, some of the most noticeable ones, notable ones I should say, are steeped in this precise moment.
	Stop playing this now.
	She immediately goes on to talk about Apartheid and Nelson Mandela.
	Oh, is it because Elon's South African?
	As a boy, he was in South Africa.
	So he was somehow responsible.
	He's an African-American, isn't he?
	He didn't leave until he was 17.
	It's not like when he was 8.
	His formative years were in In Africa.
	Yeah. So as a boy in Africa, Elon is somehow connected to apartheid.
	Yeah. I see. I see.
	She's making the point that, you know, white people have never really got over the fact that blacks took power in South Africa.
	Oh, really? And now I guess they're bringing back over some sort of old apartheid system.
	I wonder what her opinion is of current South Africa.
	I can't talk about that. Right.
	The actual physical state of it.
	I love the way that she's kind of... Carjacking the raping capital of the world, isn't it?
	Yeah, but that's only when they have power.
	Like, you know, most of the rolling blackouts.
	But I love the way the implication of this is kind of like, yeah, Elon's going to be advising Donald Trump on apartheid or something like that.
	Yeah, yeah. Minister for apartheid.
	Yeah, yeah. It's like, what are you talking about?
	Yeah, like Elon's in Donald's ear.
	Yeah, yeah. Wormtongue. Bring back apartheid again.
	Apartheid was well good, Donald.
	Let's do that. Again.
	Yeah, I know, it's madness.
	Right. That bloke.
	I mean, sorry, Joy Reid didn't like it.
	So, let's go on to another clip.
	Oh, good. Seth Meyer.
	Yeah. The interchangeable...
	On NBC. Late night talk show host that nobody watches, yeah.
	Yeah. If you play...
	We only watch a few seconds of this, but if you play this...
	Several media outlets have finally started accurately describing how weird and unhinged Donald Trump's rallies are, and they're also talking to Trump's own audience members about why they leave.
	For more on this, it's time for a closer look.
	Okay, that's enough of that. The whole segment was about that people leave Trump rallies early, apparently.
	What an embarrassment that is, and if that is or isn't true.
	I'm sure it's totally true.
	It's like the lamest sort of angle to try and take, right?
	I can't think of a lamer angle.
	Yeah, I saw Tim Pool and Jack Posobiec were at the Butler PA rally, and it was just colossal.
	It was just absolutely packed out.
	Oh yeah, those photos were incredible.
	Yeah, they were going down the lines of just people queuing to see Trump and Elon.
	I was like, okay, well, I mean, you know, they don't know what to tell you.
	Plus, if it is true, that's common.
	When you have a massive stadium, a big stadium full of people, loads of people will leave early.
	I've been to hundreds of football games in my time.
	And loads of people leave early, in fact I do sometimes, because you know the station or the transport system or the car parks will be rammed.
	Everyone trying to get out at the exact same moment.
	I've even left a West Ham game earlier and missed a goal.
	I missed a David Beckham goal in the late 90s once, because I looked five minutes early.
	You sound like you're still recording.
	Yeah, yeah, I can't. Well, no, it was alright, because he scored against Westside.
	I don't need to see the Manx score.
	But yeah, you hear the shout outside the stadium, you're like, oh no.
	Anyway, that's just a completely normal thing.
	In fact, that speaks volumes about how giant the crowd is, that people feel the need to do it.
	Anyway, it's just what a pathetic angle to take.
	And if you play the next bit of the next link.
	Two years ago, when billionaire Elon Musk bought what was once called Twitter, he vowed to keep it a non-biased platform.
	In fact, that was his mission statement.
	He posted it at the time.
	It must be politically neutral, which effectively means upsetting the far right and the far left equally.
	It was a message he repeated frequently in interviews after purchasing the platform.
	The goal of new Twitter is to be...
	Okay, we don't have to play any more of that.
	So that whole segment was just about how...
	Have the left been purged? So what it is, is they're very, very deliberately failing to understand the difference between overactive censorship and promoting your own views.
	They're deliberately not understanding the difference between those two things.
	Well, when you've had it rigged for your own side for so long, fairness looks like oppression, doesn't it?
	I have heard that from some leftists, yes.
	Yes. I've heard that, yeah.
	And so I don't know how many people, maybe your average MSNBC viewer, the three or four of them left, will buy that spin, that angle, will just accept what they're being told there.
	But surely most people...
	We'll be able to say, we'll be able to see that there's a difference between, you know, forcing Zuckerberg to, because I think his hand probably was forced.
	I don't want to defend, I don't want to go to bat for Zuck, but it seems like he was forced to do it, right?
	Yeah, I think so. I think a lot of the tech bros were.
	I think a lot of them were kind of more libertarian-esque.
	And we're just surrounded by woke leftists in California.
	Who are you going to hire in California?
	Well, it's probably going to end up being a woke leftist.
	And so their institutions are just filled with these people who are incredibly left-wing.
	And they're like, okay, but I'm just kind of a live and let live kind of guy.
	I didn't really have strong moral opinions.
	And it takes someone like Elon to come along and go, yeah, I'm a bit autistic.
	I don't care about their opinions.
	This is how we're going to do it.
	To lead the way.
	Because Jack Dorsey was never an excessively woke guy.
	When Twitter was first created, their little tag was the free speech wing of the free speech party, referring to the Democrats.
	So they were like, oh yeah, we're going to have everything.
	And of course that didn't last very long.
	And yeah, the distinction is obvious.
	Is it being evenly moderated?
	Yes. Does Elon Musk have his own opinions on who to bang?
	Yes. I mean, everyone else does.
	Why shouldn't he? They're allowed that still.
	Yeah. I mean, every other Silicon Valley business donates stacks of cash to the Democrats.
	Tim Cook is just a Democrat activist.
	Like, sorry, is Elon not allowed to have his opinion?
	Well, regardless of the degree to which somebody like Zuckerberg was coerced in 2020.
	I wouldn't say coerced.
	But whatever degree of it it was, nonetheless, there's a real difference between actual censorship and Trump promoting what he thinks.
	Sorry, Elon promoting what he thinks.
	They're just terribly upset that he's got 200-odd million followers.
	Anyway, so Jon Stewart is pulling the exact same trick.
	Do you want to play that, Samson, for us?
	But there was an October surprise this weekend that I did not see coming.
	And that surprise is this.
	Elon Musk has ups.
	His rocket company is the only reason we can now send American astronauts into space.
	John Stewart's angle on this is like the embarrassed teenager.
	They're trying to embarrass you over nothing really.
	He jumps to 12.
	So hollow. He's acting like a guy who won a radio contest.
	No! I can't believe I get to bid on the washer dryer!
	Yeah? The world's richest man and one of the most popular people on social media.
	He's got 200 million followers, completely organically, on his platform.
	You know, because of how interesting it's on, like, things like, hmm.
	And so weak sauce.
	It's nothing. He's got nothing.
	He's doing a great job by showing all this.
	To stop people from bringing help.
	Yeah, yeah. He tweets that.
	Anyway, his October surprise is he's come out MAGA! Hi, everyone.
	As you can see, I'm not just MAGA, I'm Dark MAGA. Yeah, stop that.
	You get the point. The angle is...
	But when it was Dark Brandon, it was the coolest thing ever, right?
	It's like when you're 13 and you've got slightly not cool enough trainers and your other 13-year-old friends take the mickey out of you for it and you are embarrassed.
	Yeah, I just... Like, no, that doesn't work anymore.
	That doesn't work on grown-up men.
	Like, what are you doing?
	It doesn't work on people who are just winning continuously.
	Yeah, right. He's got 200 million followers.
	Yeah, he does. How many do you have?
	You know, like, he's doing great.
	You've had to come back out of retirement because the Democrats were failing without your propaganda.
	It's like, okay. That still of Jon Stewart kind of says it all, isn't it?
	It's very telling of what he is.
	Yeah, Elon just sort of, you know, manly just like a little girl trying to shame you.
	Exact same face of Stephen Colbert and all, but it's just, yeah, vacuous.
	Alright, I've gone on maybe a touch too long, so we'll leave it there.
	But yeah, so hopefully Elon will actually be in cabinet even, certainly in government in some form, should Trump win.
	So I'm looking forward to that, for one.
	Seems very likely, doesn't it?
	We have loads of chats.
	The Shadowband says, hey, just want to give a big thanks to the Islander team.
	Can't wait to get my copy. It should be on its way to...
	At the moment, the batches have been...
	We're printing in batches now, rather than just all at once.
	So one batch has been sent.
	You should get it this week, actually.
	NeoUnrealis says, Mars is the new manifest destiny of the West, and Elon is the Horace Greeley of the 21st century.
	Who the hell is Horace Greeley?
	There was one bit in the speech where Donald says, Elon has promised me we'll get to Mars during my next presidency.
	I think that's maybe a touch optimistic.
	But still, they've both got a view, a vision, so I'll take that.
	You know, we'll just, you know, Stanley Cree book it.
	I can't pronounce that.
	It says, Iconic Moments are very cool.
	I know, it is. I personally, I just love autist representation.
	I really appreciate it. InXio says, Crazies on the Left thinks shooting of Trump was staged by himself and wasn't real.
	Again, seems a bit risky.
	I want you to shoot my ear when I turn my head and then they'll really buy it.
	And it's like, well, I bought it. It's 100% real because some even said that when he ducked down and was on the ground, then he or someone got some fake blood and put it on and the whole thing's fake.
	But there is another angle where you can see...
	A bullet hole appear in his ear.
	It was definitely shot from rain.
	There's footage that has the bullet on it.
	Like, you know, the sort of blurry bullet.
	It's mad. There's no way you can fake that.
	There's just no way. Also, Bo, don't go to Mars.
	We history nerds need you.
	And the Shadow Band says...
	I'll come back. I'll come back. What's the Lotus Eater's mood on the Dartmoor camping thing?
	What? I don't know.
	That's Josh's wheelhouse.
	Yeah, I'm afraid I can't...
	I think the person who owns loads of Dartmoor wants to ban people camping on it.
	Right. I think that story's been around for a while.
	I have not. He's been in some wranglings with councils and things.
	Maybe there's a new angle to that that I'm not aware of.
	Right, okay. I'm not even aware of the issue.
	Ask Josh. Ask Josh. Anyway, so I thought we would talk about why Elon Musk is all in on Trump, because he has been very vociferous about this recently, and I think it's just very interesting how, probably without any influence from anyone in our spheres, Elon has arrived at exactly the point that, honestly, everyone essentially agrees on.
	This, I guess you could say this, proof of the convergence theory of truth, which is just that thing that everyone happens to end up converging on.
	It's come to the same point, yeah, well that must be the true thing if everyone sees it from this angle, which I think there is definitely an argument for.
	But before we go on, go get issue 2 of Islander.
	This is the last week. It's going to be gone forever.
	You can't find the articles in there anywhere else as well, so go and get it.
	So, Elon did an interview with Tucker Carlson.
	Now, what was the staging bit in The Matrix?
	I don't know what you mean. You know what I mean?
	I can't remember what it was called.
	You're sort of outside. Yeah, the bit between worlds.
	It felt kind of like that with this entirely white background.
	God, someone must be able to know.
	Someone must be able to remember. But anyway, so I thought I'd...
	I like Tucker, but shoes like that with no socks.
	Tight trousers as well.
	They're some socks, dude. Yeah, yeah.
	But aside from us turning into the teenage girls we've ever said Jon Stewart for being...
	The Construct.
	Thank you, Samson.
	Yes, he decided to have an interview with Elon Musk in The Construct.
	But it was a very interesting interview.
	So I took a bunch of clips and I put them on Twitter just to do this segment, in fact.
	And I thought we'd watch some of it.
	So the first one is Where Elon Stands, and it's not Very surprising.
	If he loses, it's going to be hard for you to pretend you never supported him.
	All in.
	All in!
	In the deep end.
	No, you are definitely in the deep end.
	You cannot touch bottom. No, no, I'm like rolling around.
	I'm like a pig in mud.
	I'm like... All in, baby.
	Is it fun? Yeah, it's very fun.
	I mean, there may be some, in the hopefully unlikely event that he loses, there may be some vengeance on me.
	Were you kidding? I mean, it's possible.
	So, you can see Elon, again, just quite a...
	Again, the freedom that he expresses in the way he delivers his responses, I actually personally really enjoy.
	And what I like there is, is it fun?
	He's like, yeah, it's pretty fun. Because you can tell he's enjoying going against the oppressive moral power structure of the Democrats.
	You can tell that he's like, no, I'm actually...
	I can identify the tyrants, I have a method of resisting them, and I'm going to do it to my utmost, and I'm going to enjoy it.
	Because this is not only the right thing to do, it's the right time to do it.
	They've actually both got that.
	Tucker's the same thing.
	Exactly the same thing.
	He's obviously not multi-multi-billionaire, but he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone at all.
	Doesn't need anyone's money anymore.
	Doesn't need anyone else. Doesn't rely on anyone else to be famous or anything at all.
	So a true freedom.
	Yeah. Right?
	It's great. It's great to see when it happens.
	And he occupies a station in life that just can't be taken away from.
	He is a father and a husband.
	They can't do anything about that.
	No matter what they say or do, they can't do anything about that.
	And also transcended any sort of normal news anchor.
	Oh yeah. Or any sort of political pundit even.
	You know, if you say that someone like Joe Rogan is like the king of podcasts, Tucker's like the king of political commentary in a way.
	Oh, yeah. He just speaks to whoever he wants, asks him whatever he wants.
	Millions of people listen.
	Don't speak up to Putin in the Kremlin.
	It happens. You know, he's transcended.
	He's transcended. Yeah, kicking him from Fox was the best thing that ever happened to him because it afforded him so much more freedom.
	Obi-Wan Kenobi'd it.
	Right, yeah. More powerful than possible.
	Fox fades into irrelevancy, like all the other ones, because he was the most interesting thing about it.
	He was the only reason I'd go to the Fox YouTube.
	Me too. His personal numbers, I'm sure, annihilate what Fox do.
	The entire network.
	Absolutely. Brilliant. And the thing is, it's not just on Twitter either.
	It's also on YouTube where it's got millions of followers.
	Anything he does. So it's good to see that there's been this kind of transcendence from a sort of select group of men who are just...
	And again, they're all sort of like the Gen X men who are just like, no, actually, I'm in a position where I don't have to care.
	I'm in a position where I can actually do what I say and think is right.
	And I'm going to enjoy doing it as well.
	I think Tucker's very similar in his attitude here.
	And it shows throughout this interview.
	Anyway, so the next one. So why?
	Why is he all in on Trump?
	And again, it's remarkable how everyone's coming to the same conclusions on this.
	The potential consequences if...
	Having gone all in, this doesn't work.
	You had to have thought about this long and hard before you did it.
	What was your thinking? My idea is that if Trump doesn't win this election, it's the last election we're going to have.
	That the Democrats, the dem machine, has been importing so many people, bringing in so many illegals, flying in with this CBP border app thing.
	There are triple-digit increases in illegals to all the swing states.
	And in some cases, it's like 700% over the last three years.
	Now, these swing state margins are sometimes 10,000, 20,000 votes.
	So what happens if you put hundreds of thousands of people into each swing state?
	And he goes on, I've clipped it down a bit for brevity's sake, but he goes on and I had to clip a few bits out where he, like, he's not in a hurry to deliver his points, which is interesting.
	Like, he's just like sat in there, paused, and it's literally like 20 seconds that he's like, no, I'm going to prepare my answer, and you're just going to wait.
	So again, there's a kind of confidence and freedom there, right?
	It's just like, no, I know you need to hear my answer.
	Also, you know, it's not just a sound bias.
	He might not have had the question ahead of time and had time to figure out an answer.
	He's asking him a question in real time and getting a genuine answer in real time.
	There's a few people used to it. There's an old documentary, The Ascent of Man, by Jacob Bronowski, Dr.
	Jacob Bronowski, and in an interview, he'd quite often do that.
	Someone would ask him a complicated question, like, what is the nature of science?
	Or something like that. And he'd sit there for quite a while just thinking about the answer and then come out with some brilliant answer.
	Well, I respect it.
	But the point is, again, something that everyone has come to the same position.
	It's like, right, they are definitely using illegal aliens to try and swing the vote in their favour.
	They're no longer making the argument to the American people.
	They no longer try to persuade you.
	Now it's just, right, we're just going to literally dump as many of them in your areas as we can.
	And promise them free money.
	That's basically what this comes down to.
	And they don't need ID to vote. They'll all be allowed to vote.
	You know, Calvin Robinson has moved out to America and he tweeted the other day, I've just been asked by the Democrats if I'm going to vote for them.
	How can I vote for them? I'm not a citizen.
	And yet, they don't care, do they?
	They don't care. It doesn't matter.
	Remember, you can't have voter ID because that's racist.
	The one thing that perplexes me about Elon's very accurate assessment, obviously, of the mass importation of the illegals and how that will essentially destroy swing states and make them into Democrat holds forever, is that he's also a very consistent proponent of higher mass legal migration as well.
	And what confuses me about that is that we know that Elon Certainly has one eye to Europe, and he can see the plight that we're dealing with here, with what, you know, tons and tons, millions of legal immigrants is doing to our democracies and to our vote.
	I mean, there's a reason, right, that London only ever elects Sadiq Khan now, right?
	And so I just, I just, if I could ask him anything, that's what I'd ask him.
	Why, you know, does he think that the legal immigrants are also going to, because they are essentially a client class of the Democrat Party.
	Right. Good question.
	There's one criticism I would have of Elon, is that he went on record, I don't know, a year ago now or more, saying that.
	He said there's many things. And obviously, everyone knows their politics here.
	I completely disagree with that.
	Yeah, there are a couple of things that I think would be the reason he would give this.
	The first one, it's a kind of tactical manoeuvre to sidestep claims of racism.
	right? Ethnic particularity. So it's that that's the first reason I think why he's so
	prominent about it. But the second I think he would argue well America is a
	different context to Europe and the United Kingdom in particular. It's far
	bigger, it's got an incorporative culture, it's got the American dream that people
	buy into and actually has a sort of ideology that you can become American
	through embracing the ideology and the culture and so and it's something he
	personally has obviously done.
	So I suppose he would answer something like that.
	I don't think it's a perfect answer, but it's better than just not having one.
	But that's just me assuming what he would respond with.
	But anyway, so what will happen if the Democrats manage to win?
	And again, it's the same opinion that I have, almost to a word.
	So my prediction is if there's another four years of a Dem administration, They will legalize so many illegals that are there that the next election, there won't be any swing states.
	And it will be a single-party country, just like California is a single-party state.
	That's a supermajority damn state in California.
	Because of immigration? Yes.
	California was fairly reliably Republican.
	Bill Clinton lost California in 92 and won West Virginia.
	Yes. So there was a 986 amnesty.
	Thereafter, California trended very strongly, Dem, and is at this point, I think, 65, 70 percent Dem, something like that.
	It's supermajority Dem. The California legislature is more than two-thirds Democrat.
	And California just passed, which is shocking.
	It's hard to believe this is even real.
	But California just passed a law making it illegal to require voter ID in any election at all in California.
	So, as you can see, he's like, well, this will become a one-party state.
	That's essentially the end of democracy, and that's bad.
	That is how republics die, is this sort of thing.
	I say it all the time, but I'll say it again.
	When you look at the example of the decline of the ancient Roman republic, It's the type of electoral fraud and bribery and all sorts of these shenanigans and changing demographics and all sorts of skullduggery on all sorts of levels.
	And your democracy dies, your freedom of expression, freedom of speech, the nature of any sort of true representation.
	The freedom to choose your own governors, which is really what all of the Enlightenment was hinged on in the very, very beginning of it, as Dr.
	Price was arguing to cashier their kings and choose a government of their own.
	That all dies if the Democrats are allowed to do this.
	The idea that you don't need any ID to vote.
	I mean, you need ID to buy a can of beer, though.
	You need ID to buy a car, or all sorts of things you would need.
	Loads of things you need ID for.
	Loads and loads of trivial things, but not to have your say in how the country is run.
	They have no moral problems with ID for years and years during COVID. Well, and why do they want it?
	Well, He's pretty straightforward about it.
	So my prediction is if there's another four years of a demonstration, it's this one.
	Is there any reason to pass a law like that except to abet voter fraud?
	It's so that fraud cannot be proven.
	So it enables large-scale fraud and no way to prove it, because how would you prove it?
	It's literally impossible. No ID. You're not even allowed to show your ID. The purpose of no voter ID is obviously to conduct fraud in elections.
	Crystal clear. Of course, you cannot argue with that.
	There's no other argument. The important bit about this, though, is that Elon is recognizing the malintentions behind what the Democrats do.
	They're not doing this for moral reasons, they're doing it for evil.
	And he recognizes it and calls them out.
	No, you're doing it so you can steal this.
	You're doing it so you can cheat.
	Because you're a bunch of cheats and you can't be trusted.
	Superb. That's the exact position that many people on the right have come to, and myself included.
	Again, when I first began on YouTube, I was like, oh, well, that's a bit naive of them, isn't it?
	Aren't they just... No, no, they're evil, and they're trying to cheat.
	And, of course, it's not just to cheat this time, to fault Trump.
	It's to become perpetual tyrants of the United States.
	Yes, and he actually does say it'll become an oligarchy, and only the democratic primary will matter.
	Well, Democratic primary?
	I mean, that's an optimistic...
	How did that go for Kamala this time?
	Oh, there wasn't one, she just got nominated.
	And so, as you say, it will genuinely be end of republic stuff.
	They've got multiple ways to stitch that up anyway.
	I remember when Biden got the nomination, it was everyone, a lot of the grassroots people wanted Bernie, they wanted someone else.
	They didn't really want Biden, and yet the machine was able to stitch it up to get their puppet, their easily pliable puppet.
	Speaking of the machine, in fact, Elon's well aware of that too.
	There's no point in criticizing it.
	She's simply the face of a much larger machine.
	Yes. And she will say whatever is on the teleprompter, she's going to say it.
	But she'll just say whatever words are on the teleprompter.
	So, you know, it's really whoever controls the teleprompter is the actual sort of, that's who's actually in charge.
	And who is that, do you think?
	Well, I've tried to put it down.
	It's not like, Any one kind of mastermind.
	It's somewhere north of 100 is what it seems like.
	Yes. I bet you know 80 of them.
	I probably know most of them, yeah.
	So, he's pinned it down in the same way that we have.
	There is a cabal of people who operate the Democrat Party.
	Chuck Schumer and Pelosi are going to be the figureheads of this.
	But there's going to be various people who you don't know because they're behind the scenes in the institution operating the actual levers of power.
	But Elon, I think, is completely on the money here.
	This is the mechanism, the machine of it.
	And it's working...
	Openly to steal elections at this point.
	They're not trying to persuade someone.
	They're not saying vote for us because we're going to make your life better.
	They're literally just trying to jam in as many foreigners to vote as you can.
	And so the question is, like, why?
	Another example of this, there obviously is a cabal.
	They're doing it. Some YouTube channels are quite good at this, where they show that there are multiple different, usually media organs, are on board with the line, the party line.
	For example, Weird, you know, that was one of the most recent ones.
	They decided to describe J.D. Vance and just Trump and the whole movement as weird.
	We're going for the high school girl attack on them.
	They're just weird, aren't they?
	So good, I like weird. And then you get multiple dozens of news anchors and newspapers all going with the exact same take, the exact same angle.
	That does come from some sort of central mind, some sort of central nervous system telling them what to do.
	Obviously it does. What's remarkable as well is that from the last segment, you know, the coverage of the news anchors, they're sticking to it.
	They're sticking to that word weird.
	They're not thinking, yeah, that didn't really catch on, we'll try.
	Same word, same... What I love about it is the people doing it.
	It really is the San Francisco Pride Parade calling me weird, aren't they?
	Oh no! I'll just have to go back to my wife and kids and console myself.
	Don't give me that. And so the question is why?
	Why is there the machine?
	What does the machine do?
	Why does it do what it does?
	Why is it trying to do all of this?
	And Elon's pretty spicy over this.
	I'd like to see a matchup of those called the Top 100 Puppet Masters and the FD client list.
	Do you think there's some overlap?
	Strong overlap. When are we going to see that list, do you think?
	I don't know. It's mind-blowing that they've not tried to prosecute even one.
	Not even the worst offender on the Epstein client list.
	They've not even tried to prosecute even one.
	That's insane. For anyone who didn't quite understand there, because Elon does kind of mumble a little bit, He said, I wonder what the overlap is with the Epstein client list and the 100 people who are controlling the Democrat Party, and he thinks there's a huge amount of overlap.
	Okay, Elon? Bold.
	People like the Clintons, the Obamas, the Podestas.
	That's basically what he's saying, yeah.
	That's, yeah, the Pelosi's, the Schumer's.
	I suppose it's that thing, though, that, as he says correctly, this will be the last election if Trump doesn't win, so if you're not going to say this stuff now, when are you going to get to say it?
	Last free one. Otherwise, the pedo cabal will be in control.
	I think, like Rome, the Roman Republic, they'll probably keep going through the paces, pretending it's a real thing, For generations, yeah.
	Yeah. Before there's an actual military coup d'etat.
	And even the facade of voting is done away with.
	But, yeah, perhaps the last free, honest vote.
	But I think it's a very bold thing for him to say, look, there's a pico cabal that controls the Democrat Party, and they're trying to steal democracy, and that's why I support Trump.
	Because, I mean, a lot of people believe that.
	A lot of people are on side with that.
	Oh, all hail good King Elon.
	LAUGHTER The first of his name.
	And then he just starts naming billionaires who he thinks are nervous about being on the Epstein list.
	Yeah, it's amazing. Will that ever come out, do you think?
	You know, I think part of why Kamala's getting so much support is that if Trump wins, that Epstein client list is going to become public.
	Yes. And some of those billionaires behind Kamala are terrified of that outcome.
	Yeah. Do you think Reid Hoffman's uncomfortable?
	Yes. And Gates.
	And Gates. Yeah.
	I only ask that because you just look at them and you're like, that's a nervous person right there.
	I don't know. I mean, I assume.
	Yes. Reid Hoffman was my vice president of business development at PayPal.
	Yeah. 24 years ago.
	Does he seem nervous to you?
	Yeah, I mean, he's terrified of a Trump victory.
	Because of the disclosure that would follow?
	I think, yeah, I mean, I think he's certainly ideologically not aligned with Trump anyway, but I think he is concerned about the Epstein situation.
	I mean, he's literally just saying, yeah, Reid Hoffman, yeah, nonce.
	You say no, he's an Epstein client.
	Definitely got something on him. Same with Gates.
	It's like, Jesus, Elon. You know, like, just to be clear, we have no evidence and we don't know.
	But Elon knew him for 20 years because he was finding PayPal with him.
	So, anyway.
	I hope Elon has got a very competent security detail.
	Yeah. Anyway, I just found Elon's interview with Tucker absolutely fascinating.
	Interesting revelations. I hope Trump wins and I hope Elon's right.
	Ryan says, do you think Trump will actually release the Epstein client list if he wins?
	Well, I mean Elon seems to.
	So, I mean, I have no idea.
	I mean, the thing is, right, I've written a couple of articles about Epstein, and I'd love to see it all come out in the watch, of course.
	And there are people that were connected to Epstein that were genuinely innocent of anything, right?
	I think one of the Epstein brothers, for example, sorry, not Epstein, one of the Weinstein guys, the elder one, someone like Stephen Hawkins probably wasn't engaged in anything too nefarious, not physically capable.
	But Trump himself, there's many pictures of him standing next to Epstein at a party or whatever.
	He was friends with Epstein through the 90s, and they fell out over a business deal, and then a few years afterwards, Trump started basically saying that Epstein's a nonce.
	I'm not saying Trump's done anything wrong.
	That's the point I'm making.
	There will be people that are connected with him but didn't do anything.
	So to actually find out exactly who's involved and what they did or didn't actually do.
	So much more. It would be great if that came out.
	Yeah. So much more buried information as well, though, because, you know, obviously RFK Jr.
	is saying, yeah, Trump would release the files on JFK assassination.
	And if anyone had an interest in getting those out...
	Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, basically, a lot's on the line for the cabal that controls the Democrat Party that Elon thinks is basically just a pedo cabal.
	And he just says it.
	It's like a... Superb.
	McLeod says, third world countries like Jamaica require ID. Yep, absolutely.
	And conservatives should be ballot harvesting because that's of course how the Democrats can do it.
	And girl with unpronounceable name.
	I didn't say girl, I said person with unpronounceable name.
	Oh, maybe it's girl.
	I don't know. Australian Parliament votes on misinformation and disinformation legislation bill tomorrow in our lower house.
	Puppet government run by...
	Well, ultimately, you'll find it goes back to the pedo ring at the Democratic Party.
	But anyway, we'll leave that there.
	Let's go on. Alright, so there's become something of a new tradition coming about in Britain over these recent years, which is every six months or so, Morrissey will just, famous British singer and cultural icon Morrissey, will just pop out an interview and just sort of leave some incredibly base comments there for the commentariat to, you know, just talk about...
	Mull over. Actually see.
	And, well, the mad lad's done it again, which I'm thrilled to say.
	But either of you two are just sort of familiar with Morris' prior comments or his music?
	I'm familiar with his political opinions.
	I'm not familiar with his music.
	I was never a fan of the Smith.
	Fair enough. It's not that it's bad or anything like that, just not for me.
	But I just approve of him opening his mouth.
	I was never a massive Smiths fan, although they've got half a dozen songs that are good.
	But I don't know all their albums inside out or anything.
	But yeah, there's a few songs that are good.
	But it was a little bit before my time, even, that Smiths.
	A tiny bit. It's more like early to mid-80s, isn't it, really, The Smiths?
	Yeah. And his later music stuff, I don't really know at all.
	But yeah, The Smiths have got at least half a dozen pretty damn good songs.
	Yes. But as for his political views...
	They're brilliant. They're great. They're really based.
	Again, we were talking in a previous segment about how someone like Elon or Tucker doesn't need to prove anything to anyone anymore.
	They've got enough money and enough fame.
	They don't need any more of that.
	So they're truly free to say what they want within reason.
	Absolutely. And I think Morris is one of those.
	He's not really on a par with Tucker or Elon.
	But nonetheless... Doesn't need any more money, I would have thought.
	Doesn't need any more fame.
	Doesn't cover fame anymore.
	The thing with artists is that when you have like artists who have, like JK Rowling is the best example of this.
	Where J.K. Rowling has a nostalgia factor for millennials, right?
	Millennials all grew up reading Harry Potter and they loved Harry Potter.
	It was, you know, it was their Tolkien, you know, it was just something that made them feel safe and comfortable and loved.
	And so they'd dive into the world of Harry Potter and just spend hours reading the books.
	And then J.K. Rowling comes out as a mega turf.
	And they're like, oh, I'm like, God, this is the worst stab in the back I can ever imagine.
	So until they kill that kind of cultural impact that J.K. Rowling's had, it doesn't really matter what she says or does.
	Because at the end of the day, you still love the books.
	You still love the books and you've got no choice, you know?
	And Morrissey's in that sort of position where it's like, there are going to be, you know, shit libs who grew up loving Morrissey, wearing whatever the makeup was.
	The fashion. And that was their childhood.
	And they listened to the Smith songs and they're back in their teenage years.
	And then he comes and says something very base and they're like, oh no, a stab in the back.
	It's that kind of feeling for them.
	Right. Totally. Before I continue the conversation, though, I should say it's the final week that it's your opportunity to buy issue two of Islander magazine.
	Ah, yes, over...
	Here, it's yet the last time in all of history that you can get a hand on issues.
	Duker's particular article about the Marshalls of Middle-earth.
	I do like Tolkien.
	So, yes, and there's many other wonderful writers in there.
	I know Josh has written a poem for it, hasn't he?
	You've written another piece, and, yeah, you've got Roreg's Nationalist and many, many great writers in it.
	So, yes, it's your last chance to buy it this week.
	Morgoth, Stiff, and more than you.
	Right. There's so many good articles in it.
	Yeah. Anyway. So actually, I'd like to come back to your prior point, Carl, about what you were saying about the shitlibs sort of getting really angry about, because I think in here there is a sort of misunderstanding amongst those who were his leftist fans, who always thought that Morrissey was one thing, but actually he was always...
	Our guy, in a way, right?
	And I think that the reason for this is because though Morrissey's political views, you know, when he was in the 80s, most of the political things he talked about was his anti-monarchy, vegetarianism, anti-Thatcherism.
	These are all very popular left-wing opinions, but also from a cultural perspective.
	He liked Alan Bennett plays and Shakespeare and Oscar Wilde, right?
	And these sorts of cultural quirks as things that you would normally more associate with the middle classes than the working classes.
	But the thing is, That Morrissey himself, growing up, lived a very working class life, growing up in working class post-industrial slump Manchester in the 1960s.
	And so you're looking at a man with very middle class interests, But looking at the world from a very working class perspective and I think that what we're seeing now with many of the comments that Morrissey has made recently is a bifurcation of the working class fans who have sort of taken Mon as a bit of a champion and the middle class fans and Guardian readers who despise him with a passion.
	Yeah, I mean, the talk I gave about the Witan metaphor and anti-metaphor is, I think, very applicable to this.
	Because he's very much a metaphorical Englishman.
	He's very much within the long continuum of our civilization.
	He loves it. He's very proud of Britain.
	He is. Very proud of everything we've achieved.
	And he clearly has a deep love of it.
	And, of course, the anti-metaphorical shitlibs hate everything about us and therefore hate any champions of those things.
	And so that's why they hate Morrissey.
	Absolutely. There's one thing I noticed, I've seen Morrissey live at Glastonbury, it was either the very late 90s or the early 2000s at some point, and Morrissey was on and his fans were chanting his name but in a football chant way, which is quite a working class thing to do.
	He wouldn't have middle class bourgeois people We're good to go.
	Do you remember this? Then they fell out.
	Did they fall out? Well, they basically don't read anything together anymore.
	Russell Brown become a very left-wing person.
	Russell Brown's on a strange arc back towards the right now.
	So maybe reconciliation.
	Yeah. But the latest thing that Morrissey has done to champion the people of England is really this here.
	Morrissey claims release of new album, Gagged, over a song about the 2017 Manchester Arena bombing.
	Now, I've heard him sing this song live, which is the only way you can access it right now because, as it says, it's not been published on the album.
	And the name of it is right there, yes, Bonfire of the Teenagers, which is, of course, a very provocative title.
	Yes, indeed. But the thing is, as well, when I saw him do this live, he said, nobody sings about England anymore, and essentially the plight of England.
	He realises that the English people have been left behind.
	In their own home.
	But also something as well that obviously, with it being in Manchester, and if I could ask someone to go to the next one, do I? Oh, thank you.
	This was the Facebook post that Morrissey wrote the day after the attack.
	And also, yes, May 22nd, which was the day of the terror attack, was also the day of Morrissey's birthday.
	Wow. And he was in Manchester at the time, so I'll just read a little bit of it.
	Celebrating my birthday in Manchester, as news of the Manchester Arena bomb broke, the anger is monumental.
	For what reason will this ever stop?
	Theresa May says that attacks will not break us, but her own life is lived in a bulletproof bubble, and she evidently does not need to identify any young people today in Manchester morgues.
	Also, will not break us means that the tragedy will not break her, All her policies on immigration.
	And so Morrissey just totally cuts the crap, right?
	And just says, no, the Manchester Arena bombing was a direct result of the British government's continuous policy, immigration policies, right?
	If they hadn't have continuously continued them, then we wouldn't be in this state where we are now.
	Oh, but the guy was a British citizen though, Luca, don't you know?
	The guy that did it was a British...
	Just a Welshman. He had a British passport, so what you're saying doesn't make any sense, though.
	Touche, but...
	Yeah, no, it's nonsense. It's nonsense.
	I'm playing the weirdo leftist...
	The weird leftist...
	Yes. But Ofcom, Bo is our resident winger.
	That's what they were saying. Of course Morrissey is right.
	Yeah. It's the ultimate thing, that we're not allowed any indignation.
	Having your children...
	Blown up and burnt. A massacre of the innocents or a bonfire of the teenagers.
	You're not allowed to really talk about it or remember it.
	Certainly not have any indignation.
	Don't look back in anger. True men like Morrissey say no to that.
	No, never. Yes, absolutely.
	Well, just so that we and everyone who's listening are all on the same page, I've actually got here, if we go to the next one, the lyrics for the song.
	So, the camera's a bit in the waves.
	Oh, thank you. Bonfire with teenagers, which is so high in May, northwest sky.
	Oh, you should have seen her leave for the arena.
	On the way, she turned and waved and smiled, goodbye, goodbye.
	And the silly people sing, don't look back in anger.
	And the morons sing and sway, don't look back in anger.
	I assure you that I will look back in anger till the day I die.
	And then the chorus sort of repeats, so I'll...
	Oh, but also the very end, go easy on the killer.
	Obviously said with, you know, said irony.
	But yeah, very powerful, like a sledgehammer of a song, those lyrics.
	Really cool.
	I've never actually heard the song, but I wrote an article a while ago saying it was
	called Look Back in Anger.
	And in that I wrote explicitly, don't tell me not to look back in anger.
	I'm going to look back in anger.
	Don't tell me that. And obviously, me and Morrissey are on the same wavelength.
	Absolutely. Also, whether Morrissey is aware of it or not, I thought that it would be an absolutely appropriate thing to just bring up as well, certainly something that Conor has talked about at length, which is, in his Tom Winston talks, how the government gaslights you.
	Where he talks about this whole narrative of don't look back in anger is a pre-packaged plan concocted by the government, by Raikou and the prevent programs at the Home Office who have a predetermined, no, in the event that some of these English children do happen to die at a pop concert, this is how we're going to handle the situation.
	They're literally going to get the parents up to be like, don't be racist.
	Jesus Christ. But when it comes to talking about the legacy of colonialism or slavery, then look back in anger, then do nothing but look back in anger.
	Yes. Okay. All right.
	Yes. Or, so yes, events that happened 200 years ago get incredibly angry about, or foreign conflicts in Russia, Ukraine, or Israel, Palestine.
	Feel very strongly about them either way, but your own people, your own children, don't look back in anger.
	A key pillar of Islam, and to some lesser extent Judaism, is looking back in anger.
	There's a key element to it.
	I mean, in Islam, they self-flagellate over killings and battles that happened centuries and centuries ago, looking back with sorrow and anger and regret and indignation and all sorts of emotions.
	Well, that's what the sunny Shia splits is about.
	It's about the political injustice that happened to Ali, the grandson of Muhammad.
	Brett Weinstein flipping off the Arch of Titus.
	Yeah, yeah. He can look back in anger about that, can he?
	These are political events from over a thousand years ago.
	You despair for it.
	But I've got some comments here that I did take out from the interview that Morrissey gave.
	And one of the things that he said was, the Manchester Arena bombing was our 9-11, but in this sad country of ours, to understand the full meaning of the attack is to be guilty.
	And this is why the don't look back in anger command always struck me as derisive and not at all words of social harmony.
	And then there was another quote where he said, controversial means intelligent, doesn't it?
	We're still in the grip of idiot culture.
	It's everywhere you look.
	Naturally, I'm one of the first to be gagged since my entire life has relied on free speech.
	No, I wouldn't remove the title song because I wouldn't abandon the Murden Kids of Manchester.
	Their spirits cry out every single day for remembrance and recognition.
	Well done. Hear, hear.
	This is all new to me.
	Yeah, I don't need to say anything.
	That's bloody brilliant. Yeah, well, yeah, that's one of the...
	I thought it was... If I was a more emotional man, that would bring a tear to my eyes.
	Right. Yeah, it's powerful stuff, and you can tell that, again, he...
	Is uncompromising in it.
	You know, he could... I'm sure the rest of the album is very good, but no, this is what he, you know, as a man of principle, this is what he wants to stick his mass to.
	You know, this is where it all comes.
	So... Yeah, if we go to the next one, thanks.
	Yeah, just a quick thing to note as well.
	Morrissey, vocal defender of Tommy Robinson, says that he's been trekked shockingly by the establishment.
	Obviously true. Yeah.
	Obviously true. And then here, I thought that we'd just go through the next piece.
	Thank you. I'm going to scroll down.
	Because this is what I'm...
	It's warm in that arena. Is that what you're laughing at?
	I was really laughing at the headline.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now this to me really comes back to what I was saying at the beginning about how they never understood him.
	Yeah. Right. Because obviously, right, this is just some anarchist rag.
	Okay. Never heard of it.
	But, you know, our enemies have compiled all of Morris' greatest hits for us.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm just looking at this now.
	Like, this isn't just an aging old man sliding into simmering bitterness and racism typical of many elderly Brits.
	That's right, just condemn them all.
	Since the start of his career, Morrissey has been outspoken against multiculturalism and immigration,
	citing his fears of a threatened English identity.
	So he's been on the money long before the rest of us.
	Right.
	Right, okay.
	These songs at the top here, that it's Bengali and platforms,
	England for the English, which is a lyric from his song, The National Front Disco,
	and...
	Christ!
	And Asian Root.
	All of these songs came out from 1988 to about 1992.
	So they're before Blair, before mass immigration.
	And I won't go too much into what he's saying in each song, but the point is that he is documenting through his music the fact that there is existing now ethnic tensions Right.
	It's great, honestly.
	I knew you'd enjoy it. Well, when you look at Enoch Powell, it's back in the 60s.
	Yeah. So, yeah.
	Yeah. I love the way he kind of sounds like an academic agent, right?
	Morrissey famously said, all reggae is vile.
	So, yeah, that sounds like an AA tweet.
	Yeah. I did.
	Sorry, I might have been a bit of a...
	How do I scroll this one?
	Oh, thank you.
	It's on that screen, then.
	Oh, I see. Yeah.
	Yeah, I got here. So, on immigration, this is just further in this piece, in the early 2000s, Morecci publicly lamented that England is a memory now.
	The gates are flooded. In language reminiscent of Goebbels, he moaned on, travel to England and you have no idea where you are.
	In some parts, that is definitely true.
	Right. John Cleese, Goebbels, Morrissey.
	Yeah. They're basically the same guy.
	Same party. Same party.
	Basically the same guy. Yeah.
	All of them in the Predator handshake, London is an English city.
	Yes. This one just is, honestly, it's one of his most tame ones, but just on Sadiq Khan, London is debased.
	The mayor of London tells us about neighbourhood policing.
	What is policing? He tells us London is an amazing city.
	What's amazing? This is the mayor of London, and he cannot talk properly.
	I saw an interview where he was discussing mental health, and he repeatedly said, mental.
	He could not say the words, mental health.
	The mayor of London, civilization is over.
	I just want Morrissey to be put on TV. When we win, Morris, he gets his own half-hour BBC segment every Sunday.
	Yeah. Where he gets to say whatever he likes.
	Make him minister without portfolio.
	Yeah. Right, right.
	And there's other stuff in here as well where they talk about, you know, because obviously his militant animal rights advocacy and stuff, but that's made him very outspoken, critic of kosher and halal meat.
	All those sorts of things as well.
	Just a quick thing as well.
	All of this is just essentially the traditional English attitude.
	Yes. All just completely...
	Because, I mean, like, someone would say, oh, right, you're a member of Peter.
	No, I bet he hates Peter.
	You know, it's just a traditional English love of our pets and our animals.
	You know, there's nothing...
	Because, I mean, like, one thing I can't stand is watching videos coming out of China or something and seeing them treat animals in the way they do.
	I hate it. That's why Morrissey called the Chinese a sub-species...
	I'm not saying that.
	I don't endorse everything he said, but I can see the impulse.
	Right. So all his views are just actually normal, reasonable views.
	They're the views of a person who doesn't want their entire culture and heritage and country annihilated around them.
	That's all it is. What a big ask, eh?
	If it's not too much, I know!
	This was the last bit I took, just for the sheer deliciousness.
	You can tell the person hated writing this.
	As the father of Manchester, heralded by anglophiles around the world, Morris's views have a huge impact.
	I love this, it's such an immediate contradiction.
	Manchester is famously multicultural, cosmopolitan, and has thrived as a result.
	It has seen violent attacks by Islamist extremists and far-right terrorists.
	Oh, sounds like that thing's going great.
	It has faced rising levels of poverty.
	It has become the gay capital of Britain.
	It has welcomed refugees and asylum seekers.
	Hundreds have arrived and left, including Morrissey.
	It's like, but you just said it was brilliant and multicultural and vibrant.
	It's thriving, which is why...
	Why it's, yeah...
	Unbelievable. Yeah. I didn't add it in here, but the demographics of Manchester currently, as well as, it's 48% British.
	Obviously, back when Morrissey was born there in 59, I suspect it was quite different.
	Yeah, it says Manchester's famously multicultural and cosmopolitan.
	Only in the last couple of decades because it's been forced that way.
	Yeah, because of Tony Blair. Never used to be at all.
	You can go back and look at footage, not even from the 50s, but from the 70s.
	The 80s and 90s, I bet it was still mostly.
	Mostly, largely. So yeah, he says British cities have become...
	In fact, it's fine, I won't carry on with that.
	It's just more whinging.
	But yeah, I just thought that...
	Oh, and then I just thought we'd get some words from the man himself, just for a little bit.
	Now, the labels...
	People are quite bloodless.
	They will just get rid of you if you say anything that they don't agree with.
	They won't see you through the journey anymore.
	No, no, no. They're not interested.
	Now they talk all about, oh, we must have diversity, diversity, diversity.
	Diversity is people that you don't know.
	It's just another word for conformity.
	It's the new way of saying conformity.
	Diversity. You don't see anything diverse anywhere.
	It's all conformity.
	It's having the opposite effect, in fact, isn't it?
	It is, because when people talk about diversity, they don't think about the great things that we don't have in common.
	And those things are ignored, and they always made...
	Country's very interesting because you could travel to Germany.
	You could see the most incredible culture.
	You go to Italy, see the most incredible culture.
	Now they just want everything to be the same, the same.
	So diversity means conformity.
	It doesn't mean let's... It doesn't mean avant-garde or let's make really interesting strange art.
	It means box everybody.
	Diversity, I think, is a dreadful word.
	Pin it to anything.
	And that situation is finished.
	It's a terrible... Yeah, that right there.
	Superb. Yeah. He's not wrong in any way, shape, or form.
	It's a way of saying I agree with the homogenous over-culture.
	That's all it is. There's nothing avant-garde about it.
	Of course diversity just means less nativeness, doesn't it?
	It's not about actual diversity.
	Decentralised. It's about truly diversity.
	The word has been completely co-opted and corrupted.
	It has nothing to do with actual diversity.
	It's an ideological signifier now.
	The British Isles, before mass immigration, were diverse in the English and Scots, the Irish and the Welsh, right?
	That was our form of diversity.
	They want multiculturalism, but not our culture.
	Our culture isn't part of that multicultural.
	You saw this when there was some fashion magazine shoot, and it was heralded as the most diverse one ever.
	You saw black women, but that's monoculture?
	I've seen that a number of times, a number of different faces.
	Diversity is one, and there's no white faces.
	Well, there's not even any other people around the world.
	It's just, here's a bunch of African women.
	That's the opposite of a diversity.
	I mean, if it was just white women or Asian women or something, yeah, that's not diverse either.
	But anyway, there's no point getting into it.
	It's obviously just a lie.
	Yeah, but I thought we'd just close with those words from the man himself.
	But I will just take the opportunity to be vocal for Morrissey because it's important actually that this album, Bonfire for Teenagers, does get put on shelves.
	It's important that the memory of those children is kept alive, that we do look back in anger and we don't settle for what the government intends for us.
	And yeah, Morrissey is very much at the head of that in his own way.
	Superb. Alright, let's go to the video comments.
	Labor and the Democrats need a new symbol and I suggest the condom.
	It allows inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of dicks, and gives a false sense of security while being screwed.
	That was a continuation of our David Lamy-entations.
	David Lamy is worse than the clap because in the end the clap is preventable, treatable, and ultimately curable.
	David Lamy is none of those things.
	I've got nothing there to object to or disagree with.
	That's one of the funniest videos I've heard in a while, actually.
	Let's go for the next one. Seeing how our country is so flat, most of our ancient settlements and castles have been raised up on these man-made hills.
	We've got them all over the place, and the one you're seeing now is being dated to 1st century B.C. Is she again?
	I don't know. It's a great source of archaeological knowledge.
	and a great source of lovely views.
	A classic technique like the Norman Motten Bailey can literally build your castle on higher ground.
	Physically dominate the landscape.
	That was beautiful. Let's go to the next one.
	I would like to present a very short video essay about Disney shills.
	AHAHAHAHAHAH!
	Concise and to the point?
	Yeah, yeah, and does express itself correctly.
	Was there another one or was that the last one?
	I stream with Mr H and Nate off of Mr H Reviews a fair bit.
	We talk about all sorts of Disney related things, Bob Iger related things, Kathleen Kennedy.
	And yeah, the amount, god, the industry of pro-Disney shilling out there is mad.
	It's really weird. I think I could summon an argument in your defence, get in contact, I'll shill for you.
	The right amount of...
	Yeah, yeah, exactly. That is what it is, though.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got bills to pay, you know.
	Screwtape Laser says, most British-looking panel.
	Carry on, gentlemen. Thank you very much.
	Jimbo says, three T-shirts arrived and they're very good quality instead of something that's just been ironed on.
	How refreshing. Yeah, that was another thing as well.
	I've obviously got a bunch of the shirts from the Logistics store and they are actually really nice quality shirts, which is important because I've had a bunch of shirts from other stores that are just terrible and it really annoys me.
	Lots of people saying, glad to see Luca back.
	Well, just summarise all of those.
	Thank you. Which I'm sure everyone's glad to see everyone's happy with them back.
	Someone online said, Californians banned voter ID. Yep, we covered that with Elon.
	Furious Dan says, to vote in Canada, you need to provide not just ID, but proof of address.
	Jeez Christ, proof of address.
	And all the ballots are on paper for a place venerated by leftists.
	We have a lot of policies they screech against.
	Justin says, there may be some people that leave early from a Trump rally, but at least they actually turn up in the first place.
	How's it going for Kamala? Well, there's a strange desperation around the Kamala rallies.
	She's only done a couple, and they were well attended, but you could tell it was like lots of people were like, oh no, I have to go.
	And so it's, you know, whereas the Trump people seem to really want to go, which is nice.
	And, you know, at the end of the day, a lot of Trump's voters are a bit older.
	It's like, sorry, you criticize some 65-year-old dude for walking out a bit early.
	I'm not surprised. So it was from a couple of slop accounts, but it's difficult to actually purge your timeline on Twitter entirely from slop accounts.
	Well, it seems to be for me, anyway.
	So you end up seeing them. I have seen a few images of Kamala rallies.
	And yeah, they're the classic dysgenic freaks.
	Exactly what you would think.
	The coalition of the spiteful mutants.
	Weirdo spiteful mutants, yeah.
	I feel myself aging every time I listen to her, you know.
	It really takes a toll on you.
	Warlord Wututai says they fixed it once, they will do it again.
	If they get away with it, the American Republic is doomed.
	Well, at the Trump rally in Butler, one of Trump's sons' wife has been training people to be election watchers.
	Apparently they've trained 200,000 people to know how to properly watch the elections and stuff like that.
	So we'll see if they get away with it this time.
	But we'll be covering it live on the 5th of November.
	So we'll watch them steal it in real time.
	That'll be fun. Yeah, look out for that stream.
	We've been doing an all-night stream, aren't we?
	The counts are stopped. Yeah, yeah, we are. The counts are stopped.
	Oh, look, a massive ballot dump has come in.
	What a shock. We're ready.
	We know what we're looking for. Omar says, according to the left, Trump policy will only benefit billionaires like himself.
	Suddenly, many billionaires are turning into philanthropists and joining Team Kamala.
	Hmm, curious. I tell you, I can't get over Elon being like, yeah, there's a bunch of billionaire pedos from Epstein's list backing Kamala because we're going to expose them.
	It's like... This is sounding like QAnon stuff.
	This is the thesis of QAnon, isn't it?
	I do hope he's got close protection.
	Yeah, me too. For real.
	Yeah, because he's naming names.
	What was the guy's name again?
	Gates and the guy he founded PayPal with.
	I can't remember the name of the guy now.
	It seemed like he was saying, look, I've known that guy for a long time and I know he's into that sort of thing.
	So it's just like...
	Man of Kent says, No, I don't think that's evidence that the fortification of the election has already begun, although it obviously has.
	I think they just do that because they hate Britain and want to dismember us entirely.
	Biden in particular hates Britain.
	I'm Irish. It's like, sure you are, Biden.
	Sure you are. You weren't born in Ireland, don't have an Irish passport, can't speak Irish.
	Hyper Catholic. You're not Irish, dude.
	Catholic Biden, bring back Roe v.
	Wade. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's a few great videos on YouTube you can find of actual Irish people from the Republic of Ireland taking the absolute piss out of Americans that are calling themselves Irish that have come over from Boston for a week.
	Yeah. And really ripping them apart.
	Saying, you're not Irish.
	You're not Irish.
	Okay, anyway. CrumpetsTM says, what people often miss with immigration and US elections is that regardless if the new arrivals vote at all, increasing the population of the state increases their weight with the electoral college.
	That's a great point that I didn't even think about, actually.
	Because it's done per capita.
	So... This is why California is waiting so much because, of course, they're just like, bring in millions, millions.
	California is like 65 million people now.
	It's about the same size of Britain in this one state.
	Funny how all those Democrat states are suddenly going to stand per capita.
	Well, Elon totally nailed it.
	They know that they're doing this in order to rig the demographics of democracy rather than trying to persuade the people that already exist because their arguments are ridiculous and why would you vote for it?
	Josep says, the same people who lecture you about ableism are mocking an autistic man for being socially awkward.
	Yeah, that's another great point.
	Exactly. Part of the enduring charm of Elon is that he is a bit autistic.
	It's like, yeah, but I thought you guys were all about acceptance.
	We're about acceptance until it's not our guy.
	That's what it is. George says, I honestly didn't expect Elon to fully endorse Trump.
	He was a normie lefty, but he took plenty of abuse for removing Twitter's SJW bias.
	Plus he lost his son to wokeness, which would be enough motivation for any parent.
	Yeah. That's a big one. I've seen him say on record that, you know, that's a deep, deep scar.
	Yeah. Deep scar.
	I think I've even seen him say, I'm going to war with...
	Oh yeah, he said he's going to destroy the woke mind bar.
	Right. Godspeed.
	Yeah, Godspeed, yeah.
	But I tell you what, I'm just saying, if they did that to one of my sons, I'd be...
	I mean, I'm like that anyway, and I haven't even lost a son.
	So, yeah, no, I... Very much so.
	Arizona Desert Rat says, Musk is Gen X, and Gen X tends to be a bit feral.
	I know, that was our best quality.
	The last of the feral men.
	Yeah, yeah. No, no, literally, we're the last not domesticated men, right?
	Because we're just essentially unsupervised.
	Yeah, my childhood was completely...
	Go and play out.
	Yeah, exactly. And whatever happens out there, it's on you.
	Yeah, exactly. No mobile phone.
	Yeah, you'll be all right. Nothing. No mobile phone.
	I hope you've got 10p so you can call home if you really need to.
	Zoomers have no idea what I'm talking about.
	I'm very grateful that I just got to experience that.
	Yeah? Yeah, just. There's something quite ennobling about it, right?
	Yeah, you learn to fend for yourself, at least to some extent.
	You learn to lose, you learn to get beat up once or twice.
	You learn life, you learn what real life is like a bit.
	It is the Gen Xers who are not afraid of being non-conformists.
	The Millennials are just complete conformists, and they're afraid of having group opinion against them.
	I'm like, if I was afraid of that, I wouldn't have anything, you know?
	But... Let's get some Morrissey comments.
	Kevin says, the problem with the music industry is they hide their true opinions.
	An example, Raging Against the Machine who were bought and paid for followers of the Machine.
	Well, that's not Raging Against the Machine hiding their true opinions.
	Raging Against the Machine have always been insane leftists, right from day one.
	And all it proves is that the Machine has become such a leftist organisation.
	The Raging Against the Machine are like, yeah, this is exactly what we wanted all along.
	It's like, okay, well, there we go.
	Killing in the name of the Great Leap Forward.
	Yeah. Basically, yeah.
	Charlie says, regarding Morrissey, I very much doubt that he's gone based.
	Well, just saying, from a few of the...
	I think he's a complicated man.
	You can be based on some things and not on others.
	You can be a theatre-lovey and very much dislike Pakistanis.
	Right? There was that quote there.
	I'm not just making that up.
	Yeah, no, no. He said, I don't hate Pakistanis.
	I dislike them a lot.
	I dislike them immensely.
	So you can be that Anna Theatre lover who sings and writes music.
	You can be both things. That's kind of one of the reasons why I find him a breath of fresh air, because even though I disagree with him on the vegetarianism and the anti-Monica stuff, he's not ideological, right?
	He's anti-ideology.
	He just, he has a view, and these are views he's held all his life.
	And yes, some of them might not fit into a textbook of what is not traditionalist or...
	but he But he's on our side, right?
	When it comes to the big questions, he's undoubtedly on our side.
	I think he's a bit of a contrarian as well.
	Oh, yes. I saw that with Russell Brand.
	If you said that to him, he'd probably go, no, I'm not actually.
	I don't know, God knows. But it's like in history when you try and get a handle on any sort of historical figure.
	Sometimes people, there's some people that are very, very complicated.
	And they're not one thing or another.
	And they change their mind over time.
	And they're a contrarian. I think Morris is one of those people.
	For sure. Difficult to get a handle on.
	He isn't one thing, I don't think.
	But he said some pretty base shit over the years, so I'll take that.
	And on that note, we are out of time, so do join us again in half an hour when Luke will be joining us for a roundtable discussion on the subversion of Tolkien.

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