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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1013

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	Hello everyone, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Seaters, Today is the 2nd of October 2024 and this is podcast number 1013.
	That's quite a lot. And today I'm joined by Bo and by Louis Brackpool.
	Hello. So, we are going to discuss how Europe is at a crossroads.
	They've lost their mind. The debate between J.D. Vance and Tim Walz and why people don't want to fight for their country anymore.
	But before we say more about this, at 3 p.m.
	we have a new Tomlinson Talks and Conor is talking about the Reform Party Conference and he's talking with Matt Goodwin, Charlie Downs and more people.
	So, definitely watch this and find out what he has to say about it.
	Lewis, do you want to tell us a bit where people can find you?
	Yeah, sure. So I'm on X, the famous X, formerly known as Twitter.
	You can find me, Lewis underscore Brackpool.
	I usually just post.
	Yeah, I post quite a lot, actually.
	I've got to get off of it a bit too much.
	But yeah, I post usually on there.
	I'm on YouTube under the name Lewis Brackpool.
	Telegram and Instagram I'm very active on as well.
	And I think that one of the good things I see is that you don't have 100 or 200,000 posts.
	No, no. Some accounts have and you just lose complete.
	No, I'm not an engagement farmer.
	What is happening?
	So, yeah, and you've been with us many times and always, always good stuff.
	Oh, thanks, dude. Thank you.
	Right, so Europe is at a crossroads and it's better if we understand it very soon and even better if our leaders understand it very soon because multiculturalism is failing us.
	The idea of humanitarianism in Europe and the focus on human rights seems to be only geared to focus on the human rights of criminals and anyone else but Europeans.
	We are going to talk about several countries and what is going on and also how the European leadership is completely giving us mixed signals and is completely at a loss with the issue of illegal migration.
	We had some very unfortunate tragedies in France these last few days.
	We have a 17-year-old French boxing champion that was stabbed to death outside a nightclub.
	And people are saying that most probably it was an Algerian migrant who did it.
	There were two groups of people exiting the club, and they had a fight, and that led to the stabbing to death of the 70-year-old French boxing champion.
	I mean, people fighting clubs, but fighting to the degree where they stab each other to death, I don't know, it's just something's not going wrong.
	It's getting out of control.
	It's weird, though, because Matthew Wright said that a migrant chased after him to give him a tenner back that he dropped out of his pocket.
	Oh, I did already. So there's nothing to worry about.
	So let's open the borders, eh?
	Unshakable logic there.
	Yeah. There was another tragic thing.
	There was the death of 19-year-old Philippine who was raped and murdered by an illegal Moroccan migrant who was already convicted for rape and was released.
	Only five years ago, so he raped someone back on the streets within five years?
	Yes, so we have here a Moroccan illegal migrant.
	There was a deportation order for him, but it expired.
	And as you'll see, deportation orders now have the habit of functioning like milk or yogurt.
	They have an expiry date, and when they expire, it's no biggie.
	No one does anything about it.
	So it's a way of not doing anything, legally speaking, about problems.
	Here we have this article.
	It says about the Moroccan man who was arrested over the alleged murder of a 19-year-old university student in Paris and was ordered to leave France after serving a sentence for rape, but wasn't, didn't leave.
	And they said that, for instance, What happened was that in 2019 he raped and he was convicted in 2021.
	He was released in early September, about a month ago, on the condition that he was going to report to the authorities.
	I think that these are tremendously relaxed Measures, but he couldn't live up to even those measures.
	So he didn't do this, and they didn't do anything about it.
	And this has caused massive outrage and sorrow in France.
	And we see the usual cycle of statements about the incidents.
	And we have here even people from both left and right expressing their sorrow about it.
	So we have here, living alongside human bombs.
	Philippines' life was stolen from her.
	By a Moroccan migrant who was under a removal order, Jordan Bardella, the leader of the National Front, the largest single party in Parliament, wrote on Exon Tuesday.
	And he said, our justice system is lax, our state is dysfunctional, and our leaders are letting the French live alongside human bombs.
	It's time for the government to act.
	Our compatriots are angry and will not mince word.
	But we also have Francois Hollande, who was from The Socialist and the former president, who said that he expressed frustration and said that deportation orders have to be enforced quickly.
	Oh, he's frustrated.
	Oh, he's frustrated.
	Hollande has got the ump now, has he?
	Yeah. Oh, dearie me.
	Bit late, mate. Yeah.
	Didn't do anything when it was his watch.
	Allowed France to be flooded by Moroccans and Algerians and stuff on his watch, but now he's annoyed.
	An even more infuriating statement.
	We have Marie-Laure Basilienne who is an expert in public law and told AFP that French authorities were issuing too many OQTF. We are seeing an increase in the number of removal orders issued against people who we know from the start cannot return to their country of origin of transit.
	I think that this is stunning hypocrisy and people need to wake up with respect to what this means.
	This is one of the issues that you can't send people back because the regime there has got human rights issues.
	That, I think, is one argument, one hurdle we need to absolutely get over.
	No, you can send them back.
	No, that's on them. They're responsible for their crime.
	If you have to send them back to a country which may then imprison them again or even torture them or something, that's on that regime and that person.
	That's not our responsibility, though.
	The Moroccan government might do something very draconian to him.
	Don't care. I don't care.
	That's not France's problem.
	I think, to add as well, I think I read recently, there's this sentiment of deportation is just so inhumane.
	So what about the victim?
	Hang on a minute. The victim has been through hell and back.
	And you're thinking about just removing a person from the nation that he committed the crime in.
	Like, what... I don't understand the mentality of that.
	And any future victims as well, that there will definitely be.
	What about their human rights?
	What about the right to public safety?
	Yeah. Which is a basic duty of government, and they're not...
	I feel like we just go around in circles.
	Every time we see a story like this, we just go around in circles and circles and circles.
	Same pattern. It's just the same pattern every single time with...
	Coming out, condemning it, forgetting about it.
	Something horrible happens. Coming out, condemning it, forgetting about it.
	And it's just over and over again.
	And it's like, oh, I'm going mental.
	But also, there is something even more sinister here.
	There is the idea that Western governments express that they own us.
	Because they're saying, well, we can't deport that person because that person is running a high risk of being somehow abused.
	Well, if that person remains, a lot of citizens run the risks of being abused.
	So they are happy to take that risk with us, but not with them.
	Not with the criminal. Yeah, so, sorry, you don't own us.
	It's the most perverse thing, isn't it?
	You don't own us.
	It's not your risk to take.
	Our lives are not your risk to take.
	Any criminal in the West that comes from a country that's got human rights issues, they should know.
	They should know that if they do a crime here, yeah, they might have to pay for it in our justice system, but then also in their country of origin, because they will be deported, and then they'll have to answer to the Pakistani authorities or whatever it is.
	There was a massive vigil here for Philippines and if you would believe that this would happen, there were far leftists that showed up.
	No, no. Disturbed a gathering.
	Are you serious? Shouting against fascism and against...
	Are you kidding me? Yeah.
	Really? Yeah. There was a vigil.
	People gathered in Vienna and then there were leftists that went and disrupted that display of sorrow in order to make their statement.
	I mean, how low do you have to be?
	How low of a person?
	To push your politics.
	Oh my days. I'm sorry, I agree with you.
	Scum. Complete scum.
	I shouldn't be saying that, but I'm acting with emotion now because it's just...
	Such things are beyond good manners.
	What do you do with people like this?
	What do you do with them?
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	Right. Let's move on.
	Let's move on to Germany because it seems like the AFD is doing so well that a lot of people are beginning to find problems with migration.
	We have here the leader of the agricultural minister of the German Green Party, Cem Özdemir, I think.
	That's a Turkish name.
	That he writes that his daughter is being sexually harassed by migrants.
	And he says when she's out and about in the city, she or her friends are often unpleasantly stared at or sexualized by men with a migrant background.
	What has been the consistent policy of the German Green Party with respect to open borders?
	It's just been pro-open borders, I imagine.
	What is the Green Party's...
	Policy with respect to the economy and the net zero policies, which presumably, you know, if you have a good economy, a lot of people from your country are going to be able to find jobs and there's going to be growth.
	What's their position in that?
	Something like the NZ doctrine.
	Not New Zealand, something like net zero.
	Net zero, yeah. Yeah.
	Oh, but now it's touched his life.
	Now it's affecting his daughter.
	It's a problem. Right.
	And people are pointing out the hypocrisy there because the Green Party has expressed some of these views also about a year ago where they were advocating for a more moderate course on migration.
	And someone says, Johnny Hossen says, so let me get this straight.
	Germany's...
	What?
	So yeah, no, that guy, I haven't seen this tweet, but he's saying exactly what I just said, basically.
	Yeah.
	The storefront of the pro-migration NGOs that have been slandering Greece with fake news and smear campaigns on supposed dead little girls on Evros.
	Now that the problem they caused effects them, they want to limit migration.
	So they're happy to take risks with the standard of living of other people, but also the lives of other people.
	But if it touches their own life, then they suddenly see a problem.
	And we are going to discuss about what they're going to do with it because that also happens in the U.S. We see, for instance, many people in several communities in Chicago, in New York, where they're saying, no, our community is being destroyed by this.
	The federal government needs to do something.
	And always the response is either silence or we're going to send them somewhere else to destroy another community but no yours because you're going to vote for us.
	Remember when Texas, maybe it was Texas, I think one of the southern states, bussed a lot of migrants to, I think, Martha's Vineyard.
	Do you remember that? That's it, yeah, I remember that.
	They didn't like it.
	And they didn't like it. They did not like it up and forth.
	Funny, that. Especially with sanctuary cities.
	Let's go to England. We had an acid attack.
	Mm-hmm. Two teenagers and a teacher have been hospitalized after an acid attack at London school.
	Girl for teen fear to have life-changing injuries.
	This is just getting out of control.
	This is not the type of, you know, high-trust society people want to live in or that, you know, Western political philosophy has always or at least the last four centuries has been for.
	It's just something has to happen.
	Just having children being stabbed at a Taylor Swift dancing classroom or going at a school and people throwing acid at their faces.
	There seems to be an air of impunity and wherever there's impunity, the people who are Antisocial get all the wrong messages because they interpret that impunity as weakness and to a degree it is weakness.
	When the law isn't enforced people stop fearing that they're they are going to be to be punished for for crimes and they think they're gonna get away with it.
	It's life-changing stuff that is as well like for the victim and you know Life imprisonment, for me, for a crime like that, for acid attacking a child, like this is not enough.
	You're deforming someone for life.
	Yeah, yeah. They should never be allowed in the general population of society ever again.
	Yeah. Without Parade.
	We don't, we're very, very rare.
	I think we do do it. But we very, very rarely give sentences with no parole or at her majesty's pleasure, his majesty's pleasure, i.e.
	you're never going to get out. We very, very rarely do that.
	But yeah, I think acid attacks, certainly on a minor, if we had the death sentence and I was a judge, they'd definitely swing for that.
	Definitely. Right.
	We're going to go now to countries of first reception like Spain and Greece, but also we're going to talk about the EU policies and the stuff, the measures that a lot of EU states are adopting when it comes to the issue.
	We had around 500 Moroccans who gathered by the border fence in Ceuta in Spain, and there was a viral campaign on social media that called for a joint attempt to storm the border and illegally enter Spain.
	We also have here...
	footage. Look at what is going on here.
	Let's play this.
	See there are people just storming in.
	It's quite simply an invasion.
	There's no other word.
	And it's also coordinated.
	Any bleeding heart, libtard commie globalist that gets tetchy about someone using the word invasion, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	They need to be shouted down.
	They need to be told that they're wrong.
	They are horribly wrong.
	And the thing is that unless tough measures are implemented right now, I really fear for the future.
	I really fear for the future.
	Now, some people in Germany, they began the Border Control Initiative.
	That was by Olaf Scholz.
	A lot of people thought that this was him being scared at the AFD, but two days afterwards, he went to Central Asia, in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, and he started calling for hundreds of thousands of skilled workers.
	I think the number was around a quarter of a million.
	Not just from these countries, but also from Africa.
	Right, so he initiated a border control program and that has caused some concerns over countries of first reception like Poland, because what they're saying is that we're part of a union, so if there are a lot of people from countries of...
	First reception. A lot of migrants who try to go to the rest of the union and there are border controls, it's going to be tougher to check the population.
	And a lot of illegals are going to stay in the countries of first reception.
	So now countries of first reception are asking the union for some help to help them guard the borders of the union.
	And as you will see, the result is that there have to be intelligent measures adopted.
	That intelligent measures have to be adopted and somehow borders aren't intelligent for them and fences aren't intelligent for them.
	Right, we see here Poland considers Germany's decision to introduce borders control unacceptable.
	They've criticized Germany's decision to introduce border controls and Austria's Interior Minister Gerhard Karner said that Vienna would not take any rejected asylum seekers or migrants from Germany.
	Fast forward, here we have Donald Tusk, Polish PM. Now Poland is in a way a country of first reception because they border with Belarus and with Belarus, there can be the...
	Belarus isn't in the EU and a lot of migrants can enter into the EU from Belarus, you know, at Putin's and Lukashenko's disposal.
	So Hungary also was fined with about 200 million for not conforming with the migration pact that wants to disseminate all the population of migrants.
	And this is not something that Hungary and most of the countries of the EU have supported.
	So the union comes along and says, you have to implement this, otherwise you're going to get fined.
	They fined Hungary for 200 million euros and Hungary said instantly, we're going to give them a free bass ride back to Brussels.
	See, that's the sort of thing where Hungary should be well within their rights.
	It's Orban, right?
	It's Hungary. That's the sort of thing where you just be like, well, you're not getting your 200 million and we leave the EU. That's what they deserve.
	That's what the EU leadership deserve.
	I mean, that's the correct response to them.
	You're trying to flood our country with fifth colonists, with criminals, with God knows who.
	And when we refuse to do it, you're going to steal 200 million from us.
	Exactly. And that's the cheek of it.
	More than the cheek of it.
	That shows the hypocrisy of what is called the European solidarity, which apparently it isn't towards Europeans.
	When people want to maintain a degree of national sovereignty and maintain their national identity, the EU has to come in, they have to intervene, they have to come on top of things and say, no, we are going to fine you.
	We're going to instrumentalize the illegal migration in order to weaken your national sovereignty.
	And here we have another clash between the EU and Greece.
	Where Greece, as another country of first reception, is saying that we are guarding Europe's borders and we need EU funding for building a fence around our borders with Turkey.
	Now, a lot of people from outside Greece will say that, well, create your own border fence, create your own wall and guard your own borders.
	To a degree, that's fine.
	But that implies also that the EU doesn't have to constantly undermine every such effort as a violation of human rights.
	So if on the one hand, the message is guard your own borders, yeah, we will guard our own borders.
	But on the other hand, stop constantly shouting that guarding your own borders is a violation of human rights.
	But the EU said that they have to insist for smarter solutions.
	Thank you. That means nothing.
	It's just too vague.
	Yeah, but now EU tells Starmer to accept tens of thousands of migrants a year to secure PM's relations reset.
	Could that be a smarter thing?
	Could the EU say that we aren't gonna help the countries of first reception to guard their borders because we need to find smarter solutions.
	We need to utilize mass migration in order to get things from other parties.
	It doesn't mean anything, does it?
	No, it's never ending as well.
	It's just...
	Yes. And here we're going to end the segment with two statements here.
	We have here, EU rejects Greece border fence funding.
	Growing concern in Greece of a migrant surge across Turkish border.
	Greece started the fence in 2017 with internal funding.
	EU opposed to border fencing prefers more intelligent solution.
	I must say this because I follow Greek news constantly.
	The level of discussion over this fence is ridiculous.
	We have leftists constantly saying that this fence on its own is a violation of human rights and the fence on its own is inhumane.
	But they're not looking at the inhumanity of Europe right now.
	They don't look at the disintegration of societies and the way things are going and the violence that is getting out of hand.
	They don't do this because they hate national sentiment.
	They must be mad, literally mad.
	Yeah, and we have here the communisipalist.
	Yes, an account here says, as the EU descends ever further into far-right dystopia, Germany's centre-right CDU has urged the European Commission, led by fellow member Ursula von der Leyen, to fund fences at the border of Greece and Poland.
	Open borders are UK rejoiner fake news.
	No, this isn't a far-right dystopia.
	This is actually a multiculturalist dystopia.
	But these people are so ideological that they just don't care about facts.
	Whenever facts conflict with their ideology, always it's worse for the fact.
	Obviously, diversity is a weakness.
	Multiculturalism is a failed experiment.
	A disaster, actually.
	A catastrophe. But the thing is, because Mr Hitler in Mein Kampf railed against multiculturalism, in his example, the multiculturalism of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the 20s, but because that's a fact...
	Then any criticism of multiculturalism is de facto Nazi and you just want to...
	That reminds me, Hitler drank water as well.
	Yeah, that's fascist.
	And he likes dogs, apparently.
	Yeah, Alsatians are fascist. Yeah.
	So that means everything is Hitler.
	But also, that's completely ridiculous that, you know, they're enforcing that narrative because the people who were reacting even against Hitler, they weren't particularly rainbow brigades.
	They didn't have rainbow flags and say, we're fighting for tampons in boys' bathrooms.
	They also cared about their nation and their countries.
	Patriotism was a thing.
	Anyway, Europe is at a crossroads.
	The sooner we wake up, the better.
	Tough measures need to be taken now to prevent worse things in the future.
	Walls work, right?
	That's one of the canards that the leftists like to say that walls don't work.
	They do work. They have always worked for a long time.
	What about the walls of Theodosius?
	One perfect example.
	In Northern Ireland, the main reason why the troubles stopped, it wasn't because Mr Blair, as some sort of brilliant diplomat, was able to finally reason with the IRA or the real IRA. No, there's loads and loads of walls.
	In Northern Ireland, keeping the cathos and the proddies away from each other physically.
	Walls work. Walls work really well.
	Let's go to the Rumble chat.
	So, when pill seeker, compassion, understanding and tolerance of the victimizers is oppression, tyranny and cruelty to the victimized and those who mourn them.
	Yes, and there's the quote that, you know, mercy to the guilty is also cruelty to the innocent.
	I'm reminded of this.
	Who said that? That's a good quote.
	I've heard it before. It may be Adam Smith, but take that with a pinch of salt.
	That's a random name.
	To follow on that, I have noticed that the way these barbarians are treated by their injustice system resembles how female teachers punish the kid standing after the bullies rather than punish the bully.
	And also by a random name, that's a random name.
	I noticed that when someone publicly stands up to a wrongdoer, a lot of people would rather excuse the wrongdoer's behaviors than support the person upholding justice.
	Any of you guys notice this too?
	Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
	Loads. Remember the example of some...
	They'd put some convicted rapist or a violent criminal on a plane and some girl...
	Yes, I remember that....raised havoc so the plane couldn't take off.
	Thank you! She'd done, like, the crying.
	She went, thank you, because everyone was clapping.
	And I think he was a convicted rapist, right?
	Yeah, yeah. Courted after his sentence.
	Yeah. It's cultural relativism.
	It's more, I would say, it's more narcissistic.
	Some people are so narcissistic, they want to portray the image of the compassionate person that they don't care about the context.
	It's all about them, them, them.
	Like every single climate change activist that's ever lived.
	I did think Greta. Right, should we go to the second segment?
	Okay, well, so, yesterday evening, there was a vice-presidential debate between Vance and Wolves.
	Is that how you pronounce it? Wolves?
	I think Tim Wolves. Wolves.
	Timmy. Oh, Timmy.
	What do you call him? What's the thing?
	I think Tim Wolves. It's like the tampon thing.
	Oh, yeah. I only learnt of that this morning.
	I only learnt of that. Yes, he campaigned for having tampons in boys' bathrooms in several schools.
	That's insane.
	A lot of people call him Tampon Tim.
	I like the little names that sort of catch on because of policy, silly policies like that.
	It's funny how they try and paint Vance as a weirdo.
	That's weird, Tim.
	Governor Waltz, that's weird, bro.
	Alright, we have to chill quite near the beginning of every segment.
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	But it's honestly really, really true.
	I mean, it's just a fact.
	So anyway, on to Vance V. Walls.
	So I watched it so you don't have to.
	My takeaway is this don't bother.
	It's relatively boring.
	There was no like massive head-to-head heated moment where you're like, oh, drama.
	Oh, there was no real drama.
	I heard it was very polite.
	Relatively. Relatively. I didn't watch all of it.
	I saw only clips on Twitter because that's kind of I watched it all on x2 speed.
	I couldn't be bothered with actually...
	Just take it all in.
	I haven't watched all of it, but I kind of liked it.
	For me, it was a breath of fresh air.
	In that it wasn't just full of at-home minimum attacks.
	They were quite pleasant to each other.
	At the whole minimum, they're funny.
	They are the bread and circus in a bit, but I think that was a breath of fresh air.
	I really liked J.D. Vance's performance.
	Yeah, I think he did really well.
	No, he did really well.
	He came across as personable, likeable, even charismatic.
	Can I go that far? But he was alright.
	I think he did really well.
	Because I've seen him speak before, but I've never really seen Wolves speak before.
	I've seen a few tiny little clips on Twitter, just a few second clips here and there.
	So I've never seen him talk for any extended period of time.
	So I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
	Obviously his politics are insane.
	He's a senior Democrat. But as a person, Tampon Tim, he's obviously out of his gourd.
	But I thought just as a person, as a man, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
	And to be fair to him, he can actually speak.
	You know, like Joe Biden can't really speak.
	Kamala Harris is just an endless word salad of nonsense and just a pure cringe machine.
	At least this guy could actually talk normally, string together normal sentences with a relatively normal cadence.
	There was a bit of word salad, but it wasn't too egregious.
	Even people like Angela Rayner, they sort of can't speak properly, right?
	Or coherently. Or coherently, yeah.
	There's loads of senior politicians in all sorts of countries that...
	Like, your job is supposed to be as an orator.
	You're supposed to speak for a living.
	You're supposed to be a professional speaker.
	And you can't really do it.
	Well, give him that, at least.
	Because Kamala Harris isn't particularly spontaneous.
	She isn't a good speaker.
	Especially if they ask us stuff that she doesn't expect.
	She doesn't seem to be good with words.
	She has said some insane stuff, like everyone takes the mick out of it online, the random sort of diatribes that she goes on.
	I can't even think of them because they're so wacky, but like that thing that was once there and then tomorrow, and you know, like that kind of weird diatribe.
	I'll tell you who was bad for that, quite bad for that, not as bad as her, but George Bush Jr., if anyone remembers, if anyone's old enough to remember George Bush Jr., He would do a thing where it was semi-coherent.
	It was sort of semi-coherent and like malapropisms, you know, trying to say a particular famous phrase, turn a phrase and getting it wrong.
	AOC does that. Oh yeah.
	He could dodge a shoe though.
	Sorry, what? George Bush Jr.
	He could dodge shoes.
	Oh yeah, that was a great dodge.
	Do you remember that?
	Yeah. He just slipped the shoulder.
	It was a really good little shimmy.
	He was in the room and zoned.
	Two shoes, in fact, wasn't it?
	It was two, yeah. The first one didn't come close, but the second one went through where his head was and he...
	Yeah. That was cool.
	Yeah, yeah. Like Neo with shoes or something.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, so this.
	So Vance, obviously we're sort of team Trump partisans here.
	We make no bones about that. But I still think, if I'm trying to be objective, I still think Vance won simply because he came across as okay, came across as good.
	And where I can't say, if I'm honest, that Walsh came across terrible, like it was a car crash, like it was a wreck.
	It wasn't. He stumbled a little bit.
	I think he took a bit of time to warm up.
	Was it just bad ideas? Yeah.
	Obviously, the policy is dog.
	Crap. But as a debater, as someone that, you know, it's your job to get up there and talk, it's not a complete car crash.
	But I still think Vance won.
	I mean, I was watching one commentator.
	It was Ben Shapiro, actually.
	I thought I'd quickly see what Ben Shapiro had to say about it.
	And I actually agreed with his take.
	That it was Vance's job to come across as sort of non-scary, non-aggressive.
	That the Trump ticket isn't this dangerous thing.
	Right. That he's not a weirdo.
	And if that's the primary objective, I felt like he absolutely did it.
	Like I say, he came across as personable.
	Yeah. As nice even.
	I think... He came very...
	Reasonable. He was...
	In control of the situation.
	He was very stable.
	He didn't allow people to get under his skin.
	And I think he was also very unifying.
	He addressed Americans.
	He came off as humble as someone who is, as you say, personable.
	He was likable, compassionate.
	But also he could speak and he could articulate thoughts and you can definitely see that he adds something to Trump.
	He's pretty lucid and fluid.
	I think there was two things that I saw.
	I didn't watch the entire thing.
	I only saw a couple of clips.
	Yeah.
	Analyze freedom of speech and misinformation.
	And he used that as the example.
	And then I think Walt said something around, something to do with shouting fire in a crowded theatre as the, you can't do that.
	And it was kind of like, there's such a weak position to take.
	And it's so obvious that they want to criminalise misinformation, expression.
	And I think the other one that was really fascinating...
	Oh, gosh. I think he used the term like whack-a-mole about policy.
	Yes, he was really good at reminding.
	Reminding people. Kamala Harris.
	That's so important. VP for the last four years.
	That's what I like. When I watch debates with politicians and, of course, people who are looking to lead or be the next VP or whatever, any country...
	I like it when they're calm, for a start.
	It's not all shouty-shouty.
	Yes, Trump can be very, very funny and ad hominem sometimes when it's necessary, and it's entertaining.
	But I like, A, what you mentioned about the relatable stuff, but also...
	Reminding people of policy and what the opposition has done and to sort of find solutions, because that's what people want, right?
	Solutions. We're kind of sick of the talking.
	I think I've said many a times when I've come here about conferences and stuff like that, I understand it's a morale boost, but people want to see action.
	What is it you're proposing?
	What is your solution?
	And from what I saw, I think it offered quite a few.
	Right, yeah, so the actual substance of what they talked about, the thing you mentioned there about where they talked about censorship, or the state of democracy, that was right at the end, that was like the last thing, but let's talk about that now, because if there was anything that was actually, for me anyway, genuinely interesting...
	It was probably that, because they can talk about housing policy and things for a while and it's dull.
	It's important, but it's kind of dull.
	But yeah, right at the end they talked about democracy and of course Governor Walz talked all about Trump's assault on democracy with January 6th and the mass trespass event that took place at the Capitol.
	And so that's his angle, that democracy is under attack because of that, because Trump shouted fire in a crowded theatre, effectively, politically, in some sense, in some ways.
	And that lots of police officers were wounded that day.
	Okay. But Vance shoots back with, well, one, that's nonsense.
	Trump did just hand over power, didn't he, though?
	Yeah. And also, the real attack on democracy is your guy's censorship.
	In fact, one quote I had, the only actual quote I bothered picking out, He said of Kamala, specifically of Kamala, that she was engaged in, quote, censorship on an industrial scale.
	Brilliant. I suppose he was referencing the Zuckerberg stuff, but there's more than one thing he could probably have pointed to.
	The classic thing is that you accuse your enemies of doing exactly what you're doing.
	If anyone's destroying freedom of speech and therefore the nature of democracy itself in America, it's coming from the left.
	And their constitution as well.
	Yes, and you see the notion of the argument.
	So they're saying that, okay, if you don't have, if you're not a free speech absolutist, therefore you have to be absolutely against free speech.
	That was the implication, which is actually proving what J.D. Vance is talking about.
	Because if he's saying, you are a problem for free speech, and the answer is, well, there's one case where most people agree that free speech isn't a good thing.
	Yeah, okay. I mean, what about all the other cases where it's a good thing?
	Well, I'm personally a free speech advocate, obviously.
	Anyone in the right mind would be.
	A free speech sort of ultra.
	But there's limits. In any civilized society, you do need sort of libel laws, for example.
	You can't just go around accusing anyone of being a rapist, say, and expect to get away with that.
	So there is a limit on complete and absolute, truly absolute freedom of speech.
	But yeah, that's no argument to say that, well, then we should be able to censor whatever we want to censor.
	It's just a non-sector.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	It seems to me that every other year, the Democrats are addressing the lowest common denominator, year after year.
	That's what I wanted to say.
	Now, one thing, Samson, I sent you something.
	Could we load it, please? It's about the debate.
	I think that what is...
	I have a different opinion.
	I want to see what you think.
	Okay. I'm not hijacking the segment.
	Please tell me. Please tell me.
	I wanted to point at this face that Tim Walz was constantly doing.
	And I want to say that if we take the content of what was said apart and we just look at the performance, it seemed to me that it was a brilliant victory of J.D. Vance.
	And I think that's objective because Team Walls came across as completely nervous.
	He was constantly doing this face.
	He was constantly looking at him as horrifying.
	It was a bit rabbit in the headlights on his face a fair bit.
	Quite a bit actually, yeah. Quite a lot.
	No, it's a fair point. It wasn't like literally sweat running down his face.
	Yeah, that face.
	He was doing that face a fair bit.
	There's so many memes going around now as well, which is so funny.
	But on the other things to mention, they talked about the Middle East.
	They both agreed, maybe not obviously, but they both agreed unconditional support for Israel, condemning Iran.
	What else did they talk about?
	They talked about hurricanes and climate change.
	Obviously, there was a bit of a difference between them on whether climate change is real or not.
	But in everything, nearly everything, they talked about the economy, they talked about abortion and guns and housing and affordability and energy and healthcare and childcare and all that sort of thing.
	And on policy, you can usually imagine exactly what it is.
	You know, like the Dem is sort of pro-baby murder, and Vance wasn't, right?
	So... You can imagine what it is, you know, the old waltz says there's nothing wrong with the economy, and Bidenomics is fine, and Vant saying no it isn't, you've ruined the economy, saying there's no real problem on the border, and Vant saying there isn't. You get it.
	The one thing that I did, the one real sort of moment I thought that was sort of a gotcha, It was for Wolves, where apparently there was one little section where they sort of asked them to defend themselves personally or things that they've said on Twitter or things in their personal lives that they use like a bit of a see if we can do a gotcha moment.
	So for Vance, they said, do you remember that time you said, I can't remember the exact words, but it was quite critical of Trump in 2016 was Vance.
	I don't know if you remember that. There was a case, yeah.
	He said he was a bad man. I can't remember exactly what he said.
	But he obviously walked that back not long after and obviously him and Trump have come to terms with it.
	So they tried to do that with him.
	They tried to do that with Vance and Vance defended himself perfectly, more or less.
	But the Wolves one was quite bad.
	Wolves had been to China.
	Yeah, that's it. I think a bunch of times earlier in his life, like in the 1980s sort of thing.
	Well, it must have been the 80s.
	Was involved in some sort of program where they take people over there, students, and I don't know what exactly, but something like that.
	And apparently he'd claimed that he was in Tiananmen Square.
	Oh, yes. When the Chinese were rolling tanks over dissident students and stuff.
	Do you remember? When was that?
	It was the early 80s, wasn't it?
	Tiananmen Square. I should know the exact date.
	Was it mid-80s? Yeah, something like that.
	Early to mid-80s sometime. Anyway, apparently he'd claimed he was there, and he simply wasn't.
	It simply wasn't. It's like when Hillary claimed she came under fire when she visited Yugoslavia one time.
	It just didn't happen.
	1989, right, yeah, sorry, late 80s then.
	And so when they grilled him on it, he just sort of prevarigated and just was like, um, um, um, blah, blah, blah.
	And then it was like, let him speak for a minute.
	And then it said, yeah, but were you there or not, though?
	Yeah. And he said, I misspoke.
	I misspoke. My spirit was there.
	I was there in spirit.
	So you totally lied about that.
	The thing is, it's funny because he says, oh, I misspoke, but then didn't later on in the debate, he said something like, I'm friends with school shooters or something?
	Something insane? Did you not catch that?
	If I got that wrong, I'm so sorry.
	No, no, no. I was listening to it on Time 2 Speed, and a couple of times I sort of zoned out because it was so boring.
	But I didn't actually catch that bit, but maybe.
	There was a whole bit about guns and school shootings and stuff.
	Yeah. He said he was friends with...
	I don't know.
	Something around that.
	I have seen a couple of memes where people have sort of photoshopped him into the Columbine.
	So I think he must have said something like that.
	Yeah. He became friends with a school teacher.
	Odd. Weird.
	Maybe he misspoke. Are we able to listen?
	It's one of those things that you listen to and say, that can't be true.
	Yeah. What did he actually say?
	Play it. Senator, thank you.
	Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position.
	Why? Yeah, I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.
	I've become friends with school shooters.
	I've seen it. Look, the NRA, I've seen NRA for a long time.
	Yeah, that's a doozy.
	I guess that's what he must have meant.
	That's a doozy. I became friends with the victims of school shootings, the parents of at least.
	That must have been what he meant there.
	Anyway, because the thing is, right, we all speak for a living.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've done hundreds, maybe a few thousand hours of content now in my time.
	And misspeaking is a thing.
	Yeah, of course. It's totally a thing.
	Because your brain is moving at such a vast pace and you want to get it all out.
	And quite often you're thinking ahead of what your mouth is actually saying.
	Yes. So like for example, a number of times...
	Sometimes you think of hostages and you speak of sausages.
	It does happen. You speak for long enough.
	If you speak for long enough. But that's different.
	You use an autocue. But what my point was going to be is that that's different to just lying that you were in Tiananmen Square.
	That's not misspeaking.
	That's not misspeaking. A number of times I've gone to say Queen Elizabeth and I've just said Victoria.
	Yeah, yeah. Or the other way around.
	Yeah, yeah. And you don't often, you don't even hear it yourself.
	Because if I hear myself misspeaking, I'll correct myself in real time immediately.
	You can't misspeak if you claim you're at a particular location and you say it and then go, hang on a minute, no, sorry, that was wrong.
	I wasn't there. I was actually here.
	You don't just carry that on.
	It's weird. And then never mention about it again.
	Getting names wrong, I did some content about Cicero a few weeks back, and Kato, and I was talking about Cicero and Kato loads, and within a space of an hour, like four times, I said Cicero when I'm meant to say Kato.
	But four times, it happens, right?
	It happens, yeah. And as I say, often you don't even hear it yourself, because your brain's two steps ahead already.
	So that's misspeaking.
	Yeah. And it's not like Biden, where it's like, that's just a medical condition.
	Yeah, when you don't even really...
	It's just... Yeah.
	Depression. Yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean?
	But, I mean, a lot of these debates, they just end up with...
	With the question, you know, do you trust this person?
	And if you just look at any random Tim Wall's face, of those, you know, just surprised faces he does every time...
	He's a Stolen Valor guy. Something is weird.
	Our producer just brought up a web page, a list of Tim Wall's liars, apparently.
	Interesting. Well, so anyway...
	I wanted to say that he doesn't exude trust.
	He looks like a person who is never in control of the situation.
	Yeah, a bit, a bit.
	Certainly way more than Vance, put it that way.
	Definitely way more than Vance. Not a leader.
	Vance does seem like a competent pair of hands, right?
	A safe pair of hands.
	But yeah, like, because little white liars to prevent someone feeling uncomfortable.
	That's one thing. Like, don't you think my baby's cute and they're not?
	And you say, yeah, of course they are.
	Right, that sort of liar.
	Okay. Right.
	That's a lie. You didn't misspoke.
	Is this creme brulee I spent ages making, did you enjoy it?
	Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, sorry, I meant to say.
	Those sorts of liars.
	Okay, that's one thing. But to just make up that you came under fire when you didn't, or you was in Tiananmen Square in 1989 when you weren't, for me, anyway, that's sort of inexcusable.
	It's sort of a proper, proper sort of black mark on your character.
	Yeah. Sorry, I just saw there was one.
	What was that if you go down?
	I think it was number seven or something.
	White Guy Tacos.
	What was that? What was that?
	Yeah, what is this? I've never seen this before.
	Waltz appeared to have even misled the American people about his...
	Is it palate?
	In an online video, he apparently stated that black pepper is the spiciest food he eats, although Waltz has a taste for spicy food.
	In the video, Waltz gestures towards a table and tells Kamala Harris, I have white guy tacos.
	What? I mean, not spicy, I guess that's what he means.
	I like non-spicy tacos.
	I mean... I don't know if that's anything to do with lie.
	So anyway, my takeaway from this is that it's probably not worth anyone watching.
	Although these guys are, one of them is going to be one heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world.
	Right. Got to be able to speak.
	Because the thing about being a vice president, famously, the cliche is, is that it's a nothing office.
	It's really boring.
	You want sort of a non-entity person, like Dan Quayle, to do it.
	Or Al Gore. And yeah, you're one heartbeat away from the big chair, but you'll probably never get there.
	And it's all a bit of a nothing.
	But there is quite a lot of examples in history of VPs becoming the president for whatever reason.
	I mean the 304 presidents have been assassinated or died whilst in office so it's not that crazy and obviously plenty of people want Trump dead so Vance could be the big man one day.
	Never know. So I mean it is the cliche that it doesn't matter.
	But it actually does, right?
	It still does really matter.
	I think it does.
	And on all of that, despite being, you know, we're much more pro-Trump than we are pro-Harris, but I feel like Vance sort of easily won it.
	He came across well, I think, if I can even come close to being objective about it.
	It seemed to me he came across well, and Governor Walz seemed...
	He wasn't too bad, but he did lie.
	He had lied, and he was a bit of a rabbit in the headlights.
	And obviously the policies are insane.
	So there you go. Cool.
	We have several...
	Several?
	Chats, so...
	Axis the Eternal.
	I wasn't expecting a good debate, but Vance actually crushed it.
	I liked him after reading his book, but now I think he's great, and such a smart debater, plus it was civil.
	See, I like civil. I quite like civil.
	That is a random name. I am a free speech terror.
	All the white commies in my uni program would lose their minds when I would call them the n-word law.
	Yeah, that is a random name.
	It is time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day.
	Kamala Harris is genuinely below average IQ. She almost names old Joe Seen Coherent.
	How has she passed the bar?
	Seriously, right? How was she a prosecutor?
	I don't know. The Habsification, Brandenburg versus Ohio, does allow people to yell fire in a crowded theatre.
	And Winpill Seeker, to seem stereotypical and bland him, said he didn't like spices, but he actually won a spicy chili recipe if you lie about the little things.
	What about... Oh, so he lied about liking...
	Why? Like, why?
	Maybe to gain the spicy vote.
	It's weird, isn't it? The spicy vote.
	Weirdo. It basically keeps people of being what they are.
	That's a weird lie, isn't it?
	Yeah, really. That's so strange. And again, in their weird Democrat, like, rich Georgetown Democrat world, that makes sense.
	What's this? We have one for you.
	Bo Kamala passed the bar on her knees, obviously.
	Oh! Oh, couldn't.
	Do you remember Hillary said, oh I keep a bottle of hot sauce in my purse, in my handbag?
	Yes, I remember. Yeah, it's just...
	Like, that's almost certainly not true.
	And even if it was, or both ways, that's weird.
	It is weird. That's weird.
	Are you pretending you really love hot sauce?
	What, for the Mexican vote because you think they all love hot sauce or something?
	Weirdo. Completely out of touch.
	Freak. The fun thing, I don't know, his wife said that during the BLM riots, and they were in Minnesota, I think, she opened the windows so she could inhale the smoke.
	You said that, sorry, his wife?
	His wife, Tim Walsh's wife.
	Yeah. She wants to imbibe anarchy.
	It was like an offering to her.
	Weird. Right, so Lewis, let's go to what you have to offer.
	Okay, so the question of this segment is, why should we fight?
	Why should we fight? Now, we've been seeing in the news very recently, or over the past year, the idea of conscription.
	Now, I'm sure you guys have done segments on the topic of conscription, but it's come up again last week.
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	Give it a shot. So, recent headlines suggest that Britain is close to participating in a full-blown war with boots on the ground.
	Meanwhile, the regime is concerned that there isn't enough people volunteering for the military service.
	The Telegraph posted this.
	Civilians must be ready to fight because Britain's military is so small, warns Trump.
	Boots on the ground in Lebanon or in Donbass?
	We don't know. It could be either or both.
	Or anywhere. So, in this article, it says, according to the report by the Lords International Relations and Defence Committee, found that the armed forces, quote,"...lack the mass resilience and internal coherence necessary to maintain a deterrent effect and respond effectively to prolonged and high-intensity warfare." And questioned whether the British army is prepared to meet the growing threat posed by Russia to European...
	What is Russia they're talking about?
	So they're talking about Russia, specifically.
	So I guess we can open up the floor.
	So I... My sentiment is quite clear, actually.
	I wouldn't fight if I was called up.
	I'd actually rather go to prison, if I'm totally honest.
	The reason being...
	It's quite simple, really.
	Why would I want to fight for this regime?
	So the regime, for me, a lot of the previous wars, I'm sure, Beau, you've got extensive knowledge on this, the previous wars that the UK, or Britain, has been part of since World War II could have been avoided, a lot of them.
	And some of them, I think, weren't necessary, if I'm totally honest.
	So, citing examples, I was against the Afghanistan war and Iraq war as well.
	It's caused a lot of issues with, let's say, power vacuums from other political entities that we're continuing to fight now because of this.
	Those are just a few examples, but...
	Yeah, I think also the narrative surrounding the Ukraine and Russia conflict as well.
	Now, spoiler alert, I'm not a Putin sympathiser nor a Russian propagandist.
	I don't like Russia. I don't like Ukraine.
	I don't like either, actually.
	That's my own opinion.
	But I wanted to open the floor to the question to you guys about why should we?
	For me, at all times, any conscription or draft Is a terrible, terrible, terrible thing.
	Yes. It's a type of enslavement.
	Yes. Britain, we did it in World War I, and World War II of course, but World War I, and that was one of the first times we'd ever done it.
	It's not really in our tradition, if you look on the scale of centuries, it's not really a British tradition to have conscription.
	I think there's two different, fundamentally, two different types of war.
	There's one, like an existential threat.
	We can talk about World War II and who was ultimately responsible and who goaded who until when.
	But nonetheless, when you find yourself in the summer of 1940 and possibly a foreign army is going to come to the shores of England.
	Yes. Then maybe the draft and conscription make some sense to me then morally.
	Sure. At that point.
	But yeah, to go and fight a foreign war for someone else under conscription, no, no, no, no, no.
	On principle, no.
	Luckily, I'm in my early 40s, so I'll probably be a bit too old.
	Oh, you're lucky. For a purely personal point of view, they probably don't want me.
	I'm too old and knackered.
	I've got terrible cardio. Dear Ministry of Defence, my cardio is terrible.
	You don't want me. You don't want me.
	I'll be a wheezing mess straight away.
	I'm a smoker. So, but I do think unless it's an actual existential threat that these islands are being invaded by, and Putin's not going to invade Kent, right?
	So no, no conscription, no draft.
	It's crazy.
	What about devices? Oh yeah, well, yeah.
	I put my life on the line to defend devices.
	Against what? Russian paratroops.
	They drop a parachute regiment on devices.
	I think there's, of course, a difference between defending your community, defending your family and friends within your constituents, for example.
	You know, defending your home area.
	Then to be drafted up and be sent to other borders, other people's wars, proxy wars that the establishment have either goaded or purposely getting involved with, with regards to not necessarily protecting freedom and democracy.
	We hear that a lot about wars.
	We're here to instill and protect freedom and democracy.
	No, you're after minerals most of the time, let's be honest.
	Yeah. So there's one, so the first point is the principle of the thing, of conscription, so that's that.
	Then the second thing is, as you mentioned, talking about the regime.
	Who am I fighting for? Exactly.
	Okay, I'm fighting the British army for the British government.
	But yeah, but on behalf of whom exactly?
	On behalf of what? The trilateral commission.
	Some ultimate power.
	Yeah. I.e., well, Washington, probably.
	Yeah, probably, yeah. Or on behalf of the Zelensky government?
	No. No. Not only will I not give my blood for the Zelensky government, I don't want any other Englishman, or Brit, or any other North Western Europe, anyone really, actually.
	Even Ukrainian men shouldn't be shedding their blood on behalf of that government.
	One of the most corrupt things of all time.
	Absolutely. Again, that doesn't make me in the pay of Putin in any way.
	No. And then finally, I suppose, the last point I would make about it is...
	Yeah, just making the distinction between fighting in a foreign field.
	Okay, sometimes that might be, that might actually be necessary or something.
	Like, it's very difficult to find truly just wars.
	But if you look at the Falklands, for example.
	Yeah, I think that was, yeah.
	Like, going halfway round the world to defend those people of the Falkland Islands who wanted, absolutely wanted to remain part of Britain, the Commonwealth, rather than under Argentinian rule in Buenos Aires.
	Okay. But yeah, going to fight and die in the Donbass for Ukraine against Russia.
	And here's the ultimate point I was going to make.
	It was possible to beat the Arges in the early 80s.
	No one's beating Russia's army in the Donbass.
	They have got effectively endless men, effectively endless armour, effectively endless shells, right?
	Don't go and fight a war, you know, I said this the other day, Sun Tzu talks about this, Machiavelli talks about this, Von Clausewitz talks about this.
	Don't get involved in a hot war with someone you can't beat.
	Don't do it. Like, we won't beat them on the battlefield.
	Even if they conscripted 200,000 guys and we sent the whole British army over there.
	If Putin decided he still wants to win, he's going to win.
	If he decides he wants to use tactical nukes, he can.
	It's an old cliche, it's in The Princess Bride.
	Never get involved in a land war in Russia.
	That's a classic blunder.
	Never trust a Sicilian and never get involved in a land war with Russia.
	Yeah, no. Hitler couldn't do it.
	Napoleon couldn't do it. The only people that have ever done it was the Golden Hall.
	It was the Mongols.
	The only people ever, really, to have attempted that successfully was the Mongols.
	And that was more or less pre-gunpowder or right on the cusp of gunpowder.
	So nowadays, with Russia, with loads and loads of armour and endless shells and nukes, it's not happening.
	So no. Stelios?
	Well, I agree with Beau on the distinction.
	There are wars that are defensive and even existential and wars that are not.
	And it seems to me that when you're asking this question, I want to ask, you know, what is it?
	Now, obviously, yes, I mean, I haven't gone there to fight.
	So I'm asking with my...
	I have already answered the question.
	But, you know, I mean, Yeah, so I want to understand more what it is.
	Yeah, sure. So before, I think there has only been two periods in history with conscription in Britain, and that was World War I and World War II. I don't think there's been any other call-up.
	So the idea of fighting for your nation was almost a given before then.
	You would do it because it was a high-trust society.
	You wanted to protect that.
	You had, you know, it was very much...
	It was just different.
	Everything was just different.
	Or you were living in penury and they could give you food and clothing and food.
	Something that I hope if I'm wrong, Beau, you can correct me.
	It seems to me that we're talking now about conscription and conscription in the context that we are talking about it requires a strong notion of individual rights.
	Because the idea that individuals have rights against the collective, be that a nation, be that an ethnicity or whatever, is relatively new.
	That seems to me early Enlightenment.
	Before, there was never the idea whether you had the individual right to not get conscripted and to fight a war like that.
	It was just... You are a member of this society, you have to fight for it, no question.
	We're talking pre-enlightenment, is that what you're saying?
	Yes, it seems to me. Do you think I'm vastly wrong about this?
	Because there are several implications when it comes to this, because we're talking about conscription in countries that have a strong tradition of respect for individual rights, and there are other cultures that don't respect individual rights to such an extent.
	So I think that the practice across history is that people weren't asked if they want to fight wars.
	Genghis Khan didn't ask the Mongols, do you want to join?
	It was, you know, if you don't join, you're going to get into trouble.
	I think the real answer to that is it just vastly depends when and where you're talking about, right?
	The classic thing that sprung to mind is the difference between the classical Athenians and the classical Spartans.
	One society is, yeah, all men, all healthy grown men are warriors in Sparta.
	It's not the case in Athens.
	If you skip ahead maybe to the higher Middle Ages, you would have men-at-arms where there'll be a knightly class, but your average peasant would never be asked to fight, necessarily, unless there was a giant war or some sort of existential threat, then maybe. But there wouldn't be just a national draft.
	There still wouldn't be a national draft.
	Then if you skip ahead to maybe the Napoleonic era wars, again there was no national draft.
	Quite often there'd be criminals, your average man, take the king's shilling.
	Quite often you might be a criminal and you're given the option, either join the army, join the Redcoats or we deport you to Australia.
	Which one do you want? Or prison?
	Or clink? Which one?
	It's up to you. People take the army.
	Or just also lots of people that genuinely just...
	There was a big enough genuine want to join the army as a career.
	Exactly. And that's changed drastically.
	So I guess that moves on to the next part of this because this is specifically addressing a war with Russia or boots on the ground from the threat of Russia and And I think in the social media age, or the internet age, or whatever you want to call it, people can now figure out narratives.
	You know, we have hindsight bias now with all the previous wars.
	You can go back, see what went wrong, what decisions were made that led up to that.
	Could it have been avoided?
	The narrative surrounding this particular war, Ukraine-Russia, is so blatant for people to see.
	For example...
	Oh gosh, how do I go to the next one?
	Move the mouse across to that screen.
	There we go. So, the current reluctance, I believe, that's part of the reluctance anyway, to not join the military ranks, I think is largely to do with the narrative.
	For example, here is the UK has committed £12.8 billion to Ukraine.
	That's £7.8 billion in military support.
	And £5 billion in non-military support, according to this government fact sheet.
	And when you put that into context, and given the domestic policies as well within the UK recently, the first thing that comes to mind is the winter fuel allowance.
	It's the first thing for me that comes into mind.
	All these billions and billions of pounds being pushed into Ukraine, yet...
	The government won't even provide heating for our own elderly population.
	And that's going to upset people, and that's going to make people say, well, hang on a minute, that's not fair.
	You've got that amount of money to send over to another country for wars, but yet you can't afford to heat homes for our elderly.
	Some may have even fought for this country.
	So there's that. There's that narrative.
	There's that hypocrisy or discontent.
	Potholes. Our roads are filled with potholes.
	Yes. Which would cost a few hundred quid or whatever.
	A couple of grand at most. But we can give...
	The border. We can give Zelensky...
	Yeah. Endless money.
	Our border. The same thing.
	Exactly the same. To empezzle. We're paying...
	I think I've got it here at some point, which we'll go through, but...
	Yeah, over 8 million a day for illegal migrants in hotels.
	And you see that and we're paying into that.
	And you're seeing the discontent just sort of unravel and people are going, hang on a minute, well, what about our own?
	What about us as well?
	I say this sometimes quite often, maybe too often, but when billions get thrown about...
	To put it into perspective, because you hear, you know, Twitter costs Elon $44 billion.
	Yeah, sure. You know, Elon's got over $200 billion and Bill Gates has got $150 billion or whatever.
	You hear these numbers. But $12.8 billion is a giant number.
	It's huge. The James Webb Space Telescope costs $10 billion.
	Yeah, most people don't have the money Elon and Bill Gates have.
	Yeah, the fact Elon's got 220 plus billion, that's insane.
	Yeah, absolutely insane. I can't even, like, fathom that.
	That's a big number. It's like a Graham number.
	It's got to be approaching one of the richest people ever to have lived, actually, now, Elon.
	But, yeah, these numbers, it's a silly amount.
	It's a silly amount. It's truly a silly amount.
	And there's, of course, other agendas, but...
	The narrative surrounding, could this have been prevented?
	Now, you can use hindsight bias, but this is from, this next one's from the European Conservative, and this was published last year in 2023.
	And it says, Now, I think you might have remembered the Russians invaded Ukraine and then offered neutrality, a deal of some sort.
	And the Western allies rallied with, obviously, Ukraine, and Boris Johnson was part of that deal.
	And basically said no, and influenced that refusal, essentially.
	Now that's considered Russian propaganda, apparently, even though it did actually happen.
	And there's, of course, receipts there that you can go and have a look for yourself.
	This is all sourced by Ukrainian sources as well.
	So, that makes you think, well, if it could have been presented and hundreds of thousands of men from both sides could have not lost their lives, there's a possibility.
	Now, it's difficult.
	It's hindsight, of course.
	It's easy for me to sit in a warm studio and say something like that, so I understand.
	And I'm sure you guys might have different opinions on that.
	But there's an option, right?
	There's an option there.
	Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, if you look at since the conflict began, how many billions...
	It's mostly the United States, isn't it?
	But also lots of other European countries have given the Zelensky government...
	It must be up and around 100 billion or more, all in all, right?
	It's sort of crazy money.
	And last summer, there was meant to be a big push, wasn't there?
	big Ukrainian offensive which came to absolutely nothing essentially on the battlefield anyway didn't retake hardly anything or if they did the Russians retook it back quite quickly yeah so it does beg the question where has all that money gone I mean Zelensky now apparently it seems to be a very very wealthy person which is odd because I didn't think he he was all that wealthy before he got into office and I didn't think the office of president of Ukraine pays that much but now apparently he's an extremely wealthy person anyway
	the point is it's obviously the, an embezzlement thing.
	Yes. It's obviously untold corruption is going on.
	So, no, I'm not going to...
	I'm not going to go and fight for that.
	No. No, and people say things like the argument like, you know, like the poor Ukrainians that they've had bits of their country ripped away from them.
	Well, if we're going to get down to brass tacks, really get down to it, get brutally, brutally honest, I don't care.
	No, I don't care if Russia has taken a bit of Ukraine off of Ukraine.
	No, I don't care. No, so that bit of Donbass is now controlled by the administration from Moscow rather than Kiev.
	So, No, I'm not going to apologise for that.
	No, I don't want hundreds of thousands of anyone to die for that.
	Yeah, that's the moral point, right?
	You don't want hundreds of thousands of people to perish.
	Putin's a new Hitler, this aggression cannot stand.
	Well, he's not. That's not exactly what's going on here.
	He's been goaded by NATO for decades.
	So, no, I don't buy that either.
	No, if that's what it means, if that bit of Donbass, a bit of eastern Ukraine, has to be bitten off by Russia, then so be it.
	No, I don't care. And the map gets redrawn all the time throughout history.
	In a vast sweep of history, this stuff goes on all the time.
	In a vast sweep of history, that sort of stuff, it's small change.
	So no, no Brits should go and fight and die for that.
	No, we shouldn't be sending them billions.
	No, I don't support the Zelensky government.
	Sorry, not sorry. There you go.
	Stereos? No, it's just I think that for some reason we are constantly asked whether we side with one or another side of foreign conflicts and I mean, people have their opinions about who should win or who shouldn't.
	But at the end of the day, you can't ask people to go and give their lives for a war that isn't theirs.
	And I think that what is also particularly Bound to generate resentment, and it did generate resentment, is if you just make the decision for your own people as a politician without even asking them whether they want to fund the forever wars.
	Sure. How many Ukrainian men is Zelensky going to throw into that meat grinder?
	No, how many? A whole generation ruined, and that's not enough?
	Will a million deaths be enough for Zelensky?
	No, he'll need boots from other countries now to throw into that endless meat grinder that he cannot win.
	I mean, yeah. If I've got any sympathy, and of course I've got some sympathy, it's with the people that have died, needlessly.
	Both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers.
	Not to mention Ukrainian civilians.
	Of course I care about that.
	But where the line on the map is, who administers what politically?
	I'm an Englishman, I don't care about that.
	They've wasted lives.
	Zelensky and the Western government, someone like Boris, someone like Biden, the Chiefs of Staff in the Pentagon, people like Victoria Nuland in the State Department, and Putin.
	And Putin, yeah.
	They've got the blood of hundreds of thousands of men on their lives.
	And not just men, women and children as well, civilians.
	That is obviously a tragedy.
	Don't get me wrong, of course that's a tragedy.
	But where the lion is on the map, it wasn't worth those deaths.
	It can never be worth those deaths.
	It's not worth one more death.
	I think, I mean, I don't like talking about the war.
	And everyone who has watched me in segments about this may have already seen this.
	I mean, there are so many things to talk about the war and so many assumptions that you require hours to sit down and actually have a good conversation with people about it.
	Because, for instance, I think we have a tendency of looking at it as entirely top-down.
	And, I mean, I know several Ukrainians who aren't particularly thinking that it's Zelensky who made us do it.
	They want to fight the war.
	But, you know, I don't know what kind of sample is this.
	Honestly, I think that we don't know this and because we don't know so many things about it, it's really weird that we are being asked to just instantly take an existential choice about it.
	I mean, it's not something I know that much about.
	There was that very long interview that Tucker did with Putin.
	Right. Where Putin started his narrative in the 10th century.
	Right. And that's not ridiculous.
	Right. At all. To start the narrative there.
	Not 2014. And I did an interesting bit of content with Apostolic Majesty, whose historical knowledge is absolutely vast.
	We did a two hour plus conversation, breaking down Tucker and Putin's conversation.
	And again, we started in about the 10th century.
	And that's really, honestly, where it probably should begin.
	The relationship between Kiev and Moscow and Novogrod and the nature of Russia and Ukraine.
	You know, even if you go from the Soviet era to the present day, even that is quite low resolution, right?
	So to say that Russia should not, cannot, on principle, control the Donbass, no.
	No, I'm not buying that.
	There's nothing set in stone for all time that Ukraine's borders have to be where they were in 2014.
	It's different.
	Well, in regards to agendas, because I think the point of this was the narrative behind this specific war.
	It's not just about Ukraine specifically And I know I spoke a little bit earlier about minerals.
	Well, Lindsey Graham, being one from America, has said that Ukraine has trillions of dollars worth of critical minerals in their country.
	And that he doesn't want to give that over to Putin and China.
	That's his call, is it?
	Yeah. And I think people are starting to see through that, that it's a lot more than just borders.
	I think Lindsey Graham is a disgusting person.
	A mad warhawk.
	Mad warhawk.
	Again, it's a million lives enough for Mr.
	Graham. How many men need to die, Lindsey?
	Mm-hmm. Yeah.
	Right? Just so you can keep the line on a map.
	What's interesting, he says in this specific clip, I don't know if we can play just this clip if that's possible, What did Trump do to get the weapons flowing?
	He created a loan system.
	They're sitting on $10 to $12 trillion of critical minerals in Ukraine.
	They could be the richest country in all of Europe.
	I don't want to give that money and those assets to Putin to share with China.
	If we help Ukraine now, they can become the best business partner we ever dreamed of, that $10-12 trillion of critical mineral assets could be used by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China.
	This is a very big deal, how Ukraine ends.
	Let's help them win a war we can't afford to lose.
	Let's find a solution to this war.
	But they're sitting on a gold mine to give Putin $10 or $12 trillion of critical minerals that he will share with China is ridiculous.
	He's just playing a game of risk.
	It's just a game to him, isn't it?
	That's literally how I see him viewing that.
	And like you said, hundreds of thousands, so many men have perished.
	It's so sad. And I feel really, really, like, I don't know, just the Ukrainians being slaughtered, basically, as well as Russians.
	A generation ruined. Yeah, over minerals.
	Yeah. He doesn't care.
	There's another argument I've heard about this.
	It isn't about minerals, it's about food.
	Because a lot of food for Europe is produced in Ukraine.
	Yes, the grain. The argument goes like this, that if Putin controls Ukraine...
	He can have...
	His power over Europe is going to rise exponentially because he can also utilize his power as an energy giant, but also someone who could potentially cause a food crisis.
	But yeah, Lindsey Graham is talking about the minerals here, but I'm just saying the argument...
	Yeah, there's another argument, yeah.
	In terms of like, I'm talking mostly about the narrative surrounding the conflict.
	I mean, the narrative... The narrative was just imposed top-down.
	No one was ever asked.
	Exactly. And that's why a lot of people are being very critical.
	No one was asked.
	No one was said anything about it.
	No one had the right to criticize anything.
	And we are conflating a lot of things because it's one thing to ask whether Ukrainians have the right to, you know, it's right for them to defend themselves.
	And quite another thing to ask whether people should, without being asked, Being forced to fund a foreign war.
	I think it's because a lot of people have resentment over the latter, over the government's reaction.
	It's an elite. Yeah, that's all they see.
	And it's to be expected that what would these politicians expect if they force people to fund a war that isn't theirs?
	Yeah, they would feel resentment.
	Conscription in the draft is obviously would be massively, massively unpopular.
	If you look at the United States in Vietnam, when they eventually brought in the draft for that, well, that sort of really, really damaged America.
	In all sorts of ways. It was under Nixon.
	And the Nixon White House was quite literally under siege for weeks on end.
	Not a medieval siege.
	But students and draft protesters surrounded the White House for weeks and weeks on end.
	They got in loads of old buses and barricaded the roads for weeks on end.
	It ripped apart American society to a degree.
	The draft. Because it was such a fairly unjust war.
	Well, we don't want to get into that with Vietnam because...
	Anyway, that's a whole different story.
	The draft is unpopular.
	Very unpopular. And this will be, of course, as well, massively, massively unpopular.
	No one's going to be...
	No one's chomping at the bit to go and fight and die for Zelensky.
	And I think, to end the segment on that note, I think...
	It's almost like a test.
	Testing the waters.
	That's why you're seeing a lot of these headlines about conscription and everything.
	It's almost like testing the public's reaction.
	And the vast majority are saying, I don't want to fight for the Trilateral Commission or the Tony Blair Institute or...
	I don't know, people are even saying the WEF, people like that.
	No, because this is an elite problem.
	This is the establishment problem.
	And we're all pawns in this game.
	And it's so sad.
	It's genuinely just sad.
	And people are fatigued from wars.
	We just don't want it.
	Just don't want it. Go and fight and die in the Donbass 4 on behalf of...
	Some faceless, nameless war planners at the State Department in DC and Pentagon.
	I don't know these people.
	I don't know what's in their heart and soul and in their mind, what their motivations are, who pulls their strings, but we've got to be conscripted to go and fight and die in Eastern Europe.
	Yeah, no thanks. No, pass.
	That's a hard pass. Cheers. Yeah.
	That's it. Right, let's go to the comments here.
	Bold Eagle 1787 says, I'm waiting to see if Poland and Romania jump on Ukraine in its weakened state to reclaim their land they lost.
	Threadnought says, never get involved in a land war in Asia and never mess with a Sicilian when death is on the line.
	Quotation marks. Beau, before dying of Iosane poisoning.
	Iocane Poisoning. Yeah, it's a reference to The Princess Bride.
	Yeah. Have you seen Princess Bride?
	No. I've not seen that.
	It's not as lame as it sounds.
	All right. Yeah, I was going to say.
	It's actually a really, really good film. It was a romantic comedy.
	It's a cult classic.
	Windpill Seeker, for more of Beau's exquisite collabs with Godfrey Bloom, Apostolic Majesty Count Dankula, and many of the Lotus Eaters staff, check out History Bro by Beau and become a member of thelotuseeaters.com.
	Cheers, buddy. Let's go to the video comments.
	I appreciate that. Are there any?
	Samson? Are you there?
	Do we have any video comments?
	Yeah, I think he's clicking on them right now.
	There we go. Steve H. Another of my heroes is Raymond Lowy, progenitor of industrial design.
	He came to New York, a French immigrant, and made his living doing commercial illustrations.
	He had his eye on the Pennsylvania Railroad, and after petitioning them endlessly, they finally relented and gave him a project to design a garbage can.
	He did so so successfully.
	Eventually, he was the head designer for the railroad.
	This culminated in the legendary duplex locomotives, the fastest, most mechanically advanced locomotives ever built, and thanks to Mr.
	Lowy, the most beautiful as well.
	He and his prestigious design firm designed many things we'd find familiar today.
	Here's a man who set out to make the world a more beautiful place and succeeded admirably.
	I've never heard of him. Success story.
	Me neither, I don't think so.
	Let's go to the next one.
	I accept my mind in motion.
	It is by the juice of sassum.
	That thoughts acquire speed.
	The lips acquire stains.
	The stains become a warning.
	It is by will alone.
	I accept my mind in motion.
	It is by will alone.
	I accept my mind in motion.
	I react with sparing.
	Very ASMR. We'll unlock the ninth chakra.
	Excellent. Thanks for the day.
	Let's go to the next one. Missed Friday's show due to some Helene-induced technical difficulties.
	Look out for each other out there Wow wonder where he's from Tennessee or something or Georgia or Florida maybe Good luck hope you're alright.
	Yeah, good luck best Right, so let's go to the We have another one.
	Keith Kaiser. I will not fight and die for other countries.
	If the UK was under threat, I'd defend my homeland.
	But Russia, Ukraine, Israel, Palestine.
	F no. It's no Britain's right.
	Okay. Let's go to the comments.
	Rue the day. Podcast of the sexy lads.
	Always a joy to see Louis on.
	Oh, that's nice.
	And that Texas gal, always nice to have Louis on.
	So you won the female vote.
	I've won the female vote, have I? Right, so Europe is at a crossroads.
	Oh, I see. The regime was punishing that guy because he's a violent, rapey asshole.
	Lancelot. The far left are indeed scum.
	They're having rallies in support of Hezbollah here.
	Public support for a terrorist group is not only legal under Australian law, but also treason.
	But they won't get arrested, and you know why.
	Well, there seems to be generalized impunity.
	And whenever there are numbers, there is a sort of reluctance of the state and the government to enforce the law.
	Baystate, that clip of leftists chanting at those grieving people makes me violently angry.
	How dare you be sad your daughter was murdered.
	She was sacrificed to the gods of immigration on the altar of progress.
	You should be grateful, you heathen non-believer.
	Peter Harvey, migration will always be, but it should be limited.
	The migrant may not be ethnically part of the country they migrate to, but they have to, at a minimum, become culturally part of the country.
	If they can't, they should leave.
	Then the saying, when in Rome, be like the Romans.
	Now, let's go to the...
	Bo, do you want to read some of your comments?
	Yeah, if I can see them.
	I can read them for you.
	Okay, yeah, if you would, please.
	Arizona Desert Rat.
	You can tell the tampon team has never worked at a middle school or high school.
	He thinks that the tampons in the boys' bathroom will be used by trans boys.
	Why they will actually be used for is pranks around the school countries.
	Yeah, I did a segment about it and yeah, it's a no-brainer.
	That's what's bound to happen.
	Bleached Demon says, the most bizarre accidental moments from the knucklehead Tampon Tim said was, I've become friends with school shooters.
	Let the conspiracy theories begin.
	Yeah, he called himself a knucklehead at one point.
	Yeah, knucklehead Tampon Tim.
	They've got to be his epithets, his monikers.
	That's what he's known, goes down in history as.
	Knucklehead Tampon Tim.
	That sounds a bit Mad Max-y.
	You know, if you have loads on the one hand...
	Big enemy on Mad Max.
	Knucklehead Tampon Tim.
	The letter M isn't friends with shooters.
	This was the first time I really had listened to Senator Vance watching this debate.
	It was amazing he did so well.
	Perfect pick for the former president.
	I think he adds stuff to Trump.
	They fit together.
	He's a normal human being, basically, right?
	And Omar Awad said, speaking of China, I had heard Vance pointed at the hypocrisy in pushing green policy while offloading manufacturing to, as he says, quotation marks, dirty China.
	Should I do? Yeah.
	So Chris Rees says, the only time I would conscript is if I go in the space of my son as he's coming to the age of 18.
	Otherwise, why would I fight for a country that hates me?
	Can I say one thing about this?
	It seems to me that a lot of people are conflating country with government.
	Sure, exactly. We did say that, though, during the podcast.
	It's always the establishment, the elite.
	It's an elite establishment problem.
	It's never, ever the people at the bottom ever are dying.
	Yeah, because they're not identical. Absolutely, absolutely.
	Derek Power says, Dying for another nation is no different than subscribing to OnlyFans.
	Very cryptic, you know.
	Very cryptic. I feel like it's slightly different.
	Yeah, a little bit different. I guess I know the point they're making.
	Yeah. Master of esotericism.
	Bleach Demon says, Bo makes an interesting point.
	There is a strange notion in the halls of power that borders are static since 45 or maybe 92.
	Omar says, if we truly enter the worst timeline, it would be interesting to see how they implement their two-tier draft.
	Colin P says, fight for my country, probably fight for the regime.
	Nope. And Michael Brooks says, couldn't agree more with Bo.
	All wars are a human tragedy.
	However, we have no business fighting them.
	And we have two more.
	One is by Winpill Seeker says, clarification, he lied about fearing spices.
	He has spice prizes for his spicy chili, but he told everyone he isn't spicy to appeal to white people.
	Yeah? And by Threadnought, more people would buy Islander if Stelio sang his advertisement section.
	Also, if Colin's promotion had him dressed as the guy on his mug.
	Yes. Thank you very much.
	And on that note, we have run out of time.
	I hope you enjoyed it.
	I really enjoyed our conversation today.
	I hope you did as well.
	And we are going to be here tomorrow at 1pm and hope to see you all there.

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