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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1002

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Seaters.
	Today is Tuesday the 17th of September and this is episode number 1002 and I'm joined by my esteemed colleagues Dan and Bo.
	And we're gonna discuss how Hugh Edwards gets away with being a dirty pedo, and then we're gonna lighten the tone up with the far future of humanity and the mission to Europa.
	The first one's a bit dark, isn't it?
	It's very dark.
	Not much fun in the first segment, but we're gonna do our best to try and uplift it afterwards.
	If we can.
	I hope you will, because mine is very dark.
	It's very dark.
	But before we begin, we have an announcement to make.
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	And I have an opportunity here for you.
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	Right, so...
	Let's talk a bit about this very difficult case here.
	I have some issue with the... Pardon me, we have some issue with the...
	We have some issue with the... The mic isn't working.
	Do you want to give us the first tab, Samson?
	There we go.
	Right, okay.
	So, few things offend our sentiment of justice less than pedophiles getting away with it.
	And Hugh Edwards is such a case.
	And it seems that everyone is very much worried about how he has been handled, and everyone is just worried about not just the laws that exist, but also the spirit in which they have been attacked.
	Is it worth briefly explaining to our American audience who this Hugh Edwards guy is?
	Yes, he has been a one of the biggest journalists for decades.
	I think he is for about four decades.
	Wasn't he the newsreader?
	He was the main newsreader in the UK.
	News presenter, yes.
	Anchorman.
	So a top BBC man.
	He was top BBC man, the top person in the payroll.
	He had the biggest salary per year and the biggest annual salary.
	He covered the death of Queen Elizabeth and he also covered the coronation of King Charles.
	yes so it's it's going to make it a lot harder to bring up the box set of the queen funerals now but now he was essentially top tier yes very high profile journalist who is uh faced with who has bleeded guilty to to having let's say pornographic material Also depicting children.
	So it's a very difficult segment.
	Here we have a timeline of his fall.
	You will see here that there have been several allegations against him.
	We have an article here by the Daily Mail that is saying a lot of stuff of what happened across time.
	So for instance, we have in March 2023 he signed a new three-year deal with the BBC.
	In April 2023 the police were contacted but no criminality was identified.
	In May 18... Didn't this all start with him trying to buy nudes off some 14 year old boy or something like that?
	You will see.
	You will see.
	He did buy some stuff.
	And what is very, very sad is that the court gave him the most ridiculously charitable interpretation.
	And I do have a document of people saying, well, I don't think you actually bought it.
	What the financial transaction between you and the distributor had more the issue, the character of a gift.
	It is just sickening.
	Sickening.
	The reason I get confused is there are so many pedo stories that come out of the BBC, it's very easy to mix them up.
	Yes, so I have details about this, which are absolutely horrifying.
	So here, May 19th, 2023, a complainant contacted the BBC in a 29-minute call to the BBC's Audience Services team, and the details were referred to the Corporate Investigations team.
	The family member reportedly asked the broadcaster to stop sending their family member cash.
	Anyway, so the corporate investigations team decided the complaint didn't include an allegation of criminality, but merited more investigation.
	They say they contacted the complainant, but the complainant says that they weren't contacted.
	Anyway, so we have July the 5th.
	Hugh Edwards is in for the last time on the BBC as he covered King Charles' visit to Scotland.
	July the 6th, 2023.
	The Sun informs BBC Press Office about allegations against Hugh Edwards and they are launching an incident management group.
	July the 7th, The Sun publishes an exclusive which alleges that Hugh Edwards, unnamed at the time, paid a total of £35,000 for sexual content to someone beginning when they were 17.
	And you will see that at some point the BBC said, soon afterwards, that it's best if we stop having you on air, appear on air, until these allegations are resolved.
	But they kept paying him.
	So he stopped appearing on the BBC but they kept paying him.
	Right, so you see here that about November the 8th, 2023, he is arrested but he tells no one.
	Then, this February the 27th, the BBC apologizes to the young person's family who had complained about Edwards two months before.
	Edwards resigns from the BBC April 22nd.
	Then, June 26th, Edwards is charged with the possession of indecent images of children And, as you see here, July 31st, the end of July this year, he pleads guilty to making 41 indecent images of children.
	Now, before we say more about this, there is an issue with how making appears in legislation, and I will show you exactly.
	So, it's not that he took the pictures, it's an issue that we have to point out.
	Did he commission them or something?
	He received them.
	Right.
	The prosecutor on the sentencing remark or the judge, they say that we accuse you of making, but we are aware of how the law is phrased in a misleading manner.
	I'll show you all about it.
	And then yesterday, Edwards is sentenced to six months in prison, suspended for two years.
	So essentially he got away with it.
	Not even a day in prison.
	And for those of you who haven't understood... Hang on.
	Not a single day in prison.
	Not a single day.
	So we've just come through the last month where people have been going to jail for 20 months for Facebook posts and he didn't spend a single day in jail.
	single day and as you will see here category A pictures involve pictures that have images involving penetrative sexual activity involving with possession of images involving sexual activity with an animal or say and it was about underage children.
	So I'm not I'm not trying to derail your segment here but I just can't get over the fact that for the last month we've been seeing people going to jail for years over and it was things like a facebook post it was things like one woman threw the contents of her drink glass towards it didn't even touch the police officers she just threw it in the general direction of the police officers she went to jail for like over well over a year a guy shouted at a police dog and got two years Yes.
	And this guy, not a single day.
	So I'll stop derailing now.
	I just had to get that off my chest.
	Right, so this becomes very worrying because we will see how he got caught.
	And I didn't think that I was going to be more angry at this.
	But turns out I was considerably more because it's harrowing because Hugh Edwards isn't the only one who got away with it.
	It's the distributor who got away with it as well.
	They say here that a convicted pedophile was paid hundreds of pounds by Hugh Edwards to send evil child abuse images, spending his cash to see him through university.
	And they have here Alex Williams, 25 year old, ...shared 41 indecent images with Edwards in an abhorrent WhatsApp call.
	Among the sickening trove of abusive pictures shared by the sex offender were two showing a boy as young as seven.
	Edwards was snared by chance by police in Wales who were investigating Williams and stumbled upon his messages sent to the famed newsreader.
	So essentially, they found Alex Williams, they were checking his phone, and they saw that he had correspondence with Hugh Edwards.
	And that's how they found Hugh Edwards.
	And they say that the 25-year-old, the Sun reported that the 25-year-old also distributed horrific photographs to four other men, one of which showed a one-year-old being sexually abused.
	No child abuse pictures were found on the former BBC News presenter's phone, as it says here.
	I must say that all these articles, they're sometimes very contradictory, because they cannot say on the one hand that no such thing has been found on Hugh Edwards' possession, but on the other hand saying that he pleaded guilty to having images of sexual abuse.
	Maybe they're doing it for not being sued or something.
	I don't know, it's just... Maybe it wasn't on his phone, it was on his computer.
	I mean, God knows.
	Seems like the Welsh paedo community is quite small then.
	If they're... And this man... Well, that's because they've all moved to work at the BBC.
	And Hugh Edwards did grow up in South Wales, and as you will see in the court document, the psychoanalytic evaluator of his personality said that he grew up in a puritanical South Wales that messed up with his personality.
	No, I'm not buying that.
	Well, it gets much darker here because they're saying that Williams admitted possessing and distributing child sex images and having 58 prohibited computer-generated images of children and the images were slumped by judges evil and Williams received a suspended sentence of 12 months.
	So here we have, yet again, judges saying on the one hand that this is evil and unacceptable, they're virtue signalling, but on the other hand, suspended sentence.
	Do we know the name of the judge?
	I don't think so, no.
	What's the person's name?
	I don't know.
	Judges should be named and shamed when they do this stuff.
	I suppose they'd make the argument that they're following the sentencing guidelines, but in which case the sentencing guidelines are wrong.
	Both things.
	It's obviously at the judge's discretion to some degree, though, isn't it?
	Well, I think Stelios is going to come on to that.
	Yes, I mean, essentially, it's the issue that we have laws and people who are adjudicating cases.
	So these people are meant to interpret the law and apply it.
	So it could go wrong in any way.
	But also, we could have silly laws.
	It doesn't mean that just because something is a law, it's the good thing.
	So here it gets even darker.
	They're saying that they found a conversation between the two of them, and this conversation lasted between December 2020 and August 2021.
	Alex Williams says here something like, I have a file of vids and pics for you of someone special.
	Want me to send you the file?
	Says yes.
	Triple X.
	and says Williams contacts Edwards and says he has some naughty images.
	Go on, young, go on.
	Williams says the individual in the image looks quite young and he says ages can be deceptive.
	Williams suggests then that some of the images may be illegal and then Hugh Edwards responds, okay, don't.
	But it seems to me that if you have, on the one hand, 41 images of this nature, and you make things like that, then it seems to me that it's just acting in advance to have a sort of alibi.
	You cannot just say, no, don't send me illegal pictures, but then receive 41 illegal pictures.
	That just looks like caution rather than... Yes.
	One of the things that is particularly galling about this, other than obviously the sentence, and the crime itself of course, is the hypocrisy because Hugh Edwards, if there's any Americans out there or foreign people who never watch the BBC, he will have sat there for years pouring school on other people that got caught for stuff.
	Yeah.
	Undoubtedly.
	Yeah.
	Point of school on people like Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein or whoever.
	Yeah, fair point.
	Sitting there.
	They've been convicted of sex crimes.
	Yeah.
	Dirty fucking pedo piece of shit.
	And they're saying here, the court also heard that the presenter had told Williams via message that ages can be deceptive, as we showed, when informed that one of the subjects in an image was quite young looking, before asking if he had any more.
	So it's just absolute, absolutely violent sickening.
	Here, as we are going to show you, he got found guilty and he pleaded guilty in having seven category A photos, 12 category B and 22 category C. And category A, as are described here, are possession of images involving penetrative sexual activity, possession of images involving sexual activity with an animal or sadism.
	Category B is just possession of images involving non-penetrative sexual activity.
	Category C is possession of other indecent images not falling within categories A or B. And we need to remind people that this is about children.
	It's not someone send him a photo with a breast of, you know, a 30-year-old model.
	It's not that.
	It's underage children pictures.
	Is there anyone at the BBC that isn't a goddamn rongan?
	I don't know.
	God's sake, how many?
	How many?
	Even a driver... Even a driver they had, a chauffeur, was a convicted offender.
	They've literally got the pedo statue outside the front, haven't they?
	Right, we have here the Westminster Magistrates Court sentencing remarks and this is an infuriating document.
	We have here the prosecutor and also the lawyer who is talking about the defendant.
	If you see, this is a 16-page document.
	If you want to talk about two-tier justice, read this document.
	Now I know some people who are saying that this document is mandatory reading and you cannot come in the case without it and this is a threat by the secret barrister here who is arguing at towards the end that it isn't two-tier case but it absolutely is and I'll show you right now why.
	Now if we go here if we scroll down in the facts you will see that Just to pick up on the point that the secret barrister was making there, I understand that almost certainly that it was technically correct given the sentencing guidelines.
	The problem is that our society should not be set up in this way in the first place.
	The sentencing guidelines should not be a situation where you can go to jail for a Facebook post saying that you don't like Keir Starmer, whereas you should go to jail for stuff like this.
	Yes, but I think we could go even one step further and say that even in this case where they're saying that the maximum sentencing for this case is five years, five years and zero still has, so he got the most clement.
	The guidelines is one thing and of course that's perhaps actually the most, the more important thing, the foundation of it is that.
	But he could have, should have, the judge did have it in his discretion to send him down for five years.
	and chose not to so the guidelines are at fault sure the actual law itself but the judge the magistrate yeah and also as I will show you right now there is a I would say very to my mind just disgusting and shameful attempt of the people who are prosecuting him To give the most ridiculously charitable interpretations of what he did.
	And you know where this is evident?
	In the way they interpret the financial transaction between Alex Williams and Hugh Edwards.
	So let me just start with the making allegation and then show you exactly what they said.
	The most ridiculously charitable interpretation?
	I don't know what is.
	So there's they're saying although you accept making images as described in law, you do not accept that you in any way physically made or created any of the images in question.
	At most what you accept you did is to make within quotation mark any image was open the WhatsApp which contained the images.
	I think that's not even well formulated English.
	You say you did nothing more with them.
	I accept that submission.
	There is no evidence of you doing anything further with those images, and I proceed on that basis.
	So, the assumption for sentencing is that they were just sent to him.
	Then, this gets contradicted by what they're saying afterwards.
	Number two, I accept you did not make payments in order to pay for images to be sent, in particular indecent images.
	So, money was sent by Hugh Edwards to Alex Williams, but the person here sentencing says, I accept you did not pay in order to pay for images to be sent.
	Yeah, why then?
	They have an answer why, which is infuriating.
	They're saying the prosecution accept that you were not directly asking for and then paying directly for images, but rather that there is a clear inference from the nature of the relationship coupled with reading the direct messaging that exists that demonstrates Alex Williams to be requesting gifts.
	and presence after he has sent images and you then respond by sending him money.
	I agree with the prosecution analysis.
	This appears to be by way of an apparent thank you.
	You don't thank people who send things to you like that, you go to the police.
	- Yes, good point. - And what would they need anyway?
	Like an actual transaction where he puts a note on the NatWest transaction saying, this is for Hedo images, thank you.
	Yeah.
	Like what is, what, how, how is it not?
	It's a very good point.
	How is it not that?
	And they say here, I accept you told the individual who sent the images not to send images of people who were underage, but only at a later stage, which is not from the beginning.
	This is not a case where despite protestation, nonetheless the images were still sent, so that extent this mitigation is qualified.
	And they are giving him the benefit of the doubt.
	They're giving him the most ridiculously charitable interpretation, which is just...
	It's just a shameful F you to people.
	It's like you're stupid and we're going to say that this is just a thank you gift.
	What's the name of that prosecutor, that barrister?
	I want to know their name and the judge.
	Can you Google it Dan?
	And also they're saying that They are also giving him the benefit of the doubt the way they didn't give to a lot of other people who got sentenced.
	They're saying, I accept that you had issues with your mental health.
	The degree to which you in fact did receive any sexual gratification from the indecent images as opposed to the more general pornography received is difficult to assess and I defer to the medical evidence.
	Where if it's difficult to assess, why are you saying Some sentences before that you're not exactly proven to have these for sexual gratification.
	Just ridiculous.
	Is there a legitimate reason?
	It's infuriating and here we have reports by consultant psychiatrists and neuropsychiatrists and they're saying Mr. Edwards is a complex individual with psychologically challenging upbringing.
	The restrictive puritanical but often hypocritical background of growing up in the particular cultural milieu of South Wales with a father who was highly regarded and lauded outside the family sort of messed him up.
	Yeah, that's exactly what they're saying.
	What nonsense!
	They're saying that he has a proneness to clinical depression.
	Also here they're saying... Your father was highly regarded, therefore it's alright for you to have... But yeah, it was the puritanical milieu of South Wales.
	It's just like a DI activist.
	They don't do these psychological evaluations of everybody else who goes through the court.
	No, they don't, and they are already pronouncing, you're the devil.
	They're giving the worst interpretation they can give.
	They don't even run a trial.
	So with his recent, you know, Keir Starmer stuff, he was saying, you know, you will get the toughest sentences before these people had even had evidence presented at court.
	Yeah.
	He was saying you'd get tough sentences.
	And here, there's another forensic psychosexual therapist saying Mr. Edwards was particularly destabilized through the process of commencing a social media presence which allowed him to interact with people that otherwise he would have never engaged with.
	So he started an account and then He couldn't handle it and he started asking for some little Richard Picks.
	It makes no sense.
	He's a goddamn grown man!
	Take responsibility for your actions, God!
	Yeah, but Beau, I think you're very uncharitable, because he had to manage his low mood.
	He had to manage his low mood.
	I hate this.
	Nearly always, when someone does a terrible crime, they're talked about the difficulty of their childhood.
	Only in the most extreme cases would I ever dream of taking anything like that into account.
	Yeah.
	Only in the most extreme cases.
	There seems to be, from what we just saw there anyway, nothing in Hugh Edward's childhood or background for mitigating circumstances.
	If you grew up like Conan the Barbarian or something, I could understand something like this, but he grew up with a well-regarded father in a middle-class household.
	Yeah, what's that?
	What's that?
	What is that?
	It's nothing.
	And also you need to bear in mind that he didn't study at Oxford or Cambridge.
	He wasn't an Oxbridge person and he felt a bit weird.
	They actually say this.
	They actually say this.
	I saw that line.
	It was something about he didn't get into Cambridge, he had to make do with Cardiff.
	I mean Cardiff is a bit shit, but it still doesn't justify... I tell you, like, because I went to sort of a uni that was just below Oxford and Cambridge, right?
	And I never really thought I would get into... I knew I wasn't going to get A-levels good enough to get into Oxford and Cambridge.
	But I knew quite a lot of people at Sixth Form College that tried really, really hard.
	One or two that got in, most fail.
	And then when I went to uni, there was a few there where it was sort of their second thing.
	I went to King's College London, sort of a tier for doing Classics.
	It's just below Oxford and Cambridge, really.
	And there's a couple of people there where they really hoped to get into Oxford and Cambridge and failed.
	And they had a massive chip on their shoulder about it.
	I was thankful for what I got.
	I never... But there's loads of people that have got a bit of a chip on their shoulder that they just about failed to get into Oxford or Cambridge.
	That doesn't mean anything!
	That doesn't mean you can then do all sorts of weirdo crimes.
	Sex crimes.
	Like what?
	What?
	Okay, here we have it.
	They're saying that he developed a sort of cognitive dissonance and low self-esteem, compounded by a sense of being inferior, by not getting into Oxford and going to Cambridge instead, and being therefore sometimes of an outsider at the BBC.
	Being the most well-paid Well, he's getting close to 470k a year.
	Imagine what a tragedy!
	And being a pedo, therefore he clearly wasn't an outsider at the BBC.
	He was part of the core group.
	On the inside, yeah.
	We have here the mitigating factors that they appealed and they say, well, you have no prior convictions, you show remorse, you have positive character in the past, and you have mental disorder.
	And they're saying that Mr. Edwards would appear to have voluntarily desisted or at least asked not to be sent underage images at points in time during this threat.
	Consistent.
	I don't understand this.
	They're essentially saying he runs risk if he goes to jail.
	He's in a very fragile condition if he leaves the bubble he's in.
	So we are going to take that into account.
	They didn't take the psychological detrimental effect.
	All the victims in the images?
	No.
	I mean, I wouldn't call it pornography.
	I saw a thing on Twitter where someone on BBC called it pornography.
	That's not really the right word, is it?
	It's not really the right word.
	It's like evil is a better word for what it is.
	We need to remember that whenever we're talking about things like that, we are talking about children who are essentially scarred for life.
	Yeah, their life is sort of ruined in all sorts of ways.
	Anyway, there are massive protests outside the BBC.
	We have people saying here, BBC, repent, you have BBC Savile Syndrome.
	They're saying the BBC has abused children and that's what the protesters are saying for over hundreds, for over, you know, many years.
	And they're talking about a lot of allegations.
	And they're saying here, for instance, 145 allegations of child sexual abuse since Jimmy Savile in 2013.
	What?
	So at what point can you describe the BBC as a pedo ring?
	145 since 2013?
	That's exactly the question that people should be asked.
	How many people have to be convicted of these and have to be accused of these crimes in order to say that there's something going seriously wrong?
	I mean there was another one.
	I kind of even hesitate to bring it up.
	I hate thinking about this stuff.
	But there was another BBC guy who... Stuart Hall?
	The dogs guy.
	There's so many.
	There's two different ones.
	But yeah, the dog's dude.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	So that's a different... So, okay.
	Well, there's another two.
	We'd be here all day if we list them all.
	We have here people being just incredibly infuriated by what is going on.
	We can't show all of what is being said because it's just endless.
	Everyone is saying things.
	They're saying, you know, he got a mental health as though they were concerned for his safety.
	So they were concerned for his safety.
	They deliberately said he is in a fragile condition.
	If he goes to jail, He most likely won't make it.
	But they never said this about the people that they incarcerated now.
	And some of them haven't made it.
	Yes.
	Like the guy who left a bacon sandwich near a mosque.
	He got killed in jail.
	Yeah.
	Nobody cared.
	Nobody cared.
	So they gave him the benefit of the doubt and they gave him the most ridiculously charitable interpretation of his heinous actions and then, you know, you have people saying that this is not two-tiered justice.
	It absolutely is.
	The prosecutor is called Philip Evans and the judge is called Paul Goldspring.
	Anyway, we had a lot of people like Owen Jones who had tried to speak in favor of Hugh Edwards.
	This is a tweet from Owen Jones that says, last year, the sun is a disgusting rag and they have to pay for what they've done to Hugh Edwards.
	They try to destroy someone's life with false claims of illegality involving a minor.
	How do you know?
	How do you know?
	What's the source?
	I mean, just because you're a ridiculous woke activist doesn't mean that you know everything.
	You're not omniscient.
	He says, we know now there was no criminality and the Sun have driven a vulnerable man into medical care.
	And Carl has a brilliant response.
	Damn that age poorly.
	That's a classic line.
	That's exactly perfect.
	I was thinking something like that and Kyle said it.
	I'm giving him a like.
	Right.
	And we have here George Monbiot saying, so Hugh Edwards gets a suspended sentence for buying and making pornographic images of children while peaceful environmental defenders seeking to prevent social catastrophe get three, four to five years.
	Some justice is this.
	I'm showing this not to say George Monbiot is correct about the general way of looking at things, but to show you how this case has infuriated people both left and right.
	Just quickly to say that George Monbiot, or however you pronounce it, is one of the worst people.
	He's the worst.
	He's the absolute pits of a human being.
	We have here James McMurdock saying this is what a system no longer fit for purpose looks like and obviously that's the case.
	Keyboard warrior jailed for part in UK disorder and Hugh Edwards contributing to a sick market which takes advantage of children getting away without even a day in prison.
	And I think that Nigel Farage is correct on this because it's ultimately an issue of delegitimization of institutions as well as crime against children.
	Because a lot of people who are trying to defend Hugh Edwards, and they rush to defend him, and they are, in a sense, the pro-establishment voices, they don't stop to think that when it comes to justice, when it comes to the government, when it comes to the state, people need to have a sort of legit... there needs to be legitimacy.
	In order to have a well-functioning society, the public at large must have a sort of trust to those institutions.
	When we see glaring examples of injustice like that, it's just ridiculous.
	How can you expect people to think institutions are legitimized?
	So when pedophiles get away with it, yes, people are angry and the institutions get more and more legitimized and society goes down on a fast decline.
	I wonder if we could get the Honourable Paul Goldspring.
	I wonder if anyone will ever ask him, like, why didn't you get, why was that a suspended sentence?
	Why?
	Why?
	We have some rum.
	And here we need to remind you that we have the Islander magazine issue two coming out.
	If you want to support us to keep speaking common sense, definitely check this and check our website.
	We have lovely Islander merch.
	And the first one was a huge success.
	The second one is going to be even more so.
	Thank you very much.
	Well, that was a bit depressing, wasn't it?
	Let's try and cheer ourselves up a bit before changing the tone and doing something cheerful.
	Yes, but we have the ramble chat.
	We have the last Russian saying, throwing a dollar at Beau for being based with expressing the rightful rage the audience has right now.
	No other words for it.
	And it's two dollars, actually.
	Samson talked about the Keith Kaiser and Threadnought.
	The consequences of my actions are damaging to my mental health.
	Government supported nonce.
	Also, Owen Jones is never going to retract that statement.
	Absolutely.
	Right, I hope we go for more... Yeah, we're trying to sing a bit more cheerful, shall we?
	Yeah, yeah, I'll do it a bit into the segment.
	It's a bit weird if I do it right at the beginning of the segment.
	So bring up the presentation, I'll hop back to it.
	Right.
	Okay, so last week, Bo, you did a bit on colonising Mars.
	Or just... Going to Mars at all.
	Yeah, we're going to Mars.
	Now, during that...
	I kind of chipped in at the end that I thought Venus was a better option.
	And you made that face.
	Next one.
	There we go.
	You made that face at the mere suggestion that Venus is by far the superior option.
	And in this segment I'm going to explain to everyone why it is just manifestly a better option than going to Mars.
	Venus is a hell planet though.
	Yes.
	It's just the time frames involved.
	Give me 15 minutes and I will convince you.
	Before I go to that, we are hiring at the moment.
	We are looking for somebody to come and join the team.
	So if you would like to come and work with us...
	Which is unfortunately in Swindon, then you can do so.
	Right, back to the presentation.
	Let's go down to the point that Beau was making about, you know, there we go.
	Yeah, next one down.
	This is just hilarious.
	There we go.
	So this is why Venus is a tiny bit unpleasant.
	So the temperature on the surface of it is about 500 degrees.
	So it's way hotter than an oven?
	Oh, considerably hotter than... In fact, isn't it the point that if you put a nuclear submarine on the surface of Venus, it would melt?
	But have you considered one good thing?
	What?
	You don't need so much time to spend in the kitchen.
	Well, there is that, yes.
	There is that.
	Also, crushing pressure atmosphere.
	So it's the equivalent, standing on the surface of Venus, is the equivalent to being 3,000 feet underwater.
	So with our nuclear submarine, that is, I mean, if it's a modern one, it's right at the top end of its range of its crush depth.
	But if you were to take, you know, a World War II submarine, it would just be crushed.
	If you took a human, you would end up as a tiny cinder.
	Well, you immediately turn into a small blackened cinder.
	Well, there's multiple things that will kill you.
	The temperature will kill you.
	The pressure will kill you.
	The toxic atmosphere, so it's mainly carbon dioxide, but there's still lots of sulfuric acid, so you would dissolve.
	And it rains sulfuric acid.
	Yes.
	Very, very strong sulfuric acid.
	Yes.
	Well, not just that.
	I mean, another small factor.
	I feel silly throwing this one in, but the day on Venus is longer than its year, because it rotates so slowly.
	No water.
	Oh, volcanoes, that's another good one.
	In fact, it's linked to the last point.
	There's no tectonic plates on Venus, so instead all that pressure is just released through volcanoes.
	So it's constantly raining molten metal.
	So basically what I'm getting at is not the sort of place you want to take the dog for a walk.
	The scariest environment imaginable, that's what we're saying.
	But what if you show grace under pressure?
	It doesn't matter that, you know, it's so much... You'd have to have a lot of grace.
	It's not for everyone.
	And also you can have your... It's not for everyone.
	You're a contra-volcanic umbrella.
	Well, the only upside is there is lots and lots of lightning there as well.
	So, at least, if you did take the dog for a walk on Venus, while you're being crushed, cooked, dissolved, and having molten metal splashed on you, you would be able to watch the pretty lightning storms on your way out.
	So, so, anyway, so, yes, I can see why you made the sceptical face.
	However, next slide.
	Here we go.
	Geoffrey A. Landis of NASA's Research Center points out, quite correctly, that however viewed in a different way, the problem with Venus is merely that the ground level is too far below the one atmospheric level.
	At cloud top level, Venus is in fact a paradise planet.
	And this is the point.
	This is the false assumption that everybody makes with Venus.
	They always assume you have to go down to the surface.
	And you don't.
	You simply don't need to.
	But those clouds aren't water vapour.
	They're not our clouds.
	It's not like that image.
	They're clouds of acid.
	No, no, it's mainly carbon dioxide.
	There is a little bit of acid there, but that's not as much as I probably think, especially at the cloud top level.
	And actually, that acid being there is a good thing, right?
	Because it's sulphuric acid.
	Okay, so you can crack sulphuric acid into water and sulphur trioxide.
	If you've got water, Well obviously that's useful because you can drink it but you can crack that further into oxygen which you can breathe and hydrogen which you can use as rocket fuel so it gives you everything that you want and the thing about the floating around is you don't even need to get that clever with it because carbon dioxide has a molecular weight of 44
	Whereas a oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere that we're breathing now has a molecular weight in the like high 20s, so you can just have a big dome with a normal atmosphere inside it at standard pressure and the bloody thing floats about 30 miles up, 50 kilometers up.
	Aren't you failing to take into account the gravity of Venus?
	It's slightly lower than Earth.
	Yeah, it's very similar to Earth.
	So there's still gravity, it's still pulling you down.
	Yes, but a normal oxygen-nitrogen container on Venus has the same lifting power as about 60% of helium does on Earth.
	Because the molecular weight of carbon dioxide is that much higher than an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere.
	I think you're selling it to me.
	Yes.
	I would like to go there.
	I would love to go.
	I'm not saying it's impossible.
	I'm not saying that.
	Oh, it's more than possible.
	In fact, let's go to the video.
	I'm just saying the engineering involved... No, it's not that difficult.
	A normal blimp filled with air, in fact you could even use hydrogen on Venus, because the reason you don't use hydrogen on Earth, I mean you all know this, you don't use hydrogen in blimps because of, what was that?
	The Hindenburg.
	Yeah, it all blew up.
	But because it's not an oxygen atmosphere, you can use hydrogen as a lifting gas if you want a ridiculous amount of lift for whatever reason.
	Say you wanted to make your floating city, you wanted to put a lot of stuff in it, you could still use hydrogen and it wouldn't be explosive.
	It does need to be corrosive proof and even at higher altitude it will still be very hot.
	No, no.
	It's like, what, over 400 degrees at the surface but even high up it's... Venus is much closer to the sun, of course, with a runaway... 31 miles up, which is the Goldilocks zone, it's equivalent to being on a very warm place on this planet.
	It'd be like the equivalent of being in Nevada or something.
	Sounds heavenly.
	Heaven is a place like Venus.
	Can we play the video, Samson?
	There's a video in the document put together by NASA.
	No, the link.
	Yeah, there we go.
	No, no, no, not that one.
	Not that one.
	Go back.
	The way to explore Venus, but it's supposed to be timestamped.
	So go about two thirds of the way along.
	All right.
	There we go.
	Yeah, start from there or something.
	Right, this is a NASA video where they talk about their supposed plans for going there.
	See, it's just lots of floating around.
	They're going to do a little bit of getting there.
	Boring.
	You know, there's that runaway greenhouse effect on Venus.
	It's like there's 100% cloud cover.
	Yeah.
	100% on Venus.
	With those sulphurous yellow clouds.
	It will not look white and blue.
	Like that.
	I don't care what altitude you're at.
	No, no.
	Go forward.
	Are you gonna have the thing where I can sleep inside and wake up?
	Go to that lump at the end, Samson.
	Go to the lump at the end.
	There we go.
	Right, go there.
	Right, there you go.
	That's what it's like.
	You've got your floating... You're a little floating city.
	Well, you don't believe NASA now.
	I don't believe that artist's impression.
	No.
	Let me get it straight.
	You're essentially saying we want a Zeppelin to fly from Earth to Venus and people live within the Zeppelin.
	You wouldn't fly from Earth to Venus on the Zeppelin, but you'd live in some sort of cloud city when you got there.
	Anyway, let's go down on the presentation now to the next one.
	So I want to do a comparison.
	Between Incel Mars and Chad Venus.
	So, right, Mars on the left-hand side.
	First of all, you get space cancer.
	Well... I mean, that's quite a big... Unless you guard against it in all sorts of ways.
	Yeah, but... Yeah, by not going outside.
	Whereas on Venus, the atmosphere, even at 30 miles up, there's still enough atmosphere above you to give you a cancer shield.
	Right.
	So have you had very annoying astronauts with you?
	No, all the based people would go to Venus.
	Not going outside on Mars, but there's open-air observation decks on your floating Venus platform.
	Yes, yes.
	I'm coming to all this.
	So first of all, Mars you get space cancer, Venus you don't.
	Mars, explosive decompression.
	So you get a screwdriver-sized hole in your habitat in Mars, and you know what you say?
	Well, you don't say anything because you've just died.
	Mars is just for Karens who want to decompress.
	Yes.
	On Venus, right, you know I talked about having those big domes, those zeppelins?
	Because it's all at one standard earth pressure, 30 miles up, if you get a screwdriver-sized hole in your zeppelin or your balloon supports for your city, you know what you do?
	You go, oh, I'll add that to the work maintenance for tomorrow.
	And somebody just goes... Because it's the same pressure inside and outside, it's just a different composite, You just get the normal gaseous exchange.
	It's only the completely poisonous sulfurous air that comes in and sulfuric acid.
	Only that.
	That only comes in periodically.
	I will come to that point, don't you worry.
	Right, third point.
	Solar panels on Mars operate at 40 percent.
	Solar panels on Venus operate at 200 percent.
	No they don't because there's pure cloud cover even 30 miles up.
	No wait, even 30 miles up, you're not above the atmosphere though.
	You're still within a cloud cover.
	No, I took that into account.
	I took it into account.
	It's 200... You're like Trump who is constantly getting fact-checked.
	Yes, but wrongly!
	At 31 miles up, they operate at 200% capacity.
	If you actually stuck them out in bloody space or something, you'd be way beyond that.
	Right, okay, that's alright.
	Mars, on incel Mars, you need bulky suits outside.
	And in Venus, you just need a Hawaiian shirt.
	That's sulphuric acid proof.
	Oh for God's sake!
	It doesn't rain every day!
	It's a lot though.
	I mean, it's the actual atmosphere itself is like viscous.
	It doesn't have to be raining like our rain.
	The atmosphere itself is sulphurous.
	Remember, I keep saying this, 31 miles up, where the atmospheric density is the same as Earth.
	Right.
	And rain at that point is much, much less frequent.
	You're talking about lower down.
	So you're on Mars, you've got your bulky suit and I've got my Hawaiian shirt.
	Dust storms.
	So even though you've only got solar panels at 40%, you've got dust storms that block out your sunlight and I've got reliable energy generation.
	Right.
	Incel Mars, gravity at 38%, so you're going to be there getting all your muscle atrophy and your bone atrophy, and I'm going to be like on 90% gravity.
	I'm going to be fine.
	I'm going to be buff.
	Right.
	Next point, water.
	Now both of these, extracting water is a bit energy intensive, but you've got to do it from ice, which you've got to find.
	And then you've got to crack it, but you haven't got much energy because your solar panels are running low and you've got your dust storms.
	Whereas on Chad Venus, I can just extract water from the sulfuric acid, like I say, water and sulfur trioxide, which is energy intensive, but I've got loads of energy, so I'm fine.
	Last point, in order to get to Mars, it's an eight month trip every two years, whereas getting to Venus is a four month trip and you can do it every 1.5 years.
	That's excellent.
	That's a very good argument.
	Yes.
	You talk about chads and incels, I mean, famously Mars is a masculine thing and Venus is a womanly thing.
	The women are hot.
	This is how it has been presented by the racist scientific community.
	Next slide.
	So I've done an artist impression of Bo and Dan going off on their colony missions.
	Now, on the left, right, you're on mars and you can't see it because they're all wearing bulky suits but they've all got cancer but being a total explorer chad uber chad explorer risking his life life and limb with cancer and you're being a complete right and that guy that guy is just collapsed in the dirt because he's just had a radio message to hear that his wife and kids have been killed in explosive decompression Right, and now the dust cloud is coming over the top.
	Whereas this guy over here, he's just enjoying cocktails.
	He seems like an adrenaline junkie.
	He seems to me the kind of guy who should be on Mars.
	He looks like a weakling.
	Yeah, he can't, he's not.
	I mean, guy on the left, Mars mission, badass.
	Guy on the right, total weakling.
	He can't even do 20 push-ups.
	This guy over here is on 90% gravity.
	He could spank these guys over here on 38% gravity.
	Yeah, but that, I mean, that's rigged.
	You're not rigged, it's the bloody gravity!
	You can't rig the gravity!
	That's fine!
	Right, so, I'll tell you what's going to happen.
	In a few years' time, when we go off on our missions, I'm going to be there, on my cloud city, in Venus, and I'm going to message you.
	I'm going to be on my cloud city, I'm going to walk past the hydroponic bays, I'm going to have my nice grass-fed steak, then I'm going to go and get a lap dance, and I'm going to be sat there with candy on my knee, video chat you, and say, Bo, how you doing, mate?
	You doing alright?
	Yeah, bud.
	And you know what you're going to say when you get the message?
	Well, you're not going to say anything because you've had a dust storm.
	Right?
	And then for a week after that you're going to be cleaning the dust off your solar panels.
	I'll be like, I'm surviving like a badass.
	Dan, there's a form of collegiality and fraternity on Mars that isn't in Venus because this lady there with a nice shape, she's trying to get him killed.
	He's standing there, he's about to fall down.
	Yeah, it's an AI-generated image.
	Yeah, and she wants to give him alcohol so he can lose his balance.
	And he's going to go down to Venus and he's going to be in a much worse state.
	Well, that is true.
	But all sort of banter aside, the engineering side of it, we could get a guy to Mars relatively quickly, or in our lifetime.
	You can get to Venus quicker?
	Well, you have to create a floating city thing though.
	The engineering's not there at the minute.
	It's not that hard, you just need a big balloon thing.
	I mean, we've had zeppelins for over a hundred years.
	And the argument always used to be...
	Well, it's fine, and yes, you can have a floating city on Venus, but what are you going to do when you get there?
	Because if you go and colonize another planet, you want to mine stuff, don't you?
	You want to do something when you're there.
	Play cards.
	Well, you can do that, but you want to do a bit of mining, so you do want a bit of surface interaction.
	But again, on Venus, it's fine, because it looks like it won't be long before we can have autonomous AI-controlled robots.
	So you can go down to the surface to mine.
	You wouldn't send a human, you'd just send machines.
	And it doesn't need to be cool enough for a human it just needs to be cool enough for a machine.
	Now the surface temperature is still too high but you just create a um you know a ceramic composite dome and then you use um cooling systems like the same sort of cooling systems we have on earth.
	So I'm sure everybody's perfectly well aware of how a fridge works but you've got the evaporator inside absorbing the heat you've got a um a fluid that runs through it that goes to a compressor that takes the amount of heat and basically scales it up so you've got a large amount of heat
	And then you take it to a condenser or radiator on the outside and as long as your refrigerant fluid is hotter than the outside, and you could get this fluid up to like, I don't know, a thousand degrees or more, take it to the outside of the surface of Venus and it's still hotter than the surface and then it cools and you repeat the cycle.
	The only difference is that on Venus you wouldn't use like CFCs or whatever they use, hydrofluorine, whatever, That you use down here on Earth.
	You would use, I don't know, silicon oils or you'd use liquid metals like sodium or potassium and stuff.
	But you could ship a lot of heat out and make it cool enough under that dome for machines to work.
	Right, so they do all the work.
	Chad dude up here on the city, he basically is like an overseer.
	He just like, you know, checks in with them every now and again.
	and every time they make a new bucking bronco machine or whatever it is they're making down there you attach it to a balloon up it floats you lean over the side of your balcony with a hook get your new bucking bronco machine right whilst in reality they've sent quite a few landers to venus and like one has one survived for a couple of minutes yes because you're Yes because you're going down to the surface.
	I know, I get it.
	Again the reality is technically, again the engineering side of it, you keep brushing it off but It would require a lot of zeppelin.
	Getting that to Venus.
	You're saying we'll just get a zeppelin to Venus?
	We'll try getting a bloody dome to Mars.
	I mean, it's the same level of difficulty.
	Anyway, next slide, because I've got loads more.
	Right, so this is when I started to get a bit clever.
	I thought, ooh, what if we really did want to live on the surface, right?
	And this is what I touched on last time.
	So these are my maths, just in case you want to check.
	Because basically, the weekend, the wife and kids went off to a birthday party, so I had a bit of time to myself.
	So I got into the maths of it.
	Right, next slide, because I'll just bottom line this.
	Were you wearing a white robe from a laboratory or something?
	Well, no, I hadn't been to my clan's meeting or anything.
	Right, so full terraforming option within 100 years, right?
	So you've got to convert that CO2 by adding hydrogen.
	How much hydrogen do you need to add?
	Well, it's a fair bit, it's 84 quintillion kilograms.
	And then I thought, okay, well how much, how are you going to do that?
	Let's assume you can do a shipment of a thousand tons of hydrogen at a time using a remote AI-controlled drone ship, right?
	With me so far?
	I mean, none of this is... I mean, that's a massive assumption, but go ahead.
	Well, I mean, this bit is in the future.
	I mean, the cloud cities, you could probably do that in the next hundred years, but this one is a little bit in the future, right?
	You could make two and a half trips to Jupiter and Venus and back.
	So how many AI-controlled drone ships do you need?
	Well, you need 336 billion of them.
	I will admit that's a big number.
	Would that require more material than the Earth has got?
	No, I got there, right?
	You might think that's a big number, but as long as your AI drone ship thing has in-situ manufacturing, so basically 3D printing and a more advanced form of that, then it can replicate itself by just going to the asteroid belt where you've got all the materials you need.
	And if it can double itself, and then that generation can double itself, it's only 38 doublings required to get there.
	So if it takes three months, for example, for it to double itself, you can have the whole fleet in nine years.
	And you only need to use 672 trillion tonnes of materials or 0.0224 of the total mass of the asteroid belt.
	and then you can colonize venus you You can collapse that atmosphere down to water.
	Okay.
	Honestly, the maths check out.
	I checked it.
	Okay.
	How are you not amazed at this?
	You could colonise Venus!
	Okay, yeah, but not in our lifetimes.
	Not in our lifetimes, not even close, right?
	I mean, when you represent something as 0.0224% of the entire asteroid belt, I mean, it sounds like a really small amount if you represent it in that, in those numbers, but you're talking about one of the biggest, in fact, you're talking about the biggest engineering project ever undertaken by humanity by some, by orders of magnitude.
	That's what you're talking about.
	We will need to scale up the tech in one or two places.
	Right.
	Next slide.
	And then that is what Venus looks like after you've converted the atmosphere into water.
	We actually know what it will look like.
	Interestingly, that bit on the left looks a bit like Westeros with a bit of extra water and that bit looks like Easteros.
	It looks like a crab upside down.
	Could be that.
	Can we play the second video from the timestamp, hopefully, that I included?
	There we go.
	Yeah, so this is what it would actually look like.
	Because, again, you know, you can look at the topography and you can work this out.
	It's an incredible idea.
	It's just a long time in our future I'm afraid.
	I'm glad you said that actually because that brought me on to my second idea as to why you could do it but actually you wouldn't because let's go back to the presentation because you're right there's a lot of materials used and actually there's a better there's a better source for them so let's go down let's go down you know what an O'Neill cylinder is?
	Uh, yeah, it's like, um, Rendezvous with Rama.
	There's that great thing, Rendezvous with Rama.
	Have you ever... Arthur C. Clarke?
	It's one of those.
	I've made that one.
	Yeah, it's one of those.
	It's basically a big rotating habitat.
	Yeah.
	And the reason why these are going to be the future of the humanity is because if you think about it, a sphere, like a planet, is the lowest possible amount of surface area for a given quantity of mass.
	Whereas a cylinder is very close to the opposite of that, the greatest possible amount of surface area for the for the minimum possible amount of mass.
	So then I thought, OK, what happens if instead of using all that material to crack the atmosphere on Venus, we used it to make O'Neill cylinders, right?
	That's in the end of the interstellar.
	That's where I think he's found in a cylinder or something.
	Okay.
	I think both we need to meet halfway because Bo says all this is noble.
	I think it is, but it's not in a lifetime, but I think you could do another segment telling us about the elixir of youth because I want to experience this.
	I've got, I've got a little bit more on this, right?
	Because these are, these cylinders, they're about three and a half times the size of Swindon.
	You could get three and a half Swindons into these things.
	Yeah, but they have to be more aesthetic, because otherwise I'm just jumping the void.
	Well, you can style them however you like.
	There's a brilliant novel called Rendezvous with Rama by R.C.
	Clarke, where one flies close to Earth and some humans go on an alien one.
	Yeah.
	But my point is you were correct.
	Let's go to the next slide.
	You are correct that for the amount of effort that you need to put into collapsing the atmosphere on Venus... Can we go to the next slide?
	Is he still there?
	There we go.
	So if you use that amount of materials to make cylinders you get 67 million of those cylinders providing 117 times more the amount of habitable space and you provide enough living space for 84 trillion people.
	Right.
	What's the end game of that?
	What's the aim of that, again?
	Well... To go to explore the galaxies, I think.
	No, that's... Well, they can do whatever they want.
	I mean, they can... That's just living space.
	Just chilling.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Next slide.
	Right, then I went full retard.
	Right?
	Next slide.
	Never go full retard.
	Never.
	So on this one, I decided, okay, why don't we just scale up?
	Why don't we just take all of the mass of the entire solar system and convert it into space habitats?
	I've decided to leave out the Earth for sentimental reasons.
	And also the Sun and the gas giants, but everything else we convert.
	And I've only assumed that 0.68% of it is usable.
	It took me a while to get that number.
	You can then create 6 trillion O'Neill cylinders, which is 10 million times the surface area of the Earth.
	So I guess the broad point I'm making is when you watch sci-fi stuff, They always make, I think, some false assumptions.
	They always assume that you can travel faster than light and go to other systems.
	You probably can't.
	We're probably going to be trapped in this solar system forever.
	But actually, the amount of population that this solar system could support is vast.
	Absolutely vast.
	Right.
	In fact, it comes out as 7.5 quintillion people.
	And I'll just round this off.
	You go to the next one.
	The implications of 75 quintillion people.
	And this is probably a few thousand years down the line.
	I'll grant you that.
	If you had a population of 7.5 quintillion people, you would have at any one time about 230 trillion people with an IQ over 160.
	And even if you assume that somebody like Elon Musk is once a generation on earth, you'd have a billion of them at a time in this scenario.
	Imagine the GDP with 7.5 quintillion people.
	Well, that was gonna be my closing point, you see, because, right, let's say you have a niche band on Earth that sells 500 albums.
	That's quite a small band, isn't it?
	It's quite niche.
	But if you scale it up to this level, you would sell 500 billion albums and make 9 trillion.
	This, I think, is the future of humanity.
	It's space habitats, it's, in the meantime, We go via Cloud Cities on- Chad Cloud Cities on Venus, not Incel Colonies on Mars, where you get space cancer.
	But anyway, that's the vision for the far humanity of- So have I convinced you, Bo?
	Uh, given a big enough time frame, I'm sure we could get to Venus.
	But in the short term, Venus is better, eh?
	Uh, in the short term?
	Yes.
	Well, what do you reckon, Stelios?
	Where do you wanna go?
	Do you wanna go to Chad Venus, or- Keeps representing it as an earth skyscape with white clouds and a blue sky.
	It's just, that's not what it is.
	It's just not what it is.
	Where can I have the best fun?
	The most fun?
	Venus.
	Even if you're 31 miles up, you're still underneath a cloud cover.
	There'd still be cloud cover above you.
	That's why you didn't get cancer.
	You'd look out and you wouldn't see like nice white clouds.
	It would just be like a yellowy fog.
	Right.
	Which is much nicer than dust storms on Mars.
	Some vistas on Mars are breathtaking.
	The chat says, why don't we go to both?
	If you can terraform Venus then maybe we can terraform Mars.
	If you've got the ability to make trillions of O'Neill cylinders can't we get Mars spinning?
	Well yeah so this is the point thing is you can terraform just about anything but the energy required to do so you're just better off building space habitats because you can have way way more of them.
	It's better.
	I feel like we can get beyond the solar system, even if it is only to the closest stars.
	We could get to Alpha Centauri eventually.
	So, I could do another segment at some point on how you colonise the galaxy, but it's not how you think it is.
	It's not colony ships.
	With probes.
	Unmanned probes.
	Hang on, I've got to read these rumble chats.
	Right.
	That's a random name.
	It says, also, once we get to the tech to mine asteroids, we'd be able to build a bunch of those ring-shaped stations, yeah, orbitals, through the solar system to act as pit stops between planets.
	Mars still sucks, though.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Mars is a bad option.
	The last Russian says, Stelios is right.
	This is the end of Interstellar.
	Love that film, by the way.
	Go watch it, guys.
	My favorite film tied with V for Vendetta.
	Yes, very good.
	Threadnaught.
	Dan is promoting the grey goo.
	Nanobots will dismantle the entire universe.
	That is a possible downside, I will give you that.
	That's a random name says.
	Mars is also a long way away.
	Venus is closer.
	We can go to Venus twice a year.
	The logistics are better.
	Yes, correct.
	Dan talks about Venus as being a paradise by 2022, like the Indians talk about India being a superpower by 2030.
	Possibly.
	That's a random name.
	It says, the rains on Venus aren't even an issue since we can have those mobile floating cities which will just avoid the storms.
	Also, they can use nuclear reactors and thermal energies and power themselves.
	Venus for the win.
	The chat is all over the Venus thing.
	It's like death standing.
	Don't go outside when it rains but you'll be fine when it's dry.
	Well, my wife acts like it's acid rain.
	On this planet, she starts flapping around and runs inside and stuff.
	So, I mean, it'd just be, for me, it would just be the same.
	Um, Beau, breathing acid is going to take some getting used to for sure, but you're British, you've faced hotter fires than a thousand degree atmosphere for some time.
	Yes.
	Well, especially if you watch the news.
	And then finally, Dan's talking about space exploration.
	Where's Callum where you need him?
	Yes.
	Well, I mean, he, he, he, he, he does believe NASA a bit too much, I think.
	But, uh, but, uh, yeah.
	And somebody says a terraforming is more fun though.
	There is the sort of very selfish, sort of self-involved view that I want to see it myself.
	You know, I think one of the most gutting things about looking into the future, the deep future, is that you never get to see it.
	Right.
	I'd love to see floating cities on Venus, but I'm not going to get to actually see it.
	So basic floating cities are achievable in our lifetimes.
	It's just a zeppelin.
	OK.
	OK.
	We can do it.
	All right.
	Can you scroll down on the document so I can see my bit?
	OK.
	So from Dan's wildly unfeasible mission to Venus, coming back to... Which is totally going to happen.
	Coming back to reality.
	Oh, there goes gravity.
	We're going to talk about an actual possible mission in the very near future.
	And I will show you my workings, by the way, if you challenge... To one of the moons of Jupiter, Europa.
	Now this is all bound up in the search for life, because that's one of humanity's biggest chips on our shoulder really, isn't it?
	The constant search for life.
	One of the big things about various space telescopes we put up is a search for life.
	Even the James Webb Space Telescope, one of the instruments on that is to try and find signatures in exoplanets, see if there's life and whenever we go when it looks like the moon is truly sterile but you never know but going to going to other planets on mars they keep constantly trying to search i think eventually we will find either microbial life or evidence of ancient microbial life on mars i think we probably will but what about actual living things well as far as i'm aware there's two good candidates
	titan and europa uh enceladus in europa uh titan well maybe maybe on titan probably titan there could be uh what is it methane yeah there's large single-celled organisms yeah there's lakes or oceans of methane yeah yeah yeah so a couple of good spots are enceladus which is a moon of saturn and And Europa, which is a moon of Jupiter.
	And I'm particularly interested in Europa, personally.
	So we've actually gone out to the gas giants only a few times, ever.
	A couple of voyages, there's a Galileo mission, the Cassini-Huygens mission not too long ago, sort of left in the very late 90s and got out there in the early 2000s.
	Yeah, we've been a bit far.
	So we've only flown past Jupiter and Uranus A couple of times, ever.
	Neptune, I think, once, ever.
	Anyway, we still know very little, really, about the outermost planets.
	You know, there was New Horizons that flew by Pluto not too long ago, and we've got some very good images of that, but we still don't know as much as perhaps some people might think about the outer planets.
	Anyway, The idea of finding actual life, perhaps even bigger than microbial life.
	It looks like Anceladus or Europa are going to be our best bets.
	Because you say Titan, we did land, there was a landing on Titan, if you can play that Cassini-Huygens link.
	We sent a mission out, the Cassini mission.
	There you go, if you play that.
	This is actual footage from the Huygens lander.
	You don't need the audio.
	That's the surface of Titan.
	One of the bigger moons of Saturn.
	And Titan is kind of cool because the atmosphere is thick enough and the gravity is low enough that you could equip yourself with a pair of wings and literally fly.
	Because of the combination of the thick atmosphere and low gravity.
	Isn't that remarkable though, that that's the actual footage of one of the moons of Saturn?
	It's also the only other place in the solar system where you could have a barbecue.
	Yeah, it's a terribly inhospitable place.
	You wouldn't want to be out there.
	That's the shadow of the drogue, the massive parachute that helped it land.
	That's that.
	So it's actual real footage.
	Incredible, really.
	I think that's one of the most incredible things, among the most incredible things humanity's ever achieved, is that Huygens lander.
	But most people don't know much about it.
	It was like 2005, I think it was, so quite a while ago now.
	But when Cassini flew in the Saturn system, they saw that on Enceladus, Enceladus is like an ice world, or moon.
	I've got a clip or two of images of Enceladus, if you could put those up.
	And you can see on, that's Enceladus, and you can see there's a couple of images where you see those plumes, those ice, they're like cryo volcanoes, not actually volcanoes, but like cryo geysers.
	It's a cold place.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	And what that tells us is that sort of tidal forces inside the moon are sort of stretching and crushing it a bit, keeping the inside of it Warm.
	Warm enough that there's an ocean of water underneath the ice.
	As it's orbiting its main planet, it's getting warped slightly and creating a kneading effect inside that then creates pressure.
	So its orbit is oval-shaped or, erm, erm, yeah, erm, what's the actual proper word for it?
	An ellipsis or something.
	Yeah.
	So, we know that this is sort of underneath the ice on Enceladus.
	It is a dynamic ocean.
	It seems.
	And it could be that there are creatures there, sort of aquatic creatures, under there.
	Well, focused around deep-sea vents.
	Yeah, hydrothermal vents.
	And we have that on Earth.
	We have little pockets of life that only exist around deep-sea vents.
	There's not necessarily any reason why they shouldn't be on Europa as well.
	I've got a link, Samson.
	It's probably one of the YouTube links.
	It shows some hydrothermal vents.
	Yeah, we used to think that things just simply couldn't exist without the Sun.
	uh but um they can on hydrothermal vents if you play that you don't need the audio um because it'll be sort of superheated water yeah and also very very mineral rich extremely mineral rich and so around these hydrothermal vents on earth at the bottom of earth oceans sometimes they're absolutely teeming with life it's not just a bit of bacteria or a bit of algae
	But sometimes there's sort of whole food webs of all different animals, all living around these hydrothermal vents, and they've never seen the sun, they've never had any energy from the sun whatsoever.
	So if that can happen on Earth, It's possible that at the bottom of the oceans on Enceladus, or Europa, that a similar thing happens.
	Because Europa's orbit around Jupiter is even more extreme than Enceladus.
	So it's really sort of crushed and needed.
	So basically a large amount of energy is being put into the sub-ice ocean, meaning you've got a liquid ocean under a sheet of ice.
	So the ice is protecting it from Jupiter's radiation, so it's quite possible that there is a... actual aliens.
	Actual aliens.
	It could be that in the oceans of Anceles and Europa there are sea creatures, whether it's tiny sort of algae things, or whether it's sort of krill, or whether it's big fish jellies, whatever, alien versions, of giant whales!
	Might be things bigger than blue whales.
	Yeah.
	Jar Jar Binks or something.
	I mean it's probably going to be alien krill though, isn't it?
	It might be like tube worms.
	It might be like that.
	It's probably not going to be like the grey alien with the snorkel, which would be cool.
	It's going to be like a crab or something.
	Yeah, it's likely to be something that looks either just like tube worms or something.
	But even if we find merely sort of algae or something, or single-celled organisms.
	That's still life.
	Yeah.
	Well, and one of the reasons it's so wildly significant is because if we can find two independent examples of life in our own solar system, it dramatically changes the calculus of the amount of life that you can expect to find in the galaxy as a whole.
	Yeah, it suggests that the galaxy and universe is full of life.
	Especially if you find it on Enceladus, Titan and Europa.
	If you find it on all three, then almost certainly the entire galaxy is just full of life.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Two can be a coincidence.
	It's a pattern.
	Well, when Cassini flew through, it did a low pass on Enceladus and it flew through the very tops of those plumes and it was able to sort of taste them and test the molecules there and it showed sort of the building blocks of life.
	Hydrocarbons.
	Yeah, yeah, various things.
	So it's absolutely possible.
	So, the idea of actually going, it's actually much harder and much more expensive to go to, to put a lander or a probe on Anceladus than it is to Europa.
	So we're going to go to Europa first?
	I mean it's much closer, Jupiter's much closer than Saturn.
	Are they though?
	Because NASA did fly a mission around, I can't remember whether it was Enceladus or Europa, but they deliberately made sure that there was no risk of the spacecraft landing down.
	And the reason they didn't want to do that is just in case there was any microbes on it, because they didn't want to contaminate the planet, because they had ethical concerns about adding foreign microbes to an alien planet.
	So, if they're going to go to these two planets, they need to get over their concern about possibly adding microbes.
	I don't know, maybe they just scrub the thing really hard.
	I mean, we've put loads of landers on Mars, and they are very careful.
	They try to be as careful as they possibly can with exactly that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But it's hypersensitive on Celidus and Europa.
	Yeah, quite possibly, yeah.
	You know, they're definitely aware of that.
	Yeah, definitely aware of that.
	Am I supposed to show the Islander in the middle of the segment?
	Bye Islander, it's well good.
	Um, okay.
	So, going to Europa.
	If you end up in a dust storm on Mars, you're gonna need something to read.
	Yeah, right.
	Why not Ireland?
	It should be.
	You can buy it.
	LotusEaters.com.
	Yes.
	Okay, on Europa, there's some pictures of Europa, if we put up a couple of pictures of Europa.
	So, oh that's Io, so that's the closest one, that's the closest moon to Jupiter, and I mentioned Venus being some sort of hellscape.
	IO is way worse.
	IO, I actually think it's one of the worst places with solid ground that you could stand on.
	It's one of the most, it's actually like hell, I imagine.
	- Stupid amounts of space cancer.
	- Why is it so bad?
	- Oh yeah, yeah, pure space cancer.
	- Why is it so bad?
	'Cause for me-- - 'Cause it's really close to Jupiter.
	No, but what is it that bad about it?
	Because for me, what Hellhole and Planet is like in the Chronicles of Riddick, where they have the crematorium, you know, with Vin Diesel, who's trying to escape.
	And it was a planet... I never watch Vin Diesel films, sorry.
	I'm not joking.
	I don't know.
	I haven't seen that.
	No, it's just it had 700 degrees.
	You were in them as a stunt double.
	I had to go on a cut before I could play Vin.
	Is it pressure?
	Is it Atma?
	Tons of radiation from Jupiter is the main thing and again it's being stretched and crushed so there's loads of volcanism it's just it's absolutely peppered with volcanoes and yeah the radiation is just off the charts.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But then the next one out is Europa.
	And as I say, it's a very elliptical orbit.
	That's Ganymede.
	Ganymede's the biggest moon.
	That's Ganymede.
	It's very similar to our moon.
	It's bigger even than our moon, Ganymede.
	Anyway, let's skip forward to...
	That's not it.
	No, that's not Ganymede.
	That's the next one out.
	Try the next one.
	There we go.
	That's Europa.
	One of the things about Europa is that, relatively speaking, there's very few craters on it.
	Very, very few.
	Which says, which suggests, along with all the stress fractures of all the ice, says that it sort of remakes its own outer ice crust relatively quickly, in sort of astronomical terms anyway.
	So again, and we've seen little plumes, not as big as the ones on Enceladus, but again they can infer, or they're pretty sure, pretty confident, that there's a dynamic core to it.
	And there's oceans under it.
	And when it's a whole moon, Europa's about the size of our moon, I believe.
	Maybe a touch smaller.
	So, because it's the whole surface, there's more volume of water there than in all of Earth's oceans.
	A lot more.
	A few times more.
	So, in other words, a giant, giant ocean.
	And the ice, they think, is anywhere between 4, 5, 6 kilometres, maybe as much as 18, 20 kilometres thick.
	But then all the way down to a relatively small core is water.
	I mean that's a good thing because it is quite close to Jupiter so you want some protection from the space cancer but under that you've got a liquid ocean.
	Yeah of water though because on other moons and other planets you might have oceans but they might be other things like on Titan there's oceans of methane liquid methane but it's it's H2O there.
	Yeah.
	And one thing we know about life on Earth is that you need water, basically.
	You just always need water.
	So if there's water and there's heat, and hopefully on the European hydrothermal vents there'll also be various minerals that life also requires, but if that is the case, then there could potentially be creatures in those oceans.
	So, What about going there?
	We've flown past it a few times, a few different times, but we're sending another probe.
	It's not a lander, but we're sending one next month.
	Europa Clipper, it's called.
	Is it going to actually touch down?
	No, no, it's not a lander, but it's going to do loads of close flybys, but that's launching next month.
	October.
	October 2024.
	What did it take, like, ten years to get there, then?
	Six, seven years.
	Right.
	Six, seven years, yeah.
	Right.
	We'll have floating cities on Venus by then!
	But then the next thing is, of course, is sending a lander.
	And so that is a bit in the future.
	NASA talks about it and things, but there's no immediate mission.
	We'll need a big drill.
	Yeah, so that's the thing.
	Say we're able to land on it.
	We want to get through the ice, which is miles thick.
	Do you drill down or do you just sort of have some sort of heat thing that just melts its way through?
	So one idea is that you have basically sort of a kind of torpedo thing with like a very small nuclear submarine style nuclear reactor thing and the nose of it gets very very hot and it just melts its way through the ice all the way to the bottom and pops through and then there's like and then you could have a little submersible.
	If you're unwilling to risk microbes ending up on the surface And then you just drop a dirty load of plutonium that melts through the ice and drops in... I mean, that's a bit off, isn't it?
	I'm just going to dump some nuclear waste on you.
	They do it on Mars already, though, don't they?
	Those big... those rovers are... they have got, sort of... Yeah, but what if there really are space whales?
	On Europa.
	And you drop a whole bunch of plutonium waste on their head.
	They're not going to be happy about that, are they?
	Hopefully the eggheads at NASA will factor that in.
	I hope.
	I don't know.
	So one of the last links I've got there is... I'll put it as animation.
	Let's just play this and watch.
	You don't need the audio.
	So yeah, we'll just talk about this while we watch this, because this might be something similar to what we end up doing, and I'm hoping it's in our lifetime.
	I appealed to Elon last week, didn't I, that I want SpaceX to just jump ahead of NASA and just get this done first.
	Mars is all well and good, and I hope that happens in my lifetime.
	I'd love to see a human set foot on Mars.
	No one is just overly focused on Mars.
	Yeah.
	There are better planets.
	But it's possible we could do a mission like this for, you know, a few billion dollars.
	Right.
	So the James Whiff Space Telescope cost in the order of 10 billion dollars, which is a lot.
	But, you know, Twitter cost 44 billion dollars.
	Right.
	So Elon's got over $220 billion.
	So you could do, you could maybe do a mission like this for, I don't know, $5, $10, $20 billion.
	I've got no idea, but you know, it's not going to break the bank.
	of some people and organisations that exist in the world.
	And because the potential payoff is that once the thing gets through to the ocean underneath, that the images it sends back sort of almost immediately confirm aliens.
	Space whales.
	Yeah, space whales.
	Space krill.
	Space jellies.
	So yeah, and this is actually completely plausible.
	We do have all the technology, absolutely all the technology, to do something like this right now.
	How would you send the signals back?
	Would it be like a long cable?
	I think there would have to be some sort of cable to... Then it would refreeze around it, but I suppose as long as the cable was there.
	You can see there's a cable thing there.
	There would have to be some sort of transmitter on the surface.
	But look, this moment, this could be the greatest moment in human civilization, that.
	When it crushes through.
	Possibly.
	I mean, we might get there, might do all this, and it turns out that the ocean is completely sterile.
	There's nothing there.
	Yeah.
	It could be.
	I mean, that's quite a high possibility, actually.
	But the possible rule, and then you've got like a little unmanned submersible thing with cameras on and all sorts of instruments to go and explore.
	But yeah, I just think this fires my imagination more than almost any other potential thing that we'll do in our lifetime.
	Like I said, we might well go to all the moons in our solar system.
	We might, you know, end up with an outpost on Pluto or whole cities on Pluto eventually.
	But not in my lifetime.
	None of us alive.
	No one watching this now will get to see that.
	But this...
	This is actually within the realms of possibility today.
	To sort of engineer this and do this.
	I've heard that it's much more possible that we go to satellites rather than other planets in the solar system, at least in the immediate future.
	Do you think that's...?
	Well, yeah, so you can't... you don't land on Jupiter or Saturn or Uranus or Neptune.
	You don't... No, it's the moons.
	Yeah, you've got to stay away from Uranus.
	Yeah, at all costs.
	So yeah, that's basically it.
	Mission to Europa.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Very good.
	You got comments?
	Yep.
	So, we have Bald Eagle 1787, so we're all in agreement that the first three waves should consist of nothing but useless leftists.
	That way Earth is more tolerable, we have more time to refine space travel and get rid of leeches.
	That's a random name.
	I commend any brave soul willing to embark on such a journey.
	Personally, however, I'm happy cheering them on from the comfort of my earthly hope, like the complacent hobbit that I am.
	Link.
	Right, video comments?
	We have video comments, yep.
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	It's top-tier content.
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	We're better than mainstream media and news.
	Absolutely.
	Thank you.
	And we're up front with our biases.
	You don't get Space Pole Dancing and Space Wales on GB News, do you?
	Yeah.
	ITN don't often talk about terraforming the entire service system.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Hey, congratulations on episode 1,000!
	With both it and my birthday now passed, I suppose the shilling can commence.
	I was planning on making a series of videos explaining all the details of my game, but frankly, that's what the Facebook page is for.
	So, for anyone interested, please check us out at CSQ- pardon, 4th Dimension RPG on Facebook, or scan the QR code on the screen.
	I promise there's a lot more to share than it seems so far.
	Cool.
	Next one?
	Oh.
	That's very wholesome.
	I love dogs so much.
	Same.
	What is that?
	What breed is that?
	I'd like to know.
	So nice.
	I love dogs so much and I hate people that don't like dogs so much.
	Texas Gal always sends us lovely stuff.
	What's the point of cats?
	Let's go to the next one.
	I've got a cat right now.
	A simp cat.
	Let's play this.
	Oh, you could light your fag off on any of those!
	And so this little church next to us, we used to get American ghost hunters coming over because it was down the road from the Borley Rectory and they got, the roads are small country roads, they'd get lost, they'd turn up at our church.
	So we'd quite often get a mysterious car turn up because we were right next to the church.
	My dad would delight in going out and sneaking up on the back of them and just knocking on the window and each time we did it the car would just jump up like that!
	You know, I want them dead.
	I want their families dead.
	Today.
	That sort of thing.
	I want their dogs dead.
	Dead.
	That's what sort of ended up being.
	So Trump isn't that lazy.
	I want Obama dead.
	I want his dog dead.
	I want his man wife dead.
	Today.
	Today.
	I'm doing De Niro there, by the way.
	That's De Niro as Al Capone in The Untouchables.
	It's a great movie.
	Have you seen that?
	You're a dude pretending to be a dude pretending to be another dude.
	Let's play this.
	A friend bought me this book when I moved to Canada.
	He inserted an inscription advising me to have a more positive outlook on life.
	Well, sorry Mike, I appreciate that everything is not shit, but this book is.
	It's a pointless and tawdry read through a series of trite niceties that only an out-of-touch media type could compile.
	I was not surprised to find out that Steve Stack writes for The Observer.
	An online interview with him revealed a link to a predictably vitriolic left-wing Twitter account under a different name.
	I'm just curious to see what is it exactly that was bad about it.
	Now though, you said that it's so bad.
	This is the one that always distracts me with the video.
	Play it.
	Here's another of my industrial heroes, George Westinghouse.
	30 seconds ain't enough for this man, but he was a cartoonishly virtuous counterpart to Thomas Edison's famous cupidity.
	And while Edison famously holds the greatest number of patents to one name for seizing all of his employees' patents for his own, George Westinghouse was a close second, and each and every one of them was his own.
	This gives you an understanding of the kind of mind that Mr. Westinghouse had.
	But unfortunately, he made the mistake of dying before Edison.
	And much like Newton, Edison set out to destroy the legacy of any one of his contemporaries, which is why we now remember his name, and Westinghouse's legacy, and his once remarkable company, are now scattered to the four winds.
	There was a fatal mistake.
	What?
	That he died before Ed's... Alright, yeah.
	I'm exactly the same with that guy.
	That was very interesting about Westinghouse.
	But, I want to know about that V8 he's working on.
	Yeah.
	I want to know how to do that stuff.
	Talk to me about the cams.
	Like, what's going... V8 should be revered.
	I wish, I'm not absolutely terrible with stuff like that, but I couldn't pull apart a V8 and put it back together.
	No way.
	No chance.
	No way.
	I'm envious of guys that can.
	You wouldn't need it in a Mad Max universe.
	Let's see what Mr Cooper has to say.
	Happy episode 1001.
	I missed out on my chance to put the video comment into 1000th episode, but oh well.
	I've been too busy canvassing for the local Wollongong elections.
	I'm still working on my novel by the way.
	I mean, it's kind of weird that a party would just miss the filing deadline.
	Anyway, just saying.
	One quick note about novels.
	You know, like making videos, you guys don't actually do much on Premiere Pro, do you?
	But it's always way more time consuming than you think.
	Writing a novel is even, it's crazy.
	It's crazy how long it takes.
	Let's play this.
	The would-be assassin.
	So once again, someone's tried to murder Donald Trump.
	Not something I expected to see.
	I just wanted to say that it seems to me these people don't even perceive this violence as violence.
	As weird as it sounds, I could go into it.
	The point is they can't kill Donald Trump.
	They've failed twice.
	So the next best thing to do is voter intimidation on polling day and perhaps even political violence at polling stations.
	And it's been in the back of my mind for a while.
	I hope it doesn't come down to it, but leftists are very much happy with just trivialising violence against their opponents.
	One, they think they're on the right side of history, they're doing the right thing.
	Two, you can't mag-dump the Trump.
	Yep.
	Three, I suspect that will happen at some point, is actual intimidation at polling stations.
	Again, if you look at the decline and fall of both the Athenian democracy and the Roman Republic, Yeah, that's exactly what you end up doing.
	You get gangs in and around the physical polling thing, in whatever form that takes.
	Right.
	So, Samson, I think we can take a few extra minutes to talk about comets, yeah?
	Sure, let's do it.
	Excellent.
	Okay.
	So, George Happ says something good for both of you.
	Love the astronomy segments.
	The island of the Lotus Cetus may very well be in space.
	If we ever make a colony on Europa, I'm definitely going fishing there.
	I may even make a documentary about a different species called The Last Battle Against the Fish.
	Ron Swanzy.
	Hey dudes, my metal Islander shirt arrived today.
	It looks suitably fierce in person.
	Are any of you going to attend the reform conference on Friday?
	I'll be heading up.
	What?
	Connor is.
	Yeah, okay.
	Ron, I think Connor is attending it.
	Right.
	North FZ Zuma.
	Order my Islander 2.
	Keep it up, lads.
	Also glad to see some white pills.
	That's good.
	Right.
	That's good.
	Right.
	Based Ape.
	Our justice system does not read and interpret the law and determine how it should be applied.
	Our justice system reads and interprets the person on trial and determines how it should be applied.
	We don't punish people based on what they do.
	We punish people based on who they are.
	I mean, they also have to interpret the law in order to apply it in the particular case, because the law is very abstract.
	You have to interpret it as well.
	ST Benny Pax, I work in a digital forensics lab where 80% of our data is related to CSAM, child sexual abuse material.
	It's hard to believe that there are so many sick people in society.
	It's just twisted and very sad.
	One thing I'll say is I've done a job before, maybe you have Dan, maybe you have even Stelios, where it's horrible and it makes you unhappy and every single day is a bit of a slog and you're thinking to yourself quite a lot of the time, why am I doing this to myself?
	Change job!
	That's what I always do, as soon as I got to that point I just get a new job.
	But also this is something that is so disturbing to watch, especially on a daily basis.
	Yeah.
	It's like living at the foot of a volcano or in the middle of a hurricane path.
	Probably move, probably move.
	Pudes B. Many of us will remember the typical crowd, Owen Jones etc., coming out in defense of Hugh Edwards, saying all of the rumours were false allegations.
	Why was this a hill they were willing to die on before anything was confirmed or denied?
	I think that's an excellent question and there is definitely some tribalism there.
	The question is why?
	And I'm not.
	I'm actually a big advocate for that.
	I rarely, although I do do it sometimes, you can't help it, but rarely talk about things in proper detail and sort of cast a moral judgment on things until the trial's happened and there's a conviction or something.
	Yeah.
	Because you just don't know.
	I mean, yeah.
	Anyway.
	Yeah, the same.
	I feel very uncomfortable if I see something and instantly try to talk about it.
	Michael Brooks, he also did warnings about abuse online, talking about Hugh Edwards.
	He did.
	Someone online, Facebook posts, threaten the establishment.
	Nonsense, don't.
	Terminal Ballistics.
	The British state is protecting pedophiles while attacking the indigenous constituency.
	The fact that there are English cities with 10,000 slaves and that there are a multiplicity of grooming gangs assaulting children is a feature, not a bug.
	Well, people who are in the state of something, they need to bear in mind that with their actions, institutions get delegitimized.
	It's just as simple as that.
	Michael Brooks defunded the BBC.
	This would be much more favorable than freezing grandparents.
	But they can't do this as they need the official propaganda outlet.
	They're probably scared of the names he has.
	And so if we live as sad and horrible as it sounds, the pedo problem seems to be an overall problem in the entertainment industry.
	Whether it's record studios, Hollywood, the BBC or others, they really attract pedos and powerful people who will protect them.
	I mean, wherever you have access to lots of people and young people, there are people of that sort who go there.
	Shall we do a few from the other segments?
	Yeah, of course.
	Sneeda Chuck says, the Chad Venus vs Incel Mars segment is hilarious.
	Well done, Dan.
	Thank you very much.
	Lars Peter Simmons says, which would have hookers and casinos first, Mars or Venus?
	Well, it would obviously be Venus.
	We know this from watching The Empire Strikes Back, because it turns out that Han Solo won the Millennium Falcon by playing poker against that other dude in a cloud city.
	So yeah, it would be all over the cloud cities.
	But also you remember where Princess Leia was doing the belly dancing in Tatooine?
	Tatooine is more like- Yeah, but, yeah, next to some slug dude, so that can happen on Mars, that's fine.
	Um, Javier S says, the only thing we need to worry about while colonizing Venus is how to set up the days and years.
	It takes 224 Earth days to maintain the rotation, so that can't be a single day.
	Yeah, okay, so I thought about this as well.
	So, if you want to drop into the cloud level, Then the wind rotation is actually very fast.
	The winds are like, whatever it is, 300 miles an hour.
	Now that's not a problem for a cloud city because if you're in the wind, it doesn't feel like there is any wind because you're moving at the same speed as it.
	So then your day-night cycle becomes about two days each.
	You get the super cycle.
	And if you raise up higher above the cloud surface level then the winds drop down considerably and because you're getting so much solar power you can actually just use engines to keep yourself in the sunny bit and keep yourself in the sun all the daytime and if you want to sleep you just close the curtains or something.
	After, I think, on different planets or moons like that, you just go by a completely artificial Earth cycle.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's probably best.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Thomas Howell says, Stelios is a glass half full in the Lotus Eater's cupboard.
	Yes, very good.
	Terminal Ballistics says, I love the idea of going to Venus and I agree.
	The balloon technology to boost the beginning stage of floating outposts is absolutely possible.
	That kind of thing would also help us explore gas giants and moons.
	It's not that crazy of an idea, Beau.
	Mars should still be on the table, but Venus should not be off it.
	Cooling technology on the surface of Venus, however, is not realistic.
	Material science for that is pretty distant.
	Well, the principles are the same.
	Maybe expand on that at some point, but the principles are the same.
	You just need to swap out the radiant fluids.
	I think.
	Anyway.
	AZDesertRest says, have you ever had a bolt of lightning strike near you, Dan?
	It's not a pleasant experience.
	Well, yeah, but that again, so I think that I think most of the lightning is like between 10 and 20 miles and you would be at least 30 miles up.
	So, and you could potentially go higher if you used hydrogen.
	I don't understand this idea of going to an alien planet without nuking it from orbit first.
	Have we learned nothing?
	it's going to be cloudy.
	No, it'll be fine.
	It'll be fine.
	Shall we go to the comments to the last segment?
	Yes.
	Okay, Roman Observer says, LeClair, I don't understand this idea of going to an alien planet without nuking it from orbit first.
	Have we learned nothing?
	It's the only way to be sure.
	Actually, Elon mentioned something about nuking Mars from orbit.
	Yeah, it's one of the terraforming techniques in order to heat it up enough and melt the ice.
	Because you need to get a little bit of ice going because your solar panels only run at 40% so they're really in-cell solar panels.
	Derek Power says, be careful lads, I've seen satellite photos of Uranus.
	Well, you should say Uranus.
	But yeah, Uranus.
	Charles Ellington says NASA CGI has evidence.
	They get 63 million a day.
	I guess that's dollars.
	You guys know they lie about everything, but you think they're telling the truth about space?
	Yeah.
	I've done segments before on NASA lying and everybody's like, Dan's a conspiracy theorist.
	I can't bloody win!
	I know this guy.
	He said in comments loads of times he doesn't believe loads of it, most of it.
	He's one of the massive, massive sceptics.
	Charles is a sensible chap then.
	He's one of the massive, massive sceptics.
	Yes.
	And it's fair enough.
	It's fair enough.
	I mean, I don't agree with you, Charles, but it's fair enough.
	I mean.
	OK.
	Lars Petter Simonsen says, in NASA boffins we trust.
	Right.
	Here's my question.
	How often are these moons bombarded by debris from the planetary rings, the Saturn moon especially?
	Well, good question.
	I mean, so Europa, for example, it looks like there's very...
	Okay, so for Europa on Saturn... Well, Saturn's rings are quite stable at this point.
	So, no, if we were to talk about Europa, which is orbiting Jupiter, the inner things are largely swept out.
	It's largely swept out.
	I mean, you can see the surface of Europa.
	There's very, very, as I say, very, very few craters in it.
	But it's always a worry, even like micro, micro meteors and stuff.
	It's always a worry.
	Any mission that goes outside of low Earth orbit, you've really got to worry about, or even if you're in low Earth orbit actually, you could still get hit by something, it's totally possible.
	Right.
	On that note, we've run out of time and we had a lovely podcast today.
	I really enjoyed your segments.
	I didn't enjoy mine because it was just bleak.
	We cheered it up in the end.
	I think we did.
	So, hope you enjoyed it and see you tomorrow at 1 p.m.

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