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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast, The Lotosy 2.
	Is it the 29th?
	The days all blow into one for me, right?
	It does, the 29th of August 2024.
	I'm joined by Calvin and Zuby.
	What's up man?
	- Fun for me, right? - Fancy new calendar shows. - It does, the 29th of August, 2024.
	I'm joined by Calvin and Zuby.
	- What's up, man?
	- Ah, not, well, I mean, a lot, a lot, actually.
	But, you know, personally, everything's going great.
	So, you know, how are you?
	I'm doing great, man.
	Blessed and highly favored, as always.
	Life is good.
	You know me, always optimistic, always positive.
	Incredibly sharply dressed.
	Whatever's going on.
	Thank you.
	I want to point out, that's a gorgeous suit.
	Thank you, man.
	And I've taken a recent interest in suits, thanks to Calvin, because he's like, stop dressing scruffily.
	Fair point, actually, I think.
	But today we're going to be talking about how everything is getting banned, how England is becoming a much more dangerous place, and how the person in charge of all this actually seems to be a robot who doesn't have an inner monologue.
	From his own words.
	Yeah, it's quite worrying.
	Anyway, after the podcast, of course, go and watch Calvin's Common Sense Crusade, where he'll be talking to Nick Tenconi.
	Nick Tenconi.
	Nick Tenconi, who's the current leader of UKIP, and you are the speaker of UKIP.
	I am, the lead spokesman of UKIP.
	Oh, wow.
	Yes, yes.
	I didn't know that.
	I figured I couldn't find anyone to vote for in the last general election, so why not stun myself?
	Definitely something to be thought about there, isn't it?
	What's happening with UKIP these days?
	I'm getting lost with the political parties.
	Obviously Farage destroyed it, but after that the legacy still remains, the name is still there, so Nick Tencone has essentially taken over, invited me in and is kind of inviting anyone on the right of politics who wants to make a difference and wants to make Britain, Britain again.
	Yeah, interesting.
	Well, with that, let's begin.
	This is kind of breaking news actually.
	We've got government looking at tougher outdoor smoking rules.
	This morning this was just speculation but as we go on air this is actually the government have confirmed that this is what they're trying to do.
	They want to ban smoking even further than it's already banned.
	So, just a quick summary, a few years ago, was it the Conservatives that banned smoking in pubs?
	They banned smoking in enclosed public places and workplaces.
	2007 in Northern Ireland.
	Oh, that was Labour then, right.
	So yeah, you could normally, in the before times, I'm old enough to remember, you would go into a pub and it would stink of tobacco because everyone was smoking in there.
	And I can understand the reason for banning it inside the pubs.
	Like, okay, but if only half the people in the pub smoke, whatever.
	That's a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise want to go in, who don't want to go in because it isn't pleasant.
	So go outside and have a cigarette.
	Okay, fair enough.
	You know, I don't like it, but I can understand it.
	But even then, I don't understand it.
	I've never smoked cigarettes at least.
	Sure.
	Never even tried one.
	However, it's people's right to choose to smoke or not.
	And it's surely the venue's right to choose whether they want people to smoke in their venue or not.
	Now that was always my opinion on it.
	Well, can we not have smoking and non-smoking pubs?
	And let the market decide that.
	Absolutely.
	Well, not according to the Labour government, of course.
	There has to be one rule for everyone.
	But this is preposterous.
	OK, well, it was sold.
	OK, well, it's, you know, bad for us, blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah, OK, in an enclosed environment, sure.
	But I'm outdoors now.
	What are the rules they're looking to change in terms of outdoors?
	This is what they're looking to change.
	Banned smoking in pub gardens, outside nightclubs, restaurant terraces, outside sports stadiums, children's parks, pavements by universities and hospitals and shisha bars.
	The last one is the confusing one.
	How can you ban smoking in a shisha bar?
	They just don't want you to have fun.
	Yeah.
	They're targeting the fun aspects of life.
	People who enjoy smoking or people who are addicted to smoking have to find spaces outdoor to smoke because they're not allowed to smoke indoors now.
	And now they're saying they're going to ban the outdoor spaces too.
	I have really mixed feelings on this.
	Right, I thought you might as a health professional.
	I do, I do.
	So I, yeah, I freaking hate smoking like yourself.
	I've never tried a cigarette, was never even remotely tempted.
	It smells disgusting.
	It does have a serious second-hand effect.
	So it's not something that's just as simple as it only affects the user, that is for sure.
	At the same time, I have strong libertarian instincts and genuine concerns about increasing... Maybe if this was a government that I was totally convinced genuinely cares about the population and their well-being and their health, then I'd see something more like this and be more, okay, fair enough.
	You know, maybe it's a bit heavy-handed, but they genuinely care about people, but I know they genuinely do not.
	And so... Why?
	What do you think the motivation is behind this?
	Just increased control.
	Honestly, increased control.
	I just think a government is an entity.
	I don't know how many times I had this conversation with people during from 2020 to 2022.
	Um, you know, multiple aspects.
	The first thing is that if the government truly cared about public health, the things that they would be targeting and restriction, if they were going to use their power would be very different.
	The mandates would be rather different to what they're targeting.
	Um, And so, I just think, as a government in general, it doesn't even matter the country, its job is to grow and to control things.
	And governments always tend to increase in size and scope, just like companies are always seeking to increase their profits, especially if they're public companies.
	So, if someone's wondering, why is that company doing that thing?
	It's probably to make more money.
	Pretty good guess.
	When a government is doing something, it's normally to gain or control People more.
	And the only thing that reasonable people will trade their freedom and liberty for is a sense of safety and security.
	And so if you can sell something under the banner of, well, it's for your own good, it's for your health, it's for public health, then people are generally going to fall in line because, you know, as I've had the brunt of a lot for many years, you know, who wants to be the person who is standing against public health in the way people perceive it?
	It's not a fun position to be in.
	No, I'm not a libertarian, but I'm a conservative, but I think we share the same perspective here, that a government should be small, should protect the borders, provide a basic safety net, but other than that it should keep its hands out of our pockets and out of our lives.
	I'm not a full libertarian either, I sit somewhere, I'm like a...
	I'm a sort of libertarian-leaning conservative, or conservative-leaning libertarian, however someone wants to put it.
	There are valuable aspects to libertarianism.
	Yeah.
	I'm not a libertarian.
	No, I can go too far, and you know, I've really seen this.
	I travel all the time, as you guys know.
	So I've been to so many countries and so many cities, and you have the things that are theoretical, and which might sound, okay, that sort of makes sense.
	A true libertarian position is that decriminalize all drugs.
	It's hardcore, yeah.
	Um, I have lived in places where drugs, even including alcohol, are totally criminalized.
	I grew up in Saudi Arabia, I now live in the UAE.
	It freaking works.
	It works.
	What does it do?
	Destroy your fun?
	Yes, but it also means that you don't have drug addicts and alcoholics.
	Have you been to San Francisco?
	Have you been to LA?
	But that's not alcohol, is it?
	No, that one's not alcohol, but I'm talking about the full libertarian idea of decriminalize all drugs, which on paper I can understand the argument of, yeah, the government shouldn't be telling you what to put in your body and why, whether if you want to smoke, if you want to drink, whatever, and someone can easily take that further to cannabis, to cocaine, to heroin, you can take it wherever you want, and then you see the effects of it in real time, and it's like, yeah, okay, this is horrible.
	I remember literally going from You can fly direct between Dubai and San Francisco.
	So after, I remember last year after I did my interview with Elon, so I'd been, I was literally in San Francisco for a few days, walking around the Tenderloin downtown, just there, seeing it, smelling it, everything, right?
	Not for the first time either.
	And then 24 hours later, I'm in Dubai and everything is completely clean and pristine and like all of this.
	And it's like, okay, on paper.
	This is more authoritarian, quote unquote.
	And that is more libertarian.
	People on paper in certain ways have more freedom, but at the same time, people are afraid to go outside over there.
	People are afraid to walk down the street with their children.
	You just don't want to anyway.
	Exactly.
	People are slaves to their addictions and to their sins.
	And then I'm somewhere else where it's like, okay, someone could argue that the government is more heavy handed in regulating these things, for sure.
	But in a sense, you're more free.
	It's like, oh, I can wear my nice watch down the street here.
	I don't need to hide it away in my hotel room.
	I want to have a great big fat steak.
	I want to have a cigar afterwards with a glass of whiskey.
	And I want to because I want to.
	And someone wants to do their fentanyl and sniff their cocaine.
	But you have to draw a line somewhere, and the rule we've had in this country since it began was all good things in moderation.
	We would say that fentanyl and crack cocaine are not good things, so we wouldn't even moderate them.
	What do you think about cannabis?
	I would say that's not a good thing, but tobacco and alcohol, we've always... This is interesting, because I've never smoked weed, I don't drink alcohol, and I don't smoke cigarettes, but I would objectively say that alcohol and tobacco are worse than cannabis.
	In what way?
	How many people have died from cannabis?
	Well, their effect on society.
	I think, I mean, millions of people every year.
	Millions, objectively, die from cigarettes and alcohol.
	I'm not here even saying weed is good.
	Death isn't the only measure.
	Overdoses, the impact, but the alcohol, alcohol and tobacco, the effect on society, like, I know people in Britain like to drink.
	I'm not here saying ban alcohol, but the impact on the individual and on society of alcohol consumption is enormous.
	I don't even know the cost to the NHS and, you know, the equivalent in other nations.
	I'll get to it on the point of tobacco later.
	But I think, you know, again, I have zero interest in weed.
	I've been to places again where it's totally legal, everything.
	I hate the smell of it.
	I'm walking around Nevada, LA, whatever.
	I don't like it.
	Again, I'm not... But I find it hard to say that... But weed stifles creation.
	Anywhere that there are mass weed smokers, it's a lazy, lethargic society where nothing happens.
	Alcohol.
	All the best creators throughout history have smoked and drunk in moderation.
	All of them.
	All the best musicians in the world have done some pretty... This wasn't meant to turn into a debate, but it is interesting.
	Let's go back to where it started.
	2007, the Labour government banned smoking in public places.
	Now, the Conservative government came in and they could have undid this.
	They could have said, we're a party for freedom, we believe in people's liberties.
	Or they could have modified it in a sensible way.
	Again, this is very much one size for everyone.
	Rather than, this could be a smoking pub, this could be a non-smoking pub.
	Yeah, what they did instead was enhanced it.
	In 2015 they said, "We're creating a smoke-free generation and tackling youth vaping." Essentially they said, "The next generation will never have a legal opportunity to smoke." And that's why there are no vaping shops all over the country.
	Indeed.
	I suppose there must be more money in vaping now than there is in tobacco.
	Because vaping is allowed, and tobacco is being outlawed.
	But the smoke-free generation, the idea was it would come into effect in 2027, so that people who are 15 now will never be able to buy tobacco when they turn 18.
	Interesting.
	See, yeah, this is so interesting.
	Because I think something that's happening anyway with the younger generations is I think they're dabbling perhaps in certain types of drugs more, maybe cannabis being an obvious one, but they seem to be smoking and drinking considerably less than previous generations.
	They're not picking up their parents' vices, are they?
	No.
	Creating new ones of their own.
	I mean, just as a quick thing, I've smoked cannabis, and the problem that you have with it isn't the immediate physical effects, but it's the same thing with alcohol and tobacco.
	It's not immediately dangerous to your health.
	Over a long period of time, it is deleterious to your health.
	It's worse than tobacco for your lungs, for example.
	It does more damage.
	But that's not really the issue.
	I think South Park actually really hit the problem with cannabis really hard on the head.
	Which was, it makes you okay with being lazy.
	It makes you okay with being unproductive.
	And so there is some truth in what you're saying.
	Alcoholics are not uncreative.
	Additionally, it's great for certain cancers and things.
	It's really helpful.
	But you are also right that they're still all vices.
	Yeah, they are.
	I'm very much opposed to all of them, but I'm certainly not in the camp of everything I dislike and oppose should be banned.
	But the nature of this country has been anti-puritanical, right?
	Yeah, and you are right in your position where things that aren't immediately harmful should be done in moderation.
	So this comes back to your, why can I smell cannabis smoke everywhere?
	Because it's not being done in moderation.
	There's no social norm around it because it was illegal for such a long time.
	And I think should remain illegal, actually.
	Yeah, there's something that's interesting as well, which is, you know, we're obviously going going a lot wider and more philosophical on this conversation.
	But you know, we've got three intellectuals here, we should, you know, there's something interesting as well about laws.
	And I don't know, I don't have a conclusion on this.
	Um, you know, you'll often hear the term that you can't legislate morality, which is kind of a weird one.
	We do legislate morality.
	Every law should be based on morality, really.
	Um, but also it's like laws also inform morality for millions of people, as in suggesting what is and what isn't okay.
	Right?
	People generally assume, oh, okay, well, if something is Legal, or especially if it's gone from being illegal to being legal, it's sort of a suggestion or a nudge that it's okay, or it's not that bad, or it's, you know, you see it all the time online.
	Normalize this, normalize that.
	It's like, not everything should be normalized, actually.
	I once spoke on my Common Sense Crusade about matrimony, holy matrimony, marriage being between one man and one woman, and anything outside of that is sinful.
	And someone said, how can you say homosexual marriage is sinful?
	It's legal!
	As if the conflation there between illegality and sin.
	That's a great example.
	Do I go to jail if I murder my neighbor's dog?
	You know, like, is this still wrong?
	Yeah, I mean, you know, adultery is legal.
	Completely legal.
	Didn't used to be.
	Right, that's true.
	It's still, it's still a crime in many nations.
	But, you know, it's like, oh, and so there are people like, it might sound weird to us, but there are people who are like, oh, well, it's not.
	as long as it was consensual, right?
	You end up with that consent-based morality on everything, where it just becomes, oh, well, as long as it's consenting adults, then have at it.
	And it seems like every Western nation has slipped into this trap pretty hard in the US and Canada, Australia, UK, where it's kind of like, oh, was anyone hurt?
	Was it consensual? - And I hate that.
	- Okay, then shrug. - 'Cause someone's always hurt in sin.
	You personally are hurt, your soul is hurt, but also the collective body of Christ is hurt.
	So there's no sin where nobody is hurt.
	So that libertarian argument of let them do whatever they want, they're not hurting anyone, they are hurting someone.
	Yeah, and you know, when you have a society that is strongly and solidly rooted in Christian principles, then people understand that. - Yeah. - And you know, I put out a tweet, I think it was last year and it went viral.
	Actually, I was expecting to get way more pushback on it than I did.
	Like when I put it out, I was like, "Oh boy, some of my followers can get really mad at this." But actually people understood what I meant.
	So, of course, I'm a British citizen.
	I grew up in Saudi Arabia, lived in the UK for a long time, for 20 years, went to school here, went to university here.
	I recently moved back to the Middle East, which was a very conscious decision.
	I could live anywhere.
	And I tweeted that Despite living in an Islamic country.
	I said something like being in a Gulf country and in the Islamic country specific ones, you know, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar.
	I said, it feels more Christian, in a way, than being in Western society.
	And I think, maybe I put a caveat, and I said, not in terms of the people's theology, per se, but in terms of the way they actually live their lives, and the things that people promote, and the things that they oppose, the things that they support.
	And so, like, when I'm in Dubai, It's just like all of this stuff like all of the extreme extreme hedonism and degeneracy and let's trans the kids and let's do this and let's parade this and you just go there it's all just dead in the water no no one supports it it's just it does even regardless of their faith.
	So this is intriguing.
	Interesting.
	When you said you were moving to Dubai, my initial response was, I thought he was Christian.
	Why is he moving to an Islamic nation?
	And so this kind of answers some of that question.
	It does.
	And it's so family friendly.
	It's so pro-family.
	It's so pro-social.
	It's pro-life.
	Very pro-life country.
	And people are just living and getting on and being normal.
	And 20% of the population is Christian.
	In fact, I think the second biggest Catholic What's the right word?
	Not denomination.
	Is it parish?
	I think the second biggest one in the world is in UAE.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	St.
	Mary's Catholic Church is gigantic, over thousands and thousands of congregants.
	The church I go to there is like 100 times the size of the church I go to in the UK.
	Oh yeah.
	Thousands of people.
	It's 90% of the population is expats.
	Yeah.
	So you just have people from all over the world.
	So you've got people from African nations, Asian nations, Europe, North America, all over.
	Um, and everyone just, it's just very normal.
	That's the thing I perhaps appreciate most about it.
	I like not paying taxes, but I really like the fact that it's just normal.
	All of that crap just switches off over there.
	No, and no one, no one is woke.
	Because so many people have even moved there just because they're like, I just want to be, I've come from Russia, I've come from the UK, I just want to be somewhere normal and sane.
	What a part of Catholic culture that's missing.
	I hate to drive this back to the subject.
	Just real quick, the first miracle Christ performed was to turn water to wine.
	This is why we've always loved wine.
	We can't live in a world without it.
	But I've been told you want to talk about some kind of donate button.
	Oh yeah, we have a donate button on the website so if you appreciate what we do, go over to lowcease.com and donate to us because of course we've been demonetised and we rely entirely upon you and we're very grateful.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Now this is the Conservative policy.
	Once Labour got into power, what did they do?
	Did they undo it?
	Of course, these uni-parties back each other up.
	The Labour Party backed this up in the King's Speech at the State Opening of Parliament last month and promised to reintroduce What would you look for if not this?
	legislation.
	So they promised to follow through with conservative legislation which would outlaw the sale of tobacco to anyone born on or after January 2009.
	If you wanted more evidence of a uniparty, there it is.
	And what would you look for if not this?
	They're all following exactly the same policy.
	I mean, I won't even scroll down because it's just depressing.
	I mean, But what we saw, there should be a video popping up, what we saw on Twitter today is that Keir Starmer has outlined why he wants to do this.
	Yeah, he was very specific, wasn't he?
	There we go.
	It's being reported that you're looking at tighter restrictions on smoking outdoors.
	Pub gardens, outdoor restaurants, outside hospitals and so on.
	Is that something that you are considering?
	My starting point on this is to remind everyone that over 80,000 people lose their lives every year because of smoking.
	That's a preventable death.
	It's a huge burden on the NHS and of course it's a burden on the taxpayer.
	So yes, we are going to take decisions in this space.
	More details will be revealed, but this is a preventable series of deaths and we've got to take the action to reduce the burden on the NHS and reduce the burden on the taxpayer.
	You said when you became Prime Minister you wanted politics to tread more lightly on people's lives.
	This is the opposite, isn't it?
	I think it's important to get the balance right, but everybody watching this who uses the NHS will know that it's on its knees.
	We have to relieve the burden and that's why I spoke before the election about moving to a preventative model.
	Right, so I'm just going to stop him there because that really highlights exactly the problem with this country.
	We've got such a large administrative state that requires such a large tax burden.
	His problem is balancing the books.
	He's actually not concerned really about your health, which is a perfectly valid way to put it.
	That's not even truthful.
	So, in the last year, 2023 to 2024, tobacco tax duty receipts in the United Kingdom amounted to approximately £8.8 billion British Pounds, compared to £10 billion the year before.
	Now, what do you think the tobacco, um, problems and diseases cost the NHS?
	The 80,000 deaths.
	2.4 billion.
	I was gonna say a couple billion.
	So actually, smoking is a net positive for the country.
	For the NHS, in particular.
	Right, the NHS, yeah.
	If they were serious, again, I always say if they were serious, like, they'd be talking about obesity.
	Yeah.
	But they don't want to offend and upset people.
	But if you want to talk about something that's, like, seriously impacting the NHS, you'd be talking about that.
	You'd probably also be talking about the fact that people are not reproducing enough.
	Exercising enough.
	Yeah, but also...
	I have this conversation.
	My dad's, you know, been a medical doctor for 50 years and he's, you know, worked, first worked with the NHS in the 1970s.
	And it's really interesting.
	One other thing, I love many things about my dad, but he's just so like frank and honest.
	And he says, you know, he's very clear.
	He said, one of the things that is, uh, it's a good thing, but it's also an issue that people are just living longer.
	So he was like, back in the seventies or in the eighties, he's, I all see a patient now who might be in their eight, their late eighties, their nineties.
	And before they would have, they would have just died by now.
	And now they're coming in the hospital and they have seven, eight, nine different chronic issues.
	And that is costing a huge amount.
	And when you have this socialized healthcare system, especially when you don't have a lot of young people who are coming in and supporting it, then, um, It gets very top-heavy, and it gets very expensive, and it's just like, we can't do this thing.
	It's like when I talk to my American friends and or even just people who want to have something like the NHS in the US.
	One of the reasons it won't it wouldn't work is simply because the population is so unhealthy.
	If you had a generally obesity, isn't it now?
	Yeah, it's 42% now heading to 50 in the next decade.
	Oh, yeah.
	So it's like if the population were generally healthy, you could consider it.
	Norway or Sweden or something.
	Yeah, I was just in Sweden last week.
	Very healthy population.
	So it's like whether whether you are for or against it, it's almost irrelevant.
	It's just like it won't work because it would just be so egregiously expensive because people are so unhealthy and you have 300 and probably 350 million of them.
	So yeah, it just won't work.
	There's one more point actually I wanted to make on this and perhaps it's the most important point because I was talking about the sort of libertarian instinct.
	And I'll tell you, despite hating smoking, massively advising against it, the biggest reason, I guess my best argument actually against this would be when you're making new laws and creating bans, most people don't think about it this way.
	But you have to think everything is ultimately enforced under the threat of violence.
	So when it comes to things like this.
	I really have to kind of go back to that principle and think, am I okay with people potentially being arrested, forced to the ground, thrown in prison, and so on for doing this thing?
	And he is.
	And I'm like, no, right?
	Someone smoking a cigarette outside in a park.
	Am I okay with the force of the police, real boots on the ground coming in?
	No, actually, I'm not okay with that.
	I think that would be a horrible idea and a massive misuse of police resources.
	He's a tyrant.
	So both of his main points are undermined.
	He said the NHS, we've discussed, it's net positive actually to smoke, but also he said it's a preventable death.
	Heart disease, kidney disease are in the top 10, far above any tobacco-related disease.
	Is he going to clamp down on drinking?
	Is he going to clamp down on sugar?
	No.
	Abortion kills 250,000 people per year in this country.
	That's the biggest cause of death.
	Is he going to ban abortion?
	Of course he's not.
	He's a massive tyrant.
	But on the issue of smoking, before we move on, I would just say you can buy a Common Sense Crusade pipe on the Lotus Eaters store.
	Which you should, because they're awesome.
	But I actually personally do smoke, but I also don't recommend someone takes it up.
	You'll never get it off your back, to be honest.
	I'm going to whip through some of these, because this topic's gone on a bit, but some of the other stuff that the government has tried to ban in recent years.
	Wet wipes!
	I thought that was ironic because they're kind of banning themselves really.
	Single-use plastics, this one really riles me up because plastic straws are important for people with disabilities and the elderly and actually as a result of banning plastic straws we've seen companies like Starbucks and Nero use more plastic in their lids.
	Actually more plastic than the straws would have been so it's counterintuitive.
	Do you know what's coming in my brain?
	How many of those disposable plastic masks that they like frost upon billions?
	How many of those things must just be... I just want to say I'm kind of in favour of it as well because I hate plastic as a material.
	Plastic is horrible.
	It's a horrific material.
	But they don't do it in a good way.
	No.
	No evidence for the government's plastic straw claims.
	This is a Channel 4 fact check.
	They're on the government's side.
	So it doesn't help.
	They're literally state owned.
	Right.
	It doesn't help the environment and it's actually detrimental to the disabled.
	Charging for plastic bags in supermarkets.
	Okay, so plastic bags kill turtles.
	We want to stop people using plastic bags.
	But if I pay my 10 pence, I can kill a turtle.
	It's the message that they're sending.
	But is it really our plastic bags that kill the turtles?
	How many turtles are there around British beaches?
	I can afford a lot of plastic bags, so I can afford to kill a lot of turtles.
	And I do want that.
	It's not good.
	Yeah.
	The junk food ban.
	I won't play the video because of time but they tried to ban junk food.
	I'm sure Zuby will be all over this one.
	They tried to ban sauce sachets in restaurants.
	They tried to ban cheese adverts because cheese is apparently unhealthy.
	What?!
	It's lovely and it's good for you.
	Cheese isn't unhealthy.
	Yeah, why would they think she's an elf?
	That's not even correct.
	They banned the beach body ready advertisement.
	I remember that so well.
	That's allowing fat people on adverts.
	What message are they trying to send there?
	And of course they banned black cabbies from flying their own national flag.
	Amazing.
	Is that because it's racism, Mark?
	Yeah, yeah, it's because it's racist.
	When does this non-estatism turn into tyranny?
	I would say at the beginning of it.
	Again, I won't play the video for time, but they tried to ban social media during the recent riots.
	They said, let's ban it during the unrest.
	Yes, a temporary measure in a government.
	Always a good thing to do.
	And for anyone who doesn't know, it was just a TV segment.
	Yeah, it was a TV segment hosted by the husband of the current Home Secretary.
	Do you know something that's... One of many.
	Do you know something that's really, really interesting with all this?
	And I've got my philosophical hat on today and I think you guys will both, I think you guys will both definitely understand what I'm saying here.
	I think that this ever encroaching nanny state is absolutely inevitable when all of the other things that keep people In line and ethical and moral are eroded faith.
	Yeah, family, community, all of these things that act because if you think of it on your in your day to day life, you don't generally conduct yourself based on what is legal and what is not.
	Yeah.
	You have other laws and moral codes and things that are instilled in you from childhood, which generally guide your behavior.
	So I think as those things are eroded away intentionally or unintentionally, it becomes inevitable that the state is going to keep on encroaching more and more, saying, okay, we have to kind of treat you like children and tell you what to do and what not to do.
	And people will also demand and accept it more.
	100%.
	State religion is a good thing.
	A shared moral compass.
	Oh, okay.
	When you said state religion, I didn't know what you meant.
	The new state religion is the state, unfortunately.
	Yeah.
	I think, you know, when you look back, obviously the USA in its early days had its issues, but I think because of the shared familial and moral and so on codes, they were able to just have very few laws.
	Like in the US, they began to have very few laws.
	It was kind of just give everyone a gun and you police yourselves.
	And then As time goes on, this federal government in particular just grows and grows.
	You are right.
	I think it's correlative with the dissolution of morality in the populace itself.
	It's going to be enforced from somewhere.
	Yeah, exactly.
	This is backed up by what we saw over COVID.
	The fact that the government wanted to ban collective worship.
	They banned people from meeting in pubs.
	They essentially banned assembly.
	The freedom of assembly.
	Can I propose a law?
	Yes.
	When I say a law, I mean sort of in the Newton style.
	You know how they say energy cannot be created or destroyed?
	Yeah.
	I think the same is true of power.
	It just moves around.
	You take it away from the individual, and it goes to the state, or you take it away from God, quote-unquote.
	I don't believe you can actually take it away, but you do that, and it's like the power is always there.
	The authority is always there, just where it sits.
	You get no authority that my father doesn't grant you, so he permits leaders to have authority, but all authority comes from him.
	Yes, ultimately.
	From a political science perspective, power is like a liquid.
	It's always in flux.
	It's always flowing.
	You know, you can never just amass power and keep it.
	It's always, you're either gaining it or losing it, but it's never stationary.
	So you might well be right on that.
	I think so.
	I think it just goes somewhere else.
	Like, I give up this power and I'm granting it to this other entity and so on.
	I don't think it's, you can just decrease the power overall and just shift where it sits.
	And this lines up with what you're saying, because as we move away from one state religion to the state as a religion, they're banning the old religion.
	So we're seeing the banning of silent prayer in certain places.
	We're seeing the banning of what they call conversion therapy.
	Are you praying in your head?
	I can't take it.
	Wait, what's this one?
	So this was conversion therapy.
	They wanted to ban conversion therapy, which essentially means if someone comes to you and says, look, I might be trans, for you to have a conversation that dissuades them from that, you are converting them.
	Therefore, that's illegal.
	The craziest thing is this is so Orwellian because the actual conversion therapy is the transition itself and sex change surgeries.
	And that's actual, by definition, conversion therapy.
	The way they use language is, it's scary.
	But the most important ban we've seen in the last 20 odd years is the guns.
	Oh yeah.
	The UK government took our guns away in 1997 following the Dunblane incident, which was an awful, awful incident.
	A mass shooting, but it didn't stop mass shootings.
	We've had seven mass shootings since then.
	Taking people's guns away doesn't stop people using guns illegally.
	It only stops us preventing, well, defending ourselves with guns.
	What were the laws?
	I'm too young to know this.
	What were the laws before that time?
	I actually don't know either.
	I know it wasn't the same as US where it's just like, but what were the laws?
	What did you have to do to own a gun?
	It was quite, it was still quite stringent at the time, I can't remember exactly what... It's probably similar to the way they are now, because we actually do still have millions of guns in the country.
	Just in the countryside, shotguns and rifles for hunting or whatever.
	And you've got to jump through a load of hoops to get one.
	So, it was probably something similar.
	I think it's for sport, for work, or for leisure, but you have to own an estate or be a regular user of an estate.
	But this is why the Americans kept their guns, because there's no freedom of speech, freedom of association, without a freedom to bear arms.
	Trade-offs, man.
	That's really what it is, and I think so many of these Issues become such hot-button political and culture war things because a lot of people don't want to accept that trade-offs exist.
	I'm very much pro-Second Amendment for the USA.
	But the truth is, yeah, of course it results in more shootings.
	But the Second Amendment defends the Second Amendment.
	But also, yeah, exactly.
	But I think people want to pretend there's no trade-off there.
	And it's just like, no, there's a trade-off.
	Like, whatever side of this you're on, you have to be honest and say there's a trade-off.
	You get more of what you permit, as you mentioned at the beginning of the talk.
	I think that's also a great example of The concept I was saying just about power.
	So it's like, okay, someone's going to have guns.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	No, no, no one's, I've made this point before.
	No one is actually anti-gun.
	Right.
	You, you people debate on who should have them.
	Yeah.
	There's no police force in the world or no government force that does not have firearms.
	They're going to have them.
	It's just should citizens be able to, or to what degree or which ones?
	Good guys have them too, or just the bad guys.
	But all of this comes down to our choice between freedom and safety.
	Yeah.
	Pretty much everything we've discussed, which all comes to say, bring back smoking in pubs.
	That's what all this was about, essentially.
	Venues should have the right to decide whether people in their venue are going to smoke or not.
	It has nothing to do with the state, it has nothing to do with anyone else.
	And you can just put a sign outside, this is a smoking pub, this is a non-smoking pub.
	Use your discretion.
	Yeah, let people, the private owners, make their choices.
	So, we've had a bunch of Super Chats that I'm just going to run through very quickly.
	Lord of the Rings, all the heroes smoke and drink, says Daveyverse, which I think is the most compelling argument.
	I can't pronounce it.
	I just want to tell you how much I love Loadseed.
	It's for $50.
	Thanks, man.
	I live in Australia, which is the coffee capital.
	I'm giving up coffee on doctor's advice and will send my coffee money.
	Well, thank you very much.
	And the Shadowband sent a super chat for $51 saying Seattle is the coffee capital.
	Melbourne can have number two.
	I don't drink coffees, I have no idea.
	Here it says, much of the science behind tobacco harm is funded by dubious self-interested parties.
	Certainly there is evidence to suggest the risk from secondhand smoke is vastly overstated.
	Not going to get into the debate at the moment, so we will move on.
	Right, so.
	England is becoming a much more dangerous place.
	If you've been following the news for the past, say, month or so, you'll have noticed that practically every single day there is at least one stabbing.
	uh, often fatal.
	And these are just atrocious.
	It's just part, normal part and parcel of life.
	Now.
	I mean, I don't want to, I'm going to begin with the Notting Hill carnival.
	Uh, we covered it earlier in the week.
	Now, Notting Hill carnival on average, there are 11 stabbings every year.
	Is that the average?
	Yeah, that's the average.
	And there were only eight this year.
	So, well, you know, they should be proud of themselves.
	And this is meant to be just a... A lot of far-right thugs, though.
	If far-right thug includes Afro-Caribbean festival goer, yes.
	There are lots of them.
	But who knows, it'll be gang violence over drugs and whatnot.
	You might say, OK, well, this is a large gathering.
	There's a large gathering.
	There's a million people there.
	You know, fair enough.
	You can expect some violence.
	I mean, you don't see the same thing.
	I don't, I don't accept that.
	Yeah, I don't either.
	I have, I have a, I have, I have a thought here.
	Go on.
	I say this when I'm in the States too, which is that I think people in our societies need to raise their standards and expectations.
	I don't like this idea that, oh well, there's a bunch of people like, of course there's going to be some stabbings.
	Or like, oh, it's a big city, of course there's going to be a lot of crime.
	Or there's this, oh, that's just how it is.
	I think that's quite a dangerous mentality.
	I think over the course of time people have just kind of gotten to the point where it's just like, oh yeah, we should just, that's just how it is.
	And it's like, actually no, it doesn't have to be.
	There are cities and countries around the world where there are millions of people and the crime is extraordinarily low.
	Like Tokyo.
	Like Tokyo.
	24 million people.
	Yes, many Japanese cities.
	The Mayor of London is on record as saying, of course we have terrorist attacks in London, it's a major city, it's to be expected.
	Like, they don't get that in Riyadh, they don't get that in Dubai, they don't get that in Doha, they don't, no, of course not.
	No, no, I'm being sarcastic.
	Let's be real, a few months ago I got invited to Nayib Bukele's inauguration in El Salvador, so I went to El Salvador for the first time.
	Which used to have tripled the homicide rate of Haiti.
	It was the most dangerous country in the entire world by homicide rate.
	It's now the safest in the Western Hemisphere.
	It's safer than Canada.
	But that's only because he locked up all the criminals.
	Who would have thought?
	But look, the math on this is so interesting.
	So El Salvador is about 6 million people.
	Yep.
	He put 60,000 people in jail.
	1% of the population.
	Dropped the homicide rate by 98%.
	Wow.
	Shocking.
	If you lock up the criminals, crime goes down.
	You lock up 1% of the population.
	And you can just completely flatline it and that just says a lot.
	It says a lot about humans actually.
	It does.
	It really says like it's such a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of people who cause, who do like all the crime.
	Yeah.
	Vast, vast majority of people have.
	And this is where I think conservatives can be, can make serious errors as well, because they'll like to sometimes play the demographic game.
	Oh, like, you know, this demographic is like doing all this.
	And yes, of course, there's different crime rates in different demographics, but people lose sight of the fact that, like, well over 90% of people in any demographic are not doing any, are not doing any crime.
	When you, when you look at the black crime statistics in America, everyone's like, oh, it's 13% of the population.
	Well, mostly it's not the women, and actually mostly it's not men over 30.
	It's like 2% of 13% of the population.
	Exactly, it's actually a tiny sliver.
	It's a tiny sliver.
	Just that, okay, you're going to jail, then the crime rate would just drop off in every demographic.
	We're doing the opposite.
	We're letting violent criminals out.
	Bringing them in.
	Yeah, and letting them in.
	We're also saying if you apologise, you don't actually get charged for your violent crimes.
	And so I just thought we'd go through some of the more recent atrocities that have happened in England.
	In the past week, I mean, not even.
	Just reading this headline upsets me.
	Oh yeah, it's awful.
	Like everything, like what?
	Yeah, yeah, I mean the first day, Carnival's two days, and the first day's meant to be a family day.
	There were still three stabbings there, and this young mother's obviously...
	Fine for her life, right in front of her kids.
	And it's just like, okay, you know, the thing that gets me cold is that we hope to organize an event where a hundred thousand people turned up.
	If one person had been stabbed, we would have been arrested.
	The whole thing would have been shut down.
	We have all these stabbings, all of this violence, and it's like, celebrate it, diversity, multiculturalism.
	Just to be expected there.
	It's absolutely preventable.
	And it's because, I think, that the police basically don't like policing minority areas.
	It's not even that they can't, I think they don't really feel that they have the moral authority to do so.
	And that is a real problem.
	I mean, this is from Enfield, North London, an area that's 31% English.
	Guns were bad!
	Good grief.
	You can't really see what's happening.
	It's such a distance.
	But nothing has been done.
	I mean, the police have gone down there, and no cooperation from the local authorities.
	We need to somehow, like, hijack the human brain's capacity for tribalism and identity politics.
	and get people to like see like non-criminals like law-abiding people versus criminals rather than the black versus white or the this versus that or whatever it's like that would be nice it's like how about like it's really not that complicated if you if you go out and you rob you rape you murder you assault people i don't give a crap about your ethnicity your color your background your your social status anything We deal with you.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I mean, that would be completely sensible.
	It happens with the police as well, because it's like, oh, we don't want to be seen as doing this or like, oh, it's a minority.
	It's like, who cares?
	They're criminals.
	This is when the Manchester Arena bombing happened.
	It's because one of the security guards saw this Muslim guy, like, you know, acting weirdly.
	He was like, oh, should I say something?
	He was like, I don't want to come across as being racist.
	And they killed 20 children.
	Exact same thing happened.
	Isn't that the same thing with all the grooming gang stuff?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, we, it's, but it's this, you know, they're of this dem- Don't care.
	Behavior is wrong.
	Why did you bring it up?
	The fact that you are, if you go and arrest these people, this is not a suggestion that like everyone who's Pakistani or everyone who's Muslim or whatever is involved.
	In fact, to even suggest that is like, that's actually really offensive.
	You could be like, but look, your criminals were just going to deal with you.
	Like there's no...
	You're kind of implicating the entire community when you say, yeah, but he is a... Yeah, you are.
	And it's like, well, hang on a second.
	What are you saying about the 99% who are law-abiding?
	Exactly.
	You know, and just like, well, I didn't want that to happen.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And I think it's often forgotten that in any of these, in these communities, the people, assuming they are actual communities, the people who
	are most against the people who are doing that tend to be people within the same demographic yeah right when polled the black community in america never okay i haven't seen many pakistani muslims speaking out against pakistani muslim rape gangs that is true but they but there is like uh the the question of uh the thing is is whether the community perceives it to be a threat to itself right so in in america when the black community's polls do you want fewer police they're like hell no yeah i think i think it's because in um i think it depends perhaps
	That's a good point you brought up, Calvin.
	I think it depends on who's being victimized.
	I think in most cases, crime is committed, it's proximity, right?
	Yeah.
	So who's killing most black people in the UK or in the USA?
	Other black people who's killing most, right?
	Because people are in physical communities.
	I think maybe what's unique in this case is because the victims are explicitly primarily outside of it, and so there's less of that It, the protective mechanism perhaps doesn't even kick in that same type of way.
	I suspect that.
	Just a thought on that, yeah.
	The point is, this was two days ago, no victims have been identified, even though it looks like someone was actually shot.
	Um, there were, of course, evidence of firearms being discharged, but no arrests have been made and inquiries are ongoing.
	But of course, this is a community that doesn't really view itself as part of the wider society and doesn't want to be policed.
	And we've seen this multiple times.
	These communities where they don't actually cooperate with the authorities, so nothing's going to get done.
	The police won't be able to arrest anyone.
	And so these people are still just roaming at large.
	At least nobody was hurt in this case.
	Well, we don't know.
	Actually, someone may well have been hurt.
	The community is just going to make sure that it's not announced to the outside world.
	So firearms on the streets of Enfield.
	This was a horrific thing that happened this week.
	Two people have been charged with the murder of a woman and her three children in Bradford because it seems that a house was deliberately set on fire with them in it.
	Yep.
	This is just horrific, and I say this as a father of four, with a wife and kids at home.
	I mean, it's just genuinely heartbreaking to see this.
	Mohamed Shabir, 44, and Callum Sunderland, both from West Yorkshire, have been jointly charged.
	has been jointly charged with four counts of murder and one count of attempted murder of briny waith uh with her three children uh density bernal oscar bertal and aubrey bertal uh the children's father has survived because he wasn't home at the time uh yeah i know it's genuinely awful i'm absolutely distraught the loss of my family and our beautiful children
	i mean is you know he'd obviously type this out but i mean this is like his future and legacy that has been destroyed by these people.
	And we don't have the death penalty in Britain, which is a real shame.
	Do all three of us support that?
	Oh, I totally do.
	I get so much pushback for that.
	I'm just like, there are certain things that you can do.
	Oh yeah, 100%.
	That are so awful that I'm like, how can someone, and again, I think because the typical pushback is, oh, what if you get the wrong person?
	I'm narrow in situations where there's zero doubt that you are the person.
	There's people who go out and they shoot up a place and they live stream it and the person is caught gun in hand.
	I'm like, yeah, you don't need that person.
	Let's say Lucy Letby, and there are a lot of questions of the Lucy Letby case, and yeah, okay, obviously there's not, there's too much.
	But like you say, we're the most surveilled society in the world, we've got DNA evidence, and a lot of the time they'll film themselves committing a crime.
	So sometimes it's infallible evidence, it can't be someone else who has committed the crime, it has to be this person.
	So okay, well then, hang them.
	In those cases, I don't...
	I've got no problem with that at all.
	I'm confused when people start, like, their compassion is falling on the side of the person who's got it.
	Save this for a minute, because we're going to get back to this when we talk a bit more about Keir Starmer, because it's horrific.
	But anyway, so this is just awful.
	Absolutely awful.
	It's just a genuine horror, an atrocity that has happened in Britain.
	Three other people were arrested as well, but they haven't been named.
	So just the most awful thing I can imagine happening.
	to a man has happened to his family has happened this week just FYI so the next one is in Clapton in London a man in a wheelchair was stabbed to death by machete that's just insane The crime scene was put in place.
	Two males, brackets, no further details at this time have been arrested, so just two males.
	This was a chap, what was his name?
	It was Jade Anthony Barrett, who was a well-liked member of the local community because, of course, he stands up because he's in a wheelchair and he's a very friendly guy.
	Lots of people came out and said, God, I can't believe this happened to this guy.
	He was a fixture in the local community.
	He was very friendly, everyone liked him.
	And this apparently happened just in the middle of the day.
	Just out of curiosity, on these last ones, do you know any idea of motive?
	No.
	This is one of the reasons we had the riots, because the police are not forthcoming with motives or identification these days.
	They're so afraid of race riots.
	Yeah.
	So this was the chap.
	He was apparently the nicest chap in the world.
	Everyone has lovely things to say about him.
	But he apparently got into some sort of argument between two men aged 21 and 28 who were arrested on suspicion of murder.
	And he, quote, tried to get away but got stuck in his wheelchair, witnesses claimed, and they just stabbed him with this machete.
	It's like, right, okay, where are all these machetes coming from?
	Yeah, great question.
	His sister and all the locals described him as a cheerful and caring man who never took anything too seriously, and so he was a relatively relaxed chap, and now he's dead.
	This is what England is like this week in 2024.
	Uh, but this has been going on for years.
	I mean, nobody's safe.
	You remember David Amess was killed in 2021 by an Islamist from Somalia.
	I think it was second generation Somalian.
	Uh, just stabbed him in a constituency surgery when he's meant to be talking to his constituents.
	And of course, uh, Nigel Farage was also attacked on the campaign trail.
	This is a guy just throwing a cement brick in.
	him.
	Oh wow.
	And he's able to run off.
	Cops are just... They did get him.
	Oh, okay.
	I was going to say, like, how did he manage to get away?
	Yeah, because the cops are just not that bothered.
	Even the same citizen arrest, man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, this is a two-tier system, remember?
	So the man was Josh Greeley from Chesterfield.
	The university graduate, we are told, was a man of previous good character who'd been remorseful, says his defence barrister.
	And so, greedy, he pleaded guilty to the charge, and he was given a six-week prison sentence suspended for 12 months.
	So he's not going to prison.
	That's outrageous.
	I mean, that could kill someone.
	Exactly, that's exactly- Someone bricks at someone's head.
	That's exactly what I said, this is a potentially deadly weapon.
	And he went for the second shot as well.
	But getting away with it incites more violence towards politicians that you disagree with.
	It's not a good thing to do.
	And so he also had 120 hours of community work to do, and pay about 250-220 quid in fines.
	The dry-cleaning cost.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Absolutely nothing, really, is happening to this guy, because it's Nigel Farage.
	And I do want to just highlight the two-tier nature of this, because of course we have lots of other people who threw bricks at people.
	For example, if we go for Dean Groenewald here, He got two and a half years for throwing a paving stone at the police after getting carried away during a riot.
	So, attack Farage, zero jail time.
	Attack the police, two years and two months in jail.
	That happens everywhere though, doesn't it?
	Yeah, but this is just, again, another just shining example of the two-tier system under which we live.
	The only difference could have been, not in the actions, but it has to have been in the person targeting, the motive.
	Anyway, just be careful out there, folks.
	England's becoming a much more dangerous place than it used to be, and you're very unlikely to find justice for anything that happens to you.
	So just be aware.
	The UK and other Western nations, they need to import some of the policies from the Gulf countries.
	I think a lot of people, even just me saying that, people kind of like bristle a little because people think that I'll tell you why, Ambrose.
	I think I know why, Ambrose.
	The policies don't matter without the people implementing the policies.
	The people implementing the policies don't have a moral compass.
	If they do, it's secular and nonsense like this.
	The people implementing the policies in the Middle East have a moral compass that they live by.
	They have values that most people agree with.
	In this country, our leaders don't.
	So the policies don't actually matter.
	It's how they're implemented.
	I mean, everything's about how they're implemented.
	I mean, if laws on the books were just enforced.
	Which a lot of them aren't.
	And the thing is, they assume that they only implement them for the people who cooperate with them.
	So for the people who they need to be applied to, they aren't implemented.
	For people who are otherwise law-abiding citizens, they get the full force.
	Again, totally agnostic in terms of who, I don't care who the perpetrator and the victim are, whatever groups they belong to.
	Like, violent crime should not be tolerated, period.
	Yeah.
	In any nation, like that should just be such a basic pillar that everyone, regardless of their political orientation, agrees on.
	You're going to go out and you're going to physically hurt people regardless of your motive or whatever.
	No.
	We had a headline in the Telegraph this week that said if you apologize for your violent crime you'll be let off.
	At the same time as we're locking people up for Facebook comments and tweets.
	It's insane.
	We are mad.
	In fact, let's move on from here.
	We've got a couple more soup chats I have to read out.
	Ramshackalot said you had to be a member of the Gun Club.
	The Dunblane Killer was a member of the Gun Club.
	He's coming!
	Slowly!
	Okay, fair enough.
	Kenko says, this money should go to my church, but Father Calvin, I want more beard.
	Jesus had a beard.
	It's coming, slowly.
	Give me time.
	Keith says, it's an issue with our media, such as the BBC, state media broadcasts into all homes.
	The populace consume this without thought, and stories such as the carnival stabbings are swept away, ignorant to it.
	And the Engaged View says, it is your cultural tradition to hack people to pieces, and it does allow us to throw you in prison until you rot.
	Let each follow the dictates of their tradition.
	Well, it used to be our tradition to hang these people.
	It did.
	And we should bring that back.
	Very soft.
	Yeah.
	So, the person presiding over all the difficulties that England faces at the moment is one Sir Keir Starmer, QC.
	And so, I looked into Keir Starmer, because I saw a lot of people posting snippets where Keir had been in interviews, and he came across like a total psychopath.
	I was like, well, okay, that's got to be unfair.
	It's got to be taken a bit out of context.
	Now I'd watched his reactions to the riots and he came across like a total psychopath, but I thought, okay, no, no, there must be more to this.
	And so I started reading Various accounts of people who have been close to Kit or in personal conversation with Kit for interviews and things like that.
	And yeah, I've come to the conclusion that he might actually be a robot sent from the future to destroy us.
	I'm not even joking.
	It's hard to believe that one man can be as evil as he is.
	So this is a biography of Starmer and what does Kit Starmer actually believe in?
	Spoiler alert, they come to no fixed conclusion in this, so they aren't even particularly sure what he actually believes in from this.
	This is his biographer.
	Yeah, but, quote, Starmer is from a staunch Labour family.
	Right, okay, so he's a communist.
	He helped set up East Surrey Young Socialists.
	He campaigned for Jim Callaghan and so on.
	In his early career as a lawyer he was part of the London Labour Left.
	He moves in circles and links to the Communist Party.
	At one point worked on a number of cases with lots of radical lawyers.
	And then he has another foot in the Liberal NGO world.
	So right, that's not the kind of guy I would instinctively want in charge, but we'll get more details on that from Peter Hitchens, who was himself a young radical revolutionary in the same time and in the same place.
	And so he basically explains that Kirstein was a communist when he was young.
	Involved in lots of communist activities.
	He was a disciple of Pablo, so he calls him a Pabloist.
	He was a form of Trotskyite, so anti-Soviet Union but extremely far to the left radical revolutionary socialist.
	And he says, when questioned by the New Statesman in 2020 about his radicalism in the 80s, he was known as Red Green and Starmer's replies were anything but embarrassed.
	So Red Green, as a label, combines social radicalism and identity politics with green zealotry.
	And when the New Statesman interviewer asked him if he was still a Red Green, Keir enthusiastically responded with, yeah.
	Okay, so I don't think he's composmentous enough to change his mind.
	I mean, if the new programming hasn't been put in, then he's the same old programming.
	In a crucial exchange in the same interview, he made it impossible for himself to later claim that his political past was not relevant to the present, saying, quote, Okay, so you're the same as the Communists you were when you were young.
	And he says that, well, he was involved in the Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers in the late 80s, before the end of the Cold War.
	And they split from the Labour Society of Lawyers in the late 80s, because they tell us, the Labour Society Wouldn't allow members of the Communist Party to join, but the Haldane Society would.
	So Keir Starmer was in the Communist adjacent Society of Lawyers.
	Two left for the Labour Society of Lawyers.
	He was two left for the Labour Society of Lawyers, which is just remarkable when you think about it.
	And the Haldane Society's magazine, he was the secretary of it.
	Interesting.
	So he wasn't just some guy who was just a member for the fun of it.
	He was a member of the institution itself.
	Right, okay.
	So, I think it's fair to say that Kirstein was a communist.
	And he says, I haven't changed my mind on any major things.
	Okay, I believe that.
	And somehow he found himself behind the Iron Curtain, in a work camp during the Cold War, when he was 23 years old.
	It happens.
	To Jeremy Corbyn, to Bernie Sanders, to Keir Starmer, it happens!
	Somehow you arrive to Peter Hitchens when he was in Moscow, when he was a communist.
	Again, you've got to be a fellow traveller to be able to get behind the Iron Curtain from outside of it during the Cold War, so they obviously recognised him as one of their own, which is just fascinating.
	Okay, that's the political ideology.
	His history, he's made it quite clear.
	He's as far left as it really gets.
	He has small doctrinal differences between himself and people like Jeremy Corbyn, but generally they sit on the same benches.
	So I found this, which is fascinating, because this is Keir Starmer's most personal interview yet.
	So I thought, OK, we've got the forward-facing ideology.
	Let's get the man behind the ideology.
	And man, that is a scary prospect.
	I think I just want to go back to the communist ideology, actually, because at least I can understand that and reason with that and explain why that's wrong.
	You can't explain with someone who literally doesn't have active thoughts in their mind.
	Right.
	And unfortunately, that's just essentially Keir Starmer's, uh, the, the, the phrase that comes out of this most is I've never really thought about that.
	Oh, let's get on with it.
	So, uh, he, uh, he says he's not really, uh, eager to talk about his feelings.
	He can't say if he's ever been, if he's an optimist or a pessimist and no, he doesn't know if he's an extrovert or introvert either.
	Quote, I've never really thought about it.
	I don't know what that tells you.
	So the prime minister's an NPC.
	Self-admitted.
	Do not have emotions.
	He looks like an NPC.
	He literally looks like the bloody NPC meme.
	I haven't got a picture of him.
	Yeah, look, he's the sort of grey hair blank expression NPC meme.
	He actually looks like it, and it's like, oh my god.
	That's terrifying.
	This is crazy, right?
	So he doesn't know what he dreamed last night or ever.
	Quote, I don't dream.
	What?
	He just hits the pillow at 11 and bang, he's out until around 5 in the morning.
	Shuts down for a few hours.
	Then reboots.
	That's so funny.
	I can't imagine!
	That's mad, right?
	You know one thing I have always noticed with him, and of course I've been out the country a bit, but I don't know anything about him.
	That's why these interviews have been done.
	I don't know his policies, I don't know what he stands for, I know he's left, but...
	Communism, I guess.
	Zero charisma.
	But he doesn't know either.
	That's the point.
	I don't know if I'm an optimist or an introvert.
	I've never really thought about it.
	I've never had a dream.
	He doesn't have a favorite novel or poem.
	That's like no personality.
	He was never scared of anything as a child.
	He had nothing, no phobias.
	Was he ever a child?
	I don't know.
	I mean, maybe he was just constructed in the late 80s.
	Like an Indian man or something.
	It's crazy.
	I mean, how can an individual be so devoid of personality?
	There are that many decades on earth.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know, how is it you're 61 and you don't have a favourite novel?
	Have you never read a novel?
	Do you know what a novel is?
	What about a poem?
	He's never had a dream.
	He's never dreamt!
	Not Mike Union, Manchurian Candidate, that's the one.
	Yeah, Manchurian Candidate, yeah.
	But then he says in this quote, I am who I am, I know what I am.
	What?
	What are you?
	No, I know who I am, I know what I am.
	It's like Mark Zuckerberg going, I was human once.
	Hey, he's on his human streak right now.
	He's been working on it.
	That is very interesting.
	So strange!
	From the T-1000 that has arrived to control the country.
	Of course, everyone asks whose name I have tattooed on me and the answer is none.
	Of course he doesn't have tattoos.
	Again, that would imply a personality.
	And he says, you ask me questions that I've never asked myself.
	That may seem funny, but part of being Keir, brackets, he sometimes talks about himself in the third person.
	That is weird.
	He's just piling on.
	Knowing what I'm doing, knowing where I've got to go, without allowing myself time to stop and have a discussion with myself, I've just got to keep this thing going.
	Like, he doesn't have an internal monologue.
	He's never thought about it, so he's never done any self-reflection.
	He doesn't enjoy entertainment.
	You reckon he's got any art in his house?
	I mean, he lives with other people, so maybe they put it up, but like, why would he?
	If he hasn't got a favourite poem, he obviously doesn't have a favourite piece of art.
	He's got a family, I assume.
	He does have a family, yeah, and we'll get to that as well, because it's very bizarre.
	But it's just...
	But part of being Keir is just plowing on.
	I love the third person.
	That's crazy.
	I know what I am.
	I am the Keir Starmobot 2000.
	Part of being Keir is getting the job done.
	This guy's in charge.
	Non-ironically referring to yourself in the third person is... It is kind of a disorder.
	It's crazy.
	And he doesn't seem to think in his own head either, right?
	Zuby agrees.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Zuby agrees.
	Look, this is a friendly interview by The Guardian only a week or two- last month, a couple months ago.
	Like, you know, they're trying to give you his positive side, and he comes across like an actual machine.
	Like, I don't have sides.
	Yeah, I don't- what do you mean?
	And so- Just look here.
	On his face- and this- I'm reading just direct quotes from this article, right?
	Right.
	On his face was a genuine expression of bemusement when I asked him about his emotional inner life.
	What?!
	Can we just get his face up while we look at this?
	It's like- I feel like- It's funny because the Guardian would obviously be friendly to him.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And even there, like, he's a bot.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, this is the sort of thing that Data from Star Trek would respond with.
	What do you mean my emotional inner life, right?
	I'm guessing that he never did therapy.
	He says no, no, no, no.
	He's not saying this is the only way to live.
	As long as you do therapy when you don't have emotions.
	Exactly!
	What therapy for what?
	He can't be upset about anything.
	Uh, he says, I'm self-aware enough not to go into the side alleys to have a chat with myself about these things.
	So he's never even like explored the depths of his own soul.
	He's like, no, Keir doesn't do that.
	Uh, Keir doesn't have emotions.
	Keir doesn't, it just, this is crazy.
	That's weird.
	I mean, he genuinely comes off like a psychopath.
	That is so weird.
	I can only say it's just weird.
	Yeah, it's bizarre.
	A communist robot that has been programmed to operate within the political environment.
	Interesting.
	I've genuinely been fascinated by his total absence of charisma.
	And now you know.
	Because regardless of who a politician or public figure is, most have some essence of charisma.
	I don't need to remotely like them or agree with them or whatever.
	Even like Kamala's got her little...
	Yeah, Jeremy Corbyn has charisma.
	He's got a personality.
	With Keira, I'm just like, I don't know.
	There's just nothing to like.
	That's literally it.
	There's nothing to like.
	There's nothing there.
	If you had an opinion one way or another, I could like or dislike it.
	If it was a colour, he'd just be grey, that's it.
	I feel like I'm like, do you like your toaster?
	And it's like, well, I mean, toast bread, I mean, I don't know.
	Never thought about it.
	I'll replace it when it breaks, you know, which is basically what Keir Starmer is.
	He's asked, is he more ruthless than Blair?
	Guess his answer.
	Not thought about it.
	Never thought about it.
	I don't know, he says, I've never thought about it.
	Direct quote.
	Oh my gosh.
	They asked the same of a senior Labour insider who simply replies yes.
	And we can see that he is way more ruthless than Blair.
	He is totally unfeeling.
	He came into the party and just excised about a third of it instantly, saying, no, you're all gone now, without any remorse.
	So that was just like, OK.
	He was named Spectator's Politician of the Year in 2022.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	He doesn't seem to know either.
	Spectator?
	He got an award for this, right?
	And he passed the award to his son, and his son quote, didn't even look up from the telly.
	He took it and said, how did you blag that then?
	And passed it back.
	That's a fair question.
	Yeah, that's a fair question.
	How old was his son?
	16, I think.
	Spectator used to be centre-right.
	I know.
	I have no idea why they would get- I mean, God only knows.
	They could see that he was going to be the Prime Minister and they're lining up in his face.
	Yeah, trying to get some good graces, but that would imply that Keir Starmer had emotions.
	We'll make Keir Starmer like us.
	No, that's not possible.
	Keir Starmer does not like us.
	Keir Starmer doesn't like, he doesn't hate, he just exists.
	It's not I don't like you, I just don't like you.
	It's just mad.
	So this is a very different response I get to my kids.
	Whenever I do anything with my kids, my kids are always very happy to do it.
	If I ever accomplish something, my kids are always very thrilled that I've accomplished something.
	They're the most thrilled people in the world.
	Yeah, I'm not special or unique in this way.
	I'm a normal person.
	Unlike Keir, right?
	And so they ask him about his family.
	So, you know, he says, well, it's not a case of walking through the door and having minutes of bliss.
	No one asks, how was your day?
	Or recount the brilliant things that happened today.
	It's straight into a row about which one of them wants pizza and which one of them wants something else, like, you know, takeaway or something.
	Or there's an argument about what we had last week.
	And so it's just very...
	That's so sad.
	It's very mechanical, it's very procedural.
	It's like, okay, well last week you had a fish and chips, so this week, you know, Sandra's getting pizza.
	Depressing.
	It's very depressing.
	Like, whenever I go in, and I don't, again, I'm not just bragging or something.
	When I go in, my kids are happy to see me, and I'm happy to see them.
	I play games with them.
	Anyway.
	You have a motion score.
	I am a human.
	I was born as a human man.
	Oh boy.
	You know, and I grew up in normal society.
	Tin man.
	I didn't, I didn't willingly go to the Soviet Union.
	And so, they get onto his life as a lawyer, and this is just remarkable, because suddenly, the care bot has emotions.
	The care bot has emotions, but he only has emotions for people who have killed children.
	Oh.
	Bad emotions.
	You might render them that way, yes.
	So, they say he represented prisoners on death row in Jamaica, where the loss of hope was palpable, where there was no light, no toilet, where the people he sat down with in suffocating heat were certain they were about to die.
	I mean, they were on death row, so yeah, they were about to die.
	Quote, and this is Keir Starmer speaking, these are experiences that are legal, but they're also human.
	Yes, that is a human experience, that is a human experience.
	Again, See, outside of the frame of being a human, it's like, ah, there is a human experience.
	Right.
	Right.
	Let's have a look at some of the prisoners that Keir Starmer was desperately trying to save.
	The only people that he's displayed any empathy for so far, in my explorations of him, were the worst people in the world, actually.
	People I personally would execute with my own hands, were I to be like, okay, you need to press a button to put that person on death row, I'd be like, yeah, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
	Because, for example, he helped What about Jamaican Lambert Watson who slaughtered his girlfriend and nine-month-old baby by stabbing them in the neck?
	Gone.
	What about Malawian murderer Francis Kafiantia, who tied up his two-year-old stepson before burying him alive?
	Gone.
	Buenge Patrick was one of the 417 monsters granted a reprieve from hanging after Sir Keir Starmer helped overturn Uganda's laws on mandatory death penalties in 2005.
	This particular guy had murdered his girlfriend by setting fire to her house before pushing her inside.
	He then chopped her in the head with an axe, strangled her, all while her children looked on.
	No, Keir.
	Keir, I can't hang them quickly enough.
	Keir Starmer's like, oh my god.
	These poor, poor murderers.
	Unbelievable!
	I can understand the lawyer being impassionate about that, or kind of thinking, this is the law, I'm not going to side either way, but being empathetic towards that is... I struggle with that.
	It's really common.
	It is!
	Maybe I just have like an interesting background because like my family's from Nigeria, grew up in Saudi Arabia, but I'm also British, so I'm kind of like Western but I'm not.
	And when I see people in the West's attitude like towards like say the death penalty, And like, you know, people are so opposed, even like in the most clear cut, most obvious case.
	And I'm just very confused by where the sympathy lies.
	Yeah.
	I feel the same, you know, like, what do you say, 250,000 abortions here per year, 1 million per year in the US.
	Zero compassion for those babies.
	Completely dehumanized.
	Don't care.
	Like they celebrate.
	They were doing performance abortions outside the DNC.
	In fact, the empathy is for the person committing the murder.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, these are the most innocent souls.
	These are the most innocent human beings that ever existed.
	Never had an opportunity to commit a crime.
	And so it's like complete callousness in that regard.
	And then you could have someone who callously goes and murders.
	Five, ten, twenty people, children, whatever, chops them up, does the most horrific stuff, and people will be like, oh no no, it's an injustice for that person to have the death penalty.
	And I'm- Crazy!
	That's where, like, I find it really puzzling.
	just in the same way as like when people side, again, there's mostly lefties who do this, of course, but like these situations where a man identifies as a woman and goes into a prison, a boxing ring, an athletics tracks, whatever, and you are sympathizing, your sympathy falls on the side of the and you are sympathizing, your sympathy falls on the side of the man who is rather than all of these people, all these girls in these cases, girls and women who are,
	Well, the murder victims in this case, like, just get back to it.
	It's so bizarre.
	I know, it's unfathomable, isn't it?
	I don't get it.
	He has no empathy at all for people who have not committed a crime.
	It's an inversion.
	Totally an inversion.
	Yeah, it's an inversion.
	To evil and to evil.
	Yeah, it's an inversion.
	He was a founding member of what was called the Death Penalty Project, which was a team that launched several bids to scrap the death sentence for heinous crimes across Africa and the Caribbean.
	This was between 2002 and 2014, covering his assent as junior lawyer to the Director of Public Prosecutions.
	What's his interest in Africa and the Caribbean?
	I've no idea.
	But what's his interest in, like, making sure that these murderers and rapists and the worst people that could possibly have ever walked the earth aren't removed from it?
	Yeah, if you want to help, if you want to help these countries, you don't help these countries by preventing people who do heinous stuff like this.
	Not even slightly!
	I mean, like, if you want to help, go help, but... But, I mean... He's a comic boy.
	He's an evil comic boy.
	Yeah, he's, he's, yeah, he's, he's totally emotionless when it comes to normal people.
	But I mean, listen to this, right?
	In one of the blog posts that he wrote for the Death Penalty Project, he said of meeting the death row felons, quote, For three hours, we sat in the hot sun talking to the inmates about their case.
	They sang, they talked, they laughed.
	These people murdered children.
	Like, having worked on similar cases elsewhere in the world, we thought we were fairly hardened, but no one could have left that prison unmoved.
	I would have been strangling them myself.
	Like, are you mad?
	Not long ago, I watched, um, I watched something.
	I think it was on YouTube, but it was from decades ago.
	And it was maybe from like 95 or 96 after the Rwandan genocide.
	And they went to the prisons where a lot of the people who participated in it were being held.
	And again, it's like, there was someone in it who's like, You know, talking about how bad their conditions are and everything.
	I was like, these people literally genocided their neighbors.
	And your sympathy is, oh, they're packed in too tight.
	They're still alive.
	Oh, by the way, I brought up El Salvador earlier.
	You see the same thing.
	When you see the pushback against Bukele and what he's doing, it's people saying, oh, well, look at the conditions that they're in.
	Do you know who these people are and what they have been doing to their countrymen for decades?
	You know how many people that person you're talking about has killed?
	No, you don't, but he's definitely killed someone.
	Yeah.
	These people, like, head to toe.
	It's not even some of these, like, head to toe.
	It's like MS-13 on your forehead.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	It's just like, that guy's not innocent, bro.
	You have to rape or murder someone to get into the gang.
	Like, it's just like...
	Okay yeah anyway so like he's got no ability to empathize at all right so this is while he was campaigning back in June where a young girl was coming up and as you can see that it described that how they were too poor to afford blankets during the winter and I mean I just I was pleased So in the winter months we have to sleep with like blankets on our bed and like a fleece and like a onesie.
	Oh yeah.
	Because it's so much to like pay for the heating so we don't have to have it on all night.
	So you zip yourself into a onesie?
	Yeah.
	Just so like don't freeze.
	My boy's 15 now, 6 foot 1, so I've lifted quite a big onesie.
	Cheesy.
	Yeah.
	That's right.
	No, I'm free.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Well, like, it's hard because, like, but it's good that you and Daddy both work.
	I think he was attempting to empathize and it came out totally wrong.
	I think he thinks that humans would respond in a particular way in this situation.
	And so yeah, my boy wears a onesie, it's like, here, you're a millionaire.
	I can hear someone in his ear saying, this is a compassionate moment, that looks sad.
	He's got this kind of confused look on his face, doesn't he?
	He's just like, hmm, I need to process this in some way.
	I realize that, you know, a human would Insert joke here.
	Make it relatable.
	This person's a lefty, right?
	And they're just like, you know, I can't believe how awful this guy is.
	You know, he just does not give a single F about children living in squalor.
	You know, he totally doesn't.
	He can't relate and he doesn't care.
	Murderers, of course.
	He's like, oh wow, these poor psychopaths, my people.
	That's all I can assume.
	And like, you know, first things first.
	Well, I mean, we've got massive black on the finances.
	So that's granny's pension payment, the winter fuel payment gone.
	We are still going to make sure that, of course, the people who invade our country on boats are put up in hotels.
	Those payments are going to go through.
	Your gran is going to go cold.
	And so unsurprisingly, people are like, you know, he seems to be a bit of a political robot.
	Like, so this was at a Sky question time, this questions for leaders meant.
	And this is just remarkable.
	If it'll play.
	I admired how in touch you were with the public when you were obviously a solicitor and then you became Director of Public Prosecutions with CPS.
	But over the last year I feel like you've formed into more of a politician than the person that I would have voted for to run the country.
	You seem more like a political robot.
	How are you going to convince others like me to vote for you?
	Well, um...
	The most...
	System error.
	Orbs, I...
	I went to run the Crown Prosecution Service, you referenced that.
	I was the Chief Prosecutor for five years, effectively bringing in every criminal prosecution in England and Wales, including here in Grimsby, in our courts to make sure that where people broke the law, they were prosecuted and you were kept safe as a result of that.
	And he didn't ask for your CV.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He asked for, why should I vote for you on human terms?
	And he's like, well, I'm going to put you in jail.
	That wasn't what I was asking for.
	And so anyway, people online have been noticing this, and unsurprisingly, it's the Starmanator, right?
	He's literally an evil robot that's been sent back in time to destroy us, and he doesn't understand human emotions, and he just kills.
	And... I mean... How are they wrong?
	People have their faith in the wrong place, don't they?
	They really do.
	Oh, they really do.
	Not just here, but even just in politics in general, man.
	I mean, we're really in a spiritual battle here in the West.
	And even saying that term falls flat with a lot of people, which shows how disconnected people have become from that whole concept.
	Look at the moral compass of Keir Starmer.
	Just look at who he does give moral consideration to and who doesn't give moral Thing is, to me though, it really is the unit party.
	I mean, this country was run by conservatives for pretty much the last, what, 14 years?
	Yeah.
	Straight.
	And they were terrible.
	And what happened?
	I mean, what was conserved?
	What actually?
	So yeah, sure, it might accelerate now, but what needs to happen is an actual change of direction, and it just seems you can have You know, it's like that Michael Malice quote, right?
	Progressivism is, as you say, conservatism is just progressivism driving the speed limit, and that's really what's being exemplified.
	I just can't get over just genuinely how evil I find Keir Starmer.
	Like, he's soulless, an empty man who has no personality, and the only time he ever expresses what I would consider to be a human emotion is when the poor criminals on death row, the murderers on death row, are having a hard time of it.
	We saw this last month in the riots when people reached the point of enough is enough.
	The protests turned to riots.
	Ordinary working class British people were getting out there on the streets and he turns around and says, we need to give more money to Muslims.
	We need to protect the mosques.
	It's crazy.
	Anyway, we'll leave that there.
	Theengagedfew says, a great book about Rwanda is, we wish to inform you that tomorrow we will be killed together with our families.
	Which, I mean, I read a couple of books on the right.
	It's just the worst thing a human has done.
	A million people in...
	100 days.
	It's thriving now.
	It's amazing.
	and then he goes for you again it's thriving now it's amazing yeah it is it is it says Keir Starmer sounds like he has polyester children and a double knit wife I mean I'm you know I'm sure his children are lovely.
	I've just never heard that term, polyester children.
	That's an interesting term.
	We'll skip the video comments just for the sake of time.
	Edward Longshank says, Zubu brings the kind of positivity we need to get through these next five years of labour.
	How positive are you feeling after looking at the way things are going?
	Dude, um, I left the country three years ago.
	Yeah.
	Um, and it was, yeah, it was, it was very bittersweet.
	It really was.
	Um, I didn't want to leave kind of on the terms that I did, but this was, this was 2021.
	This was when, um, People like myself who are organic, shall we say, did not want to take a certain something and, you know, we're being massively threatened and saying there might prevent people from traveling and stop people.
	And I was like, all right, I guess I got to leave now.
	And yeah, that's never been atoned for, even slightly.
	So yeah, I love the UK in many ways, and I've got lots of people here I love, but the country is really on a bad trajectory.
	I know.
	It gives me no joy saying that.
	Like, I'm an optimist by nature, and I will say that I don't think things are as bad as they may look on social media, but things are not trending in a positive In a positive way.
	None of the signs are good.
	No, it's not going in a good way.
	I spend a lot of time in the U.S.
	and Americans are very concerned about the U.S.
	as is the rest of the world, but I think that maybe just because of the size and scale and wealth and variety of the nation, They're a bit more anti-fragile.
	Yeah.
	Um, whereas in the UK, it's kind of like if crap goes down, it really goes down, right?
	There's no Texas you can move to or Florida or, right?
	It's in the States.
	It's like, okay, California might get messed up, but you can balance without leaving the whole nation.
	You've got 49 other options.
	Whereas here it's kind of like.
	Smile Island.
	What are you going to do, move to Scotland?
	Yeah, where are you going to go?
	It's worse.
	Buy an island in Scotland.
	Well, there is that too.
	People are just being squeezed too hard, man.
	There needs to be some optimism and genuine good leadership.
	How do you think things can turn around?
	Do you want me to give you the most honest answer?
	Yeah.
	Return to Christ, man.
	Amen.
	Return to Christ in tradition.
	People need the faith.
	The incomplete... People are here, you know, whether they consider themselves Christian or not, I saw, you know, Richard Dawkins a few weeks ago, you know, you saw that viral clip where he was complaining about, you know, churches being... churches and cathedrals, you know, some being turned into mosques or being turned into whatever, and this, and he was like, you know, I quite like cathedrals, and this is like, bro, you've spent your entire career You spent your entire career, like, there's no vacuum.
	Again, there's no power vacuum.
	Something will replace this.
	You're not going to just like whip out people's religiosity and they just believe in nothing.
	No, they'll believe in the state, they'll believe in politics, they'll believe in leftism, feminism, whatever-ism or schism, but it's not going to be neutral.
	And I think more and more people are starting to wake up to that, but on the deepest level I think that's what would be needed.
	Rue the Day says, I personally have not once dumped plastic on the ground or in water ever, yet now I'm having to suck on a paper straw held together by God knows what.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	It's all collective punishment in America.
	Oh, the best is that some of the paper straws, aren't some of them still wrapped in plastic?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	Sometimes they come in a plastic wrap, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Angelbrain says, you cannot allow communities to police themselves, it will always arrive in petty tyranny as the most extreme individuals will dominate the area.
	Yeah, that's another particular problem.
	It's like, okay, we're going to let them police themselves.
	It's like, okay, do we not have any idea of justice anymore?
	Is that not something that concerns us?
	That's probably my major concern at the moment with the UK.
	I don't think we have a fair and equitable justice system.
	No, not even slightly.
	We've got time to investigate people for social media posts.
	Part of the unfairness.
	I thought, am I going to get arrested at the airport?
	It's a genuine thought that crossed my mind.
	Where are we right now?
	That's wild.
	Can I ask you guys both a question?
	Yeah, of course.
	Maybe you haven't thought about this before and I'm not even trying to urge you in either direction.
	I'm just curious as to what your line is.
	What would it take for you to leave the UK?
	How bad would it have to get for you to be like, you know what, I'm taking myself and my family and we're going to go somewhere else.
	How bad would it have to be?
	I mean, for me personally, it would have to be a direct threat to my children, but then I would probably send them somewhere else because I'd want to stay myself and try and fix the problem.
	Yeah.
	No matter what it took, basically.
	So my kids could come back.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	I haven't talked about it publicly yet, but I am going to leave.
	I'll talk about it properly on my Common Sense Crusade at 3pm, but yes, I am going to leave the UK.
	I love this country, but I don't feel safe here anymore.
	That says a lot in itself.
	Okay.
	I'm always curious as to like... Where are people's lines?
	Yeah, where are people's lines?
	Where it would just be like, you know... Kevin says, the KIA, the only creation that can make the original Terminator appear caring and compassionate?
	Well, I mean...
	I'd rather be having to deal with the original Terminator than Keir Starmer, so there's more chance of persuading it.
	Culture Thug says, Keir Starmer has clearly grown in a lab to be the perfect manager of a mid-range furniture store, and through some wacky series of events has stumbled into running the country.
	Rude The Day says, this is not a real human person, lads.
	You are being managed by a droid.
	Yep, it looks that way.
	Arizona Desert Rat says, he looks and behaves like an NPC.
	He actually does look like the NPC meme.
	Omar says, Starmer Senior created a tool to rival Oppenheimer.
	And now I've become deaf and disturbing.
	Yeah, he's always like, oh, my father was a toolmaker.
	So yeah, but we didn't think he was Geppetto.
	Like, we didn't think he actually... We thought he made other... Anyway.
	What did he do?
	I'm not aware.
	He always says, oh, my father was a toolmaker.
	And now I'm just thinking of Geppetto from Nokia.
	He's come to life, but he's not become a real boy.
	OK, gotcha, gotcha.
	It's just...
	In the most literal sense, his father carved him out of wood.
	I just can't believe how one man can have so many years on the earth and so little to show for it.
	Yeah.
	Have you seen Joe Biden?
	Well, Joe Biden probably would be like... Joe Biden, he wasn't insane when he was young.
	He likes ice cream, so he at least has a taste.
	Joe Biden does have, like you say, he has a charisma about him.
	Joe Biden probably is like, yeah, my favourite book is X and my favourite poem is Y, I like this food.
	Keir Starmer's like, yeah, I can't remember why I'm here.
	Food.
	Paul says, there was a time when those in authority had to open their Bibles when considering how to righteously govern.
	Bring it back.
	You shall have the same rule for the Sojourner as for the native, for I am the Lord your God.
	Leviticus 24, 22.
	I mean, that would make sense.
	That would be a good idea.
	Derek says, data before you got the emotion chip was more human than Keir Starmer.
	It's only from Keir Starmer's own words that you're saying this.
	Jimbo says, Starmer again saying there are progressive and democratic answers to the challenges we face going forward.
	If only we knew who had created these challenges to begin with.
	I'm sure the democratic solution will be to continue like this, like it or not.
	No doubts, frankly.
	I'm at the point where I mean, if I thought Keir Starmer had emotions, I would be thinking that he's deliberately trying to provoke the country against him, right?
	Because, I mean, his response to the riots was essentially summed up in, you don't have valid concerns and I'm not listening.
	And these, I could, I probably will do like little, I'll go through his speeches and just clip out those particular parts, because he said them in a context, but that's what people really heard.
	It's like, you don't have valid concerns.
	I'm not listening to you.
	We're going to spend 30 million protecting mosques.
	It's like, okay, great.
	And so it's just, it just seems that he's trying to make everyone hate him.
	Yeah, I'm gonna ban your smoking now.
	And by the way, I'm gonna increase your taxes.
	I'm gonna take away the payments for your nan.
	I'm gonna, I'm gonna make you suffer, is Keir saying.
	Things are gonna get worse.
	Literal quotes.
	Is there any Western nation that in the past 15 to 20 years has like, shifted rightwards or conservative?
	Oh, uh, quite a few on the continent.
	Germany's going very conservative at this point.
	Italy, Hungary.
	Yeah.
	So they're more conservative now than they were say in 2010?
	Definitely.
	Or 2015?
	Definitely.
	There's a reaction.
	Especially in Germany with the youth.
	The AFD has something like 50% of the youth vote or something like that at this point.
	It's really high.
	Because the young people in Germany are like, oh wow, we've been sold out.
	Same with the young French in France.
	They swing heavily for Le Pen.
	Because they're like, hang on a second, isn't globalism a bad thing?
	You know what, I don't think I asked the question well.
	I don't mean like, in the hard political sense.
	I kind of meant more like, socio-culturally.
	Not really.
	Because I feel like what's happening there is like a reactionary response to a leftward shift.
	Right.
	I think like everything's gone left and then they're kind of like okay it's going so far that way we need to vote.
	I don't, I don't know, I don't think socially things have... The only one I would say is Hungary when they're encouraging people to have families and giving them tax breaks, that kind of stuff.
	Yeah.
	I'd say that's the only exception.
	It seems that people are outsourcing this moral change to the government.
	The thing I find really fascinating is like, the UK is perhaps the best example of this, because on paper, like I said, you've had conservative government in charge.
	If you think of all the madness that's happened in the past like 14 years, and pretty much all of that was under a so-called conservative government, all of the trans stuff, all of the like weird gender stuff, all the weird LGBT stuff, like all the immigration stuff like all of it it's like okay if that's a conservative government then where are the options yeah what's going on and in the states the same way people are like who's actually running in the country like who's it seems like no matter how we vote certain agendas are just like
	Well, it's definitely not Joe Biden running the country, that's the thing.
	And everyone very obviously can see that.
	But right, so we have literally about a minute left.
	Zuby, where can people find more of you?
	Sure, I'm on X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, all the same handle, at Zuby Music, Z-U-B-Y Music.
	And if you get lost, just go to zubymusic.com and you'll find links to everything.
	Great.
	Thanks so much for coming in, man.
	It's always a pleasure.
	No, man, I appreciate it, man.
	Always a pleasure.
	Right, so that's all from us, folks, for... No, no, no, not today.
	No, come back in half an hour, because Calvin will be doing his Common Sense Crusade.

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