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	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters.
	It's the moment podcast fans around the world have been waiting for.
	Yes.
	It is Tuesday...
	The 13th of August in the year of our rule 2024, I'm joined by Dan Tubb.
	Hello!
	And Catherine Blakelock.
	Hello!
	So today there's not that much shilling.
	I wasn't made aware of any shilling to begin with, so we'll just jump straight in.
	Catherine, we're going to do your segment and you're going to talk all about the freedom of speech is under fire.
	Yes.
	So obviously we've had a tumultuous couple of weeks.
	I just refer you up to the screen.
	I vaguely know Atchard Patriot.
	I don't know who York's Rose was.
	I met Active Patriot when I was filming on the docks of Dover.
	And as far as I'm aware, he has been one of the most active people filming day after day in Dover of illegal migrants.
	So this is the guy who's been filming the boats basically since the start?
	Yes, right from the start.
	And I actually met Nigel on those docks as well.
	Right.
	He was filming.
	And so it appears that Active Patriot has been arrested.
	And like many of the events this week, we don't get full information.
	I think he's a working class guy and he's probably not got any legal representation.
	But we have had a number of people like that being picked off.
	And the question comes, we have no First Amendment.
	What is it that makes you get picked off?
	Am I going to get picked off?
	Is Nigel going to get picked off?
	Nigel Farage?
	We don't know.
	For example, is the word illegal immigrant, is that insightful?
	The wording is so vague.
	So you can be, people have been arrested for very obvious things like saying that, you know, immigration, migrant hotels should be burnt down.
	But people appear to have been arrested as well for simply talking about illegal migration or posting too many films.
	So this could be hubris and I could be entirely wrong but I suspect what you hinted at the beginning there is the correct thing which is he's working class and he won't have good legal representation that's the kind of person they go after because if you look at what you know what what Douglas Murray or you know even I say about the subject You know, at the heart of it, it's not wildly different to what a lot of these guys are saying.
	The difference is if they go off to Douglas Murray or I, you know, the first call we make is to a very expensive lawyer and they will have to spend months going through that.
	And then if they put me in a courtroom, you know, they want to put me in front of a court and I'll say, well, I'm not taking the...
	What do you call them?
	The magistrates.
	I'm not taking that.
	I want a full trial and then I'm going to stand there and give the full presentation and I will eat up a vast amount of their budget going through this.
	Whereas the working class guys are just going to say, oh, just give me the appointed guy and let's just do it a magistrate.
	And also their language is a little bit different, you know, a bit rougher.
	I mean, Douglas Murray is talking about re-migration.
	Correct.
	Correct.
	So yes, so what is horrifying about this entire thing is, you know, are the words illegal immigration going to be insightful?
	And we're getting to the point where it appears that.
	There was a very funny one where, this is a Sikh guy, an Indian who's a supporter of Tommy Robinson, and he said 700 dinghy wallets arrived yesterday.
	I don't know if you know, but a wallah is a chai wallah.
	It's a guy who serves tea in India.
	It means sort of like a bod.
	Right.
	Like a cleaner wallah, a dinghy wallah.
	So we can all talk now about dinghy wallahs.
	Maybe that will be a bit more... Did he get arrested, or...?
	Well, no, he's not been arrested, but...
	I think it's very deliberately ambiguous though.
	I mean, like in 1984, the party, Big Brother, will change the rules and doesn't tell anyone.
	And that's part of the game.
	That's part of the terrifying nature of it that you don't know.
	You see, America has a First Amendment and it's very, very clear, really.
	It's pretty clear.
	It allows Holocaust deniers.
	That's not a problem for America.
	But when it is specifically targeted at a person, and that is why For example, we're going to go on to Wes Streeting's... Hold on, let's see where Wes Streeting is.
	Here we are, Wes Streeting.
	Wes Streeting has targeted individuals here very, very specifically by name.
	Now that, in my opinion, and I'm not a lawyer, but under First Amendment rights, that would not be protected.
	Certainly if there was considered a direct threat to those people.
	And obviously... So this is a Labour MP and he's talking about... He's the health minister.
	Oh, the health minister?
	He's now... We're streeting the health minister.
	But for those who are listening, he's making the case for pushing a particular woman under a train.
	Who is, I believe, a Daily Mail journalist.
	And of course, followed by Gert Wilders, who is the politician in Holland, what we call the right wing, far right.
	Now we also of course had Ricky Jones who said that he would like to cut the throats of all fascists.
	So hang on, this was the Labour councillor and he came out saying that we should cut the throat of the rioters?
	Cut the throats of all fascists.
	But by that he basically means the entire working class?
	I think he means about 60% of the British population.
	Yes.
	I mean, we go back to... I think he has been... He has been arrested, but he hasn't been charged.
	And so we've got people who have already been... Again, this is the really weird thing about the legal process.
	The courts are in chaos.
	The Small Claims Court takes two years to get through.
	Generally, even remand people are taking nine months.
	And some of these people have been sentenced in two days to three years.
	It doesn't make sense if you look at it as the system as a whole.
	If you look at it in terms of our friends don't get prosecuted and our enemies do get prosecuted, well then it suddenly makes sense.
	Yeah, I think, I don't know, we go to the link.
	There was one tweet there, but the middle one by West Streeting.
	Yeah.
	Put that back up.
	And that's quite remarkable, even if it's sort of tongue-in-cheek and he's not being serious, but he says, considering starting my own vigilante organization to push nasty people under trains first up January, I'm not following.
	I think she's a journalist.
	That's a mad thing to say.
	If you said exactly the same thing but you said, I don't know, immigrants, or you named an immigrant person or something, you would most definitely be arrested for that.
	For example, Femi.
	Let's say we named Femi and said we would like to push him under a trade and start a vigilante group against him.
	100% you'd go to jail for that.
	100% you go to travel in this country for that.
	Yeah.
	It's funny the engagement you've got on that.
	Three likes.
	So let's just have a quick look at the headline for the Romanian.
	Can you move it on to where the Romanian is?
	Hold on.
	Sorry about this.
	Which Romanian?
	Is that the one who had a diversity episode in Leicester Square yesterday?
	No, he's the Romanian.
	Here we are, this one.
	This is a new one, yesterday, two days ago.
	Now, this to me looks like, oh, let's get a bit equal so that we're not two-tier.
	So this guy, I mean, I bet he's shocked.
	He, I think, did a TikTok saying that he was being chased by some far-right people.
	It wasn't true.
	And it wasn't true, and he's got three months.
	Now, even that I find quite extraordinary that he has been charged.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that either.
	I don't agree with it at all.
	But it is weird that they did that because normally, I mean, well for a start it's three months.
	Yes, not 36.
	Of course, yeah, you would have got somewhere between 20 and 36 if it was the other way around.
	But interesting that they're trying to That's an equalisation job, in my opinion.
	Well, this comes, of course, after two weeks of Elon Musk calling Keir Starmer two-tier Keir.
	Yeah.
	So they needed to try and show something.
	So what are the details of this?
	Is that all he did?
	He claimed he was being chased by a far-right mob and wasn't.
	Is that all he did?
	That's what he did.
	In a TikTok video apparently.
	And it got 700 views, which wasn't exactly sort of going viral, was it?
	No.
	I bet he's a bit shocked himself.
	Absolutely horrified.
	I mean...
	Yes, he lied, obviously, but was he insightful?
	This is the issue.
	The other issue is the Conservative councillor, she said when she named, theoretically, the Muslim who had done the Southport stabbings, and she said something like, supposedly, or it appears that way, it might be.
	She had prefaced it.
	Well, did she?
	She did preface it.
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	Yes.
	She prefaced it.
	I mean, I made a mistake.
	Hang on, hang on.
	She's gone to jail for 36 months for saying that this thing might be true.
	That he was a Muslim, that this is a Muslim asylum seeker named whatever.
	Oh, dear God.
	Now, the point is, if she had said, I believe the guy, it'd be very interesting as well, because if she'd said, I believe the guy is David Jones and he's a criminal, or if she'd said his name is Amit Patel, what the response would it be?
	I'm convinced they would have been different according to what name you had used.
	I mean, there's a specific thing that if you say you might be a Muslim, then it's going to be much worse than an Indian or a Nepalese guy.
	Protected groups are encoded in law.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So I just want to talk a bit about the communities issue.
	Hold on.
	I'm not sure I can get... Right.
	This is a really interesting issue.
	So this brings us back on to Nigel.
	There is some evidence that support for Nigel during this is going down and not up by some polls, Sky produced one.
	Probably not reliable then, but.
	The first point about this is, is who, you know, we seem to have clearly people in the Islamic community and in the Roma community who are leaders and you can talk to, and I don't know who, you know, you'd have mosque leaders.
	Please seem to know who they are.
	They seem to know who they are.
	Who are our leaders?
	I mean, who is a working class leader in a community in Hull?
	Well, every time somebody sticks their head above the parapet they get harassed and their lives destroyed until they either give up, flee the country or go to jail.
	Yes, but the point is that Nigel Is effectively.
	There are two leaders we have really at the moment.
	One of them is Tommy Robinson and one of them is Nigel and if anybody could lead it would be Nigel and I do speak to Nigel and I said you should go to Southport.
	You should be now standing up and you should risk arrest and it doesn't matter what the left say because they'll call you Thugs in suits, as we saw in one of those tweets, a BBC journalist called him a thug in a suit.
	And this is what I feel is really wrong at the moment, is that instead of standing up, he's effectively been hiding.
	He's hardly said anything at all.
	I would like to see him come out as like a firebrand.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely standing on the principles of free speech very, very strongly.
	Not him though, is it?
	Like, it's not as important anymore that he keeps his powder dryer for Radio 4.
	That's less important now.
	I've said to him, life has moved on, Nigel.
	This might have worked five years ago, ten years ago.
	This isn't a strategy anymore.
	We have moved into a new period.
	We've moved into a totalitarian Marxist Left-wing government who are going to use every legal means and you will not be able to distinguish your free speech from Tommy Robinson's free speech or our free speech.
	To which Nigel replied that, you know, he wasn't going to be associated with people who advocated violence.
	Now actually that is quite offensive to people, all of us around this table.
	There's no way we advocate violence and I don't really think that Tommy Robinson has advocated violence at all.
	But, you know, this was a Mandela moment.
	This was a moment where, you know, you could have stood in the street in Southport and even got yourself arrested and said or asked people to stop and made some proposals about what Keir Starmer should do and what you would like to do.
	Well, I mean, bear in mind that they have got to the point with this where Even attending one of these things, even if you did nothing, I mean the judge has said even if you simply stood to one side and watched it unfold, that is a jailable offence.
	And there was a man with a dog who was trying to get through who got arrested.
	He was trying to go home and he was just knocked to the floor.
	I mean we are in a You know, we're in Venezuela, we're in the Soviet Union now.
	There's only a small line between this and the end of elections, between total lawfare, between arresting all your political opponents.
	Um, you know, not just a question of picking them off, but actually arresting them.
	And events are moving so quickly.
	I mean, we can see, for example, here.
	Well, this is a panicky, brittle government.
	Um, hold on.
	Well, going back to that, look, that is where we've got a BBC.
	He's worked for the BBC.
	Nigel Farage is a thug in a suit.
	Just, you know... Joel really isn't thuggish, is he?
	He's not thuggish.
	He hasn't got thug life tattooed on his stomach like T-Pac, has he?
	No, but not really.
	If you were going to the football terraces, you wouldn't want Nigel watching your back, would you?
	I mean, it's not...
	I don't think Nigel carries around brass knucks with him or anything like that, right?
	He's not thuggish.
	But this is a point where you needed strong somebody to lead, not Elon Musk from the other side of the world.
	I mean, the Conservatives have been silent, just totally silent.
	I haven't seen an enormous amount.
	I've seen a bit of Richard Tice.
	He's actually stood up.
	I think Alex Phillips has done a good job.
	She's been more vocal than Nigel has.
	I would like to see Nigel getting a bit angry.
	Show a bit of emotion.
	You know, come on.
	Come on, we're dying for it.
	And not throw, you know, as we, who is it?
	Dominic Frisby, who did, he's a comedian.
	He's been on here a few times.
	He said, you know, we're all far right now.
	Nigel should not have thrown Tommy Robinson under the bus.
	He should not have thrown them, that they are all Right wing thugs.
	You cannot have 60 million, sorry, 60%, 70% of the population, i.e.
	ordinary people as right wing thugs.
	And it was just the wrong thing to say.
	And, I mean, again, I don't know, sorry, these are not whether I've, sorry.
	What are you looking for?
	I'm looking for that poll.
	Here we are.
	Um...
	Support for Nigel Farage plummets amid UK riots.
	He tries to have his cake and eat it too.
	Now I don't know what the numbers are on this.
	And also it's coming from Sky News.
	It is coming from Sky News.
	But let's put it this way.
	Let's go back to the last, let's go back to Covid.
	Nigel did not stand up in Covid.
	He did not at all.
	He led the seeds for this totalitarian government to be put in place.
	He said nothing to help anybody.
	He did bang a pot in solidarity with the NHS though.
	Yes, but Piers Corbyn, Geoff Wyatt, those were two of the people, Geoff has now sadly passed, but they were the people who stood up and were arrested and arrested and arrested.
	Andrew Bridgen similarly.
	Now the next question is, and I don't know whether people know, but Andrew Bridgen asked to go to reform before this election and was rejected.
	Now he would have been an almost certain win for reform.
	He was well known and they rejected him.
	Why?
	That's the question.
	Why?
	Well, I think Farage is just overly cautious and I think Farage is somebody who gets us to a point, but no further.
	And that leads us is how you unite these groups that are all over the place, little groups, without this thing becoming a big problem, a bigger problem.
	And if everybody's arrested, picked off, then obviously we will eventually go into some underground type of Irish Republican type of thing and that's very scary or we will get continual lawfare and we will get elections cancelled.
	But, you know, it is terrifying in my opinion.
	I'm very, very scared about what's happening.
	I would like to see more from Nigel, a bit of the Thomas More about him saying, this is a lion in the sand here.
	All I am, all I ever can own is the ground I stand upon, i.e.
	the values of freedom of speech.
	And that's absolute.
	And okay, send me to Robin Island, so be it.
	I'll become a true dissident then.
	He would become more powerful than some could ever imagine if he actually sort of outlawed him.
	The thing that gets me about this whole thing with Nigel is that the country's begging for it.
	There's an open door and we were looking at the statistics of the 2015 election versus the 2024 election.
	We have the implosion of the Conservative Party.
	I mean complete implosion.
	We have The illegal immigration and migration numbers out of all control, the crime out of control in the nine years between those two elections.
	And Nigel's vote moved from 3.9 million to 4.2 million.
	A little bit less than that.
	He gained just north of 200,000 votes, which proportionally is probably less than the population vote.
	Which is nothing!
	It's appalling.
	It was a terrible result and nobody talks about why, why or why was that such a bad result?
	And I can tell you why that was such a bad result.
	As I've said to Nigel, you now have more people outside the party looking in who you've chucked out for all sorts of reasons.
	Myself, you, you.
	We are activists.
	We are people who are prepared to die for our country.
	Not somebody who's just sort of some 65 year old overweight guy who you can control with a thumbscrew to not say anything, who's sort of a paper candidate.
	You shouldn't be putting paper candidates up.
	You've got enough real candidates in this country.
	Real ones.
	And when you say that to him, what's his answer?
	Tommy Robinson's a thug.
	Not exactly, but that's the gist of it.
	It's extremely sad.
	I've said it before, I think it does boil down to that, you know, going on Radio 4 or going on Nick Robinson or something, being grilled by Laura Koenigsberg or something, and he wants to be able to say that he's cleaner than clean.
	And the problem is he isn't, and I've got conservative friends, you know, I'm talking about You know, country solicitor type people.
	You know, they're not particularly wealthy, but they're solid middle class, live in Norfolk, live in Hampshire.
	And they say to me things like, well, I basically agree with what Nigel says, but can I hold my nose enough to vote for him?
	Do you know why they say that?
	No.
	They're moral cowards?
	I don't know.
	No, they say that because he isn't cleaner than clean.
	There's always been this sort of surrounding himself by people, for example, Posh George, who is a convicted felon.
	I don't know who that is.
	Posh George is an extremely wealthy young guy who went out with What's her name?
	Gigolo?
	You know, this Made in Chelsea set.
	Okay.
	It's a Made in Chelsea set.
	It's a sort of Daily Mail gossip column set.
	But he was convicted of fraud and various other things, I think, in the States.
	And there's been a sort of surround of one of two of these people.
	And it's also the way that Nigel just sort of gets somebody on a train like Henry Bolton.
	And then the next minute, he's off the train.
	And he's got the new guy, the chair, who he met Five minutes ago.
	So there's no building.
	There's no structure of people.
	You can say, for example, that the Labour built very well.
	I mean, Yvette Cooper, who has popped up again, and they're all the same sort of one or two names.
	So there is a slight amount of that.
	It can be class snobbishness, but there's something about it that they don't like.
	And I can't pin my fingers on it, but that was the exact quote of a friend of mine who is incredibly sensible, a sensible sort of ordinary woman.
	Yeah, well my take on this might be a bit pessimistic but basically in order for there to be any change we kind of have to let nature do its course and for the generation of people who get all of their news from newspapers and the TV to pass on.
	Because there is, and I've tried this, there is nothing you can say to these people.
	You can get them to a point and they'll agree with you and then you'll come back the day later and they've, oh did you see what the Daily Mail said or something like that.
	They just, you cannot move them from that mindset.
	And I wonder if that's really the demographic Nigel should be aiming at, sort of middle class, sort of older solicitor women type.
	Isn't it the working class men of the North and the Midlands?
	Isn't that who we should be talking to?
	Let's look at what actually happened in the last election.
	Nigel won what I call weird places.
	Weird places, peripherals.
	And the main thing that he won, apart from Anderson, who's different, because obviously he's got form, he stood for the Conservatives and Labour and he's a sitting MP, so he's got his own base.
	But Nigel won places which have the people who were pushed out of the East End of London and who retired to Great Yarmouth, Thurrock and Claxton.
	And there are 60 plus and that's his demographic.
	The Conservatives won the countryside from friends like my people in Hampshire and Norfolk and Labour won the cities and the North.
	And all of them kind of by default because turnout was virtually nothing.
	And turnout was, and we talked about this a little bit, the turnout was way worse because nobody has looked at the fact that 10 to 15% of the population are not registered to vote.
	And there's nothing.
	So if we had a 60% turnout, we actually had a 45 to 50% or 50% turnout.
	If 15% weren't counted, I calculated on that basis, if we took using the Electoral Commission's numbers of say an average of 15% weren't registered, Labour won on 15.5% of the population.
	And the issue for anybody who wants to move on with politics is what is happening to those 50% of the population and how do you get them?
	Because they are Middle England, they are Northern Northern people who just can't be bothered, don't make the effort, didn't get the paper in, it's just all, nothing we do makes any difference.
	When they feel they've been shut out of the process to the point where it doesn't matter what they... So if we need Nigel to sort of step up and become a true leader, and Oliver Cromwell almost leader, not in the military sense, but you know, speak to the disaffected, do you think he's got it in him to actually do that?
	No, because he's not prepared to get dirty.
	And what I mean by that is to stand with a lot of people who don't talk in a particularly nice way and who are bricklayers and a bit rough and really move this on and talk to the working class.
	Because the working class are a large proportion of this population still.
	And they've basically just been criminalised at this point under this government.
	And if he put himself directly alongside them and said, OK, well, fine, if you want to criminalise these people, put me in jail and just dare them to do it.
	I just don't think Trump would have done this.
	I don't think Trump would have reacted like this.
	I think Trump would have reacted more like Musk has been reacting.
	You know, it should have been Nigel saying those things and it should have been Nigel going to Southport and being the leader of the community that everybody's talking about, these leaders, except we don't have one.
	I like how, yeah, Musk will drop F-bombs sometimes.
	You know, there's a bit of emotion there.
	There's a bit of fire in the belly.
	I'm not getting that from Nigel at the moment.
	There doesn't seem to be any fire in the belly.
	He's also, you know, I'm the same age as Nigel.
	There's no question you lose energy.
	Suddenly drops off a cliff at about 60, which is, you know, when you look at retirement ages, I get why they are that.
	They sort of suddenly collapses.
	He's made it to being MP.
	He did it finally.
	So is that it?
	Because he did it.
	He achieved that, you know, they can't say you tried eight times and didn't do it.
	He needs to hand over to somebody else then.
	I think so but he also needs to change the structure of reform.
	Getting a structure would be a good thing.
	Getting a structure, he needs to stop it being a limited company and he needs to open it up to leadership contests and I think he needs to open up the entire discussion to encompass a broader group of people.
	I would like it that he just steps completely outside the Overton window, to the right, obviously.
	And when he's grilled by someone like Krishnaguru Murphy about something or other which is outside their paradigm of what's allowed, just go, yeah, no, yeah, I did it, yeah, not apologising.
	You know, like Elon, like Trump sometimes does.
	But yeah, now we're talking about this.
	Yeah, I use those words, yeah.
	Now what?
	That's what I want to see.
	And we need somebody younger.
	We need somebody who is 35 to 40.
	We just need another face because, you know, he's been around a long time and everybody knows what Nigel's going to say.
	It's the same old sort of stuff.
	It's not very exciting.
	No, not me.
	I don't have the cognitive capacity to leave.
	Here we are.
	All right, I'll do it.
	Go on then, Beau.
	Sort it out.
	No, we do.
	I know either of you two.
	There's an image, a face.
	We've seen it.
	I mean, even the guy in Argentina.
	We want somebody who's... Yeah.
	What is his name?
	The guy with the hair.
	Milet.
	Yeah, get the chainsaw out.
	If we need somebody like Trump or Malay, I would see them as male, although they could be female.
	Probably best not.
	You know, it's possible, it's not a problem.
	I wanted to talk about something which is highly connected to this actually.
	It's a poll that has been doing the rounds lately and it's one of the most extraordinary polls I think I've ever seen.
	Can we just click into this?
	So if you're listening, basically the question is how does Britain view violence towards refugees and immigrants?
	And it's from a source we think, which is connected to, it's basically a data arm of one of these polling companies.
	And they polled sort of like 12,000 people, 1200 people.
	Who is it, just for the record?
	We think?
	We think, yeah.
	And they polled 1200 people in the days following the Southport murders.
	And basically was asking, you know, how do people feel about violence towards immigrants?
	And it's an extraordinary result.
	So the first one is, and the question is, when it comes to the refugee problem, violence is sometimes the only means citizens have to get the attention of the British politicians.
	Now, in a functional democracy, that should be like one or two percent.
	In this it's 39%.
	39% of people think the only way that the British government will ever listen to them is if they commit acts of violence.
	But you see, you go back to the fact that 50% of the population didn't bother to vote.
	Yeah.
	And those over, you know, those overlap.
	I mean, 50% didn't vote.
	Yeah.
	That's pure sort of disaffection, isn't it?
	I was looking at abroad, if you sort of scroll out on that graph.
	It was since 1997 Participation kind of fell off the cliff, and it's never really come back.
	Before 97, all the way through the post-war years, or certainly before the war, World War II I mean, participation was very, very big in Britain.
	Yeah.
	Ever since 1990... More than 70% or something like that?
	Yeah, up around that sort of, those sorts of numbers.
	And after 1997, absolutely dropped off a cliff and has never recovered.
	And what is it now?
	You were saying the numbers before?
	You know, we have 60% of the population voted, but 15% are not registered, including myself.
	You know, anybody who loses, they just don't bother.
	And I found that when I was getting signatures.
	People say, oh, I don't think I'm on the electoral roll.
	Some of them don't even know if they're on the electoral roll.
	Well, I mean, what does voting do?
	When you vote for something, you don't get it.
	When you're convinced, correctly, that you live under a uni party.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I've been voting my whole life.
	If you're older.
	So I've been voting for 50 years and they've never, ever done the things we wanted them to.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	Why would you keep doing it?
	Just going back to the free speech issue.
	I thought it would be quite funny if we could find something that they thought was arrestable.
	Okay.
	You know, whatever it is.
	And then we get a million people to tweet it at the same time.
	Or two million.
	Because there is a poll tax sort of issue here that you can pick off people but you can't pick off five million people.
	You can't pick off a million people.
	I guess the CPS would, almost at random, pick a few.
	Yes, I'm saying that you could have a movement to actually have a million people retweet something similar.
	I can tell you how they respond to that, because... Oh, my clicking thing's not working.
	But can we go to the... Oh, is that working?
	Can we go to the next tab?
	So this is basically a list.
	The Crown Prosecution Service showing off all the people that they're jailing.
	So let's start scrolling down through this because it's quite a long list.
	But yeah, basically, so here we go.
	Gerard Boyce, 43.
	Jamie Michael, 45.
	Jamie Aspin.
	I mean, you just go through them.
	There's a whole long list of people.
	Can I just go quickly through it?
	Just have a look.
	Oh, there's loads of this.
	Yeah, but the interesting thing, of course, is well, up to now, every single one is male, by the way, and every single one is a particular demographic age as well, yeah?
	Right.
	There's an older one, slightly older, couple of older ones there, but look at the age groups and look at the, they're all male and they're all between about 12 and 40 most of them.
	Yeah.
	There is something of the NKVD about this.
	They're not just doing it but they need you to know that they're doing it.
	Oh that is exactly the strategy because they simply cannot deal with the level of people who feel that immigration needs to be reduced.
	So what they're going to do is they're going to make an example of a handful of cases and they're going to put a megaphone up to this.
	So this is the other thing that you see.
	I mean, it's not on this tweet, but you'll see tweets from the police where they're knocking down somebody's door and throwing some middle-aged woman as she's making breakfast for the kids roughly to the ground and, you know, the children are screaming and they're throwing on the handcuffs and then they haul her up by her hair and say, you know, did you post the children are screaming and they're throwing on the handcuffs and then they Right, you're going to jail then.
	You know, arresting, you know, middle-aged mums for Facebook posts.
	This is what a brittle, panicky regime will do if...
	It will make an example of a number of people.
	So let's go back to the original poll.
	I just wanted to ask a question about how they deal with it.
	Um, yeah, like I say, an extraordinary, you know, worrisome poll.
	The next question is, attacks against refugees' homes are sometimes necessary to make it clear to politicians we have a refugee problem.
	Now this is extraordinary.
	I mean, this is almost Bangladeshi-an.
	Yes.
	This is like haul people out.
	Well, it is sectarianism, isn't it?
	It's sectarian, low-level.
	Well, that's the sort of thing you'd expect to find people agreeing to in, you know, in Northern Ireland or, like you say, Bangladesh or the, yeah.
	Exactly, I mean the... For anyone listening, 34% agreed with that.
	Yes, 34% of people agreed it's legitimate to attack refugees' homes.
	Clearly reprehensible, clearly that's not right, but, you know, and I understand Kind of the underlying theme here, as we were talking about it in the previous segment, is that you vote and vote and vote and nothing happens.
	You make arguments and nothing happens.
	You are gasoline.
	It has become now religious, it's become in your heart.
	It's tribal, certainly.
	But it's also, it's what happens to you every day when you walk down the street and you see something you don't like.
	I did it this morning.
	If a car is in the middle of the motorway going 55, I look across to see who the hell is causing this mess.
	Yeah, don't do that.
	That's noticing.
	No, but it's annoying.
	Yes, I know it is.
	But people do this stuff.
	And in fact, it was, you know, it was a woman on her phone and then somebody will make a comment like, oh, well, you know, woman bloody driver on her phone.
	But, you know, people feel stuff.
	It's a feeling that they have.
	They've got eyes and ears.
	They have eyes.
	They see stuff.
	They see it.
	They just don't like it.
	The English are a law-abiding lot of people.
	They like order.
	They like cues.
	They've been pushed a long way.
	And the thing is, this is my thing.
	So, I mean, I've been speaking about this for years.
	And I know, you know, people like you and Carl have been speaking about this, you know, even longer than I have.
	The reason we're speaking up about this stuff and mass immigration is because we don't want there to be violence against... I can tell you one of the most terrifying experiences of my life and I have written articles about this when I was 21 I was in India at a university at a postgraduate university in Delhi and Mrs Gandhi was shot by a Sikh and they were killing Sikhs in my bathroom
	In my university bathroom, down the road, down the corridor.
	And you don't want to live through that.
	You never, never want to see that or live through that.
	Myself and a friend, because we were both not Indian, we walked to the centre to look at what was going on and it was horrifying.
	Horrifying.
	You never forget it.
	I've also written about Nepal that's got 70 different groups and 70 different languages and not only that each group has its own class structure within it and its own economic class structure and they vote sectarianly.
	Every single one votes sectarianly and you have a totally ungovernable society.
	Yes.
	Completely and I wrote 10 years ago that this is what we are forming.
	Oh yeah, well it's already happened now, we've got five, or was it six, well six if you count what Jeremy called them, MPs who are there for Palestine basically.
	And things, once one side of the ethnic mix goes down this route, it kind of forces everybody else to do it as well.
	So increasingly you're going to see, you know, the white majority will start voting along sectarian lines as well.
	Because they have to, because everybody else is doing it.
	Yeah.
	So it's, just to be clear, is multiculturalism not a strength then?
	So it doesn't make society better?
	It would seem perhaps not.
	I'll go on.
	What's this one?
	Hostility against refugees is sometimes justified even if it ends up in violence.
	32% of people agreed with that.
	Again, like you say, this is like third world level.
	stuff um xenophobic acts of violence are defensible if they result in fewer refugees settling in your town 36 people agreed with that and yeah this is what you would expect to see in like tribal africa or southeast asia or something or south asia But a country at war with itself.
	Yeah.
	A house divided, that's what that is.
	Yes.
	Well, it's not necessarily at war, because there are countries like Nepal, well, their war was a Maoist war, so they had a war but it was different.
	But you can have a country that just doesn't function.
	It doesn't work.
	Like, for example, if one particular group is administering the part of the driving license office, you need to send somebody from that group to get the paper or some other document you need.
	It doesn't function because everything is It's about trust in society as well.
	There's no trust.
	Africa has done a lot of studies on this, about the trust levels that develop between tribes.
	And this is what we have created.
	We create a lack of trust.
	You don't trust that person.
	So you're extra strenuous about, and I notice it.
	I can tell you how I notice it.
	I mean, this is the extraordinary thing because I run holiday accommodation whose cards don't go through first time.
	And it's not because necessary, because they don't have any money.
	It's because they put the wrong details deliberately.
	Why?
	Because of the lack of trust.
	And I can tell you before I put the card in, which one will fail.
	And I can also tell you which ones... You're doing a lot of noticing, Catherine.
	Well, I mean, you know, I just observe it.
	But, you know, people... It's when everybody else starts to observe this stuff.
	There are some cultures that value sort of cheating and lying, and others that value the truth.
	There are some cultures in the world where if you don't try and game the system and cheat people here or there, then you're a chump.
	You're an idiot.
	You should do it.
	And we never really had that.
	We are a high-trust society.
	If you go back to the 1950s or whatever, yeah, it'd be an extremely high-trust society.
	But if there was Twitter in the 1950s, everybody would just sign up with their name and give their address in their bio.
	Whereas these days, I mean, all those people arrested on that other tab, you know, how many people are going to be signing up for social media under their own name if they have even a vaguely right-wing opinion anymore?
	I mean, I will because I'm in my faces out at this point, but most people will just stop doing it.
	They'll start giving false details, they'll do it through VPN because they know that they'll be arrested if they say, I don't like children being murdered.
	Don't worry, Nick Lowes is on the case to dox you real quick.
	I got active in politics in 2014 when Merkel opened the gates.
	Before that, I'd never voted.
	And I did it specifically to stop violence.
	I knew where this would go.
	I had seen it.
	I've seen it so many times.
	Especially, you see it in India, you see it in Bangladesh today.
	This is the most horrifying thing.
	But the left and the government think that what they have to do is just stamp on this entirely and stop people from talking about it and shut them out of the political process.
	And your point earlier about, you know, we have community leaders for certain groups, but who are the community leaders for the white working class that don't exist?
	And they used to be Labour councillors.
	That would But they genuinely believe they have to cut these people out of every other option than violence and then beat them at the violence.
	That's what they think and that's why you're getting poll results like this where 40% of people saying... It's disturbing this.
	Yeah, it's very disturbing that we have to use violence against refugees because it's the only thing we have left to us.
	Well, the other thing we were talking about, I live in a dystopian world where I go to a part of Great Yarmouth and then literally five minutes drive I go to a place that's just one England in bloom.
	And I've gone from some sort of multicultural, violent, rubbish infested hell hole to England in Bloom and you go the same thing in Swendon.
	And then of course in the northern cities it's in your face every single day in somewhere like Hull.
	Hull is just, I mean I don't know all the places but But Hull has had this great influx of Somalis and it's just changed it overnight.
	People cannot help seeing it.
	Starmer and the party, just like in Orwell's 1984, you know, the last most essential command is that you don't believe the evidence of your own eyes and ears.
	That is what they're doing here now.
	I know we're diverging, but there was a really interesting tweet about that Algerian boxer who won the gold.
	I missed that.
	You know, the one who's the woman fan.
	Oh, the lady!
	The lady.
	And when he won the gold, the coach had him with his legs round his neck.
	And somebody tweeted, and we're talking about Orwell, you see how he's being, it's she, they are being treated, that's not a woman.
	The Algerians do not consider that a woman.
	Because you wouldn't put me round your shoulders, even if we won this election, I think it would be...
	Unusual for you to suddenly hike me up on your shoulders, would you not, Dan?
	Probably not, no.
	Do you get what I mean?
	No, entirely.
	You don't hike women up on your shoulders.
	A man.
	And they were treating him like a man.
	The Algerians believe he's a man.
	Let me just quickly touch on a couple more points in this poll and then we move on.
	It asks, how do you characterize the events?
	And the majority said, oh, it's a mix of riots and protests.
	Some people think that it was just, you know, you know, coordinated far-right attacks.
	I mean, coordinated by who?
	I mean, Russia, probably.
	You know, that's what these people think.
	So don't particularly take an issue with that one.
	It asked, what emotions did you feel experiencing the riots?
	And I think, quite frankly, all of them are justified to some extent.
	A bit broken down by parties, don't care about that.
	Oh, and this is, what were the top three reasons for the riots in the UK?
	And 72% said it was about immigration.
	Which is about right.
	71% said it was racism, so clearly there's some overlap between the two, but that's odd.
	Yeah, how do those numbers make sense?
	Or anti-white racism?
	Yeah, exactly.
	52%, so these are the TV watchers and the broadsheet readers, say it's violence for its own sake.
	I mean, if that's true, why isn't it happening every summer?
	Just spontaneous violence.
	Yeah, which is such a brain-dead take, it's difficult to digest.
	But there were some interesting findings in here.
	Do you support or oppose it based on your view of what it was?
	And 80% of the people who said it was about immigration, they then supported it.
	you know, which is interesting.
	And the people who thought it was about racism opposed.
	I mean, nothing particularly surprising there.
	But the interesting thing is that 54% of the people who thought it was about racism supported it.
	Yes.
	Did you see that?
	Yes, that was also interesting.
	Yes.
	That was very polarising though, that effort.
	Oh, very polarising.
	And, you know, we're going down the sort of US political route of everything is polarised to the point where it becomes impossible to find a solution.
	But, you know, this is bad.
	Clearly, we don't support it, obviously.
	And the reason why we say what we say is because we don't want the UK to turn into some sort of version of Romper Stomper.
	You know, that would be a bad thing.
	So, you know, Keir Starmer, if you're watching, Would you kindly get a grip on this issue and speak to people's legitimate concerns, because people do have legitimate concerns, because if you leave people with the impression that there is no other outlet than violence, then people will support violence and that is a bad thing and you need to get on top of this.
	I'm just afraid, just to finish on that, I'm just afraid he will never do it.
	No he probably won't.
	And he probably pushes to violence.
	He's a true believer.
	It's a lion in the sand.
	I think he thinks of himself as some sort of Stalinist or Maoist type figure, where now there's a party line.
	Or like Big Brother.
	No, there's a party line and that's the end of the story.
	The world can burn down before I break that party line.
	Yeah, true ideologues, and they will drive us over the cliff with their ideology, it's very sad.
	But why don't you cheer us up?
	We've two billionaires having a chat.
	Alright, Samson, can you scroll down on the thing for me?
	On the monitor?
	Here, so I can see my notes on there.
	Great.
	Okay, so.
	The Donald.
	And Elon had a conversation yesterday, last night, our time, I think 1am or something like that.
	It was quite a long one, wasn't it?
	Yeah, knocking two hours it was, yeah.
	I thought, because I listened to about two hours of it and I thought, oh I've listened to it now, but it's longer than Return of the Kings to end.
	I thought in one way there wasn't anything particularly new, but in another way I found it very interesting.
	I didn't learn a lot, but it was quite clarifying in some ways.
	Yeah.
	So I mean, to save anyone having to watch it, if you don't actually fancy watching it, I'll just sort of talk about it a bit here.
	So first of all, they talked about the assassination attempt.
	And I must say, Trump was very sort of sang-foire about it.
	He was quite cool about it.
	Like Elon said, you know, he said, you know, it's kind of cool what you did.
	And Trump was just like, he was pretty relaxed about it.
	He was like, yeah, yeah, I got shot in the ear.
	There was loads of blood.
	But anyway, I just stood up and did the fist.
	Well, bear in mind we live in an age where you get lots of young women who flap their arms around endlessly claiming that they feel unsafe if there's somebody 30 miles away who has an opinion that they disagree with.
	And here's Trump just saying, oh yeah, I got shot in the head, but you know.
	Yeah.
	I mean technically that's true, he got shot in the head didn't he?
	Yeah.
	But yeah, actually I was surprised, one of the things I was surprised is that Trump sort of praised the Secret Service essentially.
	He didn't really have any massive criticisms for them.
	He said the guy that actually took the shot to take out the shooter, that that was a great shot and that's sort of fairly true.
	Interestingly, whenever, because Elon kept on wanting to talk about the failings of the Secret Service, So Musk wanted to talk about the failings of the Secret Service and Trump kept on bringing it back to the individuals who are there on the day and that's safe and defensible because I don't fault the individuals who were there on the day but he refused to get drawn on the organisation above it and it feels like he's keeping his powder dry.
	Because the thing is, you don't get shot in the head and forget about it but he thinks he's going to win And I bet he's going to have more to say on it once he's in power, but he's just keeping his powder dry for now.
	That's what I was going to say about that, that was my take on that, is that lots of people said that Robert Kennedy, Senior, he was waiting until he became President before he did a sort of cleaning of the House of the Secret Service and how they failed in November 63 with his brother's murder, but he never got to the White House because he himself was assassinated, you know what I'm saying?
	Oh yeah, was that the guy who got shot by apparently some Sir Han, Sir Han, yeah.
	Yeah, but he got shot 18 times in the back with a gun that holds 12 bullets or something like that.
	It wasn't quite that bad.
	He was making his way out through the back of a restaurant after doing a speech because he was running to be president.
	A lot of people thought he probably would have won.
	And an assassin Uh, tried to shoot him at close range and lots of his bodyguards, lots of gunplay happened real quick and he got shot three or four times and I think the bullet that killed him was from his bodyguard but there was just a melee and there was a bit of a scrum and three or four people were firing guns.
	Because RFK, that guy's son, has visited that chap in jail and says I don't think it was you.
	There's loads of weirdness about that.
	I mean, his own son doesn't do this.
	Yeah, I mean, he did admit it in court.
	But nonetheless, there's all sorts of weird things about both the JFK and the RFK assassinations.
	Anyway, lots of people said the RFK was waiting until he was president, until he was in the big seat, and then he can really do an overview or a housecleaning or whatever you want to say of the Secret Service.
	I feel like that's what Trump's doing here is he's keeping quite about it for now but once he's back in the Oval.
	If he's allowed.
	Yeah.
	So I was a bit surprised that he didn't really have any criticism.
	Trump didn't have any criticism in this.
	Well yeah.
	In this.
	Carefully framed but yeah.
	Yeah.
	So the next thing they did talk about, so sort of the second most important vital thing, was they did talk about immigration and both Elon, although he's been on record as saying he thinks legal immigration, fairly large immigration, legal immigration is sort of an okay thing, but still he wanted safe borders, secure borders.
	They both talked about having secure borders and... This was probably the most fun bit because he was really going at Kamala and Yeah, he said, they did both say that illegal immigration should just be stopped and Trump said that there should be the biggest deportation in history, that was literally it, largest deportation in history is the quote, is what he needed, is what America needed.
	He's going to get extradited to the UK to stand trial then.
	Yeah, yeah, Starmer might have something to say.
	And that's of course the question here is how many illegals we have and And how many Starmer is going to give amnesty to?
	One million was the number yonks ago.
	I'm pretty certain it's 10 to 15 million.
	The way I know this is because you know the official population numbers.
	And then you see the stats coming out of the sewage companies and the food companies.
	It clearly indicates we have 10 to 15 million more people than the official number.
	Tesco and Sainsbury's know the real number, don't they?
	But it's interesting with Trump because when he was Prez last time, he did do a big amnesty thing, didn't he?
	And he has also been on record saying he would do it again.
	But now, when he's talking to Elon, he was saying the largest deportation in history.
	Because what you felt 20 years ago, 10 years ago, has changed.
	Things have moved so fast.
	You know, you look at 2,000 in this country compared to now.
	They are like two different countries.
	When my first husband came to Norfolk, I had to search for three Nepalese people in the entire county.
	And one was just there on a student visa.
	So there were two.
	One was married to somebody from Hong Kong.
	There were two people.
	Now, this is a tiny country.
	Two, three hundred people at least from one country in Norfolk.
	And I know that because they have a gathering.
	And I asked them, how'd you get here?
	How'd you get here?
	And that was in 24 years.
	That change.
	It's weird.
	I always find it odd.
	I was going to say, I find it weird when people come from some of the most beautiful places in the world and they want to come to somewhere like Norfolk or Suffolk.
	Or yeah, suburban Swindon.
	Yes.
	Well, obviously for the money.
	But anyway, they both agreed.
	They both agreed.
	Because they sold something as well.
	An idea, yeah.
	I mean, I know this in detail and including, for example, with the Gurkhas, with Joanna Lumley.
	Do you remember the program?
	Yeah, I do, yeah.
	Were you in support of it or against it?
	Or you had no opinion?
	I don't pay much attention to Joanna Romney.
	No, but there was a campaign to get the retired Gurkhas to be allowed to come to the UK.
	I think people, if they've served in the armed forces, that is a different kettle of fish, in my opinion, anyway.
	I was totally against it.
	110% against it.
	110% against it.
	It was going to be a disaster for everybody.
	Because those ex-Gurkus had a decent pension in Nepal and they were the top of their village.
	They were the squires.
	They lived with their marigold gardens.
	Their wives didn't speak a word of English, had never been out of Nepal.
	They were better off in their own country.
	They came here And they came to the most rat-infested, mouldy places.
	They don't know how to use an airline toilet.
	We saw them coming.
	They were squatting on the toilet.
	My husband and I were walking around Dubai trying to help these people.
	They can't read how to transfer their planes.
	I know I'm going off, but they have, and now they can't return.
	And they are now not... Because they haven't got any money.
	Because it costs money.
	They sold land.
	They sold things to get here.
	And they haven't got any money to get back.
	They're stuck here now.
	And they are now the bottom of the society.
	And I asked my ex-husband, what's Aldershot like?
	He said, it looks like Kathmandu.
	And that wasn't a compliment.
	So those people have gone.
	And this is what we never, never talk about, is what happens to the migrants themselves.
	That their expectations of what they get and what they actually get are totally different.
	Yeah, well Lisa and Andy's happy though.
	The directors at the Runnymede Trust got what they wanted.
	Did they talk about Ukraine?
	They did.
	If I just finish up on the immigration thing.
	They both agreed that if a country doesn't have borders then there's no country left.
	Again, that's a quote.
	So again, fairly based, but most people 10-15 years ago might have thought that was a little beyond the Overton window to say something like that.
	Now, a couple of, potentially, at least in Trump's case, a couple of the most powerful guys in the world are absolutely on the same page with that.
	Yeah, when it came to Ukraine...
	Trump's funny, I do find Trump funny.
	His turn of phrase and the things he says.
	They were talking about how you do need to be strong.
	Elon said that a President of the United States needs to be able to give the impression of being a little bit scary to the leader of Russia and China.
	You need to be able to give credible threats.
	And this is the point that Machiavelli made in The Prince, which is there were lions and there were foxes.
	And lions are leaders who can make capable threats because they're capable of following it through.
	Whereas foxes, they're cunning but they cannot give credible threats.
	So for example, over here in the UK, Starmer is obviously a fox because he's just like, yeah, we're going to arrest everybody.
	It's like, we know that you can't do that.
	And his skills on the punching bag weren't all that, were they?
	Right, yeah, exactly.
	And I mean obviously Biden can't give credible threats whereas there's this lovely anecdote I love of Trump which is he was negotiating with the Taliban leaders and he had them in a room and he was basically saying okay I want you to do this thing and they started kicking up a fuss and so he said to the lead guy if you don't do what I'm telling you to do I will blow up this house and he reached into his jacket and slid across the table a picture of this guy's house
	That is a threat because it's very specific and you know he will do it.
	That is a viable threat.
	And he'll probably gloat about it as well.
	But didn't Trump have some line about the way that Biden makes threats?
	Yeah, he said like these stupid lies coming out of his stupid face.
	Stupid threats coming out of his stupid face.
	One time he was talking about when he was talking to Putin and Putin said no way and Trump said way.
	If you compare this with our health secretary, Wes Streeting, who says that he will throw Jan Moyer under a train, that threat, which is never going to happen, is just pathetic, unpleasant, without any thought.
	Compared to this?
	Remember when Trump did one of those surgical strikes on one of the leaders of the Iranian paramilitaries?
	Oh yeah.
	And then afterwards when he's doing a press conference about it, he's actually joking and gloating about it.
	Like the guy died like a dog.
	Or when he took out one of the leaders of, I think, ISIS.
	Yeah.
	He was like, the guy was crying.
	He was crying.
	I would have cried.
	Anyway, yeah, on Ukraine, basically saying that, you know, it's got to come to an end sort of thing, and that they are close to, even if we're not careful, we are close to World War Three, yeah, that someone like Putin doesn't take the threat to someone like Biden seriously, and of course he doesn't, because Biden's vacant, he's just like this doddering She's not going to take the threat to Kamala either because she just ackles.
	She's one of these people who gets Sunnis and Shias muddled up.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	Samson, can you scroll down on this?
	My mouse is on the wrong place somewhere.
	They talked about the economy for a bit, which I thought was actually one of the more interesting.
	There was a little bit of insight there, because Elon said something that I had a conversation recently with Godfrey Bloom, the ex-MEP Godfrey Bloom.
	Godfrey super-based Bloom.
	I love the guy.
	In fact, this Sunday there'll be an Epochs where I'm talking with him all about economics and the history of money.
	I'm just saying that Godfrey Bloom is another person who should be inside the tent and not outside the tent.
	Godfrey Bloom is fantastic, even though he's older, he's amazing.
	Yeah, he is.
	He speaks at the English Democrats.
	These people need to be inside the same tent to get enough momentum to get reform to win the country.
	And he said something which is just absolutely true, just absolutely true, and I'm sure you'll agree with this, and it was something that Elon said and Trump agreed with him, which is, government needs to lower its spending.
	It's just as if you want to get inflation under control.
	It's come up once or twice in pro-economics.
	And if you want to get inflation under control and you want to get debt under control, the way you've got to do it is stop ridiculous levels of government spending.
	And Elon just said that straight up, flat out.
	And Trump agreed with him.
	And Elon even said, if and when you're president, if you put together some sort of commission, some sort of grand commission to do it, I wouldn't mind sitting on that.
	I could sit on that if you want.
	And Trump was like, sure, yeah, we can do that.
	But the issue for me about this government spending is not an economics one.
	When Clive Lewis did his thing in Norwich the other day, Norwich is a university town, teaching hospital, lots of charities.
	Every single person in his demonstration was indirectly or directly paid by the government.
	Yeah.
	And this is the social problem of it, which is much bigger than the economic.
	The economic problem's bad, but the social issue, the political, is even worse.
	It's huge in the US as well.
	There are lots and lots of people who are either directly employed, but when you take into account all of the people who are indirectly employed as a result of government contracts, a vast amount of people in the US are employed one way or another by the government.
	But yeah, no, I like this section on the economy.
	Elon probably did it better.
	The problem I had with Trump's response is he does the standard politician thing, oh we're going to cut out waste.
	Now the problem is in the US they've got a gap now of over two trillion between the amount of tax revenue that they collect and the spending that they've got.
	If you take out the redistribution programs, the various welfare programs and look at what's left, even if 80% of it is waste, it doesn't quite get you there.
	So you do need to cut those redistribution programs, the welfare programs and Medicare and Medicaid and of course he doesn't go anywhere near that.
	So Trump will be an improvement but he's not going to close the gap entirely.
	Well it seems they're sort of beyond it being possible.
	I mean the government debt as a whole goes up something like a trillion dollars every hundred odd days.
	That's absolutely insane.
	Unsustainable, obviously unsustainable.
	No real bearing on reality anymore, those numbers.
	And they didn't really, I mean, Elon did say that, but Trump didn't address it.
	There's a question, is it unsustainable?
	Because... Yeah, I would have thought so.
	Well, but everybody keeps, has been saying that for 20 years.
	And, and It is not necessarily unsustainable.
	It's unsustainable if you want to have a productive economy.
	Yes.
	And you don't want to have constant asset inflation.
	If you want to look like a third world country or grinding towards the end days of the Soviet Union, then it's sustainable for many, many years.
	I know we're changing the subject, but we are the same in the UK and most Western countries.
	We're past this state of return.
	I don't think so.
	You don't think so?
	No, we can get it under control.
	We probably can't get it out of control without upsetting an awful lot of people.
	There's not a way that you can do it which will win mass popular support, but it can be done.
	Yes, but we can't win.
	We're having trouble with popular support.
	Whether you can do it and win an election is a different thing.
	If they keep going down the Keynesian route of quantitative easing, we just will end up with hyperinflation.
	Argentina has still got suffering from hyperinflation.
	Hundreds of percent of inflation, right?
	Emile has started to deal with it, again they touched on that, by slashing government in general and of course then spending.
	So but Trump didn't say, oh no I profoundly sort of ideologically disagree with you Elon, he didn't say any of that.
	Well, he put a lot of it on things that he can do stuff about, like energy prices.
	Right, yeah, energy prices.
	He said, drill, baby, drill.
	I mean, it's classic Trump.
	He's so quite American, isn't he?
	But yeah, because, you know, and taking a swipe at Harris saying, you know, she'll stop fracking completely.
	I wouldn't.
	And that's what I'd like to hear Nigel say in response to Miliband.
	Drill, baby, drill.
	Really just drum it out there.
	Say, no, I'm going to drill.
	I'm not going to apologise for that.
	You're insane.
	The thing that surprised me on that is not so much Trump, because I knew that this was Trump's position.
	What I was impressed by was Elon's response to not just the drilling, but the whole climate thing in general.
	He's actually a lot less bad than I thought he was.
	Especially given he runs an electric car company.
	Yeah.
	So this is the thing.
	I've long admired Trump and what he gets done and the projects he delivers and all that kind of stuff.
	He's a very impressive guy, obviously.
	But I always thought, well, we're at odds over this climate change stuff.
	But actually, when he started talking about it in this interview, He's nowhere near.
	He's just not alarmist at all.
	I mean, he was basically saying, if you take these current trends and you project over several hundred years, then we got a problem.
	But he says that, you know, whatever, we're 200 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere.
	And he was like saying, I don't really care if it goes to 400 or 500.
	Yeah, it's not a problem.
	When it gets to a thousand, yeah, I've got a problem then.
	That, funnily enough, is the level that in a Navy submarine, they've got a CO2 alarm and it doesn't go off until it hits a thousand parts.
	Uh, per million is just not really a problem until then.
	I think the numbers are more like, sort of, around the World War II mid-century it was about 200 parts per million, now it's something like 450, but in prehistoric times it was like 2,000 parts per million.
	No, more like 20,000.
	Oh right, okay, well yeah, depends how many million you want to go back, and you get mega flora and fauna, don't you?
	But the issue...
	Of this is, I mean, I know Piers Corbyn, who's obviously brother to Jeremy.
	He's actually, and he is a climate scientist.
	Now, his equation on this is really simple.
	And by the way, he's got a first from Imperial in physics, and he spent his whole life in climate working, including having a company on AIM.
	Did you know that, Dan, Piers Corbyn?
	I didn't know he had a company on AIM.
	What is it?
	It was a company, a climate forecasting company.
	So who would you believe on climate change?
	Jeremy Corbyn who's two E's in sociology or Piers who has a first in physics from Imperial.
	Piers is the more impressive brother of the two, yeah.
	Well, Piers' whole point is this.
	You cannot prove which way the equation is.
	CO2 to heat.
	Whether the warming comes first and the CO2 follows.
	Yes, and Piers says, of course.
	The Sun is 100,000 nuclear power stations.
	Past warming will raise the CO2.
	Well, the Sun is a nuclear fusion reactor that's a million times the size of the Earth when we orbit it.
	So tiny fluctuations in the Sun will swamp Whether, you know, your wife leaves the bloody light on in the bathroom or something, it's just... Yes, but Piers just says it's just absolutely nonsense.
	But the thing I liked about this is I always assumed that Musk was more alarmist, and actually if you listen to him, he's actually entirely sensible on the climate thing.
	He just says, yeah, well, you know, go forward a couple of hundred years, You know, you can make a slight turn now and end up in a better future in several hundred years, or you cannot, which would be less good, and it might be, apparently at 1,000 parts per million, the air is less comfortable to breathe.
	He says, yeah, just make a slight turn now and it will be fine, don't worry.
	Yeah, but we're just going up with such teeny amounts.
	I mean, if you look at the histories you were talking about of the world since the Permian, the CO2 chart looks like from the ceiling straight down like that.
	We're at some sort of all-time low.
	We're at an all-time low, and if we get any lower, life stops.
	Cos photosynthesis can't occur, I think it's below 60 or something, 60 volts.
	Yes, but we're at like, we're really, really low already.
	Climate will always be in flux, that is the nature of it, will always be in flux.
	And if you, again, if you look at it on sort of Geological timescales, even in the tens of thousands of years, not even millions of years, tens of thousands of years.
	You've got mini ice ages.
	The graph is sort of crazy.
	To expect it to stay at sort of the late 19th century, first half of the 20th century when our record really began in earnest.
	To expect it to just level out and stay exactly there.
	That's crazy.
	But you take my point, Musk was much better on this than I gave him credit for.
	And Musk even said, oh yeah, of course we've got to do more drilling, more oil.
	Of course we have.
	Because there are reasons why electric cars like Teslas are great.
	You know, they're quieter, they don't But they're fast.
	They're fast, but they don't put, you know, yes, I mean, you know, horrible sitting in traffic jams outside somebody's house with diesel fumes.
	I mean, in Kathmandu, which is a valley in the winter, and they have hills and mountains with 50-year-old diesel trucks, the entire city is just in winter when there's no rain and no wind.
	It's just one... Smog.
	Smog.
	Horrendous.
	And so yes, you could see why, you know, but not from the climate point of view, from moving your production to somewhere else.
	Remind me, did Trump say much about the climate?
	Because I know Elon had a whole bit on it.
	A bit.
	What did he say?
	He certainly wasn't disagreeing with him.
	They agreed on everything really it seems.
	They talked about how nuclear power has just got a really bad rep.
	It's got like a PR problem.
	Oh yes, and that was the bit where Trump was saying, oh a lot of people don't understand it, it doesn't matter because I do.
	So I'll just get on with it, but you don't need to worry about it, it's fine.
	And he's right.
	Yeah.
	Moving on because we're getting on for time a bit.
	They talked a fair bit about Harris and lawfare, which is a nice way of really saying that they're sort of politically, in all sorts of senses, destroying the Republic while we watch.
	And that Harris will plan to open the prisons and the borders and stop all fracking.
	He said she's not a smart person by the way.
	Obviously.
	And he was really sarcastic and rude about saying that she's such a beautiful woman.
	He was obviously being sarcastic.
	Have you seen that Musk has put out a tweet saying that he would be happy to do the same thing with Harris?
	Yeah, I saw that, yeah.
	Which I don't know how that would go, since he spent like the latter half of this one basically laughing with Trump that, yeah, she's thick and stupid.
	Well I suspect, well, they talked about how they can have a conversation, an actual back and forth.
	You can't, you wouldn't really be able to do that with Harris.
	I would have thought.
	It would be her cackling and being extremely passive-aggressive and trotting out rehearsed lines and a load of nonsense.
	Whereas you do actually, for all his faults, you can actually have a conversation with Trump.
	It's a real conversation.
	I'd be genuinely surprised if Harris has had an original thought in her entire life.
	Well, the worst one was that when I went to the border, or we went to the border.
	No, we didn't go to the border.
	Well, she's supposed to be the border czar, wasn't she, at one point?
	And then later they claimed she wasn't even.
	In fact, when it's on record that she was.
	Well, there was another interesting thing about the number, and this will be the same in our government here, the amount of time that Harris and, what's her new guy called, I can't Warts have spent in the public sector versus the private sector versus Trump and Vance and you know Trump and Vance has spent sort of 80% 20 and they've spent sort of 99% in academia.
	We've got the same issue here.
	I mean out of the new Labour MPs the majority of them have never had a job in their life.
	Yeah, loads of them.
	I saw someone on Twitter put a list of their past work experience, and there's a couple in there that have had real jobs, but a lot of them, nothing at all.
	We've just got to move on here.
	Last thing they really talked about, they touched on, was freedom of speech, and how important it was.
	And there's a tweet, if you could go to the next link.
	Are you going to show what I think you're going to show?
	Yeah, it is expletive.
	But, so, someone from the EU sent Elon a sort of an open letter saying, you know, trying to tick him off, trying to sort of wag his finger at him like he's a naughty schoolboy.
	Go, remember, you've got to abide by all our EU rules.
	And Elon just did this.
	How are you going to describe this?
	it's a meme telling him to F off yes and that is that again that's the sort of thing you want from a real leader this may be the best response I've ever seen on Twitter yeah do you remember when he called out is it Bob Iger at Disney he tried to sort of essentially in a sense oh yes go F yourself Yeah, go F yourself.
	I'll try and do it for those who are listening.
	So basically, Ferry Britain, an EU commissioner, basically wrote this long letter complaining about Elon doing free speech.
	And how we needed democracy.
	Yeah, our democracy.
	And Elon responds with a tweet from Tropic Thunder Of the guy screaming down, take a big step back and literally, no, in biblical terms, your own face.
	Yeah.
	I think that's quite good.
	It's funny.
	Yeah.
	And anyway, one of the last things, there's a couple more things I want to point out, but we've sort of stuck for time.
	So one of the last things I want to say is that Trump said, I think this hit the nail on the head, really, you know, like the actual taking the temperature of a nation.
	He said that the people want the American Dream back.
	You know, whatever that means.
	But, you know, we will all take... And we want our English Dream back.
	And, you know, and our English Dream wasn't particularly great.
	A sort of terrace house with a few daffodils in the front.
	But it wasn't great.
	It wasn't the American Dream.
	But, you know, you walked to school and it was all pretty boring.
	And then you came home and you watched Coronation Street and it was even more boring.
	And then you went to Buckland on holiday or Benidorm.
	And your kids didn't get stabbed.
	Exactly.
	And you didn't have to wade through rubbish and people having psychotic episodes outside your front door.
	Or go to an Ariana Grande concert or a Taylor Swift dance class without being massacred.
	Or take your kids to a Lego store without being stabbed.
	I mean the list goes on and on.
	Yeah.
	OK, so I'm going to leave it there, but if anyone's interested, it's sort of just out there now, so watch it.
	It's a couple of hours long.
	So that's it.
	We do have some comments from The Last Russian.
	I don't think it's got that bad yet, but he says, Guys, please extend the podcast today like the last time Catherine was on.
	It's incredibly insightful.
	Thank you.
	Well, I'm sure we can do an extra.
	Five minutes or so?
	Why not?
	Um, free speech is under threat.
	Um, oh, that was your bit, Catherine.
	So, uh, Baystapes says, Idea for a Broconomics episode.
	What can the poor people and the normals do if we can't afford a top-notch legal representation?
	If 90% of us would get rolled over by the court simply because we were assigned cheap legal representation and don't know what to do in that situation.
	What would your advice be, Catherine?
	If you're poor and you get arrested for speech?
	You could call Robin Tilbrook, who's head of the English Democrats.
	He's won a number of cases, including taking a grooming gang person to court, winning half a million pounds, I believe, at that region for The victim who managed to get the house, he will defend you.
	He's one of the few lawyers who will defend practically anybody in the country, even Holocaust deniers, he will defend.
	And the other person, obviously, group is Toby Young's free speech group.
	He doesn't tend to get involved in working classes though.
	But Robin Tilbrook has done a number of pretty controversial cases.
	The only thing I'd add to that is if you do get arrested for speaking, well actually you can get arrested in this country these days for thinking in your head if you do it outside an abortion centre or some things.
	So you don't even need to think these days in order to get arrested.
	In fact you can get arrested for just walking past a protest with a dog on your way home as we talked about earlier.
	But I mean what I would do in those circumstances is volunteer no information whatsoever to the police If they bring you in, just, you know, if you've got no resources, take the free legal representative and just say, look, I just want to do the absolute minimum at this point until I've got time to go and look at my options and look up, you know, the chap that you mentioned or whatever else.
	I've watched a fair bit of YouTube legal advice, which sounds dodgy as hell, but sometimes some of the big channels, they're the extremely experienced defenders and prosecutors.
	One of the guys said, regardless of whether you've done anything wrong or not, never ever tell the police anything ever, even if you're 100% innocent, because they're not your friends.
	Talk to your lawyer if you've got one, but you don't tell the cops anything.
	And they'll put pressure on you saying, oh, well, this is suggesting that you've got something to hide.
	Let them think that.
	Yeah, they've got targets to get prosecutions, and they don't care whether you're guilty or not.
	All they want to do is hit their target, so they can get their promotion and all the rest of it, yeah.
	Mason Royce says, if we are re-enacting the fall of the Roman Republic, Paraj seems to be Cicero.
	Will back aside, but switch of his neck is on the line.
	That's probably not that unfair, actually.
	What do you think?
	Well, I've obviously talked a lot about the Roman Republic.
	Yeah.
	A lot of my epochs recently, I've done a fair few hours on the decline and fall of the Roman Republic.
	I don't know, there are the parallels.
	Callum said something that was funny, actually.
	Right.
	He said there's a few key points where there's parallels between the decline and fall of the Roman Republic and the modern American one, but 90% of it is completely different and there aren't any parallels.
	It's like, actually, yeah, You're actually right there.
	I don't know if there is a great parallel with Nigel and somebody in the late Roman Republic I'm afraid.
	I mean Cicero's maybe not a bad shout.
	Cicero's a better speaker though.
	Why is Cicero the example?
	Well because Cicero was very pragmatic and didn't stand on his principles and just sort of blew with the wind and did whatever was best to keep his career going.
	At any given moment.
	I think that's what they mean.
	Hector Rex says, why in the bloody hell isn't Nick Lowell's arrested for spreading false information about the Assad attack that directly incited Muslims to cause violence?
	I suspect it's because he's paid by the UK government for the work he does and it would be inconvenient to replace him.
	And then the question is whether there's a legal case.
	I certainly think we are not, as the group on the right, not doing enough to challenge these type of things legally and slowly.
	You know, like you were talking, we've got this person who said this and this person and this, you know, there must be some legal way to challenge some of these things.
	You need a bit of money though, don't you, to do it?
	Yes, but I mean somebody like Toby Young, you know, has has a bit of money.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Could Toby Young not try and bring some sort of prosecution against Nick?
	I don't know.
	But, you know, it certainly should be suggested.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Have you had him on the show?
	Who?
	No.
	Toby Young.
	No.
	Too conservative.
	No, he's too party.
	I might have him on.
	He's adjacent to us.
	I was going to have Denningpole first and then maybe I'll reach out for... Oh, James.
	You know his brother as well.
	Yes, but James is just one of you.
	I mean, Nigel won't have James Denningpole.
	There's another person.
	Yes.
	You know, like when I was setting up the Brexit Party.
	Beyond the pale.
	Yes, James Bullock, Danny and Paul's on the list that you're not allowed to have.
	Of the horribles.
	Yeah.
	The untactables.
	Well, that's kind of why I want to have him on.
	Well, he'll come on.
	I'm joking, we'd love to have him on.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Lady50ish says, uh, Black Belt Barrister from YouTube might be a good guest for Legal Views.
	Oh, maybe I'll look out for... I've not encountered that name before.
	Also, I've just noticed we've got some video comments.
	Oh yeah, we've got video comments.
	Should we do a video comment?
	Yeah, can we do the video comment, Samson?
	Samson's still there.
	Maybe he's popped to the loo.
	No, he's there.
	Right.
	The mention of Anne Rand's The Fountainhead on yesterday's podcast reminded me of my old high school reading list.
	I'm not sure what the UK's curriculum is, but I remember reading books like The Fountainhead as well as The Jungle, As I Lay Dying, To Kill a Mockingbird, most of which took place around the time period that the book was written in.
	My question to you all is, what books from today do you think would be included in future curriculum, like 50 to 100 years from now?
	When your grandchildren visit, what will their books include?
	What moments in history will they take place in?
	Hopefully none, because nearly all literature that gets published these days is absurdly woke.
	Well, I read Vance's book, Hillbilly Elegy, when it came out.
	Have you read it?
	Yeah.
	But it's not really very startling.
	You could swap out Tom Sawyer for that.
	But I think we haven't got one for the UK and that one is waiting to be written.
	So what I would include is most of Ed Dutton's books.
	They're very good.
	I thought he was talking about fiction.
	Oh, fiction?
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick.
	Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick.
	I mean, most of the arts you can't get published.
	They are so... But there is that fictional book which I haven't read from France where you have got a Muslim republic.
	Oh, I know the one you mean.
	Mourinbeque or something.
	Isn't that banned or something?
	Yeah, but that's one where he talks about what would happen.
	We've got another video coming, let's watch that one.
	I had hoped to avoid commenting on the riots, but I cannot believe that this analysis hasn't been given light.
	A man was severely assaulted outside a pub.
	Those inside did nothing to help him.
	Nothing.
	I'm quite clear who the evil people in all this are.
	Yeah, that was extraordinary.
	The guy got beaten up for being outside the pub and then the pub landlord banned him.
	He's got a lacerated liver.
	And I don't know how serious, but it sounds pretty terrible.
	I'm no doctor, but it doesn't sound good.
	No.
	I thought Islam was the religion of peace though, is it not?
	It's the religion of submission, not peace.
	It's a bad translation, that religion of peace.
	Do you know that?
	Yeah, of course, I'm being sarcastic.
	David Cameron and Obama said that, that it's a religion of peace, didn't they?
	In tech news, AMD processors have been discovered to have a Ring Zero level flaw built physically into the hardware.
	You know what company has special access to Ring Zero on Windows?
	CrowdStrike, the company that just caused a Ring Zero crash of 8.5 million computers.
	And who does CrowdStrike have special certifications with?
	The US government, of course.
	Apparently anyone exploiting this really can't be detected either.
	I'm sure this whole issue is totally an accident and not built into billions of CPUs on purpose for the last 20 years.
	Oh dear, I've got an AMD processor.
	I think I'd better upgrade and get an Intel.
	Next!
	I've taken a photo of our friend here, and I've noticed there are a number of differences.
	In this photograph, he has a beard.
	In this photo, he does not.
	In this photo, the skin is dark in tone.
	In this photo, it's a lot paler.
	In this photograph, there is a man.
	Whereas in this photograph, there is a little girl.
	Also, the ears are different.
	Right.
	What I'm going to do is, I'm going to let you in this time, but with a warning.
	You really do need to update your passport photograph.
	Take care, Jennifer.
	The funny thing is, funny, not ha ha funny, the little Britain guys, that was to lampoon that type of thing.
	Right.
	We look at that and go, oh, yeah, right on.
	And they would, you know, they're not doing that.
	So I think that comment about the pub, we should really focus on again.
	And this is the point about, as we know from Germany and from all sorts of things, When there's an epileptic fit on a bus, I remember when I was a child on an airport bus, my father was the only person who went up to deal with that person who was having an epileptic fit to get him to stop biting his tongue and everybody else just stood there like this and did nothing.
	And you have this Terrible!
	It's in most societies.
	It's particularly bad, I think, in the English.
	That's why we were talking about the Irish and not as bad.
	They just, 90% of them, do nothing.
	Next video!
	Friends, pardon my indulgence, but after nine months of working five to midnight every day, I finally got my grandfather's station wagon back on the road.
	The last thing he ever said to me in his deathbed was imploring me to restore it, which I would have done anyway, but the promise made it extra special.
	It really is true, all that is meaningful in life comes just from familiar responsibilities.
	And big block mopars.
	And I made the local car festival ten minutes before the gate closed.
	Not a moment wasted.
	Still work to be done, obviously.
	She'll winter at the body shop.
	But for now, at least.
	Promises made, promises kept.
	Miss you, Grandpa.
	That is one set of skills that I wish I had.
	That I could do that.
	Well done.
	And physically achieving something with your hands really is rewarding.
	You make something.
	I get a little bit of satisfaction from having completed a really good spreadsheet.
	But it's not that.
	If I conquer an entire map on C4, I feel like I've achieved something.
	Right, so 38% think violence is the answer.
	Opunk says, Brits adopting the attitude of enrichment, how long did you expect them to tolerate balkanisation and second class status before they started taking care of their own first two?
	And Nolong Pork says, those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make a violent revolution inevitable.
	Is that an accurate JFK quote?
	I always wonder with these quotes.
	JFK?
	Is that?
	He said it?
	I think that is the accurate quote.
	Was it JFK who said it?
	Or was he quoting someone else?
	So you're not quoting Jefferson or something?
	I'm always a special... yeah.
	I looked it... I thought... because I thought that was an innocent quote and I looked into it and I couldn't find it.
	An innocent quote and I couldn't find it.
	So I wonder if it's one of those quotes that gets, you know, spun around.
	RB says, the thing to take away from this survey is that 39% of people are willing to admit it.
	How much higher would the number be if it included those who think it but are afraid to say so?
	If you scroll forward in time that number's probably only going to increase isn't it?
	And the issue is what happens when something triggers them.
	Like the others, when somebody sees a child of five, a little girl stabbed to death in front of them, then they're triggered and then that completely changes because these are all sitting in your armchair sort of numbers.
	DirtyBelder says, we've seen throughout history that violence is a way to get what you want.
	From Carthage, to Runnymede, to Ireland, the Taliban won, the IRA won.
	Islam has many victories in Britain.
	Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
	It's like, the historic perspective does tend to work.
	Solcula?
	Yeah.
	The French Revolutionary.
	But unfortunately the left have been extremely good at it.
	And they're allowed to do it.
	Oh no, sorry, according to AA there's no such thing as populism.
	That's just a delusion, it's never happened, ever.
	So this is a very sensible point from George.
	As a wise man once said, violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derided.
	Yes, the word of the text itself.
	Yeah, the government has got a monopoly on violence, whether that's through the police or the army.
	Or whatever, that is the bottom line, right?
	They will physically knock your door down and physically take you away if they need to, yeah.
	Jimbo G says, if you took a tweet from Narinda or Dr Scholar and changed the races around, you would probably be arrested in Starmer's Britain.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Lancelot from Camelot says, if Charles wanted to be a proper king, he would dissolve Parliament.
	Yeah.
	They can't really do that.
	On paper they can do that, but they can't really do that.
	Queen Victoria, over 150 years ago, tried to put her oar in a bit and it didn't work.
	And anyway, Charles agrees with something.
	Yeah, right.
	And he's a globalist anyway.
	That's not going to work.
	He's a globalist.
	And so is his well-being.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And there's no church.
	I mean, there's no leadership from the church because it's the complete opposite.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Beggar Hero says, honestly the English when they see the elite kowtowing to various minorities and when the rioting and learnt that violence can achieve goals.
	I mean it looked that way didn't it?
	Because there was the Leeds one beforehand and the Hamern Hill ones.
	So you can understand why people thought it, but of course different rules apply to different groups.
	It just depends if the government is sympathetic to what you're doing or not.
	Yes.
	Or at least got an element of sympathy.
	If you take sort of the poll tax riots under Thatcher.
	Yes.
	She wasn't a Maoist type who would be like, no, this line in the sand will not bend.
	No, she didn't agree with them, but she had enough human sympathy or whatever to realise, or enough political nous perhaps you might say, to say, okay, no, we're going to reverse then on this.
	Um, Corax199080 says, Bo and Dan will lead as two kings.
	What do you want?
	Hello, two kings.
	What do you want?
	Let's say you can't have England.
	Do you want Scotland or Wales?
	I'll take the other one.
	I'll take England, please.
	No, no.
	Oh, can't have that.
	No, no.
	Karl will take England.
	He'll get the Isle of Wight.
	I'll be king, you can just be a duke.
	I'll make you a kick-ass duke.
	That would probably be better actually, less responsibility, more frivolity.
	On the Musk interviews Trump, Brian Tomlin says to tie up a couple of the day's subjects, as reform is a private limited company, could Elon Musk buy them and represent us from the safety of his immense wealth?
	Can he?
	By reform?
	An aggressive takeover?
	Well...
	Robin has said that Nigel's preparing to sell the shares, as they actually made that point before, I mean.
	Right.
	Oh, there we go.
	Elon, if you're watching, get in there.
	Theoretically, I suppose he could, yes.
	He'd probably sell to a Saudi prince.
	Opunk says Elon wanted to talk about migration.
	He took one look at what's happening in the UK and understood the implications.
	Trump's certain demographic ban looking better and better.
	Grant Gibson says, Drill Baby Drill was Sarah Palin originally, I believe.
	Oh yes, I think he's right.
	Bjorn Ferenbach says, I think Reform will pitter out like Ukip because of Nigel.
	If he doesn't grow a spine...
	Like a Corsair with a large exhaust, it would be all blow and no go.
	And his age, I know he has got some younger people voting.
	More young men under 25 voted for reform than they did for the Conservatives.
	But, you know, it is true that his demographic is dying.
	And my main worry is the demographics, because the demographics of Destiny, they are changing so fast.
	This lack of children from the English is catastrophic.
	The aging of the population who can't go out and riot, even if they would want to in their Zimmer frames, is like, who is going to do it?
	And the demographics just move it.
	This is quite an interesting issue as well, which I think a whole pile of stuff could be done on.
	As Elon has mentioned about this global collapse in population growth, which is just unbelievable in some countries.
	And We are building all these new houses over our farmland to effectively in a world where the demographics are collapsing.
	You can get a house in Japan, get given one in the countryside.
	Some Australians are just going over and getting them.
	And they have the oldest demographic structure.
	But you know, some of these numbers are amazing that Jamaica is way below its replacement rate, like 1.7.
	South Korea is now at the point where in 30 years time, if they use their entire working age population...
	Just to look after the old people, they still wouldn't have enough people, let alone do everything else.
	And countries which you don't consider, like Nepal, now have such a problem with the old that they are being dumped outside monasteries in Kathmandu because there's nobody to look after them.
	So you've had this, in a single generation, the number of children going down from sort of 11 to 1.6.
	Yep.
	Well, let's tax property more and all that kind of stuff.
	Rounding it off.
	Yeah.
	Yes, Baz, last comment.
	Baz North FC says, do you think people jailed for social media posts will serve their full sentence?
	Well, normally the way it works in this country is if you get sentenced for less than two years, you're automatically eligible for release halfway through.
	It will be interesting to see if they make an exception for thought crime.
	I mean they're certainly letting out people who've gone to jail for murder out early in order to put people who are guilty of thought crime in and you would imagine if the Jan 6th example is anything to go by you do not release political prisoners until you are forced to.
	Oh, yeah.
	So, probably not.
	Anyway, you're housing, you wrap us up.
	Yeah, so, well, thanks for watching.
	That has been Tuesday, 13th of August, 2024.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Catherine.
	Thank you, Dan.
	Okay, until next time, take care.

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