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	It is not long now until the most exciting election of my lifetime is going to happen.
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	So you heard it there from the boss man and hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 27th of June 2024.
	I'm very pleased to be joined by the Voice of Wales, Stan and Dan.
	Shamay.
	Shamay.
	And Stelios, of course.
	Hello.
	And we're going to be talking about how Twitter bans have returned, Stelios will be, and then you guys are going to be telling us about the Welsh National Socialist Problem, which I didn't realise there was one.
	Yes, it's been one for a long time, but it's accelerated.
	And also I'm going to be talking about a cautionary tale in the dangers of the internet, which is going to be a good bit of fun I think.
	But it's worth mentioning as well, yes this election night live stream, the ad you saw for it, that is going on next Thursday, so in a week's time.
	And we're going to have lots of guests, some of them may even be in the building right now.
	But we've got a star-studded list of guests.
	It's going to be great.
	It's going to be a lot of fun.
	We're going to have a stacked panel at all times.
	I'm really looking forward to it and so should you.
	So make sure to check that out.
	It's going to be one of those things that you're going to feel like you missed out if you didn't watch it.
	And also, it's worth mentioning as well, Calvin's Common Sense Crusade after this.
	There's going to be a half hour break between this podcast and Calvin going live.
	So, you know, if you have some free time, make sure to check it out.
	It's going to be good.
	Calvin's show is always good, of course.
	So make sure to check it out.
	But anyway, Stelios, take us away.
	Okay, so Twitter suspensions and Twitter bans are back.
	I know because I was suspended, but now I'm back.
	So it all started with Vesegrad24, and we have here Marion Norfall asking why was this account suspended.
	Now, we know Vesegrad24 is a massive account, has more than 24 million followers, and they frequently post stuff from war-torn regions, and stuff that aren't always pleasant to look at, and stuff that are, you could say, violent.
	Just an example, they frequently talked about terrorism, they talked about now the terrorist hits in Dagestan, and they also had an image that is now called the infamous image.
	This person says here, loved and hated by many, Vesegred is a leading Polish-based account covering the wars in Gaza and Ukraine.
	And they got suspended.
	And Elon Musk here is giving us the reason why that account was suspended.
	I'm not going to read it out loud because we are going to have trouble, but they are They circulated the picture of a punishment that the Taliban inflected upon an underage kid, and they retweeted it.
	And Visigrad24 is a massive account.
	A lot of people are retweeting it, especially people who are interested in terrorism, and they want to make their audience aware of terrorist practices.
	So Elon Musk says here that what they did triggered an automatic child exploitation suspension, which I can understand.
	It makes sense.
	And a lot of people who did engage with it could have Sort of been suspended as a matter of collateral damage.
	Sort of algorithmic thing or something.
	But this doesn't explain everyone who was suspended.
	I, for instance, was suspended.
	I had nothing to do with that tweet.
	I follow Visigrad24, but I did not engage with that tweet.
	I didn't even press the like button, let alone retweet it or quote tweet it.
	Many more people were banned.
	My guess is that the common denominator is that they are anti-woke.
	That's the common denominator.
	Yeah, this is kind of concerning because there have been some creeping cases of left-wing regressive tolerance, if you will, of It being solely focused on the right.
	All of the accounts that have been suspended have been right-wing and Elon Musk was supposed to be, you know, fixing this sort of thing.
	It was meant to be a free speech platform and yet we're getting these one-sided bans all over again which is quite concerning because of course Twitter has actually become quite the safe haven for political commentary these days and I've actually been quite enjoying it.
	The issue is though that the people that were there pre Elon Musk are still in place.
	And so, yes, they might want to take the wage and they might want to keep going.
	And did they do this just at the right time?
	To ban other people with this big account, you know, underneath the radar.
	It is concerning because, of course, we now expect that free speech on Twitter.
	Yeah.
	It's been nice pressing post and not having to think, that's going to get me a ban.
	Is that going to get me a ban?
	It's nice.
	It's felt good.
	But you're absolutely right.
	You know, it does always seem to be the accounts on the right that tend to get axed.
	And it's very arbitrary, because for every person who gets suspended, you can find ten other accounts that post way more weird stuff.
	Let me say it this way.
	So, David Atherton also was suspended, and he's reinstated, just like Vesegred24, and he's saying that there's a mass reporting of accounts that dare to tell the truth.
	And he's thanking Elon Musk for reinstating him.
	But David's got quite a large account as well.
	You'd think there'd be more checks and balances in place for people with a following.
	I mean, he appears on things like Talk TV, for example, and our show.
	And so, you know, he's Not nobody, he does the media circuit, you could describe him as a journalist and in shutting down his account, that is shutting down his free speech.
	Yes, he has a big account as well, he has around 200,000 followers.
	He was also suspended last night.
	It's great content as well from David.
	It's always great content.
	It's always factual and, you know, and it's constant.
	So, you know, to try and take him down and be unnoticed, it's never going to happen, is it?
	No.
	So now I want to say that I am absolutely grateful for the support of my friends, colleagues and all of the followers who made a fuss about it.
	You're welcome.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm really grateful and honored by your reaction.
	Thank you.
	And Carl here is defending me, and he is asking why was I banned.
	He did not like, comment, or share it.
	Meaning the infamous Vesegrad24 tweet.
	This isn't the only thing that happened.
	A lot of, thousands of accounts have been suspended.
	And if you see here, I'll just scroll down.
	A lot of people were reporting losing thousands of followers.
	Yeah.
	Just overnight.
	Thousands of followers.
	I lost about 150 reading it.
	You know, that's a big chunk for me.
	I'm not sure if it's from me sharing your, you know, the free Stelios post but I sort of gained it all back again so, you know, you took a fall so the rest of us could, you know, live.
	It's like Gandalf the Grey.
	Although I have a grey... Yeah, where's your white jacket?
	Yeah, I should have.
	So we have here, if you see, if we scroll down, people talking about losing thousands of followers.
	5,000 here.
	We have Gadsard asking why he lost more than 3,000 followers in a second.
	Karl also lost about a thousand followers.
	I saw this.
	I am a numbers person.
	I really like watching it in numbers.
	And I saw, I had an idea of a lot of... Well that's not that many for Karl really is it?
	Your loss was my gain.
	I actually increased a bit.
	I'm doing something awfully wrong.
	It was you all along, wasn't it?
	Again, if you see that page and we have the link, we have accounts talking about losing hundreds to thousands of followers.
	We have multiple large accounts reporting thousands, three to five thousand followers getting suspended.
	This isn't just a matter of vanity, is it?
	It's important for other reasons, right?
	Yes, of course.
	I mean, it's just reach.
	It's just reach.
	It's also your right to exercise free speech.
	Yeah.
	And it's also the right to exercise in your, let's say, abilities.
	Yeah.
	Your linguistic abilities to engage in public discussion.
	I did notice that of the accounts I did recognize, a lot of them were right-leaning as well.
	Yeah.
	So that's interesting, isn't it?
	I think this is the common denominator, because you have a lot of accounts, or not necessarily right-wing, that's the question, whether you could say right-leaning right now, because it's 2024, and it is the 27th of June.
	I'm just saying for context.
	It's the current year, yes.
	It's the current year.
	So, for instance, a lot of gender-critical feminists were suspended.
	Now, I wouldn't normally consider them right-wing, But they're sort of enemies of the ascendant faction of the left.
	Enemies of the state.
	Yes.
	So right now, especially when the T became prominent, they started approaching conservatives and other classical liberals and talking about their plight, and right now they may be seen as enemies of the progressive agenda.
	And yet, you know, you've got David Tennant actually saying that Kemi Bainock shouldn't exist.
	That is an appalling, appalling utterance from a lefty.
	But the Linnikers of this world never get suspended.
	They just get It's like the policing system isn't it?
	It's very much a clear double standard.
	Absolutely undeniable.
	And it isn't just an issue of losing following, it's also losing engagement.
	Here I have Frank J. McCormick, he says, the conservative account suppressions and suspensions on X may not be long fold, but they are his responsibility.
	Like many of you, despite higher engagement, my impressions and likes are lower than when I had a third of my current followers.
	I just want to know why.
	So it's also an issue of engagement.
	It isn't... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So shadow bans?
	Yeah, I think it is possible because I've not necessarily had that effect, but I imagine if it is a shadow ban, it's going to affect certain people specifically, right?
	So if certain people are having these massive drops in engagement, or at least it's not growing in a way that is linear, then you can presume that there are these shadow bans still carrying on, which I thought ...were being dealt with by Elon.
	I think he was intending to get rid of them altogether.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I suffered that from... I can't even remember the tweet, but the tweet went absolutely viral.
	And as you expect, you expect things to go up.
	Didn't go up, didn't go up, didn't go up.
	And it was... and yet... and Dan's was going up.
	Was it the TR thing?
	Possibly.
	Yeah.
	I know that the retweet, you were going up and mine was just flat.
	Yeah.
	And you think something's happening, but obviously you don't know what.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, the shadow bands are quite common as well, aren't they?
	So, you know, your account wouldn't be promoted unless I went on and searched for you.
	Yeah.
	I wouldn't see you in my feed.
	Yeah.
	And that's the type of things.
	But we've seen, you know, I've seen drops of numbers.
	Over the, you know, the couple of years, for example, but never this scale.
	And I've always put it down to dead accounts, bots, things like that, where when you, when you see 50 have dropped off or something and say, oh, strange if 50 went at once, but apparently it's a column of dead accounts.
	But this is something else, you know, this is absolutely something else.
	Yes, so I was just sent a message, like thousands of other people, that I just violated the rules.
	I wasn't told how, and I wasn't given any kind of deadline to say, for instance, that you have 12 hours to delete that tweet or something.
	I appealed it three times.
	I just got the same message back in response, an automatic response.
	And here, John Wong, He tweeted about it.
	He said, my Steam friend, thank you, John, has been suspended and he is talking about it.
	And he also circulated the photo.
	This was the photo I was sent.
	Right.
	So nothing else.
	This account won't be restored, that's what I was told.
	Thank you very much to the people here at Lotus Eaters who circulated this.
	We also had a Freestelios campaign that Josh kick-started.
	I didn't kick-start it.
	Our social media manager did this post first.
	I'm not taking any credit.
	But it did very well, didn't it?
	It circulated quite a lot.
	Yes, it did.
	And I think that without this, I would be still suspended.
	And this is also a thing that should be Taken into account by the people at Twitter and by Elon Musk, who is actually making Twitter better than it used to be.
	And I think he's doing a great job here, that a lot of accounts are being suspended because they're massively reported without actually having done something that is ban-worthy.
	And they didn't have the fortune that I had.
	There's lots of anti-philosophy people out there reporting you for sharing wisdom on Twitter for free.
	Yes, and I want to show you that it isn't just conservatives, classical liberals and those who just interacted with a Visegrad 24 tweet.
	It's far more widespread and it also covers Gender-critical feminists, you could say.
	We have here Carolyn Farrow talking about the Family Education Trust, and they were suspended.
	I will rephrase, the Family Education Trust, and they were suspended.
	And let me just show you what their profile looks like, which doesn't seem to me to be ban worthy.
	I think there's no reason to suspend it.
	They say the UK's National Research Institute investigating and informing public discourse on issues affecting the flourishing of the family.
	See, that's the word.
	Family.
	It's very, very dangerous in the People's Republic of South Wales or Wales.
	It's, you know, don't want that.
	The state is the mummy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	We have a very materialistic state across the West now.
	Everyone's just supposed to be a nanny state.
	Yeah.
	But they have retweeted JK Rowling and they have also And also you could say they post stuff about the current wars that are going on.
	that if you follow, you will see that very frequently they post gender critical stuff.
	Yeah.
	And also you could say they post stuff about the current wars that are going on.
	So it is not just the people who interacted with the Visegrad 24 tweet.
	There are thousands of people who are basically anti-woke.
	And you have here James Lindsay being right on this one.
	He says the common thing that they do is that they criticize woke tyranny.
	Yeah.
	So that's the enemy.
	That's the enemy as far as the progressivists are concerned.
	And you only have to see JK Rowling.
	She was a socialist and suddenly she stepped out of line and that was it.
	How quickly too.
	They cut the legs off and she's now a non-person.
	I really liked the example of before and after she expressed her gender-critical views and the articles on Pink News, there were puff piece after puff piece written about her, praising her, saying how wonderful she is, how she's an icon, then all of a sudden she is the devil incarnate.
	Well, they've done the same, didn't they, with, you know, a little bit off topic, but Ukraine, not so long before, they were putting about the far-right problems in Ukraine.
	A couple of years later... Corruption as well.
	Yeah, you know, so it's funny how the media can just switch their tune and go unchallenged.
	So basically now a lot of people are asking what happened, and it's not exactly certain what happened.
	Some people were suspended automatically because they interacted with a Visegrad24 tweet.
	Others are talking about a bot purge.
	And it was also suggested to me that my account may have been suspended because it sounds bawty or something.
	But it was verified.
	It is verified and it was re-verified a few days ago.
	Yes, I had to do that too.
	Yes, because they changed the picture.
	So they re-verified it a few days ago.
	So I don't think that this is plausible.
	Tweet out about needing someone's boots and motorcycle by any chance?
	No, I just I want to say that at some point AOC was dancing on stage.
	Mm-hmm.
	And she was saying that this was very fun.
	And I just said that twerking would be funnier.
	Yeah Maybe that's too spicy for for some people, but I don't think that is I I think that the general thing is that there are some people maybe still into the organization that have the anti-woke mentality and they flew under the radar.
	And I want to say, I want to give you just some examples as to why I may have been targeted.
	Yes.
	And people, because everyone was asking, you were saying, I publish philosophy stuff.
	You know, my delivery is not spicy.
	Yeah.
	So I have some anti-woke takes, like this one.
	I'm saying that people underestimate just how extremist wokeness can be, because there are some really bad tendencies within it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	In a nutshell, if people are saying that more and more things count as hate speech on the one hand, and they also have the silence is violence mentality on the other, well, there's nothing but celebration.
	So unless you celebrate something, As far as the woke is concerned, they can do anything against you because they complete self-defense.
	Anything they do against you, it's self-defense, because they will say that, well, you didn't speak about me, you didn't talk about me, you were silent, and silence is violence.
	Or hate speech, harm, psychological harm is also physical harm, that was violence, so that was what went on.
	Now, another tweet that I think is very important, especially In late June 2024, I was tweeting something about the parties that call themselves center-right.
	I think the English Conservative Party is one of them.
	And I think that they have absolutely turned their back on people who have traditional conservative values.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	They have taken them for granted.
	And they wanted to expand leftwards.
	And they're full of visionless pragmatists.
	And visionless administrators.
	And what happened is they tried to have it both ways.
	They tried to have a rhetoric that they thought appealed to people on the traditional right that was purely economic, and then they expanded towards the center with a different rhetoric that just regurgitates social democrat points.
	So what happened is that right now, they're presenting a lot of people in the West a dilemma between slow and fast social democracy.
	Yeah, this is not something, you know, this is productive engagement in political discourse.
	This is not something that should be banned, right?
	Yes, but I'm saying that this annoys people when you're exposing You could say woke people on... When you're making a good argument.
	The issue is that before Twitter, before social media, you would have political parties discussing topics.
	And then the left said, no, deplatform.
	We won't speak to them.
	We won't do that.
	So you had nowhere to go.
	Twitter is that.
	Old fashioned, I've got a view, argue with me.
	Yeah.
	And they don't want, now they're targeting that.
	And they've already captured Facebook.
	They've already captured YouTube, I'm afraid.
	And now they're after Twitter.
	And we've got to preserve it because the best antidote to anything vile is the oxygen of publicity.
	Yes.
	Just shine that light on them.
	That's what they don't want though, isn't it?
	Because they're what's vital.
	And the publicity, they like to be on them.
	And that's what they don't want.
	It functions basically like the separation of powers.
	Because, you know, if you have a state whose branches are distinct, you could say that they are creating obstacles in a system of checks and balances.
	So if we have only mainstream media, well, they're going to disintegrate.
	That's why we need all sorts of information we can get.
	So, last sentence before I got suspended was basically, and this is why censorship will sadly intensify in the next five years.
	I was talking to Captain Benjamin, who told me great poems here in Nice Long Post.
	Thank you, Captain.
	I told him we need to articulate a variety of clear and responsible visions and communicate them.
	Where the left sees structures that override agency, we must bring agency into the front.
	No other way.
	And this is why censorship will sadly intensify.
	And that is why I'm talking about the nanny state.
	The left right now wants us to view ourselves as just members of groups.
	There is no individual responsibility, no individuality.
	Everyone is just someone who is a passive, malleable thing without responsibilities.
	And two last things here.
	President Biden in June 19 said today on Juneteenth we celebrate all that is possible when we march forward together.
	May we all recommit to redeeming the very soul of America, choosing love over hate, unity over division and progress over retreat.
	So woke people and people who are putting forward progressivism are repeatedly are repeatedly doing this.
	They are divisive.
	Wokeness is inherently divisive.
	All the narratives of social justice are inherently divisive.
	And they preach hatred and a kind of multiculturalism that is justifying preferential treatment of some groups.
	So when people, I will say that when people put really matter of fact arguments, about these notions and the delivery is not spicy this is something that they really can't stand and i stand by this claim yeah yeah i really hate the name juneteenth it's a really silly name yes and uh
	one last thing because this is very important for people to know um when we are subjectivizing legislation and when laws are are framed in irreducibly subjectivist phrases like for instance uh when hate speech laws they're irreducibly subjectivist They're saying something is likely to cause harm.
	That increases the arbitrary power of the state.
	And they cannot call themselves progressive in any sense, in the actual sense of the term, because that's regressive.
	It's going back to pre, let's say, non-arbitrariness design of institutions.
	So that's the issue.
	I refuse to engage in public discussion where the terms are set by the left.
	That's why you see me sometimes very tense, because I'm really cautious about this.
	I don't want to talk as if the left is the supporter or the champion of liberty, reason and popular government.
	I just won't.
	But the issue is that even if you talked about love and flowers and trees and green and all sorts of things, because you are On the right, they will still find you and then report you.
	Where our argument has always been, if you don't like what we say, turn over.
	Switch off.
	Go and listen to something else.
	They do not want, at all, any other voice.
	They want just an echo chamber.
	And unfortunately, because most of the media is owned by certain people, And the world narrative is now being changed as well.
	You know, we are we are lone voices in this.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	So just to be clear, you still don't know actually why?
	No, I'm back.
	I was reinstated, but no reason was given.
	And it would be nice if we had a reason.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you?
	Because then you can think, right, OK, I'll be a little more careful about that, but because you don't know, you don't know.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Right.
	Shall we move on to this National Socialist problem in Wales, which I am very keen to hear about, actually.
	Yeah, so this is, well, it's the National Socialist problem in Wales.
	It isn't a new thing, and it is something that is going to trickle over into England.
	And this is something that we've been trying to warn about.
	I know every time you come up here, we've done segments on Wales, and we do that to try and highlight What you've got coming your way with a Labour government, because Mark Drakeford was told by Keir Starmer that he is the ideal way of running the country.
	All you've got to do is model yourself off Mark Drakeford.
	You know, you guys probably know what he or he's been up to anyway with, you know, the toughest lockdowns, what he did the Christmas, he shut all the shops on the night.
	So everybody then rushed out.
	There's lots of things that Mark Drakeford has done.
	He wanted to, he wanted to put Put a curfew on all men?
	Yeah, and that was because of the Sarah Everard.
	After six o'clock?
	Yeah, because it was a Green Party Lord, wasn't it, that mentioned it in the House of Lords and then he actually went ahead.
	Yes, he actually thought it would be a good idea, you know, which is unbelievable because, you know, the guy who was doing it was a cop anyway.
	Yeah, so he would be immune to a curfew anyway, because if there was a curfew where the police couldn't go, well it'd be great for criminals, wouldn't it?
	Absolutely.
	But this is something that we're seeing more and more now, and it is what they say in a style of protest.
	So give a little bit of a background.
	Stan was in a Hustons, you were actually on the panel of the Hustons as a candidate, and you were basically sat In front of, so they strategically sit you, and as you can imagine, Stan... I was on the far right.
	He was on the far right.
	And directly in front, which theirs would be the far left, was hope nor hate, or hate nor hope.
	And they sat them deliberately in front of Stan.
	So he was getting the heckles all night, wasn't he?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But the Hustons itself, This was like no other Hustons I've ever seen or known ever, because it's in the area of the Stradley Park Hotel.
	Now some of you viewers may remember when we came up before, we spoke about the victory of the Stradley Park Hotel over the Home Office, where they camped out for over 100 days, 24 hours a day protesting, and the Home Office pulled up.
	So it's a politically charged atmosphere and area right then, isn't it?
	Yeah, and the lefty vicar And also the compare was Hate Not Hope.
	So you've got the Chamber of Commerce was supposed to be apolitical.
	It's run by a Labour politician.
	So you've got this atmosphere.
	And in front of me, I had a trans and the wife or the husband, whichever.
	And because I have spoke about and spoke out about sex education in schools in Wales from three years of age and that Nia Griffiths has been introduced by a trans on a stage in front of children.
	Yeah.
	And I think it's vile if I'm being perfectly blunt.
	And so that's the setup that they thought they'd have me on.
	Yeah.
	And they had to do that because at the Stradley Park Hotel, all of the politicians, all levels of government, from councillors to senate members to MPs, they all, Conservatives, Plaid Cymru and Labour, all turned their back on the protesters.
	The Conservative candidate, you know, he said congratulations to everybody who was in the Hustons, which I thought was a bit rich, because he could have come along if he wanted to, but he didn't.
	But they were all ordered not to go, not to show support.
	So the people in the area aren't happy with the politicians.
	So they had to control it.
	And more than that, Dan, there were people there who were told, well, lost business, basically.
	They lost business because their vehicles were seen at that Straddy Park Hotel.
	And also people in the pictures that were beamed out, they were told, individuals were told, You cannot be there.
	And these were nurses, these were council employees.
	So not only do they try and control your life in work, but also your livelihood is controlled as well.
	And that explains why we go up to so many people and they say, I can't speak to you because I work for the council.
	Yeah, but we fully support you.
	But we fully support you.
	Those are the other words.
	Or they'll tell us a story, but they won't come on camera.
	Which is fine, because it gives us more background.
	But it just shows how evil and pervasive these socialists are in Wales.
	So what they want to do, and what they always try and do in Wales, you've got the state-sponsored media like Wales Online or Tales Online, we call them, and Nation Cymru, Nation Scumry, and they get their funding direct from Welsh Government.
	You know, Nation Cymru, we did a deep dive on them, and they're getting like £80,000 over the next four years of government funding.
	So they're going to print the Labour mantra, aren't they?
	They're not going to Bite the hands, feed them, quite literally.
	So they need to spin the narrative.
	And what happened is this headline came out.
	We don't need to really scroll through it all.
	But the private security brought into police general election, Huston's infinitely amid politically charged climate.
	Now, This is basically, the way this article reads then throughout is how there was so many people there protesting against it.
	Obviously they're all far right.
	People protesting for the first time were far right.
	So they needed to paint the picture that this is going to be a dangerous Hustings.
	We need private security because of the far right.
	However, we've got a lot of friends, actually, in the Labour Council, Labour councillors, for example, and other councillors, who will give us information and tell us things that are going on.
	And what we heard and what we were told is that private security was more concerned with the far left.
	Because what we're seeing now is their new habits of throwing things at or over candidates they don't like.
	And Stan features regularly on the local Hate Not Hope pages and the Nation Scumery and the Wales Onlines.
	Because, you know, like the constant reporting, it happens all the time to you, doesn't it?
	So there was concerns that the candidates weren't going to be safe to yourself.
	And there's a reform candidate, Gareth Beer, as well.
	And they were concerned how the left behave and that was going to be coming onto their doors.
	And that was the genuine left.
	Oh, sorry.
	So, yeah, so basically that's the narrative they wanted to paint.
	The troubles are going to be with the far right.
	However, it was with the far left.
	Now because the local councillors who were running it, Nia Griffiths is the local MP, she's there for Labour, and then you've got Plaid Cymru who run the council, so it was very Rigid, the rules of this Huston's.
	You were given three questions, albeit you had the wrong questions, so they give him three different questions and all the other candidates had the other ones.
	So on the day I saw your face, because literally on that day before we were sitting down having a beer, weren't we?
	And we were going through the questions and as soon as they asked the first question, I knew as they switched them, that he hasn't mentioned his question and we've seen your email.
	So But also you weren't allowed to directly question candidates.
	Now, a Hustins is an opportunity for the general public, the constituents, to ask questions of the politicians or the would-be politicians in front of them if they were to be elected, but that was totally banned.
	But surely that undermines the whole point of the event in the first place because otherwise they may as well just listen to party political broadcasts and read the manifesto rather than...
	Well, we were calling it a high no, you know, Huston's in name only, because that's absolutely what it was.
	So this isn't, well, it is kind of, because it shows what Stan's approach was to this.
	And this was Stan's first two minutes.
	And what happened is, because they weren't allowed to ask questions, Stan had been round the constituency already, and got a load of questions.
	And your two minute introduction, you used to ask them questions or put it to the politicians.
	But if we play this, I'll give you an idea of what it's about.
	There should be some audio there.
	Ladies and gentlemen, my name's Stan Robinson.
	I'm standing for the United Kingdom Independence Party here in Llanelli.
	My interest here is also with the Voice of Wales.
	I'm a co-presenter of that and the reason why I'm wearing my saucepan badge tonight.
	The questions that aren't being allowed to be asked is because this is a rigged Chamber of Commerce meeting and these are the questions that Daphne, Sue and Derek would like to have asked if they could have done.
	Why are they, in their 70s and 80s, being labelled far-right extremists for caring for their grandchildren when they were protesting outside of the Straddy Park Hotel?
	It is an absolute scandal.
	Rainer from Carway, a father of five, is homeschooling.
	And the reason for that is because Wales is absolutely the bottom of the class when it comes to kids.
	And also, they don't care about the school like Gilgotha, or any other one, because they care more about net zero.
	And that's the problem.
	They've got the budget.
	And yet they choose to spend it on net zero stuff.
	It is an absolute scandal.
	Whilst people are taking their kids out because of the indoctrination, and you're part of that indoctrination, Nia, because you go in and you stand there with trolls.
	You're picking another candidate.
	She's saying you're not allowed to attack the candidates.
	In the Hustings, it is generally that you have general questions from members of the public, not a select few.
	And I'm sorry, Reverend, but it's my two minutes, not your two minutes.
	So thank you very much.
	Floyd from Connecticut wants to know why she, she's got three children, she can't be housed in, she's got a substandard house and yet there are others who get off on a dinghy and they get housed within Carmarthenshire.
	It is not right and it's time to stop it.
	Charity begins at home and to give you a bit of biblical, do the little things.
	Well we're sick of not having the little things done in this town and that's why a city status will never be correct until you get the little things right and tidy this town up.
	Make Plymouthley great again.
	That's that.
	That's great stuff, by the way.
	And, you know, you had the most... It was a little bit of a funny story, but when this article came out you just saw there, it said, you know, at the moment there was 20 tickets available for the audience to buy, because the Labour Party stole most of them, and then they allowed 20 to go on sale.
	When we went on, there was 18 left, so we bought them all, and obviously filled the room.
	So, and then you had a really great time, and this is why that reverend over there, that lady in black, every time you spoke, They'd be harkening and interrupting basically.
	But that was the, and I wanted to put that in because it shows your energy.
	So it shows how much that type of thing being said.
	Napoleon said that Britain is a nation of shopkeepers and that's where we should start.
	And it's pretty standard stuff.
	It's not wrong at all.
	But then the next thing happened, which is where we get onto the segment heading with the National Socialist problem.
	Now this is a Labour councillor.
	His name is Gary Jones.
	And yeah, we'll play the video and then you can see for yourselves. - Napoleon said that Britain is a nation of shopkeepers and that's where we should start.
	The small businesses, get them on their feet.
	If it means that we have free parking in town, that's what we do.
	We've got to get the small businesses up and running.
	We've got to get the market traders back trading inflectly.
	Not listen to you.
	You see Kyle in there, that's the thing.
	You see Kyle in there.
	So that's four.
	So you didn't just look once, four did it.
	You should ask him to leave.
	You should be always.
	You should be always.
	Go, go, go.
	And that kid's not fair enough to the side of the room.
	She's a little bit of a lot of the pieces.
	Out, out, out, out.
	Just watch him now and put some kids.
	So he's not even correcting.
	There you go.
	Did they really say that the five 17-year-olds were far-right extremists?
	Yes, yeah, everybody that went there and, you know, it gets worse than that.
	I was toying with the two ideas because now we've got this guy's ex-EDL, he now works with Prevent and he's there to, you know, get involved and they're going into local colleges Giving a speech about how the far-right recruit people and if your parents or brothers are becoming part of the far-right, take a form and you can have a chat with us anonymously.
	So they, you know, they're proactively going to school.
	You can dub in your own parents.
	It's a bit like the killing fields in Vietnam where the, you know, the state was, the parents were crossed out and the state was the parents and we're one step Off that in Wales.
	That's how bad and pernicious the Welsh are now, the Welsh socialists are.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So obviously, you know, you can see that didn't go down well at all with the people in the audience.
	Even some on the left were saying, that's out of order, you shouldn't be doing that.
	And, you know, hats off to them because normally they put their head in the sand, like Nia Griffiths did.
	You know, he campaigns for her and she sat there saying nothing.
	But obviously we put this all over social media and we were expecting an actual response from the Labour Party.
	However, we don't need to go through these articles, I just wanted to show you the headlines.
	Because we had reported it online, the state-sponsored media then had to But they come out in support.
	So they basically speak to him, try and get his version of events.
	They say that it was in protest, you know, he doesn't, he didn't mean it, he regrets it and all this.
	So they want to get that out straight away.
	However, you can see by the video, you know, he didn't do it once and then think, oh, no, he did it four times, blew a kiss on the way out as well.
	So there was no remorse.
	And his finger under his nose while he was doing it.
	You can't see it in that one, but they were reports from people who were around him.
	So, Nation Cymru come up with this one.
	And then if you go on to the next one, it's Wales Online.
	Again, this, you know, it says it's written by a different person.
	This is by Abi, whatever.
	I can't read it from here.
	But it's word for word, more or less, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's word for word.
	And what they're saying is, what they're making it out to be is, I should be apologetic.
	Yeah.
	I should be the one that has Hess whip my own back and ring a bell and say unclean internationally.
	It's him and the leadership in Labour.
	Not one of them have come out and said this is appalling.
	You know, we've seen attacks on MPs, we've seen attacks on candidates.
	Nigel Farage has been milkshaked, etc, etc.
	And the Labour Party are the first to say, oh, we need a kinder, gentler politics.
	When it comes to people on the right.
	Yeah, because it's particularly significant.
	It doesn't seem, you know, that important.
	You could sort of brush it off.
	But the sort of subtext of it is that he's signalling that you have National Socialist views, which you don't have, obviously.
	And that would be a pretext for people on the left or even people on the right as well to be violent towards you.
	I mean, the whole thing.
	He's fascinated with Franco.
	I wrote a piece two years ago, or more than two years ago, about Franco and the fact that because he remained neutral It saved Gibraltar, and therefore, we wouldn't have won if Gibraltar had been conquered.
	That's for sure.
	The Germans would have kept Greece, Malta, Cyprus, the oil fields, the whole of North Africa, and we would have lost.
	We would have lost absolutely.
	And so, the pretext of the essay was, my enemy's enemy is my friend.
	And that was it.
	And since then, This has been a campaign that he's run.
	But this makes zero sense if they took an issue with, because you could say that if World War II had never happened, the British Empire wouldn't have the fate it did have.
	That doesn't mean that the person who started it was a friend of the British Empire.
	Yeah, correct.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So just absolute total fallacy.
	Yeah.
	And you know, this isn't an isolated incident.
	There's another one that this is recent.
	This is all within this election campaign, by the way.
	And if you play this video, this is a guy in Sketty.
	Which is in Swansea.
	See, he did it there.
	Excuse me, yeah?
	Goodbye!
	You're on camera.
	Yeah, goodbye.
	So obviously he's trying to change it now.
	Goodbye.
	All right, I'll put you down as a gate.
	Yes, all right, I'll put you down as a gate.
	So the pretext of this is he'd said, no, I don't want your leaflet.
	So then he turned around and started doing the Hitler salute again to his face on his doorstep.
	And that, you know, to me, you know, we go door knocking when, you know, in your campaign and stuff like that.
	And if someone says, no, I'm all right, thank you.
	We say, no problem.
	Have a lovely day.
	But that is their response, and this is the kind of gentler politician that the Labour Party is preaching, because again, nothing has happened to this guy.
	But lastly, because I know we're pushing the time here, there is an example of what has happened.
	This will go back to 2017, however, Nazi salute Plymouth councillor Johnny Morris suspended.
	I remember that, yeah.
	And they actually had, you know, the Devon and Cornwall Police actually were investigating it as public order.
	The Labour Party, no nonsense, got rid of him straight away.
	This is back in 2017.
	And does this show how times change?
	Or does this show what Welsh Labour is like and how extreme it is compared to what you've seen here in England?
	Is it a taste of what you've got to come?
	And, you know, my opinion is You do something like this in a Huston's where you've got constituents, your own constituents, where some are veterans, some have lost people in the war, and you do something like that.
	It should be instant, no messing around.
	Some people in that audience could be Jewish.
	Yeah.
	He did not know.
	Exactly, exactly.
	When he did that vile act.
	Yeah, so I don't know if I'm wrong.
	Is this an offence that should make you, well, get you suspended?
	Should the police be involved?
	I guess I believe so.
	Yeah.
	And that's, you know, no matter which side of politics it comes from, if anybody's prepared to do something like that in public, then they should be dealt with.
	But the Labour Party in Wales just rushed to the defence of the councillor.
	A politician, certainly.
	Yeah.
	You know, a politician, definitely.
	Yeah.
	I think it's one of those things where it's very difficult to draw a line between free expression.
	Like, I get my middle name from someone who died in World War Two fighting against the Germans, so I'm certainly no apologist, but at the same time if it's done in satire I can see circumstances where it could be acceptable, but at the same time I agree that it is inappropriate for politicians to do it, particularly in Britain when there are people who have lost family members.
	It's just insensitive and needless and sensationalist and it's signalling to certain people that perhaps you should target this person.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You know, we've just had D-Day, you know, and we've seen the amount of men that are left taking that trip, you know, that's sailing over.
	It's, you know, a handful now, isn't it?
	I think it's five or six maybe?
	You know, and we've still got people in living memory or, you know, that are living now that remember these things and to have counsellors doing this.
	Now, my argument is when people have said, oh, he was joking and it's like, well, let's judge him by his standards.
	What would he want to happen if Stan had done that?
	You know, and he'd be in a gulag, simple as.
	I mean, my dad's brother died at Arnhem.
	So I had a grandfather I never knew.
	He was killed, and in the First World War, although it was the Kaiser then, but we lost family members there.
	So it is still raw, and for politicians to do that, it's completely unacceptable.
	There's a time and a place.
	So that's pretty much it on the rise of the National Socialists in Wales?
	Well um that was slightly depressing but now uh for something a bit more upbeat and that is tribes.
	I know we don't talk about tribal politics that often uh oh wait that's a joke of course yes we do but this time it's actual tribes um and I wanted to talk a little bit about something that's been in the news you might be able to preempt based on what I'm talking about first what news story this might be but um I wanted to talk preliminarily about Isolated tribes.
	Obviously, this isn't a problem in the upcoming elections in both the UK and US, but there is something very, very important.
	There's an important bit of commentary here that is of interest to all human beings, I think.
	But don't worry, I'll get to it.
	There's a bit of a surprise.
	It's going to be a bit of fun.
	Obviously, tribes that come into contact with Europe, they don't tend to fare too well.
	In Australia, for example, they have significant problems with alcohol abuse.
	We've got examples where the Australian government has to put out information campaigns telling them not to drink petrol.
	They sleep in the middle of the road.
	There have been videos saying, please don't sleep in the road because you'll get hit by a car.
	You know, they're not faring too well with Modernity, let's just say that, and you know it's to the point where Australia has to re-ban alcohol in some Aboriginal communities just to make sure they don't drink themselves to death, which is actually quite tragic really.
	Because, you know, I'm joking around, but you know, I have a certain amount of admiration for people who live as hunter-gatherers, right?
	I grew up on the edge of Dartmoor, I like my camping, I watched Ray Mears growing up, love my bushcraft, so I've got a certain amount of respect for it.
	I'm not putting them down, I'm just saying that there's a certain responsibility that we have not to spoil their way of life and I think sometimes that does happen when there is contact between the two.
	Things like the North Sentinelese, famous now in the news because Lord Miles is saying that he's going to go there, don't think he's being serious, but part of the reason that they're so hostile to outsiders and they killed an American, I think he was there to convert them to Christianity if I remember rightly off the top of my head, but they became hostile after Contracting diseases from coming into contact with the outside world.
	And in fact, you've got people in the Andaman Islands, which is, you know, sort of Indian Ocean as well.
	And they supposedly were hit pretty heavily with coronavirus of all things, because they simply don't have the immune systems.
	Right, but you know there are lots of cases of other diseases.
	You've got the Native Americans with smallpox and so they don't have immune systems.
	It is dangerous for them and there's also things like this.
	Uncontacted tribes in Indonesia coming across illegal mining and logging and this happens in the Amazon as well and this threatens their way of life and it's Making them force to end their isolation in the Amazon, which I think is a tragedy really.
	It's similar in my mind to having a species go extinct that a culture has to be forced to be destroyed.
	And it's to the point now where there are Magazines like Time saying, is it ethical to leave uncontacted tribes alone?
	And I think it should be the opposite question really.
	Should it be ethical to contact them?
	I think they should be left alone personally to mind their own business.
	Because clearly we're not doing them any favours from what we've had here.
	They seem happy enough.
	Yeah, they do.
	And that leads us to this.
	The internet's final frontier, remote Amazon tribes.
	So this is a story about how a journalist took the trek into a remote part of the Amazon to find out what a remote, isolated tribe, how it's faring after it's got Elon Musk's Starlink.
	Right.
	Which I think is a great thing, right?
	You can be in the middle of the Amazon and you can get high speed internet.
	I like that.
	I mean, I want that all over the world.
	I can't get it anywhere in Wales.
	Yeah, I don't even get it in Swindon.
	That's an interesting title because they're saying Elon Musk's Starlink has connected an isolated tribe to the outside world and divided it from within.
	Well obviously there's an incentive here to paint Elon Musk as being a bad guy because he's got naughty politics and therefore him providing them with internet is bad and he's destroying their culture because it's Elon Musk, it's him personally that's doing this.
	He just hates Amazonian tribes.
	They really don't like the dissolution of that culture but they have zero problem with the destruction of other cultures.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But this article is very long and I actually quite enjoyed reading it despite the sort of political agenda.
	It was quite interesting from a sort of anthropological perspective.
	It did try and sort of grapple with the issues and weigh up the pros and cons and sort of give a spectrum of opinions.
	But of course, they've got to have a sort of clickbaity title that gets people to read it.
	Right.
	So this is actually talking about the Marubo people, which is about a 2000 plus strong tribe in the Amazon, the Brazilian Amazon, that is.
	And this article, which doesn't make any mention of, you know, any of the problems in the headline, other than slightly divided, sparked a very large amount of coverage from other outlets, but it took a slightly different tone.
	So here we have the New York Post saying, remote Amazon tribe finally connects to internet only to wind up hooked on porn and social media.
	Which I think it's hard to imagine that these tribes who are still living sort of semi-hunter-gatherer lifestyles are there posting on social media just like, just you know, wrestled an anaconda today.
	Humble bragging and then they go back to their hut and who knows what in the privacy of their leaves.
	So this was published at the start of June and it's one of the first articles written about this and taking this angle and I'm going to read a little bit from it because the language they use and how they explain it's going to become very important.
	A reclusive tribe in the Amazon finally got hooked up to the internet thanks to Elon Musk only to be torn apart by social media and pornography addictions elders complain.
	Brazil's 2,000 member Marubo tribe has been left bitterly divided by the arrival of Tesla founders Starlink service nine months ago, which connected the remote rainforest community along the Itui River to the web for the first time.
	This is a direct quote.
	When it arrived, everyone was happy.
	Tassie Nama Marubo, 73, told the New York Times.
	But now things have gotten worse.
	Young people have gotten lazy because of the internet.
	They're learning the ways of the white people, which I feel is a bit harsh.
	It's pretty true though.
	When you look at the younger generation now, social media is all they do.
	They sit on TikTok, Facebook.
	It tends to be their life now.
	I think there's been a pushback in recent years.
	None of my old school friends have Facebook accounts anymore.
	I got rid of mine.
	Loads of people are moving away from it because they realise it's pretty vapid and meaningless.
	I mean like the young, like 16 year olds now.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Before they know better, I think.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And we remember it coming in.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We've seen the damage, whereas to them it's the norm.
	So yeah, yeah.
	I mean, it was about when I was still in school.
	Yes.
	I'm only 28, although this job has aged me a bit.
	But yes, and there was a follow-up article from the New York Times that sort of rebutted this narrative because over a hundred different outlets covered this angle of this story, saying yeah Elon Musk got an Amazonian tribe addicted to porn was the angle, and we'll be naming and shaming them later.
	This is the same guy who went to the Amazonian tribe, did the article, you know, spoke to them.
	He was there, he's the one to know, and he says no, they did not get addicted to porn.
	So he goes on to say actually the leader of the tribe spent a year outside of the jungle and thought that Starlink could help his tribe get better internet because they had it already.
	So they decided, as a community, after they discussed it, weighed up the pros and cons, which he communicated to them, they decided that it's more useful than harmful.
	So it wasn't just something that they had no idea of.
	It's not that they have no contact with the outside world, it's just that they had it because it provides better internet than getting a cable from like some of the more urban areas of brazil and running it all the way through the amazon it makes more sense to do that and so it was misrepresented that these were just people who were completely uncontacted no notion of the outside world
	and um in fact it says that most people in the community think it's an overall positive thing um with few downsides and i've got a direct quote here and it says over the past week um more than 100 websites around the world have published headlines that falsely claim that Maribo have become addicted to porn...
	Alongside those headlines the sites published images of the Marubo people in their villages and It's worth mentioning that this culture frowns upon even kissing in public.
	Right.
	So the notion that they're going to be, you know, they're so conservative that they don't even like that.
	Yeah.
	So the notion that they're going to be all, you know, be addicted to pornography is a bit much.
	So what actually happened was there was a single case that is mentioned in the original New York Times article of a minor posting pornography in a WhatsApp group chat, which is obviously not ideal.
	That's something that wouldn't have happened otherwise.
	And obviously that's bad.
	But One case where they were told off and said, don't do that again, don't look at that, it's bad for you, which is what actually happened, doesn't mean the entire tribe is approving of it.
	That's very, very different.
	It wouldn't make a title.
	But you've got to think that If he was just putting the satellite stuff there, they had to have mobile phones in the first place.
	Well, exactly.
	So people thinking about this, reading that, would have thought, oh, so they'd have had to teach them to read and write.
	Yeah, there's a lot of things you'd have to learn, isn't there?
	Give them mobile phones, power banks.
	I was under the impression of, you know, like, you know, bringing in this brand new thing and they say, ooh, you know, but obviously not.
	You see what you've got there is something that mainstream journalists don't have.
	It's common sense.
	Yes.
	Rational inference as well.
	But yes, the misreporting of this story by all of the mainstream media has obviously caused a major amount of distress in the tribe because it's caused them a lot of reputational damage.
	You know, if wherever they go people are doing obscene hand gestures to signal what they get up to in their huts, then It's gonna hurt their feelings!
	Because they are human beings, you know?
	And they do work in like small towns in sort of the more conventionally Brazilian parts of the Amazon.
	They live, work and study there.
	They're not completely isolated and there are rumours in these towns about these people now and they're gonna have to live with it because of the mainstream media coverage.
	And also of course they have access to the internet.
	So they can be trolled and abused directly now by people on the internet.
	The notion that in my living memory I can troll a remote Amazonian tribe I didn't think was possible.
	But obviously don't do it, it's mean.
	I'd love the headline, Elon bans tribe in Amazonia.
	D-platforms.
	D-platforms.
	A tribe member gets suspended!
	It's very interesting how they explain because they're spot-on as to why this has actually happened.
	It says many of the sites that distorted this detail are news aggregators, meaning their business model is largely designed around repackaging the reporting of other news organizations with often sensationalist headlines to sell ads, which is 100% true.
	Because these sites also link to the original reporting they're generally legally protected even if they misrepresent the material.
	By now these sorts of sites and misleading headlines are just another part of the internet economy.
	To an informed internet user their tactics are familiar but for the Marubo people however the experience was bewildering and infuriating.
	Send us that link!
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	And even Elon Musk fell victim to a bit of misinformation.
	So I don't know who this guy is.
	S.E.
	Robinson Jr.
	says the New York Times posted a false story about Starlink and an Amazonian tribe.
	But it wasn't a false story.
	It wasn't them that actually got it wrong.
	They were the ones that were the original story that was misrepresented and then Elon Musk is now presenting misinformation on top of misinformation here.
	It was disrespectful and unkind of the New York Times to say that about the tribe but it actually wasn't them.
	yeah and i'm no defender of the new york times they're not paying me any money by the way and i have done an entire book club on a book exposing stories of where the new york times has actively misrepresented and lied so you can watch that me and harry did it a long time ago yes not a fan of them but you know i do actually uh care about something that isn't cared about too much anymore it's uh it's called truth um it's a an oft overlooked thing in this day and age but um yes
	it's also worth mentioning another person out on the internet this gave me hope for humanity did their due diligence and actually did some research and said that they've been using the internet for a long time this isn't really anything new they've been able to access this sort of thing and here's a picture to sort of prove it um They'd already had internet, yes.
	So, well done to Jason Kobler, I think his name is.
	You are one of the few people on the internet that actually presented this correctly.
	And yes, I think it's time to name and shame some of the outlets that fell victim to this sensationalism because there's nothing I like more than shaming mainstream journalists, you know, rubbing their nose in their mistakes.
	So, starting with The Telegraph.
	Remote Tribe gets hooked on internet porn and I can't see the author of this one to name and shame them.
	Yep, you don't even get to see it, but there we go.
	And then you have this outlet called, I think it's called Futurism or The Byte.
	I don't know which one it is, but I wasn't really familiar with them.
	They say they've got internet and got hooked on porn and social media, same as the New York Post.
	Because I didn't know this place, I looked up who they were and on their About Us it says, we're a small award-winning independent team of reporters and writers who pride ourselves on a commitment to accuracy and ethics in journalism.
	Everyone says this.
	The Bitter Irony, and then you have outlets like NME, Elon Musk gave an Amazon tribe the internet and now they're addicted to porn just directly trying to smear Elon Musk here.
	Then of course The Mirror saying much the same thing, unfortunate addictions.
	Again, not true.
	The Irish star.
	Addictions after being given internet access by Elon Musk.
	Any opportunity to attack Elon, I think it is.
	Fox News as well.
	Amazon Tribe Starlink internet access made kids lazy, hooked on social media.
	They didn't say pornography though, so missed out on something.
	I think they're probably just trying to backshot young people.
	Yeah, they're lazy now.
	Yeah, and left-wing outlet Joe.co.uk, here we go, falling afoul of misinformation.
	It's good to see them failing because they are insufferable.
	Oh yes, absolutely.
	And one of the most sensationalists of all, unsurprising, was TMZ.
	Tribe Starlink hookup results in porn addiction with three exclamation points.
	Not true.
	And this one was the funniest of all, I think, from Moneywise.
	An isolated Amazon tribe got connected to the internet through Elon Musk's Starlink, and now they're glued to explicit adult sites and social media.
	Here's how to buy Starlink pre-IPO.
	And if you don't know, a pre-IPO investment means buying shares in a private company before its initial public offering.
	So that means, like, Elon Musk has got these tribals addicted to porn, here's how you can profit off of it.
	Which is just delightfully evil.
	I love to see that level of malevolence in the world.
	But yes, what started out as a cautionary tale about the dangers of the internet has turned into a cautionary tale about the dangers of the internet.
	Yeah.
	It's just such lazy journalism, isn't it?
	You know, it's such lazy journalism.
	They've got a headline and then it's just been, you know, just filtered and filtered and filtered and filtered on.
	Yeah, and that's the basis of my complaint, isn't it?
	But yeah, there's obviously very important social consequences to this, aren't there?
	That tribe's now been defamed.
	They're known as the sort of basement dwelling, terminally online tribe.
	But this is the problem, is that there's no... they get away with it.
	They get away with this all the time, you know, no matter what.
	There's never any repercussions that comes back on these media sites for printing stuff like this, no matter what effect it has on people.
	Except, of course, GB News, who's always in the off-guard.
	Well, yeah, there's a wrong side, isn't there?
	A wrong side.
	The funny thing is, that tribe actually has a lawyer, and...
	Lawyer of the tribe of Gooners.
	So remote Amazon tribe has a lawyer?
	They do.
	And they're part of the tribe as well.
	So it might actually turn out that they're going to get some legal recompense at the end, which would be a silver lining, wouldn't it?
	Could you imagine all the mainstream media getting sued by an Amazonian tribe?
	Yes, and them winning.
	Their huts are going to be paved in gold.
	It's going to be lovely.
	I was going to say, what would they spend it on?
	What would they buy?
	They're gonna be loaded by the end of it.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, let's go to some of the video comments, shall we?
	When Torben willingly took the poison.
	Oh yeah!
	When she can't- She ain't got no force juice!
	Oh yeah!
	And creator Leslie Hedlin said that's exactly why she cast Carrie-Anne Moss.
	Going from space knights or space monks to space social workers.
	That was a very surrealist bit of political commentary, but I get what was trying to be said here, that the new Star Wars series, it had, I don't know if you've had the misfortune of watching it.
	I saw clips of it, and there's a part where they have a lesbian couple immaculately conceive children, but by having this weird feminist witch coven, chanting, by the power of one, by the power of many, it's unbelievable.
	See, like Star Wars for me, episode one, I turned it off.
	You know, the original three, obviously, whatever they're called, New Hope, Empire and Jedi.
	I watched them.
	I started episode one, I was excited for it.
	I watched it, thought, no, this isn't Star Wars.
	I'd rather keep my memories of Star Wars.
	I stopped at episode eight, The Last Jedi.
	I just Yeah, like the modern reboots were awful, weren't they?
	They were insulting.
	I wanted to ask for a refund, but you can't do that.
	Yeah, but you don't understand why they're doing this.
	Obviously, it's to go woke, but they know that it's not going to sell.
	Yeah, it's suicide.
	They know it's not going to sell.
	It's going to be a bad light thing.
	Yeah, guaranteed.
	Hey Lotus Eaters, I first just want to thank you guys for everything that you do.
	I've been working longer hours recently and you guys help make the day go by a little faster.
	I'm also trying to exercise more and bulk myself up, but one of the issues that I'm having is that I don't really trust a lot of the food in the supermarkets, especially in America.
	So I was curious if you guys have any resources on what ingredients I should avoid or how I can find this out.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for this.
	I mean, I'm not an expert, but I'd say just trust home cooking.
	Yeah, there's nothing wrong with fresh locally sourced ingredients usually, but I'm certainly no expert on nutrition and all that sort of thing, but I can tell you what I avoid, and that is because of all the microplastics and a lot of plastic Bottles and things like that.
	I try and avoid that.
	Drink a lot of filtered water.
	Try and buy fresh fruit and veg and meat that's locally sourced, not mass-produced, not, you know, made long life by chemicals, things like that.
	Keeping away from preservatives, you know, frozen foods, things like that.
	You know, you can't go wrong with that sort of thing.
	Just fresh food, locally sourced.
	Lots of different things.
	That's all you really need to do.
	The raw ingredients, not pre-blitzed.
	I think there's a place in Italy where they are eating raw ingredients and not much and they're fasting and a lot of people from there live more than a century.
	Yeah, also vegetable oils, seed oils, they're not good for you, your body can't really metabolise them very well in a lot of fast food, so avoid that sort of stuff.
	That's what I do anyway, this is not advice, necessarily.
	And the fake milks!
	Yeah.
	Do you think we're oat milk?
	Yeah, estrogen.
	So it's not actually healthy?
	Yeah.
	It's just the off-cut oats.
	Oh, no, it's not even oat, it's almond milk and things like that.
	Yeah, it's not healthy.
	They're misshaped.
	So it's, oh, we need something to do with this.
	Milk.
	Market it as healthy milk alternative.
	I don't even know how they get milk from an almond.
	They don't have mickles, do they?
	I have a theory on how phases of liberalism have impacted British colonies.
	Locke, with his emphasis of negative liberalism, and Rousseau's positive liberalism, were ascendant while the US and Canada were developing into nations.
	However, due to the French influence, Canada leant way more towards positive liberalism.
	Later, Bentham arrived with his emphasis on utility, which he was willing to borrow from both.
	This is when Australia was developing.
	I think it definitely explains a lot about the characteristics of each former colony.
	I 100% agree and it's also worth mentioning the distinction between English and French liberalism because they're very different things, they're different animals and I think that when people talk about liberalism they should differentiate the two because, as Stelios I'm sure will tell us, they lead to entirely different outcomes.
	Well, yes, I think you're correct.
	Rousseau is definitely the main culprit here, but we do have to say also that there are some really based French liberals like Constant, Montesquieu, very based, and also Tocqueville.
	I absolutely agree with you.
	But the interesting thing that Mason is raising here is that if you really are a utilitarian, You really devolve into being just a pragmatist, because when they're talking about, you know, what's the greater good, they're just very flexible.
	They can be incredibly flexible about it.
	Well, I like the vision in Hot Fuzz, the greater good.
	They had a lovely community there, didn't they?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What's up Lotus Eaters?
	Long time no see.
	Hope you're doing all well.
	I thought I'd update you guys and let you know by doing some videos around Sydney.
	Show you the unique qualities that this interesting city has.
	I'll also be doing some light-hearted videos.
	I'll try not to delve too much into politics.
	But here and there I might do some politics about Australia and how we're going.
	But yeah, hope you enjoy my upcoming videos.
	I look forward to it.
	I actually really like video comments that aren't about politics.
	And I know I'm a political commentator and I talk about politics all the time.
	I'm being paid to be here.
	But that's why it's a palate cleanser, right?
	You need it.
	And then I feel like I can concentrate more on it because when people show us like the flowers in their garden or their pets or things like that, or they've been out in nature, that's Where my heart lies.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I agree.
	You have to have some wholesome content.
	Because, you know, you see, especially when it's our business to be online, we see all sorts of weird stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hang on a minute.
	It's just working videos.
	We're not the most prudish members here.
	That's true.
	You know, I like, you know, fending the prudes.
	The ban is making more sense.
	There's actually a great, on Twitter, sorry not Twitter, on Getter, you've actually got a relaxation tab at the top so you can do all your politics on one and then towards the end of the night you click the other and it's cats fighting with other cats or cats fighting with dogs or little ducklings being taken away by the mother and it's great!
	- It winds you down and then you can go off there and then you start on your politics.
	- Yeah.
	- It's like a de-stress, it's like you're up there.
	Bring it down, right, let's go again.
	- If you could tell us some basic notes on what deviates from the common narrative, I've not.
	- Okay, Josh, you really should watch the videos I recommended, but here is the pre-see.
	In the immediate aftermath of the disaster, the Soviet ministries came together to pin the blame and set the story.
	They had to, to save face internationally and quash further investigation.
	To that end, they lied about what happened and interpreted operating procedures unfairly.
	The operators were not careless or arguing, and they did not vary dangerously from the test parameters.
	Valery Legasov was not the hero.
	He was a liar.
	Okay, well, that's Chernobyl guy.
	I'm gonna subscribe right now because I felt that comment of you really should watch that.
	But no, I always appreciate your comments.
	Cheers.
	This is just an amazing story, what happens.
	Just weird.
	Yeah.
	That disaster was just weird.
	Yeah.
	I watched a documentary last night, actually, about all of the wildlife returning to Chernobyl, and it was great.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's like a sanctuary now, isn't it?
	Yeah, I saw a clip where a bear slid down a tin roof like a slide.
	I couldn't believe it.
	The mayor went and stole some plutonium or something.
	Well, I mean, I like the take on it with Top Gear.
	There's a driving through it.
	Speed.
	People never moved as well within the zone.
	There are people that still live in the exclusion zone.
	So we've got some comments as well.
	The Shadowband for $50.
	Thank you very much by the way.
	Tell the truth Stelios, you got banned from Twitter for posting a selfie with Freddie didn't you?
	Explain to the people at home who Freddie is by the way.
	First of all I want to thank you Shadowband.
	If I had done so, I think it would have been viral, I think.
	So basically what happened, Freddie is basically a human, I didn't name it, it's just some excrement on a street nearby, and a member of the staff here just named it Freddie at some point.
	And we were talking about Swindon and I made a comedic segment about Swindon.
	I was touring people at Swindon and I was basically showing the good parts.
	And I said that I'm going to give you the Pyongyang tour.
	And I just took them to a really good street and showed them with a GPS and stuff and Google Navigator.
	And I said, okay, let's just zoom out.
	It's a choice, because I really think that a lot of the stuff that our politicians are presenting to us as being inevitable consequences, they're a choice.
	It is a choice to have radically Non-clean streets.
	Yeah, but the justification for this was there was so much excrement on the streets of Swindon in the boat people days that you could go around naming them all because it was so frequent.
	It was just our sort of tongue-in-cheek way of poking fun at it.
	Someone online says it's an election year and Supreme Court just said they don't have precedent to stop the government from ordering tech platforms to do stuff.
	That is a very good point and yes it's only going to get worse in that sense isn't it until the elections are over with and Trump arrests everyone.
	John Cloud says how long will the all-night stream go on for?
	I'm not entirely sure but I know it's going to be a very long stream.
	It's going to be the longest Lotus Eaters stream we've ever done by It could go on till six.
	It could go on later.
	I think, as Samson said, if you didn't hear, six in the morning is the hard cut off, but maybe three o'clock, maybe a bit later, and I think we're starting about seven-ish, is that right?
	I'm going to sue if it's not all night, because you've labelled it as all night!
	It is all night!
	Don't end at three o'clock!
	I highly doubt it's going to stop at three o'clock, to be honest.
	But there you go.
	We just welcome Voice of Wales!
	Okay, Lord Nereva.
	I don't know, but I'm inclined to believe the last couple of Twitter bans may have been either genuine mistakes or some rogue employee swinging the hammer around.
	Everyone who was banned is now back, and I believe I'm right in saying everyone was restored within 48 hours.
	Worrying, yes, but a wait-and-see for me.
	Well, it should be a wait-and-see, and everyone is awaiting to actually listen to what happened.
	Caroline List.
	Caroline List.
	The Lotus Ladies were ready to ride at dawn at the news Stelios was in Twitter prison.
	Oh, look at that.
	This is so wholesome.
	Now, this is an interesting comment by Theodore Pinnock.
	He says, Visegrad's ban was completely justified.
	You can't post graphic images of a child being abused just because you are saying it's bad.
	That's still graphic images of a child being abused.
	No, that is true.
	I mean, I'd also be very frustrated because I follow them and thankfully I didn't see it.
	But if you're scrolling through your timeline and you see that, I've seen it before where there's like public nudity pictures and things like that.
	I didn't really want to see that.
	I at least wanted to know what I was getting in for.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I really think that, I mean, At least they could have the warning that, you know, you should take it down in some hours because they're doing a great job and all so many stuff.
	But yeah, that was unacceptable.
	And Emos, kudos to the Lotus Eaters Media person who initiated Freestelius.
	Is this fine person Daisy?
	Yes.
	Thank you, Daisy.
	Elon is going to allow live streaming of the U.S.
	presidential debates and told CNN to pound sand, since he only cares for dramatic, non-woke, big-picture gestures, not shadow bans.
	Roman Observer, Stelios, please say, I'll be back.
	I'm back.
	Kevin Fox, that's the whole point.
	That's for you, but I will say it.
	That's the whole point, Stan.
	They don't tell you what you did wrong in the hope you'll be too scared to stay on the platforms so the left can have the platforms to themselves.
	There definitely is a fifth column still within X somewhere.
	Garlic Goblin, awesome.
	Great to see the Voice of Wales boys back on.
	Thank you.
	LadyDragonHawk, let's face it, Stelios, you were suspended for being more coherent and eloquent in English, which isn't your native tongue, than the moronic leftists.
	Stop making them look bad.
	Thank you, LadyDragonHawk.
	I mean, Ewan Baker, one of my accounts that is actually me is banned.
	What does that mean?
	I never tweeted or retweeted or liked anything.
	That's weird.
	Yeah, don't know what this means.
	Okay, John V. I'm glad Stelios got his account back so quickly.
	Thank you, John V. Derek Powell, to circumvent the curfew, declare yourself trans.
	One problem requires modern solutions.
	George Happ.
	Stelios is a spicy boy.
	Shall I read this?
	He probably got drunk and told the truth about the Ottoman Empire.
	You weren't tweeting about Constantinople again, were you?
	No.
	Definitely isn't the WEF puppet CEO purging accounts ahead of the Trump-Biden debate.
	And we have a donation from Sad Wings Raging.
	Thank you.
	AOC, remember lads, don't stick it in the cray-cray.
	It's all in the eyes, isn't it?
	One last thing I have to address because I made a mistake.
	Theodora Pinnock says, Carolyn Farrow is not a gender critical feminist.
	She's a devout Catholic.
	If that's true, I apologize.
	But I still think that the reason is that she's also anti-woke.
	So, just saying this.
	Should we go to the comments for the next one?
	I don't think you can really read them over there.
	Do you want me to read them for you?
	Yeah, if you could.
	Oh, it's not.
	That one's not on.
	That's great.
	So these lefties can do Hitler salutes, but a pug cannot.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Yeah.
	If you have a pug, it's not allowed to support Germans, you know, mid-century Germans.
	But if you are Welsh and a human being, you can.
	Yeah.
	Crazy, isn't it?
	So you could be a dog.
	Here we go.
	That's the dog of the infamous count.
	Yes.
	Cheers, Samson.
	Wales has always been a more authoritarian country than England, but it often goes unnoticed by the country at large.
	I lived in both England and Wales during the lockdowns, and Wales was far more restricted than England was.
	Both in policy and enforcement of the streets, Welsh Labour are a National Socialist Party, ultimately.
	And that they are.
	You know, but then you've got it worse than that as well, because you've got Plaid Cymru who are actual National Socialists.
	They're Welsh Nationalists, which is strange in itself, because if you're a Welsh Nationalist, you're left wing.
	If you're, you know, Scottish Nationalist, you're left wing.
	If you're an English Nationalist, well, you're far right.
	So it's strange.
	But, you know, Plaid Cymru are exactly that.
	Independent, rejoin EU, take us back.
	So that's absolutely spot on.
	Yep.
	Lance Llewellyn, is it any surprise that Labour, with its history of anti-Semitism, won't apologise for the Nazi salute?
	Here in Australia, they banned it, but not banned Muslims screaming, gas the Jews, in front of the Opera House.
	No matter what it says, the Scorpions shows its true colours always.
	And that's perfectly correct.
	Yeah.
	I like this.
	This next one's pretty funny.
	To the last Keir Starmer.
	Who was named after Keir Hardie, isn't he?
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	Anti-Semitism is rife in the Labour Party and always has been.
	Yeah.
	I do not approve of this next name.
	A naked Josh Lavard, head to toe in Big Mac sauce.
	That's creative, to be fair.
	Is it one subscriber who constantly changes the name?
	I think it might be, yeah.
	They said something about me and olive oil at some point.
	That's true, yeah.
	So what was the question?
	That was a rare bit of base news from Wales.
	Stand for First Minister.
	Thank you very much.
	I endorse that message.
	Sophie Liv, but you know, socialism isn't communism, some lefty on Twitter.
	As in, that's what they say on Twitter.
	Ah, right, OK, yeah.
	Well, we had a good friend of ours, Sean on our show, we interviewed him not so long ago, and he explained Marxists, you know, he said, some people just think, you know, Marxists are socialists with guns.
	Perfect.
	So, Base Tape says, Amazonian tribe decimated after half of them discover Reddit feminism and the other half take the red pill and now refuse to breathe.
	Yeah, I was going to say in the segment, have they now got their own tribes?
	Some are like, oh I'm pro Biden and the others, no Trump!
	It's just a funny image in my head that they've got.
	Built a wall.
	X, Y and Z. Damn you for making me pronounce it like an American, by the way.
	I know some people who've worked in Aboriginal communities, addiction to alcohol and other chemicals, i.e.
	petrol sniffing, are absolutely devastating.
	It's a complicated issue.
	Do we take a paternalistic stance and limit access to alcohol, which could protect their cultures from disappearing?
	Or do we just have them integrate into greater Australian society, where they could find a life that gives them more than drinking to do, which ultimately leads to their demise as a culture?
	I think you've kind of got to give them the option to live as an isolated group, you know, on their own terms, and if they want to join, you let them join as and when they leave, right?
	So the option's there to come and go as they please.
	I think that's the best way of doing it.
	Yeah, definitely.
	You can't say, right, what we're going to do now is integrate you here, or what we're going to do now is ban you from drinking alcohol.
	Ultimately, it's up to them to do what they want to do, you know, but the choice is available and crack on.
	You do what you want.
	Yeah, that's what I would say.
	So, Lord Nerevar, this is one of the reasons I don't like the idea of Lord Miles going to North Sentinel Island very much.
	I don't think he's going to give them the internet or anything, but some things should be left alone.
	I don't think he's actually going.
	I think the actual argument of they don't have the immunity to come into contact with a Westerner, particularly someone as well-travelled as Miles, That would decimate them if they even go within proximity of him.
	So I know he's mental, but I don't think he actually wants to kill people.
	So I think he did that video as a joke.
	So the Josh name, Big Mac Sauce.
	So we know that they have access to porn, but there's the key question, do they have microplastics in their balls?
	That's another one of my segments, actually.
	I don't doubt it.
	They probably do.
	Ruthiday says, knowing of and having spoken with a few different Amazonian indigenous, wow, it takes them a lot of effort to preserve their culture not to have children be on media and keep to their safe dietary habits.
	They have their own PR reps who are most often chiefs family, they have their musicians who travel and engage in social media for promotion of their culture and soliciting monetary support in cases of floods, but everyone else just lives normal.
	Well, at least the majority of people are living normally, but I think it's very much up to them how they want to live.
	I think actually most people do want to preserve their culture and way of life.
	It seems to be a sort of universal.
	It's only in the Western world that, you know, it gets undermined.
	But I think that given the choice they will always preserve elements of their culture but it's up to them to pick and choose.
	I think things come in and out of cultural practice even if they weren't exposed to the outside world but of course we still have somewhat of an obligation in a moral sense not to destroy their culture as you know the modern world.
	I love this one!
	Well, the next one.
	A tribal boy getting addicted to porn only makes headline news as negative if the porn is straight, otherwise the Rainbow Reich are quite happy with any level of degeneracy.
	Probably an LGBT tribe.
	Elon Musk would be a hero then, wouldn't he?
	I'm gonna borrow the Rainbow Reich.
	I think that's quite correct.
	He's always got a good turn of phrase, Omar does.
	A naked Josh Lavett head to toe in Big Mac sauce.
	I've said it again, you know, it's your lucky day.
	Breaking news, Elon Musk targets Jeff Bezos by getting his Amazon employees addicted to porn.
	Well I think we might have a few more comments on the site but that's all of the ones we've actually got there.
	For once we've finished somewhat on time.
	My goodness what a treat.
	Normally we run on long and don't get to read many comments but there will be some.
	Chat better be on for the election live stream.
	What do you know about that Samson?
	You're the man in the know.
	Is live stream chat on?
	It should be.
	And we'll be reading live comments, so there you go.
	And there will be gold tier video comments as well.
	Oh, of course.
	Good shilling there, Samson.
	So yeah, subscribe with the code ZEROSEATS, all capitals, no space, to get... how much was it, off?
	50. 50.
	Blimey, for three months, that's a bargain.
	Alright, well, make the most of it while it lasts before Carl realises how much is off.
	Angus Somerville says, the Amazonian tribe has a lawyer.
	Shades of the old unfrozen caveman lawyer skit.
	Your world frightens and confuses me.
	Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic makes me want to get out of my BMW and run off into the hills.
	I don't get the reference but it amused me all the same.
	Yeah.
	And I think we're actually out of time now but thank you very much for watching.
	Don't forget to watch Calvin's show in half an hour's time and thank you to the Voice of Wales for joining us today.
	Thanks for having us again.
	Thank you for allowing us to give you tales of woe from the Wales.
	That's okay.

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