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	Music Oh, hello, and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters.
	And today I'm joined by Carl and special guest Andy Doe.
	Thank you for having me.
	And today we're going to be talking about Ana Kasparian declaring war on the left, the Antifa gang trial, and why is it flooding in Dubai?
	So that'll be the subject matter.
	I have an announcement to make.
	Go ahead.
	We have Lads Hour tomorrow.
	So this is announcing if you want to join Lads Hour.
	This is, for those who don't know, Shit Talking Live, which this one will be on understanding the UK, where we just say around that it's very laddish.
	That's the idea.
	So that'll be that.
	Yeah, it's tomorrow at 3pm UK time.
	So that's the announcements done.
	There is one more thing I have to say apparently.
	There's a thing here that says we're looking for a production manager with video and audio editing skills to be available to work in the Dulwich area of London.
	If you're interested in the job, apply at lotuscedars.com slash careers.
	So there you are.
	There's that.
	Go and take a look at it.
	If it's for you, apply.
	If not, don't.
	Right.
	That's that, I suppose.
	I suppose that's all the announcement stuff done.
	Should we do a bit of an introduction for yourself?
	Sure.
	For anyone who's new.
	Well, my name's Andy Ngo.
	I am an American journalist, most known for my reporting on Antifa.
	I've had to leave the US because my reporting may be a target of their violence, particularly in Portland, Oregon, where I'm from and where I was living, reporting during 2020 when there were months and months of nightly riots that turned deadly.
	Now I report on things including exposing sex criminals and those who are accused of child sex crimes.
	I focus on the criminality of trans suspects and other people that other categories of suspects that have been placed on a certain pedestal by our societies.
	I imagine there's not a small amount of crossover there as well, got to be honest.
	Actually, well, I know you're being sarcastic because a lot of people notice that there is a lot of crossover, surprisingly or not, between those who are involved in far-left extremism and sex criminology and pedophilia.
	Oh yeah.
	Carl Rittenhouse found out.
	Right through a crowd of Antifar, you end up picking a Peter.
	Anyway, we will get into that later, but we shall begin with the first topic, I suppose.
	So, you guys know who Anik Asparin is, right?
	You've been aware of her for some time.
	Adult human female?
	She is indeed an adult human female, that's correct.
	And she works for the Young Turks, which has long been known as a very far left media outlet.
	In the same way that we're not a far left media outlet.
	And she's come a long way in the past few years.
	Because, and what I love about this, is that reality really caught up with Anna because she lives in California.
	California is not doing so great.
	And so you can go back to 2017, just after the victory of Trump, where she was quite a different person.
	Let's just watch this.
	Look, I've come to the realization that the people who get that rise out of, you know, attacking others, you know, putting other people down, those are miserable people, right?
	They're not happy people.
	And so this is how they get joy in their life.
	And I feel like if you see memes like that, or if you see people getting attacked, or if you will sit back and have no emotion when you see unarmed individuals getting shot and killed, well then, I mean, look, you're a sociopath, right?
	And so I feel bad for you, more than anything, right?
	And so if you want to attack me for being overly emotional or for passionately, you know, defending those who are defenseless, then go ahead, you can attack me all you want.
	But am I saying that I'm better than you?
	I guess I'm going a little further than you are.
	Yeah, I'm fucking better than you, okay?
	Much better than you.
	You are garbage, okay?
	If you get A classic of a person who was clearly not very happy in the position that she was in.
	And I'm really sympathetic to Anna because she's going on the same sort of journey that I've been on, where you begin, you think you're left-wing or something, and you think, yeah, I mean, you know, I just want good things for people.
	And then you realize that actually this takes on a life of its own.
	And so Anna Kasparov was kind of forced to take the red pill, as we describe it on this era of the internet, and she ended up becoming a TERF.
	Well that clip we just saw I think is an embodiment of narcissistic compassion.
	And I think on the one hand I can understand the perspective of part of what she was saying.
	You see what appears to be injustices in the society around you, and you want to use your platform to speak out on that.
	And then you see the narcissism creep in, but she's quite plain in her statement there, that I am better than you.
	And then in my reporting over the far-left violent extremists, what I've seen is that same rationale taken to its logical conclusion is because I'm better than you, I am justified in use of violence against you because of your views or your political activism, including to the point where I can maim and or kill you.
	So that view that she expressed at this point in the past actually leads somewhere very, very dangerous.
	Yeah, and it's very obvious that this is a characteristic of the left.
	Everyone has seen this.
	I don't know, there must be a proper psychological term for it.
	But like you say, it's just a really virulent strain of narcissism that is underpinning the moral high ground that they think that they occupy.
	But as things carried on, and as we covered previously, Uh, the, the people that the left would usually characterize as being completely powerless, uh, actually do have some power, especially if they're right in front of you and they're sexually assaulting you in your front garden or something like that, which I believe is what happened to her.
	And then that sets her on the path of saying, well, hang on a second.
	Um, is a woman actually someone with ovaries and there is some sort of biological component to it.
	And she's arrived at a point now where, well, she's just fully against.
	Almost everything that the left is saying.
	I mean, in this particular, we won't watch this one, but, uh, she is commenting on this piece by a former NPR editor.
	I think he's former, um, about how NPR is too liberal and anti-Trump.
	And she's like, yeah, actually, I think maybe people on the left have kind of lost their minds over Trump.
	And actually maybe we could talk about things.
	And of course in, I mean, Andy, what, what, uh, I mean, when was the last time you went to the U S?
	What are petrol prices like over there at the moment?
	Last year they're high and I think When I'm in the US now, I don't, uh, I'm there for work.
	So, uh, on trips, so I'm not, uh, driving as I used to.
	So I don't necessarily feel that seems to have impact, but the cost of living impact that I see is just in buying groceries or going out to eat.
	It's quite shocking because I, I go in like six month intervals.
	So in the last four years I can see, wow, it's, it's shocking.
	I mean, some of my favorite things are just watching TV shows from like Just five years ago and when they're, you know, they pan past the gas station and you can see two dollars or something.
	And then you see a photo of California now, and it's like $7.
	It's like, wow.
	Okay.
	That's been a really eventful turn for Joe Biden.
	And so she's, she's really feeling the pinch and like, uh, many other sort of liberals, uh, in that sphere, they're like, okay, well, look, Trump is of course, mega Hitler and I hate everything about him, but I am paying an awful lot for the things that are happening.
	Uh, and so she actually, uh, wants to hear right wing opinions.
	I mean, like this one where she just says, we'll listen to it.
	That might force you to reconsider the way you're reporting a story.
	Maybe there's a fact that you're unaware of, and you might be unaware of it because we all live in filter bubbles, depending on what our political ideology is.
	And so, again, it's one thing to support the idea of diversity based on skin color.
	And I do think that it is important to have diversity in the workplace.
	But it's not just about skin color, it's also about Viewpoints.
	It's also about lived experiences.
	It's also about ideology.
	You want diversity of ideology represented as well.
	I do think it's important to have- Isn't that just remarkable?
	Just how far she's come since 2017, where she's on her moral podium screaming down, I'm better than you, Callum.
	And now she's like, actually, Callum, I'd like to hear your opinion.
	It's a big change.
	I'm very proud of her.
	Yeah, but it had to happen to her before she cared.
	Yes, but I think, conversely, most people only care about things when they're Okay, but that doesn't deserve a round of applause from me.
	Fair enough.
	I think she deserves praise.
	She's incredibly brave.
	Up until recently, she's staked her public persona and her career as a commentator of a woman of the mainstream left, or liberal left.
	And now she's taken on dissident views that may land her in hot water career-wise or among the audience that she's worked hard to curate.
	That's brave.
	I'm sure you and I can think of a lot of people who, because of their positions as public people and where they are in their work, that they don't say publicly what they actually think even as their views evolve.
	They keep their head down.
	Who was the chap from CNN who was caught saying that the Trump trials were a nothing burger a few years ago?
	Don Lemon?
	No, it wasn't Don Lemon.
	It was a different chap.
	But it was someone like Don Lemon, where you can tell that that's an exact case of what you're talking about.
	Yeah, it was a contributor.
	I forget his name.
	It was like a street moment.
	Somebody happened to have a camera.
	So, Van Jones.
	It was Van Jones.
	You know, I've had now many, many years working in the public space across passive slots.
	media people and i my view a lot of them are actually really cowardly if they are placed in a position where um their work might be at risk because of views they have that are unpopular that they'll shut up and remain quiet even if their whole brand is about truth telling and all that but yeah and i i actually really agree with you on this because this can't be comfortable for because it's evident that the young turks is a very ideologically left-wing uh place
	and so everything and everyone around her is going to be infused with this kind of ideology and She lives in California, which itself is a very left-wing place, and so she could actually find herself becoming quite unpopular with the people around her by saying, well look, Um, actually maybe we shouldn't be stigmatizing all conservatives.
	Not all conservatives are QAnon.
	And what's great about this is in this particular clip, she, she literally, in fact, let's again, she's critiquing Mehdi Hassan, which is someone, you know, that I've critiqued many times, but she makes just a superb point here.
	Start with Mehdi Hassan who says, this essay has it backwards.
	You can't blame NPR for conservatives not listening.
	You have to ask why conservatives have gone down conspiracy holes, climate change, 2020 election, vaccines, and how on earth mainstream media is supposed to cater to them now.
	But I think in that statement, Mehdi Hassan makes a mistake that I myself was making for a long time, where I was just lumping in all conservatives as one thing.
	They're all QAnon believers.
	They're all this, they're all that, but there are gradations.
	There are factions within the Republican Party and among conservatives.
	Right now, there's actually a growing divide among traditional conservatives who tend to side with the neocon Faction of the Republican Party.
	And then you have the MAGA crowd, the America First crowd that's much more isolationist.
	So good for her, but notice the post left watch Twitter account.
	Every conservative believes at least a few of those hateful slash crazy beliefs.
	So Anna's problem is that she is accurately characterizing the right and large segments of the left are turning on her for this.
	And so that's just her saying, Hey guys, maybe the conservatives aren't all Nazis and actually maybe we should listen to them.
	So when she gets into things that are a bit more, um, uh, um, ethnic, should we say, uh, like this one, eight people were killed and 41 injured in shootings over the weekend in Chicago.
	It's not even a blip on anyone's radar.
	Um, she's making a point that a lot of them don't want to hear.
	And actually this puts her in a particular.
	zone that is well outside of the comfort zone of the average left winger and so yeah I think this is fairly brave for her to actually start coming out and saying because she can get in trouble for this especially when she goes on like a mad rant about DEI which of course is one of those sort of sacred cows of the left of course we need to have diversity equity and inclusion
	I think that a lot of people, including myself to be honest, are starting to get the sense that, wait, is DEI actually to help minorities across the country?
	Because I'm in favor of that.
	Or is it to help elite African Americans and minorities get the jobs they want, right?
	Like many other progressive school districts, Amherst uses restorative justice practices, which prioritize mediation and reconciliation over punishment, meaning nothing, meaning no action, okay?
	Don't feed me this BS about like, we did mediation.
	Okay, you could take your mediation and shove it up your ass.
	Stop wasting taxpayer money and playing with these kids' lives by engaging in your cutesy little culture war games.
	Go do that in your own time, go do it in your own home, I don't care.
	So just be a freaking human being, treat the freaking students with respect, and can we please just hire the most qualified people to do the job?
	Because kids can't even freaking read!
	Literally me in 2015.
	Yeah, but that's the thing that stings me.
	Sitting there being like, damn, the kids can't read.
	Well, a few years ago, people were saying kids won't be able to read in a few years if you go down this path.
	And they did anyway.
	It's just like, you know, If you decided to shit yourself and then complain there's feces in your pants.
	I find it kind of annoying from these people because I've watched their content for a while.
	We've all listened to them rabid on about how these things would be great.
	And then they're living with the consequences of it.
	But think of her, though.
	She's had to break herself out of the left-wing filter bubble.
	In which it's not just that she consumes the media.
	She's surrounded by all of those people.
	It's her job to reinforce the left-wing filter bubble.
	And so for her, it is much more difficult to come out of that.
	I'm actually a lot more sympathetic on this.
	You've just got such a cold face, Callum.
	I'm a cold person regardless.
	Well, Callum, you see, in places like Portland, where the political agenda of the radical left has been mostly realized, Defunding police, hatred of police, pro-open drug abuse, pro-homeless encampments in public areas.
	That has been tolerated and it's impacted the lives of the liberals and left-wing people who don't like it.
	But for a lot of them, they will never voice out against the actual policies.
	They'll somehow work within their mind.
	It didn't work out because it's not being implemented in this way or that way.
	It can be better manifested through a doubling down.
	And so I think to see someone like her be public about breaking... She's criticizing DEI now.
	She's not saying The way we've been doing it on DL is wrong.
	We need to try harder and do it this different way, whatever.
	She's criticizing actually some of the tenants and claims of it.
	I mean, this puts her job at risk.
	Yeah, and you know, we need to give props to the Young Turks because we've seen how many times, like with NPR, when that reporter wrote the piece that was critical of the biased political culture in that newsroom, the CEO, Catherine Marhur, came out and denounced
	As far as I know, The Young Turks has not released any statements distancing themselves from one of their presenters, nor demeaning any of her views that maybe they disagree with.
	I'm thinking in your circumstance, like the way I'm seeing this is, what was his name, Ted Wheeler?
	Yes.
	From there.
	Him getting his, I believe it was his apartment, they tried to firebomb, is that correct?
	I think they did, they built, it was set on fire in 2020.
	Yeah.
	Him, I can't remember what he did in response, I think he basically forgave them or some blimp response.
	But if he came out and said, actually we need to clamp down on Antiforest, it's like, I don't have much sympathy though.
	You encouraged this.
	You led the entire culture of your town into the ground.
	You ruined everyone else's life, but it's only when your own life was slightly ruined you were like, oh man.
	One thing to remember is that, remember this, the white liberals use this as a form of moral self-aggrandizement.
	And so consider Anna from 2017 being like, no, I am better than you because I'm the liberal.
	To then get to the point where it's like, no, actually all of this DEI stuff is nonsense.
	And actually we're the problem.
	That's just a complete 180.
	Why did it happen?
	Because of the culture that they're in.
	Yeah, literally your own life got affected by it.
	The lies they would tell each other about themselves, about conservatives and about minority groups, basically.
	But again, it's a single human being, like on the human level, it's the things happened in her life that showed her that it was complete nonsense.
	Yeah.
	But it was the effects of what you were doing to society.
	I know.
	So I know, but I'm just more charitable.
	I mean, you are.
	I am.
	And this particular one I liked as well, because people who murder people and then chop up the corpses apparently won't need bail.
	I don't know, whatever.
	But Anna's just going bonkers about it.
	She's just understandably, I think, upset.
	Let's just tune in.
	A corpse, not bail eligible, not a serious crime.
	I'm not even kidding, guys.
	I looked it up.
	It's real, guys.
	It's real.
	Listen, if being on the left means supporting this, then I'm not on the left and I'm okay with that.
	Okay, so did further research because I just couldn't believe it.
	Here's more.
	With 2019 state reforms, mutilation and disposal of murdered corpses are among crimes that are no longer bail eligible.
	What are we doing?
	What are we doing?
	What are we doing, Cenk?
	What are we doing?
	What are we doing?
	Someone tell me, what the F are we doing?
	Come at me right now and tell me I'm the bad guy, because I want these people who dismembered corpses and tried to conceal the evidence in prison.
	Come at me and tell me I'm the bad guy.
	Come at me.
	That is not left-wing or progressive.
	And then Cenk's just like, yeah, that's not left-wing or progressive.
	He's like, no, no, Cenk, that's exactly left-wing and progressive.
	Um, but we have to stand in solidarity with BLI-LM.
	Do you remember George Floyd guys?
	Yeah.
	And the, the, the, the people who are going to be targeted in this particular thing are probably going to be overwhelmingly minorities.
	So it's just, it's not even that it's the, the, the argument made during that time period of mass rioting and the excuses made for it.
	For all the massive criminal justice reform and what's the reform?
	Uh, legalized crime by the back door.
	Yeah.
	Oh man, it seems crime has been legalized.
	Oh yeah.
	But Anna is one of the few people who is a recognized mainstream left-wing commentator who's just like, hang on, this is crazy and we shouldn't do this.
	She might end up dead.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But she's one of the few that's actually proposed to go home.
	This is just a bad idea.
	So I'm totally like in applause for what she's doing.
	I think it's great.
	I know you're very cynical about it.
	And then finally, Ana has come to the correct opinion, the problem with the white liberals.
	Okay, white liberals have trouble because for the most part, they tend to be pretty privileged, okay?
	Pretty well to do, okay?
	And are hyper focused on the culture war stuff, which is typically driven by their unending guilt.
	So just be a freaking human being, treat the freaking students with respect, okay?
	And can we please just hire the most But that's the point, the white liberals, she's literally got all of it right at this point.
	No, no, no.
	Criminals should be punished.
	The white liberals are the problem.
	They feel excessively guilty and they think this gives them more high ground and it's ruining everything around.
	I'm a big booster for Ms. Kasparian.
	I think maybe it maybe has to be my American background.
	You know, in the U.S.
	we don't actually have that many public dissident figures on the center-left or left.
	The Left and Right Wing and Party Association is I would say much more hardline than here.
	In the UK, you have people who switch from Labour to Conservative and how they vote and vice versa.
	And you also have a big tradition of the old left really Not being on board with a lot of this woke stuff nonsense you have going on.
	In the U.S.
	there's much more conformity among the left than I would say also along the right.
	There's certain issues you can't be dissident on certain things or you'll be kind of kicked out from your tribe.
	She's being very brave here.
	She is.
	We don't even, we don't have many like her in America.
	I have heard that California is basically a Stalinist state, but then I wonder, like I'm thinking of the Bolsheviks who helped the revolution and they're like, damn, I'm hungry.
	And it's just like, yeah, yes you are.
	Yes.
	But, um, but just to summarize, so Anna has accepted that it is the left led by the white liberals that is the problem, making sure that minorities don't get punished for the crimes.
	Uh, what does that make Anna?
	That of course makes Anna a racist.
	It was inevitable.
	Is she even white?
	No, well, she's Armenian.
	Are they white?
	Not really.
	Okay.
	I mean, they're not European.
	Are they not?
	No, they're from the Middle East.
	Armenians.
	Yeah, but the Middle East used to be part of Europe.
	It didn't.
	Good old days.
	Back in the Roman Empire.
	Greek territory, I tell you.
	Anyway, we'll leave that there.
	I just want to say that I'm actually very impressed with Anna.
	Because, like I said, I was never in that bubble, right?
	So it was very easy for me to go, oh wait, no, this is all nonsense.
	I could do that years ago.
	For her, that must be so much more difficult.
	Also, I think her ideological transformation is genuine because we see it take place sort of piecemeal over the years.
	Everyone should take a second look at people who say overnight I became something completely opposite.
	There are figures like that.
	It's not a sudden soul of Tarsus conversion she's had.
	Reality has been chipping away at her.
	That's totally true.
	Alrighty, with that we shall move on and we'll go to the next section which is about the Antifa gang trial.
	Right, so there is a gang trial going on for some members of Antifa and the idea is that they're going to classify Antifa as a gang, so there's a harsher sentence.
	I thought we'd go through it, not only because Andy's here and he's the resident expert on all things left-wing extremist, but also it's a really interesting place to go because you've been covering this for ages.
	I mean, longer than you can probably remember at this point.
	that's the extremism in the US on this brand.
	But then the response to it, what you do about it, has been the big question amongst American politics, I understand.
	Okay, so there's a trial happening right now in San Diego County against two alleged SoCal anti-fund members.
	This is really the Antifa trial of the decade.
	I've been covering this story as it's worked its way through the criminal justice system for three and a half years with my colleague Ava Knott.
	We have a big story coming out on the trial later today on the Postmillennial.
	But to sum up, in January 2021, and this picture was taken on that day, there was a violent attack on Pacific Beach in San Diego, which is a suburban, moderate, center-right community.
	I can see from the building in the background.
	Where Antifa came and attacked people who were peacefully holding a pro-Trump MAGA-type rally.
	There are videos and photos of the attacks.
	The Antifa people came in black block.
	They had weapons.
	They beat people with skateboards, with sticks.
	Of course, they amazed many people.
	Among those injured included a woman, included a man who was walking his dog.
	The dog got sprayed with the chemical.
	There was a group of high school boys who were beaten and attacked.
	So this trial is still ongoing right now.
	It's in its third week.
	Throughout the prosecution, back in 2022, there was a secret grand jury that indicted 11 members of SoCal Antifa.
	And prosecutors in San Diego, from the DA's office there, they allege that these people engage in felony violent conspiracy.
	And the case is a big deal because it was the first time that a group of Antifa members had been charged with conspiracy anywhere in the U.S.
	It hasn't happened since then.
	And in in Georgia State, there have been 61 far left extremists who have been charged in a RICO case, which is sort of similar organized conspiracy for criminality.
	But in San Diego with this case, I mean, what it could what it means is that The significance of it is that there has been a string of successful convictions in this case.
	So there were 11 who were indicted.
	Nine of them took plea deals.
	And they will be sentenced soon.
	And it's expected that they'll do prison time.
	This is San Diego.
	This DA's office is not playing around.
	So it's a straw.
	My reporting with Ava Nault is going to come out today.
	She's been sitting in the courtroom.
	The evidence that they presented, oh, they found out what was the signal group that these Antifa people used to coordinate that day.
	They unmasked the identities of all these aliases, who they were, identified them picture by picture.
	Oh, you are wearing this.
	They brought out the costumes of the armor and the uniforms that these people were wearing.
	And also their private messages.
	Exactly.
	The messages that were sent between one another showing the level of coordination that this is not a gathering that spontaneously became a brawl.
	It's people who came with the intention to carry out a violent conspiracy.
	One of them, the alleged ringleader, Brian Lightfoot, is accused of 16 felonies.
	So he's potentially facing A lot of years in prison.
	So this is the liberal in left-wing reporting on this has focused on attacking the DA's office and trying to delegitimize the case.
	Of course, liberal media is not covering this.
	If this was a case of a far-right neo-Nazi conspiracy that carried out a violent attack, you bet this would be Leading the news every day.
	It's taken years to get to trial.
	So I'm covering this day in and day out.
	I've been working on it for years.
	Read my report later today.
	Well, we'll go through some of it here and jump in when you want to because it is fascinating.
	Because as you can see, let's get this back on screen.
	You mentioned the media.
	I mean, I love this.
	The headline, a pro-Trump and anti-fascist demonstrators clash.
	Yeah.
	Wearing armor.
	San Diego Beach.
	They're just clashing.
	And then the image here is these people in Black Box beating the crap out of this woman who's got no weapons, is clearly not dressed for combat.
	It's just these guys with their...
	Wearing armor.
	Literally wearing armor.
	It's comical how bad that is, as just a single demonstration of that.
	But to the trial, as you mentioned, it's mad.
	And as you can see, this has ended on post-mortem.
	And the guy mentioned is Brian Cortez Lightfoot.
	He's been charged with 16 violent felonies.
	And they say you can see in the video with him with white cans of bear spray mounted on his vest, so presumably this is the mace he had.
	And then if you scroll down you can see some of the photos of the attacks, and it's just ridiculous.
	You can see them standing there.
	These are all the people, or a bunch of them, who have been tried.
	Stop there for a minute.
	I put together this graphic.
	The top two on the left are the ones on trial.
	Everyone else in that photograph has been convicted so far.
	Two of them have already been sentenced to five years each because they had, their sentencing was also enhanced because they committed violent crimes at the riot whilst having other pending felony crimes for unrelated cases.
	So, yes, this is, I've never seen a DA's office Actually do their proper work and it's not just about normally what happens like for example once in a while Portland might prosecute one of these Antifa people who actually set a building on fire that was occupied.
	There's been a couple of those convictions in Portland.
	They only focus on the the act of the violence for let's say assault or arson or not even vandalism.
	They don't care about that anymore.
	Assault or arson, let's say.
	They never focus on actually... The gang aspect.
	The gang aspect.
	The conspiratorial aspect of these people working with one another to carry out acts of violence.
	Because I've always seen the response to this has been on the lines of declaring Antifa a terrorist group, which is accurate.
	They have political goals.
	They're not there for money.
	So it seems weird to say gang versus terrorist group.
	They're close to a terrorist group is descriptive.
	But if you want to treat them as a gang, I think that's also fair because they act like it.
	So as you can see here, these are the chaps, and then here's the violence.
	And you can see even in the images, this guy bear spraying, I think it's the same woman from earlier, I think I've eaten the crap out of.
	These fellas are not here for a fight, they're here for a Trump rally.
	These fellas in the combat tactical gear didn't come for fun.
	I mean, you even have some of the messages back up there where they're texting each other, I want to fight, it's gonna go down.
	I mean, this guy brought a huge-ass stick to batter people with, and his What, some protective helmets so he wouldn't get battered?
	Yeah.
	Average guy.
	And then here's the Trump guys who got hit there.
	That was actually a photojournalist who was there just to document who was beaten.
	So the SoCal Antifa members who came from outside San Diego, by the way, about half of them were from LA County.
	That's several hours away.
	They were so overzealous in the violence that, as I mentioned earlier, they attacked a dog and the dog's walker.
	They attacked this photojournalist, beat him with the stick on the back.
	And they went after teens, youths as well, children, schoolchildren who were there.
	So anybody who was in that proximity, on that beach, were terribly beaten and sprayed with chemical irritants.
	It's an absolutely horrific event.
	Gang violence based on pure politics.
	The kind of which, which I mean, people have known about.
	I presume it's been happening in Portland, but then it's spreading elsewhere.
	That's awful.
	Terrible for American society.
	Actual some pushback is not only interesting, but sort of the right direction.
	But what I find most interesting about all this is the defense side.
	Because of course, as mentioned, there's only two guys on trial still.
	The rest of them are all been found guilty by plea deals.
	And as you mentioned here, there's, uh, well, the two fellas.
	The last fellow, apart from that black guy called Lightfoot, you've got this white guy, and this white guy is called Mr. White.
	Jeremy White.
	You say here, at the beginning of the trial, defendant White suddenly pleaded he's not guilty by reason of insanity, which is really funny.
	Persuasive.
	I'll hear him out now, I'm joking.
	Yeah, well, this is the thing, I want to check out just a whole bunch of writing about the case.
	I'm retarded, prove it.
	I'm a member of Antifa.
	What was his argument?
	Well, it just gets funnier and funnier because I went to this.
	This is some San Diego reporting on it, right?
	And I'm thinking mainstream media is going to be the way it usually is.
	But let's check this out because this is just weird.
	It happened January 9th, 2021 in Pacific Beach.
	Counter protesters crashed a rally organized by supporters of then-President Donald Trump.
	Authorities say the group, believed to be associated with Antifa, instigated violence attacking at least 16 victims using impact weapons and mace.
	We will stipulate to the term that we agreed upon.
	Today in court, one of the 11 people arrested was sentenced to four years, eight months in prison after accepting a deal, agreeing to plead guilty to conspiracy assault and a lawful use of a tear gas weapon.
	39-year-old Eric Yak is a transgender woman who goes by the name Nikki Hubbard.
	Her husband, a transgender man named Gigi Hubbard, addressed the court defending her actions.
	She defends people.
	She's not violent.
	And this is Just political and fascist nonsense.
	So are they just straight with extra stamps?
	I don't even want to talk about that aspect, but the point being, very, very strange people, because also her argument there, the transgender, white, whatever, was that it was political persecution, because he may have maced people and conspired to engage in riot and everything else, but that's political freedom.
	I love the functory characterization of, oh, and it's fascist.
	Yeah, because that's one of the people who's accepted the plea deal, right?
	Now, getting back to Mr. White, because I found this, and this is the image here of the dog getting maced, which it just stands for itself.
	No, I didn't like Antifa before, but now I really hate them.
	Yeah, I mean, macing a dog in any circumstance.
	What the hell's wrong with you?
	Bear mace.
	Not even human mace.
	Yeah.
	But I've got to read you the writing out of this, because it's...
	It makes me think his plea deal of being insane might not be entirely wrong to some extent.
	I still think he shouldn't get it.
	They say here, prosecutors claim it was Jeremy Jonathan White who described himself as a gentleman in dashing armor and an Antifa super soldier who fought the cops and white supremacists during the lockdown.
	That's how he described himself whilst macing this dog.
	I think he's just really online.
	The following day, after the Macing of the Dog video went viral, White then decided to post using his own Twitter account, pretending not to be himself.
	According to the prosecutors, he wrote, The owner of the dog was abusing his dog by getting it to attack people.
	Looks like that gentleman in the dashing armor was just keeping people safe.
	Forgot to log into the alt account.
	Yeah, this is his anonymous account.
	He's writing, after he's been filmed macing a dog, that he's the guy in dashing armour and the dog owner is at fault.
	That's himself.
	So some of the evidence that's been entered into trial is that the suspects boasted amongst themselves and sometimes publicly about their involvement in the violent attack.
	Regarding Jeremy White, it's a very interesting tactic to attempt to plead not guilty by insanity.
	I've actually never seen an alleged Antifa member make that claim.
	It's risky in that if he's found guilty at this trial, there's going to be another trial to determine his sanity.
	And if he is found to be insane, He could be held against his will, institutionalized for the rest of his life.
	Also doesn't exactly make Antifa look very good publicly, does it?
	Antifa, yes, it's full of mental people.
	I'll read off the last of what he wrote on Twitter, this guy.
	Again, under his old account, he wrote, So this is him saying that, again, the dog owner is to blame for him and his dog being maced, and the dashing guy in armour was just defending society.
	San Diego Police Detective Emily Clark testified that the dog walker had very good control over the animal, and had a really close leash.
	The detective said that the dog's vest read, Service Dog.
	He maced a service dog... Wait, was the woman blind or something?
	I'm not sure, but either way, I mean, I don't know for what purpose it was a service dog.
	He maced a service dog, saw a video of him doing this online, and then referred to himself as a knight in dashing armour, and the dog is evil, and the owner is evil.
	When White was arrested...
	So he's arrested by the cops.
	The day he's arrested, he responds by saying, "I was a medic.
	I didn't do what they said I did.
	There was literal fucking Nazi rallies on Pacific Beach, and I went there to counter it and they needed medics.
	Yeah, everyone I talked to said, "Yeah, you were putting saline in people's eyes and helping people when they got pepper sprayed." He was macing dogs.
	Yeah.
	I have to talk about this medic phenomenon within these far-left demonstrations.
	So this tactic has been really popularized by the far-left, particularly in the Trump years when there were lots of Antifa gatherings attacking Trump rallies and Trump supporters in Portland and elsewhere.
	So the far-left realized that they could be Better organized if they delegated out different sort of brigades within their riots.
	So you have those who come more armored, more wearing helmets, and these are people who will be the fighters.
	You have, of course, their so-called legal observers who are there to record police, record other people, and provide evidence, for example, if they're going to do any civil claims of police brutality, etc.
	And you have those who claim to be so-called medics.
	These are usually people who are not medically trained at all.
	These are people who are cosplaying.
	They're literally
	have a homemade badge of something that says medic on their outfit and they come with things like like a child like bandages and other things in case one of their comrades gets injured in the course of battle they are supposed to be there to provide first aid but as we see in this particular example in many many other times I've witnessed this myself the so-called medics will engage in rioting themselves so they will also throw projectile weapons or they'll engage in brawling
	in fighting and other criminality as well.
	Can we get this image back on screen, John?
	Because I can't get over the imagery of him macing a service dog while screaming, I'm a medic.
	I can't get over the fact that he's not obeying his Hippocratic oath.
	Let's do no harm.
	But that's the insane thing that you're hitting at there.
	Because, I mean, this is sort of comical online, but they're also incredibly violent people.
	But they're also mental, which makes them kind of funny.
	Like, I keep going like 360 on this.
	But then you actually get to the situation, and it's interesting.
	I would say that most of the Antifa are not, they're not insane what they are as sociopathic.
	You can see in their propaganda and the messaging when they're sort of anonymized that they really rebel in...
	Not just violence, but particularly in cruelty against other people.
	Their propaganda is about celebrating when one of their opponents or a police officer shot dead and posting those images or drawings of people being beheaded, like IS style.
	This is all in their propaganda.
	And you can see in the messaging, when somebody who is committing, who's injuring a service dog and his walker on a beach in San Diego, then what he says is he's celebrating his actions as something heroic.
	And just looking at the things that defendant Jeremy White has written over his long so-called activism career, I don't see signs of somebody who's been insane.
	It's somebody who has a very clear ideological agenda.
	He's been arrested at other riots in LA before for BLM.
	This is somebody who's had a lifetime of far-left extremism and is now shocked that there's a county willing to prosecute him.
	Well, like you were saying earlier, this is the logical extension of the path that Anna Kasparov was on.
	It's like, no, I'm better than you.
	You're garbage.
	This is just several steps further down that road.
	It's about moral self-aggrandizement.
	That is used as a justification to inflict cruelty on someone who is systematically degraded in their view.
	Not even someone, a dog.
	Well, I mean, even to a dog, yeah.
	The fascist trash can has to be beaten up.
	You remember that one.
	But to get to the interesting point, the reason I mentioned that it's interesting that you go 360 on these lunatics.
	is that it gets to how to deal with them, because this is an article from USA Today whining about it, where the person they're interviewing is worried that this will be a blueprint, this particular case, to go after the rest of the antifost cells across the country, because you'll be able to get them on gang charges which doubles the sentence, which is interesting.
	So I'll just end this off and let you take it away Andy, I suppose, with just some recent examples of other stuff, because it definitely seems to be the case, at least I'm fully on board, I always have been, that Yeah, no, this smokescreen of I'm just individuals forming a collective is bollocks.
	Like, you guys are working with each other like gang or something like this across the country.
	You have a uniform.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, we'll just go through some.
	And they went there with their banner.
	You can see in those photos and videos, they repeatedly held up all these Antifa symbols.
	And the aliases that they chose within their secret encrypted chats also referenced Antifa as well.
	And they're just like the weirdest peoples.
	This one, PhD biochemist, launched the anti-far Jane's Revenge domestic terrorist movement, has been sentenced to 7.5 years in prison for firebombing terror attack of a pro-life organization.
	What a great slogan.
	If abortions aren't safe, then you aren't either.
	Abortions are fatal.
	Yeah, that's the point of it, isn't it?
	So to recap just a little, catching people up, in 2022, when there was the leaking of the internal memo within the Supreme Court that they were considering potentially overturning Roe v. Wade, that when there was the leaking of the internal memo within the Supreme Court that they were considering potentially overturning Roe v. Wade, that launched then months and months of violent attacks So,
	So a pregnancy resource center, if you're not familiar, is a It's usually run by a religious organization, although not necessarily where they provide diapers and counseling and support for women who are pregnant.
	And these resource centers do not provide abortion services.
	And because of that, they became targets of violence.
	This was a pro-life organization.
	And then our diapers are all going to kill you.
	No, but we don't provide that service.
	Well, then you're a problem, aren't you?
	But that's just not what we do.
	Yeah, well, you're going to have to.
	The chicken shops have to provide abortion?
	Yeah.
	They have to be bombed.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what to do with these people.
	Well, with the violence or lust, they have a lust for violence.
	And it's going to come out on a target no matter who that target will change.
	It was convenient during the Trump administration that it was Trump supporters with Trump out of office.
	And there weren't really that many MAGA rallies anymore.
	OK, who do we target?
	Oh, we target churches and pregnancy centers.
	Now what Antifa have done is, oh, we'll target the people who are Zionists, those who are pro-Israel.
	We've seen the far left joining in with this whole Palestinian ultranationalist cause, even where they are chanting in support of Iran and Hamas.
	So this These are, just to simply put, far-left violent extremists.
	And they're not being reported as such in the media.
	There's always euphemisms to describe them.
	Protestors, racial justice protestors, Palestinian human rights protestors, so on and so forth.
	Mostly peaceful protestors.
	Pro-choice protestors.
	This was a PhD biochemist.
	He had everything given to him.
	wonderful education, comes from a very well-to-do background.
	And he engaged in creating Molotov cocktails to firebomb a pro-life charity in Wisconsin.
	So he was convicted on terrorism charges and he got a very sweetheart deal, 7.5 years.
	This was a federal prosecution.
	He left this threat, by the way.
	He also wrote Jane's Revenge.
	And this threat was then repeated in all these attacks, these menacing messages at churches.
	Can we just take a moment to appreciate the surprisingly good cursive handwriting that they've used for that?
	A PhD student, but obviously.
	Well, that's the point.
	This is a product of a fine education, but the curl on the F The joining of the A for the abortions and things like that, like, my goodness, I don't write that well.
	Are you giving him an A-plus for cursive now?
	Absolutely!
	Okay, but he's not the only one.
	I mean, as Andy just added these, it's good to know.
	I mean, you can see here, so this is a trans-identifying member of ANIFOR.
	Well, they decided that they were going to bomb a pregnancy resource center and have been given two years in prison for that.
	This person wasn't convicted for firebombing, it was vandalism.
	The thing is like I guess maybe Americans are so used to vandalism now it's kind of like oh like yeah no surprises no prison time but there have been those who have been convicted of vandalizing for example a mosque or Or Jewish institutions who have served prison time and sentenced to prison.
	So we're seeing this sort of pattern of these far left extremists.
	We're not seeing it.
	We've seen it for years.
	It's been going on for a long time where they do get lesser sentences when compared with the same crimes, but done for far right causes.
	Oh yeah.
	I mean, if they were the ones breaking into the Capitol on January the 6th, they'd all be out by now.
	In Ohio, this is also a federal conviction case.
	In Ohio, there was a man who also liked in Wisconsin with that PhD, far left extremist.
	He used a Molotov cocktail to fire a bomb at church.
	He was hosting drag queens events that he disagreed with.
	Okay.
	He was sentenced to over 18 years in prison.
	This is also a federal prosecution, just like the Wisconsin case.
	The Wisconsin firebomber got 7.5 years.
	I'm just going to read out the sign for the audio listeners.
	She's holding a sign here saying, forced birth is violence.
	Abortions are healthcare.
	End bodily autonomy.
	Abortions should be safe and free.
	I don't even need those last two lines.
	That is so 1984.
	Just inverse reality.
	But moving on because we're way over time just to end this off.
	There's another guy here.
	He got done for bombing, didn't he?
	Yes, this was just actually last week in Alabama.
	This is somebody who was arrested over a February nail bombing at the Attorney General's office in Montgomery, Alabama.
	And if you look on his social media, he's in jail right now.
	He hasn't bailed it out yet, as far as I know, because of the seriousness of the allegations.
	He's left behind this whole trail of Antifa propaganda.
	And they actually were able to identify him, if you read the court documents, because in addition to carrying out that nail bombing, allegedly that night, he was also allegedly recorded plastering these sticker propagandas in the propaganda.
	the proximity to the area and that those sticker proximities were anti-fub propaganda and he created a video where he was showing off these stickers and signs and whatnot that he then allegedly used the same night and in the proximity of the bombing and then the last one here is uh just the fact that they're on trial the rest of them which can you can you open up that picture on the bottom right at the bottom right yeah i want i want people to to see this
	and just remember the brutality of these people, what they do when they have their targets This is a picture from the San Diego riot.
	You see, they already have two people on the ground.
	In addition to beating one with one hand, the other hand is clawing at the flesh.
	Just remember that image.
	And one of those is a schoolboy, the victim on the right.
	Just actual...
	themes, if nothing else.
	It's been an excuse for the worst elements of their class to find an excuse to hurt people.
	The good news, which is trial of the decade.
	I think you are right to point out this is a very interesting future moment because you can decide what you're going to do with these people and how to push back.
	Getting them on gang charges, hey, it's an option.
	I doubt we will see other prosecutors who will be brave enough to prosecute them in The DA's office in San Diego has unfortunately been the target of a lot of media smears for their bravery in prosecuting this criminal gang.
	Well on that note, we shall move on.
	Alright, let's move on.
	Do you like conspiracy theories, Andy?
	Do I like them, you say?
	No, I don't.
	Oh, that's lucky, because we're going to be destroying a conspiracy.
	Okay, good.
	No, I love conspiracy theories.
	I think they're great.
	I don't believe any of them, but like, they're such a fascinating... I view conspiracy theories like science fiction.
	It's like, makes the world more... Entertaining.
	Yeah, they're entertaining.
	But they also sort of create this sort of mystical veil around what is usually people who don't really know what they're doing, struggling to do their best, right?
	I guess why I find them irritating and there's a lot of discourses that happen with conspiracy theories on the left and the right is that a lot of it is like not you can't just these are hypotheses like at least in the moment often cannot be disproven so it's It's irritating that we're discussing something that we can't even get to the truth of it at the end of the day.
	They become a red herring as well.
	You're a planned truster, aren't you, Callum?
	No, I'm joking, of course not.
	But they're a total red herring, because it's like, why are we talking about QAnon or whatever, when we should be talking about whatever the subject is?
	But I thought I'd talk about the flooding in Dubai, because I find this very interesting, because there's something of it that sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's not really a conspiracy theory.
	It's all very open, and Who knows?
	But anyway, so Dubai, I'm sure I don't need to tell people that Dubai is a desert city or a very small country in the Arabian desert.
	The climate of Dubai, just for anyone who doesn't want to take my word for it, what?
	It's a city, not a country.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, yeah, but it's a state.
	All right.
	So, you know, but it's an Emirate.
	Yeah, I know.
	But it's a state.
	It just irritated me by saying Dubai was a country.
	It was like, England is my city.
	That was all.
	Yeah, no, it is.
	It is my city.
	Thank you.
	But the point is, it's the most populous of the UAE.
	And again, if you don't want to take my word for it, it is a quote, subtropical desert with very mild or pleasantly warm winters and scorchingly hot summers.
	They get about three inches of rain a year, which is not hot.
	I want a new rain.
	Yeah, exactly.
	In summer, it never rains.
	There are technological things that we can do about that.
	For example, there are pilots who can make it rain.
	As the BBC reported in 2016, this rare group of pilots fly missions in storm clouds, encouraging the rainfall with formidable flying skills by using simple chemistry.
	Um, and so this is called cloud seeding, which, um, again, sounds like something that's a conspiracy, but it's not a conspiracy.
	It's just what they do.
	Um, so what they do is, uh, spray salt into the clouds.
	And this has some sort of chemical effect where it clumps the, uh, water together and then it falls as rain.
	Um, I mean, I would have thought that, hang on, isn't it saltwater raiding down on the land?
	A bad thing, but I assume it's just not enough salt to be an issue.
	They've done this for decades now, actually.
	In the 1990s and before, they used to use silver iodide for this because it's got a molecule structure very similar to ice.
	In the 1990s, a shift was made to the non-polluting hygroscopic salts.
	I'm not a scientist.
	But the point is, they stopped using silver iodide and decided salt will do.
	Probably because it doesn't poison the land or something.
	Fantastic.
	And so, Dubai have a meteorological... They have a department.
	Yeah, I was going to say, am I pronouncing that right?
	I have no idea.
	I don't normally use this kind of language.
	They have a government department that does this because it's sandy, they want rain.
	Exactly.
	And here's a video of them inside.
	Is it going to rain in Dubai today?
	Just so I know.
	I have to drive back from Abu Dhabi to Dubai.
	No.
	It's not raining.
	It's a sunny day.
	The UAE government invested more than $20 million in research to start a process called cloud seeding.
	The UAE performs around 1,000 hours of cloud seeding a year, and it's all controlled by this building in the National Center of Meteorology in Abu Dhabi, where they track the whole process.
	We met with a cloud seeding expert to explain how the seeding process works.
	We wait the forecast when we have a good, you know, chance for a cloud.
	We send the aircraft to that location.
	Go under the cloud.
	In the first stage of the cloud, there is good updraft at that time.
	Start to release all the salt and with the good updraft, of course, it will go inside the cloud.
	The droplets will become bigger and start to rain.
	So it's not like magic or anything like that.
	It's just a bit of basic science.
	And they do this because why wouldn't you do this?
	You're in Dubai.
	Of course you'd like some rain.
	Um, and so recently there's been a insane flooding in Dubai and you can see how people have begun to start putting two and two together on this one.
	Uh, they got two years worth of rain in one day, which, um, probably wasn't planned.
	Uh, they, Have had a slight problem, uh, dealing with this because I mean, this is like some sort of mega storm.
	Average day in London.
	I don't know what you're complaining about.
	Average day in London, unusual day in Dubai.
	And there were a lot of people saying, well, hang on a second.
	Look, it's just flooding because they, uh, they don't have drainage systems because why would they never rains?
	Well, it does now.
	So you might want to start building drainage systems and lots of people like, well, hang on a second.
	Uh, cloud seeding possibly to blame and it's like, Nah, this is just normal in Dubai, obviously.
	And here's the next one.
	I mean, that is insanely bad flooding.
	Have you ever seen a flood like that anywhere in England?
	Yeah.
	Where?
	We have it every year, pretty much.
	No, we don't.
	Yeah, we do.
	Victoria Station flooded, like, a year and a half ago.
	I'm not even talking about London.
	I'm talking about the areas that have to flood every year because of the floodwaters.
	Yeah, but it's not in the middle of a city.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, I thought you just meant have you seen floodwaters?
	I'm like, no, no, no.
	Like in, you know, town where the buildings are literally, you know, like, yeah, OK, there's flooding.
	My delivery is going to be late.
	Yeah.
	At least to my worries, to be honest.
	I'm thankfully not in the delivery economy.
	But anyway, so, please look, Bloomberg were like, well, Dubai grandstands still a cloud seeding worsens flooding.
	Average conspiracy theory position.
	But what I like about this is that this, if you go back five years, this was just a conspiracy theory.
	Right.
	And so they say that, you know, this has happened because the UAE has been carrying out seeding operations since 2002 to address water security issues and the lack of drainage can trigger flooding.
	The Gulf States National Center of Meteorology dispatched seeding planes from Al Ain Airport on Monday and Tuesday to take advantage of a convected cloud formation, according to Ahmed Habib, a specialist meteorologist.
	So one expert says that they went and seeded the clouds.
	Um, and this is something that has caused flooding before.
	This is from a 2016 broadcast on Australian media where in Tasmania.
	Uh, they had seeded some clouds and it created the worst floods in 40 years.
	And of course you can see, uh, what's happening there.
	So it's not that we don't know that actually cloud seeding can be possibly a little too effective.
	You can trigger flooding and massive amounts of rain if, uh, if you do it under certain conditions.
	And so anyway, let's get to the, uh, conspiracy theorists who think the governments can control the weather.
	I mean, are they that crazy at this point?
	What do they mean?
	Because yeah, I can see the word chemtrail here.
	Yeah.
	It's a whole different thing.
	Well, they say, uh, chemtrail conspiracy theorists vary in their claims, but some of the most popular include the belief that governments can control the weather on a massive scale, that scientists carrying out legitimate research on how to counteract climate change through a process called geoengineering are sequentially poisonous, or that even that powerful groups are spraying us with chemicals to make us pliant and easy to control.
	So yeah, that's probably what some people think.
	But those people are like, look, the government is making it rain.
	Well, those people aren't wrong, right?
	So we can delineate.
	There's two different things.
	I agree.
	I used to know a chemtrail believer.
	I had an ex-girlfriend.
	Her mum actually believed that they were poisoning the air so that we would all die out from not having kids.
	Yeah.
	Slight hole.
	Who's poisoning us but not breathing air?
	Bill Gates, of course, I'll get to it.
	But the point being, you can see why conspiracy theories would spring up around all of this, right?
	They are actually meddling with the weather.
	That's an indisputable fact.
	The question isn't really, are they doing things?
	Are they spraying things in the atmosphere?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	The question is, what is the intention of the people spraying things in the atmosphere?
	The conspiracy theorists are like, I think they're trying to kill us all.
	I mean, the flash floods are deadly.
	People do die, but that's, I assume, not the best way to commit genocide.
	No, but like I said, I'm not suggesting that's the purpose of the things.
	I'm suggesting this is maybe a case of you thought you knew more than you actually did.
	Right.
	And so Time Magazine is going to be like, well, I mean, conspiracy theorists are not entirely wrong, but they're definitely not right because we've stigmatized the concept of a conspiracy theorist.
	A conspiracy theorist.
	And so they have to admit that, yes, they do deliberately spray chemicals in the air for various reasons, not just cloud seeding.
	But they say, of course, no such plot is occurring.
	But a recent slew of geoengineering news could suggest the basic sense of concern isn't that far off.
	Both the US government and influential billionaires have been toying with research to cool the planet with so-called atmospheric aerosol injection in the face of runaway climate change.
	Proposals that see a portion of the public, uh, getting a bit suspicious.
	And so when, um, like for example, George Soros adds fuel to the fire, declaring his support for plans to try and brighten clouds over the Arctic to deflect the sun.
	You're getting Mr. Burns vibes out of it, right?
	Yeah, but I want Mr. Burns side.
	Why?
	I'm not in real life, I mean in the TV show.
	Do you really want Bill Gates to start pumping chemicals in the atmosphere?
	No, yeah, like I said, I'm not in real life.
	I mean actual Monty Burns, I believe.
	They are seeding clouds, they apparently are going to start putting chemicals in the atmosphere, but no, those conspiracy theorists are still mental.
	Are they that mental though?
	Well, I'm prepared to accept that they are bonkers.
	But, I mean, if you would stop doing the things they're accusing you of doing... Yeah, there's two differences.
	...the case would be a lot weaker from their side of the argument.
	Because, like, the chemtrail lady I knew, she believed that all passenger aircraft were fitted with chems to destroy the world.
	I was just like, well, that's silly.
	Yes, that's very silly.
	And then there's science, where you do do things like this.
	And, yeah, probably not the best idea.
	Probably don't do that.
	I mean, I'm even willing to believe that these people think they're doing the right thing.
	Yeah.
	Do you know, you ought to watch Snowpiercer.
	So the story of Snowpiercer is this guy builds a train and it's like a vault from Fallout, but it's a train.
	Right.
	And so, uh, these guys are spraying the earth to try and save us from climate change.
	And it actually ends up freezing the earth.
	So then everything's dead, except the guys on the train.
	It's trying to make it rain in Dubai and there's an accident, a flood that killed a bunch of people.
	But it's just, it's a similar theory.
	It's just like, well, it's a routine problem with humans where we do something we don't really understand and then mess it up.
	Yeah.
	These are hugely complex systems and actually interfering with them has knock on consequences that we couldn't predict.
	But anyway, on this, any thoughts on this so far, by the way, Andy?
	It's entertaining, I think.
	I guess my annoyance with some of the hypotheses that go viral on the right is that because it happens on the right, then the last reaction is to dismiss the entirety of any of the claims.
	And you know, within big conspiracy theories, there are obviously nuggets of truth that they pull from.
	These articles that you brought up have mentioned about various efforts to manually affect weather through cloud stuff.
	And then it toxifies the whole discussion.
	Yeah.
	That's what I really hate that happens.
	And then the journalists who want to actually investigate these claims or questions, then if they write on it or report on it, then they are lumped into the far-right conspiracy theorists and then delegitimize.
	So then a lot of journalists, just legacy journalists, don't want to touch it.
	Yeah, and you can see why they wouldn't because it's just that it's got a kind of smell around it where they're just like, you know, this will get on me as well.
	And it's because of the intentionality that underpins the conspiracy theory itself.
	I mean, the conspiracy theorists are not wrong that they are doing the things they're accused of doing.
	The question is, why are they doing it?
	And we can't have like a public conversation that's very reasonable about this because one side is saying, well, you're trying to kill us all.
	It's like, no one's trying to kill anyone.
	Surely, you know, that's, it's not part of a grand plot to, this may age badly.
	It's not part of a grand plot to wipe out half of humanity.
	It's just an accident.
	It may age really badly.
	Um, but, uh, but the point is Bill Gates is a backing, uh, high altitude, um, G a solar geoengineering to mimic the effects of a giant volcanic eruption.
	So, so thousands of flight planes fly at high altitudes, spraying million, millions of tons of particles, just, just particles.
	That's great.
	Massive chemical cloud that will cool the surface.
	Yeah, maybe don't do that.
	Maybe don't mess with stuff you barely understand.
	The thing is that I live in England, and I'm pro-summer.
	I don't want the world to be cooled, because it's not warm enough as it is, from my perspective.
	Which is probably a bit we can't put on YouTube.
	This isn't going on YouTube, we're still banned.
	Thank God.
	So the question then is, was cloud seeding responsible for the flooding in Dubai?
	Now, some experts say yes, and some experts say you're a conspiracy theorist.
	For example, Colleen Colger, a climate scientist at Imperial College London, says it's likely that the storm was supercharged by climate change.
	Because there's more moisture in the air, blah, blah, blah.
	And this seems to fly in the face of the Ahmed Habib, who's the meteorologist at the NCM, who says, no, we did seed it.
	So it's like, right.
	So a woman in Imperial College London says, no, climate change supercharged that.
	And the guy at the NCM was like, no, we did it.
	Okay, I guess, who are you going to believe?
	Again, there are more who are saying, well, don't blame cloud seeding for the Dubai floods.
	Why would we do that?
	The NCM itself, the institutional voice of it, has said, oh no, we engaged in no such cloud seeding operations before or during the storm.
	Omar al-Yazidi, the Deputy Director General, says we didn't do it.
	So on that one hand you've got one guy who says we did, on the other hand you've got one guy who says we didn't.
	And other various institutions of the government themselves it's like no no we didn't.
	Don't be ridiculous.
	And apparently an anonymous official, and I don't know whether it's the guy that we've already heard from, but an anonymous official said that apparently there was cloud seeding on that day.
	And so we have been reliably informed that we are supposed to blame climate change instead.
	The question isn't, were they seeding clouds?
	The question is, did they seed this cloud?
	Or was climate change simply responsible for this massive flood?
	I, of course, don't have an answer to this.
	It's also interesting how something gets described or labeled as conspiracy theory when it's not.
	When the left and the far left engage in conspiracy theories, it's not labeled in legacy media or broadly in wider society as conspiracy theories.
	I think, for example, Blaming climate change on things that have no relation, no connection to climate change.
	That is a conspiracy theory.
	Blaming white supremacy or systemic organized white supremacy.
	These are conspiracy theories as well on the left.
	And it's not seen by the wider public as conspiracy theories.
	That's a problem.
	Even the whole concept of conspiracy theory is, in some ways, a tool that the left uses.
	A partisan tool.
	A partisan tool to delegitimize entire categories of discussion.
	That is true.
	Um, but I guess we'll leave that there.
	I don't have any answers.
	Just letting you know that who knows they do do cloud seeding, but the, uh, the UAE government has denied that this was the consequence of cloud seeding.
	Uh, and I guess if you were doing this on a regular basis and there was a massive flood, you'd want to say, Hey, yeah, that's not my fault.
	So believe who you want.
	Let's go to the video comments, I suppose.
	In Hypernormalization, Adam Curtis notes a rather interesting book by dissident novelist the Strugatsky Brothers written to parody communism taking over from a departed capitalist world.
	Aliens visit the Earth but are completely uninterested in anything around them.
	They depart and leave behind zones with strange objects, essentially litter after a roadside picnic.
	Stalkers and national agencies entered these zones to try to extract the technology within.
	Strange behaviors like shadows going the wrong way and non-linear time are just some of the challenges faced.
	Blimey.
	Also the inspiration for the Stalker game series, which... Bloody great.
	I mean, it sounds like a fascinating series of books, actually.
	The next one.
	Callum, I was always taught by my dad, there are things you don't talk about, Religion, politics, and money.
	That kind of attitude is the Anglo-Saxon attitude, and that's probably one of the reasons why we're in the situation we are now, man.
	I was complaining that Anglo-Saxons have a bad relationship with money, and it's why we're bad at finance, or at least a lot of us, is because we just don't talk about it to each other, and it means that people don't know how money works.
	I mean, I was bringing up the specific example for the UK, so maybe this will amaze you or something, but in the UK, we have a thing called a licer, so for people who want to buy a house, you put four grand in, and the government gives you a thousand pounds for free, provided that you spend the account, whatever's in it, after five or ten years on a house.
	So you're just getting this massive return for free.
	Anyone can open it at the age of 18.
	And then nobody talks about it.
	I mean, in any normal circumstance, parents up and down the country would be screaming at their kids for opening it for them.
	They're just probably going to pound, so then it's open.
	So you can start saving money.
	And almost nobody knows about it.
	It's like, okay.
	Bad.
	Bad culture.
	Oh, I grew up in a dual culture home.
	My parents are immigrants from Vietnam.
	And when I traveled to Southeast Asia earlier this year, and it was that stark contrast in sort of what our cultural taboos are here, and it not being there in terms of what people can talk about.
	It was fascinating to see that contrast.
	Like, I guess maybe because I have been accustomed to sort of the things that you don't discuss in polite British society.
	I Naively kind of thought that maybe that existed in some way, like in most places, and it really doesn't.
	The British do really have a particular weird aversion to talking about politics and money.
	In America, it's not quite as severe.
	I think it's more mature in the United States.
	Talking about what things cost and what that's going to take and therefore people can roadmap things.
	Whereas in the UK, everyone just tries to avoid the topical together.
	It's about making sure that other people aren't made uncomfortable.
	Yeah.
	It's only uncomfortable for Anglo-Saxons.
	Like you go to Russia, people ask how much you make and it's not a rude question.
	Sure.
	But people don't like making others feel uncomfortable.
	That's the point.
	Yeah, but it's just the uncomfortability is a uniquely British thing.
	I mean, that, I think that's also why the, the issue around immigration and integration is so bad here.
	It's like, it's seen as impolite to talk about that in British society.
	Yeah.
	We also do have like a massive cadre of shit libs who control the country.
	So they make any discourse on the subject toxic to begin with.
	How many years have the conservatives been in government here though? 14.
	Another four.
	Well, I mean, you might suggest that zero years the Conservatives have been in government, because it's just been Tony Blair that's been in government for the last 25 years.
	27?
	28?
	One might argue.
	Let's go to the written comments.
	Yeah, Threadnaught sends a soup chat for $5.
	Thanks, man.
	And says, speaking of Antifa's most wanted, it's always nice to see you up and about, Mr. No.
	Nice shirt, too.
	Thank you.
	Do you want to tell us about the shirt on?
	Oh yeah, well I got this in Thailand and it's actually Thai, Lao and Cambodian New Year so I thought I'd wear it for the occasion.
	Yeah, it looks great by the way.
	Thank you.
	Sam says, nice to see Andy Ngo as today's guest.
	Always a pleasure to see him.
	So good to see him return after so long.
	Maureen says, I respect Kasparian.
	It must be difficult to acknowledge your viewpoints are wrong, especially if you built your career around it and are surrounded by people in the echo chamber.
	Her emotional way of talking still annoys me to the point where I can't take it seriously, but good for her.
	I agree with that.
	You know, I mean, it would be nice if she calmed down a little bit, but I think she's right.
	Calm down, dear.
	Yeah, she's not going to get that.
	But I mean, for her, this is like a big thing.
	She stepped out of, you know, the safety and security of being correct on the left.
	And it's a, you know, she's like literally stepping out of the vault into the wasteland as far as she's concerned.
	And she's doing it at a time when she has a lot to lose.
	We see people like Don Lamont who now speak out after they've already been chucked out of the liberal establishment.
	And even then, they're still insufferable.
	I take it you watched his interview with Elon?
	Oh, parts of it.
	It took too long to watch the full thing.
	Yeah, it was insufferable.
	He's learned nothing.
	There's a reason these people don't survive outside of the corrupt institutions.
	Outside of the vault.
	I'm liking this vault wasteland analogy, actually.
	You enjoying the Todd Howard memes I'm sending you?
	Matt says, wow, I remember where I was after the 2016 US election when Anna called us dumb and told us she was better than us.
	A few years later, I was very surprised to have a discussion with Ben Shapiro.
	She's been on a journey and I respect that.
	Even if she doesn't come all the way around to the right, this makes her come across as much less hysterical and more balanced than she used to.
	And that's the thing, as you said earlier, the fact that it's not just a hallelujah moment.
	The fact that you can see that she's slowly had to be like, okay, I have to think about this.
	Also, I think it won't be good for her to be on the right.
	She will be most effective by planting these seeds of dissident views that are actually, at the end of the day, non-partisan on the left.
	I mean, the so-called turf movement in your country would not be as successful as it would be without the left-wing feminists at the forefront of this.
	Yeah, yeah, totally.
	Like, there's not much of a TERF movement in America, is there?
	No, unfortunately.
	Very peculiar how... I mean, I'm not even going to go into it, but it's really weird.
	HR Slaves says, Anna will never be an ally to the right.
	I don't care if she wants to talk now.
	She made her own bed.
	Is this your alter account, Callum?
	She made her own bed.
	Sadly not.
	She can die in it.
	She doesn't belong on our side.
	How do you feel about that?
	I agree with myself.
	No, it's...
	Look, there's just so many people online.
	I don't actually find it that small a world, the political discussion world.
	And when people, if they come to that conclusion over a long period because they're thinking about it, that's one thing.
	But when I find people who have had the consequences of their own thoughts happen to them, And then change their mind.
	Only when it's that, and on a proper basis like all of California going down the pan.
	I mean the mass exodus of human beings from California, for example.
	I have less sympathy because it's... I mean, Anna, what was she?
	She was assaulted by some guy?
	Yeah, she was assaulted by a homeless guy in her front yard.
	This is the thing.
	If she had come to this position through the obvious point of it's nonsense, that's one thing.
	But like the Bolshevik who goes hungry, it's just like, well, that was unexpected, wasn't it?
	No one had said that was going to happen, did they?
	Well, I mean, there are a couple of things.
	So first thing, it's kind of like a magic spell that gets cast on them.
	This whole...
	Like an ego thing of liberalism where it just covers their eyes and they just view you as a Nazi.
	It's like a magic spell.
	She is a multi-millionaire, yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the second thing is I'm pro people getting what they vote for.
	Okay, yeah.
	And if that wakes them up out of the spell and makes them realize, hang on a second, why was I voting for this exactly?
	You know?
	It's also important to remember there are those who are so under the spell that even when they're victims of really horrific crimes they still never snap out of it.
	Think about the open borders female activists who have been assaulted or raped by migrant suspects and they are hesitant to cooperate with law enforcement out of fear of how it could impact Illegal migrants.
	There are those who have been killed by black criminal suspects in America who are prison abolitionists and their family will say well the wishes of this my deceased daughter or son is that wouldn't have wanted the assailant to go to prison.
	Which is true.
	I have even, I don't know what to do with that because those people are just like, insane.
	Like you are actually insane.
	Like long rib comrade Stalin whilst you're about to be shot.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But this, this is what Yuri Bezhnodov is pointing out.
	Some people are just irredeemable.
	Anyway, Threadnaught sends a $20 superchat.
	Thanks, man.
	And says, if Anna keeps this up, she'll end up with an anti-fob bounty on her head.
	I'm oddly starting to worry about her.
	She got herself into a very dangerous position.
	It'll be hard for her to get out.
	That time.
	Go on.
	How long until she moves to Florida?
	Well, it depends on the Young Turks themselves and the institution, right?
	She's pretty cool.
	I don't know.
	You think?
	If she keeps talking like this... I guess, yeah, yeah.
	Just saying.
	Fair enough.
	She'll be more safe.
	Lord Nerevar says, I'll be honest, I didn't see her abandoning the left anytime soon.
	She'll always be one of the most insane people on that side of the aisle, so I assumed she'd always fight in their corner, not complaining though.
	Yeah, like I said, I think it's changed.
	Brandon says, I'm curious to learn how your typical blue hat antifa shithead fares in prison.
	I mean, sure, they're scum, but prison is typically full of hardened criminals, not just people who, quote, bash the fash.
	How has that happened, I wonder?
	Like some antifa with a PhD goes into prison and is like, oh, hello.
	Hello, souls.
	I wish to tell you about the proletariat.
	And it's just like, bend over, boy.
	Well, it depends what prison you're going into, because often there are literally racial gangs in prisons, right?
	So you have a gang of white Nazis.
	A gang of black supremacists, and the white PhD goes, hello fellow black supremacists, I'm not a Nazi, and then he'll get his head kicked in, and the Nazi will be like, you're white, so you have to come with us, or you're going to die.
	So I was Antifa, and then in prison, I joined the Nazi gang.
	It's from my understanding that the few that do go to prison keep their political views to themselves.
	Yeah, I imagine.
	And others there might know what that person was convicted of, but it'll be something like assault or arson or some type of crime like that, and they are not aware of sort of the ideological underlining behind those crimes.
	And then, meanwhile, these criminals in prison will still hold on to their really extremist beliefs.
	There are a lot of Antifa sites devoted to what they call prison support, and part of that is about sending letters and texts and propaganda about the Antifa ideology to their comrades who are in prison.
	I mean, it's definitely got a cult aspect to it at this point, doesn't it?
	Yes.
	There's no question of it.
	The outsiders are evil.
	We have to support one another.
	The in-group is the only source of moral legitimacy.
	And if you are separated from the group for any period of time, then it's evident that you'll stop believing these things.
	So we have to keep you kind of embedded within us, even when you're in prison.
	There's an Antifa member in Washington State, Olympia, who was convicted for shooting a Proud Boy member a few years ago.
	And he's due to be out of prison soon.
	And there is an international Antifa blog site that is fundraising money to, in their own words, thank him for carrying out the shooting.
	So he's going to be...
	Um, getting cash as a reward for what he did.
	I kind of want to take you to Poland.
	So you know they have a nationalist march every year.
	There's this black block of legitimate fascists who turn up every year.
	They basically only exist in Europe.
	And what's interesting, because I went there recently, is I found that they are incredibly similar in that hyper in-group defense and preference.
	There's the Antifa guys you described in the United States, and we have a smaller amount of people who do that here.
	But it's funny how, once you get that extreme, that level of cultish behavior seems to be Very much the same.
	The tactics of the extreme far-left Antifa and that of the extreme far-right are really the same.
	They listen to the same genre of music, quite often punk, obviously with different political positions on it.
	They adopt the tactics of the Black Bloc.
	They have the whole propaganda with the stickers and the text and the recruiting tactics.
	And those who are in, those who are out, if you cooperate with law enforcement or you somehow betray any of them, you are persona non grata and subject to be beaten on site.
	They're violent thugs.
	They use gang tactics and the tactics are the same of neo-Nazis and Antifa.
	Matthew says, how are Antifa not classed as a domestic terror organization?
	They literally target people for their political beliefs.
	Because in the United States, legally, there's actually, the government cannot declare an organization a domestic terrorist organization as like, in terms of like a legal category.
	It's the First Amendment protects Belief, period.
	You can organize as a neo-Nazi in America.
	You can organize as anti-fascist in America.
	You cannot be prescribed as you can in the UK.
	For example, the equivalent of Hizb ut-Tahrir in the US cannot be banned.
	It just cannot.
	What can be banned is if there's an international element to it.
	For example, Al-Qaeda, IAS, Boko Haram.
	Because those are There's legislation around terrorism and it's defined in an international way.
	Those groups can be banned.
	So I know a lot of people remember that Trump tweeted at some point, I'm declaring Antifa a terror organization.
	It legally is not meaningful.
	It's like the political statement is something like he's saying my administration will view them in that way but it doesn't actually come with any legal authority to like prosecute them with like an additional thing or a sentencing enhancement.
	Do you have any more Super Chats?
	Otherwise we need to end.
	No, but we're a bit late, so let's go two minutes.
	I know, I know.
	Sorry, my answers are long.
	No, no, no, it's not your fault.
	Baron Von Warhawk says maybe God just hates Dubai.
	I don't think why.
	Yeah.
	Nick Taylor says, climate change is the ultimate conspiracy theory, so there.
	Kevin says, cloud seeding is used all over the place.
	China did it to the Beijing Olympics.
	Pretty devastating to the farmers outside of Beijing watching their crops washing away though.
	Yeah, but it's not like China's got a tradition of caring about their bloody farmers, is it?
	An Arizona desert rat says, this makes me wonder which molds and fungi will start growing in the UAE since they suddenly have a bunch of moisture.
	It's a weird thing to start wondering about, isn't it?
	That didn't occur to me at all.
	But yeah.
	All right.
	If you want to find more of Andy, you can find him here.
	I suppose you want to get this on screen.
	So this is Andy's Twitter here, at MrAndyNo.
	Thank you.
	And my website is Andy-NGO.com.
	You can support me on Locals and Patreon, and the links are on my website.
	Thank you so much.
	That's where we are.

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