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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #878

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Easters episode 878 on Monday, the 25th of March, which is noted down incorrectly in the documents. the 25th of March, which is noted down incorrectly in They tried to catch me out there trying to carry on.
	Yeah, Dan, I can see what you're trying to do.
	You're trying to make a fool of me after I castigate everybody else.
	I wrote lots of this on Sunday, so it was the 24th.
	So you thought Monday, Sunday, there's no real difference between them.
	It'll be the same day, essentially.
	Normally Callum doesn't put the date on.
	We've got a date.
	Callum doesn't know what day it is anyway.
	It's a step in the right direction.
	Yes, certainly it is, he says, smacking the desk.
	So yes, as you can see, I'm joined by Dan and we're joined today by our very special guest, Poe the Person.
	Hello.
	Thank you for having me.
	Thank you for coming in.
	Now, you have an excellent, what is it, a Twitter.
	Yeah.
	And Twitter.com.
	Oh, no, it's X. X.com.
	And you've also got a YouTube channel.
	Tell us about your YouTube channel.
	I started my YouTube channel in 2017.
	A lot of people know me from one of the first videos I ever made was about James Damore being fired from Google for saying some basically common sense things about why women aren't engineers and being a female engineer at the time.
	and being quite into sort of Jordan Peterson and the intellectual dark web as we used to call it, I felt equipped to go on YouTube and very unprofessionally just sit on the floor reading a bunch of articles about James Damore that explicitly said things that were incorrect about what he had written about sex differences and engineering.
	So many articles just reported things that were Easily false or viable.
	That were not true, that were easy to check.
	If you just read what James Damore had written, it was so obviously spun for a narrative.
	And it's just grown and grown since then.
	You now host the popular Whammins Hour, I believe.
	I don't co-host it anymore.
	So I did for a while.
	Staying up to date, then, are you, Dan?
	So we had a bit of a hiatus.
	Now Birdie is... My co-host Birdie is now... Oh, he rotates around the group?
	Yeah, so she's hosting it on a different channel now.
	Yes.
	YouTube lets women on there?
	Lots of sensible videos on there like why women nag and other stuff.
	And fake autism.
	I like that stuff.
	You seem to have moved from the kitchen to under the stairs.
	I've been under the stairs for about a few years now.
	Fair play and they let you out to come here.
	Yeah, it's a much more professional setup here, I have to say.
	My favourite mic to use is just this little portable mic that I've got on my desk, and the camera that comes on my laptop is a wonderful thing.
	It seems very flattering when it's captured in terrible lighting.
	Well I mean if it makes you more comfortable I can do it.
	Do we have a stepladder that we could place behind you Jack perhaps?
	No but in all good fun it's great to have you here and today we're going to be talking just because we are supposed to be talking about news and things that have happened over the past few days.
	Over the weekend we're going to be talking about what happened in Moscow, the terror attack.
	We're going to be talking about containment UK and you've got plenty to say there Dan.
	I'm looking forward to that and if we have time at the end Because we've got a pair of chatterboxes on.
	A trio of chatterboxes, really.
	We might be able to talk about Candace Owens and what happened with the Daily Wire, but we'll see if we've got time for that near the end.
	So, on Friday night at about 10 to 8, four gunmen entered the Crocus Expo City Mall, which I think we've got up here.
	So this unit here combines a shopping centre, theatre, restaurants, various other sort of facilities.
	You know the sort of deal with this thing.
	It's located on the west side of Moscow.
	It's right next to the inner ring road, so it's got excellent motorway links.
	Four gunmen entered that.
	They worked their way swiftly across the front of the expo into the concert centre, killing indiscriminately as they went.
	We believe the death toll is in excess of 140 people at this point.
	There is much footage available online of the attack, which if you can still yourself to that sort of thing, you can find, which obviously we can't play here.
	But I do have a recreation which will briefly cover some of this.
	So for those listening, we've got the gunmen entering at about 10 to 8.
	Making their way into the main entrance.
	They move swiftly across the mall, front section of the mall.
	They go into the main theater, still firing.
	This is all within 10 minutes.
	They use an incendiary device to start a fire and then make a swift getaway where they then promptly headed towards Ukraine.
	Several hours later they were intercepted by Russian security forces.
	So the interesting thing about this of course is that within moments of this attack going around the world, Western media already knew that it was an ISIS attack.
	I'm not quite sure how they were able to figure that out quite so quickly.
	It's whatever it is, three years now.
	We still don't know who's done the Nord Stream Pipeline.
	So is this just that the headlines and all of the journalists immediately began reporting a few minutes after?
	Was this even prior to them being picked up by the Russian security services?
	Um, I'm not sure.
	It might have been, actually.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it might well have been.
	So it was very quick.
	So, um, yeah.
	So we don't know how the Western media were able to diagnose the cause of this quite as quickly as they did.
	But they did.
	Now, interesting things around this.
	Let's talk about some of the factors around this.
	The US embassy in Russia put out this notice beforehand.
	This is a security alert.
	Avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours.
	The embassy is monitoring reports the extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow to include concerts and US citizens should stay away.
	Which is obviously being picked up in Russia, that has been noted.
	To give them their dues on this, I know that looked really bad.
	I suspect it's just because the US are up in everyone's phones.
	Potentially, I mean this is the sort of thing that the international security agencies are supposed to be doing, is to get word of if there's going to be attacks like this, and make people aware of it so that they don't get caught up in whatever happens if it does go down.
	So this could be an example of the CIA or somebody, the embassies, actually coordinating and giving the proper information in a timely manner.
	Yeah, I mean, I suspect it was after the 9-11 attacks, the US intelligence services realized that they needed to be, or decided that they needed to be, in everyone's electronic communication.
	And I suspect all of these apps, whichever one it is, including Telegram, they have a backdoor into and they are monitoring actively for anything like this.
	So I know it looks super bad but I've got to say my first instinct is probably it's just because they're spying on absolutely everyone everywhere in the world at all times.
	If that were the case they'd have a specific date and a location for it.
	Unless these communications that the terrorists are using are if they're meeting in person in a basement with no With no electricity.
	In a spooky car room.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's possible that they're smart enough to get around these spying.
	Yeah, I mean, I've heard all sorts of methods for sort of getting around this.
	Like you share an email account and you put something in draft, but you never send it.
	Or you go on some skewer video game that has a multiplayer function.
	You communicate in that and stuff like that.
	So they might have known something was going on on Telegram in terms of people sort of meeting up and being recruited and stuff like that.
	But we're a little bit vague about the final steps on this.
	But I mean, this was an extremely well-organized, swiftly moving, very effective attack.
	So, So, yeah, that's not good.
	It wasn't that organized in the sense that it didn't get away.
	It was a typical terrorist attack where they're kind of just fighting to the death.
	They weren't expecting to get out of there with their hides intact.
	Well, that's the interesting thing, of course.
	You know, if you're from any Western country, you're well used to Islamic attacks at this point.
	We've had multiple in this country.
	The defining feature of them is that they don't tend to come out alive.
	Often times they take themselves out?
	Well, yes.
	I mean, a lot of the times they will wear suicide vests to make sure, because the reason they're doing this is because they want their 72 virgins.
	They don't want to miss out by an inconvenience being jailed for the next 30 or 40 years.
	Certainly ISIS, but these guys, as you say, got out and then immediately started to head for the Ukrainian border.
	Would that just be because it's the closest border that was there for them?
	We've come to that.
	All right.
	Yes, there are some factors behind that.
	The only other thing I'd say about jihadis living through this sort of thing is the only ones I can think of is those guys who attacked Lee Rigby.
	I think they're both still in jail, aren't they?
	Well, they surrendered immediately and handed themselves in.
	No, I seem to remember one of them rushed the police.
	Oh, did he?
	I definitely remember one of them rushing the police and getting shot.
	But obviously, because we need to do what's right, we immediately then rushed into hospital and put all the expensive surgeons on making sure that his life was saved.
	Oh, thank God.
	Yes.
	It would have been terrible.
	I wondered if the Russian forces have a kind of super dangerous taser that they can use to capture people.
	You know, something that we wouldn't use in this country because it's too inhumane.
	Probably a bullet.
	Yeah, I mean, if not just shooting them, if they were really trying to capture them, because they want to know.
	They want to extract, yes.
	So if they were rather aggressive with capturing them, they may have been able to knock them out.
	Well, from what I've heard, since they've picked them up, they've been very aggressive.
	I'm sure we'll be getting onto it.
	I will certainly mention that.
	I sort of respect the reason why they're able to spend three hours driving towards the Ukrainian borders, because one, they wanted to know where they were going, but second of all, any nation state, particularly one of that size, can get up in your phone when it wants to.
	So they were probably monitoring their phones.
	They had their mics and cameras activated and wanted to see what they said amongst themselves on that three-hour drive before sort of finally intercepting them.
	I would imagine something like that happened.
	So obviously a terrible event.
	Apart from some perspectives, you know, this was typical of Ukrainian social media at the time.
	Absolute jubilation from hundreds of people at the death of all those Civilians, which is of course a rather ugly sentiment but they are in a conflict and it just goes to show the horrors of war and what it does to people.
	This is one of the things that's been brought about by the complete and total state.
	The way that every member of a nation's population is now considered complicit in the actions of its government.
	So these are Russian citizens who would have just been out and about shopping at the theater.
	They might have been seeing something.
	They get killed.
	A high proportion of teenagers.
	Yep, teenagers, people who have nothing to do personally with the conflict, other than the fact that they are Russian, and they get killed, and the opposing nation state, their population, because they're all similarly considered complicit, they all celebrate it.
	It's horrible to see.
	This isn't how conflict should go.
	I know you're not spoiled, but I find it disgusting that nation states see any and all members of the opposing population, whether they're involved or not, as fair game.
	That's horrifying.
	So I'm not saying there's anything particularly deficient in the Ukrainian psyche.
	I mean, I remember during the COVID era, there were people in this country who would put me in a concentration camp because I didn't have the you-know-what.
	This is all a function of mass media and propaganda.
	It's infected everyone.
	Absolutely right.
	A Ukrainian spokesman swiftly put out a statement saying that they do not partake in terrorism in Russia, although he may possibly be forgetting that they did the suicide bombing on the Crimean bridge.
	Is that confirmed as being Ukrainian?
	I think they stopped pretending it wasn't at some point.
	I'm not aware that they're not doing that anymore.
	Was anyone killed in the destruction of the bridge?
	Well, the driver.
	Okay.
	Yeah, well, it was a suicide.
	I mean, we think of a suicide bombing as typical terrorism, but if it's actually a tactical, you know... I can't remember, to be honest.
	There's also the question of whether the driver knew what exactly he was signing up for.
	Then, of course, there was the car bomb on Dugan's daughter in Moscow.
	So, yeah.
	As for terrorist attacks, when I was thinking about this story, If this had happened at any other time, or to any other country in Europe indeed, other than during this war with Ukraine, no one would think it was suspicious at all that ISIS wanted to attack Moscow, and that they did, and that they were effective at doing it.
	It's sort of just a typical thing that happens every few years in Europe.
	It's only because Russia has a long history of conflict with Islamists.
	Yes, so Russia definitely has a long history of conflict with Islamists.
	I'll definitely be mentioning that.
	But the other thing you point about, if this had happened at any other time, would we be putting up Russian flags on our bios?
	Would Downing Street be lit up with a Russian flag if this happened at any other time?
	Would we be having to talk about the blowback on innocent Islamists?
	Things like that.
	Yeah.
	So, um, one of the, um, uh, one of the gunmen was, um, captured.
	Um, this is the tamest video that I could find, but here he is surrounded by, um, uh, Russian security services.
	Um, I better pause that there just in, just in case we get flagged for anything, but, um, one of the people that I would least want to be in the entire world, wide world, Well, if this is one of the men who tried to mow down hundreds of people and did successfully mow down dozens of people, then shaking and cowering in fear is not going to get you anywhere.
	On the f-around-and-find-out scale, I think you've surpassed anything.
	So late last night we got some updated photos of these guys being presented in court in Russia and they looked like they had aged about 30 years in one day.
	And I think that they are still in their honeymoon period of their time with the Russian security services because they still need to put them in front of cameras.
	I think they are going to have a very eventful next 14 months or so.
	I mean, it's just extraordinary that they thought that they were going to get away with this.
	And this is the weird thing that everybody's noting, is Islamists almost always follow the pattern of shouting about Allahu Akbar while they're doing it, and make sure they're dead.
	And these guys did neither of this.
	They claim to have done it for money, about a million rupees, which is about 10 grand.
	So they're clearly very low IQ individuals, because if you thought there was even the remotest possibility that you were going to get captured by the Russians, at a minimum you'd have your testicles removed before you went on this journey.
	I think he's going to be regretting that for some time.
	I think 10 grand.
	I saw that figure from RT.
	I don't know what the source is for that, but that's one of the things that made this seem very dubious, this story that RT put out.
	Is it Russia Today?
	They have a bias.
	I know our media has a bias too, but they've got a different bias.
	The idea that on top of whatever ideological reasons they have for doing this, that you'd also just sweeten the deal by giving them I think he's a Tajikistanian.
	Like £10,000, this guy, $10,000, whatever.
	What is that for this guy?
	I think he's a Tajikistanian.
	We're going to call up the map in a minute, but he is from a part of the world where actually that is fairly significant money.
	Also, once again, if it was an ISIS attack, if it was Islamists, why would they need the money in the first place?
	Yeah, they'd want the money up front so they can do all their sinning and strip clubbing and all the rest of it beforehand because then it all gets wiped clean on the day when they sort of martyr themselves.
	So you're right, Poe, that at any other time this might seem simpler, it might seem a straightforward sort of Islamic attack.
	Furthermore, just to make this point, Russia is at a very vulnerable place.
	They're spread thin.
	Their forces, their resources are spread very thinly at the moment.
	So it could be ISIS thought this was an opportunistic time to strike this target in particular.
	Russia is their enemy and it makes even more sense that they would do it during a war with Ukraine.
	Um, and yeah, it could be that the Ukrainians knew that it, you know, some branch of some part of the Ukrainian, um, forces, intelligence, whatever, knew that it was happening and let it happen.
	Or, you know, they, they said that you can escape through here.
	They have apparently been disrupting a number of other similar sort of cells.
	Um, so, um, Putin went on, on live TV, um, a few days prior to this, and he's claimed that, that he claimed that Ukraine had switched to a primarily a terrorist-based hack approach.
	Um, including shelling towns, assaults on government officials, and attempts to recruit terrorist cells.
	And he said that the FSB were actively disrupting a number of terrorist cells.
	Um, I know there was one in, uh, I think a basement of a synagogue or something they had burst into and find a large cache of weapons.
	So he claims to be regularly disrupting this sort of activity at the moment.
	And he claims it's coming from Ukraine.
	What raised eyebrows is something like this.
	So if you remember about a month ago, interestingly enough, all these guys that have been captured, they say they were recruited about a month ago.
	Anyway, about a month ago, Victoria Newland, senior honcho at the State Department, she said this.
	With this money, Ukraine will be able to fight back in the east, but it will also be able to accelerate the asymmetric warfare that has been most effective on the battlefield.
	And as I said in Kyiv three weeks ago, this supplemental funding will ensure Putin faces some nasty surprises on the battlefield.
	field.
	The big grin on her face there when she says, um, nasty surprises.
	What was probably more key in that was the phrase asymmetric warfare.
	What does she mean by asymmetric warfare?
	Um, here we are, um, with, um, the Rand Institute, um, and they helpfully give us a definition of what they mean by Asymmetric warfare.
	So they say the 9-11 terrorist attacks and the war in Afghanistan are amongst the best-known recent examples of asymmetric warfare.
	Conflicts between nations or groups that have disparate military capabilities and strategies.
	RAN instigates political and military responses to the impacts of counterinsurgency, terrorism and other forms of irregular warfare.
	So we're pretty clear on what asymmetric warfare includes.
	So could you count the guerrilla warfare of the Viet Cong as a form of asymmetric warfare?
	Yeah, I think that would fall under this definition.
	But it certainly does include acts of terrorism.
	And there was Vicky Nuland saying that she was supplying funds to the Ukraine for the purpose of asymmetric warfare, which does include terrorism.
	So, you know, we are never going to know for sure who was behind this, but you can see why eyebrows have been raised over this sort of thing.
	Coming back to your point, Po, about the sort of Islamist problem that Russia does have.
	Yes, Russia does have a reasonably large border with Ukraine.
	So for those of you listening, we're now looking at a map of Russia.
	It has an absolutely extraordinarily long border with Kazakhstan.
	I believe that's the longest land border in the world.
	It's almost 5,000 miles long.
	And through Kazakhstan, you then basically get into all the stans.
	And they can be the bits that are a little bit... islamic-y.
	Is that the academic term?
	I think that is the academic term, yes.
	So a number of these chaps seem to have come from this particular stan, Tajikistan.
	And of course, long before that, on this bit over here, Russia had its conflict with Chechya, which I think is around about that bit there.
	Again, that consisted of Chechen nationals, but also those who wanted to see an Islamic state as well.
	They were sort of all bundled in that.
	So basically, after Russia won that, if you were an Islamist in this part of Russia, you couldn't stay there.
	So you had to go off and find something else with yourself to do, and a lot of them ended up joining ISIS, Al-Qaeda, a lot of these groups.
	So there were a lot of people with Russian connections who left.
	And basically what's happened since is those guys have then gone back and joined in with Ukraine.
	They've thrown their lot in behind Ukraine.
	So this is not a, you know, a wild conspiracy statement.
	This is the banner that a lot of times they fly under, you know, a mesh up of the two, of ISIS and the United Caucus.
	So this would be a case of common cause.
	They could be joining in the Ukrainian effort just so that they can get their own territory back without being huge supporters of Ukraine.
	Callum is showing me this morning videos of them basically fighting the Russians and then playing the ISIS music over the top.
	You know, these promotional videos that they do.
	So they pump out a whole bunch of these.
	And this article here, I mean, that's from well over a year ago.
	Pointing out that hundreds of Al-Qaeda militants have arrived in Ukraine from Syria because, well, their enemy is the Russians, so it's the opportunity to sort of go back into that and carry on the warfare there, and of course that is effectively their profession.
	So look, we will probably never know who was behind this attack.
	Just like we don't know who was behind the Nord Stream Pipeline attack.
	We don't know who's behind the Las Vegas shootings attack.
	You know, that seems to have gone very quiet.
	If you remember, ISIS claimed responsibility for that as well.
	Although that's been debunked since.
	It was just ISIS was jumping on the bandwagon with that one.
	But it is a bit weird that they didn't make sure they got themselves martyred because that's the entire route to your 72 virgins.
	A number of those guys have been identified as having previously worked for the Ukrainian army as recently as last year.
	Presumably they were quit and decided to pursue another career path and the Ukrainian army just said, yeah, that's fine.
	We don't need you at the moment.
	You can go.
	Um, they're obviously very low intelligence individuals, if you've watched any of the clips.
	So clearly there was somebody else steering this.
	And the interesting question, of course, is who was it that was going to be steering this?
	And, you know, we've talked about, um, you know, some of the people that might be motivated to do so.
	The only thing I would say on this is, is if people are wondering why there might be a motivation to do this sort of thing.
	Remember what Israel did after a similar attack?
	They, some say, massively overreacted.
	And that massive overreaction cost them a considerable amount of international support.
	What did the US do after a similar attack, 9-11?
	They massively overreacted.
	The result of that was to lose considerable international support.
	The trouble that the collective West has been having with Russia is that the global majority, the global South, whatever you want to call them, have generally backed Russia.
	So if they can be pushed into an action which costs them considerable international support, that is certainly a win, some would say, for the others behind this.
	So what you're looking for is people with the means, motive and opportunity to carry out some of this.
	So, you know, I've got no hard answers on this.
	Personally, I am just extremely grateful that during these, you know, difficult times of international strife, that the West doesn't have wide, open, unvetted borders, so that anyone in the world can gain access to our shopping centres.
	Well, that was fun.
	Yes.
	Should we go on to something a bit more fun?
	I think just to round off that segment, I I believe that using the simplest explanation, I think probably ISIS did it.
	I think the only question that's in my mind is how complicit Ukraine was in not really trying very hard to stop them.
	Well, Ukraine are paying ISIS.
	They're funding and paying them to fight.
	So, and that's just open.
	Yeah, no, I mean, in terms of like, who knew?
	Really, what people want to know is, who is the highest up person in Ukraine who knew that Russian civilians in Moscow, in a shopping center, were going to die?
	Because there's killing, you know, there's paying soldiers to fight other soldiers.
	And the whole point and the reason we're talking about this is that that is different to paying someone to go in with a machine gun and kill lots of people.
	The people who were shopping.
	The questions that come off of your question would be if that person was high, were they high enough to be able to do anything about it?
	And if they were, why didn't they?
	Yeah.
	And if they, maybe they did.
	Maybe they did and Isis decided to go rogue on them.
	A lot of questions.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So, let's talk about Containment UK.
	This will be an interesting one to get into because obviously Bo did this segment on Friday about how he was booted out of the party.
	About how he was very based and regretted nothing and would do it all again and double if he was given the offer.
	Um, I had actually also been booted out of reform, and I had briefly mentioned it in passing, but I never really went into any detail about it.
	Yeah, yours was a while ago, wasn't it?
	Yes, well, out of respect to Beau, I thought, well, Beau's still running, so I'll keep my powder dry, but now... now... I don't need to.
	Dan has been let out of his cage.
	Yes, Dan Unleashed.
	Do you not have a personal word with him to warn him that this is going to happen?
	Yeah, I did say to him, actually, you know...
	If you're based, you're probably going to get chucked out, and he's like, yeah, that might happen.
	Honestly, given some of Bo's former interactions and some of the stuff that he's gone on about on the podcast, I'm shocked he lasted this long.
	I'm shocked it took, not hate, doing an expose on him, because other members, former members of the Reform Party, have been removed for tweets.
	You got removed, I think, for Shall I briefly tell my story?
	What was considered so awful that got me booted out?
	So they came to me, not the other way around, same with Bo, asked if I wanted to run and honestly running for Parliament it is a massive pain in the arse, it really is.
	Because I've done it twice before, once for the Tories and once for UKIP.
	And you have to throw hundreds of hours into it.
	Hundreds of it.
	It is tireless, thankless work.
	Now, if you've been selected for a safe seat, okay, fair enough, you're going to get whatever it is, a 90 grand job.
	Well, you're not Rishi Sunak and you don't get gifted a safe seat.
	Yeah, but all of my seats have been complete, no hope.
	So it is a right pain to do.
	And so, yeah, so they asked me to join.
	I said, okay, fine, I'll do it.
	But I'm not curtailing what I think at all.
	and I told them that I'm involved in this, and they were like, yeah, yeah, fine, that's all right.
	Anyway so they then sent their offence archaeologists on going through my my past social media and they managed to and you won't believe this right they managed to find a tweet from the day after the Manchester Arena bombings And I was responding to a newspaper article that was basically saying that there was a small number, like two or three mosques, that were churning out all of the radicals.
	And I made the comment that, you know, these people need to be deported and those mosques need to be closed.
	Closed, preferably.
	Yes.
	What percentage of the British people would disagree with that?
	What's the percentage of Muslims in the country?
	Because that is what I would expect to be the people.
	Yes, and maybe Lib Dems or something because they're a bit weird or something.
	Probably the Tory party themselves.
	But for that they booted me out.
	And that was what, six, seven years ago?
	Yeah.
	And I didn't particularly care because as far as I was concerned, I was doing them a favor, not the other way around.
	You know, you hadn't selected me for a safe seat.
	You know what?
	There wasn't a, there wasn't a good job and the prestige of being an MP at the end of it.
	So I didn't care in the slightest.
	I just thought you silly tits, what are you doing?
	Um, you know, the, the, the local organizer got in touch and said, Oh, you can do an appeal and something.
	It's like, no interest.
	You know, screw you guys.
	But anyway, yeah, that's my story.
	Anyway, I think it points to a deeper problem with reform.
	Now, a friend of ours has put together a video.
	I just want to play a couple of minutes of this because the way he frames it, I think, is so good that it will save us a bit of time.
	So let's watch a couple of minutes of this.
	In Iran, the Guardian Council pre-selects all electoral candidates for ideological compliance with regime directives.
	In Britain, the Tory government outsources this function to a man with this exact face.
	This man you see here, his name is Nick Lowles, and he runs an organisation called Hope Not Hate, which receive hundreds of thousands of pounds in government funding every year.
	Now this is a little bit baffling given that if you ever look at the stuff they put out they are constantly attacking.
	Tory MPs.
	Well, yesterday they ran a hit piece on this chap here.
	That is History Bro, also known as Bo Dade of the Lotus Eaters.
	And, hope not hate, they ran a hit piece on Bo yesterday because he is running to, or he was running to be an MP for Reform UK, run by this man here, Richard Tice.
	Now, reform are meant to be the alternative to the Tory party.
	They're meant to be running to the right of the Tory party on various issues.
	For example, yesterday Nigel Farage, who has apparently backed reform, said, I've been saying since 2020 that we should declare a migration emergency It has now become a national security emergency.
	This government is useless.
	Well, Beau Dade, in The Mallard, wrote a piece where he basically outlined, you know, a program that could help sort out the immigration problem.
	And in it, among other things, he praised Enoch Powell and he advocated for mass deportations.
	Well, according to Hope Not Hate, this puts him beyond the pale, and that was the hit piece basically on Bo, saying that he was far right and all the rest of it.
	And within an hour, within an hour, reform Rather than backing their man, rather than sticking by him, rather than saying, actually, you know, we do think immigration is a problem in this country.
	They immediately threw him under the bus.
	They apologized.
	They took him off the site.
	They just 100% complied with what Hope Not Hate requested, which is, you know, extremely kind of baffling and disappointing.
	And I just thought I'd, you know, alert everybody to the fact that if you were thinking of voting for reform, I would encourage you strongly not to, because as far as I can see, they're just like the Tories.
	And I think, as I'm going to go on to say later in this video, that both the Tories and reform should get zero seats, because they're not, they're traitors, basically.
	You know, boomer Richard Tice.
	He'll talk about economics and incentives, and then he'll reward his enemies.
	Enemies like Hope Not Hate will constantly have a go at him and his party, and they'll punish his friends.
	Like, literally, Bo Dade, who was a member of his party, was running to be an MP.
	In this way, the boomer Richard Tice takes the actions of the enemy while presenting himself as a friend.
	Therefore, I think we can conclude that the boomer Richard Tice is an enemy.
	I love that summation.
	I find it interesting that The enemies of reform like to frame them as a far-right party.
	They're further right than the Conservatives.
	And that's what they use to smear them.
	Well, Labour is further right than the Conservatives.
	On some issues.
	But if you look at what reforms say, and I've been listening to Richard Tice over the weekend, his interviews and things.
	They seem to have taken Carl's advice, and they want to frame themselves as sensible centrists.
	I think they're trying to scoop up that Brexit vote from Labour voters.
	I think they actually do want to portray themselves as centrist and if you look at their branding on their colour, they're not a darker blue than, I mean you couldn't get much darker blue than Tories, but they've gone for a lighter blue than the Tory party.
	Tory light.
	Yeah, I mean it is.
	And they could die a Tory.
	They could have gone purple but there's too much UKIP association there, somewhere between Tories and Labour.
	So I think they're going for a kind of populist Lib Dem.
	They're going for almost exactly Lib Dem though, aren't they?
	I think Lib Dem, who knows what Lib Dem actually stands for, but I think things like anti-lockdown that aren't really left or right coded, I think reform really went heavy against lockdown to begin with.
	And that was one of the things that attracted my attention.
	They're really the only party He liked the jabs, though.
	On that point, they are starting to attract those more radical members of the Conservatives, who, being a radical member of the Tory party these days, is basically just being a centrist on some issues, because they are such a far-left party at this point.
	From my perspective, looking at it as a whole, the tactic seems to be that they really are just positioning themselves Not even just as Tories like they are the new Tories.
	They have got a few defections that have come over like Lee Anderson, like this Manchester mayoral candidate who was running under the Tories and I think now he's running under reform.
	So it seems to me that the tactic was present yourself in a way that's Palatable to those defecting Tories.
	Fill up some seats in some areas that you know you're not going to get anyway with people who are going to make you seem a bit more palatable to people like ourselves on the online right for a certain amount of time so that they're not immediately getting bad-mouthed by us.
	But then the second you start to get those defections in, immediately purge.
	Immediately cleanse the party because you can't be the new replacement Tories if you have people like yourself or like Beau in them.
	Well, we actually believe in the policies that they appear to advocate.
	But this is the extraordinary thing that Tice has done.
	He's basically done a reverse Maloney.
	So Maloney's strategy was to say all the based things, and then the moment she comes into power, immediately betray them.
	Whereas he's betraying his voters before he's got into power.
	That's not how politics works.
	No, no, no.
	We were discussing this before the podcast.
	My theory is that Tice has assumed, through how successful the Tories have been electorally, and how successful Maloney was, that the secret to success was the betrayal.
	And so you just skip that whole getting into power thing and do the betrayal and that guarantees you win the election.
	Yeah, so the Tories have betrayed their voter at every election for the last, whatever it is, 50 years at this point since the empire was given away.
	So let's just do the betrayal.
	100% more betrayal.
	And that will work for us.
	It works every time.
	So I quite like this image.
	I hope that's not going too far, but yes, I quite like that.
	Imagine being dominated in this way by a man that looks like Nick Lowles.
	What does it say?
	Because you've got this communist, this Nick Lowles chap who basically says jump and Tice jumps.
	How do we expect him to stand up to any of the battles that need fighting?
	I mean, Suella Braverman, or Braverman, however you pronounce it.
	Great example.
	Her whole thing was that she was supposed to be this Tory firebrand who was the head of the Home Office.
	She was going to be the one to actually get Rwanda done.
	She was going to be the one to start to clear out all of the illegals in the country and get things righted with immigration.
	But the second we got that telegraph expose from the insider in the Home Office, when it actually came down to brass tacks of her going into the Home Office and saying, do this!
	They said no, and she said, alright, sorry for asking.
	Anyway, have a good day guys.
	Well, the amount of people that you're going to need to fight in this situation if you get into power, you know, your own civil service, the judges, the human rights lawyers, the... NGOs.
	Yeah, the NGOs.
	The NGO blob.
	Yeah, the European Court of Human Rights.
	America.
	Yeah, it's going to be battle after battle And he gave in to Nick Lowe's.
	I'm starting to wonder if it actually is impossible.
	If there are parties ruthless enough to do it, can you just fire these people?
	Is it just literally impossible for people in power to actually have any power?
	The thing is, I think you do need to have that backbone, you need to have that strength behind you.
	Nobody in British politics at the moment has the strength behind them.
	Maybe they've got too many personal connections, maybe they've got blackmail material on them in the background, which is almost certainly the case for quite a few of them.
	I honestly, and this isn't just because I work with you guys and respect you guys, I honestly think that if somebody like Beau had somehow got in and then managed to somehow skyrocket to the head of the party.
	I see someone like Beau or yourself actually having the ruthlessness needed to be able to say...
	Because what you need is you need to get into the position of power and then you need to put essentially, like Blair did, your lackeys in all the positions where you're going to kick the doors down and get things done.
	So all of that and you just need to do stuff without waiting around to find out if you can get permission of somebody who doesn't like you.
	Well, as Michael Gove said, it's un-British to do things.
	Well, quite.
	I mean, straight after your meeting with the Queen, you need to summon in the heads of the army, the heads of the navy, and you've got to say to the navy guys, right, if boats are coming across, you give them a warning.
	If they ignore that, you fire a warning shot.
	And if they still continue, you sink them.
	And, you know, how many of those we have to do?
	Not many.
	When it comes to the people that we've already got here, you need to, you know, maybe no one's going to want to take them.
	So you say, fine, okay, well, we're going to load up a ship.
	We're going to take you to Southern Somalia, a lawless state, and we're going to drop you there.
	And what you will find is all the rest of them suddenly realize that they can leave of their own volition.
	You know, you don't need to do much with a bit of background, but you can fix this stuff very quickly.
	And that's with the illegals.
	I've spoken to plenty of people who've spoken before about the people who legally come into this country.
	Just the amount of benefits that they get, both in terms of a pure monetary value that they get from government handouts, and then also I think there's something like the Turkish Barber's Allowance, which means that they don't have to stick to regulations and other things that actual British barbers do.
	It makes it really easy.
	All you do is you go, none of that anymore.
	Yes.
	And then they just go, well, if it's... You drop all the carve-outs and exemptions, like, for example, the food safety standards.
	No, you're not getting an exemption for hallow meat anymore.
	It's going to be food safety standards all the way.
	You just get rid of the exemptions, you get rid of the excessively generous welfare and the payments, you show a little bit of hard force around the border, and you're halfway there.
	You know, you'll find it will sort itself out.
	I'm not sure exactly what Bo got in trouble for, but it sounded like it was this taboo around re-migration.
	I went to the traditional Britain conference where, I can't remember if it was Carl or Dr. Parvini who were speaking.
	I think it was Nima.
	Yeah, some people in the audience got... there was a full-on debate going on during the question and answer session, and the atmosphere in the room changed.
	Everyone's against immigration in that room, but then as soon as someone says re-migration, It's a chilly atmosphere.
	But I think you're absolutely correct that you don't need to incentivize people to leave, you don't need to force them to leave, you just have to stop incentivizing them to stay.
	Just take away the incentives and yeah, like I said, half the battle's done.
	It's not re-migration, it's just stop Stop making such a soft bloody touch.
	I think to just clear everything up, for Beau it was the fact that he had suggested remigration of illegals in the article for the Mallard and elsewhere on the podcast, although if you believed all of the headlines you would think that it was purely because he offended the Scottish.
	I don't think he said that.
	- Because he said all of the export is iron, brew and heroin. - Hope not hate said that he was suggesting that British citizens should be remigrated.
	I think that was-- - Yeah, I don't believe he said that.
	I'm not advocating that either.
	But yeah, I mean, I got this reaction to one of it.
	And I'm not sure if this is a value free analysis or what he wants, but essentially he's right.
	He's saying, you don't understand.
	Richard Tynes had to kick these people out of reform.
	It's all about electability.
	The less you believe in, and the less you express your positions, the more electable you are.
	They're a serious party for serious people.
	The more of a nihilistic vacuum you are.
	Yeah, but the more you appeal to the British public, maybe.
	I think that is our actual tactic, is put a name on every seat so that when you get to the ballot box, there is another party you can vote for.
	And the less you know about that name, the better, because all you want is people who don't want to vote Tory anymore to have another name they can tick.
	The last thing you want is candidates who can think for themselves.
	You might be right there, because once again, I'm shocked that Bo lasted this long, but it's as soon as his name goes out to the public, on a more public forum, that all of a sudden Tice and the others absolutely shit themselves.
	But the thing that gets me about this tweet is it's true.
	Electability is about believing in nothing, not expressing your opinion.
	Well if you believe in nothing, then the Guardian and HopeNotHate can't write hit pieces about you.
	I wonder about the strategy of reform.
	I don't know if they're expecting to get into power, or if they are just trying to apply pressure to the way that UKIP did with Brexit, just to say, OK, we're stealing your votes, so whoever gets into power, if you want those votes back, You better look at our policy sheet and adopt a few of them.
	They made the Tories have to pretend that little bit harder.
	Yeah, I think the problem with that is that, yeah, you can force them to adopt your policy proposals on paper, but you're still not going to force them to actually do it.
	Well, there was a referenda on Brexit.
	Well, that actually ended up mattering in the end.
	There was a vote.
	Outside of just having Brexit, all of the policy goals that were supposed to come from Brexit are completely betrayed.
	So, I also quite like this.
	Reform fighting as hard as they can for zero seats.
	I mean, they can both share that trophy.
	But I just don't understand why they flipped into being containment.
	Before they'd won any seats.
	You're not containing until you've got some measure of success.
	I think they want left-wing voters.
	The left-wing voters who are against men in women's bathrooms and are against all this culture war stuff.
	So we're now up to five main parties that are trying to win the votes of the lefties.
	Why not, as a radical suggestion?
	What about all the right-wingers?
	Which basically includes everyone who isn't a communist at this point.
	Now this is for disaffected lefties.
	These are for people who want to get back to the good old days of 2014, damn it.
	Can we float the idea that it might just be that as well as being evil and holding immense contempt for the British public, that we are governed by people who are of immensely less quality?
	They are all just actually dumber than our older leaders.
	We might be being led by a gaggle of stupid retards.
	Well something weird is going on because you think someone would just come along and say okay I'll have that massive tier of voters that isn't being serviced rather than them all fighting over the same Guardian reading BBC watching communists.
	Because that's their friends.
	Yeah, if you're an educated person, you're friends with other educated people who are really the guardian.
	Educated is a very, very generous term here.
	Well, I'm saying it in the literal sense.
	Yeah, and if you're not one of those people and you try and form a political party, you'll be arrested.
	Yes.
	As numerous characters, as Lawrence Fox has, as a whole bunch of characters, you know, if you try and organise and you're not one of those people, you know, in you go to jail.
	What this brought me to was the allegory of the cave, which I've stuck up on the screen here.
	So essentially this is a work by Plato where he's trying to, in his book Republic, he's trying to illustrate the effect of people being trapped within a thought system.
	And he describes it as a cave.
	So let me read from this because it'll probably do it better.
	Plato depicts a group of people who've been imprisoned in a cave since birth.
	These prisoners are chained in such a way as they can only see the walls of the cave in front of them, where shadows are cast by objects passing in front of a fire behind.
	The prisoners come to accept these shadows as the most real forms of existence.
	They are unaware of the world outside the cave.
	Plato then imagines what would happen if prisoners were released.
	At first, the free prisoners would be dazzled by the light and see only shadows, then reflections, and then finally see objects themselves.
	Upon seeing the sun, prisoners would realize that it is the source of life and the governance of all that is visible to the world.
	If the freed prisoners went back to the cave to inform the others of the true nature of reality, they would not be believed.
	The allegory suggests that the prisoners, if given the chance, would choose to kill anyone attempting to drag them out of the cave into seeing the light.
	This for me is Westminster politics.
	Westminster politics, in fact, our Greek philosopher on staff here, I mean he goes further and says it's all of society at this point, but I mean at least the mainstream media and Westminster politics is all shadow.
	It's just human nature, I think.
	If you read the ancient Greeks, they'd figured out most of what... How humans work.
	Yeah, dictating our modern lives.
	We're still humans, we're the same humans as we were back then.
	And what he's describing could be X, could be Twitter.
	I like how you formatted this text on the screen as if Plato were writing a Twitter thread about it.
	You'd be good at Twitter, wouldn't you?
	I would love to bring all of those old philosophers and see what they would be posting on Twitter these days.
	Oh yeah, that would be fun.
	This is why I've essentially sort of given up on Westminster politics, because I think it is in the cave watching the shadows.
	You need to get out of the cave.
	You need to get out into the light, and you need to start building something real.
	I'm not going to put any more energy into that system.
	I'm not going to go back into the cave and try and make my own shadows win, because I don't think that's going to work.
	And I was talking about this on Twitter over the weekend, and a lot of people, you know, they come out with a predictable, oh, you're a coward, you're not up for the fight, you know, we've got to fight on these terms, this is the system that we have.
	You are never going to be allowed to win the fight of the shadows.
	And you can fight, you can stand there shadowboxing, casting your shadows on the wall, but you're basically feeding energy into their system.
	If you're the masters of the cave, you want people in the cave, Doing your thing.
	Putting energy into your system.
	I think you've got to leave it and you've got to go and build something else.
	Now, people don't like that because they want to hear that there is a thing that they can do once every four years on a Thursday afternoon and you do the thing and then everything will get fixed.
	My voice has been heard!
	We are not voting our way out of this.
	It is not going to be that simple.
	We are not getting out of it by casting a vote.
	What we need to do is reject their system and we need to go and build something else.
	Now, what people are not going to like is that I can't tell you what that something else is going to be.
	I can give you an allegory though, if you like.
	Back in the end of the 14th century, the power structure was the feudal lord and the bishop.
	Because it was an agricultural and agrarian system that we had.
	And what people did is they started leaving that, going to the towns, and they formed guilds and other groupings that eventually became the new power structure.
	That became the power structure of the parliaments and, well, the parliament was in a way there, but it was the new sort of town-based power structure that overtook it.
	We've still got the feudal lord, and we've still got the bishops, But they don't really have any power.
	They just, you know, whatever they do, knocking around.
	We need to go out and build something else.
	And people aren't going to like that because it is not a quick and easy fix.
	I genuinely think... I've just given up on my spirit of politics.
	The worry that people have when you suggest things like that, and I can understand the hesitation, is that power is... I think one of the misconceptions of the era that you're talking about is that power, because of the fact that it wasn't a liberal democracy like we have now, which is of course, praise be unto liberal democracy, the greatest system that mankind ever concocted, so much more centralised.
	We are so much more centralized politically and technologically than we ever were before, where there is constant worries where if you're going to go and separate from the mainstream and create some kind of fringe product, some kind of fringe infrastructure, that you will immediately be infiltrated by Feds.
	This is the constant worry that goes on, and so I do believe that we have to do something outside of the system, but I can understand why people are worried about that.
	Yeah, if what you're building is something that plans to take any sort of direct action, and you're not a communist, then yes, you'll probably be arrested.
	So I don't know what that thing is going to be, but it needs to be essentially non-political, but some sort of organisational structure.
	There are thinkers working on this kind of stuff.
	I think we should all just form a snooker club.
	I mean it could be something of that lines, but a way that connects people.
	I think as well it needs to be something that focuses on not just purely being political.
	If you have people gathering constantly purely for the sake of politics that can be effective, but once again you've got to worry about infiltration.
	And two, people lose their lustre, especially in the centralised system that we've got right now, when it can be so hopeless.
	So you do need some kind of broader cultural activity to keep people coming back.
	Because it's not necessarily within politics that true bonds are formed, it's within friendships.
	And you need something to really spark those friendships.
	Yeah, absolutely right.
	I'm also going to throw up another image from that video that we showed earlier, which was quite fitting, the boiling pot.
	Was it one of your Lotus Eaters who came up with that?
	Sorry, just in case you don't have it already.
	They've reworked the Reform logo to say Conform.
	Oh yes, I've got that.
	Is that Callum?
	That feels like a Callum.
	Yeah, that's the sort of Callum would do.
	But essentially what we've got with our current system is they are going for the total system shutout.
	They're trying to contain everything.
	And the population aren't happy.
	They're basically duct taping down the lid on a boiling pot.
	Good luck to them.
	I don't see it as a boiling pot, to be honest with you.
	After reading the Popsulous Delusion, I think Dr. Parvini's ears were burning today because we've mentioned him a few times now.
	There is this idea that if regular people, if life gets hard enough for them, that something will happen.
	It doesn't really work like that.
	The pot never boils over, it just gets worse and worse and people just keep getting on with their lives.
	This is his analogy actually.
	He came up with the burning pot.
	The system does need legitimacy.
	Can you imagine if we had our Westminster elections and only a third of people bothered to turn up?
	Well then what?
	Well, then they would be lacking legitimacy to such an obvious degree that they would start to lose the will.
	They would look pathetic.
	I agree with you, but I think we're talking about just the competency, the intelligence of our ruling class.
	So much lower.
	If you're an intelligent, competent person, you've got these skills, you're hardworking, why would you go into politics?
	It's just precipitous decline in quality, which means if you're a talented, intelligent person, why would you want to enter the leagues of these Well, if you're a talented, intelligent person and a globalist, they will find you and install you.
	They will give you a safe seat and they'll push you through.
	If you are a talented, intelligent person who isn't a globalist, they will make sure that they shut you out of that system.
	Yeah, I think that's the boiling pot that, if you say that AA is the one who has been talking about this recently, That was in his video, yeah.
	And that you're talking about as well is related to that, which is that there are talented, intelligent, diligent, motivated people eager to make a change in the world, but they are being shut out.
	So it's not the general mass population that you've got to worry about forming some kind of counter-elite.
	It's all of these people who should, in a well-functioning system, be part of the system who have been shut out because of the fact that they actually want to make change, because they hold heterodox beliefs compared to what you're supposed to in the mainstream.
	And then you've also got the international situation to consider as well, which is one of the big worries that was going on with the Cold War.
	One of the things that happened in the Cold War was a lot of the social changes that happened in the U.S., was due to the fact that the elites were embarrassed by the Soviets constantly saying, well, you guys say that you're bastions of freedom and human rights, then why have you got segregation?
	Why have you got this?
	Why have you got that?
	That kind of international embarrassment can be a big motivator.
	And then there's one of the shutting out of counter elites.
	Well, what could be elites.
	It's one of the reasons that AA, for instance, talks about the rise of Elon Musk.
	and other elites within the U.S.
	sphere is because they've been, to a certain extent, they were shielded out of power when they should have had positions of power.
	Even though I think the argument there with Elon Musk is somewhat flimsy because of the fact he is actually already embedded with the U.S.
	government because of all of his defense contracts, SpaceX and such.
	A number of those guys are embedded in a way that makes the system kind of need them.
	Yeah, dependent on them, so they've got leverage.
	So you block out people who are hyper-intelligent, hyper-competent, have lots and lots and lots of money.
	It's the similar thing with AIPAC, where they can just fund your enemies.
	If you're not working for them anymore, they'll just fund your enemies.
	The way it works in America, certainly it seems that the more money you have backing your campaign, the more likely you are to win an election.
	So America feels a little bit different.
	I mean, they definitely have the Uniparty over there, but it feels like they made a mistake because they wanted Trump because they thought that Hillary would beat him easily.
	So they actually wanted Trump to be the candidate for the Republicans back in, whatever it was, 2016.
	But they just didn't realize how out of touch they were when he actually won.
	But then, of course, they made sure that he didn't win a second time.
	But, you know, at this point, it's now looking like they may not be able to cheat enough in order to get over the bar.
	So maybe America is a little bit different, but we do have complete system dominance.
	here in the UK.
	But the loss of legitimacy that's brought about by, say, only having one third of the vote, maybe only one third of the people show up to the elections anyway, so you have even smaller fraction getting the majority of that.
	Well, that's signalling to your counter-elites is that there's room.
	Yes, exactly.
	And that's what reform was supposed to be.
	Reform was supposed to be the people that come in and take those disenfranchised voters and crowd out the Tories and Labour by saying, listen, we'll give the people what they want.
	But they've turned out to be another... So Dominic Cummings, the guy who masterminded the Brexit vote, he was very clear about this.
	He was not trying to flip voters.
	He was trying to get people who didn't vote to vote for him.
	So that's why places like Claxton, that we talked about last week, were so key.
	Because it was a high proportion of people who didn't vote.
	They were there.
	It was pregnant energy waiting to be tapped.
	And he sort of came along and took it.
	And instead, Tice is doing this thing where he's fighting over Guardian voters.
	And it's the same thing that got George Galloway in.
	It's the fact that just Tory voters didn't show up.
	Yeah.
	And he got, what, 12,000 votes overall in the last election?
	The Tory candidate alone got 24,000.
	So, all of that.
	Now, what I found absolutely fascinating on Sunday night... Oh, we've got the giga-brain take right here!
	Just for those who are listening, I'll read it out.
	So, Tice puts this out.
	So Reform Party and I seem to be attacked by some lovely folk on both the left and the right.
	Your own candidates!
	Presumably that means we're talking common sense and somewhere in the middle.
	So he breaks out the BBC defence that we're being attacked by the left and the right.
	Right, so I know that this is like a leftist meme, but it's actually one of the more effective ones that they've ever put out.
	Which is, on one side, there is the KKK saying, kill all black people.
	On the other side, there are people saying, let's not do that.
	And then there's the giga brain centrist in the middle going, now come on guys, maybe we can find some common ground here.
	I mean, that's the whole thing.
	You're betraying your own voters.
	You're betraying your own candidates.
	Where do you even begin with this?
	So first of all, he says he's attacked by some lovely folk, which is code for, you know, awful people.
	You know, it's just the polite upper middle class way of saying scumbags.
	But he's talking about, so on the left, we're talking about literal communists.
	And on the right he's talking about his own voters.
	Callum pointed to the Hope Not Hate members where one of them was a former member of the National Front who now is a prominent member of the Communist Party who works for Hope Not Hate.
	So you know when someone makes that big a shift that you're talking about a reasonable and sensible person.
	So that's the lovely folk on the left that you're kowtowing to.
	And on the right it's just your own candidates!
	Yes, and people who actually believe in your manifesto.
	In fact, there's Callum's response below.
	You were attacked from the right for allowing yourself to be bullied by communists.
	You were attacked from the left for breathing.
	That's the Sun Tzu's art of war, depict your enemy as a soy jack.
	See, you are the soy and I am the chad.
	Now, as Patrick Bateman likes to say, yes, yes, but let's look at the quote tweets.
	So... Come on, Dan, you are Dan!
	Oh, Callum again, refuses to defend his own candidate for promoting his own policy.
	Everyone thinks hating is a good thing.
	Um, my comment was that, you know, when the current Westminster Overton window is, is, um, as hated as it is, it's a mistake to try and insert yourself into it.
	You know, there's people are desperately unhappy with the paradigm.
	Lee Anderson defending this?
	Oh, the same people who call Brexiteers thicc are at it again?
	What does that have to do with the statement?
	But that, yeah, he's wildly off base there.
	I mean, is he, is he just so boomer that he... Yes.
	I think what we're contending a lot with here is just boomer dull-headedness.
	And this isn't to say, I know we've got boomers in the audience.
	The boomer mindset is something that transcends actual generations.
	It's something, it's like a virus that can be carried from one generation to another.
	It's just particularly prevalent in the boomers.
	Yeah.
	Can I tell you how I visualise this?
	I think boomers, they are allergic to being called racist.
	It's like, you know, I think Aura McIntyre described how people are calling you racist.
	I know you want to get upset because we're all taught it's the worst thing you can be.
	What you want to do is say, no, no, no, stop.
	Don't call me that.
	Let me tell you why.
	But what you have to do is just step over it.
	Just ignore it.
	It's a code word for just Satan for most of these people.
	And when you look back at all of the propaganda that these people have been fed in their education, in the books that they read, in the television shows.
	Also for boomers, the TV is a primary sense organ.
	Yes, that's one of your best quotes, I agree.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Everything, all of the feedback mechanisms they've had their entire life is saying, you can be anything you want, but don't you dare be racist.
	Yes.
	And they still get it today with bloody Peaky Blinders.
	You can be a Brummie murderer, but at least I'm not bloody racist.
	Yes, now before any boomers watching this video engage the caps lock and start, you know, I want to be clear.
	Yes, there are base boomers.
	We're not calling out all of you, just obviously most of you.
	It's the boomer mindset.
	There's a lot of millennials and zoomers who also have inherited boomerism.
	Oh, yeah, and the boomers truth regime was begun by the silent generation and those before them.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Anyway, enough defending boomers, because they deserve worse.
	The rat just goes in with zero seats.
	We're skim past that one, because I might come back to it.
	Who is it?
	So, there's always some good ones here.
	I do not think two lefty shits are a Marxist organisation and a low-grade bank clerk.
	Oh yeah, so, yeah.
	Oh, Morgoth is quite good on this.
	When your enemies are landing, body blows on you and your friends have abandoned you, you're winning.
	Reform UK.
	Yes.
	Anyway, if you want to go through them, the quote tweets on here are absolutely golden.
	Yeah, so that's the Conform UK.
	Oh, that's good, yeah.
	That you highlighted.
	Yeah, I just saw the logo.
	This is enhanced even further.
	Yes.
	Well, there you go.
	For anybody who wants it, it does have John's watermark in it, I've just noticed.
	But you can feel free to use that.
	It deserves it.
	Yeah, it's a good one.
	And John probably also did this one.
	Am I out of the church?
	No, it's my voting base is wrong.
	I mean, this is...
	They're not really your voting base.
	Not anymore.
	Not now you've done the reverse Maloney.
	Up to this point, and I'd heard about your experience with Reform, I thought that maybe they could change.
	It's in their name, Reform, right?
	I thought before this stuff with Beau, I actually got in touch with my local candidate who's standing for reform.
	Because I thought, it was a point where I thought they might not have candidates for all the seats and I might have to stand.
	That would be just really embarrassing at work.
	You know, I didn't want to have to do it, but it was like part of me that thought I might have to.
	So I was really relieved when I found out there's someone standing in my seat.
	And I just emailed this guy going like, you know, I'm a former Tory voter.
	Like, I'm behind you.
	Just let him know that I exist.
	And I...
	It's a massive pain being a candidate.
	I think we should also highlight something else to be in the interest of fairness here, and it's something that Bo said on Friday as well, which is Bo spoke about how the actual inner members of the party, all the people that he interacted with, all of the other candidates, were all lovely people and dedicated and genuinely wanted to see change in the country.
	It's the leadership.
	Which is going wrong here.
	Is there any chance, maybe I'm just so optimistic, but is there a chance if we quote-tweet Richard Heiss enough, will he see the light?
	Will he get a backbone?
	If we drag him in the quotes enough...
	I think it's possible.
	You know, if we can't do this, I don't think we can do anything.
	So that comes back to my point about the cave.
	Maybe then he'll listen.
	I think that's back in the cave shadowboxing.
	I mean, I think it's fun.
	It amuses me to do that, but I don't think it's actually going to move anything.
	But we can keep trying, dammit!
	Well, we can have fun with it.
	I'm not saying don't go into the cave and shadow box, but just do it aware that it is not real.
	There's nothing behind that.
	You are not going to get to a system where you vote hard enough or quote tweet hard enough that you get a set of people in Westminster who are going to do something about it.
	If that was the case, why hasn't it happened Anywhere else?
	Why are we getting Maloney and all the rest of him?
	And I suppose, potentially, that guy in Argentina... Millet?
	Yes.
	Potentially, he's making some progress.
	The interesting thing is... They've been collapsing for 30 years.
	Well, yeah.
	You can vote somebody in who can make a difference, but you basically have to do it in a third world shithole.
	To do it.
	That's what El Salvador did.
	El Salvador voted in a guy who actually fixed things.
	So Britain in 15 years time then?
	In the Islamic Caliphate of Britain.
	Britanistan.
	Hopefully, maybe then, we can vote somebody in who will actually make a difference.
	But, no, until then the system hasn't... Well, when people have completely given up on this, when they're no longer... Because, I mean, even now I'm seeing people who are like, oh yeah, but you don't want Labour to get in.
	It's like, well... They're the exact same party.
	Yes.
	That's fine.
	What are they going to do, bring in 1.5 million people a year?
	I think I was saying, Dan, that the Conservatives, just right-wing people in general, they're less emotionally driven, a little bit more practical than typical lefty voters, like Labour voters.
	They'll say things like, I vote Labour, my parents voted Labour, I'm going to vote Labour my whole life.
	In America you've got vote blue no matter who.
	I think the Tories have that as well.
	I really think that if they think there's a chance of Labour getting in, they will just, at the last minute, they'll cave.
	They'll go, OK, just give me the antidote.
	Yeah, that's a good point, actually.
	That's one of the things I meant to say about reform.
	Does Tyson not understand that the moment we start getting close to the election, a lot of people are going to go, because they do it every time, they're going to go back to that, oh what if Labour get in and they start peeling back to the Tories?
	It will happen.
	But GB News, they will go back to the Tories.
	They are the Tories in the world.
	All of those funny little radio stations that try to turn themselves into TV stations, the one with what are supposed to be, you know, based fat women who say stuff, you know, they're all going to go back to the toys as well.
	What are you watching?
	Oh, I've forgotten the names now, but there's a whole bunch.
	You're talking about LBC, are you?
	Stuff like that.
	LVC are always Labour.
	No, there's other ones.
	I can't remember the names.
	There's other ones.
	Whatever.
	The point is, they're all going to start peeling back to the Tories.
	The only people that Conform really had was the proper alt-media and the people who had given up on this system.
	And he's just pissed us all away now.
	Zero seats!
	Zero seats!
	I'll be interested to see who does vote for them, actually.
	I think that lockdown's really... like, a lot of people were genuinely very upset about it, and I hope that we don't forget.
	Like, whether it's left or right, I really don't care.
	Other policies, we can argue about that.
	But everyone had to live through that.
	Everyone was affected by lockdown, and I have to believe that they weren't all, you know, secret starzy, like...
	You know, mask policers.
	I know a lot of people were just rolling their eyes about the whole mask stuff.
	I'm not going to go into details because I know this might go on YouTube.
	I think there might be a lot of people who vote reform if they push hard on this anti-lockdown stuff.
	I know the lockdowns aren't happening now, but none of the other parties are apologising for it or saying it was a mistake.
	Reform are only doing that.
	They might capture votes that way.
	And with the trans stuff and the NHS.
	Like I said, they've got a lot of policies that aren't really left or right coded.
	I think they actually do have a strategy there where they're capturing the exasperated vote.
	Yeah, but you are going to need to do something about immigration.
	I mean, that's one of their big policies.
	But they obviously don't care about the anti-immigration vote.
	They don't actually care that much about the Brexit vote.
	Also, again, with everything that you've brought up there, I can't be certain after they've shown such a lack of backbone in these situations that they go, we'll right the wrongs of lockdown and then they'll get into power and go, maybe just another two weeks, guys.
	I hear that there's some bad sniffles going around.
	All you need to know is that they won't stand up to Nick Lowes, who's a literal communist.
	Yes.
	No, I'm not saying vote for them.
	I'm not saying they're actually going to do any of this.
	I'm just curious to see how many people vote for them.
	I'd be curious as to why they're voting for them as well.
	Disaffected boomers, I would imagine.
	Are we going to speedrun your segment, Harry?
	No, we've got 15 minutes.
	Let's give them over to the comments now.
	And I just want to end that with a nice zero seats, gentlemen.
	- Yes. - We're not doing the... - Oh yes. - Mm-hmm. - Zero seats. Mm-hmm. Zero seats. Mm-hmm. Zero seats. - Okay, there we go.
	I actually enjoyed that.
	Well, that'll be in AA's next video, I'm sure.
	Alright, let's go on to the video comments.
	I have just come across a tweet from seven years ago of a photo of Gert Builders at a Twinks for Trump rally.
	Yes, that is a real group.
	Please look it up in your own time.
	It's It's absolutely surreal, and you have to see it to believe it.
	I'm not surprised, to be perfectly honest.
	I also saw something that, you know, Raw Egg Nationalist?
	Oh, yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He posted, he quote tweeted something saying like, oh, we're in it now, boys.
	And it was some goth girl saying like, goths for Trump 2024.
	And then you click on her profile.
	It's like, oh, she's an OnlyFans girl.
	So now you've got goth thoughts for Trump as well.
	Trump is uniting all of these disparate, in fact, Twinks for Trump.
	Can we get trad wives for Trump?
	Alongside the goth thots for Trump?
	Yeah, I mean, look, that's what we're talking about, right?
	I suppose there tends to be an overlap.
	Strange bedfellows.
	The goth thots do eventually transition into being the trad wives, in some cases, from what I've seen.
	So maybe, maybe.
	All right, let's go to the next one.
	How about the Resident Evil 5 thing?
	I remember back in 2009 when this happened the first time.
	Hey, you know, Halo 3 just come out, the orange box, life was good.
	And then a bunch of weirdos started talking about how Resident Evil 5 was the end of all things.
	At the time, it seemed like a strange little anomaly, but it's clear now it was just the first warning tremor of the big one to come.
	It's also indicative of the age of profound stagnation we find ourselves in.
	15 years on, and the same stupid games are coming out.
	We're having the same stupid conversations, almost verbatim.
	how little we knew yeah I remember that I watched a segment with Luke when he came on.
	I wasn't on that one.
	I felt like I was getting deja vu.
	We had this exact conversation about the enemies in Resident Evil.
	Years ago.
	Resident Evil 5, yeah.
	And I remember coming out when I was 12 as well, and it was ridiculous to see IGN go with the exact same argument.
	And I just want to make this clear as well, right?
	Resident Evil 5, no matter what you think of the choice of colour of the enemies, does not need a remake.
	Anyway, it still looks great, and it still plays great, and Resident Evil 4 was not improved in any way by making the visuals murkier.
	Giving Leon motion sway and making him lethargic when he runs and adding motion sway into the aiming and giving him a parry mechanic.
	The game was perfect.
	Leave them alone.
	Capcom, make Resident Evil 9 or something.
	Leave it alone.
	I miss that game.
	I completely agree.
	Thank you.
	Next.
	Too cynical.
	Too cynical.
	Don't agree with that, Craig.
	Carl, here's my response.
	Oof!
	The challenge has been laid down.
	How will Carl respond?
	We shall see.
	Ask Callum, are you just in cahoots with Callum?
	Callum's always the one bigging you up, throwing your name into random segments.
	What's going on here?
	Something behind that.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Just noticing the media complaining about the torture of the Moscow terror suspects, and need to point out that these are the same people that defended the scalping of that autistic white kid in Chicago.
	Always remember, when they talk about human rights, it's always predicated on the idea that it's going to protect diverse violent criminals.
	If these were white kids, they would advocate the most horrendous treatment possible, as we've seen on many Twitter videos.
	Like that one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, very good.
	Next.
	And if you don't have the good fortune to be true born or English or a man or a woman, Then I hope you will join in as a mark of ordinary, decent respect.
	Bo's ribbing of the Scottish is part of a long tradition, and one to which I recommend are the Song of Patriotic Prejudice by Flanders and Swan, who variously round on the Scotch, the Irish, the Welsh, and much of Europe.
	Their refrain at the chorus should be England's national anthem.
	The English, the English, the English are best!
	I wouldn't give doublets for all the rest!
	I agree with that one as well.
	Yeah, we can't get away with that.
	Thinking well of our own people anymore.
	That doesn't go down well.
	Well, I mean, 2009 it was determined there is no indigenous British and that was a parliamentary vote.
	So, you know, we know they've got our best interests in mind.
	Right, right.
	Let's see what the Californian has to say.
	Can we go, sorry, at that time, we were talking... Could you pause that, Jack?
	I've derailed the conversation.
	What have you done?
	That's why we don't have women on very often.
	Before we went live, we were talking about Top Gear and the nature of the male friendship of, you know, you give it out and you can take it.
	And I think that it happens on a national scale as well, especially with our brothers, the Scottish and the Welsh and the Irish, that there is a sense of, you know, we're all giving it out and we can all take it.
	And it's almost like a mark of respect for But then Teacher came running along and said, you children aren't allowed to fight amongst yourselves and basically put an end to that sort of stuff.
	I think it's one of the good things about Western Civilization, which is historically, for a very long time, we all had pretty thick skin about this whole thing.
	We were able to just have a good laugh at one another.
	Even if you've just been at war with a nation state opposed to you next door, you can still have a laugh about it.
	There was a time when we had real problems that weren't caused by the government.
	So you sort of got on with it as today all our problems are we're being taxed to death and you know we can't get a home and all the rest of it.
	And they're trying to slowly genocide us, yes.
	I just think, if you imagine England and Ireland and Scotland and Wales as sort of anthropomorphised blokes having a laugh with each other, you wouldn't really make fun of your friend if he genuinely was very pathetic.
	That's bullying.
	When you bully someone who's much, much lower than you on the social hierarchy.
	Exactly, we never take the piss out of Belgium, do we?
	To bring it to the Top Gear analogy, because like you said, we were talking about it before, it's like whenever Richard Hammond or James May, because it's never Clarkson for some reason, he's got away scot-free with most of it, but whenever they get into some terrible accident when they're gallivanting around some foreign country somewhere, Things get very serious for a moment and they stop the jokes because they actually care about one another.
	James May smashed his head into a brick wall and might die.
	Okay, maybe now we should be a bit more sensitive about this.
	But when he's in top condition, then yeah, do whatever.
	He's fine with it.
	He can take it.
	I'm just saying, if you tell English people, please stop bullying Scotland, they can't take it.
	They are genuinely... That's what I'm saying.
	It's a mark of respect to say bad things about our fellow... It doesn't matter how gay all Scottish people are and how they love wearing skirts because it's a country of trannies.
	It doesn't matter, we know they can take it.
	We've all been longhoused.
	Let's see what Mr California has to say.
	You know, I really wanted to start this week off with something funny and light-hearted.
	Unfortunately, though, I have to bring you California news instead.
	In Huesco, California, a person unfortunately lost their lives in a train accident, and there were body parts.
	And there was a crazy person who decided to pick up one of the legs and proceed to stand on the street eating the leg, smiling like a gremlin.
	Yeah, I saw that video.
	It wasn't very nice.
	Yes.
	What to say?
	I mean, it doesn't even look Haitian.
	What will solve this is an airdrop of clean needles.
	Yes, more leftist policy.
	Right, let's go to the written comments.
	Yeah, just to say as well, my segment on Candice I guess will be on Friday, maybe next time I'm on podcast.
	We'll be coming back very soon, when we haven't got a fake Tory party to put out of its misery.
	Theodore Brewer says, Poe the Person is one of the best YouTubers in her field.
	When is Woman's Hour coming back?
	It's back!
	Whammin' Hour is on Birdie's channel and I can't verbally give you a URL but I believe if you search Whammin' Hour number 101 you'll find the last episode that we filmed went live on Friday so please search for that.
	That comment's a bit spicy, do you want to take it Harry?
	Oh, Paul Whiston says, what's Harry's opinion on the imprisonment of American Japanese during World War II?
	Now I've not read up that much on this whole thing, I know that they were put into internment camps.
	As insensitive as it may sound, when you are at war with a separate country, It does make a little bit of sense if certain citizens in your own country may have dual loyalty to make sure that they're not in a position to launch counter-attacks from within your own nation.
	That's the sad reality.
	But what's the point of having a nation in citizenship if you can't trust the people in it who you've given citizenship to?
	That's a good question.
	Maybe you shouldn't give citizenship to people unless you're willing to just say no once you're in, you're in.
	Well, that's a good point.
	I mean, I would suggest that if you were to do such a thing, then you would basically have to make them denounce their former country, their native country, but I would feel cruel doing such a thing.
	But yeah, in the situation, and I...
	have my own issues with a lot of World War II and the way that America entered the war, particularly their conflict with Japan.
	But if you are at war with somebody and their citizens are in your country, their ethnicity is in your country, and there's a threat there, which there must be inherently, then yeah, you do have to take those kinds of measures, sadly.
	Yes.
	Peter, no, no.
	It is Peter, but spelt the European way.
	Harvey says, if you are willingly taking the life of an innocent person, an act of terrorism, deny that person the right to live.
	Thus you should, if proven guilty, lose your human rights.
	Yeah, so the Russian take on this is they have a legal system and a whole process.
	But if you are a terrorist, you just drop outside of that entirely.
	Then none of that applies to you.
	Which is kind of based, I think.
	If we ever see these guys on camera again, that would be quite a good advert to not committing terrorism in Moscow.
	Whereas around here we'd be organising the concert.
	Let me see, what else?
	Oh yeah, Brian Tomlinson says, Islamic terrorists don't believe the 72 virgin fallacy since an Islamic accountant worked out that 2 billion martyrs would require 144 billion virgins.
	Under the light of Allah, all is possible.
	Is probably how they think about it.
	I've got this theory about terrorists and all other forms of people who recruit young men to do really stupid, reckless things.
	I was talking in the car about this to my husband and he said that if left to their own devices with no authority involved, young men will just do extremely reckless things.
	They'll hurt each other and hurt themselves.
	I think, yeah, it's basically if you can make an argument that you've got a just cause and say to young men who've got nothing better to do, like, come fight in this and you'll be a hero.
	Like, forget the virgins and the death or whatever.
	If you've got a religion behind it, all the better.
	But I think you could, yeah, they're an Islamic state, but they could be Yeah, they could be Buddhist.
	Also, does the Qur'an specifically say that they are female virgins?
	Could it just be the lads from the IT department that you end up... Or is it possible that they all start in a room, 73 of them, and they're just all looking at each other and then they realize what the 72 virgins are?
	I mean, maybe that's how you get around the mathematics of it.
	I don't know.
	There must be a way around this.
	Kevin Fox says, smacks of the Ukrainian version of all those guys in khaki pants and blue jackets who keep parading the US.
	I'll start by checking Ukraine or Russian or Feds.
	Well, they are Ukrainian soldiers.
	A number of them have been identified as Ukrainian soldiers.
	So the only question, well you got it right Poe, which is how far up the Ukrainian command structure does it go?
	Was it just a couple of guys peeled off to do this?
	Every organisational structure has corruption and has independent actors.
	It necessitates people working autonomously.
	It's not all directly commanded from Zelensky.
	Now, let's have a look.
	Tim Charter says, I too am a selected candidate for reform.
	For what it's worth, I won't be betraying any principles.
	Also, as sad as I am to make this point, is boycotting reform really so important to you that you would guarantee a full occupancy Labour government?
	No, so what is important to me is a genuine right-wing party.
	The Tories must be destroyed and Reform are, I think they're just Tories later, I think they're containment.
	So I would rather put up with an awful Labour government if it created the space for a genuine right-wing party to emerge and Reform is not a genuine right-wing party, I'm afraid.
	One of the arguments that I've seen bandied about, about the potential upsides, not that I think there would be many, of a full Labour government with barely any opposition, would be that they could no longer blame all of their massive efforts that would inevitably come on the opposition, because that's what all governments in a parliamentary system do.
	They stand up and they say, we would love to have fixed the country, but it's because of them They made it so, but then they stand up and they go, we would love to fix the country but it's because of, and then they look around and it's only their own party members and they go, oh I guess it must have been us then.
	Yeah, just call them out for the uniparty where they are.
	It'll be five years, or ten years, of Labour.
	I think you just have to keep reminding yourself, they say the Conservatives are Labour with the brakes on.
	Stop telling yourself that.
	Conservatives are Labour.
	It's not actually better.
	Just keep reminding yourself they are the same people, they believe the same things.
	The idea that the brakes are on, I think, is a complete delusion.
	Yeah.
	Oh, they went so much further than Blair.
	So much further on everything.
	Bleach Demon says, Reform Booting Bow is the prime example of why they aren't a serious party and deserves to be leaped upon the ashes of English politics.
	They would rather submissively wet themselves than seize victory.
	Yeah, it's just an essential point.
	If they can't stand up to communists, how are they going to stand up to judges and civil servants and all the rest of it?
	Thomas Howe says, maybe the other founding members of Hate Not Hope, the one who was an ex-member of National Front that convinced Richard Tice.
	Yeah, possibly.
	Oh, the other thing that was quite good about that video that AA put up that I played a little bit of, is I didn't know that the UK government was giving Hate Not Hope hundreds of thousands of pounds a year.
	Yeah, they do that.
	Any you want to pick out?
	Harry, you've even got some comments.
	Yeah, some people sadly left comments under my non-existent segment today.
	Alexander Dake said, Christ is King, you will soon be put on an ADL watchlist, just to warn you for putting that one out.
	But other than that, I think, any other ones that you want to do?
	Or are we done here?
	Could I be so bold?
	Oh yes.
	Because everyone was really happy with the drawings I did of you guys.
	Oh yes, oh yes.
	I'm really happy with it.
	It's pride of place on my desk now.
	I thought it was going to be on the screen when you were introducing me as a guest, but I guess it's too late to put it on the screen now.
	Oh, you should have brought me, you should have brought me.
	Oh, bloody hell.
	Go to her on Twitter, in addition to having a YouTube channel.
	Don't worry about Twitter, send the link to Jack very quickly, it's not that hard.
	I have, just listen to me describe it.
	Oh wait, wait, Dan.
	Harry, stop talking!
	I have comics, and I have pictures of all the Lotus Eaters, except for Stelios, who I'm sad to have to leave out.
	Why was it you left him out then?
	Yeah, you went too far.
	But yeah, you can see, just scrolling past the screen, you can see... I don't think it's up on the screen.
	I don't think they can see it.
	Yeah, you've gone way too far.
	Way, way, way too far.
	Oh, posts.
	Pinned.
	Wait.
	Media.
	Go on media.
	Go on media chat.
	Yeah, go on.
	Oh, you're not locked in!
	That might be why.
	Poe, we've got seconds left.
	Do the pitch about you could be hired as a story person.
	Oh, I do commissions.
	DM me on Twitter.
	Yes, there we go.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Sorry, I had to shut him up so that you could get to that bit.
	I was trying to help Jack get it up on screen, but I guess not.
	Yeah, so none of us are able to get it up at this point.
	Well, speak for yourself there, chap.
	But you can find Po at PoThePerson on Twitter and on your YouTube channel that we showed to begin with.
	Thank you very much for what has definitely not been a cluster F of ending to this podcast.
	You can blame Dan on that one.
	Blame me, please.
	Dan's boomed it, as usual.
	I didn't know I was going to have to do computer stuff.
	Shut up now, Dan.
	The grown-ups are talking.
	Thank you very much for watching this episode of the podcast, The Lotus Seas.
	Thank you again, Po, for turning up.
	It's been a delight.
	And we'll be back again tomorrow.

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