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March 11, 2024 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #868

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Loadseaters, and today I am joined by Carl.
	Just today, just a random day.
	Yep, and Esther!
	Hi.
	So today we're going to be talking about illegals built America, average day in Haiti, which is going well, and the war against terror is a war of attrition, which we were just discussing how do we make this fun.
	Yeah, they all sound really depressing!
	I believe the Haiti one will be fun.
	I mean, that is just a comical place.
	Okay.
	Unless you live there.
	Exactly, yeah, well life is not so comical.
	I don't, so.
	We'll get into it later, but the Dominican Republic right next door, the level of hatred they have for Haitians.
	Oh, there.
	So they're sort of looking at all this being like, ha ha ha ha ha.
	I bet they have an actively militarized border.
	Yeah.
	Exploding plantain trees, just lying there crying.
	They look innocent and then you touch it and it explodes.
	Yeah, the Hunger Games out there.
	Exactly.
	But anyway, let's get into the news, shall we?
	Yeah, why not?
	So weirdly, Joe Biden decided to take to the airwaves to tell Americans they were smelly and ungrateful, useless, potentially murderous, and definitely the inferiors of the godly and saintly and perfect immigrants who illegally break into their country by crossing the border despite Well, I mean there were active attempts to stop them, there aren't anymore.
	And I just find this remarkable.
	I just find this absolutely remarkable that the President of the United States can essentially tell Americans that they're all just bad people and they need to accept their new immigrant overlords.
	It doesn't surprise me though, it's the kind of thing that I expect from Joe Biden to like just open his mouth and nothing coherent comes up but he thinks he's doing a good job.
	Well actually the problem was that something coherent did come out of his mouth, it kind of slipped out in a moment of weakness and everyone reacted really badly to it.
	So let's begin with the murder of Lakin Riley.
	Now Lakin Riley, as Wikipedia tells us, was just an average 22 year old American nursing student at a university in Athens, Georgia.
	and one day she was killed by someone and this person has been identified he's been charged he hasn't been convicted yet but Jose Antonio Ibarra average Yeah, 26 year old Venezuelan who had committed a crime by entering the US illegally, was arrested and charged and he had been arrested previously.
	He had had multiple arrests against his name.
	He had a bench warrant for failing to appear in court after a shoplifting case.
	He was arrested for endangering the welfare of a child.
	He was caught riding a moped with an underage child on the back.
	I mean, just like many questions are raised by this.
	No answers are given.
	We've seen yet.
	And the thing is, he's literally a part of the Deliveroo economy.
	He works for Doobreats and DoorDash in a local restaurant in New York City.
	As anyone who deserves a criminal investigation for their employers.
	Yeah, and so it looks like he's the murderer.
	And it was just apparently a crime of opportunity.
	For some reason, he saw her out jogging and decided he would murder her.
	It's like, right.
	Okay, that's pretty terrible.
	And this came up when Biden gave his State of the Union address, which, uh, did you watch at all?
	I saw highlights.
	Yeah, it was painful.
	The thing is, he always looks like he needs glasses.
	He squints a lot when he's giving a speech because you can tell he's concentrating so much.
	He's using all three brain cells that are left, so he's like... And it was quite painful, so I was like, you know, I'll just read the transcript.
	What was interesting is the energy levels he displays.
	So at the beginning of the speech, he's very energetic in telling his opponents that they're the source of all evil and the source of division because they won't agree with him that they are the source of all evil and he's the source of all good.
	And then he starts getting tired towards the end of the speech, so Trump tweeted, truth socialed out, the drugs are wearing off, and it was mildly amusing.
	Which is probably true.
	But obviously true, yeah, that's the thing.
	But the point is, Biden's State of the Union speech is just, my opponents are irredeemably evil, and they won't agree with me that they are the source of all evil in the world, and therefore they are divisive and bad.
	It's like, okay, why is anyone listening to this?
	Why does this exist?
	But about halfway through, Marjorie Taylor Greene started to heckle Joe Biden.
	She yelled, what about Lake and Riley?
	Say her name.
	Biden then held up one of the buttons Greene had been handing out, bearing Riley's name, and said, Lincoln Riley, so he got the name wrong, an innocent young woman who was killed, by an illegal, Greene responded, and Biden replied, by an illegal, that's right.
	So he acknowledges it?
	He acknowledges it.
	And he used the word illegal, meaning illegal alien.
	Then he proceeded to ask, but how many thousands of people are being killed by legals?
	Why not just up the numbers?
	Illegals may kill X number of people, but many more people are killed by legal people.
	Yeah, so why not import more problems?
	Well, that's the point, isn't it?
	Where are the good people in America, actually?
	Well, it's the illegals, because they kill fewer people than the legals, you see.
	The legal people are the problem in America, which is literally his first response.
	Which is probably the legitimate response, and the response he meant to give.
	Yeah, I mean, like, I just... Okay, so, uh, illegal's good, even if they murder people, because legal's bad, because they murder more people.
	Do they, though?
	Per capita?
	Or is this one of those meme moments?
	Well, the thing is, you probably wouldn't know it, actually.
	I'm surprised they got the name of this person, because, assuming he's just illegal, he's probably unvetted.
	It's probably not his real name.
	Uh, quite possibly.
	Who knows?
	Uh, we don't know anything about him.
	We don't know why he was driving around with a child on the back of his bike.
	We don't know why he's there and he shouldn't be there.
	But, um, but anyway, is he really the problem when Americans are murderous barbarians who just can't do anything for themselves and they need these illegal delivery drivers to tangibly improve the quality of their country?
	It really makes me sad to say this, but I can actually see the US becoming a completely failed state in the next five years.
	I mean, I don't think... I can see parts of it becoming a failed state.
	Well, because the thing is, during Biden's presidency, I believe it's 7 million illegal people have crossed... No, it's more than that.
	We'll get to it.
	It's a failed state!
	Is it even a state at all?
	Well, with no borders, you could argue no.
	That's the point.
	And so this off-the-cuff comment from Joe Biden, yes, he was an illegal immigrant, because technically that's what he is, drew immediate progressive backlash from Democrats and immigration advocates.
	I mean, for example, one Texas representative, Joaquin Castro.
	Okay.
	I'm feeling a bit of ethnic solidarity here.
	Is he Cuban?
	Well, that's the point, isn't it?
	Jose Antonio Ibarra was defended by Joaquin Castro.
	Poetic.
	Yeah, really.
	Okay, that's very interesting.
	What's the defense?
	There was a lot of good in President Biden's speech tonight, but his rhetoric about immigrants was incendiary and wrong.
	Illegal immigrants who murder are bad?
	Oh, no, no, no.
	They're just as average as the average American.
	Joe Biden actually said they were better than the average American.
	Right.
	You know what pisses people off?
	It's the complete disregard for life.
	Like, imagine if that young lady that was killed was their daughter or relative.
	It's just, they have no regard for people being killed.
	Family destroyed.
	Absolutely terrible.
	They don't care about it.
	What I find strange is there are no consequences for effectively dereliction of duty.
	Is these people's responsibility to protect the border?
	There's nothing I can say to it.
	You're just completely correct.
	There are no consequences to this.
	Nothing will happen to Joe Biden's political career.
	The cream of the crop.
	I mean, what about the rest of his administration that are allowing this?
	They'll fail upwards, as they always do.
	And so there was obviously a huge amount of just left-wing posting like this.
	Killed by an illegal is amongst the most vile statements I've ever heard in mainstream politics.
	This is really blowing up amongst the racist loser community.
	So to them, I'd like to say you're all racist losers.
	Would you say that to the family?
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Of course not, Jessie.
	But the point is, he is actually kind of right in this.
	Killed by an illegal is actually among the most vile statements you could ever articulate.
	Because actually, borders are not that difficult to secure.
	Yeah.
	It just requires will.
	And so it should be that there is never a need to say killed by an illegal.
	The logic against securing your borders, which I can't even believe I have to say this, is so baffling to me.
	These people live in houses with doors.
	You're allowed to regulate who comes in and out of your space, but you think a country of 300 plus million people, they don't have the right to do that.
	That's what I find so bizarre.
	Everywhere around you, there are borders.
	Borders are a good thing, actually.
	Borders are what make things desirable, as the Dominican Republic knows.
	But the thing is, I think the problem is, that kind of presupposes that there's a group of people called the Americans who possess a particular spot of land called the United States, and that's what these people are against.
	They want everyone to be able to live in the United States, no matter how bad it gets.
	I think it's actually more cynical than that.
	They want a surplus of Deliveroo drivers so that they can maintain their luxury middle class lifestyles.
	I don't think they're sophisticated enough to actually want to destroy the very basis of American society.
	I think they just want cheap labour.
	That's probably true.
	And they don't care which lower class people they condemn by getting it.
	That's probably true.
	But anyway, so Joe Biden was asked about this by MSNBC, and he decided, you know what?
	I was wrong.
	I'm going to totally backtrack.
	I thought we'd just watch it because this is just wild.
	Because, I mean, remember, if actually illegals are per capita safer than the average American, more productive, I mean, the average American isn't running the Deliveroo economy, for Christ's sake, then the good people in America aren't the Americans.
	They're the bad people in America.
	They need uplifting.
	They need re-educating.
	That's why the noble immigrants have arrived in America, you see.
	But during your response to her heckling of you, you used the word illegal when talking about the man who allegedly killed Blake and Riley.
	Undocumented person.
	And I shouldn't have used the legal, it's undocumented.
	And look, when I spoke about the difference between Trump and me, one of the things I talked about on the border was his, the way he talks about vermin, the way he talks about these people polluting the blood.
	I talked about what I'm not going to do, what I won't do.
	I'm not going to treat any of these people with disrespect.
	Look, they built the country.
	The reason our economy is growing.
	We have to control the border and more orderly flow, but I don't share it with you at all.
	More orderly flow.
	I mean, he said it all.
	They built the country.
	You know, did you see his face when he said, I should have said undocumented, not legal?
	You could see like the cogs in his brain turning.
	You could see his handlers saying, don't say legal, don't say legal.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's like when Keir Starmer was asked what a woman was, he had the same expression.
	He was like, what did my handlers say again?
	We don't know what that is.
	Foreign murderers built the country though.
	I'm not going to treat any of these foreign murderers with disrespect.
	Control the flow!
	The American public have no choice.
	The flow will happen.
	We're just going to control it according to how much we think we need.
	What is this obsession with they built the country?
	I have no idea.
	It's so bizarre, like they've never picked up a history book.
	I hope black people rule the country.
	Well yeah, black Americans rule the country.
	70% of the population were just, oh yeah.
	No, no, no, it was actually Antonio Jose.
	Yeah!
	Oh yeah, which one is it?
	Did they build the country or did the black americans?
	I don't know why black americans are not a sense by this because technically they say they built the country but not the illegals that are coming in.
	How many?
	Seven in the last three years?
	Seven million?
	It's astounding numbers.
	Yeah, they built the country.
	So which version of the country?
	Wait, yeah.
	Which country are we building?
	Exactly.
	And who takes credit for it?
	But if we're building one where just the locals get murdered and then we support the murderers.
	That's a little cherry on top.
	Well, that's what he's supporting.
	They don't come in for the murder, but the murder's like an extra perk.
	Okay.
	They're coming to make sure that you- Get your deliveroo, and then your neighbor might be stabbed.
	Who knows?
	I mean, it's just mad though, isn't it?
	Because I mean, this is just insane.
	To totally discredit the people of the United States for having any agency or credit for the state of the country that the illegals are trying to get into in the first place.
	And they're saying, yeah, well, these guys who just arrived built this country.
	I mean, what country are you even talking about?
	Well, it's a historical nonsense.
	This is the kind of thing that I don't think people should get outraged about because they're just showing their ignorance.
	It's nothing surprising.
	It's not even ignorance.
	It's malevolence.
	He knows that's wrong.
	He's not ignorant about that.
	Yeah.
	He's being evil in this regard.
	Are you sure?
	I don't think he even knows what countries are.
	No, no, no, no.
	He does because as you can see, there's two narratives, right?
	One narrative is the kind of common sense narrative that people in America live by every day, which is, well, we're Americans, you know, our ancestors arrived with Mayflower and then we You know, manifest destiny to cross up the continent and then we defeated the Nazis in World War II and went through the Cold War and now we're just kind of here and that's just the normal common-sense narrative that makes America established as a normal country that just exists, right?
	And they've got the second narrative in which divine, angelic, rose petal-covered immigrants cross the borders for no particular reason to help the poor, deprived Americans out of their state of Indignity.
	And it's like, why are they doing this?
	What is the point to all of this?
	And then, when heckled, he goes, oh yeah, no, it wasn't legal.
	Because it defaults back to the normal narrative.
	And of course, when he's in this hyper-reality above, he's got to grind the cogs and be like, don't say illegal, don't say illegal, don't say illegal.
	Because he knows this is a BS narrative.
	This is not true.
	He knows it's not true.
	But the point is, why is he saying that this isn't true?
	And I love the, oh, this is the difference between me and President Trump.
	Yeah.
	Cause I mean, Trump went and met the guys, the woman's mom, you know, Trump's like really sorry.
	We're going to fix this.
	You know, we're going to like Trump actually cared about border security.
	Uh, and so he had a rally in Georgia, uh, brought the family who were obviously devastated.
	I imagine.
	I can imagine.
	Yeah.
	Like just like, this is the difference.
	Biden's literally going to say, yeah, I'm not going to disrespect the murderer of your daughter.
	I think if we can disrespect anyone, it's gotta be that guy, right?
	I just, I never thought that I would watch in real time these small elite group of people fundamentally change.
	The character of the US.
	I don't think we've understood.
	When you have these people come in, you fundamentally change what the country looks like.
	It's like, you know, Britain's immigration figures.
	It's not just about, you know, 1.2 million people over two years.
	Who's leaving?
	So who are they replacing?
	Are they replacing the same skill sets of the people that are leaving?
	I highly doubt it.
	You know, we're complaining about doctors and nurses going to Australia.
	Are you suggesting?
	I'm just saying, you know, and we're bringing in Deliveroo drivers.
	I'm just saying, so it's not even about just the people.
	All of our Deliveroo drivers are moving out.
	I mean, I'm worried, obviously, about the number of people coming in, the scale, what values are they bringing with them?
	That's the big conversation.
	But also, no one's thinking on the other end, who's leaving?
	Because you also see, oh yeah, the Australians and the Singaporeans and the Canadians are getting all our medics and I'm like, yeah, medics and those kinds of people are a pretty higher band of employee that have years of education.
	You don't exactly want to replace those with Uber drivers.
	No, no one wants to say it.
	I don't, but apparently no one wants to say it.
	Joe Biden does.
	But anyway, so yeah, just to just talk about the numbers very briefly.
	They're pretty horrific.
	This is from January, but the United States until 2020 had 10.2 million illegal immigrants.
	Then another 10 million came across during Biden's presidency, and that's only registered encounters, obviously, because the fact that they're illegal means that there's going to be probably a fairly large number, a known unknown, of people who have not been encountered, of course, aren't being engaged with Biden's system.
	I can imagine drug dealers wouldn't want to be pushed into the system.
	Yeah, just kind of an invisible number that we can't really track, because why would you?
	And people should probably remember that on day one, Joe Biden decided to start undoing all of Trump's border security initiatives through Executive Fiat, so the border will stop being built.
	Relaxations or controls were relaxed and all sorts of things.
	And then the problem exploded.
	And that's why he's like, well, we probably need to control the flow.
	But like you say, the flow is the flow.
	Exactly.
	The what?
	People don't want the flow.
	It is.
	It is strange just how much it matters who's the president of the United States.
	Because in this country, like it barely matters.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But what did George Galloway say?
	Both sides of the same, both cheeks of the same ass.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	Even if you change internally.
	I think to an extent it's the same in the US.
	I mean, it's the civil servants that run things.
	I mean, even if you get as far as being elected, you cannot change anything.
	You have this cabal of people that don't face any consequences for poor decisions, and they're the ones responsible for enacting your policy.
	So nothing ever changes unless you clean out.
	I think it's the difference between a parliamentary democracy and an executive presidency, though.
	I mean, you see with like Malay and Argentina and like Bekele and El Salvador, you can actually get stuff done.
	Like I'm thinking, for example, just on one of those points you mentioned, the executive orders.
	One of them, if I remember correctly, was long after COVID had stopped being an issue.
	On the basis of, oh no, we might import COVID, the Americans were still allowed, at least the border force, but permitted to just send them back to Mexico.
	Yeah.
	Because, oh no, they might have COVID.
	So let's keep them out.
	Exactly.
	Even though COVID's not a thing anymore.
	But Donald Trump kept it around.
	He was like, well, it's obvious bollocks, but it's good.
	It works.
	Joe Biden got rid of it.
	Yeah.
	That was our number one tool.
	Well, we need to vaccinate, you see.
	Yeah, their 10th vaccine.
	Has anyone else questioned how many vaccine, like, rounds of vaccinations we're on for COVID now?
	Nope.
	We're not going to talk about it on YouTube.
	That'll be after the show.
	We completely agree with whatever it is YouTube says about the vaccine.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, just as a quick thing, it hasn't always been this way, obviously, in America, which you can probably remember because, I mean, going back as far as 2009, Half a million.
	Obama talking very reasonably about immigration.
	And you remember that Joe Biden was the vice president at the time.
	So it's not like this is a normal thing that Americans have always thought about immigration and legals.
	I mean, let's just watch Obama for a second.
	This is not going to be a free ride.
	It's not going to be some instant amnesty.
	What's going to happen is you are going to pay a significant fine.
	You are going to learn English.
	You are going to go to the back of the line so that you don't get ahead of somebody who was in Mexico City applying legally.
	But after you've done these things over a certain period of time, you can earn your citizenship.
	So that it's not something that is guaranteed or automatic.
	You've got to earn it.
	But over time, you give people an opportunity.
	It only works, though, if you do all the pieces.
	I think the American people, they appreciate and believe in immigration.
	But they can't have a situation where you just have half a million people pouring over the border without any kind of mechanism to control it.
	So we've got to deal with that at the same time as we deal in a humane fashion with folks who have put down roots here, have become our neighbors, have become our friends.
	They may have children who are U.S.
	citizens.
	You can't have half a million crossing the border in two months.
	Actually, it turns out you can.
	Hold my beer.
	I can tell Obama is hating Biden's presidency.
	I remember when he waited very long, up until the last minute to even endorse Biden against Trump.
	I was like, why is that the case?
	And then he started to do a bit of digging and he didn't respect Biden's opinion on virtually anything.
	Yeah.
	In fact, apparently when Biden decided he was going to run, Obama was like, you don't have to do this, Jo.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, you really don't.
	And I'm pretty sure he wasn't amused when DeSantis flew over or was a bust over the legal migrants to Martha's Vineyard, where I'm told he has a nice humble abode.
	Oh, does he?
	I didn't even know that.
	I should have guessed though.
	But yeah, so I just think Americans should remember what their president's opinion of them is.
	And perhaps if they were to, I don't know, fly to Mexico and then get coached across the border and cross illegally, Joe Biden might actually gain a positive opinion about them.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But it's really encouraging to know that the people leading the American people hate them.
	That's positive news for the day.
	I never even thought about the idea that Obama must be sitting at home just being like, my legacy.
	Like, he probably quite liked, okay, of like most of the country who are right, so we'll obviously hate him for what he did, but he must have quite liked that even in the left-wing circles, he's considered some kind of perfect saint.
	Like, what's the line they use?
	Like, scandal-free presidency?
	The mythology.
	Saint Barack, yeah.
	Not true, but, you know, he probably liked having that mythology, and now, just, weren't you that guy with Joe Biden?
	Look what he's done.
	Yeah.
	Alrighty, well let's go to another clown show.
	Haiti, everyone's favourite country.
	Everyone goes on holiday, everyone... No?
	Really?
	No.
	No one ever goes?
	No.
	Yeah.
	Well anyway, it's been another average day in Haiti, a country we all think about every day.
	And as you can see here, the news came out that a gang leader named Barbecue has decided to take over the capital.
	This is not called Gaylord.
	That would be different.
	I'm pretty sure that would get him killed.
	Do you not remember the African warlord called Gaylord?
	That would get him killed.
	At least in Haiti.
	General Butt Naked.
	Yeah, General Butt Naked or Gaylord something or other.
	They've got some great names.
	There's the best one in Liberia that was General Mosquito and then a rival started fighting against General Mosquito.
	It's a pretty popular one because General Mosquito had gone as well.
	I didn't know that was a popular name because they're such a menace.
	We don't like that pesky malaria.
	But then the guy who was fighting Gemma Mosquito took on the name Gemma Mosquito Spray.
	It just gets worse.
	But here's the news.
	I mean, as you can see there, he's having a lovely time.
	Look, he's really diverse.
	There's a woman there.
	There's a woman with a gun.
	That might be a boy.
	I thought the boobs gave it away, but you never know these days.
	But Dredka has got a big old thread here on just why Haiti is so dysfunctional.
	I'm not going to go through that because we've done it before.
	The funniest one for people who haven't seen it before is the way they teach how to use a computer in many Haitian schools is with a blackboard.
	So they tell you to click on save and obviously the children don't even know what you mean by click.
	That's helpful.
	Yeah, so it's kind of a dysfunctional place, to say the least.
	But back to Mr. Barbecue.
	Now, my understanding of the story, and I'm sure people know better than me, but my understanding is in 2021... Sorry to interrupt.
	How did he give himself the name Barbecue?
	So he cooks people and eats them.
	Oh, that's great.
	That's as you do.
	Yeah.
	So 2021, President of Haiti gets assassinated, and ever since they've not had a president.
	But they do have a prime minister.
	Now the Prime Minister was off in the United States on a trip and then was going to fly home and run the country.
	Was he crossing the border illegally?
	Was he flying or bussing?
	An actual refugee.
	He was flying, but he is now an illegal immigrant because he tried to land back at his homeland and Mr Barbecue said, nuh-uh, because he's taken over the airport.
	Oh dear God.
	And just refused anyone to land, including the Prime Minister.
	The Prime Minister's buggered off to Puerto Rico and is like, give me my country back.
	And Barbecue's opinion of that is no.
	Does the country only have one airport?
	My understanding, yeah.
	It's not, definitely not.
	They might have a spare one just in case this happens.
	You know, if you're going to run a country like this, you have to take precautions.
	Someone needs to get Charles Taylor and be like, listen, you need a masterclass.
	Just get a boat, you'd think, and a gun.
	Literally.
	But Mr. Barbecue, he's issued a statement, because he's now being a bit of a political figure.
	We have an official statement from Barbecue, the guerrilla leader.
	Yes.
	I was thinking of a Haitian, yeah, okay.
	So Barbecue's issued a statement saying that if the President continues, sorry, the Prime Minister continues to be the Prime Minister, and the international community backs him instead of stopping and backing who, he's not said, but if they continue to back that Prime Minister, civil war will happen.
	And he then said, that will lead to genocide.
	That's a campaign promise.
	He hasn't said yet.
	Yeah.
	Like who are you going to genocide?
	They're not two different peoples.
	You just don't like the president.
	Yeah.
	Well, we're going to genocide those guys over there.
	Like he'll find a way is his promise.
	At least he's honest.
	How many people do you hear that?
	Or can you just say, "Is this all genocide?" Like, you know?
	Refreshing honesty.
	Exactly!
	Most people try to keep that under wraps, but no.
	Not barbecue.
	Absolutely not.
	Many people are now putting up, you know, paintings of barbecue, as the honest man that he is.
	I will kill and cook my opponent.
	Yes, he will indeed.
	But this reminded me of a time before time, back when Donald Trump was in charge.
	And you may remember that it was rather funny because he came out and referred to Haiti as a shithole, which I'm just going to remind everyone by playing this.
	Question why the United States would allow people from Haiti and Africa into the country.
	Describing those places using an expletive while suggesting people from Norway might be more acceptable.
	He reportedly made the comments during a White House meeting with a bipartisan group of senators.
	The White House tonight is not denying the President made the remarks.
	I love that, yeah.
	Someone might have recorded it.
	We now go to General Barbecue for his opinion.
	Exactly.
	Well this was back then.
	So as you can see, where's the date for this?
	Six years ago this statement was made.
	When the world was a better place.
	And the response was not just the news being upset.
	All the funny men had something to say.
	Let's enjoy this crap I guess.
	One version of Make America Great Again hats.
	It's a hat that says Haiti is great already.
	We offered it to them and they were quite happy to have it.
	People really like the slogan.
	Look at Elon Musk's comment, they should pop by for a visit, say hi to Barbecue, I hear he grows a great steak!
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	But you may remember you can see Bill Maher here, jumping on with his bollocks, and we'll get back to that later, but Conan's not the only one.
	Trevor Noah did a thing where he just sat here whining about how dare you call it a shithole.
	Don't you know that America's a shithole compared to Norway?
	Good point.
	You got us there!
	Sounds like Haiti's a paradise.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Which is why none of them live there.
	Odd.
	Odd development.
	Jimmy Kimmel did a thing where he was upset.
	Pretendedly so.
	Because who doesn't know this?
	Pretendedly so.
	Not legitimate, is it?
	No, no, but it's a really funny way of describing it.
	He's upset, pretendedly so.
	I mean, that describes all of this, all the time.
	Yeah.
	And it continued.
	And I want to just quickly go over Haitian history.
	I jumped over to Encyclopædia Britannica.
	Because I trust them more on Wikipedia, right?
	Sure.
	Don't give that a read.
	So I did give it a read this morning, and the quick CliffsNotes version is... It's not good.
	Yeah, it's not fantastic.
	French slave colony, slaves revolted, and... All the white people.
	Won their independence.
	According to Britannica, that didn't happen.
	So, according to them, what happened is that the new guy, Louverture, he decided that he was going to get all the peasants now, because they weren't slaves, and make them go back to work forcibly.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Which isn't slavery, because it's a military dictatorship of the peasants.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They all agree, so it's fine.
	The Europeans started leaving for no reason, who knows why, and then the French re-invaded and lost, because Napoleon, and then civil wars follow, and then blah blah blah blah blah.
	There's just endless political instability.
	And then you end up with, is it Papa Doc?
	Yeah.
	Voodoo dictator of Haiti.
	But as you mentioned there, they forget to mention the massacre, which is that the slaves took over and then just butchered all the white people, specifically the French in this example.
	There's a drawing at the time of this fella with a lovely white woman.
	He's just decapitated.
	Why?
	Ah, she was French.
	Didn't matter if she owned slaves, they just had to go.
	Yeah.
	Now, the reason this is really important is not just because it's unprecedented, but what it did, because as you can see that's in the start of the 1800s, is that this story went to the United States, and obviously all the southern states, even if you were supporting abolishing slavery, those people were like, Ah, they saw the writing on the wall.
	Maybe we don't want to do that.
	Maybe they'll kill us all.
	And that had a huge impact on the expansion of slavery for a number of years in the United States.
	So, not a small historical thing.
	A big historical thing.
	Yeah, it's one of the reasons why California didn't have slavery and yet is still paying reparations.
	Yeah, it's incredible.
	And I have family that live there, so they're getting reparations.
	Oh, congratulations to them!
	You realise our tribe actually made a lot of money off of it.
	Has anyone read the history book?
	I'm just like, just give me a cut.
	No one has read a history book.
	just being like, they should have paid more, right?
	That was good merchandise.
	No one has read a history book.
	I'm like, they could just look up your names.
	Well, don't tell them.
	Yeah, okay.
	But that's not the end of my inheritance.
	Haitian history, I want to do the quick lesson on, is because Haitian history is just mad.
	It's just constant madness, because that's the start of it.
	Okay, slave revolt.
	You might think that's noble or something, and then they killed all the white people for no reason.
	I was like, that's a bad idea.
	No, no one likes you.
	What did they do next?
	Well, they declared war on their neighbor, their only neighbor.
	Because why not?
	The reason being that they'd ruined their own economy.
	So they thought, okay, let's just invade our neighbor.
	And then they ruined their economy.
	And then the Dominicans rose up in an independence war against them and won.
	Okay, not a great start.
	What was followed by that?
	Lasted almost 12 years.
	Yeah.
	Followed was just political instability, to the point that the United States even got pissed off and decided to invade Haiti because it was being too silly, and then decided to build a load of infrastructure in the hope that that would make them sort themselves out, and then buggered off in the 30s.
	What happened next?
	Political instability, which led to a dictator.
	Oh look, there's Papa Doc.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's got a hell of a resume.
	I just think voodoo dictator is just such a cool thing to do.
	You know what I mean?
	If you're going to be a dictator, leave your mark in history.
	You can't just be a dictator.
	We've already had those.
	You need to have something special.
	Become a voodoo dictator.
	Exactly.
	Set up death squads.
	Set up a massive personality cult.
	Just kill anyone who ever slightly annoys you, and then put your son in charge.
	And then he does the same.
	Yeah, that didn't go well either.
	And then more political instability and then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	We're here, where you can go on LiveMap and read the news that the international airport has been taken over by the local gang.
	Great.
	That's encouraging.
	That's, that's, that's great.
	I forgot to add earthquakes as well.
	The country never recovered.
	And I say, I use the term recovered because it's not like it was an economic powerhouse to begin with from the earthquakes.
	But I mean, it was just, I remember, you know, the, what is it?
	Wyclef Jean, he was part of that, The Fugees, that's it, with Lauryn Hill.
	He tried to run for president of Haiti because he's originally Haitian.
	He was barred because he owed too much taxes to the IRS and they were like, yeah, if you go to Haiti, not only are you going to soak up all of that money, we're never going to see the money you owe us.
	So he wasn't allowed to run, which was interesting.
	But you're right to bring up the earthquakes, I did forget that.
	So, 2004, massive storm, destroys the place.
	And then there's the 2010 earthquake, which probably everyone remembers.
	Yep.
	A big deal on TV.
	All the celebrities sang.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, some awful song.
	And then the UN turned up to help.
	Nice.
	They massively increased the amount of cholera in the country, and I had to issue a public apology for that.
	Oh, as you do.
	Because they mixed wastewater with drinking water.
	Good job, guys.
	They then raped a bunch of kids.
	Okay.
	And then no one got held to account.
	So, yeah.
	They're not considered very well of, either.
	And then in 2021, the president gets assassinated.
	There's another massive earthquake in 2021, which you may less remember, because everyone was sort of kind of done with it at that point.
	And in between, you've got the Hillary Clintons turning up, stealing money and everything else.
	So, there's that.
	But now we're here.
	Now, this video, as you can see, has been deleted.
	Probably for the best, because we can't show it.
	Yeah, that's the reason I chose this.
	Wow, that is horrifying.
	I saw this video before.
	Animal gang eating body parts of one of their victims as he cooks in the fire.
	So you can see this online if you want to.
	Oh, you saw it?
	Yeah, I saw it.
	It's pretty grim.
	He's literally a big old human leg and he's shoving it in the fire and then it's nom nom nom.
	It kind of tastes like pork.
	I don't know why I looked it up, but I wondered what human meat tastes like.
	Apparently.
	There are islands around Australia where human meat is called long pork.
	That's the actual traditional name for it.
	And I was like, why do they call it that?
	Because it most resembles pork.
	It's weird because pork also tastes like pork and it comes without the moral burden.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Which is why I tend to prefer pork over long-necked.
	Me too.
	I'm guilty as charged.
	I'm old-fashioned.
	Exactly, yep.
	That's a weird way of looking at it.
	I prefer ham over thigh.
	Yeah, but people are like, oh, it tastes like pork.
	But they say it's a justification to eat it.
	But who responds to that by being like, well, I wish I could taste human, so I'll have to eat pig?
	Well, I didn't say I wish I could taste human, but the justification to go, well, look, eating human may sound gross, but it tastes like pork.
	And you like pork.
	You love bacon.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's like, yeah, but I'd rather eat the pig.
	I wonder what part of the human body is bacon.
	Probably the butt.
	Okay, moving on.
	Because that story is, as I mentioned, just an average day.
	Like, literally, who cares?
	Like, this place has never been stable.
	It's never going to be stable.
	And it's too economically irrelevant for it to inspire foreign intervention, unfortunately.
	It's just a joke.
	So the responses to it are really what I found interesting.
	Now, there's one response from a Mr. Bukele.
	Oh, really?
	Is it a sensible response?
	His response was, lol, lmao even.
	How could you deal with gangs?
	I don't know.
	See ya.
	As you can see here, he's just joking.
	He's like, man, imagine having gang problems.
	That would be terrible.
	Which, um, I don't know.
	That's very based.
	This is the thing.
	All the experts said they couldn't be defeated because they were an intrinsic part of our society.
	And they were wrong.
	They must be done in Haiti.
	I don't know why, but I'm getting like Like, what would like an alternate reality look like if Norway had colonized?
	What, Haiti?
	Haiti, yeah.
	You'd see a lot of blonde people with tans.
	I'm trying to remember which island.
	I think it's the Virgin Islands that used to have a lot of Danish people before we got them.
	There you are.
	Yeah.
	I might be wrong about that.
	The Dutch had a fair role in some parts of West Africa as well.
	So he did also issue another statement where he did offer to become the dictator of Haiti and clean it up.
	He's not had a response to that yet, but maybe he'll be getting a phone call from that PM.
	Can't believe General Barbecue hasn't taken him up on it.
	He might be next.
	He might be lunch.
	Who knows?
	But the average leftist westerner had a different take, which is that this is violent against them, to dare point out.
	Oh, this is good.
	In Haiti, as in Palestine, the West gets away with most obscene Hitlerite propaganda to justify its violent agenda.
	Hitlerite is not a word.
	This is him pointing to an article where they mention the cannibal gang leader has taken over the place and is eating people.
	What violent agenda do we have towards Haiti?
	Seems like God himself.
	For what reason as well?
	What are we going to colonize Haiti for?
	The plantains?
	I don't know.
	Anyway, I don't know what's there.
	This is, this is a clear, very mental.
	Callum, Callum, I know you're against immigration, but imagine the restaurants.
	Exactly.
	Imagine the bacon.
	Have you considered that British cuisine is just that boring?
	But now we have the recipes for human leg.
	Do we need the immigrants is what I'm saying.
	But the thing is, that's Haiti's story.
	This is strange.
	What a strange link.
	Plus it's clearly mentally unwell.
	What do you even do with leftists at that point where they're just like, wow, this is just like Palestine.
	Oh, shut up.
	You send them there to do their duty.
	Hitlerite... what?
	So the reason I mention all this is because you've got Haiti on one side, and people know the geography.
	Of course, you've got the Dominican Republic on the other.
	And as mentioned, Haiti invaded and occupied the Dominican Republic before they were kicked out.
	So there's not the best of relations.
	The Dominicans also did a couple of big old massacres on the Haitians, but point being, two different parts of the same island.
	A little bit of a climate difference, but that's about it.
	I'm sure the climate difference is massive.
	Yeah.
	Huge.
	Night and day.
	I wonder if we can turn off dark mode on this, John, because it's screwing up my ability to read that one there.
	Infant mortality.
	This is Vox.
	Now, Vox even had to admit, okay, there's a bit of a difference between these two.
	It's a bit.
	Yes.
	Infant mortality, like twice on Haiti.
	Life expectancy, significantly better in the Dominican Republic one.
	AIDS problem.
	GDP.
	I mean, that's just comical, the difference there.
	I can't believe that the Spanish speakers have a neighbor to which they're objectively economically superior.
	It's incredible.
	both of them was like, hmm, for some reason, some reason, one of them is really badly managed and the other one seems to be doing all right.
	I can't believe that the Spanish speakers have a neighbor to which they're objectively economically superior.
	It's incredible.
	They can't believe their luck.
	As a result, as mentioned, that border is nice and secure.
	Yeah.
	Because the average wage in the Dominican Republic is 800 bucks a month.
	The average wage in Haiti a month is 134 bucks.
	Yeah, that's... You're sharing an island!
	You need to build a border for that.
	I mean... Do you have a picture of the border?
	Yeah.
	We'll get to it in a minute, I suppose.
	But getting back to the funny men, because Conan himself went there after making that funny jibe about, haha, it's not a shithole.
	He was like, look, I'm there in 2018.
	I mean, he doesn't look convinced.
	Look at his face.
	He does not look convinced.
	How is it that a Norwegian is also there?
	How does Norway keep getting roped into this?
	He went there, and I'll be honest, I looked at all of his videos about it, it seems like the most orchestrated trip I've ever seen.
	It probably was.
	In this bit here, he's got a Norwegian who says that she lives in Haiti, and she'd rather live in Haiti than in the United States.
	She would only go to the United States after Donald Trump is gone.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Glad she gets a say on that.
	Things got better after that.
	What NGO does she work for?
	Yeah.
	The thing is, I decided to go check out more and more of what he did, because it's just kind of funny.
	Conan in Haiti.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he mostly just seemed to stay in some tourist resort and came away with the opinion that it's beautiful.
	Haiti is truly a beautiful country.
	Yeah, I suppose.
	I mean, that does look pretty good.
	Yeah.
	Let's have a look at the responses, because the responses are just pictures of a place outside of the resort, which...
	Yes!
	That's brilliant.
	I love that.
	Down, down.
	Prince of Poole there.
	People just kept going.
	That's a fella throwing out baby with the bathwater.
	That's pork.
	That's pork harvesting.
	I suppose it is.
	We're going to make ham, okay?
	How do you not?
	So yeah, people were just like, this is stupid.
	Now, if you go and watch his full videos about this, he actually explicitly says, no, I am engaging in propaganda.
	He says, well, okay then.
	Wow.
	The purpose of the trip, these are his words, the purpose of the trip was to show only the good sides of Haiti.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, if you lie, that's pretty easy.
	Well, it's not the hardest thing.
	But getting back to some of the not-so-good sides, I mean, for people who haven't seen it, there is a beautiful video from the guy who used to work at Reason on dirt cookies, which, um, I suppose we're just going to enjoy the talk.
	Dirt cookies?
	You've not heard of these?
	They're better than traditional deltas.
	I would hope so.
	Please tell me you're joking.
	No?
	Let's watch.
	What in the hell?
	...sold and even hoarded by women here in the poorest section of the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, Cite Soleil in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.
	Small amounts of vegetable shortening, salt, and occasionally sugar are mixed in with the dirt and water as well.
	Made in places like this, an old fort where torture was once common by corrupt dictators here, Fort Dimanche is now a center of commerce built around the dirt cookies.
	A basketball court, soccer field, and school for hundreds of kids, and home to many.
	To get to the basketball court, which acts as a preparation area for the dirt cookies, you have to cross this open sewer, which is littered with animal parts and trash and other nasty things, to get to an area where the cookies are laid out to dry out.
	In the sun, you can see that these are still very wet, not quite ready to be served, but this is literally dirt being prepared for humans to eat on top of other dirt and filth.
	I'm laughing because it's just so horrific.
	Honestly, it's... yeah.
	It sounds made up.
	There's people eating dirt.
	Yeah, this is a real thing.
	I also just love how he's like, well, these clearly aren't ready.
	That's raw dirt cookies.
	I'm not eating that.
	That's cookie dough.
	No, that's the reality for a lot of people.
	I mean, when you've got a country where people are eating dirt, I mean, I just, it brings a whole new meaning to Conan sat over there with his pina colada or whatever.
	And he's just like, look, Haiti's wonderful.
	Have you not seen how you can go to a beach?
	Just saying suddenly everyone's listening to general barbecues campaign promises, aren't they?
	Dirt cookies or the barbecue?
	Come on, what are you going for?
	Well, the new kind of pork.
	Hmm.
	Yeah.
	Horrifying.
	So that's the reality.
	They do a bunch of interviews and things, and it's just not fun, so there's that.
	But do go and check it out, because it's a hell of a documentary, if nothing else.
	But he also spent his time hanging out in fancy kitchens, showing off.
	Look, Haiti has wonderful food.
	I believe he actually starts this off by talking about how good Haitian cuisine is.
	So while I'm here, what if I learned how to make Haitian food?
	And perfect place to do it is a place called World Central Kitchen.
	I thought maybe I could learn to make Haitian food, and in return, maybe I would teach them how to toast a Pop-Tart.
	Yeah, okay, right.
	Are they not making dirt cookies then?
	No, no.
	Do you want to know where this is?
	It's not the same place where the dirt cake is drying out.
	Really?
	Where is it?
	This place here.
	You can see the larger houses here.
	Oh, and I see swimming pools!
	There's swimming pools in these ones.
	This is the place where the armed guards are.
	Yeah, look at the lush, but look at all the greenery.
	Lush, the greenery, swimming pools, etc.
	If you scroll out a bit and then just like, you know, go anywhere else in the bloody place, it doesn't look so cool.
	It looks a bit... Fewer swimming pools in this place.
	Like that.
	Yeah, looks more like a...
	There we are.
	That's that.
	I also just love the line, I didn't catch it there, but you can find it in the video, where he says, Haiti is known for its cuisine, which, yeah, all right.
	I mean, it is true.
	Not the cuisine he's gonna have, but yeah.
	I'll end this off, because he also did some other thing here, where he got interviewed by some girl, and the girl here says, we don't need the United States, they took our riches.
	Oh, gosh.
	So, so historically, so, so ahistorical.
	What riches?
	Yeah.
	You know, the riches.
	They was here.
	Somewhere.
	Yeah.
	All the gold.
	Yeah.
	We see a graph.
	At least the British were practical about these things.
	We've got a graph here.
	I show a lot of data, but this is probably the most stark one I've ever seen in my life.
	This is GDP per capita for the Dominican Republic right next door, and Haiti.
	People listening, the Haitian one, since the 1940s, is a flat line.
	Yeah.
	It's actually gone down.
	Yeah, I was gonna say, actually, it's gone down.
	Down, yeah.
	The Dominican Republic is an exponential growth.
	Almost textbook.
	Remarkable for Spanish speakers.
	It's incredible.
	I mean, I'm sorry, but this is, yeah, this is why it's just another average day.
	A local barbecue lunatic who eats people has taken over country, holds government hostage.
	I'm surprised it took him this long.
	Some parts of the world are just like this.
	I mean, he could literally walk into the Dominican Republic, beg for some money, and then use that money to bribe whoever, like, is in charge in Haiti.
	They've probably never seen so much money in their lives before.
	200 buckaroos?
	Ooh!
	Exactly!
	Yeah.
	So that's that.
	I didn't really know what I was doing with this, except explaining some of the world is like that, and that is horrifying.
	Yeah.
	Just remember, things are bad here, but they could always be worse.
	You could always be Haitian.
	Let's move on.
	So speaking of things being bad here, let's talk about the war on terror as it translates to the British context.
	So as we were told by the 2021 census, there are 3.9 million Muslims in the UK, which makes them 6.5% of the population and 67% of the terror attacks since 2018.
	Amazing.
	And 67% of the terror attacks since 2018.
	Amazing.
	So you might think that when...
	I mean, you can find even more shocking statistics...
	If you go back to 1998, a quarter, I think over a quarter of all terror suspects arrested have been of asylum, mainly Muslim background.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	This is like, I mean, the last few years, if you blow it up, even back 20, 30 years ago, it's still quite significant.
	Yeah.
	And so three quarters of MI5's caseload 75%?
	Yeah.
	75% of MI5's time is spent on Islamists?
	75% of MI5's time is spent on Islamists.
	On this 6.5% demographic.
	It's incredible that we tolerate this, but countries, Muslim majority countries don't tolerate this.
	No, they don't tolerate it because they're not stupid.
	But we're really stupid.
	But the thing is, I think this just comes down to two different approaches, right?
	So their approach is the kind of Berkelian, let's incisively get in there, deal with the problem, and then that's the problem over.
	Whereas ours is kind of like the Russian approach to war, where we just take it and take it and take it until eventually the enemy runs out of bullets, right?
	And then we win.
	Yeah, which is a military strategy that's only worked in about 50% of the wars that the Russians have had.
	So we're literally gambling with our future.
	Well, yeah, I mean, something like that.
	But yeah, so this is the UK's countering terrorism report for 2023, came out late last year.
	And they say, well, look, this is costing us billions a year.
	67% of the attacks have come from this one community, three quarters of the MI5 caseload, and 64% of those in custody for terrorism-connected offenses are from those communities.
	And so if we were to look at, say, the prescribed terror groups in the United Kingdom, it's vaguely reflective of that.
	So you can... So that's the law?
	Yeah, so that's the law and then, you know, we get to some of the groups.
	Yeah, there's a Sikh one there, which is interesting.
	I don't see any Catholic ones.
	Abu Nirdal Organization, Saif Group, Al-Astiyah Brigades, Al-Jamaat Al-Islamia.
	It's just a lot of Al's.
	I just get so you get to the Il.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Ansar, Ansar Muffa, Abbott Ali, Atom Waffen, there we are.
	Boko Haram.
	Egyptian Islamic Jihad, you know.
	But there is a Nazi one there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the funny thing about the far right ones, because I've looked at this, is they're usually like, this American lunatic group exists.
	Oh, Norwegian, actually.
	There was one found by a Norwegian guy.
	But it's like, okay, but no one in the UK is a member or cares.
	Yeah.
	But at least we can still find out how to prescribe Germans.
	It's incredible that with a quick Google search, you can see how the scales or the magnitude of the threat are so clearly coming from one particular community or group or whatever.
	And yet when our politicians talk, you would never get that sense.
	It's like, are you familiar with your own government's legislation?
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	Found it!
	I mean, we found another right-wing one instead of just all Muslims.
	They look like they hate everyone.
	They're racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic.
	They just need like a couple more and they're good.
	So there's a weird thing here with them as well.
	They're banned.
	Weirdly not Islamophobic.
	Yeah, which is weird.
	But the rest of them, they're all banned for like committing terrorism.
	These guys are banned for a tweet, which was interpreted as terrorism.
	Yeah.
	Which is a call to action.
	But again, I mean, not many bombs.
	Yeah.
	Lamenting the murder of Joe Cox.
	I think you mean celebrating.
	I mean, that's a communist one.
	They're all in Turkey.
	Yes.
	None of them are in the UK.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And in fact, these are all communist ones.
	Revolutionary.
	Left-wing nationalist.
	Marxist-Leninist.
	Again, Salafist group.
	Well, that was the end of it.
	Yeah.
	Pakistan.
	Pakistan is having a huge problem.
	Most of these groups are from Pakistan.
	How do they even identify them or differentiate?
	I think the point has been made that the three far-right ones and like a hundred... Oh, there's Wagner group.
	That's a Russian one though, isn't it?
	Four.
	Bunch of Russians that don't exist.
	Out of 16.
	I'm not sure we can consider the Russian group a far-right group from Western standards.
	Okay, three and a half.
	They also just don't exist anymore.
	They even got murdered in Russia.
	But anyway, so.
	No, their leader just had a plane crash.
	Ah, of course.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The general thesis from the establishment, and this is the politicians, the media, the academics, any talking head you'll ever find on TV is, well look, Terrorism is obviously bad, you have to agree with that, but there's no connection between terrorism and any community.
	Terrorism has no community, you know, it's just something that happens, there's no... Yeah, in isolation.
	And in fact, what we need to do is make sure that we don't ever blame a community for terrorism.
	It's good stand-up, man.
	I am steelmanning their position as much as I can, and this is something to say.
	And so, recently, the latest attempt at this has been, I think, rather macabre, because it's just... I mean, there are certain levels of don't-look-back-in-anger that actually start to really annoy me, and it's when the British government starts employing the victims of the Islamic terror attacks.
	This really, really annoys me.
	It's like pro-level gaslighting.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so apparently more than 50 victims of Islamist-inspired terror attacks have signed a joint letter against what they describe as anti-Muslim hate.
	You don't have to do this.
	I don't care how much pressure you're paying, you don't have to do this.
	Maybe it's like a form of conversion.
	Like, you know, some of the victims of the Royal Engrooming Gangs have become like staunchly, like devoutly Christian.
	And so there's maybe their coping mechanism.
	So maybe the government's like, you know, you can hit on this new religion of like supreme gaslighting.
	Maybe.
	I just, I just kind of hate it.
	So there's this charity called Survivors Against Terror who wrote a letter and I'm just going to read it because it's just, While this is the way that things are done, nothing can ever get better.
	As victims and survivors of terror attacks that were driven by Islamist extremism, we are all only too aware of its threat.
	It has had a devastating impact on our own lives and killed the people we love.
	Fighting it and defeating it should be a national priority.
	To defeat this threat, the single most important thing we can do is to isolate the extremists and terrorists from the vast majority of British Muslims who deplore such violence.
	How do we do that?
	I'm assuming they're going to prescribe how to do that.
	No, they don't.
	That's the entire... Oh no, then it's a synopsis of what's going on.
	No, that's the entire letter there.
	The thing is, are we incapable of having a mature and frank conversation?
	Okay, yes, there is anti-Muslim hatred, but clearly the vast majority of the threat that society faces in terms of terrorism is coming from one specific group of people.
	Can we not say that?
	And when polled, what are their opinions?
	Because they claim that the vast majority of Muslims abhor this stuff.
	Okay, we'll poll them.
	But the thing is, there's research on this.
	It's clear It's a serious day and it's usually, and no surprise there, groups that are the most poorly integrated in Britain that don't bother even learning English.
	You have to learn English, presumably, to get a British passport, but you can live in England for decades and not know how to drive because you can't speak English, not even bother learning to speak English, not even adopting certain values, let alone teaching them to your kids.
	I mean, it's incredible.
	It's so brazen as well.
	And I'm just thinking to myself, you realise you can't do this literally anywhere else.
	You certainly can't go to India and do this.
	You can't go to Nigeria and do this.
	Somewhere in Arabia, can you have the kind of stuff in our mosques that they wouldn't accept it?
	Honestly!
	But anyway, so they say in recent weeks there have been too many cases and this is the real issue.
	Politicians have been sidling closer and closer to the line of saying, guys, I think I've located the problem.
	The government department did give me that report.
	Yeah, too many cases where politicians and others have failed to do this, in some cases equating being Muslim with being an extremist, facilitating anti-Muslim hate or failing to challenge it.
	You know what Obishu Sunak's speech was like?
	It was like, you know, when you go to a playground and you have that teacher being like, kids separate!
	Stop it!
	It's like treating it like that, like everyone's bad, everyone's naughty, like wagging their finger, like, Clearly, like, I don't know, 15 stone, built like a brick shithouse is a bigger threat to like the five-year-old.
	Clearly there's a disparity here.
	There are faults on both sides.
	Exactly.
	Five year olds, stop it.
	Stop throwing your, like, I don't know, dummy at him.
	And that's basically what this comes down to.
	Because, of course, Rishi Sunak came out and said, well, you know, Islamist extremism and the far right, basically the same problem that we're facing.
	And in fact, they carry on.
	They say this is not only wrong in itself, but it makes the job of Islamist extremists easier and plays into the hands of terrorists.
	We also know where anti-Muslim hate can lead.
	This month is the fifth anniversary of the horrific far-right terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand, that killed 51 Muslims at two mosques.
	Yeah, how was that caused?
	That's interesting, isn't it?
	Because that's the only act of actual terrorism they call out in this letter.
	How was it caused?
	And most of the terrorism that other Muslims face are from other Muslims.
	Yes, that's true.
	Actually, about 99%.
	I'm just, you know, putting a figure out there.
	Sorry, but literally, how was that one terrorist attack caused?
	That's a good point actually, I don't remember.
	There was a particular attack, wasn't it?
	The Batclan Master or something like that?
	No, no, no.
	Why did that guy in New Zealand go and do what he did?
	Because he was crazy.
	Nobody knows.
	Nobody knows, because you remember in time... Oh, they're just associated with the far right, which now I don't even know what... What does far right mean now?
	I don't know, and I'm too afraid to find out.
	The guy published a manifesto literally laying out why he did it, and the media went with Candace Owens is at fault.
	Really?
	Oh, and PewDiePie as well.
	PewDiePie and Candace Owens did this.
	I'm so glad I didn't know that.
	That would despair for humanity even more.
	The real reason is that he travelled the world, including a lot of Muslim nations, and then came out of it as an anti-Muslim.
	No, he went to France.
	Yeah, he went to France.
	That's not the best endorsement!
	As I said, he went to France.
	Going to France radicalised him.
	And he became a radical anti-Muslim hating person.
	And okay, but that's how that happened.
	He did not listen to Rishi Sunak.
	No.
	They did not listen to Lee Anderson.
	Stop.
	I did not know this.
	This doesn't follow.
	Yes, but anyway, so they say, well, Islamist-inspired extremism is our country's most pressing terror threat.
	I like that.
	While, let's take that and put that over... The most pressing?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They admit, you know, okay, it's undeniable that, you know... 75%?
	Yeah, I mean, but we'll take that and we'll put that to the side.
	It is not the only one.
	Oh, okay.
	So it's conceding that it is.
	Let's equivocate, because we've already talked about a far-right terror attack.
	Let's talk about more far-right terror attacks, because that's the real issue.
	But what I love about this is that they're just admitting, look, we can't talk to those people.
	There's no reasoning with people on that side, the majority issue.
	There's no reason.
	But maybe we can reason with this minority issue over here.
	But the thing is, they talk about isolating these extremists.
	Fine.
	How do you do that?
	Yeah, that's the unanswerable question, isn't it?
	Um, but they say that it's not the only one and responding to it by feeding far right extremism, dividing our communities and exaggerating the risk will feed a cycle of extremism and put more people at risk.
	Signed by 58 survivors of the following, uh, 15 different terror attacks, Bali, 7th of July bombings, the Bataclan, Paris attack, the Fishmongers Hall in London, Forbury Gardens, Reading, ISIS, Syria, Israel, London Bridge, Manchester Arena, Brussels.
	I mean, the list goes on and they're all.
	I don't think they got people from all of these.
	Sorry.
	Did they not see the problem with doing that?
	Here's this one far-right terror attack.
	By the way, we're all survivors of blah blah blah blah blah blah.
	And what's the commonality of all those 15 other attacks?
	I'm just saying.
	Yeah.
	I don't think they got people from every single one of these.
	I refuse to believe that.
	No, no, they did.
	They did.
	They've got the signatures underneath.
	Wow.
	It's a lot of attacks, isn't it?
	It's really atrocious to try and weaponize the victims.
	This is like Brass Eye.
	I'm sorry, this is like a Brass Eye sketch.
	It's like we, loads of us who have all been victims of this one group, we're here to call out a different group that engaged in a very small amount of We're here to call out anti-Muslim hate because what they're saying is, look, just because that happens, that happens, you know, just cause this keeps happening.
	The real problem is the far right.
	I wouldn't even have a problem with this if they actually gave us a solution.
	Well, you're not, you're not allowed to allow this to stigmatize a particular community, right?
	That's what they're saying.
	This, you are not allowed to have a particular opinion about this community because of this terrorism.
	I'm sorry, I can't get over looking at that.
	And to be honest with you, you know, as a member of the far-right community, I don't want them stigmatizing me because of that.
	Yeah, I'm not Australian for one.
	So what does stigmatize look like?
	Asking questions?
	Being critical?
	I mean, and how do you... Quote, anti-Muslim hate.
	How do you identify that?
	What exactly does...
	What does an anti-Muslim hater look like?
	I guess anti-Muslim hate would look like... What does a hater look like?
	Because we know what the KKK looks like.
	Isn't it like Donald Trump?
	Not allowing Muslim immigration from like eight different Muslim countries.
	Somalia.
	Yeah, that's like anti-Muslim hate, I think.
	Because I mean like a sensible government policy would be like to look at a particular community and say, right, okay, that's been disproportionately disruptive to the national life.
	It's costing us millions of pounds.
	There's a huge amount of benefits that go to the community.
	Maybe we'll be a bit more selective about where we take immigrants.
	But that would be racism.
	You know, the most annoying thing that I hear when people are like, oh, but if they change their immigration policy, you wouldn't have been allowed to come in or whatever.
	Oh, you know what?
	You're right.
	I want the country to base its immigration policy based on my personal circumstances.
	That sounds like a great way to run a country.
	But again, it's not to say that, you know, no people can come in.
	It's just that we can... You can vet them, like having a door in your own house where you vet people.
	Yeah.
	That's the thing and we're not discerning and people are dying and then the survivors of these attacks have got to come out and go, look guys, don't be racist.
	It's like, okay.
	This is like a huge group of Europeans who are all victims of fascist aggression from the Germans, right?
	Getting together and saying that, oh, I don't know.
	Anti-German hate is terrible.
	Well, worse than that, because they won't condemn the anti-Germans.
	They're not concerned about the Germans who have murdered all the family.
	Instead, they're concerned about, well, I don't know, Spanish imperialism.
	Also that's not a very good example because they found the anti-Muslim hate can lead because they found basically the only example of a non-Muslim or someone identifying with that faith attacking majority Muslim people.
	They found like literally the only example and don't they see the irony there?
	There have been like two or three other ones but it's very very small in comparison to the amount of caseload work I just don't understand what they're like.
	Yeah, the ones on the screen.
	I mean, yeah.
	Anyway, so this is the organization, Survivors Against Terror.
	Apparently they were launched in 2018, which I'm slightly skeptical of, as we'll get to in a minute.
	But they were launched as a network of terror survivors against people who have been attacked by terror.
	Just undifferentiated.
	Just terror.
	Floating terror.
	I mean the fact that they've all been terrorized by a particular ideology is not something that we're going to talk about.
	But their funding comes from donations by the public as well as from trusts and foundations because they're a registered charity.
	Now if you're a registered charity that means that you're Finances, financial situation has to be made public.
	And so you can go to the government and have a look.
	And this is interesting because I can't see it.
	So I can't see who's paying the victims of these terror attacks to tell everyone not to be Islamophobic.
	Apparently this is a newly registered charity.
	Yeah, and it doesn't need to update its information until 10 months have passed after the first financial period.
	First financial period, but this 2018?
	Surely you should have had a few financial periods by now.
	It's every year, actually.
	So they must have been founded about a year and a half ago at most, I would suggest.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	This is interesting.
	But they're lying.
	I don't know.
	Clearly they're lying.
	I'm not saying they're lying.
	I'm just saying.
	I mean, it could be a bureaucratic issue on the back end.
	We are dealing with the government's charity commission here.
	If they were founded in 2018?
	I don't know.
	The last five years, whoopsie daisies.
	Yeah, we just forgot to... Six years now.
	Do you remember that woman that called, basically, like, said Susan Hussey was a racist?
	The one who founded that charity and got dressed up like what I can only describe as a fetish priest.
	She was like this woman of, like, Bayesian origin that created this... I don't remember.
	Ngozi Fulani.
	You know the woman who went to the palace with, like, the whole get-up?
	I don't know.
	She thought she was on the set of Black Panther.
	Right.
	And Prince William's godmother asked, OK, where are you from?
	And she was like, that was racist.
	Exactly.
	And I remember people saying, oh, that's so racist.
	I'm like, OK.
	Every person of a West African background is looking at this clown show, like what the hell is going on?
	She chose a tribe as her last name.
	People don't name themselves tribes.
	That's like naming yourself Pencil.
	My mum looked at it and was like, she called herself Ngozi Fulani, so clearly this person is not from there.
	And she had a charity.
	And because she went public with this saying, look at how racist someone was, even though she didn't, they investigated a charity.
	She had to shut it down because there were some anomalies with Declaring of her accounts and I suspect this is probably going the same way.
	I suspect so too.
	But anyway, this charity was founded by a guy called Brendan Cox.
	Brendan Cox is the husband, or was the husband, of Joe Cox, who was actually murdered by a far-right terrorist.
	So that was, I think, an interesting connection.
	And he runs a non-profit, which isn't the charity, called More in Common.
	And what they do, and this is what I think the particularly interesting thing, Convince campaigners, politicians and institutions of the benefits of a Big Tent approach and dissuading them from pursuing culture wars which serve no one.
	We try and shut people up.
	Yeah.
	We try to divert the attention away from... What they're trying to say is, the argument's already settled.
	We have had this discussion.
	We're going to endure Islamist terror attacks forever.
	And so this becomes a war of attrition.
	Be quiet for the sake of diversity, basically.
	Is that exactly what they told the Rochdale Grooming Gang victims?
	Yeah, that's basically what he's saying.
	No, no, no, no.
	That's a culture war.
	We're not engaging in that.
	We've already had that.
	Now we're going to... As if even culture wars don't matter.
	As if you shouldn't live... We all don't live in a culture and it doesn't... Yeah.
	Values.
	Exactly.
	The conflict of values.
	So bizarre.
	But that's one of the things that really jumped out at me because, of course, this is all about a conflict of values.
	You know, there are some people who want to say, look, I think actually maybe the Islamist terrorists are not these free-floating radicals who just happen to keep coming out of this one community.
	And maybe there's a congenital problem in that community.
	And they say, well, that's a culture war and that makes you a racist and that's illiberal to do that.
	And therefore the argument's been settled.
	We're going to do it this way.
	And so what you're going to have to do is just endure all of these terror attacks forever until the Islamists eventually just get tired or run out of bullets or something like that.
	Because there is simply no other option.
	But the vast majority of Muslims do what they do in Muslim countries and take them out themselves.
	In which case, the paradigm has completely shifted.
	And so, when asked about this, the victims say, well, the real problem is the government.
	Have you considered that Callum?
	I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm all on board with saying the real problem is the government, right?
	More than 130 survivors were surveyed by Survivors Against Terror, and they said, yep, the government was the issue.
	For example, one example is Joanne McSorley, who was hit by 31 pieces of shrapnel in the Manchester Arena bombing.
	She told the BBC that she was being degraded by being told to repeatedly prove the severity of her injuries.
	And after six years, the government finally gave her £25,000 as compensation.
	For what?
	For permanently having life-altering disabilities imposed by the Manchester Arena bombing.
	I don't think that's how that works, or it should work.
	Well, she says while I'm housebound, quote, I put my faith in the systems and in the government.
	This was a terror attack, so I thought of course it would be well looked after, but this didn't happen.
	Okay, so maybe your gripe is with the person that carried out the attack?
	One might think so.
	I mean, don't get me wrong.
	Obviously, I do think the UK government should fairly compensate these people.
	Well, no, they should get rid of themselves for failing at their job.
	The British government brought that bomber and his family.
	Who was also of an asylum background.
	I'm just pointing that out.
	And then gave him our money.
	Yep.
	His mum.
	And his mum then gave the money to him to buy the bomb parts.
	And then he went to the arena and the security guard didn't address him because even though he thought he looked suspicious, he didn't want to be accused of being a racist.
	Then he blew up the bomb, killing 22 women and children and wounding many others.
	Joanne McSorley is one of those people and she says, quote, I put my faith in the systems and in the government because I'm not being sufficiently compensated.
	The system is working as intended, my friend.
	Literally, there are no words paid for his bomb to kill people.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm honestly genuinely tremendously sympathetic to this woman, but like, if we can't see how we're trapped in this kind of cycle where, I mean, it's just, I feel like I'm being gassed.
	It's a double whammy because on the one hand, we're not addressing the problem, the internal problems we have with lack of social integration and, you know, the broken asylum system and all of that.
	And on the other hand, we're literally letting in unvetted, mostly single males into the country.
	Yep.
	And then she's got to spend six years arguing with a bureaucrat to get a measly £25,000.
	She might as well have just got a job at Tesco.
	Exactly.
	Well, she can't work.
	Oh, okay.
	She's wounded from the attack that the government is not compensating her for, even though they brought her home.
	Truly, she's on disability benefits.
	She's doubtless on disability benefits, but I think I agree that she's entitled to something, considering the government brought in the attacker, paid for him to be here, paid for him to get the bomb, and ruined her life.
	Ruined her life, yeah.
	And it just, it's awful.
	I mean, the guy who had the narwhal tusk, On the London Bridge attack, Daryl Frost, an actual hero, I would say, has been like, yeah, well, I mean, it's a paper-based postal system.
	You don't get much response or, you know, the interest of every bureaucrat is to do as little work as possible because they are not paid on performance.
	And actually, every single person who they have to deal with Is an issue in their day, is a problem that they would just rather not have to deal with.
	And so, you know, they keep asking for more evidence.
	You feel like you're on trial or scrounging.
	It's like, yep, yep.
	That's how the bureaucracy is going to deal with you.
	And so there's just this total system, recurring system of failure.
	And there's just this entire area of life you're not allowed to talk about.
	We just didn't import people like that guy.
	To be clear for people, like him and his family in this particular case were fighting with an Islamic group against Gaddafi and then we ended up labeling them terrorists after the revolution.
	But we brought him in anyway.
	I was like, right, okay, those guys are clearly going to end up being terrorists.
	Let's give them lots of tax money.
	I don't think people realize how much worse this is about to get.
	I mean, the government had the audacity to brag about clearing the backlog of 67,000.
	By just giving them.
	But seriously, they have, I mean, they just fast-tracked them through, basically didn't, I don't even think they had face-to-face interviews with all of them.
	I'd be shocked if they did.
	But the way to break that circle of failure is just not to start the circle.
	Yes.
	Exactly.
	And to fix the mess you've already created at home.
	But the thing is, I'm genuinely sympathetic to all of these people as well, because they are pawns in this process.
	They are the ones who are the victims of the attacks by people who were never invited in, but the government brought in anyway, and are not even being looked after.
	And all they can do is complain at the government, Because if they identified the source of the terror, that would mean they're being anti-Muslim and they're hateful and they're calling all Muslims extremists and all this sort of stuff.
	So an actual conversation about why two-thirds, three-quarters of government anti-terror activity has to be focused on 6.5% of the population can never be addressed.
	And so that will never change.
	And all they can do is say, well, look, the bureaucrats are doing a bad job, which of course bureaucrats have always done a bad job.
	I would really, I would love to pose this, that exact question you just had to anyone in parliament, right?
	Okay, fine, you've given your speech, so why are two thirds of the government's efforts focused on this particular community?
	Is it just a coincidence?
	And they probably might say that.
	They have to say that.
	They're committed to it because anything else is anti-Muslim hatred.
	To say, well, okay, maybe there's an ethic in that community that they would have to say, no, it can't be a moral question.
	Oh no, look, we shouldn't be focusing on that.
	No, no, but I just want to ask, do you have any idea why?
	Yeah.
	But the thing is then it would be anyone who held that moral system would be implicated and that is illiberal and you can't do that.
	So it's got to be that this is just an unspoken thing and you're a racist.
	I think we need like either a revolution or a dictator.
	I don't think we're going to get either.
	I think that's what we need.
	We need like a dictator for like a good 10 years.
	I don't think I want a dictator.
	Throwing a hat in the ring?
	I feel like we already have a dictator.
	We have a dictatorship of the civil service.
	Is it any different?
	Really?
	Anyway, we'll leave that there I guess.
	For the video comments.
	Yeah.
	Don't have any video comments.
	Well, that makes it easier.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We've got a $100 Super Chat from Blood for the Blood God.
	Thanks, man.
	Oh, that's nice.
	Saying, drinks on me.
	Really appreciate that.
	Arizona Deserat says, hey Callum, what's the date?
	Don't forget the date, Callum.
	What is the date?
	Well, the next comment is from the letter M and he says, I'm being so time zone inclusive.
	People didn't get why I did any of this.
	The whole point was just focus on the things that matter, not the things that don't.
	And the things in video production that matter is good quality video and numbers as a result.
	That was why I did any of this.
	No one got that point, even slightly.
	They were just like, no, say the date autistically.
	I said the date, Matt.
	It really doesn't.
	It does.
	The message is never going to go in their head.
	Morgan says, well hey, Esther's on, let's go.
	Can you ask her to get Isabel Oakeshott on, please?
	Do you know Isabel Oakeshott?
	Oh yeah, yeah, I work with her quite a bit.
	Oh, I might do.
	Swindon's a bit far from her, though.
	I don't really know anything about her, to be honest.
	Anne says, always appreciate when you have Esther on.
	She's polite and funny and has great insights, and that's good.
	Citizen philosopher Detroit says, here in Michigan, everyone recently got a letter in their mailbox from the government asking us to please consider taking immigrants into our homes.
	Supposedly our wise and beneficent governor just decided that she will delegate Michigan to taking more illegal immigrants than we were.
	Previously, I yearn to live alone.
	That's such a brazen ask!
	You know what?
	I had a really uncomfortable encounter with a guy.
	I don't know if he was homeless.
	I don't know what was wrong with him.
	He didn't seem all there.
	He just came and knocked on my window, on my car window while I was with my mother.
	And he was like, Oh, um, can I have some spare change?
	I'm like, I'm sorry.
	I don't have any spare change.
	I'm in London.
	I don't carry around cash for obvious reasons.
	And he was like, Oh, I just need 10 pounds.
	And I was like, okay, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't have money, like cash on me.
	And he was like, but I'm hungry.
	And he literally sounded like a petulant child.
	And I feel like this is, Oh yeah.
	Would you consider just taking in people you don't know?
	Into your house with your family?
	No.
	There's plenty of homeless we could put in there.
	I mean, forget about that.
	I mean, homeless people have just completely been ignored in every conversation about national prosperity and asylum and anything like that.
	They're just like, oh, yeah, we don't have any homeless people in Britain.
	That's why we're important in the lives of others.
	Colin raises a really good question here.
	Less people are killed by illegals than meagles.
	What happened to if it saves one life?
	Yeah.
	Great question.
	That's a good question.
	Now it's about just a balancing act.
	Yeah, exactly.
	500,000 murders.
	Let's add another 250,000 because it's less than 500,000.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Omar says, imagine being a legal immigrant with all the accompanying freebies and privileges and being told that if you work really, really hard, you can become a legal citizen and lose one.
	That's a really good point.
	That's a really good point.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I googled the list of things you could do as an illegal migrant in the US.
	You can get a loan.
	Really?
	You can go to school.
	You can vote in California.
	Exactly.
	I mean, it's just, I'm like, why become a citizen and pay taxes?
	Yeah.
	Why am I paying taxes?
	Exactly.
	Why?
	You know, we should go to France and just come back on a boat.
	I feel like we should.
	And just like adopt new names.
	I mean, you can be Jorge Arbil Martina.
	You can be from Haiti.
	Just saying, I mean, I wouldn't mind a free hotel.
	Yes, I wouldn't mind Dover, a four-star hotel.
	Omar again says, the Democrat position is that problems are bad, but if you consider the pointing out that we aren't stopping, it is worse.
	They don't have a problem with the word illegals, they hate the implicit reminder that the law was broken when they invented the country.
	Yeah.
	Kevin says, the only migrants who helped build America were the English, Mayflower, and the Irish and the Chinese.
	Then the Italians arrived, took control of what had been built.
	Here's the thing though, none of them came in illegally, they all came legally.
	That's true.
	Screwtape Laser says, Esther is correct about the Open Borders team wanting cheap labor, but there is another hidden hand.
	Developers profiting from government subsidized housing.
	The network of pro-immigration NGOs, council members, and developers is tightly connected.
	Yeah, it turns out that 20% of the Conservative Party's funding comes from housing developers.
	Yeah, well, a fifth of the English population are in public housing.
	Yeah, a fifth.
	It's ridiculous.
	So if he says yes, the Venezuelan man who arrived yesterday somehow built the country.
	Yep.
	Arizona Desert Rat says no, high areas with illegal immigration populations are not safer.
	The crime rate in those areas is beyond ridiculous.
	Well, who could have predicted that?
	That's an odd coincidence.
	I mean, it's so weird that they don't have any thought towards the sort of self-selection bias that illegal immigration might generate.
	It's not the good, honest, hard-working people in Venezuela who are like, you know what I need to do?
	Get on a boat, sail across, break across the border, and then scan Gibbs out of the American government.
	Weirdly, it's people fleeing from things.
	And no one is ever questioning, like, if I came into your house and I wanted a cup of tea, but I broke into your house, I'm like, I want a cup of tea.
	No one thinks that that would, how I entered, would somehow indicate my intentions for the country.
	People just say, oh, they just assume that they come in and break into the country because they're all kind of down in the dumps.
	I'm like, how you enter usually sets the tone for what your intentions are.
	It definitely demonstrates the kind of person that you are.
	If you have no, I mean, for one thing, that's a values disconnect.
	You have no regard for the rule of law.
	So that in and of itself should disqualify you ever.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this is the thing that every single one of them is a criminal.
	So why would I have sympathy for them?
	Unbreakable Litany says, I got called a xenophobia by courtesy of my opinion that the delivery economy was not good.
	By my logic, it is an admittance to the title of Xeno.
	Well, that's the thing, isn't it?
	Like just the fact that the delivery economy can so readily integrate um people like this it's just it kind of drives me crazy and i just want to be able to proudly say i've never used delivery so i'm not part of the problem calum have you ever used delivery i used it once guilty yeah back in the early days and uh not even just is it evil it's shit Oh yeah, exactly.
	Your food will come cold.
	The food is usually not great quality, so you're eating crap anyway.
	But even if you order from somewhere you like, right?
	Think about the actual process.
	Now, back in the good old days, when there were delivery boys, they would get a car or an Op-Ed and drive to you in their motor vehicle.
	Now, it's a dude who goes out in the cold on his bike, takes forever to get to the place, so there's probably the food sitting there getting cold before he even gets there.
	And when he gets there, he shoves it in his bike and then bikes to you.
	Which just is not fast.
	The food is always cold.
	I'm also curious how they live because I think like most of the people that I know are finding it hard to get by.
	Not people like loads of kids and like you know loads of just average kind of single 20s 30s people like married or whatever.
	And I'm like, yeah, they feel quite tight.
	And if you're living on like delivery money, clearly you can't pay like normal rent prices.
	So where are you living?
	How are you doing life?
	Like, I don't understand.
	You deal drugs.
	Yeah.
	But you have to have some sort of, there has to be some sort of parallel economy.
	Yeah.
	Oh my God.
	If you're also, I mean, we have, well, we had a hotel full of that.
	I'm not saying it wasn't full of drugs, but we had a hotel full of migrants and the thing is we were paying for them to live there.
	And so if you haven't got any rent costs, if you haven't got any electric costs, if your food's being paid for by the UK government, then actually maybe the delivery economy, it's, you know, say you earn like a hundred quid a night or something, that's a hundred quid you didn't have before, right?
	Yeah, that you don't have to pay taxes on.
	Exactly.
	I think one night we did actually sit and run the numbers, me and Josh or something, because of course they get their payment per month, the dental, everything, all of that's paid for, so they've got their small payment, but their food's all paid for anyway.
	So it's like, okay, so you've got that much coming in, and then if you did deliver it, and even if you split like 75-25 with the guy who sets you up illegally, those guys are actually on more than the average person, because they're not paying any tax, and everything's paid for.
	Yeah, yeah, no, you're completely right.
	Yeah, the people running this country hate it.
	This is a really great point by that Texas gal.
	She says, I don't hear it talked about often, but the reason that so many of these horrible criminals are Venezuelan is because their socialist government emptied out all their prisons and asylums and then put them on buses and shipped them to our border.
	Yeah, and now the Americans are taking oil from Venezuela.
	They've literally sold out, even though a few years ago they were energy independent.
	Isn't it incredible?
	They've regressed to empower a regime that's now pumping their borders full of People with malicious intent, let's put it that way.
	Can we do this?
	What, could we like, what, empty out a country of... Empty our prisons and send them to America?
	Well, there was a plan to send them to Estonia, because we don't have enough... Our prisons are literally at capacity.
	But I think the Estonians don't want our criminals.
	I just want to be a pariah state at this point.
	If we're going to be a joke or a pariah, I'd rather be the pariah.
	You know what, let's go down with dignity.
	Back to my point, we need a dictatorship for 10 years.
	You see, everything comes around fools.
	I've thought about this.
	I'm just saying it might be considered treasonous if we advocate for dictatorships.
	What's the difference between that and the civil service?
	I'm advocating for the Prime Minister, leave me alone.
	Well yeah, exactly.
	I just want an unelected man to be installed in charge of the entire country, like Rishi Sunak.
	You said it, not me.
	Talking about the pariah state thing, did I tell you about the joke I DMed Josh had?
	There you go.
	So we were thinking, if you're going to be a pariah state, we should try and purposely get the stupidest clown world laws possible.
	Okay.
	So, think when we ban the XL bullies.
	At the same time, the Yemen stuff was kicking off, so we were thinking, what if we deport all XL bullies to Yemen?
	Bullies to Yemen, yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We're not bad enough to be bombed by the Saudis.
	It could be like a new version of Clone Talk.
	Unleash waves of exile bullies over the border.
	Actually, they can't have pork in Yemen, I was going to say.
	But Sean sends us a sweet chat and says, don't forget the theft from the Haiti relief funds by Hillary Clinton's foundation in the billions.
	I'm also concerned about the fact that the Clinton Foundation had someone literally arrested for child trafficking.
	Alistair says, talking of Haiti's dirt cookies, that bastion of prosperity China has a region where they literally use stones in food.
	Yep, I've seen that.
	They're so poor they just add lots of seasoning and little veg, some river pebbles, and they suck the stones to get the flavor off.
	China also serves grilled ice.
	I've literally seen that, yeah.
	And the stones are like, they're like very smooth pebbles.
	So they don't take just any stones, they take premium stones.
	Okay.
	And then they season it up and then stir fry it, and then like people suck on it.
	Sounds delicious.
	Yeah.
	It's a fad.
	Nutritionally useless.
	I don't know.
	It's just a dumb fad.
	If you can make money from it, that's the main principle.
	I mean, I'm sure it made a lot of money on TikTok.
	Matt says, even the most racial determinist and hateful neo-Nazi would probably be less condescending towards Haitians than Conan in those videos.
	Dear God.
	Yeah, it was embarrassing.
	He didn't even try.
	Just a picture in the water with a coconut.
	I just can't even imagine what the mindset of a person like that is.
	Like, right, what are you doing today, Conan?
	I'm going to one of the poorest countries on earth and I'm going to pretend to my bourgeois, millennial, left-wing US audience that it's actually great and basically a first world holiday destination.
	But why are you doing that?
	Because he's so privileged.
	That's what extreme privilege looks like.
	That's Trump derangement syndrome, though.
	Well, there's that as well.
	The only reason any of them were doing any of those things, or like, how could you say this, is because they hate Trump.
	They hate Trump so much that, like, all reason has walked out the door.
	Haiti is a wonderful place.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Haiti is great already.
	I'm pretty sure the child mortality rate is like 13 kids in 100.
	Matt exactly hits your point there.
	This faux outrage about the shithole countries is one of the examples of Trump derangement syndrome.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're just being fake.
	Yeah.
	I mean, trust Trump to put it as inelegantly as possible by saying it's a shithole country, which he really should have said, maybe we should be questioning these people's values, their economics.
	Well, yeah, but I think he would have said that in public as well.
	I think he's brazen enough to say that in public and just laugh it off.
	Yeah.
	The thing is, even if you made the reasonable case, I don't even think people will listen.
	It's racist.
	Imagine if he was asked today while he's doing some campaign speech and someone says, do you still think Haiti's a shithole?
	Well, would you go there?
	It's not like China, which I love.
	I love China.
	I don't love Haiti, though.
	Would you go there?
	It's worse.
	Well, they're eating each other now, so I think it's shitter.
	You know, it's gotten worse since I said that.
	Worse.
	General Highpayments, know when your Haiti travel video is going to come out.
	Fuck that.
	Yeah, that's going to be good.
	It's like, I'm waiting to go to war zones, but I don't want to get barbecued for being white.
	Sincerely, I have a policy for my travels, which I like.
	It's exotic meat!
	I have a policy for my travels, which is I like going places with order.
	So the Taliban, for example... An infrastructure!
	Well, the Taliban actually really do have kept order in Afghanistan.
	They have tourists!
	Every 200 meters, there's guys with guns.
	So if anyone starts something, they get their arms chopped off.
	You go there with your arms showing as a woman?
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, you're gonna be... They're sorted!
	Exactly.
	But also in Russia, like, if you go to the war zone, very orderly place.
	Oh, okay.
	Like, the military were everywhere.
	But Haiti...
	Yeah, no.
	Mr. Barbecue isn't recruiting enough.
	Sean sends another super chat.
	Thanks, man.
	Saying, yes, let's send all our female leaders on bike tours of Islamic countries.
	They can absorb all that peace.
	That's been tried, and it turns out that a lot of them don't return.
	So we won't advocate for that.
	But Caroline says, this is wrong, Carl.
	The other half just started working as a welding tutor.
	And according to the government's safeguarding literature, you really have to watch the kids for right wing extremism.
	One of the signs given was interest in joining the army.
	Amazing.
	Yeah.
	How dare they?
	Again, there's just this one stat that always comes up, which is more Muslims joined ISIS than the British Army.
	Yeah, it's very depressing.
	That's not just the Army, it also includes the Air Force and the Navy.
	Yeah, the British Armed Forces.
	Sorry.
	That's even worse.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, it's kind of crazy and it makes you wonder.
	Furious Dan says, when Carl says the victims of terrorism have been employed to make propaganda, I imagine a team of British Soviet necromancers behind the scenes.
	Yes, basically.
	I mean, it's genuinely disgusting.
	I'm going to guess that the government is paying the survivors of terrorism to browbeat and bribe.
	It wouldn't be the first time they've done it.
	I mean, they gave massive subsidies to media outlets during COVID to terrify the British public.
	And there are loads of independent media outlets that are still suing the government saying, hey, we didn't get anything.
	Where's that?
	Yeah.
	Ryan says, don't worry, the government has the true solution, protect Muslim communities with taxpayer money.
	This is their priority.
	Yep.
	Yes.
	Quite annoying.
	North FC Zuma says, how do they know the vast majority deplore this kind of violence?
	Well, they have polled them and it wasn't something like 20% or 30% that thought that ISIS was justified in some way.
	And so two thirds were like, well, I'm not sure I agree with ISIS.
	Good news.
	Great news.
	Kevin says, the far right in my mind is basically the magician's assistant.
	You know, the scantily clad dolly bird who is brought out to distract you from whatever the magician is doing.
	Actually doing.
	I mean, it doesn't exist.
	There is no English liberation on it.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	Oh, no, that's disgusting.
	Well, there are a bunch of guys with sticks, yeah.
	I'm just, I mean, no, I'm not going to say anything.
	Matt says, frankly, I don't think the victims of Muslim terrorism actually have a moral right to elect to the broader public on their safety by virtue of their victimhood.
	I'm sorry for what happened to you, but I'm not obligated to compromise my safety and that of my friends and family to spare your sensibilities regardless of your past.
	I'm not sure if it is their sensibilities.
	You would think there would be more outrage by the potential of other people going through what they went through.
	Yeah, that would be a normal thing.
	Like, people call it the don't look back in anger narrative.
	Yeah, and it's just like, no, you should be pretty angry.
	Yeah, I would if I like, I'm missing a leg because of some guy at a concert.
	We went through it.
	The Middle East Eye, weirdly enough, had the story and all the evidence that was orchestrated by the government.
	The Don't Look Back in Anger, the hashtags you see at these events, the random group of Imams who turned up at London Bridge with all the same A4 paper.
	It's kind of like the same Truth and Reconciliation Commission in South Africa right after apartheid.
	They're trying to galvanise the best in society.
	Like, okay, you can have that, but there has to be some sort of... You have to concede something.
	You can't just have reconciliation based on what.
	But it's worse than that, because this is an active element of the British state.
	And I can only think of one example that got picked up in the UK as an act of far-right terrorism, anti-Muslim terrorism, which is Darren Osborne driving into that mosque.
	No such campaign was tried.
	Was it in Finsbury Park?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I mean, could you even think of the discussion at the Home Office?
	Well, we need to make sure people don't blame the English for what Baron Osborne did.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	That's a really good point.
	I never saw that.
	People in charge of the government actively orchestrate that if you're blown up by a Muslim terrorist, you should shut up.
	And if it's anything else, it's allowed to be discussed and a story.
	I mean, it's obviously drawn from total fear.
	I imagine there are conversations in the home office that go something like, okay, if when we're bending over backwards to do everything that we can for this community, they're responsible for two thirds of all the terror attacks.
	Imagine what it'd be like if we would criticize them.
	Well the thing is, if you want to make the argument that the community isn't responsible for those terror attacks and the average Muslim person isn't responsible for a guy blowing up a concert, obviously that's true, fine.
	Then you need to come up with how are we going to isolate and remove these people from these communities and also how are we going to stop it so that these particular communities don't keep breeding these kinds of people with these hateful ideas.
	You're not giving any solutions, you're just giving empty platitudes.
	As if the average person is going to see someone in a hijab and be like, oh, yeah, this person is connected with the person who blew up kids at an Ariana Grande concert.
	Obviously not.
	But if you're not giving solutions, stop talking because you're just annoying everyone else.
	Yeah.
	And also, it just looks disgusting.
	It's like, yeah, OK, you may have crippled me for life, but, you know, we don't need to be big.
	Exactly.
	No hate.
	Actually, I think that might be one of those times where it's hard to criticize someone for holding retrograde opinions.
	We are out of time, so I suppose we'll end it there.
	Where would people find you?
	Twitter, my website, and Instagram.
	Yeah, that's me.
	I hate social media, but I have to do it.
	You'll want to say it just for people who are listening as well.
	We get a lot of audio listeners.
	Oh yeah, sorry, Esther Kriku, Esther K underscore K on Twitter, and my same, Esther K on Instagram, I think.
	Yeah, that's it.
	There we are.
	Otherwise, bye!

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