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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Logitech Seaters.
	And today I'm joined by Carl and special guest Sara Garvey.
	Me.
	I don't know if you want to introduce yourself.
	Yeah, I am Sara Garvey.
	They call me a social commentator and general person who ruffles people's feathers.
	Which is why you're here.
	Which is why I'm here.
	I don't pander to anyone.
	I'm very individualistic and gets me a lot of followers and a lot of haters at the same time.
	So yeah, that's me.
	That's me.
	That's who I am.
	The only way to live, really.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying.
	But anyway, today we'll be talking about what is white privilege.
	MPs are in fear for their lives and the current thing is getting people killed.
	But I have a couple of announcements to make as well, which is firstly, Karen Robinson, his show Common Sense Crusade will be back tomorrow.
	So, oh no, it's this afternoon.
	No, it's today.
	Yes.
	Why am I in charge of dates?
	I have no idea!
	Just look at a calendar, Callum.
	For once.
	Anyway, so 3pm, so after this, go and get some tea and biscuits and come back at 3pm UK time and enjoy Kelvin's show.
	Otherwise, I have one more announcement to make, which is Lads Hour, of course, is moved to Friday, so tomorrow, actually tomorrow, there will be Lads Hour at 3pm UK time, and we'll be discussing whether or not things are left and right wing.
	This has been a long time.
	I just want to tell you about this because it's funny.
	It's this Czech president and because he runs the Czech Republic...
	So he just makes up this theory about- You can't say that, how do you know that?
	Go on.
	Because he said it.
	Because of this theory.
	Oh, he said it, okay.
	He said it himself, he was like, there's not enough to do.
	Nah.
	So, a Czech guy we used to work with told us about it, and what he did is he sat down and decided what things were left and right wing in the same way that things have genders in like French.
	He just decided?
	Yeah, so for example, dogs are right wing, cats are left wing.
	So, we're gonna go through a whole bunch of stuff.
	I see, it's not wrong though, is it?
	Wow.
	But anyway, this has been a long time coming.
	That's funny.
	Let's get into the first topic, which is, what is white privilege?
	So this is going to be interesting.
	Yeah, it is.
	I wanted to actually bring it up with you, Karl, right?
	Because I watched you in Zubi and I watched a conversation between you and Zubi, which there were some things that I disagreed on.
	You were talking about white supremacy, you were talking about white privilege.
	And I think that when it comes to white supremacy and white privilege, I think that a lot of people are confused about what it is.
	And sometimes it is rubbished.
	And there's like a theme that I have that it's schizophrenic and bipolar at the same time.
	So white supremacy, white privilege, whatever you want to call it, racism, blah, blah, blah, is kind of schizophrenic and bipolar at the same time, which is why we are constantly talking about it and also constantly confused about it.
	Okay.
	Um, lay out the thesis then.
	So, okay.
	So the thesis of what I saw, let's talk about what happened on the podcast.
	So you said, no, it might've been Zuby actually.
	Let me see.
	Zuby said, no, you said that the term white supremacy is predicated on the fact that white people are better than others.
	Yeah.
	To be a white supremacist, you have to think that.
	Right.
	So my thing is, As human beings, we're all equal, right?
	No one is better than anybody else.
	However, white supremacy are actions, not so much what people think.
	So, if I give you an example, right?
	I'm gonna read a quote.
	Right.
	And it says we've led Africa for four and a half centuries.
	We looted their raw materials.
	Then we told lies that the Africans were good for nothing.
	In the name of religion, we destroyed their culture.
	And after being made rich at their expense, we now steal their brains through miseducation and propaganda to prevent them from enacting black retribution against us.
	Who do you think said that?
	Martin Luther King?
	No.
	President Jack Chirac of France, who served three terms, I think, at least three terms.
	When he said that, just out of interest.
	Well, after serving his terms in office.
	So it was after he's seen certain things that I'm not privy to, you're not privy to.
	I'm thinking about the Algerian War of Independence.
	Say again?
	I'm thinking about the Algerian War of Independence.
	Well, when he would have said it.
	Yeah, because I'm thinking the French basically had to admit, yeah, we done goofed big time with the Algerians, if no one else.
	And the French still are as well.
	Well, this is the thing.
	So this is why I talk about the reason why I think white supremacy is confusing, because what it is, is what President Jack Chirac said.
	What it isn't, is what the walkies and the lefties are always talking about.
	Oh, everything's never got a job because it's white supremacy.
	I don't think that's what it is.
	I think my thing is, White supremacy needs to be called out where it does exist and not rubbished because what happens is it kind of negates what it is, basically.
	It negates what it is.
	So are you saying that white supremacy primarily exists in the realm of geopolitical events?
	A lot of it does.
	Right.
	A lot of it does.
	And, um, because my thing about from, from studying what white supremacy is, right.
	So I always have a little, a little experiment.
	I would say to you, are you racist?
	I don't consider myself to be.
	Right.
	I would say that's fine, by the way.
	I would say, do you know any racist people?
	No, not to my knowledge.
	Right, okay, so you don't know any racist people.
	Do you believe racist people exist?
	Well, no, actually, okay, I do know of people who are self-avowed racists, yes.
	Right, so you do believe racist people exist?
	Yeah.
	So what happens when I ask that question generally to white people is that they say the same things generally.
	They say, oh, I'm not racist and I'm not around racists.
	And I'm like, okay, cool.
	But do you think racist people exist?
	And they say, yeah.
	And I say, well, where are they then?
	Right?
	So it's like white supremacy or racism becomes this mythological creature that everybody speaks about and admits exists, but no one knows where it is.
	I think the issue is the term racist has become synonymous with the term bad.
	Right, so essentially when you say, are you a racist?
	What you're saying to the person is, are you a bad person?
	And of course, no one really thinks of themselves as a bad person.
	And so everyone says no.
	Everyone around me is a good person, therefore a non-racist.
	Because it seems to be that racism is taken to mean many things, but one of those things being a sort of personal intolerance of people of other races.
	But of course, like, you know, I don't see any of that around.
	But then it gets abstracted into Broad view, categorical views of civilizations.
	And so it occupies many layers at the same time.
	And so someone always takes it on the personal level as you as you've introduced it there and says, well, I don't.
	find myself irrationally hating people of other races.
	Right.
	So I'm not a racist.
	Right.
	But then if you, but then conversely, you, you've put it in the realm of geopolitical events.
	Geopolitical.
	So it's disconnected from them.
	So like you say, it is kind of abstracted away and it's sort of mythological.
	So everyone's like, I don't know where it is.
	I don't know what it is.
	It exists.
	It doesn't exist.
	And so when, for me, when president like Jack Chirac says that, um, I don't know if you know who Aaron Connor Chimminbori Kuo is.
	I don't.
	She's a former ambassador to the African Union.
	Right.
	So she worked for the African Union.
	She no longer works there.
	And she speaks a lot about what the French done.
	Right.
	And Jack Chirac's already said that this is what they've done.
	Aaron Carneshim and Bori Kwo says that during the 1950s, and you can actually research this, that a pact to recolonize Africa was enacted by the French to the Francophone countries.
	And there were two countries that said no.
	There was Mali and there was Guinea.
	So Mali and Guinea said, no, we're not going to sign that pact.
	And then what the French proceeded to do was to pour concrete into the sewage systems of Mali and Guinea, right?
	And just leave.
	And it's like, okay, but the French haven't...
	had any retribution or any punishment for that type of crime against humanity.
	If we done it in London, if the Chinese decided to pour concrete in London's sewage system, it's an act of war.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	And so it's like, what happens is people, they downplay what white supremacy actually is in, and what they do is that they replace it with things that, Oh, this thing is too white.
	Hmm.
	Do you know what I mean?
	And I'm like, no, no, that's not what white supremacy is.
	That's what white supremacy is and not that.
	If anything, it makes talking about white supremacy in European countries a bit redundant, right?
	Go on.
	Because geopolitically, Europeans aren't doing things to themselves.
	But they are going over to Africa and doing whatever, like the French have got a weird thing with the currency in North Africa at the moment where it's essentially dependent on the economic situation in France.
	They print the money of Africa.
	And you definitely could make an argument that, I mean, white supremacy I think is a terrible term to use for anything because it's just inherently divisive, even if it is descriptive.
	Why do you say it's divisive?
	Well, because people feel like they're being attacked for being a racist when you say it, but you are trying to describe a series of events.
	Yes.
	Right?
	So that immediately puts people on the back foot.
	But if you would say, well, look, giving this specific example of France and the currency in like wherever, Guinea-Bissau, wherever it was.
	If you say, well, look, European interference is hamstringing the economy of this country, then suddenly a person isn't like, oh, I'm not a racist, because that's just a true statement.
	That's not a statement about them.
	Right.
	And so then you could talk about that event And how that's unfair, right?
	So that's a post-colonial exploitation of an African country.
	And you absolutely could talk about that in clear terms that people aren't going to get their back up about.
	Because that's the thing.
	I think the problem with using terms like white supremacy is it comes with a judgment against the person that you're using it, and not you personally, but the other person's use case.
	And it just prevents any meaningful and constructive dialogue from being done.
	And that's why I wanted to talk about it because I think that it needs to be highlighted with what it actually is and because we know what it isn't.
	Yeah.
	I think we know like when people start speaking about, oh, they never got a job.
	White supremacy.
	It's like, shut up.
	Be quiet.
	That's not what white supremacy is.
	Right.
	And so it's like, but when it is what it is, I think it should be spoken about.
	Like, for instance, I had, I was watching TV show the other day, talking about William Wilberforce, right?
	William Wilberforce and Great Britain, you know, saying, no, we abolish slavery.
	1807, right?
	So in 1807, the British abolished slavery.
	Would you say that's a good thing?
	I would say so.
	So would I. Right?
	So.
	You laugh, right?
	But this is what I'm talking about, what white supremacy actually is, because I talk about the bipolar and schizophrenic nature of it.
	So 1807 we abolished slavery.
	And we abolished the trade in 1807.
	We abolished the trade.
	And slavery was 1833.
	1833.
	So 1807 the trade, 1833.
	If we go to 1833 when they said absolutely nothing, right?
	1833. 1833. So 1807 the trade, 1833.
	If we go to 1833 when they said absolutely nothing, right?
	You know what the Berlin Conference is?
	Not offhand.
	The Berlin Conference is a conference where 13 European nations – you had the Ottoman Empire, which isn't European, but you had France, Germany, Spain.
	Or the colonial powers, the scramble for Africa.
	And they scrambled for Africa.
	But I would say that you just re-enslaved people.
	So you can't abolish slavery and then re-enslave a continent.
	For me, that's the schizophrenic, bipolar nature of what it is.
	Because if I say I no longer have a problem with you, I don't have a problem with you, and I've been historically hurting you and your family, and I stop.
	You might say, thank you very much Zahra, don't do that.
	But then if two weeks later I get all my guys and I kick your door down and I take over your house, you're like, whoa, I thought you stopped messing with me.
	I think the issue is that there is a distinction between what an individual suffers and then the political context of international politics, right?
	So I agree that On an international level, it could be characterized that imperium, as in one group over another group, could be characterized as a form of slavery, but in a technical sense, it's actually not slavery.
	Because what it is, is essentially vassalage.
	How to describe it?
	The sort of thing that Russia is trying to do with Ukraine, right?
	It's not going to literally enslave Ukrainians, but it is going to put them within the political power of Russia.
	I mean, you say that, but during colonization, that's exactly what happened.
	On the land, King Leopold of Belgium done it.
	He enslaved the people of the Congo and got them to get rubber.
	Cecil Rhodes done it to people in South Africa.
	You actually literally enslaved people.
	Sometimes.
	You can't say it's not the same.
	It's sometimes, but there are other cases where it's not.
	For example, in Uganda, what we did is we had them as a protector, and so we took the largest ethnic group in Uganda, and they had a king, and we politically supported them.
	And so they were Neocolonialism.
	Well, no, no, that was during the process of the Scramble for Africa.
	And so there are particular places, but then there are other places where it's not that the people were necessary.
	I mean, like Leopold is the worst example, probably, of that sort of thing happening.
	But then there are sort of various protectorates and administrations where the British run the place as they think it should be run, but the people aren't actually slaves.
	I mean, you're not wrong.
	That sounds like a Disney version.
	If I'm honest, it sounds like a Disney version.
	There are versions that you're talking about.
	I'm not saying that Cecil Rhodes didn't do this.
	I'm not saying Leopold didn't do this.
	It's just not the sum total of it.
	So, like...
	Sorry, go on, let me leave.
	But either way, it's not nice to have been conquered by someone else.
	Right.
	I mean, this is the primary...
	My primary desire for Brexit was simply to get out from under the heel of the French and the Germans.
	And so even if you were on the sort of lighter side of the yoke of a foreign entity, it's still not good to be on it.
	You would prefer to be sovereign.
	Of course.
	So, I mean, I'm not contesting that that's not the case, but to say, right, that's all slavery.
	It allows people who want to challenge that, actually it gives them quite a break.
	A broad brush.
	No, no, it gives them sort of a wedge in to prise that apart, right?
	Because they can say, yeah, well, okay, why are these black kingships flourishing so well under British protection and stuff like this?
	And so suddenly it's not that all Africans were enslaved by Europeans, even after the end of abolitionist slavery.
	I would say that the reason, probably the reason why those African kings were flourishing under British leadership is because With the Scramble for Africa and with the Scramble for the Resources, they got a portion of it.
	So they benefited from all of this.
	Do you know what I mean?
	But essentially, when you Scramble for Africa, like Jack Chirac said, one of the things that he said in there is that they used religion.
	Now, I'm not a religious person.
	Do you know what I mean?
	I don't have a horse in the race.
	But I think that what white supremacy is, Right?
	We know what it isn't.
	What it actually is, is I was raised a Christian, right?
	And I can read Revelation 1 verse 14.
	And I can see that Jesus Christ, who I don't believe in, was described as a man with burnt bronze skin and white woolen hair.
	Okay.
	That's not the image we get.
	The image, if I was to Google Jesus Christ for you right now, you'd be a blonde haired, blue eyed dude, white skinned, right?
	So I think that what white supremacy is, is being able to see a I mean, I agree with what you're saying.
	I mean, this has long been known, like Aristotle was probably the first thing men make gods in their own image, right?
	And so, you know, gods from Europe look white, gods from Africa look black, gods from China look Chinese, et cetera, et cetera.
	And so, and you are right that as a function of the power, the imperium of Europe over the rest of the world, Of course, you know, the things they believe flow outwards and across the world.
	That's obviously true.
	And so you could describe that as a form of white supremacy, but then I think that's why people aren't in favor of empires now.
	Right, um, I don't believe empires are essentially bad.
	I believe that so... No, because empires are... All right, let me try and flesh that one out, um, before people clip... I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not, I'm not necessarily saying they are either, but I think that if we came back to the, it's never fun to be conquered by another people.
	Yeah.
	Then in a way, it kind of is always bad.
	When I mean empire, I mean the building of your empire for your people, by your people, to make yourself great.
	Not at the extent of other people, if that makes sense.
	So that's why I don't think it's bad.
	So if Great Britain built up Great Britain at the extent, not at the extent of other people, it would be great.
	Empire, fantastic.
	Within our islands.
	Within your islands, it'd be great.
	do you know what I mean?
	If Nigeria done the same thing, it would be great.
	So that's why I think empire is great.
	What I don't think is great is when you export that empire to try and kill and harm and maim other people.
	The problem is empires are defined by one ethnic group having dominion over another.
	So fortunately, so you, I wouldn't characterize what you're describing as empire.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Nation.
	Yeah.
	Nation's a much better way of framing it, because that doesn't imply that you're conquering other people to get the resources.
	And obviously, I totally agree.
	That's why I call myself a nationalist.
	And I have done.
	I've called myself like a black nationalist.
	People are like, oh, I'm not trying to kill anyone.
	Yeah, I just want to actually build something.
	Is that okay?
	I want to help black people.
	Even if you look at my channels, go back to my channel, my channel is kind of Yeah.
	dedicated to not dedicated but there's a lot of videos on me telling black people hey stop being stupid stop doing the whole drill and drug dealing and whore culture type stuff and do better for ourselves right and a lot of the time in my personal point of view i've been called a quote unquote coon for that right because to be black yeah in a lot of people's eyes is to actually feed into that culture That is terrible though, isn't it?
	For me, it's ridiculous, right?
	Because I'm saying, listen, we can do better than that, right?
	But what I've noticed is that when you say, oh, I'm a national, I'm not an empire like you just described, but I'm about nation.
	Everyone's about their own people.
	They should be.
	They should be about their own people.
	To me, that's not a problem.
	All you're describing is wanting the best for the people that are your family, your friends, your community, right?
	Who would be on the other side of this?
	And then, okay, well, what do you have to do to get the best for your things?
	Well, you have to build wealth.
	You have to build discipline.
	You have to work hard.
	100%.
	Demonstrate excellence.
	100%.
	And like you say, these are not traits that are confined to any one race or community.
	Anyone can do this, and it's a choice.
	It is a conscious choice in your own head if you're going to pursue excellence or not.
	You know, as an outsider looking into the black community, I can see behaviors in the black community that are not... That are detrimental.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I wouldn't want my own son to behave in these ways.
	Exactly.
	Neither would I. Exactly.
	And so it's like, well, you know, and what frustrates me is the politically correct class when they're like, oh, you're just a racist.
	It's like, no, actually I'm, I'm suggesting that if this was my kid, I would pull him in and say, don't do this son.
	See, the thing, like I was saying to you before, the thing about, unfortunately, about the history of white people and the history of empire, Europe has had empires, they have gone out to conquer, and so it's harder for white people to say something factual, even though it may be factual, than it is for other people because, oh, you're only saying that because you're a racist.
	That's why it's very easy for white people to get labeled a racist.
	I don't know if you are or you aren't.
	I don't, like, if you are, you are.
	If you're not, you're not.
	But what I'm saying is factual information to me is always going to be factual information.
	I don't care.
	Ben Shapiro famously said, facts don't care about your feelings.
	It is what it is.
	Do you know what I mean?
	So I just think it's harder, which is why I would say, if I'm thinking about it now, which is why a lot of white people are quite tentative to say certain things.
	They're scared to say certain things for fear of being viewed a certain way.
	Totally.
	And I think the stigma is not helping anyone at all.
	Because like you say, Normally it would be social pressure that stigmatizes certain kinds of behaviors.
	But if there's a certain group that you're not allowed to exert social pressure on, just criticism, say, that's rubbish, why are you doing that?
	You're going to end up with all these negative things.
	But if there's a barrier that says, no, you can't say that against those people because of the color of their skin, how does that help those people?
	You know, how does that help those people change their behavior?
	It doesn't.
	And I've said black people currently find themselves at the bottom of the social economic ladder globally, which is why as somebody who's part of that quote unquote group, I'm an individual.
	I have to say to them, look, let's do better than that, right?
	If we find ourselves at the bottom, let's band together.
	And I think it's normal.
	Like I spoke to you last time, right?
	And I was like, it's normal.
	People have got teams.
	It's totally normal.
	Build your team up, right?
	And play the game.
	That's it.
	Build your team up.
	Stop worrying about, because I actually saw the other day, it was on GB News.
	There was a lady, I forget her name.
	She wears her hair, it always slits down.
	Black lady.
	She was on GB News anyway, but they were talking about the countryside and how it was too white, right?
	And how the countryside was too white.
	Do you feel the countryside's too white?
	And I was like, uh, in my head I was like, you're living in a majority white country, right?
	You're going to get places that a lot of white people are, right?
	So for you to attempt to, let's say shame people for having their I don't know their alcohols, right?
	Or whiteness doesn't make any sense to me, but I'm going to say something controversial.
	We can clip out for YouTube.
	No, it's fine.
	I'm going to say something controversial.
	The people that can, the black people for me that complained about racism and white supremacy all the time are the black people that want to be let into parties that they just want to get into.
	Cause it's like, look, the Russians are allowed to do their thing.
	The Chinese are allowed to do their thing.
	I'm not going to go into a Russian party and be like, there's not enough black people here, mate.
	Don't you think?
	It's a Russian party, brother.
	What are you talking about?
	What are you talking about?
	The people that complain about it, for me, are the people that want to be letting and jig with the other people.
	And I'm like, you don't have to.
	You can build your own.
	It doesn't mean you hate other people.
	And that's what I want to get across, actually.
	I think the problem comes with hate.
	I think that all peoples are allowed to be themselves.
	I think white people of all denominations, whether you be Irish or Russian or whatever, are allowed to have that.
	The problem comes when you hate people, when you're in that space.
	Do you see a lot of hatred from the English community towards other communities?
	The English don't like the French much.
	Okay, well that's different.
	The English don't like the French much, I know that much.
	Do you see English people on TV or in politics or anything saying, I hate black people?
	No, I don't see that.
	But like I was saying, the thing about this is that as somebody who's grown up black, there is a level of paranoia That exists within a lot of black people.
	And the reason why the paranoia exists is because of the confusion.
	Like I said, like the bipolar schizophrenic nature of saying one thing, doing another, doing another thing, saying another thing.
	So.
	Oh, we'll abolish slavery, but we'll get your continent.
	Oh, we'll be cool with you, but we'll take all your resources.
	So it's like, okay, listen, I don't want to be paranoid, but that is not consistent.
	Okay.
	It's not consistent in what you're saying.
	And so.
	No, I don't see white people saying, oh, I hate all black people.
	But then you start to look at the governmental structure and say, OK, well, what are these governmental structures doing in these black countries to these black people with the black resources?
	Because the world lives off Africa.
	If we're honest with ourselves, like even we've got our tablets and laptops here now, it's got Cobalt and Cotan in it.
	That's 85% of the Cobalt and Cotan from the Congo.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what I mean?
	And so it's like the resources of Africa fund the world.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what I mean?
	I'm not saying you're wrong.
	I'm just saying if the resources of Africa fund the world, are those resources always got?
	No, I would suggest they're not.
	And I think that the main problem is not imperialism now, but it's corruption, right?
	Right.
	So I think the one problem that I think a lot of African countries really struggle with is the fact that not just Europeans either essentially buy off their leaders and allow them to take these resources at rock-bottom prices.
	Right.
	And this keeps Africa as a continent very poor.
	But then you have people like, I don't know, Ibrahim Traore, who's the youngest president in the world now.
	Is this the guy?
	Or from Burkina Faso.
	That's it, yeah.
	So what he's got... He's got a scar on his face, hasn't he?
	He's got a scar on his face.
	Yeah, he looks mean, though.
	He looks like he's been through some pain.
	Yeah, right.
	And I bet he has.
	People are saying that he's like the spirit of Thomas Sankara.
	I don't know if you know Thomas Sankara.
	I don't.
	Who's like, I don't know, the ancestors have come back again in him, right?
	And what it is, is that he's had to oust the French and stop the French from doing a lot in the country, right?
	And like you said, people would say, some people are saying, oh, he shouldn't do that.
	And I'm like, well, Jack Chirac just said, he said that's what they've been doing.
	He's trying to stop it.
	And so, yeah, it's like, Honestly, I'm just hearing Brexit.
	That's all I'm hearing.
	I'm just hearing Brexit.
	I don't want the French and the Germans getting our money.
	What is that face?
	I've been silent because I'm trying to listen and learn.
	I've heard very little I agree with, I'll be honest.
	I mean, even that, just I find strange.
	It's the same impulse.
	The Russian helping you do a coup.
	I mean, I agree.
	The desire for self-determination.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's what they're about.
	When they did the Brexit vote, we weren't getting it.
	I remember we met Kordomiecki, this Polish politician, and his advice was go and get some generals.
	I mean, you know, fair enough.
	But I just... I don't know what any of this has to do with white privilege.
	I'm so confused.
	Because white supremacy is a... it's a...
	Normally implemented by a geopolitical structure.
	Not so much you.
	I'm not going to say you're a white supremacist, right?
	This is your example, but I just don't get that either.
	That's not white supremacy.
	That's just geopolitics.
	You can do that to white people or brown people.
	It doesn't actually matter.
	Yeah, but that's why the term white supremacy isn't useful, right?
	Because what it is, is European imperialism.
	It doesn't have to be European.
	No, no, it doesn't have to be.
	It's just in this particular case.
	I mean, many countries have engaged in imperialism in the past.
	Some of them are European, some of them aren't.
	Sure, I mean, Africa's problem is going to be China, right?
	That would be Chinese imperialism.
	If China took over the rest of the world, it would be Chinese imperialism.
	You wouldn't call it Chinese imperialism, you'd just call it imperialism.
	It would depend on the circumstances, but if they're coming in in the way, say, the French did, and setting up a Chinese protectorate and whatnot, I would agree that's imperialism.
	But a lot of what I see the Chinese doing, for example, I don't actually... I disagree with the right on this.
	them setting up debt traps, et cetera.
	The Chinese are pretty stupid in this regard.
	Like they're usually doing the kind of bare minimum to just extract some stuff that wasn't going to be extracted either way.
	So I just, I don't think that actually fits the term imperialism, just business. - So if China was to take over huge swathes of the world with war with their army, would you call that Chinese imperialism? - If you do it with war, yeah.
	Right.
	And I think that's what has happened with Africa.
	That's why it's called white supremacy or European imperialism, because it was done with war.
	Yeah.
	It wasn't just like, oh, how you doing, mate?
	It's imperialism for the French or the British or whoever else.
	But the idea that it's European or white, I just... But they are white.
	It's by default, you know?
	Yeah, it's just not very relevant.
	Well, it kind of ropes in people like the Norwegians and the Finns, because they're also white.
	The problem is it's just an inaccurate category.
	I get that.
	I understand that.
	Because they weren't involved.
	They weren't me.
	Yeah, the Latvians are just like, what are you talking about?
	That's another problem that I have with it.
	So what you're saying is that it's been lumped in with all white people.
	Yeah, it's a broad and thin category.
	Whereas if you said British imperialism, French imperialism... European imperialism or... But again, that's quite broad because there are definitely... If Europeans, let's just use that term, could do it to other Europeans, they have no problem with it and have done it.
	I mean, the Soviet Empire collapsed in the 90s and those guys were imperial subjects of the Soviet Empire.
	However, the reason I think, as I said about people understanding what Certain things are, because with white supremacy, right, came a pseudoscience.
	And I don't know a pseudoscience that's been used from European to European, but with Carl Anais... Oh, we did.
	You should see some of the 19th century depictions of the Irish.
	Right, with the Irish I can say, you can say that with the Irish.
	They did.
	Or the Germans.
	Or the Germans.
	But generally, if you look at, because there was Africanus, Americanus, Europeus, and Asiaticus, who Carl Linnaeus, which is a taxonomist, done in the 1700s.
	And he categorized and said, this is what these types of people are.
	And so there was a whole pseudoscience behind white supremacy also.
	It wasn't just like, oh, do you know what I mean?
	It was a whole movement.
	So people have to understand that there's like a hangover from that.
	I find confusing your definition of white supremacy, because in that example, it wasn't just we're a different species or whatever group.
	No, we're all human.
	No, I'm arguing from the perspective of someone who made that chart, right?
	Yeah, colonisers.
	That there's seven different groups or whatever, and they're saying that the white group is the superior group because of X, Y, Z. That's actual supremacy.
	I still struggle with even understanding your definition of white supremacy.
	So that's not supremacy?
	I'm saying if you, so the guy who sets up the seven groups, the reason he does it is not just to be like, this is science.
	He also used it to say the white group is the superior one.
	Yes.
	That's white supremacy.
	Right.
	That's what I would understand that term to mean.
	Right.
	But with what I'm saying, with that psychology, imperialism came.
	It's a justification.
	It's a justification for imperialism.
	It was used to say, listen, you see these Negroes, Are they?
	Because Carl Anais, he wrote it and he's a scientist and he said they're not very smart so we can do that.
	It's not quite like that though because those justifications came a lot longer after we'd already purchased slaves and started setting up colonies.
	Sorry, say that again?
	So the justification for taking over land and subjugating people who weren't white because of the seven categories or whatever.
	My understanding is that... That came in the 1700s, the categorization.
	I get that, but it was largely, especially in the modern context for empire expansion used by the Americans, when it came to European powers.
	I mean, we were engaging in slave trading on the basis of race for a lot longer.
	From the 1400s, yeah.
	The counterpoint to that is, almost any theory is a post hoc rationalization of existing practices and beliefs anyway.
	So, it's kind of natural for conquering people to think of themselves as better than anyone they've conquered.
	The Russians need to take care of the rest of the Slavic world.
	Absolutely.
	And then, after the fact, to justify why you were able to do that, you create a series of theories.
	Am I correct in thinking that you're saying that the European imperialism that happened
	is not part of what you would call white supremacy it wouldn't be or it would be because i'm a little bit confused depends on the circumstance because uh take the americans for example i mean their history is very different but they're still of anglo-saxon stock like 90% or whatever it is when they would justify getting rid of the indians yeah that's on the basis they use racial theories for this not just that they're savages and need to be moved on then the lady is especially if you use the white supremacy stuff
	But if you're just doing it because of geopolitics, like the bloody French are going to take huge swaths of Africa, so we need to move in and take what we can as well.
	You're not doing it because you necessarily hate black people.
	You'd happily do that to a white nation as well, if it meant that you could get one over on the French.
	Well, I would say this is the psychology of believing that you are superior to another group of people was a major factor in holding the Berlin Conference.
	It's a major factor!
	It's not that you're wrong, that we would happily conquer the French had we the power to do it, but when it came to, in particular, the 19th century and theories of scientific theories of race.
	There was definitely an element of white supremacy in there.
	Sure.
	This is quite late in the game, but also it wouldn't necessarily just apply to Africa.
	So the difference between the African continents, you say sub-Saharan really, and the Europeans is just a level of technology and civilization at that point.
	That's why they're able to even do such a thing.
	Right.
	And if you could do it to Greece at that time, yeah, they'd probably happily do it.
	I mean, the Turks did it to all of the Balkans for that period, and the Soviets did it to all of Eastern Europe over that period.
	The white component I just don't think is actually that important.
	I think it was quite a driving influence.
	Sorry, go on Karl.
	It was quite prominent in the theorizing around it.
	It's a weird justification because you get it with the Americans too, where suddenly the Spanish and their descendants become not part of the white race because you need to steal their colonies.
	You understand what I'm saying?
	No.
	So, you're happy to take control of other colonies.
	And if you can use a justification for why you need to do it on the basis of race.
	Race, you can do it.
	People will do it.
	Right, okay.
	But that's not the only reason you do these things.
	And the history of each of these places is so vastly different.
	But I think saying general things really doesn't usually reflect the answer.
	I'm just trying to understand if you think that race is tied into this.
	Do you don't think race is tied into this?
	In the case of Africa, it definitely was.
	In the case of Africa, I think race was tied into it.
	Definitely was.
	Most of it, yes.
	I don't think so.
	But there are instances where it wasn't, but when it comes to Africa, yeah, definitely.
	Yeah, but you are right when you say, look, you know, essentially it doesn't really matter what justification people give to, you know, like it's, there are lots of different justifications and we'll justify doing whatever we need to do, which is what everyone does.
	So you find a reason to do something.
	You know what?
	He's got blue eyes, not light blue eyes.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You just find a reason.
	Sure.
	I mean, these things exist, but it's, it's, it's different in the sense of, um, in my mind, when I think of Nazi Germany, for example, like Hitler's worldview is incredibly important to why the Nazis do what they do, the countries they even target and the strategy.
	And that's because he's a dictator.
	He's literally able to implement his worldview in that way.
	But when it comes to something like global empires, Not only is it a huge time span, there's different things going on throughout all of that time span, there's different regions, the considerations are different in different places.
	Like one of the things you said about this was done to the Africans, that Jack Chirac quote, like it's very unique to the French colonies because it's the French experience of colonization.
	The British didn't do it?
	The British have a different way of doing things.
	Cecil Rose was pretty racist, though.
	Oh, absolutely.
	But it's the same thing with the... It sounds like you're trying to run from it.
	It is what it is, right?
	No, I'm trying to explain that I don't like saying general things for something that's much bigger than a general statement.
	So the Congo, for example, is the greatest example of probably the worst case of colonialism ever implemented.
	Leopold.
	Yeah.
	I'm trying to think if, I don't know, you could argue like the Muslim Empire might have done some things at worse.
	They definitely did in North Africa.
	Genghis Khan.
	The Africans.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's East Africa that really suffered from the Muslims.
	All I'm trying to express at the last point here is just... You've still got the safe ports there in East Africa with the Muslims.
	Yeah.
	The only point I'm trying to express at the end of this is just that I don't like saying general things because usually it's very specific to the place.
	Okay.
	Can we leave it there and move on to the next segment?
	Yeah, sure.
	No problem.
	So it turns out MPs are in fear for their lives in Britain in the year of our Lord 2024.
	Why?
	Why is the question?
	Why is the question?
	Must be all those far-right people.
	You may remember Mike Freer.
	Like you, you mean?
	Apparently.
	I get told I'm far-right very often.
	I've never threatened an MP and they're not resigning.
	Technically.
	Sorry, I'm ending sentences.
	Technically, I'm correct.
	I'm having fun.
	Which is why I do not have a criminal record.
	Yep.
	But this is why, it's not, you know, Mike Freer wasn't resigning because of me.
	David Armist didn't get stabbed because of me.
	Did he end up saying who it was?
	Uh, he did actually, yes.
	Ah.
	He did.
	He did say that it was a particularly, um, specific religious group that was sending him threats.
	Amazing.
	Uh, and he's Jewish, so.
	No!
	What, the peaceful one?
	Yeah, the, the very, very peaceful one.
	Um, and so this is something that the Guardian has to admit, yeah, okay, there is an issue, but I think it's very interesting, uh, who they put front and center in this article.
	I'm just going to read a few quotes.
	Tan Desi, the Labour MP for Slough, said he felt his life was at risk.
	Tan Desi.
	That's not an indigenous British name.
	Where's he from?
	Tan?
	Sounds Asian.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Would you like his full name?
	It's Tan Manjeet Singh Desi.
	So he is a Sikh man.
	He has had to take on various extra security measures and has a police presence at his constituency surgeries because he's living in fear of his life.
	Margaret Hodge, a Labour MP, has also taken extra security precautions.
	But a Muslim Labour MP who has been kept anonymous said they've had a very serious death threat for being vocally pro-Palestine.
	Oh, really?
	I believe it.
	Do you want to give me a copy?
	I don't even know who it is.
	Someone in the comments saying, oh, I'm going to kill you.
	Maybe.
	Is that what it is?
	It's from another MP.
	Right.
	It's an anonymous Muslim Labour MP, so we can't even ask them.
	Why are they allowed to be anonymous?
	Great question.
	And why is Mr Tan Singh not allowed to be anonymous?
	No idea.
	Why is Margaret Hodge named but this unnamed Muslim MP who got the death threat for being vocally pro-Palestine?
	Jess Phillips, the Labour MP for Birmingham Yardley.
	Your friend.
	My best friend.
	Said, the levels of Islamophobia that people are displaying is sickening.
	That's the real problem.
	Yep.
	I can talk about...
	I've spoken about Islam in relation to the rest of the world for years and I just think it's interesting that an ideology that is essentially imperialist by nature generally tries to act like it's innocent It's interesting, isn't it?
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	We'll get to that a little bit later.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, Jess Phillips is dismayed at the level of Islamophobia.
	She's not dismayed at the level of Islam.
	She's not dismayed at the death threats.
	I mean, you remember Lindsay Hoyle was in the parliament saying, look, I just don't want any of you to be killed.
	She's like, that's perfectly normal.
	I love this.
	Yeah.
	Oh, at least Lindsay Hoyle isn't being Islamophobe.
	Or maybe that was a form of Islamophobia.
	I don't know, right?
	But there's more.
	The BBC, of course, are telling us that various other people, Conservative MP Tobias Elwood, his home was targeted by, quote, pro-Palestinian protesters.
	Preet Jill, a Labour MP for Birmingham, said death threats had become the norm in her job.
	And Conservative Stafford MP Theo Clark carries a panic button which is directly linked to the police at all times.
	Uh, these are not Muslim people.
	FYI.
	We have one anonymous Muslim who says he got death threat from anti-Palestine activists.
	You assumed it's a he.
	Uh, that's true.
	I do assume it's a he.
	I have no idea.
	There's a few Labour MPs who are Muslims who make shit up and I'm accusing them of making this up because, well, they have a history.
	I guess they can come out.
	Are you saying that the press is lying?
	Yeah.
	I'm also saying the politicians are lying.
	You sound like a conspiracy theorist.
	I think that letter is real, but I think they literally wrote it themselves.
	Sorry.
	Interesting.
	I'd like a handwriting check on that.
	Do you remember David Lammy?
	His death threat.
	How can you forget David Lammy?
	David Lammy wrote... No, sorry, he didn't write.
	He didn't write.
	David Lammy received a death threat, and the handwriting just happened to be very similar to his own handwriting.
	A unique style of handwriting.
	Yes.
	Only he has.
	I don't know that story.
	We can look it up afterwards.
	It's really funny.
	Because, like, David, did you write this for yourself?
	We're not in the news this week.
	But anyway, so Mike Freer, of course, says, look, if we have a steel ring around MPs and the whole style of democracy changes, which it does, which is not good, and so so now you have one.
	Yeah, well we do, but it's going to get worse.
	Sunak came out and said, and you'll be blown away by how vicious this attack is on the Muslim community, we simply cannot allow this pattern of increasingly violent and intimidating behaviour, which is, as far as anyone can see, intended to shut down free debate and stop elected representatives from doing their job.
	It's simply undemocratic.
	I'm going to do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and the values we hold dear.
	This is what the public expect.
	It is fundamental to our democratic system.
	It's also vital for maintaining public confidence in the police.
	Not a very hateful statement.
	Doesn't call out any grounds.
	No, the Labour Party is understood to believe that the proposals are sensible, but the PM's language is not.
	Okay.
	The Palestine Solidarity Campaign, one of the groups behind the series of mass demonstrations, don't know why they're being linked to this.
	Sorry, what?
	Who mentioned you?
	Yeah, exactly.
	They just jump in the way for some reason.
	It says it does not support protests outside of MPs' homes, but has defended the right to stage peaceful protests outside of their offices and council chambers.
	Which is why they're terrified.
	And Amnesty International's UK Law and Human Rights Director says that, quote, talk of mob rule wildly exaggerates the issue.
	That's right.
	All the politicians are scared for their lives.
	They've all got extra police protection.
	And the Speaker of the House is just like, look... How much does that cost to the taxpayer?
	Ah, well, that's a great question.
	And we haven't answered that.
	£31 million.
	Yeah.
	Pay your taxes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, me too.
	The Home Office says the funding package will be used to increase private sector security provisions for those facing greater risk.
	No, they shouldn't.
	No, no.
	They should get none of this.
	Yep.
	Zero.
	Yep.
	So the politicians... They're like the rest of us.
	Exactly.
	The politicians are going to have private security 24-7 to make sure that they aren't attacked by unnamed groups.
	You get nothing.
	You get nothing.
	In fact, you get the privilege of paying for their protection while you're just as vulnerable as you were yesterday.
	Honestly, I really hate this story because it was for a moment, there was a brief moment where they lived the same as us and they realized, oh crap.
	What have we brought into this country?
	This isn't great.
	And their way out of it is to not do anything to the source of the problem.
	It's instead just to limit themselves.
	Like a gated community as the country falls into one that doesn't have heating or electricity or anything of the sort.
	So we can look at some of the threats, actually.
	Some of them have been made public.
	Richard Tice, the Reform Party, one of his candidates, Simon Danzig, not an MP, so doesn't qualify for protection.
	But did used to be a Labour MP.
	Did used to be a Labour MP.
	He got a lovely threat from a chap with a very fun accent.
	Have you seen this motherfucking shit, this baldy, white, yellow bastard?
	These fucking white devils.
	Son of a bitches.
	Look at that.
	Vote for Roger now, guys.
	You son of a bitches.
	If you guys ever see this bald motherfucker, I'm gonna fucking put one in his head.
	Look at this ugly Phil Mitchell looking son of a son of a bastard motherfucker.
	We shouldn't laugh.
	I know, that's the thing.
	Like, it's true.
	We shouldn't laugh at that.
	But like, the terrorists do genuinely say stuff like Rupperdiggy Rapids, bro.
	Yeah.
	Do you remember the one in Houston?
	There's this guy who took a synagogue hostage.
	Well, he took the people in the synagogue hostage.
	And then he called up his brother or whatever, and they had the recording and made it public just before he killed everyone and himself.
	And he's literally the guy from Four Lions, just going, no, it's not Gunnar.
	It's not Gunnar.
	Leave me alone.
	I gotta go now.
	I gotta kill them all.
	Wow.
	The thing is, we laugh until it's real.
	Well, it is real.
	David Armas was...
	I think he is.
	I mean, this guy, I'm going to assault you when I see you and care not of the consequences.
	I love the fact they even send their threats in old-worldy language.
	I shall care not for the consequences, sir.
	You know?
	Never get the Asian vote, you bold, ugly, Phil Mitchell-looking SOB.
	I shagged your mom.
	Huh, all right.
	Yeah.
	So, some might say that this is unfairly stigmatizing the Muslim community.
	Who?
	Muslim talking heads will say things like, you can't protest peacefully, you can't boycott, you can't hunger strike, you can't hijack planes, you can't block traffic, you can't throw molotovs, you can't self-immolate, you can't heckle politicians, you can't march, you can't write, you can't send, you just can't be.
	I tell you what, he's right.
	It's political correctness gone wild, isn't it?
	They're stopping me from getting this plane!
	Is he a comedian?
	No, he's not a comedian.
	Are you sure he's not a comedian?
	No, he's a journalist.
	Remember the good old days?
	Where you could just hijack planes and, you know... Firebomb anyone you like?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's kind of crazy.
	And lots of people are like, yeah, no, you've got a good point.
	You can't throw molotovs or hijack planes.
	How is that got 17k likes?
	That is a great question.
	Of all the things on Twitter, that's not ratioed.
	Yeah.
	That is a very interesting tweet.
	Yeah.
	You just can't throw molotovs, bro.
	Can't hijack planes, bro.
	Is he arguing for the right to do this?
	He's saying that the Muslim community is being unfairly persecuted if they are denied the right to do these, it seems.
	You just can't be, as if hijacking planes is an intrinsic part of being Muslim.
	Pakistani airline flight is being redirected.
	It's got 16.8 million views.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	So, I think we've identified who the real victims here are.
	Muslims in the public space are fearing for their lives.
	From who?
	The English Liberation Army?
	Are they out there?
	The politicians, maybe?
	I don't know!
	One of the phantom thing, do you want to be scared of today?
	Yes.
	You see, my thing about this is...
	Like I said, you, you have an imperialist ideology on your shores.
	I made, I actually made a video on my channel about, um, having imperialist ideologies on your shores.
	You can have ideologies on your shores, which are assimilated into your culture.
	Um, I said, I even said to you last night, I said, if I had Wakanda, um, if I built Wakanda, I would have an immigration policy, which only allows a certain percentage of people that are not Wakandans in the country.
	Yes, it is normal.
	That's why.
	Yeah, when you have just free borders, open borders for people, and then you complain once you're all in.
	I did a story on what's happening with Katherine Berbilsingh, you know, Berbilsingh who owns this school, Makayla.
	school in North London and what's happened is she's got the best results at secondary school.
	Oh is this the the highly conservative woman?
	Yeah yeah yeah.
	Or conservative with a small c. Yeah that's it yeah yeah.
	And what's happened in her school and everyone knew there was no prayer room.
	Her school's for everyone.
	Black, white, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, whatever And there's been no prayer room.
	She doesn't adhere to anyone's religion.
	She doesn't pander to anyone.
	It's a secular school and everyone knows this.
	And that's the reason why she's been able to get the results that she's got.
	And what has happened is now 50% of the school has become Muslim.
	They're demanding a prayer room.
	She said no.
	And so now she's being done for Islamophobia.
	They're taking her to the high court.
	It's like, wow.
	It's amazing.
	You knew there was no prayer room, bro.
	Yeah.
	I just walked in and I'm like, yo, Carl, where's, where's my thing?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Where is it?
	No, no, you're against me.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what I mean?
	So I'm just like, yeah.
	But you are right.
	It does, it speaks to an intent, right?
	It's like you joined this secular school knowing that this wasn't here.
	Knowing.
	You knew, and now you're making the demands for the thing you knew wasn't here in the first place.
	You're an imperialist.
	Exactly.
	So the only rational thing I can take from that is that the intent was there to take it over.
	That's what that is.
	That's actually a more revealing way of putting that previous tweet, the Mohammed guy.
	I don't know if we can get that back up just because it's hilarious.
	Yeah.
	Because, of course, in Islam, well, in the Islamic context, you have the right to wage jihad against the non-believers.
	So, hijacking planes or throwing molotov cocktails, it's just modern jihad.
	I mean, sincerely, if your position is an imperialist one, if I'm going to go find the non-Muslim lands and make them Muslim, well, everything's on the table.
	You can read the Quran if you want, it's all laid out there.
	Sure, but we're definitely not putting that on YouTube.
	Okay.
	Anyway, so we'll leave that one there and then go to something else that we can't put on YouTube.
	I'm really tired of the current thing.
	The current thing is whatever the media has decided is the story of the day and not just the day.
	Could be the week.
	I mean, for example, in the last couple of days has been Islamophobia in the Conservative Party.
	Prior to that, it's been, say, Ukraine.
	And this Obsession over this kind of media nexus and political nexus of whatever the floating object is on everyone's timelines is genuinely getting people killed.
	And so I just want to tell me, look, whatever the current thing is in your timeline, it's not worth your life, right?
	It will literally be gone in a year's time and you'll have forgotten about it and everyone will have forgotten any sacrifices you made for it.
	Right?
	So, I mean, does anyone remember the Reddit battalion that went out to Ukraine?
	No, exactly.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	No one remembers.
	So, uh, there was a subreddit called Volunteers for Ukraine with 45,000 subscribers on it.
	Uh, and they were training people.
	Within weeks, they had trained hundreds of civilians.
	This was only two years ago.
	You see, we're actually told who we're supposed to fight for, aren't we?
	Yeah.
	We're just told.
	It's literally this sort of media programming.
	And most people don't.
	Most people are educated by a 60 second TikTok video.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	And it's like, oh, well, I'm on that side then.
	Yeah.
	And this is all downstream from some like New York Times reporter or something like that.
	And they're going to be downstream from probably the CIA or the FBI.
	And so it's just like, so actually when you are playing into the current thing, you're playing into the imperial regime of One country or another.
	But anyway, they trained hundreds of people to go out to Reddit, uh, the Warzone, you can't say Reddit!
	From Reddit.
	And a bunch of these people were killed.
	Oh, they died?
	Yeah, yeah, they died.
	Surprise!
	Yeah, the Ukraine's Foreign Legion did not see significant attention until March 13, 2022, when Russia fired multiple missiles at a Ukrainian military facility where some foreign soldiers were undergoing training, reportedly killing 35 people and injuring 134.
	They got a thousand upvotes on Reddit.
	That's sad.
	If that helps.
	It's tragic, right?
	You see these people that were training, were they already army trained?
	Some were, some weren't.
	Right.
	So let's take the example of Dane Partridge, a former army infantryman who felt spiritually called to volunteer in the Ukrainian military.
	Why?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Why?
	What spirit?
	Five years ago.
	What spirit was that?
	But just five years ago, did you feel spiritually called to serve in Ukraine?
	You'd never even heard of Ukraine.
	It was only until the media put it right in front of your face, nonstop.
	Like, I bet the average American has no or three years on a map.
	Exactly.
	Suddenly he's spiritually called.
	So no, you've been programmed by the media.
	Right.
	But this is genuinely tragic because he goes and volunteers.
	He gets a one way ticket to Poland, goes over there, gets killed.
	He leaves behind five young children.
	It's just awful, isn't it?
	And of course his widow doesn't want to talk about that because she's like, well, we're still living and we're affected by this.
	Um, so, so this is what he said.
	This is what his widow said.
	Uh, she, we just want to focus on the good that he did not mention any personal things.
	So yeah, I bet.
	No, but this is what he said to his family.
	Guys, I'm spiritually called to go.
	I know you guys got to go to school tomorrow.
	I've been spiritually called to, uh, there's no more school run for me.
	I'm going to go and fight.
	Yeah.
	For a country you've never heard of.
	Ned, where are you going?
	I'm off.
	Can we add this to the Darwin Awards?
	Possibly.
	Do you know what the Darwin Awards are?
	No, I don't know what a Darwin Award is.
	So, they're a Darwin Award, it's for taking yourself out of the gene pool for doing something so stupid and getting yourself killed.
	I'm sorry.
	He's got five kids, he's not out of the gene pool.
	Oh God, because that's the... What?
	If he was Ukrainian, if he cared about the Donbass War or something, he didn't.
	He literally just saw it on TV and thought, there we are, I'm gonna throw my life away.
	Dane Partridge is the most Anglo name.
	Partridge is a surname.
	That's an English surname.
	He's not from Ukraine.
	He's not a Slavic immigrant.
	He's obviously just a regular American, and he's been bewitched by the current thing.
	They've dangled this in front of his face, and he's like, you know, I need to abandon my family and save Ukrainians.
	And now he's dead, and his family is struggling.
	This is awful.
	And so this is the context in which, of course, Aaron Bushnell, again, another just sort of Anglo name, just normal Anglo names.
	These aren't people who have any, like, he's got no connection to Palestine when he burned himself to death yelling free Palestine outside of the Israeli embassy.
	He was bewitched by the current thing online.
	And in fact, it's actually kind of crazy.
	Um, of course I'm not, I'm not going to show any of it because I'm getting trouble, but basically his last words were, I will no longer be complicit in a genocide.
	I'm about to engage in an extreme act of protest, but compared to what people have been experiencing in Palestine at the hands of their colonizers, it's not extreme at all.
	And then he yells free Palestine and burns himself.
	But what is not being spoken about here is I think there's a huge rise in mental health in the nation.
	And I think it plays into these types of things.
	I think you can't diagnose with certain mental health conditions, which is why they're probably easily led to believe certain things and easily led to act in certain ways.
	So this guy could have been a crazy guy.
	And he's a lot more of a candidate for it than the previous chapter.
	Yeah.
	Because this guy was 25 years old.
	It's his whole life ahead of him.
	He had his whole life ahead of him.
	Affected nothing.
	He didn't have a wife and children, although there are claims that he did.
	I looked into it.
	He doesn't, as far as I can tell.
	But we can find out something about him.
	So he grew up in a religious compound in Massachusetts called the Community of Jesus.
	So it's a heavily religious background that he has, evangelical Protestant background.
	His family left in 2005.
	And by 2024, he had not only come out of the religion, but he had found himself online and become essentially an Antifa activist, a radical communist.
	So he had spent all of his time on Reddit becoming increasingly indoctrinated into just an extremist ideology.
	He grew disillusioned with the military, of course, because this happened after he was in the military.
	So he radicalized while he was a member of the Air Force, but was intending on sticking out his tenure in there just because he was closer to the end.
	And he thought, screw it on, skip to the end.
	And But in the wake of George Floyd's killing by the police, one of his friends says that he started to research the history of the United States and wanted to take a stand against all the state-sanctioned violence.
	So when George Floyd was the current thing, This put him on the trajectory to burning himself to death outside the Israeli embassy.
	You see, that's, it might be mental health.
	It probably is in his case, but it's also just utterly tragic.
	Like this guy's mum and dad, like got a call one day and assuming they didn't see it on the news.
	And someone said, Oh, your son's died.
	Oh my God, what happened?
	Well, he spent a lot of time on Reddit and became a communist and he killed himself for Palestine.
	It sounds funny and it sounds, you know, tongue in cheek, but.
	They shut down mental asylum.
	Yes.
	And so the mad people have got to go somewhere.
	Yeah, and America is mental mental.
	Yeah, they've got to get into something.
	And I think a lot of people that... Yeah, it didn't reduce the number of mental people.
	It didn't!
	It just left them in the general population.
	Just left them in the general population.
	Yeah, and in this guy's case, it's a much stronger argument than the previous guy.
	He's a family man, you know, this guy's obviously... But yeah, so I mean, like there's just loads of it.
	He's just like loads and loads of it, where he's just incredibly left-wing.
	No, I guess that's not coming up for some reason.
	But Andy Noah has been just compiling because his Reddit history is still up.
	Didn't he say that Palestine will only be free when all the Jews are dead?
	No, that's a fake post.
	That's why I haven't included it.
	I was going to mention it, but thank you for bringing that up.
	Fake news!
	Yeah, I tried to be accurate, but he's not sympathetic to the deaths of his fellow soldiers.
	Just constant posting about anarchism, communism.
	This is his page?
	Yeah, he's acebushone.
	Hello, BreadTubers!
	Yep, various BreadTubers who radicalized him, calling Republicans fascists, obviously, and just various other things.
	So I'm really kind of glad, because you're right so much on the mentally ill aspect, I think.
	And I remember back before Elon brought Twitter, this kind of left-wing mental illness was promoted by the platform.
	Yeah.
	And occasionally now I'll see, it still happens, but there's some leftist mentally ill person on there, who'll just be like, right, I've had it, this place has become accessible, I'm leaving, I'm going off Twitter.
	And I just think that is so good for you.
	They're back next week.
	Yeah.
	Most of the time they come back.
	Yeah, they will, yeah.
	But there will be like an attrition rate of them.
	And the more and more that attrition rate takes place, that's actually good news for all of humanity.
	Getting those people out of an atmosphere where they're just doing this kind of stuff.
	Is only good because they're only going to end up doing mental things like this.
	If only Reddit was also toxic towards left-wing ideology.
	Anyway.
	So, I mean, there's a bunch of things where he's just.
	Genuinely like awful.
	He spent, he seems to have just spent his entire life after work, just obsessed with left-wing politics on Reddit.
	Right.
	And he had some interesting takes.
	Um, that one's fake, but this one is true.
	So, um, obviously he's not a fan of American imperialism.
	Uh, he didn't, he thought the October 7th attack was justified.
	In fact, did I, have I got that here?
	I think it's this one.
	Uh, so yes, when, uh, when Hamas attacked Israel, killed however many civilians, uh, he was like, well, actually it's kind of justified because Israel is a settler colonialist apartheid state and none of them are civilians and therefore they're all, uh, war targets.
	Um...
	Just average leftist opinion on this.
	Uh, yeah, not a fan of the Ukrainian war in the American empire.
	Uh, he believes that Ukrainian war is about America competing with Russia.
	He is a walking hashtag.
	He's just an NPC for this stuff.
	Uh, and so, uh, he's been partially deified, should we say?
	Um, there are of course, people on the left who say, well, actually, I still hate him because he's white.
	There was a lot of that.
	There were a lot of leftists who said, well, He's a white man and therefore he doesn't deserve the term rest in power, which is... Where was that said?
	Oh, all over Twitter.
	Loads of left-wing activists who are not white said, I don't like him even though he's white, which I just think is grim.
	That's so normal as well.
	Like you chose that community.
	Yeah.
	Antifa types have always been like that.
	Yeah.
	But he also said, he specified in his will that his savings should go to a Palestinian Children's Relief Fund.
	Which I'm sure will reach Palestinian children.
	Uh, so just tragic really.
	So just to be really, really clear, right?
	Just the current thing will come and go.
	It's going to just be in your face and it's going to disappear.
	And this guy's, this guy's self-immolating, right?
	It's not even the most remarkable story of this year.
	That's the thing.
	Like, it's not made any impact outside of America, really.
	It's not in the British media.
	No, we haven't.
	I haven't heard about it over here.
	Exactly, right?
	This is the bit about, because I really like the current thing meme.
	Yeah.
	And then some people use it in a way that I find irritating at times.
	But this is such a good example, these two, because I'm thinking back to, um, take Osama Bin Laden, right?
	Right back before he did the al-Qaeda stuff, right?
	He went and fought in Afghanistan because he was obsessed with Palestine and the, uh, you know, his fellow Muslims then being oppressed.
	And then when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, he wanted to support the Muslim cause by kicking out the atheist Soviets.
	At least there's an obvious connection between Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, the Islamic part.
	There's a way in which you could get involved that spiritually calls you and makes sense.
	Yeah.
	But that guy in Ukraine is just like, well, um, uh, reasons.
	I mean, there's nothing, there is literally zero that draws him here other than the media.
	I have to defend these Christians against other Christians.
	I think people fail to, um, realize how powerful these things are.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's exactly what this is.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, totally.
	Because both of these guys, obviously radicalized by social media and what they're seeing on their phones.
	Obviously.
	I mean, this guy in particular.
	But if he was Egyptian, he'd be like, well, fair enough.
	It would at least make sense.
	But that's what I talked about mental health before.
	And the power of this.
	Those two mixed together.
	Yeah.
	That's a recipe for disaster.
	Yeah.
	But the tragedy of chasing the current thing is that this guy in a week, no one will remember him.
	Right.
	No one will remember the name of Aaron Bushnell.
	Like no one remembers Dane Partridge, right?
	They don't care.
	It's not important.
	You're not part of the story and you're trying to make yourself part of the story, but the story isn't really a story.
	It's a, it's a distraction.
	It's a flash.
	Yeah, that's being put in front of your face to distract from other things.
	And so they don't care.
	You're not gonna be memorialized.
	There's gonna be no statue to these guys.
	You know, this wasn't like World War I or World War II, and yet they're trying to capture the same energy to draw people to the cause.
	But it's not the same.
	You know, there's nothing lasting about any of this.
	And so it's just a genuine tragedy that's happened in each of these cases.
	Like I saw loads of people like memeing on it.
	Oh, he's a communist.
	Well, therefore we're and we're, we're post-communist.
	Therefore we can just dunk him.
	It's like, no, dude, I'm looking at the thing.
	If that was my son, I'd be heartbroken.
	You know, I, I just think it's so sad to watch.
	And so like, I haven't, I haven't been able to post any memes about it or anything like that.
	It's awful.
	But if you do, you'll keep his name alive.
	Well, there is that, but like, it's just really sad and pathetic and just, and the people in charge don't care.
	Like none of the people at the media, they don't care.
	You know, this is the best he's going to get and this will be forgotten forever.
	It's so right.
	Just tragic.
	I guess we'll leave that there.
	Just some comments.
	I was just thinking, like, if you're Hamas, like you're, you're fighting the fight, Do you even care?
	There are loads of people in the Arab and Muslim world who are on Twitter speaking in English to have a conversation with the English-speaking world about it.
	They don't talk about him.
	Of course they don't talk about him.
	Why would they talk about him?
	What have they got to say?
	Anyway, it's genuinely tragic.
	Alex says, I'll confess my ignorance as to who Saragavi is.
	However, with his introduction, I could hear the voice of someone who considers what he says before he speaks.
	Well, that's a nice thing.
	Um, but what's interesting, I've been following you for years, right?
	Cause we're friends on Facebook.
	What's his third interview now?
	Yeah, something like that.
	And the reason when you were like, Oh, I want to talk, I was like, definitely.
	Um, because like, you must find yourself in a bit of an outsider position, right?
	In that community.
	Cause I don't think it's unfair to describe you as a conservative, right?
	Small C?
	Small C conservative.
	I like that term.
	Yeah, I agree because I'm not a big C conservative either.
	But like, because you're just saying, look, the social relationships are bad.
	The lack of investment is bad.
	Yes.
	The lack of excellence is bad.
	Yeah.
	We need to fix these things if we want a better future for anyone.
	And that's just a true statement in all times and all places for all humans.
	So it's just one of those things where I can see you struggling against like, the tidal wave of the sort of sloth, you know, it's like people are like, no, I don't want to have to do that.
	It's like, no, you have to do these things.
	Unfortunately, we live in a time where as a black person, I can say that a lot of the things that a lot of black people tie themselves to is detrimental to black people in general.
	And so, yeah, like I've been speaking about these things for years, right?
	And it is a thing of, like I said, we don't know how powerful these things are, right?
	And the things that are being shown through these screens, right, generally to black people, I was watching the video the other day of a nine-year-old boy Who was at strip club who was smacking the arse of a stripper.
	Right?
	And I'm like, is that what we want to do black people?
	Is that, is that what we want to do?
	Yeah.
	And the audience was around him like, and I was like, okay, yeah, there's a lot to do.
	And so, yeah, I do find myself in a little bit of an outside position because if I speak on that and say that is negative, what is deemed as being quote unquote black is a lot of negativity.
	And so people will try and say, oh, he's a, he's a coon, he's a Uncle Tom.
	And I'm like, well, I don't think I am.
	I'm just asking for you to be better than what you are.
	And I'm saying I'm black too.
	Could you please represent me in a better light?
	Could you please represent us in a better light?
	No, you're a coon.
	Do you think a lot of this sort of culture comes from America?
	Yes.
	We spoke about that a lot, didn't we?
	Yeah, we did, because it was obvious to me at the time.
	And I was just, you know, like in the interceding years, is it getting better?
	This is what's the thing.
	I've studied African history, right?
	And when I look at the history of Africa and I look at America, unfortunately, I've said this before, unfortunately, the African was made into a new African with colonization and slavery.
	And so what is now exported is a new subculture of what it means to be black.
	And it's like, Yeah.
	Cause no, that's not what we came from.
	You speak for like, you can speak to a lot of people from Africa who were not from, who are not a product of it.
	And they're just, I mean, they're really conservative and patriarchal.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	And so, and it seems to be sort of the American culture that is not, you know, it's, it's a book that's a lot more feminized.
	Americans have been, um, very, They've been able to export their culture very well.
	And that's just basically what happened.
	They've been able to use their quote-unquote media machine to export their culture.
	Because when you were saying earlier about how like, okay, so if Europeans make Jesus white in their own image, which of course they do, same with the blacks who make Jesus black in their own image.
	Well, if you're the place of imperium if you're the place of power and that gets spread across the world yeah then if it's black culture in america that's getting spread across the world that's not good for anyone right yeah so it's a very great um analogy as well yeah the way in which you linked it because what it means to be black is to export this ghetto culture ghetto culture whatever and And then what it is to be God is to export that.
	Do you know what I mean?
	It's like they, they're both using mediums to export what they think is.
	Yeah.
	And so it's, it's the same process, just in different ways.
	Yeah. 100%.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Windpill Seeker says, the problem in Africa is the lack of individual land and property rights.
	Collectivism, be it Marxist, theocratic, monarchic, allows local leaders to confiscate and own all resources and sell out.
	Socialism is a massive problem in Africa, obviously.
	Any questions on that?
	I've said, what is the ideal system then?
	Because I'm not saying that capitalism, socialism, or communism are great.
	Yeah, they've all got problems.
	Right, so I'm saying, what is the best system?
	I'm not sure there is a single best system.
	Single one.
	But there's definitely bad ones.
	And I think that socialism is definitely one of the bad ones.
	Because it allows people to commit theft and pretend they're being good, frankly.
	What, like capitalism?
	No, no, no, no.
	Hey, I'm not a capitalist.
	No, I'm just saying that people commit theft under capitalism.
	Capitalism at least ostensibly criminalizes theft, whereas socialism is predicated on theft.
	So, the socialists will say, no, we need to take their land and redistribute it.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Like, you know, I understand that thing.
	But the capitalists will at least say, well, no, you've got an entitlement to the things you own, right?
	Now, I'm not saying there isn't exploitation and all these other things, but socialism, the ruling principle of it is theft, whereas the ruling principle of capitalism is trade, theoretically.
	So, there's a book called How the West Underdeveloped Africa, or How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, right?
	And if you read that book, Albert Butler, I believe it was, you will see that it's very interesting.
	What is called theft, right?
	Because like you spoke about, Jack Chirac said, oh, we plundered them for... that's theft.
	Sure.
	But you now look like the arbiter of Morals.
	You have the moral high ground.
	I'm not saying that.
	I mean, imperialism isn't capitalism, right?
	True.
	But they're now linked, though.
	Sure, they certainly were.
	And certainly because of Britain towards the end of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
	But the problem is you've got historical events that are happening concurrently.
	that have layers and beginnings and ends that overlap with one another.
	So, for example, if we look at, say, 20th century capitalism, it's very, very hard on property rights.
	Because that's the sort of genuine spirit of capitalism.
	But if you have a sort of legacy imperial system where people are starting to understand that free trade can produce massive wealth, well, you will get exploitation in that system.
	But imperialism is over now because that was deemed to be immoral, rightly so.
	But capitalism itself is in the ownership and distribution of goods and property.
	That's not immoral.
	However... So it persists?
	No, the thing is, I actually agree with you.
	However, to get to that point... I'm not saying injustice is worth it.
	You had to be unjust.
	And that's what the validation for socialism is, because they'll say, well hang on a second, if a series of unjust events led us to this point, then we are justified in doing something unjust in return, right?
	We get to take it and take it back, which I think is the strength of that argument.
	There is genuine strength to that argument.
	But the problem is, once you're in the mindset of saying, well, we're just going to take these things and that's how it works.
	Well, that attracts really bad people.
	That attracts really corrupt people.
	I don't disagree with you, right?
	What I'm saying is, See, people never forget.
	This is the problem that I think we have.
	People don't forget.
	If the Chinese invade tomorrow, Great Britain, right?
	And five centuries go by, right?
	But the English people or the people of the UK, right, have children, generations, blah, blah, blah.
	They're never going to forget that the Chinese Oh yeah, yeah.
	Totally.
	So they're always going to have some kind of thing against Chinese rule.
	Absolutely.
	And Chinese imperialism.
	And so, excuse me, and so if Chinese now are trying to show people, hey listen, we're the moral people, they're going to be like, You didn't get it like that.
	Yeah.
	No, no.
	Do you know what I'm saying?
	People never forget.
	And that's a totally fair critique.
	That's the thing.
	It is a fair critique.
	And it's one that the modern liberal doesn't understand because the modern liberal thinks that history begins now.
	You know, they think we're just exactly.
	And so they and they can't recognize that groups of people carry baggage, I guess you call it.
	Yes.
	Like they carry their luggage with them, right?
	Yes.
	And so like this thing, I had a debate with Narinda Kaur and she's a Sikh woman from India.
	Well, she's not from India, but her parents are from India.
	And she was saying, "Well, look, you did this to us." And I'm like, on a continuum of being British, yes, you can say that.
	But the modern liberal says, well, I was never there, so I didn't do it, so it's not my responsibility.
	But that doesn't mean that she then puts the baggage down and then just carries on.
	And so the question of multiculturalism becomes a really complex one and says, okay, well, why would you bring in a bunch of people who've got all this baggage against you into your country?
	You know, they should be in their country, right?
	And that seems to be the only logical way of resolving the problem.
	Do you know what's so funny?
	I was actually having this conversation this morning with somebody and I said, because they were like, all right, so what's the answer to the question?
	I was like, everyone go back to where they came from.
	What's the other answer?
	I'm not demanding it.
	Everyone go back to where they came from.
	It's not a, because I don't advocate violence, so it's a non-violent way of doing it.
	Absolutely.
	Everyone go back to where they came from.
	However, sorry to cut that, however, There are some people that have heavy interests in other countries who wouldn't want to essentially go back to where they came from.
	And that's across the board, white, black, whoever.
	Ilhan Omar comes to mind.
	Who's that?
	A Somali congresswoman.
	So she was not the one that was not the one from America that was championing Somalia to the American people.
	And the whole reason she does anything she was saying to her own community, the whole reason we're here and doing what we do is to influence American policy in relation to Somalia.
	That's crazy.
	I think it's mad crap about the United States.
	I'm showing you.
	I ain't really for you guys.
	Every single one of them needs to go back to Somalia.
	She literally called the president of Somalia my president.
	And it's like, you're in America.
	You claim to be in America.
	And you're an elected representative in America.
	And you're like, yeah, that's my president over there.
	It's like, sorry.
	Like, how could you not just send her back?
	Like, it's mad.
	But like I said, I'm not saying anyone has to go back.
	But it's like, it's, well, some people, she does.
	But like, but there are lots of people who don't, who, who've left the baggage behind.
	And the people who leave the baggage behind, okay, fine.
	They can stay obviously.
	Why?
	But then where do we go?
	Because I remember, I remember watching the episode that you guys did here on Julius Malema.
	Oh yeah.
	Right.
	And so how far do we do, do the white South Africans have to go back to Dutchland?
	Well, that's the question, right?
	That's why I'm not saying that anyone.
	No, I'm saying a lot of them haven't though.
	But that's why I'm not saying everyone has to, right?
	But what there are going to be people who essentially is going to have to come down to, if you can't leave the baggage of the old world behind, then you have to go back to the old world.
	If you're okay with letting it go and just being a normal person in the country, in the modern country, then stay, I guess.
	People don't forget.
	Well, yeah, but that's the problem.
	That's the thing, people don't forget.
	But some people do.
	Some people let it go, you know.
	Probably a minority.
	Even if you do, that doesn't mean everyone has.
	I mean, I'm thinking of the white people in Zimbabwe.
	Like, there's a few left, but they know damn well there's a, there's a tension between them and the locals.
	Because people don't forget.
	To your point, I mean, I, it's a weird circumstance because of course they lost the war, but, and then the whole, I can't be called Kilbo and Mugabe, but they all left.
	They went to Australia or Canada or the United States or Hong Kong.
	They all disappeared throughout the empire.
	We have another super chat by WinPillSeeker saying, Adolf's government and corporations declared some colonizers check their privilege redistribute their property.
	Democracy is a tyranny of the mob without individual citizens self-defense and property rights.
	Well, that is the libertarian position.
	I appreciate you interjecting it.
	The Shadowband says, my issue with this is that the intergenerational punishment aspect to this F that on principle.
	Nobody today deserves to be punished for something their great-grandparents did.
	I'd go a step further and say that collective punishment in general is wrong and give some examples.
	I don't believe people need to be punished.
	Well that's the thing is it takes on the aspect of a punishment.
	Doesn't it?
	What is mass immigration, if not a punishment?
	Because when you speak to people about this issue, fundamentally, when you get down to the advocates of mass immigration, it's because of the empire, because of slavery or some other bollocks.
	Yeah.
	It's your ethnic group did this.
	Therefore, you deserve mass immigration.
	You see, I don't think of it like that.
	No, no.
	But there are definitely people who do.
	Yeah.
	I don't think of it like that.
	My thing is, I think it would be very interesting if everyone went back to where they came from.
	Yeah.
	And left everyone alone.
	Because I personally think... I can tell you're a dad.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Just leave each other alone.
	Leave them alone, right?
	And I'm just like...
	Yeah, I just think it's interesting because I think people flourish and thrive when left alone.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Do you know what I mean?
	And I just think, everyone leave everyone alone.
	Everyone do their own thing.
	And it's like, nah, some people want to have hands in people's stuff.
	Yeah, that's totally true.
	So we did an episode where I went back, and it was for the purpose of the immigration debate, checked every manifesto from post-war onwards, both sides, and every single point, of course, both sides were saying we need to limit or halt immigration, and they lied the whole way through.
	But one of the funny things I found is I went back to the Labour and Conservative manifesto, I think it's 47 or whatever, There's a weird interpretation of the world there that today would obviously be considered basically that, which is that they believed in, okay, we need to leave parts of the world, the British Empire, it's over, boys.
	But the way they saw race, because they spoke about race, and they said that the racial groups should essentially have their own lands to function their own business.
	But of course, when you say that today in regards to Europeans, it's off the table.
	Yeah, but do you know why I think that is?
	I think that's because when people say that, to say that, okay, cool, these African countries have your own land, have your own business, blah, blah, blah, they've been underdeveloped.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what I mean?
	So it's like, if I take all of your stuff away and I leave you alone, you're like, oh, bruv!
	You've underdeveloped me, bruv!
	What do you mean?
	It's not an unfair critique.
	Yeah, it's like... What do you mean by underdeveloped?
	uh the book uh the how the how the europe underdeveloped africa albert butler have a look at it um it shows that there's a direct correlation between the resource wealth or taking of the like jack shirak was saying the taking of the resource wealth of africa and the development of europe and so um with the copper the rubber the oil the all of everything else that was taken as unfair trade
	there was an unfair trade and Europe was able to build themselves up while Africa was being degraded and the people were being degraded right and so there is a there's a gap there and so if I now say if I've built up all my stuff and I'm like well I'm good you guys do your thing yeah it's like Hang on a minute, is that fair?
	Do you know what I mean?
	I'm not necessarily an advocate for what are they called?
	Reparations?
	Reparations and when two people got the same job but you hired a black one.
	what do they call it oh affirmative action affirmative action i'm not necessarily a affirmative action advocate but i do say if there is an unfair balance because of what you've done i'm just saying there might be a way in which that has to be repaired i think there might be a way was it bikina faso with that chap who's like why why why aren't these african countries doing this Right.
	What, what?
	Yeah, that's the guy.
	Cause I'm actually not unsympathetic to this position where it's like, well, we should be a sovereign country that has a company that does X thing and then exports whatever resources.
	But, and the control of that should be within Burkina Faso.
	I'm not, I'm not unsympathetic to that at all.
	Um, you seem to be giving me the look.
	Yeah.
	He's like, no, he's not supposed to.
	Well, just good luck.
	Well, you're a landlocked country with uranium, that's about it.
	Sure, I can actually read what you've done, you know.
	He's the youngest president, right?
	He's 35 years old.
	He's expelled French troops from Burkina Faso.
	He's banned uranium and gold exports to France and the United States of America.
	He's aligned with Niger, Guinea and Mali to defend their region from invaders.
	It's what he's done.
	But the thing is, like, he's cutting off good markets for the resource there by saying, like, we're not going to give France uranium.
	France needs uranium.
	But they can also just go buy it from Canada.
	Well, that's the point.
	You can make a competitive sales pitch if you're Burkina Faso.
	It's the opposite.
	You actually can't make a competitive sales pitch.
	You've got nothing.
	You've got uranium.
	Exactly.
	Your negotiating position is I have this one resource.
	It's like, okay.
	I mean, unless you sell me...
	Sure, but it's essential.
	But if the Canadians are offering...
	It's essential.
	Because you can buy it from somewhere else.
	It's not so essential.
	Which means you then say, it's the Burkina Fastens.
	We're going to pay you a bottom price for it.
	Because quite frankly, it's a pain in the ass to get it from you or whatever.
	And you've got no negotiating chips.
	You just accept the deal.
	And then, yeah, it's Burkina Fastens.
	You're kind of screwed.
	I mean, you're getting screwed every year selling that stuff.
	It's not market rate.
	But then what can you really do?
	But the thing is, I would say, I would, I know that, if you talk about Brexit, I know that people would prefer to stand on their own two and not make that much.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah, that's an option.
	Than to be under the heel of somebody and be a multi-billionaire.
	I had this conversation so many times.
	Do you know what I mean?
	It's like, well, all right, fine, I might not make that much, but at least I've got my own, I'm a sovereign country.
	That was literally my argument for Brexit.
	I don't care if we go back to the Stone Age.
	Yeah.
	No, I don't care!
	But I might be in favour of that.
	I don't want to be ruled by the French and the Germans.
	That's just literally it.
	So I'm actually genuinely sympathetic to the Burkina Faso decision.
	Of course that's an argument and a position, it's just not one they're really willing to take.
	Who?
	Burkina Faso.
	I mean, they're trying it out.
	Maybe it'll work.
	Yeah, they're trying it out.
	And that's what I think.
	I think countries should be able to do things That might eff them up and might make them great.
	I think self-determination is a thing.
	You can walk out tomorrow and start smoking and mess your life up if you want.
	Not if Rishi Sinhak has his bloody way.
	You can start smoking crack if you want, do you know what I mean?
	And mess your life up.
	Or you can do something else.
	Freedom.
	Right, let's go on to the other subjects.
	Considering MPs fearing for their lives, Justin says, I agree with Sarah.
	We have let in far too many people who don't want to integrate.
	All immigrants tend to hang out with others like them, since at first it's familiar.
	But if they do make an effort to integrate, and if the society makes the effort to integrate them, then they eventually become part of the large culture.
	But if immigrants can spend their entire lives interacting only with other immigrants, and not even speaking the native language, then they become a colony.
	And when that colony becomes large enough, it attempts to take over the existing culture.
	100%.
	How is it wrong?
	Just how is it wrong?
	Like 100%.
	What's there to disagree with?
	But you know what's interesting when I say that?
	Because I'm black, right?
	Go on.
	You're probably getting less trouble than I do.
	No, I get in more trouble.
	Oh, really?
	Are you a race traitor for saying that?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Oh, right.
	Okay.
	100%.
	I'm a coon.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm an Uncle Tom because I'm not allowed to say things like that.
	And I'm like, no, because one thing that Seriously, one thing that happened when my grandparents came, my grandparents were the Windrush era.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They assimilated.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what percentage of foreigners Windrush make up now?
	No.
	1%.
	Really?
	They're nothing.
	They're not relevant to the conversation.
	Wow, my grandparents came... Totally sidelined by literally the last 25 years of immigration.
	Wow.
	That's 75% of all immigrants in this country came since Tony Blair.
	Mmm, wow.
	But yeah, they integrated.
	Or they assimilated.
	And they said, okay, cool.
	But this new type of immigration?
	They ain't integrating and assimilating with people.
	What's there to integrate into?
	Because if you go... I'm Bangladeshi.
	I leave Bangladesh, I go to London.
	Are you?
	That's how I am.
	And I go to Tower Hamlets.
	What am I going to integrate into?
	It's majority Bangladeshi.
	I'll become Bangladeshi.
	I already am.
	So what's going to change?
	Nothing.
	Like I said, it becomes a colony.
	Yeah.
	And you naturally gravitate somewhere where you won't recognize the language, the culture, the traditions, the customs, the food.
	You know, there's all these small things that would just naturally make you gravitate to go and live in the Bangladeshi colony.
	Why wouldn't you?
	Well, like I said, I think immigration's fine as long as you limit it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, it's just a shame the Conservatives didn't agree with you really, isn't it?
	Nick says, I actually have to agree with old mate here.
	I think it'd be foolish to wreck on the past with today's sensibilities.
	My grandparents would seem extremely big to you by today's standards.
	I'm sure a few generations previous they weren't more liberal.
	However, we can't be held responsible for things that happened before we existed.
	That is true, but also we can't deny that they have a knock-on effect to where we are now.
	It's like a hangover.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's like a colonist hangover or imperialism hangover, I think.
	There is something to be said for the fact that it does still exist now.
	And let's go for one from the current year.
	Gavin says, I'm glad Carl mentioned it being sad he killed himself in that way.
	It's honestly sickening to see the blind hatred people on the internet have towards people they disagree with politically.
	At the end of the day, these people have families and are your fellow citizens.
	Also, please consider releasing stickers or an enamel pin on the merch store.
	Okay, we can think about that.
	But yeah, I just view this guy as being kind of mad, frankly.
	Driven mad by the internet and ideology.
	You're less sympathetic.
	So there's this footage probably everyone's seen of a Saudi wedding where they've all got AKs.
	Yeah, I've seen that.
	And the guy buggers up and shoots the bride.
	Jesus!
	And it's just like... I didn't see that one.
	I've seen them firing in the air.
	Yeah, that's someone's family being killed.
	Are you all retarded?
	What did you think was going to happen?
	Like, you're being not safe with weapons.
	En masse.
	Yeah.
	Like... Jesus, can you even imagine?
	I mean, you're not getting invited to the next one.
	The happiest days of your life turned into your death.
	Yeah, just the work... and if you're surviving, family, just... Crazy.
	Jesus.
	Um, Thomas says, our politicians are telling you that unless they feel acutely the problem, they won't deal with the problem.
	Take the lesson for what it is.
	And that's, that's totally true, isn't it?
	But the politicians weren't going to do a damn thing about all of this until suddenly they're like, Oh God, we're afraid in Parliament.
	We might get stabbed.
	So yeah, well, that's been our lives.
	Yeah, but the thing they've done is separate themselves.
	Yes, of course.
	Like South African politicians who are just like, I don't want to live with the plebs.
	Like Joe Biden.
	Yeah.
	Which that means the problem isn't going to get solved.
	It's going to get worse.
	In fact, we have the statistics that just before we started.
	Remind me if I'm wrong.
	1.3 or 1.4 million?
	1.4.
	1.4 million this year?
	Guess how many of those are on work visas?
	1.4 million immigrants in last year.
	How many work visas?
	1.4 million people have immigrated into this country in a year.
	In a year.
	The Conservatives allowed in 1.4 million.
	That's why everything's falling apart, to be honest.
	The demand is just too high.
	What percentage of those do you think are on work visas?
	It's 25%, 24%.
	So three quarters of those immigrants aren't going to be working.
	They're just here to sponge off the students.
	So they're here to sponge off the universities.
	But a lot of them are just dependents who are just going to be taking welfare.
	So enjoy paying your taxes.
	You don't even know who's coming in your country, bro.
	That's crazy.
	I know, it's mad.
	It used to be like 100, 200,000, something like that.
	Like, I'm sorry, because I look at this via the lens of Wakanda.
	I know people say, oh, he's a mythical face.
	I'd say, if I ever ran a country or a nation, do you think I'm just going to be allowing any and everyone in?
	No way.
	I don't know who you are.
	I look at this through the lens of the Shire in Lord of the Rings.
	You know what I mean?
	If I ran this, you guys ain't coming in.
	Exactly.
	Like, heaven is a place with strong borders, that's all I'm saying.
	Hell has open borders.
	Hell has open borders, exactly.
	Furious Dan says, a man raised without a purpose will burn himself down to find one.
	Which is totally true.
	But on that note, we are running out of time.
	Do you want to promote yourself?
	tell everyone where to find you yes you guys can all find me at sarah garvey on youtube as you see i've got 110 000 subscribers at the moment i want to get that up to 200 000 um and yeah promote the videos you guys can see all the videos you can also catch me on twitter um yeah that's my twitter uh the black opinion sarah garvey nine and also on my instagram which is sarah garvey underscore 80
	well sorry oh that's my old one sarah underscore um GarveyAE1.
	I can't read at this moment in time.
	But yeah, I'm all over socials.
	Oh, my TikTok's not there.
	TikTok's got like 50,000.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	So yeah, that's me.
	Check me out.
	Thanks so much for coming on.
	Thank you very much for having me.
	Thank you very much for having me.

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