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	- - Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Load Suiters.
	I'm joined by Carl.
	Hello.
	And Connor.
	Hello.
	And today we're going to be talking about Liz Truss's popcorn conspiracy, those dumbass glasses, and also proof of big cats in the UK, which, is this your revenge?
	Well, kind of actually, yeah.
	All right.
	You just want to say I was right.
	Yes.
	A lot.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What else am I going to be right about?
	I don't know.
	Big cats.
	Oh god Yeah Let's get into the news before he gets too smug Right.
	Alright, so Liz Truss, as of Wednesday, no, Tuesday, two days ago now, decided to launch Popular Conservatism.
	Now, if you think by the title that's an oxymoron, you would be right.
	I don't even know if that's true, because, like, I'm sure we'll go through all the lists of points, but if you look at all the lists of points, you would have probably majority approval from the country itself.
	They're missing a big one.
	Well, yeah, I'm sure they are.
	A very, very, very most popular big one.
	Yeah, I'm sure they are.
	And also, the Conservative brand, they're not launching this outside the party.
	The party is electoral poison right about now.
	So, however, I think that's the exoteric presentation.
	The esoteric reading of this is a post-election effort to consolidate the five families of Northern Tory dissidents under one manageable umbrella with media connections.
	And I think there's a good case for it.
	But before we get into that, speaking of GB News, former presenter Calvin Robinson has now made the good decision to come and join us over at the Lotus Seaters and he will be doing his Common Sense Crusade on Thursday afternoons.
	There's the first episode as you're watching this if you're on YouTube.
	You can go and subscribe to the website for as little as £5 a month, or if you're an existing subscriber or a new subscriber, you can go to our Gold tier for 50% off for the first three months by using the code CRUSADE.
	And the incentive to do that is that Calvin, on the last part of the show, will be doing a Fatherly Advice segment.
	He'll be responding to your video comments and questions.
	If you do send it in to mark it out from the video comments we get from the usual podcast, please start your comment with Dear Father Calvin or Dear Calvin Robinson and the like, and you can interact with him.
	So look forward to that.
	Right, on to the news then.
	So this was Liz Truss's launch event.
	It was hosted at the Emmanuel Center in Westminster where they had NatCon last year, which was very successful, launched Miriam Cates and Danny Kruger as Rising Stars, Backbench Rebels, and the like, and they were trying to capitalize on the same energy.
	Don't think they quite got it, but there you go.
	It's headed up by the former head of the IEA, the Institute for Economic Affairs, the neoliberal think tank.
	So that's Mark Littlewood.
	Now he's jumped over to this to work with Liz Truss.
	And it coincided with Liz Truss's new book announcement, Ten Years to Save the West.
	Now, as you mentioned off-air...
	That was the case 10 years ago, Liz.
	I'm also just so sick of hearing Tory MPs have got a new book out.
	I don't care.
	You ever seen that Sam Hyde meme about this, actually?
	I don't know.
	There's this great meme from him where he's talking.
	He's like, oh, you've released a book, have you?
	Oh, yeah, that's going to change the Western canon.
	Oh, you're really adding to that collection, aren't you?
	It's like, no, you're wasting my time is what's going on.
	There are some books which are worthwhile.
	I don't think someone who is not quite capable of breaking the neoliberal paradigm is going to add to the Western canon though.
	You're right.
	Another MP's written a book, what about themselves?
	No man, Jess Phillips' book was pretty interesting.
	It was Nadine Doris's.
	I'll probably read this one too.
	I got hepatitis, did you?
	What was it, genital warts?
	No, no, no.
	It was the fact that she's like basically outlining the sort of corruption in there going, hey, you know, you can promise people favors and they'll do things for you if you scratch their back.
	And it's like, Jess, that's corruption.
	We're amazing.
	Anyway, can't wait for her to be helping lead the next government.
	This was also involving Jacob Rees-Mogg and Lee Anderson.
	Now this is very notable because Jacob Rees-Mogg was also a former cabinet minister.
	Lee Anderson has just resigned as deputy party chairman, the only Red Wall MP still in cabinet, over the Rwanda scandal.
	Both of them are GB News presenters.
	That is going to be a consistent strain as we see who is attending this and where this might be going.
	Also, Anderson was affiliated with the New Conservatives, so he was at their launch event and he was in the original Times article when they announced it, but then he didn't show up to the event where they debuted their immigration policy at the UnHerd Café, and they just said, oh, he's ill and also he can't be here as a splinter group in an official capacity, even though he went to the Tory Party Conference event.
	So he's now nailed his colours to the mask with this group rather than the New Cons after leaving his job.
	So there's clearly, even though this has just come out of nowhere and the new cons have some staying power in terms of being able to influence policy, he's clearly backing this for a reason.
	Why is there a distinction between the Nat cons and the Pop cons?
	That's a great question.
	Why aren't these just the same groups of people?
	Because they're trying to do the same thing.
	So I think what they're trying to do, as we'll pull out the list later, is they're trying to be the umbrella organisation for all of these, because there's a bunch of groups.
	There's Suella's and Robert Jenrick's rebels, I think they're unnamed, but they also sit with and vote with the Nucons.
	There's a European research group that Jacob used to head up, used to be headed up by Marc Francois, is now headed up by Andrea Jenkins MP, who is the only person to have publicly put a letter in against Rishi Sunak.
	I mean, let's not kid ourselves.
	Liz Truss has absolutely put a letter of no confidence in about Rishi Sunak.
	So of like 28 others, but she's now the face of that.
	So I think what they're trying to do is wrangle all of these adjacent but name distinct groups together under one manageable group, which has a media apparatus also to push their agenda.
	So, I mean, it's something.
	I'm struggling to see the point, if I'm honest.
	Like aren't half these people, they're not going to have a seat in a few months.
	Lots of them are.
	And then, well where's it going?
	Because like you mentioned, the Conservative Party is just, it's even lower than it was under Theresa May.
	Yes.
	At this point.
	I'm very much... And that's the news for Jeremy Corbyn.
	Yeah, like I'm very much of the opinion it needs killing, so I'm just not...
	I'm not invested in the drama, if you know what I mean.
	Sure, but this is because you aren't within the camp and thinking after the next election the soil is going to be fertilized for us to take over in opposition and do some real conservatism.
	Yeah, I'm not on that train.
	No, I'm not saying you have to be.
	I'm saying this is their mindset.
	So it's very instructive to see where politics is going to go after the next election.
	Whether or not they're going to be successful...
	Who knows?
	But they might be introducing someone because they think they have a better chance at success if they do so.
	I'll mention that in a moment.
	So I just thought I'd bring up a tweet from a friend here because this is genuinely the vibe and this seems to be what you've given off.
	It's funny that every four months journalists and various MPs and hacks are dragged into a central London to watch what is basically a glorified PowerPoint presentation on the latest ragtag team of politicians to announce the latest harebrained scheme to attempt to fix the country.
	It's exactly your position!
	I'm so bored of it.
	I need to get preempted so easily.
	Great minds think alike, I suppose.
	Well done, Adam.
	Anyway, so who was there, right?
	So I'm focusing on Liz Truss here.
	And she did this little interview.
	And it's worth watching a little bit just to, again, see the lack of enthusiasm and the boilerplate points.
	And by the way, I don't even dislike Liz.
	No, I don't.
	I've always referred to him as a bit dim just because she doesn't understand how politics really works.
	She didn't understand that she was always going to be ousted.
	But she had some right instincts.
	But this just sounds sort of tired.
	So she was interviewed by GB News here.
	And I'll just play a little bit of it.
	Liz Truss, why do we need in this country the popular conservatives?
	Well, we've had a Conservative government for 14 years, and we've achieved many things, including Brexit, trade deals, keeping Jeremy Corbyn out of office.
	But one of the problems we have is, though we've got a Conservative government, what we're seeing in our schools, in our universities, in our corporate sector, is the spreading of wokery, of left-wing ideas.
	And what PopCon is about, it's about combating that.
	Because the people of Britain want us to deal with the real issues.
	Immigration's too high.
	The government's too big.
	Taxes are too high.
	What we constantly hear is the left.
	So Popcon is about challenging that.
	It's about challenging the left-wing orthodoxy and making it positive to be a Conservative.
	So has your government lost its way then?
	That's why you need it?
	We need a grassroots movement, that's what this is about.
	It's about making sure that the environment is positive for conservatism, so that people feel empowered to talk about being a conservative.
	And it becomes a positive thing in society, because I believe that conservative solutions are right solutions.
	I know from talking on the doorstep to residents in Norfolk, that's what they want.
	I am going to pause it there.
	Dead paradigm.
	Just utter dead paradigm.
	She actually didn't say that it did fail, though.
	This is the distinction I want to make.
	She couldn't say it, right?
	But it's obvious.
	It is obvious, but the fact that they're not saying it and it's obvious to all of us is why they're going to keep failing.
	This is what we discussed yesterday with Mike Freer, right?
	We all know that he was handed out of office by an Islamic extremist.
	He said he was threatened by them.
	He said they firebombed his constituency office.
	We all know that the acid attack in Clapham was because of the asylum system, because he wouldn't have been here to acid attack it otherwise.
	What do they always do?
	Well, it's not really about that.
	It's about social media.
	It's not washing, right?
	Just tell Liz, you might actually see this because again, she follows us, just say they're traitors.
	Because you are the shortest-lived Prime Minister in history for fairly unjust reasons.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They literally knifed you in the back.
	You have nothing to lose.
	Stole someone that nobody wanted.
	Yeah, you have nothing to lose by not appeasing these people.
	Actually, you're probably stronger after the next election if you position yourself against the current government.
	But the problem is... You're not going to appeal to them.
	The problem, right, is that Liz isn't I have no idea what that means.
	I mean, she's not very charismatic.
	Yeah.
	She's not presenting the best possible case in the strongest possible way, in a way that is gripping and compels you to at least carry on listening to what she said.
	Because after five seconds of her talking, I'm like, I mean, I've just been like it, right?
	Exactly.
	She turned around and just went, oh yeah, I was killed by a bunch of traitors who have done all this.
	See, if she said that, literally said that, I'd be like, okay, I'm listening.
	But she's not.
	She's very deflated.
	How do I defend this party that everyone hates and wants nothing to do with?
	Yeah, and I think the reason this is probably going nowhere, at least for the time being, is because of this obsession with ideas over aesthetics or vibes or something to buy into.
	Like, you can talk about lowering taxes and maybe nudging immigration a little bit and, ooh, aren't the woke really that bad?
	But it's very over-intellectualized, and it doesn't have an affirmative vision that you want to buy into just because it looks like it's got momentum.
	The perfect example against this, and I think you're probably going to end up covering it tomorrow or next week, is Bukele.
	The optics on Bukele's victory speech.
	Crushes his demonic enemies, makes his country prosperous, wins 83% of the election, and then does his victory speech on the balcony of a neoclassical palace with his wife by his side.
	That's pretty good.
	That's an aspirational dream that basically every man wants to buy into.
	Sure.
	If you want popular conservatism, do that.
	That's the vibe you need to bring out.
	Not just standing and reasonably stating that things have gone a little bit too far after they cooed you.
	A bit too muted, but there you go.
	Also, if you notice there, she just said immigration's too high, right?
	During her actual speech, the launch event, she didn't really focus on it at all.
	Mark Littlewood didn't focus on it at all because he's a neoliberal and the IEA are pretty happy with immigration.
	They're just like, we need to just build more houses to accommodate the entire third world.
	It's a supply problem, not a demand problem.
	So I do want to know if Liz wants to be a popular conservative.
	Has she changed her mind since this?
	Yeah.
	That was only two years ago.
	Not even.
	A year and a half ago.
	This was right before party conference.
	Do you want to read it out for people listening?
	Oh yeah, sure.
	Liz is preparing to increase immigration to fill job vacancies and boost economic growth in a move that will anger some of her ministers and MPs.
	The Prime Minister plans to raise the number of workers allowed to enter the UK, government sources have confirmed.
	So this was September.
	Why can't the Conservatives just look at the polls on every issue and find, okay, the public 60% in this direction was going to do exactly that because it'd be just essentially the far-right agenda.
	Why can't they just do that?
	Because they're locked into a managerial paradigm.
	How Parliament works is they go into backroom meetings with various OBR officials, Treasury advisors, Whitehall, mandarins and spags and they sit them down and go look here's a graph that we've cooked up ignore the fact we've left a bunch of numbers off like gdp per capita you need to grow the economy and the only way to grow the economy is either to improve productivity which comes through innovation which we don't really have or growing the population which we don't really have because of birth rate so how about a million indians and that's what you've got
	And it just seems like the fix-all plaster.
	Never mind the fact that most of these vacancies... I mean, I heard yesterday that 54% of the country are on benefits now?
	Of some kind?
	Yeah.
	Never mind that most of these vacancies are either because you are not innovating in things like agriculture, so you could have better machines rather than just random Bulgarians coming over and picking the fruit.
	Just to be clear, this isn't evenly distributed either.
	Yep.
	83% of white British adults are in employment.
	It's 48% or something like that in the Muslim community.
	Yeah.
	I'm really glad we were importing a net economic benefit.
	So just, just to hammer it home, if you want popular conservatism, the number one issue in the country, most salient issue to voters is immigration's too high, which is why in every single election referendum for the past, I don't know, 14 years, they've asked to lower it.
	Haven't done it.
	So that might be the most popular thing, but there you go.
	Someone else who showed up.
	Jackery Smog.
	Now, right before this happened, he wrote a piece for Con Home.
	Now, Con Home are the Tories talking to themselves.
	They do internal leadership polls, so it's always good to get a bellwether.
	And he said it's time for popular conservatism.
	He also did an interview on the Morning Breakfast Show with Eamon Holmes, and Eamon Holmes did point out, much like Callum, he said, you could tell your face that you're excited about this.
	You're not exactly overjoyed with enthusiasm thinking this is going to go somewhere, are you?
	But there you go.
	So Mog wrote, once the ability to make decisions has been restored and the blocking blob removed, then popular conservative policies must be introduced.
	The global travails of modern government are as much caused by their perceived powerlessness as by their failures.
	This is when the smaller state, lower taxes and less regulation can be introduced.
	The blocks need to be removed first.
	Ah yes, it's purely material concerns.
	That's it.
	The administrative state is getting in the way of us being from Singapore on temp.
	Sure, I mean, I'll take it.
	I'll take my taxes.
	It'll be better than what we have now.
	If only there was someone who could have done anything about this at any point.
	I'm sorry, I just... I know.
	All of these names, I just hope they have professional death, because I can't think of anything else better for them.
	Yeah, well, I did... I'm glad you said that.
	I did want to raise the point that... Do you remember what one of Jacob's titles was under Boris Johnson?
	What he was cabinet minister for.
	Oh, it must have been Brexit.
	Brexit opportunities and government efficiency.
	There we go.
	Now, he did not get rid of all of the EU laws during his time there.
	His successor, Kemi Badenoch, refused to commit to the quote, bonfire of EU regulation proposed by the European Research Group that Jacob used to lead.
	Do you remember when, and Nadine has suggested this and I've suggested this before, and I caught some flack from the audience but I think people are starting to become aware of it now, that there was the idea that Michael Gove and Kemi Badenoch are basically working together to prop up Kemi as a Pied Piper candidate.
	Yeah, that's what Nadine Doris says in her book.
	So it was actually worth reading.
	It's not an addition to the Western canon, but there was some inside information.
	Not worth reading.
	None of these people deserve any future.
	Like, they all just deserve- But they're going to have a future.
	What they deserve is- I really don't think they are.
	If you look at the breakdown of who's probably going to keep their seats, Kemi and Govard and Truss definitely is going to keep her seat.
	Somehow Gove is still polluting this country.
	He's like Palpatine.
	There's a huge way to go on the election and I still think there's a massive opportunity for Nigel Farage of reform.
	And so I really don't see a future for these people and I wish they don't as well.
	We're going to be mentioning Farage momentarily.
	Okay.
	Because I think we can see Farage's future laid out.
	But the reason I mentioned Kemi is because I genuinely think this is the effort to stop Kemi being leader.
	I think this is the effort by the Popcons to stop Gove having his puppet candidate take over and continue the continuity of what has lost them the election.
	What would it matter?
	That's what I'm getting at.
	These guys had positions.
	Their opposition had positions.
	They both did the same thing.
	It depends who's funding them and who's giving them advice.
	That's all I can say.
	Then we'll go on to Littlewood.
	So Littlewood ran the IEA, and he was interviewed by GB News, but they got rid of the clip, which is annoying.
	But he did say in that, he was asked, is Nigel anyway involved in this?
	And he said, quote, this is not a vehicle for Nigel Farage or any one person.
	I'm sceptical.
	But there you go.
	So he wrote this article at the same time that Jacobs came out on The Telegraph.
	And The Telegraph is interesting because The Telegraph is currently having its purchase being blocked because the United Arab Emirates wanted to buy it?
	Yeah.
	And the Culture Secretary, Lucy Fraser, has said, well, we're going to look into this per the Lords.
	But who originally wanted to buy it was Paul Marshall.
	And Paul Marshall sat on the board of GB News.
	He's Winston Marshall's dad.
	And he actually left The Spectator because Fraser Nelson, who is a traitor, decided to call him a racist for absolutely no reason.
	Looking to be connective tissue between GB News, their presenters, possibly the Telegraph, and the future of the Conservative Party.
	So we're seeing something emerge here, but he's written, again with Thatcher in the thumbnail.
	Annoying.
	Many Tories currently are feeling a sense of malaise, yet another leadership election would be madness.
	Rishi Sunak must lead the party into this year's general election.
	What the party need is the right policies and then to push those policies through.
	We know the Conservative principles are popular in this country, but this only translates into electoral success when actual results are shown.
	Just one more government, please!
	Just one more government, please!
	We'll change everything!
	I just can't get over it!
	I'm so done!
	I'm so done!
	It pains me.
	It physically pains me.
	That's why I'll shut up.
	The problem is you're presuming that they want them to win.
	No, I'm just not listening anymore to the Conservative Party or Westminster.
	I'm checked out.
	That's where I'm at, but I'll shut up.
	Well, they still govern us, but that's why it's useful.
	They'll still govern us for another six months or so.
	Do exactly what they've always done.
	And then the Labour Party continuing, basically, their policy agenda.
	Nothing will change.
	I am going to buy that shirt with nothing ever happens written on it.
	That's where I'm at.
	Alright, so what is he proposing?
	So he's saying, Labour proposes more state control, more tax and more debt.
	Labour's proposing a bunch of Tory policies.
	It's up to the Conservatives to make the case for economic freedom and lower taxes.
	This is a popular policy platform, but MPs need to stop subcontracting their jobs to unaccountable institutions like the OBR and start making decisions themselves.
	It's time we repealed the Equality Act and rooted out all taxpayers' money that is being poured into diversity inclusivity policies.
	That would have been great ages ago.
	It's time to give people their freedom back.
	That's what Brexit was meant to be about.
	Taking back control.
	Notice that's the only time he mentions anything even adjacent to immigration.
	Statists want to give this control to a swap of international lawyers, unaccountable bodies, and treaties, anonymous and unelected civil servants, quangos, and central government departments.
	You know, like the Conservatives have been doing for the last 14 years.
	Wait, what?
	I just can't get over this.
	Yes.
	Uh, Conservatives want- I love the way- So, just so you know, they act as if they've literally just been dropped onto planet Earth.
	They do this every election.
	I know!
	It's the same thing.
	It's sufferable.
	Yep.
	Conservatives want power transferred to families, communities, businesses, and individuals instead.
	So, It's just positive mouth noises.
	It's just what hands are totally tied, even though we've got a 380 seat majority.
	I mean, we've just never been able to do anything.
	We just want this.
	We will forever say we want it and do nothing.
	Yes.
	God, it's so insufferable.
	Quite.
	So, no path to power for these guys yet.
	Absolutely no self-correction mechanism, because as you said in our live stream last week, which you can go and watch, I recommend it, they are in post-Soviet levels of denial.
	Yeah.
	They're just persecuting the people that are ringing the alarm bells like David Frost and saying you're heading for electoral wipeout, maybe a vert course.
	So, they're absolutely going to lose.
	So, I think the reason that PopCon exists is to corral all of these guys, which are the five families, the people that tried to get the Rwanda bill amended to actually ensure that deportation's bothered even happening, under the same roof to then capitalize on when the Conservatives are in opposition to stop a continuity candidate taking their place.
	I think that's the thinking here and one of the reasons I think that's the thinking is because look who showed up.
	Why was Farage there?
	Now, Faraz said he was there just to cover the event later on his show, but he didn't dedicate that much time to it.
	And I want to play a little clip of Nigel, because his response to the question, are you getting involved in this, very telling.
	Where can we skip to?
	In this room, how many current serving Conservative members of Parliament are here?
	I think less than a handful.
	And so the point really is that whilst I agree with many of the things, not all, but many of the things that Liz Truss is saying, within the Conservative Parliamentary Party she's part of an embattled minority.
	Are you joining this group?
	No.
	No, I'm not joining this group.
	I'm interested in the ideas, and I think after the Conservatives get thrashed at the next election, which, by the way, they thoroughly, thoroughly deserve, then I think, maybe, finally, we'll get a reuniting of the right in British politics.
	It was briefly presented to the electorate in December 2019.
	It won them an 80-seat majority.
	The problem was the Conservative Party never really believed in the things they were putting to the electorate.
	Now, I think a big part of this is just how well reform did.
	Every vote reform gets makes a realignment of some kind more likely.
	Looks like you're correct.
	Realignment.
	But even if it happens, okay, they get thrashed, and then trust me, bro, this time, this time, bro, after this time, we'll finally get it right.
	I don't believe it.
	I just don't believe it.
	That whole party is institutionally destroyed.
	He's implying The Conservatives will get wiped out and reform will take their place.
	Yeah, and they'll bend to his will.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And the existing party apparatus being led by someone more amenable than Govan Badenoch will allow them to assimilate.
	Yeah, or... Yeah, that won't work.
	I'm sorry, but it just will never work that you can just change the Conservative Party.
	We've had so many attempts at this.
	So many people doing it better than us.
	I'm not saying be optimistic.
	I think you're misunderstanding me.
	I'm not saying be optimistic.
	I'm not saying you are.
	I'm saying Farage is wrong if he thinks that.
	No, no, I don't think he's saying change the Conservative Party.
	I think what he's suggesting is that reform will overthrow the Conservative Party.
	And this is essentially what can be extracted from the Conservative Party that is any good.
	Oh, a replacement could work.
	Yeah.
	I think that's what's being implied by Farage.
	Are you going to join this group?
	Absolutely not.
	Like, you could see the confidence.
	You will get in line with me.
	Yeah, but you could see the confidence there.
	It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
	You know, it'll still depend how well reformed it is.
	You can see that he's thinking, I'm going to absorb all of this.
	I'm just going to suck all of this up and be the right in Britain.
	Part of the reason I think this is because during Liz Truss's speech she made the joke that she doesn't get invited to any Downing Street or Westminster dinner parties.
	What she does get invited to are all the GB News parties.
	She got invited to the Christmas Party.
	Again, she's not a presenter, but her colleagues and her allies are presenters.
	And also got invited to the Conservative Party Conference Party with Priti Patel to do karaoke with Nigel Farage.
	So if you think that politics works on relationships, there's clearly a strong relationship here between GB News, former IEA, Telegraph, Farage, and the dissident Conservative MPs that were kicked out of cabinet after being elected on the Brexit mandate that hasn't been carried through.
	And so this was the consequence that I'll end on.
	Afterwards, Chris Hope has reported, as per GB News, that 70 donors and 30 Conservative MPs went to Jacob Rees-Mogg's house for a strategy meeting.
	So, more MPs than were actually in attendance decided to rock up and be amenable to joining this effort.
	Total cowardice, though.
	I agree.
	Frustrating.
	Do we expect any better of the Conservative Party on the precipice of collapse?
	So this is what I'm saying.
	I'm not saying that this is going to be the great saviour of the British Right.
	I'm not saying that we're going to get our naïve Bukele rising up from this.
	But keep an eye on this, because I genuinely think that this is some kind of coordinated effort to re-fertilise the soil after a Conservative defeat.
	Well, let's move on.
	I was going to say something, but you know what I think, so I need the mouse.
	Oh yeah, sorry.
	I think Faraz is basically going to try and flip a bunch of these people.
	He's being a tactician.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I think he's been quite clever about it.
	Who knows?
	There's like a year or whatever left.
	God knows what's going to happen.
	Rightio.
	Well, let's do something a bit more, um... I don't know what to even call this.
	This is one of those segments where I don't really know what I'm doing, but we'll find out.
	Because I just kept seeing clips and wanted to talk about it.
	And it's those goggles, those damn goggles that everyone's wearing.
	Is everyone wearing them?
	I've not seen anyone wearing them.
	Well, the tech bros, because what are they, four and a half grand?
	Something stupid?
	They are quite expensive.
	Oh, it's the Apple thing.
	People who don't know what I'm talking about, just real quick, that's it.
	These are the Apple Vision goggles.
	Right, the Goon goggles, yeah.
	Look kind of silly and pretty goofy.
	But before we get into that, I have an announcement to make, which is, you know, as we previously made, Calvin's on the side now.
	He's with us, and he's starting a crusade.
	So if you'd like to join the crusade, you get your suit of armor, your sword, and you type in your credit card information to thelosias.com, and then... yeah.
	Well, you know, it begins like that, but it ends with taking the Holy Land.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Well, it's not a financial promise, but...
	It's a goal.
	This is not theological advice.
	Yeah, there might not be promises kept, promises made on that one.
	Anyway, but you can come and join, and if you sign up to Gold Tier, you get to send in video comments, and it's 50% off using code CRUSADE for the first three months, and if you want to send it to him, make sure he's specific that you're sending it to him in the video you're sending, so you know, start it with the Holy Father I have sinned, or whatever you please.
	But anyway, back to the goggles, because the goggle-eyed freaks are at it again.
	And as you can see, this looks pretty goofy.
	These are some fellas eating their dinner in a Chinese restaurant, and they didn't take them off.
	They kept them on for the whole time, because it's augmented reality.
	So it's not that it's making up the world, but it adds screens in front of what you can see anyway.
	We covered this in the last Cyberpunk Dystopia.
	I know, that's why I wanted to do it, because I knew you'd have some thoughts for sure.
	And this goes on quite a bit.
	I mean, it is very goofy, to say the least.
	Look at these chaps.
	You know what this is?
	This is like peak techno-Russoianism.
	It's like the ultimate form of solacism.
	You expect everyone around you to accommodate you because you're basically blind and have whatever projected onto the actual real world.
	Meanwhile, you feel you have no obligation or social considerations to people around you.
	You're getting everything you want with zero social consequences, as far as you're concerned.
	Zero social interactions.
	I don't think it's like that at all, because they're not costing anyone anything else, and they're not blind either.
	You can see everything.
	If everyone starts doing this, civilization has a cost.
	Well, here's the thing, because there's a way of looking at this, and I was thinking about it over lunch, is that you see it already.
	I mean, we had it especially when we were teenagers, and you just look at your phone, you're typing while walking.
	or watching stuff, or the headphones on all the time.
	That's a change.
	That didn't exist in the 90s, and it exists now.
	And this just seems to be the logical conclusion of that, because these things can't do anything that your phone can't.
	It's just that the screens are in front of you in virtual reality.
	So, I don't know.
	I mean, this won't be...
	It's so embarrassing, though, isn't it?
	It is kind of cringe, don't get me wrong.
	This won't be the ultimate change.
	Well, that's what you're seeing.
	But I suppose an old man looking at a guy using a smartphone would see it stupid as well.
	Yeah.
	We'll get to that opinion later.
	It is.
	You are right.
	Stop looking around on your goddamn phone.
	It is goofy as heck.
	I mean, this is a guy on the subway.
	And of course, when there's just one of you doing it, it does look really weird.
	But I mean, if everyone on that train was doing it, they're on their phones, for example.
	Then if everyone, if everyone was on the train in these goggles, I would definitely say that something has gone wrong with civilization.
	But I imagine you see it the same way with everyone on their smartphones.
	Yeah, it's pretty similar.
	Because that's all I'm looking at this as, because people think that it's a massive change.
	I really don't think it's that big of a change.
	We're already in that kind of hellscape.
	It's just that this looks a bit more hellscape because it's on your face.
	But anyway, they're not the only ones.
	I mean, this guy is getting in his fighting technique.
	It's a Jonathan Pie.
	Maybe.
	He's very happy to tell you that you can learn to fight while using the goggles.
	Finally got into Westminster.
	I don't know why he's wearing it in between your sessions in the office, because he's wearing a full suit as well.
	Decided he'd do some workouts, but... It's a civil servant defeating white supremacy.
	God.
	There is a certain kind of human being that is going to be way more... Take this, Tommy Robinson.
	I guarantee you're right, yeah.
	You know, most people, if they did this, if the price came down, because it's three and a half grand, if this became $500, for example, and it worked just as well, and the way technology goes, I imagine that's going to be the case in July.
	A lot of people would get this, I reckon.
	And then it could go down even further to be cheaper and then you don't actually need a phone anymore.
	It's just on your face.
	And it's going to get smaller and more, uh, well.
	Less intrusive.
	Eventually it will just be a little chip or something you have literally attached to your face or something like that.
	And it'll just project something in front of your eyes that no one else will basically see.
	Because we definitely are getting there at this point.
	Because I mean, this technology, like in this example, these guys checking it out, it does physically work.
	But there is some people who are going to be way worse, for sure.
	Influencers.
	Just cancerous human beings on the best of days.
	And they walk around with their cameras live streaming as they do whatever for attention.
	They walk into a shop and break one of the TVs and wonder why they get arrested.
	Yeah, I mean, the people are just chasing clicks endlessly.
	They play racist songs in a foreign country to try and get attention.
	I mean, yeah, these guys, these guys are going to do what they're going to do, which is be insufferable.
	I think this guy, I'll even start it off the audio.
	I have chat in front of me at all times.
	Imagine being that dealer.
	Imagine being that dealer and you've got some guy talking about the chat in front of you.
	This is the logical extension of city living and public transport.
	Because even without your phone, if you're on public transport with a friend, You're kind of lonely in a public place because you're having possibly a private conversation with everyone in earshot and everyone just has to accommodate you by pretending they just can't hear you.
	So this is the same thing.
	This is just ratcheting up that logic.
	So there's an aspect of that I think already exists that's even worse, which there is an ethnic line to it, if we're honest, which is Arabs.
	Oh my god, get off your phone!
	You haven't invented earphones in the subcontinent.
	I don't want to hear your Greedo language.
	Well, you know, you're calling your loved ones.
	It's usually the mum.
	I love family values, that's great.
	But for the love of Christ, the phone goes... Just go on the phone, put the earphones in.
	You don't have to have your mother on speakerphone whilst FaceTiming her.
	As someone who dated an Arab, that's definitely an Arab thing and I've noticed it a lot and I'm not the only one.
	But anyway, public service announcement's over.
	There is some other people, of course, as I mentioned, you know, influencers.
	I hate that word, but I think there is a correct usage of it.
	Yeah, yeah, I think this sort of person is an influencer.
	Well, there's another one, of course, because I mentioned pranks.
	Some guy decided to watch porn on speaker.
	This is why I called it the Goon Goggles.
	You'd be permanently plugged into the Gooniverse.
	But not everyone has to do that, of course.
	There's this guy who just does work.
	Hang on, go back a sec.
	Thank God that woman's just come over.
	No, no, no, knock this off.
	Oh, he's playing it out loud as well.
	Like, it's for attention.
	It's for a video.
	The same way that you go into a Walmart and give someone fake... Sorry, you give them the free phone and then they get arrested as they leave.
	Because it wasn't free, you just took it off the rack.
	That sort of annoying people.
	But they'll be annoying all the time anyway.
	This guy is a bit delusional.
	He walks into a coffee shop and is doing a review of the goggles and says that no one was looking at him, so it's pretty cool how nobody notices it.
	And it's like, No.
	No, it's definitely noticed.
	It's not even noticed, it's just like, you're a pervert.
	You're a sick freak.
	It doesn't matter if no one notices.
	No, if you're watching something weird in public, basically.
	Oh, he's not.
	Oh, right.
	That's why I thought you were going from the... No, no, just the last guy is being an annoying freak.
	Oh, because when you said it, it's kind of cool because no one notices.
	Like, that's what I thought you meant.
	Okay.
	He was just talking about the Golgaz in general.
	Right, okay.
	But there is a joke going around that the people who hate it, of course, are just going to assume that these people are watching pornography all the time to try and demonize it.
	But I don't know.
	I don't think that's going to work.
	Honestly, I would be more on your side when we did that Cyberpunk thing and that mindset.
	But the more I think about it, it's just the march of time and it might be horrible.
	You know, you might take that view, but you can't stop it.
	Just don't wear it.
	I mean, I'm just obsessed with the aesthetics of the thing.
	I mean, if you were going to morph into a literal bug man, it wouldn't be very much further than this.
	Yeah.
	But you've actually got now, like, bug eyes on the front of your face.
	Terrible design, for sure.
	I did actually prefer Google Glass, because at least it looks kind of techy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It looks like Matrix-y or something.
	No, no, no.
	You look like you're morphing into a literal bug, just so you know.
	So, I mean, this one's a particularly funny one where he's just walking down the street, but that bug man thing, it's like the weirdest ski goggles.
	But there we are.
	That's how it looks for people who aren't using it, right?
	And yeah, that criticism's fine.
	It's true.
	Looks strange, sure.
	But then I thought, would I like this?
	So I thought I'd go and check it out and see what can you get exactly.
	You're going to buy one?
	Well, I'm not going to buy it, obviously, because it's three and a half grand.
	But if the price point changes, and it probably will in the next five years to being $500 instead, you know, that's an easier deal for like, hey, why not?
	You could.
	I mean, but everyone at home would be wearing them as well.
	This is how the world goes.
	So this is the case for them, I suppose, which is this guy here, he's doing his workout and you can set up screens.
	So this is his viewpoint, wherever you like, whatever you want to.
	It's kind of like being in Gmod back in the day, which is I don't know how that became relevant again, but there we are.
	So, you can continue watching... Oh God, what is he watching there?
	Subway Surfers, isn't it?
	He's just watching Subway Surfers!
	Someone play Subway Surfers!
	Are you kidding me?
	Yeah, he's imagining that he's running on the treadmill like a subway... This is what I'm saying, it's juvenile, don't do it.
	I think you could do better things with what to watch, but... More importantly, I think actually, not being constantly stimulated is good for your brain, and this constant stimulation makes you a dopamine addict.
	Who can't go any amount of time.
	Terribly sorry.
	Just in your own thoughts and in your own head.
	Like this is an escape from having to think about things.
	That's the problem with this.
	Well, that's, that's the problem with modern society already.
	It's not even you.
	Yeah.
	But that's this, I mean, at least how do you interact with that?
	You know, cause at least with your phone, at least you have to physically do something like this is just now it's just in front of my eyes all the time.
	Also, like, constant screen overexposure.
	Hello?
	It does burn your eyes out, so that's going to be an even worse problem.
	So I don't know about that, because the way the screen works on this is really weird, like, it's not normal technology for sure.
	But maybe, absolutely, if it does.
	But the idea that this would be the thing that destroys the ability to sit and watch a movie, I think that's gone.
	I don't think the phone and this are that really different in that regard.
	But then you don't have to do it.
	It's better to unplug than adopt.
	Continually adopt.
	Sure, and we could take this position.
	Us three could opt out of the Matrix, but what's going to happen to the most of humanity?
	Yeah, and they're still going to be addicted to the computer.
	I mean, have you ever checked out... I mean, I'm sure you get shorts, right?
	And there's, like, a movie clip on half of the screen, and the other half of the screen is Subway Surfer, or someone playing GTA and falling down a... I can't watch a 30-second movie clip without some sort of autistic lights flashing in my face!
	You just don't understand, Callum.
	Yeah, but that's what works.
	Is that a thing?
	Yeah, no, it is.
	Huge thing.
	If you ever check out Shorts or Facebook Shorts or whatever, I mean, there are guys who made Twitter videos telling you how to make money doing it, so a bunch of people jumped on as well doing that.
	Because if you make them, people watch them.
	And you'll end up with a million views per short, and you'll end up with a few hundred bucks extra per month.
	So, okay.
	That's um, it's kind of like making spam ads, but you know, that's, that's the world.
	I'm just saying when the Luddite revolution comes, I'll be leading it.
	But would you want to watch YouTube videos or watch music or listen to Jordan Peterson or whatever on a screen whilst running on a treadmill rather than CNN, which the... I've got headphones, I can put my headphones in.
	Yeah, so this is just the logical extension of that.
	I don't have to see it all the time.
	I think we're actually in touch with the real world.
	There is something more to this.
	But you are right, it is a logical extension of what already exists.
	You can see it perfectly in that snapshot actually, which is of course in the 90s you'd look at the TV while running and in this case the guy's just got his own TV and we'll cover that up.
	Sadly with Subway Surfer in this case.
	We're meant to each their own.
	There is a guy here showing off what it can do.
	This is kind of interesting.
	So I'll play this.
	Big screen TV set up on my wall.
	Gordon Ramsay showing me how to cook above the stove.
	Notes right here for some groceries.
	Can walk around freely.
	Here's what it looks like when it's on.
	Hey, how's it going?
	- Dog man.
	- Hey, how's it going?
	- Oh, hey, catch. - Thank you.
	And as we walk around the house, everything stays pinned exactly where we left it.
	And that's it.
	Let me know if you have questions.
	You get home from your long day at work.
	Hello, family!
	And you've got that on, and your kids have all got one on, and your dog's got one on.
	No.
	Well, they don't have kids, obviously.
	Well, yeah, they don't, yeah.
	Well, as mentioned, times are going to change.
	That's the three and a half grand prototype version, proof of concept.
	And when it's $500 and doesn't look like that, it's going to be a different world.
	But, I mean, there's definitely an advantage there.
	You don't need to buy a TV ever.
	Cause you can have one that's 4k wherever you want and in multiple.
	There's something so solipsistic about this.
	It's like, I'm the very center of the universe.
	Cause I mean, like with the point with the TV, okay.
	Okay.
	Well, it's TV's bad for your eyes.
	Sure.
	But at least there's a shared experience there.
	Right.
	Everyone in the room has to watch the same thing.
	They have to have to listen to the same thing.
	They've all gone through the same thing.
	At least have a point of reference that each one recognizes.
	No, no, no, no.
	This is just me.
	You've no idea what's on my goggles, blah, blah, blah.
	Why would I bother interacting with anything outside of the goggles?
	Eventually it'll just become, there's just no need.
	I've got so much stimulation coming into me.
	Obviously I don't need it.
	Like him and his wife could sit and watch the same thing.
	They could, but it's going to be something they have to opt into.
	The thing about television is you didn't have a choice.
	What was on the TV was on the TV.
	I know that's gone.
	I'm not saying that's a good thing though.
	Yeah, but this is what I find great and is a great example of why I think this isn't just a fad.
	Simpsons, for example.
	We all know early Simpsons.
	We all love early Simpsons.
	We've all got the memes and everything else.
	What modern show has that power?
	Well, nothing, because that was the perfect time of television dominance, and then the perfect show for that era.
	And no one below us has any kind of the same reference.
	They'll have some shows they've watched together, but nothing like that.
	And it's this argument, the one you're laying out, I can see the truth in it, don't get me wrong.
	But I remember when you were reading to me Peter Hitchens complaining about central heating.
	He's not wrong.
	Because all of a sudden the whole family do not sit in the same room and have shared experiences.
	They're in their own rooms, the stairs, working on the radios.
	Logical conclusion is this.
	Yeah, um, if you want running water or central heating.
	I mean, it does end up like this.
	Go back to Watson and Dorb.
	You are going to end up a bit, um, Ancapist.
	So, not Ancap, what's the... Anprim, if you, uh... Yeah.
	If you go down that.
	Now, it's hard to tell what's real and what's people taking the piss.
	So, forgive me if this is wrong, but I saw someone showing off what they believe to be a night vision, because it maps the space in front of you, so you don't actually need to be able to see in the dark anymore, because the goggles just do it for you.
	Does it map the mugger?
	Presumably yes.
	It changes his face to more Caucasian complexion.
	If Apple get their way.
	Well, I was gonna say, this is also the concern about solipsism.
	Anyone can get, like, a mod for this.
	So, what's the moral argument to stop someone walking down the street with, like, a nudity mod, basically, on this?
	Because it's like, well, you can't see it, it's not harming you, it's making you a bubble of moral inconsiderateness.
	I mean, there are people who probably walk around thinking about what everyone looks like naked right now.
	Yeah, they're awful to do that.
	They'll be the people installing the mod just to live their dreams.
	Yeah, and they're horrible people.
	I don't think we should... I don't think technology exists to facilitate that.
	You can't stop it, I understand, but it's just like, that's bad.
	It's just the world we're moving to.
	So there's this guy who decided to get Elon Musk vision that he's celebrating here.
	He's sitting in his Tesla, and he actually tweeted at Elon, and Elon retweeted this, being like, oh, it's fantastic.
	It's him scrolling through Twitter, of course, in his Tesla, and there is something about it that's just like...
	Oh, God.
	Could you imagine if all the technology was owned by the same guy or company?
	The horrors you could inflict.
	So, there's that.
	There's just too much stuff.
	There's also... I'm not paying attention to any of it.
	There's also toilet vision, of course, because... Oh, that would be great for you, Carl.
	Yeah.
	People go to the toilet with their phones.
	This is normal.
	Now, you can take a poop wherever you like.
	You can make out that you're on a mountain.
	Isn't this a Rick and Morty episode?
	Yeah!
	And now it's reality!
	This guy decided he doesn't go to the toilet where he lives.
	He breathes in the sweet air.
	They can't mod that.
	He can smell, he can see the sweet air.
	Use the loo right next to the Ganges and it'll feel really authentic.
	Imagine that as a mod.
	There we are.
	A billion Indians have installed it from America.
	There's also some arguments about how maybe this is a good thing.
	Maybe talking to women will be better than ever because you won't have to look at them.
	So there's that side of the people using it.
	They'd rather look at their spreadsheets or Andrew Twait quotes.
	So there we are.
	That's a thing.
	And then there's just a guy who's made a big list of stuff that I don't have time for, but it's, you know, viewing homes.
	So if you want to move house, you want to view what the other home looks like, you can do it.
	So that's an option.
	AI companions, less interested in that.
	Are you sure?
	go back to the AI companion millennial women mod talking to women why would I bother why would anyone bother talking to another human being when I've got constant non-stop interactive feedback from someone who actually is programmed to be the thing It's Blade Runner 2049.
	I haven't seen it.
	So that I'm less worried about because I really don't think there's a replacement.
	I don't think it actually will ever be good enough to do that.
	It will for the dysgenics that can't talk to women.
	And then you get the sort of replica AI where it's like nude women.
	It'll completely replace social interaction.
	I do wonder if you're a dysgenic who can't talk to women anyway, what's the difference?
	Don't be a dysgenic.
	I'm not saying you should.
	I'm saying if they're not going to talk to women anyway, I don't know what their life change is.
	I'm never going to reproduce.
	There's guys that are going to get married and have kids and have an easier time with it.
	And there's people in the middle who have Not a really low genetic ceiling, and if they put a bit of work in and got some confidence and got in better shape and earned some money, they'd have a nice and happy life, right?
	The edge cases, yeah.
	Yeah, those edge cases are gonna follow incentives and fall into the dysgenic, high robo-wife category.
	But also, the edge cases will draw the center more narrow.
	Yeah.
	You could also just learn to play the piano, which I think is quite cool.
	Believe it or not, there are ways of learning to play the piano that don't require this.
	No, but it helps, because as you can see, like...
	The point is just, what are the advantages?
	I'm not saying that this doesn't help, but the thing is, part of, and I know this because I'm literally teaching my son to play piano, I don't play piano.
	Um, part, part of the skill that you learn is overcoming the difficulties, right?
	And so if you've got this instruction in front of you, well, are you actually learning it or are you just kind of programming yourself?
	You haven't got the ability to actually manipulate the skill.
	Is this not similar to, wasn't it Plato whining that people read books instead of learning them orally anymore?
	It's true.
	I don't think he's wrong.
	It's obviously a correct statement.
	Learning everything orally means you've got a better knowledge of the thing.
	But that's really bloody hard.
	Yeah.
	Difficulty is where the genius comes out.
	Yeah.
	But why don't you learn everything orally then?
	Because it's not really actually... Well, a lot of things I do, I listen to lectures and read, I listen to audiobooks.
	You read, I've seen you reading books.
	Yeah, I know, because some things I can't, some things I can't get on audiobooks.
	I've seen you watching videos, in fact, you... Yeah, but videos are fine, because that's a rule.
	Well, there's another example here.
	This, I think, we're already actually in.
	So this is translations.
	It's a real world translations.
	You should learn the language.
	No.
	English.
	Yeah.
	Coming here, of course.
	But if you're going abroad, it already is the case.
	The best thing you can actually do is pull out Google Translate.
	And I've had this myself.
	The feature to speak into it offline and have it perfectly translate for the person you're talking to.
	It is good enough for all European languages, at least at this point.
	The Asians may be more hard, but there we are.
	It's pretty decent for Japanese.
	Yeah, well, there we go.
	Keeps going.
	I mean, some drawing and whatever, and, you know, he gives a crap.
	The cooking one I find a bit cringe.
	It's just like... I don't know.
	What's the problem?
	I just have a passion about bad cooking.
	That's all.
	What do you mean a passion about bad cooking?
	Oh, doing it where you pinch of this, a pinch of that, and then it turns out crap because I'm bad at cooking.
	That's how I do it, and it always turns out great.
	Oh, well, I'll learn one.
	Oh, this I hate with a dying passion.
	This I thought was just stupid.
	Gamification.
	No, I don't care.
	Tidying up of your apartment.
	Basically, you have zero conscientiousness and no ability to defer gratification, and so you need to turn life into a bloody video game with a heads-up display just to vacuum your own apartment.
	Well, also, I mean, this particular mod, I think this is actually fake.
	I don't think this is actually real, because you'll see in a minute.
	I don't think this actually works, obviously, because he's missing parts, for starters.
	And then I think there's another version down here, or maybe it's not.
	But there was another version where someone mapped it with green, and you hoover up the green, and it just shows you which parts you missed.
	You can do that in your head.
	You don't need a computer for that, come on.
	Like, unless you've actually got loads of the head.
	But you're not the person that watches the Subway Surfers YouTube Shorts.
	They need that just to get out of bed in the morning.
	I have a guilty conscience, I must confess something.
	I have.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you sat there.
	It doesn't surprise me.
	I've had to block YouTube shorts because I realized, like, it hooks you.
	And then you realize, like, what am I doing with my life?
	So, yeah, I go in and block shorts now every day so I don't have to see them.
	Because once they get you, man, they get you.
	I bet.
	I don't think so.
	It's awful.
	But this says, some other ideas, you know, Formula 1, you want to see it in real time or whatever.
	Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong, that, that, if you go back up to Formula 1, that's quite good, having a nice little, like, map, top-down map, so you can see where they are on the track and stuff.
	I could see the appeal of that, if you watch Formula 1.
	Messing with stuff.
	Some other guy messing with stuff.
	It goes on.
	There are advantages, is all I'm getting at.
	Not everyone's happy, of course.
	I mean, this Christian man tried it, and he said, I think this is actually a massive next step to the Antichrist.
	Yes.
	I knew you'd like that.
	He's right.
	And the second coming of Jesus Christ, and he's come.
	So, yeah.
	He's losing a game of virtual chess.
	Of all the things to be absurd about, chess on the moon is not really the worst end of this technology.
	When people say technology is demonic, they mean that technology is rendering human relationships and human labor obsolete.
	And that is a perfect example of it.
	You literally don't need a relationship with anyone in the real world ever again.
	But then we end up being with Peter Hitchens, which is, you know, get rid of the central heating.
	It's destroying the family.
	I'm listening.
	Yeah, I'm open to it.
	Hey, look, players write about the reading books.
	It's bad for you.
	But it's just ridiculous.
	What's proof of your argument, Plato?
	Well, this.
	It's just obviously ridiculous and no life is ever going to continue like that.
	So there we are.
	Although the best put down of all of this, I must say, actually did come from an odd source.
	It is Andrew Tate, who came out and said, three and a half gand for looking like an effing dork.
	Why?
	Most of you are doing it for free.
	Now sign up to Hustlers University!
	So there we are.
	Yeah, don't know where that was going.
	Hopefully that's something.
	If not, I think it is just the case that this will become reality as that price point goes down.
	It certainly seems there's enough advantages that the mass population will end up doing that instead of their phones.
	And as mentioned, I mean, it does seem to just be an extension of your phone.
	So, I don't know, live in fear or get excited if that's your future.
	Let's move on, I suppose.
	I hate the future so much.
	Don't buy the goon goggles.
	It's not even fear, it's disgust.
	Like, it's genuine disgust.
	Buy the time travel, just go back to Plato and be like, hmm, books?
	What about audiobooks, huh?
	Plato put on the goon goggles.
	I just can't take it and I just, I hate the future.
	Everything about it has been a profound disappointment.
	You gotta remember when we were kids, oh by the way we're gonna have flying cars and like things are gonna be great and it's like yeah turns out that actually everyone's gonna be like a weird lit-breasted consumer who's got no money and got no future and got nowhere to go.
	But it's actually going to be an actual bug, like with a masturbation machine and some Soma intake.
	Living on Plato's Goon Cave.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Living on Plato's Goon Cave.
	It's like, why would you want this?
	Like, one of the things that was promised about the future was authenticity.
	Right.
	Things would be authentically awesome.
	You will have a flying car.
	You will fly to Mars on your flying car and you will land on Mars and this will be amazing.
	Then you'll have sex with a green alien.
	You were lied to.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And it's like, no, no, no.
	What are you talking about?
	You won't have any of those things.
	What you'll have is the virtual experience of doing those things.
	And then you'll turn it off.
	See that you're in a five by five square box.
	And then put on the mountain thing where you take a dump.
	And when it gets too much, you just ask the government to kill you.
	Yeah, then you'll just be like, yeah, okay, yeah, just euthanize me now.
	You know the problem with flying cars, right?
	Because you know they're real.
	Oh, I'm sure there are loads of problems with flying cars.
	No, no, the technology is perfect.
	We've been able to do it for decades.
	Yeah, but I'm sure there are enough crashes when it's bloody two dimensions.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's the humans.
	Of course it's the humans.
	Always the humans.
	But the point is, at least it would be authentic.
	Flying car crash!
	And the children who are killed by the debris.
	Reality would actually exist, whereas in the future we're going into reality, it doesn't exist.
	And actually, when you look around at reality, you'll be like, wow, this is awful.
	I've got to get back in the goon cave.
	Literally, the reality will be so terrible, it will justify the goon cave.
	Well, let's get back out of the goon cave and into the wilderness.
	Sorry, I'm just really... I hate it so much.
	I've got to write an article called Plato's Goon Cave now.
	So, I don't like being right all the time, but it happens so often, I get used to it.
	A while ago, in fact, two years ago, well, a year and a half ago, we did this premium hangout on letsies.com, which you can go sign up, £5 a month, and watch.
	Well, I was like, look, there is enough evidence, there is sufficient evidence, to suggest that there are, in fact, wild big cats living in the UK.
	Callum was sceptical.
	I asked you to prove it, I don't think that's too harsh.
	Well...
	There are levels of proof, right?
	So there is an inductive proof and there is a dream.
	Look, that's one level of proof that's a standard of proof I was not applying for this hangout.
	There were small pieces of evidence that, when taken in sum, inductively suggested that there were live big cats, wild in Britain, wandering around pretty much all over the place, actually, from various sightings, from various animal attacks.
	Poor prints and things like this, right?
	But no, Callum, that wasn't good enough for you.
	That wasn't good enough.
	I seem to recall quite agreeing with you by the end.
	Well, maybe, but I'm going to assume that you didn't because it was two years ago.
	Oh, it's funnier that way.
	All right, yep.
	But now we have the actual solid proof that they are, and so we're going to present it.
	Were you just angry that you thought I didn't agree with you and that's what this is?
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Cool.
	Let's go.
	So, uh, this from last year is, uh, Tristan Cork, senior reporter for Gloucestershire Live.
	And he, this has been, and it's not just Calum obviously, there's a, for some reason in Britain, There's a series of deniers out there.
	No, no.
	Most people, deniers of this.
	And I don't know why.
	Like, this is really well covered on small news outlets in the Southwest, like Bristol, Gloucestershire, like, you know, Somerset, all that sort of thing.
	There's always an article like, oh, big cats spotted, or, you know, sheep ravaged.
	And everyone's like, no, there are no big cats.
	And there's always in the comments, like, why would you deny that?
	But what's the point of denying it?
	It's just this normalcy bias where it's like, no, no, no, that's not real.
	And so it comes to like this guy being like, no, no, no, they do live here.
	And I don't care if you don't believe it because he says, well, look, I know they exist.
	I've seen one.
	I've spoken to lots of other people who have seen them.
	I've spoken to lots of farmers who have had their animals killed by them and come face to face with them.
	So these are definitely real and still you get this large contingent of people saying, no, that's not real.
	It's like, no, it is real.
	You just haven't seen one yet.
	Right.
	Um, he gives an example of a chicken farm who went to his chicken coops in the morning and found that a panther had broken into them and was trapped under the chicken coops because it like clawed its way through the wooden barricade outside, but couldn't get actually into the coops to kill the chickens.
	And so he goes in and he's just looking at this panther and the panther's looking at him and saying, oh God, this must be awkward.
	Uh, he got out of the way so he could get out as quickly as possible, um, but he's But the guy was obviously terrified because, just to be clear, these things are massive and very dangerous.
	You know when you're watching a wildlife documentary, you see the leopard kill a gazelle and then drag it up into a tree?
	That's what he's seeing.
	Like, an animal that powerful, just wandering around.
	What?
	No, I don't want to interrupt.
	I'm listening.
	So that's what they're seeing.
	There was another one, a church warden just walking his dog on a Sunday morning and his dog starts going at a bush and he's like, okay, let's not leave.
	And a Panther comes out and just starts trotting off.
	The dog obviously runs off.
	It's like, Jesus Christ.
	You know, this is a bit serious, isn't it?
	Uh, there's another one, a farmer in North Wiltshire.
	Again, don't think there's a million miles away from us or anything.
	One of his cows had given birth overnight, but the cow was nowhere to be found.
	They followed a trail of blood across the field and found the calf in a branch halfway up a tree.
	To be fair, if it's not that far from Swindon, it's more likely that it's an Eritrean in an animal costume, raiding farms for halal butchers.
	I would like that to be the case, but the thing is, this is a photo!
	That's not a kitty.
	That's a big kitty.
	Look at the jaws on that thing!
	That is a panther.
	Wasn't the source for this that basically people had them back in the day when you could buy exotic animals?
	Yes.
	And then they're like, get rid of this.
	Yes.
	In the 19th century, the Victorians went out and explored the world.
	And a lot of them brought home big cats as fun things to have, literally.
	Look at the strange foreign exotic thing that I have.
	And then in the sixties, we, for some reason, and I don't know why we keep doing this, elected a Labour government.
	And the Labour government like, wow, no, we can't have big cats.
	Uh, they're banned.
	And so everyone's like, okay, so what do we do with the dozens of big cats that are around?
	And the Labour government was like, not our problem.
	Job solved.
	The thing has been banned and therefore that's the problem solved forever as far as we're concerned.
	And so people just like, okay, I guess we'll release it into the wild then.
	And now we have a breeding population of Panthers roaming around the English countryside.
	Anyway.
	Let's move on to the, again, you might be like, well, I mean, a picture.
	Um, no, I think that's pretty good to be honest.
	But, um, this was near Cheltenham.
	This was taken.
	January 24, this year.
	I think the picture was actually taken in December last year, but it's a very recent picture in Cheltenham.
	That's not far from here.
	That's like 20 miles.
	Is this why you're particularly touched?
	Yeah, this is why I'm particularly bothered.
	It's all near your house.
	Yeah, actually, if this was happening up in Scotland, I'd be like, wow, okay, that's bad.
	It's not really my problem.
	It's not that they deserve it.
	It's just not really my problem.
	If it was in London, it might actually improve things.
	Yeah, if it was in London, I'd probably be in favour of it.
	But the thing is, no.
	And so, they found some DNA.
	Obviously, they found some DNA.
	So this was from Gloucestershire, where DNA from black hair caught in a barbed wire fence following a sheep attack was tested.
	And so a forensic laboratory took on the species identification task and used mitochondrial DNA analysis to ascertain a 99% plus match to a black leopard, basically.
	So I don't know how the taxonomy of big cats works, but basically panthers and things like that are actually leopards that just have melanated coats.
	I know the word melanated has been No, no, I'm laughing because I'm looking at the image and he looks like a medieval drawing of a leopard where it's fat.
	It's just kind of funny.
	But in the winter they get thick coat hair.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But anyway, so yeah, this is apparently totally confirmed at this point.
	Scientifically confirmed.
	And if it wasn't for all of the dead carcasses, we would just have to infer it.
	Does it mean what animals are doing that exactly?
	And this is something that happens all the time, but one farmer came down and like came into his field, found a sheep with his head chewed off.
	It's like, right.
	What did that?
	A hungry, hungry Eritreans.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So this appears to be exactly the case.
	And the thing is, so this, this lends credence to the fact that in fact, um, people seeing things and reporting things doesn't make them mad, actually.
	Usually it means that there's something that's happening.
	Are you going to install a big cat mod to your goon goggles and just see them everywhere?
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Callum knows where this is going.
	I know where this is bloody going.
	If people repeatedly see something, if people repeatedly catch blurry photos of things, eventually it'll turn out that it's probably there's something there.
	Because these sightings have been happening for decades and apparently they're increasing.
	So, I mean, there is certainly a breeding population because one, as we talked about in the premium podcast, a cub was found, a dead cub was found.
	So it's certainly a breeding population.
	These things are seen all the time.
	And so, of course, Callum, it's only a matter of time.
	Only a matter of time.
	I'll do your trade.
	I'll believe in Bigfoot if you get Dan to believe in the moon landings.
	That's fairly easy.
	I think I could prove the moon landings.
	To Dan?
	Yeah.
	Good luck.
	I mean, I don't know how I feel about the moon landings.
	I mean, the whole like, oh, we've forgotten the technology to go back there, guys.
	It's like, Have you seen the stuff?
	I have seen the difference in stuff.
	And oh, we destroyed a bunch of the things for some reason.
	Why would you do that?
	You know, there's, okay, so when you move, um, what was it, Saturn V?
	The massive ones they did for the moon.
	There's a crawler and you put the rocket on the crawler and that's allow you to move it around vertically.
	That crawler, they've lost the technology 40K style.
	They legitimately cannot build another one because the guys who made it are dead.
	Okay.
	You're really not selling me on the moon landings are real.
	No, but who do you think's in the engineering department now who can't make that?
	Sure, but they're not the only engineering department.
	I mean, Elon Musk could probably set up an engineering department.
	He could build a new moon crawler, but it's a very complicated thing and would take him a while, but he'd get it done.
	I'm sure he could.
	I'm just saying NASA can't.
	Yeah, I'm skeptical.
	But anyway, the point is, I'm betting that in 2024, Bigfoot body.
	Can we hold you to that?
	Yeah, put it on bingo card.
	£100 bet.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Is he gonna crawl out of a tunnel in New York City?
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Because, I mean, like, 2024 has been pretty crazy so far.
	God, if I lose this.
	Come on!
	Come on!
	Right, what I want is positive energy.
	If you dress up in a Bigfoot costume, that doesn't count.
	I'm not going to be dressing up.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	We're going to be subscribers doing it now.
	Solid proof that Bigfoot exists in 2024.
	That's my prediction.
	Because it's a more safe bet than any political prediction at this point.
	But the point is, going back to...
	The point is, this is a genuine concern.
	This is a real issue because people have been attacked by these.
	There was one woman in Scotland who was attacked by what she described as a very large cat in front of her house.
	She managed to get away.
	And there was one chap in Gloucester who was riding on his bike with his 10-year-old son through the woods, and he saw a huge black blurt chase after his son that only diverted when he came around the corner and saw him and therefore got scared off.
	Wow.
	But that could have been a dead kid, right?
	So like, I think actually, if you're living in England, you actually have to be aware that the woods, the countryside is not as safe as you may have thought.
	And people just have to stop saying this isn't real because no, it is absolutely real.
	We've got the evidence.
	What more would you need?
	I don't really know how much to say on this one.
	I'm right and everyone's wrong, and it's nice to be able to say it.
	I think we need the gun rules back, I'll be honest.
	Yeah, I'm totally in favour.
	The whole reason we got rid of the guns, let's be honest, is because there's no threats.
	I mean, the UK was just such a place in the, what is it, the 80s or something, they got rid of all the guns finally?
	There was one school shooting in Scotland, wasn't there?
	That was the motivation.
	The reason you can do that is because you know there's no threats in the wilderness, therefore there's no like solid gun lobby to actually stop it.
	Yeah.
	But if all of a sudden everyone is like, hmm, yeah, but if I go outside the hungry, hungry air trains might come, then I kind of, kind of need my battle rifle back.
	And this, like, I mean, one thing that the government could do, which would be good, is literally suffer a ransom.
	Offer a reward for every big cat shot, because farmers still have shotguns.
	So for every, you can shoot foxes and stuff.
	So for every cat shot.
	They're alive, five grand.
	Well, probably not five grand.
	I mean, how many are there?
	Yeah.
	Well, they, they think the amount would be up to 250 of these breeding.
	So, um, and of course, well, people like, what are they eating?
	Well, deer and livestock.
	But yeah, I mean, one thing the government could do is put a bounty on them, frankly, which would be awesome.
	Don't like it.
	I want my country to be safe when I'm walking out with my kids.
	Don't I have to take a gun with me, actually?
	Anyway.
	Alright, well let's move to the video comments.
	Two female friends of mine teach English as a foreign language to fresh immigrants to Canada.
	You know the mix.
	Justin Trudeau loves diversity.
	While both are older, one has a fuller figure and enjoys wearing low-cut tops.
	It's not nearly as attractive as this picture.
	At the end of terms, she's thanked by her class.
	She told me that several times she's had one of them say, Thank you so much for teaching us.
	It was a pleasure.
	It's such a shame you're going to burn in hell.
	Yeah.
	Teaching people English doesn't suddenly make them Canadian or British.
	It doesn't work.
	Have you heard of magic soil?
	Yeah, I was going to say, I do have a thesis on that, Callum.
	I've got a worse story about this.
	I may have told it before, but a friend of mine, he's worked in Afghanistan over various years.
	And one of the programs the UN decided to do was to rehabilitate Taliban members who had done their time.
	So we'll teach them skills and make them good Westerners.
	And the idea was, this company got paid by the UN, and then they employed some people who were up for it, so uni students, overwhelmingly female, doing international relations.
	And they turned up, and they would teach them woodworking or other such pointless tasks, and the company would make millions.
	And the girls that came over one day, they decided they would have a Christmas party at an Islamic country, but they would explain to the Taliban pluralism and all the rest of it.
	So they brought some fizzy pop and some snacks and a Christmas tree and some music to dance to.
	And because they were dancing to the music, the Taliban guys took some of the girls out and raped them.
	Yeah, it went bad.
	Jesus, that accelerated.
	This went to court under the puppet government the Americans had set up, and even in the American puppet state, it went to court, and the court ruled that because they were dancing, it was their own fault.
	And in which case the men were all let off and the UN company that contracted all this, no repercussions, no change in policy, just carried on as it was.
	And it's like, yeah, no, just teach some people some woodworking and a little bit of English.
	Good lord.
	No more dancing.
	Yeah, there was a lot more to culture than just, oh, you know, this immigrant speaks English now perfectly.
	He knows where the comma goes.
	We've taught them to speak English.
	Why?
	So they can cause whores.
	Yeah, it's an awful story, but it's a more extreme version of I think what you're getting at there, Alex, which is these people are very, very, very different, and the level of integration required for those places is infinite.
	Well, that was sad.
	Do we have another video comment?
	No, website comments now.
	Let's get the written ones.
	Do you want to do them for each segment?
	No, you can do yours.
	Okay, Chance Bell.
	Popcorn isn't sending their best.
	Yeah, some, I assume... No, no.
	That's the problem.
	They are sending their best.
	That is genuinely the problem.
	Like, who would you look at the Conservative Party and say, no, I'd rather them be the best?
	Miriam Cates.
	One person.
	Yeah.
	Genuinely.
	Literally one person.
	Yeah, one person.
	All I'm thinking is, if you went back 50 years, you'd probably find a bunch of MPs who would be articulate and intelligent.
	The general character of their education, yes.
	That is 50 years ago now.
	1974.
	Yeah, I mean, look at the politicians then.
	Look at Thatcher.
	Yeah, I'm less convinced.
	You don't have to like them, but they could at least articulate their position quite sensibly and present a positive vision confidently that people would be able to at least buy into, whether you agree with the consequences or not.
	Even Labour were much better at this.
	They spoke as if they had the mandate of history.
	Yeah, but they spoke as if they understood what was going on as well.
	Watch any interview With a politician from the seventies.
	I mean, there used to be like hour long, long form interviews that were just broadcast on TV where someone would sit down with a politician and have an intellectual discussion on the subjects of the day.
	I don't think Liz Truss could do that.
	Richard Nixon used to do loads of those.
	Yeah.
	Very eloquent.
	Thatcher has done a bunch, you know, and she's actually not bad to be honest.
	You know, again, whether you agree with the philosophy or not, at least you can articulate it.
	Yeah.
	I don't, I mean, you know, what, Priti Patel?
	No.
	Sweller-Braveman, Liz Truss.
	Sweller's done ones before, she's alright, actually.
	But who do you compare them to?
	Because I'm thinking the various oligarchies around the world.
	I mean, Bashar al-Assad, or Orban, or Vladimir Putin.
	It's on another level, where they'll sit and give a two hour lecture, and it's not just shite.
	It's actually interesting.
	I mean, the only person I would expect in the Conservative Party who could carry an intellectual conversation like that is Mog at this point.
	And that's only because he's obviously had the most phenomenal education possible because of who he is.
	Kate's can is just that she's been hamstrung, but that's like literally two people.
	That's, yeah.
	Speaking of as well, Tucker's interview dropped tonight.
	Yeah, I know.
	Just a quick side.
	I mean, the reaction has been bonkers and obviously shows that we are all with Russia.
	The fact that, you know, if we're not at war with Russia, why is this a problem?
	Right.
	So, but I mean, what do you think is going to be the consequence?
	Do you think he's going to get in trouble?
	No.
	This is very much social media doing its thing in my view.
	People getting angry about an interview they haven't seen and can't because it's not out yet.
	I mean, this is why I wanted to do something about it, because I'll watch it and I'll have some thoughts.
	Yeah, we'll cover it on Monday.
	And I was thinking, should we do the insane reaction to Tucker's interview?
	But then I thought, it's not even out.
	Who are all these people?
	What are you doing with your lives?
	And it was like, I hate him.
	Didn't the EU say they weren't going to let Tucker travel to Europe?
	Yes, this has been something Guy Verhofstadt.
	Again, if it was just like pundits or talking heads or whatever, social media goons who are saying this, fair enough, but it's genuinely people... Guy Verhofstadt.
	Yeah, Guy Verhofstadt.
	He is a bit of an EU meme.
	Yeah, but he's also like really important and influential in the EU.
	Well, he is.
	He's on the, like, lunatic, federalized now side.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Which is where they're going, I get you.
	Sure, but he's not a nobody, and he actually pulls power, levers of power, to make things happen.
	It's entirely possible that Tucker gets the sort of Lauren Southern treatment.
	He's banned from ever going to... Well, Piers Morgan was banned from Ukraine after interviewing Zelensky, so Tucker's going to have the same treatment.
	There was the suggestion... I have no idea whether or not this was true.
	Someone said he's been placed on a quote-unquote hit list.
	Yeah, which is possible.
	That's the Ukrainian one.
	It's not actually a hit list.
	People get confused, so it's not a surprise.
	It's a list of people who are against Ukraine.
	Some of them have been assassinated by the Ukrainian state, so that's...
	That's pretty substantial considering we're currently paying the Ukrainian state.
	Yeah.
	So one of the most powerful people in the EU is like, maybe Tucker should be banned from the EU.
	It's possible that he gets assassinated by an insane Ukrainian nationalist.
	The people they've assassinated, the Ukrainian state have assassinated, it's people in Russia.
	So for example, Alexander Dugin was targeted and ended up killing his daughter instead.
	It's that level of... Tucker's probably still in Russia.
	Yeah, he is.
	The point being that that's a country you're at war with, so killing one of their citizens blatantly is not a problem.
	Yeah, but they're basically putting him on the same level as Alexander Dugin, in the Ukrainian way.
	So it's not inconsequential.
	I'm not saying that Tucker Carlson will be killed.
	I'm saying that they are seeing him as an enemy of the state.
	Yeah, I just think it's not that serious.
	I think it's pretty serious.
	You think, for example, if he flies to Hungary, they might kick him out.
	No, maybe not.
	But if he flies to France, they might arrest him.
	Yeah, maybe.
	That's pretty substantial.
	That's pretty serious, man!
	I know, I'm making the point of, if he turns up, they arrest him for what exactly?
	Oh, who knows?
	Aiming a better enemy.
	Like, they'll kick him out.
	They're deported from France.
	Yeah, but they might...
	Look, I think if there's one thing we can justifiably say at this point is they will trump up charges against people who feel who are a genuine threat against the narrative and orthodoxy.
	I mean, I don't think it's beyond the pale that...
	That would happen, you're right.
	I don't think it's beyond the pale that Joe Biden tries to do something.
	Yeah, well, loads of these American commentators are usually part of the American intelligence agency.
	They at least get their talking points fed to them, so if you don't think the American government's watching this like a hawk and saying Tucker Carlson's colluding with an enemy or has leaked American secrets or some bollocks like this, then... I know that for sure, because he said it in his announcement.
	They organised an interview before and Joe Biden fucked it.
	Yeah, they were monitoring their text messages, yeah.
	Good point.
	So, I think it's entirely possible that Joe Biden would take some sort of executive action against Tucker Carlson for listening to what Putin says.
	Legally, there's nothing you can do, but if they want to go... Hypothetically, yeah.
	That's totally, yeah, it's a card on... Extra-legally would probably be the best term.
	Yeah, I mean, you know... Nah, but Joe Biden is breaking the law.
	Yeah, but there'll be someone in Biden's administration who's like, we will make it legal.
	Do you remember General Michael Flynn?
	They got him on the Logan Act, which was only violated once in the 1800s for saying that you'd been colluding with Vladimir Putin.
	They've got the pretext to do it.
	Yeah, and they've got precedent.
	So, I mean, it's brave of Tucker Carlson to do this.
	But I mean, the fact that they've reacted with such venom shows that there's a very soft spot here.
	I mean, they are genuinely worried that the American people will hear Putin saying things that are actually kind of reasonable.
	Not just that, I was saying to Josh.
	I think they're really worried about it.
	You reckon Putin's going to turn around and go, OK, here's evidence that the US blocked Nord Stream?
	Just flat out.
	Maybe.
	It's entirely possible.
	The Washington Post already ran an example, an article saying, here's the Ukrainian general who was in contact with the Americans when it blew up.
	So this looks suspicious.
	Joe Biden saying we'll make it happen.
	Yeah.
	Undoubtedly.
	That's damning to the American State Department.
	If you're Putin's team, that's the best thing you could do.
	Sadly, knowing some people in Moscow and whatnot, they won't make the most of this, I think, and they'll probably end up Not doing anything as near as cool.
	I mean one of the things I'm really scared they'll probably do this which is they'll throw some bloody active measures in the middle of it.
	Some disinformation that then obviously can get disproven because one of the ways... That would be really silly.
	Yeah, one of the ways they do things occasionally is...
	I don't understand.
	They shoot themselves in the foot for no reason, because even from their perspective it's mad, is they'll fund their own opposition and the idea is that then you've got, not to be controlled but to be legitimate, is so that then there's chaos because you don't know are they really controlled or not.
	Didn't they just ban the guy that was the anti-war candidate ahead of the next election?
	You're thinking of Zelensky or the... No, Putin.
	The woman?
	No, no, no, no.
	It's a bloke this morning.
	They banned ahead of the next Russian election.
	They banned the opposition party.
	I saw a story coming out.
	You'd have to be more specific because there's a lot going on.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There was one guy that definitely banned as of this morning.
	But what I was saying is that they'll do stupid stuff like that.
	They may even treat Tucker that way and put in false things that could be easily debunked to try and make him smeared and it just hurts everyone.
	Yeah.
	So that's the thing I really think they might end up even doing and it would be silly.
	See, I mean, I'm obviously going to watch it tonight and I think that what they'll do is have Putin say Nord Stream and certain other things that are not Well known in the American consciousness, like the Ukrainian shelling of Donbass and things like this.
	You know, he'll say, I think he'll give his pretext and these things will be true.
	And then there'll be a bunch of cultural stuff.
	Yeah.
	I think it's going to be in there as well.
	And I think they're worried about this because essentially, um, I know I don't, I don't think this is wise either.
	I think a lot of the American right will side with Putin.
	Um, because he'll make kind of past and appeal to them.
	A lot of them already are.
	I mean, like a friend of mine in, um, uh, in Donbass, he's sending me pictures and they keep making, so they've got these shells from North Korea.
	They've got shipped over.
	And because the Ukrainians were doing this thing where you could write on a shell, Russia started doing it as well.
	And they've got loads of them that are just like MAGA 2024.
	We love Trump on them.
	And, but sincerely, if you meet them and talk to them about Donald Trump, they're just like, yeah, he's fantastic.
	And they hate the Democrats.
	Like, of course they've got the difficulty with America, but it's not like North Korea, where they're always the enemy.
	So, yeah.
	We are talking about an interview that hasn't come out.
	I know!
	It's just interesting.
	Interesting predictions on what's going to happen, because it is major.
	We'll have to cover it next week.
	It's coming up tonight, you were saying?
	Yeah.
	So tomorrow.
	8pm.
	Is it 8pm Eastern?
	It'll be better than midnight.
	So tomorrow.
	I'm excited, for sure.
	This is probably the most exciting thing that's happened in international politics for a while.
	Oh yeah.
	It's not just... Since Kim Jong-un was holding hands with the South Korean president walking over, I imagine, to you.
	Well, Donald Trump was more interesting.
	Anyway, let's move back.
	Sorry, yeah.
	First name Mike, last name Hunt.
	This trust certainly isn't the sharpest knife in Julius Caesar, it's very well put, but she certainly has sway as a former Prime Minister, leader of the Tory party and holder of many cabinet positions.
	She won't be the leader of any mass resistance movement, but she does have potential as a forebearer for one.
	If Liz is nice but dim, if you were trying to have someone in a position of influence who is also the most persuadable, you'd probably pick her.
	Sure.
	So, and then one last one.
	Lord Nerevar, the election will be a mutual kill as far as British culture, political wars are concerned.
	It means at least five years of Labour rainbow tyranny across these islands, but the calamitous annihilation of the Conservative Party will inevitably cause a new right-wing movement in Parliament, whether from within the Tory Party or from without.
	Ride the lightning until 2029 and we just might be able to salvage something of England yet.
	Chase the dream, Lotus Eaters.
	Well, let's hope so, but man, Starmer's just going to incompetently destroy this country.
	Pointing Annalise Dodds in charge of anything to do with children is actually evil, so that's not going to be fun.
	Chant says, I can finally watch Subway Surfers and Family Guy funny moments and I'll never be bored at a funeral again.
	That's so true and it's so depressing.
	This is the future you chose, Callum.
	I'm saying it's the one we're currently in.
	Yeah.
	Are you going to buy the bug goggles?
	Um, well that was my point is that once it becomes 500 bucks, it's just going to become widely adopted.
	It will just be part of reality in the same way these things are.
	I mean, these are weird.
	These are really weird when you think about them.
	Especially when you go... I mentioned to you I watched American Pie the other day.
	It wasn't just that it's an older movie.
	Part of the aspect that confused the hell out of me, as in it was hard to identify with the characters anymore, was the lack of technology.
	The advance of the West on this front is incredible and leaves us so detached to normal life.
	I'm telling you, the 90s were a golden age.
	But even they would have had it.
	Didn't even realize it.
	The difference, I don't know what, maybe it's 100 years for them, where they'd have such a disconnect.
	But everyone has this, as technology's gotten better.
	But the rapid increase is something to behold.
	And we ain't stopping it.
	Us three are doing nothing on the impacts, no matter, regardless of what we do.
	I don't think anyone can stop it at this point.
	No.
	Rue the Day says, I hereby endorse the bullying of goggle people.
	They are not cool, they are silly and need to know and feel shame.
	But that's the point, they don't feel shame.
	You remember in the Cyberpunk Dystopia when we had the video that was a mock-up of what it could look like and someone comes up and stabs them?
	That's just going to be the way things are.
	The thing is, what the goggles will signify is someone who's bought into the paradigm.
	They will signify someone who follows the rules, does what they're told, and is essentially defenseless.
	Don, what do you think of that?
	Well, every refugee has a smartphone.
	Yeah, but...
	Once they become cheap enough, they'll just be part of the wood bug.
	Maybe, maybe.
	But there will be a period of time where you've got the criminal underclass who don't have these things, will have them stolen.
	And then you've got the average kuma who's wearing a suit, going on his way to Google offices, and is like, and he'll get stabbed on the way.
	He'll be...
	It will mark them out as just, okay, this is an easy mark that is not protected by the system and will not do anything to defend himself.
	What was it like when people first got mobile phones?
	They didn't do that much.
	But was it, because I imagine it must have been weird to see a guy.
	No, no, no, no.
	It wasn't that weird actually, because they, I mean, they literally didn't do that much.
	So you couldn't spend that much time on them because there wasn't that much to do.
	So you'd, you know, if you were like, okay, meet me at the pub, you'd get your phone out, take me to the pub, put your phone away and go, right.
	We're gonna get me in the pub.
	And I'm talking about the old, the first ones.
	Oh.
	The big, chunky pieces.
	Well, we didn't have those because we weren't Californian executives.
	Okay, that's what I'm thinking of because that's where we are right now with these guys.
	Sure.
	Because obviously they're easy marks.
	Go rob them, obviously, if you're a criminal.
	And like, you know, if you're... Don't do that!
	Not legal advice!
	I'm saying if you were, that's what you'd be thinking.
	Yeah, and you know, if you're Gordon Gekko or whatever, you can see the pictures of them looking stupid, right?
	And that was exactly the same experience there.
	But when, like, mobile phones first became ubiquitous, they couldn't do that much.
	So you'd ring your friend or you'd text them, and then meet them at the place.
	And you wouldn't spend any time on it.
	You'd be talking to people face to face.
	So, anyway.
	Robert says, continuous gamification of the real world is quite alarming, really.
	You'll actually miss living your life.
	Yeah, and the life you will have lived will be entirely virtual and simulated and not authentic.
	I hate it.
	I hate it.
	At least the flying car crashes would have been real.
	Um, screw tape lasers, uh, says why the Apple vision influence is a hundred percent male because everything that has ever been developed has always been 100% male until it's proven to be safe and functional.
	And then when we adopt it, just the way men are, um, HR slave says, I think the issue with the goggles is their size.
	And the fact that the art is still a novelty.
	Once the tech gets down to smaller, less obvious size kits, people can become accustomed to it.
	We'll see a huge uptick of people jumping on board.
	It's Calum position.
	And that is correct as well.
	At some point, it will literally be a small thing that fits next to your eye and broadcast something across your eye.
	And then everyone will have it.
	No one will even notice it.
	I mean, one of the things I hate about it is you can't see their eyes.
	The fact that you're an actual bug man, because so much of human communication is being able to see the other person's eyes, see their expression, see how they're relating to you and stuff like that.
	anything that breaks that.
	And this is why all facial coverings are just offensive in Anglo culture.
	That's horrific.
	It's even worse.
	Yeah, that shows.
	If anyone didn't hear that, John's saying, no, no, they've got cameras that will show your eyes on the outside of the goggles or something.
	And so that's just even worse.
	How do you feel about sunglasses?
	Well, sunglasses, the reason people look cool in sunglasses is because you can't see their eyes.
	No, but what you're saying about that disconnect, I definitely get it with people wearing sunglasses.
	Yeah, you don't talk to someone- Not like a human.
	Yeah, you don't talk to someone, you lift sunglasses up, unless you want to look cool and mysterious.
	One point I did make as well in the dating broconomics I did with Dan, even if dating apps didn't exist, the existence of a phone still atomizes people in public enough of where certain social interactions are killed, but how many people have never met each other as friends or as relationships because they were looking at their phone rather than catching eyes on the tube?
	For example, just those sorts of things break up human relationships.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And there's also, if you, you can find like footage of people sat on the bus in the sixties and people will talk to each other.
	They'll just talk about the weather, you know, talk about the news, whatever's going on, even though these people don't know each other and you can't even imagine that now.
	No, I find it horrifying to look at.
	Like, I know the footage you're speaking of, and I look at it, and it's just really weird.
	It's not weird.
	No, but then I have to hide myself, but then that's obviously normal, and we live in the hellscape.
	Exactly.
	We're the ones who live in the hellscape, and you've just been acclimatized to living in hell.
	You know, it was good.
	We used to have a decent country, I swear to God.
	And it was, like, even when I was young, it was, like, it was, you are right, it was kind of weird when just some old person would start talking to you.
	But looking back, man, it was way better than what we've got now.
	I'd rather old people talk to me when I'm 14 on the train about the weather than everyone sat on their bug-man goggles, lining up the next thing they're going to coom to.
	Horrible future.
	They only have to queue up.
	They've got six screens all at once.
	Yeah, I know.
	I just can't get how the world's going.
	Mike says, this technology is one step closer to the world of Ready Player One.
	We already have the pollution of controlling companies, population displacement, and lack of functioning infrastructure.
	I've never actually seen Ready Player One.
	I haven't read it.
	The latest film was kind of like a marketing fest because they put a bunch of contemporary video game references and movie references in it.
	It was fine.
	Harry's bastard child says four grand goggles plus weak tech bros equals my new career as a mugger is going to be very profitable.
	This is not legal advice.
	Career advice.
	Technically, considering this is being adopted in California, if you do go and do it in California, you won't be arrested for it, considering you don't do it above $1,000.
	Well, no, that's just shoplifting.
	What percentage of muggings do you think are solved in California?
	Very few.
	Exactly.
	It's going to be less than 5%.
	It's going to be a really small number.
	Less than that here.
	It's 95% of burglaries here are not investigated or not convicted.
	So, yeah.
	Fuzzy Toaster says, the sad thing is they could really rebrand that technology for something worthwhile.
	Imagine instead of doing cringe stuff that is this, imagine being able to diagnose your car issues by syncing up with the car and putting on the goggles, and a fully immersive 3D model can be deconstructed to ascertain the issue that was in front of you.
	All the practical teaching methods that can implement, but no watching porn and culturing and ADHD, cultivating, I think it means, ADHD personality.
	It will always be that.
	It will always be the lowest common denominator thing.
	Yeah.
	There is no turning tech only for the good.
	It will always be the goon goggle.
	George says, there needs to be a show with Dan and Kyle trying to convince each other about the fake moon landing in Bigfoot and Callum must be there to suffer.
	I don't know how I feel about the moon landing.
	I'm not very invested in it.
	There are questions.
	I'm gonna get dragged into this.
	Gonna look the other way.
	Go away eventually.
	Rob says, a big cat was regularly seen in the fields and woods around Taunton back in the 90s.
	Used to work at a cheese farm.
	My boss's mum saw it walk across the field near her house, found more cheap too.
	Again, this is toastly, toastly real and I'm sick of having the argument with people on Facebook.
	I'm not even bothered about whether it's real or not, right?
	You've slightly persuaded me that it is.
	I just like the fact that these urban legends still exist in Britain, because that's the sort of backbone of culture.
	It's like, my mum, who works at a local cheese farm, saw a giant mythical beast strolling the moors of Taunton.
	It's like, it's nice!
	Is that nice?
	It's quaint to hear about.
	It adds character to the country.
	That is true.
	That is true.
	Anne says, the denial of big cats by the media is just the same plain book they always use.
	When faced with an uncontroversial truth, the media response is one of the following.
	It's conspiracy theory.
	B, the person who took it must be discredited via fact checkers.
	Or C, don't believe your lying eyes.
	I mean, that photo that was there, I mean, that is just That looks obviously, obviously the thing.
	You couldn't mistake that for something else.
	It's actually a genuinely good photo.
	I'm going to look up, see if there's a bigger...
	Is John reverse image searching it?
	No, I'm going to ask John if he could reverse image searching because I'd love to find if there's a full version of that.
	There is, there is.
	If the guy who uploaded it made more than one image.
	No, no, there is.
	That's a zoomed in clip bit from a live.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'm just asking because I think it would build your case better because then you'd have more.
	But I will let John do that in his own time.
	Seems to be a perfectly good image.
	You don't want more?
	I'd love more.
	Good enough.
	I want him with his teeth out.
	The teeth are massive.
	Yeah.
	Carrie says, uh, we have a population of wallabies on the Isle of Man after around 50 of them escaped in the sixties.
	Gladiators and Panthers.
	Yeah.
	And rather a population of wallabies.
	Those look suspiciously edited in that one that was, that was up there on the left.
	Uh, they think it looked edited.
	Are you being debunked?
	Yep.
	Maybe Devon News are lying.
	Modified and flipped!
	Maybe they are.
	But the DNA evidence is not this photo that a lazy, dishonest local news broadcaster decided to use to get clicks.
	But when you send me those Bigfoot photos, I am going to research.
	Hey man, I'm waiting for the DNA.
	Okay.
	If you send me Bigfoot DNA... Well, I'm not going to have the DNA.
	But when, you know, whatever labs have been like, yeah, okay, this seems to be like, you know, a humanoid or an ape that we have no other record of or whatever.
	Yeah, I'll believe you.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Yeah, so, okay.
	God damn it, Gloucester Live.
	Fact check, live on air.
	But apparently the DNA evidence is correct.
	Sophie says, man, if this was Denmark, we had an issue recently of hogs crossing the border from Germany and everyone panicked.
	I mean, hogs suck as well, man.
	They can be dangerous.
	You don't know that.
	No, have you not seen the footage of the Italian girl?
	So in Italy, they limited the number of shots you're allowed in a shotgun to three.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, I have seen.
	So she goes out, she fires all three and it doesn't die.
	And then it keeps trying to kill her.
	And like her boyfriend or whatever has to come out and be like... And she would have been dead otherwise.
	Yeah, or they hunt them in Texas from helicopters.
	There was also a moose that swam over the channel from Sweden.
	Moose invading Denmark!
	Swedish moose.
	Went to Denmark and then all the way from France to Germany.
	Just standing on the shore, giving Denmark the evils.
	It was Deliveroo driver by the evening.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Roman Observer says the increasing amount of Panthers in England must have a correlation with having an Indian Prime Minister.
	No, no, it has a correlation with having a Labour government, actually.
	Robert says, my friend's mother was adamant that she saw a large black cat walking down her garden path.
	This was during the 2000s on top of Stroud Valley in Gloucestershire.
	We did mock her for the claim and we were probably wrong for doing so.
	You absolutely were wrong for doing so.
	Kevin says, does this mean the countryside is not racist and colonial?
	Because we've stocked it with African wildlife to keep the urban and richest feel at home?
	I don't know.
	I mean, the thing is, right, when the urban and richest are going into the countryside, When there are attacks that are happening, if there's a racial disparity in this, then suddenly our Black Panthers are going to be racist!
	And we will finally have a Cassus Belli to get rid of them!
	God, the way things are done in this country is awful.
	I know, but at least we'll be able to finally cure the Black Panther problem.
	Yeah, I love the idea of the Black Panther becomes a symbol of racism as well, which is a big 1A.
	Amazing.
	But we're out of time.
	If you'd like more, do come back because I believe today is the day.
	It is the day in which Calvin Robinson shall be hosting his show.
	So do come back and enjoy.
	That'll be live.
	What's the time?
	Half an hour.
	Half an hour.
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