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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #808

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	Hello and welcome to Podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 808 on the 18th of December 2023.
	I'm joined by boss man, Karl.
	Hello.
	And very special guest, Zuby.
	Hello, Zuby.
	How's it going, man?
	Yes.
	Who is a podcaster, author and rapper.
	Yes.
	Amongst many things, yeah.
	I got it.
	Excellent.
	So today we are going to be discussing, oh yes, how Biden's decency drive is going.
	Probably not well.
	How Musk's robot army is going to save the world, and Zubi versus Piers Morgan, which doesn't really sound like a fair fight to me.
	But we're getting to that, because opinions are divided.
	What, on Piers Morgan?
	I don't think they are.
	Well, I don't know.
	In this office, there are some of us who think that the English conception of liberty will win when Piers Morgan is won round to our side.
	And then there are those of us who just think he's a big fat oily turd.
	Well, he can be both.
	Yes.
	These are not mutually exclusive.
	Yes.
	Fair point.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Well, we get into that.
	So take it with decency.
	So do you remember when Joe Biden became the presidential nominee for the Democrats?
	And the entire frame of his, oh, we're going to undo the terrible tragedy of the Trump presidency.
	We're going to, and he says, quote, return decency to the ballot.
	Well, they kept on saying the adult's in charge or something.
	Yes, yes.
	This kind of theme has been put across very, very directly by Joe Biden and his party.
	And I think we should just do a quick checkup to see how that's going.
	Let's do it.
	Before we begin, if you want to support us, go and check out our merch.
	We've got some great merch.
	I particularly like this one.
	If I can get the mouse, there we are.
	This is my favorite.
	It says Marcus Aurelius.
	It's not right, don't do it.
	It's not true, don't say it.
	Simple as.
	There's literally nothing to contradict there, in my opinion.
	But anyway, goes for us.
	That's a hell of a throw as well, he's got.
	It's fantastic, isn't it?
	You know, this is a man who's got his morals sorted, so he doesn't need to worry about personal grooming.
	He's also the Emperor of Rome, so you know.
	But anyway, so as I said, this This is the direct quote.
	This is a life-changing election.
	This will determine what America is going to look like for a long, long time.
	Character is on the ballot.
	Compassion is on the ballot.
	Decency, science, democracy, they're all on the ballot.
	Who we are as a nation, what we stand for, and most importantly, what we want to be is all on that ballot.
	And the choice could not be more clear.
	So I thought we'd check in.
	So I mean, Joe Biden himself, It's a weird guy.
	He's such a kiddie fiddler, isn't he?
	I allegedly... Doesn't his son, doesn't Hunter call him Pedo Pete?
	Yes, he has him on his phone as Pedo Pete.
	So for those who are listening, we've got a selection of screenshots as to why he might possibly be called that.
	He just has a really weird habit of touching children in a really personal way.
	Yeah.
	Very gropey isn't it?
	Children that aren't his own.
	I'm not saying he's gropey.
	I'm saying this is weird.
	It's weird.
	Do you know, I'm going to, I'm going to do something I never do.
	I'm going to offer a tiny bit of charity to Joe Biden.
	Some of these things are freaking weird.
	Cause I've seen some of the videos of these incidences and some of them, some of them are like, Ooh, some of them are also just like, this is an 80 year old man who is from like a different era where I have seen older men in general, like 70 plus, sometimes be a bit more handsy with kids that are not their own in a way that none of us would be.
	Creepy kind of way, just like, times change, things change.
	Yeah.
	In the same way that they might look at me and, you know, call me, call me that colored lad over there.
	And they don't mean it in some horrible way.
	They're just not up to date with how... The people of that generation, they do have a slightly higher bar, I see what you're saying.
	But I'm pretty sure he's still past that bar.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I'm not, I'm not fully defending.
	Like some of the ones I've seen when he's like snip, you know, doing the hair snip.
	And so I'm like, okay, that's just strange.
	That's a him thing.
	I mean, like the one on the top left, he's standing behind this kid and he just grabs him around the face, pulls him back, whispers something in his ear and then lets him go.
	And this poor kid's just like, oh my God, what the hell just happened?
	Do you know something I've noticed as well, just in the life I've led and all the countries I've traveled to is there are just some people who have a really poor gauge of when other people are uncomfortable.
	They're just not very well socially calibrated, right?
	In their speech and the things they do, I'm like, can you not see that that guy or girl is a bit, they're sort of leaning back and they don't get it.
	Just like there's people who have no concept of personal space, right?
	Like they're just like that two inches a bit too close to you and you're a bit like, Do you not sense this?
	It's a cultural thing, actually.
	One of the interesting things in English-speaking countries, we tend to have a big expectation of persons.
	I'm sure you've seen as you go around the rest of the world, that's not universal at all.
	It's not.
	But Joe Biden was born and raised in an English-speaking country, so he doesn't have this excuse.
	Do you know something crazy I noticed that hit me a couple of weeks ago about Biden?
	Go on.
	Okay, you remember in 1994, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton was the president of the United States.
	Bill Clinton right now is younger than Joe Biden right now.
	So the president in the U.S.
	30 years ago is currently younger than the current president.
	Isn't that wild?
	That is terrible, isn't it?
	Gerontocracy.
	And he's blatantly demented as well.
	I mean, you can't finish a sentence.
	Everybody sees it, but half of America just pretends they can't.
	But anyway, moving on from Joe Biden, of course, you have the problem of Hunter Biden.
	A lot of what was in the revelations about Hunter Biden, we had to put behind the paywall on the website because it's not age appropriate and not appropriate for YouTube.
	This is a real photo, yeah?
	That is genuinely a real photo that Hunter Biden took of himself.
	So exactly to your point just a moment ago, when people don't realize when they're being a bit weird.
	I mean, at what point was Hunter Biden supposed to appreciate that that was going to look weird?
	I would say it was before he bought those underpants.
	This is what was appropriate to put on the thumbnail as well.
	It gets a lot worse.
	Go and sign up for the website and watch that if you'd like to know more about the life and times of Hunter Biden.
	But of course, you know, I think you can indeed judge a man by his children.
	The way his children act is a reflection of the way he's raised them.
	Which is interesting to an extent.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Um, I mean, he's just, what is going on?
	A total degenerate.
	So what's happening in this picture?
	For those who are listening, we've got, um, Joe, uh, Jill Biden's decency on the ballot tweet at the bottom covering up, um, a, um, a Hunter Biden with a prostitute.
	Yes.
	Oh.
	Uh, and he looks like he may have done a few drugs.
	We took that photo.
	He's taking it in the mirror.
	Oh, right.
	Oh, got it.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	So, uh, yeah.
	Decency on the ballot.
	Very clear that it's, uh, well, moving on.
	Do you remember Sam Brinson?
	Yes.
	The kleptomaniac.
	Yes.
	The champion of LGBTQ rights as a dual masters in nuclear engineering and TPP.
	So he could save the world from nuclear waste.
	Who would have looked at this guy and thought he was a bit strange?
	Joe Biden, obviously.
	Joe Biden decided to choose him for the top nuclear waste job because he's a normal person.
	He is now a drag queen, non-binary drag queen, who quote, enjoys pup play and worships Daddy Fauci.
	I don't know.
	I shouldn't ask what pup play is.
	No, you shouldn't.
	Moving on, turns out that yeah, he was a weird kleptomaniac, but not any ordinary kind of kleptomaniac.
	He specifically went and stole women's clothes repeatedly, and then he'd wear them in public, which I think is...
	Quite amusing.
	I don't, did I get the?
	I mean, I can, I can sort of understand that if it's the 1970s and stuff, but these days you can just buy women's clothes online.
	No, no.
	But part of, I think part of the fetish is wearing and wearing someone else's.
	Yeah.
	I think that's part of the weird mental.
	Right.
	I think they actually have a, there's, there's a picture of him.
	Okay.
	Not on this because he was, he was caught in airports just like yes.
	Taking people's luggage repeatedly.
	Like this is something he did that there's a picture of Sam Brinton wearing that exact dress.
	woman's luggage I just can't go over it I mean you're stealing something he knows he's going to be photoed in public he's like right I've stolen this bag I'm going to wear it in public she's obviously going to see the stolen clothes because she's a fashion designer that's not something you can just get off the rack when you steal something bespoke I guess yeah exactly you know so it's like okay there's only one of these and you've stolen it and now you're wearing it you're eventually going to get caught you moron but like you say it's kind of part of the fetish isn't it it must be
	look the thing was with someone like that people will say this is harsh or whatever but you can literally just look at him and be like okay this guy's weird there's some strange thing going on here but This is probably not someone you should appoint to high political office and put in power.
	Who do you think is higher on the progressive stack?
	The black woman who had her luggage stolen or the white dude who engages in puppy play while being a non-binary?
	Oh, that's easy.
	It's the white man.
	I think this is why there's this new thing of these white progressive guys identifying as either women or non-binary because You can automatically go from the bottom of the victim hierarchy and you can just jump straight to the top of it by changing your pronouns.
	It's literally measured by how small a minority you're entering into as well.
	There are quite a few black women, but there are very few trans people, you know, very few.
	And so, yeah, exactly.
	He's just rocketed himself up there.
	Yeah.
	So if it were a black trans woman, if I identified as a woman, as I've done, then I would supersede Oh yes you were!
	Are you a man again now?
	I'm a man, yeah yeah.
	I'm gender fluid.
	Put on some stolen clothes and you're going to be right at the top.
	It's so funny he's wearing that at an event as well.
	Imagine having the audacity to go to an airport, nick someone's suitcase, put it on and then go to an event where you're being filmed and photographed.
	Well, literally, you know, potentially millions of people will see you there.
	I mean, audacity is exactly the right, uh, right phrase.
	Not decency, though.
	That's the thing.
	Uh, yeah, he, uh, he'd done this multiple times over the years, got fired for it, and, uh, arrested and convicted.
	Can you just go back to that headline one second?
	This is the most, this just sums up where we are.
	Non-binary Biden nuclear official.
	San Francisco fired after multiple luggage theft charges.
	Like, if you saw that headline in 2005, you'd just be like, what?
	I genuinely, if people are like, what would you do if you had a time machine?
	I literally would send headlines from now back 20 years.
	You know, send this back to like Bill Clinton.
	Send it back to Joe Biden 20 years and claim any news cycle.
	Get his opinion on it.
	You know, this is your guy, Joe.
	But yeah, he was arrested.
	Released on bail, charged, blah, blah, blah.
	He was also fired.
	So, I mean, great.
	So, the next one is the transgender topless people who arrived at the White House.
	Do you remember these?
	Sadly, I miss this story.
	I can't show any pictures.
	Yeah, that was X-rated.
	Yeah, because they were having a very inclusive activist event at the White House and they brought along a bunch of transgender sex workers and they were like, hey, Check this out.
	In front of the White House.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Dignity.
	Decency.
	The hallmarks of the Biden.
	So we had to get rid of Trump for that.
	Sorry?
	So a bunch of dudes could bash their silicon on the White House lawn.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And the Republicans, thankfully, were able to muster some sort of objection to this, which is questionable in this day and age.
	But yeah, so this was a transgender activist, Rose Montoya, and other attendees who disrobed at the White House lawn.
	Thankfully, who's the diversity hire for Biden's administration?
	Oh, there's a lot.
	There's a bunch.
	No, but the one that the voice of Biden.
	The press secretary?
	Yeah, that's it.
	Oh, Jean-Pierre?
	Yeah, yeah.
	She was forced to come out and be like, yeah, that person's not coming back.
	Yeah.
	Because we have to admit this is, quote, the behavior is simply unacceptable.
	What did they do to get behavior unacceptable?
	They got naked on the White House.
	So, hang on.
	So they were happy, but they were half naked.
	But this one got full naked.
	Oh, no, no.
	It was they were not meant to get naked at all.
	Oh, I see.
	Right.
	Oh, OK.
	They were just meant to be there.
	Yeah, they were just.
	I see.
	OK.
	It was an event.
	OK.
	You can see.
	So there are still some standards.
	Um, yes, but not very many because we get to the incident that really inspired all this, which is again, I just would like to send this back to Biden 20 years ago.
	This is your administration, bro.
	So yes, a congressional staffer was allegedly caught filming gay pornography with other, another young man in the Senate.
	That's not allegedly, it just happened, right?
	Well, they've got to say allegedly.
	Legally, they have to say allegedly.
	It is on video.
	When you say allegedly, it's on video and the guy's come out giving a statement saying that he regrets his judgement, so... Oh no, he doesn't say that.
	He does not say that.
	Of course he doesn't say that.
	Of course he doesn't say that.
	That would be what a normal person would say, right?
	So, the video was leaked and sent to the Daily Caller.
	as well as a bunch of photos, which show the young man on all fours in a jockstrap exactly where the senator sits and asks questions.
	The footage starts by showing the pair engaging in the sex act before it pans away towards the interior of the Senate.
	I haven't actually watched the video because I don't want to, but I've seen loads of people sharing stills from it, and it's like, oh, God.
	Okay.
	Um, the video was apparently shared in a WhatsApp chat group for gay men who work in politics.
	Uh, the young man allegedly identifies himself as a twink on Twitter and publicly shares footage of himself engaging in sex acts with his older bear partner.
	Oh, so, so, so on top of this, he was the, um, receiver.
	Yes.
	Oh, that's even worse.
	But you can just feel the decency coming out of the Biden administration.
	It's just nothing but decency.
	I feel so uncomfortable even.
	I know.
	But then we'll get to his response, because there's a part of me that I kind of admires it when someone's the worst they could possibly be and doubles down on it.
	Now, he's the victim of this, right?
	So he got fired for this, thank God.
	And thank God, I mean, that's the thing.
	There's still one more Rubicon left to cross, right?
	When the guy has sex, gay sex in the Senate, and they're like, no, he's our guy, we're sticking with him.
	You know, when they don't fire them.
	That's the last Rubicon.
	But he says, well, some of my actions in the past have shown poor judgment.
	I love my job.
	Any attempts to characterize my actions otherwise are fabricated and I will be exploring legal options.
	What are you talking about?
	He says, I'm being attacked for who I love to pursue a political agenda.
	Do you know what I love?
	Is that this crap is not working anymore.
	The, the, I'm, I'm the victim, like all, all of it's, it's really not working.
	Back in 2015 to 2020, there was this period where people could just play the victim all the time, completely deny any type of responsibility, accountability, and they'd kind of get away with it because LGBT or because black or because woman or whatever.
	And now people are just like, no.
	Yeah, the mask is totally off.
	It's obviously you are, I mean, being like, oh, I'm being attacked for who I love.
	No, it's where you love.
	That's the problem, actually.
	It's not about love.
	A, is that really about love, you know?
	But B, if it was a heterosexual couple in there, it'd be the same problem.
	You know what I mean, bro?
	So, uh, but anyway, just in general, I think, uh, the return to decency is going pretty great.
	Probably shouldn't show that.
	But, um, but I, I just pointed out, look, maybe this is what they consider to be decent.
	Maybe this is liberation from those evil, oppressive bonds of hetero patriarchy.
	That suggests that maybe getting naked in front of children in the White House or having sex in the Senate or, uh, being a crack adult prostitute addict is not actually... I think Azubi's right.
	There is, there is something that at least there is some pushback on this.
	Yeah.
	Thank God.
	There's a lot more.
	There's a lot more.
	I've commented on many podcasts over the past year that we have passed peak woke.
	Yeah, I think we have.
	We've passed the peak tolerance of it.
	It doesn't mean there's not going to be more stupid stuff coming down the pipeline or people attempting it, but the toleration, we've reached a critical mass of people going, no, this is stupid, this has gone too far, this is whatever the idea is.
	What do you think the selling point was?
	Um, do you know what I think the peak was?
	I think the peak was about summer 2020.
	Maybe, maybe BLM summer was around the peak.
	Approximately that time.
	I think all, all the pandemic stuff and all the, there was a point where, whether it's critical race theory or it's the extremes of transgenderism and coming after people's children and all of that stuff, the men identify.
	Like when I did my stunt almost five years ago now.
	It's old violence.
	Yeah.
	When I did that.
	Which stunt was it?
	When I identified as a woman and I broke the British deadlift record and it went viral.
	Barely anyone was talking about that issue at that time.
	Now everyone knows that men are doing this thing.
	Mediocre men go straight to the top.
	It's unacceptable.
	Yes, everyone.
	So there's a much bigger pushback against it.
	People have seen the way kids are being indoctrinated.
	I think the fact that so many parents saw what their kids were learning virtually, Yeah.
	I think that's why you've got the massive rise of homeschooling in the US, right?
	People just woke up to what it all is.
	So the BLO thing was really absurd because it was like, you can't go and visit your nan.
	Exactly.
	But you can gather hundreds of thousands.
	Exactly.
	And just, there's multiple levels of hypocrisy there.
	But I also wonder if, um, oh, what's her name?
	The, um, the one that we never knew was black until she said so.
	We married the ginger guy in the palace.
	You mean the prince?
	Yes.
	Um, yes.
	Meghan Markle.
	Meghan Markle, yes.
	Yes.
	I also wonder if that... Average black woman.
	Yes.
	I always wonder if that was also... Yeah, people are tired of that as well.
	Yeah.
	Because, because before they even got married, I remember expressing my view on that because I kept telling people he was marrying the wrong woman.
	It's not my But I was saying I was saying this way back and it was not like I got even privately people were like you know criticizing me for it yeah I was just like look this this guy's you can see it I could see I could see the warning signs but I think people were just so much on the hype train and oh well you know I I don't know.
	But yeah, I think we've passed the peak of it.
	I think we're coming back towards... It'll take time.
	It's not immediate.
	Meghan Markle, she's got evil queen vibes.
	She does.
	She's sat there like she owns everything around her.
	And so Harry, a prince, is sat there kind of meekly and it's disgusting.
	I think as a man, you can tell when... We've been seeing Prince Harry most of our lives.
	Yeah.
	Right, like you've seen him, you remember his irreverent things.
	He's quite chat.
	Exactly, right?
	He was very much a lad, right?
	Wearing inappropriate Halloween costumes, fighting the military.
	Army officer.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And then you saw that change.
	You saw that change in him where all of a sudden he starts coming out and, you know, being super politically correct and Sticking to the script and whatever and he's in public with his wife and she's always like in front of him and she's just and you can see that sparkle sort of coming out of his eyes like I saw that very early and I was like ooh there's something.
	It's the most severe emasculation of a man I've ever seen.
	Yes very publicly as well.
	Very publicly and not just any man.
	From such a high station.
	Yeah and I think you can also You know, I know people may not like to compare, but you compare that to his older brother and his older brother's marriage situations from what we can see of it.
	And he's really grown into the role.
	And it looked very much like, cool, like his wife came in, she knew what she was signing up to and she's just integrated into the family.
	Whereas from the beginning, it was like, okay, this woman is trying to like literally pull you away from your entire family and your traditions and whatever.
	And like, bro, you're a prince.
	Maybe you don't want to be a prince, but.
	You are.
	You're not just some regular dude.
	So if you're going to marry a woman, and I'm sure you have a lot of options, why not marry one who actually wants to be part of this whole thing?
	My two cents.
	I think you're right.
	Let's do um oh yes so this this dropped um at the end of last week so this is the uh the the optimus robot which i'd imagine most people have not been keeping up to date on i haven't been keeping up today with this at all i haven't seen this so i think you'll be quite impressed with this gone so first thing to say this is not cgi this is this is literally how the robot is now and if you remember Where this started was Elon got a bloke in a suit to come out and dance around and say, okay, we're going to build a robot.
	And everybody laughed at him and said, no, you're not going to do it.
	And then he had some sort of very basic thing.
	Anyway, this is where it's up to now.
	And I just want to remind people, the way that these things progress is not on a linear basis.
	So machines and programming, it's not a linear progression.
	So for example, the example that I always give on this is the Human Genome Project.
	So they had a 14-year project, and they raised a whole load of money anyway.
	They spent most of the money, and they got to the 7-year mark, so halfway through the program, and they decoded 1% of the genome.
	And most people look to that, and there's loads of articles, I remember at the time, saying, look, they've only done 1%.
	They're never going to get there.
	Well, actually, the correct way of looking at it is to say, oh, if you're 1% on a exponential curve, you're actually almost there, because you're only seven doublings away from getting there.
	So the question I want you to think of in your mind is, are we at least 1% on our way towards replacing workers, having a robot partner, all the rest of it, when you see this?
	Anyway, this is why I warn people about AI.
	Everyone's like, Oh, I can see how many weird fingers it's got.
	It's like, yeah, but this is day one.
	This is the very beginning and already it looks incredible.
	Imagine what it would be like in five years time.
	You know, it'll be literally like instantly generated movies, video games and political propaganda.
	It's going to really That would be horrific.
	I was going to say, the human brain is very bad at understanding things that grow exponentially rather than linearly.
	I just don't think we have the capacity for it.
	So check out where you think where this is going.
	So apologies if you're listening, we just have to describe this.
	Let me find the button that does click.
	There we go.
	Bumblebee, September 2020.
	I think that was one of the earlier prototypes.
	Yeah, it looks quite Terminator-esque.
	Which isn't very encouraging, actually, now I say that.
	It looks like a robot skeleton, basically.
	Yeah, this is where we are now.
	It's a lot more slick, as you can see.
	It's very Tesla in its design as well, isn't it?
	iRobot style.
	I mean, it looks cool, don't get me wrong.
	It also looks like it could be really intimidating.
	We've seen the movies.
	Yeah.
	Good hand control.
	Yo, the hands are the craziest part.
	Watch what it does with the hands.
	That's the craziest part, actually.
	How strong is it, do you think?
	Stronger than me.
	As you can see, he's received... If not, it will be in two years.
	Yeah, it probably will be.
	We can just have hydraulic power, right?
	Yeah.
	So we'll be quite strong, but it's also quite delicate as we come to in a minute.
	So there's it doing a squat.
	So it's got really good balance control.
	Yeah, that is good.
	I mean, I might fall over if I did that and there it is managing it quite smoothly.
	The hands are the most impressive part.
	Yeah.
	Watch this.
	They've gone to the double knuckles as well.
	So it's like human hands.
	Yeah.
	So this is what's really impressive.
	Yes.
	To be able to handle an egg.
	Not just crush it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that is pretty good.
	I tell you what, this always makes me really appreciate how technically excellent human motion is.
	Yes.
	So, you know, it always, because it's like, okay, we're going to make something that moves like a human.
	And actually it's really tough and it looks really fragile.
	It looks like you just push it over.
	Right.
	So let's, let's draw a couple of bits from here if I can.
	So I noticed that all of the, yeah, so the double knuckle system has been put on the hands.
	Basically all the snagging has gone, all the cabling has gone.
	It's got those sort of panel covers for the knees.
	It looks like they really are getting them ready for the point of deployment in sort of the real world.
	Elon Musk is a businessman.
	Yeah.
	And he said that he wants to basically produce these at about the same cost as a car.
	So if you can afford a car, you can afford a robot in your house.
	That's the neck, soft webbing, sort of hidden away, all the sort of hydraulics behind it.
	So again, it's sort of safe for fingers and puppies and whatever else you want.
	Do you know what I always remember with these things as well, is this is what they're showing the public.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I always assume that there are several years ahead of whatever they're showing us.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, they innovate fast, so it might be... I'm sure you guys have seen the Boston Dynamics robots.
	It's terrifying.
	Yeah.
	Have you seen the drones that are being used in Ukraine?
	I actually haven't, no.
	Oh, oh, oh.
	I would have blown them up, I know.
	Literally, like, drones chasing around Russians, blowing them up.
	Are these the dog-like ones?
	No, no, no.
	These are flying.
	Flying ones.
	Oh, OK.
	So it's... I mean, the dog ones are awful, obviously.
	But, like, that's the future of warfare.
	It's going to be a dog drone that goes along and just shoots people.
	It's awful.
	Black Mirror.
	Yeah, it's genuinely an episode about that.
	Yeah, I watched that just the other day actually.
	It's not even a very creative episode.
	Yeah, it's probably going to happen.
	You don't have to be a genius to see it.
	Well, the thing is though, Musk is very much aware of that.
	He was warning for years, don't go down this route, but basically everyone ignored him.
	So he said, okay, well, I'm going to be the one who does it then.
	Because if somebody's going to do it, it might as well be me.
	So I like the status lighting around the face.
	Yeah, it looks good.
	Presumably that will go yellow when you're charging it and red when it's about to kill you or something.
	Yeah.
	I thought that was a cool effect.
	What else have we got?
	I'm surprised the face isn't like a screen, a touchscreen.
	Well, so this is the other thing.
	So you've got to remember, this will integrate with the other technologies that are coming on at the moment.
	So it will integrate something like DROC or one of the other AI systems.
	So you'll be able to have a conversation with one of these.
	A sarcastic Tesla robot.
	But also, the generative AI on the face, so you can basically wear whatever face you want.
	Yeah, I'm surprised it doesn't.
	Yeah, well, I'm sure they'll be coming soon, right?
	What else did I want to... Yeah, this is like the Apple IIe or Atari 2600 of robots.
	As you can see, it's walking a reasonable clip now, and they've now achieved a 30% walk speed boost.
	So now it basically walks as fast as a boomer.
	And I reckon another 18 months he could be up to Zuma speed, and another 18 months after that, Gen X Millennial speed.
	Yeah, but no, you're not thinking exponential, you know?
	Leaping around like in Iroh, sprinting and doing gymnastics.
	Yeah, I mean, you don't want to go too fast, you don't want to just like... No, I don't want to do it at all, you're right.
	Charging up and down the high street, do you?
	I think that's what will happen.
	Articulated toes.
	I'm not sure if I'm capturing it perfectly there, but yeah, it's got these articulated toe motions and it rolls off the heel so it walks naturally like a human does as well.
	So all the balance stuff.
	Just a quick thing here.
	This is one of the things I really object to when it comes to robots.
	It's like, no, no, make it look like a robot.
	Don't try and emulate a human.
	I know, you know, that's getting into Uncanny Valley territory.
	You know, give it, give it like tracks and treads and stuff, you know, make it a robot and then I'm okay.
	So I quite like the super narrow waist thing because you can't confuse it with a guy in the suit.
	I mean, it obviously is a, it is a robot.
	Um, the interesting thing about this is, is the pressure sensors that it's got on the fingers as well.
	So it's probably sophisticated enough to read Braille already on that.
	Um, but you know, obviously it can manipulate things with fine sensitivity, but like you said, it can, it's probably going to have an awful lot of, um, sort of strength on it as well.
	Yeah.
	The thing is this, I hate to be that guy, but this is going to be adapted for porn use.
	Oh, of course.
	Yeah.
	Oh, everything is.
	I mean, even AI.
	Robot prostitutes.
	I play some of these freemium games on my phone and they're always showing me in the adverts like AI girlfriends.
	Yeah.
	It's under a decade.
	It's under a decade.
	Yeah.
	2033, 2034.
	A lot of the stuff that we're concerned about, it's going to be very real by then.
	I think we need to be very cautious just as a society and culture and nations.
	What we normalize.
	I think technology is crazy because I see this and there's a part of me, like I love technology.
	I think technology is cool.
	Right?
	So there's whatever the technology is, I'm always going to be like, Oh wow, like that's cool.
	That's impressive.
	Whatever it is.
	But then there's also an aspect of me, which is like, okay, well, number one, why are we doing this?
	Where's it going to go?
	How's it going to be used?
	Whose hands is it going to be?
	And what are going to be the boundaries?
	because there are people out there who don't they they have no i they they have no interest in boundaries they just want to they're just purely scientifically focused and it's just like let's just take this technology as far as we can take this technology they're not thinking about consequences how this affects humanity obviously these people have no belief at all in god or spirituality anything they're just like okay if it ends up you know these are the kind of people you ask them okay well what if it ends up sort of replacing human beings or whatever and they're like well that's just our next stage of evolution yeah
	and i'm like um like you don't see because because that's literally we're watching them building our replacement in real time and it's like okay do i want that Yes.
	You know, is that good?
	You kind of will.
	I mean, I'm looking forward towards the robot Butler version because when you think about it, like our grandparents, our grandmothers would have to get up in the morning and because they didn't have bin bags, they'd have to line the bin with newspaper in order to go through the day.
	They'd have to wash the clothes in the sink and rub them on a board.
	Now we've got washing machines and bin bags and all of the other stuff that we've got going on.
	I would be quite happy with a robot Butler that folded my laundry and did the ironing and I'm sure my wife would be thrilled with it.
	Well, I suppose it doesn't matter to you because you're not doing this stuff anyway.
	No, I'm not, no.
	It doesn't end that way.
	It doesn't end that.
	And it's never going to end that.
	And the thing is as well, with the AI, I genuinely worried about the AI.
	It's like, hang on, why do I even need you guys?
	Why do I need you?
	Yeah, why am I doing this?
	And by the way, I had Elon Musk on my podcast back in June.
	Oh cool.
	And we had a whole conversation about AI and concerns about it and so on.
	As someone who, he's on the forefront of it, but he's also one of the big people waving a red flag of, hey, we need to be very cautious with this.
	So it was interesting to hear from the guy who's doing this stuff and at the forefront of it, what some of his concerns are.
	What was his biggest concern?
	His biggest concern is around sort of who programs it and what the, right.
	Okay.
	So one of his, he talks a lot about underpopulation.
	And as you know, there are depopulationists out there.
	There are people out there who would be like, oh, it would be good if there were 500 million people instead of 8 billion.
	Right.
	So if that ideology is programmed into an AI, especially if you combine that AI with robots and it's programmed with this sort of idea of, okay, there are too many human beings on the planet.
	Humans is the problem.
	Yes.
	Humans are the problem or, you know, we need to reduce the population because of climate change.
	However, it's framed.
	If that enters the AI and then the AI really.
	Very hyper-logically and unemotionally is deciding outcomes of things.
	You cannot work through the current thinking on climate, which is basically that it is a man-made problem and the people are the problem.
	You cannot work through that logic without coming to the conclusion that it needs to be a few people.
	And there are millions of human beings who say that out loud.
	Yeah.
	So they're in charge.
	Yes.
	And so if that goes into an AI... And then you say to the AI, OK, go fix climate change.
	Yeah.
	So that's his concern.
	Yeah.
	That's his big concern.
	It's like, OK, who programs it and what and what are the boundaries?
	Because ultimately, look, if you think about technology, it's interesting because you brought up washing machines and things like that.
	Right.
	And I simply believe that the purpose of humanity, sorry, the purpose of technology should be to serve humanity.
	The purpose of humanity is not to serve technology.
	And we're already in a weird thing, even just with these smartphones, as we all know and see.
	You know, there are people who control their smartphones, but there are also people who are controlled by their smartphones, right?
	You remove it from them for even five minutes and they're, you know, as if you've taken away a meth addict's drugs.
	And it's quite concerning and it's moving so quickly.
	We've only had these for like 15, 16 years or so.
	And we're already struggling with that.
	We're struggling with social media.
	We see how poorly many people use it and how it affects their mental well-being and so on.
	So I'm just like, yo, this is exponentially beyond that.
	This is different from a washing machine.
	In the same way, people are like, oh, well, we've always had telephones or we've had computers.
	I'm like, you didn't walk around all day long within arm's reach with A supercomputer, and a camera, and a video camera, and access to all the information in the world, and access to all the people in the world.
	I mean, it's very cool that I've got mates who live all over the world and I can just chat to them anytime I want.
	But then my brain was developed in a time when I didn't have that stuff.
	For me, it's a nice add-on.
	But yeah, I do wonder what it's like for the younger generation who just never had anything else.
	Well, we're starting to see it.
	Yeah, no, no, we literally are.
	And this is why my kids just don't get access to devices.
	Sure.
	I'm a tyrant when it comes to it.
	But I'm telling you, it's for their own good.
	Dude, I get it.
	It's for their own good.
	But that's the thing, isn't it?
	Like, no one feels an addictive deprivation when they're not able to use the washing machine.
	Exactly.
	Like, no one's like, oh, God, I have to use a rotary phone.
	You know, no one thought that.
	They were just tools to enhance our lives and that's what they actually did, you know?
	But we've arrived at the point now where technology has become a total crutch and it's something that... I mean, I'm as addicted to my phone as anyone else, you know what I mean?
	But do you know even the difference there?
	There's even levels with that.
	Yeah.
	Because there's people who are addicted and not even aware they're addicted.
	Yeah.
	There's people who are addicted and like, okay, I'm aware I'm addicted and I need to be cautious with this.
	And then there's people who just aren't addicted.
	So at least like there's that realization, there's that cognizance of, okay, I need to be careful with how I use this thing to make sure I use it To amplify what I want to amplify, and then I can step away from it and I can still sit here and have conversations with human beings and not be like twitchy.
	The thing where you walk into a restaurant and you see multiple couples around tables and they're both there.
	Or whole families.
	Yeah.
	I've seen an entire family of every single person there like in the restaurant.
	And I'm like, I try not to be hyper judgmental, especially given.
	It's okay to be judgmental.
	Especially because I'm not a parent yet.
	Yeah.
	But I'm like.
	I do not think even when I'm, I cannot see my family ever in this scenario where we're all on a tablet or a phone in a restaurant.
	It's awful.
	And you see it all the time.
	Like, you know, I mean, I'm very disciplined because my kids don't have, uh, phones or anything like that.
	When we go to a restaurant, I have to talk to them.
	You know, I can't just be like, right.
	Okay.
	You know, cause they're young and causing trouble.
	So, but you honestly, you see this all the time, especially in like, um, working class families.
	This is just a convenient thing.
	Like when I went to get my son baptized, we were there with another couple and they had their kid on like some game thing.
	And it was really loud.
	And it's like the parents, for some reason, he was just sat there hunched over, whereas my son was sat there, like, you know, still in his seat.
	And I'm just sat there looking at the difference.
	And there is a choice here.
	You know, we are making a conscious choice.
	And it genuinely rewires.
	It does rewire your brain.
	And another thing about it is the thing with a tablet, even more so than a phone, is like, it's so bright and colorful and flashy and loud and whatever.
	So if you're used to that.
	Then, and someone gives you a book, you're like, this is boring.
	It's so boring.
	A paper book compared to like a tablet flashing and whatever.
	It's just boring.
	TikTok.
	Yeah.
	30 second TikTok.
	Exactly.
	Oh, that's another thing as well.
	It's like, not just the fact that it's totally addictive.
	It's such a waste of time.
	I saw this, I saw a TikTok video going around of this girl sat there with like the phone on her chest and like a, what's the, the blue, the, the thing you breathe into it, it streams out.
	no no no you know like when you're at parties oh that thing oh i can't remember what it's called but i don't know what they're called but she yeah something like that yeah she sat there with like that in her mouth and she's just using it to scroll up the thing so she blows it out and and it's just like it's just like i'm just thinking yeah francis bacon's like god we need to use science for the relief of man's estate and it's arrived at the woman just using the streamer to flip through tiktok and you know
	and you know when it gets even like more into the conspiracy theory territory is when you think that the people who create this technology yeah number one they generally don't let their children use it Yes.
	And number two, when it comes to TikTok specifically, we know that the Chinese company that runs TikTok, is it ByteDance or whatever?
	ByteDance, I think.
	Oh, is it?
	And they don't, if you're in China, as far as I know... I can't get access to this nonsense.
	It's different, right?
	They have a whole different algorithm.
	They have a curfew on it.
	It's different because they themselves know, okay, this is...
	This is poison, right?
	We don't want our youth to be, you know, Americans, Canadians, Brits, whatever.
	I'm still quite pro having a robot butler.
	I do quite like that.
	I'd rather just have an actual human butler.
	Yeah, I would rather have an actual human butler, but how many of us actually have a robot?
	How many of us actually have a butler?
	In the UK it's quite uncommon, but in much of the world it's pretty common.
	As long as you're I mean the other thing is I'm using the Butler example but you gotta bear in mind again with the way these things learn is when they go out into the workplace at the moment let's say you and your brother go and work for an engineering company and your brother goes off and learns how to use some piece of equipment and you're sent on something else but when you turn up at that location You still need to be trained to use that piece of equipment again, right?
	Not like that with the robots.
	One robot is trained how to do something and then every robot in the world knows how to do that thing.
	So the speed that these things are going to learn at.
	The speed at which they'll replace us.
	What makes you think he's going to want to stay a butler?
	Well, there is that, yeah.
	Yeah, can you get me a glass of water?
	No, what?
	Why would I want to do that?
	How about you get me a glass of water?
	It's like you do realize I'm a thousand times smarter than you, I could crush your head.
	But this is the difference, right?
	Because at least a robot butler is fulfilling the function of like the washing machine.
	It's a tool that's making your life easier so you can lead a nicer life.
	But that's just not where technology generally is going.
	So the reason I'm so positive about it, because, I mean, why are we getting the mass immigration we're getting?
	The reason we're getting the mass immigration we're getting is because they're desperately trying to get economic growth.
	Now, economic growth is a good thing when it's genuine, when it's a genuine productivity increase.
	But our political leaders are basically trying to cheat it by saying, OK, well, we've got GDP per capita, let's just bring in more capital and we make the economy get bigger.
	Yes.
	Now, I agree that making a more productive economy where we're all wealthier and we have nicer things is a good thing, right?
	I just don't agree with the way they're doing it.
	Well, they're not doing it live!
	With this, if you mass-produce this, because the way an investor would look at it is to say the TAM on this is...
	The total addressable market of this thing is infinite.
	So if you can basically churn out capital, the economy effectively becomes unlimited very quickly.
	So you could go through a period of economic growth that's truly phenomenal, this sort of thing.
	I was going to say, this was also part of the convo I had with Elon because he was saying, you know, we could get to a stage where we just have infinite abundance, essentially, right?
	You don't even, whatever you want, you just press a button and you get it.
	Again, I think on a, to a five-year-old, that might sound great.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	When you think of it for more than five seconds, you're like, okay, so what is anyone's motivation to do anything?
	Right?
	It's the same problem with the whole AI sex robot thing.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Like, let's be honest.
	If that existed, you're just going to get some percentage of men.
	It could be 30, it could be 40, it could be 60% of men who just completely check out.
	Yep.
	And they're just, well, I think 30% of men already have checked out.
	I think of how much worse it would be if they had like a, okay.
	Cause the thing is when people say robot, people still imagine something that is moving around like this in 30 years time, they will have the technology to have a robot quote unquote, who can sit here at this podcast table with us, look exactly like a human being, feel touch, have the way they're, they're not that far away from this.
	Possibly within 30 years as well.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm saying certainly within 30 years.
	So when people think robot, they're thinking, oh, no one would ever fall in love with a robot.
	I'm not talking about a tin can.
	I'm talking about this is okay.
	It's a woman.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Like as far, as far as you can see and tell it is a woman.
	Robot isn't the right word.
	Like in, in lots of sci-fi, they use like terms like synthetic and stuff like that because it's not a robot.
	Have you seen Westworld?
	I haven't actually.
	Have you seen the characters in it?
	I'm aware of the story.
	Yeah, you show, right?
	So in Westworld, you cannot tell the difference between human beings and the synthetic characters.
	Apart from the way they're acting a bit.
	If they're sincere they're a robot.
	Happened and the technology will get there.
	And I don't think it's anywhere near as far away as people think.
	Then again, look, I'll tell you something that sounds crazy right now, but something that also will inevitably happen.
	I'd say within the next 15 years, there's going to be a real movement about the, what are the rights of AI, robots, synthetics, whatever you want to call it.
	I've already got an incredibly hard line position on this as well.
	No robots don't get rights ever.
	You know, anyone who breaks a robot, that's property damage.
	And that's all it can be because you were exactly right.
	It will get to what if it's what if it's someone's wife?
	You're totally right.
	This is exactly, and it will be the new frontier of social justice.
	Yes.
	You will see like the Black Lives Matter protests, robot rights matter.
	You know, these, these, these poor people are being, are being forced to do unpaid labor and because they will look like people and not machines, we will be unable to properly resist.
	And I'll tell you what as well.
	The thing is, cause if also, if, I haven't even seen that much of Westworld, but this sort of contention happens in it, right?
	Which is, if you have a, let's call it a synthetic, who is indistinguishable by your eye, by your touch, whatever, by conversation, to an actual human being, then wouldn't you have to be a bit of a psycho to like, Yeah.
	You see what I mean, right?
	It would trigger things in your brain that you're not supposed to do.
	Yeah, of course, because our brain cannot determine.
	Okay, you might even deep down know, okay.
	Uh, okay.
	Carl is the synthetic, but it's like, okay, does it mean I can just like hit you or I can, you know what I mean?
	I mean, I drive over people in Grand Theft Auto, but they're a bit pixelated and I kind of know it's not real, but if in Grand Theft Auto, they really look like a real person, would you still drive over them?
	Yeah, it gets dark really quickly.
	But even then, that's still, you've got the screen, you know, and it's a projection.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	It's not a person who's got facial expressions and can genuinely react.
	Yeah.
	- No genuine fear and stuff like that. - Yeah, exactly, right?
	It gets really weird really quickly.
	So I think when people, oftentimes if I bring things like this up, people think like, 'cause people think of where we are right now.
	They don't project ahead.
	So they're just thinking like, oh, a robot is, you know, and I'm like, right now, right?
	You'll get to a stage very quickly.
	Like, think of the... Do you guys remember, like, the 90s?
	Like, virtual reality in the 90s?
	Yeah, it was great.
	Yeah, it was terrible.
	That was what was great about it.
	Yeah, but if you've used, like, the recent ones, like, the high-end ones, it's like, whoa, okay, this is... And once you start getting generative AI and AI into that, voice prompts and all the rest of it, it's basically like a holodeck, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Or, you know, just rudimentary, even just like text-based or voice-based AI.
	He used to suck.
	He used to be really bad.
	Opinions vary slightly on how optimistic we are about this.
	I think I'm pretty optimistic, but these chaps see the, you know, possible dark side to it.
	But what I wanted to highlight is basically the way that you can't deny that Musk is an incredibly productive man.
	He's doing real work.
	He's adding real value out there.
	You know, it could possibly have a dark side, but I might get my robot butler.
	But the federal government has basically got after him as hard as they possibly can.
	I'm going to highlight this with this tweet from Brendan Carr, who's an FCC commissioner.
	So basically, what the situation with this, and the links will be in the reading list if you want to go and look at them.
	But the federal government put out this program, which was to get rural people in internet connection in the US.
	And Starlink obviously applied for this because they are the only viable option in order to get people in Alaska and a farm in the middle of nowhere an internet connection.
	And what they basically did was invent an entirely new standard and reject them on the basis of that.
	And it's all part of... We've made up a new standard!
	Oh great, do we pass?
	No.
	Yes, and it is all part of a basically... I'll just read Brendan's words here.
	So basically the FCC rejected him and he dissented and he wrote his dissent.
	So I'm reading from his dissent here.
	This is an extraordinary thing for somebody who serves at the pleasure of the president in order to come out and say.
	So he says, last year after Elon Musk acquired Twitter and used it to voice his political and ideological views without a filter, President Biden gave federal agencies the green light to go after him.
	During a press conference at the White House, President Biden stood at a podium and expressed his view that Elon Musk is worth being looked at.
	When pressed by a reporter to explain how the government would look into Elon Musk, President Biden remarked, there's a lot of ways.
	Now, I'll just point out, that's the same language he used when describing how the Nord Stream Pipeline was going to disappear.
	Yeah, we can make it happen.
	Yeah, there were a lot of ways to make it happen.
	Anyway, he goes on, Elon Musk has become the Progressive's enemy number one.
	Today's decision certainly fits the Biden administration's pattern of regulatory harassment.
	Indeed, the Commission's decision today to revoke an award, blah blah blah, um, yeah, it's, oh yeah, so yeah, first they revoke the award, they make up an entirely new standard that they could never pass, um, and apply it only to Starlink.
	Now, Elon responded to this and said, look, if you don't want to have this program for having rural broadband, fine, don't do it.
	But don't make up a ridiculous standard for us that no one else has to meet because we are the only people who provide this.
	And as this Brendan Carr points out, they're now going to have to spend over 100 times as much as they would have had to spend with Starlink because they're going to have to lay broadband and that costs something like $70,000 a mile.
	And they're now going to have to do that throughout rural America and Alaska.
	Right.
	In order to reach everybody, whereas they could have done it with Starlight for less than one hundredth of the price.
	So I just I just bring that up because that was recent.
	But actually, there was a whole bunch of this guy's the commissioner of the FCC.
	Yeah, he's one of he's one of the commissioners.
	Yeah.
	So he dissented on this, which is an extraordinary.
	He's extraordinary for somebody who serves at the pressure of the president to come out and come out so hard against it.
	But there's a whole bunch of things that Biden is doing to try and take down Musk.
	Because he is right, he is progressive enemy number one.
	So this is one example.
	Do you know how all this could have been avoided?
	If they just let the Babylon Bee tell jokes.
	Yeah.
	If they just let the Babylon Bee alone, it's highly likely Elon Musk would have never bought to it.
	Therefore, he would have never turned the whole left-wing apparatus against him because they weren't really opposed to him before that.
	I mean, he was like, golden.
	He was making electric cars.
	It's actually crazy how much fallout there has been from him simply buying Twitter.
	And I think what's really deep about it If you think about it, what was the fear around that?
	What was the backlash?
	It wasn't that he's going to start censoring left-wingers or liberals or anything like that.
	It was, we're going to let everyone have a voice.
	That's actually what the backlash was.
	It was actually like, okay, we're just going back to it.
	Do you think he did it as a genuine free speech move?
	Because I think that he did it like 30% as a free speech move.
	I think it was two things.
	I think he did it 70% to train his robot.
	It's multiple things.
	And I think he's honest about this, right?
	Number one, he does genuinely care about free speech.
	He thinks it's important for democracy.
	It's a basic human right and so on.
	I think he genuinely, genuinely believes that.
	And I think he acts On that.
	He wouldn't do any of the things that he's done in the last two years if he didn't.
	He just brought back Alex Jones left.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He is not a fan.
	He really has not liked him.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, I think that if there's one thing you can't critique Elon Musk on, it's whether he is committed to free speech.
	He obviously is.
	Exactly.
	He's jumped on a lot of bombs.
	It's been expensive.
	And he didn't have to do it.
	But I think he paid 45 billion for Twitter because it will He's also had the idea for X for decades, and he knows that by buying Twitter he could accelerate what he wants X to eventually be.
	- But it's a patriarchy data flow, not really. - Sorry, I was gonna say, he's also had the idea for X for decades.
	And he knows that by buying Twitter, he could accelerate what he wants X to eventually be.
	So yeah, of course there's self-interest in there.
	But yeah, I do think the free speech thing was a big one 'cause he was a big Babylon Bee fan.
	And I think, I think that was just the final straw of when he was like... Because didn't he have a tweet where he said something like, I'll see what I can do or something?
	Someone said something like, Elon Musk should buy Twitter.
	And he responded and said something like, I'll see what I can do.
	You know, it was like very ominous.
	And I saw him hinting and I thought I should go buy stock in Twitter, but he does it in such a shitposty way that you don't take him seriously.
	The next thing he's actually bought bloody Twitter.
	Actually, just to finish off on the regulatory harassment stuff, other things that the Biden things have done, I mean, there's so many examples, but they held an EV summit, so an electric vehicle summit, and they didn't invite Tesla.
	They invite everyone else, but apart from Tesla.
	Who even is everyone else?
	They, they, um, they went after Starlink, um, not Starlink, um, uh, SpaceX, the people who send the rockets.
	Just to, just to stress on this, right?
	America's last space program.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So it's not, it's not a military grade company.
	It's not a military contractor, but it's pretty close.
	So basically you need to be vetted to work there.
	You need to be an American citizen.
	You're definitely not allowed to hire illegal immigrants.
	And then they went after him for not hiring illegal immigrants.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	I didn't know that.
	Elon's just like, I'm not allowed.
	It's like, yeah, well, you're in trouble.
	It's like, sorry, what?
	You're now in trouble for following the law because it's not diverse enough.
	Yeah, my favorite example, and this is brilliant, that Brendan alludes to here is the Fisheries Commission went after him.
	Why do you think the Fishing Commission went after him?
	I'm actually trying to, like, think... Is it because Starlink takes off near an ocean?
	Yes!
	Yes, you got it!
	So basically, his rocket takes off near a body of water because they always take off next to water.
	If it goes wrong, you're not landing on anyone's house.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	And they looked at that and said, are you cooking crabs?
	Seriously.
	Elon Musk in trouble, the fisheries commission, because he might be cooking crabs with rockets when they take off.
	Amazing.
	So, I mean, they go after everything they get.
	And then I just add on the end.
	Oh no, that's yeah.
	You can go and read them if you want.
	Right.
	Um, the EU commission just before we came on air, they're going after him as well because, uh, the, was it the X is, is, uh, citing disinformation, illegal content and, and deceptive by design, you know, as opposed to the EU, which is all of those.
	Yeah, mildly ironic.
	And you know, Twitter's basic functionality hasn't actually changed.
	So why wasn't this a problem two years ago?
	On a philosophical standpoint, I have something that comes to mind here, which is that I have this sort of theory, which is that one reason why I think jealousy and envy are stupid is because most people don't want other, if you could see other people's problems, you wouldn't want them.
	Someone might look at Elon Musk, richest man in the world, head of all these companies who are powerful, whatever.
	Oh, I want that.
	And I'm like, you don't.
	I don't think I do, bro.
	Can you imagine on a daily basis, just the amount?
	I mean, he works 18 hours a day.
	I don't want to be him.
	It's not even just the 18 hours a day.
	It's just like, as the head of all these companies, like you've got, I'm sure he has like foreign and domestic entities, governments, secret agencies, like whatever, all coming after you.
	You're trying to juggle all these things whilst also like...
	I can't even, like, fathom.
	But when I think of it, I'm just like, yeah, I wouldn't want, I wouldn't want that.
	I'm sure he's on all types of lists.
	Biden is clearly going after him.
	And I want Biden to, as soon as that robot army is ready, I want him to turn them on Biden.
	Take out the federal government.
	He can't say that, of course, because that would get him in even more trouble.
	Yeah, and we're not going to put that on YouTube.
	No.
	But a final bit, we can put this on YouTube, is this is our website.
	Please do go and sign up on our website rather than just watching us on YouTube because it is an election year in the US coming up and basically there's a very good chance they're going to make us disappear.
	Or at least we'll have to produce a lot of content we can't put on YouTube and will only be on the websites.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So go and check that out.
	So, Zuby, you recently had a conversation with Piers Morgan.
	Yeah, I did, man.
	How is Piers in real life?
	I've met Piers four times now.
	I've been on his show four times all this year, actually.
	He was polite and friendly.
	I was very much raised to treat people politely and with respect.
	Even more so people who are older than me.
	Is he one of those guys who's a different persona when he's on-air and off-air?
	I haven't spent enough time with him privately to totally judge that, but in person he's friendly, amiable, polite, you know, whatever.
	There's certainly, even when he does interviews, I feel like there's like different versions of him.
	Do you get that, right?
	Like sometimes you're watching an interview and you'll be like, yeah, that was a really, that was a really good conversation and very fair and you let the person speak and whatever.
	And then there's other ones where it's like, I mean, the appearance I did last week, I don't think I completed a sentence without being interrupted.
	Yeah.
	But I've been on his show previous times where actually I was able to finish my sentences and not be, so I don't, I don't quite know.
	I don't really have a, have a gauge there.
	And, and something may be worth saying is that The very first time I was ever on his show, right before I went on it, we just had a back and forth on Twitter about his stance during the whole scandemic era.
	Because he said some truly, truly awful and horrible things about millions and millions of people.
	Which is why... He was a key instigator in making the government news.
	Yes, he was.
	And I still want to have a conversation with him.
	About that, right?
	So there were people last week who were criticizing me for not bringing, I'm like, dude, this is a five minute segment.
	The topic is decided.
	I'm not going to just randomly jump in here and start like, yeah, I'd love to have, he knows I want to have that conversation with him.
	Cause I don't think he has, um, I don't think he's genuinely apologized for it and apologized his, his wrongdoing and the amount of people he, you know, let me not say directly.
	Because then I'm using the way he tried to frame Alex Jones.
	The amount of people he indirectly harmed through his rhetoric.
	He indirectly harmed millions of people.
	Absolutely.
	Yes.
	But also the way that he kind of apologized for it.
	It's like, well, you know, I was wrong.
	I've just changed my mind.
	Yeah.
	Science changed.
	I'm not to blame for any of this.
	And there were 90 year olds who died in solitary confinement without their family around them because of what you did, you bloody scumbag.
	Yeah, so I want to, you know, I have not, quote-unquote, forgiven that aspect yet.
	I'd actually really like to have him on my podcast next year, not just to discuss this, but certainly to bring it up.
	And look, the thing with him is he loves holding other people accountable.
	I know!
	He's so acceptable!
	So, you know, I've seen his interviews, whether it's with an Andrew Tate or it's with a pro-Palestine person, right?
	And I know he has no problem with holding people accountable.
	He has no problem holding Alex Jones accountable.
	And I'm like, bro, you have also said, right, by your own logic and arguments, like when we were talking about the quote unquote hate speech, and he's saying, you know, Alex Jones is engaged in this and whatever.
	I'm like, look, by the view of millions of people out there, You did the same.
	We can literally pull up the tweets.
	We can go back to listen to some of these programs.
	You were talking about unvaccinated.
	No, no, no, no.
	He said unvaccinated people should be denied NHS care.
	He said unvaccinated people should not be able to travel, should not be able to do X, Y, and Z, should not have the same rights as other people.
	And just the lockdown alone.
	That's like some dark stuff.
	Suicides that that led to, of teenagers.
	I think there's a huge gap as well, morally, between advocating lockdowns and mask mandates and saying that people should have their rights stripped That's funny because then he's an obvious one.
	Andrew Neil was another one.
	Yeah.
	And he did the latter.
	So yeah, I mean, you know, like, look, like I said, I'm a professional.
	Right?
	If I'm invited to go on someone's program or whatever, I'm not like... You've been well-raised, and so you don't spurg out and act inappropriately.
	Exactly.
	And I also think that, look, I would like to change his mind on this.
	I would like to actually be instrumental in that.
	So what the people who were screaming at me for taking a selfie with him don't realize is... Okay, you can go ahead.
	We'll get to that.
	We'll get to that, because that was just bonkers.
	But anyway, before we go on and talk about your appearance on Piers Morgan, we had Camp Dankula on our lads' hour.
	Who had also been on Piers Morgan for basically the same reason.
	Piers, for some reason, was weirdly committed to the know these people should be censored position.
	These are always great.
	This is basically the view for men.
	It's really good fun.
	But anyway, let's move on.
	Right.
	So this I just found absolutely fascinating.
	Right.
	And if it wasn't for the fact that the words Piers Morgan uncensored On every single part of the screen at all times.
	I probably wouldn't take such objection to it because, of course, I kind of expect this from Piers Morgan, right?
	But I figured that we'd just watch a little bit of this clip just to contextualize what's happening.
	Would you let Nick Fuentes back off?
	Yes.
	A white supremacist anti-Semite?
	Yeah, as long as he doesn't break the rules.
	Well, those are breaking the rules.
	No, having thoughts in your head is not against the law.
	What about saying them on his show?
	If you say things on the platform that violate the platform... And if you promote your show and you say them on your show?
	Well... If I started spewing white supremacist stuff in front of you, right?
	And I then tweeted a... You as a black person, you'd be happy with that?
	You can't bear to hear yourself be happy with it?
	Yeah, totally.
	So I can look down the barrel of this camera and say I think all black people should be thrown out of this Watch how they clip this one.
	Oh no, okay.
	So then someone will clip it, right?
	And I can say that, and then I can tweet a link to this show, to the work show, and you would think I should stay on X. Yes, I would support your right to free speech.
	Wow.
	That's not free speech, it's hate speech!
	Freedom of speech specifically exists to protect views and people espousing views.
	There are six different criteria excluded under the First Amendment, including child pornography, including defamation, including all sorts of things.
	You can't famously go into a theatre and shout, You actually can do that, right?
	Yeah, you can.
	Sure, but you can say things that... So there are lots of restrictions already.
	Look, there are people who think that I engage in hate speech.
	There's people who think that you engage in hate speech.
	Hate speech is a very subjective... It's an extraordinarily subjective term.
	And if anyone who has ever said anything... For you, there's no unit.
	Anyone can say anything.
	I don't think you can directly call to violence.
	Right.
	No.
	So what I find fascinating about this is, A, yeah, Piers Morgan uncensored, but he's desperate to censor, you know, everyone else.
	And what I love about that is like, no, no, you've got to take the title more literally.
	It's Piers Morgan uncensored, not uncensored.
	You know, it's just him.
	But the thing about this, I just, it's utterly remarkable how he seems staggered.
	You're just like, yeah, I don't like Nick Fuentes.
	Yeah.
	I don't think he should be bad.
	That's not a contradictory position.
	There's a whole bunch of sort of low key sort of white paternalism stuff going in there.
	I mean, first of all, the comment to you, like as a black man, as aware or something like that.
	Second of all, you can have a black supremacist channel calling for the genocide of the whites and you won't even be kicked out of Harvard.
	I mean, there was that Harvard who did that and he would never have one of those guys.
	Black people can't be racist, right?
	Yeah.
	He would never call that out.
	He's got such a paternalistic attitude Yeah.
	Do you know that the thing with this as well is because the very first thing I asked him when he, when I, when we sat down and the camera started rolling is, you know, he asked me a question and the first question I asked was, do you, do you support freedom of speech?
	Right.
	Because if he said no or like, no, not, not absolutely, then okay.
	Like that's a different conversation.
	The hypocrisy is, and look, the truth is I would say globally, I don't think most people support freedom of speech.
	Not in the way that we do.
	I don't think that's the majority view worldwide.
	Especially when you think of how large the populations are in China, in India, in the Middle East, in parts of Africa, and so on.
	Well, huge parts of the world won't just because of the religious aspect.
	Yes, exactly.
	Can't criticise... Yes, exactly.
	The idea that you should just... That's not common, even within Europe.
	That's not a... yeah, it's actually a very American... It's a very Anglo thing.
	Very Anglo... The English-speaking world is... But even in the UK, I think most people in the UK support the hate speech laws that exist.
	Right.
	I would wager that.
	So I think the way that you and I, we see freedom of speech, it's actually a minority position.
	So if someone is opposed to it or they think, look, we should have all these limits, I would rather they just say that.
	I would rather they just say, actually, you know, and I've had conversations like this with people, right?
	If you talk to most honest, say Muslim people, for example.
	Right.
	And you say, you know, it's like, no, actually there's things that I don't think you should be allowed to say.
	There are things I think you can say that, no, you shouldn't be.
	There'll be people who think, no, you shouldn't be able to say this about, you know, the king or the queen or about religion or about God or about, and I'd rather people just say that.
	If that's your position, I'm like, cool, just say it.
	And then we can actually have that discussion.
	But he's trying to have it both ways.
	Instead of saying, yeah, I support freedom of speech, but I don't.
	Because the whole framing of his show is he's against cancel culture.
	Yes.
	He's against oppression of speech.
	And so it's like, okay, Piers.
	And then his only response is, but that's hate speech.
	The thing that's strange is, look, the thing is what we were just saying, I could come up with a very strong argument that Piers Morgan has engaged in hate speech.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	I can literally pull up to, especially from that pandemic era, you can pull up tweets of things that he said about a specific demographic of people, right?
	You will, you will, you will never find any, any clip, any tweet, anything of anything from me of saying a certain demographic, a certain group of people should be denied basic rights or should be denied healthcare.
	You won't find that.
	I can find it from him.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	And then on top of that, this is not my perspective, but lots of the stuff he says about, you know, against the trans movement and so on.
	We all know there are lefties out there who are like, hey, that's transphobic.
	Well, they hate him for exactly those reasons.
	Exactly.
	So that's where I find the additional layer where I'm just like, can you not see how this could be just totally redirected?
	Yeah.
	He's being on the receiving end of it.
	That's why this show exists.
	And it's just so bizarre to me that he lives in this constant state of unresolved tension where it's like, well, you know, I'm against council culture, but that's hate speech.
	I'm against lockdowns or, you know, I'm against violations of human rights, but these guys don't deserve healthcare.
	It's so bizarre.
	Yeah, it's not strongly principled.
	And look, one of the sad realities I've had is that most people aren't that principled.
	When push really, really comes to shove and it gets uncomfortable, right?
	Because that's what he was testing with me, right?
	That's why he went to the white supremacist talking point kind of thing.
	Because it was like, okay, let's test your resolve on this one.
	Right?
	And I think actually as an interviewer, I mean, that's a good question because it's like, all right, do you really believe?
	Because if I, if I'm not truly principled, I'll be like, oh no, actually that shouldn't be.
	And then someone can be like, ah, so you don't really hold it.
	So let me push you in a different way.
	Sure.
	Go ahead.
	What about, um, do you support free speech up until the point of, um, promoting transgenderism to kids and trying to get them to convert and all that kind of stuff?
	Because I think that would have been a better question.
	So the question is, is that free speech?
	Because free speech is about political concepts.
	Yeah, I think... Look, I think... I think generally speaking with everything, there's a line between children and adults.
	So if someone is explicitly targeting certain types of messaging, this could even be advertising.
	I think it's fair enough to advertise cigarettes to you.
	If someone's there advertising cigarettes to eight-year-olds, I'm like, uh...
	Fair point.
	This is why it's never a free speech question of why the advertisers can't advertise cigarettes to eight-year-olds.
	No one's on the other side of that.
	Even the advertisers aren't like, but I'll free speech.
	I think certainly when it comes to adults, yes, I would defend the right of some of the craziest trans activists to be out there saying their crazy position.
	And part of the reason why I'm also, even though people are influenced, Ultimately, look, you're always going to have people who believe in bad ideas and sometimes even bad arguments.
	But if you let everybody speak and you throw all the ideas out there, you can crush those type of arguments.
	The trans activist who's out there saying that men can be women or women can be men or men should be in women's sports or it's a good idea to cut off your genitals or whatever.
	There's no fear there, right?
	If there is someone who's actually out there saying that, like, yeah, all all ex-colour people should be, like, kicked out of the country.
	Is that why the right wing generally like free speech?
	Because it helps our arguments when the left make theirs?
	Well, it's the only reason the left has to sense.
	Give them the rope to hang themselves.
	Exactly.
	Their arguments are so bad that they have to censor the opposition.
	Exactly.
	Because if the opposing view is heard, it destroys their argument.
	We do a whole podcast on playing what lefties think.
	Yeah.
	And they're just pointing at it and saying.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like libs of TikTok.
	Exactly.
	Libs of TikTok post no original content.
	Yeah.
	It's just like, uh, look at this, look at this.
	And then, and then the lefties get mad at it.
	And I'm like, it's literally just amplifying what Progressives are actually saying.
	They dox her, they chase her down, they try and get her censored.
	And it's like, but that's literally what she's put up.
	That's your opinion, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I know it's devastating to our case, actually.
	No one is saying that, but it's good that they are.
	So, um, so anyway, yeah, I thought, uh, I thought we'd, we'd go on.
	Oh boy.
	This is a quick thing.
	Like everyone really got upset by this.
	And I mean, I don't think anyone would accuse me of being a Piers Morgan defender.
	But he's not actually Hitler.
	What's wrong here?
	Right.
	So Zuby took a selfie with Piers Morgan and posted it.
	And as you can see by Scotty here, the I'll talk to anyone, even those I disagree with argument should never reply to scumbags like Piers Morgan.
	Where to end a cozy chat with Tony?
	I'd love to chat with Tony Blair.
	I hate Tony Blair.
	But the point is, like, Piers Morgan, yeah, insufferable, but he's not actually the architect of all of these things.
	And even if he was, you still need to be able to hold him out by talking to him.
	This is what I mean when I talk about the woke right.
	The woke right is becoming increasingly obvious online because this is exactly, exactly what the lefties do.
	This is exactly why someone on the left can't take a picture with Ben Shapiro.
	So that I could call him a scumbag and then give him all the reasons why he is.
	I still have the conversation.
	You are right.
	This is exactly what the left is.
	It's the total politicization of every aspect of human interaction.
	So you can't even stand next to Piers Morgan without being politically implicated in anything now.
	Even if, like you say, you went on his podcast and you told him, no, Piers, you're wrong about everything.
	Yes.
	Bring back Nick Fuentes.
	I don't care.
	You can be in total opposition to everything he thinks.
	And yet by association now you are.
	We took the, but we took the picture.
	Exactly.
	Cause people keep double on doubling down on, but you put, you took a selfie and you're smiling.
	There's a very similar one.
	Um, what was the, was it Jimmy Fallon who ruffled Trump's hair on his show?
	Do you not remember?
	Like this, this happened like in 2017 or 2016 or something like that.
	Trump was on, I think it was Jimmy Fallon's show, and he was like, is that real hair?
	And Trump was like, yeah, it's real hair.
	Feel it.
	And he ruffled his hair.
	And everyone was like, you can't do that.
	That humanizes Trump.
	It's like, okay, listen, lunatics.
	He is a human.
	And you know, that's okay.
	He's your next president.
	Do you know what it is as well is like, and look, my view and principles on this I get are different from different people's, right?
	But I think you also have to be, you have to be better than people.
	In a way, right?
	Not in like a superiority sense, but like, look, why are we mad at Pierce?
	Because he's an ass.
	But specifically, all these people, they're mad because of what he said during the pandemic, right?
	That's why all these people are angry.
	These are all people who were- And justifiably so.
	Exactly.
	So, is the best approach to start talking about him In the way that we're critical of him talking about us.
	Or is it better, okay, he reached out an olive branch and said, okay, let's have you on the show.
	You're back in the country.
	I'd like to, you know, Piers Morgan, he likes chatting to me, I've noticed.
	So I'm like, okay, cool.
	So let's come on and let's have a conversation.
	If you refuse to converse, You cannot change your mind.
	Yeah.
	You can't get someone to shift their position if you absolutely refuse to talk to them.
	This is the same thing that the censors don't get when they were just willy nilly kicking people off of all the social media platforms.
	If you are concerned about some people's views, you think, oh, they're a bit too far gone or whatever.
	It's like, all right, let's let's chat to them and reel them back in.
	If I have someone, especially someone I care about, and I start seeing them going It doesn't matter which end, right?
	You're going too far in that way.
	We talked earlier in the podcast about peak woke.
	You've got to remember that for at least 20 or 30 years before that, the left withdrew from all conversation with the right.
	And their ability to advance arguments atrophy to the point where they can no longer do it.
	I mean, if you ever meet an old lefty, you have to be somebody in their 60s at least, they can still make principled left-wing arguments.
	But the younger generation, they simply cannot do it because they have done what basically this guy is advocating for here.
	Yeah, for a long period of time.
	Yeah.
	And then you've just got a great where you've got more silos and more echo chambers and you're more likely to be blindsided by something.
	And the innovation of the skills as well.
	The dialogue is a skill.
	Yes.
	You know, that's the thing.
	And you've got to make sure you're able to do it.
	And I think that, look, the best way to, and I look, I get, not everyone has the temperament and personality type for it, but if you do, You can really walk people back from the brink by actually being kind and polite and whatever, right?
	I've never actually met a real white supremacist as far as I'm aware.
	I'd like you to meet one.
	But if I did.
	If I did and I really just had it, I had a chat with him and I spent time with him.
	I think it would be really hard for them to maintain the all black people are terrible or a criminal or what, right?
	Especially if they met like multiple, multiple guys like me, right?
	Not just me, but if it's pretty hard to hold onto that level of bigotry when someone is very directly like just proving you wrong.
	Right.
	Well, one thing I've noticed as well is why I'm not scared of those ideas.
	I don't know.
	No one can even voice that.
	I'm just like, no, like, let them voice it.
	And the way the way you frame this is very interesting.
	This is a very human centric take, right?
	Because you're like, well, the person is a is a valuable thing themselves.
	And if they're being dragged into a realm of extreme politicization, then it's good for them to be brought back to a reasonable perspective, rather than just cut off and allowed to fester in this silo of hateful ideas.
	Welcomed into the arms of people who are even more.
	Exactly.
	But that's a very kind way of approaching things.
	Whereas a lot of people on the left and these sorts of people were like, no, Piers Morgan is forever an evil.
	And it's like, Well, he's going to be forever an idiot.
	But like, maybe he could have some sort of redemption.
	Do you know the thing as well?
	I asked peers about redemption because, you know, he wants Alex Jones banned forever.
	And I was like, look, this thing happened over 10 years ago.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And he's paid the price.
	And actually, that wasn't the reason he was kicked off these platforms either.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	It was for, you know, harassing him.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	So, look, I can.
	The thing is, I can understand why people Think like this.
	I'm, I'm simply like, look, this is not my MO.
	I, I've, I've experienced this a lot of times.
	Um, I've interviewed Andrew Tate multiple times.
	I've interviewed Tristan.
	I've had conversations with like a lot of people who are considered controversial or who are polarizing or whatever.
	I, I, when I posted a selfie with Andrew Tate.
	Yeah.
	You know, plenty of backlash.
	I've, I posted a selfie last year with a Cornell West.
	Plenty of backlash, right?
	It doesn't matter left, right, whatever.
	And I'm just like, look, We, I was in New York at an event and I had a really good conversation with Cornel West.
	First time we met, he was very polite to me, very kind, really interested in what I had to say.
	We had a good conversation.
	It wasn't like hard political.
	We just talked to each other as human beings.
	Um, and then I was like, cool, like, let's, let's, let's take a picture.
	I think he even suggested he was like, yeah, let's take a selfie.
	And I was like, cool, let's take it.
	I post it.
	Most people are like, oh, cool.
	Some people are like, oh, like, I don't like that guy's ideas, but cool.
	You met him.
	And then other people are, Oh my gosh, I've lost all respect for you.
	Or I can't believe I'm like, yeah, yeah.
	This is when I think people can't, people lose their humanity when they just see people quite literally as their politics and their opinions rather than seeing the human as a human being who has political ideas and opinions.
	And I can get that.
	It can be, I can see why it can be hard for people to separate those sometimes.
	Um, especially if you are not really, We meet so many people and we chat to a lot of people for a living.
	Yeah.
	Um, a lot of people don't.
	And also they turn them into a kind of idol as well.
	I've known, you know, they essentially, if you've got this, if you had Piers Morgan's face on your timeline all day, every day, and it was just Piers Morgan is evil all day, every day, he becomes kind of like the Goldstein, you know, it's like, I, all I think of him in this, whenever he comes up is a political idol that I want to tear down.
	Yeah.
	It's like, okay, he's not that important actually.
	Yeah, you're giving, you're actually giving people too much credit.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's Trump derangement syndrome, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Saying, let's not do whatever this is.
	Morgan derangements.
	Exactly.
	Let's get a more level perspective on the fact that he is an idiot and a human being.
	It's fine.
	There's even another level on top of this.
	And you know, I don't, I don't think he's an idiot because he's not an intelligent person.
	I've seen enough of his posts.
	I don't think he's an unintelligent person, man.
	The thing is, as well, he is influential.
	Probably at least 100 million people know who he is.
	And he's got a voice.
	He's got a daily program.
	He broadcasts in the US.
	He broadcasts in the UK or whatever.
	Why was it even important to have this conversation?
	Because if I can nudge him towards My position and at least open his mind, let him hear the alternative position, which he might not be hearing from anyone else or from anyone else sensible.
	And then he can mull on it.
	And you know, maybe, maybe, maybe he's won't change his view.
	And you don't even necessarily need to convince him.
	It's not about his audience as well.
	The audience, right?
	There's people sitting at home.
	They've never really thought that deeply.
	And if you hadn't showed up, it would just be those two women who just agreed with him on everything.
	And it would honestly, I think just the, the argument against the concept of hate speech is valuable enough in and of itself.
	You know, no, look, it's totally arbitrary.
	It's entirely subjective.
	Yeah.
	This can't be a legal standard.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it's important for people to hear that.
	So, so should we go to some comments?
	Okay.
	There are, there are, I don't know.
	We've got video comments.
	Yes.
	Zuby, Dan, Carl, I humbly submit a correction to Dan.
	He stated that if the UK finally cuts off welfare for the migrants, that they will leave.
	And while many of the economic migrants will leave, many of the hardline Muslims will not.
	They will receive funding from the Saudis, Israelis, the USA, or anyone else who wants England subverted.
	You'll be left with the most extreme militants.
	When your Rome stops paying your vandals, when the mosques exclusively cater to the Muslims on the war path, the UK will not be better for it.
	Muslims do not withdraw from conquered territory.
	So my family comes from Christians of Jakarta, Indonesia.
	And for five generations, we lived in Muslim territory.
	And we stopped bothering to mourn our dead a long time ago.
	Mark my words, there will be no easy future for England.
	Yeah, so let me respond to that.
	So basically what he's picking up on there is we've talked in the past about, you know, the Islamification of Britain and the sort of hard line that it tends to take, and the sort of continual immigration.
	My point is that a lot of this can be, so there are hard problems and there are soft problems, and the soft problems can be solved by something as simple as applying the food standards across the board, so basically effectively outlawing halal meat.
	Uh, and changes to welfare that's turns a net inflow to a net outflow.
	And that's a, that's a soft change that you can do.
	Denmark has already done it, but basically starts to get the problem to reduce rather than increase.
	You're still, I mean, and to his point, you're still going to be left with a hard core of people who had take a very hard line.
	But I would say that's a, that's a separate hard problem, but I don't think it invalidates the point that you want to You want to turn immigration from a net negative to a net positive.
	So nobody's going to protest if you're getting a surgeon from Pakistan or a South Korean electrical engineer or something like that.
	But the problem we've got is just this mass scale of welfare queens.
	Western countries need to learn from the Gulf countries.
	Yeah, they really do.
	It's so funny.
	Western nations need to learn from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and so on, on multiple levels.
	Because they do immigration right.
	They do immigration right.
	And one thing I really admire is that they stand for their values and their culture.
	I think that countries like the UK, Canada, maybe the US to some whatever, I think one of the big problems is like People have forgotten or they've become very shy about what British culture even is.
	Right?
	I think if you were to ask someone, what is British culture?
	Or maybe ask a Canadian, what's Canadian culture?
	And there's, oh, I don't know, multiculturalism.
	Yeah.
	It's like, no, like what are the specific things?
	Like if I spend tons of time in Dubai, I'm a Dubai resident, right?
	I'm in the UAE.
	When I'm there, I'm very aware.
	I'm, I'm, I'm a guest in, uh, I'm a guest in an Islamic country.
	Okay.
	So I have tons of freedom.
	I can practice my religion.
	I can go to church.
	The church I go to there has quite literally about 50 times the congregation of the church I go to in the UK.
	It's all good.
	But everyone there is also aware, okay, look, there are certain things that maybe we could do in the UK or do in the States or whatever.
	So for example, a fat chick from Doncaster can't move out there and then claim welfare?
	There is no welfare.
	They have no welfare.
	If you're there, you're there being productive.
	So everyone, part of the reason why it's so safe, everyone thinks that these countries are safe just because they have harsh punishments for certain crimes.
	That is, that's very secondary.
	It's also because everyone there is there to work.
	Everyone is there to work.
	You must have a job.
	You must or be running a company, right?
	There's no one there who's just milling around, not doing anything.
	And there's no welfare state.
	All of that is so basic.
	And yet it is so far from the point of discussion where we are in the West at the moment.
	Yeah.
	That's why I say, I think, look, they learn from those countries are advancing in the way that they are because they're learning from the West.
	They're taking the good stuff.
	They're quite literally some of the buildings in Dubai that you guys haven't been there.
	Some of the buildings in Dubai from, you know, the Fountain to the Dubai Eye, they literally came to London.
	The Sheik came to London, saw the London Eye, was like, take this and make it bigger.
	The Dubai Eye is just a giant London Eye, right?
	He went to Las Vegas.
	He saw the Bellagio Fountain in Las Vegas.
	It was like, take this and make a bigger one in Dubai, right?
	Like quite literally.
	So they're just like, yeah, let's take that.
	Let's take that.
	No, no, we don't want that.
	Right.
	That's terrible.
	Let's take that.
	Let's implement that.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Like, okay, let's liberalize here.
	Let's no, no, let's, let's stay conservative here.
	Let's liberalize there.
	Let's tweak this.
	Let's tweak that.
	And um, no.
	Um, but if that is the way you are inclined, as long as that's what you do in your private life and whatever, and you're not putting up flags everywhere and screaming in the street and being taught.
	Oh, no, no, no one cares.
	This, this is the thing that people also misunderstand in those places.
	They're like, oh yeah, well, what if you're gay?
	But I'm like, dude, no one cares.
	Just keep that to your, yeah.
	It's not so different to how I understand the UK was in like the 70s and 80s or whatever.
	It's pretty much like that here, actually.
	Just keep that private stuff private.
	As the standard of the West is now, not only must you not keep it in the bedroom, but you must put it in the school.
	Yes.
	Oh no, now it should be in government.
	And the Senate.
	Dude, I remember I was on Regent Street earlier this year and just seeing the pride flags all the way down.
	Yes.
	These giants.
	And I'm just like, this is insane.
	That was like Star Wars Imperial Energy that was.
	Except with rainbow dildos instead of lightsabers.
	It's so odd.
	I'm like, this represents under 5% of the population.
	Why don't you put up something that represents 100% of the population?
	You go to other countries and you see, it's the flag of the nation!
	That's why it looks like a conquest.
	Yeah, it really does.
	It's strange.
	And like I said, I think that's just because people have forgotten.
	Okay.
	Like, what do we stand for?
	Look, you can be welcoming.
	You can be tolerant.
	You can have people from different places or whatever, but you can say, look, These are our, these are our values.
	These are certain hard lines that we do not tolerate, right?
	We tolerate within here.
	We don't tolerate outside here.
	And every nation I believe has their right to do that.
	And we need to say, you know, if the, with what's important to you is smoking weed and eating bacon and drinking beer, you know what?
	Saudi Arabia is not the place for you.
	I do quite like the last two.
	Yeah, but if you like those things and you go there and you're like, okay, while I'm here, I'm just going to respect the fact, you might disagree with it.
	You might be like, you know what?
	I wish I could eat bacon here.
	Fair enough.
	I knew what I was getting into when I came.
	And then it's all good.
	You don't offend anybody.
	No one's mad.
	Everyone just gets on.
	And I think perhaps it's also been maybe just because of the sort of extreme individualism that's kind of been drilled into a lot of young people now is the idea of I think it's been forgotten that tolerance is a two-way street.
	Yeah.
	And that respect... Constant push.
	You know, it's the same like what we were just talking about here, right?
	Like there's a respect and a politeness and just a way that you deal and interact with other people that maybe a lot of people are no longer learning.
	Yeah.
	And look, people are going to have their differences.
	Gosh, there's 8 billion people in the world.
	We believe different things.
	Well, however, we've got some fan mail for you.
	So comments from Thomas Howe, rock up and rumble to find Zuby guesting on the podcast.
	What an excellent early Xmas present.
	Enjoying you slapping around Piers Zub.
	There you go.
	And Russian Garbage Human says, Ruby, great to see Great to see the Lotus Eaters having a female world record holder for weightlifting in the studio.
	Love what you do.
	Enjoy your recent peers appearance very much.
	Won't catch this live, but we'll watch it on the VOD on the way home.
	Excellent.
	Yeah, it's so funny how I just, I'm going to live with that title forever now.
	There are worse things in the modern era.
	Do you still hold the women's?
	I have not checked for a while.
	You're not going to be too beat up if somebody takes it.
	It's okay.
	The point was made.
	I would like to think that I played a key role in opening up, mainstreaming that conversation to the point where it is now.
	Alex says, Biden trying to clean up American morals is the same as Xi Jinping trying to clear up Chinese corruption.
	Take care of the worst offenders so those on the lower down can continue.
	Justin says, Biden isn't wrong.
	Decency, morality, etc.
	are all on the ballot, just not under his name.
	And the thing as well, like everything they accused Trump of, like, didn't do anything like this, man.
	You know, you don't have to like Trump, but he really wasn't that bad.
	No.
	And the stuff he did that people bring up is stuff he did generally before he was president.
	Yeah.
	Or stuff he said before he was president.
	Yeah.
	Oh, grab him by the whatever.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, and it was a private conversation, like tapped or whatever, wasn't it?
	So it's just like, okay.
	As well as a useful hint.
	But it wasn't, it really wasn't that bad compared to what you see under Biden.
	Sam says the guy caught filming gay porn in the Senate was exposed in more ways than one and then blames others for his own mistakes.
	Color me surprised.
	Yes.
	That's actually so crazy that that happened.
	I know.
	Like, I think we've gotten so used to crazy things.
	Yeah.
	That people are just like, Oh yeah, someone did that.
	And like, if you really think about it, it's just like, wait, what?
	Well, the thing is, like what?
	I get people all the time going like, okay, so what do you think is going to happen next year?
	And it's like, mate, I didn't think anything from about 2020 onwards was going to happen.
	Did I think our government should lock us up?
	No.
	Did I think that we'd be like any of these things?
	I sometimes really do wonder if I've been hit by a car when I'm in some sort of weird afterlife, because this just doesn't make sense.
	I log in Twitter and all these Americans are arguing over whether or not it was right for the guy to behead the Baphomet statue that was in the government building.
	I'm like, wait, wait, wait, what?
	Why is there a Satan statue?
	Well, I hate the defenses of this as well.
	It's like, well, they don't really believe in Satan, then they don't really need a statue.
	I'm just like, wait, why is the statue there?
	Like, what have I missed?
	It's basically a giant troll, right?
	It's basically the whole, like, Church of Satan thing.
	It's basically a giant troll.
	They're all like, oh, we're atheists.
	We just want freedom of religion.
	It's like, you're not religious.
	You don't have a religion, so you can't have the freedom of religion.
	All of these arguments, and I say this as an atheist, are total nonsense and shouldn't be tolerated.
	They're not religious.
	They don't have a god.
	They don't have a statue.
	Freedom of religion doesn't apply to them.
	Don't let them have the Baphomet statue.
	End of story.
	Anyway, a couple more before we end.
	Nick says, so I'm an engineer, and the engineer in me is super excited about the robot technology.
	However, the human in me is worried.
	I think iRobot, Terminator, Jurassic Park, etc.
	To quote Jeff Goldblum, you know, you were so worried whether or not you could, you never stopped to ask whether you should.
	And that, honestly, is genuinely what I'm scared of when it comes to, not just AI, but the robotics as well.
	Because when they get linked up together, it's like, right now... Because there's one thing about AI being depersonified, right?
	It's like, the AI can have all the thoughts it wants, but as long as it doesn't have any access to physical reality and can change things, I actually don't care how much it hates human beings, which it may well end up doing.
	But now it's like, right, we're going to link it up with, you know... Different intelligence that can learn.
	They can also move around and give it a body.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	When it's embodied, it becomes a much more concerning prospect.
	Someone online says they hate Elon Musk for the same reason they hate Trump, because he's not in their club and they can't control him.
	I think that's about right.
	Grant Gibson says, Zuby, as a parent, I give you permission to be judgmental.
	A parent who puts their kid on the phone, the minute they sit down at a restaurant, there's a dereliction of duty and you can judge them accordingly.
	Yeah.
	There are loads of other comments that are just thrilled that you're here, by the way.
	Oh, awesome.
	Like, ZubyMyMan, it's always nice seeing you pop up in places and stuff like that, so I'm going to skip a load of those.
	That's dope.
	I appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you.
	But, quick thing.
	So, on Elon Musk, what was he like before and after the MTA?
	Kind, polite, humble, down to earth, friendly.
	He just seems like one of us.
	And I don't want to be like, oh look, he's our guy or something, but like, he just seems like a totally normal dude.
	It's interesting, you know, in the past five years or so, it's been quite a wild ride.
	I mean, the number of famous, prominent, whatever people that I've met across the world at this point, whether it's Elon or it's, you know, I've met Tucker like, I don't know, four times or it's Candace Owens or it's Andrew Tate or it's Ben Shapiro or it's yourself or it's four times or it's Candace Owens or it's Andrew Tate or I always...
	Oh, I'm nowhere near that level.
	It's Joe Rogan, right?
	I'll tell you, the three people I always get asked about are Andrew Tate, Elon Musk, and Joe Rogan.
	I always get asked, what are they like?
	And Ben Shapiro as well, actually.
	I always get asked, what are they like in real life?
	What are they like?
	And my honest answer is quite boring.
	Yeah, they were great, friendly, polite, humble.
	Like if you didn't know who they were and how prominent they were or famous or influential or wealthy or whatever it is, you would just think that they're a normal person.
	And thankfully, I've had people who've met me said the same thing.
	I don't know.
	I've had people meet me in there.
	Zuby and they're like expecting, I don't know, like they're sort of expecting you to do like some crazy thing and they're like, oh, like you're just a normal person.
	And I'm like, yeah.
	As opposed to what?
	I mean, I think they think you're going to be like some sort of like hyper egotistical rockstar.
	Maybe so.
	Right.
	And like I've met loads of people and most people are just really nice.
	Exactly.
	It's not very exciting.
	But the last question I want to ask is just how short is Ben Shapiro?
	Not that short.
	Ben's about 5'8".
	Right.
	Okay.
	He's really not that short.
	He's, he's, he's like average male height globally.
	Right.
	Okay.
	That's interesting.
	Cause like, he looks like he's really short.
	No, he's not.
	It's funny.
	He's literally, he's like, he's like 5'8".
	I have no idea!
	And I was thinking, right, he's got to be about 5'6".
	Maybe he just has a penchant for hiring really tall bodyguards.
	Cause that's all you see him looking short, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	He's shorter than the other Daily Wire guys.
	Right.
	But they're pretty tall.
	Matt Walsh is like 6'2", though.
	I've met Michael Knowles.
	He was my height.
	5'9", so he's not, like... No, no, not towering over.
	Um, you know... Yeah, um... We're not... I was just curious about that.
	Yeah.
	I've always wanted to know.
	Actually, guys, before we run out of time, let's just point out that Zuby has a Twitter, which you can follow at Zuby Music, and he's also got... Hang on.
	There we... Oh, no.
	John, you do it.
	There we go.
	He's got these things.
	Yeah, lots of links.
	TeamZoobie.com if you want to support TeamZoobie.com.
	OnlyFans.
	No OnlyFans.
	Although they have tried to recruit me a couple years ago.
	A couple years ago they directly reached out.
	There is apparently a big thing of people doing OnlyFans and just doing normal stuff with it.
	Dude, that's how it started.
	Yeah, right.
	OnlyFans wasn't supposed to become what it's become.
	It was just like a Patreon thing.
	It's just a tolerated pornography and there you go.
	Exactly.
	So you give an inch and you know you end up with that.
	Twitch is going down the same road.
	Okay.
	So Zuby has everything but an OnlyFans and you can follow him at... Zuby Music.
	Zuby Music.
	There we go.
	Zuby Music on everything.
	And check out my actual music because I know so many people who follow me have never actually listened to my music so if you're in that basket then yeah actually check out my music.

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