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	Good afternoon, folks.
	Welcome to the podcast.
	Let's see this for Monday, the 27th of November, 2023.
	I'm joined by Dan and Harry Miller from Faircop.
	And we are going to be discussing how Conor McGregor became far right.
	Um, what is going on with the British police, which.
	And Dan has some advice for Zoomers.
	Yes, look out for that.
	Which I think is going to be very entertaining at the very least.
	All right, so I thought we'd talk about how Conor McGregor became a far-right icon.
	Because of course he is far right now.
	Aren't we all?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, everybody is far right at this point, isn't it?
	Unless you've got an active guardian subscription.
	I mean, we could literally go through our list.
	We've got JK Rowling.
	Yes.
	Literally, literally the most left wing woman on my timeline.
	Yes.
	He's also far right.
	We've got, I mean, literally everyone, Conor McGregor.
	We've got any sports star who isn't entirely on board with the progressive agenda.
	Yeah.
	Just far right.
	I'll tell you who never gets accused of being far-right.
	Anyone in the Tory party.
	Well, I mean, that's not true.
	I do see lots of leftists saying the Tory party are literally fascists and Swell Braveman is the new Enoch Powell.
	Well, and then she got sacked.
	Yeah, and then she got sacked.
	But anyway, so let's begin with what happened.
	Of course, the stabbing in Dublin Uh, from an Algerian immigrant who stabbed three children to adults.
	I believe they all survived, uh, which is good, but of course this was a deeply shocking thing for the Irish people because this is not the first time this has happened.
	Uh, this was just the worst it seems that's happened.
	And so in the last year, uh, sorry, the last 12 months up until April this year, you know, Ireland received 141,000 immigrants.
	Ireland's got like 6 million people in it.
	That's a lot.
	The Republic of Ireland, 141,000 immigrants.
	So that's a massive... Well, we get about a million a year, but then we've got a population of about 80 million.
	Yeah, but that's massive.
	I mean, it's still colossal, but like for a small place like Ireland, 141,000 people is staggering.
	So 14% of the Republic, sorry, the Republic's 5.2 million population are now non-Irish citizens.
	Staggering.
	So the island is basically the speed running, the English experience of immigration.
	Yep.
	Hit the ground running and then it's like, right.
	We seem to cram as many people into Ireland as possible.
	Um, of course, polls in Ireland suggest that 75% of people think this may be too many.
	Oh yeah, but I mean, what do they care about what the people think?
	Right, exactly.
	And so one of the things that the Daily Mail mentions in here is that, in a bitter irony, the chap who stopped the Algerian attacker and used his children was himself an immigrant.
	So they're like, well, I mean, what does this mean?
	This Brazilian-born...
	Well, they have a one-in-six chance at this point.
	Well, exactly.
	Yeah, and it's more concentrated in certain areas like Dublin.
	So it's going to be a much higher chance.
	But Keo Benicio, 43, was making a delivery when he witnessed the bloodbath jumping off his moped and battering the knife-wielding ascendant to the ground with his helmet.
	What a hero, right?
	But he said the anti-migrant anger which erupted hours later in the riots doesn't make sense because I'm an immigrant myself and I'm the one who helped out.
	It's like, well, it does make perfect sense actually.
	It does.
	Because it turns out that immigrants from Brazil are different, Christian, Catholic country, European, are different from North African Muslim migrants.
	Immigrant is not just A description that can be applied to any person, because actually, you're given a very, very small amount of information about a person, if you were to just call them an immigrant.
	That's exactly it.
	It's like the lie of Black History Month.
	Which Black History Month are we talking about?
	Because the way you talk about it, it's as though there is one history, as though people from Somalia have got the same history as those from Egypt, who've got the same history as those who are Aboriginal, for instance.
	It is itself deeply, deeply racist.
	And I think that it's done that way Not so that we become more accepting of difference, but so that the difference is put to us much more starkly, so that we then react to it.
	It's more of a cudgel, really, isn't it?
	Yes, it is.
	It's a cudgel.
	It's a cudgel.
	But it's turning everything into an us and them situation.
	Now, the inevitability about Having an us and them situation is that there will be kickback.
	There's this thing called compensating feedback.
	They push against us, and we push back even more forcefully than they pushed against us, which then creates a cycle of escalation.
	And that's what's going on.
	And I don't know why they want it, but they clearly do want it.
	They want to set them against us.
	Whoever them is, and whoever the us is, They are looking for some kind of race war.
	They're looking for some kind of sex war.
	It's like a queer theory war.
	Well the Ones was fighting amongst ourselves rather than looking in their direction.
	Yeah, yeah, I think there's that, but I think there are real dangerous elements who want to complete what Charles Manson attempted to kick off with his kaleidoscope thing with the murders of Sharon Tate out in Hollywood in the 1960s.
	I have no idea, but I feel like we're slightly getting off topic.
	Well, it's not really, because what Charles Manson wanted to do, he committed these brutal killings of Sharon Tate up in the Hollywood Hills, you'll have seen the great Tarantino film, and what he wanted to do was to blame it on the blacks, on the black community, and thereby create a reaction from the white community so that you ended up with this kaleidoscope Of all-out racial warfare.
	And I think that's what's happening now.
	We have politicians, we have powers, we have people in the police who want to finish off what Charles Manson started.
	They want to create a kaleidoscope, and I think it's a horror show.
	I actually don't agree.
	I don't think that they actually want a race war.
	What they want is to be the managerial regime of mankind.
	To have a group of people who are separate and distinct from the rest of mankind is a repudiation of that.
	So if we're the international global ruling class, you can't really have the president of the Irish.
	And so that's the problem.
	So that's why Ireland needs diversity.
	That's why Leo Varadkar is like, no, we need to Reduce the number of white people in Ireland.
	We need to increase the number of diversity because this then homogenizes it into the global order rather than keeping it separate in particular.
	But we'll come back to this in a second.
	So as the hero said, well look I'm an immigrant so why is everyone so angry about migrants?
	It's of course because migrants are different in other places.
	The person who did the stabbing for example is an immigrant.
	He was from Algeria and he was arrested earlier this year for possession of a knife.
	Uh, he also faced previously faced deportation, but eventually received Irish citizenship a decade ago.
	So he clearly had some kind of history in which the authorities are like, wow, this guy might actually be a bit dangerous.
	Uh, maybe we should deport him.
	And instead they're like, yeah, but also why don't we just give him Irish citizenship?
	So he can't be deported.
	Um, he was taken to court over the knife incident in May.
	The Daily Mail understands that he was not convicted due to issues over his mental health.
	He was under police guard in hospital.
	So let's talk about mental health for a second.
	There's a particular kind of way that the liberal state, the liberal order, views itself as operating.
	And it tends to pathologize things that are not liberal as mental health issues.
	As they say here, one source says that it's a real possibility that stabbing is related to a mental health episode.
	And it could be that he has genuinely unhinged.
	But the thing is, we're seeing quite a lot of these attacks.
	And we know from our experience in Britain that actually what is considered to be mental health is often a product of coming from a particular intellectual tradition that results in terror attacks.
	Yeah, and you can dismiss that as a mental health issue if you like, but that does not reduce the fact that it's also a terrorist attack.
	Just because you're mental or insane doesn't mean that you're not guilty.
	There's a form of psychopathy which is criminally, you know, you're criminally mad but you're also Fully responsible for your actions.
	So I think slapping the mental illness tag on it, I don't care.
	Yeah, well what they're trying to do is medicalise someone coming from a different paradigm, right?
	This person believes things that the liberal state doesn't believe and so all it can do is call those people insane.
	We'll get back to that in a minute as well, right?
	Um, and of course the police have decided to take no responsibility and the authorities have taken no responsibility for the attack.
	Uh, they deny that the scenes were proof of proof of failure of policing and insisted that we could not have anticipated that in response to a terrible crime, uh, that this, the riots would be the response.
	I was like, right.
	Why not?
	It seems eminently predictable if you allow a bunch of Muslim migrants over and some of them, or a very small number of them, do terrible things, that the people already living there will actually be like, well, hang on a second.
	Why are they here?
	Why are they allowed to do this?
	Well, that's form of madness, isn't it?
	When you keep repeating the same thing and expecting a different outcome, that's the classic definition of madness.
	So how the police could possibly look at what's happened the world over and not have expected some form of reaction, some form of backlash?
	That's a form of insanity, or because it's the belief.
	I don't think they are insane.
	I think what it is, it's willful negligence because they've picked a side.
	I think it's wishful thinking.
	I think that's really what it comes down to.
	Anyway, so we'll move on to Some unknown up-and-coming MMA fighter called Conor McGregor, who just happens to have 10 million followers on Twitter, and he points out that of course the police are going to blame anyone but themselves.
	I like this.
	Zero action.
	Everything from our lax borders with gravy train benefits to our pitiful mental health services to our country in flames is on your watch and still no plan of action.
	Where is our plan of action?
	What are we going to do to do to ensure that this stops happening?
	How are you going to ensure that this ceases to continue in our country?
	Ireland is fed up of you and your type.
	We are not stopping here until real change is implemented.
	We need safety.
	We need security.
	We need leadership.
	We have none of the three.
	Shame on you and your type.
	And so when he says your type, he's talking about the metropolitan liberal elite.
	Yeah, I thought so, yeah.
	Because at first glance you think, is he talking about the immigrants?
	But no, he's talking about the ruling elite, isn't he?
	He is, absolutely.
	And he is right that they blame everyone but themselves, because as far as they're concerned, they've arrived at the correct position on governance, on morality.
	We are the ones who have got this right, and now it is the people who are being governed that are the problem.
	And this is why they must be moulded into the new man.
	And anything that doesn't fit has to be explained away as mental illness or an aberration.
	Exactly, exactly.
	Now, Conor has been really on this, and this has been wonderful to see, and this is a particularly good one.
	Can I just ask, what was his politics?
	Because I had no idea what his politics was.
	Turns out, far right.
	Well, this is the only thing I've seen of his politics.
	I've just never heard him speak on anything like this before.
	But he's a patriotic Irishman, which is far right.
	One of the most horrific crimes this nation has ever seen has occurred.
	We do not care anymore what you sad cases have got to say.
	In a war, you are nothing.
	We are not backing down.
	We are only warming up.
	There is no backing down until real change is implemented for the safety of our nation.
	We are not losing any more of our women and children, sick, twisted people who should not even be in Ireland in the first place.
	That's a pretty far right statement.
	Now, that's not a rationalistic statement.
	That's not the statement of a universal liberal world controller who's going to try and make sure that each group of people are managed down to the most atomized individual.
	That's to say the Irish, who are the possessors of Ireland, deserve safety and security in their native land.
	The only thing I'd add to that is one of the most horrific crimes this nation has ever occurred so far.
	There is always that.
	The examples of Sweden, for example, will tell you that once this starts happening, it starts happening again.
	Oh yeah.
	And again.
	He starts then tweeting like a politician.
	As you can see, he's like, well, I don't condone the riots.
	I don't condone attacks on the first responders or anything like that.
	I do understand the frustrations, however, and of course, changes need to be made.
	In the last month, innocent children stabbed leaving school.
	Aisling Murphy murdered.
	Two Sligo men decapitated.
	This is not Ireland's future.
	If they do not act soon with a plan of action to ensure Ireland's safety, I will.
	Which is very interesting, because it kind of implies he's going to have some sort of run of the presidency or prime ministership, whatever they have in Ireland, however they describe it.
	And okay, well, that would be interesting.
	Like I said, I don't know anything about his politics.
	going just on what he said in the past couple of days, it would seem that he's really far right, which means that he's parochially Irish.
	That's what he's saying.
	But of course, far right today means basically what everybody thought in the 1990s.
	Yeah, no, no, it absolutely does.
	Conor McGregor believes he belongs to a people who come from a place, who have a particular kind of culture, and that deserves to go on into the future.
	That's Conor McGregor's position, which seems totally reasonable to me, an accurate representation of reality.
	But of course, this is the opposite of the Prime Minister of Ireland.
	He obviously goes on about the looting as well, which he disapproves of, of course.
	But this is the thing I find most interesting.
	You've got Leo Wadikar here, who speaks about Emily Hand, who is an Israeli-Irish citizen who was captured by Hamas.
	God only knows what happened to her in the custody of Hamas, but was also let free in a prisoner exchange.
	And Wadikar frames it, an innocent child who has been lost has now been found and returned.
	Yeah, a bit monstrous.
	It is.
	Trying to be generous, I wonder whether he was mishandling a famous Catholic sort of trope of lost and found.
	But still, he's not a priest, he's a politician.
	And you would think that he would Give the full weight of an innocent child being kidnapped by a terrorist organization, you would think that he would choose language that reflected that, rather than, you know, a little bit like, Lassie, come home, we've lost our dog, we've lost our kid, whoops, great, they're back again.
	You can see how it might be interpreted quite badly.
	But the problem with this kind of emotive, judgmental human language is that it stigmatizes one side of the conversation and if you're the liberal world controller you are responsible for all of these groups so he feels as much obligation to Hamas as he does to the Israelis and if anything he might be looking at other power differentials and saying oh maybe I'm not saying he does support Hamas but like
	It makes him want to be less judgmental about either side and that's why he'll use language that makes it sound like no crime or terror attacks.
	And also it's a very possible outcome of the current Gaza conflict is that they all end up getting sent to Europe.
	That is also possible.
	They don't want to be on record saying anything that is going to make their life more difficult when they announce that 18 months down the road.
	Yeah, but as you can see, Conor McGregor is just absolutely handing it to him here.
	He's not having it.
	He is absolutely not having it.
	But the thing is, I've said this before I think on your show, the beginning of wisdom is to call a thing by its proper name.
	It's an ancient Chinese proverb.
	And Conor McGregor is absolutely right.
	She was abducted by an evil terrorist organization.
	That is the bottom line.
	That is the truth.
	And then he turns on the state It's clearly the state that he's talking to.
	He says, what are you going to do to protect us?
	He's not addressing the immigrants.
	He's addressing the state.
	Well, the number one obligation of any state is to protect its people.
	That is the number one obligation.
	So if you can't do that, then you're not fit to govern.
	But the problem is that you have a constituency in mind for the Irish state to govern, which is the Irish.
	There, Leo Varadkar's constituency is not just the Irish.
	It is also the millions of immigrants who have come in who are given equal weight in importance, in fact often more weight in importance, than the Irish citizens.
	Because Conor has a parochial view of, I'm an Irishman, I believe the Irish state is for the Irish, and in these crazy far-right positions, but Leo Varadkar doesn't agree with that.
	He believes that the Irish state is for all of the foreigners around the world.
	Yeah, so they're just as important.
	And so this is something that we've spoken about at length here, which is this is a consequence of liberal ideology.
	Now, liberal ideology is a rational way of looking at the world rather than a sentimental way of looking at the world.
	If you compare that to the way that Conor's talking, Conor is talking in a very sentimentalistic way.
	He's not saying, well, listen, we can sit down and come to a reasonable accord and we'll sit there and discuss all the problems.
	No, he's being very emotional and saying that we have to do something to save lives in the future.
	Liberalism doesn't approach the world in this way.
	It has a desire to reductively categorize people.
	Which is why you've got just the catch all term immigrant that is supposed to at once can literally contain Brazilian heroes and Algerian murderers.
	Yeah.
	That's why, but, but as an individual, as a very broad category, yes, they are technically immigrants.
	So that's a box checked on that.
	And so the point of all of this is to individualize people and Irreducibly, reduce them to the single atom that is the individual.
	That's the person that had been taken out of any context in which they lived, because liberalism conceives of the world in this way.
	It believes that all humans were once atomized and wandering around the woods on their own, which is of course not true.
	And so the purpose of liberalism, and this is what it's always been about, is to liberate them from the belonging, which are the connections that they have to their own lands, people and traditions.
	That's all liberalism has ever tried to do.
	And it can't do anything else.
	It is the breaker of bonds.
	It is the liberator of people from other people.
	And so this is why liberalism turns into a universal acid.
	Go and watch all of this content that we've got on LotusEast.com, £5 a month.
	We've done absolutely loads because, and this is why I know this so well, it's the universal acid.
	So anything, say your obligation to your parents, your obligation to your local community, if those obligations override your personal autonomy, then it's the obligation that has to be broken, not your personal autonomy.
	That's what liberalism is trying to achieve, and that's what Vadikar is in his heart.
	We've been debating this extensively as well.
	This is part three of the debate on it.
	It's been quite intense.
	And so this is how we arrived at this, which I tweeted out and did very well.
	If this makes you angry, then you are far right.
	That's totally true.
	Because being angry has a few components.
	There's the person who was hurt, the person who's witnessing it, and the target of the anger.
	Someone has to be a representative of a constituency with which you are angry.
	This is why every single time in Britain, we get, don't look back in anger.
	Oh, there's a terror attack.
	20 kids got blown up.
	Don't look back in anger because that way you're not Morally, making a judgment about an entire group of people.
	No, we've got the guy, he's been arrested.
	Therefore, the problem is solved.
	But of course, that's not the end of the problem.
	That's trying to isolate it in time and space to this one guy.
	But actually, everyone knows now that that is on top of a pyramid of events, of groups, of peoples, of traditions, of strange things that we don't understand that have been brought here.
	And the police just think, okay, if we just arrest the guy there, then that's the problem solved.
	No, this rests on foundations that go a long, long way back.
	And isn't it noticeable that nobody was suggesting that Israel go through a Don't Look Back In Anger concert?
	Yes, the Israelis are allowed to... Well, they were allowed raving ethno-nationalism.
	Yeah, they're allowed to recognize that there are groups of people and people as representatives of groups of people are morally culpable for what is done by that group.
	And so that's what being far-right is, right?
	Being far-right is to feel that you belong to a people and feel that other people belong to a people and that you can make judgments about each other.
	The liberal state can't have that.
	That undermines and that destroys all of it.
	But the problem that it has is almost everyone on earth is far right by this standard.
	Of course, everyone in every country thinks, well, of course I belong to this people or that people.
	And I have a pride in myself based on that.
	I'm aware that I, as an Algerian, or I, as an Egyptian, or I, as a Brazilian, or whatever, come from a culture and have been moulded in a certain way, and therefore people will make judgements about me, and I will make judgements about them, and this is what... It's utterly unquestioned in the rest of the world.
	It's totally normal.
	It's just absolute bedrock.
	Yeah.
	But to the liberal state, that's far right ideology.
	Uh, which it is not, but we'll get into that.
	So as you can see from the BBC reports, and I think this is important.
	The Republic of Ireland's police chief has blamed the rioting in Dublin city centre on lunatic hooligan faction driven by far right ideology.
	So already the people who are just living in the sort of felt experience of what it is to be an Irishman to feel collectively under attack.
	Lunatics.
	Already they're being pathologized, medicalized.
	The liberal state cannot understand them.
	These guys are just crazy.
	It's like, they're not crazy.
	That's totally normal, right?
	Because what they're saying is, if this group of people are allowed to remain, future people from our group will be murdered by them.
	Which is entirely possible.
	And so you would say, right, so a collective action needs to be taken against the group, that particular group, in order to prevent future actions.
	But of course, the liberal state lives only in the now.
	And so it's like, no, we've got the guy.
	There's literally no further problems and there's nothing more that can be done.
	But that's not how the rest of the world sees this.
	And if anyone's got a sense of themselves as a people, it's definitely the Irish.
	If anyone's got it right, it's definitely the opposition.
	And the Liberal state doesn't brook any opposition from this agenda at all?
	Zero.
	This agenda... You cannot vote your way out of this.
	Well, you could vote your way out, which wouldn't be liberal, right?
	You can have an illegitimate... Well, I mean, in this country, people have consistently voted for the most hardline anti-immigration option on the menu for about the last 30 or 40 years.
	Yeah, but the Conservatives... On every occasion.
	Well, both of them, yeah.
	But yeah, it's not like you can vote your way.
	And even if there was an alternative that arose, they would basically be shut out of the political system, as they are.
	But that's not actually a function of voting.
	That's actually a function of the kind of liberal apparatus that operates around democracy.
	Like, you could vote for just a far-right party, and a far-right party would be like, okay, we're just going to deport all these people.
	That's totally plausible.
	There's nothing stopping it.
	Well, well, having been for a short while the chairman of the political party, the reclaimed party, I can tell you there are some huge obstacles to get through.
	For instance, as Nigel Farage found out, just simply getting a bank, just being able to operate as an alternative party, there are obstacles after obstacles.
	But my point is, it's not about the mechanism of democracy that is the problem, it's the apparatus around the democracy.
	that fortifies itself the liberal state around preventing non-liberal incursion.
	Yeah, what the issue is really.
	But my point is simple, for whatever reason, voting doesn't seem to be a way out of this, and that has not been in people's experience.
	And therefore, when anger reaches a crucial point, it's got nowhere to go but out in this mechanism.
	Yes, that's completely true.
	And yeah, it's the sort of lock that liberalism has on the state.
	I wouldn't refuse it.
	I think I would say that liberalism is the way you and I are talking about it right now.
	As close to fulfilling the definition of evil as I can think.
	And I say that advisedly, because I think that anything which runs contrary to our human nature is, by definition, evil.
	When a system tries to knock out the humanity of a people, knock out their character, knock out what humans have done for millennia, and replace it with a new liberal type of program, That is, as far as I'm concerned, the definition of evil.
	Now, on the one hand, that's why it will fail.
	That's why communism has repeatedly failed, because it tried to get rid of the human.
	In the name of utilitarianism.
	And it's why this current thing will fail.
	The trouble is, we're in it right now.
	And it's very difficult to know whether we're in a six year war, a ten year war, or a hundred years.
	A hundred years.
	A hundred years war.
	That is the problem.
	My issue with that is, it's absolutely knackering fighting.
	And if you're part of the trenches in that first sort of ten years of a hundred year war, It feels as though all you've got to look forward to is more and more despair.
	That's because that is literally all you have.
	That's why I think you have to be optimistic and look at the grander arc of history and go, you know what, we do win because human nature does not, you cannot graft this onto human nature.
	I totally agree.
	This is just a suppression of it.
	But the point, I just want to Pull this out.
	So, lunatic far-right ideology, right?
	So, lunatic, we've just covered.
	Far-right being non-liberal, right?
	That's what this means.
	The reason they call this as far-right as you can go, if they thought they were Nazis, they'd say Nazis, right?
	If they thought they were fascists, they'd say fascists.
	They don't have a good way of characterizing what these people believe.
	Because these people, and as they say at the end, ideology, these people aren't operating on an ideology.
	An ideology is a rational set of beliefs that are constructed Apriori, before contact with the world.
	So you get this set of beliefs that you logically slot together, and then you draw conclusions from these premises, and then you act upon these conclusions.
	That's what an ideology is.
	It's just like the seizure of power, right?
	That's not what's happening here.
	Because they literally don't have a name for it.
	Every ideology names itself, you know, we are this ism, right?
	But these people don't have a name for themselves because what this is is just the felt reality of the Irish people, right?
	This is a kind of animating spirit of human nature rather than any kind of ideology.
	And this is why they're having such problems just even identifying who is even protesting.
	Oh, far-right ideology.
	What does that mean?
	You don't have one.
	You don't know what you're talking about.
	But anyway, so what's the Liberal State's response to people like Conor McGregor?
	Well, it's a hate crime bill.
	Obviously.
	I really did another one of them.
	Well, the only how these are popping up simultaneously across the Western world.
	Well, exactly.
	And it's all because it's the international liberal order that is doing this.
	I mean, this is the only way they know how to deal with these people, because these people have opinions which And not liberal.
	And so they can't be tolerated.
	They characterize groups of people which the liberal state can't have.
	And so, I mean, just a quick thing from this, just a quick extract.
	We bear responsibility as legislators to do our utmost to provide for a safe, fair and inclusive country for all, reflecting our modern Ireland.
	So this is the new plantation of Ireland.
	So a bunch of foreigners have been brought in and no, no, no, they are going to get increased amount of importance than the existing Irish people.
	So the existing Irish.
	Even the newest immigrant is as most important as the oldest Irish family in this rendering.
	Right.
	And they say a hate crime is some hate crime happens when someone commits an offense because they have hatred of a person with a particular personal characteristic.
	Somehow this was a normal crime.
	You've murdered someone.
	Okay.
	But you better not have been erased about it.
	Right.
	And when you go through the actual text of it, um, This shows like if they will literally be able to go through your phone and arrest you for the memes that you have there, if they think it's likely to incite hatred or violence against the person on account of their protected characteristics.
	And so you get people spectator who are like, hang on a second.
	Even if you don't show it to anybody, if you just have a meme on your phone.
	Even if it's totally private, it can be done, uh, not in Britain, it's the malicious communications that we did the online communications.
	So in Britain, you have to have shown it to someone else and you have to have sent it via a public messaging service.
	So if I said to you something hateful about having a white beard or something that actually wouldn't necessarily be, I mean, they probably will.
	But like just saying something isn't sufficient often, right?
	But in this, it absolutely will be, right?
	It absolutely will be.
	But also you don't have to say it to anyone.
	It can literally just be on your phone.
	And so you get people at the spectator who are like, um, that's a concern because that's five years in jail, right?
	That's worse than a lot of rapists will get.
	And do, yeah.
	Unless, of course, a rapist rapes somebody with a bit of hatred in their heart.
	Well, yeah.
	God forbid that they rape someone with hatred in their heart.
	That would just be ignored, though, won't it?
	If you say, I'm doing this because you're a dirty kaffar, then that would just get stricken from the record.
	Yeah.
	But the point is, and I realize I'm going a lot long on this segment, but this I think is important.
	The definition of hate is not actually well defined.
	The current justice minister blithely dismissed any objections or criticism saying, quote, we all have an understanding of what hatred means.
	No, we don't.
	Well, we do.
	Well, we do.
	We do.
	But what they do, if you look at the definition of hate, it includes ill will, ill feeling, dislike.
	How can it be dislike?
	How can you say that hate, hate as something that needs to be criminalized, can include dislike in there?
	But worse than that, it also includes antagonism.
	And this is the important thing.
	OK, antagonism.
	So if you are antagonistic towards an idea, That is prima facie evidence that you are hateful, not only towards the idea, but towards the people who have embraced that idea.
	And that then becomes the reason for the state, via the police and the courts, to persecute you.
	Now, I say that this is entirely undemocratic for one thing.
	It is most definitely un-British and un-Irish.
	Because if you think about antagonism, Our entire justice system is based upon antagonism.
	We don't sit around like the French doing a little fact find and working out who's right and who's wrong and who's guilty and who's not.
	It's literally adversarial.
	It's literally adversarial.
	We've got those who are saying he did it, we've got those who are saying no he didn't do it.
	Both get your strongest argument.
	Absolutely, yeah.
	Strongest one wins.
	First past the post.
	Boom.
	It's entirely antagonistic.
	If you think about our democracy as well.
	Entirely antagonistic.
	In the House of Commons, we've got the government benches and we've got the opposition benches.
	And they are two sword lengths apart.
	Why?
	Because the natural reaction of enemies is to scrap and fight and stab one another.
	That is our first nature.
	That's our first nature.
	Now, what the wise people building Parliament did, they go, we can't eradicate people's nature.
	What we can do is mitigate it.
	We can't drive out the hatred that there is in the hearts of these politicians, because that would be anti-human.
	What we can do, we can risk manage it.
	And so what we will do, we will have a Speaker sitting up there on his sack, shouting, order, order.
	We'll make sure there's no weapons in the place.
	And just in case, we're going to have you two sword lengths apart, just in case that natural hatred, that human emotion of hate, spills over.
	So hate is managed in a mature society.
	It's not criminalised.
	But I would say, actually, I think Karl has laid out quite a good definition of hate during this segment, which is basically the liberal... We can't do it from our perspective, but they can do it very easily from their perspective.
	They simply say, OK, we're the liberal elite.
	Do we agree with this?
	No, therefore it's hate.
	Yes.
	So from their perspective, it's actually incredibly simple.
	From their perspective, hatred is the negative characterizing of a group.
	Any group that can be characterized, if it's done in a negative fashion, that's hate.
	So it's a very, very, very easy trip by to Warcross.
	But just to finish this off, because it's been going on long.
	So what does the Liberal state do about a far-right, patriotic Irishman like Conor McGregor?
	Well, it creates its hate crime bills and then investigates them.
	McGregor's posts are being assessed by the Gardai, the Irish police, as part of an inquiry into the dissemination of online hate speech.
	The Assistant Garda Commissioner, Justice Justin Kelly, is doing that.
	And so he's going to be persecuted by the state because he is a person who lives in the real world.
	So let's talk about what the police are doing.
	Well, where do we start?
	That's a good one, isn't it?
	Transgender police officer who branded free speech campaigner a woman beater and Nazi.
	That would be me!
	That would be... I'm the person who was targeted by this police officer.
	That literally was you, was it?
	That was literally me.
	This is literally, literally me.
	I came across this officer called Lindsay Watson, who's... well, I don't know where the post office is, but they define themselves as a trans woman officer.
	They've got an interesting background, Lindsay Watson.
	Lindsay Watson was originally, I think, in the British Transport Police in the 1990s.
	Right.
	And back then he was called, I can't remember what his name was, a proper bloke's name.
	Alex Hall, whose name was Alex Hall, that's right.
	And then one day he just announced that he was changing to be a woman.
	As you can do these days.
	At the time, I think it was, he decided, no you're not doing that mate, you're a bloke.
	When was this?
	This was in the 1990s.
	So he got booted out and he sued them and he lost.
	He then attempted to, I think he got a GRC or what have you, he then attempted to become a midwife, but didn't actually tell the midwifery people that he actually was a bloke.
	So that didn't go down well either, and I think he may have sued them as well, I can't quite remember.
	Then we're not quite sure what happened to him, but then he ended up in North Yorkshire Police as an officer there.
	And he caused so much trouble that he was relocated to the outpost of Skipton, where I'm told that he would regularly grab any officer by the scruff of their neck and threaten them with gender diversity laws if they raised an eyebrow at his manliness in a set of female stilettos.
	Very ladylike behaviour.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because it's very feminine behaviour to grab people by the neck.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Apparently he terrorized everybody, absolutely terrorized everybody, to the extent that female officers refused to go into the female loos.
	They would just hang on because this Lindsay Watson might be in there, okay?
	And that was it.
	Anyway, from North Yorkshire, he then ended up in Leicestershire.
	I don't know how, but he ended up in Leicestershire.
	What he did there, we don't know.
	But in February 2022, I noticed that there was a Twitter account called AtWatsonLindsay, who claimed to be a police officer, who was tweeting that the LGB Alliance were a terrorist organisation.
	Now, I don't know if you know Bev and Kate from the LGB Alliance, but there is far from... Bev and Kate, average terrorists.
	Yeah, there is far from sort of the Baader-Meinhof gang as it's humanly possible to be.
	So I thought it was a little bit off, a police officer labelling the LGB Alliance terrorists, so I wrote to Leicestershire Police.
	I picked Leicestershire because at the time, this Lindsay Watson character, they said they were a police officer, they didn't say where, but on their LinkedIn profile it showed them living within the Leicester constituency.
	So I thought, I know, I'll try West Yorkshire.
	Sorry, I'll try the West Midlands, I'll try Nottinghamshire, and I'll try Leicestershire.
	So I wrote a tweet once saying, is this your officer?
	West Midlands and Nottinghamshire came back within 12 hours saying, absolutely not one of ours.
	It took Leicestershire five weeks to work out that it was their officer.
	Five weeks.
	And they sent me excuses like, the computer's gone down.
	Seriously, they said that.
	We can't tell you because of operational issues.
	Inquiries are ongoing.
	Then five weeks later... That's a good one.
	operational issues you mean you're idiots yeah five weeks later they finally said yes PC Lindsay Watson she is one of ours she is one of ours now I know the way policing works the second you start typing in the name Lindsay Watson every single possibility pops up okay so they would have known within within five or six key strikes I mean, it's literally a database.
	It's literally a database.
	That's exactly what it is.
	He took them five.
	If they turned around to me and said, Harry, we're simply not telling you because we think you're a bit of a twat.
	Um, then I'd have respected that far more than this.
	Uh, sorry, computer's not working.
	Like, like we're idiots.
	Yeah.
	We're idiots.
	Anyway, so I put in this complaint against this officer, and then obviously they realised that I had complained on behalf of the LGB Alliance.
	And that's when it started.
	That's when it started.
	A campaign of approximately, well, I collected 1,200 direct tweets at me.
	1,200!
	I was going to say, this isn't someone's passing fancy.
	This is someone who's very, very upset by you personally.
	By me, personally.
	So, what they said was that I was never a police officer, and then they changed it.
	I was a police officer, but I was thrown out for my great homophobia.
	I'm sorry, back in the early 1990s, homophobia, displaying hints of homophobia, would have got you a promotion.
	It would have got you thrown out.
	That's back in the day.
	And then he said that they got evidence that my high court, where I beat the police, that it relied on perjury.
	And then they said that they... That's a signifier.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Even if that were true, that's not in their remit to discuss.
	Well, exactly.
	So get this.
	We complained.
	We complained to them.
	And then the original account, Lindsay Watson, shut down.
	And it was replaced by another one called Pepcorn.
	And then another one called White Shines.
	Another one called Durham Red.
	And then another one called, get this, We Are Faux Cop.
	Ah, so they were nicking my profile, etc.
	This went on and on and on and on.
	They put up, I think you've got it on there, I've got a tattoo here.
	The wrong guy, it says.
	It was an epithet that Toby Young gave me.
	They changed it to the guy that hits women.
	So they published the first, there it is, they published my arm with the guy who... How many women have you hit?
	I've hit absolutely zero, but this... Maybe that's his own... No, that is most definitely mine, mate.
	I've got one done in solidarity with you or something like that.
	Characterise himself.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, get this.
	I eventually, because Leicestershire Police would not help me at all.
	Absolutely not at all.
	Um, they wouldn't discipline him because they know this might be a criminal matter, actually.
	So they passed it to Lincolnshire Police to investigate.
	So it could be a hands-off investigation.
	Um, they looked at, uh, Lincolnshire Police looked at the evidence and said, Oh my God, this is not just harassment.
	This is stalking.
	This is full on stalking.
	Like, fantastic.
	You know, he's going to go away for a long time.
	Yeah.
	So, what they did, they gave it to the CPS to check it all out.
	I prepared the entire evidence bundle for them.
	They didn't have to do a thing.
	Being an ex-policeman, you know it.
	I did the whole thing.
	Absolutely.
	And I even pointed to the similarities between the Alex Belfield case, where Alex was put away, because there was no element with Alex's case of physically going out and stalking.
	It was all online.
	So I pointed out all the similarities.
	They were like, yeah, yeah, we're going to get him, we're going to get him, we're going to get him.
	Six months after the final, after the last tweet, After he'd been interviewed, six months and about a week, they rang me and said, Oh, Harry, we've looked and there's not enough evidence for stalking.
	And by the way, um, we've now timed out on the lesser, on the lesser one.
	So that was, that was clearly done on absolutely on purpose.
	They allowed the thing to time out.
	Now this idiot, Lindsay Watson.
	He was placed on police bail and let off police bail some months later.
	And immediately he set up again.
	He set up straight away again.
	So we got a whole bunch more of stuff.
	Gave it all to Leicestershire Police.
	Eventually, Leicester Police got hold of him.
	They put him through an accelerated disciplinary hearing for gross misconduct.
	I was present via Zoom to watch.
	I couldn't see Lindsay Watson because she'd asked for a safety screen so that nobody could see because they were so vulnerable.
	And what was astonishing is this.
	That they moved from their original account to these SOC accounts, I think six, seven SOC accounts, on the advice of the police.
	When they got my original complaint in, the police said to him, look, what you're doing is incredibly It's not right.
	It breaches all the code of ethics.
	It's rude.
	It's insulting.
	It's threatening.
	Wow.
	Police officers aren't allowed to just stalk a friend?
	Now, what we suggest you do is set up some sock accounts so it's not associated with us.
	That was the advice.
	That was the official.
	Doesn't sound like good advice.
	Oh, come on.
	That's great advice because that way it's not associated with the police.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Can't stop you from stalking and harassing.
	Continue doing it.
	Just don't associate.
	We don't want you to associate with us.
	Dan, Dan, centre yourself in the police, right?
	You're a police officer.
	You're woke.
	You're insane.
	You hate all of the public.
	And you're like, look, we just don't need the backlash, right?
	So just do it in an anonymous account.
	So, you know, obviously I'm not going to stop you stalking, harassing.
	I just don't want it coming back on us.
	That's great advice.
	It's fantastic advice, isn't it?
	Well, if the person you're harassing has an IQ of about 75, then that might work.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But anyway.
	I wanted to serve a personal, um, um, attempt to court personally, uh, either criminally, unreliable, et cetera.
	And we said, look, let's just please, will you receive documents on, on what's his behalf?
	And they wouldn't, they absolutely would not even receive legal letter on their behalf.
	So what I did, I put on my private detective hat, found Watson's home address, and literally I staked out his house.
	First of all, in my cowboy hat, part around the corner in the pickup truck.
	And when he didn't come out of the house that I thought he lived at, I thought, what am I going to do?
	I know what I'm going to do.
	I'm going to dress up as a delivery man.
	So I went off and got a delivery man's hat and a high-vis vest, and I bought a big box with nothing in it.
	And I went to the next door neighbor, just waiting.
	I said, hi, delivery here for Lindsay Watson.
	I said, oh, he's not in.
	I said, but he does live next door, right?
	He said, yeah, he definitely lives next door.
	I said, that'll do me.
	So then we've got the papers.
	We've got a place now where we can serve his ass.
	That's kind of cool.
	That's kind of cool.
	Oh, blimey.
	Yeah, 1,200 direct tweets at me, but get this.
	On numerous occasion, Lindsay Watson tags in the anti-terrorist unit of the police and says, says that I am in league, this is the latest one, I was in league with Suella Braverman, with Suella Braverman running a hate cell, an international hate group that, whose atrocities included The shooting, yeah, the shooting last summer in Colorado.
	That was down to me and Suella Braverman, apparently, according to this copy.
	Which shooting was this?
	It was in Colorado, wasn't it?
	It was a few months ago.
	Yeah, yeah, well, it was running in Colorado, anyway.
	Right.
	I can't remember, yeah, absolutely, it's America, isn't it?
	There's loads of shootings.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, yeah, the terrorist shootings were down to me and Suella Braverman running a secret terror cell.
	So you've gone up in the world?
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely gone up in the world.
	Can I get in on this with the two of you?
	Yeah, exactly.
	He tagged in every single chief constable, the anti-terrorist unit probably 50 times, would send regularly intel to my local police force to investigate me for this, that, or the other, but it's never happened.
	Yeah.
	But I'm not against free speech.
	If somebody wants to do that against me, not if you're a police officer.
	If you're a police officer, you have given up your right to do that kind of thing.
	Yeah, I don't think police officers should actually be allowed to smear, defame, and stalk people.
	No, they shouldn't.
	And that's what they shouldn't pick.
	They should not pick a side in an ideological political debate, which they clearly have.
	I'm more worried that whatever selection criteria the police are using these days is letting this kind of character through.
	Well, it's because he's trans.
	That's why.
	That is the only... They've got quotes, remember?
	Yeah, they've got quotes that Lindsay Watson is a absolutely, utterly useless human being, but a trans, you know, they could tick their trans officer thing.
	That's why.
	Yes.
	So, moving on then, what else happened?
	Well, there's that one, but did you see the other day the Newcastle United ban?
	Who got banned from Newcastle United?
	I did not.
	You did not see that?
	Yeah, that's one.
	Newcastle United has full membership suspended while police investigated tweets about trans women.
	So, I got a phone call.
	I just got back from Australia two weeks ago.
	A fan, so someone who's joined the Newcastle United fan club?
	Yeah, she's an absolutely committed, ultra committed Newcastle fan.
	But she tweeted something about transgenders.
	Yeah, okay.
	And Newcastle United are like, right, you're not allowed to pay us money.
	Oh, it gets worse than that.
	It gets worse than that.
	I got a phone call saying that I've had the police round.
	They want to interview me.
	I said, what for?
	They said malicious communications.
	I said, right, have you communicated with anybody maliciously?
	I said, absolutely not.
	I said, right, well, there's a good indication as to your guilt then.
	If you don't know who you've tweeted at and you don't think you have, then you haven't.
	Well, they said, you know, that I need to come in for an interview under caution.
	I said, right, give me the number of the police officer.
	So she gave me the number of the cop and I rang the cop direct.
	I said, hello, I'm waiting for my clients, Newcastle, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	I said, um, I'm just going to put this to you.
	You better not be harassing this woman because of some generalized stuff she's put out on Twitter.
	Right?
	Because unless you've got an actual victim and some actual malicious communication, then we're going to view this simply as harassment.
	And he went, uh, I'm not sure.
	I said, right, I'm going to give you a bit of a clue here.
	Have you considered the Miller ruling?
	That's my ruling about, about hate crimes.
	And he went, um, what's that?
	I said, right, to make your life easier, I'm going to send you a link.
	I said, have you considered the latest approved police practice regarding hate crimes?
	No.
	Right.
	I'm going to send you that as well.
	Have you considered Suella Braveman's, the latest statutory guidance around the recording of hate speech?
	No.
	Right.
	I'm going to send you a copy of that as well.
	It was all a very reasonable conversation on Thursday afternoon.
	Sent it all off, thought that'll be the end of it.
	Two hours later, I get a phone call from the woman.
	The lesbian woman in Newcastle.
	I've just had the police at my door.
	I said, what?
	So they told me that tomorrow I must come in for a voluntary interview.
	Must come in for a voluntary interview.
	Because they've read the Miller ruling, and that gives them no choice but to threaten me with arrest.
	Like, that's not what my ruling says at all.
	So anyway, what I did was, I talked her into going in there, mic'd up, and because she hadn't been arrested, she couldn't be searched.
	So she went in, mic'd up.
	Um, with a solicitor that the police provided.
	It was malicious communication.
	They told her that she was free to leave at any time, but if she exercised that freedom, they would arrest her.
	So there we go.
	First question is, um, is this your account?
	No comment.
	How often do you go on this account?
	No comment.
	Why do you feel the need to go on social media?
	Like, hold on a minute.
	Hold on a minute.
	What's that got to do with you, pal?
	No comment.
	Also a really stupid question.
	You say here, here's your daily reminder that humans can't change sex.
	Do you think that could be seen as offensive?
	No comment.
	It might be true.
	And then it gets worse.
	We've got 8 or 9 of these.
	Another one said, So pleased to say that when people look back on this period in history, when we are medicalizing children in the name of an ideology, I was not part of it.
	The police said, did you write that?
	He said, no comment.
	He says, do you not think that could be seen as offensive?
	Like, no comment.
	Anyway, all of it was like that.
	There was nothing, even in the 40s, nothing, nothing, nothing.
	But then it gets worse.
	The real sting in the tail is this.
	At the end of the interview, the solicitor who had been provided by the police, the duty solicitor, starts off quite well and says, right, I'm just going to say this.
	Your questioning officer could be construed as violating Article 10 of my client's human rights to free speech.
	All good so far, right?
	There's no answer to that from the police.
	He says, however, I've had a word with my client and told her that everything these days can be an offence and I've advised that she mustn't say any of this ever again.
	Will that do?
	This was the solicitor.
	And that's just trying to get her off the hook.
	Yeah.
	But still, it's the worst advice possible because there was no offence, no possibility of an offence.
	Now, malicious communications talks about something having to be grossly Offensive.
	Now, grossly offensive is the thing which the person on the Clapham Omnibus is likely to find offensive.
	So, if you send your ex-girlfriend an unwanted dick pic, we could probably say that's grossly offensive.
	If you send somebody pictures of somebody being decapitated, for instance, we could probably all agree that's grossly offensive.
	Issuing a statement that this is your daily reminder that trans women are men, Doesn't even come close.
	It's not even in the foothills of grossly offensive.
	Not even in the foothills.
	But nevertheless, nevertheless, this girl now has in her history the fact that she's been arrested for hate speech.
	That's it.
	She's been arrested for it.
	Now, it gets worse because there was no victim.
	The person that complained was Newcastle United.
	Oh, the club itself?
	Newcastle United were the complainants.
	Yes.
	Oh.
	Yes, Newcastle United were the complainants.
	Somebody had been to them, somebody from their ticket office, I believe, had been to them and said, we've been through this person's Twitter account and look at this, look at this, what they say about trans people.
	And they said, right, that violates, that violates our terms and conditions of membership and being in the ground.
	Well, it's got nothing... nothing she tweeted had anything to do with football, nothing to do with Newcastle, nothing to do with Newcastle United.
	And yet...
	They've banned her.
	Not only that, they've taken her details, violated her GDPR rights, given it to the police, who have then said, great Newcastle United, and gone and threatened her with arrest and questioning.
	Well, and it is also deeply pathetic, because if Newcastle were to say at the start of the match, by the way, over the tannoy, who here doesn't think that women can be men and men can be women?
	Like, 99.9% of the stadium would put their hands up, and at what point are they going to say then, right, all of you get out.
	Wait until they hear the views of their owner.
	I mean, Newcastle United is Saudi-owned, right?
	I was going to say, is it Saudi-owned?
	It's Saudi-owned, okie dokie.
	This is the geezer that, you know, remember Khashoggi, the journalist who was beheaded?
	Lured into the Turkish Embassy.
	Was he involved in that?
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	But well, yes, he was.
	He was.
	He was.
	He was lured to the Saudi embassy and he was beheaded.
	He was beheaded.
	So, come on Newcastle United, we've all turned a blind eye to the absolute raging homophobia, lesbophobia, Of your owners.
	General misogyny?
	Yeah, exactly.
	But please now don't start persecuting one of your own sort of members.
	You're persecuting it.
	What you would really like to do, I suspect, is bring in a crane and hang her from it.
	That's what you'd really like to do.
	But you can't do that.
	I'm quite tempted to tweet at Newcastle United now, the owner of Newcastle United is right about women and see if they ban me from the stadium.
	That's clever, that's proper thinking, isn't it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So yeah, in answer to your question, Karl, the police are completely nuts, Lee.
	They're completely screwed.
	You know, remember when, remember 18 months ago now, when me and the former Royal Green Jacket got arrested by Hampshire Police?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so we had a go at them, there's the interview by the way, that's the full transcript of the interview.
	Why do you use the social media platform?
	That's just such a dumb question.
	The only reason anyone ever uses social media is to communicate with others.
	Yeah, why shouldn't you?
	We have an absolute right to fellowship, to communicate, to meet in the public space.
	This whole thing is a fishing expedition.
	It's a, please say something that we can get you on.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know.
	And she didn't, bless her.
	But yeah, the police, the Hampshire police, they eventually, um, I wrote to them and said, you know, not only were you wrong, it was unlawful to arrest and detain me, but I'm going to sue you for, what did I do?
	I got them for armed robbery.
	I sued them for armed robbery on the basis that when they came to take my fingerprints and DNA, I said, no, you're not taking it.
	And they said, come on Harry, then we can let you go.
	I said, well, what's the alternative?
	He says, if I keep saying no, then what are you going to do?
	So what we're going to do is I'm going to call my mates from upstairs.
	They're going to come and they're going to hold you down.
	And we're going to rip out a hair from your chest.
	Okie dokie.
	So that is taking property, which is mine of the immediate threat of violence that fits entirely the definition of robbery.
	So I put in a claim for robbery and I got it.
	I won.
	With no contest.
	But it gets even worse.
	Before I won that...
	Okay.
	I think I won six and a half, seven thousand pounds and another 1800 quid for my solicitor.
	I'd written to them to complain about the arrest.
	And I've just got back from Australia.
	I've just received a letter saying they've done nothing wrong.
	They're still insisting they've done absolutely nothing wrong.
	And all the evidence was there to successfully prosecute me and the Royal Green Jacket.
	But nevertheless, they've handed out to me seven and a half thousand pounds.
	If you've done nothing wrong, why are you paying me compensation?
	Yeah, exactly.
	They have an inability to say sorry and acknowledge the truth.
	Absolutely, we'll leave that there.
	Yes, well, I had an idea for a segment many moons ago, and I was waiting for a panel of such illustrious stature that we could really carry this one across.
	Because you see, from time to time, things come up where we sort of give advice to Zoomers, and I thought, why not make a segment out of this?
	Why not make a PowerPoint?
	Yeah, can I?
	Yeah, yeah, please, please.
	I need to, here we go, the mouse, right.
	Okay, so, advice, feel free to chip in on this, because we're the old guys in here.
	We're all old men and we have lots of advice.
	So, let's start off with definitions.
	What is a Zuma?
	Now, they are anyone born between 1997 and 2012.
	And can I just point out at the start what an utterly benighted set of dates they are.
	Because it begins with the rise of the Dark Lord, and it ends with the Mayan end of the world.
	By the dark lord, you're talking about Tony Blair, right?
	Yeah.
	So an inauspicious set of dates.
	I mean, you're starting from behind straight away with that one.
	Just a quick thing there as well.
	For the Zoomers who don't know.
	The 2000s, which is the 2010 era, is the kind of high point of the nadir of our civilization.
	There's a certain kind of person who is nostalgic for the vapidness of civilization at that point, the emptiness.
	I've seen these tweets going around, like, does anyone remember the 2012 Olympics and how that was just the high point of, like, The modern paradigm, and in a way it was to them, but it was also just totally empty and totally just thin and hollow is the only way I can describe it.
	The blood had been sucked out of the being, it just hadn't quite hit the ground at that point.
	Absolutely, yeah, the body just hadn't collapsed yet.
	So yeah, genuinely one of the worst periods in human history on a spiritual level.
	Yes, and beginning with one of the absolute worst periods in human history.
	So a benighted set of dates there.
	But anyway, that's Zoomers.
	On the other hand, they do look good.
	Well, they're young.
	Well, yes.
	Anyone looks good when they're only like 20 years old.
	Yes, yes, there is that.
	But they don't know anything.
	Which is not necessarily an unusual thing for a person.
	But I can't help think that it's all part of the problem because it's so easy to find out stuff these days.
	So I've got a theory on this.
	Basically, when you were growing up, you didn't have the choice to curate the media that you had coming in.
	Right.
	So the radio is on when you're walking around or in the car or whatever, the TV's on, your dad's watching it.
	So you have this kind of osmosis of various boomer cultural... A varied intellectual diet.
	Yeah, you've got no choice.
	It's not very deep, but it is very broad.
	And so you, there's this kind of river of civilization and you're in it and you can't get out of it.
	And it's always being, you're always being exposed to it.
	And what modernity has done with the mobile phone is actually take that away.
	What's giving you an algorithm here with a very precise list of things that you might be interested in.
	Exactly.
	But that means that everyone's individual experience.
	It's not a shared experience that people have on social media.
	It's a very unique, curated experience.
	And so you have got a bunch of rabbit holes that you're constantly in.
	And so everyone's got these separate trickles of civilization that very rarely cross.
	Sometimes they will, but very rarely.
	And so there isn't the shared experience and the shared sort of inheritance.
	A mile deep and an inch wide interest kind of thing.
	But no, no, no.
	There's the difference.
	An inch wide and a mile deep.
	Now, right?
	Yes.
	So the zoomers know everything there is to know about like, you know, Taylor Swift, God only knows one particular special subject, but they won't know anything about what happened yesterday.
	Yes.
	So anyway, I just, just one quick one there.
	I think, um, that generation don't understand the difference between information, um, or data and information and knowledge because knowledge, knowledge requires you as an active, uh, partaker of that knowledge.
	It's not something you just pull up on your phone, is it?
	And I think we've lost the struggle to gain knowledge that we had at school, having to crawl through libraries and books, etc.
	Getting to know something was a struggle, therefore it stuck.
	So I remember when I was young, if I wanted to know something, you had to cycle to the library and read it.
	And if you couldn't find the answer, you basically just had to wait until the internet was invented and just remember the list of things that you wanted to know.
	Luckily, someone might say it in conversation, be like, oh, I need to know that.
	Yes.
	But yeah, you had something called encyclopedias that were physical and you had to trawl through yourself.
	Yes, is that right?
	In the old days.
	Zoom, why are they unhappy?
	That's quite a good one.
	They can't own anything.
	I'm fairly sympathetic to that.
	Yeah, me too.
	Um, you know, um, you know, our generation and parents' generation basically just, oh, I'll buy a house now.
	They can't do that.
	Well, I mean, it wasn't that easy for our generation.
	No, it wasn't, but at least it was.
	I mean, we always thought it was a question of when rather than if.
	So they've got that.
	Just on that question of ownership, I've seemed to have lost A lot of my love of music because being a subscriber to Apple, I own everything, which means absolutely nothing is special.
	Nothing is treasured.
	Nothing is treasured.
	Nothing special.
	Yes.
	I'm sure you guys remember the first CD.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Mine was REM automatic for the people.
	Right.
	It was just the very first CD I'd ever been able to purchase with my own money that I'd earned doing a paper round.
	And so, and it was a physical thing and I was thrilled about it, but the Zoomer can't have that experience.
	Yes.
	Everything's ethereal at this point.
	Okay, their first thing might be £5 a month for Spotify or something.
	Like you said, they've got everything.
	The thrill of opening up an album.
	I mean, mine, physically owning it and sharing it with your mates.
	But I'm still, I'm trying to be sympathetic to them in this.
	Oh, I am.
	So they can't own anything, that's not... Every mistake that they ever make will be recorded in 1080p forever.
	And I tell you what, I'm so glad.
	Yes.
	So glad social media, mobile phones didn't exist.
	With our generation, when we did something particularly stupid, the only time you might hear about it again is a coded reference by your best man at your wedding.
	That would be it.
	Where with these guys, every stupid thing is just indexed and ready to be called up at a moment's notice forever.
	Which is a bit of a negative, I mean I'll give them that.
	Which is of course why the police promote soccer counts.
	Isn't it?
	Yeah.
	But that is a genuinely harrowing thing.
	And another thing, all that is good is being destroyed around them.
	Which, I mean, they never got to experience a better world.
	Yeah.
	So that's another thing about like, you know, sort of Callum.
	Yes.
	People his age don't remember when the world was good.
	Yes.
	And they don't realize that something has been lost.
	It's always been terrible as far as they can remember.
	It's like, no wonder you're so bloody gloomy.
	I would be too.
	And also no wonder why you're so irreverent.
	No, you don't take anything seriously.
	So what would I take seriously here?
	Everything is terrible.
	Why would I take any of this seriously?
	Great question.
	So I'm not unsympathetic to them in the slightest because those are all bad things.
	However, they do have some positives.
	So number one is they are never ever bored.
	I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
	Oh, they're always bored.
	Yeah.
	I think they're always bored because they don't grapple with anything long enough.
	Boredom is a concept that... But what they are is distracted.
	They're distracted.
	The magnolia whitewashed humans.
	So when you say bored, they're never lacking for stimulation, which I think is true.
	But also, I'm not sure that's a good thing.
	I think that's a bad thing.
	I think the good things happen when you're bored.
	So when we were lads, we'd often have to sort of sit around for like an hour or two, trying to think of something to do.
	Exactly, but that is brainpower that you're actually using.
	I mean, the average Zoomer now is like, I don't need to think about anything.
	Scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll.
	Five hours have passed, now I need to get- We're outside quite a lot.
	Yeah.
	So like, you were out there actually building your body, you were building your mind, you were building friendships, you were building tree houses.
	You know, you were building things, you were making things that didn't previously exist come into existence, and the constant distractions of the Zoomers means they don't do that, they don't get that practice.
	Maybe I shouldn't have put those as positives.
	Well, it's more a curse.
	Well, let's see if I can do better with the next one.
	They have access to all of human knowledge.
	With no curiosity to find any of it.
	And no, yeah, absolutely.
	And no, no application of that knowledge, which is wisdom.
	Cause they've never, yeah.
	Cause they've never practiced building anything, which is how you generate wisdom.
	Like, so like this is the great irony of the Zoomers.
	It's like, okay, you've got access to all human knowledge and these Zoomers are like, yeah, but why would I want to know that?
	It's just like, what do you mean, why would you even know?
	And I don't have a ready answer for it.
	Because they're actually divorced from the consequences of not knowing things, because technology is picking up all that slack.
	So you don't know how to change a plug?
	Okay, I'll just go on YouTube and find out.
	Oh, you've knocked down my second positive as well.
	Well, no, no, it is a positive to have access to all of human knowledge, but we always presuppose that there'd be people who would actually need it.
	But the Zoomers don't need it.
	Everything is done for them by machines or algorithms or whatever, and so there's no consequence of them not knowing something.
	Right.
	Yes.
	But for us, when we were kids, if you didn't know something, uh, you didn't get that thing, you didn't get your bike fixed.
	You didn't know how to change a tire.
	Well, then you should have been paying attention when your dad was showing you because now you're not going on a bike ride with everyone else.
	Right.
	Yep.
	But now it's like, okay, I'll just look it up.
	I'll just go, you know, watch the YouTube video.
	I couldn't remember how to change a tire about three years ago when I first got a flat after starting riding my bike.
	I couldn't remember.
	So what did I do?
	I went on YouTube.
	Actually, I've got my wife's dad to show me.
	Afterwards I went on YouTube to tell you.
	Right, okay.
	But I just couldn't remember because it had been like five years.
	Well, let's see if I can do better with my third positive then.
	Positive reasons to be a Zoomer is there is not an unreasonable chance of being able to live forever in luxury waited on by robots because, I don't know, maybe... I suppose that's the... yeah, that's possible.
	Human longevity could be one of those things that's about to get cracked.
	On various fronts, and you might be weighted on by robots.
	But even if it's not, you're probably going to live long enough, so then the robot slave class will take care of you forever.
	So that one feels to me like a positive.
	I think it's a negative.
	Who wants to live forever?
	Oh my God.
	Weighed on by robots.
	Have you not seen the film Terminator?
	That thing is prophetic, right?
	Even if you don't live forever, even if you live just for the natural lifespan, from like 30 onwards with your robot slave class, I mean, What kind of person is that?
	Literally just looking at a screen to be stimulated forever until they die of old age.
	You're saying that's not satisfying and fulfilling?
	I'm saying that maybe that's not the positive way of characterizing this.
	Well, anyway, having set up what a Zoomer is, what their complaints are... Hang on a second.
	I have some positives about the Zoomers.
	Oh, go on, then.
	They're quite nice.
	I quite like the Zoomers.
	Yes.
	They're quite clever.
	It's not that they're not clever.
	Yes.
	They've just got... Well, they were well-fed during infancy, so they got, you know... Absolutely.
	And they've been well-educated.
	So... No, they've not been well-educated.
	No, no, no.
	They've been appallingly educated.
	They know nothing.
	No, that's not true.
	They know a lot about very specialist technical subjects.
	Right?
	So, and that, to me and you, is just like, so.
	Oh, they know about coding.
	Weaponized Zuma autism is quite impressive.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	So they know a lot about very, very narrow subjects, which is useful in small doses.
	So they're clever.
	They are quite well educated.
	And they're quite fun.
	Like, they're not insufferable moralizers like the Millennials were.
	They're a lot more like the Generation X of this new wave of generations.
	Yeah, actually, you might be right.
	I might have, you know, from this being a 58-year-old, I've looked back and I've compressed them.
	Yeah, I need to go back.
	That strict definition of 1997 Yeah.
	These guys are not bad people.
	They're just a product of their time.
	Which is awful.
	Which is an awful time.
	Yeah.
	So they've got to live with the burden of having no attention span or things like this or only having an attention span for one particular subject that they can't stop being autistically obsessed over.
	So they're not bad people or anything.
	No, no, no.
	Really, they're living under a curse.
	So, should we move on to the advice that we have?
	Because that's the main bit.
	We haven't got to that yet, so we best try and get everything right.
	Advice number one.
	Social skills, I think, are the primary skill.
	And a social skill cannot happen on the internet.
	No, it can't.
	So I'm always reminded of there was a business I was sort of looking to invest in, I didn't in the end, but it basically consisted of two sides.
	One side, a bunch of guys with like two PhDs each, very clever, and then a bunch of white boys who were the salesmen.
	Right.
	There's like a mini civil war in this business because the white boys were getting paid twice as much as the guys with the two PhDs.
	Yeah.
	Because social skills are Are just genuinely useful absolutely everywhere.
	Now I'm not saying that you should not do your PhD and go down the pub instead.
	What I'm saying is you should do both.
	I mean there was actually one guy in this business who had both the technical skills and the social skills.
	And he's winning.
	And he was the CEO.
	Got paid more than all the rest of them put together.
	But I think social skills are wildly undervalued.
	Oh totally.
	The social skills are, you are right, primary and they don't happen on the internet.
	It's just the most important.
	Yes.
	And they don't happen working from home either.
	No.
	They don't.
	You need to get your ass on the underground or in your car or walk or whatever.
	Get to the office and rub up against other people.
	Like proper rub up against them.
	That's how you learn.
	Just interact anywhere.
	Go to the pub a bit more than you occasionally would, but yeah, go into the office, just talk to people, just start having conversations.
	The ability to go and talk to anyone is incredibly valuable in this life.
	Yep, I agree.
	So yeah, we all agree on that one.
	Right, okay, what's my next one?
	Oh yes, take risks.
	Oh yeah.
	Yes, risks are fun.
	Always take risks.
	Now, I'm not talking about sensible risks.
	Calculated risks.
	Yeah, I'm not talking about, you know, barebacking across Sierra Leone or something.
	I'm talking about, you know, business risks or, you know, putting yourself out there or doing something like that.
	Now, pretty sure you guys are going to agree with that one.
	I agree.
	Actually, even something as mundane as exposing yourself to an idea that you think you might disagree with.
	This whole concept of safe spaces, oh my god, is there any worse concept on the planet than a safe space?
	I'd rather be in hell than in a safe space.
	I'm just thinking of a time when I was about 9 years old, and a bunch of us had managed to climb on top of this garage, and we're jumping about 12 feet down, and then doing a roll at the end.
	Like, it never occurred to us that that was dangerous.
	I mean, it was actually higher than this house and we jumped down and then you just rolled to save your ankles.
	And we used to do that as a matter of course.
	Look, we've got to be allowed, kids have got to be allowed to break bones, right?
	They've got to be allowed to break bones and get minor concussions and all the rest of it.
	Because that's what life is like.
	So I was primarily thinking about quitting your job and starting something new rather than jumping off a roof.
	It's something that goes through your whole life.
	But you are right.
	If you're worried that you can't do it, well, you won't know until you try.
	You may as well give it a go.
	It probably won't destroy you.
	Yes.
	And it is very easy to lead a boring, safe life by just doing the sort of thing that's in front of you or the thing that you're expected to do.
	It's only by taking risks that you really set yourself up for success.
	Yes.
	And also, if you just stay within the lines that have been mapped out for you, you're basically a pet.
	You're a wage slave at best.
	It's worse than being a wage slave.
	You're basically a domestic animal.
	Yes.
	That's why I left the police, you know, 25, 25 years ago was because I didn't want to be, I didn't want the security of being told what to do.
	I wanted to go out, well, I wanted to go and make some money.
	Um, and I wanted to be, I wanted to be the boss.
	I wanted to be in charge so that any mistakes were my mistakes.
	And you can only achieve that by taking a risk.
	No way could I have thought my way up through, not really.
	through sort of the layer upon layer of hierarchy because you've got to learn to play the game right you've got to learn to play and I like no chance I want to be I want to be at the top yeah and then I'm already there I don't have to push through any middle management I'm already at the top and that's that.
	If you do it that way you become some kind of creature that kind of slivers up the ranks rather than anything else but yeah yeah no you've got it you've got to go your own way you've got to take your own risks.
	But also it's kind of like um you're the kind of You're inseparable from the institution if you do that as well.
	As in, you can't live outside of whatever it is you've saved your way up.
	And I can't stand that, to be honest.
	Right.
	Next one.
	Appreciate your elders.
	Now, I didn't really appreciate this point until I myself started to become a bit more elderly.
	But no, this one is important.
	So if you're lucky enough to still have grandparents around, do have a conversation.
	Yeah.
	There's a kind of knowledge that can only be learned by doing, and that's what they have.
	You don't have that.
	You can't have that because one of the key components of that kind of knowledge is time and you just haven't accrued the time and it's not possible for you to have done so.
	Well, and just hearing about the place and the culture that you come from, the lineage that you come from and the way things, there was enormous value in just sitting there.
	And it's one of those things, if your grandparents are still alive, that you just think to yourself, "Well, I'll just do it next week." But eventually those extra weeks do run out.
	So I think there was great value it is one of those things that you tend to only appreciate.
	Once the opportunity has passed, so... I agree, but I think that's, again, one of the problems is that it's quite acceptable to demonstrate intolerable ageism and dismiss our generation as Nazis, as people who... This police officer, in fact, one of the things he said to me was that he's looking forward to the culling of my type by virtue of our age.
	That's not the kind of language that we want to hear from anybody, let alone a police officer.
	So I think you're absolutely right.
	We need to appreciate our elders, but I think there's a dismissal of eldership.
	Yeah, I do.
	And that was very typical of the Maoist regime as well, wasn't it?
	Oh, yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Turn on your elders.
	It all comes down to the Year Zero thinking.
	Basically, what Zoomers need to take away from this is that wisdom is something that can only be accrued by time, and that's what old people have, is actually they have wisdom.
	Yes.
	Right, next one.
	Let's see if this one's going to be... Where are we?
	Oh, yes.
	Beware women.
	Now...
	We're all married, by the way.
	Most of our audience is men, so I framed it like that.
	So three older guys are going to be like, look out for the women, because we've got wives and kids.
	If you are a woman who likes men, beware men.
	No, well, the point that I'm kind of making here is that I have never seen a chap be completely undone by picking the wrong career.
	Or buying the wrong house, or the wrong car.
	I can see where you're going with this.
	Every guy I've ever known who's been completely put awry...
	I think it works the other way around as well though.
	Presumably, but I don't tend to hear those stories.
	You go through life at a certain point, you start having to go down the pub with a mate who's just a complete wreck because he's picked the wrong woman and it's all gone wrong.
	I actually read Hesiod's Works and Days the other day, 2000 years ago, this was still just as true.
	There's nothing better than a good wife and there's nothing worse than a bad wife.
	Oh, yeah.
	Literally, it's a tale as old as time.
	So, choosing your wife is important.
	The only problem here is I don't think I've got any good advice as to how you do that.
	Well, it depends on who you are and what you're looking for, doesn't it?
	But someone who actually loves you and isn't going to screw you over, good luck, Seamus.
	It took me three attempts.
	I'm there now.
	I'm there now.
	20 years of absolutely grand.
	So, yeah, it's not easy, is it?
	Picking a suitable mate.
	I got lucky first time round.
	Yeah, you got lucky first time round as well, but... It's probably not normal.
	Yes.
	My first two wives got unlucky with their choices.
	That was the problem.
	That's the truth, yes.
	But my point broadly is that people always say that your biggest financial decision is your house.
	It's not.
	It's your wife.
	It's your wife, yes.
	And quite often the way I see this go wrong is basically some chap marries somebody with a different propensity to consume or to show off.
	So I know guys who've worked really bloody hard, brought in quite a lot of income, and it's never enough.
	One thing to remember is it's not just love that makes a marriage actually work.
	Yes.
	Temperaments.
	Only love can actually destroy a marriage.
	Yes, perhaps.
	That and bagging off.
	Lots of things.
	Once someone says, I love you, I love you, I love you, and then their actions don't match their words, Anyway.
	Right.
	Next, related to that point, is associate wisely.
	Now, when you are a young person, you just kind of tend to get who you get, don't you?
	You just hang out with people.
	Yeah, the people from your school, your family and so on.
	I think one of the key lessons of growing up is that you want to be a bit more discerning about those people that you spend your time with.
	And if they're the wrong people, sort it out.
	Oh, you don't want to be with, I tell you, the thing that I can't stand being with these energy drains.
	Negative, negative people.
	People who only ever see the worst, the half, the glass is half sort of empty types.
	Can't be doing them.
	Can't be doing them.
	I call them off.
	That's my three weddings.
	We only had people there who I would knock about with as mates.
	Like everybody else can, not interested.
	I'm very, very picky about who we knock about with.
	Also, anyone who just commits crimes regularly.
	Don't hang around with criminals.
	Occasionally, okay?
	Well, I mean, occasionally maybe, but like, you know the type of person I'm talking about.
	And everyone, when you would have been hanging out.
	Scallywag.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know, the pub or whatever.
	And he's just causing trouble.
	Just don't associate with those guys.
	I agree.
	Yes, right.
	Next one.
	You know what, I think every social group should have at least one far-right member in it.
	Most social groups are far-right.
	Openly far-right, yeah.
	Right, number six, do what you enjoy.
	So don't go off You know, chasing what you think will make money or what your parents think you should do.
	I would say do what you enjoy because whatever it is that you're doing, you're going to be doing a lot of it.
	Yeah.
	And you really don't want to hate getting out of bed in the morning, Monday to Friday.
	So just do what you enjoy.
	And actually, if you're really bloody good at it, which is a lot easier when you enjoy it, you'll make money out of it.
	Yes.
	Somehow.
	It just kind of works like that.
	Whether you end up owning the company that does the thing, or you just get really good at the thing, whatever it is.
	I agree with that.
	But yeah, do what you enjoy.
	Right.
	Commit to your task.
	This is one that you're going to have problems with, because of your lack of attention span.
	This matters.
	Yes.
	Well, for me, there is nothing more pathetic when you encounter people who do things half-heartedly.
	I don't care what it is.
	It could be milking goats or serving tables or doing database entry.
	No end.
	Yes.
	It's our bodily.
	Got to be all in.
	And you just waste your time as well.
	Yeah.
	Wasted half the time you put into it.
	I don't get what it is.
	It could be milking goats or serving tables or doing database entry.
	If you don't commit to doing your task and doing it properly, and you might think, well, Dan, Dan, you don't understand this.
	This is just a job for me.
	Well, just a job for me, too.
	Change it, then.
	Do something else.
	Do something that you can apply yourself.
	But there was honestly nothing more odious to me than people who just half-heartedly don't like it.
	Don't like it at all.
	Right.
	Second one.
	Travel.
	Oh, this is important.
	Travel, yes.
	Go anywhere else in the world And you'll realize that most of what we talk about here is just complete and utter bullshit.
	You'll get a sense of perspective by traveling.
	I mean, to pick the thing that, you know, is always on the mind of Westerners, and it's something like racism.
	Just go and have a conversation with somebody anywhere else in the world about what they think.
	And you'll be given such a different, stark perspective to the one that you get here, and it will be on all things.
	Yes.
	It will teach you to value what actually matters.
	Are you much of a traveller, Harry?
	I'm very much a traveller.
	Absolutely.
	And I think all young people should travel, because they would be absolutely shocked to discover that equality and diversity out in the world beyond our shores is not quite what they think it is.
	No, it is not.
	It really isn't.
	There is a healthy hatred amongst peoples and tribes and groups and counties and states.
	They don't think of it as hatred, they just think of it as this is just how the world is.
	Exactly.
	Well, it's what I said before, it's that positive sort of natural hate.
	When we go along to a football match, part of the fun is watching the skill.
	Well, the vast majority of the Earthathon comes from expressing your tribalism, your tribalistic hatred over the other side, and the other side's colours, and the other side's songs.
	It's human.
	It's natural, and providing it's managed, providing it's managed, and it operates within certain civilised parameters, it's all very good.
	Yes, and it's not just that.
	It's just that, you know, there are certain things that you should travel around the world, people just don't have.
	And a lot of the time, you realise, oh, actually, you don't actually need it either.
	Um, it teaches you to value those things that you do actually need, such as, you know, family and connection and all the rest of it and, um, and lots and lots of stuff you don't.
	Right.
	So let's go on to number nine.
	Uh, learn about money.
	I've got a very simple point here.
	The average person will spend about 90,000 hours working over the course of a 40 year career.
	Now, if you were to learn a little bit about money, about how to use debt, how to make investments, you know, how to be a bit smarter about your money, and, you know, let's put some maths on this.
	Let's say you invested 10% of your income at 5% a year.
	You could shave off 26,000 of those hours and still get to the same place at the end of it.
	So, rather than throwing yourself at something, which hopefully you enjoy, you can get a significantly better outcome just by learning a little bit about money.
	Because it is half of every transaction.
	It is what we basically spend all of our time working for, because it is that sort of universal medium.
	So just understand how it works.
	Understand debt and debasement and inflation.
	If you understand those simple tools, then you'll just have a much simpler time of it.
	Would you include things like Bitcoin in that?
	Yes, I'd say so, yeah.
	Well, that would be a good way to get, you know, your bit of a return.
	I know absolutely nothing about Bitcoin.
	Well, that brings me then to my most important.
	There we go.
	If you subscribe at lotuseaters.com, you can learn about money with my Broconomic series, and also philosophy, which we touched on with Stelios, and history, with Bo, as we mentioned.
	I mean, this is definitely the most important one.
	Well, I think I was building to something.
	Building to something important there.
	And what else have we got?
	We've got contemplations, we've got Josh, which is about all sorts of things.
	Epochs.
	So, this good year I married her.
	Found out we were expecting her.
	I built this.
	clubs and all sorts of things.
	So there you go.
	So there you go.
	If you want to be a good Zoomer, follow this list.
	Let's get some, do we have video comments?
	We have four, I think.
	So this good year, I married her, found out we were expecting her.
	I built this with my wife.
	I smashed this one.
	I went to Bjørnøya.
	I took this.
	I took this.
	I went to Tallinn.
	I went to Copenhagen.
	Hello Sophie!
	I shot this.
	I went on a hike with this good girl.
	I fried this.
	I fried that.
	I fried this.
	And that.
	And I filleted this fish.
	And I salted.
	And I dried.
	And I met these monsters.
	Hope everyone's having a good time.
	Look at that!
	John, was that Finland, was it?
	I've no idea.
	John, that was echoing, so I could hardly... Yeah, I think, John, you've got your mic on, so we were hearing that twice, but wherever that is, it looks quite interesting.
	I wouldn't fancy that.
	No, I wouldn't either.
	Well, everything before... The rest of it was great, yes.
	That's disgusting.
	Congratulations, by the way.
	Let's go to the next one.
	You have barricaded yourself in the captain's cabin, but you only have a short amount of time before the invaders break through.
	What do you want to do?
	Maybe we should ask God for help.
	Wait, is your God actually real?
	Of course he is.
	Prove it.
	Fine.
	Summon God!
	Holy shit.
	Language!
	Hello Connor, my loyal servant.
	What can I do for you?
	Is that David Attenborough?
	These disbelievers are doubting your existence.
	Would you like to show them?
	Of course, I'd be happy to.
	Oh no no no no no no!
	John, it's really difficult to understand what they're saying because there's an echo coming through the speakers at the bottom there.
	So I'm confused by this.
	Did he clip all of that?
	Was that AI voice generation?
	My goodness.
	I quite like that.
	Yeah, me too.
	It felt like I was in a dream.
	or high or something.
	The next one.
	That's very good, Mr. Right.
	So this is a question for the panel.
	Perhaps it's a Bo question, but I was really curious about how the Queen knighted several actors in her life.
	And if that's something that historically has ever happened, if it's anything more than true heroes getting knighted, it just seems to me like it cheapens it.
	And, you know, I don't know if that's something that ever happened before, so I'm just sort of curious of your opinions on it.
	I have no idea what that's in reference to.
	I have no idea what that's in reference to, but I think... Well, people like Sean Connery getting knighted, I'd imagine.
	I think if you've had a very long and illustrious career, then maybe.
	You've done great things.
	I think it's a good way of rewarding people.
	Yeah, I do.
	It's not a new thing, is it?
	You know, we've had some Michael Caine and Sean Connery.
	Yeah, but I mean, like in the Middle Ages.
	Yeah.
	Great feats.
	Did Shakespeare get knighted?
	No.
	Not in his lifetime, did he?
	Probably not.
	It's a bit harsh.
	I mean, if you're going to not knight him and then you're going to knight Michael Caine, I don't know.
	Yeah, but like when people get ignited in that era, you're still expected to have a horse and a lance.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Let's go to the next one.
	So today I am at Warship Salt Mine, where they have carved all of this stuff out of the stone, out of the mine, like it's freaking Moria or something.
	This is genuinely awe-inspiring.
	This is incredible.
	That's very cool.
	Yeah, it is.
	Where is this?
	I don't know.
	Presumably Denmark, somewhere around.
	That is very, very, very cool.
	Yeah, very nice.
	If I only got, like, bloody Peppa Pig Land up the road from me, I'd much rather have... Yeah, I know, right?
	...that.
	Yeah, I've been to Peppa Pig Land.
	No, really?
	Oh, yeah, I've got kids, haven't I?
	Yeah, of course you have, yeah.
	I've not done Peppa Pig Land.
	No, you're missing nothing.
	Legoland is way better.
	I could get into that.
	Yeah, yeah, that's alright.
	Jimbo says, the future of policing is along identitarian lines if the left get the way.
	It's racist for four white police officers to arrest a black woman for not showing her bus ticket, and it stands to reason that she can only be fairly dealt with by her fellow skin folk.
	We can't be far off trans people demanding to be exclusively dealt with by trans police officers.
	They already are.
	Oh, are they?
	They already are.
	Really?
	Yep, yep, yep.
	The chief constable of Northumbria She is the LGBT lead and she's already got that into quite a few forces.
	And it's not just trans, it's that you have a right to declare what your self-identity is and then be searched by an officer of that same identity.
	So how that quite works in practice, I have no idea.
	I remember years ago, this guy was always getting away with crime because he was a burglar and basically he was deaf.
	And he was Iranian, so they had to go and find a Farsi sign language person every time they arrested him.
	And a lot of the time it was too much hassle, so they didn't bother.
	But if you add on the complexity of, I'm a trans, deaf Iranian who can only be spoken to by a Farsi-speaking sign language trans person... Yeah.
	What could possibly go wrong?
	Yes.
	What could possibly go wrong?
	Bilbo says, the population of Ireland have not been demotivated enough.
	To understand the correct response when your children are stabbed is to sing, don't look back in anger.
	This is demoralization.
	Definitely something that just hasn't happened in Ireland yet.
	This is why the speed running of it is a real mistake.
	We've been properly demoralized.
	The Irish are still like, no, we're Irish.
	We like being Irish.
	It's like, oh my God, you don't hate yourselves.
	That's crazy.
	You guys are going to have to really learn hard and quick to get on board with the program.
	Grant says, always great to see Harry on the podcast.
	Keep up the good work, Mr. Miller.
	Caroline says, I hate read an article on The Guardian every weekend on the topic of the Dublin riots.
	Describe Sinn Féin as a progressive left-wing party.
	It's amazing.
	I mean, you must remember from when you were young what Sinn Féin were like.
	Hard right nationalist party.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But this is what I don't... Back when I liked them.
	I don't understand that.
	There are certain forms of nationalism which are absolutely acceptable.
	It's fine to be an alt-nationalist if you live in Scotland, for instance.
	Yeah.
	Isn't it?
	That's fine.
	But notice, I mean, do you not remember Nicola Sturgeon saying, well, I wouldn't have called it the National Party.
	They are in these spaces because of Celtic victim identity complex, and it merges with the other victim identities, but it's actually anti-national.
	So now, we're building the new island, the Rainbow Island, the Rainbow Scotland.
	It's like, your nationalist parties are just literally selling you out.
	I mean, at least ours are like, we're just useless, and we're the Labour Party, and so we're here to sell you out.
	At least you know that.
	The Celtic national parties are just such traitors.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I agree.
	I'm going to go re-watch the Conor McGregor thing.
	Omar says, there's going to come a point where if you don't have a hate incident registered against you, I wouldn't consider hiring you.
	If you haven't been accused of an hysterism or phobia, then you haven't said anything worth saying.
	I agree with that.
	Furious Dan says, they're well-educated, they're socially stunted, they know a lot about very specific subjects.
	Are we sure Zoomers aren't just autistic?
	They're quite possible.
	Autism rates are going through the roof, aren't they?
	As something happens.
	They are broadly autistic, but again, they didn't make themselves.
	They've been made by the civilization we live in, so it's not their fault.
	James says, as a Zoomer, I agree not taking things seriously, calling everything that is is cringe.
	It's a very big problem.
	However, it's probably a defense mechanism against the time of one.
	That's exactly what I was saying, James.
	It's not your fault that you take none of this seriously, because of course, this was all done to you.
	Kevin says, I feel sorry for the Zoomers.
	They're worse off than Thai teachers, Kevin's in Thailand, who own 64% of the personal debt, but basically own nothing, which is great.
	And the last one, Crumpet says, Carl talks about 2012 being the height of vapidity for our civilization.
	As a Zoomer, that's not how I saw it.
	I remember lining up to see the Olympic torch go past my school and we had a street party for the Diamond Jubilee, which I failed to see in 2022.
	From my perspective, 2012 was a highly communitarian and patriotic year.
	Well, that is something we'll have to discuss another time, because unfortunately we're out of time.
	You don't remember the pop culture of it.
	Like just what men behaving badly did ended with the Inbetweeners.
	It was just awful.
	But we'll talk about it another time.
	Harry, where can people find you if they want more from you?
	They can find us at WeAreFairCop on Twitter.
	That's pretty much it.
	WeAreFairCop.
	Okay.
	Thank you everyone for joining us and we'll see you tomorrow.
	Cheerio.

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