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	Good afternoon, folks.
	Welcome to the podcast of Lotus Esses for the 7th of September.
	I'm joined by Connor and by journalist Callum Smiles.
	Hello.
	How are you doing Callum?
	I'm very well, how are you?
	Today we will not be talking about representation in incels, we will be talking about... We actually will a little bit, but we'll be mentioning it.
	Apparently we will be talking about representation in incels.
	America's two-tiered justice system and how everything normal is now Um, but before we begin, uh, we're doing like a new series on the website, uh, which is going to be just Lads Hour.
	We couldn't think of a better name to be honest.
	Um, but it's just going to be, uh, five of us sitting around and talking about a particular thing that's been on everyone's minds this week.
	And this one is going to be about the anti-SJW question, because you may have seen Harry getting into a bit of a barney with them on Twitter recently, and I have some thoughts on it, and I wanted to share them, and I think everyone else wants to share theirs as well.
	So join us for that at three o'clock today, straight after the podcast, for of course our premium subscribers.
	So let's get on with it.
	What are we doing?
	Right, so last month I did a segment, uh, it's this segment, funnily enough, on the number of leftists and feminists that have started to notice there's a problem with men.
	Yeah, I think she was probably objecting to the fact that you called her a feminist, right?
	Well, I didn't call her a feminist in the video, but she's in the thumbnail.
	Sure, but in the title and thumbnail.
	Yeah, we got into a little bit of an insult thread, but, you know, I just appreciate that she was flirting with me, really.
	Anyway, so, point being, it was very encouraging to see quite a few... I told you about older women, Colin.
	We all have our weaknesses.
	It was quite encouraging to see lots of left-wing women, women who formerly maybe haven't been speaking out on this as much as Chu actually has throughout her career, go, but hang on a minute, isn't there an area of life that we're not addressing here?
	Male dispossession, they're economically disadvantaged, they're Academically disadvantaged, killing themselves at record rates, they're not succeeding in life, there's so many things.
	I would suggest that perhaps the lens be turned on left-wing philosophy in and of itself, but at least the olive branch has been extended.
	My only gripe has been that a disproportionate amount of these op-eds are authored by women in mainstream outlets, so it is being gate-kept out of the reach of men to provide solutions for ourselves.
	And so from a standpoint of epistemology, it's very difficult to speak from the perspective of that man what's in his interest if you've not lived that reality because representation matters after all.
	I've been told that many times and it is interesting that it's uh gatekept is the right word it's being gatekept by feminists and women to talk about men's issues.
	The exact people that are still um percolating in the paradigm that's birthed forward these issues and and so I'm just going to do a bit of a follow-up segment I present this week in men um if you want to find out gay Yeah, we're not talking about Obama, sorry.
	So, if you want to- Honor this week in men!
	That's going on low as he is out of context.
	Anyway, if you want to find out what caused all of this, you can subscribe to our website for as little as £5 a month, and watch mine and Carl's discussion of the sequel to Evil Origins of Feminism, where this time it wasn't as dire a diagnosis as when we went through Simone de Beauvoir, my talk to do with that.
	This was actually a pretty constructive discussion about building a frame of reference for re-engendering solidarity between sexes.
	But I think the important thing, though, is that the feminists have got a point, which is, well, men don't really understand women's perspective on the world, and that's true.
	But conversely, you don't understand our perspective either.
	Yeah, so we appreciate the sympathy, but it's not quite empathy.
	It has to be ambiguous complementarity.
	And sometimes that ambiguity engenders a bit of playfulness, and that's the bedrock of flirting.
	At the moment, we're not even starting relationships, so maybe let's get that back a little bit.
	So, I wanted to start off, going back to Shu.
	She tweeted out this cover.
	She wasn't the only one, but I saw this first.
	Yeah, not the most constructive.
	So this is the front cover of the West Australian, don't know how widely circulated the paper is, but for our audience, it shows a young boy and the headline is, how do we stop this kid becoming a monster?
	Call for DV lessons at all schools to address the menace of toxic masculinity.
	Is this the kid who had the Gadsden flag on his back?
	No, I don't believe it.
	Right, this is a different kid, because there was another kid recently who got stigmatised by the media because he went into school with the Gadsden flag on his back.
	Oh yes, I saw that.
	It wasn't just the media, it was the henpecking administrators at the Longhouse in unilaterally staffed female education systems that said it's actually about slavery when it goes all the way back to the Revolutionary War.
	So what's this kid done?
	He looks like he's nine years old.
	And quite clearly he's racist.
	Can't you see it?
	But he looks like he's about nine years old, what could he possibly have done wrong?
	um i i would suggest maybe not wearing a baggy parachute pants but other than that i don't really think he's committed any crimes and so the the interesting thing about this was there was a reply from critical drinker somewhere down here but he's here is wow it's a total mystery while male suicides are rocketed in recent years because you're continually culturally denigrated with male competence being an instrument of patriarchal dominance
	and so you're discouraged from ever progressing even if you can get past preferential hiring and equality act legislation and the like So it's not shocking that if from birth to death you're told that by nature of your birth you're an awful person, why men are just going, no I'm checking out.
	But the thing is, Bethany Heat, it appears to be the author of this, has taken it upon herself to stigmatize boys.
	Oh, young boys grow up to become monsters.
	The thought process that led up to this at every point to me is a moral failure.
	And then on the front page of like a national magazine in Australia to be like right okay yeah so look if you want any better proof that feminists control the world we're stigmatizing half of the children in this country because they were born wrong.
	And it's also who's been raising said boys for the last 30 to 40 years?
	It hasn't been the fathers who are overwhelmingly not in the homes.
	Again, 50% of kids in the UK at this point have their father either not present at all or barely present because they're spread across two households.
	So not to invoke Fight Club, but why do we think after a generation of men raised exclusively by women that more feminism is the solution?
	I would suggest probably not.
	I like as well how like, you know, this talk about domestic violence and toxic masculinity.
	You know, or it's against women, you know, violence against women.
	And at the very top, it's winter trip to Amsterdam, the home of prostitution.
	That is a perfect point.
	Yes.
	I didn't even think about that.
	That is drugs and hookers.
	Yes, please.
	That's right.
	I'm effeminate.
	Yeah, we'll send you there for free.
	It's perfectly logically consistent.
	If freedom is the only thing that matters, then you can sign away men's obligations to women via chivalry by just saying, well, they're consenting to it, so they can totally abuse themselves.
	Any kind of consideration for what might be good for them.
	Just as a dad as well, right?
	Assuming this is a stock photo of a kid, it's definitely the wrong kind of photo to use.
	Because the kid looks fairly well-dressed, his shoes are nice and shiny, he's polished them, he's got a fairly decent haircut, maybe slouching a little bit, could stand up a bit straighter, but otherwise the kid seems fine.
	But then, competence is the problem.
	Well, yeah.
	As we know.
	It's too intimidating.
	And so, we'll just go onto this bit.
	Speaking of male suicides, Alexander Datesike.
	I've got an interview coming up with him soon.
	He's spoken to Chris Williamson before.
	I believe he works for an AI matchmaking service called Keeper, which is trying to change dating apps to make people actually get married, rather than just swipe through endlessly on hookup.
	God, I love that we've had to outsource this to the Borg.
	Yeah, just AI arranged marriage.
	Yeah, we can't be expected to do it ourselves.
	Just, dear God-like computer, give me a wife.
	Yeah, thank you consent-based feminism.
	Hasn't confused things at all.
	So he's gone through and done some research on the state of American men.
	And so, some of the stats here, it says between 44 and 49% of Gen Z men have depressive symptoms and suicidal thoughts.
	So that's not very good to be inflicted on.
	Only half of men thinking about suicide.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Not great.
	And it's particularly dropped off around the older millennial types because they're not as digitally native.
	Right.
	They don't get most of their lives fed through the sewage pipe of.
	38 to 45 is my age demographic and I never think about suicide.
	Which is surprising because.
	Weirdo.
	Yeah, I know.
	You work with us every day.
	Look, there's quite a few Gen X men where it's pronounced, but then that was the start of the curve, and the curve has just gone exponentially up.
	That's, I think, a consequence of hands-off boomer parenting as well.
	That attitude has stayed with us, of where we have been stripped of a place of cultural belonging.
	And when kids are just raising other kids, particularly in daycare settings, then the kid with the least well-behaved standards infects the other kids, and that becomes your suppositions throughout life.
	Just half of Gen Z men have had suicidal thoughts in the last two weeks.
	Yep.
	Awful.
	They've probably been listening to Connor talk about Barbie.
	They're probably dating Gen Z women.
	To be honest with you, that's probably the one thing that's preventing them from killing themselves.
	That's why loads of them did identify with Ken.
	Yeah, I know.
	Maybe one day we can rise up and overthrow the matriarchy.
	On the invisible horses, boys.
	Only way out is through.
	The other interesting thing I found is that he looked at the percentage of trust in so-called manosphere figures, and I think this is also part of the dispossession, because if you look recently, Jordan Peterson, particularly among men 18 to 23, is down to 10%, whereas Tate is outstripping him 2 to 1.
	The voice for men at 16%, that's impressive.
	That's pronounced among a particular demographic as well.
	That'll be, that'll be, that'll be later.
	But one of the reasons for that is because Peterson doesn't use TikTok, whereas most of these men in this age demographic are purely on TikTok, whereas Peterson's more on Twitter and Daily Wire.
	And he's also lent more into, after coming out of his coma, politics rather than men's issues.
	This is one of the critiques I have, I think, of Professor Peterson, who I really admire, is that I think he's more effective when he's talking about personal responsibility than to world leaders, even.
	Well, I mean, he's a psychologist.
	Yeah.
	And it also seems that he has his life put together, therefore he is a leading example, whereas I would say Tate not so much.
	The other interesting thing as well was the percentage of minorities who consume Manosphere content.
	Oh yeah.
	So if I find the actual thing here.
	So it says particularly black men watching MGTOW content, which is quite surprising.
	Watching what?
	MGTOW content.
	Men avoiding women content.
	Yeah, men going their own way.
	So like monk mode, right?
	Yeah.
	So monk mode.
	Here it says men feel more accepted when they act manly.
	The vast majority of black American men, say 67%, I feel praised and accepted when I act manly.
	So not emotionally incontinent, not men need feminism, as Caitlin Moran says overwhelmingly more than 50% do.
	The interesting thing here is that MGTOW content is pronounced among black men.
	And again, going back to the single motherhood epidemic, why do you think that predominantly black men would go, I'm writing off women if lots of women in their subculture are exactly like the single mothers that raised them?
	So again, more feminism might not be the solution.
	I saw an earlier post in this thread that said that young men like Donald Trump, trust Donald Trump more than almost anything else.
	I said, well, that's good.
	Yes.
	Well, that's the interesting thing that someone observed.
	There was a Hill survey that came out that said 12th graders, so 17 to 18, have been registered as a factor of two to one more conservative than women who are trending more left wing.
	Yeah.
	So the people that are about to flood into the voting base are young men who are definitely going to vote Trump.
	Why did Gen Z men trust Beyonce?
	I don't know.
	What would, what, would trust her to do what?
	At least Andrew Tate's ahead of him.
	Yeah.
	Well, Joe Rogan's below Andrew Tate, which is kind of disappointing.
	Yeah, but I'll just take anything at this point.
	I wouldn't take Tate.
	I'll put it that way.
	Definitely not.
	I'd take Beyonce, but I don't know for what reasons we're on about at the moment.
	I get the feeling she comes packaged with a whole bundle of issues.
	I think she's a Satanist, isn't she?
	I don't know.
	She's had demonic imagery in it before.
	Very questionable.
	Do you think that Beyonce lives in domestic bliss with her husband?
	No, not with Jay-Z.
	Also, mid.
	Yeah.
	Definitely not.
	Give me Sidney Sweeney.
	More or less mid than Margot Robbie.
	Less.
	No, wait.
	Margot Robbie's more attractive than Fiona Tiller.
	Absolutely.
	Come on.
	So the pathology is often mid.
	So as soon as people have come out and said, well, you know, men are suffering, then we get women trying to stigmatize male competence.
	Yes.
	And so, cowboy mentality has been blamed for the worsening suicide rate.
	Ah, yes.
	Men self-report the fact that 85% of them said as soon as they hear toxic masculinity, they're turned off.
	Overwhelmingly, 50 to 70% said, when I act like a man, when I'm embodied, when I'm filled with testosterone, I feel better, so give me roles to do that.
	And a woman swoops in and says, actually, have you considered crying?
	That'll make you feel much better.
	And what I love about this picture here is average cowboy there.
	Yes.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Cowboy sippin' on a soy latte.
	He's definitely riding something.
	Actual Californian soy boy doesn't represent what you're trying to describe it.
	Yes.
	So, a cowboy mentality of wanting to man up could be a factor in the epidemic of male loneliness, a New York University professor, Niobe Way, implied on Sunday.
	Oh, I don't need her opinion on anything.
	The experts have weighed in, right?
	Many boys are raised with what she calls the cowboy mentality.
	Professor Niobe has got an opinion on men's issues, okay.
	I'm sure she has a very stable and loving relationship.
	Oh dear.
	I can do it myself, I don't need others, that's the mentality.
	Often perpetuated by the father wanting the son to man up and not be so soft.
	The whole model of getting help is part of so-called femininity, the article that she wrote reads.
	Yes, all those present fathers.
	Definitely not a problem of not having enough fathers in the home.
	And the thing is that's not even true, right?
	Like, getting help is perfectly acceptable as a man, right?
	I mean, literally, you know, Your liege lord comes along and goes, I need the banner, man.
	He's saying I need help.
	That's fine.
	It's the purpose of the help and the way it's delivered and the way it's asked for that is the issue.
	If you go to your neighbor and say, can I borrow your spanner, please?
	It's totally fine.
	He'll lend you a spanner.
	You'll get it back.
	You know, can you show me how to fix the engine in the sky?
	That's fine.
	It's the activity itself and the way that the help is asked for.
	That's the problem.
	It's not asking for help.
	Like what their complaint is.
	I need help because I want someone to hear me blub for an hour.
	It's like, no, you're not supposed to blub for an hour.
	Help should be translated as therapy in... Yeah, yeah.
	When they say help, they mean therapy.
	Yeah, and this is why the meme goes around of men will literally go to X before... Men will start a podcast, hello, before going to therapy.
	Like, yes.
	Yeah, because we actually find that practical avenues to demonstrate our worth is what proves ourselves to ourselves.
	Just sitting around admiring in emotion, we don't need the validation.
	We need to be tested.
	Men will literally perform a perfect 256-man Macedonian phalanx before going to... Yeah, yeah.
	Men will literally sack Rome.
	Fingers combs.
	You know, he had his benefits.
	He didn't have mental health problems, did he?
	He wasn't like, I'm depressed.
	I can't get out of bed.
	If only someone would hit me cry for a bit.
	It wasn't his problem.
	So this is how pathological this woman is, right?
	There's a quote in here.
	Quote, women end up being the therapist for their husband and they're getting sick of it.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I thought we were supposed to have a relationship where we agreed on the direction of travel, and we're meant to be open and communicative with each other, and we're meant to be decisive.
	And, you know, maybe if I have a roof over your head, you might listen to my concerns.
	But is that not what we're doing here?
	All I'm saying, then, is never show weakness in front of a woman.
	Unfortunately.
	It shouldn't be that way, but... I don't know if weakness is the right way to frame it, though.
	Like, you shouldn't be blubbing.
	Yes.
	That's not the way you should express yourself.
	You should comport yourself in such a way where that doesn't come to mind.
	But you should be able to voice your grievances and complaints and ask questions.
	But she's saying, like, you should outsource all of your emotional intimacy to a paid professional.
	Thank you, Californian.
	Not great.
	Wayne Green's diagnosis resembles the American Psychological Association APA guidelines from 2019.
	I don't know if you've heard of this.
	They suggested, quote, the main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance, and aggression is on the whole harmful.
	So masculinity, but not to men, was included as a mental illness, whereas other things aren't.
	harmful to who and by what standard the longhouse exactly the longhouse by the standards of feminism yes so never take advice from someone who regards your means of competence as a pathology um and also scarcely take advice from women on how to be a man i would suggest so so let's unless it's michelle obama no i think this statement still stands Carry on.
	So, what are the solutions?
	Here's actually a man writing about it, and I was shocked that the New Statesman published this piece.
	Because usually they're an enemy publication, and he poses some interesting suggestions.
	There's a good diagnosis here.
	Okay.
	So, the disruption of the link between working-class men and parties of the centre-left is an epochal event, driven by Western deindustrialisation and the withering of union power, and greater automation.
	So, the industrial revolution, leading to the sexual revolution, leading to dispossession.
	But it's, he makes an interesting point here because the average trade union member is now a middle-aged white woman.
	Yes.
	And they're less focused on material gains and more focused on diversity and inclusion.
	So male concerns have been subordinated to female reputation and construction concerns.
	And also, you know, I'm in the labor union.
	I work in HR.
	Yes.
	The labor union.
	Yes.
	Labor.
	My work is henpecking.
	Yeah.
	Thanks.
	Despite the optimism that disruption would ultimately provide better outcomes, wages have declined in real terms since the 80s across the West.
	I wonder why that was.
	Maybe that was the mass influx of more populations into the workforce.
	Honestly, I think it's also like that, you know, that what happened in 1971.
	Yes.
	Probably to do with that as well.
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Yeah.
	The base of the money supply.
	We'll have to ask Dan.
	It's a war on two fronts, I would say.
	I think it's probably a war on more than two fronts, but anyway, sorry.
	This period has coincided with the acceleration of female workplace participation, declining fertility, liberalising norms around divorce, homosexuality and casual sex, and the arrival of the internet.
	All things I'm against.
	It has proved the perfect breeding ground- The internet!
	I'm waiting for the Chinese to EMP us back to feudalism.
	For conspiracies and ideologies that appeal to men who feel discarded by society, faced with the paradox of a society whose value system and culture have become ever more radically egalitarian, even as economic divides have widened and work and education become more competitive, there is a natural opening for an ideology that simply dismisses egalitarianism as a lie and promises to give you the key to winning the RID game.
	I like what I'm hearing.
	This is where Andrew Tate comes in.
	Kind of, yeah.
	Because this is exactly what he's saying.
	He's an adaptation to the paradigm, rather than the rejection of the paradigm.
	Sure.
	But he does promote a rejection of the paradigm.
	No, he doesn't.
	In a way, he does.
	No.
	I think it's all for commercial aspects, though.
	I don't think he believes it.
	Yes.
	Well, I'm not saying he believes it.
	I think, I think, you know, credit where it's due, I think the guy's a genius because he's seen this as, like, a really good marketing ploy.
	Like, you know, initially, I was like, oh, this guy's pretty good.
	Until I then looked in more, but most people then don't really do, they're looking into it more, do they?
	I was like, yeah, he's saying all the right things.
	It's like, oh, a Pimpin' Hoes degree and you like to hit women.
	Yeah.
	Okay, I think you're just talking crap.
	Speaking about Attila the Hun, he reminds me of the barbarian warlord who arrives as the civilization's falling to sack it.
	And the reason is, he doesn't speak about the ambiguous complementarity of men and women, for example.
	He says you've got to have a fleet of Bugatti's akin to your legion of horses to then ride out and be so dominant in Darwinian fashion that these materialistic women fall at your feet because they are basically intimidated by your resources.
	It's not about complementarity and love.
	It's about commanding submission.
	And so that's actually a precarious place to rest your manhood on.
	I agree.
	And the only person that can rest his manhood on that is Andrew Tate because everyone else is paying to learn how to be Andrew Tate.
	It's a pretty narrow pyramid that he's at the top of.
	Exactly.
	So I don't think he's a solution to the paradigm, I think he's just exploiting the existing structure.
	So he won't actually get out of it.
	I'm not saying he's a solution, but he's not promoting the egalitarian paradigm.
	No, he's not, but he is working within it.
	Sure, sure.
	There's definitely room for him to manoeuvre, but that's because they've left such an open ground in healthy male behaviours.
	If we actually had a healthy, constructive view of masculinity, Andrew Tate wouldn't exist.
	Exactly.
	This is one of the lines in here.
	He says, for many who take the red pill, it's the old idea of a steady girlfriend, a fulfilling job that they long for.
	That's all they're just asking.
	Oh, the red pill!
	What would you like?
	I'd like a girlfriend and a job!
	Oh, I'm so red-pilled.
	Oh, God, it's tragic.
	Yeah, I'd like lots of responsibilities and things to pay for.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Fascist.
	I'd like people to not hate me for being a man.
	Well, a West Australian disagrees with that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Sorry, small child.
	Yeah, you're gonna get mocked in the Barbie film for that opinion.
	What's going on?
	Unlike old-school conservatism, there is no patriarchal concern for the well-being of women, nor any idealistic essentialization of women as gentle souls.
	With the red pill, Tomasi advises men not to get married, avoid family creation if they want to become high-value men.
	The red pill is a response to being oppressed, that's why.
	Yes.
	What would be the patriarchal concern about women if they are above you and you feel they have The longhouse bearing down on you.
	Why would you have concern for your oppressor?
	That's what they're saying.
	Yes, it's purely retaliatory, which is exactly right.
	Yeah, this is why I don't think it's a solution, but I'm not sure it's come about.
	It's totally inevitable.
	Yes.
	And then, Tate built a porn empire.
	Video games, pop culture, and porn are at once the enemy, but they're also the model.
	The world is a game, one that you can win with the exploits and character build.
	Well, it's just stigmatizing.
	It's stigmatizing those people who actually don't want to be losers.
	But also like this, I just find this fascinating.
	So women don't like losers, but why have you turned all men into losers?
	Why have you done that then?
	It becomes an absurd rape fantasy about women falling at the feet of comic-working barbarians.
	Well, it's just stigmatizing those people who actually don't want to be losers.
	But also, I just find this fascinating.
	It's like, women don't like losers.
	Well, why have you turned all men into losers?
	Why have you done that then?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	There's a good line there.
	The red pill moment occurs when men realize that the lessons of nice left liberal culture don't actually help them to succeed.
	Basically, yeah.
	Actually.
	And that's the egalitarian culture that's actually rigged against them.
	Yeah, it is actually kind of a zero-sum game in this paradigm.
	This is what we were talking about with Ivan Illich in The Evil Origins of Feminism.
	When culture is directing men and women down the same avenues of competence, you've not made them men and women as in irreplaceable constituents of a household working together for the same ideal.
	You've made them squabbling siblings, and so we're in the sibling economy.
	And that's why we're actually less attracted to each other, because we're more alike, but less compatible than ever.
	And it's no surprise that men are like, you know, I don't like this.
	Yep.
	And so what's, what's the solution in this article?
	Many looking at the man who's field will only draw negative lessons.
	How do I keep my son away from this?
	We need to sit boys down and explain why Andrew Tate is bad.
	Many women will say that.
	Yes.
	But it's a worldview that has emerged in the vacuum of the left that sees masculinity as regressive and has ceased offering coherent critiques of capitalism, individualism, and globalization.
	The best way to push back against the manosphere is not censorship, or yet more, we need to educate boys not to be sexist.
	Rather, we need to offer better modes of social critique that allow men and women alike to make sense of the world.
	Rather than a politics of individualism, men and women alike are crying out for solidarity.
	Instead of masculinity that thinks of relationships in terms of conquest and status, we need to make men and boys alive to grace, gift, and common purpose.
	I mean, in a way, yes, but also in a way, no, like say, oh, what we need is better critique.
	No, that's not the problem.
	We've had way too much critique.
	What we need are solid normative value systems where we can say you as a man should do this.
	And then a young man's like, yeah, this really complicated world.
	But if I get this apprenticeship and start, you know, hammering on the thing I'm supposed to hammer on, eventually I'll have a house and a wife and kids.
	I just hammer enough, you know, on the, on the anvil of whatever I'm supposed to do.
	That's, I think, really just most normal young men.
	That's all they really want.
	Yeah.
	Vocations and avenues for practical application.
	And most people aren't like 130 IQ autists.
	Again, hello.
	They just learn things through habit.
	And when you've revoked habits, you revoke the cultural safety net that catches people that fall through the cracks.
	And so you've done a great disservice to these men and women who just aren't as engaged with stuff like this as well.
	They just, they just want a life path that they can follow securely.
	Yeah, well, one thing we were talking about off-air is how rewarding manual labour jobs are.
	I was digging gardens and putting up fences before this, and you were making something tangible before you.
	You're serving a useful purpose.
	You're making something beautiful, frankly.
	And the fact that you are knackered at the end of the day, and you step in the shower, and you get all the mud off, and your muscles ache.
	There's a sense of fulfillment there from how exhausted you are because you proved yourself to yourself.
	You don't get that from being Dino typing in his marketing job with muscles massive, but the strength actually doesn't go away.
	I sent 500 emails today.
	Great job, Dino.
	Off your pumpties for your 500.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Time to go to the gym.
	Here's where we lack solutions, okay?
	This article.
	In praise of heroic masculinity.
	The Atlantic.
	Surprising.
	By Caitlin Flanagan.
	Yes.
	Which?
	And again, you know what?
	She's probably not.
	She's not.
	I don't know.
	She's actually very, very sympathetic.
	But sympathetic to the problems that can't provide a solution.
	Because you just don't know.
	It's like I wouldn't presume to tell women how to deal with menstruation, for example.
	I just wouldn't.
	Because I'm never going to experience that.
	I'm never going to talk about the physical sensations of childbirth.
	Because that would be mad.
	So to try and talk about the solutions for men from an embodied perspective.
	You just sort of can't.
	Look at that tagline, teach boys that strength can be a virtue.
	In no other period of history has that been necessary because all of the cultural messaging that young men would have had was predicated on the idea that strength is a virtue.
	But they're also more embodied, again.
	Grit strength has declined.
	It's not even grit strength, it's moral strength, if nothing else.
	It's not even, I mean, obviously physical strength is an important part, but just the strength to hold the line on your own standards and your own red lines.
	But I think they're interconnected.
	This is something that I'm going to nick from Stephanie.
	I keep getting sacked.
	This is something Stefan Molyneux said the other day, actually, so I'm going to steal it.
	It's that you don't know what you believe until you're strong.
	Because if you operate in the world from a position of physical weakness, you actually can't assert yourself because you're constantly afraid of being physically overpowered.
	And this is something Nina Powerpointed that to me.
	The etymology of virtue is actually from virility.
	It's implicitly associated with masculinity and testosterone.
	So you do actually need to be embodied.
	Like, ditch fluoride toothpaste, start eating meat, take cold showers.
	Because if you introduce difficulty back into your life, That's just decadent.
	You look like Shrek in that bloody tub in your back garden.
	But if you reintroduce that difficulty in a very comfortable world, you will feel more ingrained with yourself and you will feel more assertive.
	Like you'll be speaking with your chest rather than being a chestless man.
	And so there's some good bits in this article.
	Like she points out toxic masculinity was coined in the 1980s by Shepard Bliss and he was trying to create the mythopoetic manhood moment.
	So he was trying to distinguish healthy masculinity from the kind of masculinity he'd grown up with, with his dad, where his mum was being beaten up.
	So he had good intentions, but it's just been co-opted by the feminists.
	And then, so she starts pointing out the obvious.
	If the noun masculinity can be modified by the adjective toxic, then there must exist its opposite, which can be revealed by a different adjective.
	What is it?
	The opposite of toxic masculinity is heroic masculinity.
	It's all around us.
	You depend on it for your safety, as does the author.
	It is also entirely taken for granted, even reviled until trouble comes.
	And it is ungratefully demanded by the people who usually decry it.
	It's like the concept.
	Heidegger has a concept called unready to hand about technology.
	You don't realize the device you're using until it breaks.
	And so you don't realize the virtue of men until you can't open a pickle jar or you need someone to rescue you from a burning building.
	And so we've entered such a comfortable, gynocratic, longhouse society that until a proper crisis strikes...
	We won't be able to reveal the virtues of masculinity.
	Toxic and heroic masculinity can exist in the same man.
	There are plenty of examples of a bad man who sees something unjust and who suddenly, if only for five minutes, takes time to stop another man from harming someone else, puts a stop to it.
	For that tiny stretch of time, he's connected with greatness.
	And it concludes with, what if we understood that boys are born into a destiny, but not a pathology?
	But this is frustrating because you can say all this as an abstraction, but you're not living it.
	Yes.
	And so it compounds this, this problem here, which comes back to Tate.
	And she says, have you ever noticed there are a lot of otherwise reasonable young men who admire Andrew Tate, a vile and widely watched influencer facing charges of rape, human trafficking, or organized crime, which he denies?
	That is because the only thing they've been taught about masculinity is that it's a dangerous and suspicious and possibly socially constructed fantasy they must cast off in every way possible.
	They're so confused that when they finally see a thug like Tate reveling in his talk of dominating and abusing women, they think he's admirable, at least he isn't telling them that they're bad seeds.
	If we don't give these boys positive examples of strength and virtue, they will look elsewhere.
	But you aren't one.
	I'm sorry, I understand the principle of saying this.
	I agree, totally.
	Name them.
	But you can't, because you conflate Peterson and Tate in the same sentence.
	You don't know what positive examples of strength are, because you can't manifest that.
	But also, like you said, it's nowhere instantiated in the world.
	I always come back to the example of my son being told at school, he shouldn't punch someone who punched him in the first place.
	He shouldn't punch them back.
	I was told that all the time.
	Yeah, I know.
	And I, I had a big argument with the school about this.
	I was like, I don't care what you say.
	He's got my authorization.
	Yeah.
	Schools draw false equivalencies between the person that instigates the person who retaliates.
	It's a woman who is in charge.
	Yes.
	I fought a bully at school and, uh, you know, obviously went to the headmaster and, um, they're like, well Callum, you can't be doing this.
	I was like, I can't promise that because I've been brought up to do what's right and sometimes doing what's right involves... like I mentioned last time I was here, every man has a monster inside him.
	A good man knows when to use it.
	I was like, if someone's picking on my friends again, I'm going to have to fight them.
	It's just what it is.
	And you know, but he's right.
	Like I think every man has a right of passage to be a man must get punched.
	Yeah.
	I think every man at some point in their life must get punched.
	I don't think you know how to become a man unless you, it's almost like learning boundaries.
	You know, you push things too far and you get hit.
	You go, Oh, okay.
	I kind of know where the line is now, but.
	You also know how it feels to kind of be a confrontation and you learn from it.
	Unify it, manual labour, be a dad.
	I think those are three very strong participation rituals to be able to call yourself a man.
	And so I just wanted to finish with a little thing that I wrote a little while ago because I can't really put it any way better than this.
	Kelly J Keane.
	She's fought to let women speak, voicing their concerns about men entering their protected spaces.
	On matters concerning men, I think men would quite like to do the same.
	So if mainstream platforms would allow us to fix our own problems rather than letting us keep being henpecked, we'd really appreciate it.
	I don't think we've got to ask like that.
	Oh yeah, yeah, I put in there.
	Take it!
	Please!
	Take it!
	We're asking from basically the same position that the feminists were before when they were saying, constantly bringing up proof of patriarchy, that we can't vote.
	It's like, well, we can't even talk.
	So what now?
	Who's got the whip hand here?
	Speaking of the efficacy of voting, let's talk about America's two-tiered justice system.
	Because this has become just undeniable at this point.
	There are just some unbelievably good examples of how America operates on a system where it is, if you are politically on one side of the fence, You are forgiven for everything, and if you are politically on the other side of the fence, you are unfairly persecuted.
	Friend-enemy distinction in play.
	Or you could say it's repressive tolerance, which I think would be more accurate.
	We have actually done quite a lot of repressive tolerance on the website, but for this one, Harry recently published an article called On the Difficulty of Right-Wing Organization, and you are going to see a lot of that in this segment.
	This is a great article, by the way.
	I read it before the thing, and you should go and read it too.
	It's absolutely free.
	The reason I bring up friend-enemy in here is because Harry does mention it.
	He does.
	Because he speaks about the fact that there are people in the anti-woke coalition who exist, who promote their principles as some kind of abstraction that sandbags any ability for us to retaliate against our enemies because we are being unilaterally persecuted.
	Yes.
	It's the same principle that Schmidt had.
	It said, like, the liberal, when asked, Christ or Barabbas, will convene a committee and decide.
	And by the time that they finish deciding, the person is already crucified.
	Yeah.
	But the friend-enemy distinction is just the right-wing version of repressive tolerance, really.
	It's the same principle.
	Anyway, so, Enrique Tarrio, the ex-chairman of the Proud Boys, was sentenced to 22 years in prison for his part in the January the 6th riots.
	Is this the guy that was in Maryland when it happened?
	Yeah, he wasn't there.
	Literally wasn't even there, he was in Maryland.
	He was also literally banned from Washington DC.
	Yeah, because there was a warrant out for his arrest and about something else.
	So he wasn't even there.
	The New York Times, Washington Post tells us, Tarrio was convicted even though he wasn't in Washington on January the 6th.
	He's been arrested two days earlier for burning a Black Lives Matter flag torn down from a DC church.
	Tells you everything about the problems in America.
	During an earlier protest following Trump's defeat and was banned from the city as a result.
	Now, I will say, probably a silly move to take the flag down and burn it down in front of the church.
	And it'll get you banned from Washington D.C.
	Yes, but whatever.
	However, I would also be far more furious had they not been burning down lots of other churches and sent Trump into the underground White House bunker on 529, which should have been counted as an insurrection.
	Yeah, if they hadn't burned down so many cities, I might be more sympathetic to the BLM case.
	But Tarrio himself was convicted of seditious conspiracy and obstructing the congressional proceeding meant to confirm the 2020 election.
	He wasn't there.
	He physically was not there.
	So I can't say I really think this is a just sentence, personally.
	Didn't he basically just send a text with the Ashtar car line, we're winning, lads?
	Yeah, basically, yeah.
	I've been watching the football.
	Prosecutors said he had recruited people to join in a violent assault on the Capitol to keep Trump in power and messaged them, quote, don't effing leave.
	Oh, so he works for the FBI?
	So no, no, they were in there.
	And he was like, don't leave.
	They're like, oh, this is seditious conspiracy.
	You are overthrowing a republic in a city you're not even allowed in.
	You're not present, but you are the ringleader of all of this.
	And so, of all of the, there have been five Proud Boys, I believe, who have been sentenced, he got the worst.
	A lot of them have been getting 17 years, 15 years, 10 years, he got 22 years.
	This is symbolic though.
	Do you remember when...
	When on the debate stage, Trump was asked about the Proud Boys and he just said, stand back and stand by, and they used a clip to recycle that saying, oh, they're basically the paramilitary wing of the MAGA Republic.
	They are anchoring this on him because he is just a symbol.
	It doesn't matter whether he was there or not, how effective they are, how extremist they are, because they're not.
	It's just, it's a cudgel they can use.
	There are people in prison still who haven't even had a trial yet, haven't they?
	Yeah, Josh has re-spoken to one of them, again, still.
	We have interviews with them on the website, because this is such an obvious miscarriage of justice.
	It's so obviously political.
	This is what I just don't get with the modern world.
	We complain, and most people, you see so many people these days, they'll complain on Twitter.
	I'm like, okay.
	What are you going to do?
	Well, I'm like, no, no, come on.
	Like, if you really feel strongly about it, you know, I've been inside migrant camps.
	Why?
	Because I feel strongly about it.
	I want to go and expose this stuff.
	I go in the hotels.
	I'll go and piss people off in the street.
	But everyone else is just, oh, I'm going to tweet, retweet, retweet.
	Let's do something.
	There's actually a lot of us.
	If we just do something, this will be done.
	It's like with all the mortgage rates and all that.
	Oh, it's screwing us all over.
	Well, let's do something.
	There's a lot of... The problem is, people don't know what to do.
	That's the problem.
	When someone does something like... I mean, a riot, I think, is the best description for it, but it was supposed to be a protest.
	Okay, that's a protest.
	It's not an attempt to overthrow the Republic in arms.
	Of all the countries in all the world with guns, the fact that not a single one of them had a weapon kind of shows me that it wasn't a coup.
	Except for the policeman that shot Ashley Babbitt.
	We'll get him.
	Let's carry on, right?
	Because there's just loads here, right?
	So a bunch of other of them were convicted.
	They wanted terrorism charges for Tarrio, the prosecutors.
	But the judge was like, well, there's no evidence that Tarrio, not there at the time, was planning on committing mass casualties in DC.
	So we can't actually give him a terrorism charge.
	Because none of them were with guns.
	He wasn't there at all.
	And they didn't seem to have a plan to blow everyone up.
	Oh, thank God for small mercy.
	Oh, they seem reasonable.
	Yeah, very reasonable.
	Exactly.
	He's not a terrorist.
	He's just a seditious conspiracist who's trying to overthrow the Republic.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Totally reasonable.
	Right.
	But Tario himself has completely capitulated to all of these.
	I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	I was watching media that told me my anger was justified.
	I do not think what happened that day is acceptable.
	And to be fair, I don't blame him for just Essentially falling on the mercy of an obviously political party.
	But they're going to do it anyway.
	Exactly.
	I don't blame him, but we learn nothing.
	Like you say sorry, like they did a family guy about when Brian said sorry and they still go for it.
	Yeah.
	But the thing is they may well have been like, you know what?
	Yeah, it was terrorism.
	You do get the full picture.
	So I don't blame him for doing that.
	There's, you know, you are right.
	They're going to do it anyway, but who knows?
	Right.
	Um, so anyway.
	Even his lawyers pointing out that kind of he was a fed wasn't good enough.
	Apparently.
	His lawyers pointed out the history of working with law enforcement.
	Court records show that he previously worked undercover for investigators during a 2012 fraud case he was involved in.
	I don't know anything about it.
	I'm not going to say he's a fed.
	I was just joking.
	That was well before the Proud Boys were even started.
	It was well before the Proud Boys.
	So who knows?
	But the point is, it doesn't matter what your history or past history of service is, if you fall on the wrong side of the dividing line of politics, you will get absolutely creamed by the status quo.
	And so that brings us to Mr. Ray Epps.
	Oh, yeah, he's going to get done, isn't he?
	Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol!
	Into the Capitol!
	What?
	No!
	Peacefully!
	Fed!
	Tomorrow, I don't even like to say it because I'll be arrested.
	Well, let's not say it.
	We need, we need to go.
	I'll say it.
	All right.
	We need to go in.
	Shut the fuck up, Boomer.
	To the Capitol.
	Based Fed posting?
	We need to go into the Capitol.
	I didn't see that coming.
	OK.
	Our president is not speaking.
	We are going to the Capitol where our problems are.
	It's that direction.
	Please spread the word.
	All right, no Dave, but one more thing.
	Can we go up there?
	No.
	When we go in.
	Are we going to get arrested if we go up there?
	You don't need to get shot.
	Are you going to arrest us all?
	So we'll leave that there because that's going on, but as you can see there's plenty of footage of raps.
	Not just at the protest, but actively organizing people to go into the Capitol.
	What's fascinating is when Ted Cruz asked the FBI head about this, he said, were there federal agents on January 6th?
	I can't comment.
	It was Ray Epps, the FBI informant.
	Oh, I can't comment?
	Not a no then?
	Yeah, and in fact, if you look at Reapzz, so Reapzz has not been charged with anything, right?
	So he can be there, he can be on camera multiple times, telling people, you must go into the Capitol.
	Inciting trespassing.
	At the very least, right?
	He can literally be at the barricade trying to get people to go in, and he gets charged with nothing.
	Do you know the New Times actually wrote a puff piece on him?
	I'll get to that in a second, because it's mad, right?
	So on the Wikipedia page, just quoting from there, Tucker Carlson kept bringing up Re-Epps, good man, saying that he essentially stage managed the insurrection, which kind of looked like he was.
	And in 2021, a video of Ray Epps was played by Republican Congressman Thomas Massey during a House Oversight hearing.
	Massey asked Merrick Garland, the Attorney General, why Epps had not been charged with any crime, and Garland refused to comment.
	What could possibly be the reason?
	Unless, I mean, and this is why everyone thinks, well, chanting fed.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	And they, and what cracks me up is the autistic zoomers instantly answered.
	No, wait, this guy's trying to hurt us.
	You're glowing like a worm.
	Exactly.
	And it's a guy called baked Alaska.
	Like, you know, some of, some of the, um, best and brightest of the, uh, group of Twitter, uh, who instantly clocked, Oh no, we shouldn't do that.
	That's a good idea.
	Uh, don't do that.
	This guy's a fed.
	Right.
	And so, I mean, they went in anyway.
	idiots but um but the point is you know it became instantly obvious that this guy is not one of them uh and then he starts getting loads of favorable coverage as you said there were you know lots of puff pieces this is just one of many puff pieces that portray him as the victim of his attempt at an insurrection i suppose Like, look at the title there.
	Jan Six Prosthester, now at the center of a far-right conspiracy, says he relives the Capitol riot every day.
	Where he's yelling, GO IN!
	GO IN!
	Why did you say it?
	Conspiracy is his own words.
	Exactly!
	You're the head of the conspiracy!
	It's very 1984, isn't it?
	Deceive your own eyes.
	Do not believe what you're seeing.
	It's mad.
	And listen to this write-up, right?
	What do you think you would have to do to get a write-up like this, right?
	For millions of consumers of conservative news, Ray Epps is a notorious villain, a provocateur responsible for turning peaceful protests on January 6th into a violent assault on the Capitol.
	I think that's only because they watched the video of him doing it, right?
	That's only because of that, right?
	The irony is that Epps was a passionate supporter of President Trump, but it's often his contradictory behavior that they spawned a full-fledged conspiracy theory, casting him as a government agent who cited an insurrection.
	Today, Epps is in hiding after death threats forced him to sell his home.
	So who is Ray Epps?
	Tonight, you'll hear from the government and the man himself.
	What do I have to do to get that kind of sympathetic write-up from CBS?
	Tonight you will hear the truth from the defendant and the accused.
	Mariana Spring didn't even reach us for comment.
	No, no, no, no, exactly.
	I get blocked when I say that's not correct, right?
	And so then we go to him, he's suing Fox News for these various claims.
	What were you doing?
	I'll tell you why this won't go anywhere.
	discovery.
	Well, yeah.
	So this won't actually happen.
	Because otherwise, reps would have to turn over plenty of things, as with the intelligence services.
	This is just for headlines.
	I think it would go somewhere because as we've seen the past few years, evidence doesn't matter.
	Yeah, true, fair point.
	Well, yeah, I mean, if you can be convicted of organizing the crime while you're in the city, while in the face of a guy saying, go over there, then yeah, you're right.
	It's like, you know, the George Floyd stuff, like, oh, no, you know, Derek Chauvin killed him.
	Firstly, one, you hear the man say, I can't breathe while stood up.
	While he's sat in the police car.
	And then he actually, they even looked at this in court, he moves his knee from further up his back to lower it.
	And like, so the evidence here literally like contradicts everything you say.
	Yes.
	Guilty.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, so let's talk about the police officer who shot Ashley Babbitt.
	This was a man called... I do have his name here, I just can't remember who it is.
	He is there somewhere.
	Lieutenant Michael Bird?
	That's it.
	Yeah, Lieutenant Michael Leroy Bird.
	But look, I mean, look at this though, right?
	So his name was known to US Capitol Police, Congressional staffers, and federal investigations, but no one would divulge it.
	Why?
	He shot someone.
	No comment.
	In a crowded hallway with his other colleagues.
	When they were flanked by police officers being walked around.
	Yes.
	An unarmed person who wasn't doing anything.
	I mean, there were other people trying to break in, but she wasn't.
	So why did she get shot, you know?
	And it's a shot blindly round the corner of a door.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's mental, right?
	And so, I mean.
	Needless to say, Babbitt's family are like, well, uh, they're protecting this man.
	This is political.
	This is not about justice.
	Or a conspiracy theorist.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Mental.
	Because your daughter was just murdered for no reason.
	Just because they all know who he is, but no one will divulge it.
	That's no reason to think there's some sort of conspiracy.
	I mean, that's real toxic masculinity right there.
	Anyway, so finally we get to know who he is and then he's just cleared of all wrongdoing without even being interviewed about what happened.
	Isn't that mad?
	But he gets an interview with the mainstream press to clear his name.
	Exactly.
	And then he's the victim of the woman he shot, is how this is being portrayed.
	He went on NBC Nightly News to tell his side of the shooting.
	And killing of unarmed rioter Ashley Babbitt.
	Oh, he's such a victim here.
	How could she have done this to him?
	Look at his watery eyes, like he's crying.
	So, yeah, she's just left.
	She's just walked on the end of my bullet.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It wasn't my fault.
	But as the family attorney, Terry Roberts for the Babbitt family says, he didn't provide any statement to criminal investigators and they didn't push him to make a statement.
	It's astonishing how skimpy his investigative file is.
	That's wild, isn't it?
	Paying no attention to the murderer behind the curtain.
	Exactly, right?
	And so I thought we'd just finish on this last thing, which now, I mean, you might expect something like this to happen in Britain, but you wouldn't expect something like this to happen in America, because you would think the First Amendment would prevent this kind of thing.
	But there was a social media influencer called Douglas Mackey, who used to run an anonymous Twitter account called Ricky Vaughn.
	Ricky Vaughn was an alt-right Twitter account.
	And you might wonder, what happened to this guy?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because he was, you know, you'd see his memes around.
	Yeah, memes.
	Right.
	He's a meme account who had the Charlie Sheen with the MAGA cap on.
	Right.
	And everyone knew who he was, you know.
	But it turns out this guy was a guy called Douglas Mackey from Florida.
	And he was convicted, as the United States Attorney Office tells us, by a federal jury in Brooklyn of the charge of conspiracy against rights This is a meme account on Twitter stemming from his scheme to deprive individuals of their constitutional right to vote.
	Oh yes.
	What could he have possibly done?
	Like what systems did he interfere with?
	Who was, was he fiddling with the ballot box?
	Was he messing around with the dominion voting systems?
	Did he burst that pipe in Georgia?
	Exactly.
	Was he a voter who was born on the 1st of January, 1900 in Philadelphia?
	Who knows what he could have done well.
	The attorney's office tells us Mackie conspired with other influential Twitter users.
	Okay, I'm not hearing where the depriving of votes come from here.
	Groyper29784.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Son of a bitch.
	We've got you now, Ricky Bourne.
	Right.
	And other members of private online groups to use social media platforms.
	How is anyone deprived of a vote using a social media platform?
	Including Twitter, to disseminate fraudulent messages that encourage supporters of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to vote via text message or social media, which in reality is legally invalid.
	If you fall for that, you do not deserve to participate in the voting process anyway.
	But that's not depriving anyone of their vote, because even if they did that, they could be like, oh wait, that doesn't work, I'm just going to go down and vote anyway.
	Do you reckon anyone laughed in court when the evidence was shown?
	It's a Brooklyn jury, I don't think so.
	Imagine if the judge giggled.
	Quite funny, but guilty.
	It's so preposterous that this is the thing he is in jail for right now.
	He's in jail.
	This carries 10 years.
	Meanwhile, as we've seen recently with Laura Loomer's investigation, there are actual possible As Of Battalion members who have shown up at rallies saying they support Joe Biden, not been arrested, you can tell them by their face tattoos, and mysteriously, they're at January 6th taking photos with Jacob Chansley, the QAnon shaman.
	And why are these people just allowed to roam the streets?
	And even weirder, Antifa don't turn up.
	To the guys who have literally got Nazi flags, who are literally zig hailing and screeching about Jews and white race and what not.
	And who are nowhere to be seen.
	Curious.
	It is very strange.
	But anyway.
	Memes are way worse.
	Another thing that happened literally just before we went live is that apparently Owen Schreier, the InfoWars host, is being investigated as well for political commentary, which I assume somehow also connects to all of this.
	What, because he was on the ground while there?
	Yeah, like I said, it happened literally just before the podcast, so I haven't managed to look into it, which is why I haven't properly included it.
	But Owen Troyer is also under the eye of Sauron as well.
	And if you can go to jail for 10 years for posting a meme, then I would suggest that possibly he's in trouble as well.
	I'm pretty concerned because I went to America back in 2018.
	So I might get arrested for all this because, you know, well, you don't have to be in the same city and you get arrested.
	I was in DC in July.
	I almost went there.
	Let's hope you don't get extradited by Rishi Sinha.
	I probably will, don't he?
	Yeah, he probably would.
	Anyway, we'll leave that there.
	Delightful.
	Right, on to something a bit more light-hearted, I suppose.
	A little while ago, I did a brief segment on how far-right has become a term that's stretched to encompass so many people like Russell Brand and Joe Rogan that it's just ultimately meaningless.
	And a little while ago, you did a segment with Peter from Hearts of Oak about how this is also applied to politicians like Pierre Pollavert and the fella in Argentina who are just saying boilerplate libertarian things.
	calling them the mid-century Germans.
	I'd like to pay fewer taxes.
	Typical Nazi.
	Yeah.
	The Beer Hall Putsch didn't really start with a debate about fiscal policy.
	No.
	Well, since then, it turns out that a few more personal lifestyle choices have just been annexed to the far right.
	So we can just start claiming sensible things.
	Because I went down to March for Life last Saturday and a rather dejected, shaved-headed woman decided to take one look at my well-tailored jacket and point, there's a Nazi right there.
	Don't really think she's watched the show, but if they're going to, to be fair, Hugo Boss did do their uniforms.
	Yeah, the Mercedes can make a great car, I'm sure.
	The man is well-dressed.
	Typical Nazi.
	Yes.
	Stupid sexy for Trump supporters.
	But if they're just going to put all that in one category, I think, you know, why not claim things like dresses and being attractive?
	So it's classic cult gaslighting.
	If you'd like to learn more about that, you can pay us as little as £5 a month to watch Josh's Contemplation series.
	This is the fourth part of his cult series where he's gone into cult psychologists And it turns out that loads of the psychologists, these experts on what really comprises a cult, just means any beliefs that aren't progressive.
	Right.
	Who could have predicted that?
	Yes.
	There was a young boy who was a Christian, and they said that he was far right because he'd fallen down the rabbit hole, and so we have to subject him to a struggle session.
	Is that that Aussie kid in Western Australia?
	What was the rabbit hole?
	Well, he read the Bible.
	He became a Christian.
	Carl, that's how it starts.
	And so, let's go on to the first one actually.
	Speaking of Aussie, not Australia, but Austrian this time.
	Cash is far right.
	So, the Austrian leader backs the far right idea of enshrining cash in the constitution.
	Why is that far-right?
	Oh yeah, average far-right belief.
	Yep, yep.
	Brilliant.
	People should probably have access to independent money that can't just be turned off.
	I'm far-right, happily.
	By Karl Schwab.
	By pressing a button.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I'm totally far-right, bro.
	Austria's conservative chancellor, Karl Mayhammer, wants the right to use cash in the constitution, he told Austrian media in remarks published on Friday.
	An idea the far-right Freedom Party has been pushing for years.
	Yeah, freedom.
	Totally far-right idea, bro.
	Remember that last Austrian that wanted to control people?
	Cracking artist, though.
	Yeah, I mean, it's just, this is precisely Hitler's initial gambit.
	This is the opening paragraph in Mein Kampf.
	What are you talking about?
	Well, the problem of Weimar Germany was not enough cash being printed.
	So despite the Austrian National Bank's repeated assurances there are no plans to do away with cash, it's not happening until it's a good thing, the FPO has argued that the right to use cash and the freedom to pay anonymously are at risk.
	Until now, the Conservatives have dismissed such arguments.
	Okay, Austrian National Bank, if there are no plans to do away with it, then you should have no objections to us enshrining it in the Constitution.
	What's your objection?
	No comment.
	Okay, conspiracy theorist.
	Also, so women, they're far right, Yeah, I agree.
	First time ever, I suppose.
	This is a SNP Member of Parliament, Mari Black.
	Yes.
	Looks like the average SNP Member of Parliament.
	She looks like 21 when she got elected, doesn't she?
	Shows you everything about what you need to know to become an MP.
	Yeah, because I think, to be fair, didn't you like a bit of Bumba cocaine in Parliament?
	The first one of the only MPs I actually respect right now.
	You're actually going against things.
	Well, she's hitting the diversity quota for Scotland because they normally just only do heroin.
	She looks like Danny DeVito's penguin, so I wouldn't really trust her with anything, but there you go.
	You're a voting citizen.
	You're like, right, I want to vote for someone with political knowledge on how this country could be run well.
	Would you really take a 21-year-old?
	Oh, so what's really interesting is back when I was in the policy sphere, the SMP had asked for us to respond to a consultation that was saying that we're going to create community focus groups for climate policy, and they started at 16.
	To be fair, I'd have voted for 21-year-old me.
	Not because I'm far right, because I'm right so far.
	Get out.
	Leave.
	Cringe.
	Far right.
	So, gender-critical campaigners are comparable to white supremacists.
	This is the SNP's deputy Westminster leader.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, she definitely needs to be in a position of prominence.
	Mari Black said that bad actors and 50-year-old Karens were responsible for the debate over transgender rights and suggested those who vocally disagreed with her views on such issues could not be decent people.
	She added, there are definitely bad actors at play who are radicalizing people who are vulnerable.
	They're radicalizing people who are too online.
	The irony.
	Yeah.
	And they're also using the small community as a wedge issue to cause chaos and make people divide among themselves.
	Oh, who's doing that?
	Who's using the small community as a wedge issue to cause chaos?
	Oh, it's the gender critical feminist, right?
	It's not the trans activist.
	Okay, got you.
	Yes, it's 51% of the population.
	That small fringe minority, yes.
	Honestly.
	When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups and anti-abortion organizations.
	How do we get some of that?
	I wish.
	I really wish they were that well organized.
	Can we email her and be like, yeah, could you name them?
	Have you got any contacts?
	We'd love to get some of that.
	Do they have a fun day?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Is there an open day or something?
	Go down, we'll put up a stall, you know, fund the Far Right.
	Coconut Shive, funded by the Heritage Foundation.
	That'd be great.
	So speaking of women, are frilly dresses Far Right?
	Yeah.
	So looking pretty and feminine, Far Right?
	I mean, look at the author.
	Yes.
	Isn't that Roz from Monsters, Inc.? ?
	Always watching, Wazowski.
	In her younger days, yes.
	Wouldn't.
	Tradwives can be traced back in fiction.
	You can't fix that, Fivehead.
	This is what happens when you keep your thoughts to yourself.
	She should have done it more.
	Treadwise can be traced back to the Red Pill Women Forum that was set up in 2013.
	The Red Pill Women Forum?
	Yeah, all ten users of that.
	Never heard of it.
	What?
	Right-wing anti-feminist women?
	I mean, they sound great.
	That's a brilliant advert for them.
	Don't tread on my uterus.
	Oh, again!
	I marched for LifeSinger, right?
	And they were chanting, get your rosaries off my ovaries.
	And I was like, yeah, that's the Catholic position, actually.
	Yeah.
	I don't want to be anywhere near them.
	But isn't this like a far-right flag anyway?
	It's meant to be a feminist version of the Gadsden flag.
	Yeah, but then it's like, okay, you know, you can't exactly create a feminist version of the Nazi flag, can you?
	You know, be irrevocably tainted with the thing that you're parodying.
	I mean, Lawrence Fox did nearly got arrested for it.
	Exactly.
	It was literally a crime.
	So all I'm saying is this flag is directly connected to slavery.
	I don't know why they would have that.
	Anyway.
	Yeah.
	It isn't, but I'll let them keep believing it.
	There we go.
	By their own logic.
	30,000 women identified as red pill women or tradwives when this was up.
	As with most far-right trends, most of them appear to be in the US, but due to the network nature of the modern far-right, trends that start stateside don't remain there.
	The article then keeps going on to complain about women saying white women should have more babies.
	Why do they always look minging at these marches?
	Because they don't have to worry about abortions.
	I'd rather knock one out with sandpaper in my hand.
	It's chicken and egg though, isn't it?
	Are they ugly because they're politics or do they have the politics because they're ugly?
	No, it's definitely that.
	It's definitely the second one.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Definitely.
	Yes.
	Communism is only for the dysgenic.
	She also complains, concludes with the need for, quote, women and their allies to stop at nothing to defend their hard-won rights.
	With the implication, of course, being that to abortion.
	I'd like to hear more from the right-wing anti-feminist women, actually.
	Can we get their opinions on something?
	I keep interviewing them and they're very, very nice.
	So that's on the website for all of you for free.
	Also, speaking of attraction, being attractive is far right.
	inside the wellness to fascism pipeline.
	My self-esteem was down, you see.
	So I lost a couple of stone and I joined the Nazi party. - Yeah.
	Mussolini, avid yoga practitioner.
	So, I've got some interviews here.
	Wellness to fascism.
	Sorry, gone.
	It's just so ridiculous.
	James Ball, who is a picture of hell.
	Look at his face.
	Just look, take me seriously about the wellness to fascism pipeline, please.
	He looks like the guy where, you know that recent immigrant in Sweden that was climbing up the... He looks like the guy that goes, oh please don't.
	Please don't.
	He's basically Will from The Inbetweener.
	Actually, how does he have ginger eyebrows but black hair?
	I don't know, but he looks like the sort of person who thinks wellness can be equated to fascism.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I think he needs more fascism in that case.
	Jane, not her real name, is nervous about speaking to me.
	She asks that I don't identify her or the small south coast Devon town in which she lives.
	Oh, what a Nazi.
	Is it Totnes where you went and radicalised them all again?
	Ah, I've been back.
	I've been back, actually.
	But according to the BBC, I've been back.
	We just enjoy spreading disinformation on this podcast.
	I'm feeling disloyal because I'm talking about people I've known for 30 or 40 years.
	The BBC would literally have it that me saying I haven't been back to Tottenham Hotspur, which is the reality of the situation, will be disinformation, according to them.
	Oh my God, I hate this world.
	Jane isn't trying to blow the whistle on government, corruption or organized crime.
	She wants to tell me about her old meditation group.
	They've been moving generally to far-right views, bordering on racism and really pro-Russian views with the Ukraine war, she says.
	Really?
	Really?
	A woman's meditation group in Devon is like, oh, I do love Putin.
	He's so great.
	Maybe they'll watch Dan's segment.
	Yeah, exactly.
	A bit of Adolf Hitler as well.
	I've been reading Mein Kampf here.
	And, you know, like, come on!
	Who believes this?
	It started very much with health, with COVID denial, anti-lockdown, anti-masks, and it became anti-everything.
	The BBC lie, don't listen to them, many such cases.
	All I'm saying, this is great news for us.
	This is great.
	Follow what you see on the internet.
	And for as little as £5 a month, Things came to a head when one day before... But we are demonetised, so come and help us out.
	An activity designed to relax the minded spirit pushing away all worldly concerns, the group played a conspiratorial video arguing that 15-minute cities and low-traffic zones were part of a global plot.
	Oh, but it was mine!
	Thank you for your service, Lik.
	Jane finally gave up.
	The wellness to woo pipeline, or even wellness to fascism pipeline, has become a cause of concern to people who study conspiracy theories.
	I'm just picturing someone doing downward facing dog going, have you heard about those bio labs on the Ukrainian Russian border?
	I love the obsession with COVID here as well.
	Average fascist is like, maybe the government shouldn't lock down all of society.
	Maybe the government doesn't have that authority and they're just like, oh my God.
	Hold on, let me put my healing crystals down to strap up my jackboots.
	When I was driving, have you heard that advert about, you know, tell us your story for the COVID inquiry because every story matters.
	I was like, oh, now it matters.
	Now that it's done, now you care.
	My story is my love life was killed while Matt Hancock was playing grab ass for two years.
	Cheers, appreciate that.
	I just go to show you autistic people can get some.
	Thanks to wellness.
	Yeah, I mean, that is a good point.
	If Matt Hancock can get some, everyone's got a chance.
	- That's hope for us all, boy. - What's that? - QAnon is the conspiracy theory that can draw in the mum who shops at Holland and Barrett and her Andrew Tate watching teenage son. - Great.
	That's brilliant, okay. - A cursory online request about this issue led me to be deluged with responses.
	One person recounted how her pole dancing instructor, up your street mate, would, while up the pole, hanging on with her legs, explain how the CIA was covering up evidence of aliens and offering tips on avoiding alien abduction.
	Amazing!
	Where's that strip club?
	I'm taking all my money there right now.
	All my far-right cash.
	Hell, I'm in single!
	My real money!
	This is just so good.
	- Dance with me and tell me about the bio lab.
	- Making it rain, 'cause actually the government controls the weather.
	I love this so much, man.
	A physiotherapist would tell me while working on my back with me lying face down.
	Don't get any ideas.
	About her weekly meetings in London about current affairs.
	There was a whiff about it, but it was ignorable.
	Then, the last time I saw her, she muttered something darkly about the Rothschilds and people like that.
	I didn't go back.
	Ha!
	Ha!
	I want the number!
	Yeah, I do have a bit of a back issue, actually.
	I had three successive personal trainers who were anti-vax.
	One Belgian, two Swiss.
	Maybe they just spent time at Davos.
	I was told by a British man who'd spent most of the past decade working in Europe for the World Economic Forum Go on.
	When the trainer found out the man was working for the World Economic Forum, he was immediately cut off.
	Brilliant.
	It's almost like people that were close to the belly of the beast know exactly what's going on, but there you go.
	Speaking of things that smell a bit dodgy, not smelling is far right.
	Yep.
	If you hate body odour, you're more likely to have far right views.
	Again, five years old, this is well known.
	Yep.
	That if you don't smell terrible, then you're a right winger.
	Yep.
	People who have a greater tendency to turn their nose up at the whiff of urine, sweat and other body odours are more likely to have right-wing authoritarian attitudes.
	The smell of the average leftist.
	Yeah, literally.
	You smell like bus stops.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If you smell like a car park lift, you're probably left-wing.
	But I get this weird tell, you know, self-report.
	Like, I stink of piss.
	Yes, I vote Biden.
	How did you know?
	For the many, not the few.
	And then, just finally, because they just keep doing self-reports, far-right conversation on paedophilia is dangerous.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah, it really is, isn't it?
	What an odd thing to say!
	Yeah, there's just silence and then some leftist pops up.
	Michael Corran there.
	You know, the far-right being concerned about pedos is a real concern to me.
	I mean, at this point, when Pedophile Island was real, I am kind of in... That leftist retreat.
	Yeah.
	Non-summer camp.
	Yeah, not great.
	So he mainly complains about Sound of Freedom and says that it invigorates a conspiracy theory about QAnon.
	About Jeffrey Epstein.
	Yeah.
	Maybe he missed the part where the people that worked in the film actually, because they brought Navy SEALs along as their entourage.
	The Navy SEALs disappeared for a few days, came back, and actually busted a trafficking ring while they were filming it as well.
	As I understand it, it was based on a true story as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	There we go.
	Yeah, Far Right one.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's chapter four in Mein Kampf.
	A Far Right true story.
	They'll save children from Nicaraguan trafficking rings.
	And you know, they will start framing it that way as well.
	It'll be like, yeah, it is true, but it's also Far Right.
	And they'll be like, oh, well, that's good.
	That's all I need to hear.
	It was Far Right, so that's gone from my vision.
	You know, that's what it's going to turn into, man.
	But fortunately, that means that we've now defined left-wing as man or woman, no, sorry, you're a man, poor, ugly, smelling of piss, and soft on paedophilia.
	Many such cases.
	On with that one to the comments, I suppose.
	Yeah, let's go to the video comments.
	I don't like Putin, but... Swiggity swooty.
	That sounds like the boss lefty.
	Then be coming for Putin moody.
	What on earth am I looking at?
	It really goes back to your men just like to build things, anything.
	Yeah.
	Like, you know, like he's built this for no reason, just because he enjoys building.
	It was just, you know, a bunch of Sunday afternoons that got out of hand.
	I think it's great.
	Speaking of the Beer Hall Putsch.
	Onto the next one.
	Yeah.
	On Monday, Carl asked what was hanging on the wall behind me.
	I couldn't understand what Callum said they were, but this is my collection of archery release aids.
	For anyone who is not familiar, they are essentially mechanical devices you clip to the string of a compound bow.
	We're gonna pretend this is a compound bow.
	And you use them to draw the bow and loose the string instead of using your fingers.
	The reason I have so many is because I made a business out of making custom molded holsters for them.
	And if anyone is interested in learning about compound archery, I would be happy to send in some videos talking about the subject.
	I'd like to see some videos demonstrating the subject.
	Yeah.
	I know my zombie apocalypse survival squad has just added a new member.
	Yeah.
	But it's again, just one of those things is people doing something.
	Yeah.
	I just like watching.
	So that would be great.
	But anyway, let's go to the written comments.
	So general high ping says looking forward to that lads hour at 3 PM today.
	Always appreciate the advantage.
	We just got a preview.
	Yeah, it's going to be, um, Taffy says, Oh, Wow, this first section is a good one.
	It looks like the mainstream is waking up to the effects of constant gaslighting, psychological abuse, and ritual humiliation heaped upon white western men these last 20 years.
	Interesting that it all comes from the same section of society we can't name.
	No, it just comes from the left.
	Constantly going on about the left.
	Anyway, Riotact says, as a Western Australian, I feel I should point out the West Australian newspaper is widely considered to be a trash rag here.
	Don't worry, the feeling's mutual.
	Yeah, I mean, like, every newspaper at this point should be widely considered to be a trash rag.
	If there is a single newspaper in existence that is not considered to be a trash rag, The Lighthouse, The Light excluded, obviously, then we're not doing our jobs.
	Omar says, they tell you Andrew Tate is a bad example, but if you ask them what a good man looks like, they'll show you a woman.
	It's easy to tear down masculine figures, but they aren't replacing it with a better alternative in line with our nature.
	And that's a great point, actually.
	That's a really good point.
	Who would you hold up as an ideal of masculinity?
	I think it's difficult to get to.
	I think anyone who becomes close to that is quickly, you know, knocked off the pedestal.
	Or contained, yes.
	Yeah, I think it's almost like they allow Andrew Tate to stay there because, you know, it's certainly, again, everything's all about division, isn't it?
	Whereas you actually get a good man Well, you're manufacturing consent for the Online Harms Bill as well.
	In every single country, they're saying, we need to police online misogyny because we've got so much content percolating around on TikTok.
	The thing is, the actual actions taken against... Ah, right.
	Sorry.
	The actual actions taken against Amplitate show that they're not trying to amplify it.
	I mean, he's not just him, but his clips were removed from TikTok, his ban from YouTube and, you know, everywhere apart from Twitter because Elon Musk restored him.
	Like, and he, you know, he's doubtless lost a bunch of bank accounts, blah, blah, blah.
	Like, he has actually been suppressed.
	The problem that they have is that Andrew Tate genuinely has.
	Grassroots popularity with young men.
	He's not an astroturf phenomenon, that's the thing.
	I think to a degree, but at the same time, it's amazing.
	There's no such thing as bad publicity.
	I'm not saying he's not brilliant at selling himself and all that sort of stuff, and obviously he's done a good job, but the establishment has tried to keep him down.
	That is true.
	But on the topic of who would you put up, in terms of being capable of articulating the metaphysical virtues of masculinity, pre-lockdown Jordan was fantastic.
	He was like a cultural father figure to people and I think we've actually lost something pretty prominently by having lots of his stuff be paywalled behind daily wire.
	I understand his mood for doing it, and I'm sure he's doing some fantastic stuff, but because he's leaning into ARK and all that sort of stuff, he's trying to leverage his influence to make political change.
	But I think that men have actually lost a voice for making transformation in their personal lives, and we need something else for that.
	Bit of an odd one, I've always liked Nick Knowles.
	He's not massively popular, but whenever you see He's a DIY SOS guy.
	Yeah, but he does good work, but you can just tell.
	You're a good man.
	You know what, that's actually not a bad example.
	I once said to my mum, I said, you know what, if Dad ever dies, I will accept him.
	I think this is why Bo keeps going on about Ray Mears.
	Just a wholesome, masculine figure.
	He's not political, really.
	He's just like, I'm doing wilderness.
	Bob Ross.
	Bob Ross is a great one as well.
	Former Air Force veteran.
	He used to be a drill sergeant, so he chose never to shout again.
	He cared for animals, had a lovely marriage and his family, and he just made beautiful artwork, and he sold them all off to charity.
	Nice guy.
	Is Mel Gibbs a really good one?
	Because, you know, you see him do stuff and next thing you know he's slandered online but he talks for all the paedophilia.
	Oh, Mel Gibson.
	Sorry, Mel Gibson, yeah.
	I don't know, I was thinking... Yeah, Mel Gibson.
	Old sugar tits.
	Legend.
	Maybe don't give him a bottle of alcohol on the phone.
	Or do.
	That would be good TV.
	Henry Cavill.
	Henry Cavill's a good example.
	He's not married.
	Gorgeous.
	He's got a girlfriend at the moment.
	He's not married.
	Yeah, he should be.
	Sure, but he's not married, doesn't have kids.
	He's not at the end of the journey.
	Yes, I agree.
	I think he's a great representation of an Englishman.
	I love the fact that Henry Cavill is representing Englishmen around the world.
	That's great.
	And I like the fact that he likes Warhammer.
	He's literally me.
	Actually, Ryan Gosling's alright as well, given the circles he runs in.
	A wholesome enough guy.
	Married.
	Considering what he's surrounded by.
	Things he has to obviously genuflect towards.
	Anyway, Le French Smiling Man says, women.
	Men shouldn't be toxic.
	Also women.
	I get hot for the kind of man I can't introduce to my family.
	Yeah, that's another revealed preference that I'm sick of hearing about.
	It's like, oh, we want really safe men.
	It's like, no you don't.
	Yeah, you don't.
	Matt says my primary school never had a single male teacher.
	The only man there was the caretaker.
	Look, I've said it before and I'll say it again.
	I don't think that women should teach boys.
	I don't think that men should teach girls.
	I just, I know it's a total sort of throwback opinion.
	Would you say in all subjects?
	In all of education, I actually, and I, I'm not someone who went to a sex segregated school or anything like that, but I'm just looking at it now and I'm like, no, I think actually boys should have male teachers.
	I just, and women would probably benefit, girls would probably benefit from women teachers.
	I'm not a girl, so I can't say, but I don't doubt that it would be for their advantage as well.
	I just think it would be the sort of normal and natural way to raise these kids.
	Yeah, fewer female teachers sleeping with their students, as well, as we keep doing in America.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're always hot, though, aren't they?
	I know!
	What is going on there, Connor?
	You brought it up!
	I don't know!
	No, I have no idea, but they're always really good-looking.
	The only pedos at my school were really weird-looking men, yeah.
	Seriously though, it is peculiar.
	I'm jealous.
	You know, a 25 year old woman sleeps with a 15 year old boy and it's like a model.
	Yeah, I used to dream my drama teacher was a lesbian.
	Instead we literally had kind of like a pedo Kennedy.
	You know, one in between.
	She wore double denim.
	Anyway, George says, the manosphere is not poisoning conservatism.
	It is just that conservatives were never men's allies.
	They weaponized chivalry to serve feminists like useful idiots.
	That's a great point as well.
	You know, the concern that this, that everyone's all had a feminism when it's because literally men just seceded, just ceded the ground instantly.
	They were like, we, they were totally unable to say, no, I, as a man, I'm entitled to a man's a men's only club.
	But I don't think that's small-c conservatism.
	That's the liberal supposition that you're the de-sex subject.
	Sure, but the conservatives were like, oh, well, we've got to make sure they can come into the men's clubs.
	And they just totally retreated from everybody.
	There should have been a point where they're like, no, it's called a men's club, no women.
	End of story.
	You've got your own spaces.
	We should have our own spaces.
	That's as far as the conversation goes.
	We're not going to budge on that.
	And women's football should be on Comedy Central.
	Robert Longshall says, you need to open up to me about your feelings for me to want you.
	Man, like this?
	Woman, no, not like that.
	That's literally disgusting.
	I've read so many Reddit posts.
	It's like, don't ever cry in front of your wife.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Don't do it.
	Sarah says, men absolutely need purpose.
	They need to be needed, especially by the women in their lives.
	And the women need to acknowledge this, appreciate it and nurture the men in return.
	And that's true.
	Sophie says, I don't even think that kind of modern therapy is even good for women.
	I agree.
	It's awful for everyone.
	I mean, the woman who goes to therapy is just so happy.
	Wallowing in your own misery and feeling like a victim is so great for your own mental health.
	And also, I am deeply suspicious about someone whose entire job is predicated on you having mental health issues.
	Oh no, you need to keep coming every month for the next They never give you the cure, they just elongate the treatment.
	Exactly.
	I cannot even imagine trusting this person with anything really.
	You've been to a therapist, Calum?
	Well yeah, I did, didn't I?
	Because we had the whole abortion thing.
	But to be fair, she was actually quite good.
	She wasn't from California?
	No, she wasn't.
	I actually quite liked her because I hate things like state education and all that.
	Weirdly, we clicked on a lot of things.
	You know, she thinks it's all... She was far right.
	I think she might be, yeah.
	Basically, Callum was like, I really like my therapist, so I started shagging her.
	She sees it as indoctrination as well, and how it tells you how to be things rather than help you mould yourself.
	But when I was like, I think I'm actually better now, she's like, great, that's what I want.
	She's like, if you have a feeling to come back, fantastic, but I want people to leave.
	I was like, oh, fair.
	You sound like all the other women!
	Fair play, she seems quite good, but... That may not be common of all Californian therapists.
	Oh yeah, no, by and large I think they're all leeches.
	A bit like me and Jess.
	Yes.
	True.
	I'm sure there are lots of good people who work for the NHS.
	Some, I'm sure, are good people.
	Oh yeah, I think a lot of them are good, but I think a lot of them are misled.
	I think it's the managerial class for the NHS.
	I genuinely think the doctors and nurses, I mean, you see them like strung out, working hard.
	And then you see the fat middle-aged woman manager who's got a scowl on her face, like, you're not working hard.
	You're not strung out.
	You know, all these poor people who could be getting paid your wage, you know, they're the ones who are getting screwed.
	Well, the head of diversity in NHS is paid more than the PM.
	Yeah, 250 grand a year.
	It's mad.
	It's absolutely mad.
	It's actually one of your thing.
	You should get someone in your, um, here to like, just keep applying for diversity jobs and you could do a whole section.
	Honestly, maybe we should.
	Uh, Matt says sloppily regal election evidence all over the place.
	Admit it multiple times.
	People protest about it and it turns into a bit of a riot.
	How could they do this to our democracy?
	Yeah.
	Maybe, maybe don't write pieces in Time Magazine next time saying we fortified it against you.
	Yeah, I mean literally saying, you know, Donald Trump was right.
	There was a conspiracy to steal the election.
	Time Magazine.
	Shadowy Cabal was the example.
	It's like, okay, well... At what point do you actually think people will snap?
	If locking them in their homes wasn't enough... That's the thing, we keep going past all these points, I think, surely now... Okay, maybe the next... Surely now!
	This is the fallacy of the Marxists.
	The disorganized masses will never rise up, no matter whether or not they're justified in doing so against lockdowns, for example.
	The only way out of this is either negotiation, or historically speaking, and I don't endorse this, but military coups are normally what happens.
	Well, yeah, it's like, you know, people say, oh, violence doesn't solve anything.
	It literally solves everything.
	Like, whoever wins, it's solved for them.
	We've arrived at the Heinleinian position.
	No, violence solves every problem in history.
	But for whoever wins, it literally solves their problem.
	I mean, if you're listening, GCHQ, we don't endorse this.
	I was in Maryland, not DC.
	That doesn't matter anymore.
	Uh, Ewan says, uh, people have been jailed for an unauthorized tour.
	Ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	Podium guy.
	Yeah.
	That's another thing as well.
	Like they were so placid when they were in there.
	Like you, you see the videos of them in there and the guards and police are like showing them around, open doors for them and like walking in the road, walking between the guard ropes.
	Yeah, exactly.
	This isn't even a riot.
	As an Englishman, I was so impressed with that queuing.
	I was like, these are obviously Republicans.
	Or Brits on holiday.
	The queuing was that good!
	Joshua says Colorado seeks to remove Trump from the ballot.
	Other states seek to do so through legal means or by lying about the crime.
	Yeah, they're going to do everything they can, which is why, frankly, and I keep saying this, it has to be Trump and he has to win.
	It's not that I don't love DeSantis.
	I don't.
	I do like DeSantis.
	I think he's a great governor.
	And I actually quite like Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Oh yeah, he's quite cool.
	I like what he's saying, I don't trust him.
	Sure, and you don't have to.
	What a politician.
	Don't lend him money.
	Obviously.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Which god exists?
	Which god for vape?
	Which one?
	Sure.
	That'd be interesting.
	Well, he'd say Vishnu or something.
	Yeah, the one with the elephant head.
	Definitely.
	Laetitia.
	But the point being, you know, these might actually be half-decent politicians who enact an agenda that I'm in favor of, right?
	I don't care.
	It has to be Donald Trump, and it's because they just hate him that much.
	He's the only Caesar figure that exists at the moment.
	Exactly.
	And I just want his smug face on 2024 on TV.
	Donald Trump wins, Joe Biden asleep, not even realizing he's running, and the howling and pulling of hair of the 45-year-old wine Karen.
	It's the meme of ditch-digging SJWs and then the Pepe just standing on the side and goes, I really wish you didn't make me have to play.
	I just wanted to play video games.
	I really did.
	But I want Trump to win at this point because he's Trump and because they hate him.
	um michael says didn't the cia send our 180s and beret 50 cows to the ira well wouldn't be fucking shocked well they trained us on the bin laden basically yeah you shouldn't trust any three-letter agency fbi cia nhs What's this thing about the NHS?
	I mean, don't get me wrong, I've got plenty of problems with the NHS, but for me, mostly it's the people who run it and the way it's funded.
	There's so many things like, we do health completely wrong.
	So many TikTok videos and I was just like, no, that's it, I'm ranting.
	Yeah, but no, it's like, we view health completely wrong.
	Pharmaceutical companies don't want you to be healthy otherwise you're no longer a customer.
	So, you know, you look at all the drugs and that they pump into you.
	They do abortions and they do... Putting girls on the cold for age 14.
	Yeah, like Sodom.
	So the letter M is for middle finger, says this whole podcast has been a blast, this last segment especially so.
	What great fun it is to laugh for a few moments after losing what little hope of humanity we have left.
	Well, we're going to be doing the same much in the follow-up podcast this afternoon, so do join us for that.
	S.H.
	Silver says getting caught up in the left-right dichotomy is pointless.
	The establishment will dress themselves in the image of either left or right and vilify the other side just to divide people or to serve their elite interests.
	Nothing matters to them beyond control.
	Um, it's not that you're wrong, but I do think that Saul Alinsky is right when he says that there are factions in the elites and they do vie for control.
	They'll never allow, and this is really one of the reasons they, and I think, because you see lots of people on the right being like, so why do they just hate Trump that much?
	And it's because Trump is kind of a traitor to the elite class and they know it.
	You know, it's like Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer are never going to endanger the status of the elites, but Donald Trump had that potential.
	He didn't do it, obviously, but he had the potential to turn the apple cart on both sides.
	And so that I think is why they, and they both on both sides of the Republican and Democrat elites.
	I really hate Trump.
	The horridness as well is because he is a hole in the boat that they didn't realize was there.
	Yeah.
	And even the fact that just a little bit of water came in is an affront to their sensibility.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	And then I tweeted this out the other day.
	It's like, look what they're doing after you made them feel momentarily afraid.
	Yeah.
	It's it's it's Neil Patrick Harris's hand on the bug at the end of Starship Troopers.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And it was only for a moment.
	And now it's 22 years for Henry Carrier for not even being mad.
	Do you think it will all come tumbling down?
	Well, I think that anything that can't go on forever won't.
	I think the last election anyone accepted in America was 2012, and I think no matter the outcome of 2024, half the country won't accept it.
	So I don't know what's going to happen.
	I actually can't make a prediction because, like... We're in an uncharted world.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Some kind of disparate violent conflict could happen.
	Don't want it to, but it could reasonably happen.
	I think it'll be more like a social war than a civil war.
	We're already seeing the sort of divvying up of states where Republicans are just getting out of California and going to Florida and Texas and probably vice versa.
	I can see some states seceding.
	Maybe.
	But the dividing lines are being made ever more clear.
	The blue states are going bluer and the red states are going redder it seems.
	Base Tape says, seriously, does this Far Right Conspiracy Strip Club even exist?
	I'm making one.
	I think Far Right and Strip Club are... Shut up and take my money!
	They're incompatible, I'm afraid.
	All I'm saying is, Connor says that, but there is definitely a market for it.
	There's definitely a customer base.
	I'm going to quote Jurassic Park and say that these people spent so long asking if they could do something, they didn't realise they should be asking if they should do something.
	Anon Imi says, only leftists ever mention QAnon.
	I've been following far right, oh sorry, right so far, commentators, for a long time and I have no idea what clue, no clue what it is.
	This is another great point, I don't know what the thesis of QAnon is.
	Um, the entire government is run by a cabal of satanic pedophiles.
	Oh, bang on then!
	No, that's not a conspiracy theory.
	The thesis is, that's the premise, but what's the thesis?
	Because there's always, like, trust the plan, patriotism, so what's happening?
	So Q is meant to be someone who is inside the administration leaking things.
	Right, so he's a part of the P90.
	Well... We trust Q?
	Yeah, apparently so, yeah.
	And also, we don't know who Q is.
	And he's been wrong every single time.
	Trust the plan, boys!
	Don't worry, this time it's going to come to fruition.
	Now, like I said, I just don't know what the thesis of QAnon is or had been until just now and then it sounds ridiculous.
	It literally is a caricature right winger, as far as I can tell.
	But I mean, I'm sure there are like boomer Americans who believe it and find it.
	There was that thing, was it like a year ago?
	It kind of came out that this was like a psyop because they called it Blueanon.
	Blue Anon is to accuse the Democrats of having the same delusional level of view.
	Russia!
	Weaponising the term back against them.
	And Blue Anon actually does stick.
	They said Donald Trump was a Russian agent since the 1980s.
	Yes, he was a Soviet spy.
	Yeah, definitely.
	That was an MSNBC segment.
	I didn't see that!
	Donald Trump was a Soviet spy?
	Jeremy Corbyn was a Soviet spy!
	Ironically, no, I'm joking.
	He was just an asset of some sort.
	He wasn't a spy.
	It was Bernie Sanders.
	He had his honeymoon there.
	He did, didn't he?
	He did, yeah.
	And he came back and praised how well-run the Potemkin village was.
	Why can't all men just be like Bernie?
	Oh, God.
	And the thing is, that's the thing.
	They're not even spies, right?
	That ascribes to them a level of agency they simply don't have.
	They're absolute effing idiots.
	Useful idiots, yeah.
	Well, I don't know how useful they are, but they're just idiots.
	Bernie was second in the Democrat primary.
	Hillary Clinton had to mobilize her campaign to knock him off course.
	To be fair, can we trust the numbers?
	Well, yeah.
	Richard says, Haters will hate, but the hilarity of it all is how everything counter is now far right.
	We just used to call these wholly unattractive people munters, hedge crawlers, and fog monsters.
	I haven't heard Munter in a long time.
	It is due a comeback though, isn't it?
	70 Sunglasses, Munter is due a comeback.
	I heard an American in Italy recently asked me what a bint is.
	I've not heard that in ages, that's something he reminded me.
	And that's another way of getting past YouTube's algorithms.
	There's no way Munter is in the algorithm.
	I think we should have Harry Monopoly on it with the accent though, because it just sounds much better coming from Mancunian.
	Matt says, this is what happens when a middle-aged mum stumbles across something that isn't the Daily Mail gossip section.
	Yes.
	And Noel says, love the idea of the lads hour.
	Thinking next step, which would be great, would be a Lotus Eaters after dark in a pub in Swindon.
	Possibly not a pub in Swindon, but just a hangout of some sort would be nice.
	I mean, it would be Lotus Eaters in the dark, given Swindon is not the most infrastructurally brilliant place these days.
	No.
	We should do a bit towards Marlborough.
	Didn't Marlborough get voted like the best town in the country?
	I saw an article on it where basically loads of celebrities move there and live there.
	It is really nice.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's really nice.
	What is it?
	It's a small English country town.
	Like that's the utopia that all the celebrities are moving to.
	Basically, I don't think there's a migrant hotel there yet.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But why do we even have cities?
	If that's the utopia, why do we bother with these cities?
	Bath's alright.
	Yeah, Bath's lovely.
	But it's got, like, 50,000 people.
	You went to a 50-year-old middle-aged woman.
	Ooh, very nice.
	Do you know what I realised recently?
	I was like, oh my God, I've got old.
	Because I was in Tesco and I went, oh, organic blueberries reduced.
	And I said it out loud.
	I was like, oh my God, Calum, what have you become?
	We're deducting you from Lads Hour.
	Your testicles have retracted to such a point where you can't sit in on the panel.
	Estrogen levels through the charts.
	Anyway, that's all we've got time for, folks.
	So, we'll see you in half an hour on the website for Lads Hour.
	And we'll try and man up Callum a little bit.

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