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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #734

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 5th of September 2023.
	Today I am joined by Dan and Esther.
	Hi.
	How are you doing?
	I'm good, thank you for having me.
	Thanks for coming on.
	I don't know if you want to introduce yourself for people who might not be familiar with you.
	I'm Esther Krakow, I'm a writer and a broadcaster and I do stuff.
	It's too much to get into but yeah that's the gist of it.
	You're going to do that with your resume one day?
	Yeah.
	Fair enough.
	So today we're going to be talking about the ADL war has begun.
	I think the fight is coming from Elon Musk.
	Bounce on.
	Yeah.
	I don't like Putin, but... Yeah, it's quite a big but, but we get to that.
	See where that's going.
	Yep.
	And also the people profiting.
	I just want to talk about the people who are literally stealing all our money and destroying the country in the process, which is why they don't care because they're making, oh my God, unbelievable amounts of money.
	But without further ado, shall we begin?
	So, let's talk about the ADL war that has begun.
	I don't know if you're aware, but Elon Musk has... I think he's going for it.
	I think he's going to sue them, and I'm really glad about it.
	The hero we deserve.
	Yeah.
	People who don't know, the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, they're a Jewish organization that was set up to protect people from civil rights violations, blah, blah, blah.
	This is the stated goal.
	The reality is they're a bunch of time-wasting, money-burning bastards.
	Because they don't actually do anything useful other than silence political opponents because they don't like their politics.
	Okay.
	I don't know about you.
	What they seem to do, as far as I'm concerned, is defamation.
	And it's a sort of trend I've noticed.
	If any organization that puts anti in its title, The anti-bit isn't true, like antifa, anti-fascists, no they are literally fascists.
	The anti-poverty groups, all they do is promote policies that extend poverty.
	And the anti-defamation league, all they do is defame people constantly.
	And the main thing being because they're... So what is, I mean I understand what you mean, so what exactly, what is their MO?
	Like do they sue people basically that they feel has defamed them or do they try and get Well, they try and get people cancelled because they will sort of take action, but a lot of the time they can do it by simply denouncing people and say, OK, you toe the line, otherwise we're going to call you an anti-Semite.
	And then they call them an anti-Semite and they get cancelled.
	And basically the mechanisms just do it themselves.
	That sounds like mean girls, like secondary school.
	I'm sorry, I don't know if I'm being... That doesn't make sense.
	I don't understand it.
	No, you have got it.
	So they say, you do what we want or we'll call you mean words.
	Yes.
	Oh no.
	Yeah, this works somehow.
	I mean, again, I'm surprised too.
	I don't think anyone should take these people seriously from all walks of life, not just the ADL, but like, let's say, stand up to racism, that's another one.
	Yes.
	Hope not hate in the UK.
	Yes.
	Hate not soap.
	But we shall begin with just promoting something on the website real quick, this being the book clubs you do, this one on Giovanni Gentili's The Doctrine of Fascism, because if you actually want to learn something about fascism or antisemitism, go and read it instead of just getting told by the ADL that the person who disagrees with you is totally anti-Semite.
	Because they hurt my feelings.
	And people who don't know the news, we should go to Elon Musk.
	Because he decides to tweet out, out of the blue, he's having a day, working hard, eight hours a week, whatever the hell he does, and just tweets out for some reason.
	To be super clear, I'm pro free speech, but also against antisemitism of all kinds.
	You know that meme where it's like, Yeah.
	But whatever man, why are you tweeting this?
	And there was a lot of people who obviously asked that.
	And then he elaborated, to say the least, in which he goes off on one.
	Oh, he has a thread.
	I think this is the first time I've seen a thread from Elon Musk.
	So he says here, since the acquisition of Twitter, the ADL has been trying to kill this platform by falsely accusing it and me of being anti-Semitic.
	Our US advertising revenue is still down at 60% primarily due to pressure on advertisers by the ADL.
	That's what advertisers tell us.
	So they're succeeding, or almost succeeding, in killing Twitter.
	Okay.
	If this continues, we will have no choice but to file a defamation suit against, ironically, the Anti-Defamation League.
	If they lose the defamation suit, we will insist that they drop the anti part of their name since, you know, obviously.
	Oh, right.
	There we go.
	That's my point then.
	Yeah, he's got it.
	This is quite entertaining.
	I'm actually looking forward to this.
	Because, of course, they've been sitting around calling everyone and being like... You know, I genuinely believe that groups like the ADL can only thrive in the West where people actually care what names they're being called.
	I mean, seriously, like, If I was sat in a room full of my uncles and be like, oh, you're mean, they'd make a song out of it.
	Oh, Spider-Man, we are mean.
	I don't understand how a group can have such power that effectively they could cancel whole groups and organisations and platforms by just saying, you're a racist, you're this, you're that.
	What happened to no, I'm not?
	Let's move on.
	Yeah, it's because we care about those labels.
	I'm sure if you went up to somebody in Nigeria and called them a racist, they'd be like, They just wouldn't care.
	It's a uniquely Western phenomenon.
	I have never met anyone else from any other part of the world that cares about these sorts of things.
	Europeans do have a hyper-evolved sense of guilt, which doesn't seem to have a limiter on it.
	Which is very easy to weaponize, which is unfortunate.
	Because, I mean, I can't fathom this happening anywhere else.
	I can't imagine going to India and being like, oh, you're casteist.
	Have you ever seen the racism maps?
	What?
	You know about the racism maps?
	No.
	So there was a survey done of pretty much every country on earth and it was questions like, would you mind if your daughter married someone of a different race?
	Yeah.
	And every single map, it's just like the West and NATO, let's say, is all green with I don't care.
	And then India is just glowing red.
	Yeah.
	And then there's France, which is like right in between where half of the people went, nah, I don't think so.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's true.
	I mean, yeah, this is going to be entertaining.
	I really hope he sues them though.
	But it's funny you bring up that this only works in the West, because we'll get back to it.
	And for some reason, Asian advertisers on Twitter don't care.
	I can imagine.
	Yeah, 0% difference in the amount of funding since the ADL went after Musk.
	Get back to that in a bit, shall we?
	But it's not the only thing, because he decided to start...
	Hmm.
	Going on a rant.
	I mean, his whole Twitter feed is now just filled with, hey, look, I didn't know about this.
	Hey, did you know about this?
	You know, those kind of tweets.
	Oh, it's that thing he does where he puts interesting under a trend that he wants to highlight.
	Look at this interesting thing.
	They're all corrupt bastards.
	We'll quickly go through some.
	So, he mentions here about the controversy in more detail.
	The cost of it, precisely, because that's what we'll be suing for.
	Giving them the maximum benefit of the doubt.
	I don't see any scenario where they're responsible for less than 10% of the value destruction.
	So, around 4 billion US dollars, he writes.
	So, that's what you're suing them for.
	He says they're roughly about 22 billion in total is what we'll be doing.
	Document discovery and all the communications between the ADL and advertisers will tell the full story, so that will all be released, which will be funny.
	Advertisers avoid controversy so that all that is needed is for the ADL to crush our US and European ad revenue.
	Much less power in Asia, he writes.
	Funny.
	Funny.
	Funny that.
	This controversy causes advertisers to pause, but that pause is permanent until the ADL gives the green light, which they will not do unless they agree secretly to suspend or shadow ban accounts that they don't like.
	Okay, so that's the corruption in the machine right there, and he says that this relationship they had with Twitter for many years, presumably they have it with all Western search engines, social media orgs.
	And they do!
	Demonstrably, they do, because we can see it from Facebook, for example, who said not only that they work with them.
	This article here from Politico, for some reason they made it public that yes, this was all an orchestrated lie to make Facebook do what they want, A big part of their grift is being able to display the power that they have.
	They want to visibly crush opponents every now and again so that everybody else falls in line and they get their power and they get their funding and they get their influence.
	Cowardice has become so pervasive in society because you have to question, you know, the higher-ups in Facebook, for instance, that make these sorts of commercial decisions.
	If they're thinking beyond just saving face or saving the few advertisers they don't want to run away, are you not thinking, do you want your children to grow up in a world, assuming they have children, To grow up in a world where organizations like this don't have as much power to tell you who you can and can't have advertise on your platform.
	I mean, it's quite obscene.
	And, you know, people say, like, actually, that courageousness is a very rare trait.
	I think pure courage actually exists only in about 1% of the population.
	But you can see it.
	You can see it play out because I find it so ridiculous that an organization like this can bring Facebook to its knees.
	I mean, it's not just Facebook, of course, the advertisements themselves.
	I think if you work in advertising, gross spine.
	Someone calls you up and says, I don't know where you put the bus advert.
	Go to hell.
	I don't care.
	Well, yeah.
	I'm trying to sell pills or whatever else.
	But the story in here is funny, because as you mentioned, they like to sort of dance and be like, yes, I am a liar and a grifter and what are you gonna do about it?
	Which is weird.
	Bit in politics, but they can get away with it.
	So they write in here that Facebook had said in a statement that they didn't want to touch Trump's posts because when it came to elections it believed in robust debate.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	Do you remember that?
	Back when they were like, well... Yeah.
	Politics.
	Which seemed fair at the time, of course, as being like 2019.
	And now what they're saying here, there's two people you need to know.
	So there's Rashid Robinson, who's the director of Color of Change, and Mr. Gupta, who's also the leader of some organization who gives a crap.
	And they say in here, Robinson, for him, it was a turning point.
	Where do we go from here?
	Him getting pissed off there that they said, we're not going to delete Trump.
	That apparently was the turning point.
	He said to Zuckerberg, Sheryl and Nick Clegg, three people who ran Facebook at the time, that we'd like to have another pivot.
	I'm saying to them that I'm going to go another route.
	Gupta was similarly frustrated, yet she determined that the advocates couldn't just throw up our hands and walk away and say, screw it.
	So then they go on to meet Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL.
	And Mr. Greenblatt comes to them and says, what if we make up a story about Hate.
	Okay.
	And then we tell the advertisers that they've got to stop funding hate on Facebook until they do what we want, which is ban Trump.
	So then they just do it.
	You may remember the hashtag stop funding hate.
	So if you recall this advertising camp, that was it.
	This is, I'm not kidding.
	You can go read the full article in your own time.
	They literally named the individuals involved, the conversations they had and why they did it.
	I mean, I'm sorry, but I just didn't match.
	That's not very slick.
	I'm very curious.
	The numbers behind this.
	How many customers do businesses lose if they're being spread, if the ADL says they are promoting hate or whatever?
	How much does this actually affect their bottom line?
	Because I really, maybe it's my personal circle, I don't know anyone that would Effectively be perturbed by, you know, soliciting goods or services from a particular organization based on the fact that they pop up on ADL's don't buy list or anything like that.
	I generally wonder how much sway the, you know, ADL... Well, if you take Musk at his word, I mean, what was he inferring there?
	Was it something like 40 billion from advertising?
	Yeah, 60%.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And he says that, um, you know, not less than 10% of it.
	So 4 billion is the effect of the ADL, but so it's at least 4 billion.
	But then doesn't that, doesn't that, wouldn't that indicate that it's more about the kind of political leanings of the powers that be that make the decisions as opposed to actually we're doing this to protect our bottom line and that's why these, you know, companies are refusing to advertise with Twitter.
	That's, that's my logic because I actually don't, I really don't see how this manifests in terms of actual business or commercial value.
	I really don't.
	I mean, I genuinely think it's just the few people at the top that have this kind of God complex.
	I think we're doing this for the future for the best of society.
	Yeah, but the people at the top of advertising firms also have that sort of complex and a sort of... I think that's what it is.
	So I think it does resonate with a certain number of people, and clearly it has had a measurable effect at Twitter.
	So it's hard to tell, but I think what definitely can be said is that Facebook are pathetic.
	They should have just told people to screw themselves.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, come on, like, we're all billionaires.
	Who actually cares, really?
	If you're actually a billionaire, the point of being a billionaire surely is to live your life how you want.
	That's why you've got the money.
	It's called FU money for a reason.
	Yeah.
	You have enough money to say F off.
	Like Elon Musk is the only person I have respect for so far, who literally did just say F off, which is the news.
	But that's not the only thing.
	He also decided to tweet very interesting to this.
	It is a 2009 movie review of The Politics of Defamation.
	Now, this is a bunch of Israelis who decide to go meet the ADL.
	To see what they were, and very quickly discovered that the ADL do not help Jews or stop antisemitism.
	They're probably creating it, frankly, with their work.
	So Nuance Bro decided to tweet out a short segment of this here, which is very revealing.
	It's a little bit long, but I'd like to play it all because you'll get a sense of just how pointless these human beings are.
	So this is a guy from the ADL, is it?
	Yes, so it's a documentary where they're going to ask the ADL, so what do you do exactly?
	Nope.
	Can we go back to that clip?
	I'm sorry, I think I may have pressed... Do you have enough resources to deal with all this stuff?
	No.
	No, no, no, no.
	We're flooded every day with these things all over the country.
	It's a very big problem.
	According to the ADL reports from the last couple of years, the average number of anti-Semitic incidents in the US is around 1,500 a year.
	I'm hoping Joel Levy can help me find a case I'll be able to follow.
	What we'd like to do is to follow a case.
	I understand, yeah.
	Because, you know, every film needs, like, a drive.
	Once we have, like, a case that we can follow, so that would be great.
	We're going over the fresh data collected over the last couple of weeks to see if there's anything I will be able to film.
	We have received in the last week or so, um, someone who, employment case, someone who, um, didn't Didn't, wasn't able to take days off for the holiday.
	Someone who is a school teacher and wanted days off for Shavuot.
	Someone who is a nursing student and had some issues with taking time off as well as, with taking time off.
	We also got a phone call from someone who was complaining about a website that had anti-Semitic There wasn't anything suitable from the last two weeks.
	Exactly.
	Someone who was complaining about an article in the newspaper who they thought had anti-Semitic undertones.
	And that seems to be the roundup.
	And that's what we've had in the last two weeks.
	Those are the kinds of incidents that we've had recently.
	Five in two weeks.
	So there's no way to predict.
	There wasn't anything suitable from the last two weeks.
	That's it.
	Sincerely, they were trying to show off to this documentary filmmaker from Israel.
	Look, we're doing hard work to stop antisemitism.
	And they had some time off complaints and some people whining about what was in the newspaper.
	Yeah, I mean, I can understand there were sensitivities in the Jewish community because, you know, they don't want another Holocaust.
	But that is sort of that level.
	And this is, you know, I didn't get time off on the day that I wanted.
	There was a bit of a difference going on here.
	I find how the word hate has been weaponized quite fascinating.
	It's disagreement now, isn't it?
	The thing is, because it's now become meaningless, right?
	It's kind of like, what makes a crime a hate crime?
	And I generally don't know the difference.
	Only if the victim in question feels that it was a targeted crime based on their identity or their chosen identity.
	And I'm like, okay, but surely that's just a crime then or surely all crimes are hateful.
	And it's the same thing with advertising hate speech, you know, hate organizations.
	What does that mean?
	Well, as far as I can tell, a hate crime is when you commit a crime against a person who isn't the same colour as you are.
	So if you are going to commit a crime, make sure it's the same colour.
	Or the same pronouns, or sexuality.
	And it's just, it's meaningless.
	And you're effectively satirising things that we should be taking seriously.
	Yes.
	I don't understand.
	I mean, the whole sort of police commission, police, you know, commissions or commissioners that are dedicated to looking for hate online.
	What a waste of your time.
	Because it doesn't mean anything.
	Well, it's a political crime.
	It's a type of crime that we politically are sensitive to.
	A thought crime?
	Yeah, well, not just thought crimes, but also any physical crime.
	Let's say if I kill someone and he's white, no one gives a crap.
	I kill a guy and he's black, well, suddenly it's a hate crime.
	Yeah, that's a problem.
	We are more politically sensitive to black people in the West.
	I do the same thing in China, no one gives a crap.
	That's not getting a hate crime.
	But if I kill a Communist Party member, that's probably some kind of special crime.
	And this is the joke of all of this.
	I mean, just a side note, I love the whole We do so much work.
	What do you do?
	I always love people who are like yeah I do so much work and then you get them to list it and you go that's not much mate.
	But it's not the only one.
	There's also a clip here that's funny but we don't have time for it in which for some reason back in the day they went to the Ukrainian parliament and told the Ukrainians that they can't call the Holodomor a genocide because that would devalue the holocaust and the exact quote from the representative from the ADL is that we don't want it to seem like your genocide our genocide because then there would be a comparison and the Ukrainian parliament is just looking at him like
	We're going to be very diplomatic and say we respect the Holocaust.
	And then they just left because it was like, sorry, you came here to tell us that we can't call our own genocide a genocide.
	It's a police speech for some reason.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, you want to sit there and be like, the Holodomor wasn't really a genocide, was it?
	You're just bad people.
	And then to sit there and stand on the Holocaust and be like, we represent the fight against that.
	No, you don't.
	You're just bad individuals.
	And this went on.
	Elon then tweeted this.
	It's a thing about a Jewish author here talking about how the ADL tried to make Al Sharpton into a hero after he helped some black riots.
	That is not a great look.
	Yeah.
	Al Sharpton was some Pacific guys, ran down an African-American boy, killed him.
	There were some riots from local black residents.
	Ended up chanting, as you see, death to the Jews.
	Then Al Sharpton turned up after a Jewish guy had been stabbed to death and decided to make it worse.
	And then for some reason, the ADL went out and was like, well, he didn't mean it.
	He was a good guy.
	Like, no, no, just stop.
	Ah, the enemy of my enemies, my friend.
	It's dumb.
	But the whole thing that this started was because of the TikTok, who discovered that the whole reason that this conversation is even happening is because the ADL wanted her deleted.
	And so Elon Musk said, okay, I'll just release all the messages they've ever had.
	Screw those guys.
	Did he actually?
	Yeah.
	So as you can see here, lives of TikTok saying, you know, Elon Musk just revealed the ADL whose goals to fight antisemitism pushed for lives of TikTok to be shut down, which obviously has nothing to do with antisemitism.
	It was also run by an orthodox Jewish woman.
	That's a great look.
	The whole thing Lives of TikTok does is look at the Libs, not Jews of TikTok.
	I mean, I find Lives of TikTok quite funny.
	For me, most of their content is inoffensive, or any other content I've seen, so that's probably not I also have heard no one was speaking of the Jews and then ADL comes out and is like, this is anti-Semitic.
	I get this question a lot because anyone that has any sort of media-facing, front-facing role, they get this question.
	Who funds them?
	Genuinely, I'm genuinely curious who funds the ADL because I don't think I've ever seen what looks to me like a more pointless organisation.
	Well, the power they have is actually severe.
	Well, there's that as well.
	That'll be where the money's coming from.
	Probably Democrats, because that's what their angle is.
	Mr. Greenblatt, for example, he used to work for President Barack Obama.
	Okay.
	So funnily enough, there are no anti-Semites in the Democratic Party he's been able to find in the last eight years.
	But for some reason, Everyone on the right, including lives of TikTok, a Jewish woman, is an anti-Semite to him, because, well, obviously it's political.
	That's it.
	I mean, there is no smoke and mirrors here, really.
	Just, we don't like your politics, so we'll call you whatever we need to.
	In America, anti-Semite is the biggest thing we can call you, to get your reputation smeared.
	So we'll do that, and then we'll ban you, and that's the game.
	That's all there is.
	I do hope Elon successfully sues them, just because it'll just be more entertainment for me, and it'll be quite interesting in the run-up to the elections.
	So we're saying elections 2024 is going to be the year?
	It very well be.
	But we might wonder what's the ADL's response?
	So everyone's calling them out and saying okay well the problem with you is you just lie about people being anti-semites and then you try and get political opponents banned.
	Well they decided to respond to all of this by saying we want Tucker Carlson banned because he's an anti-semite.
	No evidence.
	This is quite naked Democrat friend-enemy distinction dressed up in anti-Semitism.
	I mean, it's a tantrum.
	This is why I said this feels like mean girls or something in secondary school.
	Why Twitter must de-platform Carlson?
	Says who?
	Not the only one, obviously.
	They then went on to say, literally anyone who advertises on Twitter, you're an anti-Semite.
	Great, good job.
	That's Bing from Bedman here.
	Works for them as well.
	It's just, I'm sorry, but it could not be more transparent that there is no civil rights aspect to any of this.
	The accusation is, you call people anti-Semites, not because they are, but because you want them destroyed because you politically disagree with them.
	What do you have to say?
	And they responded with, well, you're an anti-Semite because you politically disagree with us, we want you banned.
	Well, it's exactly the same dynamic with racism.
	It's overusing it until it completely loses any meaning.
	It's meaningless.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, I mean, completely exposed on the first day that, yeah, that is what you do.
	And what I'm quite looking forward to is the first student for defamation takes a billion dollars off them, which is not small.
	They'll be destroyed financially, hopefully.
	Yeah.
	And hopefully, America and the rest of the world, basically being Europe in this case, because Asia doesn't care, as you mentioned, can start treating them like Tariq Nasheed.
	Are you familiar with Tariq Nasheed?
	Remind me, I've heard the name.
	Tariq Nasheed's a wonderful guy, I love him.
	He's a black nationalist who's American and obviously is kind of potty because he made this movie a while back, you may remember.
	Buckbreaking, a lot of memes made about it.
	Is this like a BDSM?
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	This looks like someone is having a copious amount of sex.
	Is this a gay slave Jesus or something?
	I mean, honestly, yes, this is what I'm thinking.
	This looks like Some sort of freaky night out that doesn't end.
	This is how you should think of the ADL.
	Without any pregnancy.
	So Tariq used to make a bunch of movies arguing like the Japanese were black, the Romans were black, Queen Elizabeth, she's black, blah, blah, blah.
	Oh, so he's blind.
	Okay.
	That kind of nonsense.
	And then he came up with this movie, which is arguing that the LGBTs of Europe were raping the slaves to keep a brother down.
	And that's why the real history has been, it was kind of mental.
	Obviously.
	I mean, this man is clearly mentally unwell.
	I gotta show you like a screenshot of it because of course like the thing instantly just got turned into a meme and everyone mocked him because it was like, bro, why are you making rape porn?
	What is actually wrong with you?
	And this should be the response to the ADL which is just like, you're an embarrassment.
	Look at the woman, I'm sorry, look at the woman's horror.
	Like he paid a human being to make this art.
	Wow.
	For his movie.
	It's like, yeah, ADL.
	So he made this?
	Yes, he commissioned it.
	Well, clearly he's mentally unwell.
	But that's the thing.
	So is the ADL.
	Everyone there in these circles who tries to argue such nonsense should be treated like Tariq is, which is as a joke.
	Sadly, at this point, the ADL have power, but... The thing is that they're well-funded, mentally unwell people with a God complex.
	Unfortunately, he is not well-funded.
	And they're useful to the Democrats.
	Some good pencil work, I guess.
	Why am I trying to compliment this?
	Moving on.
	Anyway, that's the ADL war.
	I suppose we'll...
	Well, I'm never going to forget this, unfortunately.
	I'll send you the full movie.
	Burnt into my retina.
	It's hilarious.
	Oh, dear God.
	I think his previous work, I actually think is better because he just sits there, genuinely argues like Suleiman, the ruler of the Ottoman Empire, is a black man.
	Oh, OK.
	And then just proceeds to not make an argument why.
	And then Beethoven, he's... What is his definition of black?
	Just out of curiosity, because I feel like once you get into that, the territory of this guy and the canons of the world, black just becomes like...
	Someone with two arms.
	You know what I mean?
	It doesn't actually mean anything.
	You know Militarians from Star Wars?
	No, I've never seen Star Wars.
	Nonsense logic.
	Basically the same thing but melanin.
	But only for Democrats.
	Yeah, it's in your heart once you eat dessert.
	It makes you a great man.
	That's strange.
	Anyway, America more broadly, their conception of race and blackness as someone who is not I don't know.
	I find it extremely strange.
	Very bizarre.
	Well, yeah, apparently.
	Nick Cannon said something very weird as well.
	He said something about white people not having a soul and that black people are the only people with a soul.
	And I'm like, okay.
	But if you came to Sub-Saharan Africa, we'd see you as mixed race.
	So that's a bit awkward.
	Should we talk about the soul of Putin?
	Oh, yes.
	Okay.
	We should get to that.
	Oh, this isn't going to be controversial.
	Well, it might be actually, because the way I am, I'm not particularly a fan of Western governments and NGOs, the WEF and NATO and all that kind of stuff, and basically my views on this haven't changed.
	But a couple of years ago, a thing happened in Ukraine, and all of a sudden I started having people telling me that I was a Putin shill or something, because I was anti-Putin.
	Anti-NATO and all of these sorts of things.
	And to begin with, I just sort of just knocked it back.
	But then I got fed up with that and I thought, well, fuck it, let's just roll with it then.
	So basically, what I want to do in this segment is... Hang on, so your evolution of... Well, I'm still not pro-Putin, which is why this segment is called I Don't Like Putin But... Because, you know, he is a sort of managerial elite.
	He's a thugster, he's a dictator, he's all of those things.
	But why were you getting shtick?
	Were you not sufficiently anti-Putin?
	I don't know how social media works, but I think if you don't pay a certain level of lip service, then that people... Well, basically because I'm critical of the way that Western governments have behaved overseas and organisations like NATO and so on, and the US State Department and so on.
	And what they did is a very reductive, you know, if you're not on our side, you're on his side.
	So by extension, you must be pro-Putin.
	It's actually a lot shorter in person.
	But eventually you just get to the point where you think, "Well, okay, why don't we just compare him to what we've got then?" And see how that measures up.
	So again, still, I'm not being pro-Putin, but...
	Well, let's start with this video.
	Now, the setup here is...
	He's actually a lot shorter in person.
	What is he, like 5'7"?
	Yeah, he's the boss energy in this though.
	You wait till you see the boss energy.
	I'm gonna have to live dub it as we go for the people who are listening rather than watching because it's in Russian.
	But basically the setup here is he's turned up to a dispute, an industrial dispute that's been dragging on.
	So let's listen to this and I'll dub it.
	Vladimir Putin strode into town.
	Why didn't you think this before now?
	I ran around like cockroaches when I said I was coming.
	Unlike Medvedev, Putin confronted the factory owners.
	You've taken these people hostage.
	With your ambitions, incompetence and pure greed.
	or maybe just trivialness.
	Thousands of people.
	These are thousands of lies.
	This is absolutely unacceptable.
	It's absolutely unacceptable.
	If the owners can't come to an agreement, when this factory will be restarted, one way or another, I'll do it without you.
	He demanded the owners, including billionaire Oleg Deripaska, sign an undertaking to restart the factories.
	Did everybody sign this agreement?
	Have you signed it?
	I can't see your signature.
	Sign it.
	And this is the best bit coming up here.
	Here's the agreement.
	Give me back my pen.
	Classic Putin.
	Billionaire oligarch.
	Made him look like a little schoolboy.
	So, anyway.
	Boss energy.
	You know, you can see that just from the body language, you can kind of see the training he had on the KGB.
	Just the ability to influence and to intimidate just comes across with the way he speaks.
	He uses very short sentences.
	He's very blunt, obviously, which I think is more of an Eastern European thing.
	But his body language is very open.
	I mean, I don't know if you've heard of this.
	You know Narendra Modi?
	PM of India.
	There was this meme about him based on something that he said that he has a 32 inch chest and his whole kind of masculine persona is the fact that he's an unmarried man, he's a bachelor, he's dedicated himself to the state of India and he has a really broad chest so when he walks around you can see like he kind of pushes his scapula down and like his shoulders back and Putin has the same kind of body language.
	I mean before obviously the war in Ukraine I used to post memes because I just he was he was very like almost like a caricature for me Like that whole ultra machismo, but you can actually analyze it.
	You can study the way, how his physicality kind of, I don't know, ameliorates his persona, I guess.
	He doesn't have to throw punches.
	It's just the whole confident masculine energy that he projects.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, I find it fascinating.
	Also memeable, but also fascinating.
	Yeah, and then, so, you know, that's Putin, right?
	Confident, capable, in command, getting things done, masculine energy.
	Let's compare that to, next video please, this is Rishi Sunak trying to look hard with his banging beats.
	I'm going to stop the boat.
	Here are five things I'm doing to stop the boats.
	First, I'm bringing in new laws that will mean if you come to the UK illegally, you can't stay, no matter how hard you try.
	Secondly, I've secured a deal with France that will help stop the boats.
	Let's get rid of him.
	We won't have to listen to the whole thing.
	This is like GCSE drama from a boy in public school.
	Do you know what I mean?
	It kind of gives, as someone who unfortunately knows loads of when I went to public school.
	It gives that quiet, you know, I'm just going to do it because I need a C grade.
	It's impotent energy, this one.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, Trudeau is a perfect example.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I could have easily added Trudeau to this, but...
	I made a point of saying I could never, I could never, like, I could never go near Trudeau like in a sexual capacity.
	He's just so repulsive to me and most women I know.
	Trudeau is feminine energy.
	At least Rishi Sonick is just muted male energy.
	Yeah, he's the kind of public schoolboy that's given up.
	Yeah, but Trudeau is just...
	Yes.
	It's unacceptable.
	Right, and if you think that... He doesn't have testicles, but Trudeau is probably a rapist, is the kind of thing I have... I don't think he has... I don't think... No, I don't think Trudeau... I get like male feminist vibes.
	From Trudeau?
	Yes.
	I actually don't think he's attracted to women, but that's a different conversation.
	That's probably true.
	Right, now if you think Sunuk was bad, let's have a look at... Oh, and the other thing about Sunuk, right, is even when he goes, we're just going to get some, we're going to get Starmer, aren't we?
	So some West trilateral commission... You know, it's interesting how Western politics has evolved, like, you know, now we've evolved to be almost repulsed by a masculine, like, machismo man.
	When it really should come down to the actual politics, what they're proposing and all of that, but we've now curated kind of what we think is an acceptable leader or archetype of a leader to be almost like a neutered man.
	Yeah, I was talking about this in Contemplations, where Contemplations is not out yet with Josh, and we're talking about that and about how sort of Western power structures have become very feminized.
	And with masculine power structures that we used to have, and Russia still has today, there's a very clear line.
	And if you cross it, or even look like you're about to approach it, you basically get told, no, that's the line.
	Whereas in very feminine power structures, such as we've got today, it's very much based on emotion, and it can move from day to day.
	And it's all about feelings, how you've made people feel.
	Like we talked about in the first segment, have you made people feel like you're being racist, or anti-Semitic, or whatever it is?
	I think maybe because our view of leadership has evolved, I guess.
	I don't know if it's a positive or a negative thing.
	You know, back in the day, we used to think a leader was strong and made decisions, took responsibility, he or she took responsibility and all of that.
	And now we just have someone who brings everyone together and makes you feel good and tries to be kind of almost complacent and appeasing.
	I've seen it in my lifetime and I find it quite interesting, I guess.
	It's strange to me because that's still not the conception of leadership that I have, but that's because I didn't grow up with it.
	The next example doesn't even do that.
	Can we play the Joe Biden clip?
	This is Biden on the stage.
	For those of you listening, he's coming out.
	He's trying to do the robot.
	He's a bit confused.
	He's forgotten where he is.
	He's trying to get off the stage, but there's no ladder there.
	And the compere is now trying to rescue him by talking to him until somebody can go up there and get him.
	This makes me sad.
	And there's a hundred clips like this, obviously.
	Yes.
	There he is.
	He's about to fall off the stage, so they have to pan away from him so that somebody can catch him.
	This makes me sad.
	Yes.
	It does make me sad because he should be somewhere eating pudding in a retirement home somewhere.
	And the point is that that's the guy leading a nuclear superpower.
	Oh, he's not leading anything.
	This is the thing.
	He's not doing anything.
	Biden's administration is Obama 2.0.
	Everyone pulling the strings in the back end are from Obama's administration.
	This man doesn't know anything.
	He makes no decisions.
	I think he's limited to a five hour working day, which is patently absurd.
	I can't even believe it.
	Quite impressive at his age and his level of dementia.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Bless him.
	The reason I bring up Biden in direct comparison to Putin is, according to YouGov, I found a poll that suggested that Putin has a 21% approval rating in America.
	I suspect... Biden has a 36% approval rating in America.
	So Putin is only 15 points behind Biden in america do they dissect did they dissect like by age and sort of you know various demographics yeah which were support based in the u.s because i suspect it's probably young men that are just sick of seeing kind of this infantilized political system that is rife amongst the worst where it's not only infantilized it's also very um kind of centric i suppose and very aged very tame
	um different kind of the things that attract me to putin is is that he has a sort of the things that attracted me to putin well yeah Not to be taken out of context, is he promotes his own national interest.
	He's got a strong sense of Russia, which Western countries is almost illegal to be pro-Western in Western countries now.
	This is why we love Eastern Europe in general.
	It's not just Russia, of course.
	I mean, the people who love Putin or post memes about him usually are obsessed also with Poland, and in particular Hungary.
	Because both of their leaders, when they come out, whichever one's in charge, will be like, well, it's not in Hungarian interest, so no, we're not going to do it.
	Actually, I would go further and I would say that it's basically everyone but the West.
	I don't even think it's just, I mean, obviously Putin is an example of that kind of ultra-nationalism, but I think genuinely the West has an acute The reason I bring up those two is just because that's the ones that usually get given as an example.
	someone from ecuador you can meet someone from malaysia you can meet someone from anywhere and there's there's still a sense of sort of national identity and national pride it just doesn't exist in the west and i'm you know obviously well that's exactly what i'm picking up on yes national pride and leadership and confidence in yourselves as a people yeah the reason i bring up those two is just because that's the ones that usually get given as an example i mean i guess maybe the leader of singapore i forget his name yeah i'm no longer in charge because i think he might be dead actually but the point being yeah
	when do you ever hear a british politician say actually we won't invade Iraq because it's not in the UK interest.
	America, if you want to, that's fine, we're just not paying a penny.
	If they're interested.
	I mean, when would a British leader, whichever next war the Americans drag us into... We're a satrapy.
	I mean, the alternative would be, you'd go to the Americans normally and say, okay, we'll join you, but you need to give us a billion dollars per division.
	To an extent, the French have that, to an extent.
	I mean, but they've always had one eye elsewhere because of kind of the colonial past and all of that.
	But I think, yeah, well, yeah, but the thing is, they've always had that.
	Even, not Sarkozy, the guy that came after him, Hollande, this impotent, useless socialist, he still had a sense of that, right?
	That just doesn't exist in, I would say, the UK and certainly not the US anymore, depending on where the election swings next year.
	The other thing that I think that he's done effectively is...
	I mean, this is how politics really works.
	It's the friend-enemy distinction.
	That underlies all of this.
	And basically, what's happened is, and this is something that really came out from a conversation I had, which is the segment I'm going to promote.
	John, I'm going to skip a couple of items.
	Let's just go to the Broconomics, which is coming out later today.
	Yeah, that one.
	So that's the segment I'm going to promote today.
	So it's the Broconomics, the economics of empire with Neema Parveen.
	And we really got into this distinction as to how politics operates.
	And effectively, this whole thing that, you know, war is a continuation of politics by other means.
	We sort of discussed that.
	I actually really know it's the other way around.
	The war comes first because the friend-enemy distinction comes first.
	And the friend-enemy distinction is very clear, very useful for when you're fighting a war.
	It's not very useful when you're trying to build bridges or opera theatres or the rest of it.
	So you build this body of law up.
	But it has to work on the basis that we are all friends.
	We are all together on some sort of national project and that is exactly the mechanism that's broken down in the West.
	The friend-enemy distinction has re-emerged and it's particularly stark in the US at the moment where basically you've got segments of America completely at war with each other.
	What Putin has done, which is the attractive thing in this sense, is he has had this sort of iron fist and brutal dictatorship and murderous approach to all of these things, which is, yes, fair.
	That's all good criticism.
	But he has basically united Russia as, if you're going to operate in Russia today, you have to be a friend of Putin.
	Mutual interests are being continually defined, and I think he's more upfront about it.
	I think the West isn't.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's what it boils down to.
	And once everybody is now in the tent of being a friend of Putin, they can then get on with doing things in a cooperative fashion, which just can't function in the West at the moment.
	But that does mean that certain things basically just get pushed out of the political arena, certain things that we're not going to discuss.
	So the criticism of Putin that you hear all the time is that he's not friendly enough to the LG...
	You know, I can't answer the part of your question about whether homosexuals are born or made.
	That is beyond my professional interest.
	That's actually a video, what Putin thinks that this is.
	Yes, let's see him in his own way.
	I don't even need to live dub this one because the BBC has done it for me.
	You know, I can't answer the part of your question about whether homosexuals are born or made.
	That is beyond my professional interest.
	I'm just not qualified to respond.
	I'm not qualified.
	I would like to draw your attention to the fact that in Russia, unlike in one third of world's countries, being gay is not a crime.
	In 70 countries there is criminal liability for homosexuality.
	And in seven of those countries, they have the death penalty for homosexuality.
	We have recently passed a law prohibiting propaganda.
	And not of homosexuality only, but of homosexuality and child abuse.
	Child sexual abuse.
	But this is nothing to do with persecuting individuals for their sexual orientation.
	There is a world of difference between these two things.
	So there is no danger for individuals of this non-traditional sexual orientation who are planning to come to the Games as visitors or participants.
	What about the Russian church people who have called for the return of criminal law against homosexual people?
	Do you support that?
	Are you horrified by it?
	What's your attitude?
	In law, the Church is separate from the state and has the right to its own point of view.
	I would also like to point out that almost all traditional world religions agree on this topic.
	Is the position of the Holy See different from that of the Russian Orthodox Church?
	Does Islam treat individuals with non-traditional sexual orientation differently?
	We can scrap that.
	But, you know, he makes a key point.
	I mean, in the West, you know, we do all this promotion of the alphabet people.
	We get the police with their, you know, their cars with the rainbows out, you know, splashed all over them.
	They don't park those cars outside a mosque, do they?
	They're not pushing that.
	And as soon as the Muslims pushed back on, you know, the alphabet stuff in school, the pride flags in school, you know, they won instantly.
	So we contain all of these, you know, weird contradictions.
	Whereas what Putin's done, he's basically just sided the line on several things and pushed them out of the political arena.
	So you can still do your, you know, your special bedroom activities or whatever it is, but you just can't go around promoting them in schools.
	I think the argument that people make is the personal is political but you're right you have to find a way to separate the two because We have to find a way to coexist, right?
	I mean, with respect to Russia, they don't have to deal with the kind of demographics that many Western countries do, where they don't have, you know, people from also, I mean, in Britain in particular, you have people from what used to be the Empire, all coexisting with different religions and different identities and all of that.
	I often tell people, you know, I... Actually, Callum, you mentioned to me earlier, but they do have a, they've had a lot more diversity lately.
	No, so the Russian Federation is a big place, it has ethnic minority republics, which is obviously what makes it.
	It's not as Russian as people usually think, it's about 80-something percent, but because the UK has become more and more diverse over time, we're now actually equaling them, even though they're a massive place that encompasses... Because it was built in from the end of the Soviet Union?
	That says more about us.
	They used to be way more diverse.
	When they were a Russian imperial empire, the Russians were actually a minority in the empire.
	Okay, interesting.
	But yeah, how do we co-exist?
	How do we co-exist with people that want to, you know, wave the pride flag around and, you know, traditional... But I'm just more bothered by the... Don't want their kids exposed to that sort of thing.
	I mean, literally, how do we co-exist?
	I'm just more concerned with the contradictions that we have on this stuff.
	You know, we have these sort of, you know, the Muslims versus the alphabet people contradictions that we just sort of, you know, pretend aren't happening.
	This is how it's Muslims, not Christians, even though we technically live in a Christian country.
	Yeah.
	Which, again... This is the UK and the Anglosphere again, because, I mean, you're correct to point out that, look, Putin sits here and tells you the obvious truth, which is, you know, lots of these countries it's illegal to be, all the world religions agree on this, so I don't know why you're acting like this is so unusual.
	But he's not the only one.
	I mean, again, all of the Eastern European countries that people promote on the same sort of lines, they've done the same thing where they say, okay, well, no homosexual propaganda.
	Hungary got criticized for this.
	And then when people said this will oppress homosexuals who want to live normal lives, it ended up oppressing people who wanted to make, well, fallacies in kids' faces.
	That logic doesn't resonate with me.
	Either that or someone hasn't explained it to me properly.
	How would not having anything to do with a sexuality, any sort of The argument goes that... How is that oppressing you?
	So the argument goes that, oh, you want to be against homosexual propaganda.
	What you really mean is hating gay people.
	So you're going to stop telling kids that gay people exist and therefore they're going to go and confuse the gay kids.
	But why does it have to be one or the other?
	Why can't it just be... Well, it never actually happens because that's not what the law says.
	Because it's the same as the first segment.
	It's a massive grift.
	Whereas what Putin's doing here is he's basically just saying, look, that is out of the political sphere.
	You know, we're not going to waste our energies on this, which they can apply their energies to something else.
	I mean, the argument that people make is that sort of in kindergartens and sort of when teaching young children, they talk about traditional families of mommy and daddy and all of that.
	And then their argument is, why can't we have mommy and mommy and daddy and daddy?
	And I'm like, OK, let's have it this way.
	Teachers can stick to maths, geography, science, history, and all the rest of it.
	You leave anything to do with morality and sexuality at home.
	But then their argument is that, oh, well, then some kids don't learn.
	That's not your prerogative.
	You're not the parent of the child.
	And I keep pushing this, not because, well, when it's a parental rights issue, but also you should be questioning why you think teachers should have the power to teach these kids these things when it really should be in the domain of the home and the values and the culture that the parents want to rethink.
	And why do they feel the need to push this stuff so much anyway?
	And the other criticism they always make of Putin is his tight grip on the media, which I'm sure that's true to an extent.
	But look, what we've got over here is we've got... Western media or media in Russia?
	Well, the Western criticism of Putin is going to be that his tight grip on media and he's controlling the news flow and all that kind of stuff.
	I don't know to what extent that's true.
	Where are they?
	In Russia, OK.
	But I mean, over here, you know, we got Julian Assange rotting in prison on false charges for decades.
	We've got cancellations.
	We've got demonetisation.
	I mean, we've been demonetised here.
	We have a decent chunk of our revenue just snapped away from it because we're not towing the party line on stuff.
	It's not entirely dissimilar.
	Of course, it's worse than the Russian Federation of Press Freedom.
	I'm not trying to say they're better, I'm just trying to say we've both had it.
	But if you look at the launch of GB News, for example, the only television channel in this country that is not, well, basically pro-establishment, de facto, Yeah, regime.
	The amount of abuse and harassment and... I mean, not from people whining on Twitter.
	Oh, from Ofcom and stuff.
	Yeah, not only Ofcom, but the state actors, politicians, and the advertisers being attacked.
	That being the main source of actually oppression in the West is destroying your ability to even operate financially.
	Not just putting you in prison, because that's too obvious.
	And so, I kind of get annoyed when people are like, well, we're so different.
	It's like, we are different significantly, don't get me wrong, but we're not that different.
	It's freer in the United States than it is in the UK, for sure.
	And, well, the UK's got that problem again, where if you want to be actual opposition It's not easy.
	It's a pain.
	Well, at a minimum, if we're going to criticise Putin for this stuff, we shouldn't be doing it ourselves, just not doing it to a slightly lesser extent.
	But I mean, the whole criticism, all this stuff, comes down to basically the idea that, you know, we're a liberal democracy.
	And because we're a liberal democracy and Russia is a dictatorship, that means we get to choose our priorities.
	We get to choose what we want.
	We get to have our say.
	I mean, I was having a conversation with a man who runs a think tank and I was saying, you know, when you take a hardline position and say we are, you know, the arbiters of freedom, we are a liberal democracy and all of that, you have to uphold certain standards because if not, you cannot go like James Clever going to Russia and China.
	You're like, oh, by the way, let's, you know, have a more intimate economic relationship, but bad you for doing what you do to the Uyghurs.
	Normative values in international relations is a tricky thing because you just can't have it because economic interests usually trump any sort of political or social life.
	We put everything into the political sphere and we've drawn no hard lines on anything like Putin is here.
	So when we say we're a liberal democracy we get to choose what we want.
	So can I have justice for the 19,000 girls raped in No, I can't.
	Can I have pride kept out of schools?
	No, I can't.
	Can I have less immigration, like we've been promised, repeatedly?
	No, I can't have that.
	Can I say no to you, Les?
	Or 15-minute cities?
	Even when you win politically, get the votes to have immigration lowered, it still goes up.
	I think the overarching question is who gets to control the Overton window?
	Because the reality is, once it's become accepted that this line of speech or this line of thought can be disseminated to the public, that's when the needle starts to move.
	That's what I've noticed.
	So who gets to control that?
	Well, the power is with the globalists.
	You know, we have a Prime Minister who is literally a globalist installed leader.
	You know, Boris Johnson won an election and he was ousted.
	Liz Trust sort of won an election, I know it was only Conservative members, but then she was ousted and we got a globalist put in.
	And we're about to have, you know, we're going to swap the blue team for the red team and we're going to have another globalist, a member, a literal member of the Trilateral Commission who said he was more comfortable in Davos than he was in a British pub.
	So, you know, we are ruled by a dictatorship.
	They just muddy everything and throw everything into the political and have us fighting amongst ourselves constantly as opposed to this model where some guy just says yes and no and then basically they get to... I have unlimited terms and I win every election.
	Yeah, at least you know where you stand.
	But it's more honest than the globalist uniparty that we have that wins every election and just says that we get to decide, but we don't.
	I think things are shifting, definitely slower in the West, and I think definitely the kind of The appeal of the globalist agenda is more potent in English-speaking countries, English-speaking Western countries than the West in general.
	So you'd have Germany that's probably a bit more... well, it has the issue of the EU to deal with.
	But you have countries like France, for instance, that have a bit more leeway there.
	But I do think it's mainly English-speaking Western countries.
	The issue is...
	We effectively have to take America's lead and the more America realizes that it's in their best interest to be more regional or have more kind of regional priorities and nationalists I guess.
	As long as the region doesn't extend to Well, the thing is regional will shrink geographically.
	So you're going to look at sort of the kind of Canada-Mexico-America alliance become more pronounced in the next years because as a supply chain shift... That will probably happen by default because China will become a regional superpower and become an uncontested regional superpower which will force America to become a regional superpower.
	Yeah, exactly.
	There's a lot of literature to suggest that a lot of countries are actually putting their regional and national interests first.
	I mean, that's kind of the evolution of prioritizing your national interest.
	Look at India.
	India's bought up a whole lot of cheap Russian oil and gas and is selling it on to the West.
	Yeah, they're just passing it through and marking up.
	Exactly.
	Is India explaining to us how arbitrage works?
	I think the frustration is when you live in the UK and you look at the likes of the Sunaks and the Borises and all of that, you don't feel like there's hope.
	My central frustration is that we're told we live in a democracy where we get to pick what goes on, and we're not.
	It's a globalist dictatorship.
	And this is another dictatorship, but it's just more honest.
	And actually, the set of values behind it, which are more masculine and nationalistic, is like, you know, go Russia.
	You know, I just kind of think, why can't we have some of that energy here?
	I have a theory because I think that people, so you know how people say that having too much choice is not a good thing because you become overwhelmed and you kind of try and look for a safety net somewhere with people that you trust or something like that.
	I think that's the same thing with what's happening in the West.
	There is a plethora of political thought and choices you can make but people are only exposed to a little bit of it because whoever controls the Overton window on what's acceptable discussion is saying actually these are far right views or far left views.
	phased out of public discourse as much as possible, which is why you see the rise of independent media creators like that still trying to disseminate it as much as they can.
	And I think that's the fundamental issue.
	I don't think people think that they're allowed to want, you know, certain things.
	I don't think people are allowed to want no immigration or stop the boats or, you know, I don't know, a masculine leader or whatever it is that can, you know, that takes their fancy.
	And I think that's mainly the issue.
	Yeah.
	And because it's zapping our national confidence, and I just wanted to end on a counter-example of the positive sort of cultural confidence that you're seeing.
	Let's play this video.
	I love this one.
	We've got the sound.
	It's better with the sound.
	These women are very hot.
	What does it look like in hot Russia?
	This is a sort of... In fact, Callum, can you explain what's going on there, Callum?
	Can you explain the sound of a little bit, Kelly?
	Oh wait, that music.
	Okay, but they're very hot.
	Has no one else noticed how sexy these women are?
	My main thought is that's a party where I should be, I think.
	Okay, so if you pause the audio, I'll explain the context here if I can.
	So my understanding is that is an event put on by United Russia, which is Putin's party.
	The reason there are all women in the front is because that's just good camera work.
	Get the women, they look good.
	The reason there's such good-looking women in Russia is because it's Russia that is true.
	It's a significant problem they have that every woman is a 10 out of 10 in the cities.
	It's madness.
	Oh, that must be an awful problem to have.
	You'd hate that, wouldn't you?
	Not a Lizzo-sized woman in sight.
	It's horrific, I'm sure.
	But the thing they're singing there is I'm Russian, which is a song by a pop singer who's very popular with the Kremlin.
	So it is a party event.
	Do not get this wrong.
	This is not some spontaneous event.
	Can you imagine young conservatives doing that?
	No.
	I mean, the Young Conservatives, in my experience, don't have much charisma to do that anyway.
	Let's take the most critical example of the Young Conservatives.
	Let's say they're all ugly creatures who have very little patriotism in them.
	I still can't imagine them all standing there and singing Land of Hope and Glory in a patriotic way.
	This is my point.
	Look at the strong cultural energy, the passion.
	We just don't have any of this.
	Even if it's the ruling party's events, Yes.
	We need a little bit more faith in ourselves.
	So, you know, I don't like Putin, but he has got some things right.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	Trying to figure out what I should and shouldn't say and I didn't want to interrupt you.
	Yeah, I was about to say.
	He highlights, I suppose, in his own warped way, he highlights a lot of the deficiencies of the West, which I think is a fair criticism.
	He makes us look bad by comparison, yes.
	I mean, I think it's ludicrous that I, an immigrant, I'm the person that has to keep telling people in this country, you guys have it really good, don't destroy it, be proud.
	You know, those are the kinds of things I'm like, okay, yeah, fair enough.
	That's a very good friend of mine.
	He's ethnic Russian.
	I met his dad recently in Russia.
	He has a job in Manchester and then has a house back in Russia.
	Anyway, so I'm speaking to him and he just says to me like, please Callum, you need, you people need to rise up and fix your own country.
	We can all see it from the outside.
	Yeah.
	It's like, yeah, yeah.
	Anyway, we shall move on.
	To the people profiting, because of course we spoke about the corruption in our system, the fact that it's really broken on a lot of levels, and we wouldn't have time to go into people profiting from every kind of broken part of our system.
	So I'll focus specifically on a story about those profiting from the Sea People.
	The Sea People?
	You know what?
	These nicknames, okay.
	You get the reference to the Sea People or not?
	The Sea People, what, the Channelites?
	No, but yes.
	That sounds like something out of Star Wars.
	But the Sea People are a real thing in history, and now for us in real terms.
	And, well, they've been invading the UK, and the response from the British government has not been one of a country that puts its own interests first, which would be, you're a criminal, we put you back in France, which is what the Hungarians do with anyone crossing from Serbia.
	Instead, we just give them money.
	But we don't give them the money, do we?
	We take some rich friend of ours, who's a friend of the government, if we're the government, and say, OK, we'll give you a contract, house all these people, we give you loads of money, and then you give us kickbacks.
	This is the pure corruption in a specific example in our country.
	And we can see how it really works, because thankfully we now have the deets.
	We'll start off by promoting something on LowSears.com, this being Ted Kaczynski's manifesto.
	Entirely unrelated, by the way, I just needed something to promote.
	To be clear, we're not promoting Kaczynski's manifesto.
	It's an explanation.
	We're promoting a discussion of The Manifesto, yes.
	The Industrial Society and its future and its consequences.
	Anyway, but a whole other thing.
	Let's go to our society, which is insane.
	I mean, this is just to make the point that it's not just this.
	There's obviously lots of other things I could endlessly speak on.
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The people listening, we're looking at Turning Point UK tweeting out an image which was a hand putting a ballot in the Welsh elections.
	It was a white hand.
	And for some reason the BBC blacked up the hand because, well, it's run by insane people.
	They're literally half-glued.
	To your earlier point, this is something that only Europeans... Oh yeah, honestly, if you dropped me in the UK and I didn't know where I was and I just turned on the TV and I was looking at ads, I would think I was in Brazil.
	Because every couple is some sort of mixed race.
	Even though they make up 3% of the population.
	So that's the thing that gets me.
	And it's always a black man and a white woman.
	It is never a black woman and a white man.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Or a guy in his 60s with a 20-year-old Thai bride.
	Thai bride!
	It's never realistically.
	It is literally always a black man, no, a black man and a white woman.
	Why?
	The thing is, I question the motive behind it.
	Why do they feel the need to do this?
	Look, I don't have a problem with it.
	People are people, whatever.
	But if I went back home to Ghana and I saw makeup billboards and all the women on it were Korean, I would have questions.
	Because West African women don't look Korean.
	You wouldn't get a Nigerian election advert where they white it up.
	This is the thing.
	So I question why.
	I mean, you know, multiculturalism, I get it, but it's cringey and it doesn't seem necessary.
	And for me, I suspect there is, I don't understand the reasoning behind it because I just, I don't, I don't get it.
	I don't think it's necessary.
	I mean, your example is very good, which is if you went to Ghana and then saw they changed the morph for Koreans.
	Yeah, all the makeup ads and everything.
	And then you went and met the people who had done this.
	You probably find that they're all politically captured in some new age, ridiculous political worldview that Koreans are the super race or something.
	I mean, that would be the only possible explanation.
	But the thing is, whenever people say like, oh, I was in a room with so many white people, I'm like, you know, Britain is a Northern European country.
	What do you think Northern Europeans look like?
	90%?
	But this is the thing, London is not the UK, and I say this as someone who lives in London, it's not representative of the entire United Kingdom and I don't understand this kind of insecurity around that.
	I don't understand the insecurity around it.
	Because we're run by psychopaths.
	I find it strange.
	Look, it doesn't offend me.
	I just don't get it, personally.
	I don't understand it.
	Before I move on from this, there is actually your point of the idea of an African country wiping up.
	It did happen.
	Oh, really?
	The Nigerian government had to pass a law, in fact, to insist that... Okay, I stand corrected.
	They said that... What was it?
	Skin bleaching?
	It was about, well no, they kept having white people in the adverts, so they passed a law saying 80% of all Nigerian adverts must have black people in them, because they kept doing it to be like, you know, African reasons.
	But getting back into it, because I didn't want to have a conversation about this particular problem, it's just to demonstrate there is insanity on all fronts in our society because of the people who run it.
	But the migrant situation we can most easily explain, because I mean the previous one, I mean that's just people who are off their rocker, I mean if they were sniffing meth they would have more of a reason to do what they're doing when Why they're actually doing it.
	But here's the story.
	Hotel tycoons, security firm bosses... I can't read that word because I'm stupid.
	Uh, just... Oh, crash managers.
	Crash managers?
	Yeah, crash, like... Oh, that's how you write that.
	Like kindergartens, like babies, basically.
	Uh, yeah, nurseries.
	I've only ever seen that.
	Nurseries, that's it.
	I've only ever heard that word.
	It's French, it's actually French.
	Oh, that's a good thing.
	Just some of the scores of people ranking monstrous sums every single day through the asylum seeker crisis.
	So this dude is getting 14 million a day looking after the Sea People.
	We will find worse.
	So the Sea People, of course, I've been and met them.
	I went to Serbia and I went to a migrant camp and interviewed the guys and all of them said they were coming to the UK because of money.
	Well, yes.
	Right, so you'll have to excuse me for anyone who's not familiar.
	I don't give a crap about these people because when you ask them why they came, they're not fleeing war or persecution.
	They're not someone... Well, the overwhelming majority are economic migrants and I know this because... I hate that term.
	Genuine asylum seekers don't have money to be paying people smugglers and all of that.
	I mean... Sorry to be a bit rude because I've had this myself where I've started saying like irregular migration and these weasel words that are always in the media that we pick up.
	Economic migrant?
	What the hell does that mean?
	That's a guy that broke into your country because he wants your money.
	I'm sorry, if someone breaks into my house and is like, give me a job.
	I think economic migrant.
	I don't know if it's the nicer word, because what would you call it?
	Commercial migrant?
	Because clearly there's a financial incentive for them.
	There's a difference in that word.
	It never gets applied to someone who has come for a job through the legal means.
	Like if I apply for a work visa to the UK and get one, like I'm usually described as... You're an expat.
	Yeah, or expat or some word like this.
	Economic migrant only ever gets described to Mohammed from Morocco Oh, I see what you mean.
	The dichotomy is a strange thing.
	He couldn't find a good enough paying job, as in like, he had a job that paid for his rent and his life and he was earning money if he saved it instead of spending it on booze.
	But he just couldn't be bothered, so he thought he'd break into Spain.
	Yeah, okay.
	I see, I see your point.
	It doesn't trans... Okay, so what... And that's the people I met in Serbia.
	What would we say?
	What would we call it?
	Um, bastards.
	I mean, the thing is, like... Well, the old term is illegal alien, so I would use that one because it's... Actually, to be honest, I think illegal migrant is fine.
	But the thing is, people that say, oh, no one is illegal, well, you're moronic, because the definition of illegal in this context is someone who doesn't enter the UK via a port of entry, like an airport, for instance, or like an actual port, like legally, the legal route.
	So I think it's, yeah, I think illegal migrant is fine.
	I'd prefer criminal entrant or something like that.
	Well, yeah, or that, yeah.
	Piss taker or anything else.
	I know this is uncomfortable to say, but the vast majority of them are men.
	The vast majority of young men.
	99% I mean it's a comical trend.
	I mean I think you know if you're genuinely fleeing a war zone you should be ashamed that you're leaving women.
	I think there is a good reason why the overweight 40 year old feminists are so in favor of this kind of immigration.
	I didn't want to get into a whole debate about that situation because we all are well aware of how criminal this all is.
	Although Keff and Kelly having sex with their clients is a whole other concept.
	But I wanted to talk about the millionaires here who are just taking the piss, frankly.
	And I can make a defense of them, which is, well... Good on them.
	Make money off government incompetence.
	Screw it.
	The government's got to give me money for selling out the country.
	Why not become a millionaire while it sinks?
	But that argument kind of loses steam when we've seen hotels across the country who were offered these million pound contracts and went screw you to the central government.
	We've been through various small run places that are called like the White Hart or something else, you know, these homely hotels that were offered here's two million quid a year for housing these people who are taking the piss just to get them off our back.
	And these tiny little run businesses all went pfft.
	Well, because it's not good for business.
	Yeah, but these people are not just heroes.
	They're like patriotic prophets or something.
	Like, they're actually living and showing us the way of how to defend your own nation in a day-to-day sphere.
	And these individuals decided, I like money.
	So, we'll read this.
	With Britain facing a permanent migrant backlog costing the taxpayer five billion pounds now a year, Used to be in the millions!
	Anyway, so the industry has become rather profitable, they write.
	Such companies will inevitably reap more dividends as the Home Office continues to struggle with enacting the law and says they now have 175,000 foreigners in the system.
	That's gone up another 20,000 this year, 5,000 this month alone.
	I mean, I think yesterday had the highest number of immigrant intake in one day.
	Yeah.
	It's funny what happens when you set up a system where you need guaranteed customers to keep the corrupt flow of cash.
	And you make many people along that chain incredibly rich for doing so.
	Who are they?
	I mean, of these people.
	Yeah, this one here, this is Debbie.
	Debbie, I'm sure.
	She keeps the house rather well.
	There we are.
	I'm a fan of her gardening.
	Dress sense, that's lovely.
	I'm sure she bakes wonderful cakes.
	But, Debbie, well, you did choose the money, didn't you?
	So you deserve the scorn, which is she gets paid 2.2 million pounds a year to facilitate this.
	Wow.
	The way she facilitates it is providing accommodation to these people who are breaking into our country because we literally will give them free money by the state.
	It's not us, it's the state, of course, stealing our money.
	What did they write about her life here?
	Shall we read a little bit about her life?
	Glad she's doing well.
	She and her husband Peter have used the profits to fund a lavish lifestyle which includes a string of exotic trips to events such as the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix and jaunts to Dubai, Bhutan, the Indian Taj Mahal as well among them.
	Debbie and her husband live in a three million pound converted mill in West Yorkshire with a swimming pool, jacuzzi and a basement wine cellar.
	That's nice.
	That is a beautiful garden.
	Honestly, I'm very jealous.
	I love the lake.
	They also linked the property to a cottage via a glass spiral staircase.
	That's nice.
	I love interior design like that.
	That's fantastic.
	Aside from its rich pickings from the Home Office, Keldar, the company she runs, was reported to have been in secret talks in 2020 with the Ministry of Justice to take 2,000 prisoners to a Butlins holiday camp in Skegness to ease the prisons.
	Obviously, that was not proper and, in my opinion, retarded.
	So that plan was scrapped, thankfully, although I wouldn't be surprised if the government did go through with it in the end.
	Thankfully, they didn't.
	The house you can see here with its lovely garden there, I mean, for people listening, the word heaven comes to mind.
	That's a perfectly manicured garden.
	I mean, if you picture your life in heaven and it's a huge house with a massive... I mean, that is it, really.
	That's the view.
	Well, I mean, you say she's getting 2 million a year.
	I mean, even if you're getting 200 million a year, you probably wouldn't do much better than that.
	No?
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's the upper ceiling.
	Well, for some reason, they listed some more information in the Daily Mail here.
	They obviously can't give you the postal code, and also I won't because that would be a crime.
	But I did manage to find out where she lives from the data given.
	And so I looked up where she lived.
	For some reason, Debbie and Peter over here, who live quite a nice life facilitating the illegal invasion.
	Again, not their fault.
	The government's going to give them the money.
	Why not take it?
	You could argue.
	You could argue that.
	Well, they decided to live in an area that's 92.5% white British.
	Oh, shocker.
	Okay.
	That's going to be a running theme, in case you're wondering.
	I love that the government did give us the ethnic data map.
	I don't know if you've seen it.
	It's quite fun.
	They didn't put themselves in an apartment next to the hotel, then?
	They would never.
	They'd disturb their sleep.
	You think that they would be anywhere near such people.
	It's probably how they'd phrase it.
	They're not the only ones.
	There's the contract king.
	This guy is the best of the best, let's say, in terms of money maker.
	He runs Clearspring.
	25 million quid a year.
	So, that's 2.7 million a month.
	So, what's that?
	About half a million a week.
	So he's on a footballer wage.
	There we are.
	Clear Springs, in case you're wondering, they got given the license to run all of the accommodation for the south of England.
	So you know how you might cut up, you know, drug territory about which cartel gets which turf?
	For some reason, the government decided to do the same scheme.
	Assuming the civil servants that facilitated this are not completely incompetent, that would mean that this is probably the cheapest way they could do it.
	There was some accusations that for some reason some of the civil servants, particularly the permanent secretaries, were having meetings with the people who run the various companies.
	For some reason they didn't pay a bill when they had these meetings at five-star hotels in London.
	Didn't influence their decisions, I'm sure.
	Anyway, so for some reason they offered the entire South of the English, well, land to this man to operate these... So he's the Sea People Czar for the South?
	Yes, he is.
	I like that, Czar.
	His fiefdom is completely legal and gets 25 million out of it.
	The 2021 budget, the firm's takings from a home office, came out of the government's foreign aid budget for some reason.
	Which amounted to half a billion pounds.
	Well, I suppose at least if it's money that we're just going to throw away anyway.
	Might as well make this Blofeld chat.
	You know who should be the most infuriated by this?
	Homeless people.
	Yes.
	Homeless veterans as well.
	Honestly.
	Well, yes.
	I mean, yes, certainly.
	But just homeless people in general.
	Because in as much as I'm like, obviously you're not entitled to anything in this life.
	You have to work for everything you get.
	It's just the audacity to do this.
	I mean, personally, I might be the most angry man alive about this right now.
	And you're not even homeless!
	No, I mean, to be fair... Imagine all you had to do was to come across a boat and, I don't know, be called like Mahmood from somewhere.
	You know what I mean?
	Well, you say he's not homeless, but he doesn't own a house either because... Well, in Afghanistan, I met some of these people.
	They own houses.
	They have families in Afghanistan.
	You know why they came to Europe?
	Because Mark Merkel said come and they did.
	Yeah.
	And the two guys... Was it two million or one million?
	Yeah, the two guys I did met in Afghanistan who did this, they told me that they did it just because they could.
	What was the figure of the migrant influx in Germany?
	Was it 1 million or 2 million?
	Millions and millions.
	Oh, Germany?
	Yeah.
	It was well over there.
	What was the population per year, Cain?
	And their population is, what, like 50 mil?
	So it's about 5 mil?
	So... Yeah, that's... Well, Germany's population is around 80 mil.
	Oh, it was 8 million then.
	So I remember it was 1% of the pop.
	Good lord.
	That's fantastic.
	Anyway, again, what does this man do for his life?
	Well, he gets half a million, sorry, half a billion pounds from the government.
	That's money.
	He took out the foreign aid budget.
	Who gives a crap, frankly, about that?
	So he got that.
	He redirected the foreign aid.
	The foreign aid is now on our shores.
	We must aid the foreign on our shores.
	Took 25 million for himself.
	So I mean, my point being, you ever noticed how the people making bank don't care about the destruction of the country?
	And we do because we live next to his hotels.
	Actually, two of them are near my house.
	So thanks, Graham.
	Anyway, here's a 56-year-old who has a personal share of the profits, 25 million there per year, meaning that he received more than the British colony of Ghana in foreign aid.
	I don't know if you can advise us, does Ghana actually ever need foreign aid?
	Certainly more than this man.
	Certainly more than the people coming across here, I can tell you that much.
	Even though most of it gets gobbled up by our politicians, but I will not say that.
	Can I change my mind?
	Instead of calling them sea people, can we call them floaters?
	I think I like that better.
	I prefer sea people.
	Floaties, yes.
	That sounds like a turd.
	Plotees, yes.
	That sounds like a turd.
	Do you not know what sea people mean?
	What?
	You don't know what sea people means either?
	Uh, oh go on then.
	I've become the classicist over here.
	Figurative about not knowing the classics.
	They're the people who caused the Bronze Age collapse.
	So, okay, we're going on a story time now, folks.
	Ignore the news.
	So there was once upon a time a bunch of Bronze Age civilizations.
	They were doing lovely.
	And then for some reason, the historical record of them just disappears.
	Like everything collapsed out of the blue.
	These complex civilizations.
	And everyone wondered why.
	But one of the reasons is that these people came from the sea.
	Nobody has any idea where they came from.
	They're a completely almost mythical group of people, but they are real for sure.
	They turned up and just plundered and destroyed every civilization they came across until the Egyptians miraculously survived a few battles with them.
	And this is like an apocalyptic event for all of humanity at the time.
	Anyway, so these people who come into Europe and then destroy everything, I think are kind of absolutely... Yeah.
	Anyway, so this guy here, he also sends his son and daughter to a £44,000 a year boarding school.
	That's £88,000.
	On the cheap.
	We paid for that.
	Listen, you know what?
	I mean, listen, my moral compass wouldn't let me do this, but I admire people who do.
	Because at the end of the day, the fault lies with the government, right?
	For just making this happen.
	I've often said, you know, the difference between the asylum acceptance rates upon first application in Europe is about 37%.
	In the UK, it's 77%.
	It doesn't take a rocket scientist to get why they're choosing to try their luck with the UK, even though they're coming from mainland Europe.
	Well, they're queued up on the northern border of France.
	They're already in France.
	Exactly.
	Why would you not trade, you know, 37% for 73%?
	77%.
	But the solution here is refuse more and turn them away.
	It really is not that difficult.
	Or just trebuchet them back into the sea or something, I don't know.
	Human rights, human rights.
	So Graham operates two hotels right near my house.
	They're both full of the sea people and he gets money for doing that.
	My money.
	Because I'm paying taxes.
	Should we check out where he lives?
	He lives in a listed mansion in rural Essex.
	This isn't doxxing him, for anyone who's wondering, because rural Essex is a large area, so I just took a random part of rural Essex.
	There you are, 93.5% white British.
	Weird, weird, weird, weird how he never wants to live next to what he made me live through, because those hotels used to have people who were tourists in, and now I live next to people who are not tourists.
	Thanks, Graham.
	Anyway, there's also some other funniness about Graham specifically.
	He's the one who's taking the most money, so we'll focus on him the most.
	He actually made a pledge to his own friends.
	None of them will live near us.
	South Ethics No Refugees Here Pledge.
	This is from Graham himself, Clear Springs Management, as you can see there.
	He's talking about his holiday camps that he runs for him and his friends and clients, in which... Don't worry, don't worry, we won't have those.
	We stick them in Swindon, or London, or wherever the hell else I don't live.
	Oh, there we are.
	I mean, again, you can say that he's a businessman, but I don't know.
	I don't think patriotic about these people, I would argue.
	Back to these individuals.
	Anyway, there's a hotel billionaire as well.
	Sorry, I think millionaire.
	He's not quite a billionaire.
	This guy here, his fortune is 250 million pounds.
	He gets 100 grand a day in profit.
	That's a nice chump change.
	That's going well.
	There's also Winston Churchill's grandson.
	He's also one of the people.
	Basically, not a patriot.
	I think you cannot be described a patriot after doing this.
	After so many hotels did turn down the money, he can make quite a lot less than £4.4 million a day.
	Rupert?
	You thinking about your grandad?
	He's educated in Eton and Oxford, and then was a member of the Bullying Club, because of course, the male being the male, that's how they're going to phrase it, which isn't too unfair either.
	I've mentioned previously the reason I'm doing this as well.
	I will always say something like, oh, the millionaires who run our country who never have to interact with these problems.
	When talking about a local man, Local man happens to stab someone to death near where we live or something like that.
	Yeah, he's the one I'm talking about.
	I'm not some leftist who's like a millionaires and billionaires.
	Who are they?
	Well, not me, but I am a millionaire, says Bernie.
	No, I mean these individual human beings.
	We have the list.
	I remember when we were talking about the shadow people who run the American government and the New York Times said, I can't believe Carlson says this of the American system that it's run by shadowy oligarchs.
	Now, here's the list of people he names.
	And it was like, you know, Bill Gates, Soros, etc.
	How could he say that these people run America?
	I mean, look at them.
	They're all billionaires who run America.
	It doesn't work, this weird argument against the right, because, you know, we'd come with receipts, normally, as to who they are.
	But, you know, it's quite telling because, I mean, obviously these people are not acting in the nation's interest, clearly, only their own.
	But even the people that kind of, I would say, are in the media, Many of whom I would call the M25 elite, many of whom I meet.
	I often tell them, you never have to be near the problems that you create with your ignorance that you disseminate in the media.
	You live in Hampstead, you live in Belsize Park, you live in cushy areas in North and West London.
	And you never actually have to deal with the problems that you create.
	And you've never had an interaction with the British immigration system.
	So you don't even know what you're talking about.
	You don't know how distasteful this is for legal immigrants.
	You don't know how much of a drain it is on society, on social cohesion.
	You don't have to think about any of that.
	You just say no one is illegal and then take your 400 quid a day.
	It must be very frustrating just being lumped, legal migrants being lumped in with illegal immigrants as if there's no difference.
	So the thing is, for various reasons, obviously because, you know, we came the legal way, but also the motivations are completely different.
	Like people that come legally have a different kind of respect for the country they're entering.
	You would hope that they come with values that resonate with British culture.
	You would move to somewhere that you fundamentally didn't like.
	Well, of course.
	I mean, this is, I mean, one of the points I made about Brexit was actually you should probably, it's probably in the country's best interest to have more, deeper ties and relations with countries that were formerly part of the Empire and now part of the Commonwealth because they share the same language.
	They share the same culture and religion and all of that.
	In terms of social cohesion, it just makes more sense.
	But obviously, people that are not interested in any of that, that are interested in just taking their money and living in North London, they're more concerned with just saying these people are not illegal.
	And I find that extremely frustrating.
	Well, they just don't know what's real, if I'm correct.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, my go-to example, for example, is Jiyeon Park.
	She's a Conservative councillor candidate.
	She's North Korean.
	She had a couple of kids.
	For some reason, if we sent her back to North Korea, she might have been in trouble.
	So, we've got her.
	And then you've got Mohammed who broke in because money.
	Yeah, I mean for some reason one of these people isn't illegal and one of them is.
	The question I have, because a lot of these people destroy their paperwork upon entry, so where do you send them back to?
	France.
	So if you could get the French government to agree that, yes, he obviously came from you, we watched him on the camera, you actually escorted him to our waters, you know, your boat there, but whole other conversation.
	Just to get back to the individuals making money, this guy here, Winston Churchill's grandson, who does not care about the country his father defended, he lives, funnily enough, again, in an area that is 99% white British, somewhere very north- Is this in Scotland?
	Yes, in Scotland.
	I got it right!
	It's amazing, isn't it?
	These people have a... Oh, he lives in Inverness.
	Shall we talk about the people who interact with the system?
	Because you brought them up.
	People who do.
	Well, there's one guy in here who makes a lot of money out of the situation.
	And this guy is an outlier, because he actually makes his money by running a company that deports people.
	And the mail lumped him in, which I thought was kind of funny.
	So his pay is about £6 million a year.
	Deporting who?
	We don't deport anyone.
	Well, they don't actually do much with deportation, but they're holding for deportations that never happen.
	So he's the largest provider of immigration removal centre management and escorting services to the Home Office, which currently has 13,000 detainees.
	That's 13,000 people who should be deported today.
	They won't be, but they're in the process.
	He provides escorts to the Home Office?
	Yeah, so his staff actually engage with such people.
	Escorts?
	No, not like that.
	I just need a clarification.
	We do buy them game systems and other entertainment, but not, as far as I'm aware, Contra Colour Entertainment.
	Anyway, so he has 14 staff who were recently suspended.
	These people were suspended for racist WhatsApp messages that they made, and they're right here including vile comments about Syrian refugees swimming to the UK.
	What do you mean?
	That's what they do.
	I was just about to say.
	I'm pretty sure there's been footage of them getting off the boat and then swimming on shore.
	So I checked out The Guardian to see, because you always find it funny, there's a racist WhatsApp story and they never tell you the WhatsApp messages, so I checked that out.
	So The Guardian have it.
	They write in here that one remark in the group was a comment of a photo of a Chinese restaurant with the closed sign on after the first COVID lockdown was announced.
	Is that it?
	That was it, that was it.
	Oh, okay!
	I see, because of the links between... I mean, but that could be... I don't care, that's not racist!
	Exactly, that's not... I mean, like, okay, I mean... Want to know the other racist message they put in there?
	Okay.
	They put in a photo of a dinghy with the caption, where's Gary Lineker's house?
	That's hilarious.
	Yeah, that is funny.
	Anyway, eight of them got suspended without pay, the rest suspended with pay.
	Those are rookie memes, gotta pump up those.
	Yeah, those are definitely rookie memes.
	I mean, this guy, yeah, he gets a free pass.
	There's some other millionaires on there, they're less important, the main ones have been pointed out.
	My point being that there are millionaires making this money out of them, we can name them, it's not a case of shadowy figures.
	No, they're very much in the light.
	But just to end this off, which is that, well, That's my point.
	There are people making money out of every corrupt aspect of our society, and we can individually name them in articles such as this.
	There is nothing to hide here, exactly.
	And I'm sick of people thinking that this isn't the case of how we live.
	I mean, going back to that example from the BBC, a lot of people making money off that, and we can name them as well, but one instance at a time, because even this overran.
	I mean this makes me sad because you're ultimately betraying your country and I guess look if you can make a few million or few tens of million out of it I guess most people wouldn't Most people would become corrupt and take the money.
	But I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me at all.
	I mean obviously because it's corrupt and evil.
	I mean it would be hard to turn down 25 million a year.
	Yeah but I also think, I don't know, did you not look to the future?
	It's such a shadow because the people making this kind of money don't necessarily, they don't need it realistically and I just think you're sending your kids to 44 grand a year boarding schools.
	And I just think, don't you want them to grow up in a society... At some point they're going to have to leave those boarding schools and walk the streets with these... Exactly!
	Don't you want them to live in a society where people aren't like ripping each other's hair out and just being hostile to each other in a country that has an identity where people are actually proud to be here and not trying to tear down everything that makes Britain, Britain?
	I mean, it's, yeah, it's very short-sighted.
	Well, that's funny.
	We'll end it there.
	I'll cut it out.
	But there's some... I was watching Andrew Tate's short recently because, you know, he just never goes to wear my shorts.
	I don't know how to get rid of it.
	It's impossible.
	At one point it was just him.
	You made a very good point, actually, in one of them that I was watching, which is the global elite.
	I mean, the real reason Dubai exists is not actually for tourism, it's for global elite tourism, because that's where all the money is.
	So those kids growing up in that boarding school, they want to stay here.
	As soon as this country goes to hell, they'll just go to Dubai.
	Yeah, of course.
	I mean, I know people that I work with that are looking, I'm talking politicians and all of that, people that are supposed to be serving this country, they're looking for the next flight out.
	Most of the elites are, that's why it's crashing.
	Anyway, do we have any video comments today or not, John?
	Just out of question, because I don't know.
	No?
	Okay, we should go to the written comments.
	So people subscribe and then they can leave comments, so we'll read through them, I suppose.
	General Hai Ping, the Chinese Internet Battalion, says, a really fun episode with a great guest.
	Cheers all round.
	Thank you.
	On the ADL war, Ethelstan95 says, when the demand for racism outstrips supply, these people, NGO activists, will do their best to create some.
	Certainly will.
	Ross Diggle, the question is, is the ADL a protection racket arm of either the World Economic Forum or someone like BlackRock to have such power of advertisers?
	Probably both.
	Probably get money from both.
	Yeah, that would make sense to me.
	We could check our accounts.
	Good fun.
	So Derek Power says Southern Poverty Law Center is another ADL type.
	Yep, it's another great one.
	Do you remember the Southern... I don't know if you know, you know Majid Nawaz?
	Yes, I know him, yes.
	Do you remember he ended up suing them?
	He ended up suing who?
	The Southern Poverty Law Center.
	I didn't know that.
	So they said he was an anti-Islam extremist.
	Ah, okay.
	And he went, Allah Akbar, I'm a Muslim?
	Yeah.
	That doesn't add up, bless him.
	He was treated terribly, gosh.
	Vesta Wolf says, declare the ADL a, quite frankly, NGO, international organization, terrorist organizations, and treat them as such.
	Yeah, I mean this goes back to your point.
	I don't know if you've ever seen Lukashenko be interviewed by the BBC?
	Oh, this I must see.
	I've never actually heard his voice.
	Lukashenko, you know.
	How did that go?
	He's the leader of Belarus and he won another election which was, you know, great news for him.
	I think he got 8%.
	Oh, was he?
	Yes, he was the one who got interviewed by the BBC and they tried to give him a hard time on press and he hit back with Julian Assange, that guy.
	Yes.
	But the other part of that particular interview that's so great is that they say to him, you know, you've cracked down on freedom and press and blah, blah, blah.
	And he just responds with, we will liquidate every single one of your NGOs that you send our way to distort society.
	And then he goes, oh, you're upset.
	You just said you'd liquidate them all, mate.
	Yeah.
	They have a different way of dealing things in Eastern Europe.
	And it's not just those two, Poland and Hungary are also I swear he got off a plane with a bunch of journalists he didn't like grounded in Belarus.
	He created some sort of fake emergency and said the plane must be grounded because it's in a Belarusian airspace.
	It just arrested all of them.
	A fake emergency that sucks in journalists?
	Have we had any examples of that in the last two years?
	Can't think of any.
	I did like his, do you know the cure for COVID in Belarus?
	What?
	Turning off the TV?
	Vodka.
	That's hilarious.
	Oh my god.
	Freed by him.
	Anyway, so Christian Anderson, the last one on the ADL, says it's word magic.
	The magic words are used to control others.
	It's used the less power the word will have.
	If you believe in the magic of the words, they work, and someone who uses it against you is in control of you.
	But when you stop believing in the magic that the words have, all of their power leaves.
	Magic exists and works only if you believe in it.
	It's more hypnotism, really, what they're describing there, rather than magic.
	I mean, we're becoming more conditioned to viewing, to be alarmed by certain words.
	I think that's the whole point.
	It's more about conditioning than anything else.
	And I'm curious what it's going to have, the effect it's going to have on future generations, as opposed to, you know, people over 40 that have a bit more common sense.
	Yes, quite.
	On the Putin segment, Henry poses an interesting question.
	He says, I'm trying to think of a good masculine example in British politics.
	Do you want to guess who he came up with?
	The most masculine leader that we've had in the post-war period?
	Oh, post-war, because I was thinking actual war.
	He came up with Thatcher, which I think is... It's true!
	It's kind of, it's true!
	This is the thing.
	Yeah, when a woman has more balls than a man.
	As Henry points out, Major was a wet blanket, Blair was a snake, yes, Brown is probably too, Cameron was no different.
	Well, Cameron just posed... Yeah, Cameron was a pound-lined Blair.
	Yeah, even the old boys are bloody useless.
	Like, Eden was pathetic on Sewers Canal.
	And you got, what was it, Eden who was... Chamberlain was also... Like, Merlin's a cuckold.
	Chamberlain, he's before the war, isn't he?
	Yes, well, yeah, right.
	No, actually, well, it just ended when Churchill took over, but yeah.
	He was a bit of a witty, wasn't he?
	I mean, it's unfair because of the appeasement thing, but he was actually pretty...
	Consequential before that, I guess.
	It's a bit easier, Henry points out, in the US because it goes with Trump.
	I mean, history is far less forgiving of naive men than naive women.
	I genuinely believe that.
	We're far less forgiving for men that don't seem to have their wits about them than for women.
	Because we kind of just expect it.
	You expect competence from men if they're going to be high value, and a man who's incompetent is just utterly useless.
	Utterly useless.
	Whereas a woman who's incompetent, she can still have uses in a feminine role, but in a masculine role, a man... A man who's useless past a certain point, I think past the age of 25, yeah, that's a problem.
	If you're a young man and you're incompetent, society's patient with you.
	If you're over a certain age, particularly over 30, it's just repelling.
	Shall we move on?
	SH Silva says, I can't blame those dissatisfied with autocrats on our side for simping for autocrats on the other side.
	Right, I'm not simping for Putin.
	Much.
	To be clear because you know that was not the energy I was going with.
	I could sit here and list the problems but that's not your point.
	Isn't it sad that he is the person that is in this context I suppose the most apt to draw parallels?
	The one I really like is Bukele in El Salvador.
	I like him I mean, I wish it didn't have to be Putin.
	I mean, you know what I mean?
	I wish we had examples of leaders, maybe in the West, but not particularly in the West, that, you know, weren't Putin.
	That could be an example.
	I can't think of a Western leader.
	Donald Trump.
	Well, that was the best we had.
	Yes.
	Well, yeah.
	But again, that's a problem.
	He shouldn't be the best we have.
	Because he's old.
	What is it with these fucking old politicians?
	You've seen the graph.
	What graph?
	Of the average age, sorry, no, the number of senators over 70.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's just like, ebbs and flows and then, what is it, since the 70s, everyone's over 70.
	Shut up, yeah.
	A lot of things have changed since 1971.
	And it's particularly a problem in the Democrats.
	It's 99 now.
	Oh yeah, Maxine Waters?
	She remembers the Holocaust.
	Yeah.
	She doesn't know what's going on around her, she's gone completely senile.
	Yeah, yeah, bless her.
	She's like, oh, that's mean.
	It's a huge problem.
	Yes.
	Derek says, historically Russia has always been followed the strongest guy from Vladimir in the Rus' days to Ivan in the start of the Romanovs.
	Putin is no different.
	To think that Putin to become Western is a delusional pipe dream.
	Yes, we can hold out hope.
	History has been far more brutal in Russia, I mean.
	Yes, it has a bit.
	So survival was...
	Far more.
	Well, it's difficult now, depending on what access to resources you have, but in Russia you have Siberia.
	They've been invaded 50 times, and the last time they had a big war, they lost 15% of their men between 18 and... And virtually every war they have, their strategy is to just throw bodies at the problem.
	So it's a pretty brutal place.
	It's a bit rough, certainly.
	Have we got time for any from your last segment?
	I'll read one, why not?
	Sophie's, yours is too long, so I'll read it after myself.
	Okay, Arizona Desert Wrap.
	Esther, the truth should never be uncomfortable.
	Most of those migrants are healthy young men coming from France.
	They're not desperate for safety or food.
	Oh yeah, that's true.
	Yep.
	Plenty of bakeries in France.
	Anyway, out of time, if you'd like to find more from Esa, where will they find you?
	You can find me on Twitter, STK.
	I mean, I've made a habit of just retweeting memes now because I can't be bothered to argue with people.
	Oh my gosh, click on the bald black guy.
	Sorry, what?
	Even now I have not fully understood it.
	That you can fail to be attracted to these beautiful women.
	Here.
	Here.
	I'm a 70.
	And it is fair.
	He's just talking about how beautiful women is.
	Yeah, you can't be a president by being a man.
	He doesn't understand gay people.
	So his point is like, how can you be gay when we have such beautiful women and yet you're attracted to men?
	So that's... and my website esokraku.com.
	I post memes mainly and do comics.
	It's the only way to live, really.
	The thing is, you have to laugh.
	If not, you'll cry.
	It's sad.
	We are out of time, so we'll have to end it there.
	So if you want more, go to the website.
	If you don't, don't.

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