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Aug. 28, 2023 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
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Good afternoon, folks.
Welcome to the podcast.
The Loaded Seat is for Monday, the 28th of August, 2023.
I'm joined by Dan and a distinguished scholar, Dr. Nima Parvini, author of The Populist Delusion and Prophets of Doom.
How are you doing?
Yes.
Thank you for having me, Carl.
I'd just like to say, buy it now.
Available in all bookstores.
It's been a long time coming.
It has.
I'm glad you've come on.
So, just to preface this podcast, we're all hungover and tired because we went to the Skildings conference this weekend and it was brilliant, I thought.
What were your opinions on it, folks?
Yeah, it was good.
No, I enjoyed it a lot.
I'm not a natural socialiser, so I'm going to lock myself in the office and stare at the wall for three days afterwards, but yeah, no, it was fun.
Yeah, I mean, it's the third year they've run it and I thought the quality was really high.
Each of the speeches were really sensational this year, I thought.
And, uh, yeah, it's great to meet people in real life.
And, uh, we had some fantastic conversations as well outside of the talks, you know, lots of drinking, lots of drinks, which we're getting, we're getting too old for this sort of thing.
Um, but anyway, so let's begin, uh, let's talk about.
The Dark Lord, the Sauron of our era.
He's right Honourable Sir Tony Blair.
Yes, um.
He has a plan for Britain.
Yes.
Turn us into a cyberpunk dystopia.
So, I mean, you've got this document that we're going to be looking at in a second, but I think it may be worth, uh, outlining for the audience, some of the audience who may not know that Tony Blair is not merely the former prime minister.
After, uh, in 2007, he, you know, handed over to Gordon Brown.
He didn't go off into the sunset and play golf and kind of put his feet up.
He set about immediately building a global network based on the contacts that he had built up as a world premier and set up charitable institutions, or as we like to call them, NGOs, non-government organizations, all around the world, especially in Africa.
And, uh, also, um, in the Middle East where he was working as a, as a peace envoy to the Middle East, the irony.
And, um, and also he did consultancy work for governments around the world.
So if you were, I don't know, uh, the president of Kazakhstan, you could hire Tony Blair and he'd come and give you Machiavellian advice.
When he would send you a suite of, um, spads, basically special advisors who will come in and basically tell you what to do and how to do it.
Yes, and a few years ago, some of the newspapers kind of latched onto this.
They were like, why is the Saudi Arabian government giving Tony Blair millions of fans?
How is Tony Blair so rich?
And so what he did is he consolidated all of that network that he'd been building up over time into the Tony Blair Institute.
Sorry, it's the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change?
Yes, the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change.
And as far as I can tell, this has a dual purpose.
The first purpose is to continue the essentially missionary work that he's doing in Africa, which has long reaching consequences.
For example, probably a lot of people don't know that during COVID, it was the Tony Blair Institute responsible for rolling out the vaccine.
all across Africa with funding from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
When you say doing his missionary work, to be clear, the religion is globalism.
Yeah, yeah.
Essentially setting up outposts for the global empire in Africa.
Um, and so it comes with a suite of stuff.
So he'll go to an African president, you know, Oh, I'll give you advice.
My advice is I want you to invest in infrastructure, digital infrastructure.
Oh, I've got a mate bill or, you know, here are my contacts in Microsoft.
They'll come and build your infrastructure for you.
We maintain ownership of the data and all of that but you know it would be good for Africa to you know join the 21st century.
So that's one side of what the Tony Blair Institute does.
The other side as far as I can tell is that they write policy white papers for the British government or for politicians in the West and in the EU but especially in the British establishment I think when we say the British establishment, the British government, people will say, well, hang on a second, Tony Blair was a Labour Prime Minister.
We have a Conservative Prime Minister.
What are you talking about?
To which, for example, Conor, when he went to the Conservative Party Conference last year, saw the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change booth at the Conservative Party Conference.
Yes, and in fact I watched the Tony Blair Institute event at Chatham House a while back because we follow him pretty closely.
And who was there but the Secretary of Defense, Ben Wallace, was there shortly before Jeremy Hunt became the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Remembering that kind of unofficial coup that took place.
Who did Jeremy Hunt interview on his own little podcast.
Tony Blair.
So and they were clearly Macy because on the podcast Jeremy Hunt's little son was there and was like oh good to see you again.
So they're clearly I mean I guess what we're saying is the Tory establishment are as kind of fond of Tony Blair as Labour are and on the Labour side of things of course the party was captured by Jeremy Corbyn but Cleaned out by Keir Starmer, taking direct direction from Tony Blair.
I mean, when we say direct direction, I mean, this is documented that Keir Starmer hired Tony Blair literally to give classes to the Shadow Cabinet.
You know, here's how you be new Labour.
And just as a quick thing, don't think that this isn't happening in America either, because Tony Blair went to the Conservative Party Conference, some GOP conference, where he was received like a hero.
Absolutely.
And in fact, Tony, I mean, this is the mind boggling thing.
Do you remember when Trump made the peace, made the deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia?
He wasn't called.
Who did Jared Kushner thank for his pivotal role in the Abraham Accords?
None other than Sir Tony Blair.
So when we say this guy is a bit like Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars, what we really mean is that here's something that the audience can do, which we have learned to do, whatever the story is.
I'll give you a great recent example, Niger.
Whatever, if a country comes up, just type in the country's name, Tony Blair or Tony Blair Institute.
Two weeks before the coup in Nigeria, Tony Blair Institute had moved their bases from Burkina Faso to Nigeria, their whole operation.
So essentially what happened in the coup is that Putin and the lads helped to kick out Tony Blair from Nigeria.
All I'm saying is you can follow this with hashtag Dark Lord Watch on Twitter, where people regularly, whenever Tony Blair's doing something, they just tag hashtag Dark Lord Watch, so you can keep up with what's happening.
So I thought what we'd do is take a look at something.
But first, if you want to support us, go to the website, go and watch our new Epochs on Attila the Hun.
It's not in any way related to Tony Blair.
In fact, it's the total opposite style of Running a kingdom or an empire.
Uh, and one, frankly, I would love to return to.
Um, but no, Tilo the Hun had a really interesting life and, uh, an apologetic life, I think is the best way I can put it.
And he's a really interesting character.
The fall of the Roman empire, which, uh, actually does kind of mirror the fall of the West at the moment.
So anyway, go and watch that.
It's excellent.
So I found this, uh, paper from the Tony Blair Institute, the future of Britain in 2023 ideas to transform the future of Britain.
I'm excited.
I'm excited.
It's inevitable.
Yeah, it's going to happen.
I know.
I know.
Uh, I can't improve this scroll down on this.
So I'll just read from it.
So it begins with, uh, part two, what, what does Britain need to thrive?
And the Tony Blair Institute tells us it needs the, quote, strategic state.
Feel good about that?
We've gone from the fascist ethical state.
That's presupposed.
Of course we're ethical.
Now we're strategic.
Mm-hmm.
So is that just their way of saying managerial?
Yes.
This is what they call managerial state themselves.
I mean, there's quite a bit more to it.
Where Tony Blair says strategic, what he really means is a public-private partnership, which you may have heard from a certain type of Schwab and the World Economic Forum, where Tony Blair is also a high up, by the way, and touted a takeover from Schwab.
The fusion of the big state and big government is not necessarily a new idea.
So, well, essentially Blair's vision here is he says, well, if you look at a company like Microsoft or Apple, they have trillions, like literally billions, if not trillions of dollars.
Of capital that could be deployed and we don't.
Capital that is larger than literally the budget of the British government or of most, most nations.
So wouldn't it be nice if they could build some bridges for us or build some infrastructure or digital infrastructure, you know, well, they've got the capital investment that governments no longer do.
So essentially you can do Keynesian economics just using them instead of the state's money, essentially.
Well, this is of course the core of this document because, I mean, just to read very quickly from it, the technological revolution is the single biggest force changing the world today.
Yet with other big periods of upheaval, political leaders and government have been slow to adapt.
So you can see the whole framing is, look, there is a managerial technocracy that is taking over the world and it's happening whether you like it or not.
So really we need to be at the forefront of that, controlling that and bringing that into existence or else someone else will control it and it will be us.
And that's the entire theme of this document.
So we'll go to the next page.
So they say, look, this delivering this requires a new vision and framework, including a commitment from the highest political authority to leverage the transformative power of technology for a mid 21st century vision of the state.
That's terrifying, isn't it?
I mean, what's the highest authority in Britain?
Is it Tony Blair?
What do you think?
I don't know.
In theory it's the King.
In theory, yeah.
Because it's interesting, when you hear him talk about what he's done in Africa, he literally just refers to them as my presidents.
It's quite clear that he ranks higher in the power structure.
I mean, the scariest thing about this, and the thing that I find scary about Blair in general, Is that?
He's building Skynet.
He's building the maintenance area.
And essentially, as far as I can tell, The government contracts some massive corporate, whether it's Apple or Microsoft or whoever else could be Elon Musk.
Let me, let me carry on.
So the next thing is far deeper state investment in technological AI era infrastructure, utilizing cloud and modern software, a more agile, responsive, and targeted state in which the citizens have a digital identity and control their data.
I mean, do we think that we're really going to be in control of anything?
Yeah.
Do you feel like you're going to have any real agency in this?
Well, we're not going to own our data, certainly.
Well, they, they, they think that you should actually, which I agree with.
I mean, that is nice.
But, um, I don't think that the, the room for maneuver is going to be very broad.
I think it's a very narrow range of things.
Well, you will be able to log on to their system and see your data.
Yes.
Which they are holding on your behalf.
And they'll give you a little control panel.
Here are the five things you can do.
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
And delete won't be one of them.
Yeah, exactly.
A new treatment of data as a comprehensive asset, which can stimulate innovation in health.
So they're going to have complete health monitoring of your current, I mean, eventually you'll be chipped and it'll give them Full spectrum data on your physical condition.
And then when they're finally tired of you, you'll be flushed out of the pod, like in the matrix and put into the liquidizer.
I'm not joking, actually.
I think that's genuinely where this is going.
A greater alignment between the government and private sector.
Here we go.
To mobilize effectively behind clear purposes, such as around climate.
And a greater appetite for risk and innovation.
I'm so glad that the manager of technology is prepared to take risks with my life.
Uh, with greater expertise, uh, from the outside informing direction.
So going on to page seven.
So they say, look, this is going to be a new national purpose.
I didn't realize we had a national purpose.
I don't want purpose.
I'm okay at the moment.
Thank you.
So they say that science and technology have been the driving force of progress for much of our modern age.
Advances in technology will allow us to live longer, healthier lives, to travel across the world and into space, and generate food and energy at scale.
The United Kingdom has been at the forefront of many of these breakthroughs, and was home to one of humanity's great leaps, the Industrial Revolution.
Another revolution is now taking place with developments in AI, a technology with a level of impact akin to the internal combustion engine, electricity, and the internet.
So incrementalism will not be enough!
You want to make a great leap forward, is that what you're saying?
Yes.
This is precisely the language.
The state must be reoriented to this challenge.
I mean, I hate to bring up film analogies, you know, but do you remember one of the Christopher Nolan, I think it was the final one, The Dark Knight, where Batman gains access to all of the mobile phone data and he literally has it all mapped out in front of him.
And he's like, Ooh, I could, I could use this as surveillance.
But I'm Batman.
That's his wrong.
I'm not going to do it.
These guys, in the same scenario, are basically going, I'm Batman and I'm evil, so I'm going to do it.
Let's do it.
I don't think they had that question for themselves.
They didn't stop and ponder, they just moved straight through that.
They watched that and thought, that was a great idea.
there's a second film which probably people won't remember back in the 90s back in the very early days of the internet it was called the lawnmower man oh i remember do you remember that and do you remember the lawnmower man disappears into the into the web essentially but do you remember what happens access denied that's correct he didn't say the magic word and this is the thing that is so It's like, okay, yes, convenience.
Yes.
You know, all your stuff is there at touch of a button.
Until you have been determined to be an undesirable and you've done wrong thing.
Well, that's why they want to own the digital infrastructure because everything connects to it.
So there will be no access denied because it will be their system.
Yeah, but until they choose you don't get access.
Oh, yeah.
And then the entire system being so interconnected, they'll only need to press one button and everything that you do on your daily basis will be completely shut down.
And also they can customize it.
They can set up a whole bunch of permission flags.
And we have already had a social credit system in this country.
And they'll do that with the digital money.
You can't spend this money in an unapproved zone.
That's what's going to happen.
I'm not exaggerating but like you could become like a carbon criminal for example like you have gone beyond your carbon allocation for the year and then just I mean we're not even exaggerating just like the Soviet Union where the ruling class would get special perks and privileges that didn't You know, Proletariat had a different set of rules from the ruling class.
You know, we're pretty sure that Shetone is not going to be a carbon criminal, you know?
Probably.
So they say that our priorities for reform include strengthening the Office for Artificial Intelligence so that it provides better foresight function and better support for government to deal with technological change, creating Sentinel, A national laboratory effort focused on researching and testing safe AI with the aim of becoming the brain for a UK and international AI regulator, building AI-era infrastructure including computer capacity, remodeling data as a public asset, with the creation of highly valuable public good data sets.
So you're not even going to earn it, the government's going to earn your data.
Well, what he's really saying there is this is going to be a substantial area of growth.
Make sure you build in the state as you go, and this is how you do it.
Yes.
And then requiring a tiered access approach to compute provision under which access to larger amounts of compute.
Comes with additional requirements to demonstrate responsible use and securing multi-decade investment in science and technology infrastructure, et cetera, going into the future.
So he wants to set up a centrally managed government run AI brain that is presumably going to be tasked with running the functions of government.
It's going to be running the NHS, it's going to be running the budgets, it's going to be running whatever the government currently runs.
And they literally called it Sentinel.
Do you think they, I mean, it's like they're writing a dystopian sci-fi movie or something.
Cause you can, I mean, I'm like immediately when you said, Oh, we're going to create Sentinel.
I'm thinking of like Howl from Space Odyssey.
I'm sorry about all the film references.
This really is what this is.
All dystopia really is, is imagine a utopia and then think about the steps that you need to take in order to get there.
And these are the steps.
Yeah.
But is any, I mean, my question is, I remember whenever I've watched Blair with the guys from Microsoft and so on, is there a voice there saying, what could go wrong?
What could go wrong?
Is there a voice in this document saying, what could go wrong?
What are the downsides?
No, it's just, this is inevitable.
So, I mean, they've got a bunch of proposals.
So they want to centralize all of the pensions into one savings pot.
Why not?
They want to reform planning to build more critical infrastructure faster, which includes a national process for consent for national infrastructure projects.
So it's impossible to think that at some point the British public won't be able to say no.
We want to build this giant central AI grid across the UK.
We don't consent.
Yeah, we don't care.
That's not going to stop.
We already signed the contract with Apple.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Defining onshore wind and digital connectivity is critical infrastructure.
Onshore wind.
Nuclear power plants.
Anyway, using the power of AI and digital twins to accelerate consultation planning and build.
So basically put it into the computer.
This is what we want.
Computer will give you a white paper at the end of it and you just press the appropriate button and the computer will say, yep, we'll get all those contracts sent out.
That will be done and you will have to do very minimal work as the person in charge, Mr. Blair.
Sir Blair.
He wants to introduce a digital identity for a digital age.
Government should deliver a single digital identity, giving users visibility of and control over when and how their data is accessed and used, utilizing a decentralized model without creating a new central database that could be vulnerable to hacking or leaks.
Okay, yeah.
I'll believe what I see.
Well, that was his one great defeat of his years in power.
The IDs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and decentralization was a big thing as well, but that's gone poorly, hasn't it?
Um, and allowing people to use their digital identity to access commercial goods and services as well as government services, which, I mean, that is just the worst, isn't it?
Do we think it's Mark of the beast, isn't it?
Yes.
Do we think Tommy Robinson's getting a digital ID?
Do we think he's going to be able to get flights wherever he wants?
I mean, they literally deported him from a holiday in Mexico.
Like this is, and that was just required his old fashioned passport.
I just want to back up a second.
I was a little bit worried about the consolidation of all the pensions.
I mean, this could be coming to a state near you, you know, British pen, British pensions, hashtag managed by black rock, you know, cause that's what it would be.
Well, that's, I mean, they might have managed loads of pensions anyway, but that's exactly what it's going to be.
And the reason that he gives for wanting to, um, create, I mean, literally it's called GB savings one.
It's not even called the national pension or something.
DB savings one, a 400 billion pound super fund in order to be able to more effectively reinvest the pension money.
So it's, it's all pure managerialism.
But it's essentially saying we've run out of money and therefore we are going to take yours, we're just going to put a gloss on it.
Yeah.
It's just stealing.
And that is why I've never put money into a pension, because I've always found it ludicrous that at some point before I hit 65, it won't be stolen.
Oh yeah.
And this is it happening now.
But they are all, I mean, to be clear, they are also then, and it will be somebody like Blackrock, even if it isn't them, it probably will be, to be honest, because they do pensions.
Yeah.
They will then be, I mean, Deciding, well, we need to put it into these kind of climate change friendly areas, or we need to put it into this woke organization.
And this is how they end up getting funding for all that stuff because they're controlling what is effectively your money and investing it on your behalf.
How about an NHS that's not focused on health?
That's not focused on just illness, sorry.
It's focused on health.
So the NHS will be concerned about your weight, for example.
They'll be monitoring that, presumably, with the chip in your skin and your digital identity.
Giving each person their own personal health account, delivered through the NHS app, and owned by the individual.
It will still be owned by the individual, yet through their structure, through their infrastructure.
Yeah, but the clues in the name is the NHS app.
It's not your data.
Exactly.
You didn't make the app.
You've got no control over where the information goes.
You just sign in.
You can just view it.
Yeah, exactly.
You can just view it.
Developing a new NHS cloud structure, so all the health data is held centrally within the existing systems, and turning the Genomic Medicine Service into a fully-fledged part of the health system, providing whole-genome sequencing to all patients and supporting the move to prevention, well-being, and personalized care.
So we've mapped your personal genome We know what likely is to come up in your life as a health condition.
And we're prepared for that.
And what I'm saying here is your phone is going to be like, uh, do you really want that McDonald's?
You want to think again?
Cause we know it'll be nudged at first, but then it will say, no, you've, you've exceeded your calorie allowance for today.
You can't have that.
That's what it will come to.
Because you'll be paying through your phone.
And it'll say, no, it's transaction.
Access denied.
Too many carbon credits.
You can't, yeah.
Too much health credit.
This is the future that Tony Blair is building for us.
But of course, we're all going to have a quality education, of course.
Powered by tech.
Establishing a digital learner ID that will contain all educational information.
Enabling a personalized education for every child.
Increasing parent choice and access to quality education by giving schools the freedom to provide hybrid lessons and parents the right to request online classes delivered by other schools and overhauling Ofsted so that accountability is based on real-time insights geared towards a continuous improvement of standards.
I've got no doubt that the standards just go through the roof.
They're talking about, you know, freedom and choice.
But what they're actually saying is we're going to credentialize it.
Yes.
So you're going to have freedom within the narratives which we have selected for you.
You've got a very narrow range of freedoms.
You can have options one, two or three.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not going to be a Jordan Peterson lecture.
Yeah.
Exactly.
One of yours.
Yeah.
Or one of mine.
Yeah.
It's not going to be anything like that.
And of course, they're going to bring about safer communities.
They're going to put prevention at the heart of policing.
Yeah.
Okay.
And what I love about this bit is very, I would say value-free, but it doesn't consider the ideology of the people involved in the system at all.
They're going to put prevention at the heart of policing.
That's racist.
Develop modern and flexible workforce that will be diverse.
Good luck catching those criminals, ladies.
Embedding a new focus on professional standards and responsiveness.
Oh yeah.
Establishing a new national force to tackle threats that cross force boundaries and require a strategic response encompassing counter-terrorism, serious organized crime and cybercrime, and using technology more intelligently to prevent criminality, including digital identity to tackle online fraud and an expansion of facial recognition technology.
Aren't you just so glad to be living in the future?
See, the thing is, is that, you know, just to put a counterfactual in here.
All of this stuff is bad if it's run by our enemies.
I mean, all of this stuff is probably bad if it's run by us.
I could live with it if it was run by us.
If it was truly value-free, for example.
This is the kind of base they are.
There is no truly value-free.
It's power value.
If it was Mecca, Bentham, Carl.
Oh God.
Right.
I mean, can you imagine, can you imagine what?
A completely value-free facial recognition technology?
You're like, Oh, we've recognized this.
Typical criminal looks like.
So you understand what I'm saying?
The phrenologist AI!
That has already happened so this is the West Safer City rollout and whenever they've done a trial they've done effectively what you've said and then scrapped it because it's racist.
So it could be that.
I'm just saying.
How did the AI turn out to be a bunch of old white racists?
Yeah, we just need to turn down the pattern recognition a bit.
I mean, there is this kind of weird alternative universe where digital ID actually completely solved illegal immigration.
Reduce his crime to almost zero.
It's not going to happen.
But anyway, moving on.
So they've got a decade of electrification.
Of course, everything they want, and they literally say all crucial infrastructure, they want it all to be done by renewable electrical generation.
Now that you might think, hang on a second, what's wrong with that?
Well, it can be turned off, right?
When your car is full of fuel, that can't be turned off.
The electricity board can be denied to you.
from your chip.
Everything will be literally triangulated in an insanely complex system that can be triangulated exactly on you at all times.
That's why that's bad.
And of course, the final thing is they want a better relationship with the EU, which basically means voluntary alignment with EU regulations on goods and regulatory equivalents of sanitary and phytosanitary measures.
So basically, whatever the European Union says and does, we're going to make sure that we do it because we wanted to be part of the European Union anyway.
So all of this is moving the decisions as far away from the populace as possible?
Yes.
We don't want them to have any delusions.
And then we're going to say that they're free?
Yes.
They're free to choose from a range of options that are never going to change.
And possibly they'll be restrictive.
This is the true rule by the managerial expert class?
Yes.
This is, this is, this is the full spectrum, uh, managerial cyber technocracy is literally being laid out by the Tony Blair Institute.
And I think that they're serious about it.
So, uh, prepare yourselves for the future because the dark Lord Tony Blair is probably going to bring it about.
It's, uh, it's actually, there was a book called the new, uh, the new utopia or utopia by, uh, I know, um, Oh, it was Francis Bacon wrote a utopian book.
I forget the name of it now.
Uh, where was it literally called utopia?
Uh, but he literally, I mean, Francis Bacon literally imagined this kind of totalitarian island that was being run by a scientific managerial expert class in a weird way.
That's basically the next Labour Party manifesto.
This is literally Plato's Republic.
Get ready, it's coming, be prepared.
So I was thinking, while we've got a couple of big brains in the room, let's solve the incel problem, shall we?
This sort of thing comes up every now and again.
And whenever I look at the comments, I'm always being told that, um, you know, that you don't understand, Dan, that the dating scene today is absolutely cancerous.
Probably is.
Yeah, well, yeah, possibly.
But I thought, you know, that's a bit of cope.
So what I did is I set myself up with a Tinder profile and I thought I would invest in it.
Your wife was thrilled with that.
Oh darling, I'm just investigating the dating world.
She's used to me by now.
But yeah, so I set myself up.
I went to the effort of writing myself a nice profile as well.
So I took the whole thing sort of incredibly seriously.
I'm a dissident rights content creator committed to the overthrow of the globalist managerialist parasite class for a return to more traditional values.
I require intelligent conversation and not a fat.
Well, once won a who'd you wed competition against every man who ever lived.
Yes.
While hoping not to put you off, but giving women the vote was probably a civilizational level mistake.
Six foot two, blue eyes, bit of pods, British teeth.
That's a strong opener.
No, I thought that was good.
I mean, if you're a woman on a dating app, you're going, okay, well, at least I remember this guy.
Yes, and the bit at the end, you know, we're giving the women the vote was a mistake.
That's very important.
That's called a neg.
So you've got to give a neg, and apparently that's how it works.
For anyone watching, we're all married, and we've been married, not to each other.
We're all married to our wives, we all have kids, we've been married for years, and I mean, it was probably 2009 was the last time I looked at a dating site called Plenty of Fish.
I kind of missed the whole site.
But even then, I never had any success there.
I always had success with women in real life.
Well, in order to make the experiment viable, we also got one of the lovely Lotus ladies in the office to also sign up for a count at the same time.
Right.
And we thought, basically, we'd see, you know, what happens.
Are we going to get a disparate experience?
I think I can predict the results here.
Well, you say that, you see, because, you know, we set it up at the end of the day and headed off home.
And basically, after two hours, I got a ping.
Oh, really?
Yes.
So I got my first hit and I thought, well, this is good.
There we go.
That's my one like has come through.
So there was a lady who was like, you know, I do hate votes for women as well.
Yeah.
Or reading, you know, it's one of the two.
But yeah, journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step and mine have come through.
So, got in touch with a lovely Lotus lady to say, OK, had a hit.
Where are you at this point?
Do you want to guess?
I bet it's like 300 or something.
Next slide.
There we go.
This is literally after two hours.
That was 237 likes.
Yes.
Now, don't feel too bad for me, because come the following day, I did get a 400% increase in my likes, and she only got an 85% increase in her likes.
To be fair, though, there's a lot of room for improvement on your one.
Yes.
I've got one.
Yes.
She's got 237.
Well, I was hoping not to make that connection, but yes, yes.
So then, right, so then the experiment ended because she got blocked.
Yeah, she got blocked the following day.
And I think it was because we didn't want to have to sit there and go through them manually.
So we paid the £15 in order to see straight through.
And I think they were so put off by a woman actually paying for dating that they thought that she was a fake and they kicked her off.
Really?
Yes.
Who Tindered it?
Yes.
Oh, right.
Yeah, they blocked her out, so that didn't work.
You're not a real woman because you paid Tinder money?
Yes.
That's an amazing algorithm they've got going on there.
Yeah, it's probably true most of the time, I would imagine.
Oh, I don't doubt that.
It's true.
But it makes it... I mean, can you imagine the Tinder officers going, hang on, there's a woman who's paid?
What?
No, there hasn't.
That's never happened before.
Yeah, that's not happening.
Oh, that's a spam, you know?
I mean one of the things I'm fascinated by is I wonder if we workshopped your intro a little bit would it change like you know it's rather than I am a dissident right I mean I am a sensible centrist committed to right traditional English gentleman yeah or you know you just check finesse the language a little bit yeah or at and I'd also be interested in a version which is I am committed to social justice I love feminism type thing to see which one would play Well, actually, so this is the interesting point that she made.
She made a number of interesting points.
And the first thing is, a lot of people, they always blame the women on these dating sites for their preferences and about how they're sort of seeking out the top-tier men.
That's always the sort of standard pushback and stuff.
But she made a very reasonable point.
If I've got 400 people who are like me, Well, of course I'm going to be picky.
I mean, anyone would be.
So you can completely understand the dynamic of how it works.
And the other thing I'm thinking is, you know, from the guy's perspective, because when we were in the dating market, basically pulling required going to the pub And being the best choice within the pub that could still stand at 2am.
And often, like, those choices were quite narrowed down for you.
I mean, a lot of the men in the pub would be there with their wives or girlfriends.
Yeah, so the point is, if you went to the pub often enough, you would be the best choice sooner or later.
Whereas in Now's World, you basically need to be the best option within a 26 mile radius.
Out of hundreds and hundreds of eligible men who are already showing their interest.
We've already got their sort of photos up, so they don't take a day off, they don't sleep, you know, the profile is always there.
It's a bit bloody harder to stand out in that situation.
I don't envy that at all.
Yeah.
So, this tweet makes a good point.
A friend of yours, Nimas.
So, just as a brief thing, I don't know who this person is, but I've seen you talk about them.
Why don't you like... What does RFH stand for?
I can't.
I can't.
I'm not sure if I can say on air.
Radfem, and then the name of a famous mid-century German painter.
Oh really?
A painter?
Yes.
A failed painter, I believe.
Yeah, I mean, she's an interesting... Hollow-earthed her.
She is, generally speaking, you know, a dissident, but she's also a radical feminist.
A dissident for what?
She's also a radical feminist.
That's an interesting point.
Even though a lot of our, a lot of our friends block her.
I, I have an interest in.
How could you block such an entertaining looking profile?
I just think she's really, okay.
She's really good at Twitter.
She just, you know, like how I say Ash Sarkar is like objectively good at Twitter.
She is also objectively good at riling up the lads.
She makes a good point here.
She says that, um, 85% of the UK's dating app users is male.
Yes.
Yes, which really highlights the issue, doesn't it?
It's a lot of very thirsty men and a much smaller pool of thirsty women are given a much greater, uh, like our lady was saying, it's much easier to be picky when you've got hundreds in a couple of hours to the other guy's got one.
Well, yes.
I mean, it's, it's a bit like trying to pull up the event that we've just come from.
I mean, there was a disco on the second night, but, um, it was, um, Mostly male.
Would have been rather slim pickings.
Which is all leading to... Have we got the next one?
Sorry, can we go back?
So I agree actually completely with this comment she's made.
Your dating app data doesn't mean anything by the way.
Dating apps are anywhere between two-thirds to 90% male.
Women don't like dating apps and the user experience was designed around gay men, not straight women.
That's totally true.
Straight women don't tend to use dating apps.
It's the, you know, the minority who want to go and hook up with some Ultra hot guy that they can be totally picky about.
That's so, you know, you don't find a woman on a dating app.
It's just a rule of thumb.
I think, I think it's worth pointing out that the reason that I am more tolerant of this, of this woman is because from a certain point of view, she just tells basic truths to the kind of trad lot crew, you know, basic truths.
The basic truth under there.
I'm so shocked to learn that women don't like the dial a, uh, App and that it's filled with men.
Yeah, I know.
Well, you're saying it doesn't, it's not very deep insight, but it's obviously true.
Yeah, quite.
Well, what this is leading to is... Where's the next chart?
Are we going to pull that?
Yeah, this chart is basically showing the rise of incels.
So it's basically men under 30 who have had zero sexual partners.
2018 is when the data stops, and it was at a third then.
when the data stops and it was at a third then.
And that was pre-COVID, where basically the only option you had were these dating apps.
So that must be significantly higher at this point.
Probably, yeah.
I can't imagine it's gone down.
I mean, this suggests to me, I mean, I remember reading a fascinating book, uh, years ago called the evolution of everything by Matt Ridley.
Now I probably disagree with most of the things he says in that because he says that everything's bottom up and I say everything's top down, but really interesting chapter in that book about the rise of monogamy and why monogamous religions won out over, uh, polygamous ones, like where you've got the Sultan with the Harim.
And his basic point is that in that scenario, um, you've got a huge number of men locked out of the sex market because they're all with the Sultan.
They're all part of the Harem.
Yes.
Okay.
Um, and eventually what happens is, is that the sex starved men start getting violent, essentially.
Yeah.
Right.
Because marriage is basically domesticating a man.
So if you have a look at what happened in Middle Eastern cultures, you kept on having these uprisings against the Sultan because he was monopolized, him and his family were just monopolizing sex.
I just love the idea of like a 14th century incel uprising against the Sultan and his unit.
I mean, I'm not making this up.
I know, I know.
This is a point I was going to come to later, but basically what we're going to get is we are seeing an oversupply of incels and then later on we're going to see an oversupply of spinsters.
Yes.
So, you know, what does that do to a society when you've got all of that sort of Well, as you said, the raw male energy with no outlet on one side, and spints us a few minutes later.
In a way, when the left are worried about the quote-unquote incel problem, it is actually legitimate because you have all of this pent-up energy and it's got nowhere to go.
But also, also there's a fundamental unfairness about it as well, right?
It's not the fault of these young men that women aren't interested in.
They didn't create the system.
They didn't set the scene.
They grew up in a world that was radically against them and in favor of the sort of promiscuous Tinder using.
And what's very interesting is that one figure we should mention talking about the Sultan is that there's the rise of a kind of new Sultan, like that's what Andrew Tate is.
He's an unofficial modern day Sultan who is monopolizing women.
And so his message is, and the message of people like him is, well, listen, it doesn't take much to stand out in this market.
You know, you might as well make hay while the sun shines.
Yeah.
Um, you know, uh, so that's what, that's one message that gets out there, but of course it exacerbates the problem because the more Andrew Tate's there are, the higher that percentage of incels goes up because he, they are monopolizing more and more of the market.
So it's, uh, kind of interesting.
It's also interesting that there is a eunuch class coming into being as well.
I remember reading something about this a while ago, like essentially every era of history has got the way of making the units.
And it's like, that's weird.
That can't be true.
And then you look around now and you're thinking, wow.
Be careful on that, we're on YouTube.
Well, I won't go very much further, but, you know, what I'm saying is, it's... They could create the Unsullied.
There'll be like a real-life Daenerys.
Yeah, it's happening.
If that's what it takes.
And the flip side of this is, let's go to Chris's tweet, if we can cool that up.
Yeah, so it's basically the approach thing.
Chris Williamson.
Yeah, so this is pointing out that 55% of single men say that they haven't approached a woman in the last year.
Well, no wonder you're bloody inzel then.
Well yeah, but I mean, there are all kinds of civilizational incentives against doing it.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
I'll run through the stats because they're quite relevant.
So 70% of young women under 30 are basically saying that they wish that they were approached more, whereas when you get over 40 with women it flips and now the majority of them say that they don't want to be approached.
Because they're married.
Yeah so you've got this curious dynamic where Female nature is basically requiring men to make the first move.
They want, overwhelmingly, 86% of them say they want men to make the first move.
But you've set up this culture with all of the sort of, well, you've got the Me Too, the Gillette ad.
I think there's more than that as well, though.
There is obviously all of that, where it's a feminist cultural inclination to try and get men to actually stop approaching women.
But also, as the balance of power has shifted, women now are the better educated, they're the better employed, they have more material wealth, and they have systems that are loaded in their favor.
And so this All works against the courage of men and the self-confidence of men because a young man can't say, well, I've got a great job.
I've got a great education.
At least I'm physically an impressive person in myself.
Well, that's another one of the paradoxes is as you go up the educational strata for women, they find it harder and harder to find a male partner.
Yes.
Um, so much more of them are single because they can't find somebody who meets their sense.
So I'm not necessarily saying stop educating women.
I'm just saying if we were to do that, they would be happier.
And young men would also be happy.
Actually, a friend of mine that I've known since my school days get married later this year, which obviously meant we went on a stag do, right?
So earlier this year, I went to Magaluf.
Can you imagine me?
Not really.
That's why I had the Hawaiian shirt because I went to.
And how was it?
Um, well, I actually saw an example of this up close because me and my 40, like all of us lads in our, who are literally 40 years old, married with kids, you know, and a bit, uh, well, you can see, you know, past our peaks, dad bods or whatever.
We were out, you know, uh, And, um, but of course we, we remember, we just reverted to doing what we did when we were 18.
We were out, you know, it was Magaluf.
And, um, when we were in this little club there, um, group of, uh, Zuma lads walked in.
They must've been about 18, 19.
Now bear in mind, we're in Magaluf.
There are women.
Everywhere they're drunk and they're in Magaluf and you know, if you can't score here, you can't write.
And literally these five lads walked in, they bought, uh, they bought like a bottle of thingy.
They sat around the table and they, they just went on their phones and honestly, two hours, they were just on all of them sitting quietly on their phones.
as i watched my old school friends dominate the dance floor and basically hoover up the i mean they didn't do anything committed uh they probably still don't what i'm saying is they dominated the they dominated the attention yeah of the girls that those guys you know if that was us back when we were 18 they would have been because we're not we're not afraid of approach that's it we're We haven't had that beaten out of us.
I don't know if it's like when you were that age, but when I used to walk into a bar with my mates, we'd basically walk through the door, just go like that, and maybe see each other once or twice again through the rest of the night, just interacting with people in the club.
I mean, I don't want to get into tactics where, you know, you send in the hot one, two wing mates.
But the point is, these young men had no confidence to not even approach a woman, but to enjoy themselves in a Not even to talk to each other or dance.
They were literally just on their phones.
Just having a group of guys standing around talking and having fun is an attractive thing.
I'm not much of a dancer, but what me and my mates used to do, just go to a pub or a club and we'd just enjoy ourselves with each other, have a laugh, fool around.
And then a couple of women on the peripheral, someone will start talking to one and So if they see you having fun, you seem like a fun person to talk to.
Exactly.
And so they want to talk to you.
And so suddenly now you are talking to women without really having done anything than just enjoyed yourself.
And these lads, and I've, I've seen it before as I, you know, when you go into a pub or something and just sat there on the phone, it's like, you've got no options here.
But also you've got no chance when you're doing that.
You're basically taking yourself out of the game as it were.
And the thing is, is that.
In an environment like that, in a way, Andrew Tate is right, it's not that hard to stand out, you know?
And in many cases, all it is, is like, job, presentability, and a bit of confidence.
You don't even need to be like... But the whole thing that we're talking about, the making the approach, it has been beaten out of young men through the things I talked about, the Me Too, the Jet Ladder, all that kind of stuff.
And actually, I'll give you an anecdote.
It's quite awful, actually, but there was a company that I wasn't involved in, but a mate of mine was on the board of this company.
And they basically had a guy speak to one of the girls and just say, oh, would you like to get a drink sometime?
A perfectly normal approach.
She kicked up a fuss, went to HR.
They looked at it and said, oh, come on.
This was a mild, polite response.
But then what happened is the management were about to go, yeah, fine.
We're just knocking this one back.
And then they said, oh, hang on a minute.
This department is a little bit overstaffed and employment law is a right ball ache.
We've got a free pass here.
And then they thought, yep, we'll do it.
So they binned him, but basically to bypass employment law on the whole issue.
Yeah.
I mean, I will say probably don't try it on with anybody at work.
But another part of this though, as well, is that one thing you quickly learn, especially as a young man, I was a young, when you're 18, 17, 18, 19, is that you are going to get knocked back a lot.
Oh yeah.
Right.
And I mean, I remember I had a friend, his tactic for the night was basically ask every girl, ask every single girl.
And one will say yes.
Right.
Eventually one will say yes.
And he's like, well, he doesn't care.
And he's ridiculous, but he works.
Right.
But that, that was, and that he had like, you know, a lot of success with that, with that sort of thing.
In our day they didn't call the police after the third run.
Even if it's not in a nightclub setting, just like asking a girl you quite like out for a drink, you have to be prepared that she's going to knock you back and not let that crush you.
I post these on Twitter quite often where it's some woman being like, men don't even pursue anymore, what's going on?
You say no, and then they never talk to you again.
I see a lot of those tweets.
It's basically along the lines of, I said no to a guy.
Why isn't he pursuing me?
Yeah.
Because a lot, a lot of, but again, this is not something I can advise you to ever do because it's very contextual.
You know, it depends on how she says no to you and the whole thing's kind of a test of your resolve actually.
Yeah.
But I, you know, in the modern era, you can't really advise on that.
So if a woman says no, just leave it there.
I mean, without going into really advanced tactics, I mean, if you can, I mean...
You can also start getting a little gamey where it's like, well, she expects you, you get a bit flirty or whatever, you should expect you to ask her out.
And then you don't do the thing, you kind of knock her off balance a bit.
And I mean, in my experience, they'll just ask her out eventually.
They'll ask you out, you know?
Well, they'll at least like, they'll send like, like my wife sent a friend with her number to me.
I mean, they'll let you know if they like.
They'll let you know, but you've got to.
You've got to show the interest of that, right?
Women get better at that as they get older.
So sort of the over 40 women are not shy in the slightest of sort of letting themselves be known.
But the younger women, they kind of don't really know how to do that apart from like sending a friend over.
But yeah, they struggle with this.
So effectively, I've got a meme which we're flipped through.
So it's basically this.
This is what's happening is that it's the older women.
They don't like to be approached and they're, you know, sort of force feeding the feminism on young women.
So I will then jump to our plug for this episode, which is going to be the evil origins of feminism.
So, I mean, you on that one.
I am.
This is, excuse me, this is Connor and I. Connor has a particular Uh, academic hatred for the, uh, original feminists.
And he has been through for his degree.
He went through all of this stuff and had to read it all.
I read most of it for fun, but he's, he's, uh, he's got a really in depth, uh, view of it all.
And so we went through it and just, he just takes it apart expertly.
Cause this is obviously been just a kind of a real bug bear for him.
And that's why we did part two of X. We did this part one.
That was really good.
I was like, Oh, brilliant.
How'd you know?
So I had to do it for my degree.
And he was like, no, there's more.
And so I won't, I won't spoil any of it, but definitely worth the time this one.
So that's worth checking out.
So I'm going to end on this paper where we got the, um, this is from, as it Rob, Rob Henderson did this, uh, you've got to bypass that.
Yeah.
So, so he, he did this interesting thing.
It's full, it's full of, um, stats and so on, which I don't think we can re we can really get into now, but I'll just pick out one or two that I thought were interesting.
Um, the, the striking one for me is that, um, one in six young men are single, but about one in four, uh, women are.
So, so basically what's happening is they are sharing high status men.
Right.
They are getting, they are getting double times.
And I, I think on some level they must know, but they're, but they're, but they're kind of, they're kind of happy with that rather than lowering their standards.
It's the Sultan effect, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you already talked about it.
So, but again, what that's going to lead to is.
Spinsters.
Yeah.
Armies and armies of spinsters in the future.
We've already touched on the higher expectation point about how basically if you educate women too much, they can't find a man and they become unhappier over the long term.
The political division one, that's quite interesting as well.
So that's basically pointing out that people are becoming less and less tolerant, particularly the left, of dating somebody outside of their sphere.
You know, I'm skeptical of this one because of the stupid sexy Republicans meme.
And there are lots of left-wing women who... Yeah, but they're forcing themselves into it.
Yeah, but I think there are a lot of them who, like, do find the MAGA guy sexy, these Democrat women, you know, some big MAGA chud, and they just... I think that if given enough time in a bar together, I think that'd solve itself.
I think there's, just to go back to old-fashioned economics a minute, Dan, Difference between stated and revealed preference on this one.
I mean, it's very different.
I remember an article a while ago that I think we covered this.
Why can't I stop having sex with Republican men?
It was just like, well, there's a revealed preference right there, isn't there?
It was, it was very, I also think that, I mean, I don't know if you, if he has this stat there, but you know, there's that stat of the boys are getting more conservative and girls are getting more liberal.
Yeah.
I actually think that speaking just You know, objectively women at some level want male attention.
Yes.
Okay.
This is just kind of hardwired thing.
Yeah.
And I think the women on that graph are a lagging indicator that eventually the male attention, they'll start saying and doing things to get, because if most of the boys are conservative, they're going to have to appeal to them because they are the boys.
And it's by a factor of two to one as well.
So like 8% of women are more liberal, but like 20% of men are conservative.
They will bend.
They will bend to your world view over time.
My wife was a lefty because, well basically young women are.
But when I met her, not anymore.
And this is something that I think a lot of commentators always miss.
Do you remember back in the youth quake of Corbyn?
Yeah.
But you have a look at the same people now and track them.
You know, they're watching us.
They're a part of our audience.
How many former Corbynistas are now, you know, on our side of things.
So the, the analysis is always that they assume that just because somebody is left wing now, they'll always be left wing.
But you know, it's the Peter Hitchens story.
That's a white pill.
We got a white pill out of this.
And the other white pill that I'll throw in at the end of this is how people meet.
It is still overwhelmingly people meet in person.
So it's not the apps.
So I guess if I'm going to end up with any sort of message on this is probably get off the apps and just go to the pub.
Well, there's no Zoomers in the pubs anymore, but you've got to find a way to interact with people in real life.
Go to the pub.
You know, you're just going to have to do it.
You know, it's going to be, you got no real choice.
Yeah.
Have fun.
Right.
Over to you.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, shall we roll the video?
Do I?
Uh, well, do you want to do a couple of plugs while you?
Oh yeah.
I mean, I, I can, uh, yeah, I can tell people again should buy the profits of doom.
Yeah.
I'm sure it'll be another best-selling book.
You can also buy courses at the academic agency.
I mean, the academy now, as it stands, the actual universities, increasingly they're teaching people what to think and not how to think.
And all of my courses, especially if you do the trivium, you know, how to write, How to, how to, how to think using logic and reason and evidence, how to construct an argument through clear writing.
And then the third course, which is Foundations of Rhetoric, the third part of the Trivium, goes right back to Aristotle and establishes all of the tricks they used to use, the sophists and all of that.
It was considered a form of magic.
But then it brings it right up to date with people like Jonathan Haidt and Daniel Kahneman.
The Trivium used to be fundamental, the backbone of the classical education.
People did the Trivium for hundreds of years.
In fact, they were still doing it up until about the 1950s.
What shock...
One of the things I found when I was writing the Trivium is that a lot of the textbooks were from the Victorian era and they expected 12 year old kids to know this stuff.
Right.
So, I mean, if you're ambitious, you can get this for your 12 year old.
And, you know, if you want to talk about progress and decline, if your 12 year old can do my Trivium, you know, they're up to speed with where like a kind of public school boy from 1912 would be or something like that.
Uh, yeah, I tried to, uh, you know, obviously I need to make a living.
So, uh, and this is the main way I do it.
But, um, also like of the thousands of people now who've done these courses, it's, it's helping basically fill in what our education system is not doing it or not doing for us.
And I have known people funny enough about the dating thing.
Somebody did the Trivium foundations of writing in particular.
And it said it helped me get a girl because she wrote to him and said, it's refreshing that somebody was writing in full sentences.
So he actually pulled, well, I'm not going to guarantee that.
But more likely if you're at university or something, if you're a student, it should help you at least, at the very least, state your essays, you know.
With an outside chance of tail.
Uh, with a, with a, with a very disconcerting answer as well.
One confirmed case is good enough.
Right.
Can we, uh, can we get to the video then please, John?
Oh, yeah.
By Prophets of Doom as well.
Yes.
When is it out?
Is it out?
I think that is out at the end of the 5th of September, which is next week.
OK.
So if you put in a pre-order now to Amazon or you buy it there, you should get it through.
I mean, some people have, I think, already started receiving their copies.
So it's kind of out, basically.
I just want to say one thing I really like about Valor is he looks like an actual vampire.
You know what's funny is that I got this when I got my author copies.
My wife picked up this book and she looked at them.
She was like, what is this?
Is this like a tea party from hell?
And I said to her, who out of all of them, who will you go for a tea party?
You know, who would you invite over?
And she ended up saying Toynbee because he just kind of looks like a little old English gentleman.
And that's what he was.
He was a little older.
Yeah.
You know, look at Evola and Speng, Speng.
Yeah.
Look like actual monsters from Frankenstein and Dracula.
Yeah.
Literally.
Yeah.
Literally.
Anyway.
Right.
Let's go.
Let's get a look at the video.
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A new conservative age has officially arrived.
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Oh, there we go.
There we go.
So the BRICS, it was a grouping of Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, and they have just announced that they're taking on Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE.
So basically, a lot of oil has just moved into this bloc.
So as I understand it, this is kind of an economic block, in particular, to set up a sort of, what, a new currency or something?
Well, I think that's a subproject of it.
I mean, they're just going to, they cooperate with each other in a trade partnership.
Um, but what's very clear about this is that of course it's China and Russia.
India has got a population of a billion people plus, uh, South Africa is a huge market.
But I can't help but notice that what this is, is a massive, uh, block of non-Western countries.
Yes.
Non-American.
Yeah.
And this, I guess there's two things.
First, this is a huge development.
Yeah.
It's a complete realignment of the world order because India and South Africa in particular are meant to be our allies.
They're meant to be allies of the West.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, Saudi Arabia is meant to be the sort of the satrapy of the US that their whole currency system is based on.
And Saudi Arabia has been playing exactly this role up until very recently.
And now they're going into bed with Iran Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Egypt, Ethiopia.
So this is huge.
Putin is isolated in the world.
Yeah, he's isolated with nothing but all of the world's resources and population.
So this is a major L for the global American empire as we call it.
Um, that's one part of it.
The second part of it though, is how do we, as people who generally oppose what we call the regime, pass this?
And the reason I wanted to bring up Dr. Steve Turley here, who's a great guy.
The venerable.
Yeah, he's a great guy.
He's probably my favorite YouTube channel.
He genuinely gives me joy.
I love the energy.
Because I'm kind of quite realist and a bit downbeat sometimes.
He's just so optimistic about everything.
It is the unstoppable rise of a new kind of personality.
Yeah, it's unstoppable.
He makes you feel good.
It's dopamine.
Yes.
He does sometimes, he wants to see everything in the lens of the woke versus the conservatives, which is a very kind of like US culture war.
Unstoppable conservative progress trends.
Right.
And one of the things I worry about is that using that lens, it can almost kind of trip you into siding with people who may not, may not have our best interests at heart right now.
The Communist Party of China, Vladimir Putin, the Islamic Republic of Iran, like this is the new base.
He's basically just looked at it and said the Western globalist elite is my enemy, and then he's gone, the enemy of the enemy is my friend, China is my friend.
Now one of the things that is interesting, in fact one of the speakers at the event mentioned this as well.
is that if you have a look at the sort of things they're saying in this block the BRICS countries especially when the Nigeria thing happened but also more recently a lot of their rhetoric is actually quite anti-western and it's not just oh we don't like your woke values It is a complete rejection of the idea of, um, you know, it's anti-colonial.
It's third worldist.
It's kind of, it's our time now and Europe, it's old and it's over and it's done.
But it's not, it's not anti-Western people.
It's anti-Western modes of thinking and governing.
Yeah.
And also anti-Western influence around the world.
Okay.
Now the thing is, is that if you have a look at the sort of things they're saying, Actually, not a million miles away from the sort of stuff that Ash Zakar would say, or the sort of stuff that a critical race theorist would say.
And so you have a very strange scenario where our internal enemy, if you want to put it that way, and our external enemy are saying the same thing.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, they're both basically Marxists.
And also, like, they're against each other, which is an odd part of this, but it's we who are kind of, we have to remember, I think, that even though the external enemy are against our internal enemy, they think the same sort of things.
And I think, you know, some people get a bit carried away with My based Putin, you know, that's not what I'm saying.
And there are a lot of people who do this because Putin, I think is very savvy.
I mean, like, so I don't support Russia or Vladimir Putin, blah, blah, blah.
I've got no interest in Russia.
I've never been there and I don't care about it.
But there's no question that Putin is an effective ruler.
And one of the ways in which he's effective is in his rhetoric.
He knows that the West will hear when he says, I'm not going to let you transition children in Russia.
He knows we hear that, and he knows that the MAGA base, the conservatives, are just like, oh, well, I agree with that.
And so it creates a kind of fracture within our own... He's basically the only cultural conservative world leader.
Yeah.
Apart from one or two, yeah.
One that's especially vocal and speaks in a way that we understand.
I mean, I've been reading a lot of stuff written around the time or just after World War Two recently by many different writers, guys who served in the military, American and British.
And I think one of the things that we've lost over time is the idea of thinking as Europeans or as, as British people, um, as against the interests of America on the one hand and as Russia on the other.
And at that time it was very common to see Europe caught between essentially two enemies that didn't really have the best interests of the people in mind who had a similar anti-colonial, anti-European thesis.
And it's kind of interesting how this dynamic has reared its head again.
And I guess the reason I'm bringing this up in this way is that I think sooner or later, we're going to have to start thinking like, well, if this American ship is going to go down, are we going to let them take us down with them?
Or do we want to start standing on our feet again and thinking of our interests again?
Britain joins the BRICS.
Not Britain.
I mean, it's not like, oh, we join the Russians or we join.
It's how do we get a sense of entering world history ourselves again?
Because there's an argument to say that after World War II, Europe has taken a time out.
We've been, we've not been, I mean, I remember the neocon thesis, they talked about Europe living in a postmodern paradise, but America has to be in the world of power.
We've been there, but on the US's leash.
So we have reliably backed, so Britain I'm talking about particularly, we've reliably backed them up for, you know, whichever war they wanted to do.
We have sort of been there, but not, we just haven't been.
We've also towed our weight as well on one of the 2% GDP on the military and things like that.
We've actually been a very reliable partner in this.
Is it partner or is it cheerleading?
Well, very, very reliable satrapy.
Right.
We've like, um, You know, we're, we're, we're somewhere that if, if this was the Roman empire, like, uh, sort of Spain was always very reliable on raising levies for the army.
You could always, you could always raise men in Spain.
Uh, you know, we're, we're that kind of place where it's, we're pro the empire.
And I guess the question is at what point do Europeans start saying being part of this empire is starting to suck.
Well, since the Americans just screwed royally with their actions towards Russia, I mean, they surely are looking at this and going, well, hang on a second.
Well, Nord Stream, I mean, it's just, it's naked at this point.
Yeah.
All I'm saying is, is that it's kind of.
This frame almost obscures what I'm trying to say here, which is that actually you need to see this as two different powers who are both trying to screw you in different ways.
And we have to think like at some point we're going to need to stand on our own.
This is the old classic Henry Kissinger quote, isn't it?
That it is dangerous to be an enemy of the US, but it's fatal to be a friend.
And America will always betray its friends, and we have been in there so close and so tight, our moment of betrayal probably hasn't come yet, but it will.
Who was it?
Was it Cecil Rhodes or someone who was like, England doesn't have friends or enemies or any interests?
That's what the world hegemon hats.
And this is part of the issue is because unlike British empire, which yes, it did have its civilizing mission and so on, but at base, it was pretty practical and it was pragmatic in the way it went about things.
The American empire, it's always been increasingly ideological.
Why are these countries turning towards China and the Chinese fear of influence?
And it's because I mean, in the case of Iran, right the americans have just said if you trade with them we'll boycott you you trade with you know it's been way worse i mean it's been it's kind of hillary clinton has always been let's invade iran yeah so on the on the iranian side it's just like yeah we anyone they have no other choice but to go with it but if you think of some of these other these other countries there they don't want it's like oh yeah we'll trade with you
But also it comes with all of these conditions attached, you know, uh, Tony Blair will come in and help build a school, but it has to be a feminist school and you have to have gay rights and all this sort of stuff.
So this part of the analysis of Turley is actually true.
That is why this block is growing.
Not because the Russians and the Chinese.
they're basically just going to say, you give us oil, we'll give you stuff.
And it doesn't come with...
And we don't need to give you a lecture.
We don't need to...
Can we call it the image of the Droid Floyd thing?
I mean, this is the sort of the key example.
I'll let you do it, John.
It's on the end.
But you know, America goes out, it spreads democracy by the bullet and the bomb.
You've got to push the agenda, you've got to put up a pride flag, you've got to have an image of Droid Floyd put on your wall.
Yeah, basically, you've got to push the agenda.
You've got to put up a pride flag.
You've got to have an image of Joy Floyd put on your wall.
And this is in Kabul.
Yeah.
This is one of the first things the Taliban painted over as well.
Yeah.
I mean, it means nothing to people of Afghanistan.
I mean, look at that guy walking under.
Why is there an African man with, I can't breathe, on my wall?
Mm-hmm.
And I mean, I'm afraid to say the more America becomes identified with, you know, Lizzo and George Floyd and social justice and pride, which have become symbols of the American empire, the more countries are just going to turn away because they don't want to be told.
And what China is doing, which is different from the first, because they're calling this Cold War II, What China is doing is different from what the Soviet Union used to do, is they're not trying to spread communism.
They're not trying to say, we trade with you and it comes at the price of, you know, you have to put the hammer and sickle up.
They're just, they're purely doing on this pragmatic basis, like old fashioned.
What they're doing is useful stuff.
Would you like an airport?
Would you like, would you like something else?
Would you like a dollar denominated loan?
And by the way, if you, if you don't pay back the dollar denominated loan, well, we're going to have that, those oil reserves or that bulk site mine or whatever it is.
Yeah.
And they've done that around the world as well.
I mean, I think that was it Sri Lanka or where?
Basically, if you default, if you.
It's just like, okay, that lands mine now.
And this is now Chinese territory.
And, uh, they've done that all over Australia, let alone Sri Lanka or all across the sort of Indian ocean.
That sort of, I mean, literally the belt and road thing is a bunch of like deep water harbors and things like that.
They're all connecting together.
I watched a video on it that day.
I was like, Jesus Christ, how's America let this happen?
The other thing the Chinese will do, which is very interesting, is that America, they'll go to a place like Iraq.
They'll say, oh, it's very important that we're not seen as conquerors.
We're going to establish a liberal democracy here and it has to be Iraqi.
And then they actually mean it.
They actually do it that way.
Whereas the Chinese, they'll sign a deal.
And they'll be like, Oh, we're going to build a, we're going to build something here.
We're going to build infrastructure.
And they won't, they won't hire local contractors.
Now they ship them in.
They literally bring the entire workforce, all Chinese.
Uh, in fact, my dad told me about this when they were even in, even in Wales, when they were taking apart a, uh, a plant that was there, they literally came in a, in a shipping container, stayed in the, like stayed in the container, didn't see anyone.
And took all the stuff back bit by bit, cleaned it up, took it bit by bit, and literally shipped it all back to China.
So they keep it in, they kind of keep it in house as an old-fashioned, almost extractive, colloquial empire, if you want to put it that way.
Um, but in a way that works, I mean, it's worked all through history.
So why wouldn't they do it?
Should we go back to Steve Turley?
Um, well, I think the point is basically made here that, um, uh, I mean, you can watch the video in your own time, but the basic point is made that.
See, I think it's very easy for people on our side to get a bit too caught up in all of this and end up.
Almost making the third worldist point on their behalf.
And one of the, I mean, for example, later on in this video, one of the people he cites is also a chap who goes on a channel I watch a lot called the Duran called Jackson Hinkle.
You have a look at Jackson Hinkle.
He's basically a old fashioned Marxist.
You know, he, he devoted to George Galloway type or Galloway type.
And this is the danger when it comes to geopolitics because you, You end up inadvertently advancing an enemy's agenda as opposed to something that would be beneficial to it, because ultimately what we want to do...
We want to help the people out in that high street we just saw.
Not what they're planning in Beijing or something.
But we don't have a presence in this fight.
We have been so thoroughly subjugated.
We are dissidents effectively.
So there is no one else that you can throw your weight behind if you're looking to talk about geopolitical actions.
Yeah, who do you feel represents you?
I like that Putin is advocating the interests of his people, but they're not my people.
I would expect him to, but why can't we have that?
Why can't we have one of our national leaders?
I think it's worth saying as well that, you know, if you remember Brexit was meant to be about making Britain sovereign again.
Yeah.
But sovereignty is basically the power to determine whether you enter wars or not, whether you choose your own course or not.
It's decision making power.
You don't always have a choice whether you enter a war.
You understand what I'm saying, right?
If Rishi Sunak decided, actually, we're going to diverge massively from the State Department in Washington.
Just as he was installed, he will be removed if that happened.
I don't think the idea would ever cross his mind.
Of course, because, you know, he's a safe pair of hands as far as they're concerned when it comes to that.
And I think that is something that, you know, just because Brexit happened doesn't mean that fight is necessarily won yet, because actual sovereignty means the ability to determine the course of your own nation's destiny.
As the situation worsens, I think people around Europe can start thinking like this more and more.
As an inevitable, you mean really this is the truth, the true meaning of the AFD in Germany, for example, or Le Pen, or You know, I hesitate to say Maloney, Salvini certainly in Italy, you know.
But effectively what you're saying is the further fung satrapies have already begun this program.
So the Saudi Arabia and, you know, the India, they have already got off the bandwagon.
The frontiers have started to fall away.
I mean, you were talking about this earlier on, Karl.
you know, when an empire starts to fall apart, it's always the frontier that goes first.
But we're talking about- Major provinces just start breaking away.
And I mean, Saudis joining this is just, if I were the Americans, I'd be like, how have we let this happen?
Well, that is a major, major- We were the thing that propped up the Saudi monarchy for like 80 years or something.
How can they feel confident enough to defect from us?
I tell you, I mean, I hate to bring this back to like low personal politics, but Donald Trump, right?
When he got on the blower, he was as old fashioned salesman and he built up a rapport and he got to know guys, right?
Joe Biden.
berates them.
What's his name?
MBS?
Yeah, Joe Biden wouldn't even shake his hand.
Joe Biden personally insulted MBS and he's not forgotten that.
And this is just old-fashioned diplomacy.
Do you remember like six months ago Biden tried to have a call with the Saudi king and he refused him.
You don't do that.
Of course he's been rude.
You don't do that.
The emperor has just arrived.
You put on a full procession for him.
Nope, not today.
And there we go.
Anyway, let's do we have any comments today, John?
Thank you.
Society depends on young men who are willing to die for it.
And young men are willing to die for women, basically, but it's a certain type of woman.
And it's not some woman who shakes your butt around and pleasures them sexually.
Strangely enough, uh, men universally want to die for their mom, uh, past, present, or future.
They'll die for future moms.
They'll die for past moms.
They'll die for present moms.
Women and children first.
And the thing is, when men ask women to submit, it's so that those women are worth defending.
And we're just trying to make them submit so they become good moms.
It's kind of wholesome.
And feminism turned it into this ugly thing.
We just want you all to be good moms.
You know, it's nice.
It's wholesome.
So I think that fundamentally he is right.
Men die for moms.
That's absolutely and obviously true.
The problem, I think, is the American Christian messaging of submit.
The wrong messaging.
Um, I mean, have you got a better word to hand?
No, particularly?
No, I don't either, but I, I, I mean, you know, obviously correct, but just if I'd ever said the word submits to my wife, I think I'd be, I'd be in the dark house for a few days.
Yeah.
I, I, I, I just would not, I know the trouble that's going to cause me domestically and I just wouldn't want to.
I do say that to my wife, but I'm not the model for how you should run these things.
Sure, but my wife is actually the trad wife.
She's a stay-at-home mother with four kids, and I do the work, she does the house, and there's no way I'm going to use the word submissive.
It'd be not worth my time.
What about your wife?
The thing is, the thing is about this is that I, I always think that, I mean, I mean, we mentioned Tay Till you're on what, what you see a lot in that sort of space is a kind of pastiche.
It's like the kind of, it's almost like the feminist critique of the toxic masculinity come to light.
If you actually have a look at genuinely patriarchal societies like, you know, Victorian Britain or whatever, it was all built around consideration and being the gentleman and actually kind of giving way as a, as a, as a kind of form of control and authority.
And so it was a sort of deference that verged on veneration.
Oh yeah.
I remember reading a book a while ago that Victorian men were morally obligated to stand up when a lady entered the room.
Right.
And then it came with, and it came with all sorts of, all sorts of, um, so for example, there's a meat, like if you have a look at some of the conversations on Twitter that go on now, you know, supposedly trad men are always going on about old body count, body count.
And, um, in Victorian Britain, a woman was held up to be so moral and trace that you'd never even dare accuse her of cheating.
Even if she had cheated on her husband, you wouldn't even dare say it because it was, you know, you, you, The de facto assumption was that she was chased.
There's an extremely good book about this called Sex and Deviance by Guillaume Fay that says the important thing is holding up these sorts of ideals even if the truth of them wasn't real.
Is this the one that includes the immortal going to France?
Well, he's a French guy.
He's a French... No, that's not what I was referring to.
Yes, yes, going to France where... I mean... Young men would be initiated.
Yes, so this whole idea that you should keep your virginity before marriage, but actually in France, an old aunt would take a guy aside and be like, you know, show him the ropes before the wedding type thing.
And these things went on.
In, you know, a much more Christian time, let's just say.
His point is that it's the kind of fictions that people believe are important and then you kind of take in the hypocrisies because it's impossible to live up to them, right?
Whereas, I mean, I don't think any of the kind of faux trans that we see on Twitter really understand this sort of thing.
It's very much a simulacrum.
It's an aesthetic.
They're not living me.
They're not living the authentic life.
And this, this is why like a word like submit, I'm living an authentic trans life.
And I'm thinking there's no way my wife would just feel very disrespected.
I said that because it, she's not an inferior in our relationship.
She's got a huge amount of responsibility.
Like right now I'm relying on her to take responsibility for all of my children and the household and the household bills.
And like on a Monday, she gets the weekly shopping.
She's doing all that.
She's got responsibilities.
So the word submit is not the right word.
Cooperate would be a much better word, to be honest.
I do think people have to understand that division of labour is such a thing, but it's quite hard to look after a kid.
After I finish up today, You know, my wife is on summer holidays at the moment.
That means there's no nursery.
So my little one has been, like, my wife has been with the little one 24-7.
That's hard going.
So when I go back, basically, even though I'm tired, I'm going to have to help.
do my bit there to let her kind of younger people without children will have no idea what we're talking about but trust us when you when you get to that point you'll realize the work that i i can see it in my own wife when like for example when i got home yesterday i can see that she's just spent too much time with the children in the last weekend because i was away so i'm gonna have to do the same thing tomorrow actually i think and that's and that is the kind of the um because i think i think for these young guys who are like oh well it's all it's very important
no sex before marriage and the marriage is important Marriage, marriage, marriage.
But actually, what does it take to keep a marriage?
But what does it take?
What is the work of having a family?
And I think that the best thing that so-called triads could do would actually give practical advice.
We've got a buddy, Radical Liberation in America.
He's got eight kids and they homeschool them.
They give practical advice on how they do that.
That stuff is way more useful.
I like people in our sphere, but he is the one that I admire.
Yeah.
Should we do the next one?
Yep.
Well, Carl and others griping that Joaquin Phoenix is too old in the Napoleon movie.
And this is correct, but given our current crop of young actors, that would mean we'd have to have Ezra Miller play him.
That's awful!
Suppose they could just do what they did in the 90s and replace all the actors with dogs like they did with Charles Darnay in the truly best adaption of The Tale of Two Cities, wishbone edition.
Given the current writers' strikes, you could probably replace a lot of those positions and you'd not lose much quality.
So, I mean, you make a very strong point.
And my complaint about Joaquin Phoenix being, I think he's 48.
And I think when Napoleon escaped from Elba, I think he was 46.
So if he's going to be telling the life of Napoleon with a 48-year-old actor, he is obviously too old and will appear too old.
But I mean, maybe they can digitally de-age him or something like that, right?
But but I think it's a very strong point you make.
Modern actors are terrible.
And Joaquin Phoenix is a previous generation of actor who actually at least has some talent.
And I mean, at least I think he will be a good Napoleon.
I think he'll do a good job.
And actually, it's quite an exciting film, actually.
I have not.
It was Ridley Scott.
I mean, that's my biggest question is why is this film being made at all?
Yeah.
What is the reason behind that?
Oh, yeah.
But again, of all people, Napoleon right now.
Very interesting.
All right, let's go through a few written comments before we have to sign off.
Generico says, welcome to the Lootseaters, AA.
Seeing you here is like watching the Avengers team up for the first time.
You think that's a little bit cringe?
I'll remind you that we have a Dark Lord and his forces to defeat.
Fair enough.
Sophie says, wow, academic agent.
This is amazing.
I had no idea what you looked like or what you were called, but you open your mouth and I can recognize your voice.
Look at you.
You look like a proper Italian mob boss.
So it's nice seeing you on the podcast.
I'm looking forward to the conversation.
I haven't got my cigars on me at the minute.
And I absolutely think you are cool.
I'm not, I'm not.
When your daughter says you're not cool, you're like, well, this guy thinks I'm cool.
Richard says, the satanic Tony Blair institutional evil never dies, just propagates and gets funding from rich donors.
Andrew says, I remember not even a decade ago when I was in university, actions like those Tony Blair has undertaken in Africa were textbook examples of neocolonialism and decried with the utmost vigor by academics.
Well, yeah.
Omar says the absolute audacity with which they claim they want Britain to thrive.
They will never talk about conserving anything good because they hate Britain.
The definition of Britain is the London bubble of political elite facilitated by a myriad of exotic serfs.
Who's going to who's going to pour a pret?
Their definition of thrive is GDP line go up because their standard of living will never be affected.
So many solutions to problems that never needed fixing or wouldn't exist without government failures.
Dark Lord is far too polite a description of this creature.
Omar's comments are always really good.
When it comes to your segment, Lord Nerevar says, as a single young man in the modern dating culture, I can advise anyone in a happy relationship to nurture and cherish it like your life depends on it.
It's not flat out here, bros.
Now this is a problem that I do hear from a lot of young men.
I can go to a bar, but the kind of woman that I will meet is not the kind of woman I want to meet.
Yeah.
So my week of thinking about this and looking what's available and out there, I'm thinking of taking out key man insurance on the wife.
Cause you know, I wouldn't want to be without at this point.
I mean, as long as the, as long as the policy was new for old, um, it would have to have that in there.
I'm not, I'm not too fussy about the loner.
I don't know what I'd do if something happened to my wife.
Rose says, join a club so you and whoever you meet will have a common interest.
I met my husband, the libertarian dimension.
That's probably reasonable.
Yeah, LaFrench only swipes left.
There's a chap called LaFrench and he always changes his name depending on the subject we're talking about.
As somebody who's worked in multiple dating app companies and have seen normal-looking men successfully get laid repeatedly, I can say that the success rate varies wildly between apps.
There's two types of men who stand out.
Those who are built well, the top 10%, and those who party a lot and get women with a lure of free alcohol.
So interestingly our lovely Lotus lady did point out that when she was looking through these profiles and what she was most shocked about is the feminization of the men on them.
Really?
Because she kind of split it down into there's the gym bros The old guys who just don't have a clue how this bloody thing works and then the no hopers.
consistent well the the old guys um well most of the time they didn't fill out the profile bit at all but the but the but even the gym bros the feminization in their language and their profile it was things like i'm looking out for my mental well-being and my you know all of that kind of new age bollocks and she and she was looking through and say oh that's a good looking guy reading and it's like oh my god no yeah so your one probably i mean how many hits did you get eventually at the end uh
oh i stopped checking up but i i know it was about five or six by the morning and then after that that's not bad in a day yeah i suppose not you know and it's probably just because your profile doesn't come across as effeminate yeah nothing else if anything it was uncompromising it was like yeah nope this is what i want yeah one of the questions i've got is that what what about all those other things that conventionally have kind of got women like for example like uh
You know, being successful, having a good career or having high status or, you know, this is the kind of old trope of the, of the, like the little Hollywood director with Marilyn Monroe on his arm and things like that, you know?
Well, because there's one metric for women and there are multiple metrics of success for men.
Right.
And this is why all of this is kind of books based, but in the real world, I mean, it's like, you know, another way of going about your profile is like, well, You know, I own over a hundred grand.
But this is, this is something that's increasingly, as I pointed out, this increasingly out of the reach of zoomers, because if you're an under 30 zoomer, you probably don't have anything.
Yes.
And this is one of the issues I guess, is that, and it's actually something my wife has talked about, is that equality.
It's not that young women don't want to get married.
Okay.
It's that people want to get married to people their own age.
Right.
Um, a lot of the time, but of course women also want to do the, they want to marry up.
Yeah.
So conventionally there used to be like a 10 year age gap.
If you go back with a silent generation, the boomers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you go back a few, like the boomers, they're the ones who started at the same age and like, but even with them, it was common for there to be several years, but yeah, there's like a seven or 10 year gap because if you're a guy in your mid thirties, you've got everything together.
You've already got a career.
You can afford.
to run a family.
And you're actually ready to do the set-up thing.
So like the 35-year-old and the 25-year-old, the 30-year-old and the 20-year-old, for example.
Whereas now I think people think of things like that as being a bit strange.
But of course, so...
I totally encourage it.
But really, that would be the solution to this because by the time somebody's in their mid thirties, they should be looking at someone in their early, like a girl in their early twenties.
And he then could kind of, uh, take care of her in that sort of... He can provide resources that she requires.
Exactly.
Yes.
But, uh, but I honestly, I'm, I'm quite an ashamed of those.
Marry a younger woman, chaps.
And if you're in your twenties, just, just get to work basically.
Um, but right, we've got to end it there.
So, uh, Nima is the academic agent.
Where can people find you if they want more?
Well, I mean, a lot of people, I mean, my, I am Nima Parveni, the author of this book, but, um, a lot of people don't know that I am also academic agent on YouTube and I am also OG Roland Ratt on Twitter.
And I, I know people.
Who got my books, watch my channel and follow me on Twitter and don't know I'm all three people, but I am all three people.
Is there any chance of, um, an official profile?
No, I am an OG and non on the internet and old habits.
I'm from the old forum days, so I'm never going to stop.
I'm always going to have different names on different.
Right, right.
Well, thanks so much for joining us.
Uh, and we will see you tomorrow.
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