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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #720
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Hello and welcome to the podcast, The Lotus Eaters episode.
Which episode is this?
720 on today, the 16th of August 2023.
I'm your host Harry, joined today by special guest Charlie.
Good afternoon.
And also special guest Connor.
Yes, I did no prep for this podcast and we just decided to make it a lads hour.
Yeah, why not?
It worked well last week, so why not do it again?
We lost the sunglasses this week though, unfortunately.
But we have regained our dignity!
They are in the office, if someone wants to go and run and grab my sunglasses... Please don't run and grab them!
Please someone get the sunglasses, don't lob them my way!
No, we're going to be talking about how Germany has gone full democracy, how statistics can be used to prove anything, including how you're gay, and we're also going to be talking about how we do not get identity, whereas everybody else from The rest of the world gets an identity.
Before we get into that, though, I just need to make an announcement that our video comments currently aren't working on the website.
We've only got one video comment to go over at the end of this episode.
And that's because of some technical issues that we're experiencing.
So we should get that fixed within about a day or two.
But in the meantime, if you'd like to send in your video comments, you can send them to video.editoratlotuseaters.com via email.
So, with all that, shall we get into it?
Let's.
Alright then.
So, Germany's decided that they want to go full liberal democracy, because they have decided that they might just outright ban a democratic political party, because this is how democracy works.
When you peel back all the layers and obfuscation this is what happens is you get the uniparty who all believe the same things behind the scenes but then just split themselves into two mildly varying parties that everybody gets to choose who to vote for and then anybody else who exists even slightly to the left or right of that gets banned.
This is the Schmittian position of that there are certain issues beyond reproach declared beyond debate and so if you fall outside those parameters you're no longer part of the democracy anymore.
Yeah, you're right to bring up Schmidt, because this is just... I mean, he's just laughing right now.
Because this is just pure... Wherever he is.
Yeah.
Friend-enemy distinction on display in the clearest possible terms, you know.
It's only what the regime allows, you know, those are your options.
Yeah.
So there's no meaningful choice.
You either get banned, or we make life massively difficult for you to the point where you'll just give up, or preferably die in a hole somewhere, is how these politicians tend to look at it.
Or we'll get beat up by Antifa.
Oh well, many such cases.
Before I get any further into it, I think it's relevant to point you all to the latest episode of Brokenomics, which is a discussion between Dan and Carl.
It was somewhat improvised because there were some issues with what Dan originally had planned, but it turned out really well because they talked about the rot within culture and a different Varying levels of optimism for the future, and it's been named quite appropriately, De-Civilization.
And what we're experiencing in the West at the moment, in Europe especially, is certainly what I would describe as De-Civilization.
Because while we're going to be focusing on the AFD for this segment, I think it's first good to remind everybody that recently the banks just decided that Nigel Farage shouldn't have a bank account.
This is something that just happened out of nowhere but I think they made a mistake with this because Nigel Farage has proven in the past quite a few times he's actually one of the better political actors in the UK for organizing and getting momentum going and corralling all of the MPs who are on his side to get stuff done.
They picked too high a target as well so they did a 40 page briefing on all of the transgressions against progressivism that he did.
One of the officials was an out-and-out Remainer, and that's obviously the flagship thing that most of the press went for, because Farage being Mr Brexit.
But what was hidden underneath that was, this is a Flashpoint test case for how they're going to roll out ESG, and treat their customers as liabilities for their ESG score, if you say the wrong thing on social media.
And so Farage, being that he's such a presence, was one of the greatest liabilities, but they just jumped the gun too early and made him a public example, and he bit back.
Absolutely.
If this had been done to anybody else who was of much lower profile than Nigel Farage, they probably would have gotten away with it.
This wouldn't have happened to anybody else who would have been able to kick up the same stink that Farage could.
But, Farage can kick up the stink because he is a very popular and very public figure.
And so he is able to fight back against it.
So just to clarify what Connor was talking about there, so the private bank Coots, is that how you pronounce it?
Coots had shook Farage's accounts in part because it believed that the Brexiteers views were at odds with our position as an inclusive organization.
Apparently, and I wasn't aware of this, to the point where they had 40 pages worth of incursions.
Nat West who owns Coots faced criticism from Rishi Sunak and other senior politicians for failing to respect an individual's right to freedom of expression which of course only ever matters if it's somebody on their same class who gets in trouble for these sorts of things because you know MPs they see normal people like your eye being debanked and they think Maybe, maybe I should care.
Maybe this is something I should care about.
They see another MP get debanked and they go, oh God, that could happen to me.
And that's when they start to panic and start to organize politically.
Well, even just the lower runs of Reform UK and Richard Tice and Ben Habib have both had their bank accounts closed.
Lawrence Fox had the Reclaim Bank account closed.
They just know that Farage as a political spearhead, which in the 2019 election, had he not stood the Brexit party aside, it would have have significantly hampered the Tories' massive electoral margin.
They know that he's an existential threat to the Tory party and that some of their backbenchers actually put more stock in Farage at this point than in Rishi Sinek.
So they know they had to fall in line with that.
Otherwise, they're going to alienate the public.
It's not difficult to sympathise with those backbenchers.
No, they're one of the few remaining good backbenchers.
But again, because of the precarious nature of the Tories' electoral standing, even their seats are in test station at the moment.
Some of them are Red Wall people.
And so they're like, well, I might not even be here next election either.
On this story as well, I mean, we've already raised the idea of the friend-enemy distinction.
That is obviously very relevant to this story.
But there's also, obviously, Marcuse's repressive tolerance.
Because in that, what you just read out, it says we are, you know, it doesn't align with our values as an inclusive organization.
Well, inclusive only as far as, you know, you deem it, you deem them worthy.
Exclusive by any other name.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, we've determined the exception.
Yeah, well, there we are.
And you fall within the exception, so sorry.
Goodbye.
But once again, it turns out they messed with the wrong guy, because now the Financial Conduct Authority has been writing to MPs, peers, and other public figures, including Farage, to ask them whether they've been treated poorly by bankers after it emerged that the Brexiteers' accounts have been closed, yada yada.
A spokeswoman said the FCA was keen to hear from MPs about any problems they have encountered, One of the reasons as well that they can do this is because NatWest has a, I think the government has a 30% stake in it, so it's unlike most of the banks.
NatWest is the parent company of Coots, so that means they can actually exercise more legislative leverage over this particular bank.
They mention that in this article, if I scroll down a bit, it actually has 38% owned after the 45.5 billion pound bailout from 2008.
So that's great to know that a taxpayer funded bank has been doing this to an incredibly wildly popular public figure.
So it emerged that Coutts had also lost two senior executives recently.
Peter Flavell, 63, the chief executive, left last month after the revelations about Farage's account.
Andrew Kyle, 42, the finance director, left in March, but his departure was not disclosed until a filing on Companies House website yesterday.
It is understood that the departure of Kyle is not related to the debunking controversy.
A successor is expected to be announced soon.
So it is actually good that somebody has been fired for this, or left, chosen to step down, because what you want to do with institutions like this, because of the fact that they are not your friend, they are staffed entirely by your enemies, well, you want your enemies to lose their jobs when they act in such a hostile way.
And then you want to preferably replace them with your friends, but At least we got halfway there this time.
Well, that is the issue.
I mean, James Burnham talks about this in the managerial revolution, about how clearing out a leader figure is easy because you can just get rid of one person.
But clearing out a committee of managers is... Clearing out the bureaucracy.
Yeah, is borderline impossible.
Because while it's good... Swamp almost.
Yeah, it's good obviously that Farage has taken the scalps that he has.
That's a victory and we should take that.
But the people that are going to replace the people who have left are going to be of the same stripe.
They're going to be the same type of person.
So I don't want to, you know, I don't want to bring us down here.
No, but the incentive structure remains in place.
It comes back to the ESG system.
If you look at their 2021 earnings report, they literally say, our partner BlackRock has gotten us onto ESG, which is why we're a net zero committed and diverse and inclusive bank.
And so without taking the capital and the legal framework away from ESG, you've still got all of the liquid in the structure.
You've got to take away the boundaries of the structure, and then the liquid will just dissipate.
And people mainly follow incentives rather than ideas.
So with all the money flowing into this system, it's the only reason why these managerial midwits are being blown in this particular direction.
If you took away the ideological boundaries and just put them in the direction of making money, then we wouldn't have this persecution in the first place.
Yeah, really what Farage needs to do is start to apply pressure to have more people fired, have more people cleared out, and to have his own people positioned in these positions instead.
There's really what he should be doing, but we'll see what goes on in the future and if the FCA are actually a useful organization for this, because I don't trust the regulators at all either.
But once again, someone got fired, so that's a nice first step.
But how is political opposition being treated in Germany?
Well, let's look at the AFD.
We have spoken about the AFD a number of times.
I know that this segment, that Callum did, was mainly about Mr. Krabs AI singing songs.
Did you not watch this segment?
No.
Callum has a very esoteric manner when it comes to dancing around particular subjects and getting to the point of them.
It was very entertaining.
But at the end of this, we discussed how the AFD have been making major strides in German politics.
They have now become the second biggest party in Germany, and many are labeling them as being far right, but really they are just center-right at best.
They have come out and they said, we don't want public funds being used to house migrants who shouldn't be here in the first place.
And while we're on the subject of migrants, maybe we shouldn't be bringing in millions of them every year.
This is enough for them to be labeled as Nazis, as you would imagine.
And we've actually done an interview with them in the past Carl and Callum have both been quite close to the AFD and speaking to them.
And whenever they discuss the AFD, they remind me of one thing, that these are just normal, friendly German chaps.
They're not going around in jackboots, stomping around, goose-stepping and throwing up Roman salutes or anything like that.
They're just people who love their country, which is Honestly, something unusual in Germany.
If you love your country in Germany, they do just kind of assume that you are a Nazi, and they don't want to see their country be destroyed by mass migration, as is only sensible for them.
So this is an interview back from 2020 with the Vadim Dirksen, and you can find this for free on the website.
I'd highly recommend you check it out.
Where he discussed his experiences being assaulted by Antifa, which is something that is very common for these politicians to experience, where he was actually stabbed by one of them as he was trying to attend a film festival, which he and some of the other members of the AFD Youth Party, Youth Division, had been invited to.
They'd been expressly invited to it, a load of Black Bloc style Antifa goons show up, attack them, stab him in the arm, the police look into it, nothing comes up.
But we also know that only certain political stabbings matter, because Joe Cox's stabbing over in the UK by a delusional schizophrenic who is a self-purported white nationalist, that has become ubiquitous with the Brexit era and the rise of the far right.
But as soon as the fella from Southend gets stabbed, Sir David Amis, by a migrant son of some foreign diplomat in the name of Islamism, Oh, it's not real Islam, don't worry, migrants, it's just because we didn't give them enough pool tables and we didn't assimilate them fast enough that this poor MP got murdered.
Only certain political motivations matter when... Manchester Arena bombings, it's not maybe we should do something to stop what caused this in the first place, it's don't look back in anger.
We have the, I forget, we did the segment a few weeks ago where Callum was talking about the large article where it turned out that the British intelligence services actually have contingency plans in place for whenever any kind of foreign or Islamic terrorism happens to try to divert energy and attention away from looking at the actual causes of
of these problems and any solutions to them because those solutions would not be diverse or inclusive enough and trying to turn it into a picture of unity between all of the different new identities within Britain that make up our new, more inclusive British identity.
It's to re-aggusting.
Rehabilitate the reputation of the ailing Muslim community that may have run interference either by scripture or by some elements that would not profess to have grooming gangs or terrorists in their midst.
And just on Don't Look Back in Anger, I mean, I heard Morgoth talk about this once.
Like we have to understand that didn't just, that's not an organic thing.
I love hearing Morgoth talk about this because he's never very happy when he talks about it.
No he's not.
But you have to understand that was decided in some office somewhere where they were thinking like okay what's what's a song that's gonna, it's got a kind of nostalgic sound, it's got the right sort of message, it's an Oasis song, you know it's Northern.
It was it was some office worker who got his week's pay sorted just for suggesting Uh, don't look back in anger.
That'll bring everyone together.
Who knew breaking out the guitar for Wonderwall might be a tad too egregious?
Option two.
Absolutely disgusting.
But the fact that those contingencies even need to be planned for.
Didn't used to be like this.
What's the fact that the government know that this is a possibility and instead of actually preventing the possibility, because we know that the intelligence service that was prevent, that was initially set up to prevent Islamic terror attacks, is now being more orientated towards Far right, white supremacist activities.
These organizations are actively positioned against the native populations and against solving the problems that are so obvious to anybody who is paying any slight attention.
And the AFD are paying attention, know these problems exist and say, well, if you vote for us, We'll solve these problems.
We'll do our best to try and prevent mass migration.
Do our best to try and prevent your demographic replacement.
Do our best to prevent all of the crimes that happen as a result of the migration and demographic replacement.
For this, they get labeled far-right.
But, as well, they get a lot of votes.
A lot of support is going their way.
As I mentioned, they are now Germany's second strongest party.
And so, in the name of democracy, Germany is currently deciding whether they should ban them or not.
And this is just how democracy works, folks, is that you exist within the playground, and if you don't want to be in the playground, well then, you're not one of the cool kids, and you're going to get grounded.
You're going to get put in detention, and preferably you'll lose your livelihood, lose your job, and eventually be exiled like some kind of thought terrorist, where you can die off in some far-flung country if we don't just put you in prison.
This is a point that's often made on Timcast, is that when the Democrats talk about our democracy, they are literally delineating Us, as in their club, and you.
You are excluded from the democracy, you're an existential threat to it, and so you must be ostracized and cracked down on, even to the level of parents complaining at school boards about sexual perversion in their materials.
And it's because, in the American context, you've got the emergence of the Constitutional Republic, the original thing, and this kind of barnacle ideology of the multicultural democracy being grafted onto it that is metastasizing and parasitic and taking over the original organism.
And what we're seeing here is the post-war paradigm that is pathologically terrified of Nazism re-emerging from the German context, that it uses that label wrongly to apply to the AFD, who are just sort of centrist, really, and don't want their country flooded with migrants, to then ostracize them from, again, the quote-unquote, our democracy.
It's just saying, it's our club and you aren't allowed in.
Yeah, I think people are noticing this more and more.
Like you say, it's our club and you're not allowed in.
People were sold the idea of democracy in this 19th century fashion of well it's just a system wherein the people get to have a say in who governs them and they get represented because you're paying tax so you might as well be represented in parliament and therefore from that point you have some kind of even minor say you get to have your minor say no it's not a system because that sounds far too neutral that sounds like it might actually give people what they want because if we had even if we had some form of direct democracy which is not something that i'm in support of
We would get better results than what we get right now.
Polls have shown consistently for decades at this point that the average Brit does not want mass migration and barely wants any migration into the country.
There's some Matthew Goodwin's work that I've spoken to him about on the website.
What happens is that democracy as a term is more a system of thought that is Uh, championed by our political leaders, wherein it has very specific guidelines for what you're supposed to do.
It's governance in support of, uh, unsituated international finance.
Uh, it is in support of mass migration.
It is in support of the completely disconnected universal liberal idea of the universal man, wherein anybody in any nation is interchangeable economic units that can be shuffled around like you do numbers on a spreadsheet.
That's what democracy is.
It is completely hostile to anything that could be considered perennial, parochial, and native to European peoples.
Because it's more than happy to, you know, support the identity of foreign nations and foreign peoples who come over here, but would do nothing of the sort for any of us, because that would be fascism.
Well, on that as well, do you notice that when the types you're talking about say they talk about our democracy, they're just using that as a synonym for country.
They could say this is extremely dangerous to our country, but instead they use the word democracy.
Which I think, I don't know, I just think that's really weird.
It's far more international, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's not rooting it anywhere.
You don't want to root it anywhere.
I've heard even people on our side of things, I mean, you know, sort of center-right types, they refer to Britain as our democracy.
And I say, like, why aren't you calling it our country?
And it's because there's, you know, it's one of Carl's thick concepts, isn't it?
A country.
Whereas a democracy is a very thin idea.
Well, it's also being wedded to the institutional structures which enrich and empower them specifically.
Because you could actually clear out the institutional structure, reform it or reduce it or just destroy it outright, and the country would still be going.
But that institutional structure is a product of that internationalist managerial class, the anywhere men who could be transported out of time, place and culture, put down anywhere.
Like Rishi Sunak, who was working at international finance before he was parachuted into a safe seat and rose up the ranks, failed upwards to become prime minister.
Those people, that structure can be transplanted anywhere to create a homogenous world state.
Whereas we're saying, well, no, we're particular to our country, time and place.
And actually, we don't want the expats of the third world flooded in to fundamentally transform that into a regionally managed constituency of that global government.
It just comes down to this argument between, you know, what makes the place.
Is it the people or is it the ideas?
And this debate is ongoing in the distant right, certainly.
And I think there's a certain fear to acknowledge the fact that it can only be people that make the place what it is.
Your ideas are a product of the people time.
Exactly.
Yeah, the ideas are downstream from the people.
If you replace the people, the ideas just disappear.
Yeah, and the liberal milieu presupposes that the truths are self-evident that we are universal men, but it's like, no, those are just conceit for you.
And that conceit is being manipulated to keep the populace in a state of learned dependency while the oligarchs laugh because it's their democracy.
And that's the interesting thing about universalism is it is itself a Western particularism.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
It's not a neutral value.
Neutrality is not a neutral value, as the banks with fraud have shown us.
Yes, absolutely.
Basically, to sum all of that up, democracy is the ideology of globalism.
Basically that.
But let's read on with this article and see what it says.
There is quite a bit of information To go through here, so I'll try and be quick with this.
So, Germany is currently debating whether to ban the far-right alternative for Germany as the party surges to 21% in the polls amid warnings from intelligence officials that its members are becoming increasingly extreme.
So, I think last year the intelligence agencies in Germany decided they're going to focus a lot of attention on spying on AFB members.
Similar, once again, to how Prevent over here is spying on native Brits who they deem to be white supremacists, and the FBI in America is doing very similar things with its own native population who say, well, we don't want gender studies in schools.
That's an explicit threat.
They're now far-right extremists as well.
These terms are all incredibly gray and malleable so that they can just be attached to anyone, anytime, anyplace to designate them as an enemy of the state.
Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German president, warned in a speech to the country's domestic agency that we all have it in our hands to put those who despise our democracy in their place.
That's an explicit threat.
Mask off, yeah.
There you go.
His speech at the castle where the German post-war constitution was created has widely been seen as support for a ban after Thomas Haldewang, the domestic spy chief, warned about growing right-wing extremist influence in the party.
So the spies met in a castle and said we're going to ban the Germans.
It is all rather James Bond.
It's just Indiana Jones!
Mr. Haldenwang said, we see a considerable number of protagonists in this party that spread hate against all types of minorities here in Germany.
It comes amid warnings of the increasing influence of Bjorn Hock, the leader of the AFD in the eastern state of Thuringia.
Mr. Hock, a former history teacher, is known for his Hitler-esque language!
Is that a quote from this article?
That is a quote from this article.
He drinks water, do you know who else drank water?
Hitler.
He speaks German, do you know who else spoke German?
Hitler.
Wait, this is in the Telegraph, yeah?
This is in the Telegraph.
That's not paraphrased from someone else.
No, no, I can give you an example of what, so I'll just finish off this paragraph.
So with his allies sweeping the board for European lists at the parties conference in Magdeburg in August.
So the, if I, uh, yeah, uh, where, where is it?
If you follow this link in the Telegraph article, it takes you to another article, and I found the quote from that article that I've put in my notes here, so I'll read it for you.
So, the Saxony State branch of the party used a photo of a downwards-facing rainbow triangle in a post on Twitter calling for an end to what it described as language abuse in the region's universities.
This symbol is reminiscent of the pink triangle But the Nazis forced gay men to wear when they were sent to concentration camps.
In recent years, LGBT groups have re-appropriated the triangle symbol as part of their own campaigning.
Wait, so... So this is Hitler-esque language.
I don't know where the language came in to this.
And they've literally said, ah, triangles.
Do you know who else used triangles?
The Nazis?
Not even that.
He's using the symbol because then the gay lobby groups re-co-opted and re-used the symbol, so the symbols become synonymous with the gay lobby groups, not the Nazis.
What aren't you understanding here?
I'm sorry, I suppose my IQ is above room temperature.
Are you insinuating some negative traits to our democracy?
This is very subversive behavior, comrade.
But let's go back to this article now.
So in a rare move, the respected Der Spiegel News Magazine... What's with the editorializing in this?
I know, it's very strange.
They wade into the debate with a leader titled, ban the enemies of the Constitution.
Well, that couldn't be any more blatant if he tried.
It warned that the AFD had become more and more radicalized.
It's time to defend democracy with better weapons.
This is once again sounding more and more extreme language coming from the people who are supposedly defending peace, justice, and the German way?
Okay, all right.
The co-leader of Olaf Scholz's ruling Social Democrats also said a ban should be considered if the AFD is categorized as a group of proven right-wing extremists by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.
So if the experts say it, Yeah.
So yes, the leading branch of government says that if a separate branch of government, which presumably they're in charge with or at least work closely with, say that the main threat to their own party are a bunch of terrorists, then we've got no choice but to decide that they're a bunch of terrorists and we've got to ban them.
But especially if they increase their budget and are no threat to the permanently enshrined anti-democratic bureaucracy that is gatekeeping the democracy.
It's the same way that the FBI were all too happy to persecute Trump because Trump wanted to rescind the size of the intelligence state.
And this is just a hilarious farce, as far as I'm concerned.
But just the language again here that's being used about radicalization and extreme and so on.
This is all, for one thing, very emotive language.
But it's all relative language as well.
Because I think radical and extreme are two different things.
Because radical to me just means you're just outside the mainstream paradigms.
It's not a bad thing in and of itself to be radical.
You know, this is where the whole sort of sensible centrist idea comes from.
It's in this country, for example, radical to oppose immigration in many ways, although even though most people agree with that position.
But it's in opposition to the ruling class to hold that position.
That's because our ruling class are the most radically left-wing ruling class that we've ever had.
But this is the distinction.
I think the ruling class are extreme, therefore if you oppose them then you are radical.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that you are yourself extreme.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
Yeah.
Anyway.
I'll carry on with this.
There's just a few more examples.
So we've got the German Institute for Human Rights, a non-governmental organisation.
Ah, the NGOs!
We love our NGOs!
Completely apolitical organisation.
Yep, every single one of them.
They're just neutral charities.
They're not full of subversives who hate Europe.
They declared last week that the AFD have reached a degree of dangerousness, this is official expert language, dangerousness, that they can be banned according to the constitution.
They warned in an analysis that the party is actively and methodically trying to implement its racist and right-wing extremist goals and shifting the limits of what can be said so that people can get used to their ethno-nationalist positions.
Great!
Where can I sign up?
Only joking, of course, they are normal people.
As we mentioned, they are at most centre-right.
Can I just expose a quick example of why the NGO bureaucracy is not political?
Yeah, go ahead.
Back when I was in the environmental sector, we were applying for charity status and we got repeatedly harangued because we'd written articles critical of Extinction Rebellion before as a political group.
But they had already accepted and upheld the Marxist Library's petition to be a licensed charity.
See, I'm reliably told that Extinction Rebellion and Just to Point and so on, they're like the rebels, right?
No, they're against the establishment.
They're manufacturing consent on behalf of the establishment because they do what the UN already wants them to do, just faster.
I think they're the punk rock cool kids, and I want to be a part of that.
Oh, you can tell by the hair dye, definitely.
Of course, yeah.
But if we're talking about extremism, let's look at what actually happens to the AFD.
I've already told you about the interview that we had with their youth leader who got stabbed for trying to attend a public film festival that he was invited to.
Well, most recently, just the other day, the Bavaria chief of the AFD was beaten up in what he described as an organized migrant attack.
So this is what he looks like normally.
They don't have any Blimey!
actual pictures, but they do have a video embedded of a recent interview that he did.
Blimey.
Jesus.
This is what they did to him.
So I'll just read through a little bit of this article.
So he's a candidate for state legislature.
Sleacher.
He said that it was a politically motivated attack by migrants.
Andreas Jerker was returning home with a party colleague on Sunday when he was approached by a group of foreign males who asked him if he was the AFD candidate featured on nearby posters.
Before he could answer, Jerker was punched and kicked to the ground with shouts of, "'Effing Nazi!" His party colleague was also assaulted in a post-attack statement.
He confirmed that the perpetrators of the attack were indeed of foreign origin.
In his own words, I don't mean Spaniards or Italians.
Englishman, presumably.
Yeah, obviously it must have been French.
Acts of violence by left-wing anti-fascist groups are a regular occurrence for the AFD representatives, as is state-backed harassment from domestic intelligence services, the BFV, who formally placed the party under surveillance last year.
So, obviously, under any other circumstances, if he was, say, a left-wing politician, this could sound like some kind of Jussie Smollett incident.
But this is a regular occurrence for them.
We have multiple accounts of very similar things happening.
We've had interviews from a gentleman from the AFD spoken to Callum about similar things happening to him.
So there is no real reason to deny that anything like this would happen when foreigners come over to European countries and they know that the parties in charge are going to give them overwhelming benefits and they are on the side of power, they know that they can get away with this.
Is this being looked into by the police?
The article doesn't show, but given the track record of the police with the other attacks that we've been discussing here, I doubt anything will come of this because this is state-approved violence.
This is state-backed violence.
Anti-fascist groups in Europe and across the West are allowed free reign to do whatever they want as long as the people that they are targeting are going against the political establishment, "even, only, slightly." American politicians as well like Jerry Nadler will deny their existence and call them a myth as they're currently burning down churches and businesses.
It's just an idea bro.
Yeah.
What is it?
What is it that the AFD are opposing?
Because, you know, we say all of this, but Germany might be a perfect utopia of multiculturalism where people come over and they're able to integrate immediately.
They get their passport and the second they get that passport, it magically, as soon as it comes into contact with their skin, they're German.
Just as German as the rest of them.
When they get their passport, their entire heritage German.
They hold a stein and a bratwurst.
All of their history before that erased.
They are now perfectly German.
They have no cultural or ethnic baggage that comes with their identity.
Well, there was an actually quite useful unheard article that I found.
Germany cannot keep ignoring AFD voter concerns.
I'm going to ignore the editorializing in here because she is of course also saying that they are a far-right Nazi party because they oppose the problems that she Clearly outlines in here.
So that's always interesting how that works, but I'll just read some of the information she gives.
So the town of Furstenwald was embroiled in a bitter battle to stop a school sports hall from being turned into an accommodation for migrants, an issue that united supporters of almost all of the political parties, but the AFD are the only major political party that say that they want to sort these problems out nationwide.
First and Wild is a commuter town by the River Spree with a handful of shops, cobbled streets, and a small cathedral.
One of the topics in the beer garden revolved around a brutal stabbing that had taken place in the town a few days earlier.
A 26-year-old man from Styria had stabbed another man several times before fleeing the scene in many such cases.
After hours of searching, police tactical units eventually apprehended him.
The fact that he is currently detained in a psychiatric hospital rather than custody has led to further speculation as to whether the police are treating his case seriously enough.
For instance, the medieval village of Schomburg as well, north of Berlin, has 250 inhabitants and is supposed to find housing for 80 refugees.
So that's what?
A third?
Jesus.
A third of the population is going to be imported into a tiny medieval community.
The local government is looking to lease a plot of land from the parish right in the village center to build a container settlement.
Residents told the local press that it's too much for the village, we don't have anything here, no infrastructure, nothing.
They didn't even consult us.
So, if you believe in democracy as a system, you would listen to the people.
But democracy as a belief system says, no, you have to accept this because your democratically elected leaders say so.
And let's not forget this.
Yes.
The 2015 to 2016 New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany and this was something that was just horrible.
1,200 women had been sexually assaulted on the New Year's night entirely by migrants.
Are we expected to care about this?
No.
We're expected to forget about this.
AFD seem to be the only party in Germany Right then.
Cheery.
Very cheery.
this who have any sort of political hopes and and support behind them so maybe they can do something about it maybe they can't either way if they can do something about it the german establishment might just ban them so may all of our politicians burn metaphorically in minecraft right then cheery very cheery so you might prove anything by figures um
So said Thomas Carlyle in his 1839 essay on statistics in his book Chartism.
And like so much of Carlyle's writing, this essay... Inspiring century?
Yeah, but it's become only more relevant as time has passed and our civilization has aged.
It's been 138 years, and the criticisms that he levels in this essay are only more true now than they were then.
So Carlisle's point is summed up in the following quotation.
So the condition of the working man in this country, what it is and has been, whether it is improving or retrograding, is a question to which, from statistics hitherto, no solution can be got.
Hitherto, after many tables and statements, one is still left mainly to what he can ascertain by his own eyes, looking at the concrete phenomenon for himself.
So in other words, statistics, or abstractions more generally, they can't give us a solution.
They can't tell us what we ought to do.
And moreover, they don't actually paint a truly comprehensive picture of the world as it is.
It doesn't get at the essence of the thing, is what Carlisle says.
So in the case of the working man, Carlyle contends that while statistics may show his condition to be improving, if you go out and walk in the streets you'll see the actual reality as it was on the ground with your own eyes.
So this leads us nicely into the exchange that inspired this segment.
So a certain Akkadian King here and a chap who goes by Monitoring Bias have been going back and forth on this topic and I think that this is an important issue for us to discuss because, I don't know, it's a conversation that's ongoing within the right and it's something that we need to actually So Monitoring Bias is somebody that I don't follow but I've seen a number of his posts and he can be very very hit and miss.
I've seen him post some information and data that was very interesting and very revealing and I've seen him in this exchange where he was not very good if I'm perfectly honest.
I never thought I would see anybody Unironically talking about the progressive bent of history.
Well part of the reason I think is, and this is something that I think you're going to get to, is what heuristic do we have for what constitutes a good life?
Is it a top-down imposition, the managing of all resources, the turning of the world into standard reserve that you can take out of its environment, put on a shelf, take back off and put elsewhere?
Or is it being embedded time, place and accepting our constraints and living within them?
This is something that we were talking about in a contemplations that me, Josh and Rory did in environmentalism.
And we said that even the rights approach to the environment, which is, okay, all we need to do is develop technologies to reduce pollution, and then we can have abundant energy.
And that still has the conceit that the making space for nature approach, which will alienate us from living in a time, place and tradition, just because it itemizes and manages everything rather than living presently within it.
And that seems to be the perspective here is, okay, if we live by numbers, then we're distant from the actual products of what we produce by our interventions.
Whereas if we live embedded and on the ground and talk about how we feel about living presently in the thing, then we're much more connected to what we end up doing.
Well, Michael Oakeshott is another thinker alongside Carlisle who's going to sort of reign over this conversation because, again, I'd come across this monitoring bias guy before, don't follow him, but he does really come across as one of Oakeshott's rationalists, you know, an F-I-F-ing love science type character.
Burke's Men of Letters.
Yeah, well not even that because... Potential real life soy Jack.
Yeah, yeah.
The interesting thing, because Carlisle actually disagrees with Burke about Men of Letters.
He says that Men of Letters are actually an important and essential component of a movement.
Well a Men of Letter doesn't need to be irrational.
No, that's right.
Lyle himself and Burke would both be considered men of letters.
Yeah, absolutely.
So I think just dismissing them outright.
But they can be when they're in the revolutionary tradition.
Also, dismissing all forms of rationalism, dismissing all forms of data retrieval is also very silly because you can use these things to get a good understanding of the world around you.
But the problem is when you use only statistics and only data to understand the world without going out and seeing the actual conditions that people live in.
When you're commanded to ignore the patterns that you personally notice because there's a number in front of you.
For instance, a recent statistic that I saw when Callum was covering it on the podcast was that I believe, don't worry guys, house prices have finally gone down for the first time in years by 0.1%.
We're saved.
Fantastic.
So if I plotted that on a graph and you're looking at it from a buyer's perspective, this is a positive trend.
This is a new positive trend.
If you go out into the world and see whether people are actually able to buy houses or not.
And to be fair, you can gather information on this as well.
It still doesn't look that great.
No, it doesn't.
And on the topic of the actual conditions that people are living in, we're going to go through this exchange just briefly because the two positions being represented are, I think, again, just really important to discuss.
So Carl says, Rich men north of Richmond hits all the right beats about the current state of the modern world.
Everything is indeed in decline.
Our money is worth less and everyone has less of it, even while they're working harder than ever.
The rich people in charge think that normal folk don't understand that the rich are purposefully ruining their country, that people are completely aware, they just don't know what to do about it and it's making them feel the way the tone of the song conveys.
The people in charge are obsessed with data because they do want total control.
They want to use their mastery of technology to leave nothing outside of their perception.
Who doesn't have an old soul that misses the old world where your thoughts were your own?
They can see that lazy moochers and victim interest groups are raised above the concerns of the regular folk and that there is an injustice contained in such a state of affairs.
What else is there to do but drown your sorrows to forget your woes?
The rich men north of Richmond just expect them to carry this burden and accept their place at the bottom of the At the bottom as the world around them grows worse and any light that might make the future look bright grows dim.
It's no wonder such a soulful song would be a viral sensation in times like this.
Things are bleak and it's evident who is behind it and that they aren't going to get any better anytime soon.
That's quite a nice summation of it.
Before we go into any other details, I just want to clear something up because I don't think we've spoken about this song on the account, on the website.
I was going to ask you guys what you thought of it, yeah.
And I just wanted to say I understand that it's a little bit polarised for people.
Obviously, it's become somewhat of a viral sensation.
Hey, there's Oron.
Nice to see him there.
Good on Calvin.
He enjoys it.
Calvin enjoys it as well.
That's really good to see the support.
Some people don't like this style of music, this kind of very simple bluegrass country style.
I really like the song.
I think there is something to be said for a simple four chord song with a soulful lyric and a catchy melody over the top of it.
And I know some people also don't like the country twang that he affects in his voice.
I would imagine given that this appears to be Appalachia, where he's performing from, this might just be his accent and how he speaks.
There's a wonderful authenticity to it that I appreciate and it's nice to hear a song in this style which is supposed to be conveying the authentic emotions of the average man that actually is conveying the emotions of the average man because there's this thing called bro country or mainstream country which is just Shiny production, talking about, I'm gonna drink my beers, I'm gonna drive my truck.
No, that's not what it is.
It's basically like Yellowstone conservatism.
Yeah.
Oh God, yeah.
That's not what it should be.
Yeah, but back to Schmidt, like, you know, the right just needs to understand, friend, enemy, we gain nothing for putting this guy down.
He's saying things that we all agree with, and it's a popular song, people are liking it, it's resonating.
Let's just take the win.
He's reading Bible verses at the opening of his performance.
Exactly.
Good man.
Exactly.
On to the exchange then.
So, uh, this Monitoring Bias chap replies.
Sorry guys.
Never trust a northerner with tech.
Anyway, sorry.
So, he fires back with, everything is indeed in decline.
LMAO.
In the US, wages are now rising faster than inflation and the unemployment rate is 3.5.
Inflation is a relative rate of change metric, so it's slightly less worse than it was progressing last year, but it's still worse.
There is a reason why Bill Gates has, on his shelf, How to Lie with Statistics as one of his favourite books.
Because the elite manipulate numbers to lie to you, and you've fallen for it, you midwit.
This is the kind of guy who would go, but look at the GDP though, and ignore that GDP also takes in government spending, which isn't any marker of productivity whatsoever.
We'll get to that.
We'll get to that.
But the government threw three trillion dollars into the ocean and that went on their expense account, so GDP went up this year, guys.
But it's just, I mean, again, you know, Carl, you know, every word is symphony as far as I'm concerned with what he said.
And then this guy just fires back with, aren't you aware that the unemployment rate is 3.5?
But look at this graph, and graphs can be great and graphs can be useful.
Alright, nickelback.
Well, once again it would be hypocritical of us to say otherwise because oftentimes we use data and statistics when we're looking at figures surrounding migration.
But you always have to be careful when you look into who's collecting these statistics and how are they using the statistics.
Are they leaving figures out?
Like we always talk about the employment rate in the UK is said to be at record lows because We've got just so many people employed and so many jobs that need to be filled, that's why we need to bring in all of these migrants.
Where we don't realize, or at least most people don't realize, that the employment figures leave out economic inactivity of people who are in university, people who are taking early retirements, people who are on benefits and other such things.
So there are a lot of people who aren't in work in the UK who could be working but aren't factored in so that the government can manufacture consent for migration.
So it's really important if you're going to use statistics to look properly into these statistics.
Absolutely.
So Carl comes back with, again, representing the Carlisle position.
Just look around you, man.
Yeah.
And Manchester's an incredibly rich city.
Who cares if there's crack addicts smoking crack in the middle of the street?
So this monitoring bias chap comes back with, I prefer the actual data to your look around you man approach to economic analysis.
So again, it's just the same argument.
Okay, so what this graph that he's showing shows us is that earnings took a massive dip And inflation did this massively over, but now because this is happening, we're supposed to be happy.
So what this is showing to me is that for this entire period here, we had a period of insane inflation where it will probably take years, years and years of this shrinking and shrinking and shrinking and wages going up and up and up for us to even catch up to what the wage to inflation rates would have been previous to the COVID period.
Do you want to be even more upset?
The reason that they're shrinking is because they keep taking goods out of the basket that allows them to calculate the average.
So I believe in America, they actually took house prices out of the basket.
And over in the UK, when I think it was May, when they said, oh, inflation has fallen by about 3% this time last year.
It's because they put the energy price cap guarantee in.
So we're paying to keep the energy prices at the rate that they are in tax.
We're still paying for it.
But just compared to this time last year, when they were really high and rising, It's a lot less.
So they're just manipulating the stuff.
You might prove anything by figures.
But just to put it in more concrete terms, say you like a Twix.
Do they get Twixes in America?
I've no idea.
Twix is a lovely chocolate bar.
They're very nice.
I enjoy a Twix every now and again if I'm feeling cheeky.
Say you've got a Twix and you want to buy a Twix and the Twix has gone up maybe 50% in price.
So that's gone up 50% in price over the past few years and your wages have stagnated.
But now your wages have gone up 0.05% while the Twix is still, on average, inflating.
I'm still spending far more per Twix than I was before and earning Only a little bit more, and even then my wages are worth less than they were a few years ago.
But according to this chart, that means that that's a good thing.
Which means that years from now, my wages might catch up to where a Twix would cost in real terms the same as it did a few years ago.
But in that time, inflation is still happening.
Indeed.
There we are.
So Karl says that he's speaking about observable reality and that Monitoring Bias is speaking about abstractions.
Who cares what the unemployment rate is if people are struggling to get by when they have a job?
Who cares about the hourly earnings?
Who cares what the hourly earnings are if they can hardly afford rent?
The world is decaying around us.
There is no refuge to be found in data.
We can see the decrepit nature of the buildings, the disgusting nature of the streets, the moral failings of the people, and the lies of the elite.
The West is falling apart.
This is something important that we were discussing off air.
And this is what is going to be remembered as well.
Because during the industrial age, this is always the point that people talk about, oh, the bar of progress has gone since the industrial age of where people were subsisting on less than a dollar a day and now 80% of that poverty has been eliminated.
Okay.
But what is the memory of the Industrial Age?
It is the narratives that came out of it.
It's the narratives that, frankly, Marx and Engels put in Conditions of the Working Class in England and in Capital, and even in Orwell's Road to Wigan Pier, where the woman is sticking a stick up a foul drainpipe, or a mother is sedating her baby as it's in the factory with her, with opiates.
Or even in Blake's London, where the smogs and chimney sweeps, chimney stacks, are just oppressive and they're filling the sky with miasma.
And so that's what is the driving force for change.
This is why Oliver Twist, Charles Dickens' novels, and Bleak House as well, their depictions of the workhouses and the Chancery Courts led to poor law reform and the consolidation of the courts into a more streamlined system that allowed people to get redress rather than having their inheritances burned up while it's being contested.
So these statistics, these graphs, these figures, yes, they might be useful policy analysts in the moment, but it's actually the emotive power of how people feel in a time and place that is the real driver of substantial change.
And this is exactly the point that Carlisle makes in this essay, Statistics.
He says that, you know, the reign of quantity idea, looking at mere quantity, numbers, things that can be expressed in statistics, it almost doesn't matter in a way.
Because it doesn't get at the quality of the thing.
It doesn't get at the quality of the city, for example.
Where, you know, there is just, you know, the buildings are decrepit and the people are They look sullen and heavy and as if they have a great burden on them.
You can't express that in numbers, you know, the quantitative language of science.
Well, even if you wanted to equate it into numbers, I think this Jesse person who commented underneath it Brings up a good point.
Is this one of those inflation charts where they exclude unimportant things like houses, cars, and food?
I've never made so much money and been able to afford so little.
I could not even buy the house I live in if I had to purchase it at its current value.
Many such cases.
My parents and other people their age and people like them bought their houses for, you know, it would have been new builds back in the late 1990s.
So this would have been maybe 80, 90 thousand pounds and their next-door neighbors are now looking to sell their house, which would have cost them about that much for about four hundred and fifty thousand pounds.
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
I mean, the house hasn't changed.
It's still the same structure it was.
It's a bit different on the inside because they decorated it.
It's still the same size garden.
The neighborhood's pretty much the same.
There's a bit less countryside next to it because we built more housing estate since then.
But the price is more than doubled.
I'm told something happened.
Something happened in the late 90s?
Something might have happened.
Tom Harwood will get round to it one day, I'm sure.
So, yeah, on to the next response then.
So, never respond to an empirical claim made by a trad account with population level data because data are abstractions and definitely not observable reality.
Sorry, is he calling Karl a trad account?
Yeah.
No.
He's got some trad-ish tendencies.
He's a post-modern traditionalist.
He's not a trad account.
I still don't know what half of these bloody terms mean nowadays.
So it's far better to rely upon one's lived experience or culture war groupthink, or the tweeted personal anecdotes being algorithmically fed to you, or better yet, on vibe, which are of course, as any social scientist will tell you, the leading indicators of observable reality.
Well, I mean, if you get a feel for the atmosphere of a place, that's all of your senses taking in the observable reality at once.
We spoke about Schmidt in the first segment.
This is it.
This is putting things beyond political reproach.
This is just saying this is the trajectory of progress.
This is the trajectory of travel.
And Carl is saying what you're doing by not observing the on-the-ground reality and just falling back on numbers is you're blind to the existential threats that are emerging from the midst which, I mean, Schmitt phrased it as the Antichrist.
Carl's saying this is going to disintegrate the social texture and therefore the prosperity on which it rests of your civilization while you look at your spreadsheet and try and convince yourself that things are still going okay.
You cannot put things in a category that are beyond debate or criticism because then you are blind to the errors that will undo everything you want.
Well, this is just the classic Tony Blair thing of, well, globalization is inevitable.
Yeah.
It's like the change of seasons.
Yeah.
That's the one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, no, it's not.
It was a choice.
It was a specific political choice made by his administration, um, that we are living the consequences of it.
I mean it was also just a logical follow-up of what Thatcher had done to the economy as well and able to do international investment.
So he finishes, you see data won't give you the kind of insight into civilizational decline that a good firm set of beliefs can provide.
These people are religionists filled with a deep sense of doom.
The unmistakable arc of human progress is totally lost on them.
That was the most disappointing thing that I saw.
The unmistakable arc of human progress.
Okay.
Well, I mean, if we're going by pure numbers, I suppose increase in crime rates, that's progress of a sort.
Increase in rape, that's a progress of a sort, I suppose.
So if you're going purely by number go up equal good thing, Yeah, there are plenty of things happening in Western civilization right now that are good.
Also, the idea of calling other people religionists.
I'm sorry to break this to you.
This is something that a lot of scientists do recognize and need to recognize, which is that there is a good deal of faith that goes into accepting the conclusions of any science in the first place.
Because what you are doing, you're taking the faith claim that the scientist who collected all of this data is one, taken in the data on good faith, and two, presenting you the data in good faith and not added his own personal biases to it.
So there's a great deal of faith that goes into this.
We'll also see the religion of science that Sam Harris has fallen under the spell of.
But you reminded me of a great example before I stopped the railing of your segment, which is Steven Pinker's Better Angels of Our Nature.
It's the perfect exercise in manipulating data.
It's gonna come up, it's gonna come up later.
Oh, is it?
Brilliant.
Okay, do you reach the same conclusion where essentially he decides to say, well, a reduction in violence shows moral progress?
And it's like, right, so if you look at the fascist states of 1930s Germany, does that mean they're better because they got rid of more crime, mate?
Because that might not be the conclusion you're reaching in life.
On a certain metric, they were safe to live in.
We might want to value other metrics in that case, I think.
Indeed.
Also, he was cherry-picking a lot of his data points.
Yeah, he also suggested the novel led to a leap in moral improvement, and that's why we also- He also completely ignores the development of medical technology, which means that violent attacks are now on average less fatal than they were back in the times where he was taking a lot of his medieval data from.
If you got stabbed in the 1200s, you had a hell of a lot less likely chance of surviving than if you get stabbed now.
And also the rates of data collection and storage and the literacy rates that criminals would have versus the regular population.
So maybe they wouldn't have been able to read Jane Austen and Charles Dickens, which build them all with warm and fuzzy inside sentiments to stop them just mindlessly stabbing people, I suppose.
Also, Steven Pinker danced in a really cringe way when Donald Trump lost the 2020 election, but we could dunk on Steven Pinker for hours, but thank you at least for the blank slate.
Anyway, so we'll move on, but you've raised, both of you, some very important points there.
So first of all, I want to point you towards this article that Karl wrote because it basically sums up his point, which is that the decline, you can feel it when you walk through the streets.
You can't prove a spiritual malaise with statistics.
But it's tangible.
Yeah, but when you go to Swindon Town Centre and you breathe in, you look around and you just think, wow.
We used to be a good country.
I smell pigeon powder.
Is that open sewage?
Surrounded by Moroccans.
Right.
But again, like the point of like sensory, um, you know, getting a sense of the thing is really important because, you know, you walk through the streets of anywhere, you can smell the weed, you can smell the sewage, you can see the boarded up shops and so on.
You go to a lovely little isolated town in the countryside and breathe it in, you can smell the fresh air and how open and natural everything is.
For now, yeah.
Don't say for now, please.
I'm trying to be positive.
Yes, indeed.
But you talked about faith there and about how even the scientism position is built on faith.
And a discussion that I want us to have here, briefly, is about basically the argument that all political beliefs and all beliefs and behavior in general is human behavior, human beliefs.
It's just fundamentally irrational.
But we have this deep need to rationalize it after the fact.
And that political positions are essentially built on myths, not facts.
And that most people, when you present them with so-called facts or statistics and so on, they will just dismiss them because of where they came from, who collected them, and just look for data that supports their own position.
This is almost Height's idea.
That's exactly right.
Most things are post-rationalizations.
You can actually invert Carol Hanisch's feminist tract that says the person was political.
No, actually most politics are downstream of personality.
Yes.
And most people are just looking to the data and whatever misrepresented statistic they can find, because they're only half literate and aren't reading meta-analyses anyway, to try and buttress their pre-existing point.
They're just trying to beat you over the head into a conclusion that they hope you are going to be gaslit into thinking is inevitable.
Yeah.
I mean, I tend to think that statistics, in the final analysis, the function of statistics in politics, is essentially, they're just essentially a weapon that you use to attack another person's belief system.
Because, I don't know, you can make an appeal to truth and an appeal to reality when you're trying to take somebody else down, but your beliefs, fundamentally, I think are built on, again, what Pareto would call sentiments.
You know, these things that you don't have rational control over.
These are things that normal and sensible people believe.
Yes.
First, generally how you view your own beliefs.
Instincts.
Yeah, just instincts.
It's the kind of thing we've been stripped of from the education system that C.S.
Lewis criticized the Green Book for at the start of The Abolition of Man, of where if they can get you to believe that everything you feel about the natural world, that the natural world actually conjures up from within you as a shared human experience, it's just your artificial projection on the natural world, then they can substitute that with the sentiment that they would prefer you to have.
They can steward you towards their preferred utopia.
Again, it's just gaslighting.
That's all it is.
Exactly right.
And on gaslighting, I think, you know, what Carlisle addressed in Chartism and in this essay Statistics is what he called the Condition of England question.
This was a big debate that was happening at the time about the effect of the Industrial Revolution on the working class of England.
And how, again, all the statistics were saying that things can only get better.
But actually, again, the actual lived reality on the ground was that things were getting worse.
And as you say, the actual qualitative data we have, stories and anecdotes and so on, from that time suggests exactly that.
That it was a bad time, you know, for the working classes.
And I think that we have a version of the condition of England question confronting us today.
But instead of being the industrial revolution, it's the kind of the globalist revolution, if you want, and specifically mass immigration and the effect that that's having on our country.
Because again, we're told by the powers that be that these are all only ever net positives because line go up.
But actually we see, yeah.
Can only get better.
I can see how you were kicked out of your band.
I wasn't the singer.
Probably a smart choice.
But we see, we walk around the streets, we all recognize that things are getting worse.
Everybody knows this.
Again, Karl in his article, The Decline, he says about how he speaks to people, you know, taxi drivers and so on, and says, you know, how do you, in general, not prompting them in any particular way, how do you think things are going at the moment?
And almost all the time they will say, well, things are going down.
And I've had the same experience.
Outpouring of misery.
Yeah.
All the foreign taxi drivers are like, I came, I came to work in England.
I'm not in England.
It's mainly Nigerian dads and, and sort of Gen X boomer working class white guys that unanimously say Sadiq Khan's ruining London.
Everything's really expensive and they're coming out with all this.
And stop voting for him.
But they're mainly not though.
They're not.
It's, you know, which constituencies are mainly voting for Sadiq Khan.
It's why he wants to import more of them.
Hmm.
Yeah, that's not a threat to democracy.
No, but to anchor it back to the point, it's that you can only take a perspective on the Industrial Revolution being an unmitigated good if you consider all of those anecdotes from those poor people as cannon fodder necessary for progress.
So you can have absolutely no complaint about the state of your civilization while the international managerial class are bussing millions of people from the third world in to create a homogenous state at the moment.
Because if you take that perspective on the past, then you are just more cannon fodder for the utopia they're trying to institute.
So actually, yeah, you do have to talk about, on the ground, how you feel about your place in history and how it is not determined according to the globalist trajectory.
And this is where Oakshot comes in, because the actual form of the Condition of England question in the Victorian era and today is the same.
It's the elite are telling us something, appealing to statistics, but we, the people, can see that what they're saying is not true.
And that, I think, we can put down to, essentially, rationalism.
What we today call managerialism.
This attitude that The only knowledge that matters is that which can be expressed in the quantitative language of science.
Technical.
Yeah, technical knowledge.
And that practical knowledge, i.e.
knowledge that can't be written in a book and expressed in language.
Something that's about the feel of the thing, the experience of the thing.
Something that takes time to cultivate.
The kind you get driving around London and just looking at it as a cab driver.
None of that's real, doesn't exist.
I'm going to take a different tact on this to speak for the members of our audience who are presumably screaming right now and say that were it not that our leaders and those in charge of the scientific professions were spiteful mutants and instead incredibly based and used rationalistic methods to actually follow the data to the conclusions that it actually leads to rather than to justify their lefty gay predispositions
then science could and would be an incredible force for good that could take us to the base stars and we could have the hitchens uh britocracy up on mars you'd still be alienated from the land which you've micromanaged it would come with its own problems
but if we had people who actually cared about the scientific method and believed in the conclusions that a lot of uncomfortable science and uncomfortable elements of science lead you to then we could find ourselves in a good position Better position, but not the perfect one.
So we need to beware... Not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, my friend.
Yes, but the technical knowledge mindset that has infected the managers is the idea that they can steward us to perfection if only they get the right data.
So we need to err away from that.
I agree with you, Connor.
Sorry, Harry.
I see what you're saying.
That's absolutely fine.
It's a good point.
I'm just saying, if we had based science instead of cringe science that we have right now, then we could do many good things.
And I agree that it would be better, but again, ultimately it does come down... I'm not giving up toothpaste, I'm sorry.
Fair enough.
Probably got fluoride in it.
I use non-fluoride toothpaste.
But you imagine, you know, the based sort of scientific rulers that you're talking about, it still won't have been the science, looking at the science, that will have had them arrive at the positions they did.
Do you not look at the Imperium, Warhammer, and think, God, that would be so cool?
Well, yeah, yes, again, but the point is not, it comes down to the individual people occupying the positions of power.
The science doesn't matter.
We're really running over time and I'm just thinking we need to get to my segment, so I don't mean to derail too badly.
That's alright, we'll spin on.
But I think the point is, what matters, again back to Schmidt, is the individual people occupying the positions of power.
The science is neither here nor there.
But anyway, I think that the point that this is all driving at is the idea of lived experience.
Because Mr. Monitoring Bias, he says that lived experience is a BS metric that doesn't matter.
But actually, what Carlisle is talking about in Chartism, and what you were talking about when you were appealing to the sort of Dickensian vision of Victorian England, That is lived experience.
That's the lived experience of the English community.
And I don't think we should give that concept up to the left because the constituencies that they appeal to when they talk about lived experience are completely meaningless.
Like the LGBT community.
The black community.
These are just mindless categoricals.
Whereas the English community, that's a category that actually has some moral and what would you say?
They're situated in the time and place and therefore have legitimacy.
Exactly.
We point to them.
Yeah.
We occupy a geographical space.
We share a history.
We share a language.
And fundamentally, we share an experience.
The English way of life is a thing.
It's a distinct thing that exists in the world.
And if we can't look at the experience, the lived experience of the English community and derive conclusions about what we should do, Well, what are we going to do?
Where do we get our conclusions from, if not that?
Anyway, I think we can leave it there, because we are running over time.
But the point is, statistics are not the whole story, and you shouldn't rely on these kind of rationalistic methods.
And actually, an aesthetic qualitative experience is the best place to derive your conclusions about the world from.
All right, okay.
I'll try and get through this one.
We'll just have to run over a little bit.
Yeah, we'll have to run over a little bit, but I'll try and get through this one relatively quickly in that case.
So, what do you guys think British identity is?
Because I, for one, think that it's nothing to do with your heritage, your background, how long your family's been here, or your values, or culture, or anything like that.
I think it's bowing down and praising and worshipping our beautiful, big old NHS.
Well, for the last four years, I lived in Runnymede, so where Magna Carta was signed.
And there was a mural put up in 2015, 800 years of Magna Carta, celebrating British values.
Do you want to know what they were?
They were democracy, inclusion, diversity.
What else?
Tolerance.
Because the Magna Carta was signed in the name of democracy, if I remember correctly.
No, wait, no, actually, no.
That was almost exactly the words of Suella Braverman and Michael Gove at the National Conservative Conference.
The other thing that I was going to say that I've now immediately forgotten, so you can continue.
Okay, that's absolutely fine.
So I think it's relevant to point you all to a rather old article at this point, it's over a year old, but as relevant as ever.
Which is, in fact, actually it's over two years old at this point.
Bloody hell.
So it's from Rory, who is our editor and a great chap, writing about how despite its virtues, it's time to let the NHS die.
At this point, I would ask, what virtues?
But I understand that he was taking a somewhat more fair track than I would.
I believe this is one that you can read for free, but it does have a audio version if you want to subscribe to our Silvertier, where you're able to listen to all of the audio versions narrated by the wonderful John Crowe.
I now remember what I was going to say.
The NHS itself is actually a symbol of British decline, because the reason the NHS exists is because we petitioned the Americans for the funding for it, and at the time the Americans said, okay, well if you can sell off parts of the Empire, like Palestine, so we can deal with the current post-war refugee problem, then you can have the money as part of the Marshall Plan to set up the NHS.
So actually the British Empire was discontinued to set up the NHS.
So I hate it even more.
Yes, but to the central theme of this segment that we're doing right now, I would think it's important to draw everybody's attention to something that is glaringly obvious, which is that our leaders not only are terribly short, apologies, although to be fair I don't even need to point to that picture.
Look at that manlet!
It's barely the size of Kimmy Badenault.
So, um, they are not exactly representative of the British population because we currently have a Prime Minister in England who is of Indian-Hindu origin, and in Scotland they have a First Minister who is of Pakistani origin, so Hindustan, Pakistan will eventually come clashing again, just in a completely different geographic location.
London as well.
It's only a matter of time.
Oh yeah, I mean, we've already seen the streets of Leicester.
Well, Sadiq Khan.
Sadiq Khan as well.
Pakistan.
So, you know, we've got Creator Clash for YouTube as I think we need some kind of similar boxing event for Rishi Sunak versus Sadiq Khan.
Who really rules the roost in London?
That's the question.
They're in the same midget weight class.
Yeah, they actually are as well.
So this is back from 2022, September last year, talking about America looking over and going, The Conservatives sure are diverse, aren't they?
Yes, this is not a good thing.
Britain needed a new Prime Minister because it was so fed up with Boris Johnson, so fed up in fact that the next Prime Minister may look nothing like Johnson, that is white, male and privately educated.
No, what happened was the insiders of the Tory party who are eligible to vote for this did not vote for Rishi Sunak, they voted for Liz Truss who was so against the regime in that she wanted to minorly lower taxes They decided to manufacture a gigantic economic crash so that they could instead put in the establishment choice, which was Rishi Sunak, the whole time.
And yeah, people don't want Rishi.
People don't like Rishi.
He was imposed on us.
He was basically the colonial choice for, I think I saw someone earlier describing him as the Indian viceroy.
Of Britain.
That's what we've got.
And every single time you see any photograph with him, once again, not a particularly imposing figure.
But earlier on this year, they decided to stand him next to the tallest MP in Britain, who, to be fair, is six foot nine.
But you end up with this, where Rishi Sunak somehow manages to look like a cardboard cutout of himself.
It's very difficult to even get both of them in properly in the picture at the same time.
And look at that.
Look at that!
We are being humiliated on a daily basis by having this midget as our leader.
For goodness sake!
He's the only politician in the world who could occupy the highest office in the land and still get a left swipe on Tinder.
I suppose so, but seriously, Peter Dinklage could tower over this man, really.
And one of the interesting things that happened the other day is that in the UK, some elements of the British community were celebrating Indian Independence Day.
Right, so more of the demise of the Empire.
Yes, the demise of the Empire because that was a big hit to the British Empire because India was one of our largest territories and one that we'd been administering for a few hundred years in the mid-20th century when we eventually lost it.
Yeah, sorry about stopping all the bride burning.
Yes, and Rishi Sunak decided to go to a to greet a crowd at the, let me see, Cambridge University on Tuesday on Indian Independence Day, where he said that he was not there as Prime Minister, but as Hindu.
Now, Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like somewhat split allegiances for a Prime Minister of Britain to have, that he is celebrating a historic defeat of the British Empire, but also by his native culture.
Also a religion which institutes a political caste system which is totally anathema to the British political system.
Like, this is what David Starkey was called racist for saying when he said, our current Prime Minister is outside of the constitutional and historical tradition of Britain.
It's like, yeah, because he doesn't share its religional customs, frankly.
I mean, we sidelined Catholics for less.
That was your first mistake.
Maybe it was.
I think we're doing better under the Stuarts at this point, but there's clear dual loyalty going on here because he finds himself split between two worlds.
Let's not forget that he was, what was it, living in America and working for Goldman Sachs before he came to Britain.
He has no allegiance to this country.
He was still applying for US citizenship while considering running for prime minister.
Yes.
Reassuring, isn't it?
Well, he's a man from anywhere.
He has no ties to this country beyond seeing as an economic zone where he can bring in hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of his fellow Indian citizens to come over here so that they can also take advantage of this economic zone for as long as it lasts before the collapse, which is inevitable, but maybe not in our of his fellow Indian citizens to come over here so that So here's the article talking about it that just goes on.
He added how a golden Ganesha sits gleefully on his desk at 10 Downing Street.
Gleefully?
It's like he knows it's wrong.
How delightful!
Very different to President Trump, who had a bust of Churchill in the Oval Office.
Like, when the fact of our former colony is more patriotic than our current Prime Minister is, we're in dire straits.
And it wasn't just Rishi, either.
All of the Indians that we've imported decided to go around London on their motorbikes, because they're all delivery drivers.
For our audio listeners, Harry's not exaggerating.
Every single one of them has a pizza delivery box on the back of their motorbike, and they're all flying Indian flags.
So either this is something that they all set up so that they could celebrate Indian Independence Day together, or there's one really fat hungry guy who's waiting for his dozens and dozens and dozens of pizzas.
Either way, everyone's lunch is late.
Yes, exactly that.
And it's a fleet of them!
When did these people arrive here?
Probably yesterday.
Yeah.
How much loyalty do they have to England?
If the economic zone that is Britain was to collapse tomorrow, would they stick around to help rebuild, as we're told so often that the foreigners did after World War II, when we were 99.8% white British?
Or will they go home?
Because they have a different home to go to and leave us all in the lurch.
But Harry, who will deliver the pizzas?
I will.
I'll do it myself.
Just watch me.
I don't even need a motor.
Get me my pushbike.
I really hate this.
I've talked about this with a lot of people, this idea that British people, English people are somehow better than being a pizza delivery driver.
Oh, English people don't want to do that kind of work.
Why do you think that?
I just don't get that.
The reason there are more jobs now in demand for this is because we have more people that are ordering this stuff.
So I got invited to the Bangladeshi Caterers awards dinner thing.
Basically, it's free curry and some booze and they put on a night of entertainment that you're busy drinking and eating through.
And they give up and give a speech to, I think Paul Scully gets invited every time because he's a business minister, and they were insisting on more immigration because they were short on staff for their restaurants.
And it's like, right, but why are there restaurants?
Because you keep importing Bangladeshi people over that only eat at the Bangladeshi restaurants, which means that you're manufacturing consent for increased demand for the restaurant, which means you need more chefs.
But the line goes up.
The line goes up.
Does the money go back into the community?
No, it basically just circles around the Bangladeshi community and doesn't benefit anyone of native British descent.
But a line somewhere has gone up and that brings a tear to a financial manager's eye.
It's my blood pressure.
That's what's going on.
Yeah.
You see all those, uh, adverts in London as well on the tube and all that about these services that allow you to send money overseas.
And it's just like, just, just say it.
Just come out and say it.
Just come out and say it.
But then they turn around and say they're just as British as us.
They have a passport.
They're just as loyal to Britain as we are, which is obviously wrong.
Every single one of these people understands that they enjoy legal protections that native English, Scottish and Welsh people do not.
Their entire identity within this country is set up oppositionally to ours, and whether they understand it explicitly, they operate from that assumption implicitly.
Every single one of them knows that they can just pack up tomorrow and go home if this country collapses, whereas we cannot.
We might be able to apply for American citizenship, but their southern border might just burst any day now, so I don't know how much of a great idea that is.
You left Northern Irish out of that, by the way, so I'd avoid bins and parked cars on your way home.
True.
But speaking of our foreign leaders, let's see what the First Minister of Scotland, Hamza Yousaf, has been up to recently.
Well, he released a Guardian article the other day, a column.
He can write?
I know, I'm surprised he could read.
But saying, misogynists like Andrew Tate hold sway over thousands of men and boys.
Male leaders like me must address that now.
Male leaders like Hamza Yousaf?
Can we just hard cut to that video of him falling off the scooter face first?
Yes, we can.
For full disclosure, I had no idea that was going to happen.
That was good comedic timing there.
Very good.
Yes we can.
So you guys might not like it, but this is peak masculinity.
Let's just see that once more.
Just a few more times, I think.
Can we edit the Mario Kart banana?
I've seen that edit a few times.
It's nice that the guy next to him was running along with crutches though, prepared for this eventuality.
Yeah, you're right!
He's the one who set it up.
It was me.
Find this man.
Give him a medal.
I did it!
But let's see what this article says and can you can you give me a little indication of what your guess is for the actual contents of this article?
Not really because I'm surprised he's not pro-take because they're both Islamists.
That is the interesting thing about the Hamza Yousef's and the Steak Khan's is they're very, I mean, Yeah, at once self-proclaimed Muslims and also, I mean, presumably what he's going to say in this is your sort of bargain bucket feminist talking points that we've heard millions of times over the last 25 years.
I was going to use a phrase that I won't, but will this be a women's rights for Pakistan kind of situation where it's a women's rights and progressivism over here, but in the, in the homeland, no, no, we like things just the way they are.
Thank you very much.
Is that the sort of situation that's going on right now?
So, um, he says in here, it's pretty simple.
Men have made our communities feel far too unsafe for far too many women as first minister of Scotland, but more importantly, As a father of two girls, this is not a situation I am prepared to simply accept.
I'm sure there's always an implicit, there's a voice I hear in the back of my head, it's Holmes' voice, whenever he says men, in a circumstance like this which is going quite, quite men, have made our communities feel far too unsafe.
His daughters are exceptionally safe in Rochdale.
Unfortunately, white girls are not.
Yes, I'm sure they are.
He says, let's be clear, this is not a situation unique to Scotland or the UK.
Women and girls the world over are suffering due to the actions of men.
Well see, I've looked into this quite a bit and the safety levels for girls and women in the UK Pre-1997, we're actually pretty good.
Overall, we were doing great.
You had a few outliers, but you're never going to be able to eliminate all crime.
But, something happened that led to crime rates of violent crimes and other types of physical crimes, you could say non-financial crimes, tripling.
I wonder what that was.
I wonder what that was.
I'm sure Humza will tell us later on.
And he carries on, because most of this is just him whipping himself, raking himself over the coals, saying like, oh, I'm so sad that I wasn't an ally while I was younger.
I made misogynistic jokes.
I didn't call up my friends.
I didn't go, mate!
Enough people, when I was a teenager, and he's going on about abortion rights, Roe v. Wade, education for girls in Afghanistan, for God's sake.
You can feel the Americanism here.
Why is he talking about Roe v. Wade?
You're the First Minister of Scotland.
Because did you know that to tackle violence against women and girls, we have to abort them in the womb?
Hey, great strategy.
It's the only solution.
You can't have someone rape you if you're dead.
That's going to go in Lotus Eaters out of context.
There you go!
So he carries on and says, while the influence and grip that celebrity misogynists such as Andrew Tate hold over thousands of young men and boys in Scotland should make us all uneasy, simply finger-wagging is not the answer, which is why I spent three quarters of this article finger-wagging at men.
It's our only response.
Then we will continue to fail to understand why men and young boys gravitate towards the Tates of the world, and we will fail to understand what lies behind the anger.
Now, I'm not a fan of the taits.
The taits will tell you how you're able to emotionally manipulate women into joining their seedy cam business, but they're not going to teach you how to rape women.
So he's kind of putting a false association between the two there.
Once again, I'm not a fan of the Tates.
I think there are better ways to promote masculinity to young boys and young men, but there is a reason that he is so popular, which is that he is addressing men as they want to be addressed.
He's addressing young men as they want to be addressed and not wagging the finger at them like Humza Yousafzai.
We talked about this last time, didn't we?
We talked about Tate and masculinity and so on.
If you present your average young man with the two options, so you've got Andrew Tate saying, be a warrior, have sex with loads of girls, cars, bling, money and so on.
Or you get Humza Yousaf saying, be a pathetic worm with no spine.
Do you want to hear what Humza Yousaf's advice is?
Let's hear it.
We must listen.
We must learn.
We must also demonstrate what a positive male identity looks like to young boys and other men.
So what he's saying there is, as men, we must become women.
There is not a grown man in the country today who has not been guilty of problematic behaviour.
Well, actually Harry, your solution is adopted in Iran.
What solution is that you're suggesting?
Men to become women.
Yes, actually, that's true.
That is what they do over there.
So Humza Yousaf is kind of on message there for his religion.
Inshallah, brother.
Inshallah.
Scotland has shown global leadership on a range of issues such as climate emergency.
As First Minister, I want Scotland to also lead tackling one of the root causes of gender based abuse, toxic masculinity.
But is it 2015?
To build a healthier, safer and more equal society.
So given his track record, I'm going to assume that he's just going to ban liking people like andrew tate which would be completely on point for him to be perfectly honest it would line up with everything else that he's done since becoming first minister and since before he was first minister as well completely useless pathetic man and just just one more beautiful I mean, if nothing else, that article shows that, because I don't think he believes a single word of what he said there, but he's very good at the sort of regime duck speak.
Very good at it.
Yeah, absolutely he is.
And there was more that I was going to go over, but honestly, we don't really have that much time and I'd like to go over the video comments.
And so I'll have to cut this as a very short segment for everybody watching at home, but I will follow up with the other information that I was going to go over probably in the weekend.
So you've just lest everyone was a really bad taste in their mouth.
Listening to Hamza Yusuf saying about... This isn't a bad taste in the mouth!
Look at this!
This is comedy gold!
This puts a smile on my face.
True, I bet he has a great taste in his mouth for that linoleum floor, so... Yep, there you go.
And with that, let's move on to the video comments, shall we?
Oh yeah, actually, bear with, Jack.
Right, I'm just gonna hold it in there and hover it, because this is really dignified.
That's fine, that's absolutely fine.
We're a professional setup here, folks.
Never forget that.
Okay.
I read it.
Not sure if I still believe it.
Man spiked Dates drinks with Viagra.
Because he was worried they had a penis.
Is that where we are now?
Yes.
I mean, there is a certain twisted logic to it in today's climate.
But you can tell.
Like, you can tell.
Are you suggesting there's phenotypical differences between men and women?
I'm suggesting if the Adam's apple is bulging out the throat of your six-foot-four date, then yeah.
Yeah, but the Viagra is just to make sure if you catch any other bulges.
Do you see Alex Jones praising Blaire White extensively?
As someone who's interviewed Blaire White, what did you think?
I have also seen many clips of Alex Jones vehemently denying ever having watched trans pornography in the past.
So that was very interesting.
I mean, in his defense, he has admitted to being retarded.
I like Alex Jones, but he misses the mark on a few subjects here and there.
Although there's still classic, there's still wonderful compilations of his, what was it, when he was in court and they said, you've spread conspiracy theories regarding pedophile rings running the world.
What, you mean like Jeffrey Epstein?
Have you heard about his defense as to why he showed up late to his divorce hearing?
Go on.
He said, I ate a big bowl of chili yesterday.
He looks like he would as well.
Right, let's read some of the comments then.
So, Null Null says, Always nice to see Charlie again.
Appreciate he is now a regular addition to the Lotus Eaters.
Cheers.
We appreciate it as well.
Thank you for coming on.
Alexander Dake says, Harry, excellent appearance on Oron McIntyre's podcast yesterday.
Hope you two get together again in the future.
Thank you very much.
I really enjoyed it.
Oron's a great guy.
So, if you've not watched that, you can find it on Oron McIntyre's YouTube channel.
Please watch it.
I think it was a good chat.
So, for the first segment, the letter M is for blank, says, remember kids, it's only democracy if you win.
Yes.
Pretty much.
Sophie Liv, just a reminder the Nazis pressured people into supporting the party by asking, you're not a fascist are you?
Did they actually?
I've not heard that before.
People were so afraid of being called a fascist, even back then, that they would rather be a Nazi.
And even doing Mao, the big thing to take people down was, you're not far right, are you?
I think you're far right.
And if you watch the book club that I did with Callum about the Cultural Revolution, there's a great excerpt that Callum went through there where After a lot of his economic policies started to fail, Mao turned around and said, I am now a rightist.
We need to eliminate the far left subversives in our party.
Oh, fantastic.
This tactic is as old as the first cultural revolution, the Bolsheviks too.
Are you far right?
Do you go against our doctrine?
Don't you believe in the cause?
Here's a bullet to your head.
Or an ice pick.
In fact, I didn't know about that thing with the Nazis at first, but I do know that fascism only really began to be associated with National Socialism.
After the two of them aligned in the outbreak.
They are distinct ideologies.
Well fascism originally didn't even have a racial component until it was encouraged.
They actually took in Jews who were escaping from Germany in the mid 1930s.
Very interesting.
Mussolini also said that it was like all the race stuff was just bollocks basically.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay.
External guy that started talking about the Nephilim and how they were the ancestral people of Italy and that and Mussolini was like what?
It is funny that in Fascism Viewed from the Right, Evola talks about how annoyed he was that Mussolini, after speaking with Hitler, and Hitler as well, started to talk about the purity of the Aryan race, and Evola's just like, we're Mediterranean, what the hell are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Omar Awad says, tell me you don't believe in democracy and your ideas are crap without saying it beats political opponents.
Lord Nerevar, he who makes peaceful protest impossible makes violent revolution inevitable.
The German government think that by banning the AFD they're protecting some preconceived notion of democracy, but in reality they seem to only be openly defying the wishes of the electorate.
This doesn't end well.
What they're doing is they're just saying that, no, you're not allowed a place at the table.
That's what it is.
Their preconceived notion of democracy has only ever been a facade, so that they are the ones who remain in power.
Can I just say, just on the AFD, from the images that we went through when you did your segment on them, they just, even just on an aesthetic level, they just look like your average kind of EU political party.
They look less people.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, just pretty normal.
Like, they're not esoteric neo-Nazi bashes.
People go a lot by aesthetics.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, the violent revolution, I mean, at the end of the day, what they're doing is they're refusing to take accountability for all of the terrible things that have happened to Germany since open borders.
So those tensions will not go away.
General Hai Ping, Chinese Internet Battalion.
We all know this is going to end with a grand boogaloo.
We're already at the point where the two political choices we are allowed to choose from are the nasty party and the right choice, with the right choice being a step further into the pits of hell.
Yeah.
Ethelstan95, so the left and their relation with national socialism is they like communism based on class, race, and sexual orientation, gender, antifa, and sex, neo-feminist.
Is this because they have continued to pretend mid-century Germans who called themselves socialists and were based on state totalitarianism are not left-wing, or because they no longer believe in states and want a borderless communist world?
I really don't like the whole Nazis were really left-wing talking points because it's just completely ineffective and not even really that true.
The Nazis didn't really fall neatly onto the left-right spectrum.
At the end of the day, I've been in arguments with people who've tried to explain to me that Hitler was woke.
Hitler was his own thing, Wout was his own thing.
Trying to conflate the two is utterly ridiculous.
It's the problem with ideologies.
I appreciate where you're coming from, but I just don't think that it really maps on.
Because realistically, at the end of the day, like fascists, they were vehement anti-communists.
Yeah, but this is the problem with ideology.
Yeah, Nazism is first and foremost a German phenomenon.
It's rooted in that particular time and place, in those particular circumstances, and woke is the same.
It's an American ideology that's been imported all over the global American empire.
At the end of the day, woke is the export of America to get your politicians to invite all of the third world population into Western cultural centers, and by there, disenfranchise the native populations.
For everything you want to say that he did that was terrible, that's not what Hitler was trying to do.
No.
So you can't call him woke, nor can you call him proto.
I just, I find that frame annoying, although I understand where it comes from.
But if you consider, they're all Gnostics.
Shut up, Lindsay.
Let's move on to the next segment.
So, about statistics.
RJ L says, data and statistics have become something of a wall that stops politicians from actually observing the human component that is detrimental to understanding the hardships of the country.
I urge you all to do a book club on Neil Postman's Technopoly.
I've been told about this.
As this was written in the 90s and predicted everything we've been going through in the last 10 years.
I've not heard of it.
I've read an extract as part of the Harvard course thing, so it might actually be worth going over at some point.
I'll take these if you want.
Yeah, go on.
The exchange between Carl and this IO guy perfectly reflects the difference between the people and the bureaucrats.
The bureaucrats use spreadsheets and statistics to keep track of their policies.
Bureaucrats only make decisions to improve their spreadsheets, not to improve the real world.
But the people live in the real world.
Yeah, spot on.
Ethelstan95, materially, we are all richer.
Cars, TVs, mobile phones, and no one truly goes hungry.
But we are spiritually poor.
Churches are empty, people lack a national identity of any kind.
Communities don't exist, and people do not know their roles within them.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, you said about Evola just now, and he talks about, I think the phrase he uses is like, bovine.
We've got bovine satisfaction, as in we're comfortable.
Or even Nietzsche's idea of the mass man who adheres to slave morality.
All he wants is his material needs met, which are obviously important, but he has no desires beyond that.
Yeah, we have nothing stopping us hooking ourselves up to the experience machine.
Yep.
So, RJL, don't forget about shrinkflation, where Twixes have gotten smaller whilst the price has gone considerably up.
We've been seeing this across the board with food, especially with chicken, where you think you're buying a plump bird, only to find out it's a quarter that of the size when cooked.
This is all true in my experience, lads.
Kevin Fox, first thing I always check when bombarded with statistics, who paid for them.
That will give you a clear indicator on how reliable those statistics are.
The one thing statistics prove convincingly is that statistics prove nothing.
Yeah, absolutely.
California refugee, my family home was $100,000 in 1999, new built.
It's now falling apart but worth around a million dollars now.
Bloody hell.
Ten times.
I mean you're in California so I mean California house prices are ridiculous from everything I've read about it.
Middle class can't afford a home in their hometowns anymore.
Property tax alone would be between 10 and 20k a year.
And yet the housing situation in most of America is still thousand times better than anything we have in the UK.
So Robert Longshore, there are three kinds of lies.
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Yep.
And California Refugee again, data can be flawed even before they try to manipulate it.
In San Francisco, how many of the 25 thefts a day do you think the store reports anymore?
Unless there is extreme violence, it's zero.
Lord Nerevar, I saw Carl's interaction on Twitter.
It's depressing how many people will gleefully accept the graph they see on the news over the observable reality around them.
As you say, Dan, the TV is a primary sense organ.
Yes.
And Arizona Desert Rat says, I find it interesting that a couple of the biggest songs are country songs.
And yes, that is how the guy really sounds.
I believe he is from Appalachia.
Yes, I believe so as well.
The last few comments that we've got here, Lord Nerevar says, I reject the notion of identity entirely at this point.
It's just irrelevant in most settings at this point and the popular obsession over it is holding back real society.
That's what the regime wants you to do.
They want you to be a dislocated individual fundable consumer unit.
No, anchor yourself in time, place, family, faith and community.
Yeah, as with lived experience, I don't think we should give the left the notion of identity because it is extremely important.
Don't become the universal man that globalism wants you to be.
You have a family, you have a history, you have a heritage, and you have a culture that you come from.
It is not wrong for you to be proud of all of that and to try and live up to the expectations that puts on you.
That doesn't mean you should go taking claim or credit for things that your ancestors did, but you should try to live up to the legacy that that puts on you.
No Bog Men.
Ever.
Although I do understand the tiring nature of it all at this point.
And LeFrancheSCharlie says, it was inevitable the UK would get conquered by its colonies.
You guys are just too nice.
It wasn't inevitable.
It's the fact that after World War II, we're basically a vassal state from the US.
So our political leaders kind of have to be the weak-willed worms who would allow it to happen in the first place.
I mean, once again, just like before we go, For God's sake, do you really think that this man is going to stand up in any meaningful way to mass immigration?
No.
This man might.
I'd like to see this man at the borders with a Claymore, but this man, no.
That's not what's going to happen.
We've gone over a little bit, but I think it was worth it.
I think that's all we've got time for.
Charlie, do you want to direct people to where they can find you?
Yep, so you can find all my work on my website, which is cfdowns.uk, and you can follow me on Twitter and elsewhere at cfdowns underscore.
Thank you very much for joining us.
Thank you for jumping onto this podcast.
I think it was very entertaining and very interesting.
And thank you very much for watching.
We'll be back again tomorrow at one o'clock.
Until then, take care.
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