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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #707

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	Music Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Low Seers for the 28th of July.
	It is July.
	2023.
	I'm joined by Carl.
	Hello.
	And Harry Miller.
	Hey!
	Good to have you back.
	Thank you very much.
	It's a joy to be here.
	Anyway, I suppose I should begin with, uh, an announcement just to make, which is the Gold Tier Zoom call.
	I believe that is out today?
	That is today.
	It is today.
	3.30 UK time.
	So if you're a Gold Tier and you'd like to, you know, use that Gold Tier subscription you paid for, uh, come and join the Zoom call.
	That's one of the perks.
	So that'll be at 3.30 UK time today.
	So after this ends, I don't know, go get some biscuits or something and come back.
	Enjoy.
	Otherwise, I suppose we shall begin with good news.
	It is!
	I know it's good news!
	So I wouldn't actually describe the collapse of Hollywood as good news, right?
	Because I have, in previous eras of my life, enjoyed movies.
	They used to be good.
	Harry, you'll remember this.
	Back in the 80s and 90s when movies weren't anti-western propaganda and were fun to watch, they were good, weren't they?
	I love the movies.
	I loved Hollywood.
	My favorite film is Zulu, which is probably the most politically incorrect choice possible because I'm a simple chap and it was dead easy to work out the goodies from the baddies.
	The goodies were wearing white helmets and the baddies were chucking spears.
	And I just absolutely love that film.
	To be honest, I kind of like Zulu for the opposite reason almost.
	Maybe this is the...
	You're going to whine about young people a minute after I say this.
	I am, yeah.
	Alright, so you know the bit just before the battle and then they fight and then afterwards they like sing to each other.
	Men of Harlech and the Zulus are chatting and whatever.
	Yeah.
	I kind of really like that it shows that both sides at least have honour as warriors.
	Oh, I agree.
	I agree.
	And this is not a commentary, of course, as to whether our British forces should have been there in the first place.
	I'm just saying as a film, it's fantastic because we have a clear demarcation between the goodies and the baddies, as far as I'm concerned.
	An interesting fact about that film Zulu, you know, the great sound that the Zulu nation make before they go to war, the stamping and all that sort of stuff.
	Um, Russell Crowe was a massive fan of that movie.
	And at the start of Gladiator, when that scene where they're going unleash hell, uh, I think they're out of the, the woods of Bavaria or somewhere on there.
	Uh, they used the set, they used, they used the soundtrack from Zulu on that film.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	As a, as a homage to it.
	Okay.
	Well, this has taken a bit of a detour.
	Yeah, sorry.
	But this actually does set the scene relatively well, because as you can tell, we're not people who despise the movies, the movie industry, the movies they produce.
	We like these things.
	Is there an anti-movie club?
	There is now, and I'm a chair of it.
	Well, it's called Hollywood, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	That's the Auntie Movie Club.
	It absolutely is.
	And that's actually what's happening.
	So you may be aware that, of course, there is a writer's strike in Hollywood, which has been nothing but an unvarnished good, uh, for the whole time.
	And the, I think they're called the Screen Actors Guild, but because I watched Team America, I want to call them the Film Actors Guild.
	Um, they're, they're on strike and.
	They're on strike being led by Adam Conover, otherwise known as Adam Ruins Everything.
	I really don't like Adam.
	Let's watch him.
	The number one question I get is how do I support writers and actors on strike?
	Do I cancel my streaming subscription?
	What do I do?
	Here's the answer.
	Neither the Writers Guild nor SAG-AFTRA is calling for a consumer boycott right now.
	Instead, we're asking people to do three things.
	One, post on social media.
	Boost our message.
	Say you stand with us.
	Number two, follow our strike rules.
	Do not do the work of a striking writer or actor.
	That's called scabbing.
	We have facts on our website that explain exactly what we're asking of non-members and what work we're asking them to refrain from.
	And finally, and most importantly, donate to the Entertainment Community Fund.
	This is an incredible non-profit that supports writers, actors, and any crew member who needs help paying their rent or their medical bills.
	Every dollar you donate there will go to a writer, actor, or other entertainment worker in need that helps us stay on this picket line longer and that helps us win.
	We are so grateful to all of you for your support.
	Thank you so much and remember, until the strike is settled, there will be no acting and no writing.
	How are we going to cope?
	Good!
	I hate everything you write and I hate every single person involved in this.
	You're insufferable leftists and I hope you go out of a job, frankly.
	I'm always sympathetic to striking people but you've got to have something to withhold from the industry to actually go on strike.
	If you don't have any talent What I'm saying is that if you read through the replies, everyone is just like, uh, screw yourself.
	Yeah, you've not been anything good for a while.
	No, and it's because you've been horrible to so many people that they're so angry at you, actually, Adam.
	And I just love the, uh, would you like to donate to a starving actor today?
	Oh yeah, there are a lot of those about, aren't there?
	The poor starving actor is terrible.
	But what about the writer, Save She-Hulk?
	Do you remember twerking She-Hulk?
	Don't you want to help that person keep their job?
	No!
	I really don't!
	Of course, we're just waiting on Gary Lineker to come out, aren't we now, and we choose to do a match of the day until the striking writers are, yeah.
	Yeah, he's like, brilliant!
	I'll give them what they're worth.
	You say that, but that might actually happen, knowing him.
	Yeah, it actually might.
	But the people at Universal Studios are like, oh, you're picking outside of our studio under the shade of the trees in the California sun.
	Not on our watch!
	So they trimmed all the trees.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I'm sure you all have a long list of complaints.
	but that just amused me.
	Hollywood's a terrible, terrible place.
	It is a horrific place where people like Harvey Weinstein prosper and lots of people who accuse them of being child traffickers get silenced.
	But anyway, this is a stuntman setting himself on fire to protest how he's been burned by studios and producers.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I'm sure you all have a long list of complaints.
	So why are they on strike?
	Well, the LA Times has got some thoughts because we've come to a point with the business of movie making where it appears that it's about to change.
	It's on an inflection point because of course, technology has continued to roll forward and being an actor hasn't changed since the 1920s.
	They, uh, they point out that this is obviously over money.
	Um, but the entire industry isn't exactly very healthy at the moment, uh, as we'll go through in a minute.
	And they've been complaining.
	Well, the, uh, the chief executives of Netflix and Disney and universal students, they still get paid millions and millions of dollars.
	Ergo, those people should be impoverished and the actors should have all the money.
	And it's like, well, that is an argument.
	But as they end this by saying the boom times are over, executives know it, Wall Street knows it.
	And the story that we are in a revolutionary moment of technological transformation will run out of gas soon.
	So the bosses are using that moment to do what Silicon Valley wound up doing when, uh, the other big swings didn't pan out.
	They squeeze labor.
	It's like they do because things are sinking.
	That's the problem.
	This is, as Quentin Tarantino puts, well, sorry, I'll get to that in a second actually.
	So this is, you know, just one of those.
	News sites for movies.
	And they think that behind the scenes, Hollywood is looking at a rocky road in 2023.
	With fear of economic recession looming, the writer's strike and viewership declining in streaming and traditional cinema industry, executives and analysts are expressing apprehension about the new year, according to Financial Times.
	The outlook of one chief executive of the media group is, quote, 2023 will be bad.
	Some companies are going to have a really, really hard time.
	Why exactly?
	Is viewership declining?
	Because the product's not good?
	Yes.
	The product's not just not good.
	No, it's the audience who are wrong, actually.
	Exactly.
	The product is not just not good.
	The product has been attacking the audience for being morally defective in some way and not delivering what they want.
	I agree entirely.
	I mean, I can't remember the last time I actually watched a proper Hollywood movie because they're all absolutely pounce on.
	Joker in 2019.
	The Joker was very, very good.
	I agree.
	I think that's probably the last one that I saw as well.
	These days I tend to, you know, unless it's got subtitles, I don't trust it these days.
	But that was four years ago.
	Like four years ago, Hollywood produced a noteworthy film.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I agree.
	There's nothing... I subscribe to Sky Movies for my sin.
	I can't remember the last time I watched anything.
	Actually, I can.
	I watched The Pope's Exorcist, starring Russell Crowe, at the weekend, and that is an hour and 40 minutes of absolute drivel.
	It's possibly the worst conceived movie of all time.
	Well, here's the thing.
	I've got Netflix, because you need something to keep on for the kids, right?
	And my wife and I, we, you know, we're like, okay, we'll sit down in the evening.
	Okay.
	Should we watch something?
	Just flick through it.
	There is nothing good here.
	And it's like, oh, this is a new thing.
	Okay.
	But it looks trash.
	The new thing.
	No, it looks rubbish.
	It's rubbish.
	It's rubbish.
	It's all rubbish.
	Nothing looks good.
	That's the thing.
	It's all just really low quality.
	But I don't think it is.
	I think if you go to the Scandi stuff, the foreign stuff, there's some really great films on there.
	I can't bring myself to say titles.
	You can't, but you are missing out.
	I know you can read.
	You can do subtitles.
	I read all day every day and when I sit down to watch a movie, I want to be able to actually turn my brain off and just enjoy the movie.
	No, you're missing out on a world out there.
	What I'm saying is if they dubbed it, I'd be fine.
	Fowder.
	Honestly, start with Fowder.
	It's about the Israeli Special Forces.
	It is the most kick-ass, non-politically correct But this speaks to a problem with Quentin Tarantino.
	I mean, don't take my word for it, right?
	There is blood and guts everywhere.
	Honestly, watch it.
	There's not that much talking.
	It's mainly killing people.
	So I recommend you ease yourself in to the glorious world of subtitles with Fowder.
	But this speaks to a problem with Quentin Tarantino.
	I mean, don't take my word for it, right?
	I mean, if Quentin Tarantino is like, this is the worst era of Hollywood ever.
	Like, I mean, okay, I've got no authority on this, but I think actually he does.
	He's right.
	I feel the 80s cinema, along with 50s, was the worst era in Hollywood history, matched only by now.
	The worst era.
	It's like, okay, fair enough.
	So, we can all see this.
	I mean, one example of this was the Indiana Jones film.
	Did anyone watch?
	I didn't even know there was one.
	Exactly.
	Why would you want to watch an 80-year-old Harrison Ford running around pretending to be Indiana Jones still, in the same outfit?
	I mean, he was bad even in the Star Wars movie.
	I don't know if you watched the scene where he's trying to run away.
	Yes.
	Well, he's 80.
	Yeah.
	And it's so obvious.
	It's just like, okay, well, it's like a Steven Seagal movie.
	Yes.
	Where he's just really fat and still pretending to be a special ops forcer.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	You know, you don't want that.
	I mean, my wife's a big fan of Harrison Ford, but I'm not a huge fan anymore.
	So I'm not going to go.
	I'm not going to go see it.
	Fan of Harrison Ford in the eighties and nineties, right?
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	When he, when he was a sex God who went around hunting, you know, poloining stolen treasures, et cetera, across the globe and killing Nazis.
	When he was an action hero.
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	Right.
	Because he was not geriatric.
	But that's the thing.
	I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say this has probably hired way too many people to make too much stuff and none of it good.
	I mean, why is this movie made?
	Of course, it's not just Harrison.
	Like, all the other people involved making it are just wasting their time.
	Well, it's not just wasting their time.
	What it shows is that they've got no ideas, right?
	And they've got no... Like, can you name a movie star who's under, say, 35?
	No.
	No.
	There are loads of actors under 35.
	Margot Robbie?
	Is she under 35?
	I don't think she is.
	It's the same with rock stars.
	I mean, I think the last rock star was Liam Gallagher.
	Quite possibly.
	In all honesty, I can't think of... I've said Noel Gallagher, but yeah, you are... Well, Noel Gallagher was... He clearly had the brains.
	He's a master.
	But he's not a rock star.
	Liam is the rock star.
	He's the angry, spitty, rude guy that's going to wreck everything and throw the TV out the window and shag his way around several continents.
	So this is the point, isn't it?
	There are no Titanic personalities anymore.
	The era of that is gone and all they're doing now Sorry, frog in my throat.
	All we're doing now is recycling the movie stars from previous eras.
	This is why Tom Cruise has done another Mission Impossible.
	This is why Harrison Ford is doing Indiana Jones now.
	It's just we have nothing that didn't come out of the 90s and early 2000s.
	That's the last of it.
	Maverick was the most successful film of last year, wasn't it?
	I believe.
	Yeah.
	Because it was, it was old school.
	It was like Top Gun reboot.
	Well, it was Top Gun rebooted.
	Absolutely fantastic.
	Yeah.
	But that's, that shows, I mean, why don't they have young guys doing films like that now?
	Why does it have to be 60 year old Tom Cruise?
	Right.
	They're, they're done.
	Right.
	And so this, this Indiana Jones film, this just remarkable to me, this even exists and who thought this was a good idea, right?
	It cost $295 million to make the Indiana 5 film, right?
	And it has taken $140 million and they think it would need to take 800 million to break even.
	And by comparison, the first film in 1981 had a budget of $20 million, probably not adjusted for inflation, but even then it's not going to be like 15 times what it was.
	And that made 400 million.
	So it's like, you can see the, the, the dynamic of these things has just shifted.
	We've got this giant institution that sucked up all these resources that no one's actually interested in watching.
	You know, this is not a profitable industry.
	I could be wrong, Carl, but I'm getting the feeling right now that you're not going to be in the line to see Barbie.
	You know, I actually am going to have to see it because my wife wants to see it.
	Really?
	Are you going to do the great double act, the Barbieheimer?
	Go see them both in one sitting?
	No.
	I'm not really interested in it.
	You've got a half-half suit.
	You're not going to go Barbieheimer?
	You should.
	I don't really care about the Oppenheimer films.
	But isn't it weird though?
	The Oppenheimer Barbie movies are the only ones anyone's talking about.
	Well, that's the thing.
	These... And it's really just because of the meme aspect, if nothing else?
	Well, I mean, like, you know...
	There are lots of millennial women who played with Barbies when they were kids, right?
	And so that's who Barbie appears to be pitched at.
	But it's not pitched at young girls now.
	And the Oppenheim movie just looks really dull.
	I don't really care about Christopher Nolan at all.
	He seems like the midwits director to me.
	Exactly.
	The whole thing is just a pure meme.
	The Barbie stuff I think has more going on on the side.
	But at least for normal people, I could see like a normie who doesn't think about this at all.
	Being like, oh, Oppenheimer, that sounds in China, he made the bomb.
	And Barbie, my wife likes Barbie, I'm going to have to go see that.
	Okay, I can see why they exist.
	Like the latest Jurassic Park film was absolute junk.
	It was just so bad.
	But when I took my kids to see it, the theatre was just filled, the cinema was just filled with dads with their kids, right?
	And so you can, there's at least a normie friendly sort of, there's a reason that normies would go and watch these things.
	But most films, right?
	Why would any normie want to watch aging Harrison Ford, or nearly dead Harrison Ford, like, creak his way around the set?
	Like, there's no reason for it, right?
	I gotta wonder, when your son grows up, after watching that, is he ever going to rewatch that particular Jurassic Park?
	No, he won't.
	It was really boring.
	But isn't that a big difference?
	Like, we still go and watch films on, you know, we stream them now, but you used to have DVDs.
	Yeah, it's still worth watching the original Jurassic Park.
	It's still actually entertaining.
	It's still good to actually watch.
	My kids will actually want to put it on.
	They're not like, Dad, can we watch Jurassic World Dominion where the locusts are taking over the Earth?
	No!
	Who cares?
	Anyway, obviously.
	So anyway, and we can say this just because ticket sales are massively down.
	Now, there are a bunch of reasons for this.
	Of course, COVID didn't help.
	You know, the state saying where everything needs to be shut down, but ticket sales just down a fifth from four years ago, only four years ago.
	So that's, I mean, you know, an entire industry losing a fifth of its, uh, sales is pretty bad and they release fewer films as well.
	Uh, in 2019, there were 57 films released and 2023.
	So in the same period so far, only 45 films have been released.
	And it's not going to get any better.
	Is it?
	Because now in order to win a, you know, a, a gong for best picture.
	Yeah.
	Your movie's got to be filled with people with certain protected characteristics, it's got to have a black or asian or trans lead, it's got to address some terrible woke injustice, and people don't want to see that kind of nonsense do they?
	And most of us go to the movies to eat popcorn, or wine gums in my case, and have a great old time.
	Look at the hot totty on the screen, see a little bit of Crash Bang Wallop, and let's hope that the good guys, if you get a bit of good Tarantino-esque dialogue in there as it goes on, all the better.
	But we don't want to go there for yet another lecture, do we?
	No, we go to watch heroes defeat villains.
	Yeah.
	It's that simple actually.
	Um, but anyway, so in the UK, um, for example, uh, ticket sales are collapsing.
	Um, two cinema chains have gone into administration because the infrastructure supports people actually going to watch a movie doesn't end up existing if people don't actually want to watch the bloody movies.
	Yeah, well, there's two things.
	There's the quality of the products.
	Nobody wants to watch the movies.
	And then there's what we've learned to do during enforced lockdown, which is just to buy everything online.
	So there's entire industries, which we used to have post pre-COVID, which are now gone because people have relearned habits and they've done them for long enough.
	You're stuck in a COVID world for a couple of years.
	Those habits that you have learned stick, and when they open everything back up again, nobody goes.
	So it looks like Swindon in particular just won't have any cinemas at some point, because Empire are closing.
	What about Cineworld?
	And Cineworld.
	No!
	We used to have a guy in the office when we were all joking about investing in stocks.
	Like, we did some stuff, and then he just put everything in Cineworld.
	And every single day, we would run into him and be like, how's your stock doing, mate?
	And he's like, don't talk to me about it.
	Why would you put all of your money in the hands of Hollywood and expect them to...
	It wasn't that, he just really likes Cineworld customer service.
	He was like, just put it all in.
	But that's the thing, isn't it?
	Because these cinemas, like I've used these plenty of times, they're all really good.
	The high quality, you enjoy your time there.
	It's just there's no reason to go there because the films are rubbish.
	Like they say here, Cineworld filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the US last year after being weighed down by mammoth debts and weaker than hoped for audience numbers.
	Because people are just not going because the films are rubbish.
	Sort out your product.
	Sort out your product.
	That's it.
	And let's have a, let's swear we will never do any form of lockdown ever again.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so let's, uh, let's go to the, the Striking Film Actors Guild.
	Uh, Bryan Cranston is, uh, going to tell us how he's not going to be replaced.
	Let's watch.
	And I find it very, very ironic that we are all gathered here today in unity in front of an entity that is run by Disney.
	And now we've got a message for Mr. Iger.
	I know, sir, that you look through things through a different lens.
	We don't expect you to understand who we are.
	But we ask you to hear us, and beyond that, to listen to us when we tell you we will not be having our jobs taken away and given to robots.
	We will not have you take away our right to work and earn a decent living!
	And lastly and most importantly, we will not allow you to take away our dignity!
	Does a man not have a right to star in a Hollywood film?
	He's standing, isn't he, for office in New Mexico, Bryan Cranston.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he is.
	No, he is, yeah.
	He's standing for office in New Mexico.
	He's breaking bad real life.
	Yeah, absolutely breaking bad real life.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Poor, poor darlings, aren't they?
	These actors who aren't going to be replaced by AI and they're going to keep earning their hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds and, you know, tens of thousands for every repeat and all.
	Yeah.
	It's absolutely ridiculous.
	My heart bleeds, Carl.
	I've got to tell you.
	Well, that's the thing.
	And bad news for Bryan Cranston is that the AI is actually going to replace them.
	And it's already happening.
	Netflix is offering $900,000 a year for a single AI product manager.
	So it turns out that you can replace the salaries of dozens and dozens of writers for one AI manager.
	This was my point.
	I had too many people.
	I was like, eh.
	Don't need you.
	You don't actually do anything good, so just gonna get chat GPT.
	Actor Rob Delaney says, quote, so 900,000 a year per soldier in their godless AI army.
	When that amount of earnings could qualify 35 actors and their family, the health insurance is just ghoulish, says the godless ghoulish atheists of Hollywood.
	Learn to code.
	Yeah.
	No, seriously, no sympathy.
	You know, you're, you're, you guys are a bunch of weird child traffickers and like Harvey Weinstein enablers.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just, I'm so out of sympathy.
	Like Ricky Gervais literally said all this to their face and the Golden Globes and they're just like, yeah, sorry.
	You're a disgusting industry full of disgusting people.
	And of course, they've been sucking up, haven't they, to Silicon Valley for years and years.
	Oh yeah, and it's Silicon Valley that's destroying them as well.
	Yeah, of course it is.
	They're well aware of it.
	The Intercept article talks about this a lot.
	Because Silicon Valley has got quite opaque practices on purpose.
	And they all got into bed with Netflix.
	They all got into bed with the Amazon streaming and stuff like this.
	And all of these are just totally opaque Silicon Valley companies.
	And they were just like, yeah, but we don't know what we're worth.
	Because we don't know what the viewing figures are.
	And it's like, and whose problem is that?
	And guess what we're doing now?
	You're signing this contract where we're taking your AI likeness and now we don't have to pay you a goddamn thing.
	Bye!
	Yeah.
	That's the way, that is the way AI goes.
	That's the way Silicon Valley goes.
	It astonishes me that they didn't predict this.
	I mean, I can remember years ago when they started replacing checkout workers at Tesco's, which was like, you know, this is only going to end one way.
	Why can you not see that?
	Don't wait 10 years and then, you know, start moaning about it.
	Start moaning about it now.
	I mean, the reason that I go through the human checkout is because I'm technologically useless.
	I always end up in a complete sort of mess when I try and use the AI ones.
	I just don't want to reinforce the industrial technological system.
	I wish my reasons were quite so noble, but unfortunately it's because I'm useless.
	Yeah, but it doesn't work, does it?
	And then, you know, you buy a bottle of whiskey and then you've got to press a button because somebody wants to come and check that I'm 18.
	And then what do you do with your bags?
	I mean, I bring my own bag and he doesn't recognise my own bag.
	I'm not saying I've done this, but if you just take them, nobody knows.
	You bag thief.
	Well, they're just inside there.
	The bags at the supermarket are free!
	No one cares!
	I'm not.
	Seriously, like, you think the lady there working on minimum wage cares if you take the five pence back?
	Do not steal from supermarkets.
	I'm not saying you should, I'm saying you shouldn't, but you can.
	And you know this, and you know this how.
	You heard from a friend, right?
	You know how to steal from supermarkets is the official position of LotusCaesars.com.
	Sure.
	Anyway, right.
	But the thing is, it is exactly as we've described, right?
	The chief negotiator for the Actors Union is like, well, they propose that our background performers should be scanned and get paid for one day's pay, and then the company should own the scan, their image, their likeness, and be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no consent and no compensation.
	Uh, yep, that's what they're going to do.
	The Writers Guild of America are like, well, we want to make sure that ChatGPT isn't credited with writing a screenplay.
	And all this to me is just like, oh no, now they've come for my job.
	It's like, yeah, they've come for your job because they came for everyone else's job prior and you did not care.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I have no sympathy with this sort of elite bunch of Hollywood actors, none whatsoever.
	I had some sympathies with the miners, for instance, when entire communities were transformed by Thatcher, even though I was the Thatcherite.
	We'll get to all of this.
	Exactly as you say, right?
	They just continue complaining in this article that like Netflix is paying 900k a year, Disney is also doing the same thing, and one researcher says it seems clear the entertainment industry is willing to make massive investments in generative AI, generative AI being the AI that's going to be writing the screenplays in the future, in order to Save hundreds of millions of dollars and also gain valuable access to intellectual property.
	So AI models can be trained to replace human creatives like actors, writers, and journalists for a tiny fraction of human wages.
	It's like, well, I would have more sympathy with those people if they hadn't spent the last 10 years telling me that I was a racist.
	I agree, a racist and a transphobe, and they jump on every woke bandwagon going, and they make the rest of us feel as though we're somehow not worthy.
	If we don't celebrate the latest piece of wokery nonsense that they put out, then we are somehow literal Nazis.
	If you can't afford their vanity morality, Which is what this is.
	Oh, I like that.
	Bouncy morality.
	And that's exactly what it is.
	It's high cost, high price, virtue signaling, status symbol, morality.
	Then you're a bad person.
	It's like, no, get effed.
	Right?
	I'm not having it.
	And so what they're going to do is they're going to take like, you know, epics, like the Epic of Gilgamesh, which we did an amazing three and a half hour long symposium on.
	so you should go and watch that by the way because this is the best analysis you'll ever see of the epic field meshed but what they're going to do is they're going to tell the ai script to read this because it can so read this ancient epic write a script from it which it will suggest the best scab actors for the roles pay them the appropriate day rate for their image and then generate not only the script
	it'll be the deep fake of the actors their voices and compile and render the entire film And it will all be automated.
	And eventually it will come to the point where this can be done on demand.
	The technology will become so advanced that it will literally just create human beings who don't exist, using voices that don't exist, to fill particular niches, to tell stories that have been told for millennia.
	And this will be done on demand.
	You'll be like, computer, I just want to listen to, I want to watch a rendition of the Iliad.
	And then it'll, okay, you know, processing, done.
	Okay.
	And you'll sit down for two hours and watch the Iliad and the actors are gone.
	It's over.
	This entire industry is done now.
	I still don't think it will actually work because there's something about even clever fakery which remains fake.
	It leaves you feeling fundamentally unsatisfied.
	It leaves you feeling unsatisfied because you have a point of reference.
	Imagine if you have never seen an authentic movie.
	Imagine if you have never seen an actual actor delivering an actual line with charisma and conviction, and all you are used to is computer-generated fakery.
	It leaves you that way, and me as well, but in 30 years' time, 40 years' time, when all that is available is computer-generated, and you for your entire life have grown up watching computer-generated things, you won't know that there's any difference.
	But I think you will still feel the lack, as a human being, I think we'll feel the lack.
	I think we are pre-programmed to recognise fakery, actually.
	And I think what might happen is it might give rise to an alternative industry, even if it's just street theatre, or mummers plays.
	I think you are right.
	I think there will be a small percentage of people Well, you know, a minority who do realize that this is inauthentic and they want something that is actually genuinely made by humans.
	But I think the majority of people won't think that at all.
	Well, again, you look at the rise of, you know, we thought vinyl was dead, didn't we?
	We thought that once the CD came along, And then streaming came along.
	We thought that vinyl was dead, but there's something about vinyl that people like.
	I personally don't get it.
	I don't care.
	I'm quite happy to say, Hey Siri, play so-and-so.
	But there's something that people recognize as being authentic about vinyl that isn't there in streaming.
	And I think the same thing will happen with this.
	But what percentage of music is listened to on vinyl?
	What percentage of music is listened to on Spotify?
	Oh, I agree.
	I agree.
	It will exist.
	There will be a minor industry for old style movies.
	What do you think?
	I think you're overstating it a bit.
	I mean, maybe 30% of all future movies will be AI generated animated movies that are really cool.
	Probably.
	There'll probably be plenty entertaining, but it's not going to take over the whole entertainment industry.
	I think you're a prophet of doom.
	I may well be, but that's only because we've seen this happen before.
	This too will pass.
	I agree.
	The thing about movies though, and music, it's something that appeals to our deepest humanity, isn't it?
	That's why we go.
	We don't just go because we want to see cleverness, you know, flashbang wallop, etc.
	It's the story that appeals to us, I think.
	I've got more faith in humanity than you have, Carl.
	Experience with humanity.
	You look around and the majority of people actually do not think about these things that deeply.
	And so like 70% of people will just do things for the initial surface reason, right?
	So 70% of people will just watch the rubbish movie.
	They'll watch, they'll listen to the rubbish music that's made by autotune and has been like scientifically calculated to just trigger neurons in your brain for whatever effect, right?
	This will become the normal dominant paradigm, and it will be people looking for strange and unusual things in unusual places that create a kind of side industry.
	But I think that Hollywood, as we know, is coming to the end of its life, and the era of the actor, I think, is coming to an end.
	And I'm kind of not sad about it because I kind of hate these people.
	I'm certainly not sad about Hollywood coming to an end, but I think it will be replaced by something that remains human, recognizably human, and which is much better.
	I don't think so.
	I think that I do think that would be a minority opinion.
	But Lauren Chen had a great take on this that I thought we'd share at the end of this.
	These people didn't bat an eye when the Rust Belt was hollowed out and their jobs shipped overseas.
	They voted to hasten their collapse and replacement.
	It's time for the theater kids to learn how to code.
	Simply put, they didn't care until it happened to them.
	They didn't care that your jobs were outsourced.
	They didn't care that your country was changed, but now it's affecting them.
	Oh, they're so bothered.
	Oh, they're so virtuous.
	No, I've got no sympathy.
	They're not coal miners.
	This is just the march of progress.
	No, absolutely.
	When terrible things happen to other communities... I'd love to see some coal miners marching past or saw a picket line and just like, what?
	Looking at each other?
	Yeah, exactly.
	When terrible things happen to other communities, then what actors have tended to do is see that as a great opportunity to write a great story and act in a film about it and get paid loads of money about it.
	That happened with the Full Monty, with the steel industry in Sheffield.
	It happened with, um...
	Oh, the other fantastic movie about the coal mines, uh, and the, and the brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, brass, Yeah.
	And so I've got no sympathy whatsoever, and I'm not sad that it's happening.
	Anyway.
	There are.
	Yeah, but lastly, watch Fowler.
	Learn to love subtitles, Carl.
	I do not like subtitles.
	They're distracting.
	No, they're not.
	They are!
	No, they're not.
	You're just wrong.
	You're just wrong.
	Trying to log into chat, GPT, then.
	I was seeing if we could get the AI to write a story about a struggling actor whose job was replaced by AI.
	Just so we can have the version that you were talking about.
	You were like, oh yeah, the actors used to play the roles of people losing their jobs.
	I'm like, what if we get the AI to just show it to those guys striking.
	Oh man.
	Is it doing it?
	I couldn't log in because I forgot.
	So we could have read that out of the end.
	Anyway.
	I'll steal this box.
	Hopefully it works.
	Anyway.
	I wanted to talk about the normie world, where the normies live, and the normies do play.
	Do you know what the normies are, Harry?
	Yeah, tell me what the normies are.
	Normal people.
	Oh, normal people.
	Exactly, you and I. Are we normies?
	No, you're not a normie.
	We're not normies.
	Because those of us who pay attention to even the slightest of politics, I don't think classify as normies anymore.
	I think a normie is someone who really doesn't pay attention to anything, and just lives their life.
	You see, the normie, he goes to his office job.
	and he sits there in front of his office in front of his desk and he processes whatever reports he just does whatever he's supposed to do he'll listen to some you know tacky pop music and then he'll go home to his normie wife who's been watching soaps all day and then he'll be like you're right babe should we go over to the weatherspoons or to miller and carter if they're really pushing the boat out And they'll go and drink some cocktails and have a thing, and then they'll go and watch some trash movie at the cinema, but they won't for much longer.
	Love Island, mate.
	And they will do this forever, not understanding that the world is degrading around them.
	Or that there is something out there that's more than this?
	I think people, by and large, are more awake than you give them credit for, actually.
	Way too optimistic.
	Well, I am optimistic.
	I am optimistic.
	I've been a proper activist now for, what, since 2019?
	Four years.
	And I think you have to be, fundamentally, an optimist to be an activist.
	Because you've got to believe, one, in humanity, and two, in the possibility that humans can change things.
	Even in the face of gigantic Weberian bureaucracies which try to strip away our humanity, I still believe that there is a ghost in the machine and that ghost is people like me.
	And I have more faith in Normies than you do.
	I felt that way in 2014 when I started as an activist as well.
	Oh right, okay.
	So I'm here talking about... I'm not quite... I need to go on a little bit longer, and then I'll become as cynical as you.
	Yeah, well you've been doing it for as long as I've been doing it, you know.
	To be fair though, I'm talking about about a third of the population here, not like the actual majority, because I'm going to be talking about people who do try and pay attention to the news, but they've just got the worst possible ideas about how to do it, and the choices they made, which I think you'll agree with me after I show you them, I've yet to hear an argument why we should allow a single foreign man to come into the country.
	feminist immigration policy will save the West.
	Too long didn't read, women only.
	I'm yet to actually find a counterpoint from a normie or non-normie.
	So I thought I'd just advertise it again to be like, no, seriously, this will actually solve all our problems. - I've yet to hear an argument why we should allow a single foreign man to come into the country. - That's my point.
	There isn't one. - Why would you allow foreign men to live in your country?
	- Well, for me, I tend not to give an opinion on that.
	What I do say is that we absolutely have the right to discuss that issue without being de facto criminalized.
	I'm not saying we shouldn't.
	I'm just saying, why should we?
	Right.
	But like no one ever says why we actually would like foreign men to come here.
	What's the reason?
	Again, you've got such a cynical view of humanity.
	I think immigration is by and large a good thing.
	Why?
	I think the ability to go and live in a foreign country is a good thing.
	What I'm entirely against is unlawful entry into a country.
	So if 50 million Chinese people No, because how would they get here?
	They need to come lawfully.
	If they come lawfully, if literally the government allows 20 million Chinese people to come... Currently we have no limit.
	No, I'm absolutely not for unlimited immigration.
	Absolutely not.
	What I'm saying is that I think immigration as a concept is a good is a good thing.
	Now that's not putting a number on it.
	I'm saying that immigration is a good thing.
	What I'm saying is that we have to have the absolute right, the fundamental right, to discuss numbers and how we immigrate or emigrate without becoming a person of interest to the police.
	No, I mean, I totally agree with that, obviously.
	But that's the point.
	It's only in the very abstract that you can say immigration is good.
	And then when you start actually applying it to reality, it's like, hang on a second.
	There are real questions about... Immigration is human.
	Exploring and leaving your place of birth.
	is human.
	It's human nature to look what's over the next hill, see what's over the next hill, see what's over the next sea and go, oh, I like it over there.
	That's better than where I live.
	My own daughter has emigrated to Australia, for instance.
	So I'm all for movement of people.
	What I'm not for is movement of peoples.
	And there's a difference.
	When you have mass immigration, as we've got at the moment, with de-restricted borders, because they are entirely de-restricted.
	The lifeboats now become the taxi service.
	That's entirely, entirely wrong.
	I think Suella Braverman needs to stick to her guns and deliver what The majority of British people want, which is, secured borders.
	Well that is not saying that immigration is a bad thing.
	It's saying that legal immigration is a good thing.
	We can go on forever.
	We'll carry on.
	What I was actually talking about, that was just a plug.
	I was just me promoting something.
	The actual thing I'm talking about is the normies, as I mentioned, and what they listen to.
	So here is the University of Oxford, who worked with Reuters to do this.
	And it's a listicle, essentially, an academic one.
	There we are.
	I was going to say, I would have thought the University of Oxford would be a little bit above listicles.
	Well, I mean, LISTSCORE is really just a list.
	And there we are, new podcast, who's listening to what formats and what's working.
	So this is, I suppose you could argue, looking at what you should do if you're making stuff.
	And they list a whole bunch of different stuff.
	And the thing that I find most interesting is they list the particular podcast people are listening to, at least according to their data, which I'm just going to have to trust, I suppose.
	There's a whole bunch of stuff here that's not interesting to me.
	But this part is the most interesting to me.
	As you can see, they have the news roundup there, which has five things from CNN, NPR, Deep Dive stuff, they've got the New York Times, documentary stuff, they've got PartyGate from ITV.
	Quite a lot of establishment, legacy media stuff in here.
	And then the extended chats, up to four hours.
	Of course, Joe Rogan wins.
	I bet Joe Rogan has more views than all of these people combined.
	I think so.
	But the thing that shocked me, because I don't know, I just... I don't know who listens to this, is you can see that the rest is politics with that guy who was a propagandist for... Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell.
	Yeah, and Rory Stewart, the... Who would watch that?
	The opium man.
	And then the last one there being the news agents with Emily Mattis, the BBC journo, who I think... I kind of wish she quit or got fired in the end.
	I think crap.
	Either way, someone else's problem, not mine.
	And my point being, they then go on to list the most viewed things for news in the UK.
	So, a lot more close to home.
	I think I might have been it, can't remember.
	Nope, it's a lot further down.
	That's the American one.
	That was it.
	I can't remember.
	The layout was different on my laptop.
	So they're saying here that the rest is politics, the BBC Newscast and the news agents there.
	They're all joint number one and 31% of all named podcasts that are actually listed to people in the UK and the news category are BBC News.
	And I just Okay, this is what I mean by normies, where like, your interactions with politics in any regard will be BBC News, that's probably about it.
	You sort of give up at that point, because trust me, the BBC would never lie.
	My friend has a good game for that, which is you ask people, do you remember those television vans that would come by and beam into your house to see if you had a TV license?
	You ever seen one?
	No.
	But you remember the adverts.
	That's because they don't exist.
	Yeah.
	The BBC would never lie.
	And we've got more direct things that people, the BBC have lied about.
	For example, why coots the platform Nigel Farage?
	Indeed.
	Or my return visit to Totnes that never happened.
	There's an endless list.
	It's just that one I think resonates with most normally is the example my friend gave because while everyone's heard about TV vans, they've seen the adverts and then have never seen a van.
	And also, scientifically, that doesn't even work.
	TVs take in data, they don't transmit anything, so how would you even scan a TV?
	Yeah, I love the idea that, oh no, we've got some secret technology that can beam into your front room and tell if you're illegally watching the BBC.
	No, you can't.
	As someone who did a physics degree, not possible.
	Scientifically, it's not the case that we could do that with terrestrial televisions.
	It's basically operating the fear of the panopticon, isn't it?
	That's what's going on.
	If you believe you're being watched, you comply.
	That's exactly it.
	What is interesting, though, is they say that this is the UK audience of UK domestic products that are consumed by the UK audience, whereas the products people consume on large are a bit more diverse in the sense that they're all American.
	As you can see here, when people are actually in the UK, when you widen the net to non-UK podcasts, the number three are The Ben Shapiro Show, Pod Save America, and Jordan Peterson.
	There you are.
	I'm pretty sure I can label him as American now because he's working with the Daily Wire, but I might be wrong.
	North America, either way.
	He's from America.
	He's Canadian, isn't he, I believe.
	Yeah, he is.
	And they're not the only people who listed this.
	I saw this article.
	It was also just like the most popular podcast, a lot of people listening to.
	And the news agents is in there as well.
	So I decided to check out the news agents because I don't bother.
	I've never heard of it.
	So I don't know what the normies were listening to.
	Found out apparently that's what they're listening to.
	So I thought I'd go and give it a look.
	And you may remember the story of Nigel Farage.
	Nigel Farage's resounding victory of these liars.
	They did a couple of couple of episodes on this scenario.
	So I thought I'd check out what are the normies getting for information.
	And for people who don't know, just a quick catch up on the Nigel Farage story, which is the latest news is the leftist puppets in the CEO and I think the chairperson in charge of NetWest have both had to leave because, well, the politically motivated debanking of Nigel Farage is kind of a faux pas and probably the politically motivated debanking of Nigel Farage is kind of a So, or about to be because they might change the law.
	So, So, how do you think the news agents decided to inform the public about this story?
	But the facts?
	No.
	No, no, why would you?
	So here we are.
	This is their tour account, and they decide to dunk on Nigel Farage for being a rich man, which is the real story.
	Let's play this.
	Is this the clip?
	I wonder.
	The next one.
	Maybe the next one.
	Okay.
	If you put to one side the leaking of customer confidentiality, which we probably all agree was egregious, I think the one thing we've learned from all of this is how to whip up a populist storm.
	Because at the heart of this is the choice by one private bank to say no to one customer who they decided was costing them too much and wasn't bringing them in enough money.
	They offered him another high street bank like What?
	95% of the population use, and that wasn't good enough.
	And he made it.
	Farage made it an argument about free speech, about liberty, about censorship, when it wasn't.
	No one was shutting him down.
	No one was stopping him from banking.
	No one was calling him names.
	Nonsense.
	He simply waited until he paid off a mortgage, having decided ahead of time that they would call it quits at that point.
	And this isn't a public utility.
	It's not electricity.
	It's a posh private bank.
	It's in the name.
	Yet the power of the populist somehow is to turn utter entitlement into victimhood.
	And that is quite the move.
	Oh, again, that is absolutely quite astonishing.
	That's amazing.
	Like, they're not calling him names.
	No, they did.
	They call him a racist grifter, actually.
	They have their exact words.
	I love how their version of the story is that Nigel Farage is oppressing this poor, defenceless bank account of an international billion pound organisation.
	How could he?
	In fact, they say that he's starting a culture war.
	Well, he hasn't started it, has he?
	He brought it to the surface.
	I'll tell you now, when I was chairman of... Hang on, sorry.
	Not even that.
	Like, he's sitting there, having a lovely day, having a bank account, and the bank go, let's start a culture war.
	Let's debunk him for having the wrong opinions.
	Like, they brought it up.
	Yeah, of course it did.
	Of course it did, absolutely.
	But this has been going on a long, long time.
	When I was chairman of Reclaim, when I first went into the Reclaim offices, I said, right, what I need to see, I need to see our banking, I need to see our insurance.
	And at the time there was no insurance.
	The reason there wasn't any insurance was because nobody would insure.
	That can't happen.
	If we're going to have employees and we're going to have contractors and we're going to be mixing with the public, we have to have public liability, we have to have employment liability, we have to have that.
	So I had to jump through all sorts of hoops in order to get that.
	One of those hoops was to set up a private limited company and keep Lawrence Fox's name right away from it.
	And we used the corporate shield to do that, and by that means we were able to get insurance and all the rest of it.
	And we had a perfectly good bank in Metro Bank, and then they just decided one day that they no longer wanted to have us banking with them.
	We complied with absolutely everything.
	So again, in order to get a bank account, I had to use the Not the ruse, but do the ruse of a private limited company.
	Now that's entirely wrong.
	What's happening is you are being hard shadow banned from the political society.
	You want to operate lawfully, you want to operate with insurance, you want to operate so that all the money in and all the money out can be accounted for and people can pour over it and see that you're not taking brown paper bags from some shady Saudi somewhere.
	But you can't do that because the banks are debanking you.
	What that does in effect, unless you're creative like I was, the temptation is to start operating a black market of funding that That cannot possibly be right.
	That can't be what the public want.
	It's certainly not what the Electoral Commission wants.
	And so Nigel Farage has done us all a great service.
	He did not start this culture war.
	He exposed the culture war.
	And Emily Maitlis is being a complete and- She's lying.
	Yeah, a total liar about this.
	A total liar about this.
	Not a single thing she said could be construed as her slipping up, maybe getting the facts wrong or something.
	No, you are utterly just lying about the story, because as you laid out, that is the case.
	Nigel Farage is actually kind of a hero for taking on, because I've had it too, when I tried to set up a bank with UKIP, same situation.
	And, okay, the public are being oppressed by the banking system on the basis of political views, and Nigel Farage is actually a hero coming in and defending our rights.
	It's not just him, obviously.
	And their version of events is, well, posh guy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They cancelled the rights of the bank.
	Screw the rights of the bank!
	The war crime of the century is defending the people, at least according to the news agents here, which is apparently joint number one for the most watched news program, at least podcast, in the UK.
	But there's another thing, you know, we've talked a lot about word stay, like Norma, she uses a word which I really object to, which is populist.
	Yeah.
	As though, as though populist is somehow stupid.
	It's somehow wrong.
	This notion that populism is bad.
	Well, that shows absolute contempt by the liberal elite to the ordinary working class person, the middle class person, the hardworking person.
	It shows utter contempt for it.
	They, they did this with Brexit.
	They, you know, they set the question and then when we gave them the wrong answer, they said we'd misunderstood the question.
	Why?
	Because we're all so stupid.
	Yeah, they do this with every issue.
	Yeah, every issue.
	Gender, immigration, race, whatever it is.
	Every issue, you're bad because you're not us.
	Yeah, you're populist, you're stupid.
	So Nigel Farage did see this and he retweeted this tweet about it, so I suppose we'll take that as his sort of opinion.
	He writes here that Farage is the one provoking a culture war, not the people who compiled a dossier for his political views, not the people who leaked his financial details, just Farage.
	It's Farage who's done this.
	But also, like, they literally, like, complained that he retweeted a Ricky Gervais comedy skit.
	Yeah.
	Like, that was in there.
	It's just, come on!
	So this is the most recent segment about the nice Farage bank thing.
	And I listened to all of their stuff on this, just to make sure it wasn't being taken out of context or something.
	Emily doesn't seem to be part of this particular one, because it's the most recent one, I suppose.
	But it's just as terrible.
	I don't have time to chop it all up and play it, because it would be too much.
	But they say in here, to start off, why does it matter that a rich man has been debanked from a rich bank?
	Oh, what does it matter to you?
	We're beings who just have your banks!
	Let's just assume, like, they're actually...
	Not maniacs, who want to just completely disinform the public with propaganda.
	I mean, in that case, the story just completely went over their heads.
	I presume they're just like rescue animals or something, just completely unable to actually do the basics.
	And they say in here that it's because Najafraj has dragged the right along with him that this is a story, not to do with any of the human rights violations.
	Of, you know, regular people having their lives, as you put it, shadow-banned in real life.
	Dragged the right along with him.
	Yes, he's got... Oh my god, even politicians are upset that this is happening.
	Why are they standing in defense of the bank?
	You'd think.
	Like, just... They didn't go on to admit that every normal person should have the right to a bank account, but... Nigel Farage is a rich man who wants a rich account.
	So?
	As if this has anything to do with the question.
	The question is just, should you have access to the bank?
	And should a bank be able to get rid of you because of your views on politics?
	I've been watching like... All of it just goes over the head.
	The sort of Westminster sort of house comedians, the court jesters, where they're all like, oh well, the bank is deemed.
	Nigel Farage should be a racist.
	It's like, I don't care.
	Oh yes, the guardians of morality.
	The bank.
	It's this notion of, um, It does not accord with our values.
	What are these values?
	Can we have a list of your values please?
	I'd really like to see a list of your values.
	Then I'd like to see where I signed up to the list of your values.
	Then I'd like to see who else has signed up to the list of your values.
	Where is that in the contract?
	Yeah, where is that in the contract?
	This extends far beyond the bank.
	Down in Suffolk this last week, the Suffolk Chief Constable Has written to the Peter Tatchell Foundation offering an apology for historic wrongs against the LGBTQI plus community.
	Nobody knows what the TQI plus community is, by the way, and it didn't exist a few years ago.
	But nevertheless, she's issued an apology for historic wrongs.
	And then she said that their force will not allow anybody, anybody who does not sign up to the values of the TQI plus What values?
	Please define what these values are.
	Well, they have a stab at it, these guys.
	And they say that, well, Nigel Farage claims that it's the inclusion industry that's trying to shut him down.
	So, I mean, the diversity and inclusion values that the bank would write about.
	Presumably those are the values we could look at.
	But then they go on to deny that the inclusion industry even exists.
	Which doesn't make any sense, because how else did he lose his bank?
	What were the values that they were promoting?
	Well, not the ones that we list on the website.
	That's for sure.
	What I love about the inclusion industry is it requires us to kick out this guy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Inclusion means the opposite of inclusion.
	It's an exclusion industry is what it is.
	It's hard shadow banning you if you do not agree to our very narrow worldview.
	That's what it is.
	So they then go on to say that Nigel Farage claims this was an establishment job against him, trying to destroy him, because he's obviously the actual leader of the opposition in this country, for frank.
	Which is true.
	It's weird, isn't it?
	That a non-elected politician is really the leader of the opposition when it comes to this country, in terms of things actually happening in opposite to the government.
	This country's so screwed.
	Part of the conversation.
	But they say it's obviously not that.
	It's obviously not that the establishment tried to destroy Najaf Raj.
	The establishment here being a bunch of rich bankers who wanted to kill him because they didn't like his political views.
	Killed him in political terms there, with his count.
	The reason it's not, we can prove it, is because they failed.
	It's not attempted murder, Your Honour.
	Because he's not dead.
	He's not dead.
	Exactly.
	Do you know what that's exactly?
	This is what I mean.
	That's exactly the argument that the College of Policing used with me.
	They said that them knocking on my door about my tweeting activity back in 2019 was not a chilling effect because I'd carried on tweeting.
	Therefore, it wasn't a chilling effect.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No such thing as attempted murder.
	Exactly.
	Crime gone.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, this is what I mean by I don't really get what the normies are doing.
	Apparently the normies are watching this.
	Get back to Ben Shapiro, I guess.
	That would be far better than this, that's for sure.
	They ended off the story with a beautiful part, though, which does inform all of our viewers, they would say, maybe.
	They say here, quote, the banks are part of the culture war.
	That is fantasy land.
	And then they just sort of end the segment.
	Which, um, this is after the leaks have come out, as you correctly said, calling him a racist grifter, therefore we don't want to bank with him.
	They literally say he's against our values.
	They literally say it.
	Yeah.
	And they won't define what their values are.
	They just know that Farage is against it.
	Yeah.
	I have actually run into one person before who did watch that show with Alastair Campbell, the propagandist for Tony Blair.
	And he told me about it.
	He was, oh, it's really interesting.
	I sort of looked at him and just asked him, You do know who he is, right?
	But you don't know what he did for a job.
	He's a propagandist.
	Why are you watching it?
	He was just like, oh, I didn't know that.
	What?
	I didn't know.
	I'm going to have to stop watching these podcasts because I've never watched any of them either, but they sound really interesting.
	I think we'll get loads of content out of them.
	Like, they're actually mad people, but the mad people... I mean, all of them, as you can see, are establishment backed as well.
	The global player here being from Global, the media conglomerate, and then the rest of them obviously being from other legacy media outlets.
	BBC.
	I don't have much time, so I'll end off with this point, which is I just checked out the reviews, and the top reviews for me, at least the highly rated ones, there was a theme... Look at this one.
	They really have no idea about anything.
	I think so many people leave this place with young mindsets who do valuable contributions.
	But all the people who actually gave this good... Episodes don't report the truth!
	Stop reading the one star ones.
	But those are true.
	But that's for the people who actually do enjoy it.
	Because again, as I said, I don't understand how you could.
	But of the people who did, there was a theme.
	And I'm just going to read some.
	Maybe you'll find the theme.
	As a British expat who's lived in New York for 20 years and is now living in a different country outside the UK, I value your contributions.
	And the next one I'm going to read is, as a twice expat, Brit to Australia and then the USA, I love AmeriCast.
	But having lived in New York City for the last 15 years, I really appreciate this exciting analysis on British politics.
	I miss Zurich.
	And the last one being, as an Englishman now living in the United States, I often ask myself what I miss.
	It's not the beer, the fish and chips, or the daily newspapers.
	It's the BBC.
	Okay, thank you Emily and John for filling this void.
	The one stars are great.
	The one stars are gold.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But I do find it funny that the only people who seem to actually be watching this crap are people who have no possible way of knowing they're lying, I suppose?
	Because they're all living in the United States or outside of England.
	And therefore just assume that they've not got the full information so you could just lie to them about what's going on here.
	Yeah, they can't actually watch the GB News segment when Nigel Farage is like, no, this is what they said.
	So all these people who I presume are English living in the United States just believe that Nigel Farage is going around oppressing bankers who are the They're the most worse off people in the country, and if you donate £5 a week now you can save a banker from Nigel Farage's mean words.
	There we are.
	I just wanted to check in with the normies, what they apparently watch, and that's what I mean by normies.
	There's someone who apparently does the bare minimum in terms of engaging with British politics and watches stuff like this and presumably comes away from it far more confused than any other man.
	Yeah, but it's just wild the lies, right?
	Are the actual just blatant lies?
	Just make up the news, why not?
	You can understand, I mean, again, I don't like the term normies at all, but you have to have some sympathy when you have the BBC broadcasting Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, flanked by two so-called experts every single night.
	And what they're doing is telling you drivel, which cannot be contested at all.
	Because if you contest this in any way, shape or form, then you are part of the problem.
	You are part of the problem.
	And some of the suggestions were that if you didn't get the jab, for instance, then you shouldn't be allowed access to the NHS.
	You shouldn't, you know, jab no job and all the rest of it.
	In fact, you should probably just die.
	Yeah, just do us all a favour and die.
	Thank you, government.
	I'm not saying at all that these normies don't exist.
	I believe that they do.
	But I think that given time, most people have a natural curiosity and will eventually find their way to the truth.
	But that's me being over-optimistic again.
	I do agree with that.
	That's why we ended up with Brexit.
	I'm just going to remain cynical, frankly.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	Moving on to UFOs, are we?
	Yeah, you know, finally the important topic.
	So, do you believe in UFOs?
	Yes, obviously.
	Obviously?
	Well, no, because it just means unidentified flying objects.
	Okay, okay.
	Are you asking me do I believe in little green men?
	Yeah, yeah, little green men who fly around in little tic-tac capsules.
	I don't care.
	I don't care whether they do exist or whether they don't exist.
	It is the last thing on my list of interests.
	Well, honestly.
	You'd meet an alien and he'd be like, I've come from another world.
	And he'd be like, yeah, right.
	I've got a lot going on, mate.
	I'm busy.
	I I'm busy.
	I do believe that, I don't know whether they still have it, but the UN for many, many years had had an ambassador for outer space whose job it was... Whose job it was?
	Yeah, no, they did.
	Whose job it was to meet and greet... Easy day!
	Yeah, to meet and greet any alien life form that happened to sort of, you know, land on our world.
	Of the aliens around here?
	Nope!
	It's true, it's true.
	95?
	Job well done.
	Do you know about the Voyager, actually?
	No.
	So on the Voyager, there's a gold plate, and on the gold plate, there's loads of information just in case it meets aliens.
	So I mean, this is actually a serious concern.
	Yeah, but that was really stupid, wasn't it?
	It's like, here's our weak spots.
	What?
	Look, we're soft as fleshy things that can easily be killed.
	Here you go, aliens have all this information.
	This is where we live, by the way.
	Well, you know what's really funny?
	That you have a man and a woman on a planet.
	I play way too much Warhammer, okay?
	Like, the last thing I want to do is give aliens information about humanity.
	What we need to do is make sure that Will Smith is healthy.
	Because he's...
	He's getting older, man!
	We need to find the next Will Smith because he knows how to handle aliens.
	He does.
	You know there's a South Park episode?
	They open up a portal to another world so they get all the actors who have acted in such films and just send them through.
	That's a great idea.
	Anyway, why not?
	So I don't believe in aliens, I believe in Bigfoot.
	And frankly, the fact that there's no congressional hearing about Bigfoot... Look, we've been through this enough, Callum.
	Yeah, we have, enough.
	Part 3 coming soon, by the way.
	Go and watch these.
	These are amazing ads.
	I did so much work on these Bigfoot things and what does Congress do?
	Oh, it's like, oh yeah, aliens though.
	Oh, shut up!
	Shut up, I don't believe it!
	But look at all these Bigfoot... I found some amazing footage the other day, actually.
	Really, you found footage of Bigfoot, have you?
	Yes, incredible.
	Anyway, right, so... If you don't know, he literally sits me down and tries to prove that Bigfoot is real.
	Bigfoot is not real.
	Absolutely not.
	No, Bigfoot isn't real.
	He's not.
	Why?
	He's just a bloke in a gorilla suit wandering around Nepal.
	That's all it is.
	What is the scale of the gorilla suit industry?
	Like, there are so many videos!
	That's because the gorilla suits are easy to get hold of, mate.
	Honestly, you get a gorilla suit, you fly off to Nepal and Japan, wander around, you're a tall bloke, all the rest of it, working out a little bit, there you go, big full.
	Giant bodybuilders are wandering around Nepal in gorilla suits.
	But what's the size of the gorilla suit-wearing community?
	It doesn't matter, does it?
	It doesn't matter.
	You just need the odd waltz pop every now and again, and there we've got it.
	The myth continues.
	He has got a good point though.
	A lot of them have tits in the photos.
	It's like, why would you get the one with tits?
	Oh, so we're talking about trans yeti now, are we?
	No, no, no.
	Women yeti.
	Women yeti.
	Yeah, I'm just saying.
	Anyway, right.
	Let's get back to the real news, which is a congressional hearing on aliens.
	So actually, it's quite reasonable.
	Let's watch this first.
	They've got nothing to gain from this.
	And I think you're going to find out that they've endured quite a few slings and arrows.
	We need to remember them in our prayers and their families.
	And I'm thankful to them for their honest testimonies.
	They have done interviews and appeared in documentaries like Accidental Truth to get their stories out there.
	And now they are all here to testify under oath for Congress.
	We've run into roadblocks from members from the intelligence community, the Pentagon, I proposed legislation to go in the FAA reauthorization that just said if an airline pilot has a sighting, that when he makes that report to the FAA, that it would come to Congress.
	But I was told that the intelligence community did not like that, and the amendment was not even heard in committee.
	And that's exactly the point.
	This is an issue of government transparency.
	We can't trust a government that does not trust its people.
	We're not bringing little green men or flying saucers into the hearing.
	Sorry to disappoint.
	About half y'all.
	We're just going to get to the facts.
	We're going to uncover the cover up and I hope this is just the beginning of many more hearings and more people coming forward about this.
	Right.
	So this is not entirely unreasonable.
	If you've got lots of people saying, look, we keep seeing these things and you have the intelligence agencies saying, no, you don't.
	And you're not allowed to talk about it.
	There is a genuine concern about government transparency, right?
	And the, the, the rule of law and democracy and all these sort of things do come into question.
	And if there's nothing to hide here, then just let these people make themselves look ridiculous.
	Are these sort of UFOs seen mainly above Nevada and New Mexico?
	No.
	Are we talking about the Tic Tac?
	In one particular instance, yeah.
	Do you know about the Tic Tac?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Just so everyone's on the same page.
	So that's why they're there, and the people giving the testimony seem really credible, actually.
	These are insanely boring people.
	Like, if it was Alex Jones, I'd be like, okay, fair enough.
	Not that I have anything against Alex Jones, but... I did wonder if someone, when he said, we're not talking about little green men, sorry to disappoint half of you, if someone did get up and go, oh, damn it.
	Well, I would have stopped and left at that point, but yeah.
	But anyway, look, these are the guys giving the testimony, and I'm just going to let them lay out their credentials, so you know exactly how boring these people are.
	Our first witness is Lieutenant Ryan Graves.
	He's the Executive Director of Americans for Safe Aerospace.
	Lieutenant Graves is also a former US Navy F-18 pilot with his own UIG.
	UAP experience.
	The next witness, David Grush, is a former senior intelligence officer with the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and was a senior technical advisor for UAP issues.
	And finally, retired Navy Commander David Fravor, squadron leader who worked as a naval aviator for 18 years.
	Mr. Fravor has his own UAP experience known as the TikTok event.
	So, really boring but well-credentialed people.
	They've all got degrees or master's degrees in physics or some other nonsense that's boring.
	Well, they're pilots.
	I just don't, I just don't.
	They're not academics.
	No, no, they do.
	They tell you in, I mean, I'm not clipping the whole damn thing.
	I know, I just think that's a better qualification than I've got a degree.
	Well, no, it's, it's...
	Compiles, right?
	They are former military officers and intelligence officers.
	They all have academic qualifications.
	They've got like 20 or 30 years doing what they're doing.
	As you can see, they're very boring, serious men.
	No doubt they've seen something, and no doubt there are objects which are flying around which are unidentifiable to the vast majority of people, and they're probably just futuristic, militaristic, government-sponsored flying things.
	Yeah, but these are the people who know whether they are or aren't.
	Yeah, but they don't know, do they?
	No, I don't think they do know.
	I just don't think they do know.
	The left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing in government.
	No, that's not true.
	That's not true.
	These are the people who would have been involved in things like that.
	At one point, one of them just says, look, I was involved in top secret conventional technological experiments.
	We can't do any of this.
	Yeah, but not all of them.
	I'm not saying all of them.
	No, but that's...
	This is talking from a position of our ignorance and assuming that they share this position of ignorance, but they expressly say in this that they don't.
	They know what's going on generally.
	And I imagine like there are, you know, whisper networks and stuff like that.
	I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty sure that Donald Trump, when during his tenure, I'm sure that he would have had a look at these files and that if there had been anything in there, I think he'd have shot his mouth right off.
	I do.
	And he didn't.
	Do you think they would have shown Donald Trump?
	Well, yeah, I think they probably would.
	Yeah.
	So we've just invented a hypersonic jet fighter because he was the president.
	It could destroy all of China.
	Quick show Trump.
	That's interesting.
	Because then we get into the discussion about deep state.
	But anyway, so one of them explains one sort of typical encounter, which I'm not going to play just like a minute and a half.
	But basically in 2004, he's flying along off the coast of California, encounters a tic-tac thing that is just zipping around and goes up in space, and then they fly off and suddenly it's behind them and it's a typical sort of UFO encounter, right?
	And they can't explain it.
	The physics of it definitely doesn't bear out to what we... If you type in LEMONO TIC-TAC, he probably has the best video on it.
	It's an amazing video on it, yeah.
	And so what are they asking for?
	I'm going to skip this video just because we're running out of time.
	But basically, they're just asking for really a safe and centralized way to report these encounters that won't endanger their careers because they're very concerned about it.
	But I mean, in this one, he does talk about the technology, which I think is worth watching.
	Mr. Grish, finally, do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs?
	Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.
	And where?
	I know the exact locations and those locations were provided to the Inspector General and some of which to the Intelligence Committees.
	I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General.
	I actually skip on that because we're running out of time, but they say there's technology beyond our capacity and the government, the US government is in possession of them and they're in possession of the pilots, the organic pilot, who is not human of whatever craft they've got.
	He doesn't call it an alien.
	Can we play this?
	I feel like this is important to play.
	I couldn't find it.
	It's two and a half hours long.
	It's, you know, at some point he says that, you know, you'll find the clip going around Twitter, but you know, it's, It's in there.
	Right.
	And so it's like, right.
	Okay.
	What are we supposed to say to that?
	Right.
	This chief intelligence officer, three, like, you know, colonels or lieutenants or whatever, and former pilots, just like, look, everyone knows.
	I know where they are.
	You know, I'm not going to say it publicly, but I know they are.
	They've got.
	Show me, show me.
	I don't believe it.
	Do you remember in the 1970s?
	You probably don't.
	I don't know.
	Eric von Daniken.
	I've read Chariots of the Gods.
	Chariots of the Gods, etc.
	where they make the point that in the book of Ezekiel, actually what the prophet is describing, the wheels within wheels, what they're actually describing is a spaceship.
	I just don't see, I don't know why everything seems to happen in America.
	I don't know why, you know, some other smaller country hasn't also got the bones of a little green man somewhere in its lockup.
	Why does this only happen in the States?
	Why would you bother going to like Tibet or something?
	Well, you wouldn't know, would you?
	If you're from outer space, you're not going to really care.
	You're just going to land on a landmass.
	I don't know.
	I mean... Why would you go to the States?
	If you've got, like, some sort of... You want to go to Vegas?
	Is that the thing, do you think?
	Well, I think they might want to go to the place where there's the most political power centralised in the world.
	Or alternatively, they might like to go where... Well, I don't know, I think you're thinking in purely human terms here, Carl.
	And I think this is a big mistake in trying to understand the alien mind, which by the way doesn't exist.
	I don't know anything about the alien mind!
	I just don't understand why they would choose to go reveal themselves to America.
	I don't think they're trying to reveal themselves, that's the thing.
	But there seems to be a lot of talk about nuclear weapons.
	There have been lots of encounters around nuclear sites.
	So I imagine the Russians have probably got loads of this as well.
	And so I don't know.
	Maybe it's just because this is the English-speaking world.
	Who knows?
	But they're convinced it's technology beyond the capacity.
	And this was an interesting one.
	I think this one or the next one.
	I can't remember.
	It's this one.
	Richard, do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology.
	Yes.
	Personally.
	Have anyone been murdered that you know of?
	Or have heard of, I guess?
	I have to be careful asking that question.
	I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.
	So apparently people have been killed at this.
	No idea.
	But I mean, I'm just going to take his word for it because of course I've got no evidence or anything like that.
	There's no evidence, so I'll take his word.
	Well, I'll take his word that that's his testimony.
	I mean, this is, you know, an oath under... Yeah, I mean, plenty of people have lied under that.
	Sure, but what's the intent?
	And what would be the point of this?
	They're ruining their careers.
	Yeah.
	Plenty of people have.
	I guess.
	I don't know.
	I'm just, I'm not excited by the whole, like... I'm not saying that I'm excited.
	It's the Kraken.
	I agree.
	I'm not saying I believe.
	I'm just like, okay, this is what they're saying, and I'm just going to take it as what they're saying.
	And okay, you know, this is just take out what came out of this thing, right?
	And so they tell us what UFOs look like.
	Are there common characteristics to the UAPs that have been cited by different pilots, and can you describe what the convergence of descriptions is?
	Certainly.
	We were primarily seeing dark gray or black cubes inside of a clear sphere.
	I'm sorry, dark gray or black cubes?
	Yes, inside of a clear sphere, where the apex or tips of the cube were touching the inside of that sphere.
	And that was primarily what was being reported when we were able to gain a visual tally of these objects.
	And that occurred over almost eight years.
	And as far as I know, it's still occurring.
	Yeah.
	Mentioned in Lemono's video.
	Yep, okay.
	I'm not, again, I'm not convinced.
	Show me the money.
	Well, I agree.
	But let's see the picture.
	I'm not saying you have to be convinced, I'm just saying what was in this hearing, right?
	And so they suggest that this is being funded, this whole thing is being funded by misappropriation of budgets, basically.
	Mr. Grush, as a result of your previous government work, have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself of non-human origin craft?
	Yes, I personally interviewed those individuals.
	Mr. Grush, as a result of your previous government work, have you met with people with direct knowledge or have direct knowledge yourself about ATs, advanced technologies, that the U.S.
	government has?
	Based on conventional advanced tech, I was briefed to the preponderance of the Defense Department's both space and aerospace compartmental programs, yeah.
	Uh, right.
	So that was not the one I was expecting, but that's fine.
	Um, I have no idea where I am on the list now.
	Has the US government become aware of actual evidence of extraterrestrial, otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence?
	And if so, when do you think this first occurred?
	I like to use the term non-human.
	I don't like to denote origin.
	Keeps the aperture open, both scientifically.
	Certainly, like I've discussed publicly previously, 1930s.
	Right.
	So the US has known about aliens since the 1930s, apparently.
	Right.
	Yeah, thanks.
	So we'll skip video 11 just because we're out of time.
	So video 12 is, who is doing this then?
	So who do they say is behind the scenes doing this?
	And this is his answer.
	So who gets to decide this, in your opinion, in the past?
	It's a group of career senior executive officials.
	Okay, are they government officials?
	Both in and out.
	Do what?
	Both in and out of government.
	And that's about as far as I can go there.
	There we go.
	It's a little cabal of people who are apparently inside the power structure dictating how this goes.
	And the final one is why do they think the UFOs are here?
	Based off of your own experience or the data that you've been privy to, is there any indication that these UAPs could be essentially collecting reconnaissance information, Mr. Graves?
	Yes.
	Mr. Grush.
	Fair assessment.
	Mr. Fravor.
	Very possible.
	Probably here scouting us out, but of course we don't know.
	And I mean, so I followed like UFOs for many, many years because I viewed it as like kind of like science fiction.
	It's just interesting to hear, like, you know, I'm going to listen to like this six hour, like the thing is that the UFO community is actually quite big and actually has like conferences all around the world.
	And you get like, you know, I'm a, you know, a Colonel from the U S air force.
	I've got a master's degree in this and a PhD in this, and I've been doing this for 50 years and this is what happened.
	And it is really, really boring people.
	Who come out with these experiences, right?
	And so if it were really hyperactive, attention-seeking types, I'd be like, hey, obviously not.
	But I'm more inclined to give this credence or at least hear them out because of the kind of people they are.
	The trouble with that argument, Carl, is that there are national and international furries conferences where you'll also find the great and the good turning up.
	Really?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Serious people?
	Yeah, serious people who believe that they are part human, part furry.
	I don't think serious people do do that.
	Well, I think they do.
	I think it's the same serious people who believe in little green men.
	Have you ever spoken to a furry?
	I haven't spoken to a furry directly, I've spoken to furries through the magic of the internet.
	Yeah, are they serious people?
	Yeah, there are some serious people in the furry community apparently.
	Do you concur with that?
	Um, so we're going back to the subject.
	So there's, there's actually, we don't even have to take people's word for it.
	Cause it's mentioned, I mean, the Tic Tac instant that is on film.
	You can go and watch it.
	There's lots of footage of something you can actually record to, which is fair to them point out and be like, look, we've, I think Lemonade does a very good job.
	I hate to keep bringing him up, but he just, he just, it's a really good video.
	He's done.
	Yeah.
	Like he goes through all the different circumstances.
	They suspected it to be of camera failures, et cetera, et cetera.
	And then couldn't put it down to any of that.
	And they were like, well, Okay, so there probably was something there, we just don't know what.
	All right, what do we do with that?
	Because that's scary, especially if you're the United States.
	It is scary, I agree.
	And let me get this, let me just say this right off the off.
	I'm not saying there is no such thing as aliens, not at all.
	There may well be, I don't see any reason why in the vast universe.
	There wouldn't be.
	I just find it suspicious when the only people who spot them are these type of people.
	Well, they're not.
	There are loads and loads and loads and loads of normal people.
	Why does one of these not crash in Barnsley?
	put them on the internet, but it never goes anywhere because it's just some guy who videos a weird light in the sky.
	Why does one of these not crash in Barnsley?
	Well, there's the Rendlesham incident.
	All right.
	So one ass crashed in Barnsley.
	Well, I don't know how close to Barnsley-Rendlesham Forest is, but in the 70s there was a UFO thing near Rendlesham Air Base or something.
	Again, near an air base.
	Yeah, but that makes it not valid now, does it?
	I don't know.
	It always seems to be around.
	These sites where there is the great likelihood of there being some other course, you know, It lands at an airbase.
	Convenient.
	Well, no, it wasn't at an airbase.
	It's just in a forest that isn't near an airbase.
	But like, there are loads and loads and loads.
	So you can just go, you know, UFO crash, whatever.
	And you can find loads of different ones from all around the world.
	Like there are loads of stories.
	It's just no one ever talks about them because why would you?
	You know, you're not some sort of Kukai.
	Right.
	And so it's, it's not that, but it's, it requires people like this to essentially be like, okay, you know, I'm someone you would take seriously.
	If I said that the Chinese had submarines off the coast of California and they were planning a nuclear launch, you would listen to all of these men.
	Of course we would.
	Of course you would.
	And so when these very same men come and look, we were flying these jet aircraft and we encountered some weird tic-tac thing that defied the laws of physics and we don't know what it is.
	We're not going to listen to them.
	No, no, no.
	I believe they did see something.
	I believe they did see something.
	I don't know what it is.
	Don't think they know what it is.
	Absolutely.
	They filmed it.
	That's the thing.
	So someone says, I saw something in the night.
	Okay, cool.
	I've got nothing really we can talk about, but we filmed it.
	We're talking about it on the film.
	You can run a test you won and it's not a manufacturing error or an error with the thermals or anything.
	Like this was a real thing that spun around us.
	Yeah.
	Then we've actually got something to talk about.
	Yeah.
	That's what I mean.
	Senior intelligence officers like, I can tell you where the bodies are.
	Yeah, that's a little less useful.
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, it'd be useful to get someone to go there and actually get the bodies.
	Yeah, it would.
	Like, you know, the U.S.
	government has these things.
	We have those.
	Well, I'd love them.
	But the point is, you know, like, I'm not saying that they're right or wrong.
	They might be making up a story.
	But the... Why would successive governments Hide it?
	Why?
	Well, I can think of lots of reasons, actually.
	For instance?
	Well, for instance, the paradigm of humanity is definitely going to change if we are introduced to alien civilizations.
	Things are going to change.
	A lot.
	Why?
	Because the aliens will have technology and ideas that are alien to us and will change our perspective on ourselves and the rest of the universe.
	They're going to do that irrespective of whether or not our governments know it.
	If they've got some... I don't know.
	I don't think the aliens are being dictated to by whether or not Congress or whoever, the CIA or whatever, release this information.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what it is and I don't know what... I think one thing is you can't really predict the effect of it before the fact either.
	We've no idea what the effects will be.
	So who knows?
	I mean, you know, we don't know what the... I doubt, I can't imagine that they are just discovering us for the first time or something like that, right?
	You know, and like, it could be that we're like some sort of quarantine planet.
	Or something.
	I don't know.
	It could be anything.
	You know, that's the problem.
	The paradigm will shift so radically that a lot will change very, very quickly.
	Okay.
	But you've got this alien life form.
	Okay.
	I imagine that it's going to do what it's going to do, irrespective of whether or not we want them to do it to us or not.
	So I don't see why repeated Congress, or what have you, would keep this stuff buried.
	Well, the aliens might have some sort of prime directive.
	Well they're like, we don't want to interfere with... Sounded NDA, is that it?
	We don't need to do any of that, just the technology argument's good enough.
	For the same reason that we don't go to Amazonian tribes and drop iPhones down there, right?
	We don't want to screw them up.
	That would be funny though.
	Sure.
	But do you think if an Amazonian tribesman found an iPhone, do you think they'd keep it under wraps or would they tell the rest of the Amazonian tribe?
	I think they'd tell the rest of the Amazonian tribe.
	Sure, but that's because it's a 20-man tribe, right?
	Not a 300 million person world power.
	But I think that if there was a power structure within this tribe that could do it, they'd probably go, hang on a second, this might change everything.
	You know, I mean, for them, and it would change everything.
	Suddenly, instead of becoming tribal, now they've got to be democratic.
	Now the chief loses his position, blah, blah, blah.
	So it will automatically change.
	So we know this.
	And so we try not to interfere with their civilization because we know we're going to create massive upheavals within this Amazonian tribe.
	I don't see why it would be different for an avian civilization.
	Well, I think you're anthropomorphizing alien life there.
	I just don't.
	Maybe.
	I don't see why we would assume that.
	I mean, maybe they'll just turn up and devour the planet and scour it with life.
	I don't know, you know, but.
	If they've got evil intents, I mean, I just don't think that.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	You know, but what I'm saying is there are lots of people who in every other aspect of life you would take very, very seriously.
	And they're saying there's something kind of ridiculous going on.
	The question is.
	I would have taken Patrick Vallance and Witty seriously.
	I agree.
	They've got, I would have, you know, 10 years ago.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would.
	Yeah.
	They've got, they've got impeccable credentials.
	Why would I not believe that?
	Who are they in the UFO community?
	They're not.
	They're not.
	Yeah.
	I've just, I would take them more seriously if they were talking about UFOs.
	Well, no, I agree.
	And if these guys were backed by the power structure, then okay.
	I'd like, they're also trying to protect themselves.
	But these guys have been persecuted by it.
	I mean, the guy in the middle, Grush, he calls it administrative terrorism, where he's essentially been debunked and marginalized, had all of these things happened to him because of his concern in this regard.
	So if these people hadn't been attacked repeatedly, and there wasn't... The guy beginning said, look, it took us a long time to get to this point because the institutions were trying to stop us from doing this.
	It's like, okay, if they weren't trying to, then I would be far more on your side on that.
	But since there's resistance from the institutions, I can't see these guys as being the mouthpiece of the institutions.
	I tend to think that it's bread and circuses in a spacesuit to keep us discussing this rather than discussing much more serious matters.
	Maybe.
	I'm not ruling it out.
	I'm just saying this is something that happened and I don't have an opinion really.
	I don't know what the case is, so I don't know.
	Interesting.
	So here's some fun California news for you guys.
	There was an incident the other day on the Bay Bridge, which is between Oakland and San Francisco.
	There was a naked woman opening fire onto random passers-by, and she did surrender to the police.
	I'm surprised they didn't just start opening fire on her, but I guess it's because she was black that they didn't.
	So interesting stuff.
	I don't feel safe here.
	No kidding.
	Man, I'd run her down if I was in the car.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Some psychopaths walking around with a gun shooting at people.
	Yeah, just run them down.
	Just get in your biggest truck possible and mow them down.
	That's my thing.
	But what sequence of events led this fat, black American woman to be like, you know what?
	I'm going to walk down the highway with a gun and start shooting at people.
	What's going on in her head?
	It's got to be drugs, isn't it?
	I mean, it must be.
	Everything in America just seems to be ruined by drugs.
	The level of Massive mental health crisis.
	Drugs and massive mental health crisis, and over easy access to firearms.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I don't know about that.
	Like, yeah, I mean, the whole thing combined is a gross problem, isn't it?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I just watched that terrifying program, uh, 11 minutes about the, uh, the shooter, um, at the Las Vegas country and Western thing.
	Um, it's, it's, it's horrific and it's terrifying how quickly it all happened.
	The other thing which I was really impressed with it was, was the motivation of the police officers on the ground to, to get into that room and stop the guy.
	Oh, the, the, um, what's his name?
	The...
	I can't remember the name.
	What?
	The guy's name, the shooter.
	No, no, well, I don't know.
	Actually, this is one of the interesting things about the program 11 minutes.
	They never mentioned his name.
	Oh, right.
	They talk, they talk about the names of the victims, talk about the names of the police, et cetera.
	But on purpose, they don't mention his name.
	One of the things that he did was he Googled apparently, um, how do I become a, how do I become a superstar?
	How do I become an internet sensation?
	So they took the decision, which I think is right, not to mention his name.
	Did they explain how he got so much equipment up to?
	No, they didn't.
	Right.
	That's weird, isn't it?
	It is very, very weird.
	It is very, very weird.
	And I'm not discounting, you might be surprised, uh, the possibility that there's more to it because it went away very, very quickly, didn't it?
	Yeah.
	So I agree in principle about the not mentioning his name and glory.
	I get that.
	What was the name of the bloody hotel?
	It was the Mandalay Bay.
	Mandalay Bay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I can't remember the guy's name now.
	But, um, but yeah, the whole thing is deeply sus and I looked into it at the time and I was just like, right.
	Well, it is odd.
	I will give you that.
	It is very, very odd that so little has been spoken about it.
	I mean, could it be that it was just a lone lunatic with access to a ton of guns?
	It could be.
	I mean, he was never caught, was he?
	He committed suicide by the time, yeah, well they did catch him.
	They captured his corpse.
	I can't remember.
	It's been years.
	You remember the police actually leaked the images on 4chan as well?
	Oh did they?
	Yeah, someone in charge of it took photos of the whole hotel room.
	The whole thing's totally sarsaparilla.
	Anyway.
	Go to the next one.
	Hey, I just watched the Lotus Eaters episode with Lois McClatchy.
	Really, really good episode.
	Thanks for putting it on, guys.
	In one of the videos I released recently on YouTube and Rumble, Zelda is the Perfect Woman, I asked the question, where are the stories for girls that espouse good values, motherhood, things like that?
	Maybe somebody should suggest to Lois and her colleagues that they produce a list of such stories.
	Good question.
	Lois isn't here so we can't really give her that title.
	Where would you find such stories these days anyway?
	Well, maybe we're about to find out!
	A riddle for you.
	What does the bible, classic comic books and fairy tales have in common?
	They are all tales of morality, made to instruct people how to live, to live a good fulfilling life.
	Humans have known this for thousands of years, the powers of stories, and thus the duty of a storyteller to tell these good morals and instruct young children.
	And that's why Hollywood needs to burn in hell!
	Just as a quick thing, all stories are tales of morality.
	Like every single story is a morality tale.
	And Hollywood knows this and has inverted the good and the bad.
	And so they are not just unaware of this, yet they're deliberately telling stories to undermine traditional morality.
	On that, we can most definitely agree, Con.
	Yes.
	Right.
	That's pretty much it, isn't it?
	Uh, we have a minute left.
	Oh, okay.
	Um, well, a couple of people say, uh, good to have Harry Miller on again.
	You have a lot of great guests, but Harry is always a joy.
	Um, and there are, there are, there are a few others.
	The writers shouting for their cuts have the same energy as women's sports teams demanding equal pay.
	You're probably already getting paid far more than the value you're actually producing.
	Omar is always cutting, always cutting like he's and he's spot on.
	I suppose we'll end on that note as well.
	But if people want to go find you, Harry, I think John has loaded the SOP for you.
	So people can go for a hangout on Twitter.
	Yeah, and we at We Are Fair Cop go there.
	I mean, we still do what we do.
	We're about to take on the CPS.
	We're taking on Leicestershire Police Force.
	We're taking on Lincolnshire Police Force.
	We're taking on Suffolk Police Force.
	We're doing a whole bunch of stuff because whilst the police continue in their nuttiness, Fair Cop's going to be there battering their backsides at every opportunity.
	I promise you.
	Excellent.
	Otherwise, um, come back for the Gold Tear Zoom call, or just go and check out stuff on the website, I guess.

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