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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #701

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	Good afternoon, folks.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 20th of July, 2023.
	I'm joined by Kelly J Keane, otherwise known as Posey Parker.
	How are you?
	Hi, I'm great.
	How are you?
	Really good.
	And today we're going to be talking about how we should be punching turfs, how Nigel Farage got absolutely stitched up and how one local feminist is trying to understand men.
	Oh, yeah.
	Do you think she's going to succeed?
	I don't know.
	Who is she?
	Caitlin Moran?
	Oh no, I think she's aptly named.
	No.
	Not a fan of her.
	I think she's been a coward on this issue after supposedly being a woman that talks about anything and made her name as this working class hero.
	And she's barely mentioned this issue, which I think is the whole Turfie thing.
	You know, I've got a bit of a defense on that.
	But anyway, let's let's begin.
	So it was recently on the 8th of July, London Trans Pride Day had a parade.
	Thank goodness, because for the whole month of June, we'd forgotten that they existed.
	We just don't speak about them enough.
	It's terrible.
	Did you go?
	Um, yeah, I identified as an attendee, so... It's probably actually dangerous for you to go.
	Oh, it would be 100% dangerous for me to go, yeah.
	We're not going to be able to put this segment on YouTube, so the men there would probably attack you, wouldn't they?
	Yeah, I mean, with or without a skirt, 100%.
	Crazy world we live in, isn't it?
	And also it's justified.
	I think that what's worse, people have always behaved really, really badly, right?
	I'm sure both you and I know in our personal lives, people that behave really, really badly, but now they're stunning and brave.
	You know, someone who says, I want to kill a tough is a stunning and brave, so stunning and so brave woman.
	Yeah.
	And they get given platforms, national platforms to spew this love speech.
	Especially in the Labour Party.
	Yeah.
	But before we go on, if you want to support us, go to lowcees.com, watch my Why Ideology is Theology video where I explain why these people are basically religious.
	Because essentially I think that they are.
	I'm not going to spoil it.
	Go and watch it.
	So let's see if this works.
	Great.
	Okay.
	So I looked up London Trans Pride because some interesting things happened there.
	But the point of it, they say, was to celebrate the memory of trans lives taken and uphold the next generation of trans revolutionaries.
	I think we did some research about, in the last 10 years, more people identifying as trans have murdered people in this country than have been murdered.
	I would love to see the figures.
	I will find the figures.
	But come on, we know that if there had genuinely been people with trans identities murdered in this country, it would be news for weeks.
	So we know that some people with trans identities have been murdered.
	But we don't know that they've been murdered because of that identity.
	Well, the only example that they can give is Brianna Gay, who was a trans schoolgirl who was stabbed to death in February.
	But the police, if you look that up, they say, well, there's no evidence it was a hate crime.
	It was just kids stabbing each other.
	They just do that.
	Yeah, and all too often they do it, unfortunately.
	But we know that the kids being killed in London are black boys.
	We don't assume it's because they are black.
	We just think it's a terrible scourge on humanity, really, and on this country that anyone is able to get away with it quite so frequently.
	I just think it's fatherlessness, to be honest.
	Well, I'm inclined to agree.
	But anyway, so, this was a protest about the harrowing oppression of the trans community, and you're aware, undoubtedly, but maybe the audience aren't, of just how Open they are with the messaging.
	This is the sort of thing that you'll see.
	This was a particular protest in Scotland.
	I believe that's a Scottish, what's a Scottish Parliament person called?
	MSP.
	MSP, that's it.
	I believe that in the front there on the left, that's an MSP behind a decapitate turfs sign.
	Oh, they're so happy though.
	And then I Eat Turfs are also behind.
	And actually these are not unusual.
	So in many a protest, um, or, well, goodness knows what they're protesting.
	They're totally normal, actually.
	I mean, here's the one, this was from Canada.
	Don't know where this was, but I love the, I love the sort of a kill the boa that's been adopted here.
	The, the genocidal African nationalists, uh, rhetoric.
	They're so beautiful.
	It's so warm and buzzy.
	Wonderful stuff.
	But yeah, not unusual.
	No, and so one of the speeches went viral because one trans activist, well, let's hear it in their own words.
	My name's Sarah Jane Baker.
	I run an organisation called the Trans Prisoner Alliance.
	There's over a thousand transgender prisoners and we're counting on you out here, right?
	Listen, there are some really bad transgender prisoners.
	There f***ing are.
	I'm not going to lie to you.
	But there's about 980 of us who are just trying to live our lives behind bars, without testicles, I love that.
	and out of prison against our will.
	Well, I was gonna come here and be really fluffy and be really nice and say, yeah, be really lovely and queer and gay.
	Nah, if you see a turf, punch him in the face. - I love that.
	If you see a turf, punch him in the face.
	I'm a woman. - I mean, he is an extraordinary woman.
	And when he says without testicles, you know, not every... Well, we'll get to that in a second, if that's alright.
	We'll come back to the... Let's do that.
	Yes, the... Anyway, so Sarah Jane Baker has a website.
	As you can see, she's... She?
	He?
	I mean, I don't even know at this point, but Making Britain Queer Again.
	Yeah, I say he.
	Well, I never use words that these people want.
	So it's a he, and he's been to a couple of my events.
	And then he's done sort of He does this thing, it's really sinister where he pretends he's reaching out in a friendly tone to me.
	So he sent me a lot, uh, not a lot.
	He sent me a couple of messages directly to me, uh, for me to hear, which as soon as I, I mean, I don't engage with any of this, but, um, yeah, he's, he's certainly, he's certainly someone I think it would be healthy to be afraid of.
	Well, I mean, yes.
	And you'll understand why in a minute.
	In fact, chat.
	So I looked at the about section.
	This person is a violinist, the founder of the Trans Prisoner Alliance, a journalist and author and artist and intersectional activist and Britain's longest serving transgender prisoner.
	Hmm.
	I spent 30 years in male prisons.
	I now tirelessly campaign for environmental justice as well as feminist and transgender rights.
	So yeah, why did they spend 30 years in prison?
	I guess the British state just really hates trannies.
	According to right-wing rag The Daily Mail though, they were originally jailed for kidnapping and torturing their stepmother's brother.
	Gosh, that's definitely a sign of being oppressed, isn't it?
	And then at 21, she, as the Daily Mail doesn't want to misgender, was convicted of attempted murder for breaking into another prisoner's cell and trying to strangle him to death.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	And so they carry on telling us more about this person's life that really makes them sound like they're level-headed and being unjustly treated.
	Uh, they went on the Anything Goes podcast with James English in 2020 and described how she had always felt uncomfortable in a male body.
	And in December, 2017, resorted to drastic measures by cutting off their own testicles and, and eating them.
	That's not in this article.
	That's, that's definitely, I wouldn't fake my, I wouldn't put my life on it, but I, I've read that far too many times and I'm pretty sure I've read it in print.
	So I don't think I'm risking defamation.
	But we'll say allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't even think Ant and Dec were in the prison.
	I think this is just a free thing that happened.
	So yeah.
	I mean, that's mad.
	Like, this is the sort of person who would have been sectioned.
	Yeah, quite rightly.
	I mean, seriously, a clinically disturbed individual.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I don't know what's happened to them to make them that way, and I'm sure that there's a very sorrowful backstory to all this, but you did kidnap and torture someone, tried to murder someone else, and then cut off your own balls and allegedly eat them.
	Yeah.
	I think you should be locked up away from other people.
	I mean, how did that person get out of prison on license?
	Like if there was a chance that you could have kept him in, how on earth is he out on the streets?
	Why isn't this person receiving psychiatric care?
	Well, who does in these fragile times?
	I suppose.
	But I mean, he says, I've been diagnosed with a personality disorder and one of my risk factors is being impulsive.
	I bet.
	It was an impulsive decision that I made to take a prism razor blade at two o'clock in the morning and remove my testicles.
	Sounds pretty impulsive.
	I mean, that's one way of describing it.
	The scary thing is that he has attended rallies in which he has joined in a very aggressive and intimidating mob against women.
	And the police know who he is.
	It's not like they have no idea who he is.
	That should be, that should have always been enough to put him back inside.
	And apparently it wasn't.
	So there's just, I wonder if he'd not cut his own testicles off and pretended to be a woman.
	I wonder if he would be given as much leeway just as a ordinary, well, maybe not ordinary is a dodgy word, but as a, as just a bloke, whether he would be given quite so much latitude.
	Well, as a bloke, I'm telling you, no, he wouldn't.
	No, I don't think so.
	You'd be treated like a maniac and locked up.
	Yeah.
	I'm rightly so.
	Yeah, of course.
	But yeah, Baker learned to read and write in prison and eventually wrote a book called Transgender Behind Prison Walls.
	She now campaigns on trans issues, sometimes appearing topless at marches.
	Stunning and brave.
	At least not bottomless, I suppose.
	And is a supporter of eco groups Extinction Rebellion and Insulate Hand in hand.
	They go hand in hand.
	They do, though.
	Yeah, they do.
	They absolutely do.
	It's really, I was gonna say peculiar, but actually it's exactly what I expected.
	Yeah, of course, yeah.
	The self-declared trans anarchist They've also announced their intention to run to become an MP for Richmond in the next election.
	I don't know if that's going to happen anymore, but he's a good friend of the Labour Party.
	I mean, Labour politicians have stood beside him.
	And then, not even after they found out who he was, and maybe they knew all along, nobody said, FYI, I'm not big on torturing people.
	Or, I'm not going to stand next to that person who is a violent Yeah, but that's because the Labour Party are kind of trapped in the paradigm where they have to be like, well, that was due to socioeconomic factors.
	They tortured someone and cut off his own knackers.
	Yeah, I must say when I'm depressed, I often... Yeah, when I'm unemployed, I'm just like, well, you've driven me to it.
	Anyway, so I went and had a look at Mumsnet on this and I thought this was hilarious.
	How do you feel about Mumsnet?
	How do Mumsnet feel about you?
	Oh, I'm banned.
	Oh, yeah, because I. Oh, who's the one?
	She's had a baby, Stella Creasy, who talks about having a baby all the time because nobody else has ever had one.
	Yeah.
	And she took a baby into Parliament, which let me just say, I think is a really bad thing because then it sort of says to other women that you're a bit of a letdown if you don't drag your baby into work.
	And I've never seen a baby on the checkout in Tesco.
	It's also inappropriate, right?
	It's really inappropriate.
	No, like have some time.
	You want a lot of money.
	Yeah.
	Like have a bit of time off.
	Anyway, so Stella Creasy was going on to Mumsnet and everybody was asking her two turfy sort of questions and I said, what is a woman?
	And if you answer, I'll drink a bottle of Prosecco through my nose.
	Didn't have to drink that Prosecco, did you?
	No, and also I was then banned, permanently, properly banned.
	Right, that's interesting because I wanted to ask you about that because I've heard that Mumsnet is a turf hive.
	It is, but they are still quite careful with moderation because the trans activists are lunatics and they will repeatedly target advertisers on Mumsnet and Mumsnet is a business.
	Right.
	Well, I mean, Mumsnet wasn't happy with this person.
	One person said, imagine what the response would be if a gender critical stood on stage and said, if you see a trans woman, knee him in the balls.
	Now, that wouldn't work.
	Well, 95% of them do have their testicles.
	I mean, whether, you know, some of them obviously are starving and they still have their testicles.
	Hmm.
	Anyway, so the organizers of Trans Pride, uh, came out to defend themselves and they replied on Instagram for some reason, because I mean, do you have an Instagram account?
	I do.
	Yeah.
	Oh, right.
	You're allowed one, right?
	Yeah.
	I'm not on it much and I'm not allowed to advertise or promote anything.
	I'm just, you can't even search my name on Instagram, but I do have an account, but you're not allowed to find it.
	But anyway, they came out and said this, and I thought it was just genuinely interesting.
	Because normally, I mean, imagine if this was like Tommy Robinson goes up on a stage and is like, punch a Muslim in the face, you know?
	He'd be in a lot of trouble and he'd be forced to, you know, he'd be departed from everything like he has been.
	But also the people who organized the event would have to disavow him completely, right?
	100%, yeah.
	Instead, these people say, quote, we are not denying that this was said and happened on our stage, but it is a telling sign of your publication and your positioning towards trans plus lives and trans plus rights, to pick this specific moment out of all the speeches that were shared.
	The choice to reference and or center in your reporting on this specific moment shows whose interests you are catering to.
	Tommy had replied with this.
	Would you like to condemn your readers who actively spread hate and incite violence on trans folk as is apparent in many of the comments to responses to your articles online?
	Uh right so that's uh yeah we know it happened and we think you're the bad guy.
	It's interesting, isn't it, that he literally incites violence, like by the legal and otherwise definition.
	But apparently saying that I don't think men should be in women's changing rooms is actually inciting violence.
	I mean, I guess, you know, you mentioned the whole theology and ideology, and I'm I'm a, uh, theology graduate and I, although also an atheist, um, but I say that, and forever atheist, gold star.
	Um, but it's so dogmatic that they can't nothing now, nothing can be, uh, you can't chip away at any of this because it all falls apart.
	So I, I get why they have to do this constant mental gymnastics to.
	Pretend that things aren't the way they are.
	And hopefully they're just going so far that everybody else can see it.
	Well, I mean, they do finish off with their statement saying, we do not condone violence, but we don't condemn violence either.
	Which is interesting.
	We do not back a call to arms for violence of any kind.
	We do condone righteous anger and the right to free speech that was expressed yesterday.
	We will have and continue to march in peace, in love, rage and power, London Trans Pride.
	Love, rage and power.
	They're just so poetic and eloquent though, aren't they?
	Wow.
	Don't you just want your children to attend this?
	To go rage and threaten to punch women in the face.
	Just also, we don't condone violence or back a call to violence, but we condone righteous anger.
	Well, what righteous anger are you talking about?
	The other incitement to violence?
	Like, what?
	I don't even know what they're talking about.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, they're being deliberately evasive because they do.
	In their hearts.
	Uh, appreciate that this person stood up on the stage and said it, in my opinion.
	But they know that if they came out and said, Sarah Jane Baker said something that we totally disagree with, we would never condone.
	Then the community would be down.
	A hundred percent.
	There's someone in that comment just now that was like, "We love USGB." There's a quote that goes around the internet that is, "Communists are Communism is when deformed freaks get together and take all of the good things off normal people.
	Everything else is just window dressing.
	And that's basically what this is.
	It is.
	This is what this is.
	I'd love to.
	I don't expect I'll be around in like 50 or 100 years, but I'd love to see how if the human race did exist, if we haven't all been slowed down to the point of death by stop oil.
	Um, but I wonder how we will reflect on this spell.
	I mean, maybe we'll say, well, that was the end.
	That was the end of civilization as we knew it.
	Yeah.
	But this, well, we've got history to look at.
	And in new eras, they do look back on things that have happened and go, wow, that was mad.
	Just simply mental.
	Yeah.
	And this is one of those times.
	I mean, in the second century, the Pope at the time had to issue a papal bull against Christians castrating themselves.
	Because this is not a new phenomenon.
	No.
	And it may well be that, like, there is always a segment of the population that wants to be neutral and neuter.
	And so they just find a justification to do it.
	So who knows?
	But anyway, Pink News, of course, took the most charitable reading of London Trans Pride's wonderful statement.
	Yeah.
	And they decided, hmm, we need to ask some people for their opinions to bolster London Trans Pride.
	And then we've got Peter Tatchell on the phone.
	Not a fan of his?
	Not a fan of anyone who talks about nine-year-olds having sex with adults and trying to make that okay.
	I mean, call me old-fashioned.
	That is pretty conservative.
	So uber right-wing.
	If it is, then yes.
	Okay.
	And that's just the way it is.
	But he says, Oh, and this toxic anti-trans atmosphere is important.
	We stand together in solidarity with the trans community.
	There can be no LGBT, uh, LGB without T united.
	We are stronger, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But anyway, so, uh, the very same person got arrested because actually that is incitement to violence and we still do have laws.
	Uh, what's interesting though, Is that for some reason the Telegraph, uh, say that a person whose name who cannot be named for legal reasons was filmed calling for protesters to punch turfs in the face.
	While you'll notice that I took the video from the Telegraph's YouTube channel with their logo all over it.
	And the person says, my name is Sarah Baker.
	I want to punch turfs in the face, Telegraph logo.
	And they're like, we can't be named for legal reasons.
	So gutless, aren't they?
	This whole, I think it so needs, um, rebuilding from the bottom up.
	Yeah, but it's just also, you do have a video where they name themselves with your branding on it, on your YouTube channel, where they commit the crime that for some reason now you can't say for legal reasons.
	So it's like, what's this fig leaf?
	Well, also, I've heard that he's actually gone straight back.
	I've heard that he's gone back to prison.
	And I've heard it's a men's prison.
	Right.
	So that's quite a good... But that took a lot of women complaining to Swilla Braverman.
	Yeah.
	No, no, it is Swilla Braverman.
	But anyway, Sadiq Khan came out in support of the trans community in this trying time where one of their members said, punch women in the face.
	And it was like, oh, that's terrible for the trans community.
	He says he is a proud LGBTQI plus ally and has been clear in his support for the trans community.
	He's also clear that violence is never acceptable.
	So he's straddling that fence.
	So yeah, that was nice.
	We were also told an initial report to the Met over inciting violence contained where an officer told a complainant that it was not in the public interest to pursue the case.
	Yeah.
	I think that's in writing as well.
	So yes, they did.
	They said that the call for violence was quote, hypothetical.
	And part of free speech.
	I think they said.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So calling for violence now can be just brushed off as being hypothetical and just a part of free speech anyway.
	So if I hypothetically, well, you know, I might hypothetically go and steal some Chanel handbags this afternoon, hypothetically.
	Incite other people to go and raid some sort of designer shop, hypothetically.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's... Do police actually know?
	I don't think police know the law anymore.
	I don't think they're paid to know the law.
	I think they're paid to appease Twitter activists, actually.
	Well, as you well know, police came around to my house because I was untoward about pedophiles.
	Yes!
	Peter Thatcher was fuming.
	Get her boys, get her!
	I mean, they clearly misspoke, right?
	But just to utter those words, to say those words, oh, well, we've heard you were untoward about pedophiles.
	And I was like, well, I think of all the groups.
	It was trending after that because it was like, well, a lot of people are actually.
	And actually that seems to be the moral position to adopt.
	I was like untoward.
	I reckon of all the people untoward, I can be untoward about.
	And how is being untoward about anyone a crime?
	It's just, I mean, to waste.
	And also they, so my daughter was in my office, which is in the, in the front of my house.
	And my daughter was in my office and she was 15 at the time and they asked her her name and what she was doing, which didn't make me best pleased.
	Yeah.
	Well, exactly.
	But we have, fortunately, we have a police force, I think, which is one of the many where they've had to address male police officers' behaviour towards female victims of crime and trying to date them, send them flowers, that sort of stuff.
	Okay.
	Anyway, we have a video of that person being, the unnamed person, being arrested.
	And honestly, I thought it was genuinely quite hilarious.
	You're under arrest on suspicion of inciting violence.
	You do not have to say anything that may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned, something which you later rely on in court.
	Anything you do say may be given as evidence.
	The necessity for the rest is to conduct a prompt and effective investigation and to prevent any further attempted harm to yourself or anybody else.
	Have you got any response that you'd like to call out?
	Yes.
	Trans rights are human rights.
	One struggle, one fight.
	Come on.
	That is funny though, isn't it?
	Have you got anything to say?
	Trans rights are human rights.
	One struggle, one fight.
	Oh, shut up.
	I was going to say, go cut your balls off.
	Are you going to play the rest of this?
	Yeah, yeah, I'll play the rest of it.
	I just wanted to pause it on that because it was funny.
	Just look at the face.
	Come on, man.
	You know that you are so far off the reservation at this point, but anyway.
	Feel free to have some while we go down to Charing Cross Police Station.
	And if you want to have someone follow you down, you're more than welcome to.
	And in custody, so I can sort of explain everything from there.
	I'm just going to hold your arm on the way down, so I don't want you to fall over or anything like that.
	I wasn't treated this well.
	I've been arrested.
	Trans rights are human rights.
	They won't get rid of us.
	Our existence is our resistance.
	You remember that.
	I really want to know what a trans right is.
	It's the right to demand that you, um...
	That you have the same deluded belief about who they are as they do.
	Well, that's the thing.
	I asked people this on Twitter and the only thing I ever heard is to go into the bathroom of the opposite sex.
	But I don't have the right to do that.
	No one's got the right to do that.
	So what are you asking for?
	There's no health care.
	And really what health care means is unlike other people in this country who might have to wait for health care, non-urgent health care.
	Um, they don't want to wait.
	So they want, you know, they want their fake breasts as soon as they can pop enough pills.
	Even if there is a genuine HRT shortage for women, um, they want their cross-sex hormones, which they also call HRT, which I think is a misnomer anyway, because it's not replacing anything.
	Well, that's a fair point.
	But that's probably also freely available on the NHS that I have to pay for.
	Yeah.
	So what are they warning about?
	They can never explain it.
	No, they just want to demand that we all have to kind of fall in with the lie.
	That's what the trans rights are.
	I didn't mean to interrupt, but I knew you knew who this person was.
	This person called me hard right on Twitter the other day.
	Yeah.
	And?
	What now?
	You're a communist and you're mad!
	He's actually quite right.
	I would say, before he sort of realized that he wasn't going to get any jobs anymore, he was a little more honest.
	Oh, I know Suze, by the way, personally.
	And he was on a program, BBC Women's Hour, talking about how disgusting it was that women didn't shave their legs and how they shouldn't be able to be waitresses if they didn't shave their legs.
	And so he's really quite He's not the sort of lefty kind of liberal, I don't have an opinion on that, but he's not who he's pretending to be.
	Right, right.
	I would say he's probably further right than But when you adopt the mask, you have to take on all of the beliefs.
	Yeah.
	So now you're a communist, basically, whether you like it or not.
	But I just thought we'd finish this off by looking at just how bonkers these people are, right?
	So this person called India Willoughby says, calling someone a trans-identified male rather than simply a woman is about as transphobic as it gets, if you say so.
	You okay with this, Philip Birney?
	She knows what she's doing, and so do you.
	Navarro, no, I can't pronounce, that is wrong.
	Someone who transitions is factually and legally a biological woman.
	In fact, I mean legally, perhaps, because laws can be made to say anything.
	Yeah.
	Factually.
	I mean, I agree with him.
	Don't call them trans-identified males.
	Call them men.
	Yes.
	So in many ways, Willoughby and I are on the same page.
	But here's where I think you might diverge.
	Biology absolutely changes.
	My body chemistry is more female than Martina's.
	I don't believe he believes it though.
	Well, he's, I mean, prove it.
	With Willoughby, like many of these men, what they don't tell you is that their own families, um, have found it very difficult.
	So when he, well, he had a 16 year old boy when he, son, when he came out as, Actually, when he pretended to be a woman, when he started pretending to be a woman.
	Um, and I just can't, I can't imagine doing anything so selfish as to inflict your own sort of deluded fantasy on your, on your kids.
	Yeah, it's awful.
	Really bad.
	I mean, especially for a son as well to watch their father.
	Well, if it's a daughter, then that can't be good either.
	Well, so it's, it's horrendous if it's a son.
	So that, that brings its own kind of damage and, and, uh, fallout.
	But when it's a daughter, often what they do is they, uh, decide that they're going to be women when their daughters go through puberty.
	And then they might ask daughters things like, Oh, our breasts are growing.
	My breasts are growing.
	Yours are growing.
	Uh, they'll talk about periods and stuff and, and they really bring their daughter into their whole.
	Fantasy.
	So the two peak times that these men might come out as pretending to be women is when their wives are pregnant, because that's joyful, or when their daughters go through puberty.
	Well, my wife's had four kids, uh, you know, like trying to steal the thunder during the pregnancy.
	I don't think that would have gone down well.
	No, I suspect it wouldn't.
	No.
	Uh, and it's, like you said, it's really selfish.
	Yeah, really, really.
	Yeah.
	But these compulsions are, they, they take over their lives.
	Um, and I'm not saying that it's any less selfish.
	I think selfishness and narcissism is part of the whole, it's part of the whole identity.
	No, I agree.
	Um, right.
	Well, we'll leave that there.
	Uh, I wish I'd got the Katie Montgomery tweets on now.
	I can't bear Colin.
	I should have just got a bunch of prominent trans people's Twitter accounts and just had to roast each one.
	Anyway, so they lied about Nigel Farage and why he was debunked.
	Can you believe the truth?
	It was bad.
	It's really bad.
	It's worse.
	It's worse when you learn the truth, actually.
	So it's disgusting.
	And I think it was Richard Tice that was saying that he's now going to get a Freedom of Information to find out why his bank accounts have been cancelled.
	And I think everybody should do it.
	Oh, yeah.
	And we bailed them out.
	Yeah.
	We made sure they didn't.
	They got their bonuses because I paid taxes, and now they're like, yeah, Nigel Forrest paid taxes, and now they're like, yeah, but you can't have a bank account with us.
	I just feel like we own you, actually.
	Well, honestly, I'm not against the nationalization of some of these banks at this point.
	I actually don't care about them at all, and I don't want to hear any free market BS.
	No, these banks can get the heel.
	Uh, but anyway, before we go on, go and watch Dan's fantastic economic series, uh, where he explains money and finances and the necessity of having a bank account in the 21st century, because try living without one.
	Um, the, was it the prime minister of Hong Kong got debanked and she had to walk around with like massive bags of money.
	It's wild.
	I mean, I just, what I find interesting is that no matter what happens to someone, if you don't like them, apparently it's fine.
	Yeah.
	And some people are so short-sighted that they don't realize, look, if you allow these things to happen, the next people in charge might hate you.
	Yeah.
	So, and I'm sure I'm preaching to the converted.
	You absolutely are, but carry on.
	It's fine.
	It's just, I just think that freedom of speech, all these things, all these freedom things we talk about, it's not because it suits us.
	It's because it suits all of us, including our enemies and people that, you know, I'd probably like some people that I really loathe to have no money and no bank account and not be able to exist.
	Um, actually that's not true.
	I don't hate anyone.
	I don't actually feel that way about you.
	But it's, um, happening to him.
	Uh, I think when, and then people sort of discount discredit him and I'm like, look, he almost on his own convinced us to come out of the European union, whether you agree that that was a good idea or not, or whether it's worked or whether it hasn't or whatever, you cannot say that he isn't an important figure.
	He's one of them.
	He's beneath Tony Blair.
	He's probably the second most influential political figure in 21st century Britain.
	Yeah, I mean, we changed our whole way of doing politics.
	And I just, I find it really quite sinister when people are like, oh, yeah, well, he deserves it.
	And I hope it happens to you next.
	Well, yeah, absolutely.
	But it's not going to because the blade only ever cuts one way, doesn't it?
	But we know that banks are moral.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	We know banks are such moral bastions.
	They never invest in any dodgy things.
	There's no children in mines in Africa.
	Any bank has got anything to do with.
	Yeah, I'm not really a fan of taking lectures from bankers, weirdly.
	But anyway, a few months ago, Farage revealed that he'd been de-platformed a few months before that.
	Sorry, it was about a month ago, but with no explanation.
	And he believed his account was being shut down for political reasons as he was turned down by nine other lenders.
	And so the BBC decided, we're journalists.
	You know what journalists do?
	They ask the people who have been accused, is this true?
	And then take their word at face value.
	And that's all they did.
	They said people familiar with Coots, the bank is Coots by the way, Coots move said it was a commercial decision because the criteria for holding one of our accounts is to have at least a million pounds in the bank or three millions in savings.
	And Nigel Farage didn't and he didn't dispute that.
	And so they've just taken him down.
	And it's like, well, that doesn't sound like because I mean, Farage himself was like, well, they didn't have a problem with it for the last decade.
	Yeah.
	Why would they care now?
	And the BBC were like, yeah, but that's our job done.
	No more investigating for us.
	We're journalists, you see.
	And he also argued that other banks have refused to take him on as a customer on the grounds that he is a politically exposed person, which is a notion that has come from the European Union.
	Uh, which implies that all these people are risky, you know, possibly subject to bribery, things like this.
	No allegations have been made.
	No one's alleging that Farage has taken money from Russia or China or something like that.
	But they could, so maybe it's that.
	And so Farage was like, okay, well, that's a lie.
	I don't believe that's true.
	And they're like, no, no, no, no.
	We don't need to look into this any further.
	Except that actually there was a document released from Coots that the Mail Online got and published the entire thing.
	And this was their reason, internal reasons, for debanking Nigel Farage.
	It's quite remarkable.
	The scary thing is, how?
	We know that they've done a bad thing.
	Anybody who's not a complete and utter lunatic can understand what the implications of this are.
	But how did it happen?
	Did someone say, hey, do you know that Nigel Farage banks with us?
	Oh, let's do something about that.
	How did he become a topic of conversation?
	There's a committee in the bank.
	and the committee is staffed by woke people actually and in this they say that Nigel Farage is perceived to be a racist grifter And?
	Yeah, exactly.
	And there are lots of people who perceive themselves to be all sorts of things and perceive other people to be all sorts of things.
	Who cares?
	So are they saying there's nobody that banks with them that's remotely racist now?
	Who cares if there are?
	Well, I'm just saying, if your position is that you get rid of someone on the basis that they're a racist grifter, are you now saying that nobody who's ever, I don't know, swindled people through sort of market adjustments or whatever, are you saying that none of them banked with you?
	Yeah.
	George Soros destroyed the pound in the early 90s.
	He probably has a bank account with them.
	Also, I would imagine that lots of people that have done some sort of insider trading type things, who genuinely have defrauded people, probably bank with them.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, who ruin people.
	Yeah, like rich people, they manipulate stuff, right?
	And is that grift?
	I don't know.
	And I'm not saying that all rich people, not saying anything like that, but I think we know that there are mechanisms that people with a certain amount of wealth can use that I probably can't.
	Yeah.
	But these people didn't retweet transphobic Ricky Gervais jokes, whereas Nigel Farage did.
	It was the same when they took my billboard down.
	I just thought money talks.
	Money is quite an honest mechanism to find out.
	Or rather, it's quite honest.
	It doesn't ask you for your backstory.
	It will just take your money.
	And so when they took my billboard down, the frightening thing was that actually a cold, hard business decision was made that meant it was bad for them to have that up.
	And that's the same as this.
	Yes.
	I mean, you can see it from the statement there.
	The committee did not think continuing to bank Nigel Farage was compatible with Coots, given his publicly stated views that were at odds with our position as an inclusive organization.
	So this is...
	I don't have Rickage of Ace banks with them, actually.
	I wonder who he banks with?
	Well, that's a great question.
	But the point there, our position is an inclusive organisation.
	We are woke, because that's what the word inclusive is, a dog or something.
	And Nadja Farage is not woke and in fact is happy to violate the propriety of wokeness by saying trans women aren't women and making jokes about them or being a quote-unquote racist, whatever that's supposed to mean.
	And so they literally closed this account because they're woke.
	They wrote that down in their own internal memo in their own internal meetings.
	That was the reason they gave to themselves and the BBC just accepted the lie on face value.
	Well, I would like to see someone who's very good and very experienced in banking, who is not woke.
	I would like them to show where Coutt's money goes.
	I'm hoping it doesn't go anywhere near any weapons.
	But that's fine because it's not racist to bomb Palestinian children.
	You know, that's not transphobic and that's the only moral standard that they've got left at this point.
	Imagine, literally, arms dealers probably have bank accounts.
	Yeah, of course they do.
	All sorts of terrible people, you know, third world bloody dictators probably have bank accounts.
	People who make cluster bombs have bank accounts.
	Exactly, the idea that the banks are just smeared in evil are going to be like, hang on a second, we've got a particular way of gaining a moral high ground.
	I don't I don't take lectures from you people.
	I was there in 2008.
	I was there when it was called a credit crunch, before it became a massive crisis, before there were massive areas of violence.
	You had screwed up out of your own greed, and ruined the housing market, and nearly tanked the entire Western economy.
	Yes.
	You, and you're like, yeah, and you're sitting there, but Nigel Farage is a racist.
	He's a racist.
	Well, I don't care.
	But wokeness is all about that, isn't it?
	It's about surface level kind of virtue signaling as opposed to genuine goodness.
	Yes, yes.
	It's absolutely about that.
	And honestly, in 90% of the cases of someone who's woke, it's really to cover up their own badness.
	Like the previous Sarah Baker example.
	Sorry, you're a weird torturer.
	But you're woke, so now you're a good person?
	No, you're a bad person.
	You should go and join a monastery or something.
	Go spend your life sat on top of a rock in the middle of the Andes, meditating about your failure as a human being.
	But it's not just the individual, right?
	We know that people are terrible.
	We know that stupid people exist and evil people exist.
	But it's everybody else, it's the cheers he got.
	And it's the cheers that Coots have got.
	People are like, oh, I'm for the people, I stand with the corporate bank.
	We'll get to that in a second, actually.
	We'll get to exactly that.
	Who's on whose side here is just a very strange thing.
	But anyway, Nigel Farage wrote an article in The Telegraph, basically making the same points we have, saying, look, It's not about me.
	You could be next.
	We're sleeping into a China-style social credit system in which only those with the correct views are allowed to fully participate in society.
	That's totally true.
	This can't be allowed to stand.
	You would think, oh my god, hang on a second.
	I'm a member of the Labour Party.
	I care about the average working person who may get debunked for saying something on social media.
	Therefore, I should stand shoulder to shoulder with Nigel Farage and be like, no, conservatives do something.
	And no, absolutely not.
	The left are totally okay with this.
	You'll notice it's only the right-wing papers, quote-unquote, who are like, oh, hang on a second, this is bad, isn't it?
	You know, lying over Nigel Farage, that's not good.
	You know, being woke lefties and debunking a political rival, that seems to be sort of third-world behavior.
	Yeah.
	Sort of Brazil, we shouldn't be doing that.
	No, right?
	The only people who brought it up were people like Jacob Rees-Mogg, who I actually raised in Parliament.
	Grant Shapps, who is awful in every other way except for this.
	Yeah.
	And then just lots of other conservatives.
	David Davis.
	Yeah.
	David Davis, Sweller Braveman, people that Nigel Farage was retreating is just the conservatives.
	I did see a Labour Party, the deputy secretary of state on GB News saying, well, I mean, I forgot to put it in.
	But, you know, Rishi Sunak came out and was like, this is wrong.
	Nobody should be barred from using basic services.
	Yeah.
	Funny with the PM.
	I know, and he sort of said, we will look into it.
	No, mate, not we will look into it.
	I will sort this out.
	This will not happen another day while I'm Prime Minister.
	It's like he thinks he's in the opposition.
	Yeah.
	It's like he doesn't realize he's running the country.
	But, and Sweller-Braveman again, she's the Home Secretary.
	Could you do something about this?
	Like putting, putting, you know, what I consider to be a morally correct statement.
	Yeah.
	It is wrong that this has happened.
	You are also the Home Secretary, the current sitting government's Home Secretary.
	But this is the problem, right, with current politics.
	Everyone's more interested in not quite saying the wrong thing, so she hasn't committed herself to anything there.
	In her defence, she does say, I'm reviewing our policies at the Home Office.
	What about, I'm going to make sure this can't happen to another citizen and we're going to correct it for Mr Farage because what's happened to him is anti-British?
	Yes, yes.
	But the thing is, then it would have to be, it's not just Farage, is it?
	Now it's like, you know, the really right wing people like Britain First or whatever.
	All of these people would have to get their bank accounts back.
	It's like, well, to be honest, they should.
	Unless they've done something illegal against the bank's policy, then that's... I don't care if I like them or agree with them.
	They're entitled to have a bank account.
	And the way that the world is going is essentially a bank account is going to have to become a human right.
	We're going to go cashless and then you've got no money anywhere.
	Exactly.
	So it's going to have to be that you essentially, you know, you get a bank account, you keep it for life and nothing can happen to it.
	Or else you're looking at systemic injustices.
	And it's got to be that way.
	It's really scary.
	But anyway, finally, the Conservatives did say they were going to do something.
	I mean, they say a lot of things.
	you know whether anything happened but banks apparently face losing their license if they discriminate against customers based on political beliefs under plans being drawn up by the government the telegraph can reveal the thing is though how easy is it to prove that it was political not very right well i guess if it's well i guess it would be because what you could ask for is the legitimate reason with evidence
	So if I suddenly, if my bank suddenly cancels me tomorrow, then if I say to them, right, I would like you to show your evidence on, you know, maybe I was in my overdraft too long or whatever it is, or that I've taken money from Russia and you can prove it.
	Then, other than that, there should only be set reasons why they can cancel your bank account.
	Sure.
	But, like, in this case, if Nigel Farage didn't have someone from Coots leak him the document, He wouldn't know.
	And the BBC would have reported, well, it was just this way.
	You know, it was just, you didn't have a million in there.
	And I was like, no, I had 600,000 or something.
	I don't know.
	You know, it was never a problem before.
	I was like, well, too bad.
	You know, and there would have been no justice in this case.
	And if it was just a normal person, I mean, there were other people who could be banked.
	There was a Yorkshire pastor who was like, you know, who said something on social media about transgenderism or something.
	And they were like, no, you're gone.
	He doesn't have the same connections as your franchise.
	No.
	So he can't get the internal documents.
	So how does he know?
	Well, I mean, trying to deal with any provider of any service in this country is, is like pulling teeth anyway.
	So certainly if they've decided to close you off, they're not going to be talking to you and nobody's going to say, well, you're a racist.
	Or actually you said this about that.
	They're just going to, often it's going to be compute says no.
	Yeah, that's exactly what it's going to be.
	And you're going to have no particular recourse.
	So it just has to be essentially prevented from ever really happening.
	Really, what it should be is a legal mechanism done by the government, right?
	As in, they have taken money, they've taken a bribe from Russia or something.
	Okay, now it's a legal issue.
	And the government instructs the bank to take down that person's account for legal reasons.
	The bank shouldn't be allowed to just be like, yeah, we just don't like you.
	Yeah, there should be a process, I agree.
	Yeah, but anyway, we'll leave that one there.
	Oh, final thing on it, apparently payment service providers will also be told not to discriminate against customers on the basis of belief.
	Apparently.
	Whether this goes anywhere, whether the Conservative government actually do something with that ATC majority, no one can know, but at least Nigel Farage has done some good generally for people who are interested in talking about politics.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	This is a really good, whether you like him or not, this is just good for the average person to have this stuff moving in this direction.
	So good for Nigel.
	Well, the more they accuse him of things that I think are not true, the more I like the man, to be honest.
	Yeah, I found that when I was like in 2015, 2016, there's a lot more left wing than I am now.
	And there are, you can't like Nigel Farage, he's racist.
	But I was like, but whenever he speaks, I'm like, yeah, I agree with him.
	You know, the EU is awful.
	Things are going terribly.
	He needs to change.
	I mean, he's not wrong.
	Anyway, so Caitlin Moran is a feminist and she's been a feminist for a long time.
	And I remember many years ago, like reading her feminist agitprop and thinking, okay, well, you know, I probably did videos in response to things like that.
	You're a proud feminist yourself.
	I am!
	And she has turned around on this.
	From the position of someone who has won the game and said, ah, maybe we should help out the losers.
	The losers obviously being men.
	And so now she's trying to understand why men are losing.
	And I just thought we'd go through some of it because I think it's quite amusing.
	Go for it.
	Before we begin, I think men and women are different.
	Me too.
	Crazy.
	Mad.
	Like, who knew?
	Yeah, well, actually, that's a great question.
	Who knew?
	Well, it turns out that 5,000 years ago, they knew, as the Sumerians wrote a story down called the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is really about two guys struggling with mortality.
	Uh, and so it's very interesting how they knew even back then that men and women are different.
	And so we spent four hours talking about this basically, but I'm really, it's sort of our epic of this epic, but it's a really great story.
	And I definitely check, uh, insist you go and check out our breakdown of it, because honestly, this is the best work we've ever done.
	So anyway, let's go on to Caitlin Moran.
	So Caitlin says five years ago, she started saying this, right?
	It's five.
	So feminism has won that long ago, right?
	Feminism conquered the West at least five years ago, and it's been downhill ever since, frankly.
	But anyway, she says the future of feminism should be women helping men.
	Well, I'm not a feminist, so I didn't.
	It's just interesting, isn't it?
	Suddenly it's like looking down upon the peasants.
	She's middle class though.
	I would, I would say the future of feminism should be trying to eradicate the world of porn.
	Like if you want to save society, you want to save relations.
	That's a very conservative position.
	Well, if you want to save relation, I'm not saying, look, I'm a free speech absolutist.
	I think that, um, when it comes to porn, I think there is a case to say that it is harmful.
	Both for those who view it and those who have to live amongst people that watch copious amounts of it.
	I think it's really damaging.
	It's the reason that Cardi B did WAP.
	You know, it's a pornification of our culture.
	So I would say that maybe that would save men a lot quicker.
	It'd probably help women as well.
	If they weren't just degraded into pornographic objects.
	Absolutely, and also I think it would make girls think that actually there is a choice of how to woman and that isn't either be some sort of porn star or have your breast cut off and pretend that you're not a woman at all.
	Yeah, there's a healthy middle ground here.
	Again, it's just very traditional to say you could be respectable and admired by men without being degraded by them.
	I think I personally think this is her distraction to stop talking about the fact that so many men pretend to be women.
	She doesn't discuss it.
	She doesn't, but you know, honestly, I think what it is, is that she, she's in her forties now and she's got some sons and she's watching them grow up.
	And she's like, hang on a second.
	Everyone seems to hate my sons for being white male.
	You know, I think that, Oh God, what's gone on.
	Hang on a second.
	Why are they being persecuted?
	And it's like, yeah, you never saw it until it happened.
	Someone you care about, but you were doing it your entire career, you know?
	And she admits this as well.
	No, I talk to feminists a lot.
	I'm not one.
	And they will say what they don't want men to be.
	And I'm like, OK, great.
	What do you want them to be like?
	What do you, cause I want my husband to go downstairs if there's a noise, right?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And I want my sons to both treat their girlfriends with respect.
	So we've just been on holiday as a family and the two girlfriends of my sons are like 21 and 20 and their girlfriends came with us and they're respectful and lovely and, um, just really decent boys.
	Uh, but that's been really difficult because actually decent boys from some Groups of boys in school will, if you're decent, then you can deserve a kicking, but you don't want to be, you don't want to be feminine as a boy.
	You don't want to be weak, but you don't want to be, you know, I don't know what we want from these young men.
	Although my kids have managed it.
	I think you're completely on the money, but notice that feminism doesn't know what it wants for women either.
	It's actually got no life plan for women as women.
	It's got a life plan for women as kind of aspirational men.
	It's like, you need to become a CEO.
	You need to become strong and independent and empowered, and you need to beat the boys at their own game.
	It's like, okay, but what do women do as women?
	How does that translate into the kind of dress that a woman wears in order to command a room?
	You know, like, you know, none of, none of the actual, like, uh, the textual as a woman emanates at all in feminism.
	And so it's no wonder these women are like, I'll become a whore then.
	It's also a big fat lie.
	Like loads of the ways feminism talks about women.
	Oh yeah.
	It's just a lie when they say, oh, you know, some, some brave woman will come into a conversation.
	I couldn't wait to get back to work.
	Well, why do you have kids then?
	Like as soon as they're six months old, I was so bored at home.
	Well, you were doing it wrong.
	Get back in the cage, wagee!
	You're doing it wrong if literally sitting in front of a fluorescent screen and typing all day for someone else's profit was your goal in life.
	That's not men's goal in life.
	Men do it because they have other reasons.
	They want to support their wife and kids and so they're prepared to make the sacrifice.
	It's not what they wanted.
	But also women who talk like that have great jobs, well-paid great jobs.
	They have email jobs.
	That's what they have.
	They have jobs where they just email people.
	Well, yeah, probably.
	No, you know it is.
	I'm in HR.
	They're not stacking shelves, are they?
	They're not doing a crappy job.
	And when I remember in the last election, everyone was like, hey, we'll support full-time childcare for six months.
	I'm like, that's horrendous.
	Support the women to stay at home, do tax breaks, do something that actually helps.
	That would be wonderful.
	Because my wife stays at home and I'd love a tax break.
	Yeah, I bet you would.
	I would, yeah.
	Yeah, I know, Jesus.
	Please, please, Tony Blair.
	Anyway, so she basically says, look, women have feminism to help themselves, but men don't have any framework or network at all.
	So there's no way for men to sort of cooperate and be men and support each other.
	It's like, yeah, because feminism literally went out of its way to destroy it.
	I mean, that was exactly the first thing that feminism went after, was working men's clubs.
	Because they're like, wow, these are all boys' networks, aren't they?
	And in a way, they're right.
	These are how men gain trust with other men in order to be able to do business with them.
	You know, you become familiar with Frank, who's always in the corner and you have chats with him.
	He's like, yeah, yeah, I've got a thing that I'm doing.
	It's like, oh, I can help out.
	And suddenly you've got this network.
	And yeah, that does exclude women.
	That's what a male space is.
	Well in some of Europe they've got saunas as they call them.
	They've got saunas and they're like male only.
	So basically you can have a responding session with your penis out.
	But they are, they have women only sessions.
	They have men, male only sessions.
	And I would imagine it's quite, I mean, I would, God, I'm too British.
	I would never in my wildest dreams do sauna sessions with naked women.
	With anyone but um but there's something about that that's that tradition that's continued that maybe we never really had because ours was often around alcohol or privilege.
	But we we had discrete locations that were for men and women.
	Yeah.
	You know we obviously because we're British we weren't naked Now they've got your channel, right?
	Well, yeah, basically.
	This is a coping mechanism for the fact that feminism destroyed society and made everything unisex.
	It's like, I don't want everything to be unisex.
	In many ways, I think there were some feminist goals that absolutely had to happen.
	100% had to happen and some great things that happened.
	But it's almost like all other civil rights that it got to a point and then you weren't really fighting something that you could see where you had an end goal.
	So, you know, do we want to eradicate strip clubs from high streets?
	I pretty much would.
	Yes, I think they're horrible.
	That would be something.
	But to then sort of talk about Well, let's get rid of some elements of rape that we can see a name and then we can say we've conquered, we've achieved that goal.
	I think it became just far too loose.
	But it also became an industry.
	So it's people whose entire careers are being feminists.
	Yes.
	And now, I mean, what are they going to do?
	Be like, yeah, OK, well, job done, guys.
	I'm going to retire now.
	They're not going to do that.
	Well, because it was an honest industry as well.
	And it wasn't really built on proper values.
	Those same women who were supposed to be championing women's rights will now champion for trans rights and also pimps.
	So they'll be saying sex work is work.
	They've got this new thing.
	Bit like Stonewall is now not really for gays and lesbians.
	Yeah, they never talk about gays anymore.
	No, I don't think a lot of feminism is really for women anymore.
	No, but anyway, five years later, Caitlin Moran is still talking about this.
	So she's made some progress.
	She tweeted out five years ago.
	Hello, men of Twitter.
	What do you think makes man life difficult?
	And one reply, she says, came up time and time again.
	Is this a trick?
	Are you asking this so you can laugh at us?
	Is this a feminist trap?
	Are you going to retweet all of these with a reply?
	Look at the men complaining about nothing while women to continue to endure all the true suffering.
	And it's just very interesting how like I mean, that's something that feminists in particular have done for a long time.
	They've been utterly contemptuous of men as a class because they have looked at the board of a Fortune 500 company and gone, well, they're mostly men, aren't they?
	Therefore, men must generally be doing brilliantly.
	And this very low resolution Well, I think that's why the likes of, well, your success, Jordan Peterson.
	Andrew Tate and all that, yeah.
	Oh no, not Andrew Tate.
	I can't touch that.
	I'm so used to being the conversational whipping boy and punchline to jokes, they could not believe a feminist writer was genuinely asking them to talk about their problems.
	Who can believe it?
	Well, I think that's why the likes of, well, your success, Jordan Peterson.
	Andrew Tate and all that, yeah.
	Oh no, not Andrew Tate.
	I can't touch that.
	Of course you don't like Andrew Tate.
	No, I don't like Andrew Tate.
	I don't like him either.
	But I've heard him talk.
	I've heard Andrew Tate talk literally about having sex with women and then using that against them.
	He's an exploitative... I sort of had my doubts because people kept saying this stuff about him and I was like, well, you know, maybe it's the same as the other stuff.
	Maybe all the stuff they say about you, right?
	I was thinking, well, I don't know if I buy it.
	And then I've just seen too much video evidence of stuff from his own mouth.
	Oh, you're everything that he actually is.
	I mean, he got rich running a brothel.
	Yeah.
	So I'm not, I'm not, but the point is.
	But there's a vacuum, right, of decency.
	Exactly.
	And it's not even decency, really.
	It's a vacuum of masculinity that he is filling.
	He is saying, look, I'm a macho man.
	I've made loads of money.
	I've got women under control.
	I've got all these cars.
	I have achieved the peak consumerist, materialist life that a man is able of achieving at this point.
	Basically, you want to be like me.
	And a lot of young men are like, yeah, I want to live like that guy.
	So what is masculinity?
	Ah, well, that's a great question.
	And we could probably not have the time to do it now, but we could definitely have a conversation about it another time.
	I would love to.
	Because it's something that I've been forced to understand.
	But essentially, it is to be the person of last resort.
	And how does a man get to do that in 2023?
	Well, that's the even deeper question because what you're asking there is how do we restore the position of honour that men once held that made them want to be the person of last resort?
	Well, another war might help.
	No, actually, I think women knocking off feminism might really help, actually.
	Because, I mean, like, actually, you're very traditional in your view of what men should be and what women should be, actually.
	I think most women are.
	Most heterosexual women are.
	They absolutely are.
	And that's why heterosexual women, let's say feminists, piss off.
	Because, actually, when there's a bump downstairs, I want my husband to go and do it.
	I want him to want to go and do it.
	Yeah.
	But do you think the average millennial soy boy is like, oh, I can't wait to go down and find out what the problem is?
	No, probably not.
	Right.
	And it's this degrading of the self-respect of men by women that has brought us to this point and why Caitlin Moran is just like, well, why don't we just give men feminism?
	Won't feminism help men?
	It's like, no, feminism has been what has destroyed men to this point.
	And actually, if you want to ennoble them again, You have to say, well, actually there is a place for men in a hierarchy that is actually at the top of the hierarchy and that's proper and appropriate actually.
	So you have to say, well, the man should be in charge of the company, right?
	You actually kind of have to go down that road.
	And I realized I knew, I knew bringing this up would be something that would be unusual to say to you.
	Well, I have a few companies myself and I certainly wouldn't have a man running my company.
	That's just like a very broad way of describing what I'm trying to describe, right?
	But to say that it's appropriate for the man to be the breadwinner, for example.
	Well, you said something to me the last time I was here and I did think about it all the way home, which was that women are attracted to men and it's a money thing.
	So women want to be comfortable, etc.
	It's a status thing.
	And I was thinking, yeah, I was thinking status over anything else.
	So if I met my husband and he was a really successful artist, But not successful with money, but just like everybody thought he was talented and wonderful and he was driven and ambitious.
	I would find that really attractive and said, he's got a great job.
	Um, but he didn't when I met him.
	And I, I remember thinking one day when I just met him and I fell head over heels in love and I was thinking, would I like, would I, when he got in his posh car, I was like, I've liked him if he was in a, if he was unemployed.
	No, I don't think I would.
	Of course not.
	Because I don't think he'd have liked me either.
	Maybe not, but this is how it goes the other way, right?
	Because there are loads of women who write loads of articles going, I earn £100,000 a year.
	I'm the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, blah, blah.
	Why can't I find a boyfriend?
	It's like, because men would date a homeless woman, you know, if she fulfilled other criteria.
	You know, you're approaching it with a woman's criteria and saying, well, I fulfill all of the criteria that I expected.
	But men don't want that.
	It's like, no, men don't want that.
	Who told you they did?
	That they want to be needed?
	Yes.
	Well, and women want to be needed too, but we have different ways of... Absolutely.
	But men also want to be respected in that way, right?
	And so they want a woman who is Financially, they're inferior.
	So they want to be the person who is the person of last resort.
	When she's like, oh, I really can't afford to go on holiday this year.
	They can be like, well, actually, I can help with that.
	You know, we can go on holiday this year and she'll be grateful and thankful to him and she'll respect him and look up to him because he was able to provide something.
	And without that, men can't really become men.
	And so demanding this kind of gender parity and sort of unisex society is a barrier to men being the things that women want to date.
	Well, how about Thatcher then?
	Well, Thatcher wasn't an attractive woman.
	She was great.
	She was very impressive.
	I would never have gone out with her.
	You wouldn't have gone out.
	No.
	That is an exclusive people.
	Oh yeah.
	I would never have dated that.
	Um, but I mean, I had a lot of respect for them, but it's, it's, you know, obviously this isn't like for every individual case are going to be, you know, those, you know, particular people who are differently inclined, but as a general rule, I think this is what men want.
	I think this is what women want as well.
	Yeah.
	They want to look up to their men and think of them as respectable.
	Right.
	Cause that's what the social status is.
	Other people respect them.
	And so you can respect them as well.
	Yeah.
	I guess men don't necessarily want people to respect their wives.
	They probably want them to like their wives.
	I don't mean respect in the status.
	Yeah.
	They definitely don't want their wives to have high status.
	They want themselves to have the status, right?
	But yeah, they want them to be likable and to be seen as a package.
	You know, that your wife is a part of you.
	And the sort of the thing that is your public persona.
	I mean, clearly nobody likes me.
	So my husband, my husband can't, that's not a need that he has.
	People will like his wife.
	But you know, men, men are looking for a woman who will be a good wife, right?
	Rather than a good husband.
	And a lot of these feminist women have been, I've become the husband.
	It's like, okay, great.
	Good luck.
	You know, you need to find a wife.
	It's always quite uncomfortable and I appreciate and I would love to come back and maybe have a couple more sort of people and have a really thrash out what is it broadly that we both require.
	And also I've talked quite often about, look, if you find someone that you fall in love with at 25, Have children before you're 30.
	Don't wait until you're 35, 40 years old to have your kids.
	I was 27 and then I was 34 when I had my last, so I've got four children.
	But the beautiful thing is that my husband and I will still be quite young enough to have a really great life when they all leave.
	And actually at the moment it looks like they'll all stay and we'll be paying for all of them and all of their kids and everything forever.
	Um, but yeah, there's, there's, there's a lot of women that think you can fit it all in and it's just a big fat lie.
	You just can't.
	And most of us want to be great mothers.
	Um, unless you've got this, uh, an amazing career and you can probably afford to put things in place that mean you get to do both, but that's very few people.
	But that's the thing about feminism, isn't it?
	It treats motherhood as a kind of obstacle to the actualization of the woman.
	And it's like, no.
	Like, I've never met a woman who doesn't actually want to have kids.
	Even those ones who say, I don't want to have kids.
	Because of course, you know, when me and my wife take our newborn, I've got a three-month-old baby.
	You don't even look tired.
	That's because I have a wife at home.
	But like whenever, you know, you meet one of those sorts of women, you can see that nature is like saying, look, you know, there's a pull inside of you that when you see a baby and you don't have a baby and you're coming on 40, Yeah, I'm not buying it.
	I'm not, I'm not buying it.
	And I know far too many women that then get past the point where they could have children and then they regret it.
	Yes.
	And I don't know, like it's supposed to be some, a taboo that loads of women regret having children, but don't talk about it.
	I think that's absolute lies.
	I don't believe it.
	Um, clearly some people aren't cut out to be mothers and then maybe they shouldn't have had children.
	Sure, but that's going to be a small percentage.
	A very small percentage.
	And actually, it's for most people who have children, your life goes from one thing to that second my son was born, my life was forever changed for the better by a million percent.
	Yeah, that's another thing, isn't it, as well, because this reluctance for women to have children seems to be a desire to live in an extended adolescence, but they fail to understand that no, no, no, look, there's a path to every human life, and there always has been.
	Since the very beginning of time, because when you, as you age, you enter into different phases of your life and you become a different person.
	When you become a parent, you're not the adolescent.
	When you become old enough that the children leave or that you become a grandparent, you enter again into a new phase of your life and you need to come to terms with it.
	You know, this is why, I mean, you know what Madonna looks like.
	It's horrific, it's horrific looking at Madonna's face.
	It's like you couldn't let your youth go and now you're a freak, you know?
	I know and it's such a shame, such a shame.
	I mean look, she's always She's always been, yeah, Madonna, but like, but come on, like where she's got to now.
	It's like, granny, please stop.
	You know, just please stop.
	Yeah, it's pretty horrific.
	Yeah.
	But this is the thing.
	Feminism has got nothing in the way of a life plan for women.
	And all it can do with men is stigmatize them.
	And so men aren't allowed to have their own life plan because it upsets the feminists who are for some reason in control of bloody everything.
	Yeah.
	Well, I guess any ideology, whether it's feminism or trans activism, even like whatever ideology, you need to have a goal where that is a final point that you've achieved what you set out to do.
	What's the victory condition?
	Yeah.
	And I would say at the moment, feminism of old used to be like, Hey, there's an obstacle.
	Let's find a way around it.
	Feminism now is like, there's an obstacle.
	Wow.
	There's an obstacle.
	Oh, look at the obstacle.
	Oh, there's an obstacle.
	That's it.
	But also there's, there's just no limit to the obstacles, right?
	It's like, they don't know what they're asking for.
	So we want equality of men with men.
	It's like, well, now you're superior to me.
	I mean, this is what Caitlin Moran's entire thesis is.
	Well, hang on a second.
	I mean, she literally, in fact, I've got a couple of clips.
	Just cause, uh, they're genuinely hilarious from like the position of the surf man who doesn't understand why his betters don't realize that they're his betters.
	Let's watch.
	The main problem that boys have is they don't have the ladies' toilets.
	Like, that's the main strength that women have.
	If you go into the ladies' toilets, if you've got any problem, you can talk to a complete stranger and they'll be like, here's a tampon, you should leave him, give me a hug, let's go on the dance floor.
	That's not happening in the men's toilets.
	And that's the microcosm of the difference between being a man and a woman.
	We talk about our problems.
	We do.
	We come up with solutions.
	Boys feel they've got to keep quiet or just be cool or just banter.
	They can't have that kind of, I'm in trouble, help me, that girls do.
	That's true, the banter thing's true.
	Again, you know when I was reading this, that thing of when you were saying, when men go out with one another and they come back and you say to them, the house move, has that gone well?
	What about the wee dog that wasn't well?
	What about the wee girl that was ill?
	And they go, what are you talking about?
	You've been with that fella for four hours, why did you not find things out?
	Exactly, what have you been talking about for the last four hours?
	I don't agree with her at all.
	I had workmen in my house.
	They all, oh, how's your mum?
	Is she still in the wheelchair?
	When's she coming out of hospital?
	They were really supportive and lovely to each other.
	They had really lovely conversations.
	And also- Can I- Go on.
	Yeah.
	That's because there's a woman present.
	No, no, no.
	This was the three of them.
	This was nothing to do with me.
	I didn't write their parents.
	But you were present, Sarah.
	Oh, because otherwise, if there's no woman in the house, they're having a different conversation.
	Yeah.
	Every gendered space becomes very different when one member of the opposite gender is introduced to it.
	It becomes very, very different.
	And she's not wrong right there, where she's like, well, men don't have these spaces away from women where they can actually be themselves.
	And so, but notice how she's just like, well, you need to have a woman's toilets and talk about your feelings.
	Like, that's not how men process anything.
	Exactly.
	But that's literally the only framework that she's got, because she doesn't understand that actually men are different and they have their own sort of hierarchy of how things are supposed to be done.
	Like, they never understand why boys fight.
	Like, they do not understand why boys fight, but boys know why boys fight.
	And boys know why they become friends after they've fought.
	And this is totally alien to a woman's mind.
	Suicide rates, and you might not know the answer to this question, are they worse in 2023-22 for men than they were in the 1920s?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Suicide rates have just been going up.
	And is that, that can't be to do with, well it might be to do, you might argue it's to do with feminism, but Men certainly aren't talking less than they, are we saying that men talked more or had, um, and I don't mean talk, share, problem.
	Men feel suicidal when they feel useless, right?
	Powerlessness is the worst thing for a man to experience because Women live in a kind of social web where all of the circumstances of society are kind of geared to helping women at all times, right?
	And there've been women who have transitioned to become men who, and we covered this again a couple of weeks ago, that they feel lonely and afraid because there's no one to help them.
	Because men are expected to do everything and help themselves, right?
	But then that's what you want.
	Yeah, no, no, that's completely right.
	But with that comes a form of honour that feminism deliberately stripped away on the basis that they're men, right?
	So men would have been self-reliant or worked together in small and trusted groups to achieve certain things in order that people could rely on them and They would be respected for being reliable, right?
	And so when in the 1920s you have this kind of society Men are fine with us what they want, but now that you don't have that the men aren't relied on for things They're not allowed to achieve these sort of positions of honor and they feel lonely and useless and not worthy And so eventually you do just kill yourself
	So what's worse for men that the recession of manufacturing jobs in this country, which means like regular men were going and building and making and, and using their physical, um, power in order to do stuff or feminism.
	Cause I, I wonder actually whether it's the change in structure of our society and jobs where, you know, in a car factory where you had to lift heavy stuff, there weren't, there weren't a lot of women.
	So those were male only spaces.
	Yeah.
	And these were good for men to have.
	Yeah.
	It's a very good thing.
	The manufacturing, you could argue.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, suicide rates always go up in a depression because the men realize they can't provide for their families like they feel expected to do so.
	And then they kill themselves because they feel powerless.
	And that's that's not good, obviously.
	But to have that as being the norm in society where they don't even need to provide for people is actually really bad for men.
	Really bad.
	Really bad, yeah.
	That's the purpose in life for the average man.
	But that's how they get, and that's why not allowing men to see their children after a divorce, it crushes them.
	So, well hang on a second, those people are supposed to rely on me, and now they don't rely on me at all.
	Family courts are horrendous.
	It's horrific, yeah.
	And so yeah, these ladies do not understand any of this, you know.
	All they can do is say, well, why aren't men being like women?
	In fact, I've got one more clip that I want to play.
	Andrew Tate, yeah.
	The rise of Andrew Tate, these boys who like, who have just heard people for the last 10 years going, typical men, like typical straight white men.
	And so someone like Andrew Tate goes along and goes, no, be proud to be a boy.
	Boys should win.
	And suddenly you see these boys being radicalised.
	And it's so toxic.
	I mean, it's like what you see in the book.
	We could be on sea.
	And men have got Andrew Teat.
	Yes, I know.
	And we're winning, so I understand why boys say women are winning.
	Well, I don't like Beyonce very much.
	I think she's terrible for women, but there you go.
	But look at the, look at the attitude.
	Andrew Tate says boys should be winning.
	And she's like, Oh, that's so toxic.
	No, boys should be winning.
	Boys should win.
	Men should win.
	Like the most, like the most manly thing a man can do is win in a battle.
	You know, literally fighting on a war, you know, that that's dying a battle.
	That's the most manly thing a man can do.
	And she's like, Oh, that's toxic.
	Of course you as a very privileged, posh woman think that's toxic, but actually that's what young men dream of.
	But to be fair, don't most people want to?
	I mean, maybe women aren't so competitive.
	I'm quite a competitive woman.
	You are unusual, I think, in that regard.
	But most women are not as competitive as men, and everyone knows this.
	Yeah, which is fine.
	Do we want them not to win?
	That's the alternative.
	She said that's toxic.
	That's bad.
	You know, and it's like, no, boys should win.
	They should compete and we should have healthy competitions.
	Yeah.
	You know, they should be playing a lot of sports.
	They should be doing whatever, you know, and it it's because of this feminization where it's, I don't know, competition's bad, but Andrew Tate's like, no, boys should win.
	Jo Williams, I'm sure you're familiar with her work.
	She's written about the feminization of education.
	I'm not familiar with that.
	She writes for Spiked.
	Right, right, right.
	So she's pretty great.
	I think you'd love her.
	I probably would, yeah.
	What she's written about, but the feminization of education, which is all the taking away competition and boys having to sit down for long spells, sit still for long spells in education, as opposed to going out and touching stuff.
	Education used to be gender segregated and probably was better for it if the decline in standards.
	Boys probably did.
	I mean, look at the standards that we're under now, like the results coming out of schools.
	It's terrible.
	My oldest daughter was failing in her maths class.
	I was like, okay, what's the average in the class?
	And it was something like 18% in this entire class where the pass was supposed to be 65%.
	And it's like, oh my God.
	One of my kids did a college course and at the end of it, he didn't pass because they'd allowed him to change his final project, right?
	And so I phoned them and I was like, you've failed, you failed him and you didn't, at no point have you reached out and said, hey, did you know he's changed his project to me?
	And we were sort of talking to him about it, but I have no idea that it was going to penalize him.
	And I said, how many other kids didn't get, and they said, oh, we're really proud, 40% got through.
	And I went, so you failed only half the class?
	40%!
	I said, how can you say that with confidence?
	I'd be embarrassed!
	But this is the thing, so essentially men need to compete, they are different to women, and they need to be respected for winning, right?
	And feminism, these women, they view that as toxic.
	And that's really unhealthy.
	Uh, and so I'm just, uh, basically they do not understand men and their attempts to help literally, um, one of the, one of the things she says in an previous article, right?
	She says, uh, those wives, mothers, sisters, daughters, and friends need to tell men your problems aren't boring.
	It's okay to make a fuss.
	We won't accuse you of emotional man flu.
	We love you and worry about you.
	Please use these tools, feminism, we have invented to solve your problems now.
	It's like that will destroy men even worse than it already has.
	I teach my kids just to be bloody stoic.
	Yeah.
	Like sort yourself out.
	If you come up with a problem, I'm not saying if they want to talk to me about something, I would shut them down.
	I absolutely wouldn't.
	I think we have quite a healthy kind of, uh, you try and solve your own problem.
	You come up with your own solution.
	And when you've tried to do that, Then you can seek help or you can talk to someone about it.
	But no, not every, I don't, not every five minutes is about, are you happy?
	Are you happy?
	Like, no, you won't be.
	But it's not just that.
	Men and women process problems differently.
	I mean, a lot of the time men, and I speak from personal experience, but also from a lot of my friends, uh, when your wife comes to you and she complains to you about a problem, she doesn't actually want you to propose solutions.
	She just wants to be heard.
	Right.
	Because, you know, maybe it's something you can't solve or something like that, but that's not how men work at all.
	And so what she's saying is, men, why don't you just talk your feelings out?
	Because that's how it works.
	What you want.
	And this is what normally happens is when you have like a sort of brotherhood of young men who are friends, really close friends, they'll solve each other's problems.
	They'll actually fix the thing for you.
	And then that's how you show that you care about each other.
	It's not the same.
	It's totally different.
	And they don't understand.
	They're just going to hurt men even more.
	But anyway, we'll leave that there and we'll go to some comments.
	Battle Bat says, Kelly, what a treat!
	Always love you.
	See you next, Carl.
	Thanks for all you do.
	Oh, well, you're very welcome.
	And Lord Nerevar says, Happy Thursday, everyone.
	Good to see Kelly J here as well.
	I'm graduating university today, so I'll see you on the other side.
	Congratulations.
	Baystape says, the definition of trans rights is based on a flawed view of progressive rights.
	The idea that people have rights unless someone higher on the social stack usurps their rights.
	Religious people have the right to freedom of religion unless a gay person wants cake, then the higher social class usurps that right.
	Women are higher than men on the social stack, so women have a right to privacy from men, but trans women are higher than women, so the trans rights person allows them to usurp the rights of women.
	I would hope that men also have the right, when they're in a state of undress, to be away from women as well.
	It's not so much of an issue that comes up.
	The risks are different anyway.
	Women aren't clamouring to get into the men's changing room.
	Most women on the site of a naked penis, if they walked through a men's changing room, would do that.
	Yeah.
	There's not too many men walking through a changing room of naked women that would do that.
	Well, they would to be respectful, but, you know, it depends how old the women are, I guess.
	Yeah.
	But most of the time it's a totally different thing.
	Yeah.
	Ranvon Warhawk says, this guy tortured, assaulted people and called for more violence.
	He belongs in Arkham Asylum, but instead he's running for a position in your government.
	It's a madhouse.
	It is.
	Ben Shapiro.
	My wife and I have a simple trick to avoid confusion.
	When she's got a problem she wants to talk about, I ask her directly whether this conversation in which she wants me to listen or whether she wants me to fire off solutions and actually works quite well.
	Well, I'm sure it works quite well for Ben Shapiro, but most of the time she just wants to be heard.
	Yeah, and also Ben Shapiro, I would imagine the speed at which he talks, if his wife wants to have a nice, quiet conversation, I'm sure he does have to clarify.
	I do like the man.
	I like Ben Shapiro, but he speaks to, I mean, he's definitely autistic.
	Yes.
	And that speaks exactly to his autism, because a regular man will be able to see and just judge from the way that his wife is approaching him.
	You know, is she actually annoyed by something?
	The light thing's fixed.
	You know, can you fix it?
	Or is she just trying to get something off her chest?
	Yeah.
	You know, develop the skill gentlemen, it's not that hard.
	Ethelstan says, the only positive to all this crazy degenerate immorality is it should hopefully red pill more of the public.
	Seeing the double standards and the obvious obfuscation of our political elites and mass media can only make people doubt the other things that we have always been told to believe and agree with.
	This may also just be a cope as we are on the precipice of civilizational collapse.
	Well, that's uplifting, but yes, I agree.
	I think most of us, we come to an issue that we have a firm understanding of what the truth about that issue is.
	And then when we see everyone else go against us and the media and everybody else, then that's certainly what happened with me.
	Yeah.
	Which is why I'm going to get you agreeing with the death penalty.
	Wigan Survivalist says, I've always wondered what living in North Korea is like, and now we're living it every single day.
	Well, it's not as bad as North Korea, but the problem is we're on the same train, right?
	We're going in the same direction.
	I really hate it.
	And it really bothers me.
	Omar says, you know what?
	I'll let it slide that wrong thinkers like Faraz get debunked and unpersoned as long as murderers, rapists, pedophiles get the same or worse treatment.
	Yeah, that's another great point.
	Like the, Rapists and pedophiles keep their bank accounts.
	They're still on Twitter.
	They're still on YouTube.
	We know that people would rather you be a rapist than a racist.
	It's weird, isn't it?
	Or even to have any guilt by association connection with anybody that said something moderately racist.
	Obviously, it's better to cape for rapists.
	It's just mad though, isn't it?
	The, the grooming gang scandal.
	It's just, I just can't get over how literally it was a question of values.
	What is worse, raping a teenage girl or being racist to Muslim rapists?
	I can't even imagine why it's clearly racist.
	Obviously, you know, think of, think of the real victims of the grooming gangs, which is the Muslim community.
	I know.
	And even, even when, um, Uh, people have done wrong, like blow up people on buses in London.
	The first thing that many people did was say, don't be racist.
	Like people have just been blown up.
	Not many people said, Oh, well, that's all Muslims.
	Like very few people said, well, that's the whole of, you know, that's, that's, um, Mohammed down the road.
	He's also to blame.
	Nobody was talking about that yet.
	That was the first concern often when something like that happened.
	It's mental, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It just, it really worries me.
	I think that breeds more racism and contempt for people of any identity than, than actually anything else.
	But if you keep telling people, no matter what, that you can't speak about something because it's about a certain group of people, then that builds resentment.
	And then you basically invite racism.
	No, I think so.
	And also you're denying the reality of the things.
	Like, it's not a coincidence that like 90% of the people arrested in these grooming gangs have been Pakistani Muslims.
	No.
	It's not a coincidence.
	No.
	You know, come on.
	Every time I talk like that, I'll say, look, grooming gang, and we know that paedophile priests are most likely white guys over the age of 50.
	We know that scout leaders are white guys.
	It's a different thing though.
	Yeah.
	And football club coaches, we know they're white guys, but we can say all of that.
	But once you say the majority of men arrested for grooming gangs in this country were Pakistani Muslim, people have to go, yeah, but that's not most of the pedophiles.
	No, it's not.
	This is a weird, like demographic of pedophiles that the government for some reason are afraid to touch.
	Arrest them all, hang them all, you know?
	Anyway.
	Alpha of the Beta says, at least Sarah Jane Baker accepted her arrest like a man.
	Gently.
	Gently.
	Yeah.
	I was going to say, actually, it was very feminine, to be honest.
	I thought for me, there would have been an arm behind my back and literally marching me out.
	Oh, are you comfortable?
	I got arrested for speaking during lockdown when we did social distancing and everything, and I got arrested in Leeds.
	And not once did they say, are you comfortable?
	Is that okay?
	Are the cuffs too tight?
	As they led me into the back of the van.
	Well, you're a TERF.
	He was probably thinking, God, I really want to punch her.
	Awful.
	I mean, it was great.
	It was all live streamed and they forgot to switch my phone off.
	So it was joyful.
	It was a good little income on Super Chats.
	That's good.
	Matthew Hammond says, how would feminists actually help men?
	I'd say, well, they would help them to become women.
	Because that's all they know.
	Yeah.
	Maybe we need more of a More of a male, female kind of, we just want to make the, we just want to make it a better, more truthful situation for everybody.
	Maybe that's what we need.
	Not someone going, well, I'm going to help men now.
	Well, why don't we just, why would, why don't we ask men?
	Well, I think your point earlier was the really good ones.
	Okay.
	We need a positive vision.
	for what it is to be a man and what it is to be a woman.
	You know, what, what, you know, and this isn't going to be, and this is another thing as well.
	Like, oh, well you asserted something positive, but every single one, no, not every single one, just a general mission state.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It'd be good if you got married in your twenties, had children and the man under good wage, The wife was able to raise the children well, and you went on holiday once or twice a year.
	You could afford the things you wanted your kids to have.
	They'd grow up, and that would be a wholesome, healthy society, wouldn't it?
	You'd get an actual decent wage, skilled.
	And then you get some guy coming along, oh no, but I'm a weird freak.
	It's like, and then don't do that.
	Then don't do that.
	My wife and I do it differently.
	Are you happy?
	Great for you.
	Exactly.
	But most people aren't weird freaks.
	And so we're not going to take your bizarre circumstance and apply that to everyone else.
	You know, it's mental.
	But this was the sort of just traditional way that this country worked.
	You know, the marginalized people didn't get to dictate to the normals what they should be doing.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, here we are.
	Joyful.
	Derek says, remember that the crowd that are always perceived as being attacked and therefore they are merely acting in self-defense rather than provoking violence from the start.
	Well, I've been in the middle of a mob, as you well know.
	So tell me, before we end, tell me about the soup.
	What the whole incident?
	Well, just give me a brief.
	So I arrive at the thing I had.
	So I was in New Zealand, in Auckland.
	And when I woke up in that, so as I'm flying into New Zealand, um, I get a message from my PA to say that they've canceled my hotel because the police had gone to the hotel.
	So I lose my bookings.
	Then we get another hotel, which does seem to be in the middle of Wake Central.
	Anyway, I go in the hotel and I often do secret silent guests.
	And which means that not many people know that I'm there and I use a discreet entrance.
	Anyway, so I go into this hotel, wake up the next day, I've got a note under my door saying, we know you're in here, basically, a little violently threatening note.
	Jesus.
	All right.
	So, um, and we'd offer, we also have, uh, numerous security groups saying that they wouldn't protect us.
	Right.
	So then I get to the event and it's huge.
	I mean, I thought there's a couple of thousand, there have been reports that it's 5,000 people in that place.
	I don't want to exaggerate.
	Let's just say it was two.
	who, um, and let's say out of those 2000 people, probably, uh, 1990 of them, 1990 of them hated my guts.
	So I get to the middle where, which is like a bandstand and I'm assuming cause I've been led to the middle and I'm getting kicked as I go through the crowd that the police are in the middle, right?
	So I'm assuming there's a police line.
	Nope.
	And then it just builds and it's all sort of on, um, my channel.
	If anyone wants to watch it and it builds and then they start kicking down the, um, divisions between us and them.
	Right.
	And they're all coming forward.
	And this tomato soup guy comes up and just tips it on my head and over another woman called.
	Tanya.
	He's a Kiwi and a bit over the security and it just ups the ante.
	And then the next minute, my security just looks at me and goes, the police aren't coming.
	So we've been begging for the police to come to get me out.
	The police aren't coming, which is, it's like something from, it's like something from a movie.
	And then they all gather around me with their sort of locking arms and we have to charge through the crowd.
	And at one point I get pushed, we all get pushed and I go sort of 45 degrees and I'm thinking, If I hit the floor, I ain't never getting up.
	I'm never going to see my husband and kids again.
	It's like game over.
	I'm going to die.
	A bunch of crazy Kiwi trannies are going to beat you to death.
	Yeah.
	Mad.
	Well, I thought they'd I mean, we've seen football crushes when it's not sort of full of animosity and aggression.
	But these were these people had signs like stomp a turf, stomp a Nazi.
	And I've been called a Nazi.
	And I'm just about to sue John Pasuto, who's the head of the Liberal Party and Uh, and their state broadcaster in Australia.
	And then I'll go for the New Zealand state broadcaster who said that I, I did, I did that on a zip.
	I did that.
	And they said I did a white power signal and they put that on their news before I, and I was also stopped at the border.
	Cause they thought you were doing the okay sign.
	Yeah.
	So I just, I was messing with my zip as I was talking.
	But that's not a white power sign anyway.
	I've heard it's a 4chan kind of funny, hilarious thing.
	So then the state media had just built up.
	They tried to block me from entering the country.
	I mean, me and my ego, we did really well because I didn't realise I was in porn at all.
	But they tried to stop me two hours at immigration.
	Um, and it was, uh, it was insane.
	And then I, I'm in armed police protection.
	I couldn't even be named in the police station.
	I was in a, I was in an interview room normally for kids with two police protecting me in the police station.
	Um, and only them and the senior officer knew that I was there.
	And then I got a secret transfer and a police car.
	I know.
	And then I had three armed police escort me through.
	the airport until I got on my very nice flight and took off.
	And they said that they wouldn't leave until they saw the plane take off because it was understood that I was in so much danger.
	I mean, I knew New Zealand was an insane hive of wokeness and Chinese money, but I didn't realize how bad it was.
	Oh, just, yeah.
	What was lovely though is that one of the police officers was taking me to the airport and he was like, I'm such a big fan.
	He was like quite a young guy, he was like 24.
	And the same with the Nazi salute in Australia that happened in Melbourne and the same as in New Zealand.
	The more they tried to make me out to be the bad guy, the more people were like, well who is she?
	And then I get so many letters all the time saying we had no idea what was going on in our country.
	The government has just kept us totally in the dark.
	And now we know what's going on and we fully support you and we've woken up.
	So at least it has its positive.
	Yeah.
	So I'm going to go back to the court case.
	Good luck with that.
	Right.
	We are out of time there, folks.
	So, Kelly, where can people find more of you?
	YouTube, Kelly J Keane, Twitter, at the Posy Parker.
	Best places.
	Well, thank you so much for joining me.
	It's been tremendous fun.
	And thanks, folks.
	We'll be back tomorrow.

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