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	Good afternoon, thanks Welcome to the podcast, The Loadseaters for Thursday, the 29th of June, 2023.
	I'm joined by Stelios and Connor.
	Hello there.
	And today we're going to be talking about pride season.
	Uh, why John has left his microphone on so I can hear myself talking in my ear.
	It's fine.
	Uh, the, uh, the fact that they are coming for your children and they want you to know it.
	And we're going to be doing a bit of a retrospective on Glastonbury.
	But before we begin, uh, Connor and Harry are doing a follow-up to that James Lindsay.
	Um, well, the question is, is James Lindsay writing Christian nationalism podcast?
	Do you want to give people a quick description?
	Yeah, so for the first podcast we went through James Lindsay's quibbles with the Christian nationalist movement, if there is a concrete definition of it, and his concern that it's, as he told you, an obvious Fed operation.
	I disagreed with him on that.
	I think there are some sincere convictions, but it's... we ran over time and Harry had a whole section on liberalism and whether or not the anti-woke coalition can last, considering we have atheists and Christians in the same place, so we're going to go over that quite charitably, I hope, this afternoon.
	I don't mean to be mean to the Christian Nationalists, but they're obviously not sophisticated enough to be a Fed operation.
	I think you can put that on Marjorie Taylor Greene, yeah?
	Because it's quite a boomer interpretation of it, but there's an infighting in the definition.
	It's not that I dislike them or anything like that.
	I actually quite like a lot of the people who call themselves Christian Nationalists.
	Fed operations are more sophisticated than what they're doing, right?
	There's more message discipline.
	There's more personal, you know, online discipline, things like that.
	So it's just, I didn't think they look like a Fed operation.
	Yeah, but underestimation is key for these operations.
	I don't know.
	The Fed operations, they're always slick.
	They're always marching properly, and they've got uniforms.
	Unless you're on Patriot Front, where you obviously look like a fed.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, let's begin.
	So, it turns out it's not just Pride Month, it's Pride Season.
	Did anyone get the memo?
	Well, there is a liturgical calendar at this point.
	They have their saints, they have their martyrs.
	But it's, yeah, but even liturgical calendars have months, right?
	Like, particular, like, defined periods of time.
	This is going way beyond that.
	This is now the entire season.
	It's the new advent, except rather than denying some sort of pleasure to teach yourself a lesson, you're meant to indulge exponentially.
	A season implies that there are other seasons within the year.
	I think that it's non-stop.
	Yeah, maybe after Pride season we can get shame season to properly balance it out.
	I can't wait.
	Well, maybe a sort of autumn to winter style thing.
	But actually, I'm all up for it.
	It's a persephone of pride.
	Exactly.
	Anyway, before we begin, if you want to support us, go to the website, sign up, five pound a month, and listen or read Thomas Dowling's latest Deep Think, Academia, the Counterculture Industry, and Their Pretenders, in which he is, of course, embedded deep in academia, much to...
	His disappointment, I imagine, and he has some thoughts on why this is all bad.
	And the reason that this is important is because of course, all of this stuff comes from academia.
	It begins in academia.
	It gets filtered through a long process of people fully crafting their nonsense.
	And then it arrives in the soft heads of politicians.
	So let's begin with the soft heads of politicians.
	We have, in fact, let me remember how to work this.
	Let me say, I think it's the rhetoric that is developed in academia.
	Yes.
	And it's powerful sentence.
	The rhetoric is perfected and then it arrives in the soft heads of politicians.
	For some reason, John, the video is not coming up.
	There we go.
	Hello, my name is Admiral Rachel Levine, and I have the honor of being the Assistant Secretary for Health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
	Happy Pride!
	Happy Pride Month!
	And actually, let's declare it a Summer of Pride!
	Happy Summer of Pride!
	Yeah, they're gonna stop.
	Are they gonna stop after summer?
	No, why not a year of pride?
	Why not a decade of pride?
	That's what they've been doing.
	We want all pride all the time, wherever you go.
	Eternal pride.
	Always watching, Wazowski.
	But I mean, you can tell that Admiral Levine has got a lot to be proud of because, of course, she's commanded many fleets.
	No, she was given this title as an honorific, essentially.
	But of course, the Department of Health and Human Services are very, very proud of this.
	All summer long, we'll be celebrating the Summer of Pride as we work to ensure a healthier future for all people living in the United States during Pride Month.
	Let Summer of Pride begin.
	Well, Summer of Pride isn't quite enough.
	I mean, it's going to have to be Pride season.
	If we go to Justin Trudeau, there we go.
	Took this yesterday before heading home.
	What a hero.
	Uh, he's in Reykjavik, uh, visiting Rainbow Street.
	So everyone's celebrating Pride in Iceland and in Canada and around the world.
	Happy Pride season.
	Sorry, this reminds me of Mole, where they tell you, you know, if you follow the purple lane and turn right, turn left, you have Primark.
	If you follow the other one, you have something else.
	The irony is all the corporate ESG sponsorships for Pride.
	Yeah.
	And this, this is very, very new.
	As you can see, like all of these things are very recent.
	Um, I don't know when the NPC program came.
	The Rachel Levine thing, Summer of Pride was the closest I could find to a beginning point.
	But, uh, then we have possibly the NHS Confederation, which is essentially a union for the NHS.
	But, uh, as they say, the NHS Confederation, uh, wants the every June, the LGBTQ plus population.
	and their allies, just talking about populations now, and their allies come together to celebrate and recognize the influence that LGBT plus have had around the world.
	This begins what has grown to become Pride Season, a series of events that highlight current challenges faced by LGBTQ plus people and celebrate the progress it made towards equality.
	It's metastasizing like a cancer.
	Yeah.
	Literally getting larger.
	Again, also, I know it's a tired point, but you only need allies if you're in a war.
	And so they are conceiving of themselves as being in an existential war against normality.
	Yeah.
	And the way you sound like the LGBTQ population, there's something about using the term population.
	It's a bit creepy to me.
	You know, there's something a bit abstract about it.
	It's like a nation within a nation.
	Yeah.
	Hence why they have their own flag.
	Well, I mean, that is exactly why they have their own flag.
	And so, well, when does this begin?
	When does it end?
	Well, the Canadian government actually have some thoughts on this.
	They say that Pride Season is a term that refers to the wide range of pride events that take place over the summer, June to September.
	So that's pride season, according to the Canadian government, June to September.
	Next step of wokeness is that they say, why not the whole year?
	Why not October?
	It's just, if you're supposed to be proud, you're supposed to be proud the whole year.
	Exactly.
	When should you ever be ashamed of twerking in front of a child?
	Always.
	Say the Canadian government.
	Yeah, we'll get to that in a minute.
	The 2S prefix on the LGBTQ plus the ever-growing acronym.
	Do you know what 2S stands for?
	Two spirit.
	Yes.
	Do you know where that came from?
	Native Americans?
	No, no.
	90s gay activist called Carrie Hay.
	It's not even Native American.
	It's been retroactively co-opted into it.
	It sounds like it.
	Sorry, what is 2S?
	Two-spirit.
	You know what that meme was like?
	Yeah, that meme was like, there are two wolves inside you.
	The good and the bad one.
	And the one you feed is the one who's going to take over.
	Yeah, it's basically that, except you might want to have sex with one of them.
	Yeah, but that's about pessimism and optimism.
	Yeah, now it's about what kind of gay man you want to have sex with.
	But anyway, they say historically, they give us a quick historical rundown of where Pride comes from in Canada and everywhere else.
	And then they're just like, happy Pride season.
	So there we go.
	It's, it's Pride season.
	Um, is this working now again?
	No, no, it's not.
	Uh, anyway, so Pride season has already arrived in Wigan.
	Wigan, really?
	It begins in America, it goes to Canada, and from Justin Trudeau to Wigan.
	It's just so wild.
	Again, this is literally published yesterday.
	So it's just like, how did this NPC code?
	This is really quick updates.
	This is woke broadband.
	Doesn't Wigan have a significantly higher Muslim population?
	Uh, yes.
	Okay, so do you remember in Looney Tunes when Daffy and Bugs are arguing whether or not it's rabbit season or duck season?
	Not offhand.
	Okay, so there's a famous clip where they're going backwards and forwards because they're wondering who Elmer Fudd's gonna shoot, and then Bugs goes rabbit season to trick Daffy Duck into saying duck season, having fire on himself.
	I think that's going to be the case with the Muslim and LGBT populations as to whose season it is.
	But yeah, Wiccan Council have obviously been plugged into this, and obviously it's because they're on Twitter, I'm assuming.
	They're encouraging everyone to take part, either by visiting respective town centers on big days or engaging with the groups of organizations that make our prides possible.
	I still think pride's a sin, just saying.
	I've been finally getting through to you, Carl.
	It is, and it's not Catholic.
	It's been sinful since day dot.
	It's literally the ethos of the Epic of Gilgamesh.
	But if you're proud about something good you've done.
	Sure, but that's not the same.
	Are these people, they're proud about just being?
	Well, we'll get to why they celebrate themselves in a minute.
	I think the difference with like national pride and which should just be called patriotism and sexual pride is there's an element of gratitude in national pride.
	You're inheriting something.
	You've got an obligation to carry forward.
	You're thankful for someone else.
	Exactly.
	Whereas sexual pride is celebrate me and all of the perverse desires I kind of know are wrong, but need you to affirm me so I stop feeling bad about myself.
	Yeah, that's the thing as well, isn't it?
	The fact that they do this kind of implies that they feel that they're doing something wrong.
	It's projection, yeah.
	Because why would you need this otherwise?
	They lack sincerity because if you are to be proud about something, and I think that for some things it's good to give ourselves the pat on the back so long as we don't overdo it, but The most important thing is that we should be proud about something, not just for being.
	Yeah, it communicates profound insecurity that they're trying to make up for.
	It does, yeah.
	Anyway, it's arrived in Northern Ireland now.
	I don't know if this is working, someone's going to give up on it.
	Pride season in Northern Ireland.
	Pride season in Northern Ireland.
	Actually, this is the 13th of June, so this has been going around for a little while now.
	So Northern Ireland got the Pride season update a bit earlier than Wigan.
	I can't believe it.
	Are you going to take that, Wigan?
	You're behind the curve.
	See, Irish nationalism has been pretty destructive throughout its time, but this may be the worst form, ironically enough.
	Well, this is Northern Ireland, so I mean, these may well be Irish nationalists.
	They don't say.
	But Northern Ireland is celebrating, you know, conservative Northern Ireland is celebrating its first Pride Parade and they're going to raise their rainbow flags high in stride with pride as this parade takes the streets to celebrate diversity, inclusivity and equality.
	Thanks.
	I hate it.
	It's exhaustingly typical as well.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so going over to Frome now.
	Do you know where Frome is?
	No idea.
	Somewhere in the Southwest.
	No one knows where Frome is.
	But we get to hear about Frome's Pride season.
	Again, how the local areas got this update so quickly, I just don't know.
	But it's one thing Justin Trudeau tweeting out.
	It's one thing the Canadian government having it on their website.
	It's one thing Rachel Levine doing it.
	How did it get to Frome this quickly?
	Is it?
	Does it have to do with tourism?
	It's like the Soviet Politburo sending out its sleeper agents to the most banal little places.
	It is, right?
	But anyway, so Mark Stroud from Frome Pride, who organized Frome Pride, said Pride is about a number of things, including celebrating ourselves.
	Pride is about narcissism.
	It's not about oppression.
	It's not about achieving equality.
	No, we're just celebrating ourselves, actually.
	Thank you.
	We're just brilliant, actually.
	It's like, really, that's embarrassing, isn't it, Mark?
	Celebrating ourselves and those we love, educating ourselves and others on the collective histories and communities.
	I don't really care about the history of pride or LGBT.
	It's just not something that comes up in my daily business.
	Like, why would it?
	The only time I talk about it is when you guys make me do podcasts like this because you sound ridiculous.
	Anyway, so they're highlighting how far LGBTQ plus rights have come in the UK and how there's still work to be done, because my God, there's going to be work to be done until every person in this country is gay.
	Uh, anyway, people actually aren't thrilled by this.
	Uh, Lawrence Fox, who was supposed to be on the podcast, by the way, I forgot to say, uh, scheduling conflict, but we will get him on like next week or something.
	Uh, when the schedules, uh, when things don't come up, but anyway, Lawrence Fox burned a pride flag, uh, and he got reported to the police.
	Good on Kelvin for holding the camera.
	For Sakharov, did he?
	Yeah.
	I didn't know that.
	Good on him, though, for burning a political flag, as in, you know, no different to burning any other political flag, like a Soviet flag, or a Nazi flag, or an ISIS flag, or a British flag, or an American flag, or a Pride flag.
	That was reported as being hate crime, but of course the police were like, well, it's not really a hate crime, is it?
	Because it's a political movement.
	And there you go.
	Let's, let's have a quick whip around the world.
	So we've got Lawrence Fox and we've got Jerusalem where, uh, people ripping down the pride flags and vandalizing the synagogues that have them up, uh, over to Derby.
	Again, just why not?
	But someone in Derby tore down the flag that was up and, uh, in a London school.
	there was the tearing down of a pride flag and they spoke to one gay activist at the school who said quote the tearing down of a pride flag at london school left him disgusted and frightened i really disliked how many people were cheering well maybe not try to force it on everyone Yep.
	Yep.
	No.
	Why people should celebrate someone for just being.
	Why should 1% of the population be able to put up their flags and demand that everyone not only respects but celebrates it?
	Yeah.
	When someone's like, yeah, I'm not having this, tears it down, and there's a chorus of cheers, it's like, well, I'm just really sad and afraid now that everyone's cheering that I can't oppress them.
	It's the principal skinner meme, is it?
	Is it the children who are wrong?
	No.
	Yeah, it is.
	It actually is the principal skinner meme, but just with pink hair.
	Anyway, going over to Canada, there was a business in Canada called the Wartley Auto Service, which is a car repair shop, and the owner, Matt Smith, has flown the flag during Pride Month and he was like, well, I'm losing business.
	People won't come to my shop while I display the gay racial pride flag.
	Well, there's a stark awareness of what this flag now represents.
	This is something that Matt Walsh has done great with, with What Is A Woman, the amount of testimonials and detransitioners coming out and the untold amounts of harms done in pursuit of gender affirmative care.
	And so because it's entered the public consciousness, because you guys wouldn't leave it alone, then yeah, you put up a political symbol and you're going to get opposition.
	Yeah, I mean, if this was basically private, you know, if you basically just kept to yourselves, then you probably could have done this for an indefinite period of time.
	But that's the thing, I don't think that's possible.
	And that comes back to the need to celebrate.
	It is, okay, what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, Hypothetically, if you don't have to pay attention to it, it shouldn't matter.
	But what you continually do is how you conceive of yourself, and so if you're doing something you're ashamed of, it affects your interpersonal interactions, so you have the perverse incentive to go out and change all of society to make people accept you so that you don't feel as insecure anymore.
	Yeah, why do the judgments they make have any effect on you?
	I think it shows two different pictures of progress.
	One is the fast one that says let's rum it all down everyone's throat.
	It, of course, is going to cause a backlash.
	People won't like it.
	People will protest against it.
	And there's the other one that, you know, if the people who give power to that movement cared about them and they don't, they would be a bit more conservative with the steps they would take to talk about issues.
	This is the thing as well, I kind of don't want to play into the progress paradigm, because I think, and you might be sympathetic to this, England's kind of always tolerated as eccentrics, as long as we don't mainstream self-negative or aberrant lifestyle practices as a thing to be emulated.
	And so, you know, if Douglas Murray wants to walk down the high street holding hands with his boyfriend, nobody's going to chuck rocks at him in a polite English society.
	Maybe in certain cities, but...
	Well, yeah, before mass immigration.
	I mean, I qualify that statement.
	But now we've gotten to the point where there are men on floats in dog costumes doing obscene things in public.
	And so, excuse me if I'm not a fan of progress.
	I'd quite like to hit the brakes on this thing.
	Yeah, but that's not progress.
	I don't know.
	It is progress.
	They claim they are, but it doesn't mean they're sincere.
	I'm willing to let them have it on this one.
	You know, I think it depends on what you define the end goal of progress as, right?
	I mean, if the end goal of progress is making sure that every man, woman and child in this country is homosexual, Then that is progress.
	Progress is the liberation from constraint.
	It's a conception of progress, but I think that if we just give that conception to the other side, we're going to appear as anti-progress.
	I think that this is one of the major values of Western civilization, that you could say that to an extent it's pro-progress.
	Since about 1700, yeah.
	Before that, we kind of just worked out on a local level.
	Not necessarily, but that's a big conversation.
	It is indeed a big conversation.
	But the thing is, if this is where progress has gone, then I can see why there are people who are skeptical of the concept, right?
	Because then, okay, look, if we've arrived here, where is it you actually tried to get to?
	I'm more skeptical of the people who use that concept.
	Oh, I'm totally, totally skeptical of them too.
	But like, what's in their mind?
	You know, what's the end result?
	Is the question.
	Divide and conquer.
	I don't know.
	I think it's the total liberation of people from the concept of judgment.
	I'm more of a political realist.
	I don't take rhetoric like that at face value.
	But if people are willing to commit to... That may be for 1% of the population, but the people that give them power don't give it.
	Sure, but then there are people like Martine Rothblatt, who is a transgender woman, I think that's the right conceptualization, of where they wrote a book that says from transgender to transhuman, and they understand the link between technology that facilitates you becoming your full self-conception.
	Transgenderism is one step on the run to making your consciousness interchangeable in whatever form or body you would prefer.
	So it's not that this is disconnected or politically cynical.
	It's that this is from technological progress and the idea of the autonomous individual without constraint.
	This is a logical connection.
	It's not just a disjunction.
	I would say that's just for the 1% or for the few.
	But it's growing.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, but they're only 1% of the population for now.
	So it's 1% of the 1%.
	No, I'm talking about them.
	I'm saying that there may be some hardcore ideologues who will say that, you know, progress is, you know, liberation and they conceive of liberation as wearing the dog costume.
	But I think that the people who give them power, they don't care about that.
	The people who give them power want to play divide and conquer against everyone else, against the indigenous population.
	And that is why they're using the population in the beginning when you talked about the I'm not sure I'm not sure there's a hard dividing line though.
	I mean like I think Rachel Levine probably does believe if you were sitting down and go right in an ideal world what would you be after?
	They're like well people to be able to be whatever they have the the feeling of being regardless of what their objective body is.
	I think they would say that and they're the people in power so.
	Okay.
	I don't think, I mean, I'm not saying that you're not wrong.
	I'm a bit skeptical of the rhetoric.
	I'm not saying you're wrong because there are definitely cynical corporations, cynical agents who are like, well, this will get us kudos on social media.
	Well, you know, they thought they were going to court a demographic, right?
	And so they thought, okay, that's sales.
	That's definitely true.
	But I think the woman who did that, who was fired recently, I think she operated from a sincere position of belief.
	And I'm not saying that they've thought this through because I don't think they have.
	They just don't realize that they're taking steps on a particular path that arrives with them having to essentially consent that, yeah, essentially people are trapped inside their own bodies.
	And I don't agree with that.
	You know, that's obvious nonsense.
	So I'm not, I'm not like saying you're wrong.
	There definitely are the cynical actors, but I think interweaving with that are the people who have these crazy insensitive beliefs.
	I think we could achieve a sort of compromise by saying that there are many, many, many people who get high with their own supply here.
	So, yeah, the number of people who believe that this is our growth... Yeah, they huff their own farts constantly, and hence, coming back to the narcissism point, it's a big feedback loop.
	Well, yeah, that's why I included that one from Frome, because we're just celebrating ourselves.
	That's such an embarrassing thing to say.
	It's literally public masturbation.
	Yeah, I'm literally just going around going, hey, look at me, I'm brilliant.
	It's like, well, I could do that.
	I do do that, but I don't get a month for it.
	Exactly.
	Where's my month?
	Anyway, we'll leave that there.
	Right, so the next thing I want to talk about today.
	is that when someone tells you what they're doing uh just believe them right the the most sensible thing to do is just to believe at face value what they're saying because they're saying it at face value for a reason right they don't have to dog whistle if they're just going to sit there and go hi we're coming for your children haha Yeah, we know you are.
	We know.
	That's not, like, you know, you don't have to hide behind irony.
	We know that's what you're doing.
	You say that's what you're doing, and there's just loads of evidence to show that's what you're doing.
	They literally sang about it.
	Well, we'll get to that in a minute, but first... I mean, we will get to that in a minute because they...
	Honestly.
	Speaking of sincere convictions, eh?
	Well, that's the point.
	Speaking of weird cult-like sincere convictions, go check out Josh and Bo's episode of Epochs on the Waco siege.
	This was, of course, about the Seventh-day Adventists, the Branch Dravidians, getting in trouble with the government because they believed things too much.
	This is pretty awful stuff, to be honest, but also fascinating.
	Rory's in the thumbnail.
	As we celebrate pride on the progress we've made over these past years, there's still work to be done.
	Right, so you will remember in 2021 that the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus released a song.
	A message from the gay community.
	As we celebrate pride on the progress we've made over these past years, there's still work to be done.
	So to those of you out there who are still working against equal rights, we have a message for you.
	You're making me listen to this.
	Yup.
	Yep. Yep.
	Yup.
	Yep.
	But you're just frightened.
	You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked.
	Funny, just this once, you're correct.
	We'll convert your children.
	Happens bit by bit, quietly and subtly, and you will barely notice it.
	Leave that there.
	Thanks, Pennywise.
	The term convert is really interesting.
	Because it has fanatic connotations.
	It does, doesn't it?
	Well, it also implies that they're not just born this way.
	But I was told that was homophobic.
	Well, if we still meant their position, they would say we'll convert them to a tolerant method of thinking.
	Sure.
	Not necessarily make the children themselves gay, although an uncharitable reading could interpret it that way.
	I'm inclined to be uncharitable.
	I can tell.
	But anyway, so this was allegedly a satirical video.
	And you've got places like LGBTQ Plus Nation going, well, right-wing ghouls are calling these guys beedos because of a satirical video.
	Didn't they do a musical about Afghan boys?
	Wasn't that a thing?
	I remember Callum covering this quite a while ago with you.
	I don't recall that offhand.
	I believe that was the case.
	Well, we will...
	I'm happy to be fact-checked in the comments, but I do remember a segment being done on that by Callum.
	I can't remember offhand, but... Anyway, they say that the gay choir is receiving threats, death threats, and right-wing media is claiming that they're paedophiles and trolls trying to get them fired from their jobs, all because of a satirical video.
	Now, where was the satire in the video?
	I think that there are some things that we shouldn't make fun of.
	And this is one of them.
	And second point, I presented a bit on this yesterday on the third segment and what I was saying is that there is a double standard here as there are everywhere with wokeness and it has to do with comedy and jokes.
	They hate when other people make jokes and they say that it's implicit bigotry and implicit hatred, but they want the liberty to make jokes.
	They just want it for themselves.
	And by the way, that's not a joke.
	No, no, you can't make jokes about gays or trans or race or anything like that, but they can make jokes about corrupting your children.
	But the thing is, where was the joke?
	They literally say, well, we're doing this for diversity inclusion.
	We're bit by bit going to convert your children to our way of thinking so that they accept our lifestyles.
	That's not a joke.
	That's literally their political platform.
	Yeah.
	There's nothing satirical about that.
	They completely endorse that.
	And they mean it sincerely.
	They are just coating it in this.
	plausibly deniable sort of um shell so they can say no no no that's just a kid so okay well if it's just a joke you aren't actually doing this you don't actually want tolerance you don't actually want children to be converted to this way of thinking and they would say no of course we do well there we go it's classic Morton Bailey deception they'll advance the most extreme form of the argument and then retreat to the other one and claim you're the bigot for misinterpreting them yeah and then you'll get pride marches in 2023 where they just start chanting we're coming for your children yeah
	I've had to blur this because Pride March.
	Not appropriate for YouTube?
	It's hard to think of anything more sinister than that.
	Yeah.
	So do you know where this was?
	This was a New York ride and this was filmed by Elad Eliyahu from Timcast, but they said that they didn't want to put a watermark on it to not claim excessive credit for it because this is such an important story.
	So just wanted to credit the lads down there for doing the work so that other people don't have to be around these awful dejects.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, literally if anyone under any circumstance, Says that I'm coming for your children.
	That's a threat.
	Yeah.
	Because they are, of course, not your children, not their children to come for.
	They are your children and they're the most precious thing to you.
	And so someone says, I'm coming for your children.
	They are trying to destroy your family.
	That's what that means.
	So understandably, people were upset by this as in.
	Seems that you've said that you're coming for our children one too many times and we're not happy about it.
	And so you had very respectable news organizations like NBC News who said, well, actually, I mean, they've been saying that we're coming for your children for years at Pride events.
	That's the problem.
	Which doesn't exactly make it any better.
	It doesn't make it any better.
	Not much of a defense.
	Anyone else who would have said something like that, that would be treated as incitement to violence.
	Yes.
	Well, not really though, because it came directly from the White House.
	Because Biden has now multiple times at teacher's conferences and in his own infographics said there's no such thing as other people's children.
	They're all our children.
	He has.
	But this has been used by long-time attendees and gay rights activists who say it's one of the many provocative expressions used to regain control of slurs against LGBT people.
	Oh, we're reclaiming the word?
	Yeah.
	We're reclaiming the term, we're coming for your children.
	That's not a term you guys would want to associate yourself with if you weren't pro-grooming.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	And so obviously this led to many memes, like this one from Leo.
	They're coming for our children, homophobic bigot.
	And then they actually say, we're coming for your children.
	They've been saying that for years.
	It's pride culture, bigot.
	So, I mean, you can't win.
	And that's the point.
	If Leo's coming out against trans activists, you know, they've gone too far.
	Yeah.
	So let's go to the article, in fact, because there's some entertaining bits in here.
	To conservative pundits, activists and lawmakers, the video confirmed allegations they've levied in recent years that the LGBT community is grooming children.
	What, when they came out and said you're grooming your children?
	Yeah, I'm pro childhood innocence.
	That is a hill I will die on.
	Thank you very much.
	That's exactly right.
	But to Brian Griffin, the original organiser of the NYC Drag March.
	Shut up.
	If that's the worst they've heard, it's only because he wasn't there this year.
	I didn't go this year.
	You would have heard worse, says the organizer of NYC Drag.
	What?
	I dread to ask what would have been worse than we're coming for your children?
	I mean, he does give examples of the next paragraphs.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he said that he has chanted obscene things in the past, like kill, kill, kill.
	We're coming to kill the mayor.
	Joked about pubic hair and sex toys during the marches.
	And they regularly sing God is a lesbian.
	I have quibbles with their theology.
	Sure, but he says it's all just words.
	It's all presented to fulfill their worst stereotypes of us.
	Right, and when we misgender you, it's all just words.
	You would think so, and that's correct, but why would you want to fulfill the worst stereotypes about them?
	What's the end game there?
	If you didn't mean it, why did it come to mind?
	I think it's an insult to people.
	It is a sort of nemesis.
	It's like saying, we're already too powerful and you're going to accept this, whatever we say.
	It's nemesis.
	I agree.
	This is the moment.
	This is hubris.
	This is a flex.
	We are literally so powerful, we can kill the mayor, we can chant God is a lesbian, we can chant we're coming for your children and there's nothing you can do about it.
	That's what the video from the chorus was.
	We're literally doing it.
	There's an implicit threat there that if you cannot avoid it, join it.
	Yes.
	Get on side with the winning team or else.
	And so they say the coming for your children chant has been used for years at Pride events.
	If I was just a normal gay person, I'd be like, God, these are the worst.
	According to longtime Marching attendees, it's one of the many provocative expressions used to regain control of slurs against LGBT people.
	It's like, how does that regain control?
	It just makes everyone think, well, that's exactly what you're doing.
	And so they say, in this case, right-wing activists are jumping on a single video to weaponize an out-of-context remark to further stigmatize the queer community.
	But you've just said they chant it all the time!
	What's the context that it's been taken out of?
	You've said worse, and you've said that this has been going on for years.
	So how is it out of context, and how is it just one isolated example?
	That's a pattern.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Also, listen to the choir singing about how they didn't do this.
	This is just the one example we've caught.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's not even out of context.
	You're literally saying, yeah, this is what we're trying to do.
	Because we want to take control of the slur.
	It's like, okay, but you're not saying we want to change the meaning of the slur.
	Like, you are still in favor of what the slur means.
	You just want to be able to say it proudly.
	Because you're a pride.
	You can't call me a groomer.
	That's our word.
	Exactly.
	It's just such a weird, such a weird flex.
	But I mean, take them seriously.
	They are doing this.
	This is why they're concerned with all of the LGBT indoctrination in schools.
	This is why they do this or this is why they want drag queen story hour.
	It's entirely upfront.
	They are not like joking.
	They're not.
	They're not unserious.
	They're totally serious about this.
	Right.
	But anyway, the organizer for this year's Drag March was someone known as HuckleFairyKen.
	He sounds trustworthy, doesn't he?
	Who also performs drag as SisterLottieDar.
	Wait, that's not the drag name.
	No, HuckleFairyKen is not the drag name.
	SisterLottieDar is the drag name, right?
	But he declined an interview request, citing fears for his safety in light of the backlash of the video clip.
	But he said in the email that the Coming For Your Children chant is a bad joke.
	is being used to serve the interests of parasitic, predatory, political propaganda and policy.
	Oh, that's parasitic and predatory.
	Well, I agree.
	Something here is parasitic, predatory, political propaganda and policy.
	But he says, quote, we won't tolerate any harm towards any child and advocate for the protection and encouragement of every child to be able to live their true, authentic selves free from fear of persecution.
	Again, says Huckleberry Ken, someone who I definitely trust on this issue.
	Yeah, and this is something that I'm sure you'll get on the Steady Offices.
	The manipulation of language here is so key.
	We will not tolerate any harm that comes to a child, and by harm, they mean any impediments to gender-affirming care, which is chemical, medical, and psychological abuse.
	But also behavioural.
	I mean, things that are done to these children.
	I mean, we definitely disagree on what constitutes harm.
	And let me just say that when it comes to being the authentic self for centuries, that was an issue of values.
	It wasn't an issue of self-identification.
	That's a great point.
	It was an issue of what you value.
	But now value is completely thrown away.
	If these kids were not their authentic selves, and it's not a social contagion, so that means there must have been millions of trans children all throughout history, why is there not an unbroken chain of child suicides?
	But that is why they want to revise history, and that will be the next trend of historical revision.
	Oh yeah, all the trans vikings, I forget.
	I'm sorry, I'm bigoted.
	They have claimed that there are trans vikings.
	I know, yeah.
	There's whole legions of conquering warlords.
	It's very convincing.
	For some reason there are no contemporary accounts.
	There are lots of contemporary accounts of vikings, just none of them being trans.
	They're always misgendered as being men, actually.
	Anyway, moving on, let's just get to more.
	Very inappropriate things at Pride.
	Again, post-millennial here, naked adults expose themselves to children at Seattle Pride.
	If you go to the next one, there's a man in pants twerking in front of children.
	We can't show pictures of this, obviously.
	So scroll down on that, John.
	But they say, you know, in the CBS Austin, they say that in a now viral video, not a man can be seen wearing nothing but white briefs, white socks and a rainbow garter while twerking in the middle of the road in front of a group of onlooking children.
	And they give us a definition of twerking from Miriam Webster, which is, quote, sexually suggested dancing characterized by rapid, repeated hip thrusts and the shaking of the buttocks, especially while squatting.
	Sounds appropriate for children, doesn't it?
	One parent is seen in the clip turning a child away from the display.
	No kidding.
	Why would you bring your child to a pride parade?
	Yeah.
	Did you not think, I'm going to go to the pride parade.
	I'm surely not going to see any twerking.
	Yeah.
	The parents are engaging in as much abuse here as the public performing exhibitions.
	But even the parents who take their children to the pride parade, it's like, okay, we don't look at that, you know.
	What did you expect?
	Yeah, exactly.
	What were you expecting?
	There's no moral safeguard against this action happening in public.
	You have your own moral framework.
	What is the message?
	Be your twerking self?
	Yeah.
	What is it?
	I can't understand why they take them to these shows.
	It's sexual exhibitionism.
	That's what this is.
	Yeah, but so the parents, why do they take their children there?
	It's to de-stigmatize... What, twerking?
	Yeah, genuinely, yeah.
	Yeah, but the children aren't necessarily grown-up.
	Yeah, but they're blank slates.
	They think that you can reprogram people out of their... Yeah, but that's sinister.
	I'm not disagreeing with you, mate!
	We all think they should be locked up.
	Middle-class, liberal, white women...
	Don't agree with you.
	I think this is fine.
	Have you seen the studies on borderline personality disorder in mothers for those of trans children?
	No.
	The rates are astronomical.
	I do not doubt.
	It has to do a lot with progressive parenting.
	Yeah.
	I've seen, I've seen, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm like secretly in some Facebook groups that are like pro trans.
	No, no.
	Like I just like, they're never gonna let me in.
	But then, I mean, so I can't comment because if I comment, they'll get kicked out.
	But you see, just it's, Single mothers, mostly, going, my trans child is starting to tell me that they feel like a boy or something.
	What can I do?
	So what do you mean, what can you do?
	Anyway, so this is, of course, the purpose of all of this, and this is the purpose of Drag Queen Story Hour.
	We've recently had a Drag Queen Story Hour in Swindon.
	There were protests on one side, there were communists, and on the other side, there were normal people who were like, maybe you shouldn't pervert children.
	But let's just carry on just, you know, when they say they're coming for your children, so Drag Queen Story Hour is one.
	The next one was pornographic books, pornographic homosexual books that are in the local school library.
	This was a book called Nick and Charlie.
	The advised age is 14, but, um, you know, I don't really think I can actually read what's in the book on YouTube.
	So I won't, but, uh, needless to say, it's just not appropriate.
	It's about two young men having sex, right?
	Same with, uh, genderqueer that we're aware of.
	And, and this book is gay, which has instructions on how to develop fecal matter.
	Yes, these are not the only folks, of course.
	And then you've got people who want to have private chats with kids, like this middle school teacher in Portland.
	Wants to privately chat.
	I mean, look at what he says there.
	My favorite kid is a sweet little lesbian angel.
	Constantly sends me very JCG-esque jokes about the queer experience in private chat.
	Why don't you have a seat right over here?
	Yeah.
	I mean, they are coming for your children.
	They're not joking about it.
	This is all the evidence of it, and they're very proud of what they're doing, which is why they call it Pride.
	Anyway, let's move on to something that's hopefully a little more entertaining, which is the Glastonbury Festival 2023.
	Have you ever been to Glastonbury?
	No.
	You're not much of a hippie then, are you?
	I'm not a hippie.
	I never was.
	Connor, you're a young person.
	Do I look like I would be seen dead in a field surrounded by middle class, triple bell surnamed, off their head with a cup of ket in one hand and a cup of their own urine in the other?
	No, thank you.
	I want to say I've watched a lot of great bands live, though.
	It wasn't in a festival context.
	I saw the BBC thing of Glastonbury last year because my parents were watching it.
	And I was heartbroken when my future wife, Billie Eilish, got up on stage and talking about Roe v. Wade.
	I do like those whining songs.
	okay look she's got very good voice.
	She looks damaged man.
	I can fix her.
	No, no, this is not the right mindset.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I totally agree.
	Just steer clear, man.
	Anyway, before we begin, go check out the latest episode of Brokenomics, where Professor Peter St Onge was interviewed by Dan.
	He is an economist at the Heritage Foundation, a fellow at the Mises Foundation, a former professor, and a person who is concerned about the way things are going.
	So he actually has some useful stuff to say.
	Glowing reviews on this interview, by the way.
	So go and check that out.
	Anyway, let's begin with Glastonbury.
	So Glastonbury is, of course, highly political.
	This is a band called Young Fathers who were on the stage saying, well, let's just watch.
	Say it loud!
	Say it clear!
	Refugees are welcome here!
	Say it loud!
	Say it clear!
	Refugees are welcome here!
	Fuck the 40s!
	This one's for Suella!
	Shame!
	Sorry, I remember the same thing happening in Greece in 2015.
	Oh yeah?
	Yeah, where the borders opened and in a year we had an influx of 10% of the population.
	That would be the equivalent of 7 million people in the UK in a year.
	Right.
	Well, 14 times more than...
	The actual number.
	The latter half of his statement, F the Tories, this one was Suella.
	This one's for Suella.
	That was very much also the sentiment inside the National Conservative Conference after the mainstream conservatives finished their speech.
	So perhaps there might be an ollage branch to be extended here.
	No, definitely not for what they're asking for.
	So who are the Young Fathers?
	I've never heard of this band, obviously.
	If we can go to the next one.
	They're a Scottish group that were formed in Edinburgh, Scotland.
	Scottish group formed in Edinburgh, Scotland.
	They won Scottish Album of the Year in 2013.
	In 2014, they got the Mercury Prize for their debut album.
	Their second album was called White Men Are Black Men Too.
	What?
	Average Scottish thought.
	That's what Scottish people tend to think about.
	The members of the band are Aloysius Masakoi, born in Liberia, moved to Edinburgh in the age of four, Caius Bankoli, Born in Edinburgh to Nigerian parents, and Graham Hastings, who was actually born in Edinburgh as well, and grew up on a housing scheme.
	Average Scottish band.
	So anyway, this reminded me very much of Corbyn's 2017 speech in Glastonbury, because it's always been insanely left wing.
	Because it's insanely middle class.
	And because the middle class literally have no conception of morality at all.
	And so any programming that has come down to them, they can be told by the authorities, oh, this is good.
	Finally, I don't have to do any more thinking.
	Refugees good.
	Tory's bad.
	Moral calculus sorted.
	Now I'm a good person, right?
	So if we get to the next one, this was him speaking at Glastonbury with very much the same message.
	So in the last six years, it's been the same message over and over and over.
	Of course, Corbyn is dressing the great golden God Emperor, Donald Trump.
	You brought the spirit of music, spirit of love, the spirit of ideas, and you brought the spirit of messages, great messages.
	There's a message on that wall for President Donald Trump.
	Do you know what it says?
	Build bridges, not walls.
	The Pope said that once as well.
	On what wall, though?
	What wall indeed?
	Because I actually looked this up.
	If you get to the next one, John, you can see that Glastonbury Festival is protected by Sunbelt Rentals, right?
	They say, quote, we provide more than 8000 metres of what they call the Super Fortress Fence.
	Around the perimeter of the site.
	It's the barrier from World War Z. Yeah.
	Yeah, no, it's actually the barrier from World War Z. Right.
	And there's eight kilometers as well of interior mesh fence.
	So this is a wall that puts the walls of Constantinople to shame.
	Way bigger.
	They've got the sentry turrets for the high rise in dread.
	Yeah.
	Does it electrocute you if you touch it?
	I don't know if it's electrified yet, but I imagine in the future there will be something like that.
	But is there a picture of this?
	It's just enormous, right?
	And so they're like, the reason that they need this fence, right, is quote, to help ensure the continued future of the Glastonbury Festival by stopping illegal entry into the site and providing a safe environment for legitimate festival goers.
	Oh, come on!
	I totally agree!
	I totally agree, Jeremy Corbyn.
	So when they say refugees are welcome here, they don't mean inside the super fortress fence.
	I can't believe it's called the super fortress fence.
	I wish this was just along the beach of Dover.
	Yeah, right.
	Could we build maybe a bigger super fortress fence?
	Could other people contract these to build more fortress fences around things that we want to make a safe environment for legitimate people in there?
	It's just amazing.
	It's four metres high and eight kilometres long.
	It's amazing.
	You should dig trenches and have hot oil for people who want to enter.
	Alligators!
	Why not?
	People would have battering rams to enter.
	Sort of Siege of Helm's Deep.
	The walls of Helm's Deep probably were not four metres high.
	They wouldn't lose money.
	So I just can't get over, like where are all those people like fences don't work?
	Well, the Glastonbury Festival proves that they do work.
	Walls work.
	So all of them, all of the, again, refugees are welcome here.
	Yeah.
	Not here, you know, build wall, build bridges, not walls, except for that wall, you know, go build your bridge somewhere else.
	Right.
	So they can say one thing, but the revealed preference It's for very sturdy defenses that clearly work and protect the integrity of the Glastonbury Festival for the legitimate festival goers who have paid to enter, who deserve to be there, to keep out the riffraff and immigrants who haven't.
	That's what that's about.
	But anyway, so let's go on.
	There was a screening, or due to be a screening, of a very controversial Jeremy Corbyn film there.
	Of course, Jeremy Corbyn has been ejected from the left by the fascist Keir Starmer, quote unquote, and his stormtroopers, who have been like, you know what, we're not having all this communism nonsense, we'd like to win power at some point.
	And so this was a film called, a controversial film, called Jeremy Corbyn, The Big Lie.
	What's controversial about the title?
	The title isn't the thing that's controversial, I suspect.
	Well, well, well.
	Might be.
	I mean, where does the phrase a big lie come from?
	Yeah, that was kind of a question, wasn't it?
	Goebbels, isn't it?
	Yes, it is.
	So what was he kicked out of the Labour Party for again?
	It was anti-Semitism.
	That's true, dear.
	Oh no.
	And so the Glastonbury Festival organisers were like, hang on a second.
	This feels vaguely antisemitic.
	It's just three hours of Jeremy Corbyn scrolling through Wikipedia pages.
	And of course the the screening was cancelled after accusations of antisemitism.
	There were lots and lots of people who are leveraging antisemitism against Jeremy Corbyn.
	Do you actually think Jeremy Corbyn is an antisemite?
	He did write a foreword to a book that had some rather anti-semitic chapters in it, so I would say he's either the world's worst judge of character, or he consistently picks positions that aren't big fans of the people of Israel.
	Just happened to a line.
	Uh, I personally don't actually think he's a genuine anti-Semite.
	I think he's just a really poor judge of character.
	Um, but maybe I'm just being too charitable to old Mr. Corbyn there.
	Uh, but anyway, this, they apparently were going to screen it anyway.
	We don't care.
	We're screening it.
	You know, I couldn't actually find out whether it had actually been screened or not.
	So I'm just going to assume it was, uh, cause, uh, why not fight the power?
	Screen the anti-Semitic film at Glastonbury.
	If you have to.
	Anyway, so the Guardian!
	There we go, it has actually been there.
	Oh yeah, it was actually, yeah.
	Right, okay.
	It was in a small tent outside the festival, at the festival, right.
	And a committed group of hardcore anti-Semites.
	You can tell it's so middle-class because they're laughing, it's like a Hindu wedding.
	Yes.
	Come on, but look at them all.
	I think the age average is close to 97.
	Well, let's talk about that because the Guardian were like, Hey, check out the British youth at Glasnobury.
	Now they changed the title of this, but you can see in the link at the top, this is what the British youth look like by Martin Parr.
	Right.
	They changed the title because it turned out, and if you want to just scroll through this a minute, John, the, uh, as you see from the pictures, actually that's the youngest looking person there.
	Go down to the next one.
	You'll realize that, uh, sorry.
	Yeah.
	They've got a particular, yeah.
	They're not looking quite so young actually at all.
	Yeah.
	I mean, don't get wrong.
	You know, I'm sure that dads, they try to keep it real.
	Yeah.
	Like these actually aren't very young people at all.
	Uh, but what a beautiful bunch they are.
	Right.
	Physiognomy is real.
	Yeah.
	Come on, have some modesty.
	I mean, they must be friends.
	I don't think there are a couple.
	Just typical young people in Britain, you see.
	Don't you feel represented, Connor?
	To be fair, I do frequent a pub near Soho, so I have seen this on a Saturday night.
	Look, there's Granny there.
	I don't like the tiger outfits.
	Sorry?
	I don't like the tiger dresses.
	Well, I know who does.
	They're the youngest people there, I imagine.
	Men in their 20s.
	Again, British youth on display.
	Anyway, we'll leave that there because we'll get to the stats of the festival because we actually have that.
	That was fun.
	So talking about festival data is very interesting, right?
	Half of them are married or in a relationship.
	So this isn't just young single people have fun.
	More than half are married or in a relationship and the overall average age is 39.
	I would feel quite at home there, actually.
	21 to 25 year olds are only 18% of the festival.
	So it's insufferable middle class Gen Xers?
	Yes.
	Yes, that's exactly it.
	So that is an interesting broader point, though.
	It's that most single young people are so atomized and stratified they're just barely meeting each other anymore.
	Yeah, who are you going to go to the festival with?
	Younger than friends?
	What is it, like 27% of young men 18 to 30 have reported no partners in that time?
	Okay that's like societal collapse level figures and I don't blame them for not wanting to go to this particularly because you're not exactly gonna meet a nice girl when she's in a Primark one-piece hopped up on MDMA are you?
	Might meet a nice milf.
	39 years old like Leo DiCaprio on the beach big fan of pizza and lager which is apparently mostly what they drank and ate or bars attending Glastonbury this year apparently it's a high class with my Billy Eilish with my Jeremy Corbyn anyway moving on you may have noticed one thing about Glastonbury and it's pretty white and this is a this is a thing they've been saying for a while Hamzy Yusuf most effective yeah they've got a diversity
	So they've at least paid lip service to diversity.
	They say, we recognize the festival has grown within a wider society where discrimination on the basis of race, gender, ethnicity or visible or unseen disabilities, sexual orientation, heritage, oh my God, religion, age, family, social class or education has perpetuated structural inequalities which limit people's life's chances.
	Yes, being a human Is what determines what is potentially something you can or can't do.
	For example, I'm five foot nine.
	I will never be a basketball player.
	I have come to peace with this.
	Neither are you.
	I'm never going to be a hat model.
	That's very true.
	Yeah, exactly.
	See, there are limits because people are human beings and they are different.
	But they say, we've been listening to the experiences of our audience, crew and artists.
	They're renewing our commitment to identifying and addressing inequality wherever it might exist within the festival.
	Because of course, Glastonbury Festival is riddled with inequalities, such as when they announced their headlines, a lot of people were like, hang on a second, these are all white men?
	It's also the aligning act.
	Presumably big names can, they sing, they have the final stage to sing.
	There's also the inequality between those who go into it and those who are separated from it by the fence, you showed.
	I can't remember who it was.
	Lizzo was below like, you know, a very famous and ancient rock band.
	I can't remember which one it was.
	I'm not surprised.
	Well, exactly.
	But loads of them were like, well, why isn't Lizzo headlining?
	Why should she be?
	Yeah, why should she be?
	Exactly.
	I think it was like Guns and Roses or something.
	You know, it's like, come on.
	But anyway, so yeah, on Twitter, Glastonbury fans were like, hang on a second.
	There are a lot of straight white men here.
	I kind of hate straight white men.
	If you go back to the previous one, I hate straight white men.
	And literally that was, I mean, they literally said, quote, disappointing and awful.
	One wrote, an entirely all-white male headliner trio, bravo on the diversification Glastonbury, says the white audience of Glastonbury.
	May I ask, what was the reason that Lizzo cited for not being the headline act?
	Lizzo didn't complain.
	Was it fatphobia?
	Lizzo didn't complain.
	She was on the stage.
	There's a very strong, sturdy stage.
	It's as strong as the walls.
	Uh, no, Lizzo didn't complain.
	It was people complaining that there were white people on the stage.
	Anyway, let's move on some woke drama.
	Have you ever heard of Rina Sawayama?
	No.
	No, I've never heard of her either.
	But, uh, she, uh, on the stage was like, I wrote this song because I'm sick and tired of these microaggressions.
	This goes out to a white man who mocks Asians on his podcast.
	Oh, just shut up.
	Anyway, they did have some diversity, if we can go to the actual line-up.
	If you can scroll down on this a bit, you can see that they had some... Oh yeah, it was Guns N' Roses.
	Right, on the side, Lizzo, just below Guns N' Roses.
	Why isn't Lizzo's first?
	Because this is Guns N' Roses?
	I'm more offended that Rick Astley got last billing.
	Great point.
	Yeah, my celebrity look-alike got short-served.
	But as you can see, they did have diversity there, you know, shut up.
	I didn't have anyone good, really.
	They didn't really have much diversity in the crowd.
	And that's the issue.
	I'm surprised Texas is there.
	Fourth.
	I don't even know who the Arctic Monkeys are.
	What?
	Really?
	No.
	Queen of the Stone Age.
	I'm quite like them.
	I would have appreciated Elton John showing up until he turned around and said that the US is really prejudiced because of their gender-affirming care bans and I'm never performing there again.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Anyway, moving on.
	You get people who've been complaining about the lack of diversity at Glastonbury, but not on the stage.
	This was last year where Lenny Henry was like, oh yeah, they're all white.
	Why aren't they all white?
	And he said in an interview with the Radio Times, it's interesting to watch Glastonbury and look at the audience and not see any black people there.
	I'm always surprised by the lack of black and brown faces at festivals.
	I think, wow, this is still very much a dominant culture thing.
	Because it's not held in Brixton.
	What are you supposed to do, conscript them?
	Dunno, what are the options?
	What are your suggestions, Lenny?
	Y'know?
	Oh no, a bunch of English people are going to a festival.
	I have a problem with that.
	And so, the thing is, he makes a good point, because then it makes you wonder, well, who was, say, Stormzy's stab vest for in 2019?
	Do you remember this?
	Yeah, because when he got up on stage and called Boris Johnson a f***ing C. Yeah, if you go to the next one, Stormzy performed in a stab vest, allegedly made by Banksy, but that feels very much like a retcon to me, because apparently Stormzy had no idea it was made by Banksy, but it's okay, whatever.
	But why would he do this?
	Now, this was at the time during a spate of knife crime in London, primarily.
	Well, that's not changed.
	No, that hasn't changed.
	And it's being done primarily by young men in the black community, which again is still going on.
	So who is the statement being made for if, as Lenny Henry points out, they aren't present at Glastonbury?
	Right.
	It's genuflecting towards a woke middle class, kind of like a hyper real morality.
	It's like, look, I'm saying this, but what does this, what, you know, is there a single young man in London who's like, Oh wow, Stormzy wore that stab vest.
	I better think about putting down this knife.
	And also the constituency you're addressing within the crowd, do they have any tangible understanding of the causes of the issue or any of the solutions?
	No, they'll say it's racist.
	Yeah.
	And although also say it's socioeconomic factors.
	Yeah.
	And the Tories underfunding something or something, right?
	So what's the target audience?
	Well, it's to simply reinforce that being woke and progressive in the audience is good, and anyone who has any concrete suggestions is bad.
	I mean, Boris Johnson actually did get knife crime down because of stop and search.
	But of course, Stormzy would say stop and search is racist, and therefore the cycle will continue.
	So just a final thing, how much do you think the headline is being paid at Glastonbury?
	A Elton John?
	Yeah.
	Blimey.
	Got to be a couple of million.
	Nah, it's actually not that much.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's, uh, they say, quote, under 500,000 per headline.
	It's still quite surprising.
	But yeah, you'd think Elton John would charge more, wouldn't you?
	Yeah.
	But, uh, but no, that's, you know, not, not terrible amount, but I mean, hundreds of thousands.
	Yeah, I'd get out of bed for that.
	Don't get me wrong, but you know.
	Yeah, I personally would.
	Yeah.
	And so the next one is just a picture of the Vast Festival.
	Can we play this with no audio on, John?
	See if we can get that going in the background.
	Remember when you asked why I hadn't gone?
	That.
	I travel through London every day.
	Getting on the tube with it being that slightly dense is hell on earth for me.
	You're not going to pack me in a field, get smothered in mud and excrement and stand next to that many people and pay to do it as well.
	Do you think it's good for the environment?
	I doubt it.
	They're leaving plastic cups and small plastic bags everywhere.
	Yeah.
	They say they feel bad.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, that's okay then, if they feel bad.
	We've got pictures of the cleanup, actually.
	If we can go to the next one, John.
	You can see, you just flip through some of the pictures there.
	I mean, is that environmentalism?
	Let me just say something.
	I watched a documentary, I think it's called Trainwreck, and it was about Woodstock 99.
	And at some point there was a scene where there was a woman who was, I think, also in the original Woodstock in 1969, trying to get the people there to clean up.
	And she was handling them bags and they were completely pissed off.
	And they said, we paid so much money here.
	And it's amazing.
	It's an amazing documentary.
	Do you remember the story quite a few years ago that said that Bristol's river water is contaminated with cocaine due to all the urine?
	I think London says as well.
	Yeah, well, I wouldn't be surprised if the grass doesn't grow back without some severe assistance because I imagine that's very acidic.
	I mean, look at all that plastic that's been left everywhere.
	And these people would absolutely say, well, we need to reduce carbon emissions.
	I've seen Extinction Rebellion's there.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, there was a guy with the XR logos on his nipples, wasn't there?
	So you know these people are going to be totally bought into all of the woke environmental views, and that's how they leave the place.
	Very interesting.
	So I think this is just an interesting way of showing there's, there's, you know, the, the things you profess, there's the things you do.
	And in the case of the middle-class virtue signaling Ramona types, these never meet.
	And that is why I say that very frequently, I'm really skeptical of the values people claim to be in favor of.
	Well, it very much reinforces your point.
	And practice seems to not go together.
	It's what you continually do.
	Exactly.
	It totally reinforces your point.
	And so, They don't believe they're totally insincere and I'm tired of hearing from them.
	But anyway, let's go to the video comments.
	Tony D and we Scurvy Joan here with another tale of pirates in South Jersey.
	Adam Hyler.
	He was the captain of the Revenge and attacked the British during the Revolutionary War.
	He captured so many of the ships, the British sent an entire contingent of ships to attack Hyler and capture or kill him.
	They cornered him in New Brunswick twice.
	Good.
	And the second time, he received grave injuries.
	But it didn't stop him from attacking the hated British until finally, in 1782, he succumbed to his injuries, one year short of the end of the war.
	Good.
	It's a fascinating story.
	Greetings.
	My name is Andrew, and I just signed up as a premium member.
	I've been a listener for years and wanted to congratulate you on the new studio.
	As a man of five foot six inches tall, I just wanted to let Carl, Callum, and the rest of the manlets of the Lotus Eaters know that I stand tall with you in solidarity.
	Now I'm gonna look down on you for my position of being five foot nine.
	Sorry.
	I wouldn't make a height joke, but then Harry's gonna bust through the wall like the Kool-Aid Man with his case of gigantism.
	Thank you very much, but thanks for signing up by the way.
	Was that the last video comment?
	Andrew says, this call for a season of pride is likely a reaction to severe Conservative pushback against their vile ideology being pushed by Bud Light, Target, etc.
	It's a desperate bid and I eagerly look forward to further rejection of their wicked perversions.
	What do you make of that?
	That sounds about right.
	I mean, usually they just double down because they've got too many sunk costs in getting the ideology.
	It's the same thing why this is this is more of a practice point.
	But I think the right anti-work coalition, whatever you want to call it, has finally caught up to the framing of the trans debate and the need to be compassionate about this so that people who have been Sucked into the ideology that might be prospective detransitioners don't feel that they only have the trans cult to have their backs.
	We need to provide them a sort of road to restitution because even if they've been damaged it's, you know, it's easy to get out of that.
	Whereas they've got so many issues that they just need to keep making it worse and worse and worse.
	I think they're completely caught off guard because honestly, I don't get it.
	It's just weird because they're constantly pushing for this agenda for the whole year, the whole decade.
	I don't understand why they, it seemed to me that they were caught off guard with this.
	They just want constant affirmation.
	They want a sexual end of history.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, basically.
	SH Silver says, Stelios is correct as the notion of progress is subjectively based on the end goal you have.
	One man's progress is another man's regression.
	Well, that was kind of my point.
	I would say that it's more objective.
	It's that for me, objectively, what we are looking at is cultural disintegration.
	And I would call that, you know, not progress.
	I would call that, you know, moral decay.
	And for me, the notion of progress is inherently objective because it implies that you move from one state of affairs to a better state of affairs.
	So it all comes down to the code of ethics.
	I'm not a relativist on that, but it's okay.
	I mean, we can solve this issue now.
	The metrics that you're using to measure whether things are better.
	Uh, we, for example, the pride people and say, Connor, I've got vastly different metrics.
	They're going to be like, well, the number of people who I self-identify as gay or tolerant or accepting of gays and Connor would be like, yeah, but what about the number of people who get married?
	Yeah.
	Do you think that Connor is right on that?
	I mean, I personally think that it'd be better to have more people getting married, the more people saying they're gay.
	Yeah.
	So, for me, this conflates moral beliefs and moral truths.
	So, okay, obviously... Well, I mean, obviously it's a value judgment I'm making.
	Yeah, but I think that, for instance, in this case, Conor is correct, full stop.
	Well, yeah, I agree, but that's because of my... Yeah, but it's not correct for Conor, or from Conor's perspective, or from our perspective.
	It's correct in the same way that gravity is true.
	But that's only if you value the kind of society that Conor wants to live in.
	If you value the kind of society that has 24-7, 365 days a year pride, then no, Conor is regressive.
	Yeah, but he is regressive according to the moral beliefs of some people.
	According to their evaluative judgments.
	But we can definitely say, and that's what ethics is about, after the centuries, that there are better and worse codes of ethics.
	Oh, I mean, I totally agree.
	But again, the postmoderns would say, yeah, but isn't this really just down to your personal value judgments?
	And I kind of have to admit that it is.
	No, I see.
	I'll jump in and say that you can be more or less correct in accordance with sort of C.S.
	Lewis's Tao idea.
	But the very notion of adhering to the Tao is a value judgment.
	Yes, no, I agree with that.
	So I agree that there are parochial subjective avenues to some kind of more objective moral truths.
	And so we can say which one is preferable in getting in line with that.
	My quibble with progress is that if we get to my sort of desirable society, you know, Victorian era, for example, why do I need to progress from there?
	Like, so I don't think progress is an unamored good.
	I don't think we're constantly stewarding ourselves along a long arc towards a hypothetical better state.
	Why can't we just have maintenance instead?
	Let me say on this, because if this society represents your ideal, then there can be no progress because the ideal has been reached.
	I don't think we're living in the ideal Victorian society.
	I'm talking about the hypothetical society that Conor talks about.
	If for you it's the ideal, then any change from that would be regress.
	But they always say that we've got more work to do, so they must have an ideal society in mind that they want to achieve, right?
	Yeah.
	And so the question for them is like, when will they know that they've met it?
	And I think it will be literally when everyone says that they're gay.
	Or we can technologically transcend our bodies and become whatever we want to be.
	Sure, but even then, I think they wouldn't be happy.
	I think everyone has to be in some way abnormal for them to say we've arrived, you know.
	But anyway, Thane Scotty says, they perceive themselves as being in a war against reality.
	To address Connor, they've said for ages they believe they're being genocided.
	They've declared themselves to be at war by the way they view their relationship vis-a-vis the rest of society.
	If they can't be in control, then they're at risk.
	It is, ironically, political realism and basically the worst version of the satire of authoritarian societies.
	Machiavelli is more revered by accident by the deviants of our society than the people who have read The Prince.
	Yeah, that sounds about right.
	This drive for certainty as well, that's a great point Scotty's making there, is that if we're not in control of it all we're at risk of being genocided and that's just absurd obviously.
	It's the if you're not with us you're against us mentality and let us eliminate all possible Yes, the drive for certainty means you can never feel satisfied with what you've got because you can't, in a sense, anything you have, you have to accept is in some way uncertain.
	Just make a really short remark because I see Machiavelli being referenced a lot.
	Machiavelli has the Prince but he also has the Discourses on Livy which is a brilliant text and I'm preparing for doing eventually a symposium on it.
	It's a sort of different Machiavelli that we see there.
	Yeah, I mean the Prince is clearly written with an intent in mind that's not Not necessarily a statement of sincere beliefs.
	But anyway, that's something to cover later on.
	Le French is burning.
	Yeah, so there are massive protests in France, ethnic protests.
	We will cover that, just not right now.
	Pride parades were originally to show that the gays are just like you.
	They dress like you and have normal jobs like you.
	The only real difference is their partner and bedroom activities.
	It didn't take long to reach complete degeneracy.
	That's the thing.
	If Pride Parades were men in suits walking by, I'd be like, what are they doing wrong?
	But they never were though.
	This is something.
	They weren't terrible in the 70s.
	You see pictures of them.
	They're not awful.
	They were allied with NAMBLA.
	They were just better optics.
	Yeah, that's the point.
	Better optics.
	But like, the mask is just off now.
	Yeah, this is the thing that I think a lot of, and I see GB News hosts making this thing as well, of, can we just go back to the original, traditional Pride, where it was just, we want acceptance and equality, and it's like, no, it was kind of always a Trojan horse by the spearheads, unfortunately.
	It's not an aberration, it's a logical extension.
	Yep.
	George says, I still remember seeing Callum and Carl's coverage of their We're Coming For Your Children song.
	Both were very uncomfortable and they saw how vile these paedophiles are.
	The chant is the next master off moment.
	I think the worst monsters are the parents for taking their children to these events, even more so than the groomers.
	And the letter M is for Masquerade has a comment that basically follows on from that.
	Quote, I'm going to the Pride Parade today.
	I sure hope I don't see any naked men.
	But yeah, you know exactly what you're getting.
	It's like Ralph Wiggum from the films.
	Be careful what you wish for.
	Yeah.
	Man twerking in a baby's face.
	I'm in danger.
	It's mad.
	But Andrew, again, just any chance of coming for your kids should be treated as a threat.
	Yeah.
	Should be treated as incitement to violence.
	But I mean, the other guy was chanting, we're going to come and kill the mayor.
	Yeah.
	And that was fine.
	I just can't get over the privilege that these people enjoy.
	And the double standard.
	Well, it's not about hypocrisy.
	It's always about hierarchy with these people.
	Yeah, I'm past the double standards at this point.
	I'm just over it.
	It is, though, interesting because when people talk about their authentic and true selves, It's a massive hypocrisy.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it's about hypocrisy.
	It's a great point to raise.
	It's a good point.
	If you frame it right.
	It only matters if you, as a liberal, value hypocrisy and moral reciprocity.
	Trask a liberal.
	Yeah, I know.
	All right.
	What they want to do, they don't want to consider you as part of a moral constituency that's equally as worthy of consideration because they see you as an impediment to satisfying their urges.
	It's not about morality.
	It's about Self-classification.
	It's about power.
	The power to say that you are, you were right.
	Let's call it earlier.
	And the hypocrisy is a flex, right?
	The hypocrisy is saying, look, we're going to do this to you and there's nothing you can do about it.
	And we are going to enjoy humiliating.
	That's what the weird.
	Well, ironically, I think that's the, that's one of the few sincere bits.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, I agree.
	I think they're totally sincere about it.
	So it's just, I mean, it is a good point saying if you tie it to your authentic self as a hypocrite, that's quite good actually.
	But just merely charging with hypocrisy normally is just... they don't care.
	No.
	But the Oligarch says, there are no allies for the alphabet people.
	Allies suggest a reciprocal relationship.
	That's a good point.
	When your interests are attacked, will they have your back?
	Absolutely not, which is ironic considering it was the Muslims who stabbed them in the back first.
	I covered this the other day, it was in Michigan, where literally this gay Polish woman was like, but we stood up for them when they were being persecuted and they're the ones persecuting us.
	It's interesting because... I'm not going to finish my sentence.
	Yeah, but it's interesting though, but I want to say that what is blindingly obvious is that the groups that are allegedly groups of people with protected characteristics, they're completely incompatible.
	Yeah, and the only way to have them in a group together, organized, so they provide political support to the people who want to use them for divide and conquer, is if there is a common enemy invented.
	Yes.
	And when they're in power, the common enemy has been routed.
	So how do you keep that coalition together?
	Well, we're seeing you can't.
	And the common enemy is always the indigenous population.
	Yeah, but they've been totally defeated.
	This is why they have power.
	It's because for too long our side has not understood the friend-enemy distinction well enough.
	They will make allegiances of political expediency and then jettison, or they think they have the ability to jettison, the inconvenient elements when a time suits them.
	Fortunately for us, it seems to be exhausting itself with the fault lines of Muslims, LGBT, Black people and Jewish people over in the States particularly.
	They're not easily reconciled groups because they are constituencies with very disparate interests.
	Fundamentally irreconcilable beliefs.
	Hammurabi says, as a wise man once said, twice the pride, double the fall.
	I only hope that the longer they try to stretch this out, the more it blows up in their faces.
	Well, I mean, I think that the pendulum, you know, the backlash, we hear is coming.
	Do we see any sign of it?
	Yeah, the Christians that blocked the Dodger Stadium was quite successful the other day.
	Anheuser-Busch firing their executives.
	Yeah, but they didn't hire Alex Jones, did they?
	No, but steps in the right direction.
	ESG has had about $300 million flowing out of its funding in the last month or so.
	The Republicans are doing some inquiries in the Senate Judiciary Committee and the, oh I forget what the other one is in Congress, but they're actually looking into it, whether or not that will enact any legislation is a whole other thing, but the pressure is building.
	Not over here, though.
	No.
	Tom Van Gogh says, ah yes, the LGBT choir full of sex convicts.
	Was that confirmed?
	No, it wasn't.
	There were some suggestions that some people that looked like members of the choir had been found on the sex offender registry with mug shots, but it wasn't confirmed they were the same people.
	What are the odds that the LGBT choir that's singing We're Coming For Your Children would be found on a sex register, though?
	From San Francisco.
	From San Francisco.
	What are the odds?
	I mean, they're so low.
	You're just a bigot.
	Alex says, uh, Laws of Fox burning the pride flag was not legal because Britain has no legal concept of flag discretion.
	Uh, yeah, that's true.
	Uh, you can buy any flag and do anything you like with it because it's your property.
	Now, what you can't do is rip down flags put up legally by others as that is vandalism.
	Having said that, it was Jonathan Sumchin who said that laws must be tested in courts, and that maybe we should test whether vandalism applies to authorised propaganda of sexual deviancy.
	Thing is, I don't doubt that it would.
	You know what?
	I think after the Maya Forstater ruling where gender-critical beliefs are now a protected characteristic under the Equality Act, they might have some standing to defend themselves.
	Perhaps another L for the right.
	Perhaps, but he is right.
	I mean, like, you know, and so this is one that we're like, oh, this is a hate crime.
	When?
	No way.
	It's not a hate crime.
	A hate crime has to be against a person, not a set of ideas.
	Zen Chan says, the best comparison is when people like this do a mocking Nazi salute.
	The main difference is if we were to do that, a single person doing it for a moment, not a constant thing done in large groups.
	I guess the only close comparison would be the Kekistan flag looking like the Iron Cross.
	This isn't saying these are equal.
	I just like to bring comparable things saying, you know, blah, blah.
	But yeah, exactly.
	There's no point saying, oh, this is just satire.
	We're just chanting.
	We're coming for your children as a joke.
	It's been taken out of context.
	I don't believe you.
	Dead Baby Vaccine Brigade says these perverts should be given Lupron instead of the kids they're trying to indoctrinate.
	Yeah, it is interesting now, isn't it?
	Like the people getting Lupron are no longer the groomers.
	Again, not licensed by the FDA.
	Experimental surgeries as well.
	These are all very experimental.
	I'm still working on the Welcome to Hell podcast that we're going to do at some point.
	Yeah, you, Josh and I, uh, you, me, and Josh should definitely go through that.
	We're just going to go through pictures and statements.
	With a stiff drink.
	Yeah, it's going to be quite hard actually.
	It's not fun.
	Colton says, I know more than a couple of gay fellas who are absolutely tired of the alphabet community.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	We've got some working here.
	They just want to be with their partners and live happy lives and cannot stand pedos and their creepy agenda.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	This is another thing as well.
	Claiming to speak for gay people or everyone means that they are essentially oppressing a bunch of people.
	And that all of them think the same thing.
	Yeah.
	There's a homogenous political bloc when in fact there isn't.
	I met one of my best mates, who's a gay man, watches the show at the event you did in 2018 at our university.
	There's more than a few people that just go, leave us alone, please.
	Yeah.
	Well, this thing is, there's always been like, you know, places on the margins for unusual lifestyles in traditional culture.
	Yeah.
	England tolerates its eccentrics.
	Exactly.
	But they belong on the margins and everyone has recognized that.
	And even they have recognized this until this point, when now it is the dominant culture has to be the marginal culture.
	Well, one of the things he told me, and this is his position on it, is that being gay doesn't necessarily deserve to be celebrated.
	If anything, it deserves a little bit of sympathy, because he said, I can fall in love with someone and know they can never have my children.
	And I was like, you know what, that's actually a perspective that I feel terrible for you for, mate.
	But then now they're celebrating this bacchanalia of castrative sex in Pride Parades.
	It's just grim.
	Yeah, because this isn't about families.
	This is about I've also heard people saying that, you know, they don't like the whole way it is being projected.
	It was just, they just said, you know, I just wanted to be left alone and not be thrown stones.
	It's the gay version.
	I just want to grill, bro.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it is.
	There's also, sorry.
	No, no.
	Well, there's also this kind of weird, I don't think there are any gay people who live on my street, because it's just a street of families.
	And so I don't spend any time thinking about gay people.
	If I meet a gay person, okay, so what?
	You know, they don't have any particular effect on my life.
	But if you're constantly pumping into people's heads, they start forming opinions on what they see.
	And if these opinions are, we're coming for your children, we're going to be naked in front of them, we're going to pervert them as much as we can, then a person who otherwise has had no contact with gay people now has a prejudice against gay people.
	And one thing to add is that, you know, just like all people, sexuality is not the only thing that defines us.
	Absolutely.
	Those who think that sexuality is the only thing that defines us and the only thing that should be celebrated and talked about in its domain, it's just weird.
	Terrifically boring.
	But also, this is what I mean about the flair.
	So it's like, you know, essentially, if you're just some normal person who's maybe a bit introverted to me, you're going to feel lit up by society on this.
	And then if you've got a group of people like, well, we hate you and we're going to kill you.
	Not what I'm saying, there is a group like that.
	But if there were to be, then you'd be like, okay, you have made me afraid of them.
	because you can't shut up and you've really inflamed them.
	Whereas I was just grilling.
	It's also a leveling down effect because you presumably, let's say you have a great musician.
	Oh yeah.
	Now he's just gay.
	Yeah, that person would want to be remembered primarily as a great musician.
	For their individual merit.
	That's the thing that's happened to Freddie Mercury after his death as well.
	Bohemian Rhapsody wasn't necessarily about the music or the fact that he was also bisexual.
	It was that, oh, he's a gay man.
	And it's like, okay, well, that's not the most interesting thing about him.
	He is Freddie Mercury.
	Yeah, but it's like his ability to come on the stage was the most interesting about Freddie Mercury.
	His voice as well, man.
	But anyway, Baron Von Wark says, when it comes to the term we are coming for your children, the Urban Dictionary defines it as Schrodinger's douchebag.
	It's when someone says something wrong and then determines its authenticity based on reactions of those around them.
	If the public disagrees with them, they're only joking.
	If the public agrees with them, they're serious.
	Well, that's the point, isn't it?
	They are serious, and it is a cover.
	Diogenes says, Stelios, the political powers are less concerned with using the racial pride people as a motive force to conquer as much as they're happy to use them as a political shield to get away with sweeping actions.
	Yep.
	Hmm, I don't think I don't know if I necessarily agree with that.
	I mean, I think they I think they will consciously use them as a revolutionary vanguard, as well as just an emotional shield.
	Because if you're creating a constituency with absolutely no stake in the present society, because they have no kids, they've mutilated themselves.
	Well, no stake in the future society.
	Their only stake is in the present society.
	Well, sort of.
	I mean, if you have a stake in the future society where the government creates legal permissions for you to fundamentally redefine yourself and you can get to a state of technology where that facilitates your redefinition, then the present society is actually what's holding you back from the form of transcendence.
	Sure.
	He makes a point.
	By claiming the critics are anti-gay is an effective shroud of confusion for the normie voter, there's too much to unwrap in order to figure out what's happening.
	And that means that's definitely something to do.
	But like I said earlier, I think there is an intertwining here.
	That there are sincere people who achieve positions of power and then there are cynical people who are just using this as a cover.
	Jokes and satire are allowed only if they further the gay, utopia comrades.
	Which is literally where this is.
	Yeah, it's not a mischaracterization.
	Yeah, that's exactly what that is.
	It reminds me of the song Go West by Pet Shop Boys.
	Oh, yeah.
	It sort of went west.
	Yeah.
	Omar says, I think pride is such an apt name for the movement.
	Like vegans of sexual misconduct, they have a visceral need to make you aware of their activity, if not outright accept and eventually participate, especially unwillingly.
	Taking pride in their degeneracy is part of the fetish.
	Yeah, I thought CrossFit was gay already, but it's like even more gay CrossFit.
	They have to let you know they're doing it.
	Yeah, but it is conscripting people into your fetish, is what the twerking in public is.
	Yeah, civilizational voyeurism.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Tom says, Slanesh says, whoa, slow down there.
	And George, in fact, says kudos to Laurence Fox for burning the flag of Slanesh.
	Unfortunately, if he was a regular guy, he would have likely had to count Dankula treatment.
	Still, seeing someone with a backbone in politics is refreshing.
	Yes, it's interesting though, because we haven't, since Dank was prosecuted, we haven't got as many public examples.
	But I think they're starting to realise how bad it looks for them to go that far.
	It's not that they're not willing to do it, it's that they aren't doing it as often, because they can't get away with it as much.
	Yeah, but, like, there's one thing at looking bad, but where to go?
	Like, what difference does it make to them, you know?
	Like, who's going to be removed from a position of power because Dank was prosecuted?
	No one, you know?
	And so, at the end of the day, they are aware, if nothing else, that they're kind of invulnerable.
	But let me say one thing here, because I think this ties with a previous comment.
	The left has a sort of tradition of getting people down onto the streets.
	If Again, here is the explanatory political realist speaking.
	If you have a group of people who don't react when they get disrespected, they habituate the other side to disrespect them even more.
	So, unless there is a sort of message that there will be a backlash, The disrespect will continue.
	So it seems to me that this is one of the issues where people have been habituated into not reacting and that is why these people are not losing their jobs.
	There is no political scandal because people are habituated into not reacting and into not protesting about this.
	And unfortunately we don't have like an American right wing where if Bud Light does something, right, that's it.
	And I think, let me say this, because I think that this is... There are some people within the halls of power that are within our camp that are slowly growing.
	So we've got to give them some time.
	Yeah, but that's not good enough.
	It's the public.
	The public is the problem here.
	Because I mean, like in America, like the backlash against Bud Light, I thought it was going to go nowhere.
	I thought, okay, yeah, you know, 2% of you have stopped buying Bud Light, but then it's like, okay, they have a 10% sales drop.
	And then it gets, you know, the sort of mythos of it begins.
	And it's like, Oh God, actually, you know, but that's because you've got a very politically engaged, very large politically engaged block.
	And with a consciousness of itself, we're the MAGA group, you know, we don't have that in the United Kingdom.
	We haven't been galvanized yet.
	Let me just say this because it's interesting for, you know, a conversation sake.
	I think that this is one of the problems with One kind of conservatism.
	If we see conservatism just as an attitude of resistance to fast change, then the question is, okay, what's the direction of change that you tolerate if it is a slow change?
	So it seems to me that people get habituated constantly into not protesting.
	Yeah, because they expect slow change in the direction that they voted for, but they're not getting it.
	Yeah, I think that's, to loop that back around to the earlier conversation, I think that's part of the progress paradigm.
	Yeah, I think so.
	It's part of the dialectic.
	And it's not our guys choosing the direction in which we travel.
	So the belief in the slow incremental improvement, it's just not happening.
	It's actually a decline and everyone can see it.
	Ethel Stan says, love seeing people talk about open borders from within an exclusive commune protected by security and fencing requiring people to spend £600 plus to get in.
	I know, it's so privileged.
	Why are the inner-city youth not going to Glastonbury?
	says Lenny Embry.
	Maybe the price is the issue.
	Maybe if you built bridges, not walls, then you would get them going.
	They would say that it can be solved by more taxes.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Don't give them ideas.
	Well, that's a good point.
	That's a good point.
	Andrew says, once again, leftist perversion of language.
	If these refugees were actual refugees and this call to welcome them would not be anywhere near so sinister.
	But I suppose that's the point.
	We all know these adventurers are not refugees and they show no love for those welcoming them.
	No, they're totally entitled.
	The DBVB, which I'm going to say, says, if only our borders were as protected as Glastonbury.
	These hypocrites pretend to care about the poor, but keep them out of the festival.
	They say they care about the environment, but have you seen what the frills look like once the festival is over?
	Litter everywhere, disgusting people.
	Well, this is the thing, like, they can say whatever they like about open borders, but their real preference is, look, if you want a particular space that is a particular way, that has a particular set of values, that has a particular set of standards, you need a border.
	You need that border policed like it's the Glastonbury Festival.
	But also, why would a discerning person want to go there if the values you're demonstrating lead to disorder, excess, vice, unhygienic conditions?
	Well hey, maybe they're for that, but what if there was no border and a bunch of North FC right-wingers turned up?
	And they turned the phone, they were on the stage, you know, instead of like welcome refugees, they were like deport every immigrant, you know, like that.
	But oh my God, I'm not going to this festival.
	You've let in the wrong person.
	Exactly.
	They've let in the wrong people.
	Maybe if you had some kind of gatekeeping mechanism, it would be somewhere you'd want to be.
	And that principle exactly applies to our countries.
	Drowning our Stormzy with football chants.
	Inglut, inglut.
	The letter M is from Masquerade says, sorry, but the raging winter winds outside.
	Tell me that it's almost 10% of the world, the Southern Hemisphere, that doesn't identify with currently in summer.
	This is very bigoted.
	That's a great point.
	I mean, you know, winter is to us what summer is to Australia.
	So Graham says, they are trying to liberate themselves from the concept of judgment.
	Not them, Carl, but there are forces trying to liberate the masses from any fear of judgment.
	There was a good point made, nearly made in film Dogma, that is the mark of a bad person is a lack of fear.
	That is the fear of God, as in judgment.
	Let me say one thing here, is that I think that they want judgment only when it's positive.
	They don't want negative judgment.
	Affirmation.
	Exactly.
	And this has to do with victimhood mentality.
	Whenever they do something bad, it's the system's fault.
	Whenever they do something good, well, it's again, it's intrinsic to be credited because they say, well, you have been empowered into doing something good.
	But they do think these things are intrinsic as well.
	So they think, you know, we're celebrating ourselves.
	Yeah.
	You know, you're not very interesting.
	Joan of Arc says, I now have a mental image of Hippie Connor in my mind.
	I'm sending Carl my therapy bill.
	Well, look, all I'm saying is if people want to make fan art of Hippie Connor.
	Don't encourage them to use Mid Journey for that.
	Come on.
	I did used to have really long hair when I was about 11.
	Connor at Glastonbury.
	Mid Journey can make this happen.
	Anyway, we'll run out of time so we'll leave it there.
	So, thank you for joining us.
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	Yes, right.
	And so, thanks very much for joining us folks.

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