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Dec. 23, 2022 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #553 | Boxing Day Special
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Hi folks, welcome to this special Boxing Day edition of the podcast of the Lotus Eaters.
I'm joined by Stelios.
Hello.
And we're going to be pre-recording this because we're not going to be in on Boxing Day.
So this won't be the usual podcast where we're talking about some sort of current events because, well...
We don't know what events are going to be current on Boxing Day, although it will doubtless be the continual slide into Western mediocrity that we're familiar with every other day.
So we thought we'd just choose some things that we found that were interesting and talk about them.
So I thought that we would begin with an interesting article that I found, which is about how a mother saved her daughter from transitioning.
Because this kind of plays into a general theme that I've had for quite a while now, which is children shouldn't have mobile phones.
Yes, a remarkable woman.
And I must say that I have changed my views a bit on technology, parents and children.
I think that it's good if parents understand their limits and they act accordingly and they try to keep some TikTok and things like that out of their children.
One thing that I've noticed is that you can see the change in the personality of the child through the use of the technology.
And this is one of the things that this mother talks about.
And it's that that you should be most sensitive to.
The child's attitude towards you and towards themselves and towards the world around them starts becoming very different to what it was.
Then the technology is the problem at that point.
You should just take it away.
It is, and young people are trying to find their identity, and this is a very sensitive age.
Yes, it very.
But before we begin, if you want to support us, go and check out our book club that we did on Abigail Schreier's Irreversible Damage, which Harry read and was very impressed with, and did a very good analysis of.
And the reason I bring this up is because it's very pertinent to what we're going to be talking about, and is in fact brought up in this article.
So this, like I said, this is an old article, because we couldn't do any current events, by a lady who calls herself Charlie Jacobs, which is the pen name of a wife and mother from California who has two teenagers.
And she wants to now educate children, parents, sorry, about how gender ideology can overtake their child.
And so she begins, it's quite long, but honestly, I really think this is worth going through.
Because this is like a great case study of all of the examples of the snippets that we find together, right?
So before, her daughter was just a totally normal girl, right?
She says, My daughter was an ultra-feminine girl since birth.
She insisted that her room be painted pink.
She refused to wear anything but dresses until third grade.
She avoided her older brother's toys and sports, choosing tea sets and Shopkins.
A series of tiny collectible toys, apparently.
Her favourite activity was to slip into my closet and don a few of my sparkly clothes and the shiniest of heels.
She rejected sports in favour of art and sewing.
All that abruptly changed when she turned 12.
As her body matured into young womanhood, she stopped begging for bikini and avoided any clothing that accentuated her figure.
She hid her breasts under men's extra-large sweatshirts.
I remember doing similar things as my body changed so I didn't wear it first.
All totally normal.
Totally normal.
Because obviously a young woman, a young girl who's becoming a young woman doesn't understand the changes in her body that are taking effect and the sort of new role that nature is imposing upon her and how people react differently to her at school.
Boys change their opinion on her and stuff like this.
Totally, totally normal.
Right.
And so the mother's like, right, and then she started changing because of access to the internet, because she starts getting into anime.
What's your opinion on anime?
I'm not decided yet.
That's very diplomatic.
Yeah, I have to be because my brothers love anime.
They're normal.
Oh, for now.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
They'll remain normal.
So, she gets into anime.
She says, I didn't know that...
Honestly.
I didn't know that anime and cosplaying can overwhelm my own mind.
I didn't know that anime and cosplaying involved gender-bending themes and the community crosses into pedophilic and sexual themes.
I didn't bloody know that.
I didn't know that either.
I don't watch or follow any kind of anime.
I mean, it's a wide genre, to be fair.
Yeah, yeah.
And I suppose the particular community that her daughter found herself in has these themes.
And she says, I also didn't know about the older cosplay community that groomed the younger cohorts.
Like I said, I don't know anything about this, so I'll just take a word for it, right?
But it's in this period of time that she begins to get brainwashed.
And it's not actually because of the internet directly.
It begins when she says, During that time period, my daughter went through something called Teen Talk, which is a Manitoba, Canada-based program that provides, quote, Youth with accurate, non-judgmental information on sexuality, reproductive health, body image, substance use awareness, mental health, issues of diversity...
And anti-violence issues at her public school.
Right.
So it is something like a woke summer camp.
It's woke brainwashing camp, yeah.
That's exactly what it is.
Well, you can definitely bet that something is going to go bad.
Which it does, actually.
That's precisely what happens.
She came home with a whole new language.
Her and her girlfriends discussed their labels.
Polyamorous lesbian pansexuals.
None of the five girls chose basic, their term for a straight girl.
Now I was worried.
I mean they use these sexual terms and okay they are relatively young but okay you know women start engaging in their sexual lives at whatever age during their teenage years but Talking about polyamory at that age?
A bit weird, isn't it?
That seems even more excessive.
Yeah.
I don't think it's appropriate.
Pansexuality?
It sounds like something that happens, that is talked about in camps like that.
Well, clearly.
Which is how she came to learn about it.
But the point is, note as well, the...
Negative connotation, right?
So you are, oh, you're just basic, are you?
Basic.
Basic is always the lowest, least in born grade.
Yes, there's this idea that very many teenagers have that, you know, the world cannot understand me and I'm so unique.
And this is precisely what parents should be, should counter against.
And this is precisely what this language is designed to try and foster as well.
Oh, I'm so unique.
In fact, I can label in which ways I am so special and unique.
Yes, and it's an issue of self-identification, not an issue of biology, which means that I can safely disregard any person who thinks otherwise.
Exactly, exactly.
Then things get worse.
She distanced herself from her old friends and spent more time online.
Not wise.
I checked her phone but was not astute enough to know that she had set up appropriate fake social media accounts for my viewing.
So the daughter begins deceiving her mother.
And this seems as if she was told to do so.
Because it's very complex thinking for someone who is unaware of these platforms.
And who's only like 12 or 13.
Yeah, so I'm willing to bet that someone told her to do this.
I agree.
And she heard it.
I would not be surprised.
And it doesn't have to have been the camp she went to either.
It could have been something online that she found.
Yeah.
You know, someone, you know, video or whatever.
An older girl showed romantic interest in her.
I barbed that girl from her home.
I learned later that she had molested my daughter.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Doesn't give us any more information, which is probably the best, but not good.
Then the daughter gets infatuated with an older girl, who's cool, you see, because they often think that, and comes out as trans.
When my daughter was in the 8th grade, so I believe that's about 13 or 14 years old, I took her to SacAnime, which is an anime convention in Sacramento, California.
There she met a girl three years her senior, but light years more mature.
That girl mesmerized my daughter with her edginess or magnanimous personality.
The older girl went by they.
That's her pronoun.
She doesn't seem necessarily more mature.
No, no, but, uh, but...
Yeah.
There probably is an added aspect of maturity because this older girl being, what, 17 perhaps, has probably spent a lot of time on the internet and so has been exposed to much more sordid content than the 13-year-old.
Yes.
And so while we, at our age, might have thought, well, 17 isn't mature...
17 now might have experienced too much of the world.
Yes, I think so, yeah.
So anyway, she says, Now, a younger child being infatuated with an older child that they look up to and admire is not in any way new or surprising.
The problem is in the way that the older child is presenting themselves for the younger child to admire.
And with the new dimension that this sort of approach takes, that this is a way that kids approach other kids and there is a whole narrative that supports them.
And it's like, we are the cool people, others don't get you, we are, you know...
No, no, that's exactly right.
We are cutting edge.
Whatever that may mean.
Yeah.
So the daughter started making gross TikTok videos.
Her language became vulgar, and she redecorated her room to look like a cave.
She self-pierced her nose with one of those bull rings.
She broke every family rule.
She was morphing into an emo, goth, vampire-like creature.
She was unrecognizable.
Her personality descended into anger and rudeness.
The summer before ninth grade, she announced that she was transgender.
Post-announcement, she began to threaten suicide.
She had sunk into a deep depression.
Yes.
I mean, it's sad to see how this transitions, how this plays out.
Yeah.
And it seems like this kid was radicalized.
Yeah.
Exactly.
This is the exact radicalization that, for some reason, woke ideologues do not see.
Yeah, you can see the exact procession of it as well.
She is indoctrinated into the basics, initiated into this cult via the thing at the school, but then, given free access to the internet, well, she goes and finds more of it and watches YouTube videos and TikTok and all this, and starts descending to the spiral of, oh, I actually...
I'm an oppressed person who lives in an evil world and I'm not actually a girl or a woman.
I'm actually transgender and now I'm going to kill myself because all sense and order has been destroyed in her life.
Do you think it is an issue of sense and order or is it the fact that many teenagers think that the attempt to put order in their lives is an act of oppression?
And they have found another way right now.
Yeah, that's a good question.
To phrase how it is that they experience their predicament.
And it's material that is very easily accessible.
And also, it's a way of...
Approaching boundaries that's very different to traditionally how boundaries were enforced, right?
Yes.
Because, I mean, when I was young, this didn't exist, thank God.
Because, you know, like all teenagers, I probably would have been, you know, interested in it in some way.
And so this was just not one of those boundaries that you ever thought about because you didn't really feel it or see it, right?
Yes.
But when it's put into your mind and you're encouraged to transgress against it, it's something your parents are unprepared to deal with.
Yes, and this is where the government that goes woke doesn't seem to help parents.
No.
Because the whole idea is let us try to put some order in the lives of ourselves and our children and our families.
That would be good.
Teenagers feel that this act of trying to put order in their lives is an act of oppression, and they have a whole ideology and possibly a president that tries to...
Certainly a president at this point.
Yes, that tries to justify them.
Yes, exactly.
And this undermines the authority of the parents, and that's really who we should have most in charge of children.
I don't know why I have to say that, but here we are.
Exactly.
And I think that terms have lost their meaning because for me the whole thing is based on misunderstanding language.
Yeah.
Because it is not...
I think so.
I think, okay, it is important to qualify this because I saw this also in a comment that I think it is a misunderstanding of language on behalf of those who have gender dysphoria.
Yeah.
And it is deliberate.
It is a deliberate misrepresentation of how language works in this context by people who are behind gender ideology and have vested interests for that ideology to continue and be prosperous.
Yes, I think that's true.
So the mother then wonders, well, where's all this coming from?
And of course, it's the glowing device in her hand.
So what's on her phone?
Well, she says, I managed to get all of her passwords to all her social media accounts.
What I saw was jaw-dropping.
Almost everyone that she was conversing with was a stranger, except for the SAC anime, the convention friend, who had sent her a self-made masturbation video.
Remember, she's 13 at this point.
The discussions on the Discord platform online involved fetishistic sexual conversations.
Kids were sending each other erotica involving incest and paedophilia.
Older girls were instructing younger girls how to sell nude photos of themselves to men for money.
I think this is deranged on multiple levels and especially I want to say something and this shows one of the dangers of current technology that when teenagers grow up, at some point it is time to have some conversations about what it is to grow up.
Here we see someone sending a video and trying to have the conversations that a mother should have with her daughter.
And I think that this is, again, a way in which families are very much threatened by these practices.
Well, I mean, this father has literally outsourced her education on this to a bunch of hyper-sexualized strangers on the internet.
Yes.
It is unintentional on her part.
Sure, she didn't know any better, but...
Most probably it is intentional on the other side.
And so the thing that the mother takes away from this basically is that, well, they're acting like adults, which they're not, but not just any adults.
They're acting like vice-ridden prostitutes, teaching young girls how to sell nudes for money.
Because it's somehow supposed to be cool.
But also, I mean, you make money out of it.
It's a direct incentive.
It's like, okay, right, that's not good.
This is prostitution in the making.
Yes.
It's to turn these women into the worst form of themselves, basically, these young women.
But the thing is, they basically think that they're mentally ill and they think that they're boys.
She says, the girls bragged about their different mental illnesses.
They talked about which drugs do what.
They talked about how they are really boys, not girls.
They discussed top surgery, that is having their breasts removed, and packers that create a bulge in one's pants to imply the presence of a penis.
So, their role model for masculinity is essentially the jackasses from Pleasure Island in Pinocchio, Can we get that picture up, John?
Do you remember this in Pinocchio, where they're smoking, they're drinking, they're gambling, they're just playing games all day, and that's their model for masculinity.
I mean, there's one thing to say, oh, we're boys.
Okay, well, why don't you take some responsibility?
Why don't you go to the gym?
Why don't you lift some weights?
Why don't you do things that a positive masculinity might do?
No, instead, you've become vice-ridden...
Prostitutes, and you've taken the very worst aspects of what a man can do.
Yeah, just indulging in debauchery.
Exactly, yeah, exactly.
And being like, yeah, that's what we want?
And it's like, yeah, you're not a real boy, okay?
Neither are these.
That's the point of this.
They turned into jackasses and they shipped off to Mines Salt or something.
You know, the point of this is this does not make you a man.
But anyway, let's go back to the article.
So the daughter has clearly gone down some kind of hideous wormhole.
She says, My daughter's electronic devices were filled with TikTok videos and YouTubers talking about how great they feel now they have transitioned.
These were messages in which strangers told her to kick my head in because I was a transphobe for refusing to call her a male name.
So this is the online brainwashing filter bubble of left-wing propaganda on the internet.
It's just like saying anyone who criticizes us and doesn't push forward our agenda or our plans for you is a transphobe and therefore a bigot and a person that should be silenced.
Worthy of having violence done to them.
And so the mum does not take this lying down, and this is where I start getting good.
This is where I start really approving.
Remarkable woman.
Yeah.
The mum says, I love this so much.
I went nuclear.
I took the phone and stripped it of all social media.
YouTube, Instagram, Discord, Reddit, Pinterest, Twitter.
I even blocked her ability to get the internet.
It's like...
I deleted all of her contacts and changed her phone number.
I sat next to her while she attended school online via Zoom.
I deleted YouTube from the smart TVs and locked up the emotes.
I took every anime book from her room.
I threw away all of her costumes.
I banned any friend who was even in the slightest bit unsavoury.
I involved the police about the porn.
I printed out the law and informed her that if anyone sent her porn I would not hesitate to prosecute.
This is just so good.
She hated me like the addict hates the person for preventing a drug fix.
I held my ground despite the constant verbal abuse.
Chad.
Absolute Chad of a mum.
That is the best thing to do.
And I've been through something similar myself, so I'm telling you that is a difficult thing to do, but bravo.
And then the mum goes even further.
Oh, no, no, no.
This isn't over.
This isn't over.
We are deprogramming the daughter here.
She is not a boy.
She is not one of the lost boys on Pinocchio's Pleasure Eye.
No, no, no, no, no.
She was her adorable little girl, and that's what she's going to return to, right?
She goes, now that's the point I think is the real crux of this.
The ideology is designed to break the bond, the loving bond between a parent and their child.
The ideology is designed to accept this, and the activists themselves attack that, saying the mother is evil, she's a transphobe, she's worthy of having violence done to her.
You should hate your own mother.
That's where this goes.
Exactly.
It is an issue of disintegrating bonds.
And it's not just mothers.
It's also fathers.
In this case, it's just mothers.
It is also family.
And this is a very pernicious ideology because basically it teaches children.
Yeah.
To be ragged individualists.
Yes.
To care only about themselves.
To become dependent on strangers.
And to be a bit more precise, I think that the idea is here, it teaches children to be obsessed with their image.
That is why the first contact with people like that is through an image.
It's through TikTok, it's through...
Okay, maybe this is not in the case of that woke camp.
But that was only the genesis of this.
That wasn't where this ended up going.
Yes, but it teaches children to be obsessed with their self-image on social media.
Yeah, it's cultivating narcissism.
It is, and it's an issue of trying to measure the person...
Whether we're talking about a man or a woman, a boy or a girl, it is to measure the person in terms of the views that they get.
So the craziest video that they are going to shoot.
Hence the reason that she made gross TikTok videos.
Yeah, this could be one of the reasons.
Yes.
But it's interesting how this gels so well with social media itself because, of course, you want likes and you want reinforcement because you've become indoctrinated into a narcissistic ideology.
Well, social media is the perfect tool for the propagation of this narcissistic ideology in which actually your real material body doesn't matter at all.
And in fact, merely the social construct you put of yourself in front of the camera or on Twitter or wherever...
That's what matters and that's what people engage with.
So your real person is actually divorced from the situation entirely.
I think you're correct.
And I think precisely when we unpack the issue of narcissism, there is an obsession with self-image that is coupled with a disregard for the views of others.
An actual disregard.
And I think that this breeds this mentality that it doesn't matter what other people say about me.
It is just an issue of self-identification.
I self-identify...
Well, they're bad people if they fail to agree with me.
Yes.
Not only, they're simultaneously bad and wrong, because this is a subjectivist ideology at the end of the day.
Someone qualifies as a woman because she says, no, or because we say that she's a woman, instead of it being the opposite, as it should be, that we say someone is a woman because she is a woman.
Yeah.
There's a reverse relationship there between facts and language.
It's the total opposite.
We're not describing reality, we're prescribing reality.
Exactly.
It's the total opposite of how things should work.
But she says, after a year and a half of utter hell, and I don't doubt that this was genuinely hellish, My daughter is finally returning to her authentic self, a beautiful, artsy, kind and loving daughter.
I am not sure what the actual ingredients for the magic potion were for alleviating gender dysphoria in my daughter.
The formula will vary, but for what I did was, after a very brief misstep of using a male name, our family and all the adults in my child's life only used her birth name and corresponding pronouns.
Don't indulge this nonsense.
But I think if we bear the whole idea in mind, we can forgive her that.
She's in California as well.
The social pressure can't be easy.
But this was not easy at all.
She says, As I mentioned previously, we pulled the plug on all social media and her access to anyone other than the persons we vetted.
I forced my daughter to listen to specific podcasts on the subject while driving to school.
Hopefully this one.
I printed out stories about female detransitioners and left them around the house.
I left all of my research out in plain view, including Irreversible Damage, the transgender craze seducing our daughters by Abigail Shry, also Gender Dysphoria, Therapeutic Model for Working in Children, Adolescents and Young Adults by Susan Evans and other books.
I followed the advice of Parents for Ethical Cares podcasts and the book Desist, Detrans and Detox, Getting Your Child After the Transgender Cult by Maria Keffler.
I worked hard to take back the close relationship my daughter and I once had.
I bit my tongue until it bled.
I took her anger and only responded with love.
Or walked away when I knew I would respond poorly.
I caught her in vulnerable moments and hugged her or climbed into a bed.
I stopped looking at her as though she was the victim of a scheme or a monster.
As in, you have to look at her specifically, no matter what, like being possessed with a demon, your daughter is still in there.
And that's what she had to work to bring back out.
Yes, exactly.
And to approach her with love and affection and discipline.
I'm sure that people have many stories like that and woke ideologues are blaming them for allegedly brainwashing children.
Wow.
Do you want to know what the woke ideologue response to that actually is?
This is how I found about this.
There's a Twitter account called Right Wing Cope that posted this article and was like, this is child abuse.
Yeah.
Yes, exactly.
They would see this as brainwashing, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, imagine, I mean, giving her access to adult material, obscene adult material, I would say is child abuse, actually.
But then I'm not a woke ideologue.
And they follow this up with that epic moment when you force your child to endure worse social conditions than the prisoner.
Ah, yes.
Not being allowed on social media, you're basically in jail.
This is clearly the position of someone who's excessively online.
And she literally, I know they follow this up, and again, this is the complete opposite of what reality is, right?
If you're against paedophilia, you should want kids to feel comfortable to reach out if they're in a bad position.
This parenting style opens up children to abuse, and this mum should be ashamed of herself.
But she wasn't reaching out.
She was cloistering herself away and getting access to obscene material and, you know, stewing in it, you lunatic.
This is the opposite of what you...
This advice is evil advice designed to keep the child in the position of personal hell that they were clearly in, which is why they were so goddamn upset all the time.
And it is based on the idea that your virtual presence, your presence on the social media, is much more important than your physical presence.
Yes, which is obviously not true.
Obviously.
Leave that one there.
Okay, before we move to the next topic, check out the article by Thomas Dowling, Inseldom is only going to get worse, available for members on our website.
This is a good article as well.
It is, yes.
I have to say that I'm a diehard optimist and I really don't think that...
I have this view that at the end things are going to work for the better.
Oh, I hope so.
It is hard to maintain this kind of optimism, but I feel it somehow.
Let's stick with that intuition because, like you said, it's hard to rationally justify sometimes.
Yes, and I think we must feel this way sometimes because otherwise we will be so depressed and we won't have the courage to deal with problems.
I don't think a fatalistic attitude helps.
I agree.
I try not to be fatalistic.
That's all I can say on that.
Exactly.
So let us talk about messendry, misogyny and beyond.
Nowadays young people get horrible advice about how they should date each other and how they should have relationships.
We have concerns at the moment about rise in misogyny and not only.
So let me read out loud from the first link.
It says here, Andrew Tate, the professional fighter-turned-media personality who earned the iron admiration of millions with his viral runs about male dominance, female submission and wealth, is everywhere these days.
Well, he is if you report on him constantly.
Yes.
His ideas have already taken root in the minds of countless young men who see him as a role model of masculinity.
It's always nice that CNN are bringing us the good news, actually, isn't it?
Before it was taken down, his TikTok account racked up about 11.6 billion views.
Social media spaces dedicated to teaching have featured accounts of students as young as middle schoolers parroting his diatribes and harassing female classmates.
Rushes of sexual harassment in schools in the UK and Australia have also been blamed on Tate's influence.
Well, you can blame Andrew Tate for those things, but I don't think that he's the only reason for them.
Obviously, reasons behind teenage violence are really complex.
I mean, what they're essentially committed to is that children didn't, teenagers didn't harass each other before Andrew Tate, which they did.
He's not the only one either.
So-called male supremacist views have surged on TikTok and podcasting platforms with personalities ranting about the rights of high value or hyper masculine men.
Those that they define as wealthy, confident, influential, sexually dominant and entitled to subservience from women.
So what I want to talk about is not so much where CNN tries to take this.
Sorry, before we go on, this is just such a comical framing of maybe men are entitled to a bit of respect in society as well.
Because that's really what this all boils down to.
It's like, look, you know, this is a shared society.
We have half men, half women.
And at the moment, all concern is on women.
And it's really hurting men.
Actually, maybe men could do with some kind of consideration.
I think you're anticipating my segment.
I haven't looked at what you've got, so I have no idea.
Okay, so the point I'm trying to make is not about Andrew Tate.
I'm not so much in the business of criticizing persons.
I don't know the man.
I'm just interested in particular trends.
And I think that at the moment there are some extreme trends, not politically extremist, I'm saying some extreme trends that have the form of ideologies.
And I think that it is important to stress them out and show the ideologies that capture the attention of men and also the ideologies that capture the attention of women on this topic.
So I want to say that regardless of Tate, There is sometimes such a mentality that many people have and it especially arises I think out of sexual frustration and frustration with romantic partners.
I think there is a tendency for men to think that all women are evil.
Yes.
And this mentality proceeds to say that just because all women are evil, they need to be treated in a particular way.
They need to know their place and they need to be manipulated into being lured by status.
The pick-up artist view of the world, which is kind of a mirror image of the radical feminist view of the world, which is all men are evil and you have to manipulate them as well.
Yes, and again, you are anticipating a bit my point here.
Sorry, I apologize.
So, yes, I think that it is important to understand this because this is a form of ideology because it involves a generalization that is, I would say, wrong.
And also it's counterproductive.
So if people want to go out on dates, it's counterproductive to think this way.
Maybe it will work, but the problem is that if it works, it will work with the wrong woman.
And what do you think you're going to get out of it at the end?
It's like, yeah, I had to use game and manipulate women to get dates.
It's like, aren't you looking to fall in love with someone?
You're treating her like she's a project rather than a person that you love.
Exactly, and I think that this is where ideology needs to be jettisoned.
We need to forget ideology and we need to look at the person.
Be a human being.
Exactly, yes.
So let us say that this is a form of ideology that is counterproductive for men.
And many people disagree with this, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they find better ideologies.
Let us look at the next video of a Professor Robert Jensen who talks about his journey to radical feminism.
Yes, local man decides, actually, I hate men.
Although I started later than most men, I eventually dated, had sex with women, told incredibly stupid sexist jokes with male friends, I used pornography, and I wallowed in my unhappiness.
What changed for me was encountering a very unexpected encounter with radical feminism and a chance to change.
Now, What is radical feminism?
It's a critique of institutionalized male dominance.
So, I think that one of the things that Jensen is talking about, which is particularly problematic here, is that he's representing a false dilemma.
He tries to tell men that the only thing that they have to pick from is either being sexist or being Radical feminists.
Well, I mean, he should probably be careful with dilemmas like that because a lot of them will choose sexist.
This is accurate and I think it's in a way unfortunate, not in the sense that radical feminism is better.
I think both are equally bad, but it is still a dilemma between ideologies.
Yes.
Yes, and I would say that...
Sorry, I'm just making a meme.
I apologize.
Don't worry.
And I think that it is important to bear in mind that young people nowadays, they have access to social media on the one hand, but they also go to universities and they are confronted with completely ideological positions.
And opposing ideological positions.
Opposing ideological positions because on the one hand they have either a generalization that says all women are evil and they should be manipulated into a particular position and they should be lured with everything that is associated with being a high status individual and on the other hand we have Another ideology that says all men are evil.
They should be suppressed.
And they should be suppressed, and you should manipulate them in such a way, presumably by spreading guilt.
Yeah, literally, that's exactly right.
To make men guilty for what they have putatively done to women, but obviously haven't.
And, I mean, based on this entirely false reading of history, that Makes the teenage boy at school, like suddenly the progenitor and recipient of awful oppression that happened hundreds of years ago.
It's like, don't be ridiculous.
This is an evil thing to do.
This is precisely ideological thinking.
It's like saying men and women are this abstraction that features in our theory and we stop looking at the people in our lives.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not to take the person as they are and then, you know, pick out features about the person and then get a sort of view of that person in your mind and then try and tailor your interaction towards them.
It's about coming along with a preconceived box and then just applying that over the individual, being right now you're an oppressive person and therefore...
And I think that this is precisely the case in dating for many people because… For online dating, I think that's exactly it.
Yes, because they… People have got their requirements in their bios.
Exactly.
And they come into the date and they feel as if they have to be representatives of a particular group.
It's like a meeting of diplomatic consuls.
No, no.
That's exactly… Because obviously I don't use internet dating, but that's what I've heard from people who do.
And you see this all the time.
I see people arguing about this all the time on the internet as well.
Because it's so easy to say, I'm looking for X, Y, Z, and I want it all in this package.
And you have to earn six figures, you have to be six feet tall, blah, blah, blah.
At least.
Yeah, at least.
Yeah, yeah.
And so, yeah, exactly.
They've got this box.
And so you are right.
It's basically a negotiation.
It's like, how much do you fit into this box?
Yeah.
I think it goes further because we have people showing up on dates and trying to establish the ideological beliefs of the other person.
And they try to virtue signal.
So we have male radical feminists going out on dates, trying to show to their date how radical feminist they are.
And there are loads of feminist...
I mean, just a couple of years ago, there were loads of feminist blogs that were like, we need to talk about the problematic use of feminist language by men who aren't really feminist.
It's like, yeah, well, you know, you gave them a perfect in by literally explaining the ideology to them.
And then they were like, oh, yeah, well, if that means I get laid, then I'll say whatever you need me to say, you know?
Yeah.
So let us proceed with the next part of the same video.
I realized that even the men I thought were the standard were also struggling with that.
What I learned is that every man I ever met at some point thought he wasn't man enough.
And that's not surprising because masculinity in patriarchy, that is, again, masculinity in a system of institutionalized male dominance, is relentlessly competitive Focused on conquest, which leads to inevitable confrontations, all with the quest of staying in control of oneself and controlling others.
But here's the thing.
No matter how competitive one can be, no matter how many conquests, no matter how many successful confrontations, no matter how much we stay in control of ourselves, We never really feel man enough.
He's listing all of the good parts of masculinity there.
So I want to say here that he has an assumption that he makes that we live in a patriarchy, and if we live in a patriarchy, then everyone is either sexist or every man is sexist.
And the only way forward is to be a radical feminist.
But look at his, again, radical assumptions.
Every man is sat there constantly going, oh, I'm not man enough because I haven't conquered enough today.
It's like, really?
Really?
Maybe a lot of men are just getting up and just going to work.
That's the conquest that they needed to achieve for the day, and they've done it.
So they don't sit there and go, oh, I'm not man enough.
They get home from work and they go, yeah, I did my part.
Now I'm going to have my dinner.
I'm going to sit down with the kids, watch a bit of TV, and go to bed with my wife.
That is a very low-level resolution analysis that they are putting forward.
It's not just low-level, but it's also really divorced from reality.
It is because it presents men and women as having one value.
It's like he's taking the platonic form of masculinity abstracted away from Hercules or something.
Or Achilles or something like that, being like, right, that's masculinity.
It's like, okay, but it's also comforting your wife when she's sad or helping your son learn to ride his bike.
There are much more normal, sensible, level-headed and attainable levels of masculinity that actually most men do achieve and are satisfied with.
It's a ridiculous standard that he's saying here.
It is a ridiculous standard, and I would like to bring it back a bit to what I said before about value, is that this view presupposes that the only value that men have is conquest.
Conquest across the board.
I agree.
But as you really well noted, this isn't just the only value that we have.
There are all sorts of values that we have, and there are all sorts of trade-offs.
I like the way you put that.
It's not the only value that we have.
Well, it has to be.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I think he is hitting on something, and I've been thinking about this a lot.
I do think that he is right that the essence of what it is to be a woman is to bear children, and the essence of what it is to be a man is conquest.
I think he is right on that.
It comes from, obviously, the prehistoric circumstance in which men and women found themselves, but it's very, very simplistic reading.
It is, and I think that it's just ideological blindness.
I've taken this one kernel of truth and blown it up to be the entire thing, ignoring all of the other things.
There are lots and lots and lots of perfectly satisfied men whose conquest for the day is to go to work and earn the money.
That's it.
That's all you needed to do.
You don't have to feel insecure about your masculinity if you went to work and did a good day's work.
You can feel perfectly secure, actually, lads, so don't worry about it.
And another point I would like to raise is that radical feminism, with its focus on liberating women from the tyranny of reproduction, actually breeds ill will.
Not ill will, actually it contributes to destroying goodwill and trust between men and women.
I think that's the way to put it.
Because it's as if men shouldn't be trusted to provide for a woman when she's pregnant.
And I think that this kind of ideology spreads mistrust between men and women.
And not only that, not only does it put the woman in a particularly insecure position, the man I thought I could trust more than anyone else, It's actually not trustworthy.
Well, it also undermines the man's self-confidence and self-worth.
It's like, look, if there's one thing that, and we see this reflected perfectly in the data as well, when women get pregnant, men earn more money because they work more hours, they work harder, they go for those promotions, they do what they can to bring in more resources.
And so that's the man validating himself.
No, this is actually me being the conqueror.
This is me winning.
This is me getting the things that need to be done.
And if you undermine that, because the woman's like, okay, I don't trust you to do that now.
It's like, well, what use do I have?
Nature has created me solely for this purpose, and you're saying I'm not worthy of it.
Why not?
Well, it leads to the destruction of the family, because to have a community, we need to trust each other.
Obviously, sometimes things are gonna go wrong, but as a general policy in life, we have to trust each other.
And this is precisely what I don't like about these ideologies, that they're trying to make us Not trust each other.
Not be able to rely on each other.
Exactly.
And I think it is time to break with these ideologies and move to redefining masculinity and femininity.
I was thinking of this distinction between biological senses of the word and normative senses of the word.
And I was thinking of Yondu in Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
Have you watched it?
I have, but I can't remember anything about it.
He talks, I think, at Peter Quill about ego, played by Kurt Russell, and he says, he was your father.
He may have been your father, but he was not your daddy.
And I think this illustrates perfectly this distinction between biological senses of the term father and normative senses of the term father.
And I think we could use that for masculinity.
We could say that, biologically speaking, men are biological males, women are biological females, and then try to have another concept of masculinity that has ethical requirements built into it that is a bit more normative.
I think that's what being a man is.
And I will go hardcore Greek here.
Okay.
Or hardcore Platonist.
That's fine.
I think masculinity and femininity is about courage, the courage to do the right thing.
I mean, in the normative sense.
And just because when we talk about virtuous people, we talk about biological males or biological females, we tend to use this.
So I think in that sense, we could talk about masculinity as being courage.
I think you can go further than that as well.
It's not just because courage, it seems to kind of stop there, right?
It's like, okay, it's to have courage.
It's like, okay, but to do what?
Actually, the courage, as Jordan Peterson might say, to take on a series of obligations, right?
The woman's obligations are, of course, to bear and be most closely connected to the rearing of children.
But for men, it is to brave hardship, suffering, and danger.
Yeah.
It's taking on, it's the courage to engage and take on all of these obligations.
I think you mentioned, you used the word obligation.
I think, yes, courage is the courage to do the right thing.
There are all sorts of contexts that require us to act.
And some of them are specific to biological males.
Yeah.
Whereas others are specific to biological females.
I don't think that this is...
It's not controversial.
It's totally true.
Everyone instinctively knows that it's true.
And the only people who would object to this are the people found in academia or those people brainwashed by people in academia.
Yes.
And people who find facts controversial.
Yes.
So I would like to end on a positive note and show that actually there are people who think that ideology doesn't work.
So let us focus on the next video.
Two years ago, I made the decision to step back from the front seat of my business to spend more time with my three children.
And it's a decision I will never regret.
Having lost two friends recently, very early in their lives, it really brought home to me the fact that I will never get these years back.
That's too important.
But of course, women like me are partly responsible for the gender pay gap.
And many of us may never go knocking on that glass ceiling because it's simply not a lifestyle that we desire.
So she talks about, she is a feminist who understands the value of motherhood.
And she says that raising children is a value in her life.
But the very crux of her complaint, well, I'm contributing to the gender pay gap.
So?
Like, who cares?
You know, that's a very, like, that's such a niche feminist concern.
And it's such an abstract concern as well.
You know, it means nothing in the real world.
But if we add up all of the money that men earn and all of the money women earn...
I'm letting down the team for team women.
It's like, look, that means nothing.
That's such an irrelevant consideration.
It shouldn't even be in your mind.
You should be like, do I have enough money to live?
Yes, I do because my husband has got a job or whatever.
So I'm going to spend my time with my children because it's good for them and it's good for me and it's probably good for my husband as well.
You know, like, it's so weird that she's like, yeah, but the gender pay gap.
Oh, shut up.
But at least, shouldn't we be a bit happy that she has a much healthier view than the other person?
I'm thrilled that her natural instincts are overriding this rationalism.
I'm trying to look at where the silver lining is.
I totally agree, but like...
But the fact that this isn't, yeah, but I'm going to have to stay home.
I'm so sorry, my feminist sisters, for doing my part against the gender pay gap.
You're all just going to have to do overtime to substitute for me.
I'm so sorry.
It's not a competition.
Women don't have to work as many hours as men.
Simple as.
I think she understands this.
I hope so.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let us continue.
My fear is that the broad spectrum expanding definition of prejudice and harassment is now something that almost any woman can associate with.
And we simply can't cry misogyny every time we're called out or held back in some way.
I fear for an ideology and a rhetoric that's starting to set women against men that focuses on what we can't do and haven't got rather than what we can and have.
I mean, yes.
I think she has a point here.
And it is good to see people who detect this point, that if every time someone comes and says something positive about men, this constitutes misogyny, this is going to be very bad for women.
I think she understands this, and at least that's good.
That is...
It is completely uncontroversial.
She's watched her first Jordan Peterson video and has been like, oh, that is a good point, actually.
Yes.
At least I think we should try to be a bit optimistic and try to...
I'm being unfair and sarcastic, but yes, it is good that she's arrived at this position.
But, like, you had to be really ideological to not realise that from the word go.
Okay, I'm willing to forgive her.
Yes, of course, I'm willing to forgive her, but maybe it's just me, and I'm just like, come on, because I've been there for such a long time.
I suppose there are people in universities and in businesses who are genuinely trapped in this ideology, and to them this is a revelation.
The heavens are parting and the rays are coming down.
It's like, my God!
Actually, persecuting men has been bad for them.
I think I'm coming to appreciate your viewpoint because, yes, these public confessions of I was a bit more radical before, maybe she needs to work a bit more to gain her support.
No, no, no.
I'm being...
I'm joking.
I'm joking.
I'm being silly.
But obviously, you know, well done, love.
Come on, take a seat, be normal, you know.
But it just is frustrating that, like, she's got such a tepid sort of like, maybe I was wrong.
It's like, obviously.
You know?
Yeah.
Anyway.
It's sad, though, to see how ideology messes up with people's mind.
Yeah, it's incredible.
Because, as you say, this is obvious.
It's so obvious.
This is my journey to the obvious, and I have to make a TEDx talk to share with people how I came to view the obvious.
She's literally going back into Plato's cave, isn't she?
I mean, like, almost literally with the shadows on the walls.
And trying to explain to them this, look, actually, there's daylight outside.
And it's like...
God.
I don't know if I believe this.
You know, like...
I came back to enlighten you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
I hope she succeeds.
Well, so do I. And 47,000 upvotes.
It's gotta be good, right?
But it's just...
It's just remarkable how...
How strong the pull of ideology is on these people's minds.
And other people who are otherwise intelligent, you know, people who are otherwise, you know, very, I'm sure she's incredibly well-educated, I'm sure she does really well, very intelligent, and has fought against the conditioning to come to the point of, maybe it'd be nice to spend some time with my own kids.
It's like, yeah, maybe, maybe.
We can leave out there.
Yeah.
Right, okay.
So, okay, fair enough.
I'm looking forward to this one.
Tim Pool has been a very naughty boy.
According to Media Matters, do you know who Media Matters are?
I've read some articles, they seem to me to be irreparably woke.
Well, yeah, but that's like saying the Catholic Church seems to be irreparably Catholic, which actually it's not anymore, so maybe that was a bad metaphor.
Yeah.
But yes, Media Matters is a left-wing propaganda machine designed to create hit pieces to try and get people deplatformed, and that's what's happening to my friend Tim Poole.
And I thought I'd go through it.
But before we begin, if you want to support us, go over to the website and go check out those latest contemplations, which is fantastic.
How accurate are stereotypes?
I mean, I'm not going to spoil it, but you may know the answer already.
Anyway, Media Matters gives us Tim's Year in Review.
Doing well, Tim.
This is how you know you're succeeding, man.
When media matters are like, oh, you need to get rid of Tim Pool!
Why?
Because he's a Nazi!
Which is basically the thrust of the entire article.
Look at this title.
Extremists, Bigots and Conspiracy Theorists.
YouTuber Tim Pool's 2022 Guests in Review.
Well, hell, I mean, I'm going to go watch it.
What a great avatar.
I want to know what the extremist bigots and conspiracy theorists think.
Sounds exciting.
What am I going to do?
Tune into the mainstream TV where I get given woke propaganda talking points that I've heard a million times before.
I've read a bit, I must say, and it seems to me that the bigots are those who are concerned with children's education about LGBTQ issues.
People opposed to grooming children are called bigots a lot, that's true.
Yeah.
But I just think this is fantastic advertising.
And, like, again, Justin Horowitz, from within his extremely left-wing echo chamber, is like, ah, that's right, I'm going to mark them with a big flashlight, I'll highlight them all, look at that, oh, extremist, bigger, you know.
It's like, yeah, okay, that's one way of looking at it.
But from the other way of looking at it, you're also highlighting all of the interesting people that Tim has on his podcast that are entertaining to listen to.
I mean, you may not have realized, Justin, but I'm here to tell you.
He says, Paul's show is...
What happened to no such thing as bad publicity.
Exactly, exactly.
You don't realize that you're actually...
And this was the thing with Boris Johnson, when he was like, the Muslim women wearing burqas look like letterboxes.
And they were all like, oh, we'll post that everywhere.
And then Boris Johnson wins an astounding landslide victory.
It's like, yeah, but you didn't consider that maybe a lot of people agree with him.
Yeah, just saying.
Anyway, Mr Horowitz says, In summary, they're not woke.
Good.
Good.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I love conspiracy theories.
I think they're fascinating.
And when you say misinformation, well, I hear factual information.
Paul, who has 1.4 million YouTube subscribers and a history of working with white nationalists, It's reportedly making a fortune from his live streams.
So I clicked on the link for working with white nationalists, and you'll be surprised.
It's when he went to the White House.
Trump invited him to the White House.
Okay.
Just say, good job and the job you're doing, because Tim voted Trump.
He's not like a diehard MAGA supporter or anything.
But better than the alternative, Trump or Hillary, Trump or Biden.
Well, it was obviously Trump.
And so, yep, that's the reason that he is working with white nationalists.
It's because Tim Pool has spoken to people with whom he disagrees.
Can you believe it?
Yeah.
What a Nazi.
Well, as Biden said some time ago, that it is all connected and, you know, bad views come all to a package.
Yep.
And if all of, there is no distinction between either of them.
That's true.
And if you, it's kind of like going in a swimming pool.
Yeah.
Oh, you've got water on you.
You've got the wetness of it.
Oh, no.
Now you are a part of the swimming pool.
You've merged yourself into it.
He says, Paul has been a guest on InfoWars, and in 2017, he offered to help InfoWars Paul Joseph Watson investigate an area of Sweden that Watson called crime-ridden migrant suburbs.
That's because they were crime-ridden migrant suburbs.
Anyway, back to the article.
YouTube is profiting from Poole's podcast, raking in about $65,000 from Poole's channel between October and November 2020-2021, and the platform has gone so far as to promote its channel on its front page, as if anyone looks at YouTube's front page.
On November 28th, his livestream with HitlerFanboyYay, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West, was the most-watched livestream on the platform.
Was that where Ye left?
Yeah.
Yes, because he was in the middle of a controversy.
So Tim Pool invited him on to contradict his views and Kanye just got up and left after being contradicted.
Yeah.
So, implying that Tim somehow agrees with Kanye West's Hitler fanboyism.
Nice one, Media Matters.
This is just like saying that if you don't agree with us with respect to cancelling those you disagree with, you're part of it.
You're basically a Nazi, yeah.
Yeah, you're a Nazi, yeah.
But this is making Tim sound very interesting, right?
It's making his, wow, most watch live stream with Kanye West.
Wow, that's a great point.
Maybe I'll go check that out.
I must say, I always like listening to other people, whether I disagree with them or not, because I just like finding out how they think.
This is a way to actually establish a communication.
Yes.
And just understanding their paradigm.
Yeah.
How they look at the world.
He says, He does.
He invites left-wingers on the show all the time.
They just won't go.
We don't invite otherwings because we don't expect them to come.
But Tim actually does invite them and they don't go.
I speak to Tim about this.
And he's just like, they just won't come.
They just won't come.
And it's like, yeah, there we go.
They just won't come.
What can you do?
Do they give him a reason?
Because he is going to talk to them flatly about the fact that he's not woke and he doesn't believe what they think.
Therefore, Tim has a right-wing perspective.
Which shows you a lot about the perspective of the person who wrote this article, right?
Because, I mean, a rational person would listen to Tim Pool and his famously, and in his own words, quote, milquetoast centrist views, centre-left liberal views.
This is not me misrepresenting Tim.
These are direct quotes from Tim, right?
And they would say, ah, he's quite a moderate.
Because he is.
And then someone says, hmm, he's right-wing.
Well, then I know that you're very, very far to the left.
If you're incapable of characterizing Tim Pool as a moderate, then you are the one who has the distorted perspective.
Anyway...
No, I want to say that what I'm fascinated about Tim Pool's case is that he stands on free speech.
And it seems to me that by having a diverse, let's say, list of guests, Why is diversity a problem?
By having people of all sorts of perspectives, he helps us basically state the obvious that when we talk about left and right, not everyone on the left is the same and not everyone on the right is the same.
But this isn't a message that leftists, or at least woke leftists, want, because they do want to carve the political spectrum into the good guys with all these beliefs, and you have to have all of these beliefs to qualify as good, and the bad guys.
Who is anything outside of God.
Anything else, yeah.
And that's exactly the point that they make now, right?
As explained by reporter Robert Silverman, who has covered Tim Pool's show, so Robert Silverman, big fan then, Whenever a right-wing politician, personality, or group enters the news cycle, Paul finds a way to sand down their actual stated beliefs or claim ignorance.
Well, maybe, just maybe, he agrees with them.
Maybe he's not a left-winger.
And so, you know, if someone's straddling the center, you can see some virtue in the left, you can see some virtue in the right, and then when you get a group of people who come along and say, no, there's no virtue in the right, well, Tim Paul has to be like, you know, that part of the right that is correct, I agree with, because it's correct, you know, that you are willfully blind to and have a priori categorized as wrong.
Like, the problem is not Tim, it's you guys!
Anyway, let's talk about who else is bad, shall we?
Cassandra MacDonald, who's Tim's editor-in-chief.
I'm not Cassandra.
Nice person.
Seemed really nice, actually.
Appears to have had a hand in booking Paul's guests.
Oh, no.
She books the guests for the show.
She has previously worked for the Kremlin-funded news outlet Sputnik.
Okay.
Who funds Media Matters?
Dare I ask?
The answer is, of course, going to be George Soros.
I actually don't know if it's George Soros, but someone in the chat, go find out, and when it turns out to be Soros, then I'll just take the credit.
She has been accused of flashing a white power sign.
She's been accused of flashing a white power hand sign.
That was the white power hand sign.
Unironically, I looked this up.
Freelance journalist Mike Cenerich and Cassandra Fairbanks posed for a picture at the podium in the White House briefing room, and in the photo, they are making a hand sign that can be used to signify white power.
Ms.
Fairbanks supporters pointed out that a hand sign is also used to mean OK. Photos show people of all races using the symbol to signify that everything's alright.
It was the okay sign.
You profound lying propagandists.
Back to the article though.
They carry on.
Paul's regular co-hosts, employees and guests, appear to mirror his own thinking.
My god.
They're rather sensible, centrist-minded people as well.
What a shock.
But clearly they mustn't be claiming that all of his guests have the same views.
No, no, they're certainly not.
The co-hosts, the employees, fair enough, they can have the same views.
But guests appear to mirror his own thinking.
So they're accusing – if they mirror his own thinking, then basically they're saying that Tim Pool is a far-right white nationalist, like whatever crazy – Misogynist, anti-LGBT extremist, is what they're saying.
I think that I really don't know the person.
As you say, you know him.
Yeah, he's not.
It's actually preposterous to say it.
No, no, no.
I'm not kissing him.
No, no, I know.
I'm just saying that there are some people, especially when they interview and talk to others, Who are doing something like, I think it was called a mirror technique, and they try to establish rapport.
And they don't go instantly.
When they have someone they disagree with, like, for instance, he had with Kanye West, they don't go immediately, oh, I disagree with you, you're a piece of...
Because if you give them the first couple of points that they make, then they'll come out and tell you the real meat of what's behind their views.
And you'll get to see, okay, actually, that is kind of ludicrous.
Yes, and this is a far better way of showing people what it is that they believe, their guests believe.
And I saw him being criticized by Young Turks precisely on this account, that he tried to lure Kanye West in opening up.
And they were being critical of him.
Tim, in the exact moment of contradiction with Kanye West, they were complaining that he wouldn't contradict Kanye West.
It's like, he's literally doing it in the clip you're talking about.
And with his general stance.
Yeah.
Yeah, his general position, he's already laid out.
I don't agree with you.
Now tell me what you think.
But they say he's pushed white nationalist talking points, baselessly accused a journalist of being a pedophile.
Oh, yeah, baselessly, eh?
Defended anti-Semitic comments and pushed a litany of conspiracy theories.
Furthermore, Poole is an advocate for a second US civil war, often discussing an impending civil war on his podcast on Twitter.
I just laugh at this.
He's an advocate of a second civil war, is he?
What side is he on?
It's like fear-baiting.
It's amazing.
It's just amazing.
If his views were similar to Kanye West's, why did Kanye West leave?
Yeah, exactly.
Why'd he storm off?
Because Timple wouldn't agree with him.
But Paul's an advocate for a second Civil War.
I love it.
I love the idea.
That Tim Pool is just on the podcast going, look guys, the South is going to rise again, I'm telling you.
And he will use this samurai sword that I see before to fight.
Exactly.
It's so ridiculous.
So anyway, they give us a breakdown of the guests from Timcast IRL in 2022.
And man, I tell you what, if this isn't a ringing endorsement, I don't know what is, right?
So Kanye West appeared after making anti-submitted comments on the Twitter.
After his appearance, he was a guest on Infowars.
But the known mention of Kanye storming off Because Tim didn't agree with him.
No mention of that, right?
But instead, he went on Infowars and said something else somewhere else.
Is that okay?
But why would you care what they said somewhere else?
It didn't say it on Tim's podcast.
And the thing is, they include this clip, right?
And they say, Paul and his guests later lauded Yee's Infowars appearance and cheered on Yee for President campaign.
That's not what happens in that clip.
In that clip, they're like, okay, he's kind of a lunatic.
And good for Alex Jones to have him on so we could see him being a lunatic.
Like, exactly as you were saying.
In fact, they weren't praising Kanye West or even, really, Alex Jones.
It was just good that they got to hear it.
But anyway, they had Nick Fuentes on, a white nationalist leader and Holocaust denier.
I think that's giving Fuentes too much credit, to be honest.
Again, I don't even dislike Fuentes, really, as a person.
But I just call him a white nationalist leader.
Okay.
White supremacist collaborator and conspiracy theorist, Jack Posobiec!
Jack!
Mate, not you too!
I'm sorry, you're a white supremacist, you're a white nationalist.
Nick Fuentes is just a white nationalist.
You're a white supremacist.
This surely gives you kudos and credit above Nick Fuentes.
Surely Nick Fuentes should be your sidekick.
And then we get former Proud Boys leader, Enrique Tarrio.
He's a white nationalist, too.
Average white nationalist.
I mean, he's not white, but that's just pretty accurate.
Far-right representative, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Right, so an elective representative.
She's a conspiracy theorist and an anti-LGBTQ bigot.
With close ties to white nationalists, oh, who could have imagined?
Right-wing radio host and PragerU founder, Dennis Prager.
Anti-LGBTQ misogynist and racist.
Probably a white nationalist as well, let's be fair.
He was a climate change denier and an election fraud conspiracy theorist.
He must have had a lot of interesting things to say.
Yeah.
No, I will watch the interview now that you mentioned it, because I want to see how Prager thinks.
I mean, there's so many ists and phobes that they bring up.
I'm starting to think this is where all the cool kids are hanging out these days.
Look at all these notable people that Tim's had on his podcast.
This sounds really interesting.
Radio host Jesse Kelly has pushed conspiracy theories, made anti-LGBTQ misogynistic comments.
Kelly once told Fox News host Tucker Carlson that the military need type A men who want to sit on a throne of Chinese skulls.
And they put this in the embed.
It's like, they don't need gay friendly men, we need kind of men who want to sit on the throne of Chinese skulls.
It's like, well...
Who disagrees with that?
I mean, in the army you need to...
Okay, obviously you need people to...
That are a bit...
How should I say?
They should control their aggression, but they should have the ability to be aggressive.
Otherwise they cannot defend the country.
The very purpose of an army is to kill people.
That's what an army is.
Yeah.
Hopefully in defense, but...
Sometimes you have to do it proactively.
Anyway, far-right figure Lauren Southern.
Oh, Lauren Southern as well, I suppose.
Okay, fine.
She's got a history of pushing racist propaganda.
Of course she does.
I mean, I met Lauren.
She's a lovely girl.
Don't know what to tell you.
The Daily Wire is Michael Knowles.
Oh, even my boy Knowles.
Even he is an anti-LGBTQ bully.
He hosted a podcast with Paul in April.
All my favorites have appeared on Tim's show.
They switched Bigot with Bully.
They've used Bigot around six times now.
They put Bully.
Far-right YouTuber John Doyle.
Oh, not John.
I like John too.
He's closely associated with white nationalists.
John, how could you?
Doyle was on Timcast in November.
Right-wing pundit and Blaze TV host Dave Rubin.
Dave Rubin?
They clearly cannot say David Rubin is an extremist.
Well, they are.
He attacked diversity and inclusion hiring efforts.
Oh, no.
No, not attacking diversity and inclusion hiring efforts.
Compared climate activist Greta Thunberg to Adolf Hitler.
And, of course, made disparaging comments about the LGBT community.
So, you know, Dave Rubin, average Nazi.
They hate humor.
Yes, they do.
Yes, everything is...
You have to constantly say that...
You have to constantly recreate our ideology, and if you do not, you're a bigot, a bully, and a far-right white nationalist.
But this is just such a great list.
Zuby!
Zuby!
Zuby as well!
All of my friends are on Tim, and Media Matters is like, yeah, anti-LGBTQ bigot and rapper.
Again, another use of the word bigot.
Yeah, bigot.
Oh, okay.
Former Blaze TV host and YouTuber Elijah Schaefer sat down with Poole in April and recorded...
He's an anti-LGBTQ pundit and misogynist.
I don't even know what to say.
It's just like, yeah, he's a misogynist.
Well, maybe.
Great credentials, to be honest.
Tim Carson employee and frequent co-host Ian Crossland has claimed that Yee would be looked at as someone who saved the Jews following his pro-Nazi rants and has described Native Americans as cannibals.
Was that in the same podcast or what?
That sounds like a riot.
I mean, all of this sounds like humour to me.
I haven't watched every single podcast Tim's made, obviously.
You've got the Babylon BCO, Seth Dillon.
He's an anti-LGBTQ bigot.
He's a bigot.
Andrew Claven from the Daily Wire.
He's a racist, sexist, anti-LGBTQ commentary.
And finally on this list I'm going to mention is right-wing provocateur Andy Ngo, who's covered for far-right extremists and spread conspiracy theories.
I think this shows to a very large extent the fear that woke ideologues have of people.
Of letting people hear opposing them.
Yeah, of free speech because they show that they do not trust people.
Because, I mean, I think that, you know, if we have a fundamental sense of trust towards people, we will think that if they hear a large array of views, they will make up their mind.
But they don't trust people with making up their mind.
They think people are stupid.
It's not even that.
I think it's so patiently obvious that people will side against LGBT or radical left-wing ideology.
things are permitted to be heard, then obviously that, you know, objection, your honour, their statement, their reasonable statement completely destroys my case.
That's why they must be silenced.
You know, that's basically how I've come to it.
It's like, look, you know, it's so obvious that these people have nothing.
And that's why Media Matters are doing what they're doing here.
They want to shut them down because they want to shut them down once.
Why?
Because they are just not woke.
And non-woke people are destroying our movement.
They need to be silenced.
So, yeah, I guess we'll leave that there.
Just Tim Pool's in trouble.
They want him deplatformed.
How dare they?
We don't have any video comments or questions or comments because, of course, this wasn't broadcast live.
So instead, I hope you had a wonderful Christmas and a very relaxing Boxing Day.
And we will be back tomorrow, 1pm, same time, let's see us.com.
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