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	Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen Sorry about the delay.
	We had to wait for the trains to catch up to us.
	But welcome to the podcast, The Low Seaters, for the 1st of December 2022.
	I'm joined by Calvin Robinson.
	Good to see you.
	Good to see you too.
	Today we're going to be talking about how Britain is living in the shadow of Enoch Powell, how Leicester is a brilliant case study in diversity, and we'll just quickly top off with the royal racism scandal, the latest royal racism scandal, which is a scandal about nothing because people are being childish.
	Anyway, let's begin.
	So, Enoch Powell is a very controversial figure.
	I have to be the first to confess, I'm no scholar of Enoch.
	life or positions.
	And so I had to do quite a lot of research for this segment to find out exactly what he did think.
	And of course, he's a man who has had his memory damned by the left, even though he was in the 60s and 70s, the most popular politician in Britain.
	Yeah.
	And almost everyone agreed with him, actually.
	And so...
	So, with that preface out of the way, I thought we'd begin with who thought Enoch Powell was good?
	And the first person I found was Tony Blair, who at his funeral said he was great.
	And Margaret Thatcher, of course, said that he was magnetic.
	He was one of those rare people who made a difference and whose moral compass led us in the right direction.
	Well, most people thought he was a great politician, whether they agreed with him or not.
	And he clearly was.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, you're already a step above most people who are around today in that you've actually researched what he said and what people thought about him.
	I took the time.
	Most people see his name and think, oh, racist, xenophobic, bigots, blah, blah, blah.
	And this is the problem we have today, isn't it?
	That all of our debates are shut down with these labels that are just thrown out there.
	But he was, I think he was one of the first people to be the victim of cancel culture, actually.
	It looks that way, doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	And the Conservative Party essentially ejected him, didn't they?
	Yeah, but the Conservative Party has been full of wets for a long time.
	We know that.
	Yes, and that's precisely true.
	I mean, why would you lean into a 75% agreement if you want to win?
	Well, why would they do that now?
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	That's precisely right.
	Neil Ferguson also wrote an article in 2015 saying that he agrees with Powell minus the racism.
	I actually wasn't able to find any directly racist quotes.
	It's hilarious, isn't it?
	Everyone's always like, he's a racist!
	And I've noticed people in my comments are like, which bit of what he said was racist?
	And no one ever replies.
	Can I have the quote?
	Because otherwise it just seems...
	So as I understand it, he was a scholar of the classics, and he therefore tends to, it seems...
	To me, take a more classical view on talking about groups of people.
	Which is what our politicians used to do.
	They used to be classicists, for the most part.
	I think Boris Johnson's the last remaining, well, him and Jacob Rees-Mogg, the last remaining classicists in the Houses of Parliament, or in the House of Commons, anyway.
	But yeah, that's why his speech, the Birmingham speech, is known as the Rivers of Blood, because of a quote that he made within the speech, that people take it out of context and think it's something that it's not.
	Yeah, I've seen people accusing him of advocating for rivers of blood.
	I mean, we'll go through some of the speech in a second, in fact.
	But any amount of cursory reading shows that this is a warning.
	This is not an endorsement.
	I would say it's a prophecy that has come true.
	Which we will show by Leicester.
	Anyway, so yes, there are lots of distinguished people who agree with Enoch Powell.
	And as you said, in 1968 he gave a speech which has been known as the Rivers of Blood speech.
	He gave this speech to a meeting of the Conservative Political Centre at Birmingham, and this speech, as Wikipedia describes it, just strongly criticised mass immigration, especially Commonwealth immigration, because, of course, being a classicist, he viewed people as...
	Cultural groups.
	And cultural groups have certain characters, and if the character of one cultural group is very different to the character of another cultural group, well, you can have various kinds of conflict.
	And this, I think, is his general map of the situation.
	Now, as I said, a Gallup poll at the time showed 75% of the population was sympathetic to his views.
	And another poll by NOP showed that 75% agreed with his demand for non-white immigration to be halted completely.
	And about 60% agreed with the call for repatriation of non-whites already resident in Britain.
	Right.
	So a lot of the language he used at the time is language we wouldn't use today.
	A lot of the terminology he uses is different.
	So, for example, I wouldn't call for non-white immigration.
	I would call for non-Christian immigration to be halted.
	I think the value system is not based on our skin colour.
	I don't think that's what he was getting at.
	I think it's based on culture.
	And he used different words for describing culture.
	Yes.
	No, no, I think that's exactly right, because, I mean, people have got to remember that in 1968, the language that they used, the terms they used, were just commonplace, and ones that have been heavily stigmatized by left-wing activists in the modern day.
	And when he was pushed on it, he did come back and say, no, what I'm talking about is culture.
	You know what, for example, the interview.
	We'll get to it, we'll get to it, because that's exactly the point.
	It's not that Powell is simply someone who just hates people because of the color of their skin, and he actually makes this quite explicit, as we'll get to it.
	Anyway, the actual rivers of blood speech itself, again, I didn't find it especially objectionable, actually.
	I just think it's been caricatured too much.
	He says that basically constituents of his came to him and said, look, I wouldn't want my children growing up in this country because this country is changing in a way they disapprove of.
	I can relate.
	Absolutely.
	It's exactly what I feel as well.
	And he's worried that, again, the terminology is not terminology we would use now, but In 15 or 20 years time, the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.
	Well, even that is quite literally true at the moment.
	After BLM, after the George Floyd incident, white people are persecuted in their own country.
	Well, we will show that in the third segment about the royal racism scandal, because that's actually a fantastic example of what Powell is talking about.
	You know, if a lady, a dame can be fired because some random woman complained she was being racist towards her, even though I disagree that she was being racist.
	Did we find out where she was from in the end?
	We did.
	We'll get to that.
	We'll get to all of this because there's so much here to be unpacked.
	And so Powell in this speech says, look, I can hear the chorus of execration.
	How dare I say such a horrible thing?
	But the real thing is, if I'm a representative of these constituents, how dare I not say these things?
	And so Powell is actually doing his duty as a democratic politician to That's a public servant.
	I wish more of them would do that.
	I wish more of them would represent us rather than try to virtue signal and look like good people, nice people.
	Can you even imagine?
	I can't.
	I just genuinely can't.
	I haven't known it.
	No, it's never happened in my lifetime.
	I mean, I suppose Powell died in 1998 or something, so maybe it was within my lifetime, but not in my memory.
	The earliest I remember is the John Major government.
	I didn't feel that was representative of anything.
	And then it was Tony Blair, which of course was representative of everything that wasn't British.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so he points out that this is the general thrust of the rivers of blood speech.
	And he says, you know, like the Roman, I look ahead with trepidation to see the Tiber foaming with much blood.
	It's dramatic imagery, but it's not an endorsement of anything.
	And so we can come to the modern census data, because he was complaining that, of course, large portions of the country will become majority non...
	Everyone uses the term white, but what they mean is non-English.
	They're talking about the non-English population of England displacing the English population.
	And if we go to the census data, well, that's precisely what's happened.
	As we can see, there are 59.5 million people in England, officially.
	Of course, there are more of that because of illegal immigrants, but we can't measure those.
	And as part of the ethnic group White, who identify as English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish, Or British, that is 44.4 million people, which is relatively consistent with the number of English people that there have been since the 60s, since the census in the 60s.
	And so that gives us a total of around 15 million non-native British people.
	Yeah, it's gone down dramatically, and it's the only demographic that's gone down.
	It is.
	700,000 left.
	But that is literally what diversity means, isn't it?
	This is what I keep trying to get at.
	Diversity just means fewer white people, fewer English people, fewer British people, and fewer Christians.
	That actually does kind of seem to be what they're aiming at.
	I forgot to plug this at the beginning, but I think this is a good one now.
	Can we go back to the first link, John?
	We did a hangout on this called How Britain Has Changed, and all I did is go back through historical footage of London.
	And it's just people walking around on the streets of London.
	And you can see the difference.
	It is within living memory.
	But this isn't just foreign interference.
	This is also we've changed within ourselves.
	Our standards have slipped.
	We've become scruffier.
	We've become fatter.
	And all this is obvious.
	People used to look a lot smarter and a lot healthier, didn't they?
	It's incredible, right?
	And it was genuinely the 80s and 90s where I noticed it.
	Up until about the 70s, people always dressed in an incredibly uniform fashion.
	It's exactly the same.
	In the 20s, they'd wear waistcoats and suits.
	Even we would be casual compared to how they would dress at the time.
	Completely.
	We would be probably scorned.
	And then when you get to the 80s and 90s, people are just wearing shell suits and t-shirts.
	And it's just like, okay, why did we...
	Track suits when they're not walking out.
	Trainers when they're not doing any exercise.
	In fact, there's a correlation there between the less exercise people do and the more casual sportswear that they wear.
	That's probably true.
	I mean, I still don't have an answer for it, but why did we think that it was acceptable to abandon these standards?
	Because of the reverse snobbery.
	Anything that's setting a standard is a bad thing, and everyone should be equal, and therefore everyone has to be equally scruffy or equally poor.
	It's the arguments of Marxism, that's what it is.
	It's the lowest common denominator.
	That's probably true.
	Anyway, so let's go on to your Substack article, because you...
	Yes, please, everyone.
	White Enoch was right about immigration, presumably.
	Because he, well, I mean, if anything, you can actually argue he wasn't right.
	He understated the state of things.
	Because his largest estimate, he said that it would be 7 million people.
	Well, actually, it's double that.
	Actually, you would not believe how many people...
	Would you like to explain this article quick?
	Yeah, the premise being that we have seen a massive shift in demographics in this country, and I don't think it's healthy or good.
	I think it's to our detriment.
	I think we're losing what it means to be English.
	And people say, well, you mean British?
	I mean, no, English.
	Even using the term English has degraded and gone down, and people don't identify as English anymore, whether they are or not.
	And I think that's been a big psy-op for a number of years.
	Although I am a unionist, I do think the union is important, but I can identify as English and British.
	But I wouldn't want the Welsh to stop identifying as being Welsh.
	Exactly.
	But I put the argument forward that obviously I'm mixed race, so I'm half English, half Afro-Caribbean, and people are always like, yeah, yeah, you're Afro-Caribbean, so yeah, Jamaica, yeah, yeah, stick to your Jamaican culture, blah, blah, blah.
	But when it comes to addressing English culture, people are like, what culture?
	How dare you, sir?
	Not even how dare you.
	They just don't address the risen English culture.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I find that fascinating.
	That is interesting.
	But it's always, of course, the upper middle class white guy that is the metropolitan liberal elite that is a self-hating...
	You know the type.
	Oh, God, I know exactly the type.
	But I'm like, well, how can I be proud of my father's family's side of the heritage, but not my mother's family's heritage?
	What is that?
	And why is that?
	And why is it that we have to celebrate everything that's foreign, everything that is different or novel?
	It's exotic, isn't it?
	It's kind of patronising.
	It's an old-fashioned form of racism.
	But anything that's ours, we shouldn't celebrate it because we're bad and we're the bad guys around the world and throughout our history.
	I think it's untrue.
	It's a weird take on looking at our history.
	But the whole point of this article was to use Enoch Powell as a hook to look at the census data, look at where we are as a country.
	And people go, oh, why Enoch Powell?
	It's too controversial.
	But actually, first of all, he was right.
	But secondly, he pointed the way to where we're going to get to and where we are.
	But he was one of the people that got cancelled for being racist when he wasn't actually racist.
	And that's the pattern that's evolved to where we are today.
	So let's talk about...
	I agree with you completely, by the way.
	And I totally agree with the English term.
	I explicitly...
	I mean, in my Twitter, I put Englishman.
	I'm not having any of this anymore.
	I am from England.
	I like England.
	I'm going to be proud of that.
	But let's talk about Enoch's racism, actually.
	There was a documentary made in 1995 when Enoch was in his 90s, I believe, called Odd Man Out, in which someone asked him, well, you know, why are you a racist?
	Can you explain all of this?
	And it turns out that his view is actually more...
	Almost socially constructed.
	It's quite progressive.
	It's quite left-wing, actually.
	He's actually kind of ahead of his time.
	Let's watch this clip.
	The schoolboy at the time, later himself to become an MP, recalls the day after the Rivers of Blood speech.
	I was one of those wide-eyed, grinning, pickaninnis that he saw fit to quote in a letter.
	And that was hurtful, of course.
	For the first time in the country of my birth, And the country of which I'm proud to say I belong.
	I was shouted at and spat at and abused in the streets for the first time ever the day after that.
	So of course I remember it.
	I take it as true since he says so.
	I accept it as truth.
	But it only revealed the underlying tensions.
	But can you see that the language that you quoted in your speech was itself inflammatory and could be used by people who were racialists against black people in this country?
	What's wrong with racism?
	Racism is the basis of a nationality.
	It's the basis of his nationality.
	He says he's black but he's British and he feels British.
	What is his nationality?
	His nationality is the nationality he feels is the nation he'll fight for.
	Or play cricket for.
	But are you saying that because he's black he can't have British nationality?
	It's not impossible, it is difficult.
	But when you said that racism is the basis of his nationality, what did you mean by that?
	Nations are, upon the whole, united by identity with one another, the self-identification of our citizens and that's normally due to similarities which we regard as racial similarities.
	Very interesting response though, isn't it?
	So first of all, first of all, it starts with, I would believe him.
	Yes, yes.
	Very progressive.
	And then he goes, he is British if this is the nation he would fight for.
	I quite like that.
	I don't entirely agree with that, but I quite like that analogy in the...
	Well, I was born and bred here.
	I would fight for this nation.
	I would call myself English.
	My father was born and bred here.
	I don't think he would.
	Well, he did fight for this nation, to be fair.
	But I don't think he would identify as English.
	And when he's watching cricket, I think he would support Jamaica over England.
	And he identifies as Jamaican.
	So there is something in that self-ID. It is very liberal, progressive, or very modern, but that shows how ahead of his time Enoch was.
	I think there was also a grain of truth in it.
	My father's mixed race, and my grandfather came from St.
	Helena.
	My grandmother was English.
	But my father doesn't have any particular sympathies or leanings towards St.
	Helena.
	He's very English.
	He's very proud to be English.
	And he was in the RF. So he served in Iraq.
	He served in the Falklands, not in the war, but he was at the Falklands afterwards.
	And so I found Enoch's answer there very, actually...
	I was like, yeah, no, I think that is a good sign of, you know, because if you're prepared to put your life on the line for something, that kind of shows that you're committed to it.
	But I think if we look at Englishness as both a nationality and an ethnicity, an ethnicity is broader than just skin colour.
	It is ancestry, that is a part of it, but it's also history, family lineage, language, culture.
	There's a lot of things to take on board.
	Some of them you can adopt, but some of them you can't.
	And I think we have to look at it in the broader context.
	Yeah, and I've been...
	You know what?
	Weirdly, after studying all of the critical race theorists, I've actually been persuaded by one of their essays to adopt a kind of tribal way of looking at this.
	As in, tribes are held together by self-identity and common relationship.
	and believes they are a part of the tribe and the other members of the tribe consider themselves to have a relationship with that person and accept them in as a member of their own, then I actually think that's quite an inclusive and stabilizing way of bringing about a shared ethnicity.
	And when he says racism is the basis of ethnicity or for nationhood or whatever, he's kind of right.
	As in, it is your commitment to yourselves and not your commitment to other things that is the distinguishing boundary between you and them.
	I don't think he's suggesting that we should hate people because of the colour of their skin.
	No, not at all.
	What he's saying is actually all national differences are...
	a form of racism.
	And I do think this kind of, you know, it's about the relationship you have with the individual.
	So if you've got someone who just hates this country and then comes over and it's like, right.
	Okay.
	You've got to call me English now.
	It's like, I don't think I actually do, you know, because there's a relationship between us.
	And I think that you have to do something for me to do something.
	It's tribal, and that's biblical language.
	Tribes and nations are designed for a reason, and it binds us together.
	It's the things that unite us, but of course, people on the left will say, you're being divisive.
	We're binding together, oh, you're being divisive.
	Exactly, but it's inclusive, isn't it?
	It's like, you are welcome to come and join us, but you have to be a part of what we're doing.
	You can't come to change us.
	That's not inclusivity.
	Exactly.
	And this was an essay called Translating Yonan Dindo, or something.
	An essay about the Mashpee Indian tribe.
	And essentially what it was, it was the sort of abstract enlightenment categories of black and white were being applied to this Indian tribe.
	And the Indian tribe were like, we don't know what you're talking about.
	We're Mashpee.
	And you have to go through a set of rituals in order to join the tribe.
	But once you've done those and you're in the tribe, well, you're one of us.
	You're not black or white now.
	Now you're Mashpee.
	Well, because black and white is based on skin colour, which is a social...
	Race is a social construct in that regard, but the tribes aren't.
	Tribes are natural, and we've had an English tribe forever.
	Exactly.
	And it's also, you know, the idea of, like, the abstract term black and white.
	Well, okay, that includes a lot of things that aren't English.
	And, you know, it tries to exclude things that are English.
	You know, I'm not happy with this.
	Anyway, so Enoch was not, like, some sort of dogmatic racist, as far as I can tell.
	And so then you get this famous debate on the Dick Cavett show, which was again sometime in the 60s or 70s, a long, long time ago, in which we get to hear just from Enoch about his concerns.
	Let's have a listen to this.
	Do you know the very facts of numbers were...
	Grossly underestimated.
	Two or three years ago, I myself underestimated them.
	In 1964, 1965, I myself supposed that this immigrant population, which I've explained, would stabilize at roughly a million.
	And while I thought that this was something which would have been better than...
	If it had been avoided, still it didn't seem to me that it represented a major problem for the future of this country.
	It is the numerical facts that have changed the outlook.
	Perfectly reasonable position.
	Of course it is.
	Perfectly reasonable.
	And so Jonathan Miller, the person he's talking to, pushes back a bit.
	But I had to cut quite a lot of it because it's in the old style, very meandering.
	But this is Enoch understating the numbers.
	Let's listen to this.
	Are you worrying about the increase in the size of the population or the increase of a certain element of the population which is, in some way, have features which are...
	Of course we are not concerned with the increase in the total population from, say, 55 to 60 million.
	We are concerned with the increase in an element of a population Which is profoundly different, thinks itself different, is seen as different from the rest.
	And that is where the significance both of number and of concentration comes in.
	Now, it could be as serious, indeed it could be more serious, If that different population were white and not coloured, I can well imagine that if they were, for example, Germans or Russians who were going to be occupying two-fifths or a half of Birmingham at the beginning of the next century, we should...
	Yes, in occupation, living yet.
	But as with some of your American cities, a considerable proportion, in the case of Birmingham, it will be at least two-fifths, will be occupied by the immigrants and their descendants by the early years of the next century.
	They got their heckles up at the word, in occupation, didn't they?
	Nothing changed.
	Yeah, but I mean, to be fair, it's not long after the war, I suppose.
	Okay.
	Maybe that's forgivable.
	But again, you can see his point.
	Exactly.
	I mean, if Birmingham was mostly German, that would be just as concerning as if it was anything else.
	Well, like our prison population, the largest demographic after us is Albanian, and that is a concern.
	And we're seeing the mass illegal immigration from Albania.
	Yes, indeed.
	And we saw, obviously, they were celebrating their Independence Day the other day.
	The Albanian ultra-nationalists.
	All of these asylum seekers and refugees that have been fleeing a war-torn, horrible place to live in their expensive Mercedes and Porsches.
	How did they get those?
	Oh, you tell me.
	Very hard-working Albanians, you see.
	I always compare that to the Cubans, right?
	The Cubans who flee to Florida don't tend to wave the Cuban flag.
	They wave the American flag because they're grateful to America.
	Because they're genuinely fleeing.
	Yes, yes.
	They're genuinely fleeing, exactly.
	Imagine fleeing a country and celebrating that country when you get there.
	No, I can't.
	It's impossible because I would think that I would be a massive hypocrite and totally ungrateful to the kind people who took me in and rescued me.
	Anyway, so, I mean, Enoch's prediction, the early years, the early decades of the 21st century, no, not two-fifths, more like three-quarters, nearly, or two-thirds, sorry.
	Birmingham is super-diverse, is the term that they've been using.
	Literally, quote, super-diverse.
	It's not just diverse, it's super diverse.
	Because they want it.
	This is it.
	They always celebrate it.
	They celebrate their own demise.
	It's bizarre to me.
	Yes, they say that ethnic minorities represent 51.4%.
	However, again, I actually thought I did have the actual number.
	Birmingham is not 51% English, it's 42.9%.
	So there are 10% of other Europeans there.
	But again, because we're using the abstract category white, it actually hides the issue, which is something Nigel Farage fell afoul of, in fact.
	But that's on purpose as well, isn't it?
	In the next census, they're not even good to ask people their nationality.
	Yes.
	Well, actually, let me fact check you.
	Oh, go on.
	Because Nigel Farage put out the video saying exactly that.
	Yeah, he got in trouble for that.
	He did.
	He said, well, London is minority white, and they're not even going to ask nationality on the next census in 10 years.
	And so the BBC were like, brilliant, brilliant.
	We can tell him that in the most strict and narrow terms, he is right.
	London isn't minority white.
	53.8% of Londoners said they were white.
	Only 36% of them said they were British, though.
	Yeah.
	Because there are hundreds of thousands of Germans and French and Polish and Albanian and whoever else.
	So the category of white is irrelevant.
	But it's just not interesting to the discussion.
	It's not.
	Because that's not what we're talking about.
	And that's not what Nigel Farage was talking about.
	So he should have perhaps been a bit more cautious with his wording there.
	Anyway.
	Are they going to ask about nationality, though, in the next one?
	Well, yes, they did say.
	The ONS now say that in future they will not ask about nationality, which is what Farage said.
	And they say, if that happens, it will be in 2031, but nothing has been decided about that census, including whether it will be conducted at all.
	Okay, right.
	So they might not even bother anymore.
	They might not even bother.
	Census, you don't need.
	Well, it's a bit racist, isn't it, asking people where they're from?
	I mean, it definitely is.
	We'll get to that in the third segment.
	But yeah, so anyway, London, 36.8% English, which is...
	Pretty much where I predicted.
	We had a sweepstakes in the office.
	I said that when the census comes out, London will be about third English.
	And I'm not far off.
	But this is a part of what I covered in my article as well, in that it's been designed on purpose for us to have this conversation to be painted as racists.
	Tony Blair made it a part of his policy to increase immigration, not just because he thought it would boost the economy, because of course all his rich friends would benefit from cheap foreign labour, but because it would rub the right's face in it.
	That's quote-unquote what he said.
	I think his party secretary said it.
	But you can tell it's the ethos in the Labour Party at the time.
	Yeah, and the idea that Tory chiefs who question this policy will be painted as racists.
	I did see a newspaper clipping a while ago.
	I wish I'd saved it.
	It was John Prescott literally saying, well, there's no such thing as an English culture.
	It's like, how did anyone at the time allow him to get away with that?
	I don't know.
	We wouldn't say that about any other culture.
	But it's also so preposterously untrue.
	Of course it is.
	There's no English culture except for all of these great buildings and all of these works of art and all of these discoveries that people have made.
	And there's just general kind of Englishness that everyone recognised.
	At first they tried to paint the idea that all cultures are equal, which is clearly not the case.
	But then they went even further to say we don't even have a culture to be equal with.
	Yes.
	No, no, absolutely.
	And the thing is, as well, like...
	It's not even that these people are the descendants of second or third generation descendants of immigrants.
	London, as we found out, was 40% immigrant.
	So there are now more foreigners living in London than there are Englishmen.
	Yeah.
	But, I mean, we've known that for a while about London.
	There's the other cities that have surprised me.
	No, no, no.
	Before it was the descendants of immigrants living in London.
	Right, right.
	And it was 44% white British, so English.
	But now it is more first-generation immigrants than Englishmen in London.
	Well, Ash Zakhar and her team are winning.
	God, that clip.
	That bloody clip.
	But again, like, so you can say, well, Enoch Powell was a tremendous racist, but, I mean, he wasn't wrong on the numbers.
	But also, people who've been talking about this great replacement theory for a long time are being proven right, in that there is a replacement happening, whether it's by design or not.
	But then we can also see that public policy has been leading this way for a long time, therefore how can it not be by design?
	Well, that's exactly right.
	I don't mean the anti-Semitic theory.
	I just mean general theory of replacements.
	That's a deliberate caricaturing of what is being asserted here.
	It's like, okay, well, when you say the people are being replaced, we're going to jump to a neo-Nazi theory.
	But I'm not a neo-Nazi and I'm not quoting their theories.
	I'm looking at literally the demographics of concrete areas of London that can't grow or shrink.
	Because they're embedded around various other areas of London.
	So, you know, you take Tower Hamlets or something, which is like 18% British now, English, and you can literally say, well, the people who used to live there are now no longer there.
	That is a form of replacement.
	That's just what that is.
	Therefore, the culture has changed.
	Yes.
	But all of these people will say, well, what's wrong with that?
	Ah, well, the Sajid Javid.
	Yeah, so what?
	But also, all of these people are pro-open borders too, so they don't even believe in having a border to protect, never mind a culture to protect within the border.
	It's this new world order of global, or globalism, isn't it?
	That everyone's welcome wherever they like, and to do whatever they like, and to live however they like.
	And I don't think that's a country that I want to live in.
	No, and it would result in the total homogenization of the human race.
	So the idea of diversity would be abolished, because there would be no difference anywhere.
	Like, well, actually, I am for diversity, and that means you have to have a border between that and the other.
	And if you don't have that, the concept of diversity just can't exist.
	I don't think I am for diversity.
	No.
	Diversity of thought and opinion, perhaps.
	Just using that.
	But, I mean, I'm for diversity of cultures, national cultures.
	Even that.
	You know, I want them to exist in their niche.
	Oh, separate cultures.
	Absolutely.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	But within...
	The island of Great Britain, there has to be one predominant culture, and that has to be British culture.
	And within the separate states, it has to be English culture, Welsh culture, etc.
	Completely agree.
	And that, Sajid Javid, is what people are concerned about.
	There's nothing wrong with us wanting to have a national culture.
	And so this has carried on to other cities.
	Like I said, 42.9% in Birmingham, 33% in Leicester, 31% in Luton.
	Major English cities.
	Historic English cities that are now just populated mostly by non-English people.
	What are we going to do about it?
	Well, the question is, is it sensible?
	No, it's not sensible.
	No, not at all.
	This is what people on Twitter were arguing with me.
	Have you got my tweet there, John?
	Next one.
	Yeah, so people are like, you're not a centrist, you're a bigot.
	It's like, no, it's not bigoted to not want to just allow your country to be dissolved.
	Yeah, the extremist position is to want to dissolve your nation, dissolve your culture, and dissolve your borders.
	That's quite extreme.
	It's an incredibly extreme position.
	Every country around the world throughout the entirety of history has wanted to protect its borders and its culture.
	With military force where possible.
	Yeah.
	And it's just crazy that this left-wing extremist, as I know, Wanting to live in England.
	But I don't blame these people because they've been programmed this way for so long, indoctrinated into this methodology of thinking that to address the topic of immigration or borders makes you racist.
	Immigration equals good.
	Diversity equals good.
	Don't question it.
	That's just the way it is.
	Again, it's the product of just rank extremism in my opinion.
	You know, and again, it's just not sensible.
	Why would you want?
	Because you don't know what these people are here for.
	You don't know what they're interested in.
	When there's a crisis...
	Well, we do know what they're interested in.
	Well, yeah, they're interested in money.
	We've got a lot of, and I'm not generalizing whole demographics, but we have a lot of people from Albania who are gangsters, criminals, drug lords, people smugglers, doing a lot of horrible, dangerous things.
	Yes.
	We have a lot of Pakistani Muslims over here raping young, white British girls.
	Yes.
	And these are problems.
	Yes.
	That are coming from external culture, coming into our country, and disrupting our way of life that need to be addressed.
	And, like, obviously that's not the entire Pakistani community or anything like that.
	But the left-wing pushback on that as well, you can't prove that.
	It's like, well, I can look at the convictions.
	But we can't prove it if they keep burying it.
	Well, that's true.
	But you can see just the pictures of the convictions.
	When the BBC is forced to report on yet another grooming gang in yet another town has been convicted, well, you know, here's a montage of the mugshots.
	And they're almost all Pakistani men.
	It's like, okay, look, I didn't want that to be the case, but it just is the case.
	And noticing a correlation does not make you racist.
	Yes.
	In fact, it probably makes you racist if you want to bury it.
	And so let's just jump back to that clip with Enoch and Jonathan Miller, because I thought this has been going around, and I just can't believe that people think that this is a good comeback from Jonathan Miller.
	You may have to put your earpiece back in, I'm afraid.
	She'll try.
	Let's go.
	Above all the descendants.
	Yes indeed, but those descendants will still be thoroughly separate for the most part from the rest of the population because of the numbers.
	If the numbers were small, then of course, like any very small minority, they would filter into the population.
	But nobody seriously imagines That if two-fifths of Birmingham consists of a first generation of descendants born here, of people from the West Indies, from Africa and from Asia, there will not be a profound difference between that part of a population and the rest.
	I think there may be a difference.
	In fact, there certainly will be a difference.
	Whether that difference is enough to promote anxiety unless someone declares You think nobody would notice?
	No, I think they'll notice, certainly.
	The question about this is whether they will notice with fear and horror unless someone announces to them that fear and horror are an appropriate response to such a fact.
	I see.
	What a patronising response that was.
	Arrogant too.
	I can't stand people like that.
	The way he was sneering at Enoch for even daring to address the topic.
	But of course people will be anxious.
	But the anxiety isn't the problem.
	It's the crime.
	It's the other things that go on that are the problem.
	Not people's feelings.
	The idea that the English would just look on passively and be like, well, I mean, it's okay if more and more of our cities are just occupied by foreign nationals.
	Who cares?
	Why should I be anxious about that?
	It's like, well, because Enoch Powell will come along and tell you to be anxious.
	But no, everything about Enoch Powell's position on this has clearly been informed by his own constituents who are already anxious, Jonathan Miller.
	Again...
	It's a low opinion of the British people, isn't it?
	Very.
	They're too stupid to know that they should be concerned about such a thing.
	Because after all, aren't we all the same?
	And that was what Jonathan Miller's position was entirely based on.
	We're just all the same.
	We go through this.
	This is just a good meme I found on Twitter.
	Good account.
	You should probably follow him.
	Just, you know, 25% of the zebras at Zebra World are now just horses painted like zebras.
	Or just horses.
	You don't feel ripped off, do you?
	No, not at all.
	Is that true?
	No, no.
	It's a meme.
	I don't know.
	I'm sure I haven't looked it up.
	I just assume it's a meme.
	I wouldn't be surprised.
	Yeah, I wouldn't be terribly surprised.
	But the point Enoch was making was true.
	These people are not going to incorporate into English life because they don't really have that much contact with it.
	And Tom from Birmingham rang up LBC the other day to talk about this, and he made exactly that point.
	Let's watch.
	I think that, you know, immigration and the diversity is great, and for all the reasons that I've just listed.
	However, what I've seen and witnessed is that in the parts of Birmingham where white people are now the minority, What we don't see is this cultural integration into society.
	So what I saw and witnessed over, you know, years of going to school and then actually in one of my jobs, I actually covered Birmingham City Centre and around there in a sales-based role.
	And I saw these pockets where people just don't integrate into society.
	Instead, what they do is almost create their own little world.
	They call it an enclave, don't they?
	Yeah, and so that's what I saw and witnessed.
	So it was just listening to one of your other callers, really.
	All four think that there's great, you know, see all the benefits of immigration.
	And the mixture of society and what that does.
	But I worry and fear that this lack of integration piece could be a problem on the horizon.
	So you made a mistake in conceding too much ground to start with.
	Immigration and diversity is a good thing, obviously.
	I have to say that, so I'm not seen as a racist, but...
	I mean, he lives in Birmingham.
	What choices he has?
	Yeah, no, it's true.
	But of course integration doesn't work because when you have massive populations living within their own community and embracing their own culture, why would they embrace the culture around them?
	Especially if they think there's a superior.
	And especially if they're just essentially not having any contact with actual English people.
	And I don't blame anyone for forming these kind of ethnic enclaves either.
	It's completely natural.
	I'm going to move to a foreign country.
	Well, if I was going to move to Spain, I'd probably move somewhere where there were more English people than anywhere else because then I don't have to learn a foreign language and I don't have to learn the local custom.
	And it's our fault for not setting expectations for people that do come to England.
	Precisely.
	We were far too laissez-faire about it.
	It's like, well, you know, not a problem.
	Go wherever you like.
	It's like, no, you should have been told where you should be moving to.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's fine.
	You know, as Powell pointed out, you know, a small number being, you know, filtering into the population would have just been completely absorbed, completely acclimatized.
	And there are people who are immigrants, even in Swindon, actually.
	I go to a local cafe that's run by an Iranian guy who's been here for like 30 years.
	He's been in Swindon long and I've been here.
	And he's the only cafe in Swindon that has England flag bunting up around him.
	Because he likes being here.
	He's embraced the culture.
	Exactly.
	He's embraced the culture.
	But of course in these ethnic enclaves that's just not the case.
	But again, I feel like we have to...
	Caveat that this is not hating other cultures or hating other people, but it's just embracing our own and supporting our own, promoting our own culture and thinking, actually, it's a good thing that needs to be protected, needs to survive.
	That's what a conservative is, someone who looks after that culture and wants to pass it down to the next generation.
	And if it's destroyed, we won't be able to do that.
	I and my children, I want them to live in England.
	I want them to have an England that is recognizably English, which is why I don't live in Leicester.
	Let's just move on to the next segment because Leicester is a great case study in how diversity is our strength.
	You know that more than anyone, don't you?
	You promote diversity on Twitter all day every day, do you not?
	Before we start though, let's talk about what diversity means.
	What does it mean to you?
	Well, Simon Webb has sent an article today asking, well, does it mean blacks only?
	If you scroll down a little bit on this, John, just this first quote, as you can see here, we've set a goal, complementing our broader 2018 black, Asian, and minority ethnic target to specifically increase black representation in senior roles from 0.6% to 3% by 2025.
	But that's the point, isn't it?
	The concept of diversity, and lots and lots of people have observed this, seems to mean Non-white.
	But why?
	To what end?
	What is the point of diversity?
	Why do they want a target to increase black representation?
	Why do they want to see more black people in these roles?
	Are they suggesting that they're different somehow because of the colour of their skin?
	What is it that they get from this?
	I'm going to guess it's about the problem of equality, because they will say something like, well, the black people in England represent 3% of the population, but are 0.6% of senior grades here, and therefore they must be being treated unequally.
	But we have equality under the law, so that's clearly not true.
	Well, they would say, well, that's a sign of the nefarious and hard to pin down institutional racism that is subconscious bias.
	It's just stupid that we want these visual representations of what the demographics of the country are.
	If we want people to be part of one nation living together, surely it shouldn't matter what colour their skin is.
	Well, I mean, I agree with that completely, but they don't.
	No.
	They're serious.
	There's targets all over the place, and it's just positive discrimination, isn't it?
	It's affirmative action.
	But now, they have what they want.
	Again, it's like they view non-white people as being in some kind of a union.
	And it is about non-white, isn't it, diversity?
	Because now we have these areas of the country that white people are a minority, and we have, well, Christians are a minority in the country, but will we be protected as a minority-protected group?
	Will there be affirmative action for Christian representation?
	Now you're a minority group.
	But we should fight for that.
	We should use our own blooming weapons against them.
	Exactly.
	And what would their argument be?
	You're not allowed to demand...
	White representation in Leicester because you're, what, the majority?
	Not anymore.
	You can't make that claim, so what's your defense on this?
	So, I mean, let's take a look at Leicester.
	So Leicester has become one of the first cities in the UK where people identifying as white are no longer the majority, the latest census shows.
	They say that 41% of the city have described themselves as white.
	Well, I went and looked into the data a little more granularly, and actually only 33.2% identify as English, or white British, they say on the census.
	So, actually, there's about 9% who are going to be European, so not British.
	So, again, the term white being used to conceal the real state of things, frankly.
	And so the BBC spoke to four people in Leicester who welcome the news.
	Dance teacher Demi Essex says, quote, I feel privileged being in a city that holds so much diversity and inclusivity as well.
	Why is diversity equated with inclusivity as well?
	She doesn't say.
	Vana Frederick and her son Bernard Francis arrived in the city in 1960 as part of the Windrush generation.
	I'm happy to see Leicester achieve, but I'm not happy to see what we have achieved.
	It feels like people from Afro-Caribbean backgrounds in Leicester are still being discriminated against.
	Or by who?
	I love when people say it feels like as well.
	In what way does it feel like that?
	But are they being discriminated by the white majority?
	Oh no.
	There is no white majority.
	No, so who's discriminating them?
	Exactly.
	Are they discriminating each other?
	It must be diversity that's discriminating against them.
	Oof.
	We need to dig deeper into this.
	Yes, yeah.
	Diversity scientists need to get to the root of where the white supremacy is coming from when white people aren't supreme in a place.
	Yes.
	Who is oppressing Afro-Caribbean people in Leicester, which is not a predominantly white area?
	Yes.
	Let's find that out.
	That's a great question.
	And then finally they have Maz Mashru, who's a world-renowned photographer of Hollywood stars, world leaders, famous singers, and says...
	Is that Bill Cosby?
	He does a little bit.
	He was an Asian-Ugandan administrator from the Empire, or his parents were.
	And he says, quote, Leicester is the most harmonious city in all of Europe.
	Okay.
	I guess he doesn't follow the news?
	How does he define harmonious?
	Well, I presume that means people getting along well with one another.
	He doesn't give a proper definition.
	I haven't seen that.
	No, no one's seen that.
	But anyway, before we get to the harmony about Leicester, let's just use the Guardian's framing again.
	Super diverse.
	Diversity is a beautiful thing.
	It's just beautiful.
	Is that actual news or is that just them pushing their agenda?
	Well, it's obviously them pushing their agenda.
	I mean, this isn't news.
	Breaking news.
	The Guardian thinks diversity is great.
	But again, they use the term super diverse.
	Note the positive language.
	It's not just diverse.
	They're still using the term BAME. That's fascinating.
	Yeah, I thought that was out of fashion for being racist.
	Again, anyone that's not white is part of this homogenous group.
	Yes.
	Celebrate that.
	Yes.
	Like LGBT, it's just an abstract coalition against the straights.
	BAME is an abstract coalition against the whites.
	Yeah.
	But what's interesting is they say, they're talking about Birmingham.
	The census confirmed what Birmingham Council always knew about the makeup of the population.
	They said the data was crucial in informing central government when allocating resources so the city could get our fair share of funding and support to give everyone a chance to prosper and succeed.
	Again, what does that mean?
	Do certain racial demographics need different kinds of supports?
	I guess they must.
	I guess they must.
	But interestingly, it's Gibbs.
	Can we have some money, please?
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	No.
	I don't want you all to have money.
	Anyone to have money.
	White, black, blue...
	You don't want anyone to have money?
	No, handouts from the state.
	I'm very much against the welfare state and state handouts at the moment.
	The welfare state should be a security net.
	It should be a backup option for people so they don't fall through the gaps and end up on the streets.
	It should not be there to make people dependent on the state.
	Yes, exactly.
	Anyway, so let's go on to the not-so-good news about Leicester.
	It's Britain's hub of modern slavery.
	I'm not surprised.
	It's very diverse, very inclusive.
	Andrew Bridgen, who's an MP for Leicestershire, told Sky News that he thinks there's a conspiracy of silence that has allowed factories to continue to exploit the workers over many years, with 10,000 people working in slave-like conditions in textile factories.
	And when they say slave-like conditions, what they mean is people who are unable to leave, because often they're illegal immigrants, they're being paid way below minimum wage, sort of £2 an hour.
	And they have no workers' rights or, you know, human rights or anything of the sort.
	And so it is effectively...
	They're stuck in the system.
	They're stuck in the system.
	They live in tiny accommodations.
	They've got no money, no freedom to be able to leave.
	It's wicked.
	It is absolutely wicked.
	And it's, as they say, modern slavery.
	And this is not new.
	This has been going on for years now.
	In 2018, one organisation reported that 75% of the workers in less than textile factories were paid below minimum wage and without employment contracts.
	Again, totally illegal, but, you know...
	I mean, if they're here...
	Who's perpetrating this?
	Well, Leicester East is the very diverse area of Leicester.
	So is that why they're getting away with it?
	Similar to why the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs are getting away with it, because they don't want to rock the boat of multiculturalism and diversity.
	And also massive amounts of corruption.
	So you've got the political angle and the corruption angle.
	We'll get to the corruption in a second, actually.
	The working conditions are, of course, atrocious and many of them have poor English language ability.
	So it's diversity on diversity criminality.
	This is why having one culture is important.
	If everyone comes to live in England and spoke the English language, they would be freer than these slaves who are stuck because they can't communicate.
	They would be able to go to the police and explain their problem.
	Exactly.
	But it wasn't real slavery.
	Oh.
	No, investigators looked into it.
	No, there's no slavery, bro.
	What we've uncovered are low wages and safety issues.
	Okay.
	It's not real slavery.
	It's just almost slavery.
	Of course, Andrew Bridgen was like, no, no, no.
	This is what we mean by slavery in the modern era.
	We'll call it whatever you like.
	That's still not okay.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	And so the idea that they're like, well, it's not real slavery.
	Okay, great.
	Get on with it, carry on.
	There weren't any chain gangs, you know.
	But anyway, Andrew Bridgen is described as the Wild West of modern slavery, saying that as many as 500,000 people may be working illegally in the UK in these conditions.
	He says it's not the Leicester East, it's the Wild West.
	Well, at least he's speaking up against this.
	Yes.
	We need more of that.
	The problem is that the governments have been complicit in a lot of this stuff for a long time.
	I say governments because it's Labour and the Conservatives.
	Oh, yeah.
	And that's one thing I really don't get about all of this conversation we've had today is that Labour may have started this, they may have pushed the mass immigration agenda, but the Conservative government have been going along with it and increasing it.
	They've done even worse.
	It's insufferable.
	I just cannot understand for the life of me It's just a lone conservative MP who's just like, guys, maybe we should have less slavery in Leicester.
	And it's just deaf ears.
	Everyone's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
	It's not real slavery.
	Yeah, it's not real slavery, bro.
	I just can't understand it.
	But apparently Leicester East is being run like an Al Capone mafia state, according to the Centre for Social Justice.
	And this is just mad.
	Like, it's absolutely crazy.
	So local corruption, as they say, covered up the modern slavery.
	The corruption was found to operate in every part of the constituency of Leicester East, including the police, the electoral roll, the fire brigade, the local councillors, they were all implicated.
	It's so entrenched that one witness described it as an Al Capone mafia state.
	So it's exactly like what's going on in Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale, and all these places with the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.
	Yeah, and it just turns out this is something that is intrinsic to Labour-run areas, it seems.
	Fancy that.
	Yeah, if you can believe it.
	Ian Duncan Smith said, Yeah, but who cares?
	Apparently that's one Conservative.
	Well, too conservative now.
	Why the majority conservative parliament isn't doing something about this is beyond me.
	Because they are afraid of being seen as the nasty party.
	The nasty party.
	The racist party.
	They're being racist against criminals, guys.
	But, I mean, Leicester is deeply corrupt.
	So, I mean, this is from, I think, 2018, this next one.
	Yeah, 2018, where there were allegations made against Leicester City Council of just taking bribes.
	Just rampant bribery.
	Everyone involved, basically.
	What's going on in our country?
	It's madness, isn't it?
	But I mean, this was all happening under the brilliant leadership of Claudia Webb.
	Oh, oh gosh.
	You're a fan of Claudia Webb?
	Independent MP? I love how she's one of the best comedians on television these days.
	Yeah, you may remember that she got booted out of the Labour Party for being convicted of threatening to throw acid in her boyfriend's lover's face.
	Yeah, anyone who states that on social media, she says, I'll file a libel suit against you.
	But you were literally convicted for it.
	Yeah, she was.
	And like I said, that was what got her expelled from the Labour Party.
	She lost the whip, yeah, but she refused to stand down.
	Yeah.
	But if you go to the next one, John, you can see that she remains MP for Leicester East, but is an independent member of parliament as she's been suspended by the party.
	And the person who occupied the Leicester East seat before her was Keith Vaz, who stepped down in 2019.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because he stood down after a rent-boy and drug scandal and had been suspended from the party after being charged with harassment.
	It's like Sodom and Gomorrah over in Leicester East.
	Well, that's the Labour Party as well.
	How many of them are convicted criminals now?
	Well, a remarkable amount, actually.
	For our elected representatives, we should expect better, shouldn't we?
	Should?
	Yes.
	Do?
	No.
	We get the politicians we deserve.
	Yes, I agree.
	She lost her appeal.
	She appealed to that.
	But she only got a slap on the wrist.
	80 hours of community service and £50 compensation to the victim.
	I wonder who she bribed, frankly.
	I don't think she needed to.
	Yeah.
	But things are so peaceful in Leicester.
	You remember the Leicester unrest of this year?
	Oh, that was fun, wasn't it?
	Yeah, where after a cricket match between India and Pakistan...
	Religious riots.
	Yes, that's exactly right.
	You have the Hindutava, Hindutuvum, I can't pronounce these words, movement, and of course Islamists marching through the street chanting death to each other.
	I wonder what brought that on and how we could have prevented it.
	Yeah.
	Alaw Akbar, long live Pakistan.
	Modi is a dog.
	And of course you have Hindus on the other side basically scream the same thing about Pakistan.
	It's like, okay, that's lovely.
	And of course this led to literally a week of violence.
	We're literally importing foreign civil war.
	Yes.
	Yes, that's exactly, exactly.
	I mean, you remember the damage that the partition of India and Pakistan did.
	Millions dead.
	And then everyone was like, the British are responsible for this.
	How could they let us do this to each other?
	So we were like, yeah, we were responsible.
	Come and bring it over here.
	Yeah.
	One local university professor in Leicester, the University of Leicester, says that the problem affects the whole city, not just its Hindu and Muslim communities, which is...
	Very harmonious.
	Well, that is quite harmonious, because they're all at war.
	I actually think what harmonious means is just more brown.
	Not necessarily getting on with each other, but more brown.
	Yeah, it must mean that.
	It's always aesthetic, isn't it?
	Yes, and the BBC put out a wonderful article being like, oh, this was such a surprise.
	It's like, really, it's a surprise that Hindu nationalists and Muslim nationalists fight each other.
	Who does the BBC speak for when it says we're surprising to many?
	That's a great question, actually.
	They say that Leicester has had a reputation as a model for social cohesion, and so this unrest is remarkable.
	Well, they begin with the 1947 partition of India.
	That's their model, apparently.
	But one professor says it's very disappointing that one of the cities where multiculturalism has taken root has had these scarring events.
	But, again, they just make these claims.
	I don't know how they're allowed to do this without backing it up.
	Leicester had a reputation as a model for cohesion.
	A reputation amongst who?
	BBC journos.
	Well, probably, yeah.
	Multicultural advocates.
	We've seen this a few times, how our media is allowed to push an agenda without backing up any...
	No evidence whatsoever.
	It's just, this is what we believe.
	You should believe it too.
	Yes.
	I mean, on the plus side, at least many, many millions of people are deeply sceptical of the BBC now.
	That's the one upshot of this.
	You can only lie for so long before people start realising...
	That's not a good thing.
	No, it's not good.
	We need a good BBC. We need a good public broadcaster.
	They're not it.
	They are trading on a reputation they no longer deserve at all.
	But yeah, so I think Leicester is a perfect example of how diversity is our strength and a wonderful case study in the benefits of immigration.
	Diversity is literally the opposite of our strength in any aspect of life.
	You want people that share your goals, share your objectives, share your culture, whatever it is.
	In sport, you want people who are good at the same sport as you.
	It doesn't matter where you're looking in life.
	Diversity is a downfall.
	Unity and cooperation is where strength comes from.
	People acting together in common cause.
	Absolutely.
	That's what strength is derived from.
	And you can see that from World War I, World War II. And like you say, if diversity means the kind of atomization of All things into their own self-interest groups.
	Then whose strength is that founded on?
	Because it's not founded on the strength of those communities, but it must be the sort of globalist subs...
	Well, it is the politicians saying diversity is our strength.
	They mean our as in their own, not ours.
	Exactly.
	The big R. Yeah, who's included in the hour here?
	Yeah.
	Because I don't feel very included in it.
	Well, we're seeing the same thing, aren't we?
	The US government, the UK government, the Canadian government are all saying we need to increase immigration because this will help our GDP. First of all, I don't know why GDP is the focus of a government.
	It should be the well-being of the people, the security of the people, not the GDP. But secondly, if mass immigration improves the GDP, and we've had record mass immigration for the last few years, how is our economy not in a better place?
	Yeah, the GDP, aren't we on the brink of a recession at the moment?
	It hasn't been working.
	Let's try harder.
	Let's do more of it.
	What hasn't been working?
	Keep doing it until it works.
	That is madness.
	Literally the definition of madness, actually.
	But yeah, anyway, so that's Leicester.
	How wonderful a place it is.
	Try to avoid it as much as possible.
	Let's move on to the stupid royal racism scandal, because this is pathetic.
	It's worse than pathetic, actually, but it does harken back to the first segment we did, where, as you were saying, someone has the whip hand over someone else.
	And it's very evident at who, and this is a racial who, has the whip hand over the other who, because of simply the response to what is a total non-event, in my mind.
	But anyway, before we begin, if you would like to support us, go over to our merch store, merch.lotuses.com, and buy a t-shirt.
	This is a great way of supporting us, and then you get something nice.
	And I love this.
	This is a kind of extraction from the Solzhenitsyn quote.
	It's not really a Solzhenitsyn quote.
	But they're lying, we know they are lying, they know, we know they are lying, and yet they are still lying.
	So true.
	It is.
	You've got to get some merch for people that aren't 12-year-old boys.
	Well, that's it.
	No, like, not t-shirts.
	Oh, well, yeah, no, no, there's a whole variety of stuff on there.
	There's mugs.
	It's not different kinds of shirts.
	T-shirts and hoodies is very David Cameron.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Good point, and I take the criticism.
	There are lots of different kinds of merch.
	It's just that was just the one that happened.
	It's the first on the list, so that's the one I got for the thing.
	But anyway, let's begin with the breaking news that a minority woman's feelings have been hurt.
	Was she a minority, though?
	That's the question.
	Well, that's a good point, actually.
	We shouldn't use the term minority anymore, should we?
	No.
	Global majority, I think, is the term.
	It is, yes.
	It is.
	This was an interaction between Lady Sarah Hussey and Ngozi Filani.
	Well, they were at some sort of royal dinner.
	Those names are hilarious, though, aren't they?
	It's like a comedy sketch.
	Oh, yeah.
	Hussey versus...
	Filani.
	Ngozi Filani.
	I love that.
	That's great.
	I mean, it's getting very Monty Python-esque vibes from British politics these days.
	But basically, it came from her essentially saying, well, okay, where are you really from?
	And it's like, oh God, that's...
	It's the oldest one in the book.
	I've had it all my life.
	It's a Lenny Henry sketch, actually.
	Where are you from?
	No, where are you really from?
	Where are you really from?
	I used to have it all the time.
	I'm from Mansfield, Nottinghamshire.
	So people say to me, where are you from?
	I'm like, London.
	They're like, where are you really from?
	Oh, I'm from Nottinghamshire.
	Where are you really from?
	Oh, Mansfield.
	And then eventually I'm like, do you want to know what my ethnicity is?
	Do you want to know my heritage?
	You can ask that.
	That's an okay question.
	It doesn't make you racist.
	And that's what most people want to find out.
	But even if you're not of an ethnic minority state, or What's the new term for these?
	What's the new term if you're not brown?
	Yeah.
	If you're not a person of colour, it's still an appropriate question to ask someone, like, where are you from?
	No, where's your family from?
	Or where are you really from?
	Some European comes over with a strange accent.
	I'm like, where are you from?
	But even if there's two English people talking together, it's like, well, are you from Yorkshire?
	Which part?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's a genuine question, and people are interested in people.
	People have always been interested in people.
	And you ask it in order to be able to follow it up with some more information about that person.
	So it's getting to know one another.
	It would only be racist if you said, oh, I don't like people from where you're from.
	I can't even imagine saying that I haven't heard that from somewhere.
	You know, the guy comes over, where are you from?
	France?
	Oh, I don't like people from France.
	But you would never do it.
	You would never do it, would you?
	It's insane.
	But anyway, so this is apparently the conversation, right?
	Can we get the next one up?
	So we'll go through the conversation.
	Can you get the second picture up, please?
	The fact that she's transcribed the conversation as well.
	First of all, I think that's illegal.
	But second of all, it's such bad form, isn't it?
	Yes, it is.
	But we'll take her word for this.
	We'll take it as true.
	Where are you from?
	Me, Sister Space?
	No, where do you come from?
	We're based in Hackney.
	No, what part of Africa are you from?
	I don't know.
	They didn't leave any records.
	That's just rude.
	That is.
	Well, you must know where you're from.
	I spent some time in France.
	Where are you from?
	Here, UK. No, but what nationality are you?
	I'm born here and I'm British.
	No, but where do you really come from?
	Where do your people come from?
	My people, lady.
	What is this?
	Oh, I can see I'm going to have a challenge getting you to say where you're from.
	When did you first come here?
	Lady, I'm a British national.
	My parents came here in the 50s when, oh, I knew we'd get there in the end.
	You're Caribbean.
	No, lady, I'm of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.
	Oh my god!
	So she's African-Afro-Caribbean?
	Yes!
	And it's not that she's not proud of this fact, because she's got a whole company set up.
	We'll get into just how proud of this she is.
	In fact, even at the event, she wasn't, like, look at what she's wearing.
	She wasn't wearing traditional English garb.
	I don't know what custom that is.
	I don't think that's Caribbean.
	It looks more African to me.
	But that is clearly an interesting way to dress.
	She's making a statement.
	She wants to be recognised as different.
	Yes.
	That is precisely it.
	I mean, this is no one national costume of an African country either.
	She's got various different Nigerian dress or Ghanaian beads and Egyptian earrings.
	So she's confused?
	Not even necessarily she's confused.
	She's just abstract from it.
	She's a pan-Africanist.
	If you go to the next image, in fact, John...
	Um, you see like, you know, wearing like leopard like things and it's just like, okay, so you're, you're, you're essentially cosplaying as someone from Africa, right?
	You're, you're not from Africa.
	You're from Britain, as you said, your parents are from the Caribbean as those are all normal, you know, completely normal, completely unsurprising, but you dress as if you come from some strange remote place in Africa.
	Yeah.
	And that's why she was like, and if you go to the next one as well, John, like, again, you can see like the Egyptian earrings, the sort of pan-Africanist colouring on the headband and stuff like this.
	That's Ethiopian there, those big...
	Yeah, Ethiopian, and so it's like, right, so when she's like, where do you come from?
	Maybe she's looking at what you're wearing, what you're presenting, saying, I don't know where in Africa that's from.
	Yeah.
	You know, because you appear to be signalling that you are from a particular place in Africa.
	Yeah.
	And then dreadlocks, which is mostly a Caribbean thing as well.
	Yep.
	There's all kinds of stuff going on there.
	Yeah.
	She wants to be recognised.
	As non-British.
	Yeah.
	You know, she's not saying, I'm from Hackney.
	I think she set out, and I'm, you know, this might be wrong, but I think she set out to take offence.
	Oh, yes.
	And by the end of it, we'll be able to show that that's probably the case.
	And the lady she was talking to was Lazy Susan Hussey.
	If you want to see the next picture, she was in her 80s.
	She's, you know, she's just, I mean, she probably thought herself to, an attempt to be culturally sensitive.
	Well, she was clearly making an effort to talk to this lady.
	Yes, and find out where, you know, to try and, I don't, you know, she may have been to Africa or something in a youth or something like this and say, oh, I went there and, you know, whatever, you know, nothing wrong.
	But my experience of racists, they tend to avoid me.
	They don't tend to come up to me and ask me questions and try to have a conversation with They don't have a polite inquiry about your family history and background.
	No.
	They tend to shout slurs, right?
	Yeah.
	Weird.
	It's weird.
	Racism's taken on such strange and convoluted forms these days.
	It's because we've almost eradicated it, so we're having to invent it where it doesn't exist.
	Yes, that's exactly right.
	Anyway, so moving on.
	The BBC jumped in on this.
	They were like, brilliant.
	Racism.
	Got it.
	They would have loved it.
	They'd have been lapping it up.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	Ngozi Falani said she was completely stunned that anyone would care.
	And is that her actual name as well?
	I believe it is actually, yeah.
	It's not a very Caribbean name as far as I know.
	No, it's not.
	Although I don't know.
	I mean, maybe she's adopted it.
	I couldn't find any information about it.
	But she said that she felt that this was a form of abuse.
	What, asking her questions?
	Yes.
	She's not going to get very far in life, is she?
	No.
	But she thinks it's abusive to ask her questions.
	But also, why present yourself in such a confusing manner and then get offended and call it abusive when people are like, so where are you from?
	So tell us about Sister Space.
	Yes, let's talk about Sister Space.
	This is a domestic violence support charity, which is a noble endeavour, obviously.
	They say, at Sister Space, we support women and families affected by domestic abuse, while also ensuring that cultural factors are not only considered, but understood.
	We are experts on the intersectionality of racism and gender-based violence, and are working to improve the violence against...
	I think they mean reduce the violence against women and girls.
	And end ignorance around the black experience of domestic abuse.
	And they also tell us that 86% of African Caribbean women have been abused.
	But the headline here is this is a company set up specifically for African and Caribbean heritage.
	Yeah.
	Well, not a non-profit, I imagine.
	Right.
	Charity.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But those are the three words they use quite a lot on this, and the headline at the top was African-Caribbean heritage.
	Therefore, asking her about her heritage should be something she's used to talking about, surely.
	And you would think she would want to talk about it.
	Yeah, because she's got a whole organisation set up about it.
	That's exactly right.
	Actually, that's a good segue.
	Oh, actually, I'm of Afro-Caribbean heritage, and my organisation...
	Because I find that African or Caribbean women aren't being properly supported when they've been abused, but you'd think that would be completely normal.
	You're right, a very noble cause.
	Absolutely.
	You'd want the royal family to know about it.
	You'd want anyone influential to know about it, so you can get patrons and support.
	Exactly.
	But instead, you ask me a question, and I can frame you as a racist.
	And it's interesting as well.
	Callum found this, which is a good question.
	Who are the abusers, precisely?
	And actually, well, racism's at the bottom of it.
	She says, black women don't want to risk their abusers being murdered.
	Huh?
	Sorry?
	Well, in her opinion...
	Wait, what?
	And she says, women want the abuse to stop, but we know what happens to black men in police custody.
	What?
	What happens to black men in police custody?
	They get arrested?
	Well, I guess they get George Floyd-ed.
	Oh, really?
	In the UK? I mean, I don't think so.
	They're just making things up now.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, I mean, there's literally no evidence to show this.
	And in fact, I looked into this a while ago, and it turned out that it was the white working class who suffered the most police violence.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But police violence isn't a major concern in this country.
	No, not really.
	In fact, if anything, a lack of police violence is a major concern in this country.
	But people like this are stoking it.
	Oh, yes.
	Without a doubt.
	But the problem, of course, with police in this country is that they're utterly soft and incapable of bringing down a criminal.
	Policing, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so she's constantly going on about Africa.
	Does she live in Africa?
	No.
	I've got no evidence that she's ever been to Africa either.
	Okay.
	But, you know, just posting things like this, you know, today a few of our African master drummers will stand with us briefly because we say Africa.
	So when we say Africa, African drummers come and stand with us?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Our culture and our tradition is to give thanks.
	So she identifies as African in culture and tradition.
	Yes.
	Which, nothing wrong with that, you know?
	There is something wrong with that.
	If you're saying you're British and you're identifying, first and foremost, with African culture and tradition, in what way are you British?
	But secondly, if you're identifying as African in culture and tradition, someone asks you where you're from, then you say, African, this is my culture, this is my tradition, this is why I'm wearing this garb.
	You can say, well, I currently reside in Hackney or whatever it is, you know, but don't get offended when you're presenting yourself as having a foreign origin and then people ask you about your foreign origin.
	If she turned up in a suit or a dress or something, it was completely normal.
	I do feel a bit sorry for her, because if she's British, born and bred, and her parents are Caribbean, born and bred, none of them are African.
	Afro-Caribbean ethnicity, but she's not African.
	She's clearly lost and searching, and she has no identity.
	For example, again, we haven't been welcoming and inclusive enough.
	Completely.
	We haven't helped people integrate.
	She clearly hasn't integrated into English society.
	Oh, don't even get me started about the kind of lack of, I guess we call it the heroic narrative that the English should have It's instilled in young people generally, not just Afro-Caribbean, but just generally about the heritage of their own country.
	I mean, I'm not even going to go on a...
	It'll be an hour-long rant about it.
	So we'll just move on.
	This is the best country in the world with some of the best history.
	Some dodgy history, but some of the best history in the world.
	And that's something to be proud of and something to unite everyone, no matter your skin colour or where your parents come from.
	And that's what we should have been telling people like her as she was growing up.
	Oh, 100%.
	Moving on, though.
	So, she regularly dresses.
	I mean, she says, hey, look, my necklace and belt are made of cowrie shells from Ghana.
	Black Herstory Month.
	What's Herstory?
	Wow.
	It's history as told through the eyes of women, I suppose.
	But history isn't history because of men.
	No.
	That's not where the etymology of the word history comes from.
	No, it means inquiries.
	These people are insane.
	Yes, and not terribly well-educated.
	But the point is, she's like, you know, these cowrie shells came from Ghana, my attire's from there.
	Thinking of Africa, okay, great, you know, but don't get surprised when people are like, so where's that from?
	Yeah.
	You literally carry on.
	And she has some kind of bizarre thoughts.
	Now, me and Callum had to debate this.
	I thought that she was just grifting, but Callum's like, well, maybe she's trapped in this kind of ideological box and she sees everything through this lens.
	So this is an Indian chap who appears to be an Indian chap who's dressed in a World War One soldier's uniform.
	That's great.
	Yeah, it looks awesome.
	Because of, of course, Remembrance Sunday.
	He was collecting money for it.
	Good lad.
	Yeah, you would think.
	But she says, I was just heading to Sainsbury's and did not expect so many soldiers.
	My mind truly went to Africa and my guard went up.
	Huh?
	You're going to have to break this one down for me a little bit.
	I don't know!
	I don't know!
	One is not so many.
	But her mind went straight to Africa.
	That's the first criticism.
	It was not that many soldiers.
	But as if British soldiers were marching around Africa in World War I. Are we at war with Africa?
	I didn't.
	I wasn't aware of it.
	I honestly have no idea what she's alluding to.
	Why would we send World War I soldiers?
	Again, I think she needs some support.
	She needs some help.
	I think there's something going on there, deeper.
	Yeah, well, that's the thing.
	I thought it was a grift, to be honest, but Callum was like, you know, I think maybe she's a bit trapped.
	Yeah, I don't like the word grifting, because I don't think most people are grifting.
	I think most people genuinely believe in the nonsense that they're spouting.
	I agree.
	I believe in my nonsense.
	Yeah, me too.
	But this just felt like really...
	Oh, come on.
	This looks desperate, doesn't it?
	Yeah, it does.
	Come on.
	It's clutching at straws.
	Anyway, moving on to the next one.
	She's upset that Jamaican criminals are being deported back to Jamaica.
	The songs of South Africa apartheid system came immediately to mind.
	Wow, again, she's obsessed.
	It's mad, isn't it?
	So, Jamaican criminals being ported back to Jamaica, that sounds like a good thing.
	Yes.
	If people are...
	If foreigners are committing crimes, they should be sent back to where they came from.
	Yes.
	Basic.
	But also, if she's so proud of Jamaica, Jamaicans going back to Jamaica should be a great thing.
	But what's South Africa got to do with it again?
	An apartheid system?
	No, we're not saying black and white people have to be separate.
	It's like, if you are a criminal from Jamaica, you should go back to Jamaica.
	Just as if you're a criminal from Germany, you should go back to Germany.
	Well, I mean, the South African apartheid system came to my mind when you said that.
	Did Jamaica have an apartheid system?
	No.
	I'm not aware of one, yeah.
	No.
	So I don't know why.
	But this is the thing, isn't it?
	To her, Africa is a very abstract thing.
	And so what is one of the largest continents on the earth with thousands of different cultures has been compressed into Africa, this is just one category.
	That's the old-fashioned English racist view of Africa, isn't it?
	It kind of is, actually, yeah.
	Now that you point it out, it actually kind of is.
	But it's weird that the people that she's speaking in defence of Her heart goes out toward these criminals.
	Well, yeah, and let me just give you a quick rundown of what they've done.
	Manslaughter, firearms offences, violent offences, rape or sexual offences, and 14 drug offences.
	Lovely people.
	They probably raped black women.
	Well, it doesn't really matter who they raped.
	They're horrible people, and they should be in prison.
	Well, yeah, I know, but she runs a domestic violence against black women charity.
	Good point.
	She's just like, you know, two of them are rape and sexual violence, and a bunch of them are violent offensive, so you can probably against women.
	It doesn't matter what they've done.
	The primary element there is that they're black.
	That's all she cares about.
	That's literally all she cares about.
	That's the wrong allegiance.
	Absolutely.
	That's a crazy perspective.
	I'd struggle with her allegiance being women, because I think that's quite...
	But even that I would think is more beneficial than the allegiance being their skin colour.
	At least it's inclusive of half the population, you know?
	But the thing is as well, it's not like Jamaica's like, yeah, you can't do this.
	No, Jamaica deports foreign criminals too.
	But here's an example that I found the other day, in fact for this.
	There was an American child molester, accused child molester, who hid on Jamaica for 11 years.
	Why did this look like that?
	No idea, but they eventually found him and deported him back to America so he could be charged.
	Quite right.
	You're a child molester?
	Get out.
	Yeah, you're an illegal national hiding from justice in our country.
	Deport.
	So, absolutely correct.
	Anyway, Her Royal Highness from the Nigerian royal family had something to say about it.
	Oh no, of course she did.
	Big fan of Dr.
	Shola.
	She's not an actual doctor, let's not call her a doctor.
	No, but she is an actual princess.
	Yes, she is.
	And her family did trade slaves.
	They did.
	So I always like to defer to royalty on this show.
	She says, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry told you of racism in the royal family and the household.
	Yeah, of course Meghan Markle as well now.
	She was vilified, abused and violated for speaking the truth.
	No, she was the one doing the vilifying, the abuse and the violating.
	That's only because you care about the truth, Calvin.
	Ngozu Falani's experience with Lady Susan Hussey wasn't isolated, one-off, or a bad apple at Buckingham Palace.
	You can't reform this.
	Oh, right, okay, let's just shut it down, then.
	Well, I just think we shouldn't do anything.
	Can't reform it.
	Well, there we go.
	It's too big a job.
	Doc Shiller's got a good point.
	Let's ignore it.
	Anyway, and of course, Miss Falani had something to say about Meghan Markle, too.
	She's a survivor of domestic violence.
	What, who?
	Megan?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I didn't know about that.
	No, Megan Markle hasn't made that claim.
	Oh.
	It's, uh...
	Wow.
	Sister Space has some inside information.
	Ngozi Falani is making that claim.
	She's a survivor of domestic violence from her in-laws.
	That's a hell of a claim.
	How is she?
	I'm glad hypocrite peers left ITV. Yes.
	I mean, so am I. She's got something to say about everything.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's a picture of her with King Charles.
	Yes.
	When he was Prince Charles.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I agree with about half of everything she says.
	That's a really good question.
	That's a really good question.
	And why is she still going if she thinks they're horrible racists?
	It's an even better question.
	We'll get to that, right?
	So, she's, of course, defending Meghan Markle because she's black, which...
	What, who?
	Meghan?
	Yeah, I was going to say, I think it's a very tenuous thing to say.
	She seems to be getting whiter and whiter as well.
	If they didn't tell me she was black, I wouldn't have known.
	If you can go to the next one, she was complaining that Meghan Markle wasn't allowed on the balcony, and it's like, yeah, it's just because of racism.
	And I quite like the way she tweets here, like, you know, Harry and Meghan won't be allowed on the balcony.
	They're in a completely different category to Andrew.
	He's linked to sexual crimes.
	Harry married and had children with a black woman, which, okay.
	All in exclusively white balcony, only black people banned racism.
	Well, it's true.
	Only black people were banned, but not because they were black.
	I love that they always make this stupid correlation.
	If someone happens to be black, it's because they're black.
	No, it's not.
	Harry and Meghan were not banned from the balcony because of Meghan's skin color, whatever way she wants to identify.
	Sometimes it's Caucasian, sometimes it's not.
	Because of the things she did.
	Yeah.
	That's why.
	I mean, Prince Andrew should be banned too, in all honesty.
	Obviously.
	Yeah, obvious reasons.
	Yeah.
	But I love that she tweets like Trump, you know?
	Racism!
	Yeah, many such cases.
	Sad!
	She had a moment on ITV where she said, look, I felt that this was a form of abuse.
	It's like, okay, I don't agree.
	And then she started tweeting that she was all on her own when she was meeting with Camilla.
	And that was tragic.
	The last one, though.
	The arrogance of these people.
	Go back one.
	Sorry, go back one, John.
	Sorry, John.
	Making you work for a living.
	Yeah.
	Has not heard from the past.
	She would be happy to have a discussion.
	How?
	The arrogance of that.
	I would be happy to have a discussion with the royal family.
	Excuse me, I know I'm ruining your public reputation, but would you like to come to me for a discussion on this?
	You don't demand an audience with the royal family.
	Well, depends on what you consider your position in the social hierarchy to be.
	Exactly that.
	Is she holding the whip?
	Let's go to the next one, where she decides to tell us the truth about it.
	If you can get the second one up.
	She says, there was no one to report it to.
	Couldn't report it to the Queen Consort.
	Plus, it was such a shock to me and two other women that were stunned into temporary silence.
	I just stood at the edge of the room, smiled and engaged briefly with those who spoke to me until I could leave.
	Just marginalised.
	Oh, she didn't have an opportunity to speak to the Queen.
	Totally marginalised.
	If there wasn't video of her speaking to Camilla...
	Then I might be more persuaded, right?
	But actually, if you can play this just from the beginning, because this is the end of this video.
	That's her.
	She doesn't sound like that.
	That's literally her engaging in a conversation with Camilla, surrounded by loads of other people, nowhere near the edge of the room, not being...
	Okay, now I take it back.
	This is a grift.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	And I agree with you about the term grifter.
	I mean, generally, I don't like using it, but come on.
	Yeah.
	Come on!
	This is not even her truth.
	No.
	This is video evidence disproves her truth.
	So, I'm sorry.
	Come on.
	And so just as a...
	There we go.
	That's the end of that.
	If she was abused, why is she...
	Why is she hanging around to have further conversations with royalty?
	Why is she not straight out of that horrible racist institution?
	Yeah.
	Great question.
	One that we'll never get an answer to.
	But she's literally on video talking to Camilla, being like, yeah, I stood at the end of the room.
	Come on.
	Anyway, after all of this truth speaking, she did actually come out and say, well, look, I actually didn't want Lady Hussey to be fired.
	That's not what I asked for.
	She says, you know, she was employed by Buckingham Palace and it's their decision to make.
	I had no part in it.
	I would have preferred it not to have happened.
	Well, I mean, that's fair enough.
	At least she doesn't believe in Kant's culture.
	She's using it to her advantage.
	She is.
	But again, it just...
	There's something about the way that that's being said that feels...
	I don't want to say cynical, but a bit, you know, you didn't say this in advance, right?
	Well, it's like we said on Twitter.
	So what did you want then?
	Yeah.
	This is not the response you wanted.
	What did you want?
	Yes.
	And like, you know, everyone is on your side.
	You're getting all of these interviews saying, yeah, I was racially abused.
	I was racially abused.
	But at no point in those did you say, well, don't, no, don't fire her.
	You know, I don't want to fire.
	She was just racially abusing me.
	Don't fire someone over that.
	Like, come on.
	I'm not convinced that Miss Fulani is the victim of all of this at all.
	No, it seems to me that she's very much not.
	But anyway, we'll leave that there.
	Let's go to the video comments.
	Okay, stop making excuses.
	Do a podcast on how to invest and how to buy a house.
	There's got to be a way I don't buy it.
	And Carl...
	Call up Nigel Farage and say, we're running for office.
	I'm going to be your running mate.
	Let's do it.
	Fix the f***ing problem.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He makes a good point.
	I've said this to Nigel Farage.
	Stop teasing and run.
	Well, he should, but I'm not going to be his running mate.
	Are you not?
	No, God, no.
	Oh, that would be amazing.
	It would destroy him.
	It would be terrible.
	It would be like me...
	That would be great.
	It would be like taking Nick Frentice to Trump.
	Although I'm nowhere near...
	Really?
	You just compared yourself to New England.
	I'm nowhere near...
	Well, yeah, but you've got to remember that in America things are a lot more extreme.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So do you think you are the alt-right of Britain?
	I don't think I'm alt-right.
	I think you're a sensible centrist.
	I am a sensible centrist.
	But I think that the press in this country is deranged.
	I'll be damned with the press.
	They're going to paint you as evil anyway, whatever you say or do.
	Yeah, but I think it would be better for me to just cheer at the sidelines for Nigeria.
	But I mean, he definitely should.
	I'd vote for you.
	I'd vote for Nite.
	I would definitely vote.
	He has a good opportunity to unite people.
	But he does, first of all, if he does choose to run, he does need to apologise for what he did in 2019.
	For standing everyone down.
	He will have to gain our trust back before he does anything else.
	To be fair though, it does seem like it may have been a tactically wise decision in hindsight.
	I mean, some people say we've got Brexit done, some people say it's Brexit in name only.
	However, it broke a lot of our trusts.
	That's true.
	That is absolutely true.
	But I would like to see Nigel referring to frontline politics, and I think he could get a very powerful coalition together in the Reform Party, because the Conservatives have just thrown everything.
	The problem is the Reform Party is too neoliberal.
	It needs to be more conservative.
	Maybe he could have a hand in that.
	Who knows?
	But all these smaller parties on the right, you know my opinion on this.
	They all need to get together.
	Reclaim Reform, Heritage, UKIP. But I don't know if they will.
	There's too many egos involved.
	It's insufferable.
	You said it.
	Everyone thinks they have the best solution.
	Yeah, but no one's going to get any solution.
	Rishi Sunak is going to continue selling us out until it's Keir Starmer's turn to sell us out, which will be wonderful.
	I just can't stand it.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Anyone else notice that Carl's becoming more Luddite-ish recently with his whole anti-robotics AI mindset and the phone philosophy?
	Especially with that recent conversation he was having with Josh where he was calling out basically scientific quackery.
	The scientific community at large in the West isn't really worthy of that much respect since they all buy into the trans nonsense and pretty much all the left's race science.
	So they don't really deserve the consideration that they demand from us.
	Oh, they made my case for me.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, I'm a computer scientist.
	This is what I used to teach.
	This is my area of expertise.
	And I absolutely agree with you in that we need to go the opposite direction of technology.
	It's rushing us towards transhumanism, which is, of course, where the NWO want us to go.
	And it's breaking us apart as a people.
	We are a social species.
	And these mobile phones, these screens, we need to turn off the television, put the smartphone away and become people again.
	I totally agree.
	I would rather live like a medieval peasant than, like, some 22nd century, like...
	Or tuck into the metaverse.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Bug man.
	I would much rather have to hand-churn butter and slaughter a pig.
	And people are laughing, because it does sound ridiculous, but this is the direction we're going, and it won't take long.
	Look at what's happened in the last hundred years.
	We've had more technological progress than we've ever had in human history, and it's going to only get faster.
	It's crazy, and, like...
	This is another thing as well.
	The point of traditions is essentially trial and error.
	To give you a set of instructions on how to do things that have been reliably tested by previous generations.
	We have nothing like that.
	We have no traditions at all for the modern era going forward.
	So we don't know what the consequences are going to be.
	We don't know what we should do with these things.
	This is why I'm such a tyrant about my kids having electronic devices.
	My kids don't have phones.
	They're not getting phones.
	I'm not giving them.
	It's wicked.
	I'm more strict than China when it comes to letting my son play video games.
	Good.
	China allows one hour a night for young people.
	I'm like, you get a couple of hours at the weekend.
	Well, they don't need it.
	It's convenience on the parents.
	Exactly.
	It's like it's an electronic babysitter.
	Exactly.
	And my wife can't believe my son's imagination.
	I'm like, what are you talking about?
	That was every boy when we were young because we didn't have a phone to just sit and be bored, you know, to waste our time on.
	But smartphones especially are the worst because you're inviting strangers into your child's bedroom is what you're doing.
	Yes.
	And I keep referring to this documentary I watch where it's about online bullying and how it's actually much worse than real life bullying.
	At least real life bullying, you can go home and you're away from it.
	It follows you into the bedroom then.
	When I was a school teacher, I was a safeguarding officer and most of the bullying was cyberbullying.
	But it all happened because the child will have their device in their bedroom so the bullies are with them in their bedroom at night.
	That's awful.
	They've got nowhere safe, nowhere peaceful, nowhere on their own.
	Terrible.
	Yeah, so I'm a total dictator, and I'm proud of that fact.
	Good.
	As you should be.
	That's a father's role.
	I think so.
	I do think so.
	I had to fight many battles with my wife over this, and I was just, I don't even care, darling.
	I'm not accepting at all.
	And so now they've got nothing, basically.
	Let's come to the next one.
	Hey, Lotus Eaters.
	It's been a long time.
	Earlier this year, I resigned from the Labour Party, and a few weeks ago, I signed up with the Reform Party.
	Not only that, but I also put my hat in the ring and yesterday I found out that I've been accepted onto the approved candidates list.
	So just wanted to say a massive thank you to you guys.
	You've helped me stop feeling crazy over this whole COVID saga.
	You've inspired me to kind of get out and do some stuff.
	So just wanted to say from the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything you're doing.
	Thanks so much.
	Good man.
	Yeah, I'm very proud that you've decided to go out and actually do something.
	I was about to say, Beau's joined the Reform Party as well.
	Right.
	Again, I'm just going to be supporting from the sidelines, so I don't want people to get whacked with the media stick of me.
	But no, I think it's absolutely, we have to start doing something.
	Yeah, we need people to start standing up.
	Normal people need to stand up, yeah.
	That's exactly right.
	Right, let's go to the next one.
	Now we keep bringing up Leicester.
	I'll never forget when I was there about six years ago for a performance, I was taking a walk in town.
	And this punkest Englishman came up to me.
	He had the mohawk, the lever, the piercings, the work.
	And he asked me to please, please zip up my hoodies so my cleavage wasn't showing.
	He was genuinely very worried for my safety and even offered to get a cab and get me to safety.
	I was fine.
	Nothing happened in London, however.
	Well, I guess I can't help that I'm beautiful.
	Huh.
	I was thinking, oh my god, what a conservative punk!
	And then I was like, oh no, that's not what he's saying.
	He knows what's going to happen.
	I had a conversation with a Canadian who, when I went down to London to meet some people for drinks, there was this Canadian guy there, he was just telling me about one experience he had had, I think it was in Birmingham, where he'd gone out drinking with a couple of friends, and they were walking back drunk, and they apparently had walked down the wrong street, and a bunch of Muslim men were opening their doors and just watching them walk down the street, and they were just like, What the hell's going on?
	And they got to the end of the street, and it turns out that the next street over was Sikh Street, and a bunch of Sikh men came out of their houses and just essentially escorted them out of this area as a kind of bodyguard, and I was just like, oh my god.
	Are you saying there are no-go zones?
	Well, that's what you were saying.
	I wasn't there, it's just the story he told me.
	Oh my gosh.
	I know, and I was just like, you know, it shows you who your friends are, doesn't it?
	It does.
	Let's go on to the next one.
	A common claim is that the media is engaged in interference in our lives, particularly relating to race, sexuality and elections.
	While my contempt for the mainstream media has never been as great as it is now, I offer a different word for what they are up to.
	Birefringence.
	They are able to take a story and split out multiple versions of it that are all slightly untrue.
	This encourages the use of polarization to make one view distinct at the expense of the other.
	It is then up to those who can get to the bottom of an issue to work out what the original story was and expose the media duplicity.
	I think that's a good way of framing it.
	It is.
	Very good.
	Because one of the problems with the media is they're a lot more clever than people give them credit for.
	And actually, the real lie is the lie by omission.
	The problem is that they can actually say things that are true and still misframe what has happened.
	It's misinformation.
	Yes.
	And it's not just the media, it's the government too.
	The fact that the government has a behavioural scientist unit, the nudge unit, manipulating the population, I think that's quite evil.
	It is evil.
	Demonstrably evil.
	But what can we do about it?
	Go to the next one.
	The doggos.
	This was the doggos doing their bit to help their gardening at the weekend.
	I should note that not one of these dogs belongs to me.
	They all just live in the street and like playing in my garden where they can chase squirrels and dig up anything they can find.
	Right.
	Kevin lives in Thailand.
	Oh, I was going to say, it sounds like that's the kind of thing that happens in third world countries.
	Yes, it is.
	But, you know, they're adorable, handsome dogs.
	Don't get rabies.
	Go to the next one.
	Good evening, Little Joan, with another Lotus Eater white pill from Fox News comes the story of the tiniest nativity scene ever created.
	It was created by this man in the UK, a 76-year-old engraver in Birmingham, England, named Graham Short.
	And he used a microscope there.
	Spent...
	Five eight-hour days, 40 hours in total, and he had Botox injections in his eyes to keep his nerves from twitching while he worked.
	And you can see the results here.
	Merry Christmas!
	I mean, that's lovely, but I don't endorse anyone getting Botox injections just to continue with their work.
	It's a bit much, isn't it?
	Well, it is.
	But there was something about that to me that struck me as being quintessentially English.
	Yeah, the old English guy who's just been in his shed.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The eccentric English hobbyist who's been in his garage for 30 years.
	Birmingham, England.
	Yeah.
	And he's got all of his equipment and he's like, look, I've made the smallest nativity play ever.
	It's like...
	That's great, Graham.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know, that's adorable.
	His wife doesn't...
	Yeah, exactly.
	His wife's like, it just keeps him happy, you know?
	It's just...
	It's so classically English.
	Love that.
	Yeah, yeah, me too.
	So let's have a quick couple of comments and then we'll call it a day.
	George says, happy to see Calvin on the show again.
	He's indeed a holy man for having the patience to deal with that Cambridge debate.
	That was fun.
	Thank you for the coverage of that.
	Yeah, Callum loved that debate.
	Which Carl seems to be...
	What are his views on the death penalty which Carl seems to be supporting so strongly?
	Oh, okay.
	First time I've been asked about that publicly.
	I don't know.
	I don't think it's a black and white issue.
	I think there can be a biblical argument for the death penalty.
	And I think there are certain crimes such as child rape that are deserving of a harsh penalty.
	But would I want to see the death penalty brought to England, I'm not convinced, because I don't trust our judicial system.
	I don't trust our judges, our politicians, in that I don't think justice is always served.
	And the greatest fear of mine is injustice.
	I'll work on an argument for the death penalty next time you're on.
	Right.
	I've decided that too many absolutely atrocious people are going unhanged, and that's bad, in my opinion.
	So I'll work on a thing to persuade you.
	Free Will says, does Calvin think the Church of England priests are still Christian or does he think they are merely going through the motion and are really Marxist in disguise?
	No, no, there are many, many really good priests in the Church of England.
	So, yeah, the priests and the laity are fantastic.
	It's the bishops who have forgotten who Christ is.
	Really?
	Yeah, it's the liberal, progressive bishops chasing societal norms and worried too much about politics that they have forgotten what their true job is to defend the faith.
	What's really interesting as well is I've noticed that the Catholics are gaining a surprising amount of steam on social media by just committing to their own principles.
	Well, sometimes.
	Even the Roman Catholics are just as bad as the church.
	No, no, not the priests, but I mean the activists.
	Sorry.
	But, you know, you can see that, you know, it gathers support from fellow Catholics.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But they're like, no, no, I think that is right.
	You know, and the Anglicans could do the same thing if they had the spine...
	Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of wets as well.
	I got blocked yesterday from a priest that I've known a long, long time just for tweeting the Enoch Powell article.
	Didn't read it, just thought, oh, Calvin's racist because he tweets Enoch Powell.
	Get some balls.
	Actually, first of all, read an article if you're going to say you disagree with it, and then argue the points, or just stay quiet.
	Don't be a virtuous signaler.
	America's in Hospice Care says, Welcome back, Calvin.
	Good to see you here paired up with Carl.
	Carl, thanks for building what's become low seaters.
	I really appreciate it.
	Well, thanks very much.
	A lot of love today.
	Good thing you're doing.
	Yeah, a lot of love.
	Right, I think we're pretty much out of time there.
	So, Calvin, where can people find more from you?
	CalvinRobinson.substack.com All the social media platforms, just Calvin Robinson.
	And GB News, Sundays 2 to 4.
	Yeah.
	Excellent.
	Right.
	Well, thanks for joining us, folks.
	We'll be back tomorrow.
	Have a great day.

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