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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #487

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast the load seeders for the 23rd of September 2022 I'm I'm joined by Carl.
	Hello!
	And today we're going to be talking about what to do if your partner offers an open relationship.
	More dadism.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Local man shuts down trans child clinic.
	Just cleaning up his local area.
	Matt Walsh.
	One clinic at a time.
	And also loads of porn stars are regretting doing porn.
	Which, um...
	Again, this feels like a Jordan Peterson moment where it's like, oh, clean your room.
	No, Dad.
	Jordan Peterson says it.
	Oh, do it.
	Your dad's like, don't become a porn star.
	And they're like, no.
	And then, oh, no.
	Kind of.
	But actually having the real experiences of the porn stars themselves actually does have a bit of weight.
	Yeah, it certainly does.
	But otherwise, just some events first.
	So firstly to mention, we're banned from YouTube for a week.
	So thanks, YouTube.
	Very cool.
	So there's that.
	So if you're wondering why there's not going to be stuff up for a week, that'll be why.
	Otherwise, of course, Lotuses.com, always going to keep going.
	Speaking of which, if you'd like to come and check us out on Monday, you can see that we have a premium hangout plugged here.
	The Is Tony Blair Based podcast, which...
	A lot of people have been asking the question...
	Someone screencap this and send this to AA. Yeah, like, is Tony Burbitt...
	Oh, look at Blaise Bear.
	The Dark Lord is going to come back and save Britain.
	It's like, I don't think so.
	But we'll talk about that on Monday.
	Yeah.
	So otherwise, we shall begin with, I suppose, open relationships.
	Yeah.
	So I find certain subreddits quite fascinating.
	And rpolyamorous is always one of those amusing ones.
	And I found a particular thread from 2013 that I thought was very interesting and I wanted to talk about.
	But before we go on, if you want to support us, because, you know...
	Why wouldn't you?
	Go to lowseas.com and watch this relationship advice from Patrice O'Neill.
	How to be a man.
	Because this is good grounding from where he is to where the people on our polyamory are.
	It's a vast gulf that's like a million miles away.
	And here's a selection of things that basically you don't do.
	So the first one, sorry.
	Let's begin with some bad examples, right?
	So I've been ill all this week, so I'm just...
	You tell me now?
	Yeah, I'm just getting over this cough.
	So let's go to this first one, right?
	This is just amazing.
	You see, double standards, right?
	Me, my, and this is 23-year-old Enby, so woman.
	What does Enby mean?
	Non-binary.
	What?
	Okay, all right, yeah.
	I'm not a man or a woman, you're a girl.
	So it's a woman, I just...
	My boyfriend, 30 male, seems to have double standards for our dating.
	We've been non-monogamous from the start of our relationship, but we weren't really actively seeing other people until six months in.
	It's probably been another six months since then, and things have settled pretty nicely.
	I definitely had an unexpected panic when he first started to more actively pursue other people.
	Right, so you're not really into this.
	Like, as you can see, like, the human heart tends to attach to just one other person, and then as soon as, oh, wait, whoa, whoa, non-monogamous relationship, brilliant, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, I'm going out another day.
	Whoa, wait a minute, you can't do that to me.
	That's the instant thought from the people who are trying to pursue this, right?
	I was surprised by this, I'm really honest with him, as I unearthed some self-esteem issues that led me to feeling really scared he'd leave me.
	This isn't for you.
	This isn't for anyone, really.
	Because all of this subreddit is just people going, okay, here's why this isn't working for me.
	And it carries on.
	These days I'm in therapy.
	Of course you are.
	And the real reason that I'm scared is that it's not going to be someone else that's going to overshadow me.
	We're both pretty active in dating now and we're both queer.
	There's not a lot of active jealousy and I tend to mostly date women.
	He tends to mostly see men.
	Right.
	Okay.
	So why are you together?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Every once in a while I'm interested...
	Are you together?
	What am I? Well, no, no, it keeps going.
	Every once in a while I'm interested in a man and he seems to be more jealous than he ever is with women.
	This isn't...
	this isn't...
	right.
	Like, as soon as...
	Really?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Could you imagine telling a Muslim about this story?
	So there's a non-binary girl in there.
	And when she's having sex with women, her boyfriend doesn't care.
	But as soon as I go on a date with a man, suddenly my very open-minded boyfriend has a problem with it.
	Yes, so it's basically an absolute mess, as you can see.
	I don't have a lot of opinions on how people should live their sexual lives or whatever, you know?
	But when it comes to polygamy, I've always found it a complete joke.
	Yes.
	I mean, a very famous example in the UK being our former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who had an open relationship with his wife when he was Mayor of London, and the rule was don't catch feelings, which totally worked out because he ended up catching feelings divorcing his wife and getting with the new lady.
	Yeah, that seems to be exactly the problem.
	It just seems to be the end result, always.
	I don't know how this works for people.
	Because it turns out that sex and romantic feelings are inextricably linked in human beings.
	Probably an evolutionary necessity for the purposes of procreation that we can't really do much about.
	Anyway, next one.
	We're not spiders that just have sex?
	Well, I mean, no, we're not spiders that just have sex.
	And a lot of spiders eat their mates afterwards, anyway.
	So the ideological hero of Al-Qaeda, when he was- Go on.
	Weird segue.
	The thing that radicalized him into one thing to blow up the West- Was our polyamory.
	Unironically.
	So he visited the United States, a whole other bunch of stuff happened, but then he ended up in some dry city at university.
	Yeah.
	And he ran into a professor who was like, you Orientals, you value sex too much.
	You think it's sacred?
	We should have sex like animals do, like the mare and the stallion, the cow, whatever.
	And he just looks at her with disgust.
	She's like, don't you just want to be an animal?
	Yeah, this is the point in his life where he's debating becoming a modern man of the West, or a literal Luddite Islamist, and he picks the Luddite Islamist, and then that's how Al-Qaeda was actually inspired to become.
	Well, I'm not too terribly surprised, to be honest.
	This sort of thing, you might think it's funny, but it technically caused 9-11, so...
	Anyway, going on to catching feelings and having relationships destroyed.
	Now you'll notice that there are often, most of the, not most, but more posts than not I found when I was looking through the subreddit are women complaining about this, right?
	You would think it would be men because men in the dating pool have a much more difficult time of achieving casual sex.
	But actually, no, this is something that the women seem to be complaining more about.
	So, next one.
	Short context.
	My husband and I had a bit of a tiff a couple of weeks ago where he forgot about me while on a date and showed up at 1 in the morning instead of 8.30pm.
	And she says to me, did you try and reschedule with her?
	And her husband, John, said, come on, babe, you know I'd show up at the date with her even if I was dead lol.
	I mean, my wife would explode.
	Like, it would be nuclear.
	I mean, A, I wouldn't even ever dream of bringing this up to my wife, obviously.
	But just the lack, just the prioritization.
	And just like, oh no, I can't wait to go on a date with her.
	I'll see you later.
	Yeah, I know.
	My wife gets angry if I paint too many evenings in a week, right?
	This is just...
	You're cheating on me with your little models.
	Basically, yeah.
	Yeah, there is that sort of, you know, envy.
	And so, like, this is...
	She says this quote, Needless to say, my marriage is over.
	Needless to say, why were you doing this in the first place?
	You know, it's because you thought you could get what you wanted and have everything the way, you know, both ways.
	She says, I am absolutely 100% baffled as to how a 35-year-old, qualified, professional, otherwise caring man does not see anything wrong with the above sentence.
	He was still arguing, but I live with her.
	You only get to spend X time with girlfriends or dates, so it's only fair if I ask the wife to reschedule.
	Really?
	Really?
	How did your marriage fail, right?
	She says, and she concludes with this, John, we are married.
	Okay, but you're having sex with people outside of the marriage.
	You just successfully prioritized your project over me.
	While you failed to refuse to do that with two of your other partners, you prioritized your secondary partner's work and a casual date over me, your wife.
	Oh, that's right.
	Me, your wife.
	Yeah, that's something exclusive and sacred, which it's not.
	Exactly.
	What are you appealing to at that point?
	It's me, your wife.
	Yeah, but you're just one of many?
	I mean, again, I'll bring the Muslim into the conversation.
	Exactly!
	Aren't we just animals?
	But that's the thing, isn't it?
	The appeal to the sacredness of the wife, this is now an appeal to some sort of metaphysical formula, where it's like, look, I have a station here, I'm the wife, I deserve respect.
	Yeah, but she's my project.
	But you've reduced everything to the status of just merely being an animal.
	I mean, it doesn't matter, right?
	And so, anyway, moving on to the next one.
	Here's one from a man who, and I'm just reading this just like, bro, just deal with it.
	Deal with it like a man.
	You know, what would Patrice O'Neill have said about this guy, right?
	He says this, I still didn't walk away.
	My girlfriend keeps on lying.
	She started an affair in an open relationship.
	Uh, how?
	Wow.
	Because, like you're saying, you don't want to catch feelings, right?
	This is the affair.
	Oh, right.
	She has feelings for this guy.
	Facing the facts, she can't do ethical non-monogamy because there's no such thing.
	She is in love very deeply.
	I tried to support her in every possible way.
	I explained my boundaries over and over again.
	She ignored them over and over again.
	Mick, that's not your girlfriend.
	Then why hasn't he left?
	Because...
	I don't get it, but these people, like, they set up and they're like, right, these are the boundaries of the weird relationship we're going to have.
	And then she's broken, and they're like, okay, then it's over, like a contract.
	Well, there are other reasons, aren't there?
	Tonight will be the night where I tell her that her affair and I just can't cope with it anymore.
	I wish I could trust them and tell them...
	Trust them to what?
	What's the trust?
	They've got the boundaries.
	Exactly.
	To give up the affair or give up on our relationship.
	But I can't trust them anymore.
	Every day another lie surfaces.
	Each and every time it's on me to explain that those lies create a toxic environment for me and our children.
	Oh God.
	There we go.
	Even if they tell me they will cool down their relationship, it was too much lying.
	Here's her boss, they work together very closely.
	They will not be able to deal with their mutual attraction.
	She feels that I take her freedom away when I ask for open communication.
	She can't make time for counselling because of her job.
	Dude, this is over.
	This is dead on arrival.
	What are you doing?
	This is the most pathetic thing in the world.
	I mean, at least in family court you'd be able to argue you did nothing wrong.
	Sure.
	I mean, but he says, you know, I dread losing everything, I will lose my family.
	It's like, maybe, you know?
	Maybe not.
	But maybe not.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, she cheated on me with her boss.
	I'm taking the kids.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, what judge in the world is going to be like, well, no, she's staying with the cheating.
	But I love this kind of cult-like attitude, right?
	So many if-only's are in my head.
	Is ethical non-monogamy to blame for this?
	Would a veto have helped?
	Should I have been less supportive?
	No.
	No.
	No, if we were monogamous, this might have not happened, I think.
	Do you, Mr.
	Reddit?
	He says this, this exact same situation occurs in a monogamous context every day.
	It's like, no, it doesn't.
	People get cheated on and relationships break up.
	That's correct.
	But that's not what's happening here.
	What you've done is allowed her to go off and have sex with her boss and she's fallen in love with him.
	But even with his own framework, I presume originally of like, we'll have these boundaries.
	Those have already been broken, so you're done.
	Yeah.
	And you're still there.
	Why?
	You would think so, wouldn't you?
	But he says, working towards a polystructure will have given me the strength to accept reality.
	Some people are just cheaters in any context.
	Is this cheating?
	How is this cheating?
	Because he caught feelings.
	Exactly.
	That's the cheating part, right?
	Anyway, he says thank you to the polyamorous community for supporting him.
	Is that okay?
	But they did drive you to this point, didn't they?
	Like, it was you being on this Reddit every day.
	That is what all the chat is noticing.
	Everyone's just like, Reddit, Reddit, Reddit.
	Yeah.
	It did just happen to be every one of these was Reddit.
	Yeah.
	And so this is where we come to an old post from 2013 that I think is probably true because I had to go and dig up archives of this From the wet archive on redditlog.com.
	So this had been quite thoroughly scrubbed, actually, from the internet.
	So I had to go and dig this up, and it's by a woman.
	And again, there appears to be no particular reason that this would be falsified.
	And this king is the example you follow if the person you're having a relationship with, even...
	It makes the merest hint of the concept of an open relationship, right?
	She begins with this.
	TLDR. I love my boyfriend.
	Was curious about some of the guys.
	I asked him and he broke up with me on the spot.
	How do I get him back?
	I feel like he's overreacting.
	Is he overreacting, Callum?
	I think that's done.
	Yeah?
	I don't think he's coming back.
	What was the wording she used?
	She asked about some other guys?
	Yeah, well, she begins with, I'm not going to bore you guys with huge blocks of text, but you can see.
	Blocko text.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But that's fine, because it's an entertaining block of text, right?
	Yeah.
	Trust me, this block of text is worth it.
	No, no, this one actually is.
	No, no, it's true.
	It's a real thing.
	Yeah.
	I've been with my boyfriend for five years, right?
	Five years.
	So you'd think you'd know the guy pretty well after being in a relationship with him for five years, right?
	This is how she describes him.
	He's amazing.
	Great job.
	Family and friends love him.
	Intelligent, attractive, supportive, and the sex life is great.
	What on earth is wrong with this woman?
	But I've got it all.
	And I want a little bit more.
	I just want a bit more...
	Because you can...
	It's not...
	Right, but you can understand where they're like, oh, you know, he's great at everything, but he's terrible in bed, you know, won't do things, or whatever.
	But not even that.
	No, the sex life is great, everything's going fine, and you're like, yeah, how do I mess this up?
	Exactly, exactly.
	It's like, hmm, everything's perfect.
	I'm not happy.
	I need to ruin this.
	One of the important points is that we do not fight at all.
	He's quite firm about this.
	He thinks fighting is a waste of time and for children.
	I've learned early on in the relationship that it's something I've grown to agree with even though I hated it at first.
	We always sit down, discuss, and talk about the issues and are able to reach compromises.
	And this guy, she's making him sound perfect.
	It's too good to be true, this guy, right?
	I wanted to fight for no goddamn reason, but no, I've learned it's a waste of time.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we know.
	I've been thinking about wanting to have an open relationship for a while.
	How to ruin everything.
	Everything's brilliant.
	Why can't I just slut around a bit?
	Because that's not the deal.
	No, that's not the deal.
	If it was the deal, then go for it.
	Enjoy.
	Will my traditionalist husband, who's perfect in every single way, agree with me slutting around?
	He keeps taking me to church for some reason.
	I think he might not want to know a relationship.
	He's there with Tweed talking about how we're going to have four kids in a house.
	I've been thinking about wanting to have a relationship for a while, and it would be fair both ways.
	It's not fair.
	It's just not fair both ways.
	This is such a pathetic way of thinking, which is that we'll both be able to go off and F people, but he doesn't want that.
	If he's there in a monogamous relationship, that's the terms.
	It's been there for five years.
	It's not even hinted at anything else.
	And he's obviously a traditional guy, so he obviously doesn't want this.
	But even if he did want this, it's never fair anyway, because the women are the gatekeepers of sex.
	Everyone knows this.
	Everyone knows a woman can go to a bar and just pick up some guy and have sex with him, but a man can't just do that.
	It's an accomplishment for a man to do that.
	It's just, the way it is, it's not just...
	There's a disin...
	Sure, sure.
	There's a disinbalance of power there.
	We've been over this, and that's definitely true.
	Yeah.
	One thing I do wonder, though, is looking at the ages of all of these examples, and they're all getting to the 30s.
	She doesn't give the ages, incidentally.
	I think this one...
	It did say at the top, I think.
	No, no.
	Anyway.
	She doesn't.
	But I do wonder...
	Oh, maybe she does.
	26 female, 27 male.
	Right, right.
	I'm wondering, once it starts to hit 30...
	I wonder if there's a power imbalance around that point.
	Well, there probably is.
	I mean, I can't imagine many 40-year-old women are saying, me and my 40-year-old husband want an open relationship, because he's going to be banging 30-year-olds.
	Yeah.
	That's what I'm wondering as well.
	That's a great point.
	It's women in the prime of their life, at the peak of their attractiveness.
	Like, oh, I'll be fine.
	Funny.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But anyway, so carrying on, right...
	She carries on.
	I know he's quite traditional, but sorry, in fact, we would get to sleep with other people as long as we were honest about it and it was purely physical, which we know it's never just purely physical.
	Even porn stars have this problem.
	Yes.
	I've said it so many times.
	There's that beautiful thing from a Louis III documentary where he goes to a porn shoot and a girl and a guy who have never met each other do a shoot and then afterwards he's like, so do you feel something between each other?
	And they're like, oh no, of course not, but you can tell they do.
	Yeah.
	And it's after one scene.
	We'll talk about this in the third segment, actually, but the constant sort of preventing of the forming of bonds makes this one guy unable to love women.
	He just can't.
	He just can't do it.
	And he becomes an alcoholic because he...
	Where he's destroyed his humanity.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	She says, anyway, I know he's quite traditional, but it also never seemed like something he would be that against.
	As he said things like, I have nothing against girls who like to sleep around, as long as they don't pretend they're innocent and good girls, etc.
	That doesn't mean an adulterer.
	No.
	That means someone who's single and a slut.
	However, I'm not going to pretend that he isn't a monogamous type of guy, because he is.
	I just figured that maybe I could open his mind to something different.
	Why do you want this?
	You have everything.
	You have won the game of life.
	You're clearly a young, attractive woman.
	You have an amazing husband that you think is perfect in every single way.
	And you're sat there going, yeah, now how can I get more?
	I'm going to chop off my hands.
	Yeah, exactly.
	He's very good in bed.
	I just wanted to have some other experiences.
	Nothing's enough.
	Nothing is enough.
	Is that really so wrong?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yes, it is really so wrong.
	I love him and it has nothing to do with just purely physical sex.
	So a few days ago, I decided to bring up...
	Really, does it not?
	Then why are you trying to have purely physical sex outside of the relationship?
	I know.
	It doesn't compute.
	So a few days ago, I decided to bring up the topic about opening our relationship up with him.
	His only answers were, are you joking or are you serious?
	To which I said I was being serious and I wanted to know how he felt about it.
	He then told me that I could sleep with whoever I want to sleep with and have a nice life.
	He packed his stuff and left, and I couldn't really stop him.
	That's what you do when the subject comes up, folks.
	You say, are you serious?
	And if they say, yes, I'm serious, you say, okay, great.
	Have fun.
	And you leave.
	End of story.
	Since then, he has blocked me from calling him, all his social media, and won't speak to me.
	I don't know where he's staying because his friends refuse to talk to me.
	I've been crying my eyes out for the past few days.
	So he's a king amongst kings.
	Right?
	Oh, God.
	And now he's out there sleeping with all the women and you're upset.
	He's probably not.
	He's probably not just holding around.
	Probably just find someone else.
	Yeah.
	He has removed his relationship status from Facebook and sent his friend over to get some of the other stuff, who told me that he would eventually come to get the rest of the things but wouldn't tell me anything else.
	He said, I've done enough damage and he's ashamed that I thought I would end up married with his friend.
	He also told me that I would be happier and better off I didn't pretend to be somebody I wasn't when I started dating again.
	If he said he wasn't comfortable with it, I would have been okay, but he never gave me the chance.
	Why would he need to?
	You are just literally, can I sleep with other guys?
	No, and you're clearly the wrong woman for me.
	Why aren't you respecting that you know I'm a traditionalist?
	You know I want a monogamous tradition.
	She says she knows.
	I know he's a monogamous guy, but I thought I could open him up to being the opposite of what he is.
	No!
	Disgusting!
	I mean, there's probably a higher chance of success of trying to convert a Catholic to being a Muslim.
	Well, probably, yeah.
	But it's also like, after five years, you've been with him, and you had no idea how he'd react to this.
	You'd be like, oh, maybe, I'll think about it.
	Are you serious?
	She's the most self-centered person in the world.
	She has everything, she needs more, and she doesn't even understand the guy she's with.
	The fundamental thing here, though, I don't know what, maybe she's clearly not happy and it's Cope or something.
	I don't know, she says she was thrilled, you know.
	But it's the sex thing, where she's like, I just want to have more experiences in the bedroom, but he's great, and he seemingly is up for experimenting.
	I mean, there are endless lists of things you can do before you get to having sex with random men, and if you haven't filled out that list, I don't believe it.
	But I love it.
	He literally just broke up with me for bringing it up and he's never been like this before.
	Because he views your relationship as something magical and sacred.
	It is a precious and pure thing in his mind.
	And you're like, yeah, so can I profane this?
	Can I just shag some of them out?
	He's like, right, you're not the person.
	And so he took the absolute giga-chad move and just been like, right, okay, bye.
	You're not the guy.
	I had a guy.
	You're not it.
	I've been going to his workplace but haven't been able to see him and I can't get to the department where he works because he needs clearance.
	And the receptionists say he isn't taking visits from anyone.
	I love him so much, do you?
	And I've done nothing over the past few days except cry and cry and cry and I don't know what to do.
	I just want to talk to him and hear his voice and have him forgive me for being so stupid and tell me everything is going to be okay and talk to me like he usually does but I don't understand how he can act like this because he's never acted like this before.
	Really.
	Just the absolute hubris of this.
	I just feel the self-entitlement.
	Yeah, the double takes, though, where she's like, I was so stupid, but I don't understand why you're so...
	Yes.
	You can't think you're stupid if you don't understand the severity of what you've done.
	Yes.
	Like, you have debauched yourself.
	I mean, it's literally...
	I don't know, just...
	If your wife comes in and goes, right, should we think about eating one of the kids?
	You'd be like...
	What?
	That's a good point, honey.
	Yeah.
	I just want to open up your mind.
	Why have you taken the kids away from me?
	I heard babies taste best, honey.
	Yeah.
	Why have you called the police on me?
	I don't understand.
	I just wanted to skin a child.
	Yeah.
	I just want you to forgive me for being so stupid and tell me everything's going to be okay.
	But I don't understand why you're acting like this.
	Eating babies is very normal.
	But she's acting like she's got no duty of care to the sacral nature of their relationship.
	That's the problem.
	That's what he spotted instantly.
	And was just like, yeah, no, I now have the true measure of you.
	Now, there is the argument that, well, you've been with her for five years, mate.
	You didn't see this coming.
	You didn't see anything sooner.
	Who knows?
	But the only thing I've been able to get from him is one of my mutual friends talked to him for a while, but he basically didn't want to talk about it to anyone else.
	The friend did ask him if he's really going to throw away five years over something so small, to which my boyfriend apparently said that he's not throwing anything away.
	He's cutting his losses while he can.
	Get that man a crown.
	It's like a spawn.
	I know!
	I know!
	This is the kind of man who deserves to inherit the Earth.
	So, posting this, how do you think the responses came out?
	I don't know, it's on Reddit.
	That was pretty brutal, actually.
	Oh, okay.
	Surprise.
	The first one, no offense, but this guy sounds pretty awesome and I want to be his friend.
	You said in the outline that he's a monogamous type of guy and the sex is great, and based off what he said of girls who sleep around, I can probably conclude he views it the same way I do.
	It's a free world, you can sleep with who and however many people you want, but that doesn't mean that I would want to be that person, that person to be my girlfriend, fiance or wife.
	I mean, you know, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
	You don't really explain why you want to sleep with other people.
	You just want experiences, you know?
	Does that mean?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't think you thought it out all that much.
	It's like, no, I don't think she did, did she?
	She replies to this, going like, I want to write to him, but I think he'll just throw it away.
	I don't know.
	It had been five years, and I wouldn't have minded having new people in our sexual lives, but it could have gone both ways.
	What is wrong with you?
	I just thought he would have been open to new things.
	Why?
	If you'd be like, yeah, can we try a different restaurant?
	Maybe we can go on holiday to a different place.
	Like, even in a sexual manner, it'd be like, oh, do you mind if we do this in the bedroom or something?
	And it sounds like he would have done that.
	And instead, you went with, what if we introduce a third party?
	Yeah.
	What if we just profane our relationship completely?
	Can just some other guy rail me for a bit?
	Can you imagine your wife and girlfriend saying...
	Toys weren't enough or something?
	You're like, no, I need another guy.
	Just a couple of other guys.
	Maybe ten, I don't know.
	I just want to look like a plasterer's radio.
	No wonder this guy's just like, right, okay.
	I'm out.
	You know, leaves, refuses to elaborate.
	But she's like, I don't really, I don't understand why he would just cut me off without giving me an explanation.
	I don't really think that's fair.
	All I want is to get railed by some other guys.
	And he just wouldn't even explain why he wasn't in favour of that.
	I just...
	But anyway, there was a great reply.
	You probably changed his view of you forever.
	I would dump my significant other for seriously suggesting an open relationship.
	If I stayed, I would feel too insecure about the relationship to continue.
	He's a monogamous guy, you're not, and he realizes that it would never work.
	And she goes, oh, can I ask why you'd be too insecure?
	It's like, no, no, you can't, right?
	You clearly will never understand.
	You know, what this is about.
	But anyway, I'll leave it there.
	But that was just like, that's what you do if your significant other comes to you and says, can I have no relationship with you?
	Say no, bye.
	Afghan in the chat there who's just roasting her as well.
	Anyway.
	Oh boy, let's go to the next section.
	Right, so let's talk about a local man.
	So, a local man has achieved his dream of moving to Kentucky, I think it was, with his business.
	The Daily Wire, I think it's called, something like that.
	Yep.
	And they found a local trans child clinic and thought, hmm...
	In Kentucky?
	This neighbourhood needs cleaning up.
	Of all places, though.
	They got to work.
	Okay.
	And they've done their work.
	Which is good news.
	And we'll start off, of course, by mentioning Matt Walsh's video, What is a Woman?
	And the analyzing of that by you and Harry here as a piece of premium content on Lotuses.com because that's the other thing to keep in mind.
	Matt Walsh is having such a profound impact on the female child mutilation.
	What kind of word can we use?
	Female genital mutilation.
	There we are.
	We're allowed to be against that still.
	Yeah, I mean, like, it's a sort of modern-day version of eunuchs, right?
	Yeah, so the eunuching of children.
	Yeah.
	And so he's done a fantastic job with what is a woman, like, massively changed the dialogue to be like, oh, by the way, why do we give these drugs to prisoners to chemically castrate them as well as children?
	A question no one has been able to answer.
	And here's continuing the crusade.
	It's the world we're in!
	Come on!
	What if we give them a hole in their brain and lobotomise them?
	What about that?
	That'll help with the suicide rates.
	Trust me.
	I mean, they'll stop committing suicide.
	You see the pictures where they've taken flesh from the forearm and it's just...
	Just gross.
	It's going to age like lobotomising.
	Well, that's the thing.
	In my view, if we go to the next time, it already has.
	And not only with his documentary, but a new piece of journalism has come out from him.
	Oh, excellent.
	So this is just a thread from Matt Walsh in which he is telling us what he's been up to.
	My team and I have been investigating the transgender clinic in Vanderbilt here in Nashville.
	Vanderbilt drugs chemically castrate...
	Oh, it's Tennessee, not Kentucky.
	I'm sorry.
	And performs double mastectomies on minors, but it gets worse.
	Here is what we found.
	It gets worse?!
	We chemically castrate kids...
	We give them drugs we don't really know what they do and cut off their tits, but, you know, it gets worse.
	Just okay, I mean, you know.
	Who knows?
	Yeah.
	We've got the next thing here.
	Vanderbilt opened its trans clinic in 2018.
	During a lecture the same year, Dr.
	Shane Taylor explained how she convinced Nashville to get into the gender transition game.
	And it is a game.
	She emphasised that it's a big moneymaker, especially because the surgeries require a lot of follow-ups.
	Well, it's a lifetime of medical dependence.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	And he's right to point out those big words there, being the moneymaker, because of the follow-ups.
	Hmm.
	There is no surgery that turns you into a man or a woman.
	There is just stuff we can do to you and then follow-ups we can charge you for.
	And this speech, I've put subtitles on it, it's horrific to say the least, but this is the reality of why this has become a thing in the West and he's right to hit on it.
	It's all well and good, ideological stuff, and yeah, ideological stuff can take hold of society just as easily as money stuff, but this is where the two align.
	There is huge money in this, of course, and huge ideological drive.
	So, when there is unbelievable amounts of sums of money, well, then we're going to go for it.
	And we have, from their own mouth, telling us that's what they did.
	Let's play this clip of this lady advertising it.
	Starting in January 1st of 2017, according to the Affordable Care Act, insurance carriers are mandated to cover medical expenses for trans folks.
	Some of our VUMC financial folks in October of 2016, started a couple years ago, put down some costs of how much money we think each patient would bring in, and this is only including top surgery.
	This doesn't include any bottom surgery, and it's a lot of money.
	These surgeries make a lot of money.
	So female to male, chest reconstruction can bring in $40,000.
	A patient just on routine hormone treatment who I've only seen a few times a year can bring in several thousand dollars because it requires a lot of visits and labs.
	It actually makes money for the hospital.
	Now, these I got from the internet, but it's from the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery, which does a lot of surgery for patients.
	I just wanted to give you an idea of how much these bottom surgeries are making.
	I think this has to be an underestimate.
	This is for vaginoplasty.
	They're saying they're quoting roughly around $20,000 for a vaginal policy, but that doesn't include your hospital stay, that doesn't include your post-op visits, that doesn't include your anesthesia, your OR, so I would think that this has to be a gross underestimate.
	I think that's just like the surgeon's piece of it, which anybody who's ever been in the hospital knows that that's like 10% of it.
	And then the female to male bottom surgeries, These are huge money makers.
	Again, I think this has to be an underestimate that they're quoting around $20,000 for a phalloplasty.
	There's been different things that I've read that said it could be up to $100,000.
	Dr.
	Winokur, who's our surgeon, says that there's entire clinics where the entire clinic is supported just by their phalloplasties.
	And that is like a fraction of the surgeries that they're doing.
	These surgeries are labor intensive.
	They require a lot of follow-ups.
	They require a lot of OR time.
	Well, she's put me against capitalism.
	Yeah, I think selling your kids also makes a lot of money, but we don't allow that.
	Even though it's my property.
	There are lots of things that are profitable that we shouldn't do.
	No?
	But you can see the entire advertisement to the medical industry from this lady here is, don't you want some money?
	Yeah, big bucks.
	I mean, the best one there being, she says, some clinic that does their surgeries, they do, what is it, phalloplasty is the current word?
	Phalloplasty, yeah.
	Putting on penises on women.
	That's the chopping off of the arm.
	Yeah.
	Flesh.
	So cut off a piece of your arm, stick it around where your vagina used to be, and trust us that's a penis because we say so.
	They give you like an inflatable balloon in it as well.
	It's beautiful.
	Anyway, that will make you so much money that frankly the rest of your surgeries won't have been worth doing.
	It's that profitable.
	And she gave us an estimate there because she said it was about 10% being 20 grand there.
	So it must be about doing the bottom and the top on male to female or female to male.
	A quarter of a million a pop for an individual.
	So you think you get four patients, that's a million dollars.
	And they're in Hogfee for life.
	They're going to need hormones and checkups.
	As she kept on going on about follow-ups, that's permanent.
	How many kids do you think have been bundled into this?
	Thousands.
	Thousands upon thousands.
	So, I mean, that's approaching more than a billion dollars for sure.
	It must be at this point.
	I mean, globally, it's definitely over a billion dollars.
	It must be billions of dollars.
	There you have it.
	That's mad.
	Thank you, Matt Walsh.
	I don't know what else to say.
	We have it from their own mouth.
	Why did we do this?
	For money.
	That was it.
	We could get away with it.
	It was legal, and it made money.
	Thankfully, selling your kids is still illegal, but if they legalise it tomorrow, these folks will be lining up.
	Thanks, Obamacare.
	Literally!
	Thanks, Obamacare!
	God, you're so right about that.
	Because she says herself, it's because of the Affordable Care Act.
	That's why the entire medical world changed.
	Because all the money's made in America and sets precedent.
	I want to see the thanks Obama in the chat for this, just from people.
	Otherwise, we shall move forward, because that's the money side of it, of course.
	But then there's the, well, what if the doctors say selling your kids into slavery is wrong?
	If they are a conscientious objector to this kind of immoral practice?
	You mean the transphobic bigot doctor who's about to get fired?
	Yeah, so here's a quote from someone at the same conference, immediately after that lady, who just tells everyone, by the way, conscientious objectors won't be tolerated.
	I'm not even joking.
	Let's play this.
	Can you play it, John?
	I mean, it's literally what a Nazi would say.
	Yeah.
	If you are going to assert conscientious objection, you have to realize that that is problematic.
	You are doing something to another person, and you are not paying the cost for your belief.
	I think that is a real...
	I mean, I think that's a real issue.
	So yes, Vanderbilt, if someone has a conscious objection to participating in this sort of surgery, it would probably have to accommodate you to the extent that maybe you can find another person who can do your job who doesn't have an objection, other things of that nature.
	But I just want you to take home That saying that you're not going to do something because of your religious beliefs is not without consequences, and it should not be without consequences, and I just want to put that out there.
	We are given enormous, if you don't want to do this kind of work, don't work at Vanderbilt.
	Cut off the dick bigot.
	Conscientious objectors will not be tolerated.
	It is problematic.
	I also just love the fact that, well, Tsar Putina definitely agrees with our friend there, that if you don't want to mutilate kids, you don't have a future, frankly.
	It's just mad.
	And the idea that...
	I love the idea that you've got these just two doctors in the clinic.
	And, you know, one doctor said, look, I actually don't think I can chop off the breasts of a 12-year-old girl.
	I have a religious objection.
	But then she's like, okay, well, we'll ask Dr.
	Smith.
	And Dr.
	Smith is like, yeah, I've got no problem with it.
	Yeah, no problem.
	Ah, it reminds me of the 40s.
	100 grand, you say?
	It's okay.
	Man, and it gets worse.
	It gets worse.
	This is the thing, this thread, the reason I'm spending so much time on it is because it lays out really how this happened, which is you've got the financials, thanks Obama, and then you've got the you will not be tolerated.
	Yeah, the ideological...
	To enforce that the doctors will do their jobs.
	But let's say you have a doctor in a room with someone and they're like, bro, by the way, this is just a money-making scheme.
	Please get the hell out of here.
	We don't want to chop this off.
	Just tell them you've changed your mind.
	You can't have that happening.
	Of course, that would be a quarter of a million dollars down the drain.
	Well, if the doctor himself is like, look, I have to do it, otherwise I get fired.
	Yeah.
	So if he's like, yeah, don't bother.
	We can't leave them alone.
	Yeah, good point.
	You need surveillance from a commissar of some sort.
	100%.
	They instituted the trans-buddies in the hospital.
	Of course they did.
	Which is that when you go to hand over a quarter of a million dollars to the hospital, effectively, they will give you a trans buddy who will come with you and monitor the doctors for you to make sure that the doctors don't do anything that is, well, regarded as misgendering.
	Guard against unsafe behaviour such as misgendering.
	Telling you maybe...
	Literal commissar.
	Let's play the clip.
	MUSIC My name is Shawn Riley, and I'm the Program Coordinator for TransBuddy at the Program for LGBTQ Health at Vanderbilt University.
	TransBuddy provides trained peer advocates for transgender patients who are coming for doctor's appointments or other healthcare-related services.
	Whether you're looking for something that's related to medical transition, such as hormone therapy, or something completely unrelated, like breaking an arm or going to an ENT, we are here to help support any transgender patients that come through our doors.
	The Transbody program was organically created through the efforts of transgender people and continues to consistently be led by trans people in Middle Tennessee.
	The Transbody program is a one-of-a-kind in the nation and institutions are looking to Vanderbilt to replicate and expand programs like ours.
	We're not seeking to find solutions often for people's problems.
	We're just seeking to be there and to accompany and to be a friendly face and to be a non-medical I'm faced in a place where everybody coming in the room is going to be a healthcare provider and may be unsafe.
	Sometimes I'm there to be sort of always observing kind of how hospital staff are interacting with individuals.
	And again, you know, using correct pronouns or treating the individual with respect.
	I mean, literal commissars.
	Yeah.
	So you bring in the transactional.
	That is what these people's role in all of this is.
	Whereas because they're ideologically motivated rather than money motivated, they will happily help do the job.
	And not only for when you're coming in to hand over your money, but also if you're there for a broken arm or anything, we make sure that you're never left alone because, I mean, you are our moneymaker.
	As she said to begin with, those phallusplasties, pay for everything.
	So we can't have you at any point being in a situation in which you might realize, ooh, this is about money.
	Can we address the representation question?
	You mean the women?
	They're all white women.
	Yeah.
	Middle-class white women.
	Yeah.
	That's what they all are.
	What are you going to do with the money from the working class?
	What are you, mad?
	Exactly.
	So there has to be some question of representation here, right?
	Like, if these were all straight white men, they'd be like, well, this is a straight white men thing.
	Well, okay, well, now they're all, you know, middle class white women.
	What do we have to talk about?
	But if you go to the next link here, just remind me, you must remember this, this back in 2016.
	Oh look, another middle class white woman.
	Yeah, but this sort of, you know, happy music in the background about, you know, I reckon you could justify anything by putting happy go music in the background.
	This is what Hitler did wrong, isn't it?
	This is how he messed it up.
	We did a segment yesterday for the weekends where we, the Chinese are showing off their COVID camps and they've got like amazing music in the background and look at our achievements.
	And we did wonder what if you did that over the death camps and I feel like, you know, people would be able to get away with it in the CCP. Like, if they started showing off Xinjiang, I'd just be like, wow, look at our amazing achievements.
	With pastel colours and a little xylophone music in the background.
	I reckon the crowds would still cheer in Beijing, anyway.
	I think the left would cheer.
	Yeah, we'll go to the next link here just to get through these.
	So Vanderbilt makes their trans buddies available to children too, of course.
	They make a lot of services available to children, it turns out, including chemical castration.
	I can't believe that Twitter hasn't taken this down.
	How is that a service, though?
	Chemical frustration is a service.
	Same way lobotomy was a service.
	Yeah, it was.
	That's exactly right.
	He says, though, at some point in the last month, they removed explicit admission of this fact from their website.
	Here's an archive screenshot.
	Huh, funny that.
	And this is why I'm really proud of people like Matt Walsh, because there's a reason this has become demonized rightfully to the point that they are retreating and evidenced by the fact that they run away when exposed.
	Oh, we've done podcasts on trans regret multiple times now, because the permanence of this is what really ruins lives.
	Like, you see so many of these...
	Again, young people are just like, look, I just wish someone around me had been slightly sceptical of this.
	Because the commissars are there.
	No one's even allowed to raise a voice in objection, and so it's to funnel them into the...
	100%.
	Jordan Peterson said it best, where it's, if you want to keep your job, what are you going to do?
	Well, I mean, I'd follow my conscience and just do less profitable, like, knee repair surgeries and stuff like that.
	Are you going to work anywhere in the healthcare industry after this?
	Well, yeah.
	I just work, you know, somewhere normal, right?
	You're going to have to move to the Middle East to start doing surgeries there, my friend.
	No, no.
	Surely you can just be like, look, I'm just going to get a job as a doctor in a small town and help people with twisted ankles.
	Good luck!
	Surely!
	We've got the next one here.
	We can see they didn't do, indeed, push this on children.
	They've also deleted this.
	Tried to hide that they did start out at, I think it's 14, they say in here.
	Let's play the clip.
	We can provide gender-affirming hormones on an individual who is on a pubertal blocker, depending on whatever kind of blocker they've chosen or we have discussed with them, or they can present to us at a later stage of puberty, and then we provide the gender-affirming hormones.
	Previously, the Endocrine Society recommended to start these at age 16, but we all know that would be delayed puberty, right?
	16-year-olds don't start puberty.
	So more recently, they did update that to say as early as 14, and For compelling reasons.
	So we have some individuals who have started gender-affirming hormones at 13 or 14 to be more like their peers.
	Again, fertility preservation and consent are very important to discuss prior to any initiation.
	Fertility preservation.
	Consent.
	Well, yeah.
	We're long past that.
	We're talking about 14-year-olds.
	Yeah, there is no consent.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But what's fertility preservation?
	Because this does make them infertile.
	Yeah.
	Whoopsies.
	But the interesting thing being that they're deleting all this.
	Of course they are.
	You think, a year ago, they wouldn't have done this.
	No.
	They would have said, well, we're proud to offer 14-year-olds these drugs.
	You're a bigot.
	I think a real culture shift has happened successfully, and thanks to people like Matt Walsh.
	That's why I'm saying he's done a good job.
	And if we go to the next few here, we'll just read through.
	After they have drugged and sterilized the kids, as you do, Vanderbilt has explained.
	I like that Matt is presenting in the most blunt language as well.
	Yeah, not gonna waste our time.
	As explained in the video, a plastic surgeon is then organised for the child you've just sterilised and will happily perform a double mastectomy on any adolescent girls.
	So let's review.
	Vanderbilt got into the gender transition game, admittedly in large part because it is very financially profitable.
	They then threatened any staff members who objected and enlisted a gang of trans activists to act as surveillance in order to enforce compliance.
	They now castrate, sterilise and mutilate minors, as well as adults, while apparently taking steps to hide this activity from public view.
	This is what healthcare has become in modern America.
	Thanks, Obama.
	I literally thanks Obama.
	I don't know what else to say.
	But we do have some consequences.
	If we go to the consequences section on this, we should be able to see more of that.
	So if you go through a couple, John, you should see they say that Vanderbilt's Transgender Clinic has deleted their entire website in response to one of this.
	So they're just scrubbing everything.
	Right, okay.
	But the entire website.
	Not even, like, the bad bits.
	No, take it down!
	Right, okay.
	Because we look, as you always have, it's just that the culture has shifted, and thank God for that.
	And the last one here being that, following my report on Felderbilt, Senator Marsha Blackburn has sent a letter to the FDA demanding an investigation into puberty blockers and their effects on children.
	That's fantastic.
	But remember, these people are only doing this because they got caught.
	You know, if they thought they could get away with this, they'd be doing it now, every day.
	They're 100% worth.
	There is another interesting response to all this, because this is the real world, in which sane people live, but of course the left exists, and what was their response to all this?
	Well, obviously this is horrendous.
	This is going to get people killed.
	They started with silence, but that didn't work.
	So if you go to the Young Turks, they have Matt Walsh has to spend years of his life pretending he gives an S about all this.
	Oh yeah, Matt Walsh only got four kids.
	Why would he be afraid of all of this stuff proliferating through society?
	Matt, I'm terrified.
	I am terrified of this stuff.
	It's all a distraction to keep billionaires' taxes off.
	What has this got to do with billionaires, John?
	It really is like the Young Turks are NPCs that they've just reverted back to.
	We can't win the fight.
	Billionaires and trillionaires!
	I love the idea that you don't want your own children to be inculcated into a culture where children regularly mutilate themselves and castrate themselves.
	You just want billionaire taxes low, don't you?
	Can't address any of it.
	Yeah, I don't care about billionaire taxes, John.
	But that response, like, not addressing any of it, just defaulting to the NPC, yeah, well, billionaires, right?
	It's nothing.
	I mean, this is a guy who's worked for the Young Turks for God knows how many years.
	I recognise him.
	Matt Walsh, like, don't mutilate children, and John's like, no, billionaire taxes!
	These are not connected!
	But you notice there is no defence.
	They've got nothing.
	None.
	What's he gonna say?
	It's completely evaporated.
	There's not even an attempt to be like, well, I don't know, genocide, maybe?
	Completely given up.
	If you ask the next one here, we have Jabba the Hutt, with pronouns in the bio, who has something to say, which is, this is white Christian nationalist terrorising children.
	As a trans person and clergy member, oh god, I stand with the underside of history.
	I bet you do, like the Nazis.
	Not those using the underside for their political gain.
	Oh, you're standing with the underside of history but not for political gain, says the person who thinks everything is political.
	Right, okay.
	But again, this is so ineffective.
	No one is going to be convinced by these kinds of responses.
	We have another checkmark who just calls it terrorism, because they don't know what else to do.
	I am not going to stop calling attention to Matt Walsh's terrorism.
	What did Matt Walsh do?
	Well, he showed us videos of them talking.
	Yeah.
	Obvious terrorism.
	Well, just, I guess, skip through some more of this, because there's some other nonsense of just people being upset, but they don't have anything.
	That's the point I'm getting at.
	So if we skip through a couple here, just so we can get to the last thing here, which is that they do keep shooting themselves in the foot in response to stuff like this.
	This is just someone who's like, oh, didn't you look 4chan?
	They're calling for death.
	It's like, it's 4chan, man.
	Who cares what happens on 4chan?
	Why are you going on 4chan?
	Just out of interest.
	He loves it.
	Yeah.
	But we also just have...
	How do I know this wasn't you posting this, in We don't.
	Exactly.
	Let me check the hard drive for that anime pic.
	But if we go to Matt Walsh's last post here, there's just something else I have to talk about, which is that woman face is a phrase I hadn't heard very regularly, and it's definitely a thing, and I suppose we'll enjoy what some of this is, which is definitely woman face.
	Day 66, being a girl, and today I'm in nature.
	Trees?
	I love them.
	Water?
	Lakes?
	I love them.
	Heels?
	They're my hiking heels.
	I love them.
	Okay.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Bridges.
	Come on.
	Love them.
	Coconut water?
	Love it.
	Not an ad.
	Just love it.
	Wind turbine?
	Love it.
	Meadows?
	love them I'm scared of getting Lyme disease I gotta get out of here Right, let's play a game.
	Do you think that's a guy taking the piss out of transgenders?
	Or do you think that's genuinely a transgender person pretending to be a woman?
	Oh.
	That's going to be taking the piss.
	No, it's not.
	It's real.
	We go to the next one here.
	Yeah, no, that's genuine.
	I mean, remember, there's that one.
	I thought that was genuinely a parody.
	Yeah, I did too.
	I had to check it out.
	It was the woman moment at the end with the bug that I was like, right now.
	I mean, it just looks like if we put on a really camp voice pretending to be gay.
	And no, I really think the term woman face is something that should start being used more commonly because it reflects reality.
	But there you have it.
	Local man doing his duty and actually dealing with, well...
	Godspeed, Matt Walsh.
	The problems in his neighbourhood.
	Good for him.
	Salutes in the chats and thanks, Obama.
	Anyway, let's move on to the topic of pornography.
	I'm not a big fan of pornography.
	This podcast is taking a turn.
	Yeah, I've watched my fair share as every young man, or man who has been young once with access to the internet, has watched.
	And it's not good for you.
	Evil.
	There's no question of it in my mind.
	It's not just me being hyper-conservative.
	The reason you don't post the links of pornography you watch on your Facebook feed is because you don't want people knowing, because it's gross.
	It's the occasional person that does.
	You just think, why?
	Yeah, exactly.
	They have no sense of propriety.
	Because, you know, everyone does it, but you know you shouldn't, right?
	And it turns out that the porn industry itself is actually, if you can believe this, hugely disgusting and exploitative to those people within it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you may remember what happened with Pornhub recently.
	It wasn't like last year.
	Oh, what happened?
	All of a sudden they deleted like 90% of their content and it was because they were found to be hosting a lot of rape or child porn.
	I missed that, actually.
	I didn't know that happened.
	Yeah, they insisted from now on every user who uploaded had to be verified.
	So like, yeah, 90% of their content just disappeared overnight.
	So yeah, if you want to find that, you've got to go on Twitter.
	I'm not even joking.
	I know, radically, yeah.
	Some of the hashtags on Twitter that I've seen going around, like...
	Well, there are maps on there.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then they get deleted.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	But anyway, before we start, if you want some life lessons, go to theletacies.com, sign up to support us, five for a month, and check out this Life Lessons from Labyrinth.
	Now, I actually really like...
	This as a kind of representation because you have the young girl in Labyrinth who is quite sort of pure, right?
	She's quite saintly in a way.
	Then you have David Bowie who kind of represents the sort of debauchery aspect of life.
	And this, I think, fits quite nicely because this is essentially like the before and after of people who have been through the porn industry, right?
	So there are a bunch of like, and this is not like unusual or modern, right?
	So have you ever heard of the porn movie Deep Throat?
	Uh, no.
	Is this how things were actually named back in the day?
	Yes.
	Well, you say back in the day.
	This is 1972, right?
	You go to the next one, right?
	Yeah, back in the day for me.
	The champ who starred in that was a guy called Harry Reams, right?
	Now, this Deep Throat was like the movie that popularized hardcore pornography.
	Because it was kind of memetic.
	So it's so quaint almost now.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh my god, he does a what?
	Well, compared to what you'll see on the internet now, yeah.
	I haven't actually seen this, so I don't actually know what's in it.
	But I assume it's just all sex.
	Sloppy research.
	Yeah, exactly.
	To be honest, terrible research.
	But this is kind of infamous.
	Everyone's heard of this, right?
	As I say, it's a pop culture phenomenon that brought pornography to mainstream audiences.
	But this chap Harry Reams, his life was terrible, actually, and he regretted everything he did.
	He spent a decade as a successful porn star, but alcohol addiction brought him to his knees.
	A religious conversion was the catalyst for change, and since the late 80s, he worked in Salt Lake City as a real estate agent.
	His wife reported his death because he'd been suffering from cancer.
	He played the male lead in Deep Throat, and...
	He hated it, his wife said.
	He hated doing porn.
	He hated doing it, but it was all he could do to make money.
	And his co-star, Linda Lovelace, I think it is, also became an anti-porn activist after doing this movie.
	So I'm going to show you, if the two people involved in the most famous porno ever end up becoming anti-porn activists, well, it should tell you something about the nature of pornography, right?
	The reason I'm laughing so much is because I haven't seen the movie either, but the idea of like, oh my god, they did a deep throat scene and then their whole lives went to pot.
	I just imagine if they were still around today just to see the internet.
	Oh god.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Right, exactly.
	How much worse things have become.
	But also their lives don't look that bad, like stop taking the alcohol.
	Well, that's the question, right?
	So if we get to the next one, this is not reserved for men or women for these regrets.
	Both of them regret doing pornography, right?
	So the first example on this is a chap called Greg.
	Now, I'm not familiar with any of these people.
	Greg Guevara?
	No, no.
	Scroll down and you can see the first guy.
	His name's Greg.
	And I watched his video and I watched all the videos on this because this is from a website called Fight the New Drug, right?
	Greg was apparently one of the most successful porn stars ever.
	He had starred in a thousand adult feature films in 23 years.
	He first started in porn in 1988, became one of the most successful actors.
	He was a four-time winner of the Adult Video News Best Actor Award and was put into their Hall of Fame in 2002.
	But only after he left the porn industry in 2011 was he able to share the reality of why he started doing porn and how 23 years of the toxic industry affected his life.
	And he's the chap that I was speaking about earlier where he, I mean, this is actually quite harrowing where he's like, you know, I just did it because it was easy money and I got, you know, more and more money as time went on.
	But afterwards I realized that I couldn't form romantic attachments to women.
	I just could not see them as anything other than sex objects.
	And I had no interest in being around them.
	And it was just like, right, okay.
	And so he ended up, like, essentially...
	Thanks, John, for that information.
	I'm not even going to mention it.
	But he would basically just spend all his money on drugs and alcohol to dull the pain of being so lonely and feeling so gross all the time.
	Was he gay?
	No.
	Why?
	No.
	I don't know, I just started wondering.
	No, no, he wasn't gay.
	Just making sure, that's all.
	The way that pornography made him treat women affected, because he couldn't form an attachment to any of these people.
	God, yeah, I mean, did he have kids?
	I think he does, yeah.
	Because I'm wondering if that also affects his non-sexual familial relationships with women.
	I don't know.
	He didn't actually bring up kids.
	I would assume he does, but I don't know.
	But the point is, it ruined his emotional state.
	So he was just totally depressed.
	This is why the other guy converts to Mormonism.
	I need to be saved.
	I need Jesus.
	Yeah, no, that's literally what it is.
	And there's another chap on this called Joshua, who grew up in a small town in South Carolina, wanted to be a model, moved to LA, got sucked into the porn industry, one who's very successful in the porn industry, got lots of alcohol, lots of depression, and is now a passionate anti-porn advocate.
	So, again, people coming out of this going, you've got to just avoid this at all costs, right?
	Wide-eyed country boy goes to LA. What happens?
	He comes out going, stay away.
	This place is awful.
	He'll consume you.
	No surprise.
	And there's another article on that.
	There are some women on this one, but this is very interesting.
	Okay, that's from the men's perspective, where it's like, it ruins my ability to love women.
	Well, for women, it ruins their self-esteem, their view of themselves.
	And so there are lots of examples in this that are just harrowing, to be honest.
	So the first, this woman here is actually not featured in this article, she's featured in the other one.
	But that's Alia, I think it is, who came from an abusive home where she'd been sexually abused as a child and was essentially sex trafficked by an older man she'd met on like MySpace or something.
	And into prostitution and then eventually into the porn industry.
	And she was just like, this is just awful.
	Is that a step up or a step down?
	What do you mean step up and step down?
	Who cares?
	I'm just wondering.
	This is a hellish life.
	Yeah, it's all hell.
	Which one's more hell?
	And a lot of them are apparently quite brutal.
	Like Alex says, one particular film was the most brutal, depressing, scary scene I have ever done.
	I tried to block it out from my memory.
	Due to the severe abuse I received during the filming, the male performer had a natural hatred towards women, in the sense that he has always been known to be more brutal than has ever needed.
	Yeah, well, I imagine that a lot of male porn stars actually do kind of dislike women, because they're essentially trained not to see them as human beings, to see them as sex objects.
	That's going to be a consequence of, you know, like with Greg, the previous one, like, you know, it's going to make you weird and bitter.
	It's awful.
	Alexa says, like most porn performers, I perpetuated this lie as in the lie that it was good.
	One of my favorite things to say when I was asked if I liked doing a particular scene was, I only do what I like.
	I wouldn't do it if I didn't like it.
	I would say this with a big fake smile and giggle.
	What a total lie.
	I did what I had to do to get work in porn.
	I did what I knew would help me gain fame in the industry.
	The very bad goal.
	Yep.
	Jesse says, it was the most degrading, embarrassing, horrible thing ever.
	I had to shoot an interactive DVD, which takes hours and hours, and she was crying, and the agent wouldn't let her leave, blah, blah, blah.
	And just awful.
	Just the most degrading, embarrassing, horrible thing ever.
	Well, that one there, it's also just terrible working conditions.
	Like, she says she's got a 104 degree fever, and the dude was, like, stepping on her head for the goddamn reason.
	Yeah.
	But just the whole thing is just awful, right?
	Andy says, Before long, I turned into a person I did not want to be.
	After doing so many hardcore scenes, I couldn't do it anymore.
	I just remember being in horrible situations and experiencing extreme depression and being alone and sad.
	You should also see, though, that she left the porn industry, but then in 2014 went back.
	Yeah.
	But she's undoubtedly going to be doing it because she needs the money.
	Well, what else is she going to do?
	Well, that's exactly right.
	You know, after being part of an anti-porn activist group, she's like, well, okay, but that's not paying the bills.
	No, but it's also, I mean, and I'm not saying this is even necessarily wrong, because we should demonize getting into this lifestyle, because it doesn't seem like a good career choice, to say the least.
	But if you're in porn, what are you going to do after that?
	Well, we'll get to that in a minute.
	Um...
	Jan says, of course I lied to my fans.
	I let them believe I lived a fantasy life that was far from the truth.
	I fed into their fantasies.
	I said I wanted sex 24-7, made it seem like I absolutely loved what I did, and I was living this happy life.
	I gave them hope and insight into their relationships by telling what to do.
	I started to feel like an important nobody.
	They knew Elizabeth the porn star, but they would never know Jan the real me.
	I had to do whatever the producer pleased, and I had to accept it or else no pay.
	Sometimes you get to a gig and the producer would change what the scene was and you just have to do it if you didn't like it.
	And, uh, Jesse says, I overdosed at least three times and had tricks,
	pulled knives on me, half beaten to death.
	She goes on.
	And Jenna says, It was torture for seven years.
	I was miserable.
	I was lonely.
	I eventually attempted drugs and alcohol and attempted suicide.
	I knew I wanted out, but I didn't know how to get out.
	And this is just such a common and repeated refrain from all of these sorts of people.
	And then you get people like Mia Khalifa, who...
	Seem to be coping by becoming a leftist activist.
	But, you know, she says it was terrible decisions on her part.
	I don't think low self-esteem discriminates against anyone.
	It doesn't matter if you come from a great family or not so great background.
	And she was doing it for male attention, for validation.
	And then you get those people like, yeah, but this is a terrible strategy.
	Yeah, of course it is.
	I mean, that's the message, really, which is just, could you think of anything stupor than I'm going to get into porn?
	That'll be good for me.
	No.
	No, it's a terrible, terrible suggestion.
	And the thing is, there's this sort of feminist view, oh, this is empowering.
	But even those porn stars who are like, yeah, I'm empowered by having sex on camera, but I do want to quit the industry.
	It's like, yes.
	I don't want my empowerment.
	I want the burka, actually.
	She's looking forward to getting out of the porn industry, even though it's empowering.
	And then you've got the consequences after you leave, and that's a social stigma that is carried with you.
	As Brie Olsen found out, she quit porn in 2011 and has been since trying to transition to mainstream acting.
	For many, she's been best known as one of Charlie Sheen's infamous goddesses, one of his several girlfriends that lived with him during his 2011 breakdown.
	Olsen says that five years after giving a porn for good, she still feels negative effects every day.
	When I go out, I feel like I'm wearing slut across my forehead.
	All of the mean things people say to me on the internet, that's how I feel when I walk out the door.
	I've gotten to the point where there are days to weeks at a time that I don't leave my house because I don't feel like facing the world.
	I get so disappointed when I meet a new friend and it turns out they don't want to be my friend anymore.
	It's easier for me to stay inside my house.
	People treat me as if I'm a paedophile.
	They don't treat me like I'm an ex-sex worker.
	They treat me like I would be damaging to children.
	That's interesting, isn't it?
	Those are really, really unfair.
	I mean, like, paedophiles get treated way better than that.
	Yeah, paedophiles are allowed to use PayPal.
	Well, they're allowed to advertise themselves on Twitter with no problems.
	Yeah, there's an advocacy movement behind them.
	But the thing is, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that people would treat porn stars as if they're damaging to children, because there are lots of children who are damaged by porn.
	Now, you could say, well, it's really the fault of the parents for allowing them access through a smartphone to all of this porn.
	And I completely stand by that, which is why I don't think children should have smartphones.
	Yeah.
	I know you're very Luddite on this question.
	Oh, totally.
	And I will be vindicated by the fact that my children won't have mental health issues when they leave the house.
	I don't know, though, because if someone who has gone through hell and knows the least wholesome things in the world and the most destroying of innocent things, do you reckon they'd be better or worse at making sure that any children around them are kept innocent?
	I don't know.
	But I would say that this person deeply regrets having gone through that and would suggest that they shouldn't.
	I know, but that's my point.
	Surely she would actually be quite good with kids in the sense of being like, don't show them anything indecent?
	Maybe.
	Maybe she's highly conservative in her opinions now.
	But she says this, and I think this is really interesting.
	I wish that people would treat me like they'd treat a married registered nurse with 2.5 kids in Indiana.
	Oh, for God's sake, I... Maybe you should do that.
	Well...
	Maybe that's what you should do.
	I wish I had a million dollars.
	No, no, no, no.
	A million dollars is a difficult thing to attain and an unrealistic goal.
	Being a married nurse with two and a half kids in Indiana, that's a totally plausible goal that a regular person can achieve.
	She's still going to be someone who engaged in sex work, though.
	Exactly.
	That's part of her baggage.
	Exactly.
	But after going through all of this, and after making all the money and getting all the fame that she got doing this, she's sat there going, God, I wish I was just a regular person.
	Like, you know, the people who have gone through it are like, don't do this.
	I wish I was you.
	You know, that's what they're saying.
	I suppose the worst aspect about all of this is it bleeds into OnlyFans, obviously.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, like, it's bad enough when you've got people who were, I mean, before the days of the internet, I can't imagine how many women ended up doing porn.
	Oh, it would have been a much smaller percentage than now, yeah.
	Since then, obviously, it got way worse with OnlyFans being literally any girl with a phone on the planet.
	You don't even need an outlet.
	And we see plenty of OnlyFans regret as well.
	Men won't date me because I'm an online porn star on OnlyFans.
	Okay.
	Do you see that lady who's blown up on Twitter?
	She's got like 800,000 likes or something, a couple of days.
	She posted that, oh, guys say that they won't date someone who's done OnlyFans.
	Well, thanks, I never wanted an insecure loser anyway.
	It's like, well, that's good, because I didn't want a whore, so...
	But also, you started the OnlyFans because you're an insecure loser.
	There's that too.
	That's why you did it.
	You wanted mail validation and you didn't have any money.
	That's why you started the OnlyFans.
	Or money.
	No, both.
	I don't know the individual.
	No, they all say this.
	They all say they want mail.
	They do it for mail validation.
	And there's a huge financial incentive.
	These things combine.
	I don't know.
	When I think of Beldelfian, I think of money rather than mail validation.
	Yeah, but that's because you never watch the podcast with her on, right?
	I've seen some of her podcasts, yeah.
	Did she talk about that?
	Yeah.
	There was a particular podcast where she's asked about her father, the relationship with her father, and it's terrible, and they don't speak, and they haven't spoken for like 10 years.
	Actual daddy issues.
	All of them.
	It's for male validation.
	This is what the Alia one, when I was watching it, she was doing it for male validation.
	They want, because they don't have strong father figures in their lives, and so they do it for male validation, and the reason they do this and not something else is because there's huge amounts of money involved with it.
	That's what it's all about.
	I was calling my dad.
	Yeah, really what they want is to have a Skype call with their dads.
	Which is going to be less and less likely the more porn you do, that's for sure.
	Yes.
	But she says at the very end, right?
	Well, not at the very end, actually.
	She says there are no royalties in porn, right?
	So you get paid a chunk of money and then you lose access to any money that is made off of that.
	So she sees her own face all over the internet and people are still making money off of her.
	But she's shunned by society and broke.
	And she says, These are things that teenage girls don't think about.
	How people treat you for the rest of your life, it's not worth it.
	Yeah, 100% true.
	Sorry, I just can't stand that phrase, embrace your sexuality.
	This is the feminism that's literally, she has been destroyed by feminism.
	That's what she's telling us.
	But it's just, it's not you can find someone and then, you know, do more than missionary for the sole purpose of, you know, procreation.
	Yeah.
	It's never that.
	It's become a plaster of the radio.
	Yeah, become a porn star.
	It's like, well, there are consequences to these things.
	Next, well, that's it.
	That's it.
	Hello.
	This will be my first time commenting, which is going to be really obvious to anybody who listens to y'all regularly.
	Thank y'all for what you do and the content you put out.
	I am about to be posting a four-part comment series, and it's for Carl, and it's regarding his piece on The Real Red Pill.
	Also, I took notes, so I'm just going to be reading what I want to say.
	Okay.
	I enjoy being critiqued.
	John, just before we go, did you say that YouTube had lifted the strike?
	Oh, okay, well that's good.
	So we will be on YouTube, over the weekend and so forth.
	That's good news.
	Instead of whining about my community, perhaps people like Mr.
	Buckley should have spent less time bringing the entire mass of the law to bear to tyrannize anyone who dared to defend themselves or others.
	Just saying you might get less of what you penalize.
	Crazy idea, I know.
	As for his opinions on violence, let me put it this way.
	Our gun control fools used to loudly proclaim the same dreck.
	They don't anymore.
	That's because reality bashed them over the head so many times that even though they still believe it, they know everyone will laugh them out of the room if they say it out loud.
	I don't think he's familiar with British police advice and virtue.
	I don't know what the first stuff was about.
	Maybe the chap doesn't know Nick's background.
	Yeah, Nick's a charity organiser.
	He's not a policeman or anything.
	So he doesn't have the option to just penalise people.
	But also, our police probably don't either, just because they don't want to.
	Yeah.
	In regards to the gun control thing, though, I know what he's trying to say there, because I believe Nick was talking about knives and saying that, you know, get the knives off the streets.
	And people have said there's some similarities to that, and Americans are like, oh, get guns out of the hands of the citizens.
	There's not, really, because if everyone in Britain was carrying a knife, it wouldn't actually help.
	There's a lot more stabbings, probably.
	Because it's not as easy as bad guy with a gun, let's all get him.
	Like, a good guy with a knife isn't the one who's going to stop the bad guy with a knife, because there's a huge risk to your life.
	Yeah, it's dangerous.
	Because everyone just has guns, like, it's easy, just boom, and the dude is bang, and the dirt is gone.
	I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to carry around a gun all day.
	It'd be cool.
	I mean, if we legalise proper suits of armour and swords and everything to be carried around, there's actually some incentive to try and fight the guy, but if I'm just going to be there with my kitchen knife...
	Yeah, not terribly encouraging.
	Yeah, I'm not actually going to risk my life for some guy who's being attacked, whereas if I had a knife, sorry, a gun, just go ahead.
	Or if I was armed and had a sword and a suit of armour, then fine, maybe I'll give it a go.
	Crying God for King Harry!
	Let's go to the next one.
	To stop me being an atheist was Richard Dawkins' documentary The Root of All Evil.
	In one shot, he walked through the streets of Jerusalem as kids ran by playfully, and he stared up at the buildings.
	I knew then that atheism could only strip humanity from people.
	I've been working through the books of the Horus heresy and am enjoying their framing of wokeness and degeneracy alongside the gods of chaos.
	Please do not devote any time to The Last Church.
	Despite it presaging how lack of faith would lead to the excesses of the Imperium, it is so poorly written as to completely misunderstand both faith and the Emperor.
	You ever watched The Last Church?
	I haven't.
	I do need to.
	I didn't actually enjoy it.
	You know the storyline.
	I know, yeah, The Emperor.
	Well, for folks who don't know.
	Yeah, well, don't spoil it.
	I'll watch it after the podcast.
	Okay, well, just the cliff notes so people know what it is, which is that the Emperor destroys all churches on Earth, obviously.
	It doesn't even question it, just burns them all down.
	But The Last Church on Earth, he goes in and debates with the priests for a long time.
	And so that's what The Last Church is.
	It's that debate and the consequences.
	And, yeah, I agree.
	I didn't really feel like the dialogue actually got much out of it.
	The ending's really good, though.
	I won't spoil that.
	Don't spoil it.
	But that's probably the only thing that I think had huge value in it.
	Otherwise, I haven't read the Horus Heresy series.
	Sounds like fun.
	No, I've never read it.
	I mean, it's like a million books.
	I just don't have time.
	But it's so long, and it's been going on for decades.
	I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy it.
	I probably would really enjoy it.
	But I just don't have time to commit to this.
	When you're retired, maybe.
	Yeah, and I've got models to pay me.
	LAUGHTER I love the idea, what would that be when you're 60?
	Just 20 years from now.
	You're uploading videos from your bunker.
	Show about the Horace Harrison.
	Go to the next one.
	I watched the funeral for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. It was watching the final grain of sand from the 20th century pass through the hourglass.
	I pray that grain represents merely a single woman, and not the civilization we all shared with her.
	From the United States to the United Kingdom, I say good luck.
	And God save the king.
	That's nice.
	God save the king.
	I hadn't thought of it like that, and that's worrying.
	He's right.
	There's actually a neat fact that I think it was in 2015 or something, you could still find seven kings and queens who were there during the Second World War.
	She's the last.
	And now they're all gone.
	America definitely changed after 9-11.
	I'm going to say that's a definite point.
	China's not the same.
	Yeah, the whole 20th century's dead.
	Soviet Union's gone.
	To be fair though, the 20th century was really terrible, and one of the reasons we're in this mess in the first place.
	We always do worse.
	No, I'm not sure we can.
	I think the 20th century was the worst.
	I think we could get worse.
	No, no, literally, if all of the centuries that mankind has ever had, the 20th century is probably the worst.
	Yeah, the 21st is going to be...
	No, I think it can only be better, actually.
	Because you remember when we did the book clubs?
	As long as we reject the premises of the 20th century.
	Because the 1984 book club, I mean, that was the 20th century.
	Yeah, we could end up in the Brave New World, 21st century.
	I think we did end up agreeing that that is worse.
	It is going to be worse, but it could be that we allow this to collapse and something new is built from the ashes, who knows?
	But the 20th century and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
	You love that quote, don't you?
	I do.
	And we will do a book club on it at some point.
	For the next one.
	Well, it seems as though Joe Biden's rhetoric has officially worked.
	I just heard the story of a 40-something-year-old man taking the life of an 18-year-old over political views.
	And I just have no words for it.
	It's absolutely disgusting that it has come to that.
	And I'm loathing the media's attempt at trying to paint this in a different light.
	It's genuinely stochastic terrorism.
	If the left has got any validation in that term, then this is definitely an example of it.
	Not even the first one.
	No, it's not.
	It's not even rare.
	But at least, like, with the previous one, it's like, okay, it's Antifa or something, so it's like someone who's deeply ideologically committed anyway, you know, but if this is just two guys having a dispute in public, they're not there for an organized protest or something, it's just that one's like, oh god, a Republican.
	That's, you know, that I think you could call stochastic terrorism if You know that scene from Kingsman in the church where they all just start killing each other?
	No.
	You've not seen the Kingsman?
	I have, but it was ages ago.
	I can't remember it.
	Anyway, these phones cause everyone to just start killing each other.
	It's the test run.
	They do it in a church.
	There's all these nice worshippers and they all just start murdering each other.
	Right, okay.
	That's what I'm imagining.
	Well, that's kind of true because it's basically, you know, it's social media, you know, and Joe Biden's like, Republicans are evil, you know, everyone's evil, Naga's evil.
	Yeah, the mobile phone rings.
	Yeah.
	And then everyone just kills each other over nothing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and all of the Democrats are like, yeah, you guys are evil.
	I mean, what would you expect?
	The next one.
	So have any of you guys seen that weird PSA video going around at American schools where you have fat Lizzo-American nutritionists telling the students that distinguishing between donuts and vegetables as better and worse than each other is somehow white supremacy and that all foods are equal in every way and to point out that you shouldn't just only eat dessert is wrong and oppressive?
	Interestingly, the nutritionists work for Chips Ahoy, which is not at all a conflict of interest.
	Is that a joke or no?
	I can't even tell you.
	I have no idea.
	I don't know if the headline is true.
	I was talking about AA the other night.
	He was like, I'm fascinated by Lizzo.
	Lizzo is like an amazing figure to him.
	Just a figure of profound interest.
	And I'm like, oh.
	He does seem to have, I don't know what other word to use than fetish, for occasional weird things.
	Yes.
	He just gets really into whatever the hell's going on there.
	I don't know if that Lizzo stage dive thing is real, but I could believe it if it was.
	See you on the next one.
	So while of course nobody should panic, I do think that if you live in Europe, it'll just be a good idea to have some cooking utensil that doesn't require electricity.
	So I have the big boy here for soup, rice, pasta, and I have the little one for a nice, quick cup of tea.
	And if you don't get to use this during winter, it's just good to reconnect to nature.
	Right, Freya?
	To be fair, that does look fun.
	That looks wholesome as hell.
	I want to go see that wood.
	It looks nice.
	Sophie's also right.
	If you live in Europe, it might be worth getting some wood-burning stove or something.
	Because the Germans already are.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They don't get a choice.
	Yeah, like just, you know, there's a real problem coming.
	John says, banned from YouTube?
	Badge of Honor.
	It's like, well, we're not banned.
	We had a strike and that's been lifted because it was obviously a bot had caught something inappropriately.
	Thank goodness.
	Maureen says, when your partner suggests an open relationship, you should end things.
	That's correct.
	I don't understand how someone can be okay with the idea that their partner needs other people to be fulfilled.
	To be able to go along with something like this you would either need to be a complete doormat who's afraid to lose their partner, which means you're going to lose your partner, or you simply don't care enough about them to be bothered by this.
	In those cases I would understand why someone would take the vast risk of putting an end to the relationship, but to be able to suggest seeing other people since you're not an equal partner anymore.
	Most relationships are doomed as soon as there is an imbalance.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Paul Neubauer.
	The man just avoids the sunk cost fallacy.
	Yeah, okay, this cost me five years.
	But I mean, it's going to get worse, isn't it?
	So just cutting my losses.
	I accept those are five years that are gone.
	That must have been rough for that dude, though.
	You still in GameStop?
	Yeah, I am actually.
	You're cutting your losses?
	Sunk cost fallacy?
	Well, I'm not putting any more into it.
	Yeah, but you lost.
	Well, yeah, but I may as well...
	I think you actually, didn't you make money in the end for a little while?
	For a little while, it was up...
	I put, I don't know, $600 or something into it.
	And so for a little while, it was worth like $650, and now it's worth like $300.
	So I'm not putting more money into it.
	So it's, okay, that $600 is gone.
	And I may as well just hold on to it in case it gets up to...
	Who knows?
	GameStop might be coming back, but you don't know.
	It's just fun to hold the meme stonks, to be honest.
	Baron von Wark says, So it turns out that watching a lover have sex with other people can result in relationship issues and negative self-esteem.
	Who could have seen this coming?
	I mean, it's not like polygamous cultures tend to be trapped in the third world and medieval harems tend to be dens of murder and betrayal.
	But I mean, there is that.
	I don't care about that if you're not a very progressive baron.
	But, I mean, she needs to explore this other side of herself that wants to get railed by a bunch of other guys while still in a relationship with her husband.
	Honestly, she's not very open-minded.
	I'll be honest, though.
	Osama bin Laden didn't make his relationships sound too bad.
	Osama bin Laden lived in an Islamic theocracy.
	That's what it requires to make it work.
	Well, he was trying to establish an Islamic theocracy.
	So it's not like Osama bin Laden was like, yes, we need women's liberation.
	No, but that would be cringe.
	What I'm saying is it's clearly male exploitation.
	Oh, 100%.
	It is what he's doing.
	You know, this isn't like, you know, ethical non-monogamy.
	Well, that's the thing.
	He was more ethical about it, is what I'm getting at.
	There's a funny moment where he got, I think it's his second wife, he really just never got along with her, but he wouldn't divorce her, because he was like, well, that would be wrong.
	You know, I've made her marry me, so when she says it, I'll just say, that's fine.
	And it's like, just before 9-11, she says to him, I don't want to leave, and her and her kids left.
	And they've been fine ever since.
	Oh, good.
	Good for them.
	But it's just, you know, even Osama Bin Laden seemed to have done it better than...
	Osama Bin Laden, very woman respecter.
	Better than some Redditors.
	Kevin says, there's a tidbit of wisdom among the guys.
	If your girl asks for an open relationship, she's already cheating on you.
	Yeah, that was another thing.
	I mean, I didn't know that she had her hand or anything and she hadn't suggested anything.
	So I didn't want to make accusations, but it does seem to be the case.
	That's probably true.
	And if she isn't already cheating on you, she's clearly got her eye on someone else.
	Why would she even bring that up?
	She's obviously got someone else in mind.
	So...
	The only thing I can possibly think of if it was her first sexual relationship ever...
	She didn't mention that, though.
	No.
	And they got together when she was 23 or 22 or something?
	I thought that makes sense, but I'm trying to find any possible reason as to why she would do that.
	Because she was, what, 27?
	And they'd been together five years, so she got together when they were 22.
	So it's not like she was 17 or something.
	In America.
	Exactly.
	You know, so it's, she, you know, it's just, but it was the attitude from it.
	It's like, well, I have done nothing wrong.
	It's like, you've literally like outed yourself as a whore.
	That's what he's thinking.
	Oh god, I'm in a five-year relationship with a whore.
	Okay, cut my losses.
	Charlie says, regarding open relationships, people are jealous, envious, spiteful, and possessive creatures that cannot handle an open relationship.
	There's at least too much animosity between the people.
	Well, that's correct.
	It never works, and anyone who says it does has successfully jubed themselves.
	Yeah, I don't think it works.
	I don't think it ever works.
	It's ridiculous.
	Castrophic Regression Threshold says the open relationship thing is just dumb.
	Sex actually releases hormones in the brain that are paramount in forming emotional bonds of the partner.
	And they get released whenever you sleep with anyone.
	That's why sex plays an important role in a healthy relationship.
	Really don't understand this nonsense.
	And that's why the porn stars themselves can't have healthy relationships as well.
	So it goes both ways.
	I didn't mean for these segments to synergize, but they do.
	Freewell says...
	They're both about like, oh, sex doesn't mean anything.
	Yeah, no, it does.
	Yeah, it does.
	Free Will says, people seem to be happy to be doormats, or some people do.
	They get on their knees in supplication and the vain hope that people who don't care about them will care.
	But they won't, so get off your knees.
	And that's exactly right.
	It's a total lack of relationship to the boyfriend and his boundaries.
	She knows he's a traditionalist.
	She knows he's monogamous.
	And it's like, I would love, right, on a Friday night, oh...
	Brilliant.
	Long, successful week of work.
	We crushed it.
	Number's good.
	You know, everything's going great.
	Everyone's enjoying the content.
	Right, let's go and get blitzed.
	Let's go out and just have the most big, fat meal, and then just tank it until three in the morning, and then I'll get home just steaming drunk, crash around the house, and pass out on the sofa, right?
	And I don't do that because my wife would be effing furious, right?
	She'd be insanely angry.
	What were you doing?
	You know, she'd be like, you know that me and the kids are asleep and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
	You've got all these obligations and responsibilities.
	And I'd be like, yeah, so I'm not going to go out and get steaming drunk, darling, and come home and piss all over the living room, right?
	Because of my obligation to you, right?
	And this woman just does not like, so, you know, I'm not going to respect this requirement from my boyfriend.
	That's the thing.
	So total, why can't I just have it all?
	Why can't he just have no boundaries?
	Why can't he just not expect anything of me?
	That's the attitude.
	I can't take it.
	It really annoys me.
	The description just makes me think of Sky News because they got caught doing that.
	Oh yeah.
	During the pandemic.
	Yeah.
	That's actually how they live their lives.
	Yeah.
	But I don't do that.
	Because I'm trying to be anyway.
	There are some really long comments and we don't have that much time, so I'll just go on.
	Ron says, Do no harm.
	Gone completely out of the window at that hospital, then.
	These humanoids make my skin crawl.
	Thanks, Obama.
	We literally funded it.
	Charles says, Staggering.
	That woman bragging about how profitable the child mutilation abuse business is.
	We can rightly condemn this while British politicians stand silent over the tens of thousands of child rape cases.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, we condemn that too, don't we?
	There is something truly poisonous to ideologues who put fancy political theories and holy-than-thou attitudes before common respect for humanity.
	Ideology is the enemy.
	It is 100% intolerant of disagreement as humans are bound to disagree from time to time.
	It makes them 100% intolerant of humanity.
	Yeah, I really have come to that conclusion myself.
	It's just like...
	Anyone, anyone's got like, the problem with an ideology is it's always a very thin slice of truth, right?
	Like when someone's like, I'm a utilitarian, what does that mean?
	I'm a consequentialist.
	It's like, what, you think only consequences matter?
	No one thinks that.
	No one thinks that.
	How you got to the consequences also matters.
	And your intent at the start also matters.
	I've been thinking about writing like a short story of like some evil villain who's like, right, I'm going to murder everyone on earth.
	But actually ends up rewarding everyone on Earth with like £100 or something.
	He's just like, curses.
	I'm just an incompetent villain.
	You know, it's like, this guy is still evil.
	You know, even though he's intending to do all of this evil stuff, even if he's incompetent and actually ends up doing the exact opposite and benefiting everyone around him, he's still evil.
	You know, being a consequentialist is not enough and you know that's not enough.
	You know, so to take like, you know, and oh, you can become a Kantian.
	It's like, well, no, just having good intentions with enough.
	It's like, yeah, but how many millions have to die?
	It's like, it doesn't matter.
	I've got good intentions.
	No, that's obviously not correct.
	You know, so all of these ideologies, they're all nonsense.
	And I'll probably end up, like, creating a sort of comprehensive view of these things.
	I don't know.
	But it's just nonsense.
	I can't stand it.
	Do you remember when we did the Robert Conquest book club and what the swastika and the Nazi on the front?
	I can't remember what it is.
	Reflections on a Ravish Century.
	It did amaze me when we were reading through that.
	He mentioned that the early utopians honestly thought they would replace the seas with lemonade.
	What, did they?
	I thought he was joking.
	Yeah, really.
	Some people were making up on utopian thought at the time, like socialist utopias.
	They were like, yeah, we can literally just desalinate the seas into lemonade and we can drink the seawater.
	I was like, you are actually retarded.
	Why is anyone listening to these people?
	But they were serious.
	That's the thing.
	It's just like, this entire movement, like, the entire philosophy on every basis is just dumb.
	But this is the problem with any kind of ideology, where you take, like, you know, take, like, a series of, like, ten data points and say, well, these are things that are true, and therefore we're going to build our entire view of reality on those.
	It's like, yeah, but there are also loads of other data points that you're ignoring.
	What happens when it rains and the lemonade is no longer clear?
	Yeah.
	What happens when I go and then pee in the lemonade?
	Fish piss in it.
	What the hell's wrong with you?
	Let me exterminate all life in the sea that can't survive lemonade.
	I'm sure nothing bad comes with that.
	Omar says, Do you think part of the reason that Matt Florida Man Walsh is so effective might be due to his deadpan delivery?
	The contrast between his calm attitude and trans activists must make them look all the more insane.
	He's the child-asking-why of demolished arguments, and all he's doing is journalism.
	Yeah, I do think his deadpan delivery.
	And his lack of, like, deep interrogation as well is actually in his favor.
	Because he just normally says, well, why'd you do it?
	And, like, they just look ridiculous.
	And he doesn't have to say anything.
	He doesn't have to explain their position.
	They just look ridiculous.
	So, yeah, I do think that is part of it.
	And he's asking the right questions as well.
	S.H. Silver, coldly explaining the profit motive of hacking off bits of humans for their mental delusions is the most evil thing I've ever seen.
	Christ alive, it's actually getting me to want state intervention.
	It's pretty terrible.
	Yeah, we do that for everything else.
	I was having a debate with someone yesterday, actually, about whether or not a rapist in the West will get about seven years prison time as a sentence.
	In most of the other worlds, most of the right-wingers in the West think we should kill them or castrate them or something like that as well.
	But people who mutilate children There is no crime for that, as long as you're doing it through this means.
	Which is actually worse?
	Is someone being raped worse than chemically castrating a child for their entire life, or even physically castrating them for their entire life?
	I'm not going to make a statement about it, because it'll be clipped out of context, and I'll never hear the end of it.
	But they're both terrible, and neither of them should be happening.
	That's what's the correct answer on that.
	So, it is just evil.
	It is genuine evil.
	Don't get me wrong, if you're an adult and you're going to pay to do it, you want to do it, okay, fine, I don't agree with you, but at least you were an adult when you got to make the decision about your life.
	Imagine having such life-changing decisions made when you were 14.
	God, my decision-making capacity was terrible when I was 14.
	I think some of the girls I dated.
	Some of the stupid stuff I did.
	I thought I could jump off the top of a bloody garage at one point.
	I sprained my ankle.
	Stupid.
	Well, you could jump off it.
	I mean, successfully.
	I'd just do a forward roll like an action hero and it'd be fine.
	No, I sprained my ankle because that was stupid.
	Some 14-year-olds cut off their dicks.
	Thankfully, that wasn't around.
	That wasn't a thing when I was 14.
	Yeah.
	Do you remember that story you found?
	It was a girl.
	She was found with...
	Sorry, a boy was found with scissors.
	Went upstairs.
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