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Sept. 21, 2022 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #485
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Hi folks, welcome to the podcast of Lotus Seaters for Wednesday, the 21st of September, 2022.
I'm joined by Zuby.
Thanks for coming in again, man.
Happy to be here again, Carl.
Excellent.
And today we're going to be talking about how real diversity has never been tried, how the Democrats seem to want to actually kill MAGA, quite literally, which is disturbing, and what Zuby has learned on his travels.
Because you are everywhere, really, aren't you?
Yeah, I've been all over, man.
Since May last year, I've essentially been homeless.
Since the lockdown stopped, right?
Yeah, I've been practicing what I've now coined as luxury homelessness, where I don't technically have a base.
So you're a rootless cosmopolitan?
Rootless cosmopolitan, yeah.
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe I shouldn't have had that.
To be honest, I think I've always been one of those, even when I had a home base.
Well, to be honest with you, I kind of am as well.
It's the sort of era we grew up in, right?
The late 90s, early 2000s.
My dad was in the RAF, so we moved around somewhere everywhere.
So I've always been kind of that way as well.
But it's not great, right?
You've got to respect the places that have the roots, right?
Yeah, absolutely, man.
I mean, I think I'm big on just respecting...
When in Rome do as the Romans do is the old cliche.
Of course, I was born in the UK. My family is from Nigeria originally.
I grew up in Saudi Arabia.
I spend a lot of time in the States now, but I think I've been to about 37, 38 different countries at this point.
And you simply respect the culture of where you are, right?
If you're in Saudi Arabia, you don't run around eating bacon sandwiches and drinking booze on the street because they're not going to be, while wearing a bikini, they're not going to be fans of that.
And have you, with this approach to the places you go, have you ever had a bad reception?
No.
I've had a great reception in every single country I've gone to.
What a surprise!
Yeah, I've had a couple negative experiences here and there because people are people and you get bad people everywhere.
But generally speaking, you know, one thing you learn from traveling, I think, is that Most human beings are decent and whilst there are national and cultural and religious and traditional differences from country to country and place to place, most people generally want the same things.
The average man, the average woman kind of wants pretty similar things.
Most people, you know, they want to be safe and secure.
They want to be able to earn enough money and put food on their table for themselves.
They don't want their children to go hungry.
Most people do want to have children.
And they want to have families and they want to experience, you know, number one survival.
That's the first thing.
But once survival is taken care of, people want a level of dignity and respect and safety and so on.
It's not so complex.
Well, speaking of diversity, it turns out that in Britain, real diversity has never been tried.
So you may have, previously, viewers may have seen Callum covering the, I mean, you can't call it a race war in Leicester because racially these people are exactly the same.
It is some kind of ethnic slash religious conflict that's going on between Hindus and Muslims in Britain in 2022.
Yeah.
The way things are going now.
And it's just awful.
And so we're going to have to talk about it.
But before we do, if you want to support us, go to thelotuses.com, sign up, and go and watch the latest book club, which is Louise Perry's The Case Against the Sexual Revolution, where Connor and Harry are going through this with a critical eye, but...
They came away with very positive things.
Have you read this or have you heard of it?
No, I haven't read it.
I saw her interview on Trigonometry and we follow each other online.
I thought it was actually a really good interview.
Something that I find funny is how if a woman is a feminist, if a woman goes into the world of feminism and is logical and rational, We're good to
They reach the same conclusions in a very, very roundabout and conclusive and sometimes destructive way.
But they end up at the same point that like pretty standard hardcore – pretty straight down the line conservatives reach whether it's on pornography and sex work or – Bridget's, I wish I hadn't been a slut.
Families.
I thought it was quite powerful, actually.
It was like, look, you know, this is the sort of thing that young women need to know.
You can't take this back.
Yeah.
You know, once you go down this road, it's never coming back.
Yeah.
Well, you know, this is one of the interesting things with the...
I think we're good to go.
When something has been – there are exceptions to this, but if something, an institution – take an obvious example, marriage, right?
This is something that's existed across all these countries and cultures and nations have risen, all these – and for thousands and thousands of years it's been there.
And you come up and you think you're the first person who's thought of, you know what, maybe we can just do away with this institution and we can come up with some new thing.
And then it all starts blowing up in people's faces in various ways and they're like, oh, okay, maybe – There's profound regret that can't be undone.
That's the problem with it, you know?
And speaking of tradition, actually, I was going to start this with, I'm sure you were aware of Her Majesty the Queen's funeral.
I just, I have to say, I mean, look at that.
That is just, isn't that just glorious, right?
Like, I didn't even realize this stuff still existed.
You know, it's just great to see.
And we'll come back to the old traditions of Britain in a minute, because we have new traditions now.
As I said on my Facebook page, look, this is like the majoritarian society of Britain.
This is like regular British people you don't see represented in the media anymore.
You don't see this on TV. And as I said, tomorrow we're going to have to talk about minorities again.
And of course, the very next day, Callum and Harry had to cover the riots that had happened on the same day of the Queen's funeral, which was in Leicester, the diversity versus the diversity.
Because of course...
Saying, well, they're brown, aren't they?
They're minorities, aren't they?
That's not good enough.
Like, weirdly.
I mean, anyone and their mother could have told you this, but apparently we need to learn this the hard way.
So, yeah, essentially there's some sort of religious war going on in many towns and cities across the country now.
David Atherton posted this on Twitter video, just how outside, again, in Leicester, gangs of Pakistani Muslims are...
Going around armed now, looking for Hindus on the streets.
It's great.
Brilliant.
Yeah, it's not what we want right now.
No, it's not ideal, is it?
No.
And so we go to the ex-Labor MP for Leicester East, who decided that this was right-wing fascism.
This is what happens when you start with the conclusion and work your way backwards.
This weekend we have seen unacceptable hate-driven violence.
Ours is a community of deep faith.
Our unique cultural diversity is our strength.
Right-wing fascism and toxic extremism has no place in civil society.
Our communities in Leicester stand united against it.
The Muslims and the Hindus.
Do you know what I love about these tweets is that you could very easily write an AI that comes up with...
When you see a lot of them progressive tweets, whether from the UK or the US, I'm like, you could just have a bot that just spits out...
It's like Biden's tweets.
You could just have a bot that just knows the lingo.
I mean, Claudia Webb essentially is a bot.
She was a Labour MP for a while.
She's mental.
But, I mean, I don't agree that freshers are the right wing, and I don't agree that the right wing have anything to do with Hindus and Muslims fighting in the streets of Leicester.
They just have these canned phrases that they use, though.
Diversity is our strength.
They never explain it.
No.
Because the diversity is currently engaging in a civil war, I mean.
Trudeau does the same, right?
They just say these things, you know, or when they say, you know, we stand against X, you know, toxic extremism has no place.
They're just bots.
They're NPCs.
Yeah, they are.
Claudia Webb's constituency, I think she is actually still the MP for it, but she got kicked out of the Labour Party for threatening to acid attack a woman.
Good.
Yeah, she got convicted of that.
And so she's still the MP, but not within the Labour Party, because she literally made several calls threatening a woman to acid attack her in the face.
They're so often nasty people.
They are.
There are certain types of people who think that you see this more on the left than you do on the right, because they think that...
If they have the so-called correct politics, they have the politically correct opinions on the various issues, then you can do and say whatever and treat people however, especially if they're on the so-called other side, and it's totally fine.
Well, this wasn't even a person on the other side.
This was a woman who she thought was involved with her husband or something.
So she phoned her up and was like, I'll throw acid in your face, bitch.
It's like, okay, crusader for social justice.
But also, if you want to know anything about Leicester, it's a place with the largest number of slaves in all of England.
In Leicester?
Yes.
10,000 slaves a few years ago were found in modern textile factories under Claudia Webb's auspices.
So she's pretty awful, actually.
She says the right things on Twitter, though.
Exactly.
She says the right things on Twitter.
But, you know, I don't say that flippantly, though, because this is really where we are in a lot of Western society, where everything's just about emotions and feelings and platitudes and words, not actions, not what's really going on.
It's very, very shallow.
Oh yeah, it's totally shallow.
It covers up, it conceals this kind of genuine evil that's going on.
Like, this is crazy.
It does.
And I'll tell you what's even deeper about it is, it seems to me, it seems clear that people, individuals and societies, we can only be focused on a very small number of things at once.
So when people are constantly distracted by all this sort of random nonsense, something like this...
I mean, it's known that there are more slaves...
There's more slaves now in the world than there are at any other time in history.
Stuff like this, stuff like human trafficking, stuff like, you know, rapes and murders and general violent crime and so on.
Things that everyone agrees on and would like to cut down.
It all gets pushed to the side.
Oh, yeah.
Because...
They'd rather talk about nonsense.
We've got the current thing, right?
Yes.
His current thingism.
Like, this should have been a massive story.
Yeah, no one knows this.
Exactly.
No one knows this.
No one knows this.
And this should be internationally known.
In England, in one city, there are 10,000 slaves.
Yes.
But if you told me, like, five years ago, I'm like, no, there's not.
That'd be ridiculous.
But of course, who is it?
You know, this is a very diverse area.
And so the diversity is enslaving the diversity.
And there's no English people involved.
You know, there's a diverse MP. You know, there's no English people involved in any of this.
And it's like, well, that maybe is actually to their detriment.
You know, I don't think English people would have been accepting 10,000 slaves.
No, the thing is, people need to, you know, the first point to caring about something is knowing about it.
I didn't know this.
I know that modern slavery is an issue.
Someone else.
Yeah, and I've had people on my podcast talking about the extent of it and human trafficking and so on and some of the numbers they've had a guest on not long ago actually from the US who works on this in California and he was saying some of the numbers in human trafficking, sex trafficking, there are They're mind-blowing.
I dread to think on the American border generally, not just California, but the whole thing must be awful.
Yeah.
And I'm just like, this is not even...
I was like, I think I'm pretty with stuff, and this is not on my radar at all.
So it's certainly not on most people's.
This was only in 2020 as well.
This was discovered.
So it's not like an old ancient history.
Has there been a follow-up on this?
Yeah, it was broken up, I believe.
The problem is, on the ground, you'll get a report, oh yeah, we've shut down this factory.
But did they open up a new factory?
Where have these people gone?
Did you arrest people?
Exactly.
Who's arrested?
Who went to jail?
And as far as I'm aware, nothing like that has actually happened.
But anyway, so going back to the problem, it seems that Muslim groups have been radicalized on social media because several of the people have been arrested, have been sentenced because of what they've done.
Leicester's police temporary chief constable, Rob Nixon, told the BBC that social media played a huge role in fanning the flames, as in fake news has been going around.
There are significant things on there which are false, he said, citing assaults of people and attacks on religious establishments as examples.
My plea is that, please, if people are seeing information on social media, if they can't validate it, please don't circulate it.
Well, I mean, good luck with that.
You know, like, you know, fake news is definitely a problem.
And especially when it's a Hindu mob has burned down this Muslim temple, or in like Pakistan, oh, this Christian girl burned a Quran, and then they just kill them.
It's like, that wasn't real, and now someone's dead.
Yeah.
And so they began protesting.
Now the initial protest apparently happened after a conflict at a cricket game, but that's not really what this is about, is it?
Otherwise you wouldn't get Muslims in Birmingham, not Leicester, notably, turning up at a Hindu temple, screaming Allah Akbar and trying to get through the gates.
Why?
Do you know what a lot of this is, though, is even moving away from where some of the focus of this is on the ethnicities and the religions and so on.
When I see this, I just see angry young men who are probably lacking purpose and meaning.
And guidance and stuff to do.
I mean, it's not women.
It's not old men.
It's just young men.
I mean, you can see images like this in different places of different demographics of young men doing this, whether they are, you know, it might be over something different.
You know, you can see white football hooligans.
All they need is an excuse.
Yeah, you know, angry young black guys who are involved in it.
Yeah, this is just – I think there's much deeper things going on here in society where when it comes to young men, I feel the exact same way in the US. A huge conversation, of course, is school shootings and mass – and I'm like, this is all young men.
It's all young men doing this.
Typically between 15 and 25, all the gang killings, all this stuff.
Like that age demographic and it's men, it's not women – You know, there's...
And I think that...
They're not invested in society, right?
No, they're not.
And I think this conversation is really overdue.
I think for such...
For our whole lives, there's been the whole feminist imperative.
There's been that whole push.
The feminization of society, the feminization of schools, the education system.
The very nature of a man being physically capable is offensive.
It's wrong.
Yeah.
But then it manifests in these type of ways because men are always going to – when I see this, I'm seeing young men essentially jostling for some type of social status or respect or – An adventure as well.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So I'm like, man, people like this, I don't know the exact answer but like they need something to do.
Like this is – Anyone knows.
You have sons, right?
And we've been young boys.
Yes, there's an energy.
There's a masculine energy.
We have something called testosterone, which is a powerful thing.
This is how I feel about the migrants who are getting on the boats and sailing across.
It's like, look, they're adventurers.
It's an adventure.
Exactly.
500 years ago, they would have joined an army and gone and attacked a city or something.
Risk-taking.
Risk-taking.
Exactly.
It's the same people, just in a different century, and we're not capable of dealing with it.
But anyway, let's carry on.
They're lovely people.
There's just young men who want to fight something.
Yeah, exactly.
It doesn't even matter, really.
But anyway, this carried on from Leicester to Birmingham to Smethwick.
I don't even know what that is.
Smethwick.
Somewhere in Birmingham.
Oh, this is the same one.
Right, okay.
It's a place in Birmingham.
Right, okay.
But yeah, not good.
And this was on the heels of, of course, hundreds of Hindus and Muslims having armed clashes in the streets.
And so the governments of India and Pakistan have demanded intervention.
Okay, if you can go to the next one, it's the Telegraph article.
The governments of India and Pakistan are sending us letters saying, excuse me, we demand immediate action by British authorities to tackle ongoing disorder between Hindus and Muslims in Leicester.
This is like the partition of India all over again.
This is just like, excuse me, the British government should be preventing us from fighting each other.
25 police have been injured, 47 people have been arrested.
And so I'm just like, okay, going back to the guys from the Royal Parade, they were busy on Monday, but what are they doing today?
Go get the next one again.
So, what are these guys doing today?
So, we're busy on Monday, right?
But I happen to notice that they, you know, one cavalry charge.
That's all I'm saying.
Put an end to this whole thing.
Yeah.
Obviously, I'm joking, but like, you know, like, there's something about this that the commands respect that, right?
It's like the power, the majesty.
Like, Yeah.
Like be impressive, be in their faces, you know, and that will actually put them in their place.
You know, they'll realize where they are in the hierarchy.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, sadly, you know, when people are like that or in that phase, sometimes that's the only thing that they understand and respect.
They respect the show of power and force.
Yeah.
And the reason I use this as the example, because this obviously captures sort of British imperial majesty that seems to have disappeared.
And you get lots of commentators who are saying, well, look, this is essentially nothing to do with the British, what's going on in Leicester at the moment.
Can you get the next one?
You see, this chap, Dr.
Rikib Hassan, he says, It's time to challenge uncritical views of diversity.
The reality is that some of the most severe social tensions in Britain do not involve the white British mainstream at all.
That's right.
It seems to be nothing to do with the British, in fact.
It seems to be an ethnic, Indian, or religious Indian and Pakistani thing.
Because, as you can see from the ethnic breakdown of Leicester, for example...
Gujarati, which is an Indian regional language on the border of Pakistan, is 16% of the dialect spoken by residents in Leicester, whereas Punjabi is 3% and Urdu is 2%.
So you see, right, there is a remarkable representation of this one western, northwestern area of India, which, because it's so close to Pakistan, has a history of religious conflict with the Pakistanis.
And in fact, in 2019, the Hindu nationalists in Gujarat won an overwhelming victory.
It was a massive landslide win for the Hindu nationalists.
And of course, this has a knock-on effect.
So they've got particular chants that they walk through the streets chanting, which are Gujarat Hindu nationalist chants.
And there was a video going around of this Muslim couple in a car being like, what are they allowed to do that?
And the woman's like, yeah, you know how we chant Law Agbar?
Well, they chant that.
And it's just like, yeah, exactly.
You know, what are you doing?
Do you know one of the...
Do you know something that's major here in the West is that...
Again, like with many things, the understanding of diversity is extremely shallow.
Oh, yeah.
Even if you're talking about within the realm of racial and ethnic diversity, because they literally, especially the lefties, the people who pursue this, they think all black people are the same.
They think all brown people are the same.
They don't know anything about the world.
They don't know anything.
So they literally use this term, black and brown people.
Yeah.
As if those people all get on fine around the world and there's no...
My family's originally from Nigeria.
Just within Nigeria, and a lot of people might not know this, Nigeria has over 1,000 languages and over 400 different tribes.
How many white people?
A small number.
A very small number.
Yes, probably less than 0.1% of the population.
So nothing to write home about, they're not obsessing over white people in Nigeria?
No, no.
But my point is that these, so this is within one country in Africa, and you have hundreds and hundreds of different groups.
I essentially imagine all of Europe just being a country.
That's kind of what Nigeria is like.
If it's just, okay, well, these people are, you've just kind of drawn on the map, okay, this is, we're going to just call this a country.
And there are clashes and conflicts between the various groups.
The northern part of Nigeria is primarily Muslim.
The southern part is primarily Christian.
You've got all these ethnic groups.
You have the same thing, of course.
I mean, you want, look at what happened in Rwanda in 1994 if you want to see an extreme example of this between the Hutu and the Tutsi.
But from the Western perspective, it's just like, oh, they're brown.
Yeah.
They must have a problem with white people.
Yeah, so they're not going to have any awareness of, okay, well, these people are Gujarati.
These people are from here.
These people are from this region, this region.
This is how these all interact, even in their own home nation.
It's just like, oh, that's all.
And we can see exactly that throughout the course of this podcast, right?
So you've got Claudia Webb being like, oh, it's the white supremacist fascism, right?
That's causing the Hindus and the Muslims to be in conflict.
And then you've got the governments of India and Pakistan essentially demanding that the Queen's Royal Guard go in and separate them from fighting, right?
And so it's just like the American frame of the browns are against the whites is just not true.
It's not true at all.
No, but that's how they've been trained.
They can't see the world outside that very narrow lens.
Exactly.
And so you've got this bishop here.
Let's play this clip because the framing on this is just...
Mind-boggling me wrong.
Lots of people are massively concerned about this, saying that actually, you know, it's all very well and good having high levels of immigration, and it's all very well and good having, you know, diversity champions, etc., but it's not necessarily going that well.
When we use tick boxes, it won't go well.
Diversity is something that must be embraced.
I mean, I'm Jamaican Indian, and there are many people in Jamaica from various backgrounds, but they see themselves as Jamaicans.
They don't wear any other labels.
The thing about it is here, number one, we've been burying our head in the sand for far too long to say that we've got a race problem.
And now we've got interracial issues as well.
We haven't got the traditional race issues anymore between black and white or black and brown skinned people.
We've got that within the actual minority communities now as well.
And that's simply because we've never embraced our diversity and we've never really wanted to understand the cultural differences.
And remember, we have a load of characteristics in common, but we never seem to share that.
We always share the divisiveness that exists between us.
What has he actually told us there?
We've never embraced our diversity.
Well, no, of course Hindus and Muslims have never embraced their diversity.
They hate each other.
Like, you know, as he says, it's nothing to do with the white English population because, of course, they're nowhere near it.
They've got nothing to do with any of this.
Yeah.
So everyone's totally blindsided by this inevitable problem that people on the far right have been warning, well, these guys don't get on.
Like I said, that's the only framing that they know.
It's a one-trick pony thing, right?
They've just decided everything is white supremacy and far-right extremism, and so they cannot approach any topic without reaching that conclusion, because that would actually mean thinking.
But that's the thing, isn't it?
Like, they don't know how to frame it outside of, well, you guys must be against the whites.
It's like, no, the Indian and Pakistani governments are demanding white supremacy.
Well, you know, some people can't get this.
And there's a lot of problems with the progressive worldview.
The biggest thing is that it's just detached from reality.
But, you know, they have this idea.
Because...
The modern progressives, because they have this animus against white people in general, animus against conservatives, certain animus against white people.
As a result, they treat minorities with kid gloves.
They themselves will say only white people even can be racist.
I call them left-wing white supremacists.
And so they can't understand that you can have these conflicts within.
And in fact, on a global scale, conflicts between non-white people surpass conflicts between non-white people and white people.
Like the intra-conflict compared to that racial direct...
It's not even close.
It's like a million to one.
But they can't get out of this little box of like black and white, literally black and white.
It's white people.
They literally describe the population as white people and people of color.
Racialized people.
Binary, right?
On a global scale, what percentage are white people?
10%?
Something like that, yeah.
There's a billion white people in total.
And of course they're not on the same team.
There's Russians.
Maybe 12-15% around the globe.
And so they're so obsessed with this thing because they've got such a Western framing and it's ironic because they're the ones who will be You know, complaining about other people using Western framings for things.
And it's like your whole worldview is based on an extremely, extremely narrow part of the world.
You're just looking at Western Europe, UK, Canada, Australia, US. You think that's the whole world.
And the non-whites can't be allowed to have agency.
You know, that's the thing.
And the Indians and the Pakistani government are like, British government, you've got to do this.
Like, that's their agency.
They're not like, oh, we're subservient to the whites.
They're like, Wait, stop them fighting.
Yeah, we don't want this.
Yeah, exactly.
We would do that.
You've got to do that.
And we're like, yeah, but we don't want to be called racist.
And it's just like, how pathetic is that?
Anyway, so you get just other comments I saw about this.
Just, you know, people like, diversity has destroyed England.
Endless cultural conflict.
London, Leicester, Bradford, an example of that.
I wasn't born in the United Kingdom.
I was born in a different country and came here as a child.
Always respect British values, laws, and cultures.
That's what immigration should be about.
Respect other cultures if you want your culture to be respected.
That's what I said at the beginning.
Exactly.
It's exactly what you said at the beginning.
Because that's exactly how this can actually work.
And if you don't do that, you end up with these ethnic colonies that end up going to war with ethnic colonies because of conflicts back in the old country.
And it's like, oh, God.
Yeah, it's interesting, you know, this concept of multiculturalism and diversity.
Because these words are just thrown around all the time.
And they're not thought about in much detail.
I mean, oftentimes someone will even ask me something like, you know, does multiculturalism work?
Well...
I'm not even trying to do a Jordan Peterson, but what do you mean?
What do you mean?
Do you mean...
Can immigrants from different countries and different racial, ethnic, and national backgrounds come to a nation like the UK or the USA and all happily and peacefully coexist and respect each other and so on?
Yes, but in order to do so, there have to be some compromises in the cultural aspects, right?
There is a clash between British culture and classically Western liberal values, say, and very hardline conservative Islamic values.
These things are – they're oil and water.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's got to be the native culture, right?
It's unfair to expect the native culture to bend the knees.
Dude, I agree completely.
I grew up in one of the most controversial countries that exist.
I grew up in Saudi Arabia.
I lived in Saudi Arabia for 20 years, okay?
In Saudi Arabia, they opened up tourist visas in 2018.
If someone wants to go and visit, go and visit, right?
If you go there, you will be fine.
First of all, you'll be fine.
Just be respectful.
Just be respectful of their color.
You don't even have to cover up.
You don't have to wear a burqa or If it's Ramadan, don't be walking around out in public eating a cheeseburger and drinking a soft drink.
You're going to offend people because they're all fasting.
You won't be able to do your boozing.
They don't want pork over there, so don't bring in pornography.
Don't do pretty basic things.
Just be respectful and they will be super hospitable.
You'll be treated better than you're treated in your home country.
Just respect it.
But similarly, to me, I'm like, it's tit for tat.
If you're going to come over to the UK or you're going to go to the USA or whatever...
You're going to join a key.
Yeah.
Embrace the elements of...
It doesn't mean you completely lose your heritage at all.
My parents are very Nigerian and very British.
Lots of people like that.
You meet Jamaicans, Indians, Pakistanis, whatever, who are...
I know some people here who are, like, some of the most British people I know are not right.
They're from, like, Jamaica or they're from India or whatever, but they're, like, ultra-British in terms of culture.
Yeah, my grandfather was the same.
He came from St.
Helena.
And he loved English conservatism, basically.
The strict standards.
He was very strict.
And you get this with a lot of Nigerian parents.
It's just very strict.
And they respected the fact that we used to be very strict.
And it's like, yeah, we should go back to that.
They're not progressive.
No, they're not!
That's another thing that's very weird with it all, is that most people from these backgrounds are actually far more...
Socially conservative.
You can't afford to be progressive in a lot of these countries.
Yeah, so it's kind of strange.
I think maybe that's a trick that the conservatives, both here and in the States, are kind of missing in terms of building some bridges.
I think that oftentimes it's framed as this adversarial relationship.
Whereas I think, I'm like, you guys know that, I mean, if you look at the stuff that's Say people who are...
Sorry, I'm just having visions.
The Conservative Party and the Labour Party, they get their representatives and the Labour are like, you're homophobic.
It's like, well, we bring in our Nigerian grandfather and he's now going to be our representative against you.
Good luck, Labour Party member.
Yeah, bring in the Caribbeans and the Africans.
Yeah, exactly.
You're like, okay, well now we're going to talk about homosexuality and they're going to do it.
Honestly, that's why it's kind of interesting because...
British and American social conservatives actually have a lot in common with those groups and demographics in many ways.
I think that's massively overlooked because people get hung up on the race and ethnicity and so-called diversity and so on.
I'm like, it's kind of strange to me that you're letting the crazy progressives kind of Own and control that demographic in a way.
Yeah, command the conversation.
Because, yeah, they're commanding the conversation and it's like, you could probably make some...
Even if it's just down to politics and it's like, you know, you're trying to get people to vote for you.
The policing thing in America was insane because the Democrats are like, we're going to defund the police.
And every single poll, if you go into the black community, it's like, do you want more or less police?
They're like, we want more police.
And it's just like, okay, Republicans, why are you letting them drop this board?
It was mad.
Anyway, speaking of America, let's move on from this segment.
We'll go to the next one.
Because, honestly, I'm genuinely getting concerned about the extremism of the rhetoric that's coming from the Democrats in America.
They seem to genuinely want to kill the MAGA movement, and I mean like literally stamp it out, which is concerning to me because I think there is, as Joe Biden said, a kind of war for America's soul.
There's the sort of Lockean American republicanism, which is very limited, you know, limited government, free speech, rights of man, right to own property and be armed and be left alone by the government.
And that very, you know, as an Englishman, I'm like, okay, yeah, that sounds great.
And then you've got the sort of very much, the Democrats have adopted kind of the French revolutionary perspective where actually the state owns everything and actually the capital is a sacred building.
That's the most revealing part because like any traditional American would say, the capital is nothing.
It's a building.
We made it.
We pay for it.
It's ours because the people come together.
They institute the government.
If they don't like it, they can just tear it all down and cast it to the wind and create a new one.
But the French view of liberalism is that the government is actually a sacred instrument.
It's actually verging on fascism, which is rather concerning.
And I think that we're seeing this coming to the fore now.
But anyway, before we start, if you want to support us, go to lozies.com, sign up and watch this latest Contemplations, which is great.
What do the elite actually want?
Now, I'm not going to spoil it, but control is definitely one of the most important things.
So, anyway, let's begin with Biden's red speech.
I take it you watched this speech.
I didn't actually listen to the whole thing.
No?
No.
If you can scroll down just so you can get the blood red imagery up.
Definitely sign the images.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's just wild.
There's soldiers in the background with just the blood red.
Like, what are you doing?
Like, who's his coordinator?
And then, you know, he says literally, MAGA Republicans embrace anger.
They thrive on chaos.
They live not in the light of truth, but in the shadow of lies.
It's like, Joe, these are your countrymen?
Yeah, the great, you know, the unifying president is complaining that Trump was divisive.
Exactly.
It's wild.
Yeah, it's been a long time since the USA had a president who I think even really tried to unite people.
But it's been a long time since I've had one that talks like this about their opponents as well.
Yeah, but I think for over a decade now, they've been at each other's throats to the point of not just – I think it's one thing when you – having disagreements, but when you start emphatically labeling the other side as an existential threat.
Because what do you do with an existential threat?
Well, you have to destroy it.
Yeah, you have to destroy it, right?
So when people start playing with that and then gaslighting as if that's what the other side's doing it, I'm just kind of like, you guys need to lower the temperature and step away a little.
What's interesting about the US though?
Is that day-to-day life?
People are still normal.
I've had a lot of people like, oh, what's it like out there?
It's looking crazy and whatever.
Bro, it's fine.
Like, you know?
Just like an American could be watching these scenes from Leicester and everything.
And they'd be like, they might text me as you'd be like, are you okay over there?
Like, I'm seeing these scenes from the UK. I'm fine, man.
I'm sorry, bye.
Like, I'm just walking around and everyone's cool.
You know, the States is still like that.
Yes, there is some madness here and there in pockets, but...
But I just want to warn, though, like, things are calm until they're not.
I know that.
That's the thing, you know?
For sure.
So it's one of those things where it's like, this sort of level of temperature raising, I mean, this is just open demonization of the political opponent.
And that's so, honestly, it's so wrong.
I just can't go over it.
And then you've got the sort of media reaction.
This is like the Sacramento Bee being like, Biden rightly targeted MAGA fanatics, but he sounded divisive doing it.
It's like, yeah, but that's because he essentially said they have to be killed.
MAGA fanatics.
You're calling them insane extremists?
He called them extremists.
What even is a MAGA fanatic?
I mean, they just come up with these terms, MAGA Republicans.
It's like, what's this?
People who are pro-life and believe in God and individual liberty and might like the American flag a bit more than is normal.
Yeah.
Like their Second Amendment and their First Amendment.
Like the American Republic?
Yeah, I was like, isn't that just an American?
Yeah, exactly.
That's the country they grew up in.
These are now MAGA fanatics, which shows you how far the left has gone.
But anyway, the thing is, if it was just rhetoric, okay, maybe that would be fine, you know.
But it's not.
It's actual action as well.
For example, the Justice Department going after basically all of Trump's friends.
Now, this is Banana Republic-level stuff.
Like, this is persecuting the previous administration.
It used to be a tacit agreement that you didn't persecute the previous administration because, of course, if you...
Get out of office.
You're going to be persecuted, but also you're destabilizing the structure of the Republic itself.
This is wrong.
Even if you think the guy did something wrong, like this is going way too far.
40 subpoenas in a week.
Seizing the phones of two top advisors.
All of his aides, basically, have been subpoenas.
It's like, what are you lunatics doing?
And what it is, I think, at the core of it, is they're afraid that Donald Trump is going to run in 2024, and he's going to smash them.
Because Joe Biden hasn't exactly done a good job.
I mean, everyone remembers how much money they were earning under Trump.
I mean, there was a segment on Tim Pool that I thought was great, where you could see that over time, Tim Pool has become very hardcore Trump.
I love it, right?
Because he is...
In his soul, he's a moderate.
But, like...
It's clear that the Democrats are not governing well.
Trump did govern well, and so he's got no choice but to lean into it.
So we're like, well, look, everything was going great under Trump.
Why would I object to this?
And everyone can remember, it was only a couple of years ago that everything was brilliant.
Biden gets in, everything tanks us.
Okay, look, it's not even a question, right?
And so anyway, this is quite terrifying.
And so the one subpoena obtained by the New York Times says they asked for any records of communications from people who organized, spoke, or provided security for Mr.
Trump's rally at the Ellipse.
They also requested information about any members of the executive and legislative branches who have taken part in planning or executing the rally or tried to obstruct, influence, impede, or delay the certification of the president's election.
It's like, well, you guys did the same thing with the Russia investigation in 2016-2017.
You guys did exactly the same thing.
You know, all they did is it was a bunch of boomers who wandered around and messed up a few offices.
No one was armed.
Dude, I must say, I don't think any event in history has been more overblown than January 6th.
Yeah.
It's wild, isn't it?
One person died.
One woman who was shot by a police officer.
Yeah.
One of the protesters.
They call it a deadly insurrection.
Yeah.
One person...
For context, over 30 people died in the BLM riots in that same year.
Or the year before, even.
2020.
That's not even a conversation.
That's dead and forgotten and gone.
30 people died.
30 people died.
I don't know how many buildings destroyed.
I don't know how many people injured.
This...
It was like, yeah, it was stupid.
I'm not condoning the actions, but it's not.
The way they talk about January 6th, they've compared it to Pearl Harbor.
Yeah, 9-11.
They've compared it to 9-11.
I mean, bro.
Come on.
No one's buying it.
Your echo chamber is saying this to itself, but no one buys it.
No.
It's so weird.
In the States, they really still talk about it a lot on the news.
You're just like, dude, what?
January 6th, January 6th.
I remember watching the footage coming out of it, like people like Baked Alaska, you know, picking up Nancy Pelosi's phone and messing her up, the peeps on the desk.
It's like, these are not insurrectionists.
These are idiots.
They weren't even armed.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, yeah, they're not armed.
They weren't even...
But that's a big deal in the US. Yeah, exactly.
In the US, if they'd all had AR-15s and been strapped and whatever, and they all ran into...
It's like, okay, that's...
They literally walked in, some wearing silly outfits, waving flags.
It's actually remarkable.
You get so many Republicans together and them not being armed.
Where else would you go?
And here's another one that they forgot.
They forgot that when this happened several years ago, when feminists Feminists broke into the Capitol.
That's right.
Right?
After the Capitol.
Yeah, yeah.
Feminists did an insurrection on the Capitol.
When Antifa attacked the White House and Trump had to go into hiding.
That was, I think it was 2019, 2020.
Remember Chaz Chop?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Taking over a whole city block for over a week.
It's...
And again, like six people died.
Dude, can you imagine if a right-wing militia took over?
Swindon Town Centre just took over on blocks, but in the States- It would be insane.
Bro, the military would have been in there.
I actually know someone who was living in Charleston.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, she was living in downtown...
Oh right, and it formed it around...
Oh God!
She didn't leave her house for a week.
It just formed around her apartment.
Jesus!
And she was just there like...
Well, I can't go anywhere.
Yeah, she lives in Miami now.
But can you imagine this thing just one day, they just...
No!
I can't imagine it.
Like, oh God, what now?
And remember they had their racially segregated, their racial segregation, and then they were trying to grow vegetables and stuff.
Oh God.
But anyway, so this is all building up to an indictment of Trump, obviously.
They're trying to make it, we can get to the next one, they're trying to make it so he can't run again, because they know that he's going to crush them.
And they're concerned about this.
So they're putting a lot of pressure on Trump and his lawyers.
And they're getting hung up on whether he declassified the documents that were at his house.
Now, the FBI released the heavily redacted, like, warrant and things.
And so they found nothing of any particular importance.
And Trump's lawyers are like, well, look, if we do this all now, if you indict Trump, then we actually lose part of our defense because it's already out in the open and you've already got access to it.
And so they're like, oh, well, this is proof that actually Donald Trump had not declassified these documents.
He was the president.
He could just say it.
He could do it any time.
There is no higher authority when it comes to classification.
And so you can see it's this general sort of milieu of madness that's taken hold of the Democrats.
And then you get to their public rhetoric.
Now, we've got a few clips in that are just all important elected representatives who are Democrats.
And it's like they don't realize how crazy they sound.
Let's play the first one.
That's the difference between the two parties in a nutshell.
While MAGA Republicans are fixated on their extremist agenda like a national abortion ban, Democrats are focused on creating jobs, lowering costs, and bringing the country together.
No one on earth thinks that's true, Chuck.
You're really bringing people together there.
My opponent's evil.
I'm good.
We're bringing the country together.
It's mental, right?
And then you get, this is a Senate nominee, Tim Ryan, I think it is, on the phone to MSNBC. And it's just, if this was right-wingers, again, I hate to be like you are, but imagine if the situation was reversed.
But just listen to this rhetoric.
This is crazy.
We can move out of this age of stupidity and into an age of reconciliation and reform.
How do we fix all of these broken systems?
Some of those answers will come from Republicans, not the extremists that we're dealing with every single day.
We've got to kill and confront that movement.
But working with normal mainstream Republicans.
Kill and confront that movie.
Strange language.
You wouldn't use that language normally.
No.
That's unbelievable, right?
I think you've got them saying literal call to arms.
They love killing babies, man.
Oh, yeah.
That's their sacrament, the abortion thing there.
They're enthusiastic about it.
It's disgusting.
I saw a song about it the other day.
I was just like...
What sort of pro-abortion song?
I've been listening to hip-hop music for over 20 years, and I thought that I had heard the most degenerate things possible.
It was topped last week.
What was the song?
I don't even want to promote it in any way, but the whole song was shot outside Planned Parenthood.
A rap video, literally all talking about getting an abortion.
See, a lot of people are like, well...
It was mind-blowing.
When American Republicans are like, this is kind of satanic, it's like, yeah, I mean, I'm an atheist, I don't believe in God or Satan and stuff like that, and I'm not involved in Christian circles.
But it is hard to say that that's not satanic.
It's demonic.
It's a complete inversion.
Yeah.
Monstrous.
Yeah, it's monstrous.
And again, if you want to talk about parties shifting, what was the old Democratic line on that issue?
Safe, legal, and right.
Right?
Yeah.
Now it's any time, any place, it's not, they call it healthcare.
Yeah, up until the point of birth.
It's one thing saying you think something, you know, maybe it's, you know, a necessary evil, certain circumstances, whatever, it's icky, I don't like it.
That's one thing.
It's another thing being enthusiastic about it or celebrating it or calling it healthcare.
Yeah.
Or calling it, you know, they call it abortion care.
They use that term.
Abortion care.
I mean, it's always an evil.
It's just whether it's a necessary evil or not, right?
That's how I've always viewed it.
Like, okay, if the mother's going to die, fine.
You know, if it's a threat to the mother, you know, you're going to have to make a choice.
That's the pro-life position.
There's not a pro-life person.
Who wants the mother to die?
No, that's not a position, right?
Or if it was, it'd be a really extreme...
Extremely rare, yeah.
But the point even with that particular one is...
You know, the baby can be delivered, even if the baby's not going to...
There's a difference between delivering a baby and giving them palliative care or attempting to do that versus just intentionally killing them, right?
But the thing is, like, have you considered that maybe you need to fight a civil war over this?
Let's play this clip.
This is an outright attack on women in this country.
That is how I see it.
That is how more and more women and those who support our right to make decisions about our own bodies.
That is how we see it.
And why?
Because that's what's happening.
They're so dishonest, man.
They're snakes.
I knew it before, but clearly, you know, this is a literally call to arms in our country.
Literally called to arms.
There's some little old lady who's obviously not going to pick up arms.
Yeah.
Mad.
But you are right.
It's an insane frame.
It's really weird.
It's very weird.
And it's...
It's extreme.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this one I just thought was amazing.
Let's just play it so you can see it.
It's just wild.
There's a part of me that says that we have 128 bases and installations in these red states, in these states that ban abortion.
Maybe we should just move these bases.
Got to make sure the military isn't in red states because they ban abortion.
It's like, sorry, if you were setting up for a civil war, this is what it would sound like.
And the thing is, they're demons and they're also liars because abortion isn't even banned.
No, I know.
I think it should be.
But that's not even where things are.
So they're not even operating off of facts, right?
There are places where there's now like a 15-week limit.
And things like that, which is very much in line with where Europe generally is.
Oh, no, no.
Europe's more conservative.
Europe's 12.
Yeah, 12.
12, right?
It's UK that's actually pretty extreme.
UK is 24.
Yeah, I know.
Canada has no limit.
UK, by the way, has no limit in things as mild as having a cleft palate.
Yeah, yeah.
It's wild.
So actually, the US is...
If anything, shifting in line with many other developed countries.
Yeah, it's weird, you know?
The thing with the States is, I mean, I've got a lot of friends there who are fully ready for secession, especially out in Texas.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know, man.
It's in a precarious position, for sure.
Well, it is, because, as Aaron here points out, the Republican Party's top two 2024 presidential candidates, Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, are now under criminal investigation.
Why is DeSantis under criminal investigation?
Human trafficking.
Oh, the muscles.
Yeah, yeah, well.
Yo, I just found out today.
Do you know where that idea came from?
No.
Candace Owens.
Oh, brilliant.
It was Candace Owens.
It was Candace Owens' idea.
I don't think she's gotten any problems.
She had a tweet in April.
Yeah, that's brilliant.
Saying, ship them to Martha's Vineyard.
Oh, yeah.
And in 24 hours, it's like, military, deport.
It's like, well, there we go.
That's what you can do, because that's what they did.
But the thing is, what's the charge, right?
And so the Democrat sheriff in Bexar County, who's opened up the investigation, I don't know what gives him jurisdiction, Has said that he cannot point to any criminal statutes that have been violated.
It was just distasteful.
We didn't like it.
And therefore, Ron DeSantis is now...
And it's like, look, this is how nakedly partisan this has become, right?
Like, the Democrats are driving things completely into the ground.
Like, for example, Mike Lindell, the MyPillow salesman got raided.
Oh, wow, yeah.
The Pillow salesman.
He was a threat to the Republic, was he?
Those pillows, I haven't used one, but I've got no doubt that the man knows his pillows.
But if you go to the next one, he says that he was raided when he was at a restaurant.
They surrounded him and seized his phone.
It's like, really?
How was he a threat to the Republic at a restaurant?
Yeah, the FBI is really being weaponized.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
They told them to shut up and don't tell anyone.
It's like, oh, that's what people who are doing the right thing do.
Say, shh, don't tell anyone about this.
Yeah.
Weird.
And so the Columbia Bugle raises a good point.
Why are the Republicans acting?
Well, these raids will carry on because the Republicans won't do anything.
Yeah.
And Kim.com, I thought, made a good point.
Biden uses the DOJ and FBI to suppress the crimes of his son and raid the homes of his political rivals.
Biden warns that democracy is in danger.
Well, he is the danger.
Yeah, it kind of looks like it, actually.
You know, this, in fact, the left would describe this as stochastic terrorism.
For anyone who's not aware, stochastic terrorism is a term that has been popularized among left-wing commentators, saying, well, all of this violent rhetoric increases the chances of a terror attack, and therefore the rhetoric itself becomes a form of terrorism.
Well, we have a great example of that, unfortunately, from, I think it was literally yesterday, where a young man called Kayla Ellingson, 18 years old, was driven down by 41-year-old Shannon Brandt because of his political...
Persuasion.
Wait, what?
I'm not even joking.
So this happened, the court papers show that Brandt called 9-11 around 2.30am on a Sunday and told the dispatcher that it just hit Ellington, Ellington, sorry, claiming the team was part of a Republican extremist group.
What?
And calling people to come get Brandt after a political argument.
Oh, I didn't see this.
So some guy who's obviously excessively online...
Was like, oh, maga extremists are bad, and then gets into an altar.
And ran over an 18-year-old.
And killed an 18-year-old.
What?
So this is actually an example of stochastic terrorism in action.
What?
I haven't seen it.
This is just today.
Yeah, yeah.
I think the actual...
Can you pull up the article?
I did pull it up earlier.
But I think it was yesterday.
If you scroll down just so we can see the date.
It was very, very recent.
Yeah, so yeah, on the 19th.
But yeah, so they got into some sort of political argument.
Dude, I don't like to do this whole if this had happened the other way around thing.
Sure.
But if this had happened the other way, if a Trump supporter, if a Republican, if a conservative, I mean, it did happen.
It happened, the person, the woman who was killed at the Unite the Right rally, the guy drove, hit her in the car, right?
Which is still talked about to this day.
Heather Hare?
Heather Hare, yeah, exactly, right?
That was massive, massive news.
That was the thing.
Rightfully so.
Yes, exactly.
This is the same thing.
Exactly the same thing.
And so this Kayla Ellingson, he called his mom to come and rescue him because Shannon Brandt was chasing him with his car.
What?
And he killed him for being a Republican extremist.
How do you kill an 18-year-old kid for being a...
Because you're really online, and they're saying the MAGA extremists have to be dealt with.
We've got to kill this MAGA movement.
That's why.
This is an infinitely bigger story than this man.
I know.
It's wild, isn't it?
So we'll leave that there, just because it's mental.
And we'll go on to the final one, which I think hopefully will be much more positive and wholesome than the stuff we've had to come here.
Because it's just, like, this is happening, you know?
This is just stuff that's going on.
So I thought I'd talk to you about your perspective on life because you're obviously very well-traveled.
Sure.
And you regularly on your Twitter account put out just sort of short statements because obviously it's Twitter.
And I thought, you know, worth maybe unpacking some of these just to, like, give people an exploration into the philosophy that underpins them.
Because I think it's, you know, very much in the sort of Jordan Peterson framework.
But I think it's worth going through because, as you were saying earlier, young men are not being well-instructed at all.
And I'm very much...
agreement with this.
And this actually ties into the thing I want to promote here, which is Connor and Nick Dixon doing an examination of Patrice wisdom, Patrice O'Neill's wisdom, reflections on being a man.
Now you are Patrice.
Yeah, of course, man.
Of course you are.
Yeah.
Classic.
Absolutely.
Like some of the clips are just classic.
And if you want to support us, go sign up five or a month and check that out.
Cause it's really good.
So I thought we'd, we'd start with your views on San Francisco.
Oh boy.
Yikes.
I went to San Francisco in 2017, and it seems to have significantly degenerated.
Declined, yeah.
I went there for the first time in 2019, September 2019.
First time in California, first time in San Francisco.
And actually, I had a viral thread.
You could probably find it on Twitter still in 2019 of me talking about my San Francisco experience because I saw stuff there I've never seen anywhere else in the world.
Keep in mind, I've been to...
Over 100 different cities in 38 different countries.
And I saw stuff there I'd never seen before.
I saw dozens of people, dozens, using hard drugs in the streets, heroin, crack, meth.
I'd never just seen that with my own eyes.
And people were just walking around like it was normal.
I saw people defecating in the street.
I saw basically what you're seeing there.
I mean, this isn't just one street.
It's like that for blocks.
If you're in the downtown Tenderloin area, There's whole blocks, just both sides of the street, tents, just people openly using drugs.
Sometimes there'll be a police car just kind of parked in the middle just watching because they only intervene if there's violence.
So you can smoke your crack, you can inject your drugs, they won't do anything.
But if a fight breaks out or someone's getting robbed or something, then they'll intervene.
But yeah, it's a gnarly place.
I actually went there again.
For a photoshoot three months ago, but I didn't go downtown, so I only saw the nicer part of it.
See, when I went there, I mean, maybe I just didn't go to the right places.
I did walk around quite a lot because I wanted to see the city, and it wasn't this bad at all.
I didn't see anything this disgusting, frankly.
For me, it was like...
The signs were there, but they weren't so explicit.
Like, I would have to walk around like zombies, basically.
There'd be just these, you know, guys, obviously drugged up, just standing in the middle of the street, doing nothing.
Can't perceive anything around them.
As you just walk around them.
It wasn't too bad, because you'd get, like, four or five of them.
Like, you walk around.
It's not so bad.
But, like, this is just, like, entire, you know, blocks.
Yeah, multiple blocks.
It was weird, man.
I saw a guy fighting in traffic cone.
Like, in a heated debate and argument and fight with a traffic con.
I'll tell you my experience there when I was there in 2019.
It's the only...
Because I planned to walk all the way back from where I was.
It was like a 45-minute walk through downtown to where I was staying.
I was halfway...
I was halfway there and I called an Uber because I had concerns about my own safety.
I... I don't feel like that anywhere.
Like, I can carry myself.
I'm not someone who ever...
It just felt so unpredictable.
I felt like anything could happen.
Someone could come out.
Yeah, there were just...
The mental illness, the drug use.
Just like here.
If you walk down that street, it's just unpredictable.
Are they going to lash at you?
You don't know.
And I was just like, you know what?
I've done enough sightseeing.
I'm going to get an Uber.
Yeah, it's wild, isn't it?
And this is just...
And San Francisco, like the buildings, people don't realize the buildings are beautiful in San Francisco.
It's one of the most beautiful cities in the U.S. architecturally.
Yeah, but then, you know, as long as you're looking up, it looks gorgeous.
As soon as you look down, it's...
And by the way, you could go to San Francisco and completely miss this.
Oh, yeah.
Because there's an area called the Tenderloin, which is really bad, and then some parts of downtown.
So you could easily...
So for someone who's thinking, oh, I went to San Francisco, it's totally fine.
You can't avoid it.
But you can't avoid it if you walk through proper downtown.
It was the same with L.A. Like, you know, there was...
Skid Row.
Yeah, I was out there with Tim Pool and like...
There were places we didn't go.
But then even going to...
We went to some Walmart and there was a homeless encampment under the overpass or whatever.
And it's just there.
And it's just normal.
And you say, God, that's terrible.
What the hell?
Get these people off the streets.
Get them cleaned up.
Yeah, I've heard Seattle and Portland are particularly bad.
Some parts of Austin are a little bit gnarly downtown.
Not at the level of LA or San Francisco.
No, no.
But you see stuff there.
Like, this doesn't exist in the UK. Not like this.
No, no.
There's homelessness here.
But not, like, there it's a whole level of desperation.
Well, we have ways of getting them off the streets.
Yes.
You know, we've, like, you know, and hostels.
And the drug and mental illness is not the same.
Here you can talk to homeless people.
Oh, yeah.
They're not drugged up.
You can talk to them.
They're, like, there you...
Well, we're very – we stigmatize drug use here.
Sure.
Unlike in California where they don't.
No.
It's completely normal.
In fact – The government gives them the needles.
There's injection sites.
There's Narcan dispensing machines.
It's very weird.
They call it harm reduction.
That's the name of the progressive policy.
It's called harm reduction.
If anyone's curious about this, oh, this tweet is from Michael Schellenberger.
If you read his book, San Francisco, I read that earlier this year.
I read it in February.
Really gives you a deep dive into how and why it got like this.
So that's a good read.
Crazy.
Right.
Let's move on to representation.
Hmm.
I like this tweet, right?
So you say, I've always felt more represented by people who share my values and mindset, but not by my skin color, than by people who share my skin color, but not my values and mindset.
Modern interpretation of representation is very shallow.
There are people who look nothing like me, but we share a lot in common.
There are people who look sinisterly, but we have little in common.
All this stuff is basic and should be obvious, but we keep getting stuck on dumb and shallow interpretations of humanity.
So if we go to the next one, are you saying that you don't feel represented by this lady?
No.
Who is that?
I don't know.
She's a model.
I don't know.
I don't know anything about her.
Exactly.
But she's got your skin tone.
I'm a progressive.
She looks tired, I don't know.
She definitely looks tired.
Going back to your tweet, this is just one of those things where it's like, in all of storytelling, you'll notice that you don't really know that much about the characters normally.
So if you read an old story, like a legend, Hercules goes and has to clean out the Aegean stables.
In what way do I feel represented by Hercules?
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not a Greek.
There's nothing to do with that.
It's about the mindset, the willingness to go and do a terrible job for whatever reward.
And all storytelling is based on this kind of view of representation where it's sympathetic to the endurance and the encounters.
It's nothing to do with the way people look.
That's such a narrow and tepid view of representation.
It is.
And it's funny because this was around the same time that people were having silly arguments about, like, you know, what Jesus looked like.
And you're just like, bro, like, what are you doing?
You look like a Middle Easterner, obviously.
Again, there, there.
Because people were trying to dunk.
Oh, because of the little murder thing.
For all the people saying, Ariel can't be black.
Well, Jesus can't be white.
Bang!
Mic drop.
It's like, bro, no one thinks Jesus was white and blue-eyed.
Like, that's not...
But also, no one cares.
Like, that's not...
Oh, Jesus' message is rubbish now!
Christians aren't sitting there, like, having heated debates over...
Again, because to your point, it's like, that's really not the point of the story.
That's not the...
Like if you feel kinship and affinity with Jesus, it shouldn't be based on him being And in fact, one of the reasons that Jesus, like Aristotle pointed this out, men make gods in their own image, right?
Even in his day, they're like, well, if I go to Nubia, the gods look Nubian.
If I go to Persia, the gods look Persian.
Shocker.
Because in the Bible, it doesn't sit there and say, Jesus looked like this.
Jesus did something.
It's about the act of the person.
And so actually, you bring your own context to the story.
And so it's, okay, well, these are the actions, and these are, you know, These are virtues.
These are things that you, as a good or moral person, can recognize as being right or wrong.
And you learn a moral lesson from it.
And so you fill in the gaps.
J.P. Japanese Jesus.
J.P. Exactly.
J.P. Or Chinese Jesus.
J.P. Oh, well, Jesus didn't look like this.
Nothing he said was good.
It's completely normal, as John's pointing out here.
It's completely normal because that's not what the story was about.
And so the concept of representation, I'm actually reading a book on this.
I'm studying a book on this at the moment.
Because as soon as you start breaking it down, it's like the idea that like, oh, I need to see a black person or else.
And it's just like, well, that says more about you.
Yeah, exactly.
It's juvenile.
That's one of the biggest problems we have right now in our society is the infantilization of adults.
I said the other day that we're, in many aspects, we're treating children like adults and adults like children, right?
And that's actually, that's a huge problem That's a huge issue.
But yeah, the representation thing, it's always been silly.
Even as a child, before I was even articulating the kind of thoughts I am now, I always thought it was silly because I've always been surrounded by and influenced by people who are from all types of different backgrounds and look different and nothing.
Do you know something that really hit me, when it really hit me?
I remember 2007-2008 when Obama was running for president.
And when he was running and after he won, when people were saying things like, this is so inspiring.
Racism is over.
No, when people were saying things like, this is amazing because now my child knows that it's possible for them to achieve.
I was like, I always knew a black person could become president.
Just like I know a woman can become president, even though it hasn't happened in the USA. It's obviously possible.
It just takes the right person.
It takes the right individual for it to happen.
But for some people, it was like Obama made them realize, oh my gosh, that's even possible.
And I'm like, that's kind of...
That's kind of sad because I'm just like, hey, a person can become president.
Therefore, I can become president.
I don't need them to be my gender.
I don't need them to be my so-called race, so on.
How is Obama, if representation is so important, how is Obama did this himself?
Because he's like, well, a black person can't become president, so I won't even try.
So he didn't think that.
Of course not.
So he had the will to power that was required to do it.
And if you don't have that, then you're not going to be that guy.
So it doesn't matter who you see represented there.
It's not going to be you.
So this whole thing is totally fallacious to me.
It is.
Again, and it's just shallow.
And it's silly because for whatever reason, it's been decided that the three categories that matter are race, Gender and sexuality.
I don't know why and who decided those three.
It could be height.
It could be ethnicity.
It could be religion.
There's so many facets and factors.
I've never heard someone say, I mean, most CEOs are tall.
Yeah, that's totally true.
Why is there not a movement of, hey...
Heightest.
Yeah, height.
I mean, heightism is a real thing.
Oh, it is.
Especially when it comes to women's mating preferences.
Absolutely.
It is in all aspects of life.
Yeah, so, you know, I've never seen a short...
Hey, we need more short representation.
You know, people of lower altitude need more...
What is that?
Popola.
The polar community needs more representation, but it's a weird one.
But also, it doesn't connect with anything that I actually think.
When I think of representation, I think of, like, I won't see moral and good people represented.
Yeah.
Like, people who show virtues.
Exactly.
People who make good moral decisions and overcome difficulty through internal strength of will and decency and kindness and strength.
You know, I don't...
You know, Hitler was white...
I don't feel represented by Hitler.
Like, weirdly, I don't have to say that.
You know, like, you know, there are other people around the world who are not white who I feel quite represent the values I like to show.
And so it's like, you know, as you say, like I said, it's one of those things I just wanted to touch on because it was just so obvious, like, That tweet there also leads me to what I was just saying.
Yeah, it does.
And this is a great point.
You handicap yourself by only allowing yourself to be inspired by people with your same skin color or gender.
There are so many great examples that are genuinely virtuous.
And again, I think the word virtue is something we need to start reusing.
Because this is your habit of life, you know, what you do every day.
It's not just one impressive act.
No, this is every day I get up, I go to work, I pay the bills, I get home, I'm a dad, you know, I'm a husband, and then, you know, I do the same thing the next day.
And that provides stability for my kids.
And that's what they need.
And so it's like, you know, you don't need, you need to be the virtuous person.
And that's nothing to do with skin colorism.
No, it's not.
And my point with this tweet is that if you're...
Especially when it comes to young people, right?
As you said, you want them to...
If you want your children to have role models, right?
And I assume you'd want their role models to be people of virtue and strength of character, not people who quote-unquote look like them.
It's such a silly thing, right?
There are some black people who are complete degenerates and I want nothing to do with them.
And hey, we don't share, like, just, oh, but they're black too.
I don't give a crap.
I don't give a crap.
There's people of Asian people, white people I have so much in common with.
There's tons of black people I have tons in common with.
But it's about the character, their character, their beliefs.
It's funny.
I feel weird when I tweet stuff like this.
Because it sounds ridiculous.
Yeah, because it's so obvious to me.
And I'm just like, why do I even have to say this?
I was like, what?
Why?
Just go.
Just do your thing.
Just go do your thing.
No one cares.
Just do your thing.
Virtue is self-evident.
If you're a good person, you do good things, you work hard every day of your life, everyone can see it.
You don't need to brag.
You don't need to tell people.
You are the representation you want to be by being the virtuous person.
Everyone can see it.
You're a big guy.
You obviously go down the gym.
You don't need to tell me.
You go down to the gym.
Didn't even put it in my bio.
Yeah, exactly.
You don't need to put it in your bio.
You don't need to post photos of yourself at the gym.
You don't need to do that.
It's self-evident through what you are, you know?
And so it's just...
In fact, this goes on to the next one I want to talk about, actually.
The Bodsey Positivity.
Oh, boy.
Oh, gosh.
I love this movement so much because this is the antithesis of virtue, right?
This is someone, and I'm not trying to be mean, but these are people who clearly indulge in vices.
Now, I used to be a lot bigger than I am now, and that's because I was indulging in vices, and it's because I have changed my lifestyle that I look different.
You were never even close to this level.
No, no, I was never this bad.
But I was quite a lot worse than I am now.
And I'm telling you, it's 100% your own fault.
It's what you do with your life.
It's what you put in your mouth.
And like you say, it seems genuinely kind of misogynistic.
It's only targeted at women.
Yeah.
You will not find me male equivalents of these photos.
Because no man would accept them.
No.
And like you say, it's unthinkable.
You won't see an obese man on Men's Health or Men's Fitness or Flex magazine.
It's not...
It'd be ridiculous.
No, but with women, the thing is, there's a difference between encouragement and glorification, and they went way past, you know, it's I've helped so many people lose weight.
I've written two books on the subject.
I've helped a ton of people lose weight.
I've been overweight before.
I weigh less now than I did 20 years ago.
So I'm not coming from some harsh perspective.
You've probably seen these things where they literally say, this is healthy.
Or healthy at any size.
It's like, dude, that's a sick message.
It's false and it's sick.
You are going to kill people.
You are killing people.
Heart disease is the biggest killer.
Followed by cancer.
By the way, cancer risk can be reduced by not being obese.
Even during this whole so-called pandemic we lived through the past two years, 80% of people hospitalized, overweight or obese.
And they tried to kind of bury that one too.
So when I see stuff like this, we have sizes up to 7X. And people were saying, oh, well, you know, they need clothes to work out too.
Firstly, this is where I might be being a little harsh.
But if you have this body type...
You shouldn't be wearing that type of, like, you don't wear the whole, you know, if you're a man too, by the way, the whole, like, super body hugging, like, you know, you have to be in real good shape to pull that off, right?
You could just put on a hoodie, put on some baggy pants, like, put on a tracksuit.
Yeah, yeah.
And go to the gym.
You don't need to have everything out and jiggling.
These women don't even need to go to the gym.
What even is that?
If you just reduce your diet to a normal diet, you have three normal meals a day that a normal person eats, like I eat, your body would lose a bunch of fat.
You wouldn't become skinny.
That woman on the right is going to be over 400 pounds.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
Like, that's not just, oh, thick or even, like, normal fat.
Like, look at the legs.
Like, that's ridiculous.
I mean, again, I'm not trying to be mean because this is – the thing is, yeah, there's an aesthetic conversation, of course, but I'm not talking even about – I'm talking about health.
Yeah.
You are not healthy.
You can't be healthy at that size.
But also, the entire movement is...
Like you say, it's kind of misogynistic as well because it's kind of promoting them as like...
Like this, trying to glorify this turns into something like a carnival show, right?
Where it's like, you know that almost everyone on earth doesn't agree with you.
Exactly.
You know, and so you're kind of humiliating these people in public.
And it's like, that's just not- Whilst telling them that, oh, actually, you're beautiful.
They're all big.
All of them.
All those 99% of people, they're wrong.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And, like, it really takes effort to become that big.
Did you see what they called them?
Infinifat?
Oh, no.
What did they call them?
I think if you go on the top...
You go on the second one?
They called it Infinifat.
There's somewhere where they call it Infinifat.
Skip through to the...
Yeah, Infinifat Fit.
Actual Super and Infinifat Fit models.
They call them Infinifat Fit models.
Infinifat.
Infinifat Fit.
Okay.
Just double-think this.
Infini-fat fit.
But you don't get to that size without a lot of effort.
No.
You have to eat a lot of pizza.
No, they're typically having 6,000 plus calories a day.
Yeah, exactly.
And that's more than double what a normal adult needs.
And if we get to the next one...
And they call normal people, do you notice they call them straight-sized people?
Straight-sized.
So they've somehow put it...
Oh, you've probably seen the arguments that, by the way, that this is linked to racism.
No.
I haven't, actually.
Oh, really?
It's always white women that I see represented.
Oh, interesting.
Oh, there's the whole thing that so-called fatphobia is directly tied to anti-black racism and that there was actually an incredible TikTok that came out the other day where this obese woman, obese young woman, was directly linking colonialism.
She traced the fact that she's fat to colonialism.
So she said that, so these white people came And they came to this land, and this happened, and this happened.
And it was like the butterfly effect.
It was like the butterfly effect.
And so now, Miss Lady on TikTok, the reason she's fat now is because of that thing.
And I was like, that was incredible.
I don't think that's how you intended it, but wow.
So tell me about My 600lb Life.
I haven't seen that show.
No, I don't watch TV, really.
So tell me about that.
Yeah, there's this show.
It's actually a popular TV show in the UK and US. It's called My 600-lb Life, where they follow the stories of people who weigh a minimum of 600 pounds.
The last one I watched, the person was 700 pounds.
I don't watch TV either, but I'm back in the UK and I was at my parents' house.
Your parents want to watch it.
You know, I come in, I'm like, what are you guys watching?
I see this woman, like, just the blob, like, laying in a bed.
You know, they're trying to move her.
And I'm just like, good grief.
And it's savage.
I mean, you've got to work really hard to get 600 pounds.
Yeah, and there's always someone feeding them, of course, because they can't move.
They can't move themselves.
They're totally dependent.
And it's usually the mother.
It's usually the mother is feed them.
And these people are eating like 10,000 calories a day.
10,000.
Like, they are eating...
The woman in the one I watched, she ordered two...
For one meal, she ordered two large pizzas from Domino's, 24 chicken wings, the big two-liter bottle of Pepsi, the brownie tray, not one brownie, the brownie tray.
That was one meal.
And she ate the whole...
Oh, and fries.
And she ate the whole...
Don't forget the fries.
She ate the whole thing.
And that's one meal of three.
And I think she weighed 660-something pounds.
And she was like 5'5".
This has to be like an addiction at that point.
Because if it was all fruit and vegetables, I'd still be like, you probably don't need so much.
You can't eat 10,000 calories of fruit and vegetables.
Exactly, right?
It's all this saturated fat, seed oil fried, cheese covered, sugar filled, salt infused.
Like you say, don't eat like a dumpster.
Yeah, it's horrible.
The thing is, the worst thing you can do in this society is offend somebody.
But we're at the point where You're killing people with your unwillingness to tell them the truth.
You are lying to them.
Who's more compassionate?
Me, the person saying, hey, look...
This is unacceptable.
You're going to kill yourself.
You're going to be dead within five years if you continue.
And some of these people are like 35, right?
And it's like, dude, you've got your whole life ahead of you.
You hear about these young people in their 20s who die of heart attacks and stuff like that because they're so big.
It's awful.
And you have to be able to intervene and tell people.
If I had a friend and he's there juicing himself up on heroin every day or whatever, I'm not going to...
I'm not going to be indulging him and coming up with every excuse.
I have a level of compassion of like, okay, you're addicted or whatever, but we need to stop this.
As your friend, as someone who cares about you and loves you, even if you get mad at me short term, I'm not going to indulge you.
I will help you get help, but I'm not going to be bringing you clean needles every year.
I'm not going to go and buy your heroin for you.
No.
And you're not using that in front of me.
I'll...
You have to do it.
The love isn't just saying, oh, well, because when they're interviewed, they're always like, oh, you know, I love them.
And, you know, they get angry if I don't get their favorite food.
It's like, who cares?
That's okay.
Who cares?
They can't get out of bed to chase you.
So I'm not saying don't feed the person.
Well, no, feed them food.
You don't need 10,000 calories a day.
Here's some lean meat.
Here's some vegetables.
That's just normal food.
And when you can get up, you can go to the pizza hut yourself.
Yeah.
If you're still mad at me, then we'll fight it.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
You won't be dead at least.
Anyway, moving on.
I like your view here, right?
This I find interesting, right?
Because you're like, for individual empowerment, the social, cultural, and moral fabric are all important, and more important than tribal, partisan politics.
It's like, yeah, but that makes you a Republican, doesn't it?
A MAGA Republican.
It does, doesn't it?
You need the prefix.
I agree with you completely.
Actually, don't worry so much about the parts of politics to focus on yourself.
I think that's a great way of getting out of the team nature of the parts of politics.
I think something important for everyone to understand is that human beings are inherently tribal.
Right?
All of us.
It's not something that is good nor bad.
It's just a characteristic, right?
Of course, for anyone who thinks they're minor, you will have some level of tribalism with your family and kinship as you should, with your country, with people in various communities.
It could be a religious community.
It could just be a hobby.
Whatever it is, we're tribal.
And that can manifest in the most extreme form becomes genocidal, literally.
And the best and highest form is community and familial bonds.
So this is, I think, one of the dangers with the way politics is done, especially when it's this binary, right?
In the States, you've literally just got Democrats and Republicans.
I mean, you can literally ask someone their opinion on a particular topic and know all of the other opinions.
If that happens, then you're not thinking.
You've picked a team and everything that comes with that.
Right, we'll skip over to the next one and go to this one.
I like this one a lot.
This is very interesting.
What age should children have smartphones?
It's deeper than that.
Smartphones and full access to social media.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry, absolutely.
Because I'm an absolute tyrant when it comes to gadgets.
My kids don't have them.
How old are they?
My daughter is 13, my son is 7, and my youngest is 2.
13, 7, 2.
And they just don't have them.
Because my daughter, when she was like 11 and 12, all of her friends were getting them.
They were like, well, okay, well, maybe she should get one.
And my wife was like, oh, I'll get one.
It's fine.
And I was like, no, we shouldn't.
We shouldn't.
It's addictive.
It's going to be bad for our mental health.
And so as soon as she started...
And her behavior noticeably got worse, right?
It noticeably got worse.
Because when you didn't get it for her?
No, no, when she got the phone.
Oh, when she got it.
When she got the phone, it noticeably got worse.
She became...
You know, angrier, more alone.
How old was she?
How old was she?
Twelve.
Eleven, twelve.
But basically, nearly the time of her 13th birthday, she'd done enough wrong where I was like, right, I'm taking that forever.
And you're not getting this back ever.
And now, all of a sudden, it's like the clouds part on a rainy day.
Like, she's happier in the house again.
And it's like, look, this is an addiction.
This is genuinely an addiction.
And like addicts, they will try and get their fix.
They just shouldn't have them.
I'm totally hardcore against social media access for children.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This was an interesting thing.
So my personal vote would have been 16 to 17, but 18 plus maybe.
Oh, yeah.
I think I'd be 18 plus.
I think a mature, because I know what I was like at 16, 17, and I think I was more mature than average.
Yeah.
For a lot of reasons, including going to boarding school from 11 and having four older siblings.
But I think that, yeah, to me that's like an absolute minimum.
I think 18 plus is totally reasonable.
I don't think most adults cannot manage a smartphone and social media properly in a way that doesn't negatively impact their mental health and well-being.
So giving that to a child To me, is bonkers.
And then on top of that, of course, you have the...
There's predators out there, man.
There's all sorts of weird stuff.
There's pornography.
There's violent stuff.
There's weirdos.
It's a dangerous thing for fully grown people.
Can you imagine what you would have posted on social media at 13?
Yeah, and also what could come back and bite you 10, 20 years down the line.
It's just...
It's messy.
That's all right.
We'll end that there just because...
Basically, we're running out of time.
I'm going to see if I can get some comments up, which I'm sure I can.
I seem to reload my thing.
I'm glad you like my tweets, man.
No, no, I do.
Honestly, it's good to see wholesome messages from you.
Because so much of Twitter is just junk, right?
It's a garbage heap.
There's no one putting the comments in the document.
It is.
It's just waiting for my thing to unload.
So much of social media is just junk.
And a lot of your Twitter feed is actually quite positive.
And that's relatively rare, actually.
Yeah, I'm very conscious about that.
I'm very conscious.
I call myself an optimistic realist.
So I always try to have an overarching message of positivity and optimism, but I'm also willing to discuss and confront...
Yeah, you've got to be realistic about what's actually happening.
Yeah, right.
I'm not going to just shy away from all the bad stuff that's happening and stuff that's concerning.
General High Ping says, Good to see Carl upping that female representation on the podcast.
That joke's going to take me to...
That's going to the grid.
Yeah.
That's how I first heard about you, because it was just like, well, what's stopping you?
Isn't it amazing?
Three and a half years later, this is still a raging debate.
But they can't tell you you didn't.
They can't say it.
It will destroy their entire movement if they did.
Defiantly Flippant says, I'm feeling inspired by Douglas Murray.
Zuby, what are you grateful for today?
Every day, man.
I'm grateful for God.
I'm grateful for my family.
I'm grateful for my health.
I'm grateful for my friends.
I'm grateful to have a career that I love.
I'm grateful for all of my fans, followers, supporters.
I'm grateful for everything, man.
I'm grateful to be born in the time I was born, in the place I was born.
I'm grateful to have the chance to travel.
Man, I could give you a list of a thousand things.
I'm generally a very grateful person.
That's one thing that keeps me – that stops me getting too dark in the things because I really am aware that a large percentage of people would quite happily trade their lives for mine or would be – with all the mess that we have, we're still in a great position and I think it's important to recognize that.
Ignatius says, you guys are giving too much leeway to the cricket brawlers.
It might have had a factor of male societal problems, but it's massively a cultural, ethnic conflict by foreigners.
I mean, that is true.
It's true.
They're both true.
Yeah, they are both true.
They're both true.
My point is that if you have a lot of directionless young men, in particular, with all that energy, it's going to come out in some way.
People die over freaking football.
Football hooliganism is not as wild now as it was a little bit ago.
But it was mental, right?
People were fighting and dying.
Literally killing each other in the streets over football.
Exactly.
So it happens.
If you look at Northern Ireland and the conflict there, those people are all Christians, right?
Catholic, Protestant, bombing each other.
It happens, man.
Yeah, yeah.
But one thing I'm concerned about is that it could be that in these communities, this is where the male energy is channeled purposefully, right?
And so that's, you know...
Do you think so?
I don't know if it is, though.
I'm worried that that might be the case.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not saying I've got hard knowledge of it, but I'm worried...
Like, I would assume that most of those guys out there on the street fighting...
Do not have like a wife and kids at home and aren't like...
I don't know.
I'm not certain.
I could be wrong.
I could be wrong.
I would assume a majority of them are not, you know, just, you know, Muslim or Hindu dad who's got their kids out.
I could be wrong, but that's my assumption.
They didn't look like it in the video.
Those look like pretty young dudes.
George says, Zuby's takes are always a pleasure to read.
In regards to the MAGA provocations, do you think they're trying to bait people into doing something similar to January the 6th?
We don't know how fortified the midterms are, but generally more people who care about justice and are brave enough to oppose the establishment is something the government would want.
Yeah, I do.
And I think what they're also doing is I think they're kind of pre-setting up this framing of these mega-Republican extremists so that if and when something happens at some point, anytime down the line, boom, you've got it.
You've already set up the narrative.
And they can, see, we told you, we warned you.
I bet Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi were thrilled.
Well, on January the 6th, they got the crowd in there.
I bet they were thrilled.
Well, they let them in.
Yeah, yeah.
They did.
They literally let them in.
They did.
It's mental.
It's absolutely mental.
And like you said, it's the most overblown thing in the world.
It wasn't that deep.
It was silly.
It was stupid.
I'm not condoning it.
Yeah.
But it wasn't, you know.
Yeah.
Omar says, I feel like American civility is dangling by fewer threads every day.
The Democrats keep cutting away at these threads, holding the social fabric together, unaware that if one side of the flag falls, the other half will go with it.
I'm afraid the psychopaths in power would be happy with the frayed remains so long as they can remain at the top of the poll.
And he points out that there have been already several politically motivated murders of Trump supporters, and yeah, it's just really terrible.
And honestly, I don't want to be like, oh, well, the manga guys did nothing wrong, because they have done things wrong.
But the Democrats seem to be pushing it.
Yeah, the problem is, in the States, the temperature has just been rising and rising and rising.
I've said many times, if I were an American, I would have voted for Trump in both elections.
One of my biggest criticisms of Trump is that he did...
Raise the temperature further, right?
Like, I'm not going to pretend that Trump was some unifying and, you know, lovely figure.
So, you know, but it was just like, at some point, someone needs to stop throwing the bombs, right?
It's like, well, they threw that last bomb.
Well, we're throwing that one.
In 2017, I was in America with Tim Pool and a bunch of other MAGA people.
And Tim was having an argument with...
I love that Tim's a MAGA person, though.
Yeah, that's right.
He wasn't at the time.
He was having an argument with...
An artist?
I can't remember a street artist.
He did some quite effective street art.
And this guy was trying to be like, well, Trump's not divisive or inflammatory.
And Tim was like...
And I was just like, man, come on.
You know, there are lots of ways of defending Trump, but saying that he's not inflammatory is divisive.
He is.
And that's what's good about him, frankly.
That's what was exciting about him.
I don't know if someone who didn't have that personality type and willingness to especially go against the media would have been elected.
Exactly.
That's the truth.
And so with that, you have to kind of take the whole parcel and that's what it is.
I think Trump was a net positive.
This does not mean I support or condone everything he's done and said.
But I think overall, if you look at the country and where it was, how the average American was doing, how the economy was doing, I just think that, yeah, things were better with Trump.
His policies made sense.
His foreign policy was strong.
Oh, it was great, wasn't it?
Yeah, he was actually a very peaceful president in terms of international conflict.
And I'm not the first person to say this, but I don't think this whole Russia-Ukraine thing would have happened if Trump was president.
But anyway, on that note, we're out of time.
So Zuby, where can people find you?
Sure.
TeamZuby.com.
I just launched a brand new website.
So if you want any new merchandise...
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And you can find me on all social media at Zuby Music.
I'm on Twitter, Instagram...
Minds.com, YouTube, Facebook, ZubyMusic.com, Z-U-B-Y Music.
You'll find me there.
Cool.
Great.
Thanks for watching, folks.
We'll be back tomorrow.
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