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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #245

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Logitechers for the 20th of October 2021.
	I'm joined by Thomas.
	Hello.
	Got the name right?
	Yesterday I forgot Harry's name.
	I looked like right a twat.
	We could collapse into each other, I suppose.
	We're both tall, both blonde-ish, and apparently we're both handsome.
	I wouldn't mind using the term, or at least...
	We're responding to the term based shaggy.
	That's the best nickname I've ever heard.
	But nonetheless, you got it right.
	Congratulations.
	I think he's enjoying it as well.
	Based shaggy.
	Anyway, so some stuff first.
	Oh, sorry.
	No, the thing's going to go through today, which is, are incels just terrorists?
	MPs laughing while they extend the Coronavirus Act, because screw people.
	Contempt there.
	Also, H3H3 cancelling Jordan Peterson, or at least attempting.
	Probably not successful, because, I mean, who's ever going to cancel Jordan Peterson?
	It's too important.
	Can't.
	Also, just too smart.
	Regardless of what you think of it.
	Like, watch Kathy Newman vs Jordan Peterson.
	What can we say?
	So, some stuff to mention first on the website.
	So, some of the premium stuff here.
	So, here's a new article.
	So, How to Win in a Public Debate Without Fighting from Hugo.
	I don't know if this one's premium or not.
	Ah, it is.
	Because it's got the audio track there, as you can see.
	And that is available for Silver and Gold Tears, in case you want to listen instead of reading.
	Because reading is a pain in the butt.
	And, yes.
	So if we carry on, we have the next thing here being a video by Mark.
	So this is not so obvious, his YouTube name.
	So this was a video we went to an academic agents conference and filmed the conference for them, handed them the videos.
	Mark still handed his to put up.
	And he started an organization called Basket Weavers.
	And there's a hyperlink there in the word Basket Weavers for people to go check out.
	Basically, it's like an adult version of just meeting friends.
	So just meet some base people who aren't weirdos and also just, you know, go hiking or, you know, build a relationship locally.
	Sounds good.
	Yeah.
	They're just utterly wholesome, to be honest.
	So anyway, go and check that out.
	And also, Basket Weavers, because Mark's organizing that, and I'm sure it's great.
	Yeah.
	So if we carry on with the last thing here, so there's a video I did called The Politics of the Crown.
	So I got the textbook back, the Politics UK one, dug through the sections on The Crown, and the The Crown obviously doesn't run the place day to day, as anyone could tell you who's studying British politics.
	But the funny thing is, everyone will admit that in law, yes, that's the case.
	And they're like, yeah, yeah, but that doesn't really happen.
	Only until the chips are down.
	And then what happens?
	And there are a whole bunch of examples throughout history that were in that textbook, and without as well, and also in The Crown, the TV show.
	Where you can just see, actually, no, the fact that these things are written in law do have an effect when used.
	The best example being the, I can't even say it, Coora incident.
	So in Northern Ireland, there were some British soldiers who were threatening to resign because they were ordered to go and crush British Unionist revolts.
	And they were just like, yeah, okay, we can't get them to do what we want.
	So we'll say that the king said that they must do it, and they just did it.
	No, no, no.
	You just work for the king, and the king demands it.
	I see.
	They were like, yeah, God save the king.
	I'll just go and do my thing.
	So the monarchy has some force still, even today.
	Yeah, and to say that it doesn't, I just don't think it's accurate at all.
	No.
	Anyway, so go and check that out.
	Tell me when I'm wrong.
	I know there were already two factual errors in there that were minor that I'm very annoyed about.
	I got one of Prince William's children's names wrong, and also I said Royal Army, when that's not the case because of Cromwell.
	It's the Royal Armed Forces, Royal Navy, Royal Air Force, but the Army one got dropped because of...
	Bastard who is Cromwell.
	Anyway, so that's that.
	So go check that out.
	Also, last thing to mention from the editor, which is please keep video comments to 30 seconds because apparently they've been slowly increasing.
	And yeah, it's getting far beyond what the 30 second limit is supposed to be.
	So keep it to that.
	Anyway, without further ado...
	Yes.
	Well, if you're an incel, I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you.
	Dr Charlotte Proudman, a leading human rights barrister, is campaigning for all participants, all participants in incel culture, to be outlined as potential terrorists.
	So we've seen this bubbling up, especially in the UK, on the lines of...
	What was that chap in Portsmouth?
	The guy who went and killed his mother?
	That was Plymouth.
	Yeah, that was Jay Davison, yes.
	And this is, I suppose, what she's making this argument off of the back of.
	The Independent reads that "Incel groups glorify violence against women and should be regarded as terrorists," Charlotte Proudman has warned.
	Prowman said incel groups are a growing problem, yet the authorities wrongly see incidents as being isolated one-offs rather than joining up the dots.
	So she's trying to present this as a predominantly societal problem, of course.
	But also, hang on, joining up the dots to what?
	Because that's what terrorism is.
	It's violence, political violence, and political violence for a political goal.
	I imagine joining up the dots that would resemble the intrinsic awfulness of manhood, or maildom, or whatever you want to refer to it as.
	Hating women for being Stacys, or whatever they refer them to.
	But what's the political goal there?
	That's what always gets me off with this kind of thing.
	The fact that she's used joining up the dots is actually quite significant, as I will reveal later on.
	But if we scroll down a little bit, she says, Speaking at an event about violence against women hosted by The Independence last Thursday, Dr Proudman said a belief in incel culture was a critical factor in the massacre carried out by gunman Jake Davison in Plymouth in August.
	Davison, a self-proclaimed incel, shot dead six people in the port city on the south coast of Devon, with his mother and a three-year-old girl among his victims, before aiming the gun at his own head.
	After the tragedy, it emerged Davidson had previously uploaded videos referring to himself as an incel and lamenting the fact he had not lost his virginity as a teenager.
	Davidson's murder spree was the deadliest mass shooting to take place in the UK in over a decade.
	Now, to state the obvious, incel terrorism has been a thing long before this has happened.
	And if we get the second clip up, of course, the first recognised case of incel terrorism was the case of Elliot Rodger in 2014.
	Rodger killed six people, injured 14, all around the University of California, I believe he studied, before turning the gun on himself.
	His reasons for doing so, for going on this killing spree, were declared in his infamous Retribution video, which is quite, needless to say, I think it's still on YouTube.
	Yeah.
	It's transcribed as well over here.
	The link will be attached.
	But in short, he had no luck with women whatsoever.
	His frustrations intensified when at university, as he saw it, reduced to watching others succeed in ways that he couldn't.
	He was particularly distressed by the fact that he was 22 and he was a virgin who had never even kissed a girl.
	He didn't understand what was wrong with him.
	He referred to himself as the perfect guy and even the supreme gentleman which he's now known as most commonly.
	Yeah.
	And a cult has almost been made out of him or has been made out of him.
	My understanding is it's like 99% irony if not 100% though.
	Yeah.
	It's obviously not sincere.
	No, it's not.
	Most of it is ironic.
	I think you're just kind of trolling the feminists a little bit.
	But he conducted the killings as an act of revenge against the society which, as he saw it, conducted or subjected him to the injustice.
	Hence why he targeted an area that had a famous sorority in it, even though the majority of the people he killed weren't even in that sorority.
	But he clearly had a narcissistic personality disorder, but it doesn't change.
	How sad and shocking the incident is.
	Not just for the people who died.
	But, I mean, I'll be hated for saying this, but for him as well, given how awful he felt.
	I mean, that's not an excuse for what he did by any stretch of the imagination.
	But to be pushed to the point where you literally think that...
	You quite literally think that there is a structure that's almost opposed to your very existence, which is what has become the in-so ideology, is pretty harrowing.
	Do you think he was pushed there?
	I believe there were forces pushing him, yes.
	But I'll go on to explain that later on.
	But there were other cases.
	if we move on to the next one there's the Canadian incel killer the case of Alec Manassian who was convicted for 10 accounts of first degree murder in Canada this year prosecutors argued that the crime was motivated again like Roger by his hatred of women and that he was radicalised on online forums.
	Speaking with the police following his arrest in 2018 the accused told officers that he belonged to an online subculture of men who blamed women for their sexual frustration and that he drew inspiration from others who used violence as a form of retribution for being unable to get laid and interestingly the judge actually disputed the notion that he was motivated by the incel culture to commit the crime so I don't think anything came of that But if we move on to the next one, which is why Charlotte Proudman is doubling down on this...
	Jake Davison, that is.
	I mean, like Roger Romanassian, Davison's loneliness and inability to find love are common features of his frustrations.
	And he exhibited this on his YouTube channel.
	And these views that he espoused on his YouTube channel were believed to be motivations behind the killings.
	I mean, all of these incidents are honour killings, really.
	Insofar as they genuinely think that society has done some harm to them and that there's got to be some kind of They almost want to put to bed in abstract terms the injustice that they have been subjected to.
	I can see that you can see that in their motivations.
	That's what I'm saying.
	The thing I have with all of this is the terrorism aspect.
	So you can see that as murder, you can see that as mass murder, all the rest of it.
	And I'm vaguely familiar with the Portsmouth shooters incident.
	I watched his video, he made it beforehand, and I've seen Elliot Rodgers because it's just so famous and his subsequent clothes.
	We're all still on YouTube, which I find strange, but okay.
	And the thing is, there's no political goal.
	The terrorism aspect is for political violence.
	So an Islamist kills David Amos.
	Well, he does that because the West has waged war on the Muslim world.
	Therefore, there's a role there.
	You will fear the Islamist world and you will treat us more favorably than you will others because otherwise we'll kill you.
	Yeah.
	There's a logical line of political thought.
	I'm inclined to agree.
	I don't think that they've actually conspired via a political strategy to conduct these...
	Also, what's the political goal?
	Well, exactly.
	I mean, I would argue that the political content of this comes from the fact that there are political forces presenting them in a certain way that is...
	I suppose, intensified their frustrations.
	And you could say that it's a response to that politicisation, even though it's not conscious.
	And again, I'll explain in a minute.
	But I agree with you in principle, that these are not political actors.
	I mean, I don't know if you have it, but I remember the chap is actually investigating that particular case of the...
	Was it Plymouth or Portsmouth?
	I always forget.
	It's Plymouth.
	Plymouth, right.
	So, in Plymouth, I remember the investigator who's in charge of terrorism just decided, no, we're not treating this as a terrorist incident because we can't find the evidence.
	As in, our definition of terrorism doesn't encompass this because it's not political.
	Yeah, there's still pressure for it to be reclassified as a terrorist incident.
	Yeah, I've read some of the internal documents in the home office.
	You know they have memes?
	They're sharing memes with each other in the home office.
	They'd be like, yeah, so these are far-right memes of the incel movement.
	I'm like...
	I don't know what you're saying.
	No, this conflation with the far right is extremely...
	I mean, just to say loose would be kind, really, but anyway.
	Charlotte Prowman, as a solution to, I suppose, the incel problem, is pushing for those merely participating at incel culture, such as, you know, participating in forums, to be classified as potential extremists and terrorists in virtue of their participation alone.
	Whining about women.
	Whining about women, whining about the fact that no one wants them.
	They're basically being ostracised from the gene pool, and she basically sees these people as a potential threat to women.
	What happens to all those forums?
	The incel could argue that it's...
	But femcels can't exist, given that they control access to sex.
	Yeah, femcels will prove that wrong.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, there's merit to the femcel argument.
	But I mean, this is clearly a complete misreading of the incel community, isn't it?
	And I think it's potentially counterproductive for what she wants to achieve as well.
	But you're probably wondering who Charlotte Proudman is.
	Is this the first time that you've heard of her?
	First, I recognise the name, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You recognise the name for a good reason.
	Here she is.
	She's the Me Too pioneer, pioneer of the Me Too campaign.
	That's what she...
	Wait, was she the lady who went on ITV? She may have been.
	I didn't see it.
	Good Morning Britain or something.
	And she was like, yes, they use these terms like cucked and simped.
	And the boomer hosts were like, oh yes, tell us more about the incel community.
	They use cucked.
	Yeah, that sounds very much like her given the line she's now peddling.
	She's known by the BBC as the feminist barrister, she's a leading expert on gender-based violence, and she's a huge campaigner against FGM, which don't get me wrong, this part of it's very good.
	I would campaign against FGM any day of the week, so power to her for that.
	But unfortunately she's looking at the incel problem in a very narrow way.
	I don't think anyone would object to the idea of doing more to pick up on the warning signs of those with potentially murderous inclinations.
	I mean, duh.
	They're literally released videos beforehand that you can check out.
	Yeah.
	But does this apply to the majority of the incel community?
	That's the question.
	And I think the only way you can find out is if you actually have a look at the forums that I imagine she's targeting.
	So if we could get Incelnet up here.
	Spot the misogyny.
	Sorry, it's just so funny.
	Spot the misogyny.
	Right.
	So what we got here?
	We got some pin posts.
	Incel tiers is fake news.
	Report feature.
	Female femcels.
	Generation Y. Are these misogynists, or are they just extremely unhappy, perhaps even depressed men, who feel like they're being, well, at least from their perspective, denied a social good that everyone else has except for them?
	Yeah, why can't I get laid?
	Why don't girls like me?
	That's it.
	As you see John typing there, that MI5 smashing down the doors.
	Because we've been on incel.net.
	Don't worry, it's an archive link, MI5. For me, it's no wonder why forms like this exist, given how sex is constantly presented across popular culture as something that's infinitely available.
	This is a truth that only applies to a very, very small minority of men, who are lucky enough to be that attractive, and all women, probably.
	But anyway, the natural response, I suppose, if you take that view, is to feel slightly betrayed when you've been grown up with these expectations, looking at Hollywood movies that make it honestly look like this is something that everyone could enjoy, and then you realise that actually the game works very differently.
	Sorry, just in my head, I'm thinking back to, like, the...
	You know, if you go onto an ISIS-sympathising board, what's going to be that?
	I mean, it's going to be videos of terrorism and be like, yeah, this is based, you know, Death of the Kufar, all the rest of it.
	Not, hey, women won't date me.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's not...
	No, these things are just two different things on different planets.
	And what more than that, what do you think is going to facilitate...
	is more likely to facilitate...
	Ting the insights.
	LAUGHTER Get off Tinder, for goodness sake.
	Could you imagine, like, you know, jihadists talking like this?
	I went on muslimsmeet.com.
	Why don't girls like me?
	That's why I joined ISIS. I don't think it is.
	I think we can see from this that the overwhelming majority of people who use these forums use them more often than not as places to either make peace with their frustrations or perhaps just to be consoled by others or to console others, just because I suppose they have a moral conscience of how hard it is.
	They just see themselves to be naturally unlucky, having received a bad loss on the gene pool front.
	I just want to be, yeah, consoled.
	Well, that's the weird thing.
	Elliot Rodgers and the other chap, I feel like if they just did themselves up, they'd look a lot better than they do.
	I mean, Elliot...
	I've seen enough forum posts of people who fancy Elliot Rodger to know that he's not I mean he's short but below average in height but his facial structure is fine but he's not ugly in the slightest I mean what was putting women off was his personality when you're going to refer to yourself as the supreme gentleman constantly they're probably going to think this guy's Maybe.
	I've got the place to be.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, if we look at the next one, which admittedly is very old, this is one that is more of a hotbed for catastrophizing.
	This is called Women Can Only Love Chad.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so Chad's the attractive guy.
	Yeah, the clues in the name.
	Granted, it's pretty old, but the discussions, at least to me, don't seem to be all that misogynistic, as in there's no women-hating involved.
	It's more just a hatred for the game, if anything.
	I think, for a start, subreddits like this are not good, in the slightest.
	But only because they're actually more harmful to men than they probably are to women.
	Well, because...
	The British response to that, though, is just ban it.
	There's a place where people are meeting and complaining at each other.
	Yeah, well, that's not good, so ban it.
	What?
	This is not solves anything.
	Yeah, but I don't think that going on places like this and seeing other people catastrophize about how awful everything is is going to improve your chances of being happy or...
	No, it's not going to make your personality any better.
	No, it's not.
	So, yeah, but in any case, it's quite a stretch to say that the people on these forums are...
	Look at these jihadists.
	Yeah.
	For the in-sold jihad...
	Yeah, I don't think that's still happening.
	I really wish we had the clip of her going on Good Morning Britain and being like, yes, they use Cucked and Simp and Normie.
	Did you actually happen to see the incel video that Vice put up featuring Elle Reeve?
	No.
	It's interesting, because if you look at this video, well, she basically creates quite an extreme reaction just from her presence.
	One of the guys on the video actually starts saying, I'm going to bomb a building or something like that.
	And she actually admitted after in the interview that she believes these men to be saying these things because she is present.
	That there's no actual genuine commitment to doing these things.
	It's more of a cry for help kind of thing towards women, or at least that's what she was alluding to.
	It's also not a great pick-up line.
	No, it isn't.
	I can't get laid, so I'm going to threaten this woman with a bombing unless she has sex with me.
	Yeah.
	Okay, sorry.
	Exactly, but the fact of the matter is, a lot of this rhetoric, whilst, don't get me wrong, some people are going to be neurotic enough to actually carry these things out, but you can't take an utterance like that and then think that these people immediately are capable of committing terrorism.
	Not least because the majority of people who say these things probably aren't going to do it, because if they were going to do it, they would conceal it to themselves, would they not?
	Isn't it more a cry for help rather than...
	Most terrorists don't announce that, yeah, I'm going to do this terrorism tomorrow.
	No, exactly.
	Hijack these planes at this place.
	So to say, listen to these men and then assume that they're potential terrorists is a considerable overreach.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, diagnosing a belief in incel culture as extremism, I think, is what is in pretty bad faith.
	Not least because she completely ignores some of the other things on the internet that actually prey on men's frustrations.
	And actually, it must make a virtue out of doing it.
	Such as, I'm not sure if you've heard of this, the infamous female dating strategy site.
	If we could get this up now.
	So these are the femcels?
	These are not the femcels, no.
	Who are they?
	This is, I imagine, a feminist dating site, based entirely on enabling women to take control, this is a direct quote, take control of their dating lives.
	Okay.
	In other words, it's a site that offers guidance for women who want to manipulate and frustrate men for sociopathic pleasure.
	That sounds awful.
	And it is.
	Isn't this quite literally the sort of thing that facilitates misogyny?
	And on top of that, wouldn't that make misogyny actually seem like a natural reaction if women are conspiring to make your life worse?
	I mean, if these guys are literally advocating for, yeah, we want women to be terrible to men, and then, well, yeah, the natural response would be men thinking that women are terrible.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the way they want the rules to be is in plain sight, really.
	They want the ability to sexually frustrate men, in effect, for their own entertainment, whilst pointing the finger back at the male essence, really, when it all goes wrong.
	I mean, if Charlotte was actually genuinely committed to dealing with the problem of incel culture, surely she would trace it back to sites like this that are quite literally facilitating these resentful attitudes.
	Well, she also wouldn't go on live TV and say cucked is an incel word.
	Yeah, again.
	She doesn't know anything.
	I'm going to have to see that.
	But this, if anything, is the opposite of toxic masculinity, isn't it?
	It's toxic femininity.
	It's quite literally the feminine being used as a mean of manipulating the masculine.
	I'm very conscious of the fact that I'm probably sounding like a gender queer theorist at the moment.
	I'll have to stop.
	Yeah.
	But it's encouraging women to make men feel inferior on purpose so as to make them want more.
	That's pretty much the moral code of this site.
	That's how they think that the dating game should work for women, and if I'm being perfectly honest...
	It's pretty sick, actually.
	Yeah, but also if the incel forum is terrorism, then this would also reach that threshold of being a place of misogyny.
	Well, misandry.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So if she's serious about curtailing potential incel terrorism, which has happened, it is something that, needless to say, is a terrible thing when it does.
	She's got to start looking at some of the things at the ground level that are facilitating the resentment.
	She could start, for example, by investigating why some men are going to the extent of identifying With their involuntary celibacy, like a self-fulfilling prophecy that they objectively can never get laid.
	My advice to incels would be to say stop identifying as an incel in your life.
	It'd probably change considerably.
	You could also look at why university campus culture in all of these cases has been cited in every...
	Has been cited by the perpetrator as a motivation for why they've conducted these killings.
	Perhaps there's something the universities are doing wrong here.
	Sorry, I'm just reading some of this text as well, and it's just absurd.
	I mean, that one there.
	Men always know, no matter what women struggle, childbirth, pregnancy, periods, child rearing, etc., we need to let go of the idea that men don't understand us, they do.
	No, we don't.
	We will never understand you.
	No.
	No.
	Christ, I'm not going to be popular at the end of this.
	By some.
	But no, she could also, and I think this doesn't really get a lot of attention from the feminist side, but she could actually at least acknowledge how appallingly dating applications encourage women to treat men.
	Yeah, with this being an example.
	With this being an example.
	Yeah.
	And needless to say, most obvious of all is the effect that this was the institutional hatred of the male essence that we seem to have assumed is true, at least in humanities departments, has on the morale of men.
	I've got personal experience with this, which I won't declare here, but nonetheless, I do know that it isn't easy if you happen to be comprised of the unholy trinity, which I think the viewers know what that is.
	On a practical level, do you actually think something like this could ever be effective?
	Anti-Incel.
	Well, if you were quite literally to remove all of the little platoons on the internet where incels find solitude, you actually think this is going to make these terror attacks less frequent or more frequent.
	You're also proposing something that can't be done, which is the stopping of people talking to each other.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Never going to happen.
	Yeah.
	But if you're going to double down on quashing that, then I would speculate that it would actually get worse, given that the frustrations aren't going to be put out there.
	Amongst these forums, I'm sure, there are probably some rational people who would say, look, calm down, do something different, let's get off this site.
	Lift.
	Yeah.
	Or whatever else.
	Yeah.
	If you move that away, you stop communicative, rational, moral discourse from happening.
	So you could actually...
	It could lead to worsening of the situations, but yeah.
	Another thing, it sounds like a potential waste of public money if she actually wants to institutionalise this.
	So, sorry Charlotte, back to the drawing board.
	Yeah.
	I can't get over it.
	As I mentioned, we'll have to find it.
	I'll show you the clip afterwards of the Good Morning Britain thing.
	But there's also, like, we did a segment.
	We ended up not releasing it because of reasons I can't go into here.
	But there were literally just a bunch of memes being shared with the home office about incels.
	Yes, there's this incel meme and this incel meme.
	And we need to ban these memes.
	What?
	What the hell are you talking about?
	Oh, dear.
	Save it for another time.
	Let's talk about MPs who decided to have a laugh at the British public whilst deciding to extend the Coronavirus Act in the UK because pandemic never ends.
	When would it?
	When is it going to end?
	Seriously.
	They don't want it to.
	2025?
	2030?
	30-30?
	Yeah.
	I mean, literally.
	So this is the video here.
	As you can see, John, it clipped some of it here.
	And the quote I have from this was that this is them deciding to pass the Coronavirus Act without a vote.
	So what they do in the British Parliament is yeas, people shout yay, nos, people shout no, and then they take a rough guess if it's obvious, and if not, then they do the vote.
	And this is the clip.
	So let's play this clip.
	The question is motion number four as on the order paper.
	As many as are of that opinion say aye.
	Aye!
	Of the contrary, no.
	Aye!
	Could I have the no's again?
	No!
	I'm afraid, I fear, the mood of the House is not to have a vote on this.
	I do understand.
	I think the Honourable Gentleman would have to rustle up a few more people to really get the sense that we required a vote when we do.
	I'm sure they will.
	So I think the ayes have it, the ayes have it.
	Thank you.
	Just completely out of touch.
	Body language and demeanor, in my opinion.
	So if we go back to the clip you had up there, John, like, I don't know if I'll come up here, but I tried to count just the firstly the number of the MPs, and it was roughly, I don't know, 31 turned up for this debate at all.
	That was it.
	So most of them not there.
	I have some sympathy with the Speaker that it's obvious who's won that, because they're MPs.
	So you've got Desmond Suede and the five guys who are on his side, presumably, saying no versus the rest of them, and the debate is going to be obvious.
	But the laughing, the having fun with a situation like this, I think is completely inappropriate.
	You're talking about lockdowns.
	You're talking about mask mandates.
	These completely illiberal things we would not have tolerated two years ago, and then we would never have tolerated, we swore, and then, well, they happened.
	You'd have expected a more somber attitude.
	Yes.
	I mean, if this was a bill about preventing rape and murder or something, no one would be laughing about, haha, isn't it obvious that it's packed?
	No, it's completely inappropriate.
	Anyway, so the response to this has been interesting.
	So if we go to the first link so we can get the Labour response, because Labour had an opinion on this, what was it?
	Well, it doesn't go far enough.
	We should have been able to debate this so we could institute it more, as in make the Coronavirus Act worse.
	So if we get the link up, John, to the next one here, you have Apsana Begum MP. The UK has some of the highest COVID hospitalisation rates in the world.
	Yet today, MPs were denied a vote on the Coronavirus Act.
	It should have been repealed and replaced with clear measures to protect lives.
	Instead, the government are walking us towards a COVID winter disaster.
	That's the complaint.
	Not that the Coronavirus Act is tyrannical, all the rest of it.
	Not even just, eh, okay, it's a necessary evil.
	No, the Labour position is that it doesn't go far enough.
	It's not tyrannical enough.
	No, we need more tyranny.
	Right.
	Thanks for that, Islamo Labour.
	Let's move on.
	So if we go to the next one, we have the sort of freedom movement response.
	So David Curtin being a nice easy example for this, the leader of the Heritage Party, and UK, Reform UK, these kind of groups, so these guys.
	So they would say, as David has here, Parliament has passed an extension of the Coronavirus Act with no vote, and with the small number of MPs who actually bother to turn up, they're treating it like a bit of a joke.
	The people will not forget this disdain for freedom.
	Absolutely true by David there.
	And yeah, the freedom lot won't.
	But the Labour lot we have to share the country with apparently do not give a toss.
	The Conservative response to this, because they're in government, was particularly...
	So Steve Baker here.
	Steve Baker is a...
	I'm going to say intelligent parliamentarian.
	Let's leave it at that.
	And he gave us the nitty-gritty legalization of this kind of thing instead of just talking about tyranny and whatnot.
	So he said in here, the Coronavirus Act gave the government sweeping powers to introduce measures in response to COVID-19 pandemic, such as closing businesses, schools, and restricting gatherings.
	Those powers to the powers to this under the Coronavirus Act have now been removed by the government.
	However, these powers in the Coronavirus Act were not used by the government to implement the lockdowns and restrictions.
	Overwhelmingly, significant restrictions introduced in response to COVID-19, including the lockdowns, restrictions on social gathering, the closing of businesses and mandatory mask wearing, have been implemented under the Public Health Act 1984.
	Had to be 1984, didn't it?
	Of course it does.
	So, him making the point there that apparently, okay, no, you actually have this all in the Public Health Act anyway, so that's his real enemy, and he says that's why I'm campaigning for a new Public Health Act and so forth, and okay, well, good, because that shouldn't be there.
	But also, it doesn't really make sense.
	Like, you've got all these things in the Coronavirus Act and all of them in the Public Health Act.
	Well, okay, then both of them need killing.
	Not just one of them.
	Obviously.
	I don't know where he was for this vote.
	I didn't see him in there, but it's hard to tell because it's grainy footage, so he might have been.
	I don't want to say he wasn't because he very well might have been.
	I don't know.
	Anyway, so you have all of this taking place, and at the same time, we have this vote on it.
	Technically, there was.
	They did say aye and no, but that's about it.
	So whilst this is all going on, of course, everyone in the institution is trying to drum up fear, as usual.
	So if we go to the Guardian article on this, independent plan B winter measures now risk NHS crisis.
	Johnson warned, it's going to be a crisis, folks.
	It's going to be the worst thing ever.
	Winter's going to...
	Everyone's going to die.
	Just like last time, when everyone died.
	No.
	Didn't happen.
	Anyway.
	So if we go to the next one, we have the time reporting on this as well.
	Everything's under control.
	It says PM, despite rising COVID cases.
	Rising COVID cases across the country.
	People dying left, right, and center.
	It's worse than it's ever been.
	And yet, PM does nothing.
	Where is he?
	Anyway.
	We continue.
	We get the next one up.
	We have someone trying to virtue signal over this.
	So this is them standing for the death of David Amess, and they tried to compare the left versus the right here.
	As you can see, you have the left-wing parties, because the SMP, Greens, it's all the same thing, it's just leftists.
	And they're all wearing their masks, whereas the dirty right-wingers, no masks.
	You know, this is the first time I've seen Jessica Seymour not virtually signalling still about Brexit.
	Oh, is she famous for doing that?
	Oh, notorious.
	Notorious.
	Yeah, well, you can see her here trying to virtually signalling.
	Oh, they wear the mask, they care about lives, unlike the right-wingers who just want to kill people with their breathing.
	Anyway, this obviously doesn't make any bloody sense, and we can demonstrate that just with pictures of Labour Party Conference, in which you can see all of those people, all of those MPs.
	Spot one mask.
	Two weeks ago?
	Something like that?
	And this hall had like thousands and thousands of people.
	They're just the front benches.
	All those ones who were then wearing masks in Parliament because scary COVID. Yeah, not so scary at Labour Conference.
	But also gets worse because, of course, they also went out clubbing.
	So if we go to the next one here, you've got Sidi Khan out clubbing with Dawn Butler, another MP. Both of them, well, Dawn Butler wearing a little dimmy mask in there.
	But Sadiq Khan, also being a guy who implements a mask mandate in London, and then goes off and goes clubbing with his friends.
	Right.
	So whilst everyone in London on the public transport is still forced to wear their masks.
	The other morally consistent, Mr Khan.
	Yes.
	Doesn't give a toss.
	And there's also discussions, so if we go to the next one, we have GB News reporting on the debate about whether or not masks should become mandatory again, because, ooh, fear.
	Ooh, don't you know?
	Everyone's dying.
	Loads of cases.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Well, this isn't the only people who are also ignoring their mask mandates, of course.
	We go to America for a minute.
	We have Joe Biden, who was also caught violating his own mask mandate because none of them care.
	Their own actions show that they do not care about the risks to them.
	Their choice.
	I'm all for personal freedom, but they're not.
	So if we just go to the numbers, the spooky scary numbers, so we get the next one up, so we have the official statistics.
	As you can see there, 86% people have had the first dose, and 78% second dose.
	You may have noticed that the first dose holds around 80, even though tens of thousands of people keep getting it, and you'll notice it's because now it says percentage of population age 12+.
	They keep lowering the age for people getting vaccines, so then the percentage stays there.
	So that's just a reason for that.
	But as you can see, we have people testing positive deaths.
	If you can scroll down, you can see a lot more of those statistics.
	Oh, they're all going up.
	Those two are going up.
	If we can go back and scroll down, you can see the other two going up as well.
	Virus testing.
	Patients admitted.
	Yeah, okay, look.
	Seriously, come on.
	Look at the statistics.
	Everything's going up.
	Couldn't be worse.
	Everything's going to get much worse.
	Except, you know, you can just click on the button that says all data.
	And I don't know why the media thought people wouldn't.
	So if we go to the next one here, we just have the full data for this one of people testing positive.
	If you scroll down to get the graph itself, you can see there's not no peak.
	It's up because there's a lot of testing.
	And there wasn't a lot of testing before.
	And if we go to the next one, we just have the people.
	I think this one is dying from COVID. And if we scroll down on this, you can see the graph again.
	Oh dear.
	My narrative.
	Yeah, something doesn't quite add up, does it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's almost like it's full of S. All these people are full of S. Every damn time.
	Almost as if it's just a load of hot air being blown.
	Yeah.
	I think this one, what is it?
	This is the death.
	I don't know what percentage of that compared to peak it is.
	You know, now that we're thinking about bringing in mask mandates, maybe we need another lockdown.
	I saw the government said they're ruling out another lockdown.
	I don't know who believes that.
	Did you see Neil Oliver's snippet on the culture, on our addiction to fear on GB News?
	No, I didn't.
	No, well, he's basically claiming that it's becoming increasingly hard to argue against, what was it, certain conspiracy theories that are being peddled by anti-vaxxers because we actually seem to be sleepwalking into a culture of...
	Fear that we're actually getting some comfort out of.
	From being scared.
	Hence, well, people still wearing masks despite the fact that they're not, in most cases, the slightest effective.
	Unless you're on the tube or in a hospital.
	Well, they have a role to play, but how they are used can destroy that role.
	Exactly.
	If you're not wearing a proper mask and instead just doing...
	But more often than not, they're not being used in a way that adheres to common sense.
	No.
	So, I mean, like, the filters, people.
	I saw a woman the other day walking down in Swindon, and she was wearing an N95 mask, like the proper ones, though.
	But with the filter, I'm like, lady, if you've got it, you're giving it to everyone.
	Whatever.
	Anyway, so we go to the next one here.
	You have the patients.
	Maybe, because, I mean, deaths are usually two weeks behind, as I mentioned to Carl when he brings up that.
	Come on, it's two weeks behind.
	It could be worse.
	Well, we can look at hospital admissions.
	Again, my narrative down the drain here, because we can just look at the data, because the data is public.
	I don't know why the press and the government seem to think...
	That it's not.
	And as you can see, I think the calculator was, it's a quarter of peak, and yet we're discussing lockdowns again, or mask mandates.
	I'm so sick of this.
	Anyway, so let's go on to the mask theatre, because the fact that you will have to wear masks is not unique to Britain.
	We have Ireland next door.
	The Irish will have to wear masks in nightclubs in all circumstances, other than if they are drinking or dancing.
	Pfft!
	You're in a nightclub, for one.
	I don't think the mask is doing that much in this environment.
	So you don't...
	So hang on.
	But if you're taking Jagerbombs with your friends, cheers, go for it.
	Then it's fine.
	COVID doesn't care about that.
	If you're dancing as well, COVID don't touch you either.
	I mean, this is like the curfews they tried to do.
	They were like, yeah, after 10 o'clock, COVID disappears.
	When you're dancing, COVID disappears as well.
	Would it be impermissible to say that this is one of the most Irish polities I've ever heard?
	I don't know much about Irish politics, to be honest.
	Never mind.
	I'll pick up on that again later.
	Well, I'm interested in that, actually.
	Well, I suppose it's the stereotype that they just like drink, I suppose.
	If you drink and do what you want.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I suppose.
	Anyway, so we'll carry on with this.
	There was also a clip I saw going around on COVID, which is there's a guest on Joe Rogan's podcast who decided to just enlighten the Americans to the world outside of America.
	And he gave a statement in here to Joe Rogan's audience, which is that, well, more than 70% of the deaths in the UK are from people who are double-vaxxed.
	17%?
	70.
	70.
	More than 70% of the deaths are from people who are double-vaccinated.
	Hmm.
	I don't know if you remember the statistic before.
	It's about 70% of the population that are double-vaccinated.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Those proportions.
	If 70% of the population are double vaccinated, you might say, well, you know, you'd expect them to be making up more of the deaths.
	Yeah, but in exact proportions?
	Surely less, because the vaccine gives you great coverage from dying from it.
	Yeah, that would make sense.
	Hmm.
	No, apparently not.
	I'd try to check this out, and if we go to the next one, we've got the data itself, and yeah, true.
	So if we ignore the first dose, because it's statistically inconsistent, Statistically insignificant, as with the unlinked.
	And you can see two graphs there.
	So one being the people who have died who are not vaccinated.
	If you can go back to the graphs, please.
	And then you have the graphs of...
	Sorry, if you can get the graphs up.
	So you've got the people who are not vaccinated and dying.
	And then you have the graph of their second dose over 14 days before specimen date.
	So the people who are dying, double vaccinated.
	And you just run the numbers.
	And yeah, it's like...
	If you just take those two comments, it's 78%.
	of people who are dying from COVID in this period given, died while being double-vaxxed.
	Just interesting.
	If we go to the next graph on here, because I think that one's actually more relevant for people trying to understand this.
	So if you hit next, you can see the graph here.
	Deaths within 28 days and deaths within 60 days of a positive test.
	Again, positive test.
	They could have hit by a bus, but this is the data we have.
	And you can see the vaccine working.
	It does its job.
	If you're 80 +, 70, 60, 50, there's a big difference there between the chance of death.
	Significant.
	Getting down to 18, can you see...
	No.
	Do you see a bar at all?
	Where's the bar?
	It's just not there.
	You'd have to zoom in on it to see it.
	Yeah, I mean, this is why our local health authority were concerned about the government's actions trying to give 12-year-olds a jab.
	Yeah, so it does its job on the upper brackets where you would expect it to do its job.
	And, yep, we still have that problem because, of course, variants and all the rest of it.
	Anyway, thought I'd just leave that there for people to have a look at, and then we'll just move on.
	yeah there's also some horrible news so the app people were downloading that everyone was like don't download that because the government's gonna spy on you yeah government's gonna spy on you and they admit they're spying on you so you see here there's the uk government admitting that it's de facto the app will collect data on your race or ethnic origin political opinions religious or philosophical beliefs trade union membership also a natural person's sex life or sexual orientation but don't worry Trust us, bro.
	However, our systems cannot access or process this data.
	We note it here to support transparency.
	Oh, that's reassuring, isn't it?
	I'm so reassured.
	Whoa, we don't look at that data.
	Ah, come on.
	We're the government.
	We would never do anything about fishy.
	Come on.
	We're so sensible.
	We would never abuse our powers to look at people's trading.
	So we basically want to know everything about you in your private life.
	And don't worry...
	We'll only use it when we know we're justified in doing so.
	Trust us, we'll never use it.
	Never, ever.
	Never.
	Trust us.
	I mean, at the same time, this is coming out with the COVID passport stuff, because if they implement that, then you would have to download the app and use it to go to restaurants and all the rest of it.
	And as they say, we'll de facto collect that information on you.
	And you've just got to trust them.
	They would never do it, they swear.
	Anyway, so if we go to the next one here, we just have the number of people who have downloaded this.
	It's apparently about 40% of the country, so...
	We know what percentage of the country will just do anything, I guess.
	And then I thought we'd just check what Boris Johnson's up to.
	So we've got the next one on this.
	We have Boris talking about greenery.
	So Britain's face higher taxes to pay for eco-pledges.
	This is a carbon tax apparently being flowed.
	Right.
	Fantastic.
	Okay, great.
	Let's go to the next one.
	And we can just see somebody talking about this.
	There should be a link to Boris Johnson's Twitter page.
	I think I got it in the No, it's there.
	I can see the proposed carbon.
	Anyway, I'll just talk about it then.
	So anyway, it's the proposed carbon tax, as I mentioned, but there's also Boris Johnson striking a deal with Bill Gates for £400 million for green technology.
	I mean, that's what he's up to these days.
	And then also there was his Twitter page, and I was going to just scroll through his Twitter page, because it's just unbelievable that everything he talks about is just, yeah, so windmills.
	What?
	Like, was this it?
	Was this literally, was that all of his manifesto?
	It was get Brexit done and then win?
	Right, I don't think people were that interested in the green stuff.
	I mean, I'm not.
	But he is.
	So, we'll move on from that.
	But then we'll just launch in the last thing.
	In case you think these people are taking you seriously for a minute, let's just end it on the Transgender Admiral of the Year.
	So, Dr.
	Ravine Levin, Assistant Secretary for Health at the HHS, has been appointed a four-star Admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps.
	I don't know if this is a normal thing.
	I don't know what's wrong with Americans.
	No, that would depend on what her pedigree is in this field, wouldn't it?
	But also, like, she's some health secretary assistant.
	You give her a medal and tell her to be on her way if you're getting rid of her.
	You don't make her an admiral.
	No.
	I say her because, of course, this is a transgender individual, which...
	I can't say what she looks like, can I? No.
	I had a video comment that did that a while back and it's unbelievably remarkable.
	One kind of a promotion in any case.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Let's see if you can guess what she looks like.
	Scroll down on this.
	You can see the person in question.
	Benjamin...
	Frank?
	No, no.
	We'll leave that there.
	Anyway, so that's the four-star Admiral, and if we go to the last one on this, it's just...
	That's the military service, as you can see on her Wikipedia page.
	From this day, basically.
	Yes.
	Allegiance, United States.
	Branch service, United States Public Health Service.
	Fantastic.
	Served in the trenches of public health.
	Years of service, 2021 to present.
	Rank Admiral.
	The rest is in safe hands.
	They're not taking us seriously.
	They're just laughing at us at this point.
	There's no way you could do this with a straight face.
	No.
	I thought we'd just end that there.
	So let's move on to H3H3. Yes, H3H3. Regressively, it seems that Ethan Klein has decided to try to cancel Jordan Peterson, or as good as.
	And despite having interviewed, of course, Jordan Peterson in 2017 to cast a light on the hysteria being peddled about his resistance to Bill C-16...
	H3H3's Ethan Klein has decided to posture his allegiance with the woke zeitgeist at Jordan's expense.
	Now before we look at this unashamed pandering, which makes for pretty difficult viewing, it'll probably be...
	Are you providing a trigger warning because it's cringe?
	Trigger warning, it's really cringe.
	Let's first take a glance at the nature of the debate in 2017 when they were on the subject of the humongous incident.
	This person came and asked him his name and he didn't know who she was and he made this joke.
	And then she went completely crazy and really tore a strip off him.
	I mean, it was like she didn't, she wasn't paying any attention to the actual reality of the situation.
	I mean, I think you went and interviewed him in the corner store where he worked, wasn't that right?
	Yes, yeah.
	Yeah, so he's this like working class guy, he's in a corner store, he doesn't know what the hell's going on, all of a sudden this hyper-intellectual radical feminist just jumps on him and just has a fit.
	It's like...
	Nobody's ready for that.
	No, well, yeah.
	Hardly anybody enjoys it either.
	That's a funny thing.
	And then I followed up what happened after that, you know, with your fundraiser, which I thought was really cool, and also with her sort of justification videos.
	And I used her as an example of someone who was basically possessed by ideology.
	You know, because as far as I was concerned when I was watching her, there was almost no person there at all.
	There was just endless...
	Verbal outpourings of a formulaic view of the world, and she was willing to put this guy through hell.
	She never looked at him at all, not even once, really, to figure out who he was.
	That's why I call it the cult of outrage, because it does feel more like a cult.
	People don't really have outrage.
	They're addicted to outrage, and they don't really think about It's not rational.
	It's just they're possessed, I think.
	Well, you get possessed by ideas, you know?
	Let's read the comment, eh?
	Yeah, that's the second video.
	But this was a time when H3H3 was actually more than watchable.
	It wasn't...
	Yeah, and you can see the amazing...
	Yeah.
	It, for the most part, sustained an apolitical lens.
	It quite liked poking fun at wokers, if you like, social justice warriors, as they were more known then.
	When they were acting hysterically, and needless to say, you'd be a very, very good lawyer to launch a defense of, what's her name?
	The humongous lady.
	The lady.
	The lady, yeah.
	Not humongous.
	Yeah.
	For people who might not be familiar with that incident, it's amazing.
	You should go back, you're missing out on a gem if you are, but most people will be.
	But the amazing thing I found interesting was, you've seen it, I presume.
	I have.
	So it's a lady who's, some guy comes out, he disagrees with her on building some police building or something, and he's like, yeah, what's your name?
	And he's like, wow, humongous.
	And then she's like, that's sexual harassment.
	But the funny thing was, when he mentions that it was like there's no person there, that's true, but it was the fact that she didn't care what was true at all.
	She was only looking for a tactic, which is, how do I shut this guy down?
	I'll just call him a sexual arouser.
	Yeah, she quite literally became an instrument for a political idea.
	And almost just surrendered to that, as in all of her agency to that.
	She wasn't even engaging with what he was saying.
	It was like she consciously and willfully gave up her own personality.
	Yeah, exactly.
	To be a political instrument.
	And as I suppose you would do if you were, I suppose, a comic podcast...
	Is just trying to make light of this and have a discussion with someone who actually, you know, has not only experience with these sorts of people, but is willing to have a laugh about it in a rational way as well.
	I mean, you have to in face of people like this.
	But anyway, he's arrived at a very different position, or at least so it seems.
	He's gone from poking fun at incredulous behavior and then almost being incredulous himself, as we will see in this video here.
	Let's read the comments, eh?
	What the hell are we going to do without men?
	What are we gonna do without men?
	What are we going to do without men?
	What in the country club is this?
	It's not easy only Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally, whereas a man is only loved under the condition that he provides something.
	Paste.
	It gets worse.
	Bro, do you know what year it is?
	I'm pretty sure, like, almost 100% of all households both parents work.
	You can hear the emotion in his voice, a man truly fighting for us.
	This is a man fighting for me.
	Where would we be without beautiful hard bodies?
	He's devolved.
	He's in the sewer.
	Where is a man to save me?
	I'm stuck in a sewer.
	It's too deep, Jordan.
	Go back.
	I'm stuck in a sewer.
	Somebody call a man to come get me out of here.
	It's poopy water.
	You can't be in there, Jordan.
	Oh, I see a woman.
	No, no.
	Send a man.
	I don't want help from a woman.
	I'm deep undercover.
	Oh, what the hell?
	It goes even deeper.
	Here he is as Super Saiyan during his speech.
	What the fuck?
	We've met some of your fans, and we got the impression they were all male fans, the ones that we talked to, and that they were struggling with their manhood, and that you give them this message that it's okay to be a man.
	It's not okay.
	It's necessary.
	It's not okay.
	What the hell are we going to do without men?
	Yeah, he's acting like he's someone he's never even met.
	You had a podcast with the dude.
	Also, he's making valid points, obviously.
	I know there are a lot of Jordan Peterson memes, and I enjoy them myself, but the point that you need men, of course you do.
	The point that he said, oh, he's in the sewer, oh, they'd send a woman.
	Well, what a percentage chance that a woman is going to come and work in the sewers?
	We know, by the applications.
	Zilch.
	It's minuscule compared to the men who will do it.
	Also, your internet connection, buddy.
	All the rest of it.
	It's just so obvious.
	I mean, the tone of this, I don't even want to call it coverage, because it's not.
	It's just childish.
	It's childish, and it's mean-spirited, to be quite frank.
	And I'm not, of course, not trying to say there should be a cap on humour, because no one can, of course, make that claim.
	But he must have known, or he must know, that Jordan Peterson went for a quite serious personal crisis, which led to him disappearing from the public eye for a very long time.
	To present him as a washed-up, zombified sewer rat, like he just did, is really egregious.
	Yeah, I don't think he's just having fun with the memes.
	I think it is a representation of like, haha, you know, he's mocking the main thing of Jordan Peterson, which is his messages for men, essentially.
	Yeah, and not only that, he's doubling down on beating men up and beating up a man who is trying to make a defense of men who are being beaten up.
	And in turn, he's pandering to those who want to take the mick out of Peterson.
	And this is what this is all about.
	It's just virtue signaling.
	Yeah.
	I love the idea that men have to provide something.
	Well, don't you know that there are many households that are both working?
	Yes, so what?
	The woman could stop working if the man made enough normal care.
	It doesn't address the point whatsoever that men are not unconditionally loved.
	I'm not that familiar with Ethan Klein.
	Or at least I wasn't...
	I enjoyed watching his coverage of the humongous stuff and other things as well.
	I'm sure I've seen.
	But from what I've heard, he's basically subjected himself to a complete reconceptualisation of everything that he is and everything that H3H3 should do since George Floyd's killing, which applies for a lot of media outlets.
	He's turned out to be a complete and utter snake.
	There's no other way of saying it, really.
	I mean, for a start, he released an awful video about his experience with the police, basically claiming that he got off lightly for underage drinking or something like that entirely because he was white.
	Was this during George Floyd's riots?
	It was in the aftermath of that, yes.
	It was just a massive grand gesture about, I know what white privilege is.
	That's what that was about, essentially.
	And he's also the person responsible for another YouTuber, Keemstar, losing his sponsorship with G Fuel.
	After claiming that Keemstar was responsible for another YouTuber, Etika's suicide.
	And it was something along...
	I think Keemstar was...
	Yeah, well, Keemstar, apparently this is a second-hand source.
	But Keemstar basically interviewed Etika and asked the question in a rather brash way.
	If you're feeling bad in yourself, how come you're still here?
	And Ethan Klein basically doubled down on that by basically saying, after Etika had sadly committed suicide, that you are in effect responsible and that you should lose your sponsorship for it.
	And ultimately, Keemstar did lose his sponsorship with G Fuel.
	It doesn't seem to make sense.
	No.
	I can see some of the chat being like, well actually, does Ethan Klein even get white privilege?
	No.
	I mean, according to the critical race theorists, the answer's no.
	Anyone preaching about it is either not looking outside of the paradigm they're trying to impose, or is just virtue signaling and knows nothing.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm not surprised that...
	Because, again, like I mentioned to you before we started, like, I used to watch some of his stuff when...
	Probably about the humongous time or whatever on occasion, but just since not too interested.
	But then the only thing I seem to see coming out of him is, like, that incident with Crowder, where they invite Crowder on.
	Crowder was like, yeah, I've got a position that we should question the data, and you have the position that we should trust the scientists because they know more than us, and we shouldn't question it.
	It was a weird debate topic, but whatever.
	And then he just had that Sam Cedar guy come on and represent him instead in a trap, and I was just like, yeah, but that's just dishonorable.
	Regardless of what you think of Crowded, that's you smearing yourself in dirt, being a dishonorable individual.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, he's also arguably a thief as well.
	I mean, do you remember the FUPA fund that he started?
	No.
	When he was...
	Well, he was basically...
	He was in any...
	What was it?
	A copyright lawsuit with Matt Hoss, which he ultimately won, but he basically asked for funding from his own supporters and said that once, with the money left over, he would actually invest it in basically keeping this fund up to help other YouTubers.
	I suppose less, not as big as his, with copyright claims.
	And ever since his own case was resolved, he's done absolutely nothing with it.
	So depending on how much money he actually made, he pocketed all of that money that people had sent to him in good faith.
	Huh.
	Thank you.
	I didn't know that either.
	Yeah.
	Jesus Christ.
	So, stop watching Ethan Klein.
	That's...
	Stop watching H3H3. I mean, to be fair, I can't say anything positive about him because I just don't watch enough.
	But everything I've seen to be is stuff like this.
	Like I'm mentioning, where it's just like, what the hell are you doing, man?
	Yeah.
	I mean, he himself looks more of a washed-up snake than he tried to present Jordan Peterson as in that suit.
	I mean, look at him.
	What the hell is that hat?
	Yeah...
	Clean your room, mate, before you start criticising other people.
	You've seen Peterson's room.
	That's the kind of Peterson rooms I do enjoy.
	It doesn't really mock his ideology, though.
	You have to be an idiot to not understand the point.
	Yes, you should start with yourself.
	That's the point of cleaning your room.
	I'll still contest the idea that you can be beneficial to society and not be very good at looking after yourself.
	There are lots of examples of people who are terrible at looking after themselves and doing more for the greater good.
	It's a good place to start, though.
	It is a good place to start and there are more reasons for it too, yeah.
	Anyway, I suppose we should go to the video comments.
	Yeah.
	Hey guys, Joe.
	I'm originally from the Bronx.
	I moved to Pennsylvania right after 9-11.
	Anyway, this is where I live now.
	Oh, also, Sargon said that we have to go Anglo-Saxon, so that's...
	I'm normally bald.
	Anyway, check this out.
	Well, that's wholesome.
	Alright, it looks great.
	I'm jealous.
	I don't know what to say to that.
	I suppose the other question I've got in mind, I always hear about the Bronx in American movies being referenced all the time, but I have no idea what it is or what it's even like.
	No, I don't.
	Apparently it's where Ocasio-Cortez is from, but I keep hearing that she's not actually from there.
	It seems to be like a point of pride to Americans.
	I know I'm going to sound like such a foreigner to Americans right now, because I just have no idea.
	So, I mean, I'm going to ask him, because he's the chap to ask.
	Why is it so...
	I don't know if it's revered or not, but just, why is it talked about so much?
	Let's go to the next one.
	Hello, friends.
	If you've ever been interested about the differences between what's referred to as supernatural magic and the magic of the will, I'd definitely recommend reading Julius Evola and Friends' essay collection, Introduction to Magic, Volume 1.
	Julius Evola was an Italian esoterist, philosopher, and everything else under the sun you could attribute to him, and it's a really interesting book.
	Have a good one.
	Julia Savola is on my reading list.
	I promise I will get to it.
	Yeah.
	I keep getting recommendations for it as well, because every time people talk about him, he just sounds like a bit of an interesting lunatic.
	They're not saying that he's got mad ideas because I haven't read them, but I get told he's a bit mad.
	But also, there was some guy who came in who we interviewed, he was telling us, I think it was about Evola, or it was some other chap, but they were going around with pistols in the First World War, just wearing a cape into battle.
	They were just complete, just eccentric to the max.
	Yeah.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Since you're covering the Hundred Years of War, and it happens to be October as well, have you ever thought of covering the wolf attack that happened in Paris?
	There were many hundreds of wolves that happened outside of Notre Dame.
	It's a very interesting story as to how everything showed up and all that.
	And again, since it is the month of Halloween, it seems to match up.
	Check it out.
	Sorry, I was told about this before we started.
	I don't know anything about the subject.
	Apparently it's been sent to Bo because Bo's the one who does the e-book.
	So thanks for the recommendation, I suppose.
	That sounds interesting.
	Also, nice flex with the gun and the body armor.
	Go to the next one.
	Okay, since you guys showed a bit of an interest, I'm going to take a quick side path and point you towards, if you want to learn more about the difference between the Hebrews and the Jews, I'm going to point you towards Margaret Barkley.
	She's a really good Methodist scholar.
	She's British.
	She does really good work.
	She has a lot of good books on this.
	She's not the only one that touched on it.
	She just happens to be my favorite.
	So if you're interested in doing some more reading on your own, I recommend picking up her work.
	Alright, back to history.
	I googled Eleanor Parker, I got some American actress, so I'm going to have to go back and...
	Yeah, you have to try again.
	Anyway, thanks.
	Yeah, it's good to know.
	Merkel turned her own party into a Green Party light, which gave the actual Green Party a super easy argument.
	They're just going to do the same thing, better.
	And then there's the topic of proportional representation.
	It doesn't lead to extra arguments, discussion or even gridlock.
	Early on they're gonna sign a coalition contract and that coalition contract and when they do that they usually have a really easy time on agreeing on all the totalitarian stuff and a harder time on agreeing on all the stuff that actually might need to get done.
	It's essentially the worst of both worlds.
	Isn't the Green Party in Germany the only party that's actually against the Russian pipeline?
	I don't think about that.
	I know, it's not related to the question.
	I didn't pick up on one, but no.
	I was wondering why the Green Party is so expanding in Germany compared to anywhere else on the planet.
	And I suppose the explanation there being that the CDU decided to become Green Party light, and then it was just easy to prop up the Green Party.
	I mean, you can see it happening with Boris in real time right now.
	And it's the difference.
	I mean, again, I'm not a climate person, so I'm not hugely interested in the subject.
	But it very much comes off to me that there are two camps in that kind of debate.
	There is no one in the camp of destroy the planet.
	Don't be stupid.
	There are people in the conservation camp who want to conserve the environment that we have.
	And then there are like the sun worshippers who seem to think that basically just, yeah, okay, so global communism, kill all the humans, that'll solve the planet's problems.
	Yeah.
	Kumbaya.
	What are you talking about?
	People are goddamn mad.
	There's far too much leeway seeming to be given to those kind of lunatics compared to the ones who were just like, yeah, no, let's just not put trash in the water we drink if we can help it.
	Who's going to disagree with that?
	Nah, I'm for the tuberculosis campaign or something.
	I'd love to hear someone make the argument.
	LAUGHTER Population control or something.
	We'll get there one day, unfortunately, I'm sure.
	Yeah, see the next one.
	So yeah, I think I owe the community an apology for the golf ball-sized black pearl I gave you yesterday.
	But honestly, I had a lot of fun making the video.
	I'm quite proud of it.
	But it did get very dark very fast.
	So...
	Yeah, the next one I promise will be a little bit more fun and light-hearted, but not tonight.
	Tonight I'm tired.
	I'm gonna go home.
	See you guys.
	Enjoy your beer.
	I didn't see that video.
	Yeah, so that's Base Ape.
	I get confused with Minister of Base all the damn time, because everyone's Base.
	Anyway, so the video, he had to cut it down for the podcast, because we can't play the full thing, because it ends with some pretty spicy perspectives.
	Right.
	I mean, there's literally like a video from ISIS in there for 30 seconds.
	It's Jihadi John talking about things.
	Anyway, it was literally in the corner of the video, Base Ape, yeah, okay, yeah.
	And the...
	Yeah, it kind of was blackpilling, mate.
	But at the same time, I really like videos like that that are willing to go to the edge.
	So my only advice would be maybe make sure that you don't do that too often.
	Because if you get three strikes within a month on YouTube, you're gone.
	Yeah, eviscerated.
	You can afford to get a strike every now and again.
	How long do they last?
	Depends on how you get them.
	Some of them can last like a week, some a month.
	I've had a few over the years, so just try not to.
	I'm yet to get one, but I'm sure I'm on limited time.
	I've had like nine or something.
	Anyway, let's go to the next video.
	So firstly, this is Jack.
	He is 17 years old.
	He's a very good boy.
	It's good for 17.
	And the second thing is, yesterday, Callum, you asked why do some dogs' ears stick up and some stay down?
	And so my girlfriend has actually been a vet tech for over four years.
	So I decided to ask her that.
	And the response I got was something along the lines of, what are you, stupid?
	It's genetics.
	So there's your answer.
	And as a quick side note, a special thank you to the over 200 people who have subscribed to my Midpoint Mindset YouTube channel.
	Thank you so much.
	I'm upset with your girlfriend.
	That wasn't enlightening at all.
	I wanted to know the biological reasons why or something.
	I suppose it's like human ears.
	They're all weird shapes or whatever.
	Something like that.
	It's probably not interesting at all.
	I don't know why I'm talking about it.
	It's just something that was on my mind.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Hey guys!
	I'm in Iowa tonight, and I saw something here at the parking area I thought you might get a kick out of seeing.
	This is a single turbine blade for a big commercial windmill.
	See how far it goes across from the back of the truck?
	Gives you a pretty good perspective on them things, don't it?
	Yeah, that's awesome.
	It's huge.
	I saw...
	There seems to be a huge amount of problems with wind turbines.
	Like, unbelievable.
	Because...
	I don't know if it's just because of any technology or what, but the...
	I saw some article a while back, I think John put it in our group chat, which is that loads of the blades, ones that have to be decommissioned, are just getting buried in landfill.
	And it takes up a huge amount of space because, I mean, you see the size of the bloody thing.
	Because there's just no way of using it, apparently.
	They kill a lot of birds, too.
	There's the birds.
	There's the fact that they can set fire if they go too fast, or if the wind's not blowing enough, it just doesn't move.
	And when it's too fast, you've got to lock it.
	It can't be recycled, John's saying.
	But also, when it gets cold, and then they freeze, and then you have to get a helicopter, and go up and de-ice the wind turbine in your petrol-powered helicopter...
	It seems somewhat counterproductive, doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	Not to mention it's just so unreliable.
	Nuclear all the way is the solution to green problems, it seems, but no one cares.
	Anyway, my perspective on that.
	No, I don't disagree.
	Anyway, we're out of video comments, so let's go to the written comments on the site.
	Do you want to read the first section, then I'll do the second one?
	Yeah, of course.
	Right.
	So George Happ says,"...the demonisation of insults in the media is infuriating and no different than high school's bullying tactics." Talk about punching down 100%, George.
	I mean, could not agree more.
	There was a Messages for Men event that we went to, and there was a speaker there who actually was an insult, and he was just talking, you know, my perspective as an insult.
	And, yeah, I mean, you're getting a point there, which is that there's...
	It's people who've got, like, biological issues, let's say.
	That's where you could not have any more sympathy for these people.
	And the idea that this is some kind of boogeyman to be treated like a jihadi...
	What the hell is wrong with you?
	It's cynical, isn't it?
	But it's not just that.
	As he mentions, the lack of empathy for a fellow human being who's having a tougher time than you.
	And he's like, yeah, they're just basically a terrorist.
	Yeah.
	What a horrible thing to do to such people.
	Yeah.
	Just getting that basket of deplorables is very much the sentiment, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Alpha of the Bases says, if you're an incel, I've got some bad news.
	That's a quote from me.
	Lotus Eaters know their audience.
	I'm glad I can accommodate.
	Students of history, I'm going to be straight with this.
	Incels aren't terrorists.
	They're sad, lonely young men who need four things.
	A friend, a hug, a girl, and a group of people who can help lead them to a good path.
	If they follow all of that for a time, the incel label will most likely go away, 100%.
	But along with that, they need to stop identifying as incels because that's not going to help them either.
	Yeah, I can probably agree with that.
	Yeah, but no, I fully agree with that student of history.
	They're just people having a tough time finding a partner.
	Yeah, they are.
	And people just need to stop bullying them, to be quite frank.
	Lars Petters Simonsen says, How many of these incel terrorists were raised in a single parent's home with no dad present?
	I imagine a considerable number.
	I don't know.
	Would that make you an incel?
	No, but it would certainly...
	I would have thought we'd do the opposite.
	You get the high-crime children, usually the ones with no dad.
	If you grow up to be a heterosexual man and you don't have a father figure present, you've only got your mother, then you've almost got no bridge into how to even address...
	Relationships.
	A lot of people do refer to that.
	This is pure speculation.
	It's almost an intrinsic part of a father-son relationship when they start...
	At least it's...
	For a lot of people, from what I've heard, that you ask your dad about women and stuff like that.
	It's part of the bond.
	Did you not think?
	I didn't ask my dad.
	Do you want to have that conversation?
	As a matter of fact, I haven't either, but most people I know do do that.
	Moving on!
	Anyway, we'll come back to that maybe.
	Harry G-Man.
	Jake Davidson was a nut who refused to improve himself and became more desirable.
	No sympathy.
	How did he become more desirable?
	Sorry, I think refused to improve himself and to become more desirable.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Sorry, I misread that.
	My apologies.
	Yeah, that's why I found your perspective on Elliot Rogers, the fact that they were driven there.
	I can see the argument, but with him and Jake, both of them...
	Well, actually, Jake did say in his video before he did it that he's been lifting for a year or whatever it was.
	I mean, this is all in the midst of COVID lockdown as well, so it's a hell of a time for mental health, let's say.
	But the...
	The fact that, you know, just get a haircut, bro.
	Like, it was ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	It's just like, oh, come on.
	You can tell that some things you just improve yourself looks-wise, but it's the personality that fundamentally matters.
	Yeah, I mean, there is a lot of cowardice...
	With those chaps, I should say.
	Yeah, I mean, there are, needless to say, it sounds...
	The thought of punching down is, of course, hard, but there were a lot of things he could have done to improve his chances without needing to go on a murderous killing spree.
	Yeah, no S. Murderous killing spree, not a solution.
	Stay around for more hot takes.
	I should have known I'd be preaching to the choir.
	non-violence angel brain says the reason governments want the incel movement declared terrorism is that it then allows them to use powers beyond those used in typical civil police work it means that they can monitor apprehend and hold people with greater severity and refresh on which in important ways which is a smaller than usual once the paperwork is done and the operations authorised you can spy on someone as much as you want as long as you want it's not a bad argument
	It's not a bad argument.
	There's plausibility to it.
	I'm not sure if I entirely agree.
	Well, no, if you wanted to investigate someone, they've got no evidence that they're a jihadist or all the rest of it.
	Yeah.
	No, they're an incelmate.
	Yeah, well, they do seem to be doing that with, well, COVID and the panic spread over that, so who's to say they won't do that with this?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, Harry Ashman says, incel is both a self-assigned label and a characteristic that can be applied whether you like it or not.
	As I live alone, it was technically illegal for me to have sexual intercourse with anyone during lockdown.
	One, due to the social distancing restrictions, meaning that I was involuntarily made to be celibate by the government.
	Does that make me an involuntary incel?
	Interesting question, but he goes on to say, Could an extension of the terms and powers go from incel culture to incels?
	It feels like yesterday's topic about how the BBC redefined gays include political aspects in reverse.
	If I don't find a girlfriend by the time the government...
	Feel like a lockdown.
	Am I going to have to hire a living sugar daddy to not be classified as a terrorist?
	That's his yes, I suppose.
	He raises a good point as well, because everyone's an incel until they've had sex.
	So everyone's an incel until 16 or whatever in this country, right?
	So is everyone under 16 now a terrorist as well?
	Does this just follow?
	Well, naturally, probably, yeah.
	But also the fact that if you're in a lockdown, I've been made a terrorist by the government.
	What can you do about it?
	Yeah.
	Maria Manzi says, as Callum points out, there was a paradox in trying to label incel culture as terrorist in nature.
	That seems more political opportunism.
	Thomas, you are correct that the questioning of incel culture is being used as a political tactic.
	I have little time for the incel culture as it seems more self-pity than having a legitimate court.
	I think that's for the most part right.
	That broadly society has become more centred on sexualisation is perhaps the core issue.
	Yes, I fully agree with that.
	And I think that we actually need to kind of, well, stop it, to be quite frank.
	I think our obsession with, I suppose, presenting with sex, and presenting sex is infinitely available.
	I'm not sure if you've watched Sex Education, but don't.
	Do you mean the TV show?
	No, the Netflix show.
	The first two seasons aren't too bad, actually.
	I was surprised.
	But the third season is...
	Dire.
	Yeah, it just looked like awkward...
	I don't even want to call it degenerate, it's something else.
	Yeah.
	It's so politicised and seasoned, but anyway, I think you're right for the most part, Maria.
	BasedApe says, I came across a Guardian article a few days ago about femcels.
	It basically said that male incels may be horrible misogynistic terrorists, but female incels are poor vixens.
	And how could people treat them this way?
	Seriously.
	All right, send us the article.
	I want to see it, base tape.
	Yeah.
	Because that sounds hilarious.
	It's like, oh, these horrible men who are incels, they are terrorists.
	But so women?
	Sympathy.
	We need sympathy for these poor darlings.
	It's like, yeah, okay.
	Right.
	Right.
	Freewill2112 says, Is anyone not a terrorist?
	Now, they throw this term around like confetti, much like the word fascist, whilst ignoring groups like Antifa.
	Yes.
	In effect, yes.
	And Benjamin Fairwell says...
	I mean, adding that into Britain, I mean, I mentioned yesterday, we have the prescription list.
	I think it was the other day, actually.
	But we have the prescription list for groups.
	So all that has to happen is the Home Secretary just has to say, I think they're a terrorist organization.
	They're on the list.
	It is now illegal to be a member or vocally support or financially support that organization.
	I mean, are we really going to see the day where she just goes, yeah, incels?
	Or like incel.net.
	Yeah.
	That's on the list.
	No, it does feel like the days are numbered, doesn't it?
	For literally every group that could possibly...
	4chan.org.
	Anyway.
	Right, so back to Benjamin.
	Who's this 4chan?
	Benjamin Farewell.
	So, will it be those with incel ideology that are going to be declared terrorists, or are all men going to have to be screened to identify whether they're having regular intercourse and refer to prevent if they aren't getting enough?
	That's where this is going.
	Asking for a friend...
	Would that mean the Prevent would then start hiring prostitutes?
	Because they don't just have a role...
	They're creating a moral argument for that, aren't they?
	Yeah, because they don't just have a role as monitoring terrorism or potential terrorists.
	They also have a role in counter-terrorism.
	Especially...
	Yeah.
	And I suppose, by extension, you would then have a moral argument for making...
	State-mandated GFs.
	State-mandated GFs.
	Yeah.
	Why are we against this?
	I'm joking.
	I'm joking.
	Jimbo G. Almost every woman I know who is a progressive is single and deeply unhappy.
	The collectivist lens that feminism provides seems to allow them to pathologise their own shortcomings as men's fault.
	Because of their own bigotry towards men, which is bad for their psyche, they end up in a situation where men rejects them for their unpleasant behaviour, which is of course men's fault.
	And if they can't be happy, no one can.
	Hence the war on the nuclear family.
	That's a pretty based statement there, I think.
	I agree.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think we are potentially going to have a very unhappy generation of young women once they get past the peak fertility age.
	We've been through that already, but anyway.
	Richard Lewis says, I think a lot of incels are classic examples of not practising one of the rules of Jordan Peterson.
	Keep your house in order before to criticise the world and tidy your room.
	A lot of these men have been stuck...
	Yeah, they are.
	They're playing the same game of identity politics, aren't they?
	Incels.
	Well, they're positing themselves as an oppressed group.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I can see that.
	Yeah.
	And that's, needless to say, going to do nothing for their chances.
	But anyway, those are the incel comments.
	Yeah, I think you're right about that, which is ultimately...
	There's nothing positive to be gained from identifying yourself as such and all the rest of it.
	Yeah, it just seems like a bad idea.
	So, tyrants laughing in our faces.
	We have Rice Sim, who says, Just like Parliament, to extend powers they don't need, after World War II, the subsequent parliamentarians kept their emergency powers until 1959.
	However, at least in that case, they had good cause to pass the Emergency Powers Act in 1939.
	This government should never have passed those powers and never extended them.
	I can't agree more.
	Especially when the fact they didn't even bloody need them, apparently.
	No.
	On the books, according to Steve Baker.
	Never needed that.
	Yeah.
	Just passed it for fun of it.
	Yeah.
	I was like, well, okay, didn't Steve vote for it?
	Yeah, he did, actually.
	Now I remember that.
	I don't know.
	What was that about?
	No, I remember.
	I remember watching his speech, and it was very moving, because he was crying.
	He was just like, look, I'm a libertarian.
	Oh, no, I do recall this now, being quite tearful.
	But then he voted for it.
	What?
	That guy confuses the hell out of me.
	I don't know what happened with 1959.
	I don't know why they kept it so damn long.
	Presumably for the same reason, they just feel like it.
	So Heathcliff Lowen says millions have gone maskless, from MPs to football fans to protesters, and all of them have selfishly not died.
	You want to save the NHS? Go to football matches.
	Well, no, if you want to save the NHS, just don't exist, because that's where this argument ultimately goes.
	Yeah, I suppose it does, isn't it?
	Lord Neva says, if the politicians can't be bothered to vote on extending their powers, and I'll laugh when they extend them anyway, then I can't be bothered to follow their rules, and I'll laugh if they try to enforce them.
	Fair is fair.
	I'll do more than laugh.
	Very based.
	Yeah.
	Very much agree with that.
	George Windsor says, Labour screeching, govern me harder daddy, Speaker and Parliament lol deal.
	Yeah.
	Again, they run the country, even though they have none of the seats to do so.
	Hmm.
	Does the UK Parliament not have a requirement for a quorum?
	Yeah, that is what it says.
	I'm not sure what it means.
	I don't know what that word means.
	So John's saying it's the minimum required for a meeting to work.
	I don't think the parliament does.
	I think technically you could do something with one MP in the room, but it'd be pretty ridiculous.
	I don't know, actually.
	I mean, I'm about to get onto that section in the textbook, coincidentally.
	So how can they vote with so few present?
	Also, why do they shout to indicate need to vote?
	Can they not implement a transparent electronic system?
	No.
	Because I don't know if you've been, but you should really go because it's great fun.
	To the Houses of Parliament, you can book a tour online.
	I don't know why I'm chilling for them.
	I just think it's good fun.
	Anyway, and you go and see the Commons itself.
	The way the building's built, it doesn't even house all of the MPs.
	It can't physically do it.
	The 650, they won't fit in that room if they tried.
	And the way the voting works is you're on a bunch of benches.
	No one's sticking electronic crap in there.
	It's not happening.
	And they do the eyes and the nays because it's faster than voting on everything.
	And if you do a vote, you walk out and there's two corridors and you walk around and then back into the hall.
	And that's how votes happen.
	It's interesting.
	So John's got it up here.
	The minimum number of MPs on the House of Lords needed to vote to be valid for a parliamentary commitment to function.
	Do they have one for the House of Commons itself?
	That's just standing orders.
	I don't know.
	Again, just outside of my knowledge.
	They mentioned it, but I didn't give a specific number, which is what you would expect.
	I'm sure people are already correcting us in the chat.
	So, Bomtiardo says, Tyranny is such a hilarious thing.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's fun, apparently.
	Shooting of History says, Is anyone actually shocked that professional politicians are giddly laughing about extending and expanding their own power and privilege?
	You shouldn't be, and if you are, shame on you.
	You should pay a little more attention.
	I've got some sympathy with the sense that parliamentary work goes on all day and there are moments where you want to break from character, let's say.
	But when you're dealing with something that serious, to have a laugh about it just seems wrong.
	It's just inappropriate.
	The Vaccine Brigade.
	Not saying the first part of that again.
	I'm illegally blind.
	Went to London recently and didn't mask.
	Didn't even wear an exemption lanyard.
	And no one challenged me.
	No one wants to be an a-hole who confronts the disabled girl with the cane.
	Yeah, and you'll hit them with the cane if they try, I presume.
	So, Henry Watkinson.
	The Irish rule for clubs is the same in Scotland.
	No one wears them, though.
	No one wears them, though.
	And even better, the vax passports don't work yet, so it feels like normal civilization for now.
	For now.
	I don't know what's going to happen.
	If the Irish government goes super hard, and then the Northern Irish government just don't, and it's got Eastern West Berlin up there.
	Henry Ashman says, under the COVID Act and the Public Health Act, the government also have the potential for a eugenics program if they felt like it, alongside the restrictions of freedom, business, etc.
	Sounds extreme, but hear me out.
	I'm just going to believe you, because quite frankly, the amount of legislation we cover...
	I remember we did a thing.
	Hugo did some digging.
	There was some new bill that came through for state security, right?
	So, for the security services.
	And they authorised their undercover agents.
	Did you just do literally anything?
	They could murder people, rape people, anything they wanted, apparently, provided they could justify it.
	And it was like, can you justify...
	When?
	When can you justify that as an undercover informant?
	You can't.
	That's why it's illegal.
	So why are you making it legal?
	But...
	Apparently legislation isn't thought through.
	That's extraordinary.
	Do you want to read the Petersons?
	Yes.
	So Zero Zero says, Jordan Peterson is very mainstream and old school, a real normie, a normie like me.
	Those who want to whack Peterson want to whack me, and they likely want to whack you.
	Yeah, I mean, he doesn't, I think a lot of people are writing saying he doesn't actually offer that much of an original contribution philosophically.
	But given the present time that we have, and we've completely lost the historical foundations of our moral universe, the fact that he's reminding us of that is what makes him important, especially as someone who's kind of lived to witness quite how the universities have been.
	What word am I looking for?
	Infiltrated by people who have an incandescent hatred of that tradition from which morality arises in the West.
	Yeah, I'm probably sounding very boring here.
	I'll move on.
	Subverted would have been a better word.
	Yes, thank you, John.
	Nunia Business says, Yep, pretty much.
	I don't know how you even ration yourself into that position.
	Like you say, if it's just fear from the George Floyd protesters of peace, then it makes more sense.
	You could argue he's thinking about money, views.
	He's got up money.
	He doesn't need money.
	You'd think so, but who's to say that someone wouldn't just want more for the sake of having more?
	Yeah.
	Anyway, SHSilver says it's sad to see how much of a snake Ethan has become from being pals with JonTron and having JP on to streaming with Sam Cedar and hanging with Hassan Piker.
	Yeah, I forgot to mention Hassan Piker.
	Yeah, clearly showing the kind of character he wishes to be associated with.
	Yeah.
	Did you throw John Tron on the bus?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I hope not.
	No.
	I hope not.
	Yeah.
	I did nothing wrong, that's why.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the fact that he's now powers of Hassan Paik probably has a lot to do with why he presented Peterson in that way.
	But anyway, Snow Dog says, Wow, H3 turned faster than General Millie.
	General?
	Who's General Millie?
	So General Milley was the chap who worked under Trump and then just like literally stabbed him in the back.
	He was the one to get the nuclear codes away from the president and instead in his hands.
	I see.
	And I was working with Pelosi to do it, which all kinds of unconstitutional, but no one seems to care.
	He's still in there with Biden now.
	Fair comparison.
	Yeah.
	Sadly, it seemed to be a good political strategy for him.
	Anyway...
	Bom Tom Badillo says, Ethan has embraced pure ideology.
	Snot.
	I love C-Jack.
	The very thing he used to fight against.
	Yeah, I should have spotted that.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Alpha of the Betas says, I'm glad to say I hated Ethan Klein before.
	It was cool.
	I'm glad you had the foresight that I did not have, Alpha of the Betas.
	Taffy Duck says Ethan Klein looks like your typical low-effort, low-worth, lazy slob.
	He certainly does now.
	Why does any real man listen to such a weakling?
	I bet that fat person doesn't even lift.
	Also fits in with Hassan Gwaiwa.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	They're quite well suited to each other.
	And that's the content.
	Student of history makes angry lobster noises.
	Yeah, okay.
	You know, I find that with the Young Turks as well.
	Actually, all three of them there, Hassan, the Young Turks, and Ethan there, they very regularly employ the, here's my opponent, make baby noises in their voice, and then just, you know, that kind of straw man.
	But it's just, it's so pathetic sometimes.
	Maybe on occasion for a laugh, but when you're doing it this constant, do you know what I'm talking about?
	I think so.
	I don't watch the Young Turks that much, but I think I know what you're alluding to.
	Well, you have it with Chango, he's like, oh, they think like this.
	Oh, yeah.
	Fucking stop, man.
	Yeah, no.
	Anyway, Chango98 says, can we have a JP interview, please, perhaps on the subject of dadism?
	Sure.
	I don't know where he's coming back to the UK. I think he's got a tour book or something.
	I think we were meant to go see him and Douglas Murray or something.
	I can't remember what happened to that.
	Yeah, I mean, he's just released a book, hasn't he?
	So I imagine he's got a very, very busy schedule, but I would never refuse him, ever.
	If he comes back to the UK, we'll get the invite.
	Yeah, the guy's a legend.
	Harry Ashpin says, Thank you, Henry.
	Some news on Crap, I've forgotten his name.
	The guy he mentioned, not Jim Sterling, not H3H3, the other one, the guy who used to be a centrist.
	Which one?
	BuzzFeed.
	BuzzFeed was centrist?
	No, no, he used to work with BuzzFeed.
	I can't remember his name.
	You just mentioned it.
	What was it?
	The name.
	Phil DeFranco.
	Phil DeFranco.
	There we are.
	Jeez, sorry, I forgot about that.
	So, Dan Killer did a video about Phil DeFranco.
	Apparently, after George Floyd as well, he just went, whoa, whoa, and then just started saying, like, complete nonsense, and his own audience got mad with him.
	Because he was very much down the line and did a very good job with that.
	And then he would just start doing anti-Trump stuff and pro-Democrat stuff for no reason.
	And it was very partisan to the point that people were like, shut off.
	Yeah, bore off, mate.
	Jim Sterling!
	Ah, less said the better, let's move on.
	Do you know Jim Sterling?
	You have to remind me.
	So I think it's Stephanie Sterling now, actually.
	Oh!
	I'll show you afterwards.
	Look forward to it.
	I'll send you a link now, actually.
	Oh, God.
	I don't know what he's doing these days.
	I have to show a she.
	Can't say he, can we?
	So P says, I have recently recognised one thing you seem to not address when it comes to Universalists versus Particularists.
	It is far easier to control the people without roots and without a broad network than those with.
	Why would our governments not want universalism over particularism?
	Well, I suppose appealing to abstract universals is precisely what justifies such a big government.
	That's why.
	Because the very inscribed in it is a justification for overriding particularities.
	that the general will amounts to more than the particular will or the more extreme idea that the universal will defines whatever the particular will is.
	Sorry, I'm laughing because George has loaded up a chint-stelling YouTube channel.
	I used to watch so much of Jim Sterling.
	I always liked him as a consumer advocate.
	I think that was where he was at his finest.
	And then slowly, slowly, he got more and more interested in socialist theory.
	And it was just like, why?
	What the hell's the matter with you?
	Why do you think that's a good idea?
	Especially in the context of your work.
	The microtransactions are an accessibility issue.
	One was one I watched recently.
	Yeah.
	Oh god, why?
	Why is it like this?
	Anyway, just, yeah, ideologically off the rails from what he used to be, in my opinion.
	Anyway, so we'll go back to the general question.
	So 00 says, one thing, why do the woke always talk about women and children when for some reason we debate refugees?
	Won't that be to assume their gender?
	Assuming gender is far right, is it not?
	To the intersectionists, yeah, pretty much.
	Then again, they have a point though.
	Because the vast majority of the refugees from France, a non-secretaire if there was one, they're all men.
	So it would do us well to just be like, as a tactic, as these elements do, they don't care about what's true, they only care about the tactic.
	Just assume their gender is women.
	Age is children.
	You know during the 2015 crisis you actually had NGOs advising them to not say where they were from so that they could actually get through Europe easier?
	Yeah.
	I can actually see the point happening where if another crisis like this happens, they actually say, you know what, just say you're all women and children.
	And, well, needless to say, we have no illegal backing with which to question you.
	I think it was Lauren Southerner who actually did the good work on that.
	Like, got the undercover footage of them admitting it.
	Yeah, yeah.
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