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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 18th of October 2021.
	I'm joined by Carl.
	Hello.
	And today we're going to be talking about the murder of Sir David Amess.
	I don't quite know how you say it.
	Is it Amess?
	Amess.
	Sorry.
	I'm not sure.
	So the reaction to also Sir David Amess' murder and also Catholics being under attack, specifically in France and Canada.
	Although I should probably say especially, not necessarily specifically.
	Well, Sir David Amis was a Catholic himself, so, you know.
	Also includes Britain.
	Anyway, some of the things to mention first on the website.
	So this is the first thing up there, the new normal is upon us.
	I believe this is an older article that got republished with the audio.
	So for silver and gold tiers, you can go have a listen instead of a read if you didn't get a chance to read or, quite frankly, you just want to listen to Jonathan Crowe's voice some more.
	Just go and check that out.
	If we go to the next one, we have some premium content.
	So this is the Contemplations, the one up over the weekend.
	Yeah, this is a really interesting conversation between Bo and Josh about what would Diogenes' society look like.
	Diogenes is one of the most famous anti-philosophers in history, and while there are many amusing anecdotes about him, you wouldn't want to live in his society.
	We lived in a barrel and masturbated in public.
	I'm imagining the homeless community in Los Angeles.
	Yeah, basically.
	Right.
	Not really a road to follow, I always thought, but okay.
	So if we go to the next one, we have the Premium Epoch.
	Continue our little mini-series about the Hundred Years' War, talking about the Battle of Agincourt and why we won that.
	And we'll be talking about others and how the French eventually won later this week.
	And then if we carry on, we have the Origins of Intersectionality.
	So this is a podcast you and me did, in which you told me about the official essay she wrote in 1989 about intersectionality, and came up with the idea and proposed what we should do about it.
	And what it's for, as well.
	That's the important thing.
	I really found it funny how there were a list of contradictions that even she recognised in 1989, and then just moved on.
	I was like...
	Well, I mean, you can't be held back by these contradictions.
	You've got a mission.
	So who cares if everything's going to burn down?
	Also, the last thing to mention is a new article.
	I believe this is three, so Rules for She But Not For He by Philip Tanzer.
	Yep.
	Sorry, I don't know how to name names very well.
	He's a men's rights activist who's pointing out that, look, there are some entrenched institutional biases against men and no one wants to talk about them.
	So he's talking about them.
	Anyway, without further ado, let's get into what was the big story in the UK. Yeah, so recently the murder of Sir David Ames has rocked the United Kingdom, and it's a confluence of many different issues that nobody particularly wants to talk about.
	And so let's have a look at who Sir David Ames was.
	So he was a pretty orthodox conservative, although he was actually a conservative.
	He voted for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, but was critical of the Labour government's failure on that.
	He was also a leading member of the Conservative Friends for Israel.
	He was one of the 30 conservatives who voted against military action in Syria in 2013.
	He supported the reintroduction of capital punishment, opposed the government of Iran, very supportive of refugees and asylum seekers, opposed to abortion because he was a Catholic, and generally opposed bills furthering opposed to abortion because he was a Catholic, and generally opposed bills furthering LGBT rights, including equal age of consent He was an animal welfare campaigner, and he campaigned for this a lot.
	He voted to ban fox hunting as a patron of various other charities for it, and in 2011 he was critical of the BBC for their coverage of Israel, saying they were very biased, which they are, and he was a staunch Eurosceptic.
	He came out as a supporter of Brexit prior to the EU referendum, and he was basically a conservative, a modern conservative.
	From all accounts, he was a very, very nice man and well-loved by all, and seemed to have a good sense of humour.
	For example, when he was knighted in 2015, if we can scroll down a bit, John, this is what he did.
	He dressed up as a knight to celebrate, which I think is beautifully eccentric, And exactly what I would do if I were knighted.
	Yeah, some nice English exceptionalism there.
	Eccentrism.
	Yeah, eccentricity.
	But anyway, so the points that I've brought up here are mostly focusing around, well, he was pro-refugee.
	And you can see that he had been an activist in favour of refugees, saying, I believe every refugee matters.
	He was also...
	I did see this going around a lot, but there's something to be said.
	I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the British Red Cross, specifically in this aspect as well, they're the ones who help refugees abroad.
	They're not involved in bringing refugees to the UK. So those are two distinctions to be made.
	He's also pro-Black Lives Matter after George Floyd was murdered.
	George Floyd died.
	Sorry.
	He posted this tribute, effectively, saying, I was deeply moved by the appearance of the brother of George Floyd, etc., etc.
	I don't know if you read the last bit of that, but he ends on going on to say that they should freeze exports of riot control equipment to the United States as if it's Belarus or something?
	Because a guy died under police custody?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	He's a modern Conservative.
	And, of course, when Joe Cox was murdered by a far-right extremist, he wrote kindly of her and said that she was a young woman with a family going about her duties.
	And the British tradition has always been that members of Parliament regularly make themselves available for constituents to meet them at face-to-face surgeries.
	Now, these surgeries are political town halls, I think Americans would call them.
	And so this is something he supported.
	He thinks that we should have this kind of, you know, open and public-facing society.
	And then he was, well, not then, but he was stabbed in his constituency doing a surgery by a young man.
	He was stabbed multiple times.
	The accounts are horrific to read.
	And he died shortly afterwards.
	And then we had to play the game that we always have to play With left-wing activists whenever something tragic happens.
	Perhaps Tory scum MPs wouldn't get stabbed if they didn't persistently vote to gut mental health services.
	Really?
	So is this a guy with mental health problems?
	Nope.
	Turns out it was a guy from Somalia.
	Police arrested a Somalian man on suspicion of murdering a Conservative MP. They're not looking for anyone else.
	And so the British discourse became flat.
	We go to the next one.
	We see a typical exchange here.
	See, breaking.
	25-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the killing.
	He's a British national.
	Yep, but he's also Somalian.
	And someone replies, well, any British Somali or any Somali caught committing crime should be deported and stripped of their passport.
	We can't let these feral savages among society and someone's just like, racist.
	Amazing.
	Man murders someone, should be deported.
	No, you're a racist.
	Okay, moving on.
	So anyway, The Sun came out with a very comprehensive article about this, very swiftly, when it was released that the man's name was Ali Harbi Ali, a 25-year-old British national with Somali heritage.
	He had previously been reported to the Prevent Anti-Terror Scheme and was not being probed by MI5, so they were aware of him but weren't investigating him.
	He apparently travelled 50 miles by train to murder Sir David Ames and apparently told the staff that he had recently moved to the area in order to gain access to him.
	Cops and security services are now examining the theory that he was self-radicalised online during lockdown.
	They believe he may have been inspired by Al-Shabaab, the Al-Qaeda offshoot operating in Somalia.
	He is understood to have lived in London after his family came to the UK from Somalia in the 1990s.
	So at some point in the late 1990s, he came over as a very young boy, and according to neighbours in the area, apparently had been there his whole life, pretty much, since coming over as a very small child.
	So he would have come over, him and his family, as refugees?
	Yes.
	He was not on the list of active threats and apparently stabbed David Armas 17 times without saying a word at the surgery and then he just waited around for the cops to turn up to arrest him.
	That must have been an uncomfortable 10 minutes.
	It's also very unusual.
	We've had various incidents like this, Lee Rupi comes to mind, and usually the terrorist then spends the rest of their time screeching about whatever they've decided or the reasons why they did this.
	But he apparently did it in silence and then just waited.
	Presumably covered in blood while people are screaming around him.
	Presumably running.
	Yeah.
	And so, it doesn't appear that it's a guy with mental health issues.
	It turns out it's a guy who believes fervently in Islam, which I'm sure a leftist isn't going to say is a mental health issue.
	And so, he died at that place, and he was prevented from receiving the last rites from a Catholic priest by the police, who said, no, this is a crime scene, you're not allowed to do this.
	So, there we go.
	And so, we return to the socialists.
	Well, what do they say?
	Oh, was it someone...
	Obviously, yeah...
	Have you mixed these up a bit?
	No, the Socialist Party.
	Oh, it's just below.
	Right, yeah.
	So Boris has come out and given a stock statement on these sort of events.
	And so the Socialist Party is like, was it terrorism or someone suffering from poverty, homelessness, debt, etc.?
	Is now the time to ask that?
	Well, it turned out he lived in a very wealthy area of London.
	So I don't think it was the poverty aspect.
	Homelessness?
	His family lived in a £1.5 million council flat.
	So he's lived there his whole life.
	A very wealthy area of London.
	So no socialists.
	It's not that he's got mental issues.
	It's not that he's poor.
	His father is a man called Harbi Ali Khalein, who's a former advisor to the Prime Minister of Somalia, and confirmed that he had been visited by anti-terror police.
	He says, I'm feeling very traumatized.
	It's not something that I expected or even dreamt of.
	I can imagine that's deeply traumatising indeed.
	It's not the first time that such a thing has occurred.
	In May 2010, if you can go to the next one, John, there's an MP called...
	What was his first name?
	I can't remember this.
	It's Stephen Timms.
	...who was approached by a 21-year-old female Islamist extremist, Rashawn Chowdhury, during a constituency surgery in East London, and he was stabbed twice in the abdomen with a kitchen knife before she was disarmed, and apparently she had been influenced by watching sermons of a radical preacher called Anwar al-Walaki,
	who is the leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, And that her attack was to punish Timms for voting for the Iraq War and seek revenge for the Iraqi people.
	If we go to the next one, it turns out that she was radicalised by YouTube.
	She was a theology student who had watched his videos and sermons from Yemen and urged Muslims everywhere to join the worldwide holy war against the West.
	That was that.
	So, nor is Mr Ali the only terrorist around.
	I mean, this was just one that happened very recently on the same day.
	Shabazz Suleiman, 25, from High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire.
	Particularly poor area.
	Yeah, again, very poor area.
	He attended the Royal Grammar School in High Wycombe.
	Now, the school is not...
	It doesn't cost anything to go there because it's a state school, but it's got particularly high entry qualifications, so it's best and brightest to go there.
	It's got a very long list of notable alumni, such as Roger Scruton went there.
	So it's not a poor area, not a deprived area, and he's being charged with acts of terrorism because he joined the Islamic State in 2014.
	Anyway, so going back to Mr.
	Ali, as I said, he'd been on his de-radicalisation course, and so it seems that the consensus is yes, he was an Islamic radical.
	Well, what was his view?
	What did he think was the reason that he was doing it?
	Now, we haven't heard anything from Mr.
	Ali himself, but Anjem Chowdhury had some thoughts on it.
	Uh, okay.
	I'm surprised he's able to talk publicly and not go to prison immediately.
	Same here.
	He, and I love the way the Daily Mail say this, hate preacher Anjem Chowdhury was condemned last night for suggesting that David Armes may have been killed for being pro-Israel.
	Why condemn him for that?
	That's probably true.
	But that's also entirely a reasonable speculation.
	Yes.
	That's exactly why a jihadi would do something like that.
	The extremists said that Sir David could have been killed for being a member of the Tory party, during which time Britain has conducted military operations in Muslim countries.
	Chowdhury made the callous comments a day after MP for South End West was killed, leaving the nation in shock and grief.
	I mean, I don't like Anjum Chowdhury, but if you want to know what an Islamic extremist thinks, well, he's probably...
	Yeah, that'd be the guy I'd go to.
	Yeah, he's probably a pretty good source on that.
	Also, the statements he's making that he may have been killed because he's part of the West, being part of the Conservative Party, supports Israel, voted for the Iraq war.
	I mean, yeah, we have an example of this previously.
	Yes, other Muslim extremists have done the same.
	Miss Chowdhury.
	Yes.
	And so why would I think that that's actually...
	I mean, the fact that they're like, oh, the callous comments, it's probably true.
	And it's all the more likely that Chowdhury knows what this guy was thinking because friends of Ali Ali say that he was radicalised by watching Chowdhury on YouTube.
	So it seems that Chowdhury's opinion on this might actually be very relevant because he's indoctrinated him into the reason that he did these things.
	Yet another terrorist coming from Chowdhury as well.
	Yeah.
	And just to be clear, who's Chowdhury, right?
	So Chowdhury, if we can go to the Wikipedia article, he's been imprisoned recently on 5th of August 2015.
	He was charged...
	With one offence under the Terrorism Act for supporting Islamic State.
	And on March 2017, he was declared a specially designated global terrorist by the United States Department of State.
	And in 2018, he was added to the Al-Qaeda sanctions committee list of the United Nations Security Council.
	And then later on in October 2018, he was released from prison.
	So he's an actual terrorist who has inspired another actual terrorist.
	So if...
	Well, many, many are terrorists.
	Many terrorists.
	I don't know how familiar you are with his background, but...
	Well, mildly.
	Yeah, but he spent a lot of his time basically supporting Islamist causes or terrorist causes, but was very well educated, as some of the previous examples obviously are quite regularly well educated in Islamism and the law.
	So he was able to subvert the situation of terrorist laws by saying...
	Well, you know, I don't openly support this stuff, but would imply it.
	And then people would go on to commit terrorism that he'd even met, or watch his videos, so on and so forth.
	Have you seen the pictures of him when he's in university?
	No, I haven't.
	Drinking and fornicating.
	Oh, what a surprise.
	Yeah, what a surprise.
	Just like the 9-11 hijackers.
	Exactly.
	And it makes you wonder how much of this is a sort of like a road to Damascus-style conversion.
	It's like, wait a minute, I did all these anti-Islamic things.
	I need to atone for all of this by...
	Becoming an extreme radical.
	But yeah, so this actual terrorist probably does know why an actual terrorist would murder a Conservative MP in broad daylight.
	I think he might have an actual reasonable perspective on that, unfortunately.
	But it also shows the running of events, though, as you can see, many of them highly educated, not from poor neighbourhoods.
	Nope.
	As you saw from the Socialist Party, being like, yeah, it's just because they're poor, they're killing people.
	Nope.
	Is it because they have mental health problems?
	Doesn't seem that way.
	It seems to be ideological, and it seems to be a product of having the freedom and time to become well-educated.
	And ideological.
	Anyway, so what was the reaction to Sir David Armis' murder?
	Well, it was bizarre in some ways.
	You had this statement from Sadiq Khan on Twitter.
	Sir David has passed away.
	He loved being an MP and was a great public servant.
	Just awful.
	My thoughts and prayers for all of those Londoners are with David's loved ones at this time of unimaginable grief.
	Passed away?
	Passed away.
	In his sleep?
	Yeah, as if he died in his sleep and wasn't murdered in a church.
	I mean...
	You can compare this...
	I don't know what to be said about that.
	Well, deeply understating this situation is what Sadiq Khan is doing here.
	He didn't do that with the murder of Joe Cox.
	He said, well, you know, literally, our murdered friend, Joe Cox...
	The Labour MP who was killed or the Conservative MP who was killed who just passed away.
	It's very, very interesting how you see this kind of bias on display.
	Anyway, so Jeremy Corbyn had an interesting statement as well.
	My deepest condolences to David Armis' friends, family and loved ones.
	I am very sorry for them all.
	But no particular sympathy for David Armis there.
	His friends, his families, his loved ones, but not tragic for him personally.
	It's odd.
	It's odd framing.
	And then you get Angela Rayner's response, the Labour deputy leader.
	She says, I'm horrified by the reports regarding David Armas and an incident in his constituency surgery today.
	We don't know all the details yet, but on behalf of all of us in the Labour Party, I want to say all of our thoughts are with David and we hope he pulls through and is OK. And this is before, of course, it was confirmed that he had died.
	And that's very interesting because literally weeks earlier, Angela Rayner was calling all of the Conservatives scum.
	Her words were, we cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolutely vile, banana republic, vile, nasty, Etonian piece of scum.
	And then, apparently, that was her holding back.
	And when challenged on this, and given a dressing down by Keir Starmer, she just stood by her words.
	Look at the next one.
	She stands by it.
	Nope.
	Tories are scum, and that's all they are.
	Oh, one's been stabbed.
	Oh, oh, I'm so...
	Sorry to hear this.
	I'm horrified.
	This is terrible.
	This is tragic.
	We hope the scum pulls through.
	Starting to really hate the Labour Party at this point.
	Anyway, so this led the people to point out, well, hang on a second, it seems to be the Labour Party itself has been calling Tory scum for ages.
	I mean, this is a 2015 video from Owen Jones.
	They've been doing this for literally years, years and years.
	They've been calling the Conservative scum.
	And so I watched this video, and it's interesting.
	He's like, well, I'm not going to say scum because I think it makes me look bad, but I'm going to support you and your right to do it, and I'm going to promote you when you do.
	I was like, okay.
	At the same conference, in case you're wondering, where she said the Tories are scum, there was another speaker who referred to the Tories as rodent Tories.
	This is very, very typical.
	The general dehumanization and demonization of conservatives is...
	A long-standing trope in the Labour Party.
	They've been doing it for a long time.
	Tradition.
	A tradition, if we can say it.
	And so you end up getting some quite psychotic Labour responses, like one of these chaps.
	You're the next one, John.
	This is a video of some guy committing a crime, and so we're not going to play it, just in case we end up implicated in that.
	But he basically says, I'm glad MPs are getting a blade in them.
	That's a crime in the UK. So for people who might not know, in response to Joe Cox being assassinated by a guy who shattered Britain's first and therefore is perceived as a far-right terrorist, National Action, the far-right organization, decided to tweet out, what was it, 649 to go in a similar way to celebrating the attack.
	And as a result, they're on the prescription list, meaning it's illegal to be a member or voice support for that organization.
	And, well, that's exactly what this chap is doing.
	Keir Starmer, of course, was a lot more reasonable in this.
	As you would expect, he went with Boris Johnson to pay his respects and put flowers down.
	But let's be fair, Keir, it's time to purge those people who use the term Tory scum, isn't it?
	You know, this would be called by them stochastic terrorism, creating an environment in which it's acceptable and it's increasing the likelihood that these kind of random attacks are going to happen.
	This kind of divide is just simply not appropriate.
	And you can see this from other members of the Labour Party, such as a Labour peer.
	I'm using, if you can go to the next one, the Guardian live reporting, so you probably can't get it up on the screen.
	But I went through it at the time.
	And so a Labour peer has called for all major opposition parties to stand aside in the South and West by-election, out of respect for Sir David Amis, so the Conservatives will be able to elect another Conservative.
	Which is, I think, the honourable thing to do, and hard to believe that any of the Tory scum people really support, but none of them have been brave enough to voice their opposition to this yet.
	It's also a tradition, because under Joe Cox's murder, the same happened, where they allowed a Labour MP to be elected unopposed.
	That's correct.
	The reason I mention the fact of National Action being made a criminal organisation is because it ties in with, as you're saying, his need to purge those who call Tory scum.
	Because a lot of them are actually going to be on a terrorist list if they continue in such action.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they are extremists.
	Yeah, but I mean, they will literally be on the prescribed list if the law is equally applied.
	Yes, they would.
	And so, yeah, Liberal Democrats and Labour are not going to be standing candidates since by-elections, so...
	That's good.
	And a lot of Conservative MPs said basically they want to go on as usual.
	Now many local mosques in the area have of course condemned the murder.
	That's a very good statement.
	And I find it very interesting how they highlight that the murder was taking place on the grounds of a place of worship, whereas none of the other people involved in this seem to want to talk about that.
	He was murdered in a church and he was a Catholic.
	So that seems to be important.
	You get the reasonable voices such as Brendan O'Neill who are like, right, okay, can we now have an honest discussion about Islamist terrorism?
	Because it turns out that he wasn't poor, he didn't have mental health problems, he was This seems to have been ideological radicalisation.
	We need to be able to talk about this.
	And he makes some very good points.
	But unfortunately, discussing the sort of actual, rational worldview of these people is verboten, and we're not allowed to do that, so we'll just move on.
	I also can't imagine the reverse taking place under Joe Cox's murder, of right-wingers being like, yeah, well, was he just poor?
	Well, no, it'd be absurd.
	I mean, that never took place.
	I don't remember that taking place.
	No.
	But this has neatly cut through all of the left-wing defences of jihadi terrorism.
	So, thankfully, they don't get to have a real say in this.
	But what has happened, if we can get to the next one, is the public discussion has been one of those, like, well, we can't have a discussion about Islam because of racists.
	But I don't measure anything I do by what racists say.
	Also, what race?
	Yes.
	Names the race.
	The race of Islam.
	Yeah, well, let's play this clip.
	Listen, Simon, you're right, actually.
	I am a little bit scared to go fully in on the Islamist aspect of this conversation.
	And I'll tell you why.
	Because Islamist is currently trending on Twitter, and I'd made the mistake of clicking on it.
	So many racists coming out of the woodwork, tarring all Muslims with the same brush, saying that Muslims need to apologise for what happened yesterday, not taking into account that this is a tiny, minuscule proportion of what is in fact a very peaceful and loving community.
	So no, I don't want to dog whistle the racists.
	And unfortunately, when you have that conversation, that's what happens.
	So, we can't talk about Islamization or Islamism, radical terror attacks, or the philosophy that underpins it because of Twitter racists.
	There are people on Twitter.com that are racist.
	Therefore, we shall never have a discussion publicly about Islamism.
	Yes.
	As our MPs get murdered by Islamists.
	Yeah.
	You could go to getter.com, lady, and maybe on there you won't find a bunch of racists and therefore we can have the conversation.
	I mean, what a standard to determine whether or not you can even discuss something.
	It's mad.
	And the fact that she's like, well, you know, you are right.
	I'm afraid to discuss it.
	And the reason because of these people, but you clearly have valid points.
	There's clearly something reasonable to talk about when it comes to radical Islam in this country and what it's doing to this country.
	And she's like, yeah, but racists.
	It's like, well, how many people have to be stabbed until that's more important than the racists?
	Also, racists on Twitter.com.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	Very specific.
	It gives a toss.
	Why are you on Twitter.com?
	Got a mum's net.
	They're not being racist, therefore we can have the conversation.
	I mean, what kind of standard is that?
	Yeah, but the thing is that this is absolutely a problem that we need to talk about.
	Now, we can just look at the breakdown of people in jail for being terrorists to see that Muslims are massively and obscenely disproportionately represented.
	So this is the ethnicity and religion for terrorists and extreme prisoners for Great Britain, Britain being something in the region of 80% English or native British, and 73% of the prisoners are Muslim, 25% are Christian, 2% are and 73% of the prisoners are Muslim, 25% are Christian, 2% are Buddhist, 2% are Jewish, and 10% And this means that, like, white, meaning English, is 32% of the prisoners, whereas Asian or Asian-British are 46%.
	There's clearly...
	And they make up about 6% of the population.
	So there's clearly a massive, massive problem with ideological radicalisation in this community, but no one can talk about it, because the racists...
	I mean, the ethnicity aspect is not too interesting to me.
	The religion one, of course, the disparity is much larger.
	Yes.
	73%.
	I mean, what percent of Britain is purportedly Muslim?
	I think in 2011 it was 8%, something like that?
	Not even, I think.
	You know, I'm over-exaggerating that.
	Oh, it was something like 4%.
	And yet, 73% of the prisoners for religious extremism.
	Yeah.
	And I agree, the ethnicity isn't very important, it's the ideology here.
	I also want to know who those two Jews are and the two Buddhists.
	I mean, God knows what they're about.
	Sorry, it was 2%, not 2%.
	That's right.
	But anyway, the point is, there's a problem that needs to be spoken about, and no one's prepared to do it.
	And as you posted on Twitter.com earlier, this means that refugees making up 0.6% of the population are 20% of the terrorists.
	Since 2010.
	Since 2010.
	And so it's not that, because the common narrative is, ah, well, it's just the children are refugees doing this.
	No, that's not true.
	A lot of themselves are refugees.
	So, don't have to tell you that.
	I didn't even include, for example, I mean, there are more in there you could include under that banner.
	I mean, take the Manchester bomber, for example.
	He's a child of a refugee family, came from Libya.
	Don't need to include him.
	And you still get 20%.
	So it's more than 20%, if we're being broader about it.
	Yeah, and anyway, moving on because, what are we going to say?
	You know, the borders are open, literally a thousand refugees are arriving on our shores every day illegally, and I'm sure that nothing bad will come of that.
	The clip here being Tom Harwood arguing, even if a single migrant boat had made it across the channel this year, then the act of terrorism would have still taken place.
	You are going to eat those words in ten years, Mr.
	Harwood, because of course one of them may turn out to be a terrorist, and then what?
	Well, I inevitably will do, the way things are going.
	But anyway, let's get to some of the race grifters.
	Let's get to Dr.
	Shola, my favourite anti-British activist, who tweeted, Islamist, Somalian origin, Muslim migrant, African appearance, extremist links, terrorist.
	Predictably, references to the murder suspect of Sir David Armas include everything except British.
	No.
	No, people have been calling him a British national.
	A lot of people have been pretty strict on the idea that he's just a British national.
	Yeah.
	But what does British national even mean?
	It means holder of a British passport.
	We give out hundreds of thousands of these each year.
	It means nothing.
	It means legally allowed to live here.
	Anyway, Calvin Robinson replied to this and pointed out, no, they are all using the term British national.
	Even the Daily Mail is using the term British national.
	The problems are, well, deep-seated and rooted in multiculturalism.
	Because multiculturalism is not the same as multiracialism.
	As he says, a multiracial society could thrive, a multicultural society is doomed.
	Because mass immigration doesn't work if there is no time for integration.
	And he's right.
	But even then, there's a problem with integrated people becoming ideologically radicalised.
	Anyway, so the Guardian decided, you know what?
	Whenever a Muslim extremist stabs a Catholic in a church, Muslims are most affected, obviously.
	Britain's leading Muslim organisation is issuing new guidance to help British Somalis and other individuals and mosques deal with any instance of hatred in the aftermath of Sir David Amis' death.
	That's right.
	Muslim community most affected.
	I mean, that headline there.
	UK Muslim groups brace for rise in hate crime following the killing of David Amis.
	I know.
	Right, okay.
	Not really.
	I mean, I was playing it before someone sent me, which is the Norm MacDonald joke, which is like, yeah, so I've got a friend in the FBI that's very concerned, and their biggest fear in the FBI is that a Muslim extremist gets a hold of a dirty bomb and sets it off in somewhere like New York, killing millions and millions of people.
	Because the blowback against the Muslim community and innocent Muslims would be immense.
	And that's literally what we're at here.
	Yes.
	The joke comes into reality every single time.
	This is a heinous crime and we utterly condemn it, of course.
	Nobody in the local Muslim community could believe how anyone could brutally murder anyone, never mind Sir David.
	Really?
	How could you imagine someone from the Muslim community brutally murdering someone?
	It's not like it's happened multiple times in this country and our neighbours.
	No.
	Not like it happens all over Europe.
	But she added there was definitely an apprehension for Muslim communities at this time.
	Oh, well.
	Our own social media has been rife with hatred.
	Could you imagine this in reverse?
	No!
	I can't imagine this at all!
	Take the Darren Osborne terrorist attack where he drove his van into a bunch of innocent Muslims outside a mosque.
	And then the response being, well, will someone please think of the non-Muslim community in this time?
	Don't you know the British community is suffering because people dislike Darren Osborne and therefore white people in general or something?
	They're going to be calling all British people reflective of Darren Osborne.
	Rise in hate crimes against the white British population.
	That's the real problem here.
	Not that he drove a van into a bunch of people.
	It's totally inappropriate.
	But anyway, so let's get on to Priti Patel's statement, which I found very, very lacklustre.
	Now, this statement was put out fairly swiftly after Armas' death, so there is the argument that, well, maybe she's not trying to politic, and that's fair.
	But the thing is, she's followed this up with other statements that are basically in the same vein.
	She says, So, leaning very heavily on the democratic rhetoric.
	No mention of his motivation, and it's assumed that he is not part of a larger party.
	The problem isn't the individual here.
	The problem is a network of radical extremists who operate in this country.
	For example, why is Anjem Trowdery in this country?
	He's a convicted Islamist terrorist.
	Deport.
	What is he still doing here?
	He's not the only one either.
	No, he's not.
	This other guy from the Islamic State, he's now here.
	Why is he here?
	Deport.
	The Reading Stabber.
	He was convicted of seven violent crimes.
	Sorry, six violent crimes.
	Sent to prison.
	Should have been deported back to Libya immediately.
	Yep.
	Or Tunis or whoever else.
	And instead they just went, no, we'll just let him free.
	And then he went on to stab three people in a park and murder them.
	And three others.
	Weren't they gay as well?
	Yeah, it was a homophobic attack.
	Yeah, he was specifically targeting gays.
	Because there's probably something in the Quran about gays.
	People of Lut.
	Any thoughts on them?
	I wonder what Mohammed thought about those.
	It's an attack by an individual or democracy.
	Exactly.
	No, it's an attack by a movement that is global and hates Western norms and democracy.
	Yes, and that's not all Muslims.
	That is a very small subsection of Muslims who are ideologically committed to overthrowing the West.
	People like Anjem Chowdhury and all the other people we've mentioned.
	They can just be deported.
	I mean, they should be deported.
	But anyway, so another Conservative MP went on GB News and he informed us that this was going to be the focus of the Conservative Party in the wake of this tragedy.
	Let's play the clip.
	Well, I think it is social media that has made it so much worse.
	And I think, particularly for women, it's made it really, truly terrible.
	And we've seen this from what some of my colleagues on both sides of the House have said in recent days.
	I think the government are looking at the argument for removing anonymity.
	And it is clear that people are prepared to say things online, which they would never say if they were face to face.
	So I think change needs to come, and anonymity David Amos was killed by mean tweets.
	No, anonymous mean tweets.
	No, he was stabbed to death.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, if he was going to say social media, maybe, but it seems to have been watching YouTube videos in lockdown that radicalised him from the best information we have at the moment.
	It wasn't him having an anonymous Twitter account.
	I can't get over how that's the response.
	That's the response to the Conservatives.
	All the things you could have done in response.
	You're like, yeah, well, you know, people are sending me tweets.
	Why do you even care about that?
	How do you think that's connected to what happened to David Armas?
	No evidence.
	But Priti Patel ran with this and said, well, yeah, what we're going to do is just basically remove online anonymity, or we're considering it.
	Because apparently we can't carry on like this.
	So social media users could face a ban on anonymous accounts, says Priti Patel, because she's stepping up to take action against radicalisation in the wake of the murder of Sir David Armas.
	What's the proof that anonymous accounts are radicalising anything?
	Nothing.
	Literally none.
	You remember the first time she actually flowed this was in response to the murder of Sarah Everard?
	She was like, yeah, so if we ban anonymous Twitter accounts, that'll solve it.
	And everyone was like, shut up, you idiot.
	What's your obsession with banning anonymous Twitter accounts, for a start?
	Is a cup going to fall over in her house?
	And she's like, that's it.
	Bound an anonymous Twitter account.
	Exactly.
	So, police questioning Ali Ali on suspicion of terrorism offences.
	Are interested to be investigating the possibility he was radicalised by material found on the internet and social media networks.
	Okay, but nothing to do with anonymisation.
	Anyway, so Diane Abbott, who receives more online abuse than any other MP, gave her backing to legislation forcing tech giants to reveal the identity of those who peddle hate on their platforms.
	What's that got to do with this?
	There's nothing.
	She told The Independent that police investigators into racial abuse and threats against her have repeatedly found floundered because of social media companies' insistence on protecting anonymity.
	Sorry, what?
	What is this conversation?
	Yeah.
	What has this got to do with the Islamist who murdered the MP? Can you know Diane Abbott gets mean tweets?
	I mean, literally, the mosques in his constituency were like, yes, this is wrong that he was murdered and murdered within a church.
	And you're like, yeah, sir, that anonymous social media accounts...
	The Islamists are fighting a religious war.
	I mean, we call them jihadis because they're on a jihad, which is a religious war.
	If you don't understand that, then you don't understand what's going on here, do you?
	Anyway, so Priti Patel said that many MPs have suffered appalling online attacks and warned we can't carry on like this.
	Yeah, David Amos was stabbed to death.
	On Twitter.
	We should know who's putting up things on social media.
	We should know the person behind these fake accounts.
	Offshore accounts are being used for threats and intimidation, said Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker of the House of Commons.
	Wasn't someone stabbed in a constituency surgery?
	I mean, we have David Amos, stabbed to death.
	We have Joe Cox, shot to death.
	We have that other chap, Thomas Timms.
	He was stabbed.
	Stephen Timms, I think, sorry.
	Sorry, Stephen Timms, he was stabbed.
	None of them have anything to do with online anonymity.
	No.
	Not even slightly.
	And of course, Lisa Nandy was like, well, hang on a second.
	I don't really feel safe doing my job in my constituency.
	And PrettyPill was presumably like, is it all the mean tweets?
	And she was like, no.
	It was the stabbing.
	But she was like...
	That's the Home Secretary.
	The Home Secretary is there.
	You know what the real priority is.
	And she's normally quite good on most subjects as well, which is really weird how she's dropping the ball on this.
	Often these days.
	I know.
	So Priti Patel was like, oh yeah, well, we will offer more routine police presence at surgeries and other events and constituencies.
	And she was open to the introduction of airport-style metal detectors.
	Okay, fine.
	Don't care.
	Dominic Raab came out on Kay Burley with Sky News and was just like, yeah, online hate we get is out of control.
	The vile abuse aimed at MPs has to stop.
	I don't think I'd put a man being stabbed to death by a jihadi as vile online abuse.
	I think there's a slight distinction to be made there.
	And then the BBC started putting out articles against online anonymity.
	Mariana Spring, the BBC's specialist disinformation reporter.
	It's an amazing title.
	Like, literally, she reports the disinformation.
	Online abuse against women is on the rise, but why aren't the police government and social media companies doing more to stop it?
	So, when a Christian Conservative MP is stabbed by Somali and Jihadi, women are most affected.
	Have you thought of the women?
	Well, this whole article, it's actually quite a long article, and it's constantly going on about anonymous online abuse against women.
	It's like, that has nothing to do with any of this.
	Who was stabbed to death.
	It's wild.
	I love how you can see the entire establishment getting behind it.
	And it's her, like, going...
	It's people who have said things to her that she didn't like, so she's, like, investigating them and ringing them up and saying, why do we need that?
	And it's like, oh, well, you're annoying me.
	You know, and it...
	It's absurd, right?
	And anyway, so the point being that this, if we can actually bring it back to Mr.
	Ali Ali, we can expect more bedroom radicals conducting terror attacks in the near future.
	Don't know if there's anything to do with their online anonymous accounts.
	Can we bring it back to the terrorist incident, Home Secretary?
	Yeah.
	If that's important to you.
	Have you got time for that?
	But again, it's one of those things, it's like, we're going to get police protection.
	It's okay.
	Well, the rest of us don't have that.
	What do we do?
	What happens to the, I think it was, what was it, the Birmingham teacher?
	Yep.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Yeah, it was.
	Over the image of the Prophet Muhammad that was shown as blasphemy.
	Yes, what happens to him?
	You just go person to person to person and keep giving police protection.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, so it turns out that British intelligence agencies have warned ministers of a potential new wave of terror attacks carried out by bedroom radicals bred during the lockdown.
	Oh, wow.
	An unexpected side effect of locking people in their homes is that a bunch of them become radicals.
	We're facing a threat from lone wolf terrorists who are radicalized off spending months online.
	And, of course, this is not good, but it's something that's coming in the near future, they're expecting, and so I don't think they're wrong.
	I don't think there's any reason to doubt that.
	Don't think it's connected to online anonymity, but the point is we can't talk about this properly.
	There's going to be no advancing of a conversation against radical Islam, and therefore this Conservative MP will just be one of those events that we pass over and move on with.
	Another footnote in history.
	Yeah.
	There's a list.
	You type in a list of terrorist incidents in the UK or a list of terrorist incidents in France.
	You can get the full list.
	You can see them all.
	And you'll notice the one with France is just endless.
	Yeah.
	Event after event after event.
	Yeah.
	Because there's a jihad going on, which is a religious war, and for some reason we're not allowed to talk about that.
	For some reason the Conservatives refuse to accept that there is an organised movement with actors we can name and who are somehow allowed to remain in this country.
	We're going to end up with the list as long as France is.
	Eventually.
	Well, that was actually what the threat was in the case of the Mohammed cartoon, wasn't it?
	You know, you do as we want or we end up like France.
	It's like, right, okay.
	Speaking of France, so Catholics are under attack, and as an atheist, and I suppose you as an atheist as well...
	And Protestant.
	Well, I'm an atheist, but culturally and Protestant.
	Rightio.
	But not usually on my radar to talk about Catholics, but they just are under attack, it seems, in a way that is unbelievable.
	So if we have this first one up here, so French Catholics are often targets of Islam's terror, as reported by the Sunday Times...
	And the quotes here being, the suggestion that the killing of Sir David Amess could have been linked to his Catholic faith is a reminder that in France, a number of priests and worshippers have been targeted in recent years.
	Which, of course, this ties in with the murder there, that, well, he was a Catholic, killed in his church, operating his surgery as an MP. Why is that not being talked about?
	And more importantly, do you think that the Muslim jihadi who killed him was unaware of this?
	Takes no stock in that fact.
	Exactly.
	The way that the jihadis see the world is primarily, in fact, almost exclusively through a sort of monomaniacal religious lens.
	You're either orthodox Sunni or you are evil heretic.
	Yes.
	And so this is the way they view the world.
	And if we don't understand that and articulate that, then we won't understand what's happening.
	Right.
	So continuing with this article, the attacks began with an 85-year-old priest being murdered by two Islamists in his church in the suburb of Rouen in northern France in July 2016.
	Last October, three people were killed in Nice when Bahrim Asouasi, a 21-year-old Tunisian who had recently arrived in Europe, went on a knife rampage at the city's Notre Dame Basilica, shouting Allahu Akbar.
	He beheaded a woman and stabbed two people to death before he was shot and seriously injured by police.
	Asouasi, who was charged with murder, appeared to have been inspired by the beheading barely two weeks earlier of Samuel Paty, a secondary school teacher who was killed by an 18-year-old Chechen.
	In August, Olivier Marie, 60, a priest in Monta-sur-Sevenne in Western France, was killed by Emmanuel Abysinha, a Rwandan asylum seeker who had confessed to having been responsible for the fire that raged Notre Dame's, sorry, Nate's Cathedral in July 2020.
	And as you can see, there's a big long list there of attacks specifically against Catholics, because of it being France, and also tying in with the attack against David Amis, being a Catholic in his church.
	And, yeah, this is a jihad.
	This is an accurate description of what is taking place.
	Yes.
	Which is that there is a mass movement of Islamists throughout Europe over the last, say, 20 years at least.
	The last two decades being particularly large for those migrations.
	And they have resulted in the effect of jihad of literally just murdering people because they're heretics.
	If this is something you cannot deal with...
	Not just they're heretics.
	They're a rival religion.
	That's being attacked.
	That's what's happening.
	I'm loathe as I am to defend a Catholic, but this is happening to them.
	Yeah, and needs to be pointed out.
	So this isn't the only list of attacks as well.
	I just looked at the list of incidents in France and found this one as well, because of course.
	So this was an elderly man standing outside the church and he had his throat slit with a knife by an assailant who just turned up and then ran away so they never managed to catch the guy.
	Just standing there, just hanging out.
	Random act of stochastic terrorism.
	Yeah.
	Thankfully he survived that.
	Oh good.
	Miracle.
	So it's not also just the fact that there are Islamists throughout France just murdering people for being at churches or being priests or beheading priests.
	Nuns.
	And various others.
	Yes.
	They are also destroying the churches themselves.
	So this is an article called Why France is Losing One Religious Building Every Two Weeks.
	They say in here, that is the conclusion of Edward de Lamaze, president of the Observatory of Religious Heritage in Paris.
	Lamaze told CNA in an interview that in addition to one religious building disappearing every two weeks by demolition, transformation, destruction by fire, or collapse, two-thirds of fires in religious buildings are due to arson.
	Two-thirds of all the fires are people turning up and setting fire to the church.
	Just people.
	Just people.
	Why would the French want to burn down their own churches?
	I don't know, just walking in with their baguettes, their berries, their little striped shirts they presumably wear, wearing garlic.
	And they just walk in and be like, sacre bleu, the church!
	Yeah.
	You know, for the revolution or something.
	Yeah.
	Not happening.
	We all know that's not what's happening.
	Anyway.
	So, also the fact that they're losing one every two weeks.
	He says, quote, Although Catholic monuments are still ahead, one mosque is erected every 15 days in France, while one Christian building is destroyed at the same pace, Lamaze said.
	It creates a tipping point on the territory that should be taken into account.
	What he means is, of course, that we are seeing a long-running attack on Christianity and the reverse taking place, that these baguette-wearing Frenchmen who are burning down their own churches, I'm sure, are not walking into the local mosque. - Yeah.
	Weird that they're not just not burning local mosques, they're erecting new mosques.
	Every 15 days, a new one is set up, and, well, mathematics is mathematics.
	One day will come...
	Numbers add up.
	Yes, in which the churches dip below the number of mosques.
	Who knows when?
	I'm sure you can run the projection.
	So Lamaze believes that on average more than two Christian monuments are targeted every day.
	Two-thirds of these incidents concern theft, while the remaining third involve desecration.
	And of course the point being, imagine if this was taking place at the mosques of France.
	Sure, but I mean why would someone want to desecrate a church?
	Because they hate Christianity.
	They want it removed from the earth.
	Why would you hate Christianity?
	Well, you'd have to have some sort of religious perspective of your own.
	So it's either Hitchens-inspired new atheists who are going into these churches and burning them and desecrating them and murdering priests and whatnot, or it's another rival faith.
	Could be the return of the Soviets.
	I'm sure there's a massive resurgence of Soviet sympathisers.
	Radical atheists.
	Yes, just burning down cathedrals like friends.
	Or it could be the migration we've seen over the last 20 years, taking its course.
	It continues in here.
	877 attacks on Catholic places of worship are recorded across the country in 2018 alone.
	Quote, These figures have increased five-fold in only 10 years, Lamaze said, noting that 129 churches were vandalised in 2008.
	Wow.
	There was one in Britain recently, wasn't there?
	There was a photo of a guy trying to leverage off the cross from the top of a church.
	I think I remember that.
	Yeah.
	So, a few months ago.
	Sure, he's as British as anyone else?
	Well, I mean, he was obviously very British.
	Yes, she really had a lovely British name.
	Anyway, so that mentions that's in 2018.
	In 2019, the figures, of course, get worse because, well, they never get better, do they?
	And in here, we have statistics.
	There is no official data for the number of Catholic churches set on fire.
	However, according to the French Ministry of the Interior, there were 1,063 incidents of anti-Christian acts in 2019, that being up from the 877.
	That chap just quoted within one year.
	It just bumps up yet again.
	Most of the 32 recorded fires in 2018 were also concluded in 2019 to be acts of arson.
	So they were able to conclude that yes, the majority of the fires just turning up in churches at random are not a nun spilling some of the candles.
	yeah no it's people walking in seven five them in 2019 the year began with an arson in the alance and grenoble churches as well as a fire in lavore cathedral in tarn only thanks to the speedy intervention by firefighters did the saint so peace church in paris manage to survive the not too damn cathedral wasn't so lucky they write here the mystery hmm Of what happened to Notre Dame?
	Who knows?
	So if we get the next one up.
	France's most famous cathedral.
	Yeah, we have the headline here.
	Weird how they knew it was faulty electrics or something while the cathedral was still on fire.
	Wasn't that reporting at the time?
	Yeah.
	So some guy standing outside whilst it's burning.
	Yeah, it was the electrics.
	Yeah.
	How do you know?
	Yeah, exactly.
	How could you know?
	And they didn't.
	And it's still shrouded in mystery, as this article goes into.
	But I mean, put in the context of literally thousands of arsons and churches across France...
	Sure there's nothing to worry about?
	Thousands of attacks in any given year.
	Over 20 years?
	Over 20 years there's going to be literally thousands of churches that have been set on fire deliberately, but I'm sure Notre Dame was just an accident.
	And dozens of people being murdered or attempted to be murdered.
	Yeah.
	There's also one other story in here that I found really weird, so we'll go into it.
	So we get the next one up.
	So this is another attack of the Christian church, and this one's in French, so I hit translate and we got what we got.
	So Nimes, the Notre Dame d'Alphonse church, was vandalized.
	They broke a table...
	They broke the tabernacle.
	Tabernacle.
	Sorry, not Christians.
	I'm not familiar with these things.
	And smeared excrement on the walls.
	So they desecrated it.
	I mean, what kind of lunatic do you have to be?
	You start smearing your excrement across the walls of the church.
	But they smeared it in the shape of a cross as well.
	Yes.
	Which, I mean, these are the people we're dealing with.
	I mean, they're also beheading 60-year-old men randomly.
	Well, I mean, why would the new atheists do this?
	I just can't remember.
	Like, why would they go in and desecrate a church and smear crap on the walls?
	Maybe it's Germans.
	German migrants who just can't go over with their beer steins.
	But the point is, again, it's an attack on Christianity.
	It's the dignity of Christianity that is being attacked here.
	Yes.
	That's what's being attacked.
	And of course, this is not unique to France either.
	This is also going on in Canada, although for different reasons.
	So this is not because of the mass migration from North Africa, from places that are not at war.
	Just want to make that point.
	Instead, this is because of people who are upset about what's happened in Canada.
	So if we go to the next one up, this is the Wall Street Journal reporting about this.
	The burning of Canada's churches.
	Dozens have gone up in flames, and the Prime Minister's response is tepid.
	So they say in here, Sorry, I'm sniffing because I haven't got tissue on me.
	Um...
	56 churches just within Canada.
	I mean, we had like, what was it, 36 in one year over in France, but even worse in Canada.
	So if we can get the next one up, they mentioned there is a map, and if we scroll down on this, you can see that's been updated to 68 churches now that have been attacked, and there's the map.
	I mean...
	I mean, if this was mosques, or synagogues...
	That's the question that keeps coming to mind.
	There's just 68 synagogues in Canada that have just been set alight.
	And no one cares.
	Just, you know, not a story.
	The rising anti-Semitism in Canada from God knows where.
	Rising Islamophobia across France.
	There's all these mosques that are being burned down.
	No, but it's Christian, so it's just fine.
	Just all the imams keep getting beheaded.
	There's about 12 of them so far that's happened in recent years.
	Just part and parcel.
	And instead, the response when it's Christians is, yeah, it's part and parcel of life, you know?
	It just happens.
	As we engage in the future.
	So if we go back to the article, there's some more quoting in here, which again makes that point very starkly.
	When Mr.
	Trudeau finally weighed in, he offered a tepid response that condemned a vague rise in intolerance and racism and hatred we're seeing across the country.
	What?
	Name it.
	Yeah.
	Which hatred?
	Yeah.
	Which intolerance?
	Which community is under attack, Mr.
	Trudeau?
	He didn't say.
	Although he continued to say, although he said unacceptable vandalism and arson would not fix the intergenerational grief, the Prime Minister could have learned from Alberta Premier Jason Kennedy.
	The provincial leader called the attacks what they were, an apparent hate crime targeting the Catholic community.
	I'm surprised the Wall Street Journal would say this.
	Yeah, I know, right?
	I mean, it's in the opinion section, so I'm surprised they accepted it.
	But anyway, this is, of course, all in the context of the unmarked graves being found from the several, I can't remember the name of the church, sorry, the schools, but they were predominantly Catholic-run, is my understanding.
	So in response, you have a bunch of people who have decided that I'm going to represent the indigenous community, self-appointed, not voted for, No, not actually any standing there, just I believe I am, and therefore going to go out and destroy these Catholic churches as if that makes any kind of sense.
	Like, therefore destroyed this property, you know, harms this person.
	That fixes the horror of a hundred years ago, does it?
	Right.
	I guess it does now.
	Yeah.
	So they continue, earlier in June, when a Muslim family was run down in London, Ontario, killing four people, Mr Trudeau did not hesitate to condemn the attack.
	He sternly warned that Islamophobia has no place in any of our communities, while reassuring the Muslim community that, quote, we stand with you.
	But it's okay to have hate crimes targeting the Catholic community, and Trudeau's just like, well, all crime's bad, isn't it?
	It inspires nothing in him.
	No.
	He does not respond.
	Anyway, many Christians are wondering why the Prime Minister does not speak as forcefully about violence directed against Christians.
	Does he stand with us too, the person writes?
	And the answer is no.
	Yeah, demonstrably.
	Like, if you just reveal preferences through his actions, he doesn't stand at your side when you're under attack, but he does when Muslims are under attack.
	I like how this is also in the wider context here.
	There's been a long conversation.
	PragerU actually did a very good video on this, in which they showed that the exodus of Jews from the Middle East, who all ends up having to flee to Israel or Europe, and then you have the massive exodus of Christians from the Middle East, who are having to flee out of there.
	Trump wanted to take his refugees.
	Yes.
	And now when they get to the Christian world, Christendom, as it used to be called, they're under attack just as much.
	Yeah.
	Amazing.
	We should have got a few of these up, actually, because there were a bunch of them.
	They were saying, well, look, why has this been allowed to follow me here?
	I came to the Christian world because I wanted to escape Islamic terror attacks.
	Also, where are they going to flee to next?
	That's a great question, isn't it?
	There's only one homeland left for such people.
	Christendom.
	And if Christendom no longer exists, well then they don't have one.
	Well, it's going to be South America, if not Europe and North America, isn't it?
	I suppose so.
	But, you know, I'm saying, well, probably actually West Africa.
	Anyway.
	So, also, she continues in here.
	The great irony is that many of the churches set ablaze were on indigenous lands serving indigenous people.
	Carrie Allenson, a former residential school student, is a congregant at the destroyed St.
	Anne in British Columbia.
	Quote, The church meant so much to us, especially our ancestors, she told the Ponentican Western News.
	I think of all our ancestors that helped build St.
	Anne, looking over us and watching all the hard work of their place they cherished being burnt to the ground.
	And again, half of the indigenous people are Catholics, the Indians here.
	And then the response being, well, I'll just burn down the church and that'll get back a little white colonizer.
	And they're like, yeah, but that's our church.
	It's been our church for hundreds of years.
	Yeah.
	It reminds me of the BLM riots.
	Yeah.
	They just burned down all the black neighbourhoods.
	Yeah.
	We defeated white supremacy today, boys.
	Yeah, checkmate.
	God.
	Racist.
	Continues, approximately half of the indigenous Canadians are Christian.
	More indigenous people claim Christian religious affiliation than native spirituality, according to Statistics Canada.
	A group of indigenous Christians held a press conference on July 5th to condemn the violence.
	Again, the people who are supposedly being stood up for here, having their stuff burnt down, and then having to tell the lunatics, get lost.
	I mean, in both cases.
	They're not radicals.
	They're people who are connected to this thing, and so they actually care about it.
	So the people who are celebrating this or just ignorant of it are totally disconnected from it.
	They don't care at all.
	No, not that church.
	Not that place.
	Nor will they ever visit the place.
	Quote, So again, I mean, not a Catholic, not a Christian, but you just, I can't get over the situation in which you see, particularly in France, being awful.
	I mean, the situation there being one that comes from...
	Obviously a jihadi movement in France that's attacking Catholicism.
	But one that comes definitely from without to within the country with the blessing of the government's immigration policies that has led to terror endlessly.
	And this has happened in Italy as well, but we're just focusing on...
	France is particularly the one that's suffered the most.
	Yeah, but Italy's having a lot of these problems as well.
	Yes.
	But then you also have Canada as well, which is at least, let's say, a homegrown kind of extremism against Catholics, so it's more manageable.
	But the situation there, again, just being so absurdist.
	Yeah, tough time for Catholics.
	Let's move on to the video comments.
	Hello, Cedars.
	My name's Aaron.
	The reason I'm making this video comment today is a few months back, Carl, you mentioned that you didn't understand the Christian doctrine of Well, I've been thinking about that, and I think I've come up with a way to explain it to an atheist, as a former atheist.
	And if you're interested, I'd like to get into it.
	It's mainly going to be history and philosophy.
	I'm not going to get into theology.
	So just let me know if you're interested.
	If not, just tell me to piss off.
	Sure.
	I'm happy to hear how it's reasoned and justified.
	Alrighty.
	Let's go to the next one.
	We will have to change.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	They've now had 30 years of blah, blah, blah.
	And where has that led us?
	We must seize this opportunity.
	Solutions.
	The science doesn't lie.
	Some people are worth more than others and therefore have the right to exploit and steal other people's land and resources.
	If we do this together, we can do this.
	Lack of action is a betrayal towards all present and future generations.
	What do we want?
	When do we want it?
	Oh my god, that editing is fantastic.
	That's amazing.
	Put that in the shared drive so I can put it on my social media channel.
	I want to do the chap himself make that because that editing is so good.
	That was really fantastic.
	I want to respond to Karl in regards to London.
	He is correct.
	It's an awful city.
	I lived there 10 years ago.
	This is a decade ago.
	As you can imagine, I was a very pretty little thing.
	And I was constantly stalked by middle-aged Middle Eastern men.
	One would pull me down on a bench and he wouldn't let me go, telling me I was the prettiest girl in London.
	They would offer to buy me restaurant food.
	And this was constant.
	If you're a girl, don't walk alone in London.
	It's a decade ago, and I have no reason to believe it has gotten any better since.
	Quite the opposite.
	True.
	Good advice.
	I don't really know what else to say to that.
	I mean, literally, wasn't the Japan Tourist Board put out a statement like that about London?
	I think you're thinking of the Chinese one.
	The Chinese one, was it?
	Far more extremist then.
	I thought it was the Japanese one.
	But anyway, yeah.
	There's a prayer that I've turned into a bit of stoicism.
	It goes like this.
	Grant me the courage to change that which I can, the patience to accept that which I cannot, and the wisdom to know the difference.
	I didn't want to jinx it before by saying what my dream job was, but now my bad luck is happening again.
	I'll just say it.
	Firefighting.
	I don't think I'll get it though because my bad luck is returning slowly.
	Okay, that's a lie.
	My grandma and my dad's side has died, I've been told, over the phone this morning.
	The one who was sick on my birthday.
	On my whole day in Brighton.
	I know the live chat hates me, but even I think they'll just be putting Fs in the chat, so if anyone's watching live, I apologise.
	That's sad.
	Yeah, nothing else to say about that.
	I only know one...
	I don't know if I'm good friends with him.
	I haven't spoken to him in a long time, but I should.
	Which is Sean.
	You know the libertarian guy?
	The libertarian party, John?
	Yeah.
	I can't remember his last name, but he's...
	Sean Finch.
	Yeah, he's a volunteer firefighter, I believe.
	And I have no idea how you get into that, but I imagine volunteer firefighting would be the way if you're looking for that dream job, Harry.
	Oh, hello, Callum.
	Sargon.
	Joe Petrolak here.
	Um, from Pennsylvania lands in the States.
	I've been subscribing a while.
	I've seen every show.
	Wonderful show.
	I have a question, though.
	Didn't you king-worshippers once have a king that...
	to which, like, 10% of the population was descended from that king?
	Yeah, how's that working out?
	Anyway...
	I would give your show 9 out of 10 burgers.
	Oh god, what is that sauce?
	Mustard.
	It's just a pan of mustard.
	American mustard isn't like our mustard.
	American mustard basically is like mayonnaise.
	English master's incredibly strong.
	I don't know the fact about the king having 10% of the population.
	No, I've never heard that.
	Probably true, though.
	There's no way.
	There's a lot of inbreeding and stuff.
	There's no way that...
	I mean, he didn't have commoners marrying kings or anything like that.
	Sure, but I'm just thinking of the reverse role of the inbreeding and all the rest of it.
	Do you know Queen Elizabeth II as a descendant of Mohammed?
	No.
	It's because there's just not enough people.
	Like, if you run the equation backwards, there's not enough people in Mohammed's time for there not to have been some crossover.
	So basically, should he start the Mosque of England?
	Yeah, but also, you are a descendant of Mohammed, so am I, because the crossovers is just...
	Well, I mean, yeah, but by this standard, everyone's a descendant.
	Yeah, that's what I'm thinking in my head he's referring to.
	Well, I've not heard that.
	Unless there was some king who was just going to every whorehouse in England.
	Maybe.
	I've not heard that, you know.
	But, yeah, 9 out of 10 burgers, though.
	That's pretty good.
	Yeah, I'll take that real.
	Genghis Khan being related to, like, 6% of Asia or something.
	Yeah.
	A lot more people, though, than England.
	Yeah.
	Hi, guys.
	Right about three months ago, started cycling.
	I've covered around about 3,250 kilometres.
	Unfortunately, I never cleaned my bike.
	So now at this point, I'm going to have to replace my rear cassette, my chain, and my gear pedals and front brackets, around about £200.
	Moral of the story is, clean your room.
	God, I've got to clean my bike as well.
	Now you've said that.
	You have to clean your bike?
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, I mean, I'm riding through all kinds of weather.
	Over, you know, dirt paths and stuff.
	I thought you just had to throw more oil on it and that was it.
	Probably.
	I mean, I don't know what I'm supposed to do, but I definitely need to do it.
	Well, message for you, I suppose.
	Yeah, it was, yeah.
	Clean your bike.
	Yeah, I will.
	After critical legal studies, the activist disciplines seem to have diverged in their thinking somewhat, primarily on the axis of how they can get their activism done the hardest, how they can get most leverage in.
	That way, critical gender theorists have decided that gender is a completely arbitrary thing, a complete social construct and can be changed at the drop of a hat, while the critical race theorists have decided that race is the most important thing about you and can never ever be changed.
	And that is why you can be transgender but not transracial.
	I have to thank James Lindsay for that enlightenment and I hope it helps.
	I think it's actually more detailed than that.
	I'm currently working on extracting the information from the critical race theory stuff.
	It's not that they are so committed to race because it should never be changed.
	It's that they don't want to lose the advantage of being able to at once say it's socially constructed or it's biologically essential.
	They view it as an advantage if they can just claim both, basically.
	And so they don't really seem to care about intellectual consistency, and it's as dishonest as you can imagine there.
	It's like, well look, we're just going to do it if it's in our favour, and we're not going to do it if it's not in our favour.
	That's basically their summary.
	But we'll get to it.
	It's complex.
	I got some criticism for me not engaging in stuff like this, but I feel like I'm justified, especially at this level.
	Where it's like, you've already been proven that these people are just mad and insane and all the rest of it.
	And then the upper echelons of their discussions is just like, I'm not even sure I need to care or want to care.
	Well, I mean, it's useful to know.
	But the whole thing is activism.
	It's not about, like, you know, representing history or coming to any kind of philosophically illuminating conclusions.
	It's about how to change things.
	It's about how to...
	They don't even view themselves as trying to get a philosophical basis.
	Not really.
	They feel that they've already come to the conclusions anyway.
	And so the issue now is, right, how can something be changed through criticism?
	And essentially they're just open about subverting and undermining colour-blind liberal meritocracies.
	They're very, very open about that.
	And so they want to get rid of it.
	We'll go through it in depth.
	I'm not saying it's not an interesting question either.
	It's like listening to Maoist talk about the final points of their disagreements with Trotsky at this point.
	Yeah, it is.
	Why should I care?
	No, you are right.
	But basically, the critical race theorists split off from the critical legal scholars, because the critical legal scholars didn't have a positive vision for anything.
	They were just focused on deconstruction, and the critical race theorists were like, yeah, but our group writes.
	And it's all right, guys.
	What about black nationalism?
	Yeah, that was exactly it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Let's get to the next one.
	Jack has always had difficulty fitting in, she writes.
	We found an exile spreadsheet in Jack's folder that listed the names of all of his classmates, as well as dates and descriptions of their problematic behaviour.
	How do you think people with autism should be treated?
	If they act like an a, treat them like they're an a, because they're acting like one.
	Ray!
	Sorry, you're an asshole for sending that in.
	I don't want to say that.
	Definitely autistic as well.
	Oh, God.
	I do feel sorry for that kid, the one with the Excel spreadsheet.
	Like, he's clearly being a little Stalinist there, but it's not his fault.
	His mother's clearly done that to him.
	Yeah, but, like...
	I mean...
	The whole thing's awful.
	Yeah.
	So I can't think of the worst thing to do to your children.
	No, me neither.
	It's just be living their lives and being kids.
	Let's go to the next one.
	So this movie trailer was recently brought to my attention.
	It kind of reminds me of The Hunt, but The Hunt apparently had the message of, hey, don't go kill Republicans.
	This seems to have the message of, leftists, if you don't kill Republicans, they're going to kill you first.
	The movie's called American Insurrection.
	The trailer's been out since about August...
	And I haven't seen anyone talking about this, despite it being like 20 times worse than The Hunt.
	So I wonder if you guys have seen it and what you think of the trailer.
	Never heard of it.
	I hadn't.
	Wasn't there some movie a little while back as well where there's like some white woman moves into the neighbourhood and then she's like the black family there and she turns into some lunatic and it's like haha racist but it really just comes off as like haha democrat because it's a rich neighbourhood and then she's like Nancy Pelosi and it's I haven't heard of that yet but I'm loving this description.
	Can we go back a second?
	It was set in a dystopian America people who aren't cis white and male are given barcodes and are tracked and it's like oh really?
	Oh god.
	I do kind of think that these kind of movies are probably the worst thing possible for politics.
	I mean, in the sense of the fact that once we get to the point of just saying, well, our opponents in politics just want to kill us, well, then it just devolves into civil war, doesn't it?
	There's nothing being said.
	It's how things get radicalised.
	But you get this very rarely from right-wingers, I feel, whereas left-wingers, it's endlessly they're trying to kill trans people, Russell T. Davis.
	They're trying to kill us gay people or all the rest of it.
	Tory scum.
	Yeah, but...
	Hezekiah B. Smith, another legend of the Pines.
	He was an industrialist and congressman, originally from Vermont, settled in southern New Jersey.
	He also built a bicycle railroad from Mount Holly to Smithville.
	He didn't want his remains moved after he died, so he built an iron coffin with a cage around it in cement.
	His son attempted to move him, but couldn't do it.
	So, in spite, he knocked down the statue of his second wife and had it ground in the dust.
	What a cool guy.
	He's just absurdist.
	I mean, you look at his eyes there as well.
	He looks like a kind of lunatic who would be like, yeah, bury me in lead.
	Anyway, you and Jonah Bark doing well.
	Good afternoon, Lotus Eaters.
	One of the Callum simps on the unofficial Lotus Eaters Discord asked me to send this to you guys.
	Enjoy.
	It is marvellous, is it not?
	No, in your band.
	Stop.
	Is that the end of them?
	Alright, go to the written comments on the site.
	Alpha of the Beta says, Conservative Catholic murdered, Muslims most affected.
	Yeah.
	That's the Guardian position.
	Do you remember when they did this in response to, I think it was Charlie Hebdo?
	Yeah.
	And they had some guy who'd come on and be like, yeah, so the real community that suffered, and he made like a big long series about how the Muslim community in France are suffering because of Islamophobia in response.
	Yeah.
	Same thing happened after the Manchester bombing.
	The BBC had this one particular guy on, who I've seen in a bunch of things, who was saying, well, the real victims are basically the Muslims.
	It's like, Every single time.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we were saying, you know, half-jokingly, like, if some outlet was to do that in response to, let's say, an attack like Darren Osborne or whatever, they'd be on the prescription list like that.
	Well, it'd be the wrong thing to do.
	No, but it would be clearly and rightfully seen as you trying to defend the terrorists and their movement.
	Yeah, yeah, totally.
	Let's say National Action, before they were banned, in response to Darren Osborne's attack, had said, well, you know, the real victims are the white community like Darren Osborne.
	He had justifications, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah.
	That would get them on the prescription list.
	Rightfully.
	And it's like, well, okay, well, then the reverse has to take place.
	MEP Flyerboy.
	Who needs bullets when you can brainwash and coerce nut jobs to do the work for you?
	How do we go from radical Islamic nut job killing MP to right-wing bad stop anonymity online?
	Yeah, really good question.
	Alpha of the Base again.
	Any country pathologically incapable of facing reality will die.
	From the non-definition of woman to the impact of understanding unrestrained mass immigration to the willful ignorance of vaccine injuries to the creeping authoritarianism of the COVID police state, Britain is on the wrong track, completely and totally subverted.
	Yes.
	I was going to say, it's just such a waste of a home secretary.
	Like, I don't know what the hell is wrong with her sometimes.
	I know.
	She can come out and give some brilliant positions on some things, but when it comes to something useful, just total collapse.
	Anyway, Student of History.
	I'm going to be honest, if I'm looking for the motives of Muslim extremists, the local extremist preacher might be spot on, and I'm not going to down on the guy for being blunt.
	I'm going to down on him for being an effing extremist.
	Well, exactly right.
	Like, you know, obviously I have no support for Anjam Chowdhury, but if I want to know what a lunatic Muslim extremist is thinking, well, he is one, and he can articulate his position, as absurd as it is.
	Well, it's also why Majid Nawaz is such a good source on these sort of things as well.
	You know, he was a Muslim extremist, by his own admission.
	Absolutely.
	And now he's not.
	That means he can assess these situations through that lens.
	Kevin says, why am I not surprised that the suspect is once again known to the authorities?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, wow.
	Do you remember Tommy Robinson talking about this?
	He said there was a guy from MI5 who came out and ended up saying that they had the capacity to watch 3,000 people 24-7.
	Weren't there like 20,000 people they needed to watch?
	That was the response.
	How many do you need to watch?
	About 20,000?
	Yeah.
	Right, and those are people on 24-7 surveillance.
	Yeah.
	Never mind the chaps who need to be licked in on because they might do something like this.
	Hmm.
	Cindy says, when a terrorist commits a crime with a gun, all gun owners are guilty.
	When a white person commits a crime, all whites are guilty.
	However, when a Muslim commits an act of terror, you absolutely cannot mention the fact that they are Islamic radicals committing a crime in the name of Islam.
	Makes perfect sense.
	Cognitive dissonance is strong of the left.
	Yeah, I think the important thing, and I posted this on Facebook today, is just, look, remember that the left believes in community guilt.
	I believe that a community of people can continue to carry a moral debt throughout the generations and throughout the ages.
	That's what they do with white people, as she says, or gun owners, or whoever it is.
	The unvaccinated.
	There are loads and loads of different, I guess they'd call them dominant groups, who can be burdened with a guilt, but subordinated groups, as they would describe them, can't be burdened with guilt.
	It's interesting how North Korea actually is more lenient than the left and the west on this point.
	So they have collective guilt.
	I've mentioned it before.
	So if you were in the Korean War and you fought on the wrong side or you're a capitalist or whatever, you could put it in the gulag system.
	And you still get people thrown in there for various reasons.
	But their guilt lasts three generations.
	So their child stays in the gulag.
	And then their grandchildren also stay in the gulag system all their lives.
	But their child, they're free.
	They don't have white guilt.
	They can live.
	How nice.
	Yeah.
	Free Will says, no one buys Angela Rayner's Crocodile Tears.
	Yeah, I know, right?
	Like, imagine, literally, like, two weeks ago, she's like, the Tories are scum, and that's all they are.
	I stand by this.
	Then one gets murdered, and she's like, oh, I'm so concerned for the scum who got stabbed.
	Imagine.
	Imagine.
	David says, typical political response these days, it seems, has been a terrorist attack.
	Quick, play it down as much as possible, and use it to create more protections for MPs only.
	I'm all right, Jack.
	Yeah, I'm reminded very much of the narwhal horn usage after that terror attack on London Bridge.
	Do you not remember where they got the narwhal horn?
	It's like, okay, well, you know, this is something that happened to a private citizen in a private capacity when he was trying to mentor a young Muslim, and this guy came in and stabbed him, and they had to fend him off in the street with traffic cones and narwhal horns.
	It's like, right, okay, I mean, like...
	Okay, I agree.
	An MP being stabbed is terrible, but also a regular member of the public being stabbed is terrible.
	But only one of those people is getting police protection.
	Henry says, wait, MPs in the BBC using a horrible tragedy to push an agenda that's irrelevant to the tragedy while simultaneously making it all about them?
	Imagine my shock.
	How long before Wales introduces a curfew for men just to be on the safe side?
	Yeah, basically.
	SH Silver says, I assume the premise of removing online anonymity is because they want to be able to track who is posting and consuming content deemed to be extremist as a prelude to further and police online speech.
	Well, you would think that, except none of them said that.
	So it's like, why wouldn't you say that if that was the reason?
	Like, if you wanted to make this argument, let's say you're in pretty dull shoes, and for some reason you're like, you know, I want to go after online anonymity.
	There are a million arguments you could have right now about that, but they didn't do it.
	In connection to terrorism.
	But instead they were like, in connection to women being harassed online.
	What are you talking about?
	It's not related at all.
	The Pretty Fascist shows that no matter how base you think some Tories are on topical cultural issues, Tories will always become the party of elitists, just another side of the same authoritarian coin they share with Labour.
	There needs to be an alternative to both.
	Well, I agree.
	This specific one, I have to wonder if it's to do with power.
	Like, the higher you get in the hierarchy, the less connected to reality you become.
	It's just a rule of power.
	Because I don't know how else you can get to this position other than, I'm an MP, I get sent mean tweets, let's do something about it.
	I just can't understand why you would talk about that after a guy's been stabbed to death.
	That's my assumption.
	At that point you get deluded.
	Free Will again says, none of these talking heads give a toss about the death of Sir David.
	They have just turned it into another display in the Critical Race Theory Virtue Signalling Carnival.
	Justin says, it really disgusts me when people celebrate the deaths of others.
	I remember the insane actions that happened when Maggie died.
	Yeah, I know, that was gross as well.
	And the American right even did some celebrations when RGB died.
	People need to be more moral and stop dehumanizing their rivals.
	Yes, I agree.
	Paulie says, I know the BBC's coverage leads with a comment from Joe Cox's family saying it brought memories of her murder back.
	Try and shift focus away from RMS murder and the perpetrator.
	Yes, that was another thing, wasn't it?
	On LBC, when they first reported, they had a picture of Joe Cox.
	Rather than David Armas?
	The front page of the BBC today is Joe Cox.
	Now it's women being harassed on Twitter.
	What the hell's...
	It's absurd.
	But again, it's hard to not see it as some attempt to deliberately shift focus away from what's happened.
	It really does.
	I mean, there are pictures of Ali Ali around.
	We've shown him on this podcast.
	Like, if I was running the BBC, that would be the front page.
	Yeah.
	Him juxtaposed with David Armas.
	That's the story.
	Yeah.
	Not Joe Cox.
	I wouldn't be calling up Joe Cox's husband to harass him for a comment.
	Yeah, there's someone else, another MP's been murdered.
	Got any thoughts?
	Remember, your wife was an MP and she was murdered.
	Got any thoughts?
	No, not really.
	Why are you bringing this back?
	Kind of free-car you to do that to someone.
	Yeah, it's mad, isn't it?
	You know?
	Hey, Stephen Timms, got any thoughts about being stabbed and you can see...
	Student of History says, the only reason Labour seems to be apologetic at all is political expediency and they didn't get to hold the implement.
	Well, it seems that I think they're worried that essentially that was going to be a leftist.
	An Owen Jones type.
	Yep.
	I think they were like, because we didn't know who it was when the stabbing first came out, and they were just, oh my god, this is terrible, this is terrible, this is terrible.
	It's like, yeah.
	You're really worried this is a momentum supporter, aren't you, that's gone into the church and stabbed a conservative, you know, because of all the Tory scum you've been calling them.
	This also does happen.
	I remember, what is it, Mr.
	Pim, the Dutch MP? Yeah, Pim Fortune.
	Yeah, who was very much, here's what Islam is, and that's why I'm opposed to it, and in response a leftist stabbed him to death.
	No, he shot him in the head, didn't he?
	Oh, he shot him in the head, yes.
	MEP Fireboy again, I'm surprised the whole Labour cabinet didn't tweet Allah Akbar at the news of his death.
	I mean, I am as well, actually, now you put it like that.
	But, Free Will again, I noticed that Dr.
	Scholar doesn't seem to have too much sympathy for Sir David.
	She's only concerned that his death might cause ethnic minorities problems.
	Well, she's identified the real victim of Islamic terrorism, hasn't she?
	He says, Anyway, when it comes to the Catholics under attack...
	When anyone talks about Islam being a race, I'm just reminded of Robinson's TikTok or whatever he did.
	It got leaked.
	He did it in a WhatsApp chat for a laugh.
	It's just a clip of him going, I'm the king of the whole Islam race.
	SoupcanHarry says, when Notre Dame burned, I questioned whether it was really an accident.
	Was it?
	Was it really?
	Are you asking me to believe that the specialist workers involved in the restoration wouldn't have taken every precaution to secure the chemicals and equipment?
	I guess we'll never know.
	Yeah, I mean, and again, just putting it in the context of all of the other church burnings from arson...
	The suspicion is not unreasonable.
	No, not even slightly.
	And White Hot Pepper says, did we ever figure out how the fire at Notre Dame started two years ago?
	No, we didn't.
	No, we didn't.
	Or why the fire department didn't come to put it out for several hours.
	No, we didn't.
	Or why literally two days after it burned, they already had a new construction plan.
	No, we didn't.
	And there was a French intellectual saying, well, we should turn it into a mosque.
	Should we?
	Is that what we should do, is it?
	No.
	No, it's been conquered.
	Yeah, well, I mean, look at the higher Sophia.
	They didn't say that.
	They did say we should essentially put a mosque top on it.
	And it's like, why?
	Anyway.
	But yeah, so no, we don't know.
	We don't know.
	Daniel says, food for thought, the use of the term diverse is identical to the use of the term exotic.
	Yeah.
	It is, actually.
	It's kind of fetishisation, isn't it?
	Also, ethnic.
	Remember, people used to say, like, I'm going to have ethnic food.
	I don't know if they still do, but you don't hear it here.
	Yeah, I find that really interesting, as if, like, Scottish people aren't ethnic.
	It's not an ethnicity.
	English, not an ethnicity.
	No.
	Your fish and chips, it's just not part of your culture.
	But it also just sounds like a bit of a weird fetishisation, as you say.
	Yeah.
	It's just like, I'm going to have exotic people in my company.
	Ooh!
	The representation of exotic people in my company.
	I've travelled, don't you know?
	Yeah, like that.
	That's how it comes across, doesn't it?
	Jimbo says, it appears for some that Sir David deserved to die because of his political opinions.
	When you rationalise anyone who disagrees with you as your violent enemy, even jihad can be your friend.
	How long until there essentially becomes Sinn Féin 2.0?
	Well, I mean, we already live in the troubles.
	Will Ismus ever be treated like people from the IRA? Great question.
	I don't really know what he means by that.
	I mean, they are prescribed.
	Only several groups are.
	It's the funny thing about this prescription list.
	The only reason I keep bringing it up is because I find it fascinating.
	The fact that the Home Secretary can be like, banned.
	There's no, like, nothing that has to be done.
	No parliamentary approval.
	There's no oversight.
	No committees.
	Like, literally, if Rudy Patel tomorrow could just turn around and be like, yeah, you're banned.
	Literally banned.
	Illegal to be a member of...
	Liberal Democrat.
	Banned.
	It's real.
	I'd be using this power a lot more if I were Rudy Patel.
	Anyway, but the list is like, I don't know, 50 groups long or something?
	And there's like one communist, which is the Turkish PKK, a couple of far-right groups, as I mentioned, National Action, and one other whose name I forget.
	Oh, sorry, the Anti-Capitalist Action Group.
	It's just Antofar, but replaced with Anti-Capitalist.
	Right, okay.
	Yeah, and then you have just Islamist, Islamist, Islamist, Islamist, Islamist, and it just keeps going forever.
	What a shock.
	Yeah, but I don't know what else...
	We could do to them.
	Well, I mean, deport people who have been convicted of terrorism.
	Andrew Trowdy, how is he still in this country?
	Does he have to your citizenship with Pakistan or something?
	Don't care.
	Deport him out into the sea for all I care.
	Bin Laden style.
	Yeah, exactly.
	To put him into the sun via the use for cannon.
	I don't know.
	Why would you allow someone who has inspired a bunch of terrorist attacks and who's an unashamed terrorist preacher to be remaining in the country?
	There's no reason for it.
	I know it took them a hell of a long time to finally get him publicly supporting Islamic State and that's where they got the conviction.
	Because they knew he had been making terrorists for a long time.
	But now you've got him, get rid of him.
	I don't know what the law is, though.
	I could just prescribe him.
	I wonder how that would work.
	It's illegal to be a member of Andam Chowdhury.
	Henry says, I wonder how many of them would say the same thing about Joe Cox.
	Yeah, they're not kind, are they?
	Well, that's interesting!
	Because I think, to respect the memory of Sir David Armes, one thing that he thought was that we needed to bring back the death penalty.
	And I think that he may have had a point.
	Because there are some acts that are so heinous and done in...
	The light of cold calculation through rational decision, not in the heat of passion, someone who has made a plan perhaps to travel 50 miles, to lie about where he lives, to get into the church, and then just silently stabs him to death and then waits around to be arrested, that maybe that person deserves to be hung for what they've done.
	And I think that's a fair point.
	I think that the death penalty is appropriate for some types of crimes, because the moral burden and the conscious decision to do such a thing is something that you just can't come back from.
	You deserve to be killed for this.
	You deserve to hang.
	up i found in regards to that no so ian dale tweeted out an interview he did with david armus when he was alive and he was just reflecting on his life and all the things he'd done all the rest of it was quite cute actually he's a very likable guy and there's one section in there where he asked him on the death penalty and david's just like well you know i knew a family member who was stabbed to death and uh the grief that caused the family and all the rest of it and i just think if that happened that person doesn't really have a light to live do they it's like it It's so, you know, prophetic almost.
	And, yeah, I mean, if you wanted to live his final wish, that's...
	Bring back the death penalty for terrorists.
	And Preet Patel has probably stated multiple times she's in favour of the death penalty.
	So, Conservatives, what are you waiting for?
	The funny thing being there that she was quite far more extremist than I would be in the sense that she thought death penalty could be applied to general murderers, rapists, and so forth, because it's not entirely proven there.
	This chap, along with many others, as we've mentioned in the past...
	He's going to end up with a whole life order.
	Because he's committed terrorism.
	I know he did it.
	He's going to die in jail.
	He will have the death penalty done to him by prison.
	By time.
	And we'll pay for that.
	And there's no reason to say that he's ever going to be let loose.
	That's what the standard for a whole life order is meant to be.
	In which case, we'll then...
	There's no doubt over who did it.
	There's no doubt why he did it.
	You know, he doesn't seem in any way repentant.
	Like, why not just give him the gallows?
	Like, this very specific part of British law is the way it is.
	And this is why I'm also just befuddled by Priti Patel's response to the whole thing, is that if she wanted to do one thing on this, you could actually argue, well, David argued for exactly this.
	There's the clip of him arguing for the death penalty for people who stabbed family members to death.
	Also, she's pro-death penalty.
	Talk about that.
	Have that discussion.
	I mean, even if you agree or disagree with it.
	That's the thing you would imagine a Conservative Home Secretary to do in response to a terrorist attack on a Conservative MP. And instead, it's like, yeah, tweet.
	Twitter.
	Anonymity.
	Online.
	Because MPs are receiving tweets they don't like.
	Oh my god.
	It's such a...
	I don't even want to say disappointment at this point.
	It's just absurd.
	But George has sent us an update about the burger they dipped.
	It wasn't mustard, it was nacho cheese.
	I don't know what nacho cheese is like in America, but...
	Creamy?
	I can't imagine dipping a McDonald's hamburger in it.
	No, I can't either.
	But final comment from Henry.
	When experiencing the first encounter with Christianity in the 7th century, the emperor of China said something along the lines of, it is based, a religion whose values will persist long after its practice.
	A little historical white pill for you guys.
	And that's not wrong.
	We're all sort of latent Christians in a way.
	Even though we don't practice Christianity, we agree with the fundamental construction of its value system.
	And on that white pill, probably time to end the show.
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