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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #187

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 30th of July 2021.
	I'm joined by Carl.
	Hello.
	And today we're going to be talking about how the media is purposely trying to radicalize the population along racial lines and cause division.
	Also, the EU is apparently scared of memes.
	This is the second time.
	Now they're deciding that they need to, what is it, quarantine your memes.
	How do they?
	They think they're too risque.
	Also, London now has a Holocaust memorial on Well, it's a proposed Holocaust memorial that's been approved.
	Right.
	As if we're somehow responsible?
	We're not Germans.
	No.
	So, not sure what that one's about.
	Anyway, a couple of things to mention first.
	So, just firstly, all the premium content we have on the site.
	So, I know you want to talk about this.
	Yeah, well, we've got loads of premium content, but the reason we were late today is we're having a few technical glitches, and so you might have a bit of a problem accessing the site, but this will be fixed in very soon, in due course.
	So apologies there, hence we're not streaming there at the moment because, again, problems.
	But they will be fixed very shortly, but we've got loads of great stuff, so when the website is back up, you can go up and sign up and check all of that out.
	And at four o'clock today, we're having the gold-tier monthly Zoom call, where we're just going to hang out and chat, so...
	I wonder why that is.
	The far right did this.
	In the United States, you have 29% of people who have trust in the media.
	One Axios Survey Monkey poll found that 8 in 10 independent voters believed that news organizations report news that they know to be fake, false, or purposely misleading.
	92% of Republicans felt the way, and a majority of Democrats felt the same way about this.
	Which means that readers and viewers believe that mistakes we so often see, particularly in the political media that dominates the national landscape, are not happening because of human error, but as a convenient excuse offered up from left-leaning journalists when bombshell reports end up being false, fake, or purposely misleading.
	Now, there are just so many examples of this.
	Where would you like to begin?
	I'd like to begin just by mentioning as well that the UK in every poll about European press trustworthiness is dead lass.
	I know some defenders will be like, yeah, well, Kenya's probably got a repressive media.
	Finland doesn't.
	It is not a problem of repression or free media.
	It is a problem with the Anglosphere and the culture among corporate media.
	Yeah, and honestly, I think it's particularly the influence of radical left-wing politics that is playing into this extreme divisiveness along the lines of race, which we'll show shortly.
	But anyway, we've got loads of examples of the lies.
	I mean, Russian collusion, anyone?
	Anyone?
	Miss Maddow?
	Anyone?
	Found nothing, obviously.
	Three-year investigation, millions of dollars wasted, nothing.
	Not a thing.
	What about the Russian bounties on US troops?
	Never happened.
	The COVID-19 theory that the virus may have come from a lab?
	Definitely not, except when it actually may have happened.
	And various other, I mean, it's not just the things they report either, it's also the things they don't report, such as the Hunter Biden laptop story and all of Hunter Biden's connections to Chinese interests, but never mind.
	This has been a long-running problem, and thanks to the Trump movement, let's say, it's become more and more obvious.
	Yes, yeah, the constant lying and misrepresenting of Donald Trump.
	I mean, again, there's no point pointing out small examples when you have these mega examples.
	Examples that are just so big that it's quite staggering that the media would think that anyone should trust them at this point.
	But interestingly, the newspapers studied where the New York Times, Washington Post, St.
	Louis Post-Dispatch, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC were all analysed on the TV front.
	And digital journalism was represented by Polisco, The Blaze, Breitbart, BuzzFeed, Daily Caller and Huffington Post.
	So a good selection of both left and right leaning outlets.
	And they came to the conclusion that, quote, the findings point to a gradual and subtle shift over time between old and new media toward a most subjective form of journalism that is grounded in personal experience and personal perspective.
	Sorry.
	Not exactly facts first, but feelings first is The Hill's summary of it.
	This is what the journalism industry has become in the West.
	And there are great examples of this.
	I mean, this is from the Washington Examiner criticizing the media for downplaying the Black Lives Matter riots while playing up the Capitol Hill riots.
	The Capitol Hill riots are a massively overstated issue, in my opinion.
	The police let them into the building.
	There was some violence.
	One of the rioters got shot.
	The rioters didn't kill anyone.
	That is fake news that was bandied around by literally all of the media outlets and politicians.
	It just turned out to not be true.
	Carl, it was the new 9-11.
	Well, our sacred democracy.
	Also, violence in American politics.
	Never heard of it until January 6th.
	Yes, never happened before.
	And so the Washington Examiner are like, well, look, you complain about them attacking the Capitol, which I guess we can call it.
	And that's the most charitable interpretation of that.
	Not massively damaging to the building.
	Doesn't seem like a few smashed windows on the outside by masked agitators.
	Who are called Antifa by the crowd, but never mind.
	Comparatively, the Black Lives Matter riots that happened all across the summer in 2020, across 140 US cities, at least 1 billion to 2 billion paid in insurance claims, which sets a record that was previously set by the 1992 Los Angeles riots.
	In Minneapolis, George Floyd's death estimated that rioters caused damage to 1,500 businesses and $500 million in property damage.
	Again, just in Minneapolis.
	This happened in 140 cities.
	Every single day.
	Yes.
	And then, of course, you have the scenes in Portland where you have protests and riots for over 100 consecutive days, damages exceeding $23 million before the protests reached 100 days, and, of course, federal buildings such as courthouses and police stations being vandalised, burned, and taken over.
	Or bombed.
	Or bombed.
	And that's not even including the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone and things like this.
	So it's no surprise that even Newsweek, even Newsweek, Post an article like this.
	Riots not protests.
	The media is gaslighting you.
	We know the media is lying.
	The media is telling on itself.
	Yes, actually, we are lying.
	This is from a conservative commentator who says this.
	The Pacific Northwest is under siege.
	Nightly riots overtake Portland.
	In Seattle, there are three costly and dangerous riots in just over a week.
	People are getting injured.
	Both businesses and public buildings are being destroyed and vandalised.
	The media is pretending it's not really happening.
	Yes, because they're in favour of it.
	Politically aligned with the people doing the rioting.
	That's why.
	And everyone can see it.
	So, allegations that, what, the media is telling the truth?
	Who says that?
	I mean, a best example would probably actually be MSNBC after the 2016 election, in which they spoke around after looking at the results.
	And who was it?
	I can't remember who it was, but they said, why did we become cheerleaders for the Clinton campaign?
	And you can see everyone in the room realising, oh god.
	Was it Joe Scarborough?
	Yeah, they realised these left-wing journalists also looked at each other and you could tell the atmosphere in the room was just, oh god, we really are awful, aren't we?
	Yes, and they really are.
	I mean, you could see it on the Clinton campaign where she had just a media, like, gaggle.
	Harem.
	Yeah, Haram, yeah, that was on her plane following her around, and they were doing, you know, like viral videos with the media and representatives and stuff like that.
	It's like, okay, this is unreal, right?
	And so obviously it's no surprise that, what was it, 90 plus percent of the coverage of Trump was negative?
	Something along those lines?
	Almost all of it was negative.
	And in...
	And the thing is, if it wasn't so obvious that they hated Donald Trump, and if it was just that, it'd be like, okay, so it's just Trump.
	For the rest of the coverage in society, they're pretty normal.
	But that's not the case, right?
	There's an amazing thread by, again, that libs of TikTok Twitter account.
	Which honestly isn't long for this world.
	It's going to get suspended because it keeps making the establishment look ridiculous.
	We can go to the next one, John.
	You can see the source of the recent infographics that have been going around of just the comparative headlines.
	And we can just get these up, John, so you can read them properly.
	The effect of the Black Lives Matter protests on the coronavirus case is explained.
	Coronavirus cases are increasing, but Black Lives Matter protests are not to blame.
	And then compared to the one, the attack on the Capitol may have also been a super spreader event.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Just how stupid do you think people are?
	But if we can just scroll down that thread, John, just to show how pervasive this problem is, right?
	So that's Vox.
	Go down.
	Oh, there we are.
	Forbes, exactly the same problem.
	Exactly the same...
	Events talked about in exactly the same ways, with an obvious partisan bias defending the Black Lives Matter race riots against the Capitol Hill, I guess, democratic riots?
	You know, the concerns about the integrity of democracy?
	I'm happy to call it Stomach for this purpose.
	You can see there's CNN, New York Times, the one before I can't remember the name of, Insider.
	Exactly the same narrative, exactly the same events.
	CBS. Exactly.
	Continual.
	It's everywhere.
	Washington Post.
	Keep going down.
	Just scroll down a bit faster if you're right, John, because it keeps going.
	ABC, CBN, The Verge, AP, Guardian, and then just Seattle Times.
	It just doesn't stop.
	Wall Street Journal.
	How many examples are needed?
	How many examples are needed to show the obvious partisan bias in favor of people who are just openly racists and have real problems with white people and say it, continually say?
	You know, the right is never talking about race politics.
	They never mention race.
	They never bring this up.
	It's always the left that emphasizes constant racial grievances.
	And this is not, like, new to the left.
	Go back 100 years.
	Obviously, the left is the party of race politics.
	Obviously.
	Don't want to talk about the movements that they started back then, though, do they?
	Disavowed all that, and now they've got a new kind of race politics.
	Race politics that's against white people, rather than in favour of them.
	I'm so sick of race politics.
	Anyway, so, moving on to the media's promotion of race politics.
	Critical race theory became something that everyone was like, hang on a second, this seems to be an outright attempt to generate deliberate racial divisions.
	And in fact, if you actually go and read their Bibles, their origins of their texts, you can read through it and it's remarkable just how gross the critical race theorists are.
	For a start, they oppose the integration policies of the 70s.
	They oppose those.
	They are actually very much proponents of the separate but equal doctrine.
	They view themselves as a separate nation.
	the blacks are a separate nation within the United States, and so essentially are acting like they should be given their own parallel legal systems, which is one of the primary concerns.
	And of course, the way that voting works in the United States is a major problem for them.
	They want to have racial voting demographics, not individual votes in local areas, but instead like cross-terrain racial blocks that vote for their interests.
	Very much like the Black Panthers, just on a, let's say, less state basis, but instead different legal systems.
	Yeah, and they explicitly refer to the example of the Black Panthers, saying, well, look, the centrist liberals viewed the Black Panthers' race consciousness as being the source of racism, because it is, but we want to continue with that race consciousness, because race consciousness is the very basis of critical race theory, and that is, of course, also the very basis of And so you get things like this in the New York Times.
	Oh, why is everyone panicking about critical race theory?
	Well, because it seems to be actively pathologizing black people and, like, treating white people and treating black people as if they are actually inferior to white people, which I think is personally unacceptable.
	I think that everyone should be governed by the same standard.
	I don't know why I have to say that.
	But no, just redo that for a second.
	Why is the country panicking about segregation?
	It's not that big of a deal.
	It's exactly why people are panicking about it, because it is exactly the same ideology that everyone thought they put to bed.
	They thought they'd abolished it, essentially, in the 60s and 70s.
	Why is the country panicking about racial balkanization?
	That's what that is.
	And it's like, well, because that's a bad thing.
	Like, we don't want racial...
	We don't want constant racial tensions being stoked up for no good reason, because there isn't...
	And everything the critical race theorists complain about happened literally 50 years ago.
	Like, they're all complaining about things that happened in the 60s and 70s and before.
	It's like, okay, those things were bad.
	They're not happening now.
	Stop whining about it.
	But anyway...
	so uh anyway you get these sorts of um defenses and here's just a piece from this once the domain of graduate schools critical race theory is an intellectual tradition that emerged in the 1970s that sought to interrogate how the law produces and maintains racial hierarchy i'm just asking questions bro just Just asking questions about why the whites are oppressing the blacks and will and have forever.
	Because that's something that you really want black people to think, isn't it?
	It's not going to breed resentment from black people to whites or then just any other community, by the way.
	I mean, it's not like Jews and Asians and Hispanics or anything else are having problems because of what is being done to these communities by the critical race theorists.
	They tend to share several key assumptions, says one law professor at Georgetown.
	Race is not a biological fact, but a social construction.
	Race is not aberrational, but an inherited ordinary feature of society.
	So racism.
	So all of society is racist.
	Racial hierarchy is primarily the product of systems, not individual prejudice.
	Racial progress is accommodated only to the extent that it converges with the interests of white people.
	And lived experience, not just data, constitutes relevant evidence to scholarship.
	So the assumption underpinning all of this is that black people are being racially oppressed by white people on a conscious level.
	White people are deliberately, through their institutions, which I mean, you may say, well, what about like in Detroit or Baltimore, where these institutions are majority black controlled?
	But like, hey, shut up, white supremacist.
	The institution itself is a product of the white racial consciousness, and therefore is designed to oppose black people and oppress black people.
	That's the critical theory of position.
	Well, that's also how you get such amazing takes as black man beats up Asian man.
	Yeah, but he lived in America.
	Therefore, white supremacy is there.
	That's exactly how they get to that consequences.
	And of course, this means that all white people are racist, and so you have people like Roman D'Angelo who just come out and say, Hi, I'm a racist, and I'm really scared that I'm treating black people badly because of my racism.
	It's like, okay, have you considered not being a racist?
	But of course, she feels you can't help it.
	Anyway, people like Christopher Rufo have been doing a great job on this.
	Christopher Rufo, James Lindsay, lots of good people doing stuff on this.
	And he gives us a definition of critical race theory that's actually honest and speaks to the actual essentials of it.
	He says, Critical race theory is an academic discipline formulated in the 1990s, which is where it is properly formulated, but it does have its origins in the 70s and critical legal scholarship, built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism.
	Relegated for many years to universities and obscure academic journals, over the past decade it has been increasingly the default ideology in our public institutions.
	It has been injected into government agencies, public schools, teacher training programs, and corporate human resources departments in the form of diversity training programs, human resources modules, public policy frameworks, and school curricula.
	Totally correct.
	Absolutely 100% correct.
	That's exactly what it is.
	And the essential nature of the description and definition there, notice how the defense of critical race theory is, well, here are a few things that they happen to agree on.
	It's like, sure, you can say, well, you know, like...
	Men and women are exactly the same.
	Why?
	Because they've got two arms and two legs.
	It's like, sure, but that's not speaking to the essential difference between them.
	Whereas Christopher Ruffo is calling it a framework of identity-based Marxism because that is what it is.
	Kimberley Crenshaw is one of the progenitors of critical race theory and, of course, she's very proud.
	This is just an interview in Vanity Fair, a puff piece in Vanity Fair, calling Kimberley Crenshaw the mastermind genius behind all of this and how she's weathering the culture wars that she helped stoke.
	Just came about there.
	White people, innit?
	Anyway...
	I mean, imagine this coming from a clan member.
	Yeah, this...
	Well, I caused this racial war, and now, I don't know, I'm suffering because of it.
	Please donate to my Patreon.
	Well, listen to this.
	I don't think this is about a real difference in opinion, nor is it a debate that it is winnable.
	This is about a weapon they're using to hold on to power.
	Sounds like warlike rhetoric, doesn't it?
	You have a weapon...
	Rejecting your racism.
	Rejecting her racism is a weapon to hold on to power.
	And so, presumably, her racism is a weapon with which to seize power.
	Or else, why are we even having this conversation?
	But anyway, so obviously her assumptions about the United States is there's a white supremacist country, which means all white people in the Americas are racist and have a direct racial interest in oppressing black people for some reason.
	And so you can see critical race theory and critical race consciousness in action through some of the wonderful clips that mythicist Milwaukee chaps have dug up for us.
	And these are just awful.
	Let's watch.
	Bro, how does it feel knowing that push comes to shove?
	Your skin's kind of nice.
	Just watch.
	I don't know.
	I mean, it makes me feel, like, sad because, like, God knows I don't deserve it.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I didn't choose to be white.
	So, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, it makes me upset that, like, you know, my brothers and sisters of, like, other races can't, like, experience those things for something that I didn't, like, you know, I didn't do anything to, like, deserve that.
	You know what I mean?
	So, like, I don't know.
	It just makes me upset.
	So, this is the problem with white people.
	The question then becomes, what should we do?
	So there are all sorts of white people sitting out here in the class right now saying, so what should I do?
	Do you think that's appropriate?
	No.
	Do you think that fosters racial unity when the teachers in front of the class of hundreds of kids get a white kid and a black kid up and say, right, black person, you're being oppressed because of your race.
	The white person's got all of these privileges.
	White person, I want you to feel bad about this.
	Black person, who knows what you feel about it.
	Sociologist professor there being like, yeah, sociology as a science.
	Yeah.
	This is obvious kook nonsense.
	Yeah.
	And of course, this doesn't just hurt the black children and students, which it obviously does.
	You know, teaching them that they are literally inferior and second-class citizens, probably unethical, I would suggest.
	I really, really think that's bad, actually.
	But never mind.
	Anyway, let's see what the teachers think about what happens to the white kids.
	I also think that, and there's some studies that have borne this out a little bit, that we don't actually, we have to support our classrooms and our student bodies in navigating racial tension if that starts to show up because white kids are feeling like, oh, I'm only always the bad guy.
	Like we have to, which is why we need those anti-racist models and to just have that conversation.
	But in terms of their development, this is gonna sound really counterintuitive, especially if you're a parent.
	We actually, there's a number of studies that suggest we shouldn't be worrying too much about making white kids feel bad because they get so much false messages about their goodness that it's actually kind of critically important for them.
	Now, we don't want to induce shame, right?
	Which is why they need those models.
	They need to hear, say, yeah, white people can do racial justice too, right?
	Here's some examples.
	So we don't want to introduce shame, and there's a tricky line, and we don't want to cause racial tension where then they have no way to enter the diversity conversation.
	And so we need to talk about anti-racism with them.
	We need to give them those models.
	But we also actually need to...
	It's good for them to feel a bit...
	Like, white guilt is a really big problem.
	And my goal as a parent is to get my kids into white guilt and beyond it as young as possible.
	Because white adults are running around with white guilt and we're stuck.
	White guilt has to happen.
	It's a developmental need.
	If you believe in equity and you live in this kind of system and you're white, you're going to hit white guilt.
	So in my mind, I'm like, I need my four-year-old to experience white guilt so I can support her out of it and beyond it.
	And I don't want her doing it when she's 20.
	I want her to be well past that point.
	Can you even imagine how awful that must be for those children?
	A sick, evil cultist.
	Yes.
	It's disgusting.
	And that's what the media is defending and promoting when they're promoting and defending critical race theory and Black Lives Matter and all of these other radical left-wing movements.
	This is just so obvious, and it's not surprising to me at all that people think the media are a bunch of liars and race grifters that are pushing division.
	Anyway.
	That was sick.
	Yeah, it's disgusting.
	It's really disgusting.
	Anyway.
	So the EU is afraid of memes.
	I remember this happened before when they tried to ban memes with Article 11, but they've decided, no, a new strategy will just declare them terrorism.
	So here's the story.
	Memes and humour are central weapons of the far right, claims the EU. So this is an article Josh has written that goes into more depth than we're going to here with some context.
	But one of those things being that they really struggle at first to define what the far right is, and then later define it as everyone...
	And in here he mentions some of the context being that in the UK, for example, in January, it emerged that the number of prevent referrals to a government counter-terrorism initiative rose by 90%, and those being referred were all pensioners.
	All those far-right pensioners sharing memes on the internet.
	Josh did an interview with a guy who is involved in this sort of thing and he was just like, yeah, they're basically just telling us you need to go and find some more far-right people because it's politically correct and therefore it's just, yeah, pensioners, a bunch of terrorists, mate.
	What are you going to do about it?
	Yeah, there's been a huge push in the UK recently for them to say, oh yes, the major threat to the country is far-right terrorism.
	It's like, where is it?
	It's just not happening.
	Also, what is far-right terrorism?
	Well, yeah.
	Define it.
	Sure.
	So let's go for the article itself.
	So this is the document that was published, and it looks like a joke.
	It looks like a 4chan prank.
	So here's the front page.
	It's not funny anymore.
	Far-right extremists' use of humour.
	Okay, yeah, that does look like a joke.
	I also love how it implies it was funny once.
	So the guys who wrote this presumably incredibly into those far-eyed memes, but now not so interested.
	So this is published by the Radicalization Awareness Network.
	So they want to inform you about the radicalization that's taking place online.
	How are the terrorists doing it?
	Yeah, but the terrorists, the people who want to kill people, what are they doing?
	Showing memes.
	How dare they?
	If that's it, I'm not too worried, thanks.
	Anyway, so let's go for the page four on here.
	So some of the quotes from this document are amazing.
	We don't have time to go into all of it, so I've just taken out some of the bits I find most interesting.
	So they say, this paper scrutinizes how humor functions as a potential factor in the terms of influencing far-right extremist violence.
	Right.
	So, this is going to come down to, everyone engages in humour, but the far right do too.
	Therefore, the humour causes you to be far right.
	Well, I mean, that's not true.
	The left never engage in humour.
	No, that's true.
	You got me there.
	And I actually agree with that later on.
	So, humour in the context of preventing and countering violent extremism has largely been discussed as a means to combat extremist ideologies...
	I love how that word's like their department is making counter memes, where they're sitting up all day being like, nah, I'm going to debunk this far right meme by making a meme in response.
	Well, maybe they are.
	So we know who's responsible for all those blocks of text that we keep getting sent.
	Various counter-narrative campaigns have deployed humour to question the authority of extremist groups and ridicule their ambitions.
	What authority?
	Also, what counter-narrative campaigns?
	Are you actually admitting that you stay up all night making blocks of text memes?
	Is that really what your department does?
	I guess they do.
	Jesus Christ, you need some budget cuts.
	Even though it is difficult to measure the effectiveness of such campaigns...
	That's just a way of saying these campaigns weren't effective.
	Still gotta fund them.
	Research has shown that such endeavours are appropriate to spin democratic alternatives for effective youths.
	so even though it doesn't we can't measure it working it's still appropriate to be funded we we still feel that we need to be making up our own memes and narratives because people are saying things online that we don't like i just i i don't get how they could word this seriously and then look at it and be like yeah i'm going to submit that so they they say later on yet much less attention has been paid to how humor is utilized by extremist groups and subcultures as a means of recruitment Okay, one thing before we go further.
	If an extremist group is reduced to their recruitment strategy being, let's make some jokes, they really are at the bottom of the bottom.
	I don't know what they're doing with their lives that they're at the point of just being like, well, we'll just joke about our ideology and I'll get people in.
	That's our strategy.
	We'll make fun of ourselves.
	Joke's on you, EU. I was retarded the whole time.
	God, anyway.
	So, especially in light of the digitally mediated wave of far-right terrorism that has struck Christchurch, El Paso, and Halle, I don't know how to say it, amongst others.
	So this is the example which you could say is the charitable interpretation of why they've done this.
	So you've got in Christchurch, for example, the guy played meme songs during his livestream in his attack.
	I assume in El Paso, similar sentiment.
	And with the one in Germany, he posted a bunch of memes in his manifesto.
	And that's that.
	Like, okay, far-right extremists engage in memes.
	The rest of society also engages in memes.
	I don't know why you think understanding far-right memes is going to make you better at combating extremism.
	I would have thought you'd be dealing with the terrorism side of this, not the meme side.
	Memes are such a ubiquitous part of being on the internet.
	This is like essentially saying, well, the far-right terrorists sent emails.
	Emails are radicalising people to the far right.
	It's like, well, no...
	A means of communication did this.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Did you know the printing press is what's radicalising the far right?
	I mean, that's actually the Catholic Church's opinion of those damn Protestants.
	That was the argument at the time, and this is the same argument here.
	I'm sorry to say, you look ridiculous for making it.
	So they continue.
	The perpetrators of these attacks did not have a criminal record and were neither members of extremist organizations, nor did they have any links to local scenes.
	Rather, they emerged from digital subcultures, which share, besides their receptiveness to extremist ideas, a cynical style of humor intended to numb and desensitize its consumers to the use of violence.
	In their manifestos, the terrorists consequently adopted expropriations of meme culture and online milieus, in particular image-based forums such as 4chan and 8kun.
	Sharing around Wall Street Journal and New York Times articles saying Black Lives Matter did nothing wrong?
	Because that would be extremist violence in my opinion.
	This is such a weird argument where it's like the exchange of information exists.
	This is a medium of it, meme sharing as opposed to emails or the printing press and so on and so forth.
	And the far right engages in this.
	And that's what made them the terrorist, because they weren't a member of the Klan or something.
	Instead, they were reading stuff online.
	That made them the terrorist.
	Therefore, the method by which they read it is the thing of interest.
	I suppose that would be where you would go if you were part of the EU. Yeah.
	So page five, trust me, this gets a lot more funny as well, so stick with us, because I wanted to go through some of the arguments they made.
	So, while it is a truism that extremist movements are only successful if they speak the language of the masses, researchers and practitioners have been repeatedly overwhelmed by the new guises that extremist communication has adopted in the digital era.
	What do you mean?
	Like, people have been making memes, and you're like, what are these?
	But that's not even true.
	Like, the radical left does not speak the language of the masses.
	Essentially, an entire separate language to describe their concepts.
	No one understands what the hell they're talking about.
	And they're not popularly supported at all, and yet they've done very, very well.
	So, no, that's not true.
	Extremists can speak in their own language.
	They can form a vanguard, perhaps, and take over the elite.
	Yes, yes.
	Has a left-wing extremist ever done that before?
	I have no idea.
	I guess we'd have to go open a history book to find out, wouldn't we?
	The playful and ironic re-articulation of white supremacism and ethno-nationalism has largely been understood as an innovative strategy to appeal to broader audiences.
	I really don't think that that's smart.
	Like, they're thinking of the white nationalists sitting down being like, right, what if we do memes instead?
	Yeah, but you know why they're thinking that, right?
	It's because that's exactly what the left did with critical race theory.
	theory.
	They sit back and have a million theories about how to do it first.
	It's like that's not how that works, obviously.
	They just are throwing stuff at the wall and they think that that works.
	Like they found a medium of communication and they're using it, such as printing books for example.
	It's another medium of communication they use.
	So a strange mixture of infantile mischief This doesn't make them look like a threat Communication ambivalence and a strong dose of nihilism that promote extremist ideas That's them describing the memes as what they are.
	Mischief.
	I think you should judge a man by the quality of his enemies.
	If your enemies are posting infantile memes on the internet, maybe that says something about you.
	Also, I love the idea that they point out that the far right, what's interesting about their memes?
	It contains mischief, which de facto means that the far left don't engage in mischief.
	No, they're reinforcing the current power structures.
	Nice for them to admit it.
	They also have a section on terminology, which is the bit that I'm very interested in.
	So they define far right.
	Far right extremism encompasses a range of different ideologies, which may include elements of cultural, ethnic and or racial nationalism.
	Cultural nationalism is far right.
	Oh, hang on.
	Ethnic nationalism, in the way they're using it, means that the demand for a Kurdish state would be far-right terrorism.
	IRA. Far-right.
	Palestinians.
	Far-right.
	Wow.
	But also the cultural part.
	The Lib Dems.
	Far-right.
	I'm actually really impressed at how inclusive the far-right is.
	I didn't realise it would be so international, diverse...
	Left-leaning?
	The Swiss Constitution.
	Far right.
	Israel?
	Far right.
	Poland?
	Far right.
	There's a lot of countries with what I thought were many diverse interests.
	So in case you're worrying and being like, well, come on, they're only going to deal with the white nationalist propaganda online as if that's an appropriate thing for the government to do either.
	No, no.
	Anyone.
	Anyone they just feel like, apparently.
	Because the definition of far right encompasses the entire western canon of politics.
	I'm reasonably sure that...
	It is actually...
	No, anyway, I'll check that before I carry on.
	So they have a quote here.
	They put in a quote.
	The most potent weapons known to mankind are satire and ridicule.
	So, Alinsky.
	Yeah, they're quoting Alinsky here.
	I love the way they do it, because again, it's kind of a dunk on themselves.
	Civil rights activist Saul Alinsky wrote back in 1971.
	In his renowned book, Rules for Radicals, this advice has been key to winning the hearts of minds of people, especially by progressive movements.
	Alinsky being the small c communist that he was.
	As, quote, through humour much is accepted that would otherwise be rejected if presented seriously.
	So progressive movements have made great strides through presenting people dishonestly their ideas.
	Like, if we presented people with progressive ideas just up front, no one believed them, but we put them in humour and now people believe them.
	But they're also complaining that the far right are copying their methods, and that's not allowed because they're our methods.
	Progressives.
	They don't say the far left.
	They're not trying to say the Stalinists or something.
	No, they're saying the progressives are the mirror image of what they're calling the far right.
	I have no idea who the centrists are in these people's universe.
	I mean, I agree with them, though.
	So let's go to page six.
	So they say, recent generations of far-right extremists have chosen the transgressive humour and supposed, in blocks there, satire, as central weapons in the fight against a liberal democracy and its political correctness, which is depicted as prudish and patronising.
	Oh no, political correctness is totally cool, my man.
	Nah, political correctness is very subversive.
	That's why it's political correctness.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	You've got these goddamn morons.
	Phrasing a politically correct attitude, humour has been weaponised as a form of resistance against a political culture that is supposedly curtailing free speech.
	Oh, supposedly.
	Supposedly.
	Oh, well, I mean, if it's not really doing that, then that's fine.
	Like, we need to censor people who are anyone who's a Westerner, pretty much, on the basis that they're far right now.
	But also, there's no supposed curtailing of free speech going on, folks.
	But also, we are coming for your memes.
	Don't know whether that's a big deal for you.
	Why do they think political correctness isn't cool?
	Good, the EU is so out of touch.
	Clear-cut distinctions between the digital and analogue, as well as mischief and bigotry, are increasingly difficult to make.
	I wonder why that is.
	It's almost as if certain people, progressives, have been redefining terms like racism, sexism, and all the rest of it, so that we have no idea what any of these goddamn subjects mean.
	Violence can be done via the internet now, according to progressives.
	Speech is silence.
	But also, silence is violence.
	Yes.
	So, everyone's in trouble.
	You can't win.
	I love that though.
	They're trying to blame the white nationalists for this.
	They're all the white nationalists' faults.
	This is not one of theirs.
	The problem of the problem being able that we don't know what bigotry is or jokes anymore is because of the left's encompass of anything jokes is also some kind of violence.
	Mad.
	Which is what they're doing in this article.
	Which is kind of ironic.
	So, digital culture is based on the core belief that ways of interaction online differ fundamentally from the offline world.
	Well, we know that they do.
	Yeah.
	This is also their cope.
	Like, no one would talk to you on Twitter in real life as they do on Twitter.
	No one would do it.
	Of course.
	But this paragraph here is actually them coping.
	So they know that what they've written here is ridiculous.
	So they're like, right, but what if we do a Kafka trap and anyone who ridicules us is also far right?
	So they write here,"...the internet is serious business," in quotes,"...has become an ironic meme, the meaning of which is actually the exact opposite." Which is to say that the internet is not serious business at all.
	And anyone who thinks otherwise should be corrected and ridiculed.
	Like, maybe you could take that statement seriously if you're an absolute moron.
	But let's go to page 7, and let me dispel you of any such delusions.
	Because what are the memes they're talking about?
	Wojak, Doge, and Pepe.
	The symbols of the far right.
	I noticed that Pepe meme is only...
	I only ever see it in these sorts of reports.
	I assume that some Nazis put it on 4chan once.
	So for people listening, they've got an image of a Wojak meme, which is just normal.
	Then they've got Doge with sunglasses.
	Sunglass is not presumably a symbol of white nationalism.
	And then the Pepe is in an SS uniform.
	But you rarely see Pepe like that outside these reports.
	Yeah, I never see Pepe like that.
	Normally, it's just not even political.
	Normally, the Pepe memes I see going around...
	Are, um, like, for everyday sort of events, you know.
	Or I'm sad.
	Yeah, I'm sad.
	Playing with trains.
	Yeah, just stupid stuff.
	Like, anyway.
	So they define the memes in here.
	The original iteration of the Wojak meme expressed through emotions such as melancholy, regret, or loneliness.
	It has gradually been adopted and advanced by far-right meme culture to portray liberals with blank expressions...
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Only a white nationalist would think that the progressives are a bunch of NPCs that get programmed by Twitter.
	But also that the Wojak presents liberals.
	No, of course it doesn't.
	The Wojak can present everyone.
	That's kind of the point.
	The aim here is to show that normies do not question the information that comes to them from mainstream press and politics.
	Well, that's true.
	You're proving it right now.
	You're the normie who is so stupid that they think that these memes, by definition, are something to do with white nationalism.
	Second, the Doge meme.
	Proved my point fast enough, couldn't you?
	Is one of the most infamous internet memes which has been adapted into various ways to tease a kind of outdated humour and style of individuals and politicians.
	In far-right circles, it has often become combined with Nazi memorabilia.
	To trivialize the violence by the SS of Wehrmacht.
	Oh, I think I've got it.
	I think I've got it.
	These memes are just normal memes, but whenever you put them in far-right circles, they're combined with Nazi memorabilia.
	It's almost like everything they do is combined with Nazi memorabilia, so it's almost like it's not like the things they're co-opting, it's the far-right themselves.
	Maybe it's the Nazi memorabilia that reminds people of the far-right, and not the fucking doge.
	Morons!
	Sorry, carry on.
	Oh, God.
	Let me just read the Pepe one real quick.
	Pepe the Frog meme has been appropriated by far-right online activists.
	No, it hasn't.
	It's been ostracized by the far-left and then pushed into the hands of the far-right.
	No one thought Pepe was far-right.
	No one still does, to be honest.
	Appropriate a meme?
	That doesn't make any sense.
	It's like...
	So someone made a meme with their particular sort of varnish on it, the glaze that they want on it.
	For the Nazis, it's Nazism, unsurprisingly.
	But you don't sit there and go, yeah, but the far left have done it with communism.
	You can find lots of Lenin memes of all of these types, or Marx memes of all of these types.
	Just no one shares them.
	Yeah, no one shares them and no one cares.
	But they don't care either.
	So it's mad.
	Interesting.
	We'll mention about the communists who happen to be mentioned in this as well.
	So they say that Pepe symbolises a kind of superior nonchalance towards others, helping to normalise hostile attitudes towards minorities and political opponents.
	Seems a bit uncharitable towards Pepe.
	Have they only ever seen that one Pepe?
	Well, that's what I think it is, yeah.
	They've never seen Pepe crying, or being upset, or just doing anything else with his life.
	They've only ever seen the Nazi meme, because I guess these people live on the Daily Stormer.
	He's also a kind of anti-elite arrogance and condescension.
	This face here.
	I guess, if that's what you're reading into it.
	It has become the icon of the alt-right.
	Good God.
	So let's go to page 8, because I mentioned about the communists.
	So sociologist, Indian name, refers to this phenomenon as, quote, digital hate cultures.
	And you might be like, who the hell is this sociologist they're mentioning?
	So we'll get to him in a minute.
	They say Facebook has...
	Barath Ganesh.
	Yeah.
	Facebook has disbanded one of its...
	So let's go to the link here, which is his Twitter account, and he retweeted this most recent tweet, which is Joe Mule, the communist.
	You know, the guy in charge of research, the communist organization Hope Not Hate, and he's an open member of the Communist Party of Great Britain.
	That's who you want advising you on extremism, isn't it?
	No wonder we're talking so much about Nazis on the internet.
	Most people don't care about Nazis on the internet because there aren't actually very many Nazis anywhere.
	And you go on almost any public forum anywhere on the internet and you won't find any Nazis.
	You really have to look quite hard to find Nazis on the internet.
	But Joe, a communist, is obsessed with Nazis and so spends his time hunting them down online.
	If you weren't already laughing at the fact that we're talking about memes as the symbol of the far right, and weren't convinced this is already nonsense, and then you're not convinced by the fact that the guys there quoting openly retweet members of the Communist Party who are going to lecture you on what extremism is, let's go for his example of what's happening in the extremist world.
	So there's that image there, if we can get the image up.
	So the story, Joe's tweeting.
	Facebook has disbanded one of its teams after the data they produced suggested that far-right commentators outperformed all other users.
	Oh my god, how can Facebook join the far-right?
	Oh my god, people pointed out that there's far-right commentators on Facebook and Facebook shut it down.
	Nick Clegg, Mark Zuckerberg, famous far-rightists.
	Man, they must be Nazis.
	Who are the far-right commentators?
	The most engagement was to content by right-wing channels such as Ben Shapiro and Fox News host Sean Hannity.
	Oh, Ben Shapiro, famous favourite of the alt-right.
	This moron, this Communist Party member, who wants to lecture you on extremism, is telling you that Ben Shapiro's the leader of the Nazis.
	And then the guy being quoted in this report is like, yeah, that's okay, get that retweet.
	I remember very clearly when Ben Shapiro was being bullied by the Nazis, and he wasn't very happy about it, as you can imagine.
	You can imagine the anti-Semitic jokes that they sent to Ben Shapiro, can't you?
	Can't you?
	Never mind.
	He's now in charge of the Nazi party.
	Hell of a stopper.
	Anyway, let's go to the last bit on here, so the page 13.
	There's the recommendations they have for the EU. So what's the EU going to do?
	Thank God for Brexit is what you have to say after this.
	What are they going to do about these memes?
	Quarantine extremist humour, and therefore extremist ideas.
	Quarantine ideas!
	The first priority is to not amplify messages that might harm broader communities or even indirectly benefit a far-right campaign.
	Memes.
	We are talking about Doge memes.
	They want to quarantine Doge.
	They want to quarantine ideas.
	That's amazing.
	I totally trust people who, I don't know, want some kind of book burning.
	Was there anyone in Europe, maybe around 1930s, 1940s, who was burning books?
	The EU is Germany by other means.
	Yes.
	There's also the next section of recommendations in which they say, keep this in mind whenever a new content creator turns up on the left.
	Build up effective partnerships with social media influencers and progressive communities, which have a strong influence on the views of their followers and supporters.
	Just openly partisan.
	Well, the far-right, like, you know, Ben Shapiro, they're bad.
	So what we need to do is build effective partnerships with progressive communities.
	The EU. This is totally not an elitist organisation that is underrepresented because they're not elected.
	Elitist left-wing organisation.
	We need to team up with progressives to combat the far-right.
	Who are the far-right?
	Cultural nationalists.
	Sean Hannity.
	The Swiss Constitution is a symbol of the far right.
	Good God.
	Republicans in America are the far right.
	In case you're wondering if this is just all a complete S show, apparently the big tech Silicon Valley types are going to just go along with us.
	Of course they are.
	So there's Disco's TV breaking the story that Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, YouTube and other big tech companies will now add content to shared counter-terrorism key databases such as the radicalization awareness group who are supposedly countering terrorism by looking at Doge memes all day aiming to crack down on material from white supremacists and far-right militias.
	This is because that picture of Ben Shapiro as a teenager with a sword resurfaced recently, isn't it?
	They all lost their minds!
	Oh my god, he's formed a far-right militia!
	While you guys were all talking about progressive politics, I was studying the blade.
	Oh god, everything's so stupid.
	Anyway, for some reason, London is getting a Holocaust memorial outside of Parliament.
	We were responsible for the Holocaust, right?
	No, I believe it was the opposite.
	Yep.
	I've no idea why, and the reasons that we're being given for this are really peculiar.
	So, apparently, according to the BBC, the government's been given the go-ahead for the memorial to be built right next to the Houses of Parliament.
	You can scroll down, this is a visual representation of what it'll look like.
	Hideous.
	Hmm.
	This is going to be 23 large bronze sculptures and an underground learning centre that was previously rejected by Westminster Council, but for some reason this has gone ahead.
	The Board of Deputies of British Jews said it was delighted, but concerns have been raised that the site could become a target for terrorists.
	I don't think the Labour Party are up for it.
	But I mean, if that's your concern, don't build it?
	Well, it's more of don't build it because we're not Germans.
	Well, I mean, that's my argument.
	But, like, if you're concerned about the terrorism this will incite, don't.
	Anyway, David Cameron, for some reason, announced plans for this project in 2016, but it was delayed because of disagreements.
	Yeah, I know.
	He was basically David Cameron, which was Tony Blair in a conservative skin suit.
	But there's a campaign group called Save Victoria Tower Gardens, because, of course, these are being...
	Made in, like, little bits of green area that is still left in London.
	Anyway, so, they say, Yeah, it's because, why?
	Why?
	I think it's an insult to the British.
	Well, yeah, that's kind of how it looks.
	But anyway...
	Why are you trying to rub our noses in the Holocaust as if we did it?
	That's what it comes across as.
	Yeah.
	Like, we've been to the Holocaust memorial inside the Reichstag in Berlin.
	Yes.
	And that's appropriate.
	Yes.
	Like, the way it's built, the place of it, all the rest of it, makes sense.
	But what message are the...
	And it's designed to send a message to the people who will come after those Germans who committed the Holocaust.
	What message are you sending to the Brits?
	Here's an ugly monument to something the Germans did that was evil.
	Do we have to have that?
	Like, why do we have to have that?
	Anyway, so Community Secretary Robert Jenrick told the BBC that he hoped it would educate and inform future generations about the horrors of the Holocaust and hoped millions of people would visit it every year.
	But why would they?
	We already have it in the curriculum for history.
	Of course we do.
	And was it ethics studies, whatever I did?
	I ended up studying the Holocaust in my secondary school like three times.
	Yeah.
	It's one of the reasons I hated studying history in school, because it's like, oh god, this is depressing.
	The Germans again.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But anyway, he added that it would also foster a better understanding of, quote, the British role in the tragedy, the things we did right and we did wrong, as if we are somehow culpable for the Holocaust.
	That's what this is about.
	That seems to be, yeah.
	As if somehow Britain was responsible for the Germans organizing the mass extermination of Jews, Roma, gypsies, gays, and whoever else.
	Like, what the hell do we have to do with this?
	Like, we were the ones bombing them.
	Yeah.
	Trying to stop them, you know?
	I mean, we declared war on them when they invaded places.
	What are we supposed to do?
	That wasn't enough.
	That wasn't enough, yeah.
	Sorry, I know you fought like a four-year war against the Germans to stop this kind of thing, but let's talk about what you did wrong.
	Alone, I'm glad.
	Where were the Soviets?
	You know, your friends.
	They had to get invaded by the Germans before they got off their arses.
	They had an alliance with the Germans while we were bombing them.
	Yes.
	It's actually one of the stories as well.
	Apparently when the Soviets invaded eastern Poland and the Germans, the other part, the Soviets, as an act of good faith, rounded up the Jews and handed them over to Hitler.
	Bloody hell, I didn't even know that.
	No, let's talk about what Britain did wrong here.
	Anyway, so the British role in the tragedy, which I deeply resent this framing.
	Keir Starmer backed the project, saying it was vital to educating future generations about the Holocaust.
	Because nobody in the UK knows about the Holocaust.
	Well, no, you've got to remember he probably means future generation of Labour Party members.
	Look, I'm happy to build one in Labour Party HQ, just to remind everyone coming in.
	Yes.
	Marie van der Zyl, President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said there will be something uniquely powerful about locating a memorial to the Holocaust right next to the centre of the UK's democracy.
	Powerful for who?
	Yeah, but why?
	Like, what does she mean?
	Powerful sends a message, right?
	Who are you sending a message to?
	The British?
	You shouldn't have intervened or something?
	Well, you are somehow responsible.
	She says, But why?
	Like...
	We weren't the Nazis!
	We were at war with the Nazis!
	The Palace of St.
	James isn't the symbol of the Reich.
	It's just so weird!
	It's like, yeah, this would be a powerful symbol against the Germans.
	I guess when they're on holiday and they come and visit it.
	You know, I guess it will.
	Just what a bizarre way of framing this.
	The messages and learnings that one should glean from its memorialization are a powerful reminder of the universal values of fairness and justice that a democratic society has a responsibility to bestow upon its citizens.
	As if the British government has been terrorizing Jews or something.
	But also, we're not a Middle Eastern country, for example, that just doesn't teach about the Holocaust in school.
	We do.
	Yeah.
	Constantly.
	And it's a good reason, to be honest.
	It is a good thing to teach about.
	It makes sure our population know about it.
	Which is weird that you think we would need some kind of memorial in London to know about this sort of thing.
	Although that might be a conversation about the mass migration in London, but I'll leave that up to hurt me.
	But anyway, so, I mean, the BBC just tell us at the bottom, some Jewish leaders have voiced their concerns about the memorial.
	But we don't get to hear from them.
	That's all they say.
	If you can scroll down, you can see it at the bottom, John.
	Just some of them.
	By the way, six million Jewish men and women and other victims were murdered by the Nazis.
	Yeah, so what's this got to do with Brits?
	I love how it's like a Joe Biden, though.
	Like, you ain't Jewish.
	I guess.
	You know, get a quote at the BBC. Yeah, you know, they've got their concerns, but we're not interested in them.
	By the way, the Germans killed loads of Jews.
	You need a memorial to that.
	Do we?
	Okay, but anyway, let's have a look at the gallery of designs, because these were amazing, right?
	So this is the park, and obviously the CGI rendering of it, and this is what they think it'll look like.
	Very depressing.
	That's an ugly...
	These aren't all shortlisted designs.
	Right, okay, that's ugly.
	At the moment, it's just a big field, which is nice.
	Go there and eat lunch.
	Yep.
	Hideous.
	Hideous.
	That's with all the modern stuff.
	When we are sleeping, airplanes carry memories of the horrors we have given our silent content into the night.
	And then something else.
	Okay, but what?
	What do you mean?
	I don't know.
	We didn't do that.
	Anyway, next one, please.
	Just...
	Go and sit in there.
	I assume the public are going to pay for this.
	Yeah, of course we're going to pay for it.
	Go and sit in there and think about what the Germans did.
	God, I wish we'd declared war on them.
	We did?
	Oh!
	Like, why?
	Well, I wish we'd bombed them.
	Oh, yeah, we did.
	Yeah.
	It's like, just why?
	Just really have a think about what those Germans did to you.
	Not to you, to them.
	Forget the dead would be akin to killing them a second time.
	We don't forget them.
	Like, we teach about it in school.
	But they're also not our dead.
	German and Continental Jews and other various groups.
	Why does this have to be something we have to now be like, yeah, well, we're somehow responsible.
	The British role in it.
	Or ending it.
	This is like the slavery thing all over again.
	Yeah, it's mad.
	It's like we're the country that we're fighting against it.
	We're the ones who abolished slavery, we're the ones who declared war on Germany first, and yet we're the ones who are responsible, are we?
	I just don't understand why we have to build over our green spaces with these architectural abominations in order to memorialise something the Germans did.
	I just don't get it.
	There's no reason for this at all.
	But look how hideous these things are.
	But anyway, right, so at the moment, if we can go to the next one, John, there's currently a small memorial in Hyde Park about the Holocaust, which is just on a stone.
	I can't remember what was written on the stone, actually, but it's just a, you know, a sort of never again thing, which, I mean, fine, you know?
	Also a bit strange, but fine, whatever.
	Yeah, it's small, it's, you know, it's not a causing hassle, who cares?
	And for some reason that David Cameron just thought we should be more mindful of the Holocaust, as they say on the Wikipedia page, in 2014...
	Is his grandfather German or something?
	Maybe.
	I wouldn't rule it out.
	In 2014, David Cameron asked the Holocaust Commission with establishing what more Britain could do to preserve the memory of the Holocaust and ensure its lessons are never forgotten.
	It's like, well, don't be German.
	Don't join Labour.
	Yeah, the Commission ran a national call for evidence.
	There were nearly 2,500 responses, including one of Britain's largest other gatherings of Holocaust survivors at Wembley Stadium, as in the people who fled to Britain away from the Germans.
	So we now need to have a monument to German guilt.
	The Holocaust Commission produced a report saying there was widespread dissatisfaction with the current National Memorial in Hyde Park.
	Ah yes, this is something that's just on every kitchen table issue for every Brit.
	Effective Holocaust education fails to reach significant numbers of young people.
	What?
	Every single one of them is taught about the Holocaust.
	That's not enough.
	There is inadequate support for regional projects compounded by a lack of long-term funding for Holocaust education.
	I don't agree.
	The testimony of survivors and liberators needs to be urgently recorded and appropriately preserved.
	There has been.
	There's so much material on the Holocaust.
	Where are they getting this from?
	But anyway, they recommended a striking and prominent new national memorial.
	As if we were responsible.
	Do you want us to just have a big sign at Heathrow Airport or something?
	It's just like, we're sorry about the Holocaust.
	We the Brits are sorry about the Holocaust.
	Why?
	Why did you do it?
	Well, we didn't.
	We're still sorry.
	Yeah, we stopped it, but we're really sorry about it.
	But anyway, of course, they want a world-class learning centre at the heart of a campus driving a network of national education activity and endowment funds to secure long-term future of Holocaust education and blah, blah, blah.
	It's like...
	What?
	Why?
	But anyway.
	Someone's getting rich off this.
	Yeah, exactly, right?
	And so the memorial that was chosen was chosen by a Sir David Ajay OBE. This guy.
	So he is an award-winning Ghanaian British architect, known to infuse his artistic sensibilities with an ethos for community-driven projects.
	He's political.
	He's a political artist.
	His largest project to date was the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, D.C. At least that was actually in America, where the events took place.
	LAUGHTER The African American History Museum in Poland.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Or in Wales.
	In 2017, he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth and recognized as one of the most 100 influential people of the year by Time magazine.
	He's been given medals and all of this sort of stuff, so wow, he's amazing.
	They say, He
	wants egalitarian architecture.
	And so anyway, he said, great, I look forward to doing this because Holocaust denial has festered in the UK. A nation of Holocaust deniers.
	Labour don't win the elections.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	Let's move on to the next one.
	Yeah, the membership's going down.
	But yeah, this is going to cost £50 million, so he's getting a lovely payout from this.
	And the structure, designed with Israeli designer Ron Arad and the landscape architectures Gustafson Porter and Bowman, For people listening as well, we should describe the monument.
	It just looks like you break a glass, pull out the shards of glass, and then just stab them into the ground.
	I'm not sure what it's meant to represent.
	It's just one of the things I hate about modern art.
	No, no, I actually have a description here.
	So, he won the competition to design the structure.
	23 fin-like structures in bronze with the 22 spaces in between, representing the countries where Jewish communities were destroyed.
	This not being one of them.
	I don't know what to say.
	It's just weird.
	It's just so weird.
	I don't understand it.
	I guess he's getting paid, so why not?
	Yeah.
	And for some reason, David Cameron's like, we need to memorialise the Holocaust.
	I'm checking his grandfather's history.
	I bet he's German.
	But he told a magazine that it needs to be next to Parliament.
	In Britain, we thought that we didn't need to make Holocaust Memorial.
	We had liberated the concentration camps.
	But even here, Holocaust deniers have festered.
	History has taught us that we need a mechanism to remind us of what we did and why we did it.
	We bombed the Germans because they're the Nazis.
	But he's saying, no, we did something and why we did it.
	That's why we need a Holocaust memorial.
	Because this Ghanaian immigrant has decided the British are responsible for the Holocaust.
	It's mad.
	It's just mad.
	Okay, build over the green spaces in London.
	Why not?
	His justification being that some Holocaust deniers exist in Britain?
	Yeah, Jeremy Corbyn, this is your fault.
	But also, just like, if that's the case, do we not need to build one, I don't know, like every country on Earth just endlessly until there aren't any that exist anymore?
	Well, I mean, why don't we do a poll of Holocaust denial worldwide?
	And I wonder what those statistics look like at the end of it.
	In fact, there probably has been one done.
	We should have looked it up.
	Arabia's probably just like...
	I know they don't teach it in Arabia.
	They probably wonder why we're even bothered about it.
	They didn't know it happened at all.
	And if they did know it happened, how would they feel about it?
	I don't know.
	I dread to think what the response there would be.
	But anyway, he did also suggest that...
	I hate this.
	History has taught us we need a mechanism to remind us of what we did.
	Don't label me with the Germans.
	Okay, hang on, hang on.
	So we'll bulldoze your plan, and we'll just build a big golden statue of Churchill.
	That'll remind us of what we did, which is bombing the goddamn Germans.
	Okay, yeah, I'm up for that.
	This is the Holocaust Memorial.
	You've just got the Council of Jews or whatever these people were.
	What do you do?
	You get the guy who defeats the Germans.
	What are you going to say about that?
	This doesn't stand for us.
	What do you think he did?
	Oh, it's maddening, isn't it?
	But anyway, he also said that Jeremy Corbyn, who had been accused of not taking the allegation of antisemitism in his party seriously, might become more sensitive to the issue if he had to go and TV infuse in front of the memorial.
	How powerful would it be for him to think that what he is saying and for others to see him, he said.
	Honestly, I think Jeremy Corbyn would probably just be derisive about it.
	And he would probably use it as proof of something.
	He'd point to it and go, see...
	Which is why it's probably actually a better idea to just have a statue of Boris kicking him out of the door.
	Like kicking Corbyn out of the door.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, yeah.
	This guy has been living all over the world.
	Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon.
	Places that are famously pro-Semitic.
	And said that London is his home.
	I go around the world and I come back here and as much as I complain, there is nowhere like it.
	But I'm worried for its politics, I'm worried for its diversity and its openness.
	Hang on, there are zero Jews in Egypt.
	Diverse.
	Countries you've been to.
	Lebanon.
	No concerns there.
	Lebanon.
	Not going to raise a concern about the number of Jews in the Middle East.
	I mean, you won't want to, like, mess his gad side and say, excuse me, Mr.
	Lebanese Jew, why is it that you're forced to live in Canada?
	Why don't you live in the land of your birth?
	And he'll tell you, well, it's because a bunch of raging Islamists who hate Jews and sought to kill us all forced us to flee.
	No Holocaust museum memorial in Lebanon, though.
	I wonder how they feel about it in Yemen.
	Anyway, there we go.
	We're getting a Holocaust memorial because we are somehow culpable for what the Nazis did.
	Doesn't make any sense.
	No.
	No, it never does, does it?
	No.
	That doesn't stop us.
	It's maddening.
	Let's go for the video comments.
	I'd like to present another man test.
	You see...
	I have not fully recovered all of my fitness yet, and my apologies for not showing the full thing on this video, because lowering down something slowly, it might go on for longer than 30 seconds, but...
	If you can't do it, I am better than you, and I won't apologise.
	30 kilograms, lift over your head, and then slowly get back down.
	20 kilograms?
	That's nothing.
	Why are we becoming a Lyft channel?
	Why are we becoming a Lyft channel?
	That's the question.
	This goes out to all the lotus eaters that are on the east coast of the United States or like to travel.
	From August 6th to the 15th, for 10 days, there will be the largest free music festival on the east coast, called Music Fest, spelled with a K. For about $5 to $7, you can get an entire mug of beer filled up from many different kinds of beers, and there's public drinking.
	It's just a giant, like, everyone listens to music and get drunk and enjoy good festival food.
	It's great.
	So it's between about an hour south of New York and an hour north of Philadelphia in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.
	I'd recommend it if you're in the area.
	It's a lot of fun.
	That sounds awesome.
	Well, you've been warned, Eastern Americans.
	So these are three different sets of instructions that can be done with the pieces that came from the Chinese box.
	As you can see, I have the gun pointed up because otherwise it will fail.
	The gun has a counterweight to the back of it.
	These LEGO clone bricks were actually decent quality.
	It is surprising.
	Pari delenda est.
	I'm reasonably sure you're getting a visit from the FBI. I just love the idea that the Chinese are doing this.
	Like, of course the Denmark-based official company isn't making Gustav Gun let go.
	What was I thinking?
	I mean, is this not implicit that he's now going to be building one himself?
	Capital riot style?
	The FBI raged you, well, you had a Gustav Gun.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Clearly you were trying to overthrow the United States.
	What did you think we were going to do?
	Well, clearly you were trying to bomb Paris, I guess, actually.
	Yeah.
	Imagine raining at Islamist's house after another Paris attack.
	What Lego have they got?
	So, as mentioned in the past, I run a domestic cleaning company.
	And one thing that really disturbs me is just how filthy students end up living.
	Yet they have the audacity to think that they know what's best for everybody else when they can't even clean their own bins or their own toilets properly.
	What are you doing to ensure your children are cleanly?
	Making them brush their teeth and shower and forcing them to tidy their rooms.
	You have to.
	You've got to be on patrol.
	It's insufferable and they do everything they can to get out of it but you've got to be diligent.
	He's so right about leftists as well.
	This might just be me saying bull, but I swear the more left-wing the student I met at university, the filthier their environment was.
	No, I think you're correct.
	So my wife does tutoring for an hour and a half every second week.
	I looked after the kids during this time outside.
	The newborn wanted the breast and screamed for an hour and a half.
	The toddler just wanted mummy.
	He wouldn't play on the trampoline.
	He wouldn't talk with me.
	He wouldn't do anything else and screamed for an hour and a half.
	I kept my cool.
	SJW resistance training. - So it always stands out to me when fellow Gen Zers make the argument that being rich is a crime against humanity, is if you own more than one car, you're in the 0.1% is if you own more than one car, you're in the 0.1% And I think if you live in the U.S., you're in the top 1% of all the world just automatically.
	So you're basically arguing that the Unabomber did nothing wrong and 9-11 did the world a favor.
	It's insane.
	That is the Hassan Piker position.
	No, it's that we don't adopt that position.
	We don't think the US deserve 9-11, and we don't think the Unabomber did nothing wrong.
	We stand against Hassan Piker and everything he represents.
	Which is actually unironically true.
	Gendered pronouns will be released into the atmosphere, ensuring complete global inclusivity.
	Brought to you by the British military.
	LAUGHTER Good day, Lotus Eaters.
	If you think that the tariffs are the norm, then the Overtone window is definitely too far to the left.
	The correct approach is not interfering with their conflict and finishing off whichever one survives.
	My bet is on the trans community.
	As you've shown yourselves, trans women are better than women.
	Plus, no more pay gap, patriarchy by definition changes to matriarchy, and we have perfect equality.
	Everyone's a woman.
	And when everyone's a woman, no one will be.
	Mwahaha.
	Doesn't that argument essentially come down to we should adopt the most misogynist position possible, which is to just replace women?
	Well, that's the intersectional position, yeah.
	But what's funny is when you listen to the TERFs, that's how they talk about trans activists.
	They're like, nah, they're just misogynistic men.
	Like, they're all MRAs trying to undermine our movement.
	The poor MRAs are like, listen, dude, we're arguing from the liberal position that maybe the law should treat everyone equally.
	Like, we've got nothing to do with this.
	Yeah, nothing to do with that.
	Poor MRAs.
	I mean, Kristoff raises a point.
	I don't know.
	Well, I told you that you were wrong.
	They're not just normal people.
	They're normal in the current year.
	That's the crazy part.
	Even Julie Bindle looks like a sensible person because she's just like, no, come on, women are women.
	And apparently that is enough to make you an outcast amongst the, let's say, what you're meant to have in public of an opinion rather than what is obvious.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I mean, it's weird that conservatism is such a big tent that it includes the far left against the other far left, I guess.
	Of course I want to smash the patriarchy.
	That's right.
	I'm a conservative.
	I mean, maybe, maybe.
	Hey guys, it's me again.
	I know this podcast is all about discussing our favorite shows, so I thought I'd tell you about mine.
	It's called The Office.
	My favorite character is Kelly Kapoor.
	She's a delight.
	Give it a watch sometime and tell us what you think.
	If that was an Office reference, the way you did that, I didn't get it because I haven't watched The Office.
	It's quite funny, to be honest.
	I've never got around to it, but yeah, sounds good.
	I've seen a few clips of the British versus the American one, and there is something about British human I don't think Americans are ever going to understand.
	I feel bad for them for that.
	Yes, but honestly, I actually preferred the American one.
	Really?
	Yeah, I hate to say it.
	It breaks my heart, but the American one was better, I thought.
	I'm not arguing which is better because I don't know, but there is something weird about the self-denigrating British humour that I don't know if Americans fully understand or not.
	Probably not.
	This is my Roman household shrine, Larium, which is dedicated to the Roman household protective spirits, the Lares and the Penitents.
	It can also be dedicated to your own Very nice.
	Just reminded me of SJWs.
	Like, I bet they've got the same thing.
	Yeah, but for Assata Shakur.
	Yeah.
	Alright, so a bit of a follow-up video to last, I guess, today's video.
	About making bullets.
	About making bullets and guns.
	You asked if there was, like, a person whose job it was to actually make guns, like, and design ones.
	Well, it's not really a gunsmith.
	Gunsmiths really just, like, help fix guns and make them better.
	Or customize them.
	Or customize them.
	But gun builders are people who actually make guns.
	There's actually a guy, uh, he's called Brandon Herrera.
	He's making an AK-50.
	It's, like, a.50 caliber, um, within the AK platform.
	It's really cool.
	50 BMG. 50 BMG. It's really cool.
	Let's check it out.
	I'm non-American.
	I'm half American, I'm half Australian.
	Good thing I live here.
	I just googled the AK-50.
	It looks like an alt gun.
	It sounds like an alt gun.
	I'm going to send a link to John to get up after the video comments because it's funny, but we'll go for the next one now.
	That's right, Carlo.
	I'm not edgy for knowing what Wasteland is.
	I'm awesome for beating it when we were both seven.
	Fair enough.
	It's also a game that made me realise that in the post-apocalyptic dystopian future my main problem would be pretending I wasn't having a great time.
	LAUGHTER Honestly, that's kind of the way I feel about it.
	Looking forward to the Collapsed Society, that's all I'm saying.
	This episode of The Lotus Eaters is sponsored by Daniel Crosby.
	Showing that Satan is a communist, one video at a time.
	Hey, Sargon, you should subscribe to my YouTube channel.
	It's going to be great.
	I'm working on a video essay dealing with how Satan is a communist.
	I was wondering if you have any software recommendations, as well as Project Veritas' latest leaker mentioned you by name in the first interview that he did with James O'Keefe.
	So you should go check it out.
	Yeah, I did see it, and I'm very flattered, and I'm glad that he is taking the initiative to come forward with the things that he's seen, because we all have to, really.
	But yeah, Satan is a communist.
	I'll have to give the Bible another read and see if we can substantiate that.
	I saw a map a couple I told you I was right.
	You all knew it implicitly.
	And I was right.
	Sweden agrees.
	Everyone agrees.
	It's the most gay, don't you know?
	Ah, who can refute that?
	Yeah, also if you visit, you get the gay.
	Hey guys, I was wondering if, as an American, we kind of have a double flex on you guys, where first there's the gun, but then also there's the spear flex, where Britain just kind of sucks.
	I mean, listen, thank you so much for the ideas and all that, but Wow, that sucks.
	Can't even have a makeshift sphere.
	Anyways, I just uploaded a new episode of High Lit.
	So, anyone who wants to check that out, that'd be cool.
	Have a good day.
	We're not allowed makeshift spears.
	I believe we're not.
	There's also the fact you can't defend your own home.
	I don't know if Americans know.
	There's a really sad story of a pensioner.
	There were some guys who broke in with screwdrivers.
	Because, of course, that's how Britain works, you break into a house with screwdrivers.
	And he pulled out a sword, because you're allowed to own swords.
	And he stabbed them, because they were trying to break into his house.
	And I don't know what shelves they were going to fix with those screwdrivers.
	So he then got investigated by the police and arrested, because he dared to defend his own property.
	The Americans have got us on that.
	We really are a broken country.
	Wasn't that the one that went viral and the authorities backed down on it?
	Only because of the attention it got.
	At least it shows that the British public agree that you should be able to defend your own home.
	I don't know why our government disagrees, but there we go.
	Our state and our legal laws, for decades at least, have just been so corrupted.
	It's a hell of a problem to fix.
	Can we see a test fire of the AK-50, John?
	Is there a test fire?
	Oh, it is a video about a test fire.
	Can we watch that very quickly?
	Because I'm very, very curious.
	We're looking at an image of the AK-50, which just looks like something the orcs would use.
	Can we skip forward so we actually see it firing?
	Jesus Christ, look at that thing.
	The gas is too hot.
	Is this going to be fully automated?
	Round number 11 and cycling test.
	Three, two, one...
	Well, she's locked open.
	Okay, so they're still on test again.
	Right.
	Because I tell you what, man, when you fire a 50 cal, you feed it.
	There's no way you could rapid fire it.
	There's just no way.
	But what would you do with that thing?
	Stick it on the side of a tank like a land raider and just shoot out?
	Sure.
	Sounds great.
	Looking forward to the class of society, yeah.
	I'm with that oil guy, man.
	Let's see.
	I've got to pretend I'm not having fun.
	Carl's been talking a lot about what he's going to do when that comes.
	Oh, yeah.
	Let's go to the written comments before you say anything else.
	Awkward Motion says the Australian government has just announced 80% vaccination is required to open the country, but will only make lockdowns less likely.
	They are also leaning towards vaccine passports and orbit name.
	However, a recent poll indicates that the people who don't want to get the vaccine number higher than 30%.
	So mandatory vaccines are coming soon down under.
	The trouble is, I'll probably have to get jabbed just to fly out of the country to escape my oppression.
	I can't stand it.
	I've got a question.
	I don't know if anyone in the audience knows this.
	I was trying to look up, because there's a percentage you reach of vaccination that's meant to be herd immunity, and you can look in textbooks before COVID. No, but that's not how it works.
	But that's what's described in the literature.
	So for smallpox, for example, I saw that it was meant to be about 80% vaccinated.
	I didn't think herd immunity was tied to vaccinations.
	Oh, it's a vaccine plus infected, right?
	So 80% of the people have experienced the virus, therefore you get herd immunity.
	So what is the percentage for COVID? Because surely if we can point to the fact that in the UK, for example, we're 87% or something, haven't we got herd immunity?
	Aren't we done?
	I mean, the death rate from COVID would indicate that yes, we're done.
	So if anyone's got that statistic, please tell me.
	Free Will says, how much do these US politicians earn if she can afford to spend $70,000 of her own money on private security?
	Is this from yesterday's podcast?
	I think that's from yesterday's podcast.
	I think it's from yesterday's podcast.
	Do you want to get today's up?
	No, I have some of the stuff here.
	Well, I think it's the second rather than the first.
	Wolf Grillington says, Can't record today, so I'll ask here.
	I wrote to my MP regarding mandatory vaccines to care workers and vaccine passports.
	I don't expect to hear back, but it also got shared around some care workers.
	Feedback from them was that I had put into words what they had struggled to do, and they were frustrated that whenever they spoke up, people would attack them and their delivery of the argument, spelling, etc., instead of the argument itself.
	Seems a lot like the intellectual abuse of the working class we saw during Brexit thoughts.
	Well, yes, and these are just obviously tactics to prevent you from advancing your argument.
	I'm very much sympathetic to people who have spelling errors as well.
	I love how in America it just doesn't matter.
	Like in British political scene, like everyone's hoity-hoity about it in America.
	Something's spelt wrong.
	Everyone just goes...
	It's unacceptable.
	Standards.
	James says, I want my child to experience white guilt when she's four years old.
	Strange way to say I want to emotionally abuse my child because she has the wrong colour skin.
	Yes.
	She's sick.
	It's an awful thing.
	The idea that I want my child to have guilt over their race is just awful.
	Matthew Hammond says, enacting racism into the US government is on par with the Democrats of the past.
	We only have to go back to Woodrow Wilson, who segregated the federal government and US armed forces.
	We can hope that the other aspects of his administration, the Federal Reserve income tax and direct election of senators, are not expanded.
	Duffy says, I can't wait.
	Talking about the EU memes.
	Marcus Horne says, wait, what?
	There's an anti-meme meme authority within the EU.
	This is the greatest 4D chess trolling potential ever.
	How does one get a job in this department?
	I imagine it's a cussy job.
	You just sit around making blocks of text memes.
	That is a great question, and I would definitely take that job if offered.
	I do love the response to this on Article 11 which was both just the left can't meme so they banned memes.
	Yes.
	We're getting pasted on the online meme battlefields.
	Quick, do something about it.
	Supreme Duck says, I like lefty humor.
	It's just comedians mentioning random left-wing talking points while expecting people to laugh.
	Yeah, I mean, literally.
	What is the joke?
	Yanala says, If the EU think that people who send memes are a national threat, then good luck filling all those jails and prisons with pensioners, youths, and everyone in between, beside their own fellow higher-ups.
	I wonder if they realize how bad this looks for them.
	They have no idea.
	Supreme Doc says the far right eats food, therefore food is far right.
	Yes.
	The Nazis ate roast chicken, therefore it's a Nazi dish.
	Did you know every house that's burnt down had a sink in it?
	Oh my god.
	Therefore sinks cause fires.
	Chet says the far right extremists have begun engaging in knock-knock jokes.
	Knock-knock jokes are now a weapon of the terrorists.
	Yes.
	See, that's the thing.
	I saw Stone Toss made a comic the other day where it's just like, well, okay, we use this symbol.
	That's far right.
	All right, well, I'll use a different one.
	That's far right.
	So you just started lifting weights, and they're like, come on, call it a symbol of the far right.
	Come on!
	Omar says, I feel that the root of all the victim narratives, white or black, is a desperate need to blame all their failings on any inherent characteristics.
	In this way, excuse me, They don't need to do any introspection and can give up instead of putting in any real effort.
	If my racism is the result of being white, it's not my fault and I can't change that anyway.
	Furthermore, everyone is racist.
	I won't be a horrible person by comparison.
	If my failure is the result of being black, I would never have succeeded because of the white man, so why bother?
	Yeah, I completely agree.
	It's all a giant cope.
	It's a giant cope because they want to pretend like they don't have to change and improve when they do.
	And that goes for everyone.
	You know, whoever you are, wherever you are, you're probably not good enough in your current incarnation.
	Do better.
	That is true, though.
	If you believe in equality as a principle, as all that is based on, then you have to sort of presume that you're perfect where you are, and the only reason there's any difference between you and yourself yesterday, or anyone else, is somehow some kind of discrimination or oppression that's taking place.
	Yes.
	This is very much the sort of continental left-wing position.
	That we are perfect as we are.
	Hence the fat pride movement.
	And all of the other movements say, no, all of these things that are obviously bad for you are just as good as being a fitness freak and all this sort of stuff.
	It's like, no, it's not.
	It's just not.
	There's a massive cope.
	You're not good enough.
	Lose some weight.
	Take some exercise.
	Read a book.
	Do something.
	Stephen says, if my employer, the Canadian federal government, requires employees to be vaccinated since COVID, should I identify it as a gender that doesn't believe in the need to take the COVID vaccine?
	Just identify someone who's vaccinated.
	Long Talks on the Nietzsche says, if the EU can be undermined and dismantled with memes alone, then it was flawed down to the foundation to begin with, it should be allowed to fail so something more stable can be built in its place.
	I mean, I guess, but what would you really want in the place of the EU? I don't really want the German Empire back.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'd rather it if it was just the old Westphalian Treaty where people just had their national countries and left each other alone.
	I also love how they can be destroyed by memes.
	It's like every authoritarian regime.
	Yes.
	Can't stand laughter.
	No.
	It's why I really trust Trump fundamentally.
	Yeah.
	Because he makes fun of himself.
	Yeah.
	He's not going to start putting people in jail for making fun of him.
	None of jails in the world.
	Robert says, so Elon Musk is far right now.
	He loves the Doge.
	Yes, he does.
	Didn't he?
	What was it?
	Dogecoin he was promoting or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Must be far right.
	What a Nazi.
	Obvious Nazi.
	Henry says, typical politicians, all of these memes are borderline dead memes and have been for years.
	That's a good point.
	I'm half expecting the reports say they found the memes on the Facebook.
	Or even worse, on the Book of Faces.
	I really get fed up of this idea that everything the far right touches must be banned.
	Yeah, I mean, I hate this too, because this gives them a huge amount of power.
	Why are you giving the far right the ability to kill anything?
	Well, it's not kill.
	They claim it.
	It's their territory.
	But now you're not allowed to touch it.
	So it's like, okay, well, why?
	Why did we just give these things to the far right?
	But that makes them incredibly powerful.
	Yeah.
	They can touch anything and it's theirs instantly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, the okay hand symbol.
	Oh, yeah, that's the symbol of the far right.
	No, it means okay.
	Like every diver now is far right.
	And it's just always been the international thing.
	Are you okay?
	Yeah, I'm fine.
	Everything's A-OK. Everything's going great.
	Oh, that's now a Nazi meme.
	Oh, shut up.
	Shut up.
	It's so stupid.
	Anyway.
	We're running out of time, so I'm going to move on a little bit.
	Banning memes because a Nazi used it is the internet equivalent of, I saw a white Supreme on a train once, so we need to ban all public transport.
	Yes.
	Personally, I think the elite are getting extra spicy about grassroots movement, like GME stonks, leaving them with egg on their face while laughing about it.
	To paraphrase the GameStop saga, saying, we can remain ard, but memeing longer than you can remain tyrannical.
	Yes.
	So, David says, when are they going to build the memorials to the Holodomor and the Chinese Cultural Revolution?
	Sure, why not?
	Why not?
	Why not build a memorial to the sack of Baghdad?
	That was pretty awful.
	Mongols turned up.
	Probably like a million people died.
	Awful.
	What about the Armenian Genocide?
	Why not?
	I mean, that's the thing.
	At least in the Holocaust, we're directly involved, but that's why it should be a golden statue of Churchill.
	There's like, yeah, pride.
	Yeah, with a big British flag behind it.
	The sign, you're welcome.
	Death of labour.
	Alex says, they love to teach the Holocaust, but they'll never mention the holodomore.
	No, they weren't.
	Ryan says, the only thing the memorial should depict is our lord and saviour Winston Churchill kicking Hitler's teeth in.
	That would actually be a great way of memorialising the Holocaust.
	The more I think about it, the more I'm soul on that prospect.
	Winston Churchill with Hitler in a headlock, you know?
	Alex says, It seems morbid that the left and the Labour Party are so obsessed by teaching the Holocaust, almost as if they wish it were still going on today.
	There is something a bit morbid about it, though, isn't it?
	We've all grown up learning about the Holocaust and the Nazis and World War II, and you simply couldn't escape it through the education system.
	Never mind popular culture.
	Yeah, never mind popular culture.
	Do we need to continue to talk about it?
	Do we need to continue to obsess about it?
	I just...
	Well, it's the difference between they should not be forgotten and an obsession.
	Yeah.
	Of course it shouldn't be forgotten, it should be learnt, you teach your kids about it, but to obsess over it is also strange.
	Yeah, and like, again, it's not something we did.
	So I just can't understand why we would be like, this is more important than any other genocide.
	We understand why the Germans, whenever you meet them, are like, I must apologise for savoir.
	Yeah, and they do.
	And that's insufferable as well, to be honest, because you're just like, look, man, I'm just trying to have a beer.
	But, I don't know, it's just so weird.
	Joe says, Holocaust Memorial, we already have one of those, it's called Winston Churchill statue, but I'm willing to compromise, so if you'd like a new one, where would you like the new one of Winston's stomping out Hitler?
	I'm game, but he has to be stomping out all of the other socialists, Stalin, Mao, Trotsky, Marx, you know, the whole gang of bandits.
	Yes.
	Speak One's Mind says, that Holocaust memorial in London idea is just odd.
	As Callum said, we get taught it multiple times at school.
	I remember getting taught about three times.
	It was just me.
	Sorry?
	It wasn't just me then.
	No, no, no.
	Well, no, I got taught about it multiple times when I was in school.
	It was weird.
	It was like, well, let me do this last year.
	Yeah.
	Or in this other subject in the same year.
	Yeah.
	But we have a dedicated day for it, and we keep some of the camps intact as tourist destinations, so it spreads a message to people to not repeat these mistakes.
	And that's fine in Germany.
	That's good.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I've been to them.
	They're very depressing.
	They are actually quite monumentous.
	You do need to think about them.
	But it's not something we need to do in Britain, because we didn't do it.
	Every time you visit St.
	James's Palace, you need to be able to think about the Holocaust.
	Not the Magna Carta or something like that.
	Think about the Germans, Callum.
	Why?
	Why would I want to?
	They were our archenemy, that's why.
	It's just a big concrete stone that just says, fear the Germans.
	Beware the German, yeah.
	The mutant, the German.
	Yeah, it's mad.
	North Antonia Knight says, we already have a memorial for the Holocaust, it's called the Cenotaph, which reminds us all of those who gave their lives to end the Holocaust, as well as all the other evils committed by the Nazi regime.
	Yeah, you know, the Cenotaph, the Black Lives Matter were vandalising and trying to set fire to the flags on.
	It's white supremacy to end the Holocaust.
	I bet you can rationalise that one in their worldview.
	They are saying that we're somehow responsible for it.
	Omar says, Creeping authoritarianism, promoting socialism, criticising the role of allied forces, anti-Semitism, problems of the Labour Party.
	I'm starting to think that they thought the Nazis didn't go far enough.
	The sign above the entrance to the Labour Party camps will read PC memes macht frei.
	Slots of text.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And the last one, Alpha of the Betas says, Picture of Hitler, picture of Churchill, HR, no difference.
	The entire left.
	Particularly, well, I suppose the Labour Party would say, Churchill bad.
	Well, they do.
	They think he's a racist, imperialist, white supremacist.
	Hitler misunderstood.
	Well, they basically view him as being the same as Hitler.
	Yeah.
	Which is how the architect has come to think, well, we have to remember what we did.
	I haven't done anything, mate.
	Anyway, if you want more from us, go to Logistics.com, loads of content on there.
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	Yes, I will hopefully have done two written and we'll be filming them Tuesday.
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	Yeah, yeah.
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