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April 7, 2021 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #105

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast The Lotus Eaters for the 7th of April 2021.
	Joined by Carl.
	Thank you.
	New set of arrangement.
	Nice to be a guest.
	Nice to be a guest, huh?
	It is, yeah.
	Anyway, a couple of announcements.
	So the premium content on our website, we have the Helen Dale interview that you had yesterday with her going up at 3pm.
	So that's going to be premium.
	So sign up to see that.
	Totally worth your time.
	Yeah, it was a really, really good interview with her, actually.
	I've been testing out a few new theories, and Helen responded very, very well to some of them.
	I'll let you see her reaction when it goes up.
	Yeah, especially the Pimlico stuff.
	Socialists trying to set up child soldiers.
	The appropriate British response, she was loving it.
	She's just getting stuff.
	Anyway, watch it, not going to spoil it.
	Let's get right into it, because I don't know how much time we have today for each topic.
	You want to talk about the end of the lockdowns, which have still not ended.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Boris announced the end of the lockdown and was like, yeah, not now though.
	Even though it would actually make sense to have the end of the lockdown now because we appear to have conquered the virus.
	So this is the latest UK government summary.
	So as of yesterday, you may remember that back in January, daily cases peaked at 52,000 cases a day.
	We're now down to 2,300 cases as of yesterday.
	In January, there were 4,000 patients being admitted to hospital each day at peak, where now we have 248 admitted yesterday.
	And deaths within 28 days of a positive test peaked at 1,361 in January.
	And yesterday, it was 20.
	Tests conducted last week were over 7 million.
	So it seems that the UK government has got a handle on the coronavirus.
	Good job, I guess.
	So this is good.
	Boris appears to have won.
	But the thing is, there appear to be now some questions regarding the vaccine and what is going to happen.
	So, I haven't actually ordered this very well, but back in January, 72% of black Britons were likely to not get the jab for reasons that were never properly explained, to be honest.
	That's not...
	Next one, please, John.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, there we go.
	So this was a study that found overall high levels of willingness to be vaccinated with 82% of people saying they were likely or very likely to get the jab, which rose to 96% among people of 75 or over.
	So, great.
	And now we're 31.5 million vaccines down the line.
	So, okay.
	I mean, over half the country, isn't it, by now?
	Almost half the country.
	About 45%.
	But, I mean, that's amazing.
	You know, it's an amazing thing that the Conservatives actually competently handled the rollout of the vaccine.
	Millions of people have been vaccinated and the coronavirus numbers have just fallen off a cliff.
	So, good job.
	What more do you want?
	Women, younger people, and those with lower education were less willing to get the vaccine, apparently, which was particularly high from among black groups, where 72% said they were unlikely to get vaccinated, and Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups, this figure was 42%, and Eastern Europeans were also less willing.
	This was explained by The Guardian.
	As being part of, like, historic mistrust for the British state.
	Is that okay?
	Fair enough.
	But anyway, so yesterday Boris did a press conference, greenlighting, the two steps of ending lockdowns.
	Was this yesterday?
	Yeah, it was yesterday.
	And he confirmed that it was April 12th that we'll see non-essential shops, gyms, hairdressers, nail salons, libraries...
	Things like that will open.
	Bars and restaurants will be allowed to open and serve customers, but only outdoors.
	And it snowed yesterday.
	So, bad luck, I guess, if you're in the hospitality industry.
	For some reason, nature has conspired against you.
	It doesn't even matter.
	But the thing is, I mean, what's the point?
	What's so special about a bar that requires a different rule to a hairdresser?
	There isn't one.
	Exactly.
	None of this has been based on, like, common sense, reality.
	But outdoor groups will still be limited to two households or the rule of six, which is something I've never really understood.
	Why six?
	One at five?
	One at seven?
	I don't know.
	Just pull the number out of our rears.
	Travellers coming in will require a clear COVID test within three days and then two clear tests after entry.
	I assume they're going to get quarantined in a four-star hotel if they fail those.
	And the government has also announced that it's developing coronavirus passports.
	Don't like it.
	No.
	Especially when they said consistently we're not going to do COVID passports.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think it's today or yesterday that even the Biden administration said they're not going to do this on a federal level after multiple governors coming out and saying they would just refuse to enact it.
	Yeah.
	Based Florida governors.
	Yeah, but even based Biden.
	Yeah.
	Like, Biden said we're not going to do this.
	But no, didn't DeSantis outlaw the idea, outlaw the use of COVID passwords?
	Yeah, so that was on the state level.
	My understanding is Biden's administration have said on a federal level we're not going to do it either.
	Yeah.
	So they seem to be backing down.
	Yeah, that's good.
	And Boris is wetter than Biden.
	Yes.
	Biden's also rebuilding the wall.
	So yes, Boris definitely is wetter than Biden.
	But anyway, so this announcement, they say it's likely to become a feature of our lives until the threat from the pandemic recedes.
	Judging by your own numbers, it looks like the threat of the pandemic has receded.
	So don't even waste my money, is what I'm saying.
	Anyway, the government believes that the COVID status certification, as in the passports, could have an important role to play, both domestically and internationally, as a temporary measure.
	Why?
	You've won.
	Like, internationally, yes.
	Maybe.
	If you're looking at a foreign country that's got a high level and they've got tourists or something want to come here, you'd say test them.
	It's the same with, like, Yellow Fever when you go to Zimbabwe or something, right?
	Yeah.
	But domestically, absolutely not.
	Like, absolutely not.
	That is North Korean levels of you need a passport to be able to travel.
	Yeah, but the thing is, if everyone's been vaccinated and the vaccine's, like, 95% effective, then what's the point of it anyway?
	Also a good point.
	But it's if you want to go for zero COVID, which I assume is what they're trying to do without saying it.
	Well, that would be the implication, because they haven't said that they're trying to get zero COVID. But there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around about vaccines and what vaccines are.
	I saw a Sky News segment...
	Yesterday, where one of the guests was saying that, well, you know, if the COVID variant turns out to be resistant to the vaccine, and I was like, that's not how vaccines work.
	Vaccines aren't antibiotics.
	As I understand it, the vaccine, what it's doing is showing your white blood cells what the protein shell of a COVID infection looks like.
	So it can actually sort of see and detect and then attack the vaccine.
	The COVID virus itself.
	So the vaccine actually does nothing to the virus.
	What the vaccine does is teach your body what the virus looks like.
	So there's no such thing as a COVID variant that's resistant to a vaccine.
	I think he means like a new variant in which the vaccine would not protect against.
	Possibly, but that's not what she said.
	So it was just strange.
	But anyway...
	There's lots of opposition to this from both sides of the Commons, which is shocking.
	It's both, like, the Conservative Libertarians, the Liberal Democrats, and Labour, including Jeremy Corbyn, are all on the right side of this issue.
	And Boris is just, like, on the other side.
	How did he bring these people together?
	I don't know.
	It's baffling.
	But, like, it was embarrassing listening to, what was it, Ed Davies from the Liberal Democrats?
	Like, in this mealy mouth, yeah, but what about our ancient liberties?
	Slap that word out of your mouth.
	Don't you dare say that.
	You're in favour of hate speech laws.
	Don't you talk to me about liberty.
	God.
	Anyway, basically socialists.
	Don't mind them.
	But anyway, foreign holidays will be able to be taken from May the 17th with a kind of risk-based traffic light system.
	So...
	Just some country's good, some country's not good.
	Anyway, there's been quite a lot of pushback on all of this, actually.
	Like, EasyJet, we're like, we're not doing these tests.
	And this is another thing.
	So each of these tests, the pre-departure and post-arrival tests, might cost the traveller £200 a test for some reason.
	And that's really bizarre, considering, like, all across Europe, they're doing exactly the same tests for, like, £30 a pop.
	So it's like, why is it going to cost us £200?
	And it seems that it's just going to be...
	I mean, easy jet.
	Have you ever taken their flights?
	Like, your flights across Europe?
	I think the lowest one I saw was, like, to Ireland for, like, £7.
	And, like, going to Germany, it's, like, £20, £30 if you get it good.
	So a £200 test?
	Yeah.
	I mean, exactly.
	I mean, it's a budget airline.
	Like, it's not...
	Unsurprisingly, they're like, look, this is not good.
	You know, we don't want to do this.
	But yeah, and so it's ridiculous.
	And obviously it looks like a wealth tax.
	It looks like it's a privilege for the wealthy.
	And so there, Joan Lundgren, who I assume is the CEO of EasyJet, said, you wouldn't open up international travel for anyone but only those who can afford it, which is correct.
	So that's true.
	Anyway, Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi said in defense of the vaccine passports that it's only right that we look at all these options that are available to us to take our lives back.
	You're the ones stopping us from doing this.
	Nobody else is stopping us from doing this.
	You're doing this to us.
	This isn't being done to us remotely by the coronavirus that most of us have been vaccinated against now, or just aren't vulnerable to.
	It's you that did this.
	Anyway, Boris obviously didn't rule out the idea, and Zahawi said, I think it would be remiss and irresponsible for us to not look at these things.
	What a slippery argument.
	Yeah, it's very slippery.
	Oh, we need to look at it.
	Okay, well now you've looked at it.
	Stop.
	Yeah, the answer's no.
	Yeah, it's that simple.
	No one else is doing it.
	Well, the Americans aren't doing it.
	Good enough for me.
	We shouldn't be doing it either.
	I imagine New Zealanders are doing it.
	Anyway, he stressed that it would be not needed for the reopening of outdoor hospitality and non-essential retail, so he was like, well, I don't think we'll need it to go shopping and go to the pub.
	Thank God for small mercies.
	Like, oh, thank you, thank you, oh Lord and Saviour in the Conservative government, for allowing me to go to the pub without vaccine papers.
	You know, they don't need to say papers, please, as I go in for a beer.
	But apparently, right, and I don't know where they're getting these polls, and I don't believe them, the public are apparently overwhelmingly in support of vaccine passports, if you can believe that.
	Name them.
	Yeah, good question.
	Like, name the people in the poll, I'm sorry.
	I want to go and harass them on social media.
	Well, it's not even that, I just, I find it incredibly hard to believe.
	I mean, any group you go to and ask them about that, they're just like, oh, for God's sakes.
	Like, the government's coming up with nonsense.
	Yeah, I mean, I haven't met a single person in real life who supports vaccine passports.
	Not that I'm saying that that's a representative sample or anything, but I just have never met anyone who thinks it's a good idea.
	A recent opinion poll among 8,000 UK adults suggested there was strong public support for the use of vaccine passports in certain situations.
	I wonder how, like, with all things, with all polls, if you frame it in a particular way, you can get people to agree to anything.
	So more than three quarters, surveyed by Ipsos Mori, supported their use for international travel and to visit a relative in a care home.
	You want to go visit your nanny?
	Papers, please.
	It's awful.
	And apparently 74% supported their use to visit relatives in hospital and 68% to attend the theatre or indoor concerts.
	68%.
	68%.
	Don't believe it.
	Don't believe it.
	Two-thirds.
	Two-thirds of people are like, yes, of course I need a passport to go to the cinema.
	I'd like to watch the latest Disney film with my children.
	Here are my papers, sir.
	Sorry, no papers, you can't come in.
	But opposition to COVID passports being used within the UK has mounted with, obviously, 70 cross-party MPs now criticising the plan, but that's only 70.
	I mean, the Conservatives have still got a large enough majority that even if it was 70 Conservatives who objected, they could still pass it.
	I thought it was 41 of them were Conservatives or something like that.
	Yeah, it is.
	It's still actually a tiny fraction of the Conservatives.
	But I thought that was enough to take them to their majority.
	No, because they've got 380 majority.
	Okay, fair enough.
	So the Conservatives actually...
	This, again, why it's so frustrating.
	The Conservatives do nothing of any use.
	They can actually get anything done at this point.
	But no, it has been floated.
	There should be vaccine passports for shops for some reason.
	Don't know why.
	If you can scroll down and show the headline here.
	According...
	Indicating...
	Downing Street has indicated...
	So, you know, Boris...
	This could be for the removal of lockdown restrictions in total after the 21st of June, because obviously they'll be limited from April to June.
	The idea provoked horror among retailers, with one trade body describing it as neither appropriate nor useful.
	I'm not surprised.
	I mean, one of the...
	We literally say, look, a bunch of these people can't come into your shop by government fiat.
	You as a retailer are like, well, I'd really like their custom.
	Like, I'd like to have customers.
	Yes, I would like them to be able to come into my shop and buy something.
	There's also the point here that because vaccines are rolled out by decade to decade, as it starts at the high-risk groups and goes down, if you did have pubs, then you'd be raising the drinking age to effectively 40-50.
	And anyone under that age can just go stuff themselves, I guess.
	Well, you're raising the flying wealth to like 25 grand a year.
	Yeah.
	If you don't earn that much, then you probably can't go for many flights or anywhere.
	Anyway, so yeah, a briefing document on Monday confirmed the government is considering the introduction of COVID status certification as lockdown eases so that individuals wanting to enter the premises can prove they've been vaccinated, recently tested, or gained immunity through previous infection.
	How do I prove that, though?
	How do I prove that I've been previously infected?
	They have to test me for antibodies or something.
	And how long does that take?
	I don't know.
	But until then, you can't go in the store?
	I guess not.
	Takes a few hours, doesn't it?
	Right, great.
	More long delays in airports.
	I can't wait.
	Anyway, so this...
	I mean, apart from the fact that this is terrible, on the plus side, it means at least that most of the country, even if they were to bring it in, at least most of the country would actually be fine, because they either have had COVID or are going to be tested as negative or have had the vaccine, right?
	So, not a problem.
	So, the whole question of the vaccine is now blowing up with the EU. The EU accusing the vaccine of causing blood clots.
	Now, I don't know one way or another whether it does or doesn't.
	I am in no way a medical expert.
	Do not take medical advice from me.
	But it strikes me as very strange that 31 million people in Britain have been vaccinated and there hasn't been a spate of blood clotting that's gone on.
	You would think that, you know, there would be some sort of Impact from that number.
	So, just saying.
	But anyway, a senior official at the European Medicines Agency said he believes that there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and extremely rare cases of blood clots reported in people who have recently had the jab.
	Marco Cavallari, head of vaccine strategy at the EMA, said, in my opinion, we can now say it, there is a clear link with the vaccine.
	What causes this reaction, however, we don't know.
	When asked if the risk-benefit ratio was still in favour of the vaccine, he replied yes, but the effects on different age groups need to be examined in more detail.
	The EMA recently, in fact last week, said there was a causal link with the vaccine that had not been proven and continued to recommend people take the opportunity to get vaccinated if it was offered, and this apparently hasn't changed even though they now think there is some kind of causal link.
	Then why are you handing them out?
	Don't know.
	Well, a bunch of countries suspended them, remember?
	Yeah.
	And now they...
	And then a bunch of them rescinded on that, saying, actually, no, you can have this vaccine.
	It's like...
	I don't know.
	Bad messaging.
	The World Health Organization has said that the benefits outweigh the risks, and so has someone else, but I can't remember who it was.
	But yeah, so...
	Well, British scientists, in fact, have been saying that.
	In fact, we'll go straight on, because the SAGE scientists are like, we're not concerned about this.
	But the thing is, their response to this was actually...
	Not very good.
	And not very persuasive.
	So, Professor Callum Semple, who's on the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, which the acronym SAGE comes from, insisted the vaccine was safe, saying, what do I mean by safe?
	You can look right, look left, look right again and cross a road.
	It's safe to cross because you don't see any cars, but you can trip and you can stumble.
	Nothing is risk-free.
	But is the vaccine safe?
	I would say yes.
	Sounds like a snake oil salesman.
	Like, why would you not just say, as a scientist's word, there's a one in 100,000 chance or something like that?
	Like, I mean, that would be the normal thing to say.
	Yeah.
	We have no particular evidence that the vaccine is not safe, and therefore I think it's safe, and I would take it personally.
	But instead, he comes across like he's literally some sort of American traveling salesman.
	He's like, look left, look right, see?
	Life's full of risks.
	Here's the vaccine.
	Quick.
	He grabs his bag, puts his hat on, and then runs.
	You know, like, what...
	Why sound like that?
	Like, you sound nervous, and you sound like you've got something to hide, and I don't really like it when scientists sound like they have something to hide.
	Anyway, assessments are underway under the very rare and specific blood clot type in the brain, known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, occurring together with low levels of platelets following vaccination in adults.
	Again, the World Health Organization, the EMA, just, like, We haven't got anything, but apparently they're going to be announcing findings of their assessments this week.
	Ravi Gupta, a professor of clinical microbiology at Cambridge Institute for Therapeutic Immunology and Infectious Diseases, told Sky News that the vaccination programme should continue until more is known about the blood clots and the AstraZeneca vaccine.
	And so that's all the information we have.
	Does it cause blood clots?
	Don't know.
	One side said yes, one side says no.
	In fact, one side doesn't even say yes, they say they think it does, but they haven't got any particular data.
	But they're not going to stop handing them out.
	They're not going to stop handing it out.
	The benefits still outweigh the risks.
	And we're still looking at the road and the skid marks of the tires of the AstraZeneca scientists who drove off really quickly into the distance.
	I just wanted to mention about the vaccine passports again, because we had a little bit of a demonstration yesterday, because I don't really know how foreigners deal with this.
	And I'm saying this because of any foreigners on the continent who might not understand how repugnant this is to us.
	Hugo is Czech, and he explained to us that he has a card, and if he doesn't carry that card out in public and a police officer stops him, he has to show him the card of his ID, and if he doesn't, he gets a fine.
	And he was like, yeah, I agree with you guys.
	This shouldn't be the case.
	But he doesn't understand the, like...
	Like, you feel gross hearing that.
	Yeah.
	I heard the conversation.
	He was saying he doesn't understand the moral revulsion that we have.
	And he's like, yeah, but the government shouldn't be able to do that.
	Like, just be able to say, you owe me money because you're not carrying your papers?
	Yeah.
	It's just disgusting.
	And that's effectively what the vaccine passport will be.
	Because I know they say they basically want it on your phone, but it'll have a QR code and that will have all your information, you know, your date of birth, your name, blah, blah, blah.
	So it is effectively...
	It's the same thing.
	Papers, please.
	But this is something I've had to explain to Americans.
	They're like, don't you get, like, government-issued IDs?
	It's like, why the hell would I? Why would I get an ID from the government to prove that I'm a person or I exist?
	Like, you know, free country, but we've got government-issued IDs?
	No, I don't think so.
	And this is something that the UK government, like, ever, like, since, I think it was since Blair, in fact, They've been talking about trying to roll out, like, government-issued IDs, but every time they're like, no, it just smacks a big brother, and so we're not going to be able to do it.
	And it's like, yes, it does.
	And you are right.
	There's a distinct moral revulsion that is within, you know, a good British person.
	When presented, it's just wrong to do that.
	That's the point.
	This goes back a long way as well.
	The Yes Minister clip that's very famous, in which the civil service is like, oh, we're going to bring in a Europass with everyone's ID on it.
	And the minister's just like, you want me to make British people carry IDs with their identity on them?
	It's like, are you stupid?
	They'll sell him introducing a police state.
	Of course we're not doing this.
	It was considered politically in the show, politically as bad as just, I'm giving up the entire position in the government.
	I'm resigning, if you are the one who introduces that.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, Boris can just introduce this as like, oh, we're just looking at this.
	This should be something we should bring into pubs and all the rest of it.
	Yeah, no, this is horrible.
	No, like if you actually bring that in, you can't be trusted with anything.
	Yeah, well, again, police state is what this looks like because that's the first step towards a police state is the government knowing who they're dealing with, where at all times and making sure that you can...
	I mean, especially if it's on your phone as well.
	Your phone's always on.
	That means the government is always going to have all of your information and be able to track you anywhere you go.
	Yeah.
	This isn't to say that, you know, these things are impossible with the way Melbourne technology works, of course, but it's the principle of the thing, having it in law, that the state can just mandate that your ID must be given.
	Yeah, but the problem with modern technology is it makes it eminently possible.
	It makes it very, very easy.
	It means that people don't even have to...
	Yeah, but I mean in the sense that, you know, Facebook can track you all the time.
	And you'll hear people defending this, like, well, oh, if Facebook can do it, then what's your problem with the state doing it?
	It's up to Facebook.
	And I can shut down Facebook anytime I like.
	Can't do that with the state.
	I can, honestly.
	I'm not an addict.
	I'm not addicted to social media, I swear.
	But that's the point.
	It's mandatory by the state.
	And this is totally wrong.
	And that's the point.
	That's the difference between Brave New World 1984, incidentally.
	And Huxley was right.
	It's like, look, they won't be putting the knee on the neck of the entire population.
	They'll just make the population like it.
	And then they'll do it.
	And now I can't quit for social media.
	Anyway.
	I've got a bit of a downer story.
	Yeah, go on.
	Well, mine wasn't exactly...
	Oh, yeah, I mean, that wasn't a white pill either, was it?
	The last one's going to be good, though.
	Okay, so stick around with the last one.
	But this is a story that I think we've spoken about before, but it just keeps getting worse.
	So this popped back up into the mainstream conversation.
	Which is that the UK is just refusing to deport child rapists by the looks of it.
	So this story popped up in the Sun.
	It was an exclusive with them in which they had tracked down a child rapist who had been criminalized.
	He was meant to be deported and he wasn't.
	So just go through the story here so people can update if they haven't seen it.
	So the headline being, why is he still here?
	So Qatari Abdul Ralph was warned he would be kicked out of Britain after being jailed for his part in the Rochdale scandal, in which dozens of girls as young as 13 were assaulted or raped.
	Ralph got six years after being found guilty of conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children under 16 and trafficking for sexual exploitation.
	Only six years?
	Only six years.
	So he can get half the good behaviour?
	They didn't bother to charge him with rape either, which Maggie Oliver says they had the evidence to, but they thought it would be easier to get him on just trafficking.
	So, we'll mention that in a minute.
	But after being freed on licence in November 2014, just two years and six months in prison...
	A guy involved in a grooming gang raping children.
	Two years and six months.
	That's what he got.
	He returned home to his wife and five children.
	Ralph and fellow abusers Abdulaziz and Adil Khan were told by the Home Office in July 2015 that they would be stripped of their UK citizenship and returned to their native Pakistan.
	They lost an appeal against the citizenship ruling in 2018, but still have the right to challenge the deportation decision.
	So they are.
	And the result is that they're still here, even though it's been years since they should have been deported if the system was proper.
	And instead, we now have the victims of these guys walking into them in supermarkets, and the son, I presume, sent a cameraman around there to get the pictures of Ralph there working, picking up fizzy drinks and food and whatnot.
	There's an allegation that maybe he's working for a shop or a food delivery service, which, if true, is horrible, because imagine him turning up at your door delivering your food, and you're one of his victims.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So Maggie Oliver wrote a piece about this in which she's just disgusted that this is still going on.
	Maggie Oliver, for people who don't know, was a detective working on the case.
	She worked on it as hard as she could and when she found that the police were either incompetent or unwilling to do things to actually deal with this, she just got so frustrated she quit.
	She quit the police so she could go public and be a whistleblower because she couldn't do that in the police.
	So she mentions that some of the victims are still in the area.
	The Nine Strong Gang was convicted in 2012 of abusing 47 girls.
	So that's the convictions they got.
	47 victims of nine men.
	Of the ones they didn't, there's a load more.
	It was later made into a TV drama called Three Girls.
	And Three Girls, coincidentally, happens to be the TV series of the girls themselves being groomed and abused and blah blah blah.
	It was what was said to have been the reason that the Finsbury Park Mosque attack happened.
	Apparently the attacker, the white British attacker who attacked the Muslims at Finsbury Park Mosque, said he watched this documentary and became incredibly, incredibly angry at the police failures and blamed Muslims and then went out and did that.
	So that's just the level of complexity that we're dealing with.
	but she says in here and the story is just unbearable to read but we're gonna have to because what else is there as a detective working on the investigation i became a i became the program consultant it shone a powerful light on how feeble the efforts of the law enforcement agencies had been in tackling the gangs despite overwhelming evidence against them this is about three girls documentary series
	Hamstrung by doctrines of political correctness in dealing with the Pakistani community, the senior ranks of Greater Manchester Police were too slow to act.
	Similarly, the Crown Prosecution Service took the easy routes of bringing only limited charges against the defendants.
	Instead of rape, they were charged with trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sex.
	As with Ralph, they ended up with two years and six months, and not at least seven years, as would be traditional for a rape.
	And the sentences themselves, despite the judge's tough words, were pitifully short.
	They were let down by the state when the grooming first occurred.
	They were still being let down by officialdom's refusal to uphold the law, keeping them informed or respect their human rights.
	In sharp contrast, Abdul Ralph's so-called human rights have been revered by the system, Just as he and his other gang members have been lavished upon with expensive legal aid.
	But where is the support for their victims?
	Where is their legal aid and their army of lawyers fighting for their rights?
	They were not informed about the probation service or the parole board in which they released the gangs, just as they were denied any information about the deportation cases.
	So now they must live their lives in fear of running into their attackers.
	So the victims of these rapists, still living in the same area, because, I mean, that's where they grew up and they live, are now living in fear of running into these guys.
	A few of them have, because, of course, they have.
	And the state failed them in the grooming, it's failed them in prosecuting these guys properly, failed them in giving them the lengthy sentences that they deserve, and has now failed them in not even telling them that they released them early.
	And, by the way, you might run into him in Asda.
	Failed them in getting rid of them from the country.
	And then also failed them to deport them.
	I mean, they've had their citizenship taken away, but they just haven't been deported for reasons unknown.
	Because of how our system works, by the looks of it.
	So she tells the story of one of the victims.
	She names Ruby, not her real name.
	So Ruby was raped aged 13 by one of Ralph's fellow predators, Adil Khan.
	She became pregnant by him, had a termination.
	But determined to seek justice...
	13-year-old rape victim gets an abortion.
	What a bloody horrible story that is.
	Determined to seek justice, Ruby agreed that the DNA could be taken from the aborted fetus to prove Khan's paternity.
	So to prove that he was a rapist.
	Even with this evidence, justice was not done.
	No mention of rape when the charges were brought against Khan, just the lesser accusations of conspiracy and trafficking.
	Khan was released early from prison after three years and his Pakistani background meant that he should have been deported.
	Ruby heard nothing from the probation service.
	Then one day, recently she turned to the corner of her local supermarket and there was Khan.
	She fled the shop in hysterics and was immediately on the phone to me, saying, Why is he here?
	Why is he still in Rochdale?
	She sobbed down the line.
	So yeah, the victims are running into their abusers.
	This isn't the first time this has happened either.
	I remember a story about this happening a couple of years ago, whereas a similar circumstance.
	The lady walked to Asda.
	That is Ruby by the Sounds.
	Oh, is that the same one?
	Yeah.
	So she continues here talking about it.
	In another case I've handled, an abuse victim was at her neighbour's house with her own daughter, when the little girl went to play outside.
	The mother followed her out, and then, to her horror, as she saw down the street a gang member who had abused her in the past, glaring, fixably, at her little girl.
	So, she walked outside, saw one of the gang rapists, and the gang rapist was looking at her daughter.
	Great.
	Wonderful.
	The tragedy is that what happened in Rochdale is still going on throughout the country.
	Lessons have not been learned, gangs still operate with near impunity because the authorities miss management and paralysis.
	They continue to be hypersensitive about cultural issues, but utterly insensitive about the victims' rights.
	I had to read that because it's Maggie Oliver's word.
	She's the detective on the case.
	I can't think of anyone more authoritative to speak on this issue.
	Good for her work on this.
	Just the state of the UK, man.
	They're just running into their rape victim.
	Sorry, the rapist.
	What can they even do about it?
	What are you going to do?
	Call the police?
	Yeah, he's done nothing wrong.
	As far as they're concerned, by being in that street with his victim.
	Even though he should be deported?
	Even though he shouldn't be in the country, and he...
	I mean, he shouldn't have been out of jail in two and a half years.
	It's wild.
	Raping a kid, being part of a rape gang that traffics children and makes money out of raping children and prostituting children around the country, and the British state was like, well, I mean, two and a half years.
	I'm not going to charge you for the rape.
	Yeah, I mean, you force us to act.
	We have to do something.
	I guess we have to do something.
	We'll even take your citizenship away, but we're not going to make you leave, so what difference did that make?
	Yeah, and as Maggie Oliver points out, this is not an historical thing either.
	This is still going on throughout the country, and the government is still, even with all the words from Sabah Javid and nice words from Priti Patel, this still goes on.
	This is still just where we live.
	Tell me what's Priti Patel saying about this, because you would think she'd be becoming incredibly belligerent about this.
	Yeah, so I just want to mention that the case you were talking about was with Hearts of Oak when we made a demonstration down in London talking about exactly this and with a message to Priti Patel that, no, you need to deport these people.
	You can't just expect this to be a nothing burger and to go away.
	This is something that's going to get worse and worse the more you leave it.
	So then Priti Patel has responded to this, if you can get the next Sun article up, in which I don't like the Sun's framing of this.
	They're trying to be like, yeah, Priti's fight.
	Priti Patel pledges to deport Rochdale's sex ring monsters.
	Let it have it.
	Let it have it.
	Okay, yeah, no, it is Priti Patel's fight.
	Priti, everyone's looking at you to deport these paedophiles.
	Get on with it.
	What's the delay?
	So she tries to explain in here her problems.
	So, tough immigration rules means that she'll be able to kick out foreign criminals without getting bogged down in lengthy and costly legal battles.
	Hey, do you know where those rules came from?
	Labour.
	Do you know whose rules you need to repeal?
	Labour's.
	Do you know why?
	Because Tony Blair was doing everything he could to undermine the safety and sanctity of this country.
	Repeal it all.
	Get rid of it.
	Do it tomorrow.
	You've got the numbers.
	That is what she's trying to do, her aides are saying.
	So they say that a source told the Suns is presumably one of her aides.
	The Home Secretary is straining every Sinju to get these men deported.
	They are some of the most complex cases the Home Office has seen, but a new immigration plan will make them easier.
	Under Mrs.
	Patel's proposals, the Home Office could boot out the likes of...
	Yeah, this is the guy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think this should be part of the sort of retributive justice that we talk about.
	If you are part of a grooming gang in the UK, deportation is the minimum.
	You'll go to jail, you'll serve your sentence, then you get deported and you'll never be allowed back.
	I mean, you would have thought it would be simple.
	We're not talking about, like, pickpocketers.
	This is a child rapist.
	Convicted.
	Yeah.
	Like, a professional.
	Someone who made money out of raping children.
	And I would love to be, like, you know, go pretty...
	With an ethnic component as well.
	A racist.
	A racist rape gang.
	That's something Ella Hill makes a great point about, which is that these people do it on the basis of hating the people they are raping, which is they should get charged with a hate crime to extend their sentence, but they don't by the CPS, but they will go after the likes of Count Dankula because that's of more importance to them.
	But I'd love to sing Priti Patel's praises about the fact that she's doing a thing, which is good, as you want.
	But we have heard this before, so if we can get the next link up.
	This was an interview she gave to the Express, saying about this, that she pledged to get rid of them in September 2020.
	And we actually have a clip from this interview, so if you can get the first clip up, so we can watch her response.
	The issue that still remains again, brought up particularly in the Keithley area, was the grooming situation.
	That's right, yeah.
	So what we have seen in recent years, obviously the horror, the absolute abhorrent horror of grooming gangs.
	There's just some incredible work that's been taking place, Esther, with the NCA in particular, on very targeted operations around the perpetrators of horrible, horrible sexual abuse and the abuse of young girls.
	We are, and I can at least give some assurance without giving too much away, when it comes to the individuals, the perpetrators, it is right that they're going through the criminal justice process, sentence sin is taking place, but also we are speaking about individuals, sometimes of dual nationality, And looking at how we can absolutely make sure that people are served notice, deported for their crimes.
	I'm afraid in the past not enough of that activity has taken place.
	And we're also working in the Home Office and across with the MOJ as well, the Ministry of Justice, to ensure that justice is given to the victims.
	And therefore individuals are given the right sentences, but also when it comes to making sure the victims are protected, that the right kind of protection orders through local policing, through local police forces, are also being put in place to protect the victims of those abhorrent crimes.
	So, lots of pretty words.
	Yeah, very nice words, and I agree with them all, but...
	That's why everyone's a bit like, oh, she's promised to get rid of them.
	Yeah.
	She does that, yeah.
	Once or twice a year, she'll come out and promise that this problem is solved.
	Yeah.
	It will be solved.
	But to give her her due, so she did publish a bunch of proposals of changes to the immigration system.
	So if we can go to the next link up, this is the new plan for immigration in which she brought out.
	And as referenced earlier, one of the sources said that we have a new proposal of Okay, good.
	Okay, good.
	Okay, good.
	Good that she's proposing this.
	I hope it passes.
	I'm just going to read a bit of it just so we can find out what it is.
	So, the new one-stop process will require people to raise all protection-related issues up front, and these considered together and ahead of an appeal were applicable.
	This includes grounds for asylum, human rights, or referral as a potential victim of modern slavery.
	People who claim for any form of protection will be issued with a one-stop notice requiring them to bring forward all relevant matters in one go and will start the process.
	So you have to turn up, give all the information there.
	Any information given later, don't care.
	You're wasting my time.
	get out and she even gives a couple of examples of this kind of stuff going on to say why this needs to be changed i mean you would think she would just cite this one but uh this is a much wider issue by the sounds of it so as you mentioned here last year over 60 foreign offenders with no right to remain in the uk were identified for deportation to to jamaica due to serious criminality including offenses such as murder rape and and child sexual exploitation
	so it's not just Pakistanis that are also getting away with staying in the UK through this loophole.
	These individuals had extensive opportunity throughout the deportation process to raise any reasons to challenge the deportation action.
	In the days prior to the deportation flight, following a number of last minute applications, only 13 of the 60 foreign offenders were deported.
	This means that the deportation of a very large population of cases, including foreign offenders with more serious convictions, has been deferred.
	This is not an exceptional example and occurs on many removal flights.
	So she's complaining in here, this isn't just a one-time thing either.
	The Home Office is dealing with a whole bunch of activist lawyers who just love keeping child rapists and murderers in the country.
	I mean, I guess they get paid to do it, don't they?
	They get money, so I guess it's not for them.
	And the more, you know, okay, we'll try on this one.
	Now they rejected that.
	Oh, we'll try on another one.
	And I get paid for this one again.
	And now they kick that back.
	Oh, we've got a third one and a fourth one.
	And...
	So at least in this way, if it's all got to be done at the one time, it prevents the sort of rinsing of the system of money.
	Yeah, so I mean, completely amoral people who just want to get money from doing this kind of thing.
	At least we can try and shut down on that.
	So, I mean, it is good that she's pointing this out.
	But she also mentions in here, in one case, a criminal subject to deportation very late in the process, just before their removal, was able to make three sequential and separate claims to remain in the UK. This included two appeals which were found to have been without merit, and at the very last minute, an asylum claim.
	The result was the removal from the UK was postponed and delayed.
	And the fact that she says, you know, in one case, I do wonder if she's referring to this case.
	So I bring that all up just to be like, well, she is doing a thing.
	It would be easy to just dunk on her and be like, you know, you've said this before, blah, blah, blah.
	Or to just ring her bell and say she's doing amazing.
	It seems to be a bit complicated.
	She is making the proposals that would seem to help.
	It's not perfect.
	I would rather they just have the ability to outright deport without the appeals even.
	I mean, in a case in which you are convicted, it's a point in an appeal.
	Oh, if I go to Pakistan, they might put me in jail.
	Okay.
	Not my problem.
	They might kill me.
	I don't care.
	You're a child rapist.
	Like, we'll make that the law here, then.
	Yeah, why shouldn't we?
	You know?
	Like, what is the argument for your life that's so useful, but...
	Yeah, that's what's been going on.
	So I saw it pop back up.
	I had to mention it because this is still going on.
	This is still the state of the country.
	But at least Priti Patel is changing the law.
	Good for her.
	If she fails to do this, then what is the point of her?
	Because what point in her is there if she's not able to get rid of child abuse?
	What point is there in the Conservatives having this giant majority if they can't just do the things that they need to do?
	Even the most basic stuff.
	I mean, we ask about, you know, change this legislation.
	Get rid of Tony Blair's reforms.
	And these would be significant things.
	But if they can't even do the basics of get rid of a child rapist...
	I don't know what to tell you.
	It's pretty mad, really, isn't it?
	It's pathetic.
	But, yeah, I hope it passes.
	Well, yeah.
	I just...
	This grooming gang thing has been going on for so long and it's so depressing and I just hate thinking about it.
	I hate talking about it now.
	It's deflating, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I dread to think what Maggie Oliver's like at this point.
	I mean, how long she's been dealing with it.
	Anyway, let's go on something more jolly.
	Yeah, Jordan Peterson's a Nazi.
	Did you know that?
	I thought we'd known this for a long time.
	We had.
	But we're going to really explore exactly how Jordan Peterson is a Nazi.
	So yeah, we're going to wind the clock back five years for this segment.
	Because five years ago, Captain America pledged his allegiance to HYDRA. Now, I'm not a particular Marvel fan at all, in fact...
	But I'm not a fan, even more so, of the fact that Marvel has been taken over by the woke brigade, and this means that everything in Marvel has gone rather far to the left.
	And if you go far enough to the left, as just any point, imagine you're just relatively there, you're there, I'm there, and then someone goes all the way over here...
	You can see that the distance between me and you becomes more and more narrow.
	And so eventually we're just a spot on a line far off in the distance.
	You say, well, you're basically the same because I see you in almost exactly the same position.
	And that is the summary of the political difference of what has happened in Captain America now.
	And the thing is, the people who are behind this are well aware of that.
	They are well aware of this phenomenon.
	So anyway, right, so starting in 2016, as The Guardian reported back then, a Captain America comic was published in which Captain America seemed to pledge his allegiance to Hydra and the Red Skull, which is, of course, his arch-nemesis.
	Hydra, like, is the long-time...
	Enemy of Captain America, this organisation with the Red Skull.
	I actually was not really aware.
	I thought the Red Skull was a communist thing, and it probably has been during the Cold War and stuff like this, but now Nazis are the thing that we all care about again.
	So, Red Skull's a Nazi.
	But anyway, truth, justice and the American way are all out of the window this week as Marvel Comics reveals that Captain America is a sleeper agent for HYDRA, a fascist terrorist organisation.
	Seeds have been retroactively sown for Steve Rogers' extreme right-wing tendencies, effectively chucking out the baby with three quarters of a century worth of red, white and blue bathwater.
	The reaction has been not so great.
	Hashtag say no to HydraCap sprang up on Twitter almost immediately, under which thousands of fans vented their rage.
	Petitions sprung up asking Marvel to reverse the storyline, and the writer Nick Spencer received death threats.
	Death threats.
	Death threats.
	For exploring a new kind of narrative.
	In Captain America, yeah.
	And as you can see, Chris Evans, the guy who plays Captain America in the Marvel movies, is like, HYDRA? Hashtag say it ain't so.
	There we go.
	Turns out Captain America is actually a secret sleeper agent for the Nazis.
	Very subversive.
	I think it's just him exploring a new kind of vector.
	Like, oh, wouldn't it be interesting if we did this with the character?
	That's because you don't know anything about Nick Spencer.
	I don't, but tell me about him.
	Well, he's a communist.
	Oh, is he?
	So now, do you think that this is just about exploring narratives?
	Might not be.
	Of course it's not.
	It was explicitly subversive by his own accounts.
	But anyway, this is in fact what one of the editors, Tom Brevoort, said in Time magazine.
	We try to write comics in 2016 that are about the world and the zeitgeist of 2016, particularly in Captain America.
	Nick Spencer is very politically active.
	He's a Capitol Hill head and following this election very closely, so he can talk about political issues in a metaphoric way.
	That's what gives our stories weight and meat to them.
	Any parallels you've seen in situations real or imagined, living or dead, is probably intentional, but metaphorically, not literally.
	So his writing is expressly political, and it directly reflects current political events.
	So when Captain America comes out and says, Hail Hydra, what they're saying is that Donald Trump, the Avatar of America, has become a Nazi.
	I forget what year it was then as well.
	Yes.
	And the thing is, if we go to the next one, this is not something he's been shy about saying on things like Twitter and interviews.
	It's quite explicit about it.
	He did, though, go out of his way to explain that Hydra is not the Nazis.
	Believe it or not.
	So Hydra is not a Nazi organization.
	He says, while they're both very evil and villainous, Hydra is not a Nazi organization, but Hydra would happily partner with Nazis or anyone else as long as it helps them reach their ultimate goals.
	So they're kind of like the Illuminati or something, right?
	Crypto-Nazis.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	That's the one.
	They're not Nazis because the Nazis are a thing with particular...
	No, but I mean, they would happily work with them.
	Yeah, but that doesn't make them crypto Nazis.
	What that means is that they view the Nazis as a vehicle with which to advance their agenda.
	And so they'll happily, as I said, partner with Nazis or anyone else as long as it helps them reach their goals.
	And as the story plays out, people will see that Steve Rogers' view of Hydra is something fairly distinct.
	And he was arguing with people on Twitter about this for quite some time, saying, look, you know, the methods and the requirements to join Hydra are not the same as the requirements of the Biennale.
	Like, you know, you could be Jewish and join Hydra, basically, but you're obviously not going to be Jewish and become a Nazi.
	But Hydra doesn't really care about, like, that's Hydra's powerful power's sake, I guess.
	But anyway, the reason that all this matters is because of the Red Skull monologue that he gave in this 2016 comic.
	So if we can get it, and I'm going to read it, because at the time, this was shortly after the migrant crisis of 2015-2016, where Angela Merkel had accepted literally millions of Middle Eastern migrants into Europe without the assent of the rest of the European Union, despite the fact that she knows that Germany is part of the Schengen area, and so those migrants can just travel borderlessly without any kind of checks anywhere else in Europe.
	And there were many, many tens of thousands, in fact there were hundreds of thousands of minor crimes, like burglaries, assaults, things like that, There were tens of thousands of rapes and thousands of murders that came directly out of the migrant crisis.
	This is Angela Merkel's fault.
	And terrorist attacks.
	Oh, yeah.
	ISIS literally said, we will send our agents with the migrants.
	And they absolutely did.
	And Merkel was like, open the doors.
	Yeah, and they absolutely did.
	And this was in a time where there were terrorist attacks, like one every week, happening in France and Germany.
	And religiously inspired ones, where it was like nuns and priests being killed, as well as young women and young men being killed.
	And then you have attacks on various, like, what was the shooting that happened at the concert?
	Bataclan.
	That's it.
	Bataclan Asuka, things like this.
	It was a really, really difficult time on the continent.
	But in the United States, I guess they didn't feel it.
	They didn't feel it.
	And so this is the context of this Red Skull monologue, which I'm going to read to after I've played my throw.
	So, the Red Skull is at a political rally.
	In fact, he's giving one.
	And he says, Do they push them back and enforce the borders as is our sovereign duty?
	Of course not.
	They say here, take our food, take our shelter, take our way of life, then take our lives.
	Despicable.
	So, it is good to be here then, where some men still know how to fight.
	When I was a young man there was a great war and our countries did not see eye to eye.
	But all sides they agreed on certain things.
	Fundamental responsibilities of a nation.
	Protecting the land through strength.
	Preserving the heritage and culture of the people.
	Offering them opportunity.
	Now look at the world today.
	Look here at the dead husk that was these United States.
	How the mighty have fallen.
	Who is protected I ask you?
	On my flight, I was briefed about these brave patriots fighting the government's illegal claims to their land.
	And who does the land belong to, if not the people?
	This is who your government sees as the transgressors?
	What about the criminal trespassers who make a mockery of your borders?
	No, they are protected, of course.
	But this is only the beginning.
	Your entire culture is under siege.
	The principles upon which your country was founded are lost in the name of tolerance.
	Your religion, your beliefs, your sense of community, all tossed aside like trash.
	And you cannot even speak out against it lest you be called a bigot.
	And who benefits from all of this but the vultures feasting on the carcass?
	The bankers who stole your homes out from under you and the politicians they purchased?
	Well, let them call you what they will.
	I know who you truly are.
	The beginning of a revolution.
	The first to see the collapse of the old guard and the road something glorious.
	The glory of Hydra.
	I mean, Comrade Red Skull, to be honest.
	He's not wrong, is he?
	The only factual error I saw in there was him talking about bombs.
	Like, unfortunately, the terrorists have learned that bombs are actually pretty bad at killing people in Europe.
	They are.
	They start using trucks and guns, because trucks and guns kill far more people.
	Yeah, I mean, look at the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
	I mean, they use the assault rifles.
	Yeah, you let off a bomb, it shields most people the first blast.
	Yeah, only the people in the local vicinity, and then those out don't get hit by it.
	It's even worse than that, Red Skull.
	Yeah, but that's the point, isn't it?
	The factual error is he actually underestimates the killing potential of these Islamic terrorists.
	But other than that, everything he said there was an accurate representation.
	And this is the thing, this is what Nick Spencer had written.
	And he'd written it because he is deeply following politics via Twitter.
	And this is actually quite a good steel man of the opposition position.
	It is their sovereign duty to protect the borders of their country.
	It is the express purpose of the government to protect the rights and property of the people who live within that country, and not to simply do what Angela Merkel and all the other left-wing idiots are doing, and giving it to foreign people who are just travelling in their tens of thousands, in a big column, travelling through Europe.
	It's not their job to let them in.
	And so Red Skull's not wrong.
	I mean, you literally know there are terrorists among them.
	Yeah.
	It's like, let's not even sort them out.
	Let's not even open a border checkpoint and check.
	Yeah.
	No, let's just let them all in.
	And the thing is, Nick Spencer is not wrong that, you know, from his distant position, from where on the horizon he can see the fascist and he can see the liberal, and they've essentially harmonized into the same person because he has changed the nature of the conversation by...
	The power of the influence of left-wing politics on the Western world, the nature of the conversation has changed.
	It is not about liberty versus authoritarianism and totalitarianism.
	What it is is a question of are our countries valid or are they not?
	And the are they not valid is the communist position that has gone all the way over here and said, actually, we need to get rid of our countries.
	So, you know, no Trump, no wall, no USA at all.
	Open borders for everyone, and that will make a better world, says the communist, to which the liberal and the fascist, although they might be quite far away from each other in real life, by comparison, they share the same position where they're like, actually, I don't think countries should be abolished.
	And there we go.
	Now the liberals are the same as the fascists, because the communists are dictating the narrative of what can be said and what can be spoken about.
	This is why, in my view, the AFD seemed to get such a hard time.
	Because we met their MPs.
	Their MPs seemed liberal as hell.
	They're not right-wing or far-right by any imagination.
	Constitutionists, as far as I could tell.
	Yeah.
	And their position was just, we oppose you dissolving Germany and saying, we have no borders and anyone who wants to come here can come.
	I mean, I think Germany in that year...
	And that's why I'm in opposition to the AFD. But what was it?
	One or two percent of the population of Germany arrived in that year just from migration?
	Yeah.
	It's mad.
	It's absolutely mad.
	But obviously the communist open-border types are fully in favour of this.
	And so it turns out, by the way, that this was just the cliffhanger ending for whatever particular season or run of this comic book.
	And it turns out this was all a big fake-out, and so Captain America isn't really part of HYDRA, he's not really a Nazi, but they had everyone persuaded and believing that that's what they were going to do with this.
	And so, anyway, that was in 2016.
	So in 2018, Ta-Nehisi Coates was picked to write for the new Captain America comics that were going to be produced, and have now come out.
	Now...
	If you don't know who Ta-Nehisi Coates is, he is a writer who wrote for The Atlantic.
	I'll give you his bio first before we go into what he's written.
	He's written such articles as This is How We Lost to the White Man, which is in 2008.
	Fear of a black president in 2012.
	The myth of Western civilization in 2013.
	The case for reparations in 2014.
	There is no post-racial America in 2015.
	The enduring myth of black criminality in 2015.
	The case for decarceration, the abolishment of prisons, 2015.
	The case for considering reparations.
	I guess the case for reparations wasn't persuasive enough on its own in 2016.
	And finally, the feminists of Wakanda in 2016.
	He's pretty radically left-wing.
	He was described by Cornel West, who is even further left-wing than him, as the neoliberal face of the black freedom struggle.
	Coates and I come from the great tradition of the black freedom struggle.
	He represents the neoliberal wing that sounds militant about white supremacy but renders black fightback invisible.
	This wing reaps the benefits of the neoliberal establishment that rewards silence on issues such as Wall Street greed or Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and people.
	And Socialist Alternative, which is a socialist website, criticized him on the grounds that he rejects broad economic redistribution.
	Instead, he advocates for policies targeting blacks exclusively, such as reparations, as the only feasible means of closing the material divide between African Americans and whites.
	Because reparations is a political dead end, Coates is offering white liberals, even a stratum of conservatives, who are either self-consciously or reflexively committed to neoliberal orthodoxies, absolution via public testimony to their privilege and also their so-called racial sins.
	So he's not a communist strictly, but not far from it.
	He's kind of a racial communist.
	And again, that's very far to the left in my opinion.
	And so it shouldn't be surprising that he has essentially harmonized Jordan Peterson with the Red Skull.
	Now this, if we can get the tweet up...
	Sorry, there we go.
	Right, yeah.
	So, this is an image from the latest Captain America comic, in which you can see the Red Skull is on YouTube.
	And, as you can see, it's a video called 10 Rules for Life.
	An obvious parody of Jordan Peterson's 12 Rules for Life.
	And you can see the other videos recommended.
	Order and Chaos, Carl Luger's Genius, The Feminist Trap, I mean, it's about as subtle as a punch to the face, isn't it, really?
	But again, they have put some very interesting words into the mouth of the Red Skull.
	If we go to the next one, which is...
	I posted one of these comics on Gab, and...
	Can we have one, John?
	There we go.
	Not that one.
	Sorry, I kind of...
	Oh, right, okay.
	Well, I posted a link on Gab just with, again, one of the Red Skull's little monologues, because it's like, look, are you trying to turn this person into the hero?
	Because essentially he is ascribed to the Red Skull Jordan Peterson's position.
	And he says, Based.
	Tell me more.
	This is about to make him look bad.
	Yeah.
	Click subscribe.
	Like, sorry.
	Like, what's...
	He's not wrong.
	And this isn't strictly in the Nazi position.
	I mean, it might be something a Nazi would agree with, but there are also lots of other people who are not Nazis who would also agree with this.
	And one of those people is Jordan Peterson.
	So anyway, Jordan Peterson responds to this.
	He is surprised, to say the least.
	Sorry, go back.
	Yeah, and so he says, And the answer is, of course, yes, you do.
	You do live in that world.
	And that's because, again, if you are so far over to the left where you think that any amount of self-discipline and self-restraint and personal sacrifice and hard work are a form of fascism, which is essentially what the left-wing response has been to Jordan Peterson's,
	what I'm going to characterize as just essentially stoic, view of the world as in you need to be the rock upon which other people can be supported you know and if you if you take care of yourself and you are not dependent on others for your emotional support then you're making the world a better place by easing the burden on others which is again very individualistic nothing anti-liberal about any of that personal responsibility conservative message dare we say it if that is also the same as Nazism in your
	view then again you must be so far away from That the two have just harmonized into the one position.
	And so people started memeing this, where the Red Skull, if we can get to the next one, has now been ascribed a bunch of drawn pieces and quotes.
	And I mean, it's like, look, if your life is not what it could be, try telling the truth.
	If you cling desperately to an ideology or wallow in nihilism, try telling the truth.
	Oh no, what a villain!
	The Red Skull's like, listen, we need to start telling the truth.
	It's like, that's not bad.
	Hail Hydra, I guess.
	I mean, what do you want from me?
	I want people to tell the truth.
	It's a good thing.
	I saw some people in the chat thinking about a Hydra party, so people can vote Hydra.
	If they're about, you know, just protecting the borders, having things run as they should be, and telling the truth about everything in Jordan Peterson fashion.
	What's there to oppose?
	Yeah, why would I say no?
	Maybe they'll do something about the child rapist that we can't seem to deport.
	If that's okay with the communists, which we know it's not.
	Could you imagine someone making that?
	Maybe we should abort two old rapists.
	Nah, the Red Skulls said it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Basically, yeah.
	If the Red Skull's in favour of it, we're against it.
	Deporting child rapists?
	Shit.
	But yeah, so that's why Jordan Peterson is being called the Red Skull and being compared to him, because a radical left-winger has decided, a really radical left-winger, decided that just the existence of nation-states was fascism, and then another radical left-winger came along and was like, yeah, Jordan Peterson is the ideology of this fascism.
	And when they say fascism, what they mean is conservative Republican values.
	Simple as that.
	It's great.
	I love it.
	It's amazing.
	I hope there's more of the memes.
	Like, I hope the guy who writes the comic, like, fully embraces it and just carries on, like, boneheadedly being like, yes, conservatism is Nazism.
	See, they are all Nazis, I told you.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's just going to flip the audience, being like, hang on, I agree with that.
	Yeah, yeah, the Red Skull's right about all of this.
	What are you complaining about?
	You should respect your parents.
	Why is he bad?
	I want the tapes to become more and more tepid.
	Him still pointing out, you know, this is Hydra.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's exactly it.
	You know, it's like maybe children should be in school and not at home because of fear of COVID. It's like Nazism.
	Anyway, so we'll go to the video comments.
	One of the video comments today couldn't be played because of defamation laws.
	So keep in mind, when you make these, we can't break the law.
	So don't.
	Make us...
	We are a publisher and we have to take editorial action on that ground, in fact.
	Yeah.
	So, let's play the first one.
	Hi, guys.
	While living with my parents at home, I have recently started online college.
	After coming out as super straight, my mother has since realized that she has secretly been Asian all her life.
	Yeah.
	And as such, is now transracially Asian.
	Now my question for you.
	Am I half Asian?
	Well, I mean, if all it takes to become a woman is identifying as a woman, and if your mother, therefore, by that same process of logic, all it takes to become an Asian is identifying as an Asian, then how is it that you wouldn't be an Asian, or at least half Asian?
	But I suppose they wouldn't believe in that last part there.
	You'd have to also say, well, it's also up to you to identify as you wish, racially, because we accept that transracialism is a thing.
	Sure.
	Well then, it's up to you, I guess.
	I mean, technically, from the left-wing position, all of this is up to you.
	It's such obvious nonsense.
	Yes.
	But, like, if you were to identify...
	If you were to accept her identity as an Asian person...
	And you accept that your heritage is drawn from your parents.
	Again, why this is controversial or even being discussed is beyond me.
	But let's assume that that's something that the left-wingers can get on board with.
	Then they would have to admit that you were Asian.
	How does this also work?
	So if you had a father and a mother, and then you grew up and whatnot, and then the dad was like, hang on, I'm trans, I'm a woman, and then identified as a woman, dressed like a woman, blah blah blah, would you then have two mummies?
	Yeah, and not only would you have two mothers, like Elliot Page, they would go back and retroactively change everything so you had always been female.
	So you would say that you were birthed by two mums and no one else involved?
	Raised by two mums.
	It's just that one of them didn't know they were a female at the time and so presented as male.
	But now we know and so we have to go back and always refer to them in that time period as being a woman.
	Obviously sane people.
	Obviously sane people.
	And incidentally, this is exactly what the party would do in 1984, which is going to be one of the next book club we do will be on 1984 because it falls very neatly as a sequel to the one on Brave New World.
	And we can do a bit of comparison between them because they were writing in the same era about the same subjects and they had correspondence with each other.
	So it's worth us going over.
	Let's go to the next video.
	Watching Vosh's moral idiocy has led me to realize the importance of social trust and the danger of just trust the experts.
	Nowadays, the experts adopt a philosophy of social planning and consequentialism.
	The ends justify the means, and so the integrity of the means no longer matters.
	If that is the case, though, why would we trust the experts to describe their ends or facts or consequences honestly if honesty itself is just a means to an end?
	We wouldn't.
	Well, yeah, by that standard, we wouldn't.
	But I think that the experts would challenge the framing of that and say that...
	They do value truth, but then they'd start attacking the very concept of what truth is.
	They'd start being said, well, truth is a personal thing, I've got my truth, you've got your truth, there's no objective truth, and they'd start going down that rabbit hole.
	But either way, I mean, anyone who is going to sit there and go, well, there is no objective truth, probably not worth having a discussion with them about.
	Yeah.
	Because they're just going to say anything you say is not true because of my feelings.
	My truth tells me that you're wrong.
	So...
	No discussion can be had there.
	Yeah.
	Just want to mention as well, before we started the show, we were talking about our Robert Conquest book.
	There's a section there in which a Marxist historian is talking to some show host, and they just found out about Stalin's crimes, like they've all been released into the Western world.
	And he puts to the Marxist historian, it's like, well, if you were there and you knew all of this, would you have carried on anyway?
	And would it be justified?
	And the Marxist just like pauses for a second and goes, yeah, it would be.
	He's like, well, how can you say any of that?
	They're murdering tens of thousands of people and all the rest of it.
	Millions.
	And he just says, well, because in the USSR they were working for Utopia, so if you have to kill 10 million people to get to Utopia, well it would still be worth it because you've had Utopia forever.
	And the show host is just like, what is wrong with you?
	You just said that on national TV. The Marxist position is we will kill as many of you as it takes, provided there was a chance of us getting to Utopia.
	I mean, that was literally what Mao said.
	It doesn't matter if half the world dies if the rest of the world is socialist.
	That's what you're dealing with.
	Yeah, that's what you're dealing with.
	When you get the same kind of arguments from this day at this time, that's where they will end up going.
	Let's go for the next video.
	The TZ makes a sound in Hebrew, and I can tell you that Sacha Baron Cohen is not a Tzadik, because it's defined as...
	A person who is overly righteous within the morals of Judaism, which, honestly, I feel like Sacha Baron Cohen has not thought about since his own bar mitzvah.
	And I can say that I have because I learn complex Judaic texts on a daily basis.
	And yes, it makes me incredibly mad that someone would refer to someone who is obviously a grifter that way.
	I really enjoyed that video.
	And I was expecting there to be someone Jewish in our audience who's like, that guy is not.
	That guy!
	No way!
	Because that's a station that Jonathan Greenblatt is assigning to Sacha Baron Cohen.
	A saint in Christianity.
	If it was literally Saint Ricky Gervais or something, you'd be like, look, I don't even dislike Ricky Gervais, but he's not a saint.
	Or To be honest, I don't know why he couldn't.
	I mean, if Mother Teresa can get one...
	Okay, the point is, if you're a devout Christian, you're not going to want someone like Sacha Baron Cohen to be treated as if he's a saint.
	And obviously, Zadok or whatever it is in Judaism is a very similar designation.
	And I'm not surprised at all that we've got Jewish people subscribed.
	People are just like, no, not even.
	This guy is not part of the Holy Text.
	He's not something to be praised.
	No, not even.
	This guy's disgusting.
	So, yeah, I just want to say I really, really enjoyed that video coming.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Nice shirt.
	Do you like my t-shirt?
	I do.
	Morning, guys.
	What you think of the vaccine passports, because I mean, well, the COVID status passports that are obviously very different from the passports because I mean, I don't know why we're following the example of Mao's China.
	I think it's embarrassing, to be honest, that any news agency is citing China as an example.
	Thanks, guys.
	I think we covered it earlier.
	Strongly against.
	Hate it.
	One of the embarrassing things is, like, you see Keir Starmer saying it's un-British.
	Yeah.
	The Labour Party's going to fight against it.
	Like, you're really going to make me vote Labour?
	Really?
	But you guys hate Britain.
	It's like, the guys who...
	I mean, there's an endless number of crimes we can put to the Labour Party, but if they start becoming the Party of Freedom, it's like...
	God.
	Well, okay.
	I mean, bizarro world, but fine.
	Well, the question is, how did the Liberal Democrats drop the ball so badly that the Labour Party, the party of socialists, become the party of freedom?
	I know, right?
	How badly, like, oh man, watching Ed Davies going, well, what about ancient liberties?
	It's like, you don't believe in any of that.
	Shut up.
	I mean, even when we run the, what was it, the Count Dankula writing campaign, like, half of the Lib Dems we wrote to just wrote back and was like, nah, screw Count Dankula.
	He was offensive.
	Literally, he was offensive.
	It was like, You're a liberal.
	Democrat.
	What?
	Okay.
	There's no brain.
	There's no light switch.
	They don't get it.
	And when we were on the MEP campaign, I remember speaking to one and they were like, well, I support free speech but not hate speech.
	I was like, you don't support free speech.
	There you go.
	Free speech is for people who say things you don't like.
	And they were like, well, no, I don't think so.
	They said, well, then you're not a liberal.
	You're a Labour voter.
	What are you doing?
	You know, go away.
	I suppose they are.
	They are in the party of, essentially, socialism.
	Basically, yes.
	Because that's all we have in opposition to the Conservatives, and now the Conservatives have become fucking socialists.
	Oh, fuck's sake.
	British politics is a mess.
	Yeah, it is.
	Let's go for the next video.
	Hey guys, as I've stated before, I am a photographer, and so here I have a small selection of photographs that I lovingly picked from my collection that I thought you might find interesting, whether for the story they contain or the aesthetics, or as all photographs are, some combination of the two.
	If there's anything here that tickles your fancy, I would be honored to gift a print to the Lotus Eaters as a token of my gratitude for the years of hard work I've been appreciating.
	If you would like, let me know how I can do that and...
	Ooh.
	How did that get in there?
	Oh, better talk to my secretary.
	Sense of the haram image.
	Some good photos, though, though.
	Very impressive.
	If you want to get them, I guess we can use more article images and stuff.
	Sure.
	You'd have to email what would be contact at lotuseaters.com.
	Yeah, contactlotuses.com and then we'd be able to talk to you that way, I suppose.
	Yeah.
	Do we have any more video comments?
	No.
	No?
	Okay, so let me go to the written comments.
	You want to read?
	Yeah, I'll read.
	Danny Morgan says, You're in the wrong chairs.
	This is clearly a triggering activity.
	Safe space.
	Yeah, I know, right?
	I thought Callum did such a good job hosting the podcast yesterday with Helen Dale that he can host it regularly.
	I feel like this is a punishment.
	What?
	It's a reward.
	Okay.
	It's a reward for your success.
	Look at me, I'm the Captain No.
	Exactly.
	I was thinking about this meme yesterday before I went to bed.
	better yeah Callum's gonna do that.
	Nassili Kolia: "Boris's problem is that he's too easily pressured by the media.
	Had it not been for their genuflecting and overblowing of all of his earlier decisions as letting people die, I'm sure he would have stuck to his original plan of developing herd immunity.
	He just needs to ignore them because in their eyes everything he does will be wrong." I mean you're completely correct.
	The media are the enemy of the people.
	It's the best Trump quote there is.
	Yeah, because it's just absolutely true.
	The media have realised that they have power, like, direct power.
	And they have realised that they can essentially kind of unionise as a class against not only the politicians but the people themselves and act as an intermediary between the two.
	And you can very, very clearly see this in Boris's response with the coronavirus vaccine.
	His initial instinct was probably the right one.
	We don't need to lock down.
	We'll just sequester the elderly and do the best that we can and try and weather it.
	That's the best you could have done.
	Anyway, in the case of vaccine passports and pubs, don't forget that it basically means half of the staff won't be able to work at my pub.
	Almost all of us are under 40, so that would mean we'd probably be forced to get one or just not come to work.
	Yeah, it's...
	Someone mentioned that earlier, I'm not sure how it would work, because if we're opening back up, surely you can bring your staff in who haven't been vaccinated, because it's not a requirement that the staff be vaccinated, but just the patrons, but in which case you would have, you know, because most people working in Weatherspoons, for example, sort of young guys, and then they're working their shift, they're pouring the drinks, they're making the food in the back, and then as soon as their shift ends, they have to leave the pub, because they're not permitted to be in the pub.
	That's mad.
	It's crazy, isn't it?
	What are you doing, Boris?
	Because the drinking age is 40.
	I'm a conservative.
	Conservative manifesto raised the drinking age to 40.
	Now do it with the voting age, I guess.
	Yeah, I guess so.
	If that's the way we're going.
	Mr.
	Winter says, COVID passports will seal the destruction of pubs.
	Yeah, as if Tony Blair's smoking ban in pubs did enough damage.
	But pubs got by and recovered from this, and now you're not allowed to drink in a pub if you're below a certain age.
	It's awful.
	Young people will have house parties instead of going to an overpriced bar with restricted capacity.
	It means jobs, businesses, and the unique...
	of socializing will be destroyed.
	We businesses need to say no.
	Who is John Galt?
	Yeah.
	Angel Brain says, I've had enough of this.
	I've played along with the pantomime for the last year, but this is beyond the pale.
	I won't get the vaccine as I've never had the flu, so I don't want to volunteer for my first bout.
	I'm not showing ID to buy a net of Babybel from Tesco's.
	I've been patient up until now, but they're raising myire.
	I refuse to be ruled by tyranny.
	Yes, this is a hill I will die on.
	Luke West says, I won't take the vaccine.
	This is not medical advice.
	This is moral advice.
	I can remain autistic longer than they can remain tyrants.
	Wag.
	That's going to be the war cry.
	That is.
	Joseph Hibbert, when it comes to the vaccine, I don't think any scientist should be saying it's safe.
	What happens after two years once you take the vaccine?
	Literally no one knows.
	We can guess, but there aren't long-term studies almost mandatory for new drugs, and this one has been crapped out in a year.
	And that's the thing.
	I'm not even saying it doesn't cure COVID or anything like that.
	It seems to prevent it.
	It seems that the effect has been direct, in fact.
	But you don't know what the effect is going to be in the long term.
	Which is why I don't understand why the guy didn't just give the statistics.
	I mean, whenever you get medicine, you always get that big sheet.
	I don't know if you've ever read some of it.
	says the side effects and the percentage chance so it's like one in 250,000 people get nauseous one in 500,000 get diarrhea or something and then one in a million death I mean why would he not just say that there's this amount of chance of having something happen to you otherwise you're fine yeah I don't know Weird.
	Instead, he decided to act like a snake oil salesman and pack up and leave for the next village.
	I've got a story about a road.
	Yeah, it's just weird.
	It's such a weird response.
	I don't know why.
	You're not your scientist, mate.
	What are you...
	Yeah, but anyway, that old guy says, Carl, the vaccine passports for the pub will be fine.
	Virtually all people working in pubs are 50.
	Right, it's going to be fun when it kicks off outside and the geriatric bouncers have to get involved.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, the only people kicking off will be old people as well, so...
	Yeah.
	Tyler says, I've just emailed our local MP, Justin Tomlinson, he's the MP for Swindon North, asking what he's going to do against the vaccine passports, but I'm pretty black-pilled at this point.
	What else do you think we can do just to push back against this?
	Not cooperate is the first thing that springs to mind, but you're right, Justin Tomlinson probably isn't going to do anything because he's a kind of empty-suit careerist politician who just exists as the Conservative Party's MP for North Swindon.
	Robert Buckland's the MP for South Swindon.
	I don't think he's going to be any different.
	The MP for Wiltshire North, I can't remember his name offhand, but he's...
	He's based.
	Yeah, he was quite based.
	I might even know him, actually.
	In fact, I'm going to email him now.
	That's the irritating thing with the Conservatives as well.
	Like, Voltaire's Ghost pointed this out.
	They have, like, a handful of really good guys, and then it really, like, keeps you around.
	Like, you can't just say, screw them, because they do have a bunch of good people in it.
	Yeah.
	But why are they never in charge?
	And when they do get in charge like Boris, why do they suddenly destroy themselves?
	Good question.
	There are lots of theories about this, because the Conservative Party, being like a 200-year-old institution, has got its own kind of deep state within it and things like this.
	And so, who knows, you know?
	But anyway, TfHalspark, I wonder if those who won't take the vaccine were made to wear an armband with a symbol to show they are impure to the infantile masses.
	Maybe a star or something.
	Also, if Jordan Peterson becomes the Red Skull, then hail Hydra, I guess.
	I mean, yeah.
	I mean, if the Red Skull is going to become a classically liberal conservative who teaches personal responsibility, then how's he wrong?
	That's all I'm saying.
	What did Hydra do wrong, really?
	Paul Wilkinson.
	A pandemic so bad that an additional 77 million people have been added to the world's population since it began.
	The entire thing is a massive power grab.
	There is certainly a power grab going on.
	It's not that I think the COVID isn't real either.
	I just think it's been dramatically overstated.
	That's the thing.
	Yeah.
	It was like for Gibraltar, I think they've actually got to pretty much almost 100% vaccinated or something now.
	Like ridiculously well, Gibraltar being extremely wealthy and therefore worth getting back online.
	Like 0.2% of the population died throughout the whole virus.
	And that's died within 28 days of a positive test.
	Yeah.
	That's not died from the virus, because we don't know who died from the virus, really.
	We just know that they tested positive within 28 days.
	I know it's a microstate and all, but it's a good example of just like, was this worth it?
	Really?
	I mean, how much damage has been done to Gibraltar's economy?
	I don't know off the top of my head, but...
	Well, probably quite a lot.
	I mean, there was a lot of damage to just the world economy from this.
	Yeah.
	So they're undoubtedly suffering in some ways.
	I mean, if you're willing to accept 0.2, 0.4, 0.6, I mean, where do you actually draw the line and say we need to destroy the world's economy?
	Oh my god, it's not 0.4.
	Quick, shut everything down.
	It's doubled.
	100% increase in COVID deaths.
	It's certainly not world-ending.
	No, not even slightly.
	And yet we're still in lockdown.
	Anyway, Christopher says, Do you think the UK government will eventually give up the emergency COVID powers?
	No.
	When do governments ever give up their emergency powers?
	I mean, the US still has the Patriot Act, doesn't it?
	Roman dictators?
	What, give up their emergency powers?
	Not since Caesar!
	But that's the thing, the ones that were made dictator and then they gave it up.
	Yeah, starting with Sulla and moving on.
	About it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And so you've got 500 years of the Roman Empire where it's just the dictator is in charge.
	They don't give it up.
	And the ones that do, the ones that do, like, there are two, I think one of them being Cincinnati's, and their names go down in history as legendary lovers of liberty and patriotism, and that's, you know, they get cities named after them and stuff like that, Cincinnati is named after them.
	And that's what Boris could be.
	He could.
	If he turns around and is just like, get rid of this, get rid of that, also expand freedom to where it wasn't before, he would be loved.
	He would go down in history.
	Oh yeah, I'd be singing his praises.
	You'd be doing a great job, Boris.
	So if he wants to reverse his public image, I mean, that would be it.
	Yeah.
	Will he?
	Anyway, speaking to my colleague in Poland, they believe the UK will be fine since we have the long history of prioritising liberty and accountability.
	Yeah, right.
	I mean, we did.
	We did once.
	He was less positive on Poland's chances post-COVID. Also, my Polish colleague didn't know anyone who'd received a vaccine or pro-Brexit examples.
	Mike says,
	Yeah, I personally have got no intention of getting the vaccine because I've had COVID. You've probably had COVID. Yeah, I'll still have to get it though because I want to go abroad and it'll be a requirement.
	Although that is a good point about the NHS, it effectively becoming the COVID health service.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there was a story the other day about a rash of cancer operations that were going on.
	Now that the COVID problem is over, loads of people need really important cancer operations because a bunch of them have already died from not getting the treatment.
	I hope it was worth it.
	Yeah, that was, yeah, well, the surveys of 8,000 people and apparently 68% were like, yeah, this is a good idea, going up depending on the question was asked.
	Well, it's the same here and everywhere, obviously.
	Would suggest that people reject vaccine passports as this is a mechanism for movement to the Chinese social credit score.
	Agreed.
	Also, does anyone else think it's weird that it takes longer to get through university than a prison sentence for a child rape and trafficking?
	Yes.
	Yes, we do.
	Lee says, I don't understand why anyone who isn't in the vulnerable group should have to be vaccinated, especially considering how many people have caught and recovered from the virus already.
	Why get vaccinated for a disease you've already recovered from?
	A waste of money.
	Yeah, it's a really good question, isn't it?
	And then, like, kids.
	Like...
	Fauci was going on about vaccinating kids.
	It's like, why?
	Unless you're being paid by AstraZeneca or Pfizer, why would you suggest that?
	Also the masks on kids.
	Like, why?
	You saw always the Spirit Airlines.
	They had like a two-year-old that was eating and didn't have a mask on because, you know, it's eating.
	And they kicked the whole family off.
	Yeah, the entire airplane was deplaned.
	Because a two-year-old wasn't wearing a mask while it ate.
	Yeah.
	The kid isn't killing anyone.
	Yeah.
	There's literally nobody.
	Yeah.
	Most of the people I know are either in favour of the vaccine passports or don't care because it means they can go out, says Jack.
	The fight has left the British public.
	Yeah, I believe it.
	I mean, I don't know anyone in favour of it, but I can totally believe that people just...
	We'll just get on with it.
	Anyway, Ignacio says, I don't understand why Westerners are so soft with foreign offenders because we're so unbelievably left-wing.
	That's why.
	And everything about the left-wing is devaluing what the positives are on your side of the issue and then moving the value to the other side of the issue where the offenders are.
	And saying, yeah, but they're actually the victims of the system.
	They're victims of their own system.
	They're the victims.
	And actually, you're oppressing them.
	So what you need to do is give them everything they're asked for and let them in and let them do whatever they're doing because that's just their culture and it's the way that you can be absolved of your sin of having a better system than them.
	That's why.
	And it's all of left-wing politics.
	Every time the left-wing goes, oh, but my out-group, my out-group, my out-group, it's on those bases.
	And you know what?
	Every single one of these out-groups, bad people.
	End of story.
	I mean, pedophiles.
	Will someone please think of the poor oppressed pedophiles?
	No.
	No, get in the wood chipper with him.
	Look at Bolsonaro in Brazil, where he's like, but you're trying to take away guns from the population, and whenever a cop is shot or goes to deal with gangs, you all side with the gang members.
	But there's a human being in the suit of the police officer who's trying to do the right thing, who's trying to actually defend the people in society who are cooperating with the law, and you're siding with the gang members.
	This was so bad in Brazil that Bolsonaro won.
	And it's like, how bad does it have to be?
	Don't get me wrong.
	Campaigning on the issue of safety and being stabbed while campaigning.
	Yes, by a radical leftist.
	But every time they side with the terrible, terrible people, and I hate it.
	Anyway, we should start giving them one or two outs.
	Either they ask for the mercy of their country of origin and ask to get repatriated or go to get a death sentence if the crime is severe enough or a work camp to fund their own deportation.
	Also, keto is the new vegan.
	Fight me, eat the bread, commie.
	Listen...
	A. Keto is not the new vegan, because I can eat lots of meat, and that means I'm not wasting away.
	And I will defeat you slow sugar eaters any day of the week.
	Honestly, after quitting sugar, I just feel great.
	I just feel fantastic.
	I will easily outfight you.
	Josh says, the second story really hit me.
	How can we get the government to realize that these people deserve to be hit with the full extent of the law?
	Repeat offenders is extremely high.
	Not only does it affect the kids, but it affects the families of the kid and the family of the pedos.
	I believe the reason it still happens is solely because we don't punish them harder.
	Yeah, because they're effectively, when we take a light touch on issues like this, what you're saying is, I actually don't care about that.
	And this is why, like, you know, the police, if you're caught with weed in Britain, the police may well just take it off you and just tell you to go on your way, right?
	And, I mean, I remember when I was a kid, we were smoking some weed in a park, and the police just came along and didn't care and didn't even take the weed off us, right?
	And that is an indication from the state that says, we don't care about this issue.
	You know, this is kind of a legacy issue.
	And if...
	Unenforced laws.
	Unenforced laws.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And if you are somehow ending up raping children, and the state's like, well, we'll give you two and a half years in jail.
	And that's it.
	It's tacit approval.
	It is tacit approval.
	I do want to be fair to Priti Patel.
	She is changing the law there.
	I haven't seen any evidence that her or the Home Office officials on her side of this want this to continue.
	They do seem to want to change things.
	Well, you say that, but was it Philip Putnam's Home Office that she bullied him out of?
	Yeah, that's why I said people on her side of it.
	Yeah.
	On the other side of it, people are like, oh no, how dare she come in here and demand that we do things?
	It's like, yes, you're the home office.
	You deal with child rapists.
	Yeah.
	Like, you're not the social care department that deals with, I don't know, like kindergarten or something.
	Yeah.
	Like, this isn't a small issue.
	No.
	And being soft and left-wing and sympathetic to the offenders is not appropriate in this example.
	It's just not appropriate.
	Ultrasen says, excuse me, trafficking has a lesser sentence than rape?
	What the hell?
	Yeah, it's mad.
	It's absolutely madhouse.
	And you can thank Tony Blair.
	Anyway, Chris Wolfe says, if the communists hadn't attacked Jordan Peterson, I wouldn't have cleaned my room and I wouldn't be here.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The Red Skull says, clean your room, bucko.
	You know, tell the truth, bucko.
	Just...
	Oh dear, the Red Skull's such a terrible guy.
	Am I a bad guy saying I'd actually love Jordan Peterson to play the Red Skull in the next Marvel movie featuring him as the villain?
	I would actually love the movie to see where the villain of the movie actually makes more sense than the heroes.
	Well, the thing is, the way that the radical left is going, that's inevitable.
	If the Red Skull continues saying based and red-pilled things that actually are true and correct and morally right, then...
	It turns out that it's Red Skull that's the hero.
	No wonder Captain America said Hail Hydra.
	Danish Minister of Justice has calculated how much it costs each day to have the Danes quick tested for COVID. The answer is 50 to 100 million krona a day, or in British pounds, it's 5 million.
	5 to 11 million pounds a day.
	In a country where nearly 6 million people live, that's a lot of tax money and cuts in welfare needed to pay for that.
	Well, I mean, as long as we can cut welfare, I suppose.
	If Jordan Peterson is the Red Skull, would this make Andy know the Mandarin?
	I'm not sure I'm allowed to make a comment on that.
	I think people are misreading the Captain America situation.
	It's not that Peterson is the Red Skull, it's now that Captain America is now a fascist.
	Well, as I said, I think it's actually because the position of the conservative, liberal and...
	The fascists have harmonized because of the distance and perspective of the communists who are writing the story.
	Our chat has been filled with Hail Hydra, by the way.
	That's fine, because Hydra is promoting personal responsibility.
	Cleaning one's room.
	And the funny thing is as well, right, if I was the one writing the Captain America stories, I would doubtless be so far from being a communist and a fascist that I would essentially have them as being the same perspective as well.
	So, you know, Red Skull would be saying trans rights if I was writing it.
	And, you know, they'd all be like, yeah, yeah, Red Skull says trans rights.
	Oh, that makes them a goody now.
	That's what they'd be saying.
	Anyway, Jordan Peterson is really putting in perspective how morally challenged Marvel is, thinking take responsibility equals Nazi, but a hero mind-controlling 3,000 people is a victim, apparently.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, Red Skull says trans rights.
	It's either that or Red Skull says tidy your run.
	Anyway...
	A couple more questions.
	Evan says, Yeah, my wife's so sick of hearing it.
	it.
	I'm glad we can get to do this.
	Nicholas Maddelson says, Hi folks, sorry for not commenting for a while.
	I've just returned to the office last week, so I'll now work from home and go to the office occasionally, just to change the scenery.
	I haven't watched the most recent episodes, which I will catch up with today, hopefully especially the Brave New World episode, which I was waiting for.
	Yeah, the Helen Dale podcast that I did with Helen is going to go up in It's a really good one.
	Really good one.
	Because I'm trying to find ways to get conservatives to sort of move in a certain direction against the left and do something that's effective.
	And I think we've actually hit on something that might work.
	And yeah, all real in the Hellandale podcast.
	I should say that's going up at 3pm today.
	Yes, 3pm today.
	The Brave New World one, of course, is up, and we've been getting a huge amount of praise for it, so thank you.
	We're glad you enjoyed it.
	Anyway, the question I have is related to my experience with returning to the office.
	How did you feel when you started working outside home again after a long lockdown period?
	Happy belated Easter and stay awesome.
	Well, we've had the office open since the conception of the office.
	We hadn't...
	Well, for the first lockdown, we'd always kind of worked from home before when we worked together.
	But then the office was a new thing after the first lockdown.
	So we did get that sensation.
	To be honest, it was nice to have somewhere to go.
	Yeah.
	I'm glad I'm not just stuck at home all day like my wife.
	I feel bad for them.
	And my wife's got a nice-sized house.
	Imagine if you're in a two-bedroom flat or something with a bunch of kids in a council estate.
	It must have been hell.
	It must have been absolute hell.
	I just can't get over how awful it is.
	And just everyone's just put up with it.
	Anyway, Robert Cotmore, the last one.
	Hey, first time catch you live on the new website.
	From the Father's Colony, I say unto you, how do we reconcile conquest in past eras with modern multicultural societies?
	This country was not conquered.
	It came into existence via treaty.
	The Treaty of Waitangi.
	Waitangi?
	When the Maori tribes agreed to the rule of British Empire, some people in my country say the treaty and what followed as a conquest.
	That was in 1840.
	When do people belong to a place?
	Am I a New Zealander or a European New Zealander?
	My family has been here for eight generations.
	If not already, when does this become my homeland?
	To me, it already is.
	Is there some magic number when the conquest of a land becomes legitimate?
	How do people become tied to a land?
	Cheers.
	That's a really interesting question that we're not going to be able to answer now because the answer to it is going to take a long time.
	But it is something that I'm kind of working on.
	I'm kind of working on a theory about how we can do this.
	Because essentially, by any metric that they would be able to say that you personally...
	John's base take there.
	John types on his notepad and then puts it on the display screen.
	And John's opinion is, if you conquered it, day one!
	Exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark!
	But what I was going to say is any metric that they would try to delegitimize your claim to having New Zealand as your homeland, as I said, eight generations.
	So if it's like 20 years a generation, we're to 160 years.
	If that's not long enough, then none of the recent arrivals in Britain can consider Britain their own homeland.
	Which delegitimizes all of the immigrants to our country.
	But also, if it's like, okay, well, it has to go back to X amount of time, then you can look at the Maori who arrived in New Zealand in the 14th century.
	You know, I mean, by that point, England was nearly a thousand years old.
	So if they don't have...
	In England, people say, ah, but the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany, therefore you're not really from here.
	It's like, well, if we're not really from England, then the Maori certainly aren't really from New Zealand!
	And so this is the point.
	There is no hard and fast line, and...
	And honestly, I think John's probably the right one about this.
	It's like, yeah, if you conquered it, it's just the second you conquered it, isn't it?
	Yeah, exactly.
	You paid the iron price.
	Basically, it's hard to disagree with.
	So who's going to argue with you?
	You've just won.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	We'll have another argument about it if you want.
	But that's the point.
	Any standard that they set undoes every other standard that they would try and cling to with people on their own side.
	And so this is something I'm going to do more work on, though, because I think it is something that would deserve a bit of a good treatment on its own.
	But anyway...
	Do you see there are people saying, if they started a petition about getting rid of Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003, would we promote it?
	Yes.
	Yes, without question.
	We've been campaigning against that for years now.
	Yeah.
	I think there was one petition made on this, but it was, not to be too critical, but it was kind of badly worded.
	It was in response to the Count Dankula case, and it was get rid of hate speech laws or something like this.
	If we can specify the legislation, that would be a better petition, in my view, because it would get to the root of the issue much better.
	If you want to write a petition and then The guy's setting it up.
	I'll sign it.
	We'll propel it.
	Good.
	Yeah, it's a great idea.
	As for the show, we are out of time, so we are going off.
	The interview with Helen Dale, with you and Helen, is at 3pm going up on loadedseeders.com, and we should see you tomorrow, 1pm, right?
	Every single day.
	Every single day.
	Every single work day.
	For 105 episodes, it's been 1pm, and now you're asking me...
	No, because we did that 1 at 12, and then the times changed as well, because of daylight savings.
	But 1pm UK time.
	1pm UK time.
	Let the foreigners figure it out on the road.
	That's their problem.
	Exactly.
	I suppose so.
	See you tomorrow.

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