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	Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Seaters for Wednesday the 2nd of December 2020.
	Sorry that we couldn't be with you yesterday.
	We had a power outage and the entire building was essentially out.
	So that was rather frustrating, but we're back.
	We're going to do yesterday's podcast now, and we will be back again today at 1 p.m. UK time to do today's podcast because we're diligent that way.
	Also, you may have noticed that the website loadseaters.com is up.
	However, at the moment, if you sign up, your confirmation email won't come through.
	I believe that the account still works, though, but you don't feel obliged to try for the moment because we're still sorting it out.
	But you can go and read stuff and check out what we've got if you'd like.
	So go ahead.
	But anyway, in the meantime, we're going to be talking about what France is, and not just France, but continental Europe is doing regarding political Islam, which is the politically correct way to phrase it, I have been informed.
	Should jihadists be allowed to return to the UK and the current state of the coronavirus tyranny in the UK as well?
	So Callum, what's going on on the continent?
	Not sure how to describe it.
	I think the best way is just saying cracking down on political Islam.
	Right.
	Because that's how they're describing it.
	This is the conservatives and the...
	You're taking the official government line here.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Which is probably...
	That wasn't what we were meant to be doing.
	Go on.
	It's the best way to be on YouTube.
	That's true.
	That is true.
	Anyway, so this story was written yesterday.
	I don't know when they're meeting specifically because it doesn't mention, but we covered previously that the imams of France are being asked by Macron to sign up to a charter of republican values, and it was pretty overreaching in his demands, but they've been called in to actually do this.
	In their defence though, you can see why they want such a thing because France is kind of like America actually in the fact that it's a very ideological state founded on a revolution.
	And so there is a, you know, the rights of man and citizen that the entire thing is meant to be based on for the sort of like French Republic.
	So you can see why they're going to demand, like, you come here, you become French, and therefore you have to sign up to these values, because it is actually a values-driven system.
	It's not just a sort of natural, organic system that evolved.
	So in their defense, I can see why they would want to do such a thing, which is probably the only time I'm going to defend the French, so please carry on.
	So this is one of the interesting things about Europe's immigration policy that Douglas Murray talks about.
	The fact that we all agreed, well, we all assumed that the people would come here because they want to come here and therefore would want to be like us and therefore they would adopt our values, which France has over the last, god, 50 years now has finally realized, no, that is not why people come.
	A lot of people come just for the money.
	They're not interested in your values.
	So, with the massive rise in terrorist attacks, failures of integration, all the rest of it, what's quite interesting is they seem to agree, at least these imams who are in charge of the council.
	So, this is a spokesman for the council giving a statement about the charter.
	We do not all agree on what this charter of values is and will contain, We are at a historic turning point for Islam in France, and we Muslims are facing our responsibilities.
	Wow, that's very interesting.
	Yeah, it's very interesting that he phrases it as our responsibilities.
	We have something we need to do here, which is integrate our flock.
	Are you in any way familiar with the history of Islam in France?
	No, I'm not.
	Most of it involves the sword.
	Okay, I'm thinking, how far back do you want to go?
	When the Muslims first invaded, you could go back to there.
	That would be the beginning of Islam in France.
	And then they got kicked out by one mayor of the palace called Charles Martel.
	A famous Battle of Tours, where the Franks were like a bulwark of ice, according to the Muslim chroniclers.
	I really enjoy this sort of time period.
	It's really awesome, though, because at the time, the Muslims were incredibly powerful.
	It was a North African caliphate that kind of splintered off from the main one.
	But they had like 80,000 men, and they were the premier military force in the world at the time.
	And so when they were defeated by the Franks, who they thought were just a bunch of backwards barbarians, they suddenly had to reckon that actually there was a great empire in Europe, which is the Carolingian Empire.
	And luckily they had some competent generals.
	But sorry, I won't go off on a...
	I mean, it's after conquering 90% of Spain, so...
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, they'd conquered up to Marseille, I think it was.
	And they'd occupied cities as well.
	It wasn't just raids.
	They were occupying cities.
	But the point is, after the reconquista begins, then you have 400 years of crusades, mainly the French going over to the Middle East and fighting Islam for Christianity.
	So there is quite a complex history of Islam and Catholicism.
	I don't know how much that relates to the modern situation.
	I imagine it's more about the Algerian colonization.
	I imagine that it is.
	It's just, you know, it's a very interesting question about what Muslims have to think about when they are thinking in terms of religion and France.
	That's all I'm saying.
	It doesn't go off on the right foot, to begin with.
	No.
	I mean, I actually went on holiday to Spain a couple of years back, and we went around to a bunch of places, and most of Spanish history is Spanish people killing Muslims.
	Because that's what happened for hundreds of years.
	So it's not very politically correct art on the walls, and it makes you wonder how they get along with modern leftism.
	It's exactly the same in Austria.
	You go to their museums and they're open about it.
	Well, that's what happened.
	You were besieged repeatedly by a giant Muslim empire.
	Anyway, so going back to this chap, so he's given a statement that he thinks that they have responsibilities to actually try and convert the flock to being French, which is an omission as well, which is interesting.
	But he says previously he never thought like this.
	It's very recently that he's actually come around to agreeing with the French authorities.
	So he's speaking of an attack that happened on Sarkozy and his response.
	So former French President Sarkozy got me out of bed at 5am to talk about it.
	He remembers.
	I told him, his name may be Mohammed, but he's a criminal.
	I didn't want to make the connection between that crime and my religion, this terrorist attack.
	Today, I do.
	The imams of France have work to do.
	So they're accepting that, yes, these people carrying out these terrorist attacks at least gets their motives from Islam, the Quran, and all the rest of it.
	All right, that's excellent.
	That's an excellent step forward.
	That we can actually say, yes, all the people yelling Allahu Akbar and blowing themselves up aren't doing it for secular reasons.
	Yeah, I mean, I imagine a lot of the audience will be like, come on, duh.
	But this is the point by Douglas Murray.
	Societies move at the rate of the slowest kid in the classroom.
	Yeah.
	And for at least two decades now, we've endlessly heard nothing to do with Islam.
	Yeah.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	And now, at least in France, they've got to the point where the top imams are admitting, yes, this comes from Islam and we need to solve it, because no one else can.
	They've got to the David Wood point, haven't they?
	Yeah.
	What do all these Mohammeds have in common?
	But that's what's going on there.
	So that's good news, at least, that they are accepting we have something to solve.
	But one of the interesting quotes from this article was they were talking about a...
	I suppose you could call a reformist Muslim who they spoke to.
	Mm-hmm.
	So it's a woman who's a fashion designer, and she designs headscarves, and they don't cover all of the hair, so it's more liberal by Islamic standards.
	And because of this, she gets death threats from people in France, which there's that kind of people in France, I guess.
	So she's considered more of a reformist type, and she also convinced her entire family to vote for Macron in 2017.
	That aged poorly.
	Well, you've got this type of guy who's saying, okay, yeah, we agree, we need to do something.
	And you've got people like her who voted for Macron, because, you know, they're left-leaning and all the rest of it.
	And her response to this was, we feel like nothing we do, pay taxes, do national service, will be enough.
	You have to prove that you're really French.
	You have to eat pork, drink wine, and not wear the hijab, and wear miniskirts.
	Okay.
	That is what France is like.
	Yeah, I mean French culture is one of things that are not Islamic.
	Yep.
	So to become French in culture...
	Yep.
	That's the requirement, essentially.
	And she's hitting the nail on her head, but of course this is unacceptable to the Islamic types who say, well, we can't do that.
	I mean, you can argue that, you know, eating pork, maybe?
	I mean, because you get vegetarianism all the rest of it.
	Yeah, like eating and drinking stuff, fine.
	Yeah, but, you know, the hijab and the miniskirts thing, that's not wrong.
	Like, you have to become a liberal.
	I mean, even herself has to admit this because she's not doing the full Islamic coverings.
	But it's just interesting that the Macron supporters who voted for him now really regret it.
	But the thing is, I think it's not just the wearing of garb and the eating of food.
	I think it's obvious that there's a distinct lack of enthusiasm for the native French culture.
	And...
	Okay, you don't have to like French culture.
	I mean, who does outside of France?
	But I don't go and move there, you know?
	I don't move to France and then say, right, okay, I'm setting up my little English enclave where we're going to be flying English flags and we're going to be, you know, we're going to have red telephone boxes and, you know, we'll be polite to one another and not intrude too much on each other's time.
	You're going to take away all their mistresses.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm not going to enforce my kind of puritanical moral standards about monogamy on the French.
	The idea of, you know, you hear like Sharia patrols in London, and it's like the English patrols in Paris.
	You're like, oi, go back to your wife.
	Yeah, Jacques, this is not your wife.
	Again.
	But that's the point, isn't it?
	There was a speech given by the Egyptian Prime Minister from 2018 that I saw going around yesterday.
	I wish I'd got it up for this, actually.
	Where he is literally just addressing an audience, quite a large audience, and saying, look, the Europeans...
	In their countries have worked very hard to achieve a certain standard of living, and if you don't want to live like them, then why are you going there?
	And we could live like them here in our countries, but we have to change.
	And that's just true.
	These are just pretty blunt statements, but they are true statements.
	It's not fair to the people that you're imposing on when you go there that you demand that they adopt your culture.
	I mean, they didn't ask you to come, Why should they?
	But why should you adopt their culture?
	Well, you travel to their country.
	You want to live there.
	You've got to integrate.
	It's only fair.
	I mean, this is one of the points Douglas Murray makes in his book, Strange Death of Europe.
	You are a big Douglas Murray fanboy today, aren't you?
	I love Douglas Murray, so I make no apologies.
	But it's less true of France, but at least with Germany, it's partly the European nation's fault because they just did stupid things.
	So like the guest worker program, the idea you'd have Turks come over in the hundreds of thousands, do jobs, and then just go back home, and everyone would win economically because people are essentially fickle.
	And there'd be no connections, and it's just like, that's not true.
	So of course hundreds of thousands came, started families, and now live there with kids and all the rest of it.
	And that's not the fault of the Turks there, that's the fault of the Germans for being so stupid to think that, oh, they'll just come and then they'll go home.
	It's like, no, they're people, not goods.
	But with France, there is a higher standard on integration, so less true with them than this.
	But that doesn't seem to have gone particularly well.
	Yeah, yeah, well, that's why they're here.
	Yeah, sorry, I'll let you carry on.
	So they have one other quote from an imam of a mosque that's quite famous that's on the outskirts of Paris, and this guy's had to go into hiding because of the amount of death threats against him for being a reformist, which...
	Christ.
	I don't know of anywhere in the UK that's like this, where reformist imams are having to go into hiding, but this is the thing, this is where we're going to end up in ten odd years, because whatever happens in France demographically seems to happen in the UK about ten years later.
	Yeah, they are further along the curve than we are.
	Yeah.
	So his quote is, uh, we have to go the extra mile to show that we are well integrated and that we respect the law.
	This is the price we pay because of extremists.
	These young extremist people are time bombs.
	I think the imams are being a bit too nice to them.
	I'm sorry, who said this?
	So this is, uh, Hassan, foreign name, imam of Dracy Mosque on the outskirts of Paris.
	Okay, well, we disavow him for saying that, YouTube, just so you know.
	His views, not ours.
	Yeah.
	Jesus.
	But you can see that, I mean, I can't imagine this kind of conversation going on in the UK at all.
	Oh, God, no.
	And the fact that it's going on in France is quite interesting, because, like I say, this is where we're going to be in about ten years.
	Honestly, good on Macron for being able to actually have the fortitude to push this forward.
	Because, I mean, was it like 10 attacks they had this year?
	I think it was nine.
	Nine terror attacks they've had this year.
	I mean, that's a lot.
	And then there have been at least two retaliatory attacks where, you know, white French people have attacked Muslims for being Muslim in return.
	And it's like, right, okay, this is starting to spiral out of control.
	Something has to be done.
	And political correctness be damned.
	An honest conversation has to happen.
	I've heard people comparing this to the Troubles in Northern Ireland.
	Yeah.
	Very similar from what I'm looking at.
	Yeah, it looks like it.
	Religious war.
	But I'm not so sympathetic to Macron on this because it's quite interesting to see him do all this.
	But if we can get the first image, the French one, you can see that this is the polling for the presidential election coming in 2022.
	So that's two years away.
	The French one, please.
	Yeah.
	So, Le Pen at 25, Macron at 26 polling.
	This is just the most recent I got from, what do you call it?
	Real Clear Politics.
	Mm-hmm.
	And this is why I reckon...
	Can you please stop changing it?
	This is why I reckon he's saying all this.
	Because they're polling so close that he's upset that these attacks and this massive failure of integration is only going to help Le Pen go up in the polls.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, she's been pretty consistent, actually.
	Like Le Pen?
	Yeah.
	I mean, if I were Macron, I'd be very nervous with those margins.
	But okay, since the screen seems to want to keep changing, we'll move on.
	Yeah, we'll just put that down.
	But this is why I think what he's doing, what he's doing.
	Like these Macron supporters were saying, we all voted for Macron, I convinced my whole family to vote for him, and we now feel betrayed.
	He's sort of dumping them and trying to make sure that the pen can't pass him.
	So I'm not that enthusiastic about the man himself.
	Yeah, the thing is, there's always a part of me that hates resorting to this kind of, well, it's just a tactical manoeuvre sort of philosophy, because, like, I mean, everything everyone ever does is in some way in their own interests.
	I mean, we'll be like, oh, go sign up to our website because you'll get all this content.
	But also because we want to be able to eat next week.
	So anyone could cynically say, yeah, well, you just want to eat next week.
	That's true.
	But we're also going to work hard and see if we can provide you with a worthwhile product.
	And so Macron, he does want to get re-elected, obviously.
	He's a politician.
	But the thing is, I think that he is genuinely acting on a good faith assumption that there is a problem and this has to actually be solved.
	You know, so just being like, oh, it's cynical electioneering.
	Of course it is.
	But also, you know.
	If it was just him, I might agree.
	But we also had Sarkozy previously, who was all, there's nothing to do with Islam, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And then at the very end of his presidency, he just admitted multiculturalism in France has failed.
	Well, this is the same as Tony Blair.
	I mean, Tony Blair, to quote, he literally said, millions of Muslims are fundamentally incompatible with the modern world.
	Tony Blair.
	That was Tony Blair.
	2019.
	I think it was 2017 he said it.
	But, you know, he'd been out of office for a while and he'd been giving his talks, touring around giving talks and being like, yeah, guys, you know, sweating and kind of bleeding eyes and just being like, yeah, I made a terrible mistake.
	So, yes, you did.
	Of many.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	One of many, didn't you, Tony?
	But that's the thing.
	I might agree with you if it was just, oh, he's had an epiphany, but I don't believe that these people in power really care that much, and I'll try and demonstrate it.
	So the next article is from The Guardian, which is talking about Austria approving a headscarf bat, and this was a little while back, a year ago.
	So they made a law that was against face coverings that were religiously influenced, and then they made exemptions for Sikhs and Jewish headwear.
	Why?
	Because very clearly they were just going after Islam.
	Yeah, I mean, that looks like an insult, to be honest.
	Yeah, they wanted to wear the law some way and they just didn't care at the exceptions phase and were like, no, we're just going after Islam.
	I mean, I can totally agree with the law against religious clothing.
	You know, say, look, you wear secular clothing in public life, whatever like that.
	France, secular republic, boom, boom, boom.
	You can bang your fist and make a good argument for it.
	And because you are not specifically targeting one religion and you're not exempting others, it's very firm.
	It's very consistent.
	It's very difficult for anyone to disagree with it, other than saying, well, I think I should get special treatment.
	But if he's actually giving special treatment to two of the religions and not another one...
	Well, this is Austria.
	Oh, this is Austria.
	Sorry.
	But still, same principle applies.
	Maybe, but that was banning headscarves, so just the hijab.
	In primary schools, you can't...
	Right, okay.
	It's not even the face covering itself.
	And then they came out and banned the face covering as well, and said, right, we're not having that either.
	So they've always been more firm on this, but then the most recent thing is with this attack that happened, I think it was in Vienna, if you've seen the footage, the guy running around with an AK killed multiple people, injured like 40 people, just shooting police officers.
	And this guy had been in jail for terrorism offenses.
	says i think was trying to join isis and then they released him because he'd served his sentence so he just went out and committed terrorism in austria it was like well okay okay so the uh i can't remember his title i haven't written it down i think isn't he the prime minister anyway
	this is an official statement from the government saying that they're going to make political islam a criminal offense and then the reasoning here is in order to be able to take action against those who are not terrorists themselves, but to create the breeding ground for such.
	So the people who are not committing terrorism, but are Islamists, they think political Islam is a good idea, therefore they're the milieu in which you can create terrorists.
	Yeah.
	But that's essentially criminalizing an idea, political Islam, which is quite radical.
	Like, you would have not got this.
	Well, I think the first question that springs to mind is what is the distinction between Islam and political Islam?
	How are you drawing that boundary?
	Because I get the feeling that it's a pretty blurred boundary because Islam is a pretty damn political religion.
	So...
	Absolutely.
	I mean, I don't think for a second that guy doesn't know it.
	I think they're very much just like, we don't know what to do, so we're just going to say political Islam and move on.
	Which, it's the standard on YouTube as well, so I'm going to leave it there.
	Everyone at home knows.
	But this is the polling in Austria for different parties.
	So he's from the OVP, the People's Party there.
	The one that are dominating the rest.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But the thing I find interesting about this is in 2017 you can see the FPO, the Freedom Party, the dark blue line.
	They were polling and they eventually in 2017 formed a government with the light blue line.
	Right.
	And these are the kind of UKIP guys, you know, Le Pen's types, where they want to talk about Islam, Islamism, all the rest of it.
	They're not afraid of it.
	And in 2019, there was a scandal in which some journalists turned up.
	They claimed to be Russians, wanting to get him Russian money, and they secretly filmed the interaction with the Freedom Party guys.
	And then they released an edited version which made it look like he was trying to accept or getting involved in taking Russian money.
	And it destroyed the government.
	The coalition fell apart.
	This is what we were told about when we visited Germany, wasn't it?
	Yeah.
	It just wasn't true.
	You can read about it yourselves.
	But no one knew at the time because it was just the edited footage out.
	So the government collapsed.
	The Conservatives subsequently formed a coalition with the Green Party instead of the Freedom Party.
	Right.
	Austrian politics, don't ask me.
	Yeah.
	But then they took this to court and the full video was released showing that he did nothing wrong and repeatedly refused to take any money.
	Yeah.
	And literally expressly saying he didn't want to do anything illegal.
	Which...
	What more could you ask of a politician?
	There's a hilarious part in this, which is the guys who did this are actually tied to Soros funding, which of course they are.
	Yeah, of course they are.
	But the point here is you finally got...
	I don't know what you'd call it.
	Islamic...
	Populists?
	I don't even know.
	Just guys who were willing to take on political Islam into government.
	And then they were just taken down by a honey trap or a complete lie.
	Fake news?
	Yeah, complete fake news.
	It destroyed a government, which...
	Could you imagine if that happened in the United States?
	Unbelievable.
	Looks like it might be.
	Yeah.
	But this actually happened.
	But if you can look at the polling, I mean, that's the other part of this, where I feel like the Conservatives are trying to make sure these guys continue to stay out of office, where if anyone's going to gain politically from saying, look, there's a serious problem here, it's going to be these guys.
	And they're still polling, I think it was like 17% in the graph.
	If they can get that back up, they could probably end up in a coalition again.
	So, that's why I reckon the Conservatives are saying they're going to criminalise political Islam.
	And, you know, maybe you're not convinced because you said, you know, it's kind of cynical to just say it's just pure politics.
	But I want to talk about the UK, because the UK is where I think this falls down, which is that we have no minority party that talks about Islamic extremism or anything like this.
	All we've got is the Conservatives, and the Conservatives are the Conservatives.
	So...
	The first video I'm going to play is a video of Theresa May speaking at Tory party conference.
	I think it's before she became Prime Minister.
	And I just wanted your reaction on it Thank
	you The audio is gone Thank you.
	Okay, it's just me Can you hear it?
	Yeah I can hear it.
	okay it's just me that's back Okay, so we take Theresa May's point that she knows nothing about Islam.
	Well, no, her claim is that, you know, she reads the Quran, and that's her favourite Quranic verse, I guess.
	Yeah, she knows nothing about Islam, right.
	But then, you know, Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam, which...
	The Nazis weren't socialists, I guess.
	Yeah, but this was her before she became Prime Minister, and the reason we're using her is because Boris hasn't been in long enough to make a statement on a serious terrorist incident.
	There have been six since Finsbury Park Mosque, but they've not been big enough to make headlines.
	But what do you think of that?
	I mean, what does that make you think of?
	Well, what that is, is the political consensus that was designed to try and keep the peace and ensure that we were not being deliberately exclusionary, that we were being inclusive, that we made sure that we were showing the world and the Muslim community that we don't reject them on the basis that they have a particular religious belief.
	And so the hope was to be able to kind of annex the non-political Muslims into our traditional political systems, and presumably we would suppress the Islamists using whatever means we suppress, you know, various Nazi terrorist groups, assuming they exist, and communist terrorist groups and things like that.
	So we treat them in the same category.
	I can see why they did it.
	I can see why they tried it.
	But the thing is, I just think that they didn't know what they were talking about.
	And it's not true.
	Yeah.
	Well, here's the thing.
	She then became Prime Minister.
	And you'll remember the energy.
	So the next clip I'm going to show is a speech after which there were three terrorist attacks in the UK that were Islamist-inspired.
	Yeah.
	So the first one, a guy went down to Parliament, I believe is the one where he stabbed a police officer, killed him, and then they shot him.
	Hmm.
	And then we had a child go in with a suicide bomb and blow up how many kids it was in Manchester.
	A child went in?
	I thought he was 22.
	Was he 22?
	I thought he was 17 or something.
	Oh.
	I'll have to fact check.
	But the guy went in, blew up a bunch of kids, and then a bunch of guys go on London Bridge, run over people, stab them up.
	This was the narwhal tusk one, was it?
	No, that was a different one.
	That was afterwards, I believe.
	There have been so many.
	Yeah.
	Just losing count.
	But you think, after all this, it's the same kind of thing that's happening in France.
	Multiple terrorist incidents in which each one of them is Islamic-expired, and you can find out the history of each one of the guys who did it.
	This is the speech you gave if you can play the next clip.
	This is the speech you gave.
	This is the speech you gave.
	Yeah, this is the thing, right?
	So it's really insufferable watching a bunch of Western politicians talking about Islam because broadly they don't know anything about it.
	Very few of them are familiar with the history.
	Very few of them have actually read the materials.
	I mean, I've read the Quran.
	You can extract things from it that are very...
	I wonder if she knows about the two periods of Muhammad's preaching, the Mecca and the Medina periods, because they're just night and day.
	It's completely different ethos that he's promoting in each section.
	And you can see why.
	It's when he's weak and when he's powerful.
	So I just, it's insufferable to watch.
	And I can see why she's trying to rescue the dignity of Islam, because it's not like there can't be interpretations of it that are what she says.
	There can be interpretations of any religion, pretty much, that can be, you know, like a warlike religion or a peaceful religion, although some religions are Not all religions are the same, and some are more difficult to do that than others.
	But with Islam, it's quite easy to get a radical interpretation, or it's just as easy to choose the nice things that Muhammad said and then just commit to those.
	And that's fine, but you've got to admit that there's the distinction there, which at least she is doing.
	But do you believe Macron has any more Islamic knowledge than Theresa May?
	Yeah, Macron's got a degree in philosophy.
	I imagine he's read the Koran.
	To be honest, I don't buy it.
	I bet he doesn't.
	No, I think he actually does.
	I've been watching some of his speeches and stuff.
	He seems to actually know what he's talking about.
	Well, that's good to know.
	Yeah, it is good to know.
	But, I mean, it's worse for him.
	That's why he has to worry about it more.
	And...
	If only you know how bad things really are, literally.
	Yes, yes.
	The Conservatives can sweep things under the rug because of the way the politics happens here, but as we saw with Le Pen polling practically parallel to Macron, he doesn't have that luxury.
	Yeah.
	So if we can get the polling of the UK up.
	Like, no political party except maybe UKIP under Gerard Batten ever wanted to seriously talk about political extremism from Islam and the rest of it.
	To his credit, Nigel Farage has spoken about it a couple of times.
	You can see that peak there at the Brexit party.
	That was a period in which he wanted no discussion of it.
	And there's absolutely nothing.
	So this is what I'm trying to get at.
	Like, people say minority parties might be a bit of a waste and all the rest of it because you don't actually get into power.
	But you can see the effect it has.
	Because in the UK, there's absolutely no opposition that will ever talk about the fact that there's a serious problem here.
	And as a result, our politicians say it's got nothing to do with Islam.
	I mean, both of those parties, Conservative and Labour, are basically in agreement with the Great Reset.
	Yep.
	So, I mean, we just don't have...
	Same with the Lib Dems, SNP, Greens, White...
	The SNP and Greens and the Lib Dems are also leftist parties.
	So the Brexit party and UKIP are basically all that's left.
	So what I think has to happen is that Nigel Farage essentially has to draw in all of those discontents.
	You know, all of those people who have started their own sort of small parties and be like, look, we need an umbrella that everyone can be under...
	It can have coalitions or whatever.
	It can have factions, I guess, because it's bound to.
	But we need some sort of collective place where we can go and say, look, this is the sort of party for British values that wants to have those hard conversations.
	That has to happen.
	Because what I'm worried about is in 10 years from now, like France being 10 years behind, that we don't have a second big party.
	And then what?
	Then what?
	We're just going to pretend like nothing's happening as it gets worse and worse.
	I know.
	Boris certainly isn't making any statements about letterboxes anymore, is he?
	No.
	I thought about how to word this, but I was thinking about the fact that we had those three terrorist attacks and then Finsbury Park Mosque happened.
	And there was a lot of allegations that the guy had far-right links, maybe he'd been mentioning Tommy Robinson, and it all turned out to be a complete lie.
	The Tommy Robinson thing was made up by the mirror.
	And that's what worries me the most.
	When they looked into him, the thing that radicalised him was watching a BBC documentary about the grooming gangs, and then watching those three terrorist attacks happen, and everyone's response being, well, it's got nothing to do with Islam.
	And then he went out and committed a terrorist attack.
	It's like, not condone the guy, all the rest of it.
	Clearly an irrational thing to do to attack random people in the street.
	But it's predictable.
	That's a complete rando.
	That's not a political person.
	That's not a political actor.
	Yeah, and it was the same with the girls who stabbed the Muslim girls in Paris in front of the Eiffel Tower.
	They yelled something about Arabs, didn't they, and then stabbed them.
	I didn't know about that case too closely, so I don't know.
	I think it's still ongoing.
	Yeah, but the allegations that this is what happened.
	And you know that it's going to come from a position where they feel that the leadership is doing nothing and that what can be done?
	They're people who feel like they're being attacked.
	And of course, we don't agree.
	We totally, totally don't agree with any kind of violence.
	But that's not to say that it's not something that you wouldn't predict.
	I would predict a backlash.
	But the inability to accept that there are problems, I think, is going to drive more extremism.
	Yeah.
	Because what else?
	Yeah, it's going to radicalise...
	I mean, this is what the Christchurch attack was, is a radical response, you know, from, like, I guess what we call nativist forces, because it's not being talked about publicly.
	You know, it's not being addressed.
	And again, I totally disavow, don't agree with any attacks ever, obviously.
	But my God, man, you know, you can't pretend like there's going to be no consequences of constant terror attacks from Islamist, like, jihadis.
	And then everyone in authority is saying this has nothing to do with Islam.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	It's total denial.
	But anyway...
	Yeah, that's why we need a party in the UK. Yeah.
	Otherwise things are going to go bad.
	I don't know where we left off because we had super chats from yesterday before we started streaming.
	Okay, well let's just go through them quickly.
	Okay.
	Do you want to read them?
	Because you're better at reading them.
	Okay, go down a bit.
	Sorry.
	It's that one, I think.
	The Earl of Longford.
	Oh, right, yeah, okay.
	UK deep state not fond of the lads, says Earl of Longford.
	Yeah, it was definitely the UK deep state that took our power out.
	I've got no doubts in my mind.
	Marcus Cicero says, Reet lads, I'm off to work for cancellation for Everworks.
	This is what you get for closing out pits.
	Yes, again, many, many apologies.
	Thank you.
	Engmeer says, the AP has declared that CNN did not sabotage the Logistics.com powerlines.
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	Lambertus, Sargon is off to a funeral.
	Really was your way of insinuating that we would not return.
	Rip.
	No, I really was at a funeral, I'm afraid.
	MuteStream says, hi, Hugo.
	Oh, and extras.
	Good to see you, too.
	You've got some fans, Hugo.
	Arthamesia says, YouTube struck me, oh sorry, wrong one.
	Some guy, when are you going to stream with Louis again?
	Please, I need my fix.
	Also, thoughts on criticism to Hume's Law video.
	Much love.
	I haven't, well, send it across to me.
	I haven't seen the criticism.
	But I'm really just citing John Mackey's argument in response to Hume.
	But the thing is, I think Mackey is persuasive, and I'm interested to hear the criticism.
	Arthamesia says, YouTube struck me for bullying maps in a six-month-old video.
	Maps, for anyone who doesn't know, are progressive pedophiles?
	Yeah.
	Minor attracted persons, they call themselves.
	But, I mean, I think that's a fair...
	People who deserve the death penalty.
	Yeah.
	People who are the progressives totally disavow.
	To their credit, let's give them charity here.
	Fencing Mitch says, Yes, we are totally in support of the Australians here, of course.
	And important to note that when a state posts something like that, it's war propaganda.
	The Communist Party of China has posted war propaganda against Australia.
	Sargelius says, Still awake at the end of a 24-hour shift is alright if it means that you get to actually catch a live stream.
	Love the podcast.
	Looking forward to the website.
	Well, it's live, but it's still got a couple of bugs, but we're ironing them out.
	Matthew Hammond says, Maybe the UK, Europe, and the US need to seize the funds of foundations and NGOs that support bringing incompatible people to these countries.
	Well, I mean, it depends.
	But I think that we do need to have a revision to our immigration policy.
	I mean, there have been an awful lot of Chinese spies arrested in America for funneling research and whatnot back to China.
	And...
	That's just something that has to be accounted for.
	So, you know, unfortunately, we have to talk about that.
	Oi, mates, you got a license for that wife?
	I do, actually.
	I actually do.
	I got married.
	So, yeah, I do have a license for her.
	Well, you're becoming the new Veritas story, and Insider has been recording CNN calls for two months, and they're releasing them as an advent calendar.
	That's great!
	I mean, I do enjoy the Christmas period.
	Yeah, if anything good comes out of it, we definitely will.
	Let's go on, because we're running out of time.
	Yeah, we'll probably only do two stories, actually.
	I've got a really long one to do as well, but it's in the same spirit, so at least it's thematically consistent.
	So when YouTube demonetizes us, at least we'll know why.
	So, the question has been raised again, because this will continue to come up because of the last five years or so of the history of Islam and Islamism in the West.
	Should jihadis be allowed to return to the UK? And...
	Generally, the public seem to be dead set against this.
	I didn't actually get the polling for this, but overall it seems like something like two-thirds of people are definite no's, and then the rest are either yes or not sure.
	So the majority of people obviously think no, and that's sensible, because, I mean, we don't have to be charitable with the Islamic State, because they'll just tell you outright what they want to do.
	I mean, I remember reading the sort of Dabiq magazine article, And Rumour, I think it was, the next iteration.
	These are just jihadi magazines.
	In these magazines, they're very glossy.
	They look like they're, you know, some sort of woman's magazine, you know, that you'd find on the shelf of a supermarket.
	But inside, they have tactics on how to commit, like, truck attacks and things like this, like the Christmas Massacre in Germany.
	And it's like, right, okay, this is actually wild.
	You know, really high quality.
	You've heard the sort of ISIS music that's always used in the memes and stuff.
	Well, you know, they have a lot of high quality propaganda videos, etc., etc.
	Because what they're doing is they are presenting a positive view.
	And I don't mean positive as in good, as in they're creating, you know, bringing into being a view of existence that they feel would be most in line with the Prophet Muhammad, how he lived his life, In 7th century Arabia.
	They're entitled to their interpretation, but it's also awful.
	What they're trying to do is awful.
	And the sort of people that sign up to this are the sort of people who, when they come back and have interviews, act exactly as you'd expect.
	And really, before we start going through this, there's a quote from Frank Herbert, the author of Dune, that I really want us to bear in mind because this is A succinct summary of what we're about to go through.
	The quote is, This is the theme of what we're about to go through.
	So the first one we'll talk about is Shema Begum.
	Who left East London, born and bred in East London, to a Bengali, no, Bangladeshi family, sorry.
	Left East London in 2015 to join ISIS. So in February 2015, she, with two friends, flew to Turkey and then crossed in Syria.
	And I don't know whether we've got a picture in this BBC article, but there are pictures of them going through the airports, and it looks like they're just going on holiday.
	It doesn't look like they're going to join a terror state.
	They look like they're just having a good time.
	They've got their baggage, they're laughing, and sort of skipping through the place.
	But after the collapse of the Islamic Caliphate, she wishes to return to the UK. And she did an interview with the Times, and, I mean...
	I don't know how this person doesn't have emotional problems from what they've seen.
	Because, I mean, she says that she was unfazed by seeing severed heads in bins and all of the other various massacres that had happened around her.
	This was not something she was bothered about.
	She, at the time when this was done in 2019, I think it was, this interview, she had already lost two children to malnutrition.
	And she had lived in the IS stronghold of Raqqa and said that she liked it.
	She said it was like normal life.
	The life they show on the propaganda videos, it's normal life.
	Every now and then there were bombs and stuff, but other than that...
	But yeah, she recalls seeing severed head and saying, well, it was from a captured fighter seized on the battlefield, an enemy of Islam.
	I only thought of what he would have done to a Muslim woman had he the chance.
	Now, I can't imagine that the head of the person was anything other than a Muslim's head.
	It was probably the head of another Muslim from the security forces of Syria or Iraq or Turkey or wherever.
	You know, like, it's almost, in other words, 99% Islamic across the Middle East.
	So almost every single person they're going to encounter is a Muslim.
	So it's interesting how they see non-ISIS people as being non-Muslims, which is true, by the way.
	I suppose in Northern Ireland he would have been, well, he's not a real Christian as he's a Catholic.
	Yeah, he was a Catholic, not a Protestant.
	Yeah, or whatever.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But the Islamic State did decree, essentially, that anyone fighting against them was a non-Muslim.
	But she says, I don't regret coming to the Islamic State.
	But she didn't think that ISIS could win, which is why she wanted to come back.
	There's so much oppression and corruption going on, I really don't think they deserve victory.
	I was weak.
	I could not endure the suffering and hardship staying on the battlefield involved.
	But I was also frightened that the child I'm about to give birth to will die like my other children if I stay on.
	She'd married a Dutch convert to Islam who had become radicalised and then gone out to Syria, had three children, two of which died, and eventually she gives birth to her third child and he dies too from disease.
	Because it's awful.
	But at the time she said, I'll do anything required just to come home and live quietly with my child.
	She also argued that she knew what she was doing, and that she didn't regret it, and that she knew, even though she was 15, she knew what she was doing when she was going to join the Islamic State.
	She argues this in a video.
	I think the next one, if we can get it?
	Yeah, if we can just play this.
	Okay.
	Right, okay. okay.
	But you can see she takes responsibility for it.
	She knows why she did what she did.
	And she hasn't changed her mind, as far as I can tell.
	It just seems that she thinks the Islamic State wasn't going to win, and she didn't want to lose her child, which...
	I can understand.
	But anyway, in response to this, Sajid Javid, when he was the Home Secretary or whatever it was, he stripped her of his citizenship because under the 1981 British Nationality Act, a person could be deprived of their citizenship if the Home Secretary is satisfied, it would be conducive to the public good and would not become stateless as a result.
	The reason that she wasn't to become stateless is because she has Bangladeshi heritage and therefore is entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship.
	Corbyn wanted her to remain in Britain, of course, arguing that she was born in Britain and therefore she should stay here.
	But Britain doesn't have birthright citizenship.
	In fact, very few countries do.
	America is practically one of the few that does.
	Citizenship is actually determined by heritage, and her father's Bangladesh.
	But what's interesting is her sister appealed, and this is where I start to get quite cynical about things.
	Her sister, Renu Begum, said, We wish to make clear, along with the rest of the country, we are shocked and appalled with the vile comments she has made to the media in recent days, because she didn't recant anything.
	She says, These are not representative of British values, and my family entirely reject the comments she has made.
	This year we've lost Shemima to a murderous and misogynistic cult.
	My sister has been in their thrall now for four years, and it's clear to me that her exploitation at the hands has fundamentally damaged her.
	She didn't sound like she thought she'd been exploited.
	She sounded like she thought she knew what she was doing, and she didn't have any particular regrets.
	But it's interesting how her sister has to appeal to British values.
	She's not appealing to Islamic values.
	She's saying, well, you know, this is about Britain.
	And her father apologises to Britain.
	Her father says, she has done wrong.
	I apologise to everyone as her father, to the British people.
	Again, notice how the Muslims are very quick to collectivise.
	very interesting that isn't it um i'm sorry for shemima's doing i request the the people of the british people please forgive her she was underage at the time she couldn't understand that much i suppose someone influenced her to do that i admit that she has done wrong whether or not she realized it he owes the british government and public to take her back and punish her if she has done any mistake well that's the question really is why why do we have to punish her Why are they throwing themselves on the mercy of Britain?
	The answer is because in Bangladesh she'd face the death penalty.
	Join an Islamic State in Bangladesh, you get the death penalty.
	So needless to say, she doesn't want to go back to Bangladesh.
	They want British leniency in this, and it would be leniency.
	I mean, joining a terrorist state that is currently rampaging across the Middle East, murdering people...
	Just constantly, like piles of heads.
	Bins full of heads.
	You know, bodies strung up.
	Like, taking pleasure in sadism.
	And she's like, right, okay, I'd like to come back.
	And you can be like, well, you know, she was just a housewife over there.
	It's like, no, no, no, she wasn't, actually.
	She actually was a morality enforcer under ISIS, so she was allowed to carry a Kalashnikov and earned a reputation as a strict enforcer of the Islamic laws, such as Islamic dress codes for women, sources have claimed.
	Members of our group from Raqqa knew her well, said Mr.
	Kader.
	If you get the chance to interview her again, you can ask her about an incident that happened in Al-Amasi Street in Raqqa, 2016, when she was with the Hizbah.
	She shouted at a civilian woman wearing brightly coloured shoes and told her that that was haram or not permissible and this would attract the attention of men.
	The woman said to her, okay, so why is it okay for you to wear coloured shoes as Shemima herself was wearing white and pink trainers.
	A lovely microcosm of it.
	A, she was a moral bully and a total hypocrite.
	A complete brainlet.
	And a complete brainlet.
	She lost her appeal against Sajid Javid, removing her citizenship, and now it's gone to the Court of Appeals so she can argue a case.
	This was refused and now it's gone to the Supreme Court.
	It's currently in the Supreme Court, and the argument on the 23rd of November that had been presented...
	Was that she's a security risk to the UK. To be honest with you, how much of a security risk she personally is, I can't...
	I mean, I'm not saying she's not a terrorist.
	She is a terrorist.
	It's more the networks she'll join and facilitate that I think are the main threat.
	But obviously, I don't want her back.
	I don't think she should come back.
	I think that if you defect to a terrorist state that has declared war on Britain and everything else, and you lose, Well, that's too bad, isn't it?
	Whoever conquered you gets to determine your fate.
	You don't get to come back and say, oh, that was a mistake, maybe you should let me back.
	Especially when you don't seem to be in any way contrite.
	So you think she should be sent to a Syrian jail?
	Yeah.
	Why not?
	You invaded Syria, lost the war in Syria.
	Why should you not be punished by the Syrians?
	It's not a bad argument.
	The counter-argument on this that I've heard that I find somewhat compelling...
	is that there's the first one about her being groomed.
	I'm not going to get into that because you probably know more about it than me.
	Well, she claimed she knew what she was doing.
	She still stands by it.
	Yeah, it's just, you know, when you're 15, the law's the law.
	Sure.
	But the other argument I hear that I actually find compelling is about the comparison between people joining the Islamic State and people joining the Nazi Empire during the Second World War.
	So you'd have Britons who would go over and wouldn't just want to live in the Reich.
	They would go and fight for the Nazis.
	So the British division was set up.
	I don't think it ever actually saw combat, but they would mostly work on propaganda.
	So doing exactly what she did, enforcing rules, trying to get other people to flee all the rest of it.
	And our response to that was not to just murder them outright in Germany, but we brought them back, put them on trial, and those who were found guilty of crimes of treason were hung by the neck until dead for a British execution, and the rest were given prison sentences, and after the prison sentences were served, you're back as a British citizen now.
	So the argument is essentially, surely if it was good enough for the Nazis, it should be good enough for these people who are jihadists.
	I guess maybe there's that way of looking at it.
	Is the penalty for treason still hanging?
	It is no longer, which is a shame.
	Then, right, well, I let the Syrians deal with them.
	But no, unironically, you know, if you're in conquered territory and you lose that territory, then the people who conquer you are the ones who get to deal with you.
	Are we sort of not giving up our right to punish these people?
	Why would we care?
	I'm not bothered about Britain's right to punish Shemima Beckham, especially as I know that it's going to be very, very light.
	She's going to get 10 years in jail, half a good time served for good behaviour, and so she'll be back on the streets in five years, presumably propagating radical Islam.
	The obvious worry is exactly the thing that happened in Austria, which they'll send her to prison, then she'll come back out, and then her and her new husband will be wearing suicide vests in Manchester.
	Yes.
	Which...
	I don't want her back in the country.
	Not on a reasonable claim.
	The only thing that does complicate this is the fact that she has Bangladeshi citizenship, and as she said, she would face the death penalty in Bangladesh.
	Well, she's not a British citizen anymore.
	Exactly.
	So I'm...
	The argument that I made does fall down on that point, maybe, because the Britons who went over, none of them had, I don't know, dual Soviet citizenship, which you could send them to Gulag.
	Yeah.
	So...
	I don't see why we should have her back.
	She's not a British citizen.
	She's been stripped of that, and rightfully so, in my opinion.
	But she's not the only one.
	The latest one is a guy called Asil Muthana, who is another ISIS terrorist.
	He didn't go over as a child, but he travelled to Syria in 2013 to join the country's bloody civil war, as the Mirror reports.
	He's a founding member of the Caliphate.
	And he was a recruiter for ISIS. He claims that he never killed anyone, but I just don't believe this for a second.
	I mean, you can see the pictures of him laughing.
	You can see him...
	Just because he's laughing in a photo doesn't necessarily mean he's a murderer.
	The fact that he joined ISIS means he's probably a murderer.
	Yeah, but what I mean is...
	You'll see how the journalist who's interviewing him is consistently shocked that the guy is just laughing at the allegations of...
	He's just laughing and saying no.
	He apparently tells of crucifixions, beheadings, bodies hanging from posts, and homosexuals being thrown from rooftops.
	He confessed that he had seen so much blood that casual ISIS executions and limb-chopping punishments became like mere entertainment.
	He's recanted none of this, by the way.
	It sounds like 40k chaos, doesn't it?
	Yes.
	It sounds very much like Chaos from Wyoming 14,000.
	In a secret holding cell in northeast Syria, we are talking about issues so dark they chill you to the bone, yet a seal finds time to laugh.
	On social media, he bragged that he was 100% pro the brutality used by ISIS, claiming jihad is obligatory and he was willing to die.
	He beamed and denied being a fighter or taking part in the violence.
	I don't believe him.
	No.
	I don't care.
	He's a liar.
	He's lying to our faces.
	He is a murderer.
	He is like an agent of chaos.
	He is a very, very bad person.
	And he is not our problem because he defected to a terror state.
	Let whoever conquers that terror state deal with them.
	Syrian justice is perfectly good, I'm sure.
	But this is the thing.
	Touting the same line that other jail jihadis have before him, he says, I feel abandoned by the UK. I have human rights.
	I should be rehabilitated.
	What human rights does the Quran give you?
	None.
	Gives you duties.
	But this is the point.
	This is why I was giving you the Frank Herbert quote.
	When I'm weak, I appeal to your morality.
	When I'm strong, I appeal to my morality.
	His morality does not recognise human rights, which is why...
	Killing people is just a form of entertainment to him, even though he claims he didn't take part in the violence.
	Even if that's the case, I don't care.
	I don't want this person coming back to this country.
	We don't need this person.
	This person is a danger.
	This person is a murderer.
	This guy, if you let him back, will be out in two years murdering someone.
	Doubtless, doubtless.
	I mean, he says, you know, okay, let's say I was a criminal.
	You can't just leave me.
	It's normal for human rights.
	Even if I was a criminal, I should be rehabilitated.
	I should have some sort of contact with my family and my country.
	Well, what would you have said if you were the one holding the gun and your prisoner that you were about to execute had said the same thing?
	You'd have laughed in his face and shot him, which you doubtless have done.
	Slit his throat, if it's items.
	Exactly.
	Hang him from whatever, throw him off a building, whatever it is.
	You absolute maniac to be such a barbaric savage and then come and go, but it's normal for human rights.
	What he's saying is our moral framework.
	For your moral framework, you're supposed to do some stuff for me.
	It's like, okay, but that's only because we haven't brought back the death penalty yet, I guess.
	This is terrible.
	We can't have these people abusing our goodwill and taking advantage of us.
	Someone's made a good point in the chat, which is about my example of Britain.
	While Britain was the conquering power, therefore we had the right to punish them, and the Syrians have the right here because they're the conquering power.
	But I do have to think here what you're saying about the value system.
	Surely what the Germans would have done if they had won is not what we did with the Nuremberg trials and all the rest of it.
	Of course.
	We actually gave them defense laws and said defend yourselves.
	Yeah, but I think you'd have to argue quite strongly to make the Nuremberg trial seem fair.
	I mean, you had a definite outcome for those.
	They were a heck of a lot more fair than what the Germans were proposing.
	That's true, and what ISIS were proposing.
	That is true.
	So there's the thing.
	Is he wrong when he says to you, well, you guys have to treat me by your standards?
	He's obviously being an opportunistic.
	Totally.
	Totally.
	He's totally trying to take advantage of us, and we shouldn't agree.
	It would just be such a silly thing.
	And I don't think for a second that he won't return to being a terrorist.
	Again, he's conceded nothing.
	Neither him nor Shemima Begum have conceded that they've done anything wrong.
	The only thing they've conceded is that they have failed.
	And it's like, well, that's not good enough.
	That's not good enough at all.
	Like, I mean, you could say, well, I mean, what about someone like Majid Noirz?
	It's like, well, Majid Noirz has been through the process of admitting that he was wrong.
	You know, it wasn't...
	That, you know, they failed.
	It was that they were committing a moral crime and that they shouldn't be doing this.
	And now he's someone who argues quite effectively for Western liberalism.
	And so, you know, that's what I would consider a sort of redemptive arc.
	But these people are not doing that in any way, shape or form.
	They're trying to trick us.
	Fundamentally.
	What is your policy, though?
	Because let's say...
	The Syrian government deals with him.
	I agree.
	But then let's say the Syrian government gives him 10 years in jail, they serve 10 years, they've still got that passport.
	Well, strip him of his citizenship.
	But if this guy doesn't have Bangladeshi, just leave him stateless?
	Well, you can't do that.
	Exactly.
	So that's the problem.
	I think the Home Office is probably in a bit of a catch-22 here.
	Well, I would say to the Syrians, you conquered it.
	It's yours.
	They're your citizens now.
	I'd like to say that, yeah.
	Which is totally fair, actually, I would say.
	I mean, personally, my preference is the American policy of exterminatus, which is the...
	I think it was General Mattis who came out and just said, yeah, my job is to make sure they never leave Syria.
	And hinting at the fact he would just blow everything up.
	Yeah.
	Which...
	But anyway, so, throughout the interview, he displayed a blinkered refusal to accept responsibility.
	He continued to assert that he always just missed those moments of horror.
	Again, he's just lying.
	He's lying and laughing in their faces while he's lying to them.
	Asil told the Mirror that his brother's death released him from obligation towards ISIS. His brother was killed in a drone strike.
	Saying that source that was feeding me now is pretty much cut off.
	From then I wanted to go back to the UK. As soon as I couldn't stay, I'm going to go now.
	Yeah, as soon as we lost.
	My brother died, it was clear the Caliphate wasn't going to succeed.
	I just want to come home.
	No, you don't get to come home.
	You don't get to come home after defecting to a terror state.
	I'm sorry.
	But anyway, so at one point I asked him if I spent years investigating ISIS activities, what he would say if I told him I had witnesses who saw him fighting.
	He smiled cockily, laughed and said, I would say bring them to me.
	So yeah, he's learned nothing.
	He's changed his opinion on nothing.
	Just like Shemima Begum, doesn't feel like he did anything wrong.
	He just feels that we are weak in this regard, and we have morality that he can appeal to and expect us to follow through.
	I think Sajid Javid did exactly the right thing with Shemima Begum.
	If this guy's citizenship can be stripped, the same should be done there.
	He should be left to the tender mercy of the Syrians.
	Yep.
	In my opinion.
	But yeah, we'll do the third segment for the next podcast because this went on for a lot longer than I was expecting.
	There's a third point here, though, which I think is...
	Oh, go on.
	So this is after the war.
	So this is after the caliphate was set up.
	People went and joined it and all the rest of it.
	And we can see that these people are crazy ideologically.
	Like, just take away the crimes for a minute.
	Let's just say they were, as they say, just humble citizens of the caliphate.
	Oh, they just seem as psychopathic to me.
	You don't want them back?
	No.
	But I have to wonder, when you look at some of the extremist Islamic countries that already exist, that aren't just terror groups, but the terrorists run the country, should we be importing their citizens?
	Because you have exactly the same problem, surely.
	I mean, if you're like, well, you can't be sure he's going to commit a terror attack if he comes back.
	Okay.
	But I can be proportionately sure.
	Yeah, but we can also say that he would be a danger to other Muslims in the country for his radical views.
	He's going to try and radicalize other Muslims.
	He was a recruiter.
	He appeared in all of the ISIS propaganda videos.
	You know, he saw a very nicely shot thing of three guys putting their fingers up and saying whatever it is.
	He was one of them.
	And there are videos of him doing it.
	And, you know, they're smiling, they're laughing.
	Yeah, this is how Muhammad would have lived.
	This is how you should live.
	Come and join us.
	He's going to do the same thing.
	You know, he will be a danger to others in some way.
	We can't let these people back.
	It is kind of funny how much it looks like chaos, because I don't know if you know.
	So they're saying they're representing the reality of the rise of Muhammad and all the rest of it.
	And I don't disagree in the history books of how Islam was spread in the early years.
	And the funny part is that when Muhammad was coming out of Arabia, conquering places, the Pope at the time issued a statement that he believed it was the Antichrist, and this was the coming days of, what is it, the rapture or whatever.
	Yeah.
	It certainly looks like it.
	I mean, if we weren't so superstitious, if we were more superstitious today, and this was going on, what would you say?
	Well, it'd be terrible.
	Emperor preserve us.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But anyway, let's finish the Super Chats, and then we'll be back in a few hours.
	But yeah, and the thing is, all of this stresses me out, because it's like...
	The Muslim community itself is generally quite honest about these things, and it's the Western politicians who are the ones, like with your one earlier, the guys like, well, we Muslims have something we have to change.
	It's like, okay, well, I mean, I agree with you.
	It's the absolutely worst thing about Silicon Valley, is they're even worse than the Western politicians, because they have no interaction with...
	Yeah, they don't know anything about any of this.
	And again, we've been very cautious with what we've been saying here.
	And even then, we might still get in trouble because we're just discussing the subject.
	Because the people in Silicon Valley are just brainlets.
	They have no idea.
	They don't know anything about the communities here because they've never been here.
	They've never gone anywhere near.
	They're in a very safe, comfortable place in California and they just don't get what it's like.
	But you can read these.
	What did we leave off?
	Um...
	Down a bit?
	Down a bit?
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I said Binary Surfer.
	Yes, so Binary Surfer, good friend.
	Two choices with radical Islam.
	Deal with it now by debate and reform.
	Or deal with it in the streets with bricks and bats eventually.
	Would rather the former.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	That's exactly right, Binary.
	In fact, that's a brilliant way of putting it, because at the end of the day, you can see the kind of sociopaths that these people are.
	They don't think that it's bad.
	Like, killing people is a form of entertainment to the kind of people who join the Islamic State, and we can't live side by side with people like that.
	So it has to be dealt with now, through debate and discourse, rather than later, which they will force.
	With someone like that, debate and discourse is too far gone.
	Well, no, not with that person, obviously.
	But what I mean is, with the Muslim community saying, look, these people have just got to go.
	They can't be a part of our public life.
	The Royal Ulster Constabulary.
	What do you think of abolishing Scotland?
	Not just devolution, but the entire concept of it.
	Rename the new province where it was North Britain.
	I'll message Dankula, see how he feels about it.
	I'm surprised you're a pro, to be honest.
	Your take is always that it's too much of a drain.
	What, Scotland?
	Yeah, like, you know how the Empire costs more than it gave?
	It's sort of like that.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, abolishing Scotland means we don't have to pay for Scotland.
	I suppose we could save some cash.
	I can see an argument for it.
	Anyway.
	I'll see how Dank feels about being a North Britanese.
	Mr.
	Gently Benevolent.
	Where does one acquire one of these new fancy chairs you've been flaunting, Mr.
	Avakad?
	Also, Mr.
	Surfer is entirely correct in his last Super Chat.
	Mr.
	Surfer was.
	No, I probably got off Amazon, to be honest.
	Probably responsible for enriching Jeff Bezos.
	What?
	The government says you literally can't enrich anyone else.
	Yeah.
	Although we're out of lockdown today, apparently.
	I might go into town in a minute and buy...
	I might buy some new shirts!
	Yeah, exactly.
	I need to get some new shoes.
	Yeah, you do need new shirts.
	Okay.
	Josh Piquet, I assume that's meant to abbreviate.
	White...
	How do you say that word?
	White retaliatory attacks, good, more, please.
	No.
	Absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	Because that just further induces the chaos...
	That these people thrive on.
	We are a civilization of law and order, so we will have law and order.
	That's a chaos cultist right there who's infiltrating the Imperium.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's chaos cultist rhetoric.
	Some guy.
	Re.
	Hume law video criticism.
	Chess is not a fact.
	It's a normative practice.
	Any oughts are derived from chess.
	Oughts.
	Also, stream with Louis.
	I have no idea what he's talking about.
	Okay, I will stream with Louis.
	But the fact that chess is a normative practice is a fact.
	And the fact that the institution of chess exists is a fact.
	And so it is an is, and so if you derive any orts from it, you are right, they are In the sort of relation to the institution that is chess.
	So they are chess oughts.
	They don't make sense outside of the institution of chess.
	But the ought is still derived from an is.
	And you have to answer the question, if oughts are not actually derived from ises, where are they derived from?
	And anything that you point to is, in and of itself, going to be some kind of is.
	So, I think we need to think about this more, I think.
	It's the level of philosophy where I just tune out.
	Not for me.
	It's not that hard.
	RedFoxMoon says, bring on the fourth guy again, needs more posh Britishness.
	Yeah, he'll be on the podcast this afternoon.
	Posh Josh.
	Yes.
	Matthew Hammond.
	Clearly it's a Josh Simp in the chat.
	Matthew Hammond, the Dune author, is describing the US. The progressives were anti-war and for free speech.
	As a minority in culture, they support neither doubt.
	Yeah, that's true.
	1991 Shadowheart.
	Alert the Astartes.
	Yes.
	We have a Space Force.
	We have a Space Force now.
	I'm really upset that the US didn't take the Space Marines things, but the UK could take it.
	Yeah.
	Because we have our Marines as well.
	What do they call them?
	Did they choose a name?
	I don't know.
	I can't remember.
	I'll have to Google it afterwards.
	But I remember they didn't use the term marine.
	If you're not using space marines, you've failed.
	You may as well scrap it and start again.
	But we have our own role of marines, so we could rename ours.
	Jacob...
	Where are we?
	Sorry.
	Eric Marley.
	Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
	H.L. Mencken.
	Every American president would have had, good or bad, is one we deserved.
	It's a good point.
	You get the democracy, sorry, you get the government.
	The leaders you vote for, yeah.
	Not that you vote for, you deserve.
	It's a complex thing.
	If you take a country that they can't vote for their leaders, if you go into a deep dive of why that country still exists and has that government, it is because of tacit support from the people and the elites that ultimately ran places like that.
	Where did we leave off?
	Matthew Hammond.
	Maybe the UK needs to bring back the death penalty.
	I mean, for treason, yeah, I could totally...
	I'm getting there, to be honest.
	Yeah, honestly, I'm not very sympathetic to the concept of treason, and I think that, yeah, like, there is something symbolic about it, and there's something symbolic about having the death penalty for it.
	And I realise that the liberal position is, oh, well, but...
	It's like, yeah, no...
	I don't agree that it's liberal or illiberal to decide whether the death penalty should be there or not.
	No, that's true.
	It's progressive, sorry.
	It's a progressive position.
	The only convincing argument I've had is, well, maybe the evidence is false, because you can get cases where people make it.
	But when they're admitting all the evidence seems to confirm everything they're saying, there's absolutely no one who's raising a counter-argument.
	Like, what was it?
	Jihadi Jack or whatever?
	Yep.
	The guy who went out and you could see him executing people?
	Okay, well, death penalty then.
	Well, this guy, he just admits that he was there, he was a recruiter.
	Well, he said he enjoyed watching it.
	Yeah?
	I mean...
	Anyone who enjoys watching people getting dismembered and murdered and raped and taking part in it essentially.
	Yeah, being a recruiter for this way of life?
	Dude, I'm sorry.
	If you lose the war of conquest that you started, you get what you deserve.
	You get what you absolutely deserve.
	Jacob Ensign, work on your literacy...
	Literary euphemisms.
	Literary euphemisms.
	Spurgleberry Khan says, a reminder that you can now buy and hold Bitcoin through PayPal.
	That's interesting.
	Mr.
	Gently Benevolent, the minion of the card needs more practice reading superchats thus I shall provide.
	Damn, sorry.
	Also, Mr.
	of the card, third biscuit, yay or nay?
	Nay, obviously.
	AA is right.
	Oh, you Puritan.
	No, no, he is absolutely right, right?
	The first biscuit you're entitled to, because it's your treat.
	The second biscuit is you pushing the boat out somewhat.
	You're going a bit far, but you're still within the bounds of normalcy.
	But the third biscuit is definitely too far, and you know you shouldn't have had it.
	And my wife actually fell into it.
	Like, she doesn't know any about this, right?
	But the other day, my wife was like, look, I had a biscuit, I had a second biscuit, and then I stopped there.
	And I was like, wow, I'd not talked to her about this third biscuit being a moral thing, and yet she'd just come to that natural conclusion on Earth.
	Yeah, exactly, everyone gets it.
	It's like the shopping carts, the taps debate, everyone knows it.
	Exactly, and it's all because of the is of the institutions that we live in.
	And she knew that she ought not have that third biscuit, and she bragged to me that she didn't.
	I was like, I know, I was proud as well.
	I was like, oh, well done, darling.
	Joseph Armstrong.
	Carl, can you discuss The Abolition of Britain in a video or a book review?
	Also, Sad Peter will not talk to you.
	Yeah, I haven't read The Abolition of Britain.
	Yeah, it's on my reading list.
	Yeah, maybe if I read it, he'll come and talk to me.
	Confounded Feline.
	Any of you read Submission by Michael...
	French name?
	Well, beck.
	Novel set in modernity if Sharia-based party won a majority in Parliament.
	Worth a read, boys.
	That would be worth a read, actually.
	Yes.
	I could see my future.
	Anyway, Space Force is going to have many names with a naval naming convention, so by default we will have the Space Marines.
	Also, I am waiting for the carrier to be named the USS Donald Trump.
	They've got to.
	They've got to.
	He founded it.
	Is that how it works?
	Well, I don't know, but come on.
	The founder of the Space Force doesn't get his own ship named after him?
	That can't happen.
	Can you imagine the Space Marines on the USS Donald Trump's going up to the stars to fight the forces of chaos?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, let's wrap this up.
	I can't stop imagining it and how you say it like that.
	But anyway, thank you everyone for joining us.
	God, someone needs to make a mod.
	Yes, they do need to make a mod.
	Anyway, thank you everyone for joining us.
	We will be back in a few hours with another podcast because we're going to make up for the fact that we couldn't broadcast yesterday.

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