Louder with Crowder - Facts Based "Racism" | Black & White on the Gray Issues Pt. 2 2025-10-16 18:05
Aired: 2025-10-16
Duration: 09:45


=== Dei And The Lie (08:57) ===

[00:00:00]  Where she said, I would never be at UT if not for affirmative action.
[00:00:03]  I said, affirmative, and I believe it.
[00:00:05]  Affirmative action is racist, by its definition, my opinion.
[00:00:07]  It excludes on race.
[00:00:09]  That is a form of racism.
[00:00:10]  So anyway, she sat down, she said, I'm a black girl.
[00:00:13]  She said, but if it wasn't for affirmative action, she said, I wouldn't be here at UT.
[00:00:17]  I said, why do you say that?
[00:00:18]  She said, well, because I wouldn't be allowed.
[00:00:19]  I said, well, what were your SATs?
[00:00:21]  Remember the numbers?
[00:00:21]  They were very impressive.
[00:00:22]  I said, what was your GPA?
[00:00:24]  It was very impressive.
[00:00:25]  It was over 4.0.
[00:00:26]  I said, that's really sad to me that you don't know, and you'll never know that you deserve to be here because I can tell you, based on if you're telling me the truth, you of course would get into UT.
[00:00:37]  And you didn't need a government program.
[00:00:39]  And you could see in her face, her tears welled up because she had been told that she needed someone else to give it to her.
[00:00:46]  And that removed her sense of pride in her accomplishments.
[00:00:48]  So I said the exact same thing as Charlie did, saying, you can never know if you earned it a meritocracy because of DEI.
[00:00:54]  And she changed her mind.
[00:00:55]  And she said, you know what?
[00:00:56]  I should be here and I don't need DEI.
[00:00:59]  Or affirmative action.
[00:01:00]  And that mutation in order to believe that.
[00:01:03]  Yeah, in that particular instance.
[00:01:04]  And certainly not from a white guy.
[00:01:05]  In that particular instance, it might have been completely accurate.
[00:01:09]  But there's also, if you want to acknowledge that there's a flip side to the coin, right?
[00:01:14]  There's also a lot of people who had the qualifications who didn't get the access because, once again, their name appeared wrong on the resume.
[00:01:24]  Your name was Katanji.
[00:01:25]  Well, we know who that is.
[00:01:26]  Let's go with Alice.
[00:01:28]  She is an idiot and she got the job based on the side.
[00:01:31]  That's why affirmative action had to be instituted in the first place.
[00:01:34]  Now, did it operate correctly all the time?
[00:01:37]  No.
[00:01:38]  But that's what I'm saying.
[00:01:39]  Just because it didn't operate correctly all the time, you're going to take the few instances where it didn't.
[00:01:43]  And the majority of the people who are in the city of the world.
[00:01:45]  What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk, I agree.
[00:01:47]  What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk was making a point.
[00:01:49]  And the point that he was making, I'm trying to say is the same point that I was making where this black girl agreed with it, where he was saying, if you say that I'm only here because of DEI, then I am going to believe you.
[00:01:59]  That's what he's saying.
[00:02:01]  And that's a valid point.
[00:02:02]  And it's not hateful.
[00:02:02]  And in doing that, you have the responsibility in your words to not have to say the words, Morani, black woman.
[00:02:07]  You could have just said, if I'm on, like you said, you just perfectly summed it up.
[00:02:11]  If I'm on the phone with a customer service agent and she's a moron, perfect.
[00:02:16]  Why does she have to be qualified as black?
[00:02:18]  Because he was addressing DEI.
[00:02:20]  That's the point.
[00:02:21]  But do you understand this?
[00:02:22]  Do you understand how that's going to affect anybody who hears it?
[00:02:24]  No.
[00:02:25]  My insensitive.
[00:02:26]  Okay, then I'm insensitive.
[00:02:27]  If someone is addressing DEI in a conversation and is asked about it, where race is relevant as per the policy, DEI, it exists based on race.
[00:02:34]  You can't blame someone for acknowledging the race and criticizing the policy.
[00:02:38]  But the policy was created because race was being changed to exclude.
[00:02:41]  Fine.
[00:02:42]  Then don't say that it's wrong for me to acknowledge the race.
[00:02:44]  He was making the point about a race-based initiative.
[00:02:47]  That's why he told the race.
[00:02:48]  You see the choice in words he had to use?
[00:02:50]  And once again, our responsibility in our choice of words is what creates a response in other people.
[00:02:57]  I could say certain things to you, the way I say it can either give you a good vibe or a bad one.
[00:03:04]  And you can't respond a certain way.
[00:03:05]  Yeah, but who cares?
[00:03:06]  That doesn't make someone a racist.
[00:03:08]  It doesn't, but I'm saying, when people do things knowing that we're in a heightened inflammatory time and you do it on purpose and just stand behind, I'm whatever.
[00:03:20]  It don't make me a racist, but I'm saying that y'all ain't shit.
[00:03:24]  Whatever.
[00:03:25]  But he never said that.
[00:03:26]  Whatever.
[00:03:28]  No, but that matters because believing those lies is why someone killed women in a certain context.
[00:03:35]  And then I'm not expecting nobody to get upset by that.
[00:03:37]  Let me, I do have to get, but let me just, because Charlie Kirk is a big thing.
[00:03:40]  Let me just kind of, maybe if you could just listen to this, because this is important.
[00:03:43]  And I've been through it, and you're just seeing the actual murder that got through.
[00:03:47]  Right.
[00:03:47]  I mean, I've had concrete milkshakes, someone tried to bash rubber that was a rock.
[00:03:49]  I've had people try to firebomb my car, slash my tires.
[00:03:52]  I've had terrorists show up from Yemen by way of Sweden to the local PD showed up.
[00:03:55]  Like, actually, I'm on the ICE kill list.
[00:03:58]  It's a real thing, Charlie was a little bit more.
[00:03:59]  All the stuff Dr. King and Malcolm X was dealing with.
[00:04:01]  Go ahead, finish.
[00:04:02]  Sure, great.
[00:04:03]  And I think it was wrong that he was taking probably the CIA involvement too.
[00:04:06]  I think we probably all agree on that, the MLK, right?
[00:04:08]  Yeah, it's wrong.
[00:04:09]  We can say it's all wrong.
[00:04:11]  But if you add it up, okay, where you believe the lie that he said something racist, let's just take that, okay?
[00:04:16]  There's some hate put out there against Charlie Kirk that's not true.
[00:04:19]  If someone believes the lie that he wants to erase trans people, that's what people are also told.
[00:04:22]  If he wants to erase trans people, which is a lie, that person hates him too.
[00:04:26]  If someone believes that he's a fascist or he's a Nazi, doesn't believe we should hold democratic elections, which is a lie, and people believe that, hey, that adds another piece of hatred and justification too.
[00:04:33]  If someone believes that he's a misogynist, a sexist, he doesn't think that women should be allowed to vote or have the right to earn their place in the workplace.
[00:04:40]  And every single one of them is dishonest, just like no one here knew that Donald Trump said, I condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazis totally.
[00:04:47]  I still don't know that he said it.
[00:04:48]  I hear you saying he said it, but I'd have to go see it in order to know.
[00:04:52]  Okay, so let's assume for a second that I'm not lying.
[00:04:54]  And right after this, I make the references available always.
[00:04:57]  And you see that.
[00:04:58]  And let's assume that I'm not lying and Charlie Kirk wasn't racist.
[00:05:02]  And let's assume that he didn't want to commit genocide against trans people.
[00:05:04]  And let's assume for a second that I'm not lying and there's a 12 times murder rate from black toward white people as opposed to white towards.
[00:05:09]  Let's assume that I'm not lying about any of this because I'm kind of good at it and I know these numbers and it's what I do.
[00:05:15]  Wouldn't we acknowledge that, hey, why?
[00:05:18]  Why do so many people believe these lies?
[00:05:20]  I guarantee you this right here, this conversation, you will read in the media that this was racist.
[00:05:25]  Because I sat down and discussed race issues.
[00:05:27]  Because I sat down and argued with black people.
[00:05:29]  I've been accused of being a Nazi because of sitting down and having conversations.
[00:05:34]  Well, you should know that's offensive.
[00:05:36]  That's not my responsibility.
[00:05:38]  I'm actually having a conversation, and so did Charlie.
[00:05:40]  And he was shot for it and vilified for it.
[00:05:43]  And wrongly.
[00:05:44]  And that's wrong, yeah, that's wrongly.
[00:05:45]  And nobody.
[00:05:46]  But it's because people believe the lie.
[00:05:47]  But that's my point.
[00:05:48]  It's because the way information is propagated and given to people, once again, via social media, all these other platforms.
[00:05:59]  And most of it is disinformation.
[00:06:01]  I agree.
[00:06:02]  So that's the root of the problem: giving people the wrong information, and then they respond into this wrong information by feeling a certain way about the people that that information is informing them about.
[00:06:11]  So then you have crazy people responding to misinformation.
[00:06:14]  And that's where we're at.
[00:06:16]  We're a bunch of crazy people, a bunch of shit up soda cans waiting to pop over some bad information.
[00:06:20]  Yeah.
[00:06:21]  I want to hear something, if I may, though.
[00:06:23]  And this is the only part.
[00:06:25]  You know, as it relates to the Charlotte Kirk situation, the only thing I think we're kind of getting the mixed message in that is, as I said again, it was a young white man that killed Charlie Kirk for his personal issues, whatever those ideologies that may have been the cause of fuel his violence.
[00:06:42]  It wasn't a black man who said, I don't like what he said.
[00:06:45]  Nevertheless, he has said that, you know, Katanja Brown Jackson, what's that young lady, Michelle Obama, all these people with DEI highs.
[00:06:53]  In other words, we respond differently because we have gotten so accustomed to it in terms of what's believed about us or perceived about us.
[00:07:00]  So we just know, hey, at tomorrow, it'll be another sound bite on some other shit.
[00:07:04]  You understand what I'm talking about?
[00:07:05]  So we're not going to react the same way.
[00:07:07]  So I think we got to acknowledge the fact that, hey, you know what?
[00:07:10]  There may need to be a change in the conversation overall as it relates to what's really the hell going on with white and black America.
[00:07:17]  That's why I say, I just need you to kind of just, and Steve, when I say this, it's not a challenge, but I got to ask you, you got to tell me these sources where you're getting this 12 times more likely a black man killing a white person.
[00:07:29]  I got to know that, not because it's contradictory, but because I like to have facts.
[00:07:34]  Get out the sauce.
[00:07:35]  I'll do it.
[00:07:36]  Yeah, when we do it, we always give a QR code where you can see all of them.
[00:07:39]  These are coming from either the FBI or something.
[00:07:40]  No, you say QR code and C, and that's blind.
[00:07:42]  I know, that's what I'm saying.
[00:07:43]  I told you.
[00:07:44]  I want to drink it out in Braille and ship that.
[00:07:47]  By the way, you want to hear a funny true hand of God.
[00:07:50]  I dated a girl in college whose dad was at, he was at an airport, and next to him was Stevie Wonder.
[00:07:58]  Was reading a Playboy in Braille.
[00:08:00]  I was like, I said that one-handed.
[00:08:02]  I don't know how you use a Playboy in Braille, but hey man, blind people, we love sex.
[00:08:05]  That's our only connection to the rest of society.
[00:08:10]  Hey, Charles had 11 children.
[00:08:11]  Go figure.
[00:08:13]  All right.
[00:08:13]  No, I know it's been a pleasure.
[00:08:15]  Hey, Cedric, thanks.
[00:08:16]  I gotta get going too.
[00:08:17]  Thank you, man.
[00:08:17]  Now that I know you're blind, I'm gonna recognize it.
[00:08:20]  Thank you for everything, man.
[00:08:21]  I hate you all.
[00:08:21]  Let's continue your discourse, man, because this is the only way we're gonna really get together.
[00:08:24]  No, great problem.
[00:08:25]  We gotta talk about it first.
[00:08:25]  So let's spread the dialogue.
[00:08:27]  Yeah, and I came in hot because, you know, my friends are getting killed.
[00:08:30]  Absolutely.
[00:08:31]  Absolutely, man.
[00:08:31]  But I appreciate it.
[00:08:32]  No, thank you, guys.
[00:08:33]  And hopefully, we can do what you do, man.
[00:08:36]  When your life is on the line all the time, I mean, come on, that's not something to scoff at.
[00:08:39]  This thing about the possibility of losing your children.
[00:08:41]  This might be a cure if we can do it in a way that, you know what I'm saying?

=== Conversations That Matter (01:03) ===

[00:08:44]  Like, keep it in a way that people don't get all up in arms about it.
[00:08:49]  That's why I'm doing it.
[00:08:49]  That's what I'm trying to do.
[00:08:50]  Yeah.
[00:08:51]  And I know, I know we're never going to agree on everything.
[00:08:53]  We probably might not agree on anything.
[00:08:54]  That's all right.
[00:08:55]  But at least had a conversation.
[00:08:56]  Yeah.
[00:08:56]  At least had a conversation.
[00:08:58]  Been a pleasure, man.
[00:08:59]  Yes, sir.
[00:08:59]  Yes, wrong about the others.
[00:09:03]  Watch, I'm going to walk out of here.
[00:09:04]  That white motherfucker.
[00:09:07]  Yeah, don't leave no mics behind.
[00:09:11]  Well, there you have it.
[00:09:12]  What do you make of what you just watched?
[00:09:15]  Assuming you watched both installments, do you think there's hope that we're on the path toward reconciliation?
[00:09:22]  Or are we completely clocked?
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