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Oct. 9, 2025 - Louder with Crowder
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Black Fatigue is Real and I Told Them Why | Black & White on the Gray Issues
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Have you guys heard of the term black black fatigue?
Yeah.
You guys know what you guys know what that means?
Since since the last time you came, that's become a thing.
Yeah, I was about to say that's just become a recent thing.
And do you do you know what it means?
I'm not sure what I'm saying.
White people are 12 times as likely to be killed by a black person the other way around.
I'm just gonna shoot you straight.
It's not even f close.
Where?
Across the country.
Ain't nobody coming after you, you know what I'm saying?
Like nobody tripping on you in, but that but these people in is just as scared as the mother folks to do.
They are if they get on a bus, not necessarily.
That lady, that lady wasn't in danger because that man was black.
That lady was in danger because that man was crazy.
Nope.
Whenever we want to ask for equality and fairness, it's a problem.
So white America.
So it spends several trillion dollars.
When is it enough?
We're the bird.
No, no, no, the bird!
White America for both.
What would you let the bird just burned down four billion dollars worth of cities and sixty thousand assaults?
Just three times to four times as much homework than the black kid.
And the white kid does two to three Why?
Because it's is culturally because conditions So why is it better parenting from Asian than white parents?
Why said what?
Why do black why do young black men fight in packs?
So a couple of years ago when I started black and white on the gray issues, I sensed some growing discontent or more of a racial divide in America than I'd experienced in my lifetime, and it seemed to be egged on by legacy media.
It it's sad to see a lot of people going along with that.
The American people have felt safe in their home.
But people who had absolutely no chance of victory.
And as that evolved, and for the first time I walked into Stevie J's barber shop, I really was looking to sit down uh and talk with, but mainly listen to real black Americans living the real American black experience to see whether they shared the viewpoint of a lot of the public representatives, the now networkless Joy Reeves of the world.
Or back then the Don Lemons, what they wanted me to believe.
I realized CNN and MSNBC was really here.
And overall it was a largely warm, productive conversation.
I think served its purpose.
you can go check out that video to see what it was like.
Fast forward to now, and not only have things not really improved, and according to many Americans, they're markedly worse.
And if listening is important, I noticed that a lot of white Americans felt pushed to a point that they weren't even fully comfortable expressing.
But for the most part, when they did, their communication was pretty restrained.
And then it was dialed up to near boiling point with the recent cold-blooded murder of Irina Zarutska.
The unthinkable happens.
See Brown pull out what officials say was a pocket knife.
He unfolds it, then stands up behind Zerutzka.
What we aren't showing you is the moment where Brown then stabs Zaruska several times and walks away.
And that murder taking place at the hands of a black man who was arrested at least 14 times and released largely in the name of racial justice.
Spread a reaction from white Americans that frankly is unsurprising.
And truth be told, for young white Americans, is understandable.
And it would be doing America No favors to completely ignore the discontent of young white Americans who, if you listen to them, definitely will make the case that they have been vilified and asked to foot the bill for original sin or crimes that they've never committed.
They owe each of us 300K.
I don't care how do you get the money?
That's not my battle.
I just want my money.
A debt is owed.
You owe it, you owe a debt.
You have to pay.
And if you marginalize that entire segment, that voice of the country, that will lead to quote unquote radicalization.
And if this country wants to avoid that, or at the very least, as we've done in the past, understand that there needs to be a major course correction in the approach to communication.
That needs to go both ways.
And that's why this time, I didn't visit the barbershop merely to listen, but to communicate a very real set of grievances that could bubble into massive consequences.
This one goes a little bit of a different direction compared to last time.
This is Black and White on The Gray Issue.
And that's Steven right there.
Oh, Steven.
I met Cedric.
I think I scared him.
I think he was doing bad.
Yeah, man.
How are you doing?
Good to see you.
I need to.
You guys all have your your beards nice and right.
I just I've never learned how to do this.
Because people come here once.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, I see what it is.
It's a power move.
You have me sitting lower.
Can I read?
Yeah, so we can all look down on you.
No, thanks for they said uh you guys got some people coming in here after the last one.
Yeah, a couple couple people came came together.
They just felt like I think this is the place where uh white and black people have conversations.
So it was funny.
The first person that came, the first person that came last time was a uh from he said and he said it out at all, he was like, I'm Indian, but he had on a he had on a MAGA hat.
And he walked in and was like, hey, uh saw you guys on a crowded.
Can I get a cut here?
Yeah, I guess so, man.
Come on.
And did you have your hand on your piece?
You're like, I don't know.
No, because uh he he didn't come, he didn't come like that.
He didn't he didn't have the backpack and the and the and the and the ski mask on.
Yeah, he didn't have that on.
Was he was he nice?
Was he good?
Cool.
Yeah.
What do you guys think like when you see someone with a MAGA hat?
Because I know we were kind of talking about that last time.
I put it back to the case.
It depends on how to depends on how they present themselves.
To me, yeah, for me.
Well, okay, so what would present themselves in a way that would be like decent versus piece of shit.
Yeah, some you know how some people some people carry that uh that that air of superiority.
Yeah.
And if you present that to me, I'm very conscious of that.
If you present that to me, I'm gonna respond appropriately.
Yeah.
That's just me personally.
Well, it'll be like an air of superiority.
Like, just like certain things you say in conversation, and you know, and like you said, just in the in the physical nature of these chairs.
Well, in conversation, you can physically go up and down and put yourself above or beneath.
So when people do that kind of stuff.
Yeah, you know, it's funny that you mentioned that because I actually when I do the change of minds and sit with people, I actually kind of slump my shoulders and deliberately kind of make myself smaller, just to not, it's like you know, what is it, the crab that has the red under its claws that's showing danger?
So I don't wear red, because apparently that signifies poison.
But yeah, no, I there's all these body languages experts now.
You watching TV, and I'd like this seems like horse.
Like he looks to the left, so you can tell he's lying.
Yeah, some of it is a little bit.
I saw him on camera, he killed his girlfriend with a butter dish.
I don't give a s what he says.
He took too long to say that answer.
He he had to think about it.
No, he thinks about thinking about what he wants to say.
Yeah.
You don't just speak out.
He wants to say last time we talked, we were kind of just, and the reason was just like, you know, often you see in news, people just kind of siphon themselves off right into an echo chamber.
And I thought it was good, we were just kind of able to see other perspectives.
Where do you think the country is now?
Like with that.
Like, is that open question or yeah, race relations between, because last time I wanted to get your perspective, and there's a perspective now in the white community.
None of us are an ambassador for the entire community, but things have changed quite a bit the last last year and a half.
Temperatures have have gone up.
But what do you guys think?
What do you think we are in the community?
I'd like to chime in on that.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to you ask that question.
Uh There are a lot of social and economic dynamics at play that have certainly gone, in my opinion, in the wrong direction.
I don't think that uh people really understand the gravity of where we're headed.
We are vastly sliding into an autocratic uh regime here.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'll give you several reasons.
See, in order to have uh you can't have a one-dimensional approach when you're wanting to continue to lead from a global perspective, all right?
What you see here today is an isolationism approach, which has never worked in the past, is because we don't have an understanding of geography and history, all right?
And I'll just simply close by saying you you gotta understand something.
The rest of the world is grossly infuriated with the way America has taken shape, and not only that, we're ceding all our best opportunities to China, right?
Look around you and the relationships they're fostering with everybody else, which includes Canada, Mexico, and they've even gone as far down into the Latin American corridor, fortifying their bases while we're still hollering that we're the greatest.
You're talking about China, like in the Panama Canal, not just the Panama Canal.
Let's let's let's pivot from the Panama Canal and let's look at the long-term strategy they have now, where they've just signed an agreement with Mexico to build another canal bypassing the Panama Canal.
And when you look at the whole transatlantic corridor where you've got now Brazil and Canada as well as Mexico trade and they stopping in Peru, where China has a huge presence at circumventing completely the nav the navigation, the use that comes with having to use Panama canal.
So we'll avoid conflict with America and just simply go around America is what's happening here.
Talking about China.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
No, I mean I want to agree with the first part autocratic.
I think China needs to be dealt with, and this is the first time we are.
I'm Canadian.
Well, I was raised in Canada.
Canada sucks.
Canada is a dog shit country.
Canada, the kind of sh we're doing it, you can't do this in Canada.
If you say something too offensive or I say something too offensive, you will be jailed in Canada.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
So I'm fine with the US being the best country.
I came here from Canada because I mean I had friends who were arrested.
I had a friend, stand-up comic was fined for telling a joke.
I don't think people realize how good we have it here in this country compared to other countries.
But that's the painstaking part about it all is the fact that, you know, I'll I've always been one to say, and I believe this firmly, freedom is not a right, it's a privilege until you wake up the next morning and find out you don't have it anymore.
Yeah.
It also comes with duties.
That's what I was about to say.
It also comes with responsibilities because while we while we're free to speak and say what we want.
And I I went to Montreal a few months ago, so I I know exactly what you're talking about.
Bet you saw a lot of t on signs.
That's all it is.
No, it's it's just strip clubs.
Our Times Square is a giant strip club.
It it was a couple of them.
Yeah.
But uh, like there is responsibility in like everybody's from different places, different backgrounds.
Some of us from from certain backgrounds know like running your mouth too much in a certain space can get your ass whooped.
Yeah.
Like, you're free to say what you want, you're just not free from the consequences.
Like the consequences that come with you saying the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong person.
Yeah.
And that's where we all have responsibilities and what we say and when we say it.
Yeah.
The problem though, too, and that's I was kind of talking more domestically.
The problem with that idea is a lot of people are offended by different things.
And so people get their ass whooped for something they didn't say, right?
That's the real thing.
I don't know uh if you guys were following the uh stabbing there on that uh train in Charlotte, Arena Zarutska.
Last time I was asking where you guys thought we were, you know, as far as in the country relationship.
Like I've you guys heard the term black black fatigue?
Yeah.
You guys know what you guys know what that means.
Since the last time you came, that's become a thing.
Yeah, I was about to say that's just become a recent thing.
And do you do you know what it means?
I'm not sure what we're doing.
Yeah, it's a term that's being used by people uh in the white community, by and large, again, saying they feel like they've been victimized and they're tired of taking that shit.
You know, that was a girl who was dying alone in public, and that was a guy who was let out 14 times.
Fourteen times, including Violent crimes in the name of racial justice, right?
He didn't have to post bail.
He didn't have to appear back in court.
This is not the first time he's assaulted someone.
How do we know that was in the interest of racial justice as opposed to just being a judge said it?
A fed up attempt at justice, period.
Yeah.
Like the legal system has its flaws.
Yeah.
And people have been making complaints about that for decades, right?
But that's just to me, that's a mental health thing more than it's a black and white thing.
Well, I'll tell you why, because um white people are saying it now.
Right.
Not just white people are saying, hey, we're in.
Well, because you know, I'm white people are 12 times as likely to be killed by a black person any other way around.
I'm just gonna shoot you straight.
It's not even close.
Where?
Across the country.
Where?
Like not in the the United States.
I mean, we're not talking about Ghana.
And and like Yeah.
What I'm saying is in white communities or in quote unquote so-called white communities.
Across the country, the rate is a black man or person, because most murders men, there are very few female murders, 12 times more likely to kill a white person the other way around.
And then you look at the average amount of times that someone in this country is arrested before they're brought in for killing, charged with murder.
Do you know how many times they're at uh arrested on average before they murder?
11 times.
Once again, the justice system's got his its flaws, and people have been complaining about that for years.
We spend more time trying to fix that than trying to complain about the the white versus black of it all.
Well, I I think just like I was trying to listen to all communities last time, I think this is something that's unavoidable.
If this community, if enough white people get pissed off, or they're going, look, we're living in New York now, we're getting killed in record numbers, or Detroit, a 12 times the rate.
And our system, three strikes in California, right?
That was a three-strike policy.
The reason that was changed?
It said it was racist.
Crime went down in black communities 30%.
But now people are looking at their cities going, this is a fing hellscape.
And the murder is skyrocketed because people said in the name of racial justice, like three felonies, you're out.
Because crime is crime, right?
But crime is usually gonna be higher concentrated in areas where there's high poverty.
So typically the areas that's high poverty in this country are areas with people with this color skin.
So that's why you're gonna have that.
That's why I said those numbers could be skewed and and made to manipulate to look like, oh yeah, that's why I said in the world.
Not a 12 times the rate.
Not the right in suburban neighborhoods, white people are not in danger.
And that's what that's what this kind of fear mongering tells them is that you're in danger because you're 12 times more likely to get killed by a black person.
You live in fingers ain't nobody coming after you.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, nobody tripping on you, but that but these people are just as scared as the mother folks that do.
They are if they get on a bus.
Not necessarily if they get on a couple of.
That lady, that lady wasn't in danger because that man was black.
That lady was in danger because that man was crazy.
Nope.
That man was mentally insane.
He's so but why was he back in the past?
He had his own family members call the hospital to try to get him committed.
He told his sister, he killed that woman because he thought she was trying to read his mind.
Yep.
Why was he let out of them?
And I'm not saying it's because he's black.
Yeah, I'm saying people look at it though.
The judge said, She's insane, right?
We agree.
That's not a black and white issue.
He was deemed not fit to stand trial, right?
Right.
Now the institutionalized.
Right.
The IOU policy, meaning you don't have to pay bail.
You don't even have to stay here until you're actually convicted.
You just say you'll come back.
Right.
Which is which is messed up.
Yeah, but that's the right.
The judge, Teresa Stokes, black woman, said, well, this is about racial justice.
We need to be softer on crime.
So that's her reasoning.
That's why he was out.
And you can find dozens of examples.
That's her misguided reasoning.
And that's policy.
But they're but that's hysterical.
It's not representative of a whole.
It's not.
It's not, no, and look, we always have to say, not all, not all, not all, like not all white people wear mug hats and are dumbass pieces of racist sh.
But we have all been accused of racism, sexism, misogyny, homophobia.
What I'm saying is black fatigue is white people going, you know what?
I know I'm not racist.
And I know that we're dealing with record crime, and I know that I'm more at risk, and they have negative interactions, and they're constantly told that they're not allowed to voice their fing opinion because they're white.
And if those people get pissed off, like that's where we actually could end up with some kind of I'm telling you, I see this brewing.
I see people who were milk toast white suburb who are becoming actually racist.
Now, not all of them, but I've seen people actually become racist because they get mugged, their store gets looted, and nothing gets done.
They're going, and if I say something, it's turned into a racing.
I'm telling you what that's where it's coming from.
At what point do we have a talk and go like, okay, let's reform justice, but we have to be honest as to why it was reformed in the first place.
This guy, it's not even the only one.
It's every three days, someone's being offed.
Yeah, but at the same time, let's transfer that over to, you know, I mean, there's a lot of unsafe things in this in this world.
Like getting mugged by a black person is not the paramount unsafe thing.
There's school shootings, there is sure road rage, there's all of that shit.
Yep.
And the primary the primary people that that commit a lot of those are people who don't have this skin.
No.
So if if by if switch it over, if black people say, Well, we getting fed up and we tired of all these school shootings and all of these road raids and all that.
Who do we say something to?
Who hears our voice?
And when does the white fatigue?
And when does the white fatigue kick in?
Well, we've been hearing about white that's the point, right?
We've been hearing about it all our lives about white fatigue, about systemic discrimination.
That's the same thing.
That's why we've done systemic justice reform that has led to more crime, right?
That's the reason for no three strike policy.
That's the reason for cashless fail.
That's the reason for catching release.
The reason for it, in the wake of Black Lives Matter, George Floyd rights, summer of lovers, we're gonna reform crime, we're gonna reform the justice system, and it's gotten worse everywhere it's been, and then when white people leave those neighborhoods, well, now it's white flight.
If they come in, it's gentrification.
And I'm telling you, there are a lot of people who are pissed off, and they're not gonna sit down and have this conversation and be real about it, and they're going, well, what happens when someone has to keep their mouth shut about everything?
Nobody's that's how they feel.
That's how I think that I don't believe white people have to keep their mouth shut.
I think white people don't speak up about a lot of the things that they do and they perpetuate that that affects us negatively.
That's the stuff that nobody wants to that the issues aren't made about those things.
You know, I'm you know, I I really respect the platform that you have because you you do have open and honest conversations.
And I have to say that I don't believe that those numbers about the black people murdering white people are correct.
I don't believe those numbers are correct.
What if they are?
What if I'm not lying to you?
If you're not, then I've been misled and I've been uh isolated from from realistic numbers.
But I know in this country, from the time that we got here and until now, there's never been hordes of black people that just go out and maraud and menace white people.
Now interactions happen and things do occur.
I'm not saying that they don't, but not by enlarging numbers.
We can't be this small a percentage of the overall population and still have the numbers that people try to perpetuate on to us.
See, black people do more harm to other black people than we do to other white people.
Well, that's true.
That's true.
You know, but we're close to the people.
And we also have historical evidence of groups of white people attacking and chasing black people.
Coming after.
So when when people say it's not happening now.
So what happened?
I'm just saying, and that's the point is that a precipice right now.
That's a part of the historical condition.
Well, sure, but someone today, someone today is.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I want to make my goal.
I wasn't finished making my point.
You know, when the the I've like I said, black fatigue, that's the newest, that's the newest mantra that's been put out into society to make people think that, okay, they tired of black people, they're tired of what you said that we can't say anything about black people, we can't do.
Well, when you hold all the power, when you hold all the economic uh rights, when you hold all the uh things that make this country move, when you're in charge of those things, you know what I'm saying?
Well, you know what I'll put it like this.
Black people, white people got the firecrackers, we got the stem.
That's it.
Y'all got the power.
Let me know.
The power is placed outside of the black community.
Can I presume?
We're charged with all the negative things.
Those are the things that are really generally coincide with how people relate to us.
The bad stuff that that's go wrong with this world, it's the black people's fault.
We the smallest, we the smallest part of this country.
Remember that.
You know what I'm saying?
Besides the immigrants that come here.
We we have we have been uh tasked with the the negative, the the criminal, the the immoral.
That's us.
And that's what we consider, that's white fatigue, but you know what we do?
We just say that's just how it's always been.
So we don't make up words for it or terms for it.
So now you have a frustrated group of white constituents that feel like, oh, we can't say anything, we have to do this, we have to do that, so you don't be deemed as that.
Well, if you weren't that in the beginning to start with, there will be no need for the for the re for the reform or the uh the the feelings that you have.
You can't say anything about because you done treated us like for so long, and people finally stood up and said, hey, you gotta stop treating us like now that you won't feel like you know things aren't going in the manner that you want them, now we want the right to start to keep saying those things.
What if your premise is completely flawed?
And what I mean by that is if we're trying to understand it, you said you have power in all those institutions.
Yes.
What if, for example, you have an entire generation of people, young white men, women, who, if they apply to a college or apply to a job, they don't have a grant, there's no Pell Grant, there's no type of subsidy, there's no DEI initiative.
As a matter of fact, they're likely to be passed over.
They hold no institutional power.
And when you say black people haven't done anything, when you think of this white person, a young white person, because I'm seeing some people become radicalized and it can become a problem.
And then they see billions of dollars and riots and damages all summer long, and then they go, why is this happening?
Black lives matter, right?
So they're gonna make that connection.
Now they have no institutional power, but if they go into a neighborhood that's largely black, they're gonna get the shit kicked out of them.
And they're being blamed for something that supposedly their racist forefather did that they have nothing to do with.
You think we're ever gonna have unit?
This is the problem.
Unity, if let's say your dad's a d or your grandfather's a d and you walk up and you slap his teenager, you now have made that person hate you for life.
And that's what I'm seeing with young, not even my generation.
Younger people are going, I had nothing to do with this sh.
They came up during the riots, they've come up under DEI, and they're seeing a 12-time murder rate skyrocketing crime, and any proposals they make, not holding institutional power, shut down his racist.
Now, why was D why why was DEI even instituted in the first place?
Because for the the majority of time that black people have been in this country and being free, we've been denied so much.
Somebody somewhere had to put some things in place to provide access of some kind of.
If you believe that, that's fine, but you can't tell that young white kid who had nothing to do with it that it that he should just sit down and take it.
Especially when they're gonna kill the 12 times a lot of people.
That's what the that's what America's been telling us for the longest.
The young white man has to do with a lot that has to be.
Not in my life, DEI, the young, the young person of this generation that you said that that feels they're misled by the D uh being mistreated by the DEI.
I mean she has an example.
They hold they don't hold any institutional power.
Young white people don't.
They don't have an advantage.
Not yet, because they're young white people, they have an advance to where they're middle-aged white people, where the power comes.
See, what black people, once again, when you got a colleges that did denied access to black people, you can't come here.
Something had to be put in place.
Well, look, y'all got to let some black people come in.
Y'all can't just up to the city.
That's happening long before DEI.
That's right.
All DECO were admitted into college, HPC used to be able to do that.
Hold on, let me say what I'm trying to say.
My bad.
My bad, I'm trying to make it clear.
He's trying to do a senior wences and talk through you.
So that's what I'm saying.
Well, you know, because you try to do that.
DEI is just a new way of wrapping affirmative action.
Yeah.
Affirmative action had to be put in place because there was the access being denied.
So somewhere, somebody, the legislation had to be put in place.
Well, look, we can't just exclude all of them.
So some somewhere, somewhere along the line, they have to be allowed some access.
Okay, that was put in place.
Now, fast forward till now, those same things that are put in place for those people back in those generations that are still in place, they're not excluding people from uh getting to places that's what they're they're still trying to keep those doors open so that those black people that were coming through that door can still get in.
Because if you remove those over time, we will be denied the access of the.
If a black person has lower SATs, right, and lower GPA, should he get in over an Asian or a white person?
Let me ask you.
If if if the if the if the if all if if all if all things are supposed to be laid out equal, no, you shouldn't get if you don't have it, that's what happens.
That's not that it is happening, and I'm telling you, but desert pets, I'm telling you, the majority of what's happening.
That's it is happening in a small part.
It is happening.
DEI has been more beneficial.
I'm a look, I'm a form of commercial contractor, all right?
DEI and affirmative action have benefited white people vastly more so than black people.
All you gotta do is look at the all you gotta do is look at the business ownership or what have you, and you notice that as long as that white female happens to be 51%, then she qualifies as a minority and a double minority because she's white, she's among the minority and business ownership and she happens to be a female, right?
So you look at that based on population dynamics, and that automatically tells you this whole thing about affirmative the whole this whole thing about DEI was number one, not as much targeted to towards blacks as much as it was targeted towards minorities, which includes that LGBTGPT.
All right.
So when we talk about that, we need to really deal with the real problem.
And as it relates to the right, as it relates to the rights, Let me tell you something right now.
Listen, in the black community, I'll be the first thing.
Now we do have intractable problems that are not going to be solved in one conversation.
But what I'm going to say about that as well as the reason why the black community becomes so infuriated, all right, is when you see gross negligence of justice happen or misjustice happening and nobody does anything.
When this guy's when this guy kneeled on this man's neck to George Flaw.
Look, if he if he had done something, when he was subdued and on the ground, what was the real reason for kneeling on his neck except to inflict fatal harm?
What was it?
I can tell you exactly what it was.
And I can tell you why you're not recognizing the problem.
Because the opinion polls, and I'm not saying right or wrong.
The opinion polls have changed on George Floyd since I last spoke with you.
You know why?
All the body camp footage came out.
You know what?
You know why?
Because he was there for 12, 15 minutes, asked to be put in the car, they put him in the car, asked for air conditioning, gave him air conditioning, asked to be taken out of the car, they took him out of the car.
He wouldn't stop moving.
People have watched it now and go, you know what?
It's not what I thought it was.
You know how many times he was arrested before that?
Nine.
He shouldn't have been free.
You know what would have saved him?
Three strike policy.
He robbed a woman at gunpoint with a child in the house.
And so white people look at it, young white people, right?
Who you have to understand during COVID, this is a whole generation of people.
White people did not have any fucking opportunities during COVID.
They didn't get to go to the graduation.
College, black, white, all of them, right?
It's a generation that's pissed, rightfully so, they got screwed.
I think we can agree on that.
They're going, I watched my city burn down for a guy who was arrested nine times and committed violent crimes against women.
What?
Now, you know, let me say that's a travesty of justice.
He shouldn't be able to see.
Let me say the CS.
How many felonies does President Trump have on his record?
Yeah, he was still allowed to occupy them, no criminal felonies.
He has no criminal felonies, but he's got moral felonies, which would, if there was a court of justice for that, he probably would be tried a long time ago.
I mean, let's talk about it.
Is this where we all get on board with crazy white bitches who can accuse man of rape?
She accused 26 men of rape that night.
Here's the reality, though.
And when you look at the convergence of this new uh this new agenda where you're going strictly in the blue cities, why is it that most of those blue cities also happen to be occupied?
The areas they're going in are heavily occupied by minorities.
Why is that so?
Well, because Black people tend to vote Democrat, and they're run by Democrats.
Detroit, you can look at it.
You can look at Chicago, is that what you mean?
I mean, no, that's not what I'm asking you at all.
What I'm asking you is, like I say, with this all-out assault right now.
Just last night they were talking about something in Chicago, right?
But at one o'clock in the morning, you have people in military gear or have you helicopters and all this kind of stuff like this, not just knocking doors down, but dragging people out by the biggest.
Because it's the murder capital of the country.
You just said black people are more harmed by this.
We don't want to take out murderers.
No, no, no, no, no.
I think you I think really when Trulie was you're confusing what I'm trying to say to you.
No, no, what I'm trying to say to you is this though.
If we're gonna talk about the problem, let's talk about the problem in his totality.
The fact about it is when you talk about white America being pissed, white America is gonna always find a reason that doesn't fit their narrative or what have you.
But why what white America fails to talk about, and what never ceases to amaze me is the fact that the biggest threat is not gonna come from blacks, the biggest threat is coming from within.
You look at the average person that's been committing some of the most heinous crimes over the days, is 22 to 29-year-old white males, right?
Look at how look at how they were.
That's just not true, man.
Violent crime.
You just said, like you said, a small percentage of the country, about thirty twelve to thirteen percent, 50 percent of the violent crime, but the murder, a 12 times likelihood.
That's excuse.
If you just so you don't listen to them?
No, I said that that's that particular status skewed.
It's not skewed.
These are from the FBI DOJ.
And you know what else we look at?
We look at we look at Roland Fly uh Fryer from Harvard, who conducted it, black guy, black professor, really respectable guy, honorable man, conducted a study, and he came out and he said, Yeah, all of my research says that black men are zero percent more likely to be shot by police officers than whites.
Black people got so mad at him, he reconducted the study, a black man from Harvard, and he came to the same conclusion, and now he's not black enough.
Wait, wait, so let me see if I understand you clearly.
Yeah.
You're saying, according to this guy's statistics, right, that black people are zero percent less likely to be shot by a white police officer, a liberal professor at Harvard, yes, and he conducted it twice.
Because black people said what you're saying.
He goes, Look, I was as surprised as you.
I was trying to find how much worse it is.
My data showed me it's not.
He reconducted the study an entire time.
Now he did come to the conclusion that an officer is 18 times more likely to be shot than a black man by an officer.
This is a black liberal who studies statistics.
At what point do you listen to him?
And I don't believe in it.
And if he comes out and says something of the sort, there's no telling the backlash that he may not get.
Listen, there are token blacks in every society.
I mean, all you have to do is look back throughout the city.
There we go.
Uncle Tom?
This guy?
Come on.
No, but here's my thing.
Here's my thing, Steve, right?
I'm not I'm not alleging that the guy wasn't Uncle Tom.
But let's be frankly honest.
How many shootings have happened in most recent history that have been that have involved black men that have been unarmed and you sit here and use that analogy that black men's analogy times?
Listen, as a totally blind individual, listen, I'm even apprehensive.
That was an incident where the police stopped us, and it was my cousin and I, my cousin is a retired military veteran, what have you, right?
And immediately when we got out of the car, out of fear of possibly being shot, the first thing I did was raise my cane and say, Officer, I said, listen, I am totally blind before we get out of hand with this, right?
Now, I shouldn't have to have had to react like that.
But when you start looking at the what's really happening in this country, many times these deal.
I don't care if you put on a uniform, you can't legislate the heart of a man in his intent, all right?
And many times these officers do allow that badge to give them impunity to operate and exercise their racism.
Let's be honest here, Steve.
Some of them some of them do.
By the way, I just find it funny that when I came up and shook your hand, you didn't tell me you were blind this whole time.
I was like, I must have woke you up.
You couldn't have said, dude, I'm fing blind.
I was like, I'm bad, I'm sorry.
This whole thing, please throw that out there like a fing cluster bomb.
I'm like, So you should have waved his thing when you came in.
That's like an asshole in the middle of the room.
That's what I told you when you said, is he sleep behind the glasses?
I was like, no, you just can't see you.
I thought you were making a s joke.
I said, oh my God, here's this kind of saying a song.
That's okay.
He forgetting blind sometimes.
I had no idea.
No, man, but you know, me and the other thing.
Yeah, but I do I but you're yeah, I agree you can't legislate what's in a man's heart.
Yeah.
But you can't throw out everything.
You can't go that scat skewed.
That black guy from Harvard who was always a liberal who did it twice, it's skewed.
You can't throw it out.
How often do you see black police killing unarmed white people?
Never.
Actually, how often do you see that?
Very good.
Well, I tell you, actually, the stats show that when you're dealing with armed white people versus black uh armed people, white armed people are more likely to be shot by the cops in black.
White armed people are more armed to kill police officers.
White armed people.
Let's call the stats a wash on that.
Here's what I do know.
Everyone wanted the body cam footage, and I I agree.
I was like, we should have body cam footage, we should have accountability for police officers, right?
And we were to believe after the era of remember we went through Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Mike Brown, obviously George Floyd.
There were so many that you could use as examples.
We thought that we'd have a rash of body cam footage showing us the police brutality.
You haven't seen body cam footage of note in the last year.
Once that footage came out, it's about a 20 to one ratio where you see someone getting violent with an officer.
We have not seen what we were thought we would see.
And now people are going, uh, okay, so maybe not the body cam footage.
Right?
We thought we'd see all the abuse.
What about the body cam footage where we see white people and white police and the white person the white citizen is being belligerent with the police, but the police showing extreme restraint in dealing with that person.
Whereas black people will reach for your wallet, bow, you get shot.
I got a phone in my hand.
Bow you get shot.
And that's not that's I'm not doing anything.
Wow, you get shot.
The stats don't reflect it.
But white people are being killed in record numbers right now, and they're pissed.
And if you keep just not listening to them, look, like you said, white people in the majority of this country, you have young white people who are getting more and more f mad.
I'm just telling you the truth.
What they're mad at, they're mad because this one.
Here's why.
Here's why.
They go, look, I'm 12 times more likely to be killed by a black person than you are than you are a white person.
And you go, well, that doesn't count.
They go, look, my dad's business got burned down.
Wait, my city got burned down.
I've been accused of being a racist, even though I'm not.
And I'm looking at this right now, and I'm not allowed to have an opinion, and I can't go into certain neighborhoods because I get my ass kicked, and then you just say, Yeah, yeah, but you've had systemic power.
That is a surefire way to bring racism.
Let's be frank about that, Steve.
Now, first of all, here's why I just disagree with you emphatically, right?
Number one, when it is historically proven when there are riots, and this is the crazy part, most times we as blacks we tend to riot in our own neighborhood for the same reason why we're not 12 times likely to kill a white person, because of the that fact that the penalty is going to be much harsher, okay?
If black people really were going to, if black people were really the kind of threat and minister white people as we're gonna sit here and say that they are, never mind the stats.
There's no way in the world that most of us will still be here.
Because guess what?
You guys would find a way to deal with the problem if it is from a multiplicity of angles, all right?
So, like I say, when I'm saying this right now, when they did deal with it.
Who controls that narrative, Steve?
We did, we did deal with it.
You know what we dealt with it in liberals in blue cities?
Cashless bail.
Cashless bail, catch and release.
We did everything that was demanded.
Defunded the police in certain neighborhoods.
Guess what?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Well, here's the deal.
No, I will say it's true.
That's what I'm saying.
It's mostly black women.
It's mostly black activist women.
They're not representative black black men.
I get that.
Just like the guy who, just like the guy who killed the lady on the bus that you were talking about earlier, right?
He doesn't represent black America and what he did.
I mean, listen, here's what he does.
Just listen to me here.
Here's what he does.
Here's what he does to a lot of people.
This is what I'm just trying to-cause last time I sat and listened, but I want you to hear something really important.
Here's where he does.
Young white, that person's parents, that person's relatives, look at it and go, wait a second.
This guy was out 14 times.
And the reason he was out 14 times was because a black female judge in the name of restorative justice who has received funding from NGOs said we're gonna have cashless bail and catch and release and the IOU policy in the name of racial justice.
So people are going, my daughter's dead because it would have been racist to keep this guy in jail.
You need to understand that, right?
But you understand it though, right?
Because you just made those same judgments about people who existed 150 years ago.
Yeah.
This is someone's sister.
Her flawed judgment does not represent the opinion of black people, number one.
Okay, it represents a systemic correction.
And you know what the problem really is?
When you defund when you defund our opportunities to provide adequate psychiatric and uh uh institutionalization for those kind of people, that wouldn't have happened.
Because let me tell you something, as a if even as a black person as a judge, if you come before me 11 times with all of the information that you provided me with, you know what?
Before I release you, you know what?
I'm gonna have you committed to an institution because number one, the greater good is for me to preserve public integrity, and that's on both sides of the spectrum.
I don't give a damn if you're black or white.
Why do you think they're not committing him to an institution?
Because there's no funding available.
No, no, there's no funding.
They were shut down in the name of restorative racial justice.
And his family.
That's why he wasn't institutional.
And his family, his family.
He should have been in prison.
His family pushed against it in certain eye.
Like they would, there's certain some of them cases where they were in court, his family was saying, don't put him in there.
I know.
And who gives a shit?
I'm just saying that's not that's part of it, but when you only include the part that says the judge, you're not giving the whole story.
And that's what media ends up doing that that creates these tensions in people.
They only they they straw man's conversation and only tell part of it.
The tension is there.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.
The tension is already there.
White people are afraid to go in black neighborhoods because black people be afraid to go to school because a white person go come shoot the school.
Right.
Because every time we see.
That's what he's not even.
It's not even church.
But now you're going to ignore it.
I'm scared to go to church.
You're scared to go to church, but you're sitting in the barbershop with almost 12 black men.
Come on, Steve.
Now, let's be realistic.
Who do you think is more at risk sitting down?
Exactly.
He's not in danger.
I don't know arrest.
I mean, we don't do that.
You know, I just watched my friends.
You know I just watched my friend die.
Steve, let me say this.
No, that I know what I feel bothers me about white people, and this is kind of weird.
Well, no, no, not everyone.
We smell like wet dog or some sh I've heard all this.
No, let me tell you what, let me tell you what part of me about white people.
Let's let's be honest here, because I'm I work with a lot of white people, so I have nothing against them at all.
Let me be honest with you.
But the problem that I the biggest problem that I have is that you you constantly get bombarded with the excuses, all right?
When you really come down to, let's be honest, man, and then let's be really truthful with one another.
Ask yourself, what do you expect when you look at architectural oppression, economic depravity, and social disparity?
What would you call it?
Bad decisions.
Huh?
Bad decisions.
Bad decisions.
Yeah, I think right now in 2025, it's bad decisions.
I think everyone can make bad decisions.
And you know what?
I'll go, I'll I'll even go here with you, in all fairness, I think that's absolutely true.
So my question for you is how do we move past this?
Yeah.
Okay.
I agree with you.
I agree.
Here's, and I think maybe we'll find some common ground here.
If we agree there is personal accountability and bad decisions.
And I think we also all agree that feminist white b are the worst demographic in the country, along with lesbians.
There's a great book that says that they were probably saying that.
Like I'm telling you, like I believe me.
I'm a let me just clarify.
And I mean that.
Angry white feminist bitches and lesbians, because if they didn't vote, we wouldn't have half of the sh.
But this is one thing I appreciate about black men that white men are so bright.
Black men can talk about these things, and black men are okay being masculine.
White men are told it's sexist.
There's a lot there.
Personal accountability decisions.
Now just take that and apply it.
What you kind of just did here is you blamed white people without realizing it for systemic discrimination, and that removes autonomy from a white person to be accountable and also rewarded for their good decisions.
So if we agree it's bad bad decisions, personal accountability, we'd all be against reparations, and we'd all be against the criminal justice reform.
I'm definitely for reparations.
See that to me, you said excuse.
That sounds like an excuse to me.
You didn't pay me back.
You ain't paid me for what you owe me.
What did I take from you?
You can't start another big thing.
What did I take until you paid if okay?
What did you do?
I did from you.
You didn't take your ancestors.
But you just said you.
Well, when I say you, I meant it as a youth of the response.
But can you understand why white people here can get pissed off?
Yeah, yeah.
But they got mad about the advantages that will build into their lives.
So you want young people to pay.
Sounds like an excuse.
He went up paying us back, even when I'm paying us back, Steve.
No, my thoughts are on this here.
Give us an opportunity to exercise our ability and our autonomy.
I'm gonna give you a perfect example.
There's a gal right now, her name is Joy Reed.
Look upon a channel.
Oh, I know Joy Reid.
She's out of the mind.
Look at her educational background.
You don't think Harvard gave her a degree just because she was a black person or DEI, do you?
I think she's an idiot.
Okay, so uh not because she's black, but she's an idiot.
Okay, so I'm you're you're entitled to it.
I think Ben Jones is smart, and I disagree with him.
Joy Reed has said things that are so verifiably untrue, it's insane.
Okay, so as a man, I'm gonna uh I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna indulge you and say, hey, you know what?
I'm not gonna indulge you.
I'm gonna respect your opinion, your frame of thought on that, right?
I beg to differ tremendously, but nevertheless, though, that does that's why we're having this open discussion.
But let's really talk about where we need to go from here on, and that is the fact that black black people have every sense of entitlement as it relates to having reparations.
And I'm gonna tell you why, right?
Because nobody has ever been as more loyal to white people despite the treatment than black people have, right?
Nobody, you show me one race.
You know what?
They make options and opportunities available when other uh ethnicities come here or what have you, that we will never get a chance to have, right?
And then they turn around and tell us, stop asking about reparations.
Whenever we want to ask for equality and fairness, it's a problem.
So white America.
So it spends several trillion dollars.
When is it enough?
Wait, spend seven trillion dollars on what's going to spend it on.
Okay, let's go back to Lyndon Johnson, model.
Linda Johnson, you're talking about the moral property, is that what we're talking about?
1965.
How was that done?
All right, but here's the deal.
What about the Department of Education?
Here's the deal.
So now you're saying the Department of Education, let's go back to the Department of Education.
Okay, so take it off.
Hold on, Steve.
Hold on, no, no, I was I didn't answer your question.
All right.
The reason that this was given, right, when you're talking about the Great Society program, the reason when you look at the Model Cities program, herbal urban planning, eight billion dollars into Detroit, adjusted for inflation.
The reason that, and I don't know if you know this, uh, black students in this country get more spending per people than white students.
I don't know if you know that, that's an actual fact, even in impoverished neighborhoods through public funding.
These were the reparations that were asked of white people throughout each decade, given, and then we're told, no, no, that's not the real one.
They were given, whether you'd like them or not, whether you think they work or not.
And by the way, I think they're dog sh.
I think we should completely suspend the Federal Department of Education.
I think the Texas state could do a much better job, but those were done in the name of racial reparations because they were demanded.
And now it's not enough.
You say that, Steve, listen.
I agree with you.
Because it's so why would they do that?
It's not because it's not just because it was done in the name of racial justice that it was done incorrectly.
The reason for it.
I'm saying that's the reason for it, but along what along the way of trying to achieve racial justice, you just did it wrong.
But let me ask you, that's my point.
You said that's the same.
People did it the way we were.
Your approach was wrong.
So now you make some 20-year-old kid pay?
No, but you came up and said something that's just a good idea.
You said that you said that you're against the Department of Education, right?
Let me tell you.
Federal Department.
Yeah, Federal Department of Education.
Let me tell you something that has come up in a lot of circles that I'm always talking about as a person with a disability.
The Department of Education does a lot more in terms of even with the enforcement of Section 504, right?
504 says that you must have accommodation for individuals with disabilities, right?
Perfect example of when you walked in, when you walked in, or someone just walked in.
Did you hear what that thing said?
Right, left.
Go down to Austin.
Let me tell you something.
When you suspend the Department of Education, you're also telling the remaining 36 million people in this country who have disabilities.
You know what?
Screw you, figure it out.
We don't have to do anything, okay?
And this is another reason going back to what we said with the black America.
If you don't have certain mechanisms in place to ensure that there is a fair and level playing field, right?
Guess what?
The cut the controlling party that's in power or what have you are not gonna say, hey, wait a minute, let's look at this other disenfranchised segment of the community or what have you, and see how can we propose the colour.
I'll just use you of that notice.
Okay, let me disabuse you of that notion.
Go ahead.
Over three trillion dollars adjusted for inflation, right?
The Department of Education, early 70s.
Okay, before that, they were run by states.
Over three trillion dollars.
What are math scores?
What are literacy scores now?
In both sides.
Depends on what part of the country asking that about.
Across the board.
Across the board.
Go there because we'll tell you why you can't go to the store.
I'll answer the question.
Let me because then I'll show you an example of something that actually works because we need solutions.
They're across the board down.
In other words, three trillion dollars test scores are worse.
And they're even worse in poor areas where there's more spending.
Do you know where black students in New York City actually do really well?
White Catholic schools, where they have more students per teacher.
On average, 35 plus.
In other words, they have fewer teachers.
It's done privately.
Charter now, charter school school choice is something I support for that means for everyone in this country.
Can't do it because it's racist.
Let's look at the academia though, okay?
That's why you start when you start talking about that, you know, what have you, when you talk about test scores, we can go just south, north versus south, or what have you.
Let's look at the quality of education that's in these schools or what have you.
Are you gonna tell me that it's a standardized uh academic agenda that's promoted throughout this country?
Or is it a fact that some people have a different education level than black?
Listen, I work with people who are in the world.
They're bad across the board.
I work with people every day that are out in the north that have far excelled in absolute true test.
Then we have inverse.
Right.
There's no good.
There's in here.
And what I'm saying is, here's something where we can find common.
I've proposed this, many people have it.
We go, look, instead of giving money to a school, like you say, some of these schools suck, right?
Instead of just putting, let's say the average spending is $15,000 per student.
That's a rounded number.
It's anywhere from 13 to 50.
Okay.
If instead of putting that money in the administrative costs at a school, what you do is you say, okay, that's a grant.
That's a voucher that attaches to the student, and they can take it to any school they want, so they have to compete.
So that kid can now choose where they go to school.
Can't do it because it's racist.
But racist.
People say black kids would still be stuck in sh schools than white kids.
Why?
Well, see, that comes because they wouldn't be able to transport themselves out of a bad neighborhood.
So right now they're stuck with one school.
So so when you break, when you start asking those whys and go down the rabbit hole of why and start asking, okay, well, why would somebody say that?
Well, this is why.
Well, I'll tell you why they really say it.
And the teachers' unions.
Because the teachers' unions?
Yeah.
It doesn't make sense.
In other words, if a black kid right now is in certain communities where they don't have certain resources, it's a lot of kids that I once again.
I live in I've lived in I've raised my kids, graduated three kids from I've I've been afforded some things in this community that some people down south don't have.
Yeah, right?
That's a fact.
And and I'm some of these school events, I'm I'm questioning them like, well, how the hell y'all expect us to have jobs and still transport these kids to and from these events all throughout the day.
But if them people down there had to do it.
So you think what we're doing now is better.
Because they ain't got transmission.
Have them ain't got transportation.
I think we need to go back to the real truth in the realm.
Because it's because that's what I'm saying.
Because they're in impoverished areas, and we already know, based on how we see that.
So don't fix it.
We'll say as long as you're high.
Don't say no.
That's horse shit.
There's food there.
You're on a personal smartphone.
You can literally order any food that's ever existed on earth to anyone who's cheaper than ever.
If you're in an area that already has a lack of resources and you're already low income, how are you gonna order something?
Amazon one click.
But see, here's the speech.
We're talking about 2025.
Come on.
I think there's a broader problem that we will not discuss.
And you know what that is?
You've got to go all the way back.
This has been an insidious process that's been at work.
And the bad part about it is as long as we as white and black America keep fighting among each other, we'll never see the big picture.
You go back to 1982 under Charlotte T. If the department of secretary under Ronald Reagan, Department of Education, she wrote a good expose many, many years later called the deliberate dumbing down of America.
She kind of patted that after that BF skinarian behavioral modification.
And it ties all into the founder before the Department of Education, which was general education board, where they say, you know what?
We don't need more painter, we don't need more artists, or we don't need more poets.
We just want good cops in a will that are easily taught that we can mold under our own hand.
That mantra still holds true today.
So you gotta look at the you gotta look at where we come from.
We come from a nation that was industrious and coupled with innovation to now, everybody tends to do things like you say with your smartphone.
You know why?
Because pictures keep you from looking at things contextually, all right?
So when you think about this educational system, you gotta go back to what changed in this educational system and why we're where we are.
Because you can't just sit down.
I just said yeah, but you can't just simply say that everybody wants to be dumb, or everybody in the South.
I don't say everybody wants to be dumb.
Okay, well, tell you this too.
Here's another problem why scores are so much more in this country, especially when you talk about black people because money doesn't fix a problem.
It's that's money doesn't fix it.
We've thrown money at the problem and it doesn't do solve the problem that's a core root of it and start reforming the real academia, all right?
That's where you solve the so you know what you tell people, we're gonna operate in a system of meritocracy.
God damn it, you will eat what you kill.
If you've given you 50,000 to go to school and you decide that you don't want to, or you fail to adhere to what's being presented before you, then shame on you.
I agree.
You do away with DEI, you do away with the sexual.
What do you want to DEI no?
Do it without DEI but make it fair across the point.
That's what I'm saying.
I agree.
If you're gonna do it from the world, if you're gonna do away with DEI, you gotta make sure that the merits are properly being counted.
Because the reason why DEI was invented, reason why affirmative action was invented, is because you'd have two qualified candidates, same qualifications, but one would get in strictly because his name was Johnny and the other one's name was was Jamal.
Well, we got we're gonna take Johnny.
Because naturally, Johnny's gonna be better at this, but they got the same qualifications.
That's why affirmative action was instituted in the first place.
DEI can't be a good thing.
Now we're here.
Shrinking white feminist wanted to claim credit.
That's a snapshot you can present it in.
But I agree with you.
I agree.
That's a snapshot you can present it in, but I'm just saying, like the reason why.
I'm being I'm being flippant, but the truth is people were being black people were being admitted in record numbers if they had the same qualifications before DEI and affirmative action.
White shrieking feminist wanted to take credit for something that was already happening because people had become less racist, so they can say, tag my white name on there, DEI.
See what I did for black people?
It's white guilt.
And what I'm trying to tell you is young people who have nothing to do with any of this.
Their guilt is running out, and you can't escape the violent murder rate.
You can't escape them losing opportunities and being blamed for being racist when they're not.
You want those kids to pay reparations?
You're creating a generation of racists.
That's what's gonna happen.
And then you're gonna have a creating DIY.
Then you gotta have said we as a black community, we're not creating a race a generation of racist.
You know who's creating that generation, the racists?
Those older white people are feeding that into their kids.
See, all white people are not racist.
I don't believe that.
No, of course, but the ones that come from families that have that inherent uh gene or trait in them, they're passing that on.
How I look at this, uh, the gentleman, the gentleman, the gentleman that got killed, uh, Charlie.
He was killed by a white man, a young white man, right?
The uh uh from the generation that you're talking about that's getting fed up.
Well, he was also banging a s.
His dad, his dad had one ideology, he followed another ideology.
That's out the same household.
He didn't come from nowhere black.
He wasn't hanging around with no bunch of black people.
I know I agree.
His daddy put whatever was into him, he either dad either put that into him or his rebellion from his father caused him to think like that.
That we're not creating that.
Black people are.
That is nothing with what I'm saying.
If we ever see you ever seen over in Africa, you see an elephant with a bird riding on his back.
That elephant ain't worried about that bird, because that bird not stopping him from doing the thing he wants to do.
We're the bird.
No, we're the bird.
Just burned down four billion dollars worth of cities and 60,000 assaults.
No, no, no, no, no.
And what young white people are.
Right.
The bird, the bird is half as big as the elephant.
You act like it's only blacks that was burning the kids.
No, what I said earlier, and you just want to say is when you have young white person going, okay, why is this happening?
And people go, black lives matter, and they go, well hold on a second, I have an opinion on black lives matter.
They go, well, sit down, shut up.
Okay, now silence is violence.
And that kid goes, well, what do I do?
By the way, you're on the hook for reparations, even though his father, his grandfather, his great-great-grandfather didn't own a slave and he's still 12 times more likely to be killed by a black person the other way around.
What I'm saying is society is going to create a generation of racists.
What do you say to that young white kid?
What do you say to him?
Stop watching, stop stay off of TikTok.
Stop reading stabs.
Stop paying attention to what these what these talking heads are saying because they're leading you down the wrong path.
They're leading you down a path of paranoia and conspiracy theories.
What if their interactions with black people in general are quite negative?
Well, we're in it now, and we're going to continue next Thursday, October 16th, on the next installment of Black and White on the Gray Issues.
Do you realize that you could take all the white people in this country?
And if you're gonna add up to everyone where you could actually trace the lineage to slave owners or had any involvement, you would end up with maybe two or three percent.
You shouldn't be getting anything.
That's Charlie Kirk shouldn't be shot.
So my question is.
But how is this what is it?
How is this relevant?
So here's something that's important, right?
Because Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
Let's be clear about this, and we're both agreeing, because people believed a lot.
Somebody gotta get them tweeted out the ground.
Somebody got to do that.
White people are not gonna do that.
Of course you will.
Once again, when the work got hard, that's when they went and got slaves.
Yeah, white dogs know hard work.
Can I ask you something real talk?
Why was having real talk?
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