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For three, okay, from $77,000, $3,000 is quite a bit.
The New York Post does have some bangers for sure.
Yeah, that's a real thing, dude.
I just can't trust you.
New Jersey is a great place for it.
I just can't trust you.
Yeah.
It's a bedminster.
All right, fine.
Okay, listen, Napoleon's penis is floating around.
I got it.
That's my favorite sandwich at Jersey Mike's, by the way.
Napoleon's penis.
Yeah, it's ENP.
We are, as a species and as a race, we are sometimes really freaking stupid.
At some point, I'm like, maybe we should, maybe aliens should come now.
Would you rather not have his penis?
Like, I don't understand why.
Yes, yes, I feel like.
I feel like we have his penis in someone's possession.
The stupid thing was that he wasn't executed the first time they exiled him.
They exiled him.
Okay, listen, maybe you have a valid history.
I will come back and say, I will do another war.
And then he did.
Exactly.
And then the British had to help with some way that he was housed on some British island.
Listen, listen, listen.
Listen, I don't care about any of that.
I don't care about any of that.
The fact that we're talking about this man's penis being a collector's item later on, like it just, it's pretty cool.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's pretty cool, dude.
You know who else was cool?
Hey, it's an investment.
Japan, not the other thing.
I can't even, I can't get my wife to pay for my penis.
Good lord.
Well, don't worry.
It will end up.
$77,000 for this guy's tiny little shriveled up penis.
If I have anything to do with it, it is going to end up in Columbus, Ohio, just as retribution for Napoleon's lie story that you told me.
I'm sticking to it.
You can't prove otherwise.
Real story.
There is a worldwide nationalist, not, don't go too far with that, but nationalist pushback against globalism in places like Italy, Poland, France, Hungary, Hungaria, Hungary.
You guys, you guys know us.
We're imperfect beings.
You're hungrier than me.
I know chat right now is loving this every single time.
You guys love when pain is brought to individuals.
You should really do some soul searching.
Not individuals.
I'm not sure if Chat's loving any of this.
They like it.
El Salvador.
Argentina.
Reform and reclaim in the United Kingdom, whatever.
And Reclaim had to outright reform because that's how pissed they are about it.
Yes, they weren't anti-immigration enough.
Correct.
Shout out to Rupert Lowe.
Yeah.
See you on the show, hopefully.
Yeah, there you go.
So listen, globalism is a failure.
This whole borderless kind of society, it's not going to work.
It didn't work in Europe, and it's just been this slow march towards extinction for them.
But it's not stopping the elite from trying to push it even more.
I wonder why.
Even when it is least wanted in places.
Now, that brings us to Japan.
Japan's conservative LDP just selected its new leader and likely new Japanese prime minister.
And this one's slightly different from the past.
Japan's ruling Liberal Democratic Party has started a new week with a new leader.
Former economic security minister Takaichi Sanae has become LDP's chief female president and is set to be the first woman to serve as Japanese prime minister.
We're going to make fun of the Japanese just a little bit in this, but it's not for any other reason than I respect the hell out of their work.
They're very great ally right now.
Love you guys in Asia.
And Lane makes this point all the time.
If you ever call Israel our greatest ally, you should shut the hell up.
You should.
You don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah, this lady has the work ethic of a Toyota.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A million miles on.
I don't know.
Is that part of it?
Okay, anyway.
Trump posted about this on True Social just this morning.
Japan has just elected its first female prime minister, a highly respected person of great wisdom and strength.
It's just not the same without Stephen reading it.
I don't know.
It just kind of falls flat.
This is tremendous.
Japan has just selected its first female prime minister.
Wow.
Sounds like Louis Anderson.
A highly respected person of great wisdom and strength.
This is tremendous news for the incredible people of Japan.
Congratulations to President Donald Trump.
No, congratulations to all.
I can see Donald J. Trump.
It's pretty good, right?
Good job.
That was great.
We should totally have you do that as a stand-in.
So that, yeah, this next one's not actually coming from Japan.
It's coming from Blue Sky.
So just try not to set you up for the leftists that are on Blue Sky, like this gal from, she actually lives in Japan if she's on Blue Sky.
No.
No, but she says she does.
This is bad, Lal.
Takachi is a member of the Nippon Kaigi.
Yeah.
Did I get it?
Wow.
I need faster confirmations.
I'm out here on the list.
If it was wrong, I would have said it was wrong.
Okay, you're fine.
Supports the revision of Article 9 and much like her idol, Margaret Thatcher, has extremely regressive views of women's rights, among other things.
Fascist.
So it's the fascist thing.
That quote, no, we could have looked high and low, and everything kind of sums up that sentiment from the left: this is, you know, the Donald Trump of Japan.
This is a fascist.
This is Margaret Thatcher, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like the countries we listed earlier, this seems to be the refrain.
Anytime somebody comes in and says, hey, it's actually good to kind of prioritize our own citizens and to make sure that people aren't coming here illegally and like draining resources from us.
It's not saying everybody who comes here from another country is a drain on society.
That's a different concept, right?
And it certainly isn't saying Judens, right?
So just don't go to the Hitler comparison so quickly.
But here are the, oh boy.
Whoa!
I forgot we had that.
I forgot we had Japanese Hitler.
Bring it back up.
It's Chinese Hitler, but it's Chinese.
That's true.
That is Chinese.
Well, we're going to fit that in every time that we can.
So here are the policies of apparently Hitler.
Anti-feminists.
They require married, not they, which would require married couples to share last name.
Is that current?
It's current law, but there's been push from the feminists.
Get rid of them and get rid of them.
No hyphen.
Hey!
This was going to be a serious thing.
It was going to be.
Lane's like, I'm not going to put this out to anybody.
I saw this, but not that joke segment.
Yeah.
Not a joke segment.
No.
Male-only imperial succession.
How is that?
That's not like that drastic.
No, but again, there's these forces and the progressives in every country that gets a smaller voice in a place like Japan or Korea that still want to push these kind of progressive policies.
And one of those theoretically would be, let's make the emperor a chick now, make it lame and gay.
What does that mean?
Male-only imperial succession?
What does that mean?
The emperor.
The emperor can only be a male, so they can't pass it off to his daughter or so on.
So for them.
Oh, they still have an emperor?
Yes.
They do.
Do we let them do that?
That was literally part of them surrendering.
That was like the condition of surrender.
That's crazy.
Pretty much we have to keep the emperor.
I get it.
But the prime minister makes all the rules.
Yes.
Yeah.
Or kind of.
It's the same thing that you have going.
Well, not making the rules, but it's not apples apples, but it is like the queen somewhere.
So much more revered, godlike.
Or I guess the king now.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Well, God save the king, I guess.
I don't know.
Maybe the king should save England.
Who knows?
You know, real fascists would have made a policy that made her the emperor.
That would be true.
You really are going to fascist the right way.
But she is kind of a China hawk, which I think is very much necessary.
Takashi?
Chinese hawkshi, much smaller than the American hawker.
Takayishi, sorry.
Has been extremely outspoken on the threat China poses, rightfully so.
I think that's very reasonable.
Does everybody see that in Japan, or are they kind of trying to decide?
Her predecessor was a little bit more tame on kind of voicing.
What does tame look like?
Saying that they're not an existential threat, but knowing they might be, or they just don't say it out loud as much.
Okay, I mean, it's very clear by their policy, but even she took it a little bit further where she wants to institute this new kind of anti-espionage law because she came out flat.
We had this clip, it was a little hard to understand.
Yeah, but she's essentially saying, listen, every Chinese citizen the world over, including the ones that live in Japan, are subject to the national security law of China, which makes them a spy at the drop of a hat.
Say that I'm a Chinese living in Japan, and the Chinese government says we need you to get X information for us.
They're required to do it by law.
So she doesn't want, she wants to get rid of that, or she wants to make sure there's a countermeasure against that.
She wants to make it much harder for them to do it.
For Chinese citizens that are in Japan, correct, and much harder for them to buy property, much like you've seen DeSantis or Abbott.
So she's along those same lines.
The thing is, this is kind of reflected by a bunch of people in her party.
It's just she's more aggressively vocal about it and has kind of a more eclectic past.
Should you say that we're going to do so?
People feel like they can jump on the fascist sort of stigma a little bit more, but it's just not working.
It's the same tired argument that we've heard.
And the Chinese are really pissed about her.
Well, I understand.
Which makes me like her more.
Well, but in response to her election, China state propagandist Li Jingjing wrote on X: As Japan has elected an extreme right-wing person, Sane Takeishi, to be the next leader, I'd like to remind everyone: war criminals are not heroes.
Okay.
Okay, Mao.
Thank you.
But this.
How many statues of that guy do they have?
He's on every piece of currency in the country.
Yeah, well.
And his entombed body is still on.
His embalmed body is in the forbidden city.
Not the Forbidden City.
It's in Tiananmen Square.
Not Ohio?
No, it's not.
Come on.
Join Napoleon's penis in New Jersey.
Live a little.
But this quote was actually accompanied by this strange video.
The West has tried really hard to make the whole world forget about the Asian theater of World War II.
Almost as hard as how they tried to make people forget about Jeffrey Epstein's client list.
And that's why you see stupid five-star Google reviews on the Yasu Kuri shrine like this.
They devoted themselves to their sweet homeland.
That's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer devoted himself to being a foodist.
He didn't have to devote himself to skin products.
Maybe you guys propped up El Chapo, so please STF you on that one.
That's all I have to say.
They also spelled it Al Chapo.
Like it was named El Chapo.
So, yeah, they're bitching because she has made visits to the Yasukuni Shrine, which is where a lot of their war criminals are buried.
Oh.
So the Chinese get real pissed about this every couple months.
The Koreans, too, to be fair.
Well, a lot of them.
Japan did some stuff.
It is rather controversial, I suppose, but any reason for the Chinese media to shit on Japan, they're going to do it.
Yeah.
And listen, we've talked to you before about some of the funny commercials that we've seen in Japan and how they treat foreigners.
But let's say that Takeishi is what we would also call an immigration hardliner.
You know what?
I'll...
Just in case you're listening on audio and you didn't have a chance to read that, essentially go home.
Yeah.
And don't come here.
And if you say that you're coming here as a refugee and you have economic motives, stores closed.
Like that's basically, she's saying everything that we've been saying about the United States and how we should be treating borders and how we should be treating immigration.
And you should be able to come and benefit this society and learn how to be one of us.
That is the thing.
There's this weird elitist kind of idea in places like Geneva, you know, or wherever you want to go.
Where's the every year?
In Switzerland.
Why can't I think of it?
Or the thing?
Davos?
Davos, right?
The kind of the Davos or Brussels elite that want to remake the entire world and their idea of like a Western democracy, which isn't even really Western anymore, which is just, you know, unfettered immigration and multiculturalism.
And now when the Japanese start seeing just a little bit of that, it's like, oh, this isn't working at all.
There's a lot of fear-mongering that says there's like a million Indians coming.
That's not necessarily true.
But the fact is, you can go look at the look at the tourism in Japan or look at the Chinese people that show up to this prime minister or the likely prime minister are really pissed because she's from a place called Nara.
That's where the deer are.
If you've seen the really peaceful deer that you can go and look at, when the Chinese tourists will go up there and like F with the deer, essentially, hit the deer and kind of torture them a little bit.
And she got real pissed off about that.
But that's just one among other things when these people try to come into that society and don't abide by it.
No.
They don't abide by the rules.
So for her to say, actually, Japan, we have low crime.
We have a good society that functions very well, good public transportation, XYZ.
Maybe we don't need to bring in a bunch of third worlders that have nothing in common with our traditional culture.
In fact, probably would like to overthrow every component of that culture if given the opportunity to do so.
Because Japan does represent the West in a lot of ways.
It's not necessarily a Western society, but it's much more aligned with kind of the Western tradition, at least, especially, you know, since the Meiji Restoration and especially since World War II.
Yeah.
Well, and I hope we lean into that because I agree with you.
That's a very, very, very strong ally.
Probably the number one ally in the world.
You could argue that Britain, fine, I understand that too.
But like farming letting happen to themselves.
No, I know, exactly.
So we want to make sure that our allies don't, you know, fall.
But here's, here's where some of the controversy does come in.
So this is the Hitler part.
And again, Hitler bad every time, right?
Hitler bad.
Every once in a while, there's something where you can pull like a kernel of truth and go like, ah, okay, well, here we go.
Yeah, Hitler bad.
In 2014, Takeishi endorsed a book titled The Hitler Election Strategy, A Bible for Certain Victory in Modern Elections.
Okay, well, that's I get the difficulty there.
Okay, so listen, I think that, you know, before we go too far down that road, it actually turns out she also co-authored a book on demolition in the late 90s called Boom Buddies.
Yeah, so I don't.
She saw it coming.
Really picking your spots there, aren't you?
That's just over the line.
Yeah, Hitler, okay, fine.
We can talk, but I draw the line at blowing up the World Trade Centers.
That's true.
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's weird.
That's a weird place to draw the lines.
I draw them further back.
I certainly draw them.
You should draw the line.
Before Hitler.
Like, I go even further than you, I guess.
I don't know.
Maybe it's just me.
But listen, it's funny because when we talk about Hitler, there are people on the right, far extreme.
Right.
And not like a mainstream at all view that will look at Hitler and go, oh, see, he was just trying to preserve culture or the Jews were controlling banks.
And that's really what the problem was.
And that was a problem.
It was part of a problem in Europe and other places in the world where there was some consolidation that you had to work through and figure out.
And there were social issues in certain places that Hitler was trying to address.
Here's the problem.
It's the methods that he chose to address the real problems that they did have.
That was the issue.
And I don't understand how people can lose sight of that.
So, a strategy that Hitler used to win elections by being a good orator and kind of stirring up crowds and getting them going, it's okay to look at that and go, hey, it would probably be a good idea if you're looking at kind of the blueprint, which is what it seems this book is doing.
Looking at a blueprint to win elections, it's like, hey, there's a strategy there about speaking to the every man's concerns.
Now, Hitler did it in a dishonest, bad, maniacal kind of way, but it doesn't mean that the strategy is wrong.
And the author, to lots of Hitler bad.
To his credit, I mean, where you'll give the credit, he did say, listen, we can let history judge him on his authoritarianism and how he treated the Jews.
That's a different question.
Yeah, this is specifically how he sort of mobilized the population behind an idea rhetorically.
It's not saying go out and kill your political opponents, although he says they should be exercised from political discussion and political participation.
Did he say they're squashed?
Do we have another lie?
Mehdi Hassan lie?
No.
No?
I don't know.
I haven't read the whole thing.
I'm sure Medi Hassan's going to run to X right now and correct his grievous error and apologize and seek forgiveness.
I don't think that's potentially.
Anyway, keep Japan.
Japan is a great place.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a huge movement globally to keep places, places, like to keep whatever country in Europe that.
And I think, honestly, it's needed.
I think the French need to step up and do the exact same thing.
They're a huge part of this problem.
Yes.
And Italians are, I don't think people know that Italians experience this more painfully and faster than just about anybody else in Europe.
Correct.
Which is super strange.
But they was there an island or something like that that people would come over in boats.
It literally completely swamped the population of that island.
And then they would get from there to Italy.
And from Italy, they would go and be dispersed throughout Europe.
And it's just this insane idea, guys, that we're going to make the world a better place by just opening up our borders.
It's never going to work.
And I do hope Japan stays.
A word of caution and jest in all this stuff, talking about like Hitler and making jokes.
It's funny because I think we're at a place in history where you need to be able to make jokes about things.
But to say that we should emulate the way that he did it.
No, he was not doing things correctly.
No.
He would have been a bad person at any point in history because that's just what it is.
But to compare someone like Georgia Maloney or Takayishi or even Victor Orban to a Hitler is insane.
Because if you really thought that those people were like Hitler, you would not feel so comfortable in making the comparisons to Hitler.
You would be very, very dishonest rhetoric, and I think it needs to be kind of tamed on that side.
And the right needs to be very careful not to go too far as an overreaction because those people on the left, they're pushing us towards that.
They want that reaction so they can legitimately make the claim, oh, these people are actually Nazis.
So we have to be careful in falling into that trap.
That's all I would, the word of caution that I would leave us with on that.
All right.
There's two other really quick stories that I want to get to, and we'll do some chat as well.
I'm trying to figure out which one I want to go to first.
I think I'm going to go to Jay Jones.
So let me just set this up for a lot of you.
You probably won't see a whole lot about it on CNN, but some of the mainstream media are covering this.
It's just how they're covering that really is the interesting part.
But text messages from the Democrat from Virginia, who's, I guess, a candidate for the Attorney General, were leaked three days ago.
This is Jay Jones.
And in the text from 2022 to a GOP colleague, Jones said he wanted to shoot then GOP from Virginia speaker Todd Gilbert writing, these are from the texts, right?
So this is being widely reported.
So I'm going to read what this says.
Are we able to 100% confirm?
Have they given confirmation?
Because nobody's come out and said these are fake, right?
No.
The National Review usually does very, very good stuff.
So we'll say what National Review and several other people are saying.
Supposedly from Jay Jones, three people, two bullets, Gilbert, Hitler, and Pol Pot.
See?
Gilbert gets two bullets to the head.
Spoiler, put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets every time.
Jones also wrote about Gilbert's kids.
Yes, I've told you this before.
Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy.
I mean, do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists?
Yes.
You're referring to a political opponent and wife and kids.
Pull the texts.
Can you isolate just the texts for me?
Just leave that there.
I'll start with the thing.
There isn't, I point blank asked you more than three times and you dug in that you meant it.
I honestly am questioning a lot today.
That's the response to which he said, I mean, do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and they're breeding little fascists?
Yes.
Like basically whoever this conversation was with, I'm not sure who that was, basically this guy doubled down.
And I guess he has no plans to end his campaign, according to Politico.
That's insane.
For now, I mean, you know how these things go.
They have no plans to end the campaign until the campaign has plans to end itself because you have no support anymore.
But the dem governor of VA, or sorry, the candidate for governor, Abigail Spanberger, put out a statement condemning his remarks, but, but, but did not call.
Is it resign or what office does he hold right now?
Because he's the candidate.
Can somebody clarify that for me?
Because this is written in a way that makes it sound like he's resigning from some position that he currently holds and I don't know what that is.
But he's also three days in from this information coming out, lost no endorsements so far.
The black men vote given endorsement.
That's interesting.
Well, let's file it in the left is violent change my mind research document.
We should absolutely do that.
And by the way, if anybody on our side came out and said what they said, what this person said on text message and it kind of came out and like somebody pushed back and said, hey, ha ha ha.
And he goes, no, I'm serious.
Which is kind of what happened.
It's essentially the text thread if you read it.
It's pretty disturbing.
So go and check it out on X. But hey, this happens on both sides, right?
Everybody on the right right now, can we condemn that?
Can we just say, hey, that's not okay?
Okay.
Everybody on the left, can you condemn that?
Pretty simple process, I think.
When this kind of stuff happens, we condemn it.
When somebody shoots up a school and says, I did it in the name of white supremacy, I don't know that that's happened in my lifetime.
I don't know if somebody went after for white supremacy and did that.
Of course I condemn that.
Nobody should do that.
Can we say the same thing on the other side or is it just deflecting so that your message doesn't get crowded out of the news cycle and so that you can push things that don't really actually solve anything?
They push us to a place of acceptance through the rhetoric.
It's if you call, and we've said it a million times.
We'll say it once more.
If you call someone a fascist and a Nazi, you do not deal with them at the ballot box.
If we could agree, everyone, if you were the French resistance, would you be justified in killing the Nazi occupiers?
I think we'd all agree yes.
Yes, of course.
There would be no argument.
So that's what they're trying to do.
They try to paint the one side as being equivalent or worse than the Nazis in some cases.
Yeah.
Well, then why should I feel bad about calling for their death?
Why should I feel bad if their kids are going to grow up in a fatherless household?
That's what they want to push us to a place of.
That's really scary.
It's especially scary in this scenario because he's running for attorney general.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like you'll have prosecuting power.
Or, or the ability not to prosecute.
Yep.
You know what I mean?
Like, oh, well, my political ideology.
People and to bring indictments upon people that don't deserve them and put people in prison or worse, try to, you know, try somebody under the death penalty.
Yeah, that's pretty.
And research also clarified that the texts were between Jones and House delegate, a Republican, Kerry Coiner.
Jeez.
He's also a moron.
Did we find out what position he has?
Jay Jones right now?
I have not seen yet.
Oh, wait.
Come on.
He currently lists himself as attorney and former state delegate.
Okay, so not resign.
Can we admonish research?
Resign as an attorney?
No, it basically resigned would have been for a public job.
You don't resign as an attorney.
You just stop practicing.
So that's probably exit the campaign as a candidate.
How dare you, research?
Not admonish research.
By the way, we have a member of the research team here, though it wasn't your fault.
It could have been.
No, it wasn't.
It just as easily could have been.
Okay.
By the way, research chimed in and wanted to let you know that you were thinking of Lampedusa Island.
I said Lampedusa, but it's Lampedusa.
No, I think they're gaslighting.
I do think you said it correct the first time.
Why are you being wrong and gaslighting in the same five seconds?
Do better.
Yeah, get some help.
And listen, I think it's Sam.
I think it's H.R. Sam out there.
It's what I said.
Yeah.
I know what you said.
Also, he's Jewish.
He did have to fast.
So he's coming after me.
Because of my blonde hair and blue eyes.
And I've told you many times, you guys paid me on time.
So I support Israel every single time.
$7,000 a post, baby.
All right.
So now that I've drug us back into that topic really quickly, they're talking about on CNN right now, indirect Israel Hamas talks begin in Egypt.
I don't know what indirect means, but okay, fine.
I hope they're going to finally get to a peace solution.
I think everybody right now would like there to be a peaceful resolution to this that does not include Hamas existing anymore and does not include people that are in Gaza being killed anymore.
Everybody, I think, is on the same side on that one saying, hey, but actually, I know they're not because they're actually saying from the river to the sea, which means, you know, we're going to take all this land and kill every single Israeli that happens to be in it.
I know that's where we are, but I'm not, I don't want to, I don't want to argue that.
I do want to come back to our friend Dave Smith.
And listen, Dave, I'm going to call you out on something here because I think you did factually get something wrong.
But I do think we would still have a very productive conversation.
We have some disagreements, but I don't think you're a stupid person because you made a mistake or that you've been saying something incorrect.
I do think it becomes pretty stupid when you don't acknowledge it and just understand what people are saying in a critique.
But Milk Bar TV put this super cut together and put it out on X from when Dave Smith and somebody tell me again who he was debating with or having a conversation with last night.
Is it Campbell?
I can't remember the guy's name.
I apologize.
I want to make sure.
So guys, go find that.
I can't remember the name, but he's having a conversation about a very, very, and I've listened to a lot of Dave Smith's stuff.
Very consistent claim that he has made, and it kind of unravels on him.
So we're going to play this and then we'll do a little bit of play pause here.
We also have a four-star general who's on record saying that he saw these plans.
That they were going to go overthrow all of these governments.
But why is it then that I got four-star general Wesley Clark, supreme commander of supreme commander of the NATO forces?
Why is it that he told me that he saw the plans?
We know this is the four-star general Wesley Clark himself said that he was out of power at the time, but he went to the Pentagon and he said that he saw plans.
How come I have four-star general Wesley Clark telling me 10 years prior that we had already made the plan?
This has been confirmed by four-star general Wesley Clarkson that we were going to topple seven countries in five years.
Wesley Clark is a f.
Dave Smith has gone on just about every single show out there, and for good reason, he's very interested.
He's very anti-war, which is fine.
I think that's a perfectly legitimate place to come from.
I think there's some challenges with it that don't really match up with reality.
But I have a heart for people who don't want to see suffering and dying in the world, even if it's completely necessary in some cases to protect civilization from the evils of maybe Hitler or something like that.
I get it.
I understand it.
But you do need to be strong enough to go, well, guess what?
I got to go defend my family.
He has said himself that he would do that.
So I don't think he's coming from this completely pacifist position.
He just doesn't like getting dragged into wars needlessly, is what it seems.
But the challenge is here.
What he's saying is that in the United States, that we had a plan to topple seven nations in five years, and that four-star general Wesley Clark even saw it to say Israel and neocons, because of Israel's influence, are controlling us and see that plan is just playing out right in front of your eyes.
And so it lends credibility to the argument that he makes next, not in our clips, but in the rest of his arguments that he is making.
And the problem is, as you'll see in just a second, it gets undercut.
Continue.
Four-star general, he was the head of NATO, and he told Amy Goodman on Democracy Now that he saw in late 2001 become known as the farthest.
It doesn't even matter because that the plan from the neocons in the government was that we were going to overthrow all these governments in the region in the next five years.
Let's talk about this Wesley Clark memo that he never saw.
Okay.
So four-star General Wesley Clark.
He never saw it?
Yeah, he says so in the C-SPAN interview.
Whoops.
You don't remember this?
He's talking about it.
He says, he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today.
And he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years.
I said, is it classified?
He said, yes, sir.
I said, well, don't show it to me.
Rumsfeld, whose sometimes abrasive approach often alienated other cabinet members, produced 20 to 60 snowflakes, these memos, snowflakes a day, 20 to 60 a day.
Regularly poured.
Does that sound like plans?
Because Dave Smith said plans.
They saw plans to overthrow these governments.
He's going to obfuscate and say some stuff about, well, I didn't mean overthrow.
It doesn't always overthrow, but he said plans.
And again, this is what we go back and get pissed off at Mehdi Hassan for because he said something that President Trump didn't say.
Wesley Clark never said he saw even the memo in that Democracy Now clip.
He said he was holding the memo and said this is a plan or this is a memo.
Sorry, not plan, a memo about how we're going to overthrow seven countries in five years.
Didn't say that he actually saw it.
He talked to the guy that Wesley Clark was supposedly talking to at the time.
And he's like, I never showed him anything.
So he's mischaracterizing every single step along the way when he's saying that four-star general Wesley Clark to add credence to his position, that's a problem.
And he gets called out rightfully so by Mr. Was it Coleman?
Coleman.
Somebody give me his name.
On Barry Weiss's free press.
Yeah, Coleman Hughes.
Coleman Hughes.
Thank you very much.
Coleman Hughes, Mr. Coleman Hughes.
All right, go.
About his thoughts in writing as the basis for developing policy.
Every once in a while, one of these ranting Rumsfeld notes to Condi would come.
You can almost hear the eye roll.
Like, this dude Rumsfeld is drowning us in his little thoughts and his stupid memos.
Do you have any evidence that this memo was actually important as opposed to one snowflake in a shifting strategy of 60,000?
The fact is that much of what he said came true.
And that's what makes it interesting.
That's how we're going to take out seven countries in five years.
And that this was part of a strategy to overthrow seven governments in five years.
And all of them except one have been done.
It's literally he names seven countries and there's one to go.
And that one, by the way, happens to be the one that Donald Trump is flirting with a war with right now, Iran.
All the rest of them have happened.
Starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing off Iran.
Three of the countries out of seven, almost half the countries have not done regime change, let alone within five years, let alone in the specific order prescribed by the memo.
And not to mention, we did do regime change in countries not on the memo at all, like Liberia.
So there's actually no variable from the memo that actually matches our foreign policy.
Coleman, my argument here isn't that, again, I'm not saying that memo came to life and exactly what was written down on that has happened.
Of course, there were more memos.
Of course, there were more decisions that were added in afterwards.
At that moment, Dave has to go, okay, I was very clear that six out of the seven have happened.
I've said it multiple times on Joe Rogan's podcast and anywhere else that I've had a platform.
Six of the seven have happened and there's one left and President Donald Trump is flirting with war with Iran.
By the way, the war with Iran that he says the Israelis were dragging us into and that Donald Trump should have been impeached over even before we did anything about Iran.
Do you remember that, Dave?
That was the problem that we had with you is that not that you were wrong on some of this other stuff, though I do believe that you are.
I know you make a very compelling case and I've learned a whole lot listening to the podcast that you guys have done.
Fine.
But I think you're wrong on some stuff.
But you called for President Trump's impeachment before we did anything relating to Iran.
This wasn't when we were in the process of bombing and we were making sure that no collateral damage was going to happen in response, retaliation for the bombing.
Not in that period.
You called for it, if you remember, before any of that even happened, before you even knew planes were being ready to go over and make strikes, Donald Trump should be impeached.
I am upset or frustrated or I shouldn't have.
I can't remember your exact words, so I'm not going to put them in your mouth.
You said that you should not have supported Donald Trump for president and that you're disappointed or ashamed or something along those lines before any of that ever happened.
You were very clear.
Here's the moment where you go, ah, you know what?
You're right.
I did make this out to be more than it actually is.
It would have been just fine to say there's this clean break memo that's been floating around on what Israel wants people to do in the Middle East, really themselves.
But obviously, if they can get the United States to help in certain ways, that'd be fine.
One of those was actually to prop up certain places to make sure that they were a buffer.
It makes perfect sense, by the way, if you're Israel to want to make sure that your enemies are a little weaker.
And then saying that the United States had a memo created about that plan.
It would have been strong enough to say that, but you used it as evidence of something that didn't actually exist.
All right, let's play to the end.
Saying that a four-star general said the decision had been made, that he had sources in the world.
Based on what happened.
His source.
Who is basing it on what?
The memo.
There might be lots of memos that go out every day, but a memo that says we're going to fight, we're going to topple seven countries in the next five years, a pretty big memo.
That's not just one of the regular memos.
That's evidence.
It was a big memo.
Your only evidence is the guy who never read it.
You realize how ridiculous this is.
If you were a historian writing a book, you'd have to cut this out of the book because you're relying on the survey of someone that never even read the document, much less you or I have never read the document.
And we know that they were writing 60 documents a day that Condoleezza Rice was putting in the trash.
It's a ridiculously low bar of evidence you'd have to have to consider this memo and everything implied by it important.
I mean, I don't know how else to say this, dude.
This just feels so nutty to me.
I guess we'll just leave this up to people.
And I'm not a historian writing a book.
I'm a guy talking about these issues to the American people.
So I don't know.
You can decide whether you find that to be a pretty interesting story or not.
Ah, this is exactly what Douglas Murray said and called Dave Smith out for.
Dave Smith, when cornered on facts that he doesn't like, will go, I'm just a guy talking about this.
That's what Douglas Murray said.
He's like, you kind of hide behind the fact that you're not a historian, that you're not a whatever you need to be.
I'm not an expert.
I'm just some guy talking about this.
That's not the point.
It doesn't matter who you are.
It doesn't matter what your credentials are.
It matters that you were wrong and you misrepresented something.
And you just need to own that.
Like, I think when we do that here in this room, like, if we get something wrong, we come back and we talk about it.
Hey, we got that wrong.
Sorry, admonish us, right?
We have an admonish button for a reason so that we can make sure that we get these things right.
Dave, come on the show and make your case.
We've extended this invitation.
The timing didn't work out before.
So full disclosure, Dave did reach back out to us.
It was when we were going on, I believe it was break.
He was going on vacation like the next day or something like that.
But we've reached back out since and heard nothing.
Yeah, I hate to given people schedules and I know how Stephen gets.
I know being a comedian, you're traveling.
So this is not to say that he's ducked us.
No.
It's just been the communication went a little dry.
We'd like to make it happen still.
I would love to make it happen because I think he does have some very interesting information that the audience would be well served to understand and put in context.
He does.
But in this specific case, when you get called out like this, you could see where he has that moment of where he's like, I have to defend this position, even though I can't factually defend this position.
Can I add just one thing when you're done?
Sure, this.
So I agree with everything you've said, and you know how much fault I take with Dave making unsubstantiated claims, basically just to shit on Israel.
That being said, if we notice where this, a lot of the other side that I happen to disagree with is going to have sort of a point here when they say, but yeah, that was done on the free press, a podcast by the free press, which is owned by Barry Weiss, which is very, very pro-Israel.
So why should I trust that?
So that let's, I want to head that claim off a little bit.
Yeah.
Well, I think there is two things that can be true at once, that Israel's not responsible for everything, that the United States does, they are the parent in the relationship.
But and Israel does act like a spoiled little child sometimes.
Yes.
And I think to their said credit, the one reason that it's so easy to blame Israel is because, yes, as Christians, I think there's a reason to support it, mostly for the preservation of Christian historical sites.
That I think if an Islamic country took over today, like we've seen ISIS do even in Iraq and stuff, they would desecrate all the holy sites, those would be gone.
Those are worth protecting.
And if nothing else, I think that's why we should have a good relationship and an alliance with Israel.
However, there's a lot of inertia and a lot of Israeli money influencing our politicians.
We know this.
We've talked about AI, which is a big reason why there are still too many resources in that region.
When 10 years ago, we made the pledge to pivot to Asia and we still haven't done it.
And a lot of the reason is because the Israelis are using their influence to keep our resources there when it's really not benefiting our country to do so.
That's true.
However, these people that come out and say, well, it's not Dave, but it's like the Jews in Israel.
They prevent us from having a real conversation over what our relationship with that country should look like.
And that is doing a disservice to the American and to real American interests.
Well, and that's where people like Dave Smith do have a point.
When you have a guy like Netanyahu coming out and saying this could be the end of Israel, that is meant to get people to give money and support to Israel to support that state remaining, even though that's not always true.
It's like the boy that cried wolf.
I get that they have enemies and I get that they have, there's some interesting things that happen.
And if I were somebody who lived in that country since its inception has been under attack, I get that I would have a little bit different worldview and the attacks preceded that.
So I understand that.
My only evangelical sympathies very much.
And I do not like how they do that.
I don't either.
I think that's a problem.
That's why I was trying to have a conversation and did with Andrew Wilson.
I'll talk about probably a little bit of this with Jay Dyer when I do something with him.
And then also Joel C. Rosenberg, heartfelt condolences, man.
I know that his, I believe his mom just passed away very recently, but he's going to come on the show and I'm going to talk to him.
Fantastic author, but knows a lot about this as well from a different perspective, right?
I'm trying to get all these different kinds of perspectives that I think matter.
He's lived in Israel for a while, at least in both places.
But I think the main point and the frustration that I have with this is not that I just disagreed with Dave.
It's that when a perfectly rational, reasonable counterpoint gets brought up, Dave ran to the I'm just a guy talking on the internet.
Instead of acknowledging it, you just have to acknowledge, okay, fine, you know what?
That's correct.
And maybe I've made too big of a deal about this and maybe I've misspoken about what actually happened.
Didn't happen.
I hope he comes on the show to be able to clear those things up.
Consider this a formal invitation, sir.
All right, let's do some chat really quickly and then we will send you on your way in 15 minutes.
All right.
Well, since you just brought up Barry Weiss, a question for the crew and I guess Gerald from Tyree.
How dare you?
Do you believe?
Hold on, Tyree.
He actually wrote that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you believe Barry Weiss will actually bring balanced fact-based news back to CBS now that she is editor-in-chief of CBS News, as they state she will?
I mean, I don't know.
It can't be worse.
Yes, it could.
Well, then CBS.
I don't know.
Things can always get worse.
That's fair.
That's fair.
So here's where I will.
There is a part of me right now that understands the influence in media and the game that is being played.
Sure.
Right.
I think it is 100% true.
And just like the conspiracy theories surrounding Charlie Kirk and his death, assassination, were linked to Israel saying, oh, you're going to do this.
Put all of that aside.
I'm not discussing Ian Carroll's hairbrain schemes or Candace Owens or anything like that.
What I'm really wanting to focus in on is the fact that it was apparent to everybody that on college campuses, Israel's losing the argument.
Yes.
Big time.
And you can think it's because they're wrong.
I think in a lot of ways, it's because messaging is really difficult in war.
And whoever is losing in a war is probably going to come off as the more sympathetic party, even though there are barbaric things that those guys have done.
They could have ended this war a long time ago.
I think Douglas Murray, in a monk debate with Mehdi Hassan and some other people, made a very, very good point.
He's like, I don't understand.
I don't think that I've ever read in the rules of war that you get to start a war and then complain about losing.
And I think that's understandable.
And I think you can have some really strong feelings on both sides about this.
But Israel is having a lot of influence in ways on our politicians that we've talked about with APAC and other things and through the evangelical church.
But one way they're really losing is getting into the younger audiences and talking about what's going on.
And I think that's something that they're trying to fight against.
And so then you could look at kind of people getting put into positions of power and news organizations being purchased and go, it's all part of this big grand plan.
And there is some credibility to a claim like that given the environment.
And so I think that's why I'm like, it could be worse because they may not trust her at all because of that, that overriding factor in their minds thinking, well, this is just another play.
I can't trust anything they say, which I guess fine.
You finally don't trust CBS.
Good.
To your point on the sympathetic side being the one that's losing, I don't think it's ever been more true than in the social media age because George came up with this term and it's very, I like it.
It's called the George, or it's not the George Floyd paradox.
The Sean Penny.
Different George.
The Sean Penn paradox.
Yes.
Where he is going to support whoever's sympathetic because he'll support the Ukrainians against Russia.
He'll go give his Oscar to Vladimir Zelensky and then he'll support.
Hang on to this.
I don't really want it.
But then he'll support the Palestinians or the Palestinians too, but then he'll support the Venezuelans who are being propped up by the Russians who then are tangled web.
It's a very tangled web that makes no logical sense as long as you're supporting who you think is sympathetic in the moment.
So I think Israel is not a perfect country by any means, but they have done a shit show job on messaging.
Yeah, big time.
And I think there's been a ton of missteps in this war, and I think there's been some stuff that needs to be looked into for sure, legally.
100%.
Is that okay?
Is it okay to say that?
Yes.
All right.
Israel needs to be held to a very high standard as one of our greatest allies.
Apparently so.
Ted Cruz needs to be able to find the place in the Bible where it says that Israel needs to be supported by the United States.
I'm pretty sure you're not going to find it.
But we also need to understand that there is a lot of messaging going out there that's just not accurate.
There's so many stories that came out from Hamas that we pointed out early, and you need to understand that.
So we'll see.
All right, next chat.
Next chat from RD Pal.
Question for the crew.
With states like Illinois and California openly disobeying federal laws and orders, when does it get to a point where the federal government can charge Johnson and Pritzker?
I don't know where that line would be drawn.
I mean, between the governor doing things and mayors.
Like, I think they should go in right now to Chicago and be like, this is ours to a degree.
This is ours.
Johnson, you want ICE free zones?
No, no, no, there is no ICE rezone.
This is this entire area.
ICE can operate wherever they want.
Sorry.
Can't do anything about that.
You're not going to allow the police to come and assist.
Fantastic.
National Guard troops will be here.
They'll be on call just like police officers, except they'll be the ones that do their jobs.
Because not saying that police don't know how to do their jobs, you just won't let them.
So we'll let them.
At some point, I don't understand.
Like, I really don't understand how we allow, as a society, we allow certain parts of our society to just go no.
And the idea that's a federal issue.
You can't, as a federal government, you can't let these local administrators destroy their cities because I was in.
They're not theirs.
No, they're not.
They're the American peoples.
They're our citizens.
And like being in Chicago this weekend in downtown where they decide to keep care of it, it's a gorgeous city.
It is a world-class city, like to the likes that blew my mind, to be honest with you.
But then you go just a little bit out of that where they suddenly don't really care about their citizens, and it's a hellhole.
Yeah.
And if they continue to let these policies run rampant, pretty soon the nice parts stop existing like they have in New York to a large degree, like they have in Los Angeles to a large degree.
So I don't know the legality here.
Maybe Josh has a stronger opinion on what the military should do or the guard, but that's where I'm at.
I mean, I don't have any stronger opinion.
I think it's totally reasonable for guard soldiers to be protecting federal buildings because of the lack of response from local police and the stifling, basically, from mayors and rogue mayors and governors, especially Pritzker, a billionaire.
I know, right?
Governor, like people forget about that.
He's kind of a piece of shit.
People forget.
He acts like he's one of these common man.
I eat hot dogs just like you.
Okay, you billionaire fucking.
How many people have you displaced to put up buildings?
You know, like, no, no, I think it's totally reasonable to have these people out there.
I don't think that they should be going through neighborhoods, the guard, going through, you know, apartment buildings or whatever it is that ICE officers are doing to take people.
And sure, maybe I don't agree with everything ICE is doing.
Yeah.
But unfortunately, I think that we all have to come to some kind of, I don't know, what's the realization?
Not realization.
Yeah, I guess a realization, but it's you have to make a compromise with yourself.
Like, you know, what is it worth to have zero apprehensions at the border or a 99.9% decrease?
How about say it this way?
Because you said it this way earlier, and I wanted, I thought you said it very well.
You're like, I don't think of this as like, you know, immigration.
I think of this as child trafficking.
When I see people say fuck ICE at the Oscars, when I see people say ice-free zones, to me, like when I think of ICE, I think of the people that are going and getting these child traffickers, the bus, the guys that are rescuing literally hundreds, if not thousands of children across this country that have been trafficked here.
And all the other people that are victims of these illegal immigrants' crimes, and I know it's not everyone, I get that.
And that's where the compromise comes in, is that sometimes people who aren't doing anything wrong, but are just here illegally, they're going to be a good company.
They do provide for their community.
They have a job.
They pay taxes, but they're here illegally.
I'm sorry.
If you get caught up in the same building as these other people who have connections to the cartel, you're gone.
Fixing the problem.
I'm sorry.
That sucks, but it's a compromise that you have to be willing to make because the other way you compromise is you compromise American citizens.
You compromise your own lives.
You compromise your children's lives and your children's futures and so many other things.
To me, logically, I go to that side of it.
I go, I choose the one where we get rid of the illegals.
My question, and I'll go to you, Lynn, is you want us to be compassionate?
I agree.
Let's be compassionate.
To who?
Who do our leaders have a responsibility to be compassionate towards?
Who do you, as a mom, a dad, have a responsibility to be compassionate towards?
Because that matters.
Because if you're compassionate to one, it can mean no compassion towards the other at all.
Because if I'm compassionate and just say, well, let everybody in, well, I guess every one of the kids that gets trafficked and raped by these cartels and the people associated with them get no compassion.
And all the people that get killed by the cartels get no compassion as well.
And all the people whose lives are destroyed in the United States because the cartels come in and set up shop and are selling drugs and making sure that nobody snitches on them, all the violence associated, they get no compassion as well.
And then if I allow this to go on long enough, that community gets no compassion because it's taken over completely by the cartels and by people who shouldn't be here legally.
Much less if somebody comes here and the only law that they broke was getting into the country illegally.
Well, I guess I don't have compassion on potentially the person's job who they are taking.
And don't tell me that that job wouldn't be filled by somebody because we've had people filling those jobs for centuries.
They would be filled.
And the housing that is now more expensive in the area and the resources that are more stretched by the local governments, there's no compassion for everybody else.
So your compassion is misdirected.
I would like to be compassionate to the citizens of the United States, the people that the elected officials are supposed to be compassionate towards.
And then what I would like to do is make this so successful and so prosperous that we can have overflow of charity and compassion to those who are in need in other places.
And we can empower them to make their places like our place.
That's what we need to do.
That's truly compassionate.
If we're going to do something around the world, if we're going to spend money around the world, if that's a necessity, then that's what we should be doing.
Because why are all these people leaving?
Yeah.
Where are they leaving and why are they leaving?
Why are they such shitholes that everyone's leaving and going to Europe, coming here, Canada, Japan recently?
India.
India.
Yeah, listen.
They're all leaving India.
Go make your place better.
They said they're trying to push.
I can't remember the number.
I don't want to misspeak, actually.
They're trying to push so many certain numbers.
Quarter million from India to the rest of the world.
Was it a quarter million or was it a quarter of a billion?
They got a lot of money.
I thought it was a quarter of a billion.
I don't know.
That's the only country where that could be.
That could be an error.
Yeah.
No.
What I read was that they were trying to, their goal was to get a quarter of a billion people dispersed.
Dispersed across the country.
I don't know.
That's how they make money.
That's how the country receives their, not their reparations, their remittances.
Yeah.
Reparations.
Well, Lane, you had a point too, wouldn't you?
No, it's just piggybacking off both those things is that mass deportations were never going to be a pretty or enjoyable thing to watch.
They were never going to be.
And a lot of people kind of, I think, inherently understood that, but put it out of sight, out of mind, because they voted for Donald Trump.
And that was a large majority, or not a large majority, but even a majority of Latinos in some aspects, knowing full well what he was going to do.
Seeing it is a different story.
And it is uncomfortable and it is not pretty.
And when you become sympathetic and your heart hurts for these people, but at the end of the day, you should have been saying something when they were allowed to be trafficked over the border.
Yeah.
You didn't.
Fixing the problem is always harder than not letting the problem happen in the first place.
But for the first time, I think the American people do have the stomach to make it happen because they've seen just how bad things can get.
They've seen Lake and Riley's killed.
They've seen other girls abducted and raped in parks.
And they've seen that happen by people that shouldn't have been here.
We cannot waste this.
So I implore the people watching this, or even conservatives that might be getting a little squeamish.
Yes, it sucks.
And yes, your heart will cry out.
But do not let off the gas on something like this because the problem needs to be dealt with now.
Yeah.
Or there is no point in ever trying to deal with it again because you won't have a country to preserve at that point anyway.
You won't.
And really, what I want to implore people to do is go and watch the interview we did with Tom Homan.
I know there were some video issues where he was coming across like his video kind of messed up a little bit.
But go when you see a man being deported and they talk about his wife.
Oh, I know they're talking about the, oh, is he dropping out of the race?
Come on.
I don't know.
All right, go to CNN real quick and then we'll come back to this.
Pretty stunning messages that were leaked.
Unbelievable.
He put it into a text message to another.
That's a meme.
Oh, God.
Weird faces of CNN.
Yeah, Republicans, the Myers campaign has a one-pointed budget.
It's Slappy the Puppet.
It basically just repeats the text messages.
It is a brutal ad.
The question I have, and we'll see when you actually see where it's placed on this.
Is it just in the DC area?
Is it down in Roanoke?
Is it going to be in the Richmond area?
But Republicans clearly think they now have a much better chance of winning this AG race.
Remember, Virginia is typically brutal for the fact that the fact that it controls the White House.
It has this off-off-year election coming a year after the presidential.
So real money behind AG.
And they're not a whole, I could be wrong, but we haven't seen it.
CNN is calling it vile texts to Jones this morning.
But we have not that.
That is something, and that's good that they're doing that.
I think they're kind of forced to talk about it.
I think it's sad that at some point, at this point, we have to be giving CNN credit for doing what they're supposed to do all the time, which is call stuff like this vile.
Yeah, no kidding.
Criticize it, but they haven't called on him to drop out.
Right, right.
I mean, first of all, bottom line, those messages were abhorrent.
And I think it's really, the pressure is going to build likely on Abigail Spamberger.
Republicans are really sensitive to her.
She is doing very well in polling compared to her down ballot candidates, including the AG nominee and the lieutenant governor nominee.
So you're going to have to go to the next one.
Well, then I want her to stay in the race.
More and more on calling Jones to drop out, which, as you know, she has not done.
Because Winston Merle's here as a Democrat.
The Republican candidate for governor has been struggling in this race.
I feel like he's got a frog in his throat.
And then currently across.
What do you think about the recipe being a total ticket bag?
All over the ticket.
Depend on how to criticize him for days on end.
Doesn't seem like the best way to handle it.
Also, it's a little bit late.
It's not like he can be replaced.
Early voting's already underway.
So Democrats are kind of stuck with him.
So they're just going to probably hope he doesn't pull the rest of the ticket down.
All right, come back.
Of course, it's his time.
We'll see if he actually does forget.
No, they really can't.
They're like, oh, these are really bad.
Yeah.
Yeah, he probably ought to drop out, but he can't because he's still on the ballot.
If he wins still with this kind of stuff out there, it's like, well, we just, you know, I think at this point, we Yosemite Sam, Virginia, and just push it out into the sea and keep whatever we need to from it.
I think there's some.
Is that what Yosemite Sam would do?
That doesn't sound like that.
I think so.
I think you misunderstand how Mr. Sam operates.
Yeah, Sam does.
No, I know it's in Virginia, trust me.
That's why I was like, can we keep the stuff we need?
So we'll put some outlines around that.
He was hunting a wabbit, right?
No, those are the things.
Yeah, no, no.
Cornelius, what's the Elmer Fudd?
Yeah, I hunt you.
Yosemite Sam.
Anyway, this is more like praying.
If you don't pray really hard for Stephen to be well, you're going to have to see me again tomorrow.
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