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Off, you have different vehicles going to the city.
Multiple reentry.
Multiple reentry vehicles, which can each carry potentially up to 10 warheads, which are four megatons each.
So each one of those MERVs can destroy theoretically like 40 cities.
That's terri China, you're mean.
They're not them and forget about ours.
The idea that they're a paper we need to get over the idea that this is a paper tiger military.
Exactly.
Right.
And I I think that's honestly that's one of those kind of goals of doing this that we've talked about earlier is to make sure that the rest of the world knows that they have these kinds of capabilities.
Now, there's a difference between having a parade and actually fighting a war.
And I definitely understand that.
But the uh the Chinese state media, the CGTN actually shared this graphic of the missile that we were just talking about and said the true art of war is the art of stopping wars.
Okay, so uh you know, theoretically it's you know strategy deterrence essentially, right?
Um I uh I I don't I is China does China have global ambitions as far as conquering?
Like I know they want economically uh and they want to be able to control a lot of the the resources and we'll talk about that in a minute.
But do they have any advan like are they trying to take over new land masses and trying to plan to do stuff other than like reunification with Taiwan or something like that?
That's a different claim than just going just basically starting to head west and just take over whatever's in their power.
Well, you and you'll you'll see with the development of their navy from a brown water into what's called a blue water navy.
They are building vessels that can be expeditionary and operate in the open ocean.
Yeah.
If they had no intention to spread their influence throughout the world's oceans away from their backyard, then they wouldn't be building these things.
And they spread your influence is a lot different than conquering land.
Correct.
But yeah, I agree with that, yeah.
And we'll get to that in just a second when we look at this.
But yes, to to answer it sp shortly, yes.
So it's like when Tucker Carlson says, why does anybody need nukes?
No one's getting rid of the nukes.
No.
It's I mean it sounds great.
How many does China have roughly?
I know I think they're in third place, right?
They are, but they have doubled their capacity since 2019.
Oh and I think they're close to re they said they should be at about a thousand warheads by 2030, I think.
Okay.
A lot.
Yeah.
It seems like a little bit overkill.
I mean, shouldn't you just have like enough to kind of like you know wipe out every city on the planet once?
And that's probably fine.
I mean, I know a lot of these get taken out, but whatever.
Okay.
You say that until the alien invasion.
It's a good point, Josh.
No, they're gonna be at you're gonna be at China's feet.
No, I'm not gonna be at anybody's feet because I've seen Independence Day and it doesn't work against their shields unless you give them a virus and we can't do that.
That's not realistic.
You're talking about War of the World starting Ice Cube.
Oh, geez.
Where they reuse scenes over and over again.
All right, let's get back to a real threat.
Let's talk about their Navy, right?
And and one of the things that I want you to understand throughout this entire conversation is the advantage that the Americans mil have had militarily and economically, that is rapidly deteriorating.
And there are a lot of reasons for that.
Specifically, we're focusing on the military.
But economically, there are a lot of things that are happening in China that Donald Trump, as President of the United States, is doing more about than anybody else really has because he sees how these two things are connected.
So let's first start out with their Navy.
Lane, hit us with some knowledge.
Yeah, so they build much, much quicker than we do.
We have a tr you know, that's why we want to do the shipbuilding.
Donald Trump has talked about that a lot because they're just rapidly outpacing us.
They already have more ships than us.
Uh they're not as advanced, they're not as technologically advanced, but by 2030, they should have about 150 more ships than us.
And considering their goals, which we'll talk about, that's plenty to do what they need to do.
They don't need to come to San Francisco.
They just need to be able to go to the first island chain in the Western Pacific.
So it's we should we should learn how to build ships with the Koreans a lot quicker.
At least we know what clean up for.
The Koreans are great.
The Koreans are the best shipbuilders in the world.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we're who builds our ships for us right now.
Uh I'm not exactly sure.
But a lot of the inve the bilateral trade deal, the tariff deal that we have with Korea, yeah, a lot of that investment is going to go into shared like shipbuilding for that reason.
Okay.
So we can we can farm this out to people who are.
We would have to farm we just do not have the technical capability to do it quickly right now.
Yeah.
Is uh is is maybe maybe it's a good idea to strengthen the alliance between South Korea, Japan, the United States.
I think so.
Pretty good time for that.
Okay.
Fantastic.
Um so according to, And I'll read the quote really quickly.
According to a recent analysis analysis by Confluence, China can now deploy enormous forces to the South China Sea, the East China Sea, and the Taiwan Strait.
China's coastal military forces are now strong enough to potentially deter the U.S. from intervening in a crisis around Taiwan.
And that for us really is kind of the um that that's the threat point right now, right?
We're not really looking at China like you said, Josh.
Like it's very it's very different to go and have influence in a region than to go and like actually take ground, right?
Um you it's a much, much different kind of calculus.
But them going to take Taiwan is the thing that we've talked about for a very long time.
And it it's because they state that as a goal.
And you think specifically that Xi Jinping is trying to cement his legacy by doing that, to do something what is it to is it to be greater uh than uh uh Mao?
Yeah.
Or is it to be just to fulfill his legacy to a degree as well.
So it's all wrapped up in that it's it's fulfilling China's rightful place in the world.
It is the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation, it's all of this.
But Taiwan is like principle to that.
Right.
And a conversation started happening when we thought about Taiwan, because people made the comment if you let Russia go into Ukraine and there aren't severe penalties for doing that, China is gonna look at that situation and go into Taiwan.
Well, listen, I don't know that that's necessarily a hundred percent true.
I understand the thought behind it, and you can get into a conversation about that.
But what is true is what we have done regard regarding Ukraine and regarding Israel has left us in a really precarious position with munitions.
So we the the long-range precision missiles that that are crucial in Taiwan, uh it uh seems like we're gonna run out of those pretty quickly.
How long?
Uh so according to war games, the especially anti-ship missiles, which are gonna be the important things because they have a lot of ships.
We just talked about that.
So we can't get close to drop our short range munitions on them.
Right.
And so they'll be able to free to freely navigate across the Taiwan Strait, we'll need long range munitions.
Well, every estimate has us running out of those within about a week of combat.
Well, come on.
So and it takes about two years to reproduce one of these uh making more?
Yes, there's appropriations in the in the the new um defense or the new budget for these, obviously every year and they're increasing, but they're just difficult to make once you stop the inertia of making them.
Okay.
So it's starting these things back up.
When did we stop producing a lot of this stuff?
I know there's a lot of different timelines probably with this, but just in general.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
The the biggest time period to look to is right after the end of the Cold War.
There was this thing called the Last Supper, where the d the undersecretary for the Defense Department came in and told all the contractors we do not need you to produce like you've been producing anymore.
The Cold War's over.
So all of you little defense contract tractors that exist, you're gonna get subsumed by the big three, you know, like Lockheed, Boeing.
And ever since then, there's just been it's it's like Pete Hague says saying, why does this bag of screws or whatever cost $10,000?
Well, it's because you have uncompetitive, an uncompetitive marketplace for stuff like this.
Aaron Powell So I mean, is there a way to restart that?
Because this is very this is very like big stuff.
Like it's not like you can just go in there and start manufacturing these things overnight.
So okay.
So and and look, we also still have a really big problem within this conversation on being dependent on China.
Aaron Powell When you came into office, President Trump tasked you with looking into our U.S. military's dependence on China and Chinese supplies of materials that are needed for our national defense.
I know China has put a stranglehold on critical minerals.
Uh I think President Trump asked for significant advances from you by October.
What's the update on our dependence from China?
Well, we've gotten after it after it for minute minute one.
Uh we will not be dependent on China.
We won't be dependent on anybody else.
The American military will be able to take a look at the U.S. But operate decisively.
We have to blame her.
And there's been neglect for decades.
And President Trump has pointed out to be the best, you can't depend on anyone else.
But Amer America First doesn't mean America alone.
We'll stand alongside our allies.
Yeah, we definitely need to make sure that we are not dependent on them for the materials, the raw materials to be able to make the weapons that we're going to need to use to fight them.
Like every single critical mineral that they have to do.
Well yes.
That Belt and Rhodes initiative was successful, I guess.
Well, to some degree.
I mean, it's incursions into Africa have been quite successful in securing a lot of this stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
Um so let's talk about the alliances.
Um this if I'm correct, this was the first time in history those three world leaders have ever been together and publicly together.
Don't know.
I mean, it's hard to get Kim anywhere.
Yeah, Well, that's true.
Because he has to take his toilet and collect his crap.
Yeah.
Not everybody goes for that on the writer.
So luckily China's not too far.
It's not.
They have a history of working together in some ways individually, right?
But the China has courted the Russia-North Korea relationship, and recently, India kind of pulling them into the mix, prompting President Trump to write.
Looks like we've lost India and Russia to deepest darkest China.
That sounds like from Paddington, darkest Peru.
I have kids.
So may they have a long and prosperous future together.
President Donald J. Trump.
Now, I'm gonna go on an eleven guess that he wasn't actually hoping that they would have a long and prosperous um future together.
That seems a bit more.
One would think that that would be a little counterintuitive to our interests.
Yeah.
So who are our allies?
I mentioned a couple of them a minute ago, but just run run down that list of people that are really the allies that are going to jump into it with us if necessary.
So how we said North Korea, China, Russia, you know, India, whatever.
Don't r especially those first three don't have an inherent commonality to make them allies.
They do all have a specific goal of dethroning the West.
Right.
And dethroning the United States from where we are.
And giving around sanctions, essentially right now for Russia.
They're basically willing to make friendly with anybody.
If you hear the term like multipolar world, it just means we need to take the US down from where they are now, which is which is what has allowed us to become as prosperous as we have.
Now our allies on the other hand, especially concerning the region like Japan, very good.
I put them at the top for their increasing spending.
Uh we have a bunch they're increasing the ability for their military to operate in different ways.
That's good.
Korea, I think everyone's kind of complaining about the new E. J. Myung administration for being too liberal and communist.
It's a little liberal.
It is, but I, you know, if you actually look at Korean politics as nothing new, so I'm not that worried about it.
Those two are pretty good.
Australia is another powerful one because they're in the region.
You don't think of them as an Asian country, but they are.
Well, if you look at the people that were at the parade, it's like all the people we've listed the Kazakhs, the Uzbekis, the Turkmenistan, and then for some reason this guy Daniel Andrews, who is a former premier in Victoria.
So like a very powerful person now for a consultancy group in Australia.
Why is he there?
Strange.
And then you have the UK, who we've talked about uh pretty incessantly recently about what what commonalities do we have with them anymore?
They're a communist country, basically, and they haven't even been able to hit their military recruiting goal for the last 14 years.
Well, what was the number on that we were talking about?
Wasn't it like 14 or 15,000?
Yeah, last year.
Regular forces sign-ups last year was a total of like 13,000 people.
Good God.
Their military is as small as it's been since the Napoleonic Wars.
Yes, in 200 years.
We were looking at that, I was shocked.
Wow.
It was the the estimates range from I think like 175 to 250, depending on how you count the numbers.
They must have more aircraft.
I don't even know.
I don't think that's a joke.
I think they might have more aircraft than pilots.
Maybe they're not going to be able to do that.
The Royal Air Force is kind of not shiny.
Yeah.
So when you import tons of people from Muslim countries that have no interest in defending your homeland, and then no one signs up for the military.
I'm not sure why Keir Starmer would be shocked at these numbers.
No.
So that's one that that's our uh special relationship right there.
And they've jumped into a lot of conflicts with this before, so has Canada, but Canada, Australia, UK.
Those are the people, and then Japan and Korea, obviously, I think as it makes sense.
Um Korea fought with us in Vietnam.
Did they?
Yep.
They didn't.
Uh-huh.
They actually gave troops to Vietnam.
So they're and Okay.
Sorry about that.
That was our bad, but thanks for jumping in anyway.
Um but uh Hegset actually did note how serious the threat was um in May at the Schenger La dialogue in Singapore.
Again, to be clear, any attempt by communist China to conquer Taiwan by force would result in devastating consequences for the Indo-Pacific and the world.
There's no reason to sugarcoat it.
The threat China poses is real and it could be eminent.
We hope not.
But it certainly could be so yeah, what really we want to come down to is like when we say China bad, right?
We've talked about China, we've talked about separating the people of China from the communist Chinese party, the leadership, all that, right?
But when we say that, the leadership, when we say the leadership is bad, and the direction of the country is bad, what do we mean?
So just to your point real quick, I do want to we do need to separate because I know we spent a lot of time shitting on India for lack of a better phrase.
They they also spend a lot of time technically shitting on their own on the street.
Literally.
So pardon me.
and they don't necessarily all even a majority of them want to be living under this system.
If you look at places, I think like Chongqing or maybe it was Chengdu, they're starting to project like anti-communist messaging up on their buildings.
That's dangerous for them.
Yeah, it is.
So there is a separation here, but the government still, you know, is who we're dealing with.
That government has one goal, and since 1990 or the end of the Cold War, it has been to defeat the United States in a military conflict.
Why?
Because they want to eventually surpass us on the world stage.
And this is not speculation.
They have made this very clear.
And they don't need to take over the entire world to do it.
There's this concept called realism in international relations.
And the idea of offensive realism is that, and which I think China subscribes to is that you need to continuously keep expanding your influence to make sure that that influence that you've gained isn't taken by another party.
Right.
And we know they want to control Asia.
And if they control Asia, that means they control about 50 to 60% of the world's economic activity.
If you do that, you don't need to storm the beaches of San Francisco or the beaches of Houston or wherever.
I don't know if you want to go to the beaches of Galveston anyway, but I digress.
Because you can put the screws to the United States in a million ways that are going to damage us beyond what we would even be able to recognize.
So they wouldn't even have to fight a kinetic war.
All of the best universities they're now in China.
All of these companies, Google, Facebook, uh, Apple, they aren't replaced with the Chinese versions of those companies.
Now you're working for those companies.
Do you think you have you think we have a problem accessing free and open information now?
Imagine when the top down is controlled from Beijing.
That is a scary world that no one wants to live in.
And the idea that this all comes from is something called Tian Sha and which is means under heaven.
It's how China has viewed themselves throughout history.
And then the name China, it's it's Jong Gua in China, that means middle country, which means from the inside out, everything revolves around China at the center and then the periphery.
That is what Xi Jinping wants to accomplish.
And you've seen when people do not, if we get to a point where we're trying to be antithetical to that, the Vietnamese tried that back in the 1400s.
I know this seems like we're going back, but China always likes to rely on 5,000 years of history.
They want to recreate that.
Well, they put the screws to Vietnam, invaded them, and made them become a tributary state to China.
Look at what's going on in Peru right now.
We talked about this yesterday, the fishing.
Yeah.
Do you think they're able to leave that chart up?
Look at look at that.
So right now that that border is is the coastal water.
So what is it, 12 miles out or 10 miles out?
You can claim as your waters, and then so international waters start right after that.
What you're seeing, all those dots, the vast majority of those dots are illegal Chinese fishing boats going there and basically stripping the resources that theoretically Peru has some claim to.
But this is Peru, this is in the Americas in the Western hemisphere.
This would be fall under the Truman Doctrine type of thing, right?
Well, why is China allowed to operate freely there?
Well, it's because they've paid off the Peruvian government with investments with building them new ports.
Right.
Those those illegal boats are serviced at Peruvian ports.
Yeah.
So the government is facilitating this.
So to think that they wouldn't put those kind of screws to the United States closer and closer, the more their power enhances, I think we are would be insane to think that.
So when someone says why is China your enemy, well, the same reason that they're trying to get people to sell them secrets.
Just uh yesterday, there was a Department of State employee that was charged with trying to steal state secrets to the Chinese.
Now it was a sting, but nonetheless, they're trying to do that.
The effort was there.
We have people in our government that are facilitating that.
So if anybody says why is China your enemy, there's a million examples to point to because they don't like what we are.
They want to be what we are, and they're doing everything in their capability to make that happen as quickly as possible.
That's my thought on it.
Yeah.
Well, and I think, look, I think that's all reasonable.
And there are a lot of people out there who would like to avoid a war.
And I think we would all be counted among those people.
But we are also realists in that, hey, we can't just assume that everybody else on the planet has the best of intentions for us and for our people.
So it's it's helpful to understand what the threat is and what it isn't.
And so one of the things I want to make sure that we do is we educate you so that you understand what the threat is not, because there are so many people out there right now that will title around breaking World War III or China set to do.
And all they're really trying to do is to get you to tune in to get a click to get some kind of money to get some kind of prestige from it.
And I understand that there is a titling world out there where you're trying to get people to understand what the video's about, make it interesting so that you'll want to watch it.
That's fine.
But constantly overselling stuff, it actually makes it to where I don't pay attention to it at all.
And so that's why it's important to understand why China bad.
Why is this stuff bad?
It becomes like the car alarm in the parking lot that everybody after about two or three years just said, well, another car went by and their motor was pretty loud and it set off the car alarm.
Nobody looked anymore.
Nobody cared.
Well, sometimes you need to care.
Sometimes a car is being broken into.
And right now, China is a situation that we need to be paying attention to.
If not for Donald Trump being president of the United States, we probably wouldn't be focusing very much on China in any kind of way that we should be, at least.
We'd still have some focus on them, but we wouldn't be taking concrete steps.
We wouldn't be taking the threat nearly as seriously because our guys seemed to be okay with it at the time.
I don't want you to be led astray by people online, especially people that are paid to post about stuff like Jackson Hinkle.
We thought he was dead.
That frickin' cockroach came back.
And he and he was posting about China, and we're like, come on.
We hadn't seen much from this guy for a while, and I thought he just, you know, found a wife.
The last thing I want to say is you're right about Trump bringing all this to attention and doing something about it, but he's kind of trying to straddle the line too.
He calls them deepest darkest China, but will not just ban TikTok.
I know he does he does.
Which is a which is a spy apparatus for deepest darkest China.
Everybody knows it.
So we it needs to be a full committal, or we need to just, you know, kind of resign ourselves to what's going to happen.
But you can't you can't straddle the line any longer.
Okay.
Look, we know that we've gone a little long today.
We did it on purpose because we wanted to be able to dive into this China segment a little bit for you.
Let us know what you guys think about it.
But here's here's I'm not admonishing because I only get admonished.
You're faster that than anything.
Do you always have that at the ready?
Yeah.
Excellent work.
Well, you did say in uh we can't infect a alien ship with a virus, but we did it in 1996 in the movie.
Yeah.
I I know I was saying we didn't have those capabilities because we don't have Will Smith to fly the ship.
Well, we still have Will Smith.
Yeah, but he can't fly a ship.
We've got plenty of Will Smiths.
He can't fly the ship.
He did.
He can barely keep his wife from the movie beating him.
I saw it.
Yeah, I saw him do it.
Anyway.
What I was gonna say is um ice cube.
We we we love your for your support.
We thank you so much for it.
We appreciate it.
I want some really great chats.
Not just today, but every day.
Ask really great questions.
Some of you have mentioned that we pick from some of the same people sometimes.
It's because we don't always get like great questions or chats to kind of go to.
And I know that we haven't really asked you a lot of times for these chats.
Sometimes they just kind of naturally happen.
Some people ask questions, some people don't, some people just comment.
And that that's totally fine.
Do what you want to do.
But if you're interested in getting your chat read, maybe roasted a little bit at the same time.
Um, then make it good.
Like we really do want to engage.
We want to answer questions, and most of the time we want to answer questions related to what we just talked about because we honestly want to have a dialogue with you.
Like what are you what what did we just say that made you go, oh my gosh, or pfft, you guys are idiots.
What whatever it may be, you may agree or disagree, we don't really care.
It's a good dialogue to have.
So give us some good chats here.
We'll read a couple before we go, maybe two of them, and then uh and then we'll go.
So that brings us to uh chat Friday.
Chat.
All right, hit me with something good.
All right.
First chat from RDPAL.
Have we stopped selling land to China?
Insane how China owns property by sensitive US locations like nuclear plants and military bases.
Uh I know there was uh, you know, some reporting that we did that uh Tucker Carlson picked up on uh later on about the the weed farms and things like that and land.
Um I know that there were other reports about Chinese, is it Chinese companies, Chinese nationals?
Nationals owning it.
Yeah, so Chinese nationals owning land around sensitive military targets potentially around the country.
Has there been any movement on the other?
Well, there's there's been state laws in Florida and I believe now Texas and other I think a couple other red states which have put actual legislation into place for this.
Okay.
Um and I think the federal government is working on this sensitive location thing.
I don't know what that is yet, uh, to be honest with you, where that's at in the process.
I don't like that.
It needs to be done at all.
Yeah, no, I I don't like the fact that somebody can come in like especially an adversary.
Let's just say in general, yeah.
Some other, you know, some other person who's not a citizen of this country.
It's like, we'll partner with somebody here.
They'll own the land.
We'll lease it to you.
But you can't own the land.
I'm sorry.
That's our land.
You just buy it all up.
No.
Or I think what we should do is encourage China to buy more land and then screw them over with a rug pull.
They bought it and paid for it, and then we just take it back.
Sound good?
Yeah, that wouldn't damage our reputation at all.
No, at a certain point you don't care though.
When they invade Taiwan, it's like you lose all your land.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that would be a good thing.
We'll have that chip to be able to pull from.
All right, next chat.
All right.
Uh one more or this this last one.
Let's do two more.
That was quick.
Okay, cool.
Uh next chat, then for Lane uh from Manadnock.
My impression of Taiwan is that they can keep off China by holding their own industry hostage.
You invade, we destroy it.
Is this correct?
Uh no, I mean no.
Yes and no, because yet they can.
And obviously TSMC would be a major prize for China to occupy, but it's not like China has the engineers to operate that anyway.
They don't.
But they'll just conscript the people that were there and threaten their families, hopefully.
In their eyes, not hopefully in mine.
When we think of the defense of Taiwan, we always frame it in the terms of, well, we're chip dependent upon them, so we need to do that because the TSMC has like 90% market share and advanced chips or whatever.
True.
But it's way bigger than just kind of reducing them to a chip factory.
Right.
It is uh symbolic in a lot of ways, uh, because it would it represents our credibility to our allies if we can defend if we'll come to the defense of them.
And it also gives China sort of free operation into the open ocean by getting past that island chain.
Right.
So it represents a lot more to China than just the chip factory.
And it should represent a lot more to our you know, strategist also than just the chip factory.
TSMC is a huge part of it.
And if China did take the island, I would recommend we blow up TSMC.
Yes, it's got to be a part of the plan.
Which is something like uh L. Like at the end of Fight Club, like stuff just starts blowing up all around if they get too close.
It's a it's a piece of the puzzle, but you can still see the puzzle if a couple pieces are missing, if that makes sense.
Okay.
Last chat.
Let's do it.
All right, last chat.
Let's get a good one to send us into the weekend.
Last chat for the show.
It's a new color at Crowder Shop.com.
I'm just kidding.
Last chat for more color is my thing.
I didn't know it was I didn't know it was any different.
It's like you brought me two Navy shirts.
Buy things from the crowders shop.
Just kidding, don't do it.
No, it's the new color thing.
I I can't say it's a new color.
Tim's like, so you don't know that it's a new color.
I'm like, no, you're right.
Somebody had to tell me that it was a new color.
Yes, Josh told you at the beginning, thank you.
Everything's gray.
All right.
Final chat from Morticia Adams.
Question Do you see a good future for U.S. capabilities in space within the next two years to fend off threats from China?
Hmm.
Um I'm not the best person to answer the space question other than to give like a general answer.
I think what we're seeing right now in the United States is is very good as far as it relate relating to space and our ability to kind of maintain an edge because we're seeing private industry start to take some of the lead there.
Um and I know that that's going to be messy, but we're doing things relative to space that we've never dreamed possible, right?
And we have people that are thinking big, that are dreaming big, and we are the place to be able to accomplish something like this.
Yes, you can marshal resources in an economy where you can basically just say, hey, we're gonna throw all the money, all the science behind this, we're gonna fund this thing, and we're gonna get something done.
I that that's been done before, I get it.
We've had a space race with the Russians.
The United States to some degree did that as well, right?
But that kind of played itself out because you can't sustain that forever.
Now with private industry coming in and seeing some kind of future in exploring the opportunities of uh being able to take more into space, obviously, whether it be like Starlink or something like that, or space tourism, that at least starts to sow the seeds of hey, we need to be investing in this.
We need to be thinking about this because space hasn't been cool for a very long time.
When I was a kid growing up, like going to space camp is something that I saw like on Punky Brewster or whatever the show was, where you would always hear about this, and there were movies that had space camp stuff related to it, and space was super cool, everything was awesome.
And then it just kind of died out, right?
After the Challenger explosion, you you kind of started to see it fall off, and then after um the last shuttle to to explode, I can't remember what it was, uh the name of it.
Um it basically it just wasn't something we talked about anymore.
But now there's a renewed interest, and I think it's coming from the right side of the ledger on this, where it's partnerships with the government and private space companies that are trying to develop technology to be able to take us into space And to go further, like obviously Elon Musk wants to colonize Mars.
You know, he's got he's got some goals.
Yeah, when it comes to military application, we just like the Soviets did with us, we can't just afford to keep spending more and more money and get in some sort of arms race with China because it's not going to work.
That's why I like that it's a partnership with private companies that have their own incentives to develop technology.
Sure.
And I mean, the military application of these space-based systems is important.
And if you look at anybody, any thinker, they're saying, yeah, a lot of our resources that we do spend need to be marshaled towards things like AI and towards space-based technology.
So I don't know how much they're doing of that.
I haven't looked into the details, but to the question uh that was asked, I think a lot of the government officials have come to the same conclusion that that's where a lot of our money needs to be invested to be competitive in the future with the Chinese people.
Yes.
And it was the Columbia in 2003.
I know that was quite a while ago, but yeah, I I just I mean, tell me what you guys think in the chat.
We'll we'll we'll talk about it maybe after the show.
But I I know that there was just this huge interest and it just kind of it just kind of went away.
I don't know why.
Space just wasn't nearly as cool.
Maybe because we weren't doing as many new big things as we were before.
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