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Jan. 24, 2025 - Louder with Crowder
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🔴 EXCLUSIVE: J6 Prisoner Enrique Tarrio’s First Sit Down Interview Since Trump Pardon
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The Department of Injustice wanted you to work with them to go after President Trump.
They tell you a story, right?
And they did this with a lot of J6ers.
If this isn't the truth, then we're not going to give you any deal.
Tell them to go kick f***ing rocks.
Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has been sentenced to 22 years in prison for charges including seditious conspiracy.
This becomes the longest sentence so far among all January 6 cases.
Now we have this sentence for what the judge described as the ultimate leader of the conspiracy, the leader of the Proud Boys, the person who is really at the center of the conspiracy.
Many took to X to mock the Afro-Cuban white nationalists for being the face of white supremacy.
I'm glad to see that the American people and our system of democracy and rule of law are holding people accountable.
Enrique Tarrio, more than three decades behind bars, is what they want.
He was the last Proud Boys leader to receive his punishment for the riot.
This week, the former head of the far-right Proud Boys was sentenced for his role in that assault on our democracy.
Enrique Tarrio was the ultimate leader of the conspiracy.
There's a terrible threat on the domestic front.
And a great threat may come from within rather than without.
Prosecutors say that he was essentially pulling all the strings and he would have been there on January 6th had he had the opportunity.
Today, let's start with the stories you've heard.
Enrique Tarrio, so-called leader of the Proud Boys, was convicted of seditious conspiracy.
And sentenced to 22 years in prison in 2023. And according to the DOJ, Tario, even though he wasn't in D.C., he was the mastermind of a plot to obstruct, influence, impede the official Electoral College certification on what is now the infamous January 6th.
You've heard him labeled Everything from a domestic terrorist compared to Timothy McVeigh or the Boston bomber to being a fed, a plant.
You likely believed a lot of these stories.
And he was locked away for them in a federal prison where he would stay until he was nearly 60 years old.
But if those stories are true, if any of them are true, Why the pardon?
Thanks to President Donald Trump, along with a lot of other people from January 6th.
Tarrio was released this Tuesday.
And so, for the first time in an exclusive sit-down with Brianna Morello on behalf of Rumble Premium here, Lauder with Crowder, Enrique Tarrio will give you his side of the story.
One that you no doubt have not heard from legacy media and certainly not reported by the government.
This is his detailed truth behind everything.
The days leading up to January 6th, the conditions in which he lived, what he was subjected to in prison, and above all else, hopefully the truth that you may never have known.
Well, it's an honor to be sitting here with the man himself, Enrique Tarrio, fresh out of the pen after, well, a couple of years.
And it's been crazy, Enrique.
Thank you for joining me.
You just were pardoned by President Trump.
This is your first sit-down interview, so welcome.
Thank you.
And I'm actually honored to be on the show and be here with you and be here with your audience and Steve.
Yeah.
I'm actually kind of disappointed that we didn't have the Steve Crowder mugs.
Oh, Mug Club!
The Mug Club.
Yeah, yes.
Well, we'll get you some.
Those are vintage these days.
Yeah, I'm holding it against them.
Well, let Stephen know.
He'll definitely have a couple of those going your way.
Because, well, I mean, there's a lot to celebrate, so you definitely could use a good mug on your hands these days.
It's been a crazy couple of days for you.
And you and I have been communicating over these last few days.
And I am a total disbelief.
You know, President Trump issuing this pardon to you after you were sentenced to 22 years in prison for a rally that you weren't even at.
So let's just get your initial reaction to the moment where you realize President Trump was going to give you back your freedom and get you out of solitary confinement and get you out of this prison system that they've been literally been going after you for.
Yeah, so you used the word disbelief.
I didn't have that disbelief.
I knew that if he got elected and they didn't steal the election, that we'd be pardoned, we, by all these J6ers.
And I knew he was going to pardon or commit the sentence of everybody.
It was a good hunch, because that's exactly what he did.
He went ahead and he pardoned everybody.
And he commuted some sentences, and some of those, I think, are temporary commutations, because if you look down that list of commutations, there are people that had very extensive trials, three-month trials, four-month trials.
In our case, specifically, there's about 60,000 pages of transcripts, so there's a lot to go through, and I think he did.
He did go case by case, and he saw that most of these cases.
Right?
Justice was, there wasn't equality in justice when it came to J6ers or when it came to other cases.
So I think promise is made, promise is kept, so I'm thankful for the president.
Yeah, and that's really something that he's always done, and I think it's really impressive that he did it the day he got there, and that was really, really important.
And you mentioned that there are some who haven't yet been pardoned, but they've been released from prison.
Stuart Rhodes, I mean, I followed his trial as well.
The amount of perjury committed during his trial was insane.
I mean, they literally put two officers on the stand who, now, because of Joe Biden, cannot be prosecuted, of course, because they issued a pardon to them.
They could be insulted.
Which I intend to do.
Yes.
I mean, you got to do that at least.
And I always tag them in my post too, and I do that on X as well.
It's just so enraging to see what's happened over the years.
But, you know, I want to take it back to your story because, like I said, you weren't there that day.
You were nowhere near the Capitol, and yet for some reason, the DOJ wanted you to go to prison for 33 years.
You were sentenced to 22 years, though.
Judge gave me a break.
Well, that's the part where I was kind of crazy, because I know when we spoke, you were like, oh, 22 years, not so bad.
That was kind of your initial reaction when you thought about it.
But talk a little bit about that, because 22 years is a very long time.
It is.
So when I first got...
When I first got arrested, you know, I hired my attorney, Naipa San and Sabino Jaregi, and they were awesome, first and foremost.
And they came in first meeting, they're like, look, you know, we're going to fight this thing, but just letting you know, if we lose, you're going to do about four years.
And I thought that was insane.
I'm like, four years?
Are you crazy?
As time progressed, and as they denied me bail, there was a gentleman, I don't remember the name, that he was the first person to go to trial, and I believe his name is Guy Raffet.
And I went to trial, and there was a big situation with that, and he got seven years.
He went to trial, he stood his ground, he took the stand in his defense, and the jury still found him guilty.
And we'll get into juries in a second.
It got increased to like seven years.
But I'm like, wait, hold on.
I wasn't even there, so they can't give me seven years.
But now we move the field goalpost.
Seven years.
So we decide to go to trial.
They offer me an 11-year plea deal.
And I wasn't going to take that.
I'm like, well, this guy got seven years and he was there.
He didn't do anything wrong, but he got seven years.
How are you going to offer me that I wasn't there 11 years?
And I denied it.
I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that.
So we go to trial, and we lose, obviously.
Jury.
Yeah, liberals.
And my attorney's like, look, they might give you a man.
I'm going to tell you, but you need to keep your nerves calm.
He goes, you might get 10 years.
I'm like, man, 10 years?
That's wild.
The PSI comes back, which is a recommendation by the probation officer.
The judges almost, at least in South Florida, because I've had other cases since my first rodeo, they usually almost 100% of the time go with what's called the PSI. PSI comes back at 14 years.
I'm like, 14 years?
That's crazy!
DOJ comes in and says, wow, we're going to give you, seditionists, we're going to give you 33 years.
That's how much we want to give you and you guys deserve it.
I'm like, alright, I think it's good that they asked for 33 years because it's outrageous.
And I'm like, because it's so outrageous, the judge isn't going to go for it.
So I'm not going to get the 14 years.
And you had a Trump-appointed judge.
I had a Trump-appointed judge.
I mean, the way that they appoint those judges...
There's a whole other ballgame.
But they were harder, the Trump-appointed judges.
Some of them, actually two of them, the two, I guess, I hate using the word lenient.
The more lenient ones were Trump appointees anyways.
But yes, the stronger ones were Trump appointees.
So I thought the ridiculousness of 33 years would...
The judge would be like, no, I'm not going to give him 33 years.
What are you crazy?
I was like, it's a Trump-appointed judge.
No problem.
He went ahead and he's like, I'm going to give you the 33 years, but I'm going to do something I've never done.
Mind you, this is the judge's second trial ever in his life.
I'm going to do something I've never done and I never plan on doing.
I'm going to cut your sentence almost in a third.
I'm going to give you 22 years.
I'm like, oh, that's nice.
But by that time, my co-defendants, I was supposed to be the first one.
My colloquine to him was based On me being first because I wanted to make sure that the guys didn't pay for what he was going to give me.
I knew he was going to give me a high sentence.
But I wanted to make sure that my guys didn't pay for that.
Because if I'm first and it's high, they set the bar high.
But it ended up being he got sick that day and I ended up being last.
And he gave my co-defendants Joe Biggs, Ethan Nordean, Dominic Pozzola, Zachary Real.
18, 17, 15, and 10 years.
And I came in being like, oh, I'm going to get four years.
That's crazy.
Getting 22 years.
And then after that, the DOJ actually appealed, before we were able to put an appeal, the DOJ appealed our sentence because it was too low.
Which is unheard of, by the way.
This is Matthew Graves' office.
And Matthew Graves' office, if you follow, he's very liberal.
And so...
When it's a tough crime, when it's a crime that's actually violence, when it's a crime that he probably should prosecute to the full extent of the law, he decides not to, and he opts out of that.
And that's the reason why D.C. is such a train wreck these days.
But to hear that they were appealing your sentence because they still wanted the 33 years is a gut check at that point.
Because, I mean, 22 years for a man your age, that is a massive chunk of your life.
That's a life sentence, let's be honest.
That's exactly what it is.
It's a life sentence.
And even getting those 22 years, again, I was like, damn.
But there was hope.
And I knew that, I knew in my heart, one way or another, I wasn't going to serve my full term.
Whether it was through appeal, whether it was through election, because I knew, if Trump won, I knew it was game over.
We were going to go home.
Yeah.
Because, again, we have the best president since George Washington, and he's kicking ass right now.
I mean, he literally came and just wiped out the whole Biden administration agenda on day one, and that's something that the American people wanted him to do, so we're thankful for that.
But, I mean, it's pretty crazy to sit here and look at what's happened to you.
The trial itself, let's talk about the trial itself, because...
Like we just briefly mentioned, it's in Washington, D.C. You're not going to get a fair jury.
That's, again, against your constitutional rights.
You should have the right to have a fair jury.
But you're talking about a place that literally has a majority of federal employees.
They don't agree with us politically on most.
I think Joe Biden won it back in 2020 by over 90% of the vote.
I mean, it's insane.
Yeah, so you're not going to get a fair shake at things with these people.
It's not only not fair to us, to us five and all the other J6ers.
It wasn't fair to those jurors.
You know, because they were honest.
You know what I'm saying?
I appreciate honesty.
And the judge put them on the colloquine and said, hey, do you know who the Proud Boys are?
Do you know who Enrique Tarrio is?
Yes.
What's your thoughts on them?
I mean, they did the whole, they went down the whole list of liberal talking points.
Yeah.
Nazi, white supremacists.
I know I'm a little lighter now because I've been locked up in a cage for three years.
Don't tell that to Joy Reid.
She was talking about you last night.
I revel in that.
Yeah.
But they went down that whole list.
And the judge is like, okay, are those strong feelings?
And they said, yes, those are very strong feelings.
And he said, this is the most important part.
They said, can you get those feelings and put them aside and judge this case by the evidence alone?
Do you know what their answer were?
No.
Were they honest?
They were honest.
They said no.
That would help you in appeal.
We cannot go ahead and we cannot set those feelings aside because they are so strong.
And I appreciate it.
I'm like, okay, well, this guy's going to go.
Well, the judge brought them all back.
This wasn't one juror.
This is multiple jurors.
The judge brought them back the next day and was like, oh, are you sure?
I don't know if you've sat in one of those courtrooms.
The judge sits up here, right?
He's in a black robe.
You know, he's looking down at you.
There's this God complex with judges that I would love for it not to exist in the American political system.
They think they're gods.
And they're like, are you sure that if I present to you the prosecution presents the evidence and I tell you what's correct and what's not that you can't judge this?
Well, they're like, oh, oh, judge.
Yeah, I think I could.
Congratulations, you're on the Pride Boy trial.
My guys protest a lot of the Drag Queen Story Hour thing.
And during the trial, they were protesting the Drag Queen Story Hour, which is awesome.
Well, the foreman in our, and he failed to say this, the foreman in our jury pool puts these events together.
He puts together Drag Queen Story Hour.
So, and he was, a foreman's usually the most influential person in the jury.
Yeah.
Right?
So, I mean, it's not, and I go back to it, it's not fair to them, because they hate us.
And I'm okay with that.
I'm 100% okay with that.
I don't want to jail them because of those feelings.
Now, if we're hiding things from the judge, that's perjury.
Yeah.
They should go to prison.
Mm-hmm.
They should go to prison.
Because of that.
Not because of their views.
You know what?
I guess I'm a libertarian when it comes to that.
I think DC should have all the liberal policies.
I don't think Congress should take over the district for Mayor Bowser.
I think they should get everything they want.
Let murderers go free.
I mean, because that would be the best thing for the rest of the country.
So they could see exactly what a liberal utopia looks like.
And it's not going to be anything like a utopia, but we're seeing it already in multiple cities, but I want them to do what they want.
They're still held back a little bit, but I want them to do what they want.
So in that sense, I'm a little different.
Well, you know, I mean, in New York City, they received an abundance of illegal aliens.
And as a result, if you look at how the 2024 election turned out for New York City, in every borough, Trump was able to win over more voters than he's done previously.
And it's numbers that we've never seen amongst Republican candidates.
And so, yeah, like you said, I think a lot of people are waking up to it because you're forcing it on them to admit that, no, this isn't racist to support this.
This is actually factually true that people should legally come into our country.
And if you want them to follow the law, chances are if they're coming in by breaking the law, it's not going to go over too well.
But that's what this country is learning.
They're learning these lessons in the tough way.
I want to talk about the DOJ, though, with you, because obviously the DOJ was gunning for you.
It was a persecution, not a prosecution.
And I think everyone needs to drive home that point.
When I talk to J6ers, everyone would go over about how, like, last minute evidence dumps happen, where a couple of days before the big trial, they would get all these documents that are humanly impossible for you to go over.
And inside it would be like a gem that you would need to defend yourself.
And if you weren't properly staffed with attorneys and their office is properly staffed, you might not be able to present that evidence at your trial.
And that's one of the many ways that they were able to railroad you.
Even forcing trials into the Oath Keeper's trial, their attorneys were like, hold on a second, we're not ready yet.
Look at the footage.
We need footage.
We haven't gotten all of our evidence yet.
And the judge just continued to just push it through.
So during your trial, were there any things that really kind of stood out that, and I joke when I say that because I know there was a lot, but is there anything that really stood out that you thought that DOJ was railroading you guys?
Rihanna, we only got an hour.
Well, you could just take the whole day.
Yeah, we could take the whole day when we talk about my trial.
Again, it went on for six months.
Yeah.
And then there was multiple things.
I mean, the telegram chats were, I guess, their main.
Piece of evidence.
The files were corrupt.
The judge allowed him to go through anyways.
I don't know if anybody is, people viewing this have used Telegram, but if I go ahead and I message you and I'm like, do you like chocolate cake?
And you type yes.
A year later, I can go back to that conversation and edit what I wrote instead of, do you like chocolate cake?
I'm like, do you want to form an insurrection?
And you wrote yes.
Well, on the Telegram app, it'll show that it's edited, right?
But when Celebrite pulls, extracts that information, that data point that that text is edited is not available.
So there was a lot of...
I'm not saying it happened very often, but the possibility of that happening, because these are big chats.
We have a really big group.
I'm very proud of it.
These are chats with thousands of people in it.
I mean, it looks, if you go into a Proud Boy chat, a big group chat, it looks like a treadmill.
Okay, I don't know how people keep up with it.
I just got back on Telegram and I can't look at my phone.
That's just one, not to dwell on that too much, but that was the biggest piece of evidence.
Other things we saw with Special Agent Nicole Miller that took the stand.
She perjured herself many times.
She was listening in to attorney-client privilege phone calls of Zachary Real.
She tried to hide it from us, so when she sent us the, it was a spreadsheet of her text messages with other FBI agents.
Well, she was supposed to delete the things that weren't relevant.
But instead of hitting delete, she hit hide.
So one of our attorneys by the name of Nick Smith, which is an amazing attorney, second to my attorneys, he is a really good attorney.
But he's like, wait, there's something hidden here.
Let me unhide it.
All the messages that were hidden were still about the case.
So we're like, okay, perfect.
This is a mistrial.
We're three months into trial because it took them four months to present their case.
And Judge was like, no, no.
Another thing that happened in our case was there was multiple FBI informants that were in the witness list.
When you turn in the witness list, you turn in the witness list before trial starts so that everybody sees it.
So they waited till I called that witness.
A day before I called that witness, they're like, hey, we just want to tell you something.
That witness that you're calling tomorrow, that's an FBI informant, and you can't ask them about it.
And I'm like...
There was also the deal with the FBI informants.
They had, I think the number is 26 FBI informants embedded within the Proud Boys.
And, you know, that's a big problem.
But it's not a big problem when you're not a criminal organization.
So these FBI informants, you know how many of them they brought, the prosecutors brought, like to take the stand against us?
How many?
Zero.
Because the FBI informants themselves were like, wait, no, these guys didn't plan this.
These aren't violent guys.
Are they their bad apples?
I'm here.
I admit to you that there are bad apples in the Proud Boys.
I wholeheartedly agree.
You know, my guys are pretty rowdy.
I could get along with 70% of them, but when you have a group this large, you gotta be able to.
But we called it up.
You know what I'm saying?
But these FBI informants that have been embedded with the group for years had nothing bad to say about us.
So they didn't bring them up.
So we had to bring them up.
And when we brought them up, one of these FBI informants that was in the Proud Boys for years was a person that He played a major role.
And inside the Capitol, he actually got a pedestal and he stopped a garage door from closing, which gave the rest of the people access to other areas of the Capitol that weren't accessible before.
And when we ask him, we're like, well, are you allowed to do this?
Yes, they are allowed to commit crimes in order to further their information gathering.
But again, I can go on about all the things that happened to my trial.
You've got to remember that this is the biggest, in U.S. history, this is the biggest operation by the Department of Justice, the most amount of indictments for political cause, the biggest amount of evidence.
I mean, there was terabytes and terabytes.
When we received our, it's hard to go through.
We got 26 terabytes of just...
That doesn't even include videos.
I'm talking about pictures, files, all sorts of shit.
So it was a lot to go through.
And I think it's intentional.
I think that's part of the strategy is just to dump everything on you guys so you guys can't see what you need to see.
Last minute.
Last minute.
And I think that's the part that I don't think a lot of Americans understand.
When you hear the rebuttal from the corporate media hacks, they're all saying, oh, well, he had a trial.
They found him guilty.
So all is fair and game.
But you don't have a moment to go through all of that evidence.
And a lot of it's nothing that's relevant in the first place.
It's just dumping to waste time and also to eventually your lawyer is going to bill you for it and it's going to bankrupt you because you have to pay these legal fees on top of everything.
People don't like to talk about that.
So, that's a tactic of, like, civil litigation.
You know, we hadn't really seen it in criminal litigation by the DOJ until these cases came along, where they just do a file dump at such a magnitude.
I mean, I've been sued, and a whole bunch of J6s, I've been sued.
I mean, right now, with judgments honed, I think I'm in, like, the eight or nine figures.
You know?
No, eight figures.
Let me know.
But it is a tactic usually reserved for civil litigation that they use in criminal litigation.
And they do it to you mid-trial.
What can you do?
The judge is like, well, it's new evidence.
I have to let it sit.
So we can't postpone the trial.
We can't do anything.
Let's go.
Let's move forward.
It's a miscarriage of justice.
Maybe those judges need to be prosecuted too.
And let me not say prosecuted.
Most of these people need to be investigated.
You know, and I think people are going to say, oh, well, he's asking for retribution.
I'm not asking for retribution.
I'm asking for investigation.
Like they did to us.
If you didn't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
Yeah, that's what they always say.
But then they all ran so quick when President, sorry, Joe Biden was asking for, yeah, you gotta be careful with that.
Joe Biden was asking who wants a pardon.
I know.
I'm like, hold up before we go.
I worked for a news station and I tried my best to hold out and not call him President Joe Biden.
I tried my very best.
We lasted a couple of weeks.
But, you know, it's crazy.
So I want to talk a little bit.
I want to ask you, you mentioned that the FBI special agent, Nicole Miller, I think you said her name was, was listening in on calls that were between you and your attorney.
Not me exactly real.
Okay, got it.
Do you know how she was able to listen?
Was it FISA or was it just a regular warrant?
There was the use of FISA, but there were certain aspects of it that we weren't allowed to view.
And honestly, I don't know the ins and outs.
My attorney would know more on that aspect.
But yes, FISA was used against American citizens.
I think there was a congressman that just said, FISA courts aren't used against American citizens.
Yes.
That's bullshit.
That's perjury.
Should be investigated.
I'm trying to put everybody in jail.
No, I'm not.
I'm really not.
Investigation.
But yeah, we found that out.
I mean, you find that out the hard way.
The only reason that we knew that there was 26 informants, it wasn't because they told us.
It was because we forced the judge because they didn't want it.
They're like, no, we can't tell you who our informants are.
And the judge, in his one act of kindness, Went ahead and said, hey, you have to go.
And we couldn't even get the evidence.
I couldn't see it personally.
They had to go to an FBI field office and view it in a secure room with an FBI agent in front of them.
They could take notes.
They could take notes, but they couldn't take any documents with it.
And they couldn't tell me, their client, the names of these informants, right?
Because it would put them at risk.
And, I mean, it's bullshit.
Yeah, well, you're supposed to be able to face your accusers.
And so one would think you'd be able to have access to these informants.
In fairytale America, you're supposed to face your accusers.
What I learned is this has been happening for a long time.
Yeah.
What they did to J6ers...
You know, we're super surprised about it.
We shouldn't be surprised about it.
The American government, the reason why they're able to do what they did is because they've been doing this for years.
They know how to do this.
And they've done it to many, many political movements, political figures.
You got Martin Luther King, Malcolm X. You have so many that, you know, the siege at Waco.
These are people that were investigated for doing legal Actions that should be legal in fairytale America.
And because of being investigated, prosecuted, it turns into crimes because of how they react.
And I'll be honest, how else are people supposed to react?
I'm pretty calm, cool, collected.
But put somebody else in my shoes that doesn't have throttle control?
And it would have been a bad situation.
When you do this to somebody, when you put somebody in jail for this, you have to ask yourself, as the prosecuting party, if I do this, will this person rationalize by the punishment, or am I going to radicalize them by the punishment?
And I can't tell you That I rationalized.
I can't tell you I came out of prison a better person.
I couldn't come out a better person because I was already a good person.
All these J6ers are good people.
So...
What happened is f***ed up.
And the treatment...
Maybe I had it good compared to other J6ers.
I don't know.
I'm not here to measure d***s.
But...
We saw what the system was.
Yeah.
And it needs, it doesn't need an overhaul.
It needs to be destroyed and built from the ground up again.
Yeah.
And we're supposed to have faith in our justice system.
And at this point, after following all these trials, because I started off and honestly didn't know much about the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, none of you guys at the beginning part in all of this.
And I start following, I'm watching all you guys get railroaded at your trials.
And it's not the system that we all think it is.
And I think that's the point we need to drive home here.
A lot of Americans think that our justice system is blind, but it's not blind.
And the prosecutors know exactly how to manipulate it their way, and they did just that against all of you.
And I think it's gut-wrenching.
I want to talk about treatment, because I think that's a big point, too, with you.
I think you endured the worst.
I've talked to a lot of J6ers, and I don't think anyone's had to go through what you've gone through.
You've been transferred to about 30 to 40 different prisons all around the country.
The First Step Act, which is supposed to keep you within a certain radius from your home, didn't work out for you.
They violated that.
That was President Trump's first-term policy that he was able to push through.
That didn't work out for you.
There was also solitary confinement, which was used as a weapon against you at this point.
You were held in solitary, which is you by yourself, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, for 23 hours by yourself.
No, I'll correct that.
Yeah, go.
So I'll correct that first, and then we'll go over it, but it's not 23 hours a day.
It's 24 hours a day.
Solitary confinement is 24 hours a day.
Yeah.
Okay?
Every three days, you get let out for 15 minutes to take a shot.
That's supposed to be the rule.
There was this moment in Petersburg, Virginia where I went three weeks with no soap, no shower, no toothpaste, no toothbrush, no deodorant.
I mean, I looked and smelled like an ape.
And the transit, it's called diesel therapy.
And what they do is, They keep you in transit so you won't be in one place comfortably as punishment.
And it's probably like the worst punishment because you don't get to get comfortable.
And to some point, and the most insidious thing about this whole thing, and I hate it, I hate it, is how easy someone gets used to it.
So it wasn't torture to me anymore as much as just kick back and relax.
I remember my last experience, and it was actually, it's not supposed to be funny, but it was funny to me, is my last experience was, and it happened like two, three months ago.
I was back in the D.C. Gulag, and they had to transfer me over to Pollock, Louisiana, and they had to bring me to Kentucky.
14-hour drive from D.C. to Rayson County, Kentucky.
And it's the first time in a long time that I was able to be with J6ers.
So they filled the bus with J6ers.
I was super happy about that because it's cool to talk to J6ers.
I'm going to be honest with you.
They're a bunch of rock stars in the prison system.
They're hailed as heroes in the prison system.
You know, I'm in the bus and we're in box cuffs and if you don't know what box cuffs are, I suggest you guys Google it.
It looks like a f***ing torture device.
It's literally a pair of handcuffs that has a box over it so it keeps your hands locked in a certain position.
You can't turn your wrists.
You can't bring them together.
And on top of that, you have a leather belt on and they're placed like this.
So you can't If my nose itches, which is the worst.
Which is the worst.
Forget about eating and all that.
Like, an itchy nose is f***ing as hell.
So I'm used to this.
I've been doing this for three years.
So these J6ers had just come in.
They were fresh.
You know, they were fresh meat.
Because they had just got...
They had to turn themselves in or whatnot.
Or the judges remanded them to the marshal's custody.
So when they're in there, they're like...
They're bawling.
They're like, what the hell is this?
This is torture.
They're going crazy.
I'm sitting in the back with a bologna sandwich, tossing it back and forth, eating it, just hanging out.
I had to piss in a water bottle multiple times.
They force you.
They don't make stops.
They don't make stops because once they lock you in, they can't open that door because they have us labeled as domestic terrorists.
So they have us on super strict.
I couldn't go on the regular BOP bus.
I couldn't go with regular inmates.
I had to be transferred with two marshals or deputy.
It's not deputy marshals because they're all deputy marshals, but two people, two marshal-approved officers in transit.
And once they close the door, put those chains on you, they're not taking them off.
And again, this is f***ing cynical as s***, but I mean...
Imagine eating a bologna sandwich.
I've become a professional.
Imagine eating a bologna sandwich.
Imagine having to urinate.
Oh, I could say piss on you.
Yeah, you can.
Free speech.
It's a great thing.
Imagine having to take a piss in a water bottle.
Okay?
In a moving van in box cuffs.
You gotta pull your pants down.
You gotta...
I don't know if the mic's gonna catch it.
You gotta kind of lean like this and like pee into the bottle.
I pissed all over the...
Not on the bologna sandwich, though.
No, I'm kidding.
Bad joke.
But I did piss all over the band, which means you deserve it.
Yeah.
But...
I'll go back to the story.
We're in transit and they're wailing these 14 hours.
I'm kicked back.
I'm like, dude, just relax.
Don't worry about it.
This was after President Trump got elected.
Okay.
And I'm going to say President Trump because he's actually been president for like 10 years already.
Yeah.
Eight years.
Yeah, I never did president-elect.
So, three terms.
We got three terms.
And then we get to Grayson County, Kentucky for 14 hours.
And we get there.
We go into the holding cell.
They finally take these things off.
And everybody's like, I can breathe.
I can breathe.
And then suddenly the deputy comes in.
He goes, okay, you guys are staying.
Blah, blah, blah.
We're going to put you guys in the shoe because you're a bunch of f***ing domestic terrorists.
And he's like, but Utario, don't get comfortable.
We're leaving.
And I'm like, where are we going?
Pollock, Louisiana.
And everybody's like, what?
You're leaving again?
He didn't even eat anything.
Like, we didn't stop and eat there.
And I'm like, hey, how far?
I'm f***ing calm, cool, collected.
I'm like, how far is Pollock?
He's like, oh, it's another, like, 12, 13 hours.
I'm like, alright, cool.
I'm gonna get to my spot.
You know, my thing was, I just wanted to get there.
I'm gonna get to my spot and...
And I was finally going to hit commissary or whatever.
But these guys are like, yo, listen.
And they brought me back to reality.
They're like, dude, you just did 14 hours of box cups in the van.
And you're going to do another 12, 13 hours on here.
And I did the 12, 13 hours.
I was actually happy at that point.
Again, cynicism.
Because I was finally somewhere where I was...
I knew I was going to get released from there.
So I was happy about it.
But at the end, it was like 27 hours or 26 hours in box cuffs.
You're only supposed to put an inmate, the worst inmates in the world.
Pedophiles, rapists, all sorts of shit.
Even if they have those box cuffs, they're only supposed to wear them for four hours maximum.
That day, I wore box cuffs for 27 hours.
It feels like your bones are being bent.
At all times.
There's no reprieve.
There's no, hey, let's take a break.
I'm going to take these off of you.
There's none of that.
It doesn't exist.
And I did that for three years.
That wasn't my first rodeo.
Again, I was used to it.
And again, I was excited to get to my destination.
Well, it's torture.
I mean, there's no other way to describe it.
It's torture.
It's intentionally being done.
And those within the Bureau of Prisons need to be held accountable.
And it's really infuriating that they think they can get away with it.
Because someone's calling the shots.
They're not going to get away.
They're not going to get away with it.
We'll make sure of that.
But, I mean, the fact that there's someone calling the shots, probably someone who's not within the prison itself, but they're...
Just keep shuffling them around because there's purpose in all of this.
There's a goal here while they're doing it.
They're trying to break you and they're trying to potentially create an issue for you and maybe create a situation where you might break and want to work with prosecutors potentially.
That's one of the points.
Yes, and that's what I wanted to kind of get to with this because you and I have spoken.
I think I reached out to you.
It was right after your sentencing.
And I talk about it all the time on my show.
I didn't want to do any media before sentencing.
I played by all the rules.
My attorney's like, hey, don't talk to the media before trial.
I played by all the rules and stuff like that, and I didn't do any media after sentencing.
I was like, f*** that s***.
F*** this judge, f*** the prosecutor.
But I'm sorry, go ahead.
No, you have a right to feel that way.
So it's funny because I would wait until everyone was sentenced and I'd reach out to them.
And a lot of people just don't understand how it works.
You guys actually, when you're in the DC Gulag, had tablets with you, from my understanding.
And so you're able to receive messages.
And so once you were sentenced, I did reach out to you to talk about all of this.
And you and I have had several conversations throughout the entire process.
And you made me aware of something that I've never heard before.
And it exclusively came from you.
And I'll let you detail the story.
The Department of Injustice wanted you to work with them to go after President Trump.
You were going to be used as a tool to prosecute him in his J6 trial.
So I'm going to hand the floor to you so you could tell this story because it's remarkable that this even happened in the first place.
And that's what we'll go into the torture thing.
And a lot of people caved in.
A lot of people caved in.
They're like, look, I don't want to do this.
They caved in.
And, you know, I could have been home earlier.
And this is what they do.
They tell you a story, right?
And they did this with a lot of J6ers.
They tell you a story.
They're like, this is a story.
This is what it is.
Do you agree with this?
And you'll be like, well, just point C is true, but point A, B, D, E, F, Z is not true.
They're like, well, okay, deal's off the table.
If this isn't the truth, then we're not going to give you any deal.
They're not...
The Justice Department is supposed to be seekers of truth.
The blind lady, which is bullshit.
The little f***ing scale, that doesn't exist.
They're supposed to be seekers of truth.
So when you do that to somebody, What you're doing is, listen, just say what's on this f***ing paper and we'll send you home.
You'll get bail.
And we can put this behind us.
You do that to the most powerful person in the country and he wasn't technically president at that time.
You do that and you are committing an act of treason.
You are committing an act of treason.
You are currently working with a false government that is trying to jail their dissidents.
We saw with President Trump what they did with all these bullshit charges.
A lot of people deitify President Trump.
He puts an altar, puts a little candle.
I don't do that.
I don't do it And it makes it so much more amazing because the fact that he's human and he's been able to fight back and he's been able to win 100% of the time is beyond anything I've ever seen.
It's pretty inspiring, to be honest with you.
And I took that inspiration when they did that, where they put that paper in front of me and they're like, this is the truth.
I'll be like, no, actually, none of it's high grip.
You can go home if you do that.
I'll give you bail.
And I told him to go kick f***ing rocks.
Yeah.
I wasn't going to do it.
I wasn't going to do it.
But a lot of people did.
Not specifically with President Trump.
I'll give one example.
I hold no ill feelings towards it.
This is a time to be happy.
I am happy.
But on that commutation sheet, there was a personal friend of mine.
His name's Jeremy Bertino.
Testified in trial.
And there's a level to snitching, right?
One thing is that you go ahead and you say something and you become an informant or whatever.
And I myself did.
A couple things back in 2013 I'm sure we'll touch.
Then there's the ones that take the stand and point the finger at you.
But there's another level that's so nefarious and so evil.
And I saw evil that day.
He took the stand and not only did he point the finger, but he lied.
He sat there and he lied.
He knows that we did not plan this.
He knows that there was no intention of...
What happened that day wasn't intentional.
It was a protest gun.
And I'm not going to sit here and I'm not going to condone assaults on police officers.
I'm not going to sit there and I'm not going to do it.
Did these guys deserve to get prison time?
I tell you, absolutely not because the system's rigged.
But he sat there and he lied about the whole thing.
And to get his...
His time off.
He's not going to do any time.
And the president commuted his sentence before he was sentenced.
I don't know how the process works.
I don't know if he still has to go to sentencing and he gets that commuted.
But he should go through what we went through because we went through hell.
Benedict Arnold.
But it all works out at the end.
Because the payback is he could He can't really, like, he can't have pride in his name.
I have a lot of pride in my family name.
So does the Nordines.
So do the Bigs.
So do the Reels.
So do the Pozolas.
You know?
Any J6ers last name, they have pride in their name.
But the Bertinos and the Donahos and the Greens.
You can't use your last name.
And I don't wish him any ill will.
I hope he's extremely successful in life, but I doubt it.
Because he can't show his face anymore.
He's a liar.
And he's a traitor.
But, again, I don't hold any ill will towards him.
There's a lot of pressure for those who are dealing with the prosecution that you guys all endured.
And so, you know, it's a common theme that I've heard of people.
Taking deals that they normally wouldn't have taken.
Maybe stretching the truth just to comply with whatever the DOJ wanted to do to get them off their back.
I'm sorry.
I wasn't opposed to taking, not that deal, but like a plea deal.
I wasn't opposed to taking it if it was like, I f*** you, I sign it, whatever.
Let's get it done.
But they were being 11 years.
I wasn't going to take that.
I want to talk about this because I think this is an important part here.
The plea deal that they were offering you, from my understanding, was that they were going to try to get you to discuss President Trump's involvement in January 6th as if there was a connection between you and President Trump.
Was that what was on that piece of paper when they slid it your way?
Yes.
And they said, do you agree?
Okay, so that was when they proposed 11 years for you?
No, actually, I wouldn't have done any jail time.
Period.
Zero.
If that was the case.
I could have been in my warm bed.
I could have been eating good food, which is overrated.
I ate my first burger yesterday, and I didn't even finish half of it.
But, yeah, I have no connection to the president.
As much as I would love to have a connection, be like, hey, what's up, dog?
Hey, I'm going to go to the Oval later.
I have no connection to the president.
You know, I'm not...
I'm not...
I'm not that important.
But they wanted you to draw a line between you and the president on January 6th.
Is that correct?
And they were hoping that you were going to do so with somebody between the two of you because they knew that you didn't know President Trump directly from what you've told me.
So I want to dive into that a little bit.
And obviously I know that this is something that's going to be going on for quite some time for you.
So I know you can't dive into all details.
But I do want to talk about that because I think that's what the American people want to hear.
How desperate the DOJ was to go after President Trump.
Put him in prison.
And to destroy him.
So he couldn't run for president this time around.
At the end of the day, that was the goal, right?
Yeah.
The goal was to take...
And I completely...
Listen.
I completely understand this tactic.
I'm not...
I don't think America's ready to use it.
But the Democrats already have used it.
The goal of the game, right?
Because it's a game.
The goal of the game is to take the other opponent's pieces off the field.
Right?
They did that with J6. But the main piece, the King piece, was still alive.
And they wanted to take that piece out.
Whether it was by hook, by crook, or by a sniper rifle in the hands of a 21-year-old.
Or, I forgot what that old dude.
Whatever.
They tried to kill him.
They tried to indict him.
They need to take out the king to play this game.
That's not a game that the United States is built for.
We're a republic.
We make our changes on the ballot box.
We saw that in November.
Now it's our turn for the next four years.
I don't want to play that game, but that's the game that they're playing.
I'm okay with it.
Everybody's okay with it, but America's not okay with it.
For the most part...
That was the goal.
The goal was to get the president by any means necessary.
And they used me, they used people like Roger Stone, they used people close to the president to try and get them to flip.
But if there's something that Mr. Stone taught me, and we've been friends for years, and I look up to the guy, is this stone don't run.
Right?
And that's very important.
Loyalty is very, very, very important.
You know, it's not like cult-like loyalty.
I'm not talking about that.
That's what they always spin it.
It's not cult-like.
These are my friends, right?
And if there's anything I can do with my four guys or any other of my guys that wear that laurel, this laurel, If there's anything, to me, protection by any means necessary for them is number one.
If I have to kill my reputation for it, if I gotta take...
There's so many people that say, I'll take a bullet for you.
If a person tells you that, it's bullshit.
And I do that because I know that they would be willing to do the same thing.
I know Joe Biggs would do that for me.
Without question.
I know Ethan Nordean would do that for me with no question.
I know Dominic Gazzola would do that for me with no question.
I know Zachary Real would do that for me with no question.
And I'm talking about my brotherhood, but I'm just talking about our tribe.
Our tribe is you, Crowder, the American people, those people that voted for Trump, the people that didn't vote for Trump, sometimes.
We're part of the tribe.
But this is my tribe.
To me, it isn't about country anymore.
I don't have that patriotism that a lot of people have.
I don't.
I'm tribal.
And it sucks that I'm this way, but it's the only way to be.
My people come first.
And, you know, the president's included in that.
And I wasn't going to betray my tribe.
Because he didn't betray me.
And he didn't do the actions that they were trying to say that he did.
Which I think is, can you detail a little bit what's on that piece of paper?
For legal reasons, I can't, I will be able to talk about it at one point, but, you know, just, I'll tell you what this, it was, if George R. R. Martin would ever finish his fifth book, this is a story he would write.
So I'll tell you, that's what I'll tell you about it.
There is no way in hell I was going to do that.
Thank you.
And this is something that took place, right?
So the DOJ pulls you in and they show you this piece of paper.
Is this something that happens with your lawyers present, without your lawyers present?
Do you have legal representation?
I can't get into the details.
I'd be putting myself in legal jeopardy if I tell you exactly what was going on in that room.
Yeah, we've got to get the president to get you immunity for this.
I think it's interesting to talk about these things because to see the lens that they went to is crazy.
And from my understanding, there was supposed to be a person in between the two of you as they drafted it to be the individual who was communicating back and forth between President Trump and yourself.
I'm sure you can't disclose it, but I'm going to ask you anyway.
Is this somebody who is a close ally of yours?
Is this somebody who was even made aware they were looking to do this?
It was a very distant person to me.
I've said this before.
It was like a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend.
And even that friend that's connected to me is somebody that I didn't have much interactions with.
Interesting.
Yeah, it's interesting to see how that even takes place.
I do hope President Trump can give you immunity for that so we can talk about it.
I think the American people need to know how far our DOJ went under Joe Biden to go after their political opponents and President Trump, obviously, as well.
But I think that's really, really important.
Enrique, you know...
A lot of the times when I post about your stories, there's always a bunch of people like fed, fed, fed.
And so I've got to ask you these questions, and that's really important for me.
And it's a fair question.
Yeah, and I've gone through, because I've read some of your court transcripts, and I did notice that you have worked with law enforcement in the past.
Yeah.
So just going to throw this out there and be as direct as possible.
Have you ever in your entire life been a federal informant or an asset for the United States government?
Yes.
In 2013, Law enforcement's not supposed to be bad.
It's not supposed to be.
In retrospect, after what we've seen here, the situation in 2013 was a criminal organization that ran different types of black market situations, but their main method of business was sex trafficking.
So, like, I'm not here to try to hail myself as some type of hero that took down some criminal organization or some shit.
But I did do that.
I did do that in 2013. I was a security contractor for the DOD for 12 years.
You know, there is a mixture within the stories, not the transcripts.
You know, transcripts are transcripts.
They're accurate.
But some of the stories that came out, they kind of mix my work with the federal government to that portion that happened in 2013. And I ran operations in some of those cases.
So, yeah, I was.
Being pro-law enforcement, and I guess there's a theme here.
I am pro-law enforcement.
I think that some of those Some of those police officers that were there that day, some of them, not the ones that were clout chasers like f***ing Pussy, Michael Fanone, or what's the other, what's the big thing?
Harry Donnie, the one who committed perjury during the upkeepers trial too, but he's out there crying.
I mean, he had the best platform to run for Congress and he's a loser.
How do you lose that?
You have the liberal clout.
You have the liberal clout.
You're running in like an ultra-liberal and you're a loser.
Henry Dunn and Michael Fanone are losers.
But wait, stop.
I need to stop myself because I said I was pro-law enforcement.
I'm not pro-Dunn.
They're not law enforcement.
They're a bunch of clout chasers.
Some of those cops that went there, let's be honest, they were doing their job.
Their job was to protect the building.
I get that they swore an oath.
I can give that...
Benefit of the doubt to some of those people that have that argument that they swore an oath to protect the Constitution, and some of those people were there.
Actually, all those people were there projecting their freedom of speech and defending free speech by being there.
But, like, those cops' job, they're cops, right?
There's a building.
This is your job.
Protect the building.
They were protecting the building, right?
Some of the, I mean, Lieutenant Byrd's a f***ing murderer.
He should be in prisons for what he did to Ashley Babbitt.
He shouldn't just be in prison.
He should be put in box cuffs and put on diesel therapy and taken around the country like I was.
Right?
But some of those cops were generally just doing their f***ing job.
So I'm not mad at those cops.
Right?
Did they do a poor job of it?
Yeah.
Did the cops...
We can't be binary.
The cops that were up there shooting down at protesters, f*** you, you should be in prison.
You were randomly shooting.
You weren't shooting the front line of prisoners.
Well, technically they were prisoners.
Yeah, they were going to be.
They weren't shooting the front line because what you're trying to do is you're trying to push back that front line so you shoot it.
No, they're shooting the back.
They shot a hole through somebody's face.
Yeah.
The dude literally had a napkin in there.
He could floss the little hole in his cheek.
Some of those cops should be prosecuted, but I'm going to tell you, I'm not anti-law enforcement.
I'm not.
If somebody wants to judge me for that, by all means, f*** you, do it.
For what I did in 2013, you want to judge me?
F*** you, do it.
That's fine.
It doesn't affect me.
I feel like I did the right thing.
I'm unapologetic.
I'm seditiously unapologetic and a pardoned seditionist, supposedly.
I mean, it sounds cool.
It really does.
It's not true, but it's cool.
Yeah.
Cool title to have.
Yeah, no, I understand that.
I understand that.
And the thing that came up in court, I believe, that while this is why people are confusing that, I think, with being an informant, that you worked with...
Local law enforcement often when you and your guys would go out to protest and obviously that's Antifa who's going to be there.
So talk about that a little bit.
That's different.
I'll tell you why because like I have a responsibility to keep my guys safe.
The mission when we would go I talk about it like it's like some fucking militia but there is a mission.
The number one objective when we go somewhere is and these are these I guess these are the priorities.
Number one is safety.
Number one.
My goal is to, by any means necessary, and I keep using that term, is to keep my guys safe.
I want all my guys safe without injury and without being locked up.
Right?
Up until December 12th, I was very successful at that goal.
Every event that I either put together or attended with my guys, there was no arrests.
there was no injuries um and uh since it's my responsibility to do that when we go into a city city like cesspools like portland we pick we pick the worst cities to be But it's the cities that have the problem, right?
Portland, Seattle, we saw what they did with Chaz, Austin, surprising in Texas.
Yeah.
New York City, Washington, D.C. When we come into these, I have a responsibility to keep them safe.
So I do contact local law enforcement.
You want to judge me for it?
F*** you.
I contact them.
I tell them we're going to come into town.
I tell them, hey, you don't need a f***ing permit.
You don't need a permit to put an event together.
I don't take permits out.
I march on the streets, on the sidewalk, wherever I could that I don't bother law enforcement.
And I call law enforcement to make sure that My guys and any counter-protesters are kept at a safe distance.
It is my job to make sure my guys come home safe, and that is what it takes to do it.
You're not supposed to be afraid of that.
Obviously, we are now because we know how they operate, and I'd still be kind of skeptical about one agency.
Kash Patel has probably the hardest job besides the president's because it's probably the most corrupt agency.
I mean, it's been corrupt ever since Hoover started it.
But you're supposed to trust law enforcement.
You're supposed to trust them, but we can't.
We've come to a point in America where we don't trust those institutions.
I was always in a different mind state about law enforcement.
I've changed a little bit my views on law enforcement, but I'm not going to apologize.
Well, do you regret, because it was used against you during your J6 trial, do you regret orchestrating with local PD? Because the accusations you were facing during your J6 trial was that you orchestrated January 6th, even though you weren't present.
That was the argument they were trying to make.
And so they were trying to kind of, from what I could see just from reading it, say that the experience is...
Previously that you had by orchestrating with local law enforcement kind of made it seem like this was what you were doing.
You were orchestrating with police.
I mean, do you regret?
Because it was used against you.
I don't regret and I apologize for shit.
Yeah.
Apologize is dick.
I don't know how you commit an act of sedition when you're literally calling the cops and being like, hey, I'm coming to town.
I would share my live location.
You know, with the liaison, whatever liaison, I come into town to share.
I have nothing to hide.
I have nothing nefarious, so how the f*** am I going to come into D.C. and be like, hey, Officer Shane LeMond, right?
Because that was the officer that the DOJ railroaded.
Good cops get railroaded.
He needs to be pardoned.
And I'm working on that.
Hey, I'm coming into town.
Here's my live location.
The Proud Boys are gonna be here.
We're gonna march here.
They knew my plans completely for January 6th.
Why would I... If I'm gonna storm the Capitol, if I'm going to commit an act of sedition, why the f*** would I tell the cops?
The same cops that supposedly we'd want to beat up to get in there.
There was no goal there.
Right?
If you're...
There's no objective.
If I wanted to do it, it would have been done correctly.
I didn't want to do it.
I didn't plan on doing it, but if I wanted to do it, it would have been successful.
I mean, we're talking about conservatives who, and this is why the left likes to lie, and they're very misleading, but they like to make claims that...
I'm so angry about this mug thing.
Can somebody get me a Sharpie?
Yeah.
Mug club.
Mug club.
You really do need one.
You don't really need to come up.
They're vintage items.
I just wanted to shit on Crowder for a second.
Oh, man.
Don't worry.
We're going to get all that.
That's going to be expedited overnight.
Well, I'm going to go see him at some point.
Yes, you have to.
You have to.
I think it's so crazy that they make the argument, though, that you guys were orchestrating all of this and that they did it.
I mean, they try to make it seem like it was an insurrection, obviously, that's their big narrative.
But we're talking about 2A, conservative Americans, who if they really wanted to do what they were accused of doing, they would have came armed.
And then you see those on the left, Democrats, come out and they say, oh, well, they were armed.
Well, not a single one of them were actually charged with that.
I know also they like to talk about Officer Sicknick, who died of natural causes.
We know that because that's what it says.
Yes, and it's heartbreaking, yes.
It is.
It's heartbreaking for the family.
I understand the plight of his family, but I feel like it's an emotional thing.
You've got to blame somebody.
I get that.
You know what?
I'm not going to shit on their family.
Let them do whatever they want.
But he did die on natural causes.
It's an autopsy.
We're here for facts.
And nobody was charged with manslaughter.
And I'm sure if the DOJ could put a little linkage between anyone on manslaughter, they would have done so.
I'm actually surprised that they didn't do it.
Because they could have done it.
They had the jury to do it.
I mean, listen, in our trial, if they would have charged us with like jaywalking, treason, money laundering, like they could have put any charge on there that was like so obvious that we're innocent of, that jury in DC would have found us guilty.
That judge would have granted them full...
Four rights to do whatever the hell they want.
Those prosecutors would have came down.
So I'm actually really surprised actually that nobody got a manslaughter charge for that.
And I think it has to do with the autopsy and the hurdle.
I mean, let me not say hurdle or grand jury indictment because the grand jury indicted me for a document that I never even opened or read.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was a document.
Let's talk about that for a second.
Because how did that document make its way?
From my understanding, this document was forwarded to someone who was close, and then it was pushed over to you.
But who was the originator in that document?
So, like, unfortunately at that time, I had no idea, because for one, I never opened the document.
All right, let's start with, let's just start with, I'm flat out telling you I didn't open it.
And the prosecutors, actually, and the forensics people that took the stand, they're like, no, we don't have any evidence he opened it.
And this document, what specifically was it about?
It was, check out this name.
It's called the 1776 Returns.
Okay.
But the actual document, that's nefarious.
It's not nefarious.
It's a regular 1776. It shouldn't be nefarious.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Turn into a liberal there for a second.
Calm down.
I need a show.
For some water.
I haven't drank that one.
You can take it.
It's not in a Crowder cup.
Ah, bad.
So.
But the document itself is not nefarious.
It's like a sit-in thing.
We see this all the time.
You go into a building, you sit in, you lock arms.
Which is kind of...
It's cringe as shit.
I wouldn't do that.
Well, here is the perfect excuse.
I would never use that document because it's cringe as fuck and I would never do a fucking sit-in.
I would never do that.
But that's what the document states.
There's nothing nefarious about it.
But...
The document does have...
There's a weird story there.
I find this out later.
The document was...
It wasn't authored by him.
It was edited by him.
Because the original document, I think, is a little different.
But by the name of...
I might be getting...
I think you got the name right.
It was Samuel Armis.
I don't think I got that one.
Oh, you didn't?
No.
Okay, well...
I know, breaking.
I know, like, I don't...
You're never gonna get over it.
I'm not gonna get over it.
So, this guy, it was a war game document, right?
The original, the very, very original document, and I can't, not that I can't get into it now, but I need to get some more information on the actual origins of the document, but the...
The document, as we state, is a CIA war game, right?
This isn't a conspiracy theory.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
I f***ing hate the QAnon s***.
But this is a CIA war game document to show, well, if this happens, how do we stop it?
You know?
And it was put together by somebody that...
Put together a CIA. Now, he sent it over to another friend of mine, which forwarded it to me, and if I could show you my phone, I'd show you that I get a million messages in the network.
I don't have time to view messages.
I don't.
Especially now.
Yeah.
Imagine.
But I never opened the document because I never f***ing saw it.
That's what they used to use the grand jury and how the f*** they got me because they took a year and a half for the grand jury to indict me.
And how they got me is they finally unlocked my phone and they found this document that they knew I never read, opened, edited.
I never knew this thing existed.
They put this in front of the grand jury.
They're like, he had this on the phone.
They never said anything else.
They had this on the phone.
And the grand jury's like, oh, well, f***.
It's 1776 returns.
That's what people were screaming.
You know, they think they're revolutionaries.
I think we are revolutionaries, by the way, in the legal sense.
I think that we...
2016 was a revolution, but I think 2024 is top soon.
And for the record, by the way, the individual, we're not going to say the name, but the individual who sent this to you in your phone, I won't even talk about, but they...
They denied any of this, really.
And they were very just...
Did not speak at your grand jury poorly about you.
Didn't even actually answer any questions.
Took the fifth, from my understanding.
I'm going to tell you that that person is solid.
That person...
I heard the recording.
That person stood their ground.
When they went ahead and went after them with guns blazing, I heard the recording.
They dug themselves in the sand, so yeah, she could have done what Jeremy did.
Yeah, and didn't do that.
At this point, I wanted to drive home that this was somebody who knew that you were being railroaded and wanted to not partake in that behavior because they knew that something was very wrong about this.
They're trying to nab everybody and trying to throw shit at the wall, and they had this giant shit truck with a fire hose, and they're just hitting the wall.
And all of it's stuck.
It's 100% conviction rate.
Yeah.
You know, maybe they're like, well, it's 100% conviction, right?
Because, you know, you guys actually did something wrong.
No, fuck you.
It's because of D.C. It's D.C. Well, actually, I remember at the very beginning of the trials, there was one J6 defendant who actually was found not guilty by the judge.
They waived their right to have a jury.
And I was like, well, maybe that's a winning strategy in D.C. Yeah, it is.
Actually, you do better with not much better.
Yeah.
Let's be honest.
Yeah.
No, it's not bad.
But you do a lot better with some of these judges.
And he was an Obama-appointed judge.
Yeah.
He's a judge.
He's a judge in a case.
I don't know what to do with this.
If you need more water, you're going to have mine.
I have not drank enough.
No, I don't want that cup.
Mug.
He's a judge now in these civil lawsuit cases with us.
He's a piece of shit.
Yeah.
I get that he's my judge.
Sorry if you're watching this, but you are a piece of shit.
This is why people love you, though.
This is why Americans flock to you.
It's funny, I was watching as you were making your way back to Miami.
We should mention this, too.
So, for all of you at home, obviously, you were pardoned and you made your way back to Miami this week.
And I was a victim of the insurrection.
You were a victim of an insurrection because the media actually got very violent.
And we should talk about it for a second.
I mean, the huddle of the media and as they were going and trying to take photos, ask you questions.
Talk about that.
That was interesting.
It's a funny story because I kind of didn't want to do a lot of media when I came home, so I kind of just wanted to be doing this.
Yeah, yeah.
I heard that.
Clout chasing 101. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
But what I wanted to do is I wanted to get to the airport.
Any questions, just kill it off.
One shot.
Yeah.
And stop the bullshit.
So my mom.
Great woman.
Great woman.
Warrior.
Was overly effective.
I told her, hey, let's get some media out at the airport so I won't have to f***ing deal with them all the time because I kind of want to just get home and grill.
So she brought in and was like, dude, it was like about a hundred cameramen and news crews and all of that.
And what they did is they went in a stack formation, right?
And they say this.
We, Stuart Rhodes, went in a stack formation into the Capitol.
Oh, yeah.
So they made a hallway, and then I hugged my mom, I hugged my fiancé, my dad, everybody was there.
And as soon as I start walking, I'm about to walk through this hall, but I stopped.
Because I'm like, okay, let me start answering some questions.
So this group of insurrectionists comes in and closes boxes me in, and I couldn't say anything.
And it started getting really violent, and they started punching each other.
I mean, it looked like January 6th, you know?
Kicking, screaming.
I had to leave law enforcement for law enforcement.
They did an excellent job.
Of kind of diffusing the situation, getting me out of there in time, and throwing me in the truck and getting the f*** out of there.
But it was a cool...
I mean, you could have thought it was like some f***ing soccer star, you know?
But that is not thanks to me.
That is completely thanks to the warrior that I have as a mother.
She's...
She's been f***ing amazing.
Yeah, she's been great.
She's kept me in the loop on all of this.
And she's definitely someone who, I mean, I was joking with you, but I'm like, I don't know if my parents would ever do this for me.
But she's been someone who's been by your side in all of this and taking on the media because there's a lot to take on because they have been bashing your character and who you are as an individual and the organization, the Proud Boys and going after all of you.
So I think it's laughable that they were actually very violent themselves.
Well, when you get on Crowder and you call the judge a piece of s***, Yeah, you could expect a little bit of heat back, but it's true.
I'm sorry.
It's true.
It's true throughout this whole thing.
I'm just a regular street kid from Miami.
I don't think I say anything different than anybody else does.
I think maybe some people disagree with some of the views that I have.
I disagree with their views, but I don't say anything different.
There's nothing special about What I'm saying.
I want Second Amendment rights.
I want First Amendment rights.
They've created me.
The liberal media has created this persona that doesn't exist.
He simply doesn't exist.
I'm a regular dude.
I got a regular family.
I live in a regular house.
I'm not rich.
The government's trying to make me poor by suing me.
But...
They needed a boogeyman for that day.
They needed the 22-year guy because they couldn't get the guy that they wanted.
Right?
President Trump, yeah.
Yeah.
They got...
I mean, in the chessboard, they didn't get like a pawn.
They wanted the king, and they got a bunch of knights, which is what my guys are.
They're a bunch of knights.
I know.
But they're very honorable.
They're very noble.
They're everyday Americans.
They love this country.
There's nothing extremist about our views.
I always ask anybody when we talk about the Proud Boys, it's like, okay, we're extremists, but what are we extreme on?
What is it exactly that you disagree with us so much that you have to call us extremists?
It comes from our side, too.
Oh, the far right.
I use far left just to get a jab in there.
Yeah, but we use those terms.
We use terms different because we use it as like, okay, look, this is what you're going to call us.
We're going to call you this.
It's reactionary.
Our views aren't far.
November 5th proves that.
Our views are mainstream because average everyday Americans agree with us.
And you might not agree with 100% of our guys.
Like I said, I don't agree with a lot of things that Like, individual members, we're not a focus group either.
You know, we're not a laser-focused group that focuses on two-way rights.
Listen, in order to become a member, all you need to do is be a man, be born a man, which is crazy.
You gotta say, born a man.
I'm out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe that might be another lawsuit heading your way.
Discrimination.
Bruce Jenner's crazy enough as it is.
Bruce Jenner's in.
Oh!
So Bruce and Brianna not.
Yeah.
Probably.
You know what?
Maybe I went too far in there.
The guys will probably...
We're not going to take it, James Jenner.
But that's all you need to do.
You need to be born a man and you need to recognize that the West is the best.
Western civilization.
They're like, oh, that's a dog whistle for white supremacy.
So, like, our entire system of government is white supremacy.
Is that what you're f***ing saying?
You know?
So...
And you don't got to go to a rally to be a member.
Actually, 90% of the members don't go to rallies.
The most political thing they did is, like I said before, they went to go vote.
You just have to come out of the house once a month and drink a beer with the boys.
That's it.
That's a tough requirement for some of us.
In a beer bottle, not a mug.
I like that.
So, I was listening, and a lot of media outlets are referring to you as the former leader of the Proud Boys.
It's a tough question.
Are you the former leader of the Proud Boys?
So, we've made a decision about three years ago, almost before I came in, that we're not going to be publicly stating what our structure is.
It puts us at jeopardy.
Gavin had to step down.
Because they were going to do the same thing to him back in 2018 with Max and John.
For those that don't know, our dudes were defending themselves.
And New York State indicted the defenders.
They were in self-defense.
And they got four years in prison.
And Gavin had to step down to show that we're not We're not this gang of criminals.
Because that's what they were trying to do in the New York court.
So he did it honorably.
He stepped down.
He did that by any means necessary thing.
He did it.
He stepped down.
He took the pride hit.
This is the organization he created.
And that's how that cookie crumbles.
I love my guys.
It's a brotherhood.
But we made the decision to not talk about our structure publicly.
But I would suggest that people stop referring to me as ex-proud boy reader.
I like it.
I like that a lot.
Alright, before we go, I've got to ask you, because obviously...
No.
Damn it.
You've been receiving a lot of the torture that's gone on.
I have to say, I've talked to Jay Sixer all the time.
I think that you got it the worst out of everyone.
So I want to really hear your opinion on this.
How does the U.S. government, now that we have a new administration turnover, make things right with Enrique Tarrio?
It's not about Enrique Tarrio.
It's about what happened with Jay Sixers.
And not only Jay Sixers, you know, we had a lot of political persecution during the Biden regime.
You know, we had Beverly Beatty.
She's still in prison.
She didn't get pardoned.
She was not pardoned.
I'm talking to her husband right now.
As of earlier this week, there was rumors.
Her husband did go to the prison to pick her up because he thought she was going to get pardoned, and they told him no.
She's still there right now.
I actually just got a letter from her this morning, which broke my heart because she was counting down the days until she thought she was going to be released.
She's a good friend of mine.
Really good friend of mine.
Her husband spoke highly of you.
Yeah.
Yes.
I thank him.
I thank him daily.
And I actually, I'm sorry.
Now I feel horrible because I didn't know.
Yeah.
We're working on it.
I'm catching up.
I'm within 24 hours.
All of the best people are on the case.
I've called them all.
Not all the best people because you don't have me.
We've activated you.
We've just been activated on the Proudershow.
We need a mug for that.
They're coming your way.
I'm going to reach out to the producers.
I won't mention the bugs anymore.
I'm kidding.
I will.
I didn't know that she wasn't pardoned so I feel really bad that I haven't kept up with that.
Not only Bevelyn, there's other anti-abortion pro-life anti-abortion pro-life demonstrators that I was actually in transit with one because I've been in transit with probably everybody that's in the BOP. I've been in transit with them.
They're great people.
I gave them like 10 years or something like that.
So it's not about just me.
It's not an Enrique Tarrio thing.
It's not a Proud Boy thing.
It's not a January 6th thing.
It's a political persecution thing.
How do we get...
What kind of restitution would right these wrongs?
And it might be money, but...
It might be putting the people that did this, fixing the system is the true way we fix this.
And the way that we fix the system is investigations.
They need to be investigating.
I'm going to quote Pam Bondi here.
The investigators need to be investigated and the prosecutors need to be prosecuted.
And there needs to be justice.
And for the years of life that you've taken...
That the Biden regime has taken from the Biden and Obama regime.
Because we saw it with Ross Ulbrich.
We saw it with Ross Ulbrich and we need to see pardons for Assange, Snowden, Shane LeMond, the officer that got railroaded.
If you guys are listening, please Google Shane LeMond and read about the case.
He needs to be pardoned too.
A way that we could start is we could get the government to start paying out to these families that have been affected by political persecution.
They should never happen again.
Put the perpetrators in prison.
Start cashing them checks.
I think it's fair.
And I think a lot of these people who...
I think that investigations also should lead to those who are involved, judges, prosecutors, everyone who touched these cases, to be disbarred because you should not be allowed to practice law or have anything in the justice system after allowing what took place to take place.
And it's the only way that we could restore faith in the justice system if people are publicly punished for what's taken place.
But so far, I mean, obviously we're just a few days into the new administration, but we haven't seen anything coming out of a lot of the Crossfire Hurricane characters.
And so that's why they're...
They're just so emboldened to keep doing this.
They're so fucked.
We're hopeful.
I'm not just hopeful.
It's the president.
It's the president in a way we've never seen him before.
There's nothing to lose right now.
He's going to make America great again.
And it's not going to be through retribution.
It's going to be through success.
And some of that success consists of putting people behind bars.
Yeah, well, we look forward to that.
Enrique Tarrio, enjoy your freedom.
I am.
I'm enjoying it right now.
I'm glad to hear that.
Thank you, sir, for sitting with me.
Sorry about the mug.
No, don't be sorry.
You know what?
I've given you guys so much s*** about the mugs, I think, just to do it.
They're just going to send you a bulk Costco order.
He's going to drop a pallet right in front of my house.
Yeah, they will.
They probably will.
I need a f***ing mug.
It's probably in the way right now.
I promise you that.
Thank you.
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