Oct. 4, 2024 - Louder with Crowder
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| Hey, this is Whistleblower 52 for Open Minds of America, talking with marginalized communities on why hate | |
| has no place in Texas, or America, or on Earth. | |
| Have you seen that billboard up there? | |
| Have you seen it? Can you believe this? | |
| You don't think it should be taken down from the city? | |
| They shouldn't allow this kind of hate? | |
| We're from Newfoundland or from Canada, but we're Polish, too. | |
| Like, they came over because of the Holocaust. | |
| So what was worse for them? Was it the Holocaust or Newfoundland? | |
| I think there should be a point of compromise from both sides. | |
| No, I want the city to take it down. | |
| Yeah, it's been there for a while, too. | |
| It's changed my mind, so I kind of like it because it gets people talking. | |
| Do you work here? Have you noticed that while you're here? | |
| We're asked because a lot of people in the city are upset about it. | |
| We're trying to get the city to take it down. | |
| I haven't seen it. Do you think that has any place in the city here? | |
| That kind of hate? Which one are you talking about? | |
| No, not the Amazon. | |
| They're great. Okay, I'm sorry. Hell yes. | |
| Yeah, no, it's Bezos. He does a lot of good. | |
| So, is that talking about the, like, Donald Trump type of wall? | |
| Yeah, the border wall. He said, we should build a wall, you know, change my mind, like, have a conversation about it, but, like, I mean, people coming to the city, they're going to think it's a city of hate. | |
| But if you ask me, I don't agree with that position, but I think that they are in the right to express their opinion. | |
| But yeah, I find it repulsive, yes. | |
| But you think it should be allowed to stay up? | |
| Yes, yes, I think so. | |
| Even though I find it repulsive. | |
| But if it's repulsive, why do you think it should be able to stay up? | |
| I mean, it's hate speech. | |
| Yeah, but they're expressing their opinion. | |
| I hope that if I express my opinion and someone else finds my opinion repulsive that I will still be able to express it. | |
| Okay. Okay, so you're old school with that. | |
| What do you think about, because right now, both candidates, too, like, when at first we were protesting, you know, Donald Trump always said build the wall, but now Kamala Harris says she's going to build one, too. | |
| So what do, I mean, how do you, like, how is that allowed, you know? | |
| Only four years ago, if you said that, people would say it was, like, hateful and it was ridiculous, but now everyone is saying it. | |
| Yeah, no, and it's clear that immigration is now a hotter topic. | |
| Right. | |
| And of course, you know, given that we are about to have to go into the presidential | |
| elections, I'm sure that they have moved to the center, that position, like the Democrats | |
| have moved to the center just to attract some of those like independent voters. | |
| So you think Kamala Harris is saying build the wall to move to the center? | |
| Yes. Yes, to attract some of those voters that are not like the traditional democratic base. | |
| Okay. That's my perception. | |
| Okay. I didn't think of it that way. | |
| Yeah, I guess that's kind of a... | |
| Because now a majority of Americans support some kind of... | |
| Like, it's changed. The numbers support some kind of... | |
| Yeah, it's changed. It's definitely changed. | |
| What do you think about the immigration thing with the election, then, as far as this? | |
| Like, I'm assuming that you're... | |
| Mexican? Lucy, you know I don't speak Mexican. | |
| I'm not a Mexican! | |
| I'm Colombian, but I'm a U.S. citizen. | |
| It's close, though. Yeah, yeah. What do you think about the immigration right now in the country? | |
| Do you think it's just something they're using to, like, they're using to turn people against each other? | |
| No, so I think there is a problem. | |
| I think, for example, that asylum, the asylum figure has been abused. | |
| That's my perception. | |
| I think that regardless of who is in the White House starting, you know, January, you know, the current asylum structure will definitely change regardless. | |
| You mean we need to take more asylum? | |
| We need to take more? No, I think we need to regulate it. | |
| By bringing in more of them, like pay to bring in more? | |
| I think there has to be ways for people to immigrate into the United States legally, but definitely not just getting to the border and saying, hey, I'm here on a political asylum let me in. | |
| I think that figure like that is not sustainable. | |
| Well, if we could just say, well, just make it legal for everyone to come here, then I wouldn't have a problem with it being illegal. | |
| Well, you know, the same way when people go into your house, like you... | |
| Hey, have you seen this billboard? | |
| Have you seen this billboard? Have you seen that? | |
| You think that should be allowed here in the city? | |
| Yeah, why not? Because it's hateful. | |
| I mean, it's saying, like, build a wall. | |
| I think you guys need to go talk to the black people in the neighborhood. | |
| I don't think it's hateful. They're Mexicans. What? | |
| I think it's hateful. We should build a wall. | |
| Should build a wall? Yeah, f*** yeah. | |
| Well, you said it. Yeah, I'm full of the wall. | |
| Yeah, I find the message repulsive, but I think they should be able to say it. | |
| Freedom of speech. Yeah, freedom of speech. | |
| That's why people want to come here. Yeah, but that's a white guy. | |
| He's a white guy. That's racist. | |
| Your soul. That's racist. | |
| Your eyes. That's gay. | |
| That's homophobic. That's black. | |
| That's racist. That's why I'm trying to talk, like, take it to the streets with, you know, Honduran. | |
| Colombia. Okay, so... | |
| But if we just make every... | |
| Like, the problem is the reason... | |
| It's only the reason that people... | |
| First off, people can't be illegal. | |
| I think that's ridiculous. | |
| But the only reason they're illegal is because we say they're illegal. | |
| So why don't we... I mean, just everyone should be able to come. | |
| Just let anyone in. Yeah, my point is that, you know, from a purely pragmatic perspective, that's just not going to work, right? | |
| Because, you know, there will always be people like that guy... | |
| That won't agree with it. | |
| So there has to be something that most people can agree with. | |
| That's why I don't believe that any of the extreme positions where no immigration or full immigration is going to work. | |
| That's just not pragmatic. | |
| You don't have votes in Congress for anything like that to pass. | |
| So there has to be some type of compromise. | |
| I'm just approaching this from a purely pragmatic perspective. | |
| But I do think that it has to be, you know, I came here as an immigrant. | |
| So you came in like at night across the... | |
| No, that was not my case. | |
| No, I came here as a student. | |
| You can do it that way? Yeah. | |
| You can come here as a student, which is what I did. | |
| And I went through all the different processes, so I was never here illegally. | |
| There are many people that have come into the United States illegally. | |
| In the U.S., when you graduate from a U.S. educational institution, you get a temporary visa called an OPT, which is a temporary work permit. | |
| Okay. And then from then on, you can go through different stages and different layers. | |
| And then, yeah, in my case, through multiple stages. | |
| It took me 15 years, but I became a U.S. citizen. | |
| Oh, but some people can't do that. | |
| So you didn't come here with a coyote? | |
| No, no, no. That was not my case. | |
| I never wanted to do that. | |
| I know several people who have done it. | |
| I don't believe that that should be the way. | |
| Because my perception of this is, if I'm going to your house, and you invite me to your house, you're going to set the rules. | |
| You're going to say, you can come here at 2 p.m., and you're going to go through the door. | |
| Like, if I show up at, you know, 5 a.m. | |
| and I'm trying to make it into your house through the window, you're going to be like, what the heck, man? | |
| Yeah, but that's also, like, I mean, that's the problem with capitalists. | |
| Like, I don't believe in private property. | |
| I mean, it's an illusion. | |
| I don't know if you've read Marx where we talk about that, where it's actually collectively... | |
| So that's why the analogy doesn't really work for me. | |
| I understand what you're saying, but I'm big squatter's rights. | |
| I think everyone should be able to share everything. | |
| What is a border, right? | |
| I'm sure that Colombia is the same thing as America, and the wall is just... | |
| That's like an idea. Yeah, of course. | |
| And I'm not sure you're familiar with the situation in South America, but for example, right now, they have a dictator in Venezuela, Maduro. | |
| He's been pretty harsh on people. | |
| You're playing music too loud? Right to jail. | |
| Right away. Journalists, we have a special jail for journalists. | |
| 9 million Venezuelans have actually left the country. | |
| And many of them have ended up in Colombia. | |
| Colombia has accepted... | |
| But that could just be what the media wants you to believe, right? | |
| That's just what they're showing you. You also have a big chunk of Venezuelans that have come into the United States. | |
| That's why, like, when I moved to Texas, like, 10 years ago, like, I only, like, very occasionally found a Venezuelan. | |
| But now you're running to Venezuelans all the time because they are coming here... | |
| Because of all the pressure of people leaving Venezuela to come here, running away from what's happening right now in Venezuela. | |
| Now, as fate would have it, if you believe that kind of thing, about half an hour later, the universe blessed us with some actual Venezuelans who were enriching America, their beautiful culture, and contributing to our diverse fabric. | |
| No, I don't speak, but that's the problem, right? | |
| It says build the wall up there. | |
| It's racist against Espanol. | |
| Build the wall? You think that should be allowed in the city? | |
| Oh. Yeah, definitely. That's why I'm voting for Kamala Harris. | |
| It's build the wall. | |
| Mexico, it says build the wall. | |
| That's what that poster says. | |
| No, we want to remove El Poster. | |
| Where are you from? | |
| Venezuela. | |
| Venezuela, okay. | |
| How many years have you been in Mexico? | |
| What did you say? | |
| Hola, senor. I know a little bit. | |
| One? One? | |
| One? And do you think that everyone from Venezuela should be able to come? | |
| No, speak English? | |
| No. Good. You should keep it that way. | |
| Yeah, no English. | |
| No habla, never habla. | |
| So Venezuelans are going to Colombia now? | |
| What are they doing? They probably let them all in. | |
| So at the beginning, they did. | |
| That's what I'm saying. Yeah, see? | |
| But then, you know, once we reached, like, two million Venezuelans, then the capacity of the country to absorb so many people, like, reached a limit. | |
| Right? So you had, like, Venezuelans, like, sleeping on, like... | |
| There were many Venezuelans that turned into criminal gangs just because they couldn't find a legal way to make it. | |
| So you see that there has to be an organized way of doing things. | |
| You know, I'm sure that you have driven around the United States. | |
| I don't have a car. | |
| I want to loot. Lots of empty spaces. | |
| You know, I've always imagined that a good way to develop, like, all these, like, empty, like, rural areas, some of them, you know, run down, would be by just creating immigration in a smarter way. | |
| For example, you can say, okay, you know, we want to develop, like, these... | |
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| We're going to need, you know, three pharmacists. | |
| We're going to need, you know, ten teachers. | |
| We're going to need, you know, two lawyers, you know, whatever. | |
| You get the idea. And you start recruiting, let's say recruiting from, like, all the different countries, people with the specific characteristics, and you tell them, okay... | |
| You're allowed into the country, but you're to establish a community in this area. | |
| So they can still come to the States. | |
| They can come and live here in a safe way. | |
| But it sounds like you're saying they need to have certain skills or abilities to be able to... | |
| I mean, a lot of people don't have that. | |
| Right, but you also need, you know, bakers, you also need janitors. | |
| So as long as you have some type of ability and you can document that this is what you do, you know, whatever that is, even if it's, you know, humble, you can still come into the States, you know, legally or into a specific region and you can just live there. | |
| But so... That's why, you know, I always look for, like, pragmatic ways of doing things. | |
| Okay. Because just, like, allowing, like, saying, okay, there will be no immigration rules, like, everyone can come here. | |
| That's just going to be, like, you're going to find people like that. | |
| It's going to be like, what the heck. | |
| Or, you know, the other way around, saying, like, no one will come into the States. | |
| Only, like, it is only for U.S. citizens. | |
| that's also not going to work because we all know that this is a nation of immigrants and people need to be coming. | |
| Even like recently, you know right now, we've seen that over the last couple | |
| years, you know, part of the strength of the US economy has come | |
| from the fact that you've had like these, you know, very you know, big new labor force available that are taking | |
| many of these jobs that became kind of displaced during COVID. | |
| They took our jobs! | |
| They took our jobs! | |
| They took your jobs! | |
| They took your jobs! They took your jobs! So I do feel that there is a value and a big benefit in immigration, but it has to be done in an orderly manner, in ways in which The host, which is like, you know, the citizens of this country, will feel comfortable. And that requires some agreement, some negotiation, some compromise, but that's how I think about it. | |
| Oh, okay. Because you're Colombian, you're talking about this one. | |
| Why are Cubans so racist? | |
| All my people, we love this country in June 2020! | |
| The super Republican, you know, I have a friend who's that way. | |
| He's like, hey, I'm not South American. | |
| Like, I, you know... | |
| Yes, so I would say Cubans are different because they The Cubans that you meet here, they are fleeing from the communist regime in Cuba, like the Castro regime that has been going on now for like 60 years or so. | |
| So that's why when they come into the States, many of them, they actually hate the left because they're fleeing from that. | |
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But that's typically not what you find in other Latin American countries. | |
| They're not fleeing like a communist dictatorship, which is what you have in Cuba. | |
| So that's why when those Cubans come into the States, they tend to align with the Republican Party, which is kind of like the anti-left party. | |
| Which is racist. | |
| I wouldn't characterize it like that, but yeah, let's say they're more on the right of the political spectrum. | |
| But definitely, people coming from other countries, they don't have the same experience. | |
| So that's why, from a purely political perspective, you see that, say, Mexicans that come here, or any other... | |
| You know, Latin American country, they will be more, like, they will typically tend to be more on the democratic side, but Cubans are definitely different from that perspective. | |
| Yeah, definitely. They seem, like, really hardcore. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. I absolutely get it. | |
| Oh, man. Well, I know you got work to do. | |
| We were just asking people, what was your name? | |
| I'm John. John? All right, thanks, John. | |
| What's your name? My name is Skylar. | |
| Skylar, thank you. Yeah, we were just, like, a lot of people are upset about this. | |
| And why are you doing this? Because I think it needs to be taken down. | |
| I don't think that, you know, we have a place for hate in the city and it upsets a lot of people. | |
| Are you getting any traction? Honestly, like, I'm surprised how many people are okay with it who say, like, what you say. | |
| Like, I mean, because remember, that was, that was like a big, I mean, I just feel like we've changed, we've gone so far right so quickly. | |
| Like, when Donald Trump was first running, he said, build a wall, you know, a lot of people said that it was, you know, obviously, like, rightfully so, like, racist, but now Kamala's saying she's going to build a wall, and this is up here, and, like, not enough people seem to have a problem with it. | |
| Do not come. Do not come. | |
| I mean, I'm just, you know, I come from, like you said, I'm being super left, but, like, anywhere else in the world, I'd be considered normal. | |
| You know, it's the states. We're like a right-wing here. | |
| It's like a right-wing fascist country. | |
| And this is just, this wouldn't be allowed in Europe. | |
| It wouldn't be allowed. I spoke with someone from Canada because, you know, like, free speech doesn't protect hate speech. | |
| There's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy. | |
| I thought more people would be more upset about it. | |
| I mean, I respect what you're saying because, like, I don't want to... | |
| I don't want to white-splain to you, so I'll listen to your perspective, but when I hear white people say it, like, oh yeah, it's fine, I'm like, you know, it's upsetting, and we're trying to get it to take it down. | |
| Yeah, and I do think it's upsetting. | |
| I agree with you. | |
| I find it despicable, but at the same time, I believe that people should be able to express their opinions. | |
| Oh, I appreciate it. |
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