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Jan. 15, 2024 - Louder with Crowder

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“It’s White B*tches!” | Black & White on the Gray Issues

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	Do you have to renew your license at all?
	Like, for a beauty license?
	How often?
	Every two years.
	And what's the test like?
	I do 15 minutes of sex trafficking, and then you gotta do five hours of just continual education.
	What'd you say?
	Sex trafficking?
	Okay.
	You're gonna have to give... What?
	The chasm between white and black Americans is growing wider with each passing day.
	Our views, culture, general outlook on life are so different that even living in the same community, sharing the same space, is something that's almost unfeasible.
	At least, that's what you'd believe.
	If you're an avid consumer of legacy media.
	Trust should not be doled out easily to anyone, especially white people.
	Here's the thing I've noticed, and you can comment if this is the same for you.
	It doesn't match up at all with my lived experiences, and that's what's inspired me to actually do what the likes of these legacy media outlets refuse to do.
	Get out into the community and have real conversations with average Americans.
	Black Americans.
	White Americans.
	Not caricatures of what the media thinks black people are.
	People like Van Jones.
	I was shaking listening to him talk.
	In the latest installment of this series I made my way to a cultural mainstay in modern black American society, the barber shop.
	Because really what better place to find authentic unfiltered perspective than the place that's iconically known as the breeding ground for conversation in the black community.
	Do you think they'll pass me today?
	That's interesting.
	And what did I find?
	Are black and white Americans as far apart from each other as we've been told?
	Well, see for yourselves.
	This is Black and White on the Gray Issues.
	You know what it is?
	It's white bitches.
	I'm not gonna lie.
	Oh, I don't give a shit.
	It's white women.
	Okay, let me ask you this.
	Has there ever been a group of people That has had it better than white, and yes, I mean white women, not even white men, white women in the 21st century who complain more.
	Think about it.
	Everything.
	It's like, they have all the benefits of being like a protected class, but they're also just white people.
	So, you know, they just, and everything is a complaint.
	And those are the ones who always get offended.
	Like you saw at SMU, they come like, you can't say that.
	Like, what the hell?
	And that's how that started.
	Like I would say like, that's racist.
	I'm like, what's racist?
	Say that black people make better comedians?
	Like, have you heard of Richard Pryor?
	Like, that's a, that's a compliment.
	Like I'm a comic.
	They're like, you can't say that.
	That's a stereotype.
	They say it for black people, white women.
	You're just like, you just shut up.
	Some people always just want to be heard and be seen saying a lot, but not saying anything at all.
	I know.
	You know, so it's white women, white people, you know, they have it easy.
	No, it's not like that because I'm not that type of dude.
	The white people do have it easy, but white women, absolutely, I absolutely agree with you.
	I'm terrified.
	You know, what gets me was, or is, I've been sitting at a, like, downtown Dallas.
	Yeah.
	And some people, uh, I walk by and they lock their door.
	Yeah.
	It's like, man, I have nothing, I would do nothing, anything to you, but just to be... Well, yeah, they also get the teardrop tattoo and think that means you bagged somebody, you know?
	You gotta give them that.
	But I'm not, I'm not, God is unapproachable.
	I know, I know.
	That means he's been initiated!
	I saw Gran Torino, I know how this s**t ends!
	I don't think that's very specific right there.
	I don't think that's very specific right there.
	You just seen that and you kind of like, Oh, just shift to this.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Like I tell you what, if, if like, if I didn't know Post Malone and I was driving, I would
	lock my doors.
	You know, I'd hide my cocaine.
	That's why it makes it stand out more though, because it's like you're making a statement like, did you see this?
	If someone has like a bunch of tattoos, you just think they're a hipster.
	You know what I mean?
	But the teardrop, you think like, Well, because I come from, I was raised in Montreal, where the crazy thing is people don't realize like the biker gangs there.
	A hundred and, I think it was a hundred and sixteen people were killed in a decade from biker gangs.
	Like the biker gangs are going to sit here and they're like, we won't send, the hell's angels, like we're not going to send anyone out to Montreal.
	They're incredibly violent because they have the ports set up a lot.
	Everything comes into the ports in Montreal before it gets to New York.
	And so, people kind of know there, it's not like a teardrop tattoo, but if you see that, like, three-piece rocker, you just, it's, it's a sign.
	They're letting you know.
	So it's the same thing in certain areas in the States, right?
	If they see, like in LA, if you see a teardrop, for sure.
	I mean, I lived in Englewood for a while.
	If I saw teardrops there, I would, I'd be like, all right, I don't wear red, don't wear blue, you know, just stay neutral.
	This would be the worst shirt to wear when I was in Englewood.
	It's all earth tones and beige and khaki and sh**.
	But I understand what you're saying, but it is... I'm being stereotyped, though.
	Yeah.
	But at the same time, I get it.
	But I'm one of the people, I guess you have to get to know me.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Well, that's the same with a lot of... What I was saying, too, like, I'm stereotyping now.
	Like, we can't be code blind, because that's stupid.
	And then you can't just make it the sole identifying factor, right, is race.
	Like, there's a middle ground.
	Like, recognizing the differences and being like, that isn't what defines you.
	Well, it's the same thing with anything, whether it's, you know, sexuality, orientation, it's like, hey, that's a part of you.
	So when people are like, I don't see a color, it's like, so I know you're a liar.
	Like, that's not true.
	But you also don't want to be like all black people, all white people, and I know the irony is not lost on me, I just said white p****, but...
	That's largely true.
	It is, it's a weird, it's a weird time where you kind of have to pick one of these two lanes, and neither one is necessarily helpful.
	And it's just, it really is often, like I will tell you this, my interactions with, generally speaking, like if I hold a door open, This will happen, everyone will tell you, especially after the Me Too era.
	If I hold a door open for a black woman, you're just like, thank you!
	If I hold a door open for a white woman, either they don't say thank you, or they're like, I can do it myself.
	It's like, I didn't mean to ruin your whole day like that.
	What do you think?
	Do you think I'm trying to sexually assault you, holding a door open?
	I have better interactions, and this is one of those, I have better interactions, generally speaking, with black women than white women, specifically, just because You can talk, and they're not looking for a reason to be offended.
	All the time.
	That wasn't your experience.
	I had this experience on both sides.
	I think that's upbringing.
	Sure.
	The way you was brought up and the way you are.
	Because I've held the door open for a black woman, and she just walked on through.
	And I'd be like, okay, well, you know.
	I've held the door open for a white woman, and she'd done the same thing.
	Sure.
	White and black have said thank you as well, but some women, period, if I hold the door open and they don't say that, I'm like, okay, well, you know, I'm sarcastic.
	What were your names?
	My name is Maya.
	I'm Jasmine.
	Jasmine, nice to meet you.
	I won't shake your hand and leave the mouse and stuff in there.
	I don't want to mess up.
	But okay, let me ask you, Maya, if You're just sitting there, like, you're just going about your day, and a man compliments you, like, says, like, oh, you have beautiful skin, or oh, I like your hair.
	Does that make you uncomfortable at all?
	No.
	See?
	Most white women answer yes now.
	No, it wouldn't happen.
	That's been my experience.
	I will specifically hold back compliments with white women.
	And I mean, I say because I'm not going to compliment a white or black dude, you know, unless it's his teardrop tattoo.
	That's very good work.
	You should let your artists know.
	But yeah, I will hold back because you will get some.
	It's a 50-50 shot.
	They'll get mad.
	And that's just, I think, comes from, you know, maybe more traditional views of kind of decorum and chivalry, where it seems like black women, even if they don't appreciate it, aren't offended by it.
	Like, white men have to, they walk on eggshells all the time now, where that's a big reason we want to talk about it.
	Like, let me, okay, let me ask you this.
	And this is just, it's just a statistical reality.
	Why do you think that 70% of suicides in the United States, 70% are white men?
	Like consider because we often people think they have it really easy, but it's just they're twice as likely to just off themselves as black men.
	It's crazy high.
	Honestly, I believe sometimes stability is one of the biggest ones, honestly, because they have such a prestige way about wanting to be the upper class, I would say, put it that way.
	Like when it's hard times, a lot of people, I won't just say white, but a lot of times black people come from hard times and white people kind of don't sometimes.
	I won't say everybody, because you have a different life experience, but just from an overall world Spectrum?
	Yeah.
	It seems like when it gets a little harder, it's hard for them.
	I think that's part of it.
	I think that's part of it.
	And the pressure of the family.
	Because there's a lot of pressure dealing with the family.
	Then it's the man in the house, you know what I'm saying?
	Not just the man, but the provider, you know what I'm saying?
	I think it's okay.
	No, there's definitely... I think it's that...
	And I think it's combined with the fact that, I mean, like, you know, we talked about sort of white, cause a lot of like modern feminism is spearheaded by sort of American, maybe Canadian white women, where it's check your privilege, check your privilege, shut up.
	You're a white man.
	There's no way you can have anything going on.
	That's a struggle.
	And they don't have the same community.
	Like, I think, One thing that maybe black people take for granted compared to a lot of white people is like this doesn't this isn't a thing right for a lot of white men and so what happens is they feel ashamed and they feel isolated from those pressures and they just feel like there's no way out and well I better not complain because I'm a white man so you know I must have it easier than everyone and it's
	And it's a stereotype with the pressure as well.
	You know, you have so much pressure as well.
	And it seemed like that's overlooked, but if you really look deep into it, you can tell that that's what it is.
	Because even just from their upbringing, most of the time they're pressured to get the best education, get the best, you know, the highest paying job or making sure that your family is taken care of.
	And like you see it in your own home as well.
	A lot of people don't see that in their home.
	So, It's a difference, you know?
	Unless you make your mind different and want to do something different, honestly.
	Do you mean you think it's like, because when you talk about the household, like if something goes wrong or they fall short, then it's automatically sort of placed upon the white father figure, you think?
	That pressure where it's like, it's his fault?
	Yeah.
	I think that's a big part of it.
	And at the same time- It's not just in movies.
	But you're saying that's not the same in black households?
	It's more even?
	Most of the time, it's either a one household or the dad takes care of it.
	If it is a dad in the house, he might take care of it, but you hear complaining.
	You hear different things going on behind the scenes.
	It's not always a happy home.
	It's just like you see it, you identify it, and this is what it is.
	Either it's a one-mother home, and she's doing everything herself.
	And over there, the father in the home, he's always working.
	Yeah.
	And she is responsible for... she works for him.
	That's the friend.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it is a start.
	Why do you think that is?
	You said it's either like a one parent household.
	Why do you think?
	Because a lot of times people don't want to have responsibility.
	They want to live their life.
	They might start off acting like they want to be a part of it.
	It's like the immaturity of they're not mature enough to really put their needs last instead of putting them first.
	They can be a sadder person, a better father, a better mother, you know?
	But if they put their needs first, everybody has a choice.
	Because I could be a mom and be like, well, I want to take care of my kid.
	That could be a choice.
	But somebody else might be like, well, I'm a dad.
	I don't want to take care of my kid.
	And that's an easy thing.
	But a mom can't lead that easily.
	Because most of the time, she's the one who's taking care.
	Do you think it's both, though?
	Because this is one thing in talking with people like you will hear.
	Obviously, a lot of black women talk about fathers who don't want to take responsibility.
	But if you talk with black men, sometimes they'll say, well, no, wait, I do.
	But it's a system where sometimes they don't want me around.
	Right.
	And it's a child support and alimony thing where I want to support my kids, but I don't want to support a lifestyle that isn't supporting the kids.
	Do you think there's truth to both sides of that?
	There is.
	Some people take advantage, but the ones who really need it don't.
	But there's always going to be a group of women who take advantage of that.
	And that's the original story.
	Well, see, that's a balanced view.
	Yes.
	Which, that's what we're talking about.
	Like, in the white community, you don't generally see that.
	If I were to ask a white woman, I'd be like, no, it's only the men who are deadbeats, who are losers.
	And then if you would ask a lot of white men, they'd be like, yeah, I'm a piece of shit.
	They get browbeat.
	They just take it.
	Yeah.
	They take it.
	They do.
	They often do, and that's not healthy.
	I know.
	You know, I can't put myself in that man's shoes, but it is still like, the weight is really on here with white people.
	In a black community, the weight is really on the mother.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, think of how many songs, right, come out of it.
	I mean, Tupac was always rapping about his mom.
	I don't really think, I can't think, are there any white guy songs about mama?
	I'm sorry, Mama, from Eminem, but that's about cleaning his closet, like spring cleaning and s***.
	Mama, I'm coming home.
	Right.
	Mama, I'm coming home.
	That's Ozzy Osbourne, but that doesn't have the same meaning.
	I mean, if you look at... Yeah.
	That's just silly.
	Silly stuff.
	No, that's a good point.
	Yeah, it's kind of more matri... Well, what's funny about that, though, too, is, like you said, it's kind of like more matriarchal, like centered around the mom, but I would also say that generally speaking, both men and women are more comfortable with the idea of traditional gender roles.
	They expect their men to be stronger.
	Who?
	Which one?
	Black women.
	They want a stronger man, whereas often in the white community it's kind of like... Stability.
	And being more sensitive.
	And sensitive.
	Yeah.
	And you're right.
	Stability and sensitivity.
	Everybody wants stability, but that, I mean, even look at all the athletes.
	They're always, they're not with their culture.
	They go for another culture, right?
	Yeah.
	Because they grew up wanting stability.
	They have nothing in common.
	Right.
	They don't speak the same language.
	Yeah.
	But Yeah, and some athletes just beat the s*** out of their
	girlfriend in an elevator.
	Because that's because they're weak too. Whoever went for the weak man went for the weak woman too.
	Because none of them strong enough to keep it up right here.
	They're both right here no matter how much money you have. Do you think that's something that's
	lacking just in general? Like the idea of, hey, being a strong... because it doesn't mean
	that it's... my view is it's sexism to say like a strong male figure, like masculine role and a
	strong mother female role, but you complement each other.
	And now it just, you know, that's a big struggle right now where a lot of the roles just seem completely blended, where it's not a team, a partnership.
	Do you think it's a little more clear in the – even, you know, start discounting It's clear, honestly.
	I came from a mother and a father, a two-parent home, but I still feel like my mom did the work.
	as far as like, okay, you're a man, I'm a woman, and we're okay with that?
	Yeah. Yeah.
	It's clear, honestly.
	I came from a mother and a father, a two parent home, but I still feel like my mom did the work.
	My dad did provide, but he was more like the disciplinary and she was more like the home caretaker
	and the mother and the, you know, everything.
	Well, that term is relative, because, you know, if you had two black parents, they were both more disciplinary than a lot of white parents in 2023.
	I mean, I go to the mall, I see black mothers with their kids, and I'm like, can you stop?
	They have them on leashes and s***.
	And black moms are like, you better stop.
	The kid knows, and they get right in line.
	There's not a lot of discipline in the white community right now with kids.
	Okay, I see that eye roll, right?
	So, you see that, right?
	And do you think that it's kind of lacking?
	It's a good thing to have more discipline with kids, more traditional discipline?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I remember when I was in school, like, you got to get paddled.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	So I mean, it wasn't just the parents, it was actually, you know, just any adult figure in your life.
	And it started with the teachers because you're at school all day long.
	Now, I mean, you look at a kid wrong, and they're gonna call the police on you.
	So it's just, I don't, I don't know where, I don't know where that started to fall by the wayside as far as far as The disciplinary portion within the home and within the school system.
	I mean, it's like, I feel like it started there.
	And then gradually, the kids kind of figured out, oh, well, we can get away with this at school.
	Maybe we can get away with this with our parents, too.
	So, that first kid that called the cops on their parents, and then it just kind of went the other way from there.
	I mean, what happened to parents actually being able to, I mean, I'm not saying physically abuse them, but I mean.
	Spank them?
	Yeah.
	Keep them in line.
	Yeah.
	Go outside.
	Pull that switch off the tree.
	Yeah.
	Bring it back here cause I'm going to beat your ass.
	Cause you know what you did.
	We need so much of that.
	It would, I think there would be so fewer problems just in the world in general if Kids were disciplined.
	Yeah.
	Seriously.
	I remember because, you know, I was, I was a little **** and also was, you know, raised in a very white area of Canada.
	And they told us, they had the whole conversation, you know, no, no one's ever allowed to touch you or spank you.
	And so they said, you call, you know, you call CPS.
	And one time I threatened my dad.
	I was like, I'm going to call, I'm going to call Child Protective Services.
	And he just looked at me and said, no, you're not.
	No, you're not.
	And he made me pick my wooden spoon.
	But he was, I'll tell you this, what I do appreciate about my dad was he was very, I think the balance is, you know, I have two-year-old twins, and so we have to kind of figure it, and they're at the age where they're so sensitive that, like, you know, just even, like, putting them in a chair in a timeout, it works, you know what I mean?
	But I know at some point, if they're like me, that's not going to work.
	Certainly, if my son is like me, like, I would get a timeout when I'm going to my room and playing Super Nintendo.
	Didn't do anything.
	Right.
	But the balance was, I know that with my dad, he would make me pick my wooden spoon and I'd get spanked, like depending on the offense, you know, um, one spank or like three spanks, you know, and I'd have to do it and kind of take it like him.
	And then after that, though, it was over.
	And my dad and I were really close.
	We're really, we're still like best friends to this day, but I still respect him.
	I feared him, but that's why we were close.
	My mom, occasionally, like I could tell she was mad.
	Like, a little part of me was like, I think she's enjoying this.
	And that, I think, bothered me more.
	Whereas I knew my dad didn't like it.
	Like, my dad didn't want to.
	It's like, you can't do this.
	You know, you just burn down half the shed.
	I have to discipline you.
	Whereas my mom would be like, don't talk back.
	Well, she's French-Canadian.
	She's like, don't talk back to your mother!
	And I'm like, oh, this is going to sting.
	But not that either of them ever, like, crossed a line.
	But yeah, I think as long as it's not done in a way that's, like, an emotional thing.
	It's just, this is a consequence thing.
	And explain exactly why you're doing it.
	You know, I love you, but you've done this.
	This is the consequence to what you have done.
	But just let them know, I still love you, but I gotta do what I gotta do.
	Do black parents do soap in the mouth?
	Do they do that?
	Does she do it?
	Yeah, that would be like if you, you know, dirty words, but they did it with my brother one time because he was my older brother, and he convinced me that I was adopted.
	Not everybody does that.
	My brother did that, my little sister, everybody crying.
	No, he like convinced me I was adopted.
	You really did believe that?
	And they go like find my parents, like he helped pack my bag, you know?
	That's what my brother used to say.
	And my dad already grabbed a bar of soap.
	He was like, now what you just did is the worst thing you can possibly do to your little brother.
	That's worse.
	That's, that's an awful thing to do.
	And so I'm going to wash your mouth out.
	So you never speak these kinds of things again.
	And, uh, he never did it again.
	At least not when they found out, you know?
	But yeah, and then it definitely is, I would agree with you on that.
	And it's just like, if I were to say this, like you were just talking about, say this on campus with, you know, predominantly upper or upper middle class, like white people, particularly women, they'd be, this right here would horrify them.
	I can't believe that's abuse.
	It's like, there's a difference between, if we can all agree that beating kids is bad, disciplining kids is necessary.
	Exactly.
	We can't even have these conversations.
	This is kind of goes back to the idea of how isolated, sorry.
	When I leave here with a perm, this isn't on, is it?
	No.
	I'm gonna leave looking like House Party.
	But we can't even have these conversations a lot of the time, like in the white community, just because it's like, disagreement is just, boom, cut off.
	We're very segmented.
	I don't understand what's wrong with having an open conversation.
	I mean, and you can agree to disagree, but just have the conversation.
	People will be uncomfortable with the conversation.
	Yeah.
	People don't like real conversations.
	They want to hear something that's going to make everybody feel better.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's not going to offend anyone.
	That's not going to make anybody ruffle any feathers.
	Anybody's going to be okay.
	We don't have to talk about that.
	And that is not life.
	It never changes if you don't talk about it.
	Do you think some of that extends though to like to for example from we're talking about like kind of between white people but like from the black community to the white community a little bit because white men have been browbeaten as everything is racist for so long that they're just afraid to say anything.
	I mean, do you think that there's some of that, like, at what point do you think, for example, if, like, I'm, you know, a comedian.
	And so one of my good friends, Nick DiPaolo, he's like one of the best ever.
	He did a show with a guy, Patrice O'Neill, who died too young.
	He was kind of poised to become like a Dave Chappelle.
	And all they did was just, for example, racist jokes.
	That was their show, you know, it was everything like you dirty guinea from and he was, you know, and then, of course, all the racist shit you could say towards a giant 350 pound black guy, but they were really good friends.
	When do you think it crosses over Or is it like in the realm of comedy?
	Because that's a big conversation.
	I mean, you see it even happening with Dave Chappelle from the LGBTQAIP side, but that's kind of something we've seen from white black for a long time, where there's this policing of entertainment and of comedy.
	Where do you think that kind of ties into an open dialogue?
	I'm not even, honestly, I'm not even really sure.
	I don't listen to a lot of I don't really listen to a lot of comedians, but I always hear the fallout.
	I hear the afterwards.
	So that's their form of expression.
	So I feel like Like, if you know a comedian and you know how his jokes go, it's up to you whether to sit down and listen to him or not.
	Yeah.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because somebody can get offended, but you know what he might talk about, or what she might talk about.
	So if you go there and you get offended, you know what I'm talking about.
	Yeah.
	They're in there, and they're human, just like, that's just their profession.
	It's just there to laugh.
	So if you're not there to laugh, you shouldn't be there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What do you think about, like, people saying, like, that was a racist joke, so this guy needs to be banned?
	No.
	No, that's just... You shouldn't have come to the show.
	And you have to ban, like... Everybody just signs a waiver when they get their ticket.
	Yeah.
	Like, this might be some offensive language, you know?
	Yeah.
	And you have to ban, like, 90% of black comedians, let's be honest.
	But it will make everybody make their own decision whether they want to show up or not.
	Yeah, no.
	Yeah, that's right.
	But that's not what we're really seeing.
	Like the problem is now they're trying to say, Oh, hon, I don't like what this person said.
	So no one should be able to go and see them.
	Well, yeah, that's like Dave Chappelle, you know, our venues.
	I mean, I got, um, you know, I got in trouble.
	It's just, they're like, Oh, you can't cause I do impressions.
	And I do impressions of black people, celebrities.
	At what point does that become appropriation?
	Like, so it's okay to do an impression of Donald Trump, but not Kat Williams.
	Some people try and say now that doing an impression of a black person is like blackface.
	I was just about to say that is totally not the same thing.
	If you were white people for years, like, wouldn't it be funny?
	Yeah, oh yeah, every time every black comedian's white guy voice is like this and we're like,
	you don't sound like that, but it's fine.
	So what the heck, no?
	Jesus, oh God.
	So that doesn't, like, that doesn't offend you?
	Not at all.
	Then why do you think that's such a big deal in the media?
	Because this is why we do, like, this... Because they always want chaos.
	That's what they want.
	They want to control the people on what they say.
	They want to have the power.
	So it's, for me, it's all about power, because they're behind the CM Sam jokes, those racist jokes.
	You know they are.
	They're not going to sit here and say, oh, yeah, you know, you're doing it, we're doing it too.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	No, they're gonna say, you know what, you need to switch it away, we don't like it.
	And then they go back in the back room and talk about what you just said and lie.
	Yeah, I feel like, and this is my ignorant white opinion if I were listening to the media,
	I feel like there's been no group of people, when it dawned on me, I was watching CNN and MSNBC,
	I said, there's never been a group of people who are so overrepresented in media
	than black Americans today without being represented at all.
	In the sense that, if you were to look at the percentage, it's like, you know, 35% of CNN, they're black, but it's Joy Reid and it's Van Jones.
	And I'm sitting there because, again, I've been in green rooms and stuff with comics.
	I'm like, the shit they're saying that this is what the black community is bothered.
	That's not at all what I hear.
	You know what I'm saying?
	They want it to be in control.
	It's not true.
	I mean, it's just like how they say people cheated with the votes.
	Even if somebody won, whatever they won, it's going to happen.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So it's not even about what even if people say, could you see the crowd coming?
	People are there to hear you laugh.
	So for them to say something other, that's almost like the sky is green, but it's really blue.
	They just want to start- Well, they want to divide people, for sure.
	Divide, exactly.
	Yeah, they absolutely do.
	There's no clear example.
	Do you know Van Jones?
	See, this is a perfect example.
	All liberal white people know Van Jones.
	They're like, oh my god, Van Jones, he's such a great voice for the black community.
	And then, every time I ask a black person, they're like, who?
	Van Jones?
	And he was on CNN, this was in the last 24 hours, there was a Republican debate, and this guy Vivek Rama, he's an Indian-American guy.
	And I'm sitting there like, oh, this is the kind of thing that he said that would actually black people would be like, that's funny.
	So you know Chris Christie, big fat guy?
	Vivek, on the stage, he said, yeah, he said, no one's voting for you.
	He said, so why don't you just walk off the stage, go have a good meal, and settle down.
	I was like, yeah, see, exactly.
	And Dan Jones, he's like, I was so offended by this, I'm literally shaking.
	I'm like, I can't imagine a black, can you imagine a black guy saying that here?
	Not at all.
	Like, you were shaking that someone told a fat joke to another dude?
	God, yeah, no, not at all.
	We end up probably looking at them crazy, like, really?
	Yeah!
	Okay.
	I think it's trending right now.
	Right now, Van Jones is like, this is ridiculous.
	He's like, this is, I was shaking, I was so offended.
	Like, I can't tell you, like, comics, if you go into a green room, like, you put on a few pounds, you have a black man, like, you fat mother******, like, that's a, you're like, that's right away!
	Like, that was, I think that's why there's so many good black comedians, too.
	Like, when people talk about, we need to, you know, like, affirmative action, There's one place you don't need it.
	First off, I think that that's racist, saying we need X amount of black people, we need X amount of women, X amount of white people.
	But if you look at like the top 10 list of comedians of all time, top five, everyone's going to agree on Richard Pryor's, the Eddie Murphy's, the Dave Chappelle's, right?
	Like there's a huge percentage of black people.
	Now, no one said we need this amount of black comedians.
	I think a big part of it comes from this, a culture of talking, of, you know, busting balls, like, for sure, like, they're okay making fun of each other.
	And that's one thing to me that I just said, like, well, when we talk about, like, how everyone's underrepresented, like, well, okay, we're talking about the NBA, we're talking about the NFL, what about comedians?
	Like, that's a perfect meritocracy.
	Black people tend to be funnier than white people, just because white people, like, I'm basically saying Ben Jones is white.
	When he says, I'm shaking, I'm so offended, I'm like, that sounds like something my liberal uncle would say, like white guilt uncle.
	That does not sound like anything any of my black guy friends would ever say.
	Well, they told him that he had biceps and triceps and y'all can see he got bust up.
	He wouldn't be offended.
	He was just offended.
	So that's what made him act like that.
	That was his defense mechanism, to be the victim.
	There you go.
	Do you think that's a big thing?
	The race to be a victim?
	Like, the victim mentality?
	It's trending right now.
	Look at everybody who's coming forward with every allegation about all the feminist people and different things that's going on.
	Everybody wants to be known as the victim, like, for what it was made.
	But you can make all the decisions you make when you live.
	You know what?
	It's interesting that you bring that up.
	I was just thinking about this.
	I think you're talking about, like, the Me Too stuff, some of that, right?
	We can all agree, it's like, beating kids is bad.
	Rape is bad.
	Right.
	I think just to be clear, I'm right.
	Like, it's a bad thing.
	We all agree.
	But considering that, okay, like, okay, it doesn't take a genius, like, listen to hip hop, or like, you know, you watch BET, like, like, sex sells in the black community, of course, right?
	Like, white people didn't invent twerking.
	But There are far fewer accusations that you see from, like, famous black women against famous black men.
	I mean, you can go back, like, to Mike Tyson, but it was just this huge rush of white women.
	And then there were some that were horrible, like Weinstein.
	That guy deserves to die in prison.
	But then there was, like, Aziz... He had a bad date.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, that's a big thing they've taught in college, that if you regret sex afterwards, it's f***ed, even if you consented.
	Do you think that that's also, like, a problem now?
	Because I'll tell you this, men are afraid to date.
	Because, like, they don't want to be alone with a woman.
	But particularly white women.
	Do you think that there's... Particularly?
	Yes.
	Yes, there is.
	Do you think so?
	What?
	There's particularly white women?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I don't, I've never heard of a black... It's all white women.
	Mostly.
	I'm sure there's like, I'm sure there's... Except for R. Kelly?
	Well, he was p***ing on people.
	I mean, that's entirely different.
	Can I tell you this?
	I don't even understand how that works.
	Not to get dirty.
	Oh my...
	No, I don't know.
	She goes, I don't know.
	Like, oh, let me tell you.
	No, I remember when I first heard about that, I was like, okay, because look, like when a guy is aroused, there's a, there's hydraulics at play.
	It's, you can't pee.
	Exactly.
	How do you, how do you, you have to get yourself soft to do it, which is what turns you on, right?
	That's terrible.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But it doesn't make any sense.
	Anyway, but it is.
	So, so you think, Did they though with R. Kelly?
	Because it was so gross I don't remember all of it.
	Did they consent to it?
	All the girls?
	I don't think all of it did.
	I think some, but I just don't remember the...
	Yeah.
	Yeah, the number.
	If he was, like, surprise p***y on someone's face, that's bad.
	Yeah.
	Like, if she just, like, walked out of the bathroom and he's like, ah!
	You know.
	That's a problem.
	But if they consented, it doesn't matter how weird it is.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, their stuff, it's like, hey, that's not my thing.
	Right.
	Right.
	That's how I feel.
	Yeah.
	Because, like, you have said it too, hasn't it?
	And then now he's in trouble, you know?
	Well, he might deserve it.
	He might.
	But...
	I'm going to move with C closer because I can't, now it sounds like we're on the Titanic with this thing going.
	Um, there was, yeah, I'm trying, well, Bill Cosby.
	Do you think Bill Cosby did it?
	That's interesting.
	Yeah, he does a pudding.
	What he really liked was ****.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	I do think that, I think that some of those were definitely not consensual.
	Yeah, it's like, I didn't hear about it.
	I mean, I heard that he did stuff, but I didn't hear that he said, I don't like listening to that stuff.
	But he was just like America's darling.
	Everybody wanted him, like, he was like the crossover.
	Everybody loved Bill Cosby, so he could do no wrong.
	So I think that's just why he got away.
	Well, you can't do nothing anyway.
	Well, and I say he got away with it for so long.
	And then somebody, you know, they finally decided to join together and step up, speak out, or whatever.
	But you see how long it took to actually convict the guy.
	Or, I don't even know, did they convict him?
	No, he's out of prison now.
	Yeah, so it's like... Well, here's the thing is, I don't... I don't think he did.
	He did go to jail, but then there was like an appeal, it was a whole thing.
	His thing got overturned.
	Yeah, it got overturned.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I think that maybe it's tough to know, right?
	But what is interesting to me is if you were to say this to any group of white people, they'd all be like, oh, absolutely, he did it.
	Like, of course he did it.
	I think they were just gunning for him because he, again, because he could do no wrong.
	He was just this overly sophisticated, powerful black man who did no wrong.
	Just had so many white friends who were, I mean, that was just, and you had white friends, and awful white friends, oh yeah, you were something, you found something.
	So then, when they had that opportunity to knock him down, oh yeah, he did it, he did it, so.
	Don't you think, though, too, like, there's a statute of limitations for a reason?
	Like, you can't, if it happened, you can't come out 40 years later.
	Right?
	That's... I mean, that's a problem.
	Yeah, it is.
	I mean... Because you can't prove that if it's false, you can't prove it's false, you can't prove it's true.
	Now it's just the media.
	Yeah.
	It's just he said, she said it to me.
	And your mind has changed.
	Everything has changed.
	So who are you to say if you can remember exactly unless you went to your diary and wrote down, you know, and you can go back and... Yeah.
	Well, that's what happened with Brett Kavanaugh was a Supreme Court Justice.
	And of course everyone, this is the one thing I was like, I'm conservative, like Christian conservative, so people will say like, oh you're racist no matter what if you vote Republican with white people, and like that's why they'll just look at Justice Kavanaugh.
	I was like, first they tried to say he was racist, then they tried to say that he, um, he r*****, so like that's how they tried to block him from becoming a Supreme Court Justice.
	And first off, this woman who made it up, Christine Blasey Ford, she, um, her story that she gave to the Washington Post didn't match up with her story to the cops.
	The story of the cops didn't match up with the story of the friends.
	And the house that she claimed, uh, where she was f***ed, didn't exist.
	And the other people said that never happened.
	And then, Kavanaugh had diaries.
	And they looked at his journals, and his journals matched up like all the other journals, where it's like, okay, you know, June 24th, he said he was going here, and they could see it from a yearbook, or from like his athletic schedule, where, you know, he didn't write, going to gang or f*** someone in his journal, he wrote the opposite.
	And they go, you know what, it seems like this checks out, but that was the attack they were going to use politically, And some people still believe it.
	Some people still believe it just because he was accused of it.
	I mean, sometimes that's all it takes.
	It's just to put that out there, just to, uh, you know, carnage the name.
	Because once it's out there, it's kind of done deal.
	It's sad.
	I think this also goes back to the idea of, you know, like we talked about, like, white suicide.
	Because you said, like, okay, Bill Cosby, and I think you probably did some of it, but I think that for sure, like, white people in general are more likely to jump on board.
	Yeah, guilty.
	Do you think many black people in general, whether it's for a black or white purpose, are initially more skeptical, right?
	Let's wait.
	If Johnny Depp was black, he wouldn't have had his life ruined until we all found out about Amber Heard.
	She f***ing is bad.
	You know what I mean?
	I think a lot of people would be like, I don't know, she sounds crazy.
	Right?
	There's two sides to this.
	Absolutely.
	But that guy lost everything.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Cause everyone, she just said, Oh, he did this.
	There was no proof.
	Right.
	And he lost his Disney contracts, everything until we got to court.
	We're like, Oh my God, this one was a monster.
	Yeah.
	That was a good thing though.
	And that just showed that women can be cruel and just as ignorant as anybody else.
	Men.
	So yeah, just to, so I was actually very happy.
	I'm like, wow, she'd said all that.
	And that's another problem.
	That I feel like men are hesitant because women lie so easily about whatever.
	Yeah.
	And they believe it.
	Yeah.
	You know, and everybody, oh, because she's the weak, you know, one and he's the, you know, the more dominant one.
	That's not true at all.
	That's very stereotypical.
	So yes, I was very happy.
	I also think that it's funny to say, but like black people as a community tend to be more forgiving.
	Then white people in a lot of ways, like, like, in other words, okay, Johnny Depp, you have a certain alcohol problem.
	I mean, like, so, okay, you can be a drunken weirdo and not be a domestic abuser.
	You know what I mean?
	And I think people are like, oh, listen to this tape where he's, he's drunk and he's like cussing at her.
	He must be guilty.
	Well, now we know that she threw a bottle at his head before that and broke his finger.
	But everyone was just so quick, like, oh, he's an alcoholic, so he must be bad.
	Whereas I feel like, often, like, well, hold on a second, two things can be true, no one's perfect, so let's wait.
	And I think that maybe that stems from, obviously, like, when we were a definitively more racist country, the kind of idea of sort of, it's like a public lynching, with your reputation now, you know what I mean?
	They kill your name.
	And I wonder if it's just black people like, nah, I've seen this before.
	I'm not going to go along with it until I get a little more information.
	Yes, because I feel like black people, honestly, they have to be convinced.
	Yeah.
	Do you get what I'm saying?
	No, I think, yeah.
	That's why they follow trends.
	They have to see it first.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Then they get everybody, see everybody doing it.
	Then it's like, okay, I'm going to do it.
	Yeah.
	So the same way with decisions or anything like that, you know, they want to hear the whole story because most of the time you are so right because they want to, they're so in tune.
	They want to hear the whole story because they want to know what happened.
	Right.
	A lot of times people will just off the bat, just from what they heard.
	Yeah.
	You're right.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	They'll go, they'll go right to, Oh, you must be an animal.
	I mean, you think of, uh, like you think of, I mean, I'm, I think he did it, but like, okay, I'm in them.
	I mean, I think, especially after he wrote the book, if I did it.
	But I think that it stems from, and some of it was just like, hey, we're skeptical because it could just be this is a famous black man where, you know, you could just be trying to effectively, I use the term lynch him, meaning like destroy his reputation.
	And that's, you know, that's a lot of scenarios where I think there probably is, today, more value in that because people are so quick to just, you know, use the term cancel.
	Do you think, do you guys, is that something that you think is a big fear?
	Like, the black community?
	Because I tell you, like, white people are terrified of being accused or canceled.
	I mean, that's a benefit, right?
	To a black person.
	You get, you have more leeway.
	Not much, but yes.
	Definitely more like in the black community.
	I was just listening, I was just listening to some, like, here, I was just listening to, uh, like, Prior, and even like, and I'm sitting like, oh my god, you just switched this to, from white to black, like, you're immediately done.
	Immediately!
	And it's funny!
	Yes.
	It's funny, but yeah, that's a big thing now.
	People are afraid to talk in the white community.
	It goes back to dividing.
	What do you think, like, what do you think is the, what do you think is the best way forward?
	Because, I will tell you this, I grew up, and this is kind of why we started doing this, I grew up in Canada, and I was born in Detroit, but raised in Canada.
	And I feel like, I don't just feel, but statistically I grew up in what would be considered a post-racial America, North America, because I was in Canada.
	But like the biggest shows were Fresh Prince, Family Matters, the biggest stars at that point were, I mean the biggest film stars were Will Smith, Genzo Washington, obviously the Cosbys.
	And now, it's almost like, here's black entertainment, On this channel.
	And here's Why Entertainment.
	Now it seems like there's more of a racial divide than there was when I grew up.
	And I don't mean as far as policy, as far as Jim Crow laws.
	I mean as far as, I think people have been told that there's racism so much that people are actually just more afraid to reach across the aisle.
	Do you think that's true?
	That's my feeling from what happened.
	Yeah, I don't understand.
	Yeah.
	I can't answer because I don't know.
	I'm not going to creep out on my students.
	I don't know the way to look at it, but they'll get it from me.
	You sound like there's some TV networks that have different shows for black people.
	What I'm just saying is like when I grew up it wasn't like I again we didn't have that many black kids at my school where I grew up but we had a lot of and most of them were Haitian in Quebec because it's a you know Quebec is a French province and it's a French colonies with a lot of immigration but we had a lot of Asians and a lot of That's because you're from the North.
	Arabic people and we didn't even think of it growing up but we just hung out
	you know it wasn't really like a big deal and now when you have classes
	people are being taught like white kids you check your privilege and you're
	being taught about racism so much like we were taught about slavery we were
	taught that was wrong we were taught about the civil war I don't think they
	ever taught people that slavery was good No, not the slavery.
	I'm talking about the privilege.
	As far as the mindset of different things, there is a difference between up north and south.
	But do you think though, do you think that's a good thing though, to be instilling in children, like checking your privilege and making... That's the only good thing.
	Because I think you're creating racists when you do that.
	You are.
	But there are ways to teach and not to make... But it kind of stems from the Golden Wills, the privileges, and then it goes to the society.
	No, it's part of curriculum.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Is it part of curriculum?
	Oh, go ahead.
	Well, I don't know.
	I feel like...
	Like, as far as teaching the slavery, I mean, or teaching about history and whatnot, I mean, you want to teach people about things so they don't repeat it, but you don't have to browbeat the kids, like, I mean, because you're white, you know, you're an evil person, right?
	You just want them to know what happened.
	This is what happened, and we don't want that to repeat, but I don't really feel like Well, kids are innocent.
	Like you said, when you were growing up, you know, you play with whomever and whatever.
	It wasn't even a big deal.
	But, and then once you, once you start to put that in their minds, then they're like, Oh, well, maybe I shouldn't do this.
	Maybe I shouldn't play with that person or whatever.
	I just feel like that.
	I feel like that's, how do I want to explain that?
	It's like, I just feel like when you teach them, teaching them in a way that won't, um, That won't cause them to, I don't know, to in a way be racist because it's like you're teaching them racism.
	Well, imagine you're a little white, you're a little white kid and you don't know anything about it, but you're taught immediately.
	And by the way, it's also inaccurate to act as though slavery was exclusively an American white problem.
	Like that's just, that's just not accurate to it happened.
	It still exists today.
	Like there are more slaves right now in the world today than ever.
	Because most of them are sex slaves.
	So we just sort of, because we are all way more privileged in the United States where we don't have slavery, black and white, we don't realize that in Asia, in the Middle East, in Africa, slavery is still a way of life.
	And it's not based on race.
	It's based on whoever you can subjugate, you know?
	And that's where the slave trade started, right?
	Was West Africa and North Africa.
	Like we talked about this not too long ago on a program.
	There were over a million, you know, white Mediterraneans who were just kidnapped off of the Mediterranean coast.
	And enslaved.
	Like, a lot.
	A lot.
	But they weren't just enslaving.
	It started in Africa, so a lot of slaves were black.
	But they also went to the Mediterranean and enslaved whoever they could find.
	And sold them.
	And actually, that was a big thing, you know.
	Think about it.
	You're in the United States of America.
	And at this point, slavery is everywhere.
	And it's the biggest export, effectively, from that continent, right?
	From the African continent.
	And you want to end it, but you can't at that point.
	Because everyone took the bloodiest war ever to end it.
	And largely white people, but white and black people fighting hand in hand.
	You know what I mean?
	Everyone makes mistakes, but to then instill into, and I see this, and I'm worried as someone who has young kids, white kids, where I don't want him to be made to feel guilty for something he had nothing to do with.
	Because I know that if you tell him, hey, you're basically garbage because someone did this hundreds of years ago.
	That's the problem.
	That's going to create more racism.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, that's a problem.
	Yeah, I'm talking about, yeah, in school, if you do that and you say, hey, you need to, you know, atone for the sins of your great, great, great forefathers, like, all of a sudden, as opposed to being that kid who's hanging out with people of any race, watching people of any race on TV, you're going, oh, there's a separation here, and I must have done something wrong because I was born white.
	And we see that now, where there's definitely, I do think racist sentiments have gone up, just not in the sense that they support slavery, but just people are afraid to talk.
	And that's something that we we run into quite a bit.
	So it just seems like there's gotta be some some sort of a middle ground though.
	Yeah, you know and but finding it that's that's the finding that sweet spot of actually just teaching about history, but not again making person feel like trash because Their forefathers whatever, you know did whatever whatever.
	I mean, we're all human.
	We all make mistakes.
	It's like If we all taught real history, I mean, I think we would all give each other some grace.
	Well, I think, yeah, I think you're right.
	And I think, I do think that, you know, since public education, which has been a huge failure, by the way, on all fronts, white and black.
	But it's been largely run by white people.
	They've done kind of what you were talking about, divide people and try and say, hey, hold on, look, we're going to give you this black community, we're going to do affirmative action, or we're going to teach about slavery, and we're going to make it all like 75% of Southern whites own no slaves.
	That's a huge, huge majority, right?
	It's very small.
	And by the way, there were black Southerners who owned slaves too.
	Absolutely.
	So, when you do that, first off it's not honest, and then you create a division that is just going to perpetuate more racism.
	And I tell you what, I do see it with younger people now, more than I saw it in my generation, where they're either just completely guilted and they're afraid to talk about anything, or they go, you know what, screw this, screw you, I'm not going to be made to feel like I'm racist just because I was born white.
	And public education is terrible.
	It's awful.
	It's a real problem.
	And no one actually wants to fix it.
	It's not a money problem.
	There's plenty of money.
	talking and it just creates more divide. Sad. And public education is terrible.
	It's awful. It's a real problem and no one actually wants to fix it. It's not a
	money problem too, there's plenty of money. It's just it's not going to the
	right place. Yeah, it's going out in the private schools.
	I don't know if that's the answer either.
	I know plenty of kids that went to private school and they're just as screwed up as the people who went to wealthy schools.
	Yeah, well that happens too.
	You know, sometimes ugly things happen in pretty houses.
	A lot of people think if you're wealthy that you must not have problems, but it just comes with different problems in a lot of private schools.
	But we've talked like we've talked about public education, the idea of school choice, which just means because right now, let's say you average in this county, let's say it's let's say $15,000 per student rate is what we spend on tax dollars.
	If you just average out the number, one of the solutions that's been proposed out there, and I always talk about this right now, I don't know how anyone can disagree with this.
	Is rather than just send the money to the school, where they get it no matter how they perform, is attach the money to the students.
	Meaning, hey, this is how much we spend per student, so this student has this credit to take to any school that they want to.
	If parents want to drive them, or if they want to get on a bus, or if there's, I mean, here you have so many schools that are close together, right?
	Sometimes you're closer to the school you're not supposed to go to, because the county line says we're going to attach that to the student, and all of you schools, public schools still, you have to perform better.
	Because if you don't, they're not going to go to your school.
	That's a solution out there that just seems to me like it doesn't change the funding even at this point.
	We're not even talking about changing the budget.
	Just talking about instead of just giving it to a school and these teachers and these administrators, we're going to give it to the student to take whatever the parents want.
	Yeah, they won't like that because it's going to force the teachers and the the academic community in general to actually do what they're
	supposed to do.
	Right.
	Because if all the kids want to go to school A, and you got school B sitting over here with nobody like,
	oh my god, nobody, they're going to lose all that money,
	people lose their job, blah blah blah, whatever.
	So, I mean, yeah, it forces people to step up.
	So, I totally agree with that.
	It's funny, because we're not allowed to criticize teachers in the white community.
	They're like, the teachers, you mean the true heroes.
	It's like, I kind of thought those were firefighters.
	Well, I think the role of teacher has changed dramatically over the past decade or so, because now they're training teachers out of shooting class, and I'm just like flabbergasted at how different it is to actually Just be an educator or even be a student in this day and age.
	Just having drills, you know, for shooters, active shooters and all this crazy.
	I can't even, I can't imagine.
	What do you think on that?
	What do you think about having people though at schools, like not only armed guards, but if teachers are qualified to be able to have a locked firearm to protect their students?
	I think it's a good thing.
	I think it's a really good thing because we have seen in various videos that have surfaced that security guards aren't Or they're qualified or do the appropriate thing.
	Or they're brave.
	Yeah, look at Uvalde.
	Or actually run the opposite way when things happen.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, that's where the Uvalde thing was just... That was... It was the hair in the... Like, I was filled with rage.
	Yeah.
	Like, oh, hold on, we can't... It's a risk.
	It's like, kids are dying in that room.
	You signed up to be a police officer.
	It's not just to give out speeding tickets.
	This is what we pay you for.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	No, that's a big, that's something that's been proposed where, um, you know, people say, oh, that's, that's encouraging more shootings by allowing people, teachers who are, again, we're talking about teachers who want to have firearms.
	Right.
	Not making it mandatory.
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, no.
	No, you don't want to give a gun to someone who doesn't want it.
	But if someone is a teacher who's qualified and has a permit, and anytime they're outside of school, they're carrying a firearm and they have one in their car, Why wouldn't they be allowed to in their profession?
	They're allowed in a lot of other professions.
	Of course, it has to be locked.
	Of course, you have to have, just like everywhere else, you have to be responsible.
	But I don't think we'll see that in our lifetime because it's a pretty cost-effective solution to start with.
	It's not the full solution, but it's a step.
	It's not going to happen.
	I mean, it'll maybe happen in some municipalities, but... See, this is the thing.
	This is why these... Like, I tell you, I go on campus and I talk with kids or, you know, if I have a debate on air or something, like, they act like all of this is crazy.
	What we all disagree on.
	Like, you can't have teachers with guns.
	Like, why?
	Why not?
	Everybody else has a gun.
	Why can't they have one?
	Yeah.
	If they choose to.
	Right.
	Yeah, especially to like, you know, I think a big problem too that we in my generation was Black Lives Matter and then the police kind of thing.
	And I will tell you this, not a fan of certainly the organization Black Lives Matter.
	I mean, for crying out loud, the woman just bought like her third multi-million dollar house.
	But I also didn't say just back the blue period because there is corruption within the police force.
	I don't think that the biggest problem that police force is, you know, just pulling over black people and them being racist.
	I think the biggest problem that police force is, like you talk about the teachers, where it's not performance-based, they're not trained properly, and a lot of them abuse their authority.
	Like Uvalde was not, wasn't a race thing.
	That was a police problem.
	And if we all just said, okay, we can all agree on this problem with the police, as opposed to making it just a race thing right now.
	Like, let's start with this.
	And instead, what happened right away is we go right to racist police and it's like, well, then you just divide and the conversation breaks down.
	And, uh, yeah, I'm not, um, I mean, I think police officers have a tough job, but, uh, There needs to be some reform.
	People have it worse actually.
	Black cops, like my dad is from Detroit.
	Detroit proper.
	Worst city in the country.
	Take the worst area of South, it's not even close.
	The house he grew up in as a kid just sold for $8,000.
	A full-size house in downtown Detroit.
	Full-size house.
	Yeah, he grew up In a very, very bad area.
	And black police officers in Detroit, they'd have to drive them home in unmarked cars because they were being killed in such high numbers during the Detroit riots.
	Think about that.
	That's got to be the worst job in the country at that point in time.
	What do you think we need to do on that front like as far as police reform?
	I am so sorry.
	No, that's fine.
	I invaded your while you were getting your haircut and I just started talking.
	No, you're fine.
	I just, unfortunately, I'm doing something I shouldn't be.
	I'm working.
	I'm working while I'm getting my hair done.
	You're doing something you shouldn't be?
	Oh, I thought you said, I'm doing something I shouldn't be.
	I'm selling crack.
	Yeah, no.
	Matter of fact, I don't have to be on it.
	So I was just making sure I wasn't missing a meeting.
	Oh, anyway, now I'm sorry.
	What was your question?
	Okay, if you're a white, I would say selling meth.
	But heroin bridges the great divide.
	Both black people and white people love heroin.
	So let's just all take some heroin and we'll sort it out.
	No, police reform.
	How do you think the Black Lives Matter thing...
	I say thing because there's the organization, and there's the idea that, okay, justice, right, and make sure we have good policing.
	How do you think that overall affected, you know, not only black, but relationships between the white and black?
	I think it helped him a lot.
	I was just about to say the same thing.
	It helped him a lot.
	If black lives matter, I'm black.
	It doesn't matter.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	All life do not call on me.
	And I know we have business with being, but everybody, everybody's generation has been through something,
	I feel right now.
	Sure.
	And I feel like God created us all equal though, no matter what.
	Yeah.
	When he looks at us, he don't look at black eyes, white eyes, Chinese.
	He look at us as a whole.
	Right.
	So when I see stuff that divides and it has crying for it, it always, I come before Paul.
	Yeah.
	So, therefore, anything with pride in front of it is never going to be sustainable.
	It's always going to be service level stuff.
	Yeah.
	It's never going to be like really deep because nobody wants to go deep.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, you wouldn't say that it's racist for someone to say all lives matter?
	No.
	Oh, well, see, you have...
	You have no idea.
	Like the Van Jones, exactly, these people in the media, they would say, that's a dog whistle, meaning it's coded language for white supremacy.
	Well, yeah, I think black lives matter, but I think all lives matter, they would say, that's racist.
	Because you're telling black people that their lives don't matter as much.
	No, no, I'm saying all lives matter, but to start with, it implies that only these lives matter.
	And I've got to tell you, I've only heard that it's racist from white people.
	You just said the phrase.
	I have literally been told, that is racist.
	And I said, of course, black lives matter.
	But of course, all lives matter, not just black lives.
	I was like, that's racist.
	That's because that's what people want to hear.
	That's what they want to hear.
	Yeah.
	That's what people say.
	And if I say anything other than that, it's ridiculous.
	You're going to be prosecuted.
	Yeah.
	Oh, even by blacks.
	Oh, yeah.
	Black lives matter.
	No, you're black.
	How can you say that?
	Because There's all lives on this earth.
	Yeah.
	And they all do matter.
	What do you think is the biggest misconception that white people at large might have about the black community?
	Oh.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Huh.
	Well, because, you know, you hear people say, like, oh, they stereotype, so that seems like a place, like, what do we think is the biggest, maybe, thing that white people get wrong about?
	I'll tell you what it is, the black community, using this term, right, I understand, like, loosely, is that we already touched on that, the idea of, like, white privilege, that all white people must have it easy, or that there's no, you know, there isn't a struggle, because there are a lot of different kinds of white people, just like a lot of different kinds of black people.
	I'm trying to think of one thing that really sticks out that white people get wrong.
	Like, no, no, no, no. Okay, look. General white population.
	Let's get this straight.
	Right.
	Huh. I'm trying to think of one thing that really sticks out that white people get wrong.
	Hmm.
	I guess that means they get it mostly right.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, there's, I would say that we are always looking to, um, how do I want to, how do I want to phrase it?
	Well, or maybe that most black people are afraid of white people.
	I don't think that that's true at all.
	Just because of everything that's happened, you know, police brutality, racism, blah, blah, whatever.
	I feel like a lot of white people feel like, or that we're angry.
	Yeah.
	The angry black person.
	Yeah.
	We're not angry.
	I don't think.
	Or that we all live off the system.
	Right.
	Yeah, a lot of white people have autism.
	You know what I'm saying?
	But we get stereotyped as the ones who are so poor that we live off, everybody just have babies and live off the system.
	Yeah.
	There are so many redneck white trash people.
	I shouldn't say that.
	But yeah.
	But we are not the only ones.
	Like, if you're going out to the office, you see a majority of Yeah, well I think it's fine if you say that, as long as, because I understand that you're not saying all white, you are saying there's a specific subset of white people, you know, these towns, lived in Michigan, there are some towns that are destroyed by meth, you know, just destroyed by meth, like I know exactly what you're talking about, as long as
	It's also, um, I guess I should say, not permissible, but you also afford the same grace to a white person saying, I'm not saying all black people, but there are some ghetto hood rat, whatever term, like these people who do actually live off the system.
	They're not saying all black people, just like you don't mean all white people are white trash.
	But there is a subset in both communities who look, they don't, they live off the system their entire lives.
	So, that doesn't offend me at all.
	I know the white trash people.
	I have them in my family.
	Not my direct family, not my direct family.
	Everyone, though, in French Canada, in the extended family.
	Mullets and 69, sorry, 89 Camaros, like it's, it looks like Joe Dirt.
	They don't have drug problems, but yeah, as long as it's grace.
	I'm not joining, sir.
	Not joining what?
	A meeting that I was invited to join.
	Okay.
	I'm not joining that.
	You'd probably get nervous if a white guy looking like me said, I have to go join a meeting.
	Like this is going to be a Klan thing, isn't it?
	Uh-uh.
	Not you.
	See?
	You're going to a breakfast meeting with coffee and danishes.
	Danishes.
	I haven't had danishes in a long time.
	Yes, absolutely.
	No, I think that's, um, I think that's, so how about, so like, okay, let's take that.
	Not all black people live off the system.
	A little bit.
	And not all white people live off the system.
	Right.
	I would say the approach is, okay, now there are statistical realities as far as who uses the system and how the system is abused.
	The solution is to reform the system, period.
	Whether it's white people or black people.
	Now, if that disproportionately ended up affecting black people because they're, let's say, depending on the state, too.
	It really does depend on the state.
	Yeah, like if you go to West Virginia, you're gonna have a disproportionate number of white people abusing the system.
	Right.
	But if you go to, you know, certain areas of, you know, Houston or something like that or South Central, you have a disproportionate number of black people abusing the system.
	So as long as we just look at it, this system needs reform.
	Like, what do you think about, for example, like, welfare, um, or whatever it is, okay, uh, basic drug testing.
	Would, like, get drug tested?
	Have them be, have people, uh, get drug tested before, oh, I think that's a 100% great thing.
	Okay.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	You don't get this check if you're just getting high.
	Absolutely.
	I am all for that.
	That's been proposed.
	It's been called racist.
	But I'm just saying, well, I'm saying drug test white people too!
	Right, how is that racist?
	We're drug testing everybody!
	Again, because it's not just black people who are on welfare.
	No.
	Oh my God.
	Or the solution that, okay, obviously, let's say you have social safety nets, like if you lose your job, right?
	Unemployment, okay.
	But if you've been on the system for a long time, Okay, there are government jobs that you work.
	You work and you get a check.
	So you don't just collect a check because you've been doing it now for, let's say, a year, two years, three years.
	You go work this job and we'll place you into a private sector job, but now you have to work to keep receiving a check.
	That seems... Seems fair to me.
	I mean, as a matter of fact, it's giving them a leg up.
	You're giving them a job.
	Yeah.
	I mean, versus having to go out and find one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's a win-win to me.
	I mean, there's so many jobs that don't require a lot of skill or education, like in the government, like answering calls, filing papers.
	It's like, okay, well now you can't just collect a check forever.
	We helped you when you were down, but now you need to just work.
	So drug test and just work.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	That's just the system in general.
	It doesn't matter if you're white, black, Asian.
	I don't think there are a lot of... I don't think there are a lot of Asian Americans who use the system, though, to be honest.
	I don't think there are a lot of them on welfare.
	I was gonna say, are there?
	That's probably a .0001 percentile, if.
	That comes from a culture of, like, pride.
	And, like, you do not take that money.
	Your mom will beat the s**t out of you.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	My lawyer's Asian.
	His mom taped soap in his mouth and jimmed piano keys in his neck because he played the wrong note.
	Yeah, Tiger Mom's real.
	It's so sad because there are so many stereotypes or jokes about that.
	I can't even, I recall something.
	Was it a family guy or something like that?
	There was a little Asian guy in the room studying and the dad comes in and talking about it.
	He said, you Dr. Yeti?
	He's like, no, I come back when you doctor.
	Well, there are some, look, I think we can agree that some stereotypes stem from some kind of truth, obviously, and that's for white people and for black.
	Okay.
	A lot of Indians around this area.
	Have you noticed that like this is something I noticed because they come from countries a lot of them where they don't drive.
	They're not cars.
	They put student driver on their car.
	Have you seen this?
	And it's like a 45 year old.
	But I appreciate that.
	I've never seen that.
	Oh, you've seen it, right?
	Yeah, it's everywhere here.
	But I've never noticed because I guess a lot of people have tinted windows or I'm just not paying attention as I pass by.
	But I have seen a lot more student driver stickers.
	Yeah, student driver stickers.
	You know what, though?
	I appreciate it because they're basically saying, you know, I know I can drive, so keep a wide, cut a wide swat.
	I will say that I was actually almost sideswiped by an Indian, uh, maybe about two or three months ago out on a bike.
	And they, yeah, it was like he was on a bike.
	No, I was on the bike.
	He was in the car and I almost got sideswiped because he literally couldn't drive.
	So, and as we raced to follow him, when he went into wherever he finally parked, what?
	I don't understand.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Really?
	Oh no, you understand.
	He almost sideswiped you.
	You almost killed me, but you're trying to play that.
	Maybe he didn't.
	He didn't understand his GPS.
	She was talking to him and he was confused.
	Yeah.
	But no, okay, so that comes down to like, that's not because of the color of your, the melanin in your skin.
	That does stem from like a lot of these, a lot of these people, when I say these people come from countries of their first generation immigrants, they don't have cars.
	They don't drive, you know?
	So... Italy?
	No, it's true!
	Yeah, especially there are a lot of people coming here, you know, with the tech jobs from India right now, or Bangladesh, and they're certainly not used to the crazy Texas freeways like this, you know?
	So that's a big reason why.
	It's just like, for a lot of the same stereotypes that you see with black and white people, you're like, well, that's not because of the color of their skin, there are sometimes cultural differences.
	The food that we eat, you know, the kind of entertainment we consume, it's like, no one's saying it's because You're black and you're white.
	We're sitting there in these communities where we have differences.
	And that's, I think, a difference between a stereotype that's actually racist versus, ah, if you come from a country where you guys don't use cars, it makes sense that you might not drive so much.
	Right.
	Especially if you look in China, like, they have those, like, Honda Cub scooters.
	They have, like, 19 family members in a chicken coop going uphill.
	Come on, you've seen that s***, right?
	On a motorcycle?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	They'll have a... That was so funny.
	That was my first motorcycle.
	You know that's the most common?
	You probably know it if you see it.
	It's not like a Vespa.
	It's kind of like a middle ground between a motorcycle and a scooter.
	Like a hybrid.
	Because we don't see them a lot here.
	It's the most sold vehicle of all time.
	The Honda Cup.
	It's like 65 million sold.
	Because we don't think of it, but all over Asia.
	And these things are indestructible.
	You can put vegetable oil in the end and it'll work.
	Yeah, and unlike a scooter, the big reason too is because they put stuff, they carry their stuff around.
	It has, um, it's below the CC requirement because of like smog and everything, but it has three gears.
	So you can still use like the first gear, you know, and go uphill, you know, with your whole extended family and a couple of cows in the saddlebags.
	They don't sell those here, though, do they?
	They do, they just re-released it, but it doesn't really make a lot of sense in the States, you know, because you need to be moving a lot.
	These things have a max speed of, like, 40 miles per hour.
	Oh, well.
	Yeah.
	That's not even working on the side streets.
	I was thinking, yeah, it'd be nice, you know, just to kind of get around the neighborhood, but now people are flying doing 50, including myself, on these side streets.
	So it's, yeah, not even working.
	We'll scrub that if that's on camera.
	We all go the speed limit.
	Yes.
	My dad, last time we were actually, he mentioned SMU campus.
	We were driving back from SMU and my dad was in the car.
	I had never heard of this before.
	He got hit doing, I think he was doing like 45.
	They said, hey man, the cop goes, just so you know, like cops can be assholes to white people too.
	And he goes, hey, You have any reason you were going so fast?
	My dad goes, I was going, I was going like 42.
	He goes, this is a school zone.
	My dad says, at a university?
	These are adults!
	Like, those are grown ass men!
	The cop's like, ah, you want to get smart with me?
	He's like, just give me the ticket.
	Like, it was just, that's, I had never heard of that.
	Yeah, it's funny.
	So, I don't know.
	Maybe if he was black, he would have been, you know, on the hood with his cuffs, like, ah, you got anything in your pocket?
	But I just think the cop was having a bad day.
	But if you go to SMU, know that there are speed limits now.
	Or TCU.
	Yeah, and those are... TCU and SMU are very privileged schools, so absolutely they're gonna, you know...
	Just make it extremely difficult around those universities.
	I'll just say that.
	Well, I just think so they can make more revenue.
	Oh, absolutely.
	As if they need any more, but yes.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, yeah, that's the thing, too, is when people talk about defunding the police, that's a problem.
	But we also need to look at where the spending is going.
	Like, hey, how about before we go to defund?
	Because that's not good.
	That's not been good where you don't have police.
	That's not a good idea.
	But what are we doing with the money?
	It's not great.
	It's not great.
	It goes back to what you're saying about them being educated and trained properly.
	If there's no money to do that, then it's gonna be the police.
	They are.
	They don't want to be that.
	The people who have evil in their hearts, they've been trained to.
	Well, some police.
	There are a lot of good police.
	Not everybody.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm talking about the one who is.
	The ones who ain't is.
	Who they are.
	They just put on the uniform.
	Well, those are the ones that don't need to be police officers.
	Exactly.
	But, I mean, how do you get them?
	They didn't try to kill people for innocence or anything like that.
	Not just black people, but anyone.
	Does this surprise you?
	This is something that a lot of... Do you know that, um, actually, uh, when you're talking about being shot by the police, that, uh, specifically white men, and if you're dealing specifically with armed white men, like white men are many times more likely to be shot by the police.
	Did you know that?
	Really?
	Way more likely.
	Yeah.
	There's, there's a disparity between armed and unarmed.
	Um, and so a lot of the stat is like unarmed black men are more likely to be shot by the police.
	Armed white men are more likely to be shot by the police.
	So both have a gun.
	A big reason though, too, is unarmed black men are more likely to assault the police officers.
	That is true.
	That is just a reality.
	I'll tell you this.
	I saw it right here.
	It was a corner of Parker and Midway.
	And there was this, I'm sorry, it was a female officer, and it was a very large black man.
	And I was, and I watched, and there was a black man, he was obviously high, too, like he was, you know, and this woman was terrified.
	She had no business, I'm sorry, she had no business, like, I do, like, female police officers, if you can't meet the PT requirements, like, you shouldn't be dealing with a giant black guy in PCP.
	This guy was like six foot five, and he didn't have a shirt on.
	His sister does boxers.
	And I think I have it on my phone and I could see him too because, you know, I could see the body language.
	I'm like, a shot's coming.
	A shot's coming.
	He's going like this.
	They kind of put his hands behind his back.
	You know, he did this thing and like the light woman was, I'm sorry to say, so dumb at the top.
	She was like, okay, this is good.
	He's going to come peacefully.
	And then just boom.
	And he just, she took it like a champo.
	She didn't go down and then they tased him.
	Um, but statistically as they are, Black perpetrators are more likely to, and that could also be byproduct of drugs in certain communities, more likely to physically assault an officer.
	So there's a disparity there.
	But as far as armed white men and armed black men, white men are more likely to be shot.
	And a police officer is 16 times more likely to be shot by a black man than a black man from a police officer.
	And that includes black police officers.
	That's my problem with Black Lives Matter.
	And then one side of Black Lives Matter, one side back to blue.
	Well, hold on a second.
	What about the black lives of these black policemen?
	Because there are a lot of black policemen.
	And we need them.
	We need them because I think a lot of them say, hey, we need some kind of police reform.
	They had bad police in their community.
	And they say, I want to improve it, do well.
	But I've spoken with a lot of black officers and they go, yeah, this is a thankless job.
	It's a thankless job now because I'm being demonized as a black police officer.
	Like it's, I'm on one side of it and I hate my community.
	It couldn't be further from the truth.
	And that to me was really sad.
	I think it also, it kind of erodes away at the white officers.
	Yeah.
	Because it, you know, over time, they just, they start to say, suck it.
	And I've seen some bad black police officers.
	I mean, it's like bad white police officer, but when I see them on tape, the black officer, it just kind of, it hurts me a little bit more.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I am a black woman.
	So it's just, man, I just, I thought we were better than this, but I mean.
	They're human just like everybody else is, so I mean, they need reform just like everybody, just like all the police officers, or the ones that have the issues.
	The one that really breaks my heart, and I'll end with this, because I think a lot of people don't know this.
	You remember, well really the first Hands Up, Don't Shoot was Mike Brown, right?
	Not Mike Brown, the officer.
	I'll tell you this, because Mike Brown assaulted that police officer with his own gun.
	A lot of people don't know that.
	And that guy, Darren Wilson was the name of the police officer so a lot of people because there are bad police officers right you have you have certain ones where it's you're like okay clearly this was a wrong shoot but that one was used his hands weren't up
	He was reaching into the police car, he had hit the cop, taken his gun, and was beating the s*** out of this officer, Darren Wilson.
	And Darren Wilson, actually, he specifically, he was actually given a job in a pretty easy area, and he said, no, I actually want to be here, I want to go to Ferguson, because I think that we have bad policing, and we need to build trust between our police department and the black community.
	He was loved in that community.
	He was one of the good officers.
	And that was an example of a story that was just people were force-fed a lie.
	A complete lie.
	And you saw what happened with, you know, with Ferguson after that in Missouri.
	Like, I think if people knew that truth, they would go, okay, let's take a step back.
	Because that guy's life was destroyed.
	I was going to say whatever happened to him, like, probably in hiding somewhere, I guess.
	Because I'm sure he got a jillion death threats or whatever, so.
	And you lose a good cop.
	Yep.
	You lose a good cop.
	Not saying there aren't the bad cops, but people don't know that story a lot and it was used as a lie where hands up, don't shoot.
	And again, if you said, hold on a second, hold on a second.
	This is not true.
	You get people shut you down and go, well, are you a racist?
	You're saying, no, no, no, no.
	I'm saying that this is not the example that you're talking about.
	Um, and that one, if, if ever you get some time, I would look at, you know, Darren Wilson and read up on him.
	That guy was really vilified.
	Um, When he was trying to do the right thing.
	The guy was torn up, too.
	He didn't want to have to shoot him.
	What do you do, though, when you have a guy reaching for a gun, reaching into your car, beating the shit out of you?
	So Mike Brown, and he was a big dude, too.
	Is the air on?
	Probably not.
	Yeah, it's hot.
	Travis, is the air on?
	He was a big dude, and he was a criminal.
	The answer now. Yep.
	Yep.
	Can you turn it up a little bit, maybe?
	I think they on the high seat back there.
	Literally, yeah.
	It's hot as heck.
	Just admit it, you on the high seat.
	That's alright, Jay.
	Yeah, heat rises.
	It's hot back here.
	You know, as the song says, it's getting hot in here.
	Yes.
	But I'm not taking anything off.
	I was about to say, you heard what Nelly said.
	Nah.
	Not today.
	Not today, sir.
	I have a theory about Nelly.
	I have a theory about his Band-Aid.
	You know what it is?
	What?
	I think, because if you look at Nelly, back when he was a teenager, he had bad acne.
	I think he had a bad zit, and he covered it up with his Band-Aid.
	And I was like, what are you wearing a Band-Aid for?
	He's like, no, this is my new style thing.
	I'm doing the Band-Aid thing.
	And then he had to stick with it.
	I have no factual basis for that.
	It does make sense.
	It does.
	You know why I thought that?
	Because I tried it when I was a teenager.
	I had a really bad zit, and I was like, oh, I fell off my bike.
	Sir, what were we asking before?
	I think we were talking about... Mike Brown.
	Oh yeah, Mike Brown.
	Mike Brown.
	He was big.
	Yeah, he was a big dude.
	Big dude.
	A lot bigger than Darren Wilson.
	And, you know, that day he had just, he had just, you know, knocked over a liquor store.
	He had stolen one of the shopkeepers.
	He assaulted the shopkeeper and then got into an altercation with the officer, Darren Wilson.
	And yeah, reached for the guy's gun and hit him in the head like...
	Black big dude, though.
	And, uh, that officer was, uh, he was there because he wanted to be there.
	He wanted to be there.
	And he said, Hey, we don't have good trust in the black community.
	So I want to serve this community.
	And they loved him before that, but the media picks it up.
	And a lot of people don't do their research and it becomes hands up.
	Don't shoot.
	His hands weren't up.
	He was in the car, beating the guy, grabbing the cop's gun.
	Now, I think when we talk about that, the solution, so like, this is an unpopular opinion.
	I love chokeholds.
	Now, I mean actual chokeholds, because I come from a submission wrestling background.
	The problem is, a lot of cops, they only learn their hand-to-hand combat.
	They do it once.
	And then they're police officers for the rest of their lives.
	And so, if you don't actually know how to handle somebody physically, you have to go to your gun.
	Right.
	So, I think they should have guns.
	Obviously, police officers need guns.
	We're not like the UK where they have billy clubs and they just get mobbed and they can't do anything.
	But, a lot of people, the problem is they say, okay, we don't want police officers to have guns.
	Like, we don't want them to have tasers.
	And I say, we don't want chokeholds.
	We don't want, okay, well, what do you, now what do you do?
	What do you want?
	And I don't mean, now, a chokehold, just to be clear, and we actually did this on the show, where I was like, because this is something, I don't know, do it a lot.
	I've been choked out many, many, many, many times.
	It's in the sport.
	Oh, so Jiu-Jitsu or Judo.
	Yeah, it's a sport.
	It's like, it's like wrestling, but it's a choke or it's a joint lock.
	Chokehold is not drowning.
	It's not suffocating.
	It happens in three seconds.
	Your blood gets shut off and you just go to sleep.
	You don't even feel pain.
	You feel like, you ever fall asleep in class?
	Feels just like that, if applied properly.
	So, it's actually the safe.
	You don't want to have to get punched, knocked out, hit your head off the concrete.
	You don't have to break somebody's arm.
	You don't have to tase them.
	So, that gets maligned, where people go, oh, this, like, when we're talking about George Floyd, there was no chokehold.
	That wasn't a chokehold.
	That had nothing to do with a chokehold.
	But now, police officers can't use that at all.
	And so, they have to go to their gun.
	They should be trained at hand-to-hand, just like teachers who need or want a gun.
	I think we act as though all violence is bad.
	And it's not.
	Like, how are you going to subdue a violent criminal?
	What's the least harmful way?
	Not shooting them!
	But, you know, this would be considered sexist.
	And they should have regular training as well.
	Yes!
	Think about it!
	I mean, annually, hey, let's refresh.
	Because maybe you forgot, or let's just make sure that you know what you're doing.
	Do you have to renew your license at all?
	Like a beauty license?
	How often?
	Every two years.
	Every two years?
	And what's the test like?
	The first, we have one initial test, so it's not bad.
	It's a hands-on, and then there's a practical another.
	Okay, and you have to show that you're confident every couple of years.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	We just have to do a five-hour... What's the information report?
	So we have to do 15 minutes of sex trafficking, and then you've got to do five hours of just continual education.
	Will you say sex trafficking?
	Okay.
	You're gonna have to give... What?
	Yes, we do.
	Was it because there's a lot of sex trafficking?
	I don't know, they just want us to be aware in case a little scent's in our chair, and maybe, you know, trying to show signs or something up there.
	Is this news to you?
	It is.
	I was about to ask why.
	You just said it like it was like you were just listing off your breakfast items.
	Well, it's been going on since sex trafficking got really popular, so it became a part of, it wasn't always a part of the curriculum, so it made it mandatory, though.
	Oh, okay.
	I will say that it was, you know, not to get off on another subject, but yes, I've heard of the sex trafficking here, like, more recently.
	I like having these conversations.
	I usually talk to ass****s, that's my problem.
	So I'm like, oh, I want to talk for a long time.
	It's horrible.
	Well, okay, so that brings me...
	I know I said I was going to go, but I...
	Yeah, I like having these conversations.
	I usually talk to ass****, so that's my problem.
	So I'm like, oh, I want to talk for a long time.
	Sex trafficking is because of really the problem that we have at the border right now.
	Like a lot of illegal immigration.
	People, again, turn that into a racist issue.
	We need to either close down the border or we need to make sure that we know who's coming into the country because it's a problem.
	The big problem with that is the record number of sex traffic.
	I mean, sex slaves.
	Sex slaves right now.
	It's unheard of.
	What do you guys think about that?
	Or gals, sorry.
	Zs, if I have to use gender neutral now.
	What do you think about the board issue, immigration in this country?
	Do you think that's a problem that needs to be addressed?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I'm all for people getting a chance to live the so-called American dream that we're all living so abundantly here, but I just feel like there are so many issues that we have with the people that are here.
	Again, I'm not against people coming in, but I mean, let's do it the legal and correct way.
	Why do we have all this sneaking across the border and blah blah blah?
	And I mean, and some of the people that do that, they actually end up being, you know, decent citizens.
	Do you want to call them that?
	Because they're not technically US citizens, but you know, they work and contribute to society, you know, that's great.
	But I mean, then there are those that do not.
	Yeah.
	So, but again, we don't know that because you're sneaking over illegally.
	So it's like, yeah, yeah.
	See, I think if you're being honest here, that was the first time when we were talking, you were like, oh, I gotta be careful what I say, right?
	You're going, I'm not saying people come here legally because you don't want to be accused of being racist, right?
	That's what white people have to deal with all the time.
	All the time.
	I don't mean to say all black people, I don't mean to say all, but what I mean, like, that's the problem.
	I think it's completely self-explanatory.
	You're not talking about people who come here legally, but I don't think there's any racism at all in saying, You're coming here illegally, we don't know who you are.
	You could just as easily be a sex trafficker, which many are.
	Or you could be a decent person.
	We don't know.
	And it just so happens that it's at the southern border, so obviously a disproportionate number are going to be Hispanic.
	But that's not why you have a problem with illegal immigration.
	If it was happening in Canada, you'd probably have the same problem.
	It'd be a bunch of obnoxious white people.
	Canadians are obnoxious.
	I think we should close the Canadian network.
	But the Canadians were all nice and wonderful and friendly people.
	Have you seen our Prime Minister?
	Have you seen how many times that guy's done blackface?
	No, no, seriously, have you?
	No, I have not.
	He does it more than any... He does it like 15 times.
	We actually, every time we do a story on the show and we go, oh, the TV Prime Minister had this to say, we just show one of the clips of him in blackface.
	We go, oh, sorry, wrong clip.
	Just because I want everyone to know that that guy did it so many times.
	He would go to sports games and paint his arms and legs black.
	Oh, he went black body, not black face.
	He went blonde.
	It's almost like a fetish.
	Like, he would do it all the time.
	Because he's a b****.
	And now, of course, he goes out and now he's the most progressive liberal.
	Like, he literally, in his speeches in Canada, will say, and I want to discuss this with our, and he will say this, he will say, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, asexual, and a two-spirited community.
	Two-spirit?
	That's a new one.
	Okay.
	Now see, liberal white people go like, oh yeah, sure, two-spirit.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Like, we know.
	No, it means it's a Native American version of, like, pansexual.
	I mean, so you, you're not actually transgender.
	Your spirit is multiple genders.
	Wow.
	I just explained it and it still doesn't make sense to me.
	What?
	Yeah.
	So, but now, so in other words, people forgive him, right?
	Because, oh, he's, he's on our side in Canada.
	This guy did blackface so many times.
	Like when you think of Megyn Kelly, I don't know if you remember Megyn Kelly, she got in so much trouble.
	She got fired from ABC, NBC.
	They said she was encouraging blackface.
	Did you actually hear her quote?
	She just said, she said, well, I'm not talking like blackface minstrel shows.
	She said, but like when I was a kid, I had friends, white friends who dressed up like Diana Ross for Halloween with the hair and like, cause they love Diana Ross.
	She said, is that racist?
	And they, that's why she got fired.
	Wow.
	The exact quote was talking about she had a white friend who dressed up like Diana Ross.
	And she said, I think, like, that obviously means that they loved Diana Ross.
	They weren't trying to be racist.
	They just wanted to dress up like Diana Ross.
	You know why?
	Because she spoke up.
	You know why?
	She spoke indirectly up.
	You know, she didn't say, oh, you know, everybody should just love everyone.
	She just said, I had a white friend that dressed up like Diana Ross.
	So she spoke too much.
	If she would have just been quiet and not even addressed the fact that she even had a friend who did that, she wouldn't have got fired.
	No, no.
	But that's the problem, right?
	Yeah, speaking up.
	She'd be afraid, like, oh... Yeah, something as simple as that.
	Yeah.
	And it seems like there's a picking of the right people.
	It's like, okay, you did blackface 15 times, but you say the right words now, so we're gonna leave you.
	But we don't like you because you're, you know, a pretty blonde woman, and you're talking about that.
	You're fired.
	Because she's the stereotype of who white people should be, the blonde, pretty white girl.
	So when you hear another blonde, pretty white girl, it's like, oh, Diana Ross, she had black friends.
	That turns them on, their ears up, to the point where, well, maybe she's not racist.
	She's not like us.
	It makes them start going there in their mind.
	I do always find it funny, though, when someone actually said something racist, and they get caught.
	And that was the Canadian Prime Minister.
	I remember I was hitting myself laughing when this happened.
	So it came out, the first two videos of him doing blackface, and he was at this press conference, and he's just like, when you talk about weak white men, it's this guy, right?
	And he comes out and he goes, Yes, and you know, I'm really sorry about, you know, in my past, I did dress up in ways that were, you know, distasteful.
	And I did it, I did this one time, and I'm very apologetic.
	And I apologize to the black community, the whole apology where I have to make this right.
	Okay, he thinks he's about to get off scot-free.
	So he addresses the one, he's like, Okay, thank you very much.
	And he's about, he's walking off.
	And one of the reporters goes, Yeah.
	Are there any other times that you've performed in blackface?
	And he stops.
	And he turns back and goes, Oh, well, there was a there was one time at a school talent show where I did perform The banana song.
	Thank you.
	No more questions.
	I Have to find this video like he had to address it like there was one time when I did full blackface and perform the banana song And you thought you were just gonna walk off right?
	Oh my gosh I I was peeing myself laughing so hard because he got caught tantarites and tried to try to just shake it off and So, all right.
	Anyway, go watch that if you want a good laugh.
	Oh yeah, Justin Trudeau.
	You'll want to punch him in his smug, stupid Canadian face.
	All right, I'll let you continue doing your thing.
	How long do you have to sit in this chair?
	With generally three or four.
	Oh my god.
	How long have we been talking?
	I don't know.
	90 minutes?
	I'm sorry, I'm a chatty Cathy.
	It's not bad.
	These are all good.
	These are all good.
	Yeah.
	This is how concerned I am.
	This is 25 bucks and it takes me like 30 minutes.
	I know it's not a major selling point.
	I haven't had my hair cut in months.
	And I got one compliment from a woman, so I'm like, I'm never cutting my hair again.
	I still think so.
	I think it looks great.
	I just need to trim this stuff.
	You know, I need to clean this up.
	A little bit?
	Yeah.
	The bisperous?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's just because they said you have to grow it out first, and then trim it.
	You know?
	But, I don't know.
	I'll probably cut it.
	What's your name again?
	My name's Steven.
	It was Maya and... Jasmine.
	Jasmine.
	Thank you, Maya and Jasmine.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you very much.
	My hands are... Oh, sorry.
	Nice meeting you.
	Thank you, Maya.
	I actually have one more question.
	Yeah, yeah, go.
	Which is talking about immigration in just Mexico in general, because that's where the border is.
	How do you feel about, or how do you feel when they come over and Didn't I learn to speak English?
	Bothers me.
	Me as well.
	Yeah.
	No, it bothers me as well.
	I mean, this is a good example of only in the United States is it considered racist to say we should have a national language.
	Other countries do.
	In Canada we have two, English and French.
	Which is also stupid.
	French shouldn't be one.
	But yeah, that's also been something.
	So this is, it's interesting that you bring that up because a lot of people in the white community have said we need to have a language that we all speak.
	And they're accused of being racist.
	Don't you get pissed off when you call into the customer service line and it's like press one for English, right?
	I shouldn't have to press a damn thing.
	Yes, we are in America.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No, I completely, I mean, my mom is French Canadian and she had to learn English.
	You know, she had to learn English.
	She came here when my dad, when we moved to Canada, my dad had to learn French.
	Are you choking?
	Are you okay?
	Grab some water from that salt shaker looking thing.
	It looks like the kosher salt shaker.
	It doesn't look like a tumbler at all.
	That's my son.
	That's your son?
	Aww.
	He graduated last year.
	Oh, that's okay.
	I know you're telling me, I haven't, okay, I haven't quite since you asked me about like a What is it?
	What is it?
	This is something we don't do in the white community.
	What about blind people wearing, like, shirts with, like, that, like, shirts of people on their shirts, and it'll have, like, like, a person?
	Well... White people, like, it's just funny to us, because we never do it.
	Yeah.
	Unless it's, like, a family reunion.
	I was gonna say, I don't even think I've seen one within a family reunion, a white family wearing anybody on their shirt.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, unless it's a gag.
	Yeah.
	Like a weird Christmas gift or something.
	Yeah, it's like a bachelorette party.
	Yeah.
	It's like her throwing up in the toilet or something just to embarrass her.
	I think, honestly, because we do it.
	It could be for a funeral, a birthday party.
	We really celebrate, you know what I'm saying?
	When you want to remember the person and they feel special when your face is there.
	That's how my daughter feels.
	I have a 12-year-old daughter.
	She wants her face in that tank.
	She wants her face on her shirt.
	She's just happy.
	At funerals, they do it for remembering.
	And they put the person's face on their shirt.
	That's just for us.
	Yeah, but then they keep wearing the shirt.
	Yes.
	Like three weeks later, a quick trip.
	Yes, they will.
	I've never been vegan on that show.
	Me neither.
	I don't wear dead people on me.
	I don't.
	Well, this is some money.
	Right?
	There you go.
	Let's remember example, just a cultural difference where it's like, I know a lot of people want to ask, white people want to ask the question.
	Like, I don't know if I'm going to be considered racist.
	Like, this is something that's so foreign to us.
	Yeah.
	But as a black person, it's foreign and strange to me too.
	That's just the way they do it.
	Again, who am I to say anything?
	So you're the odd one out at a birthday party where they're all wearing the shirt of like, whatever, Sandra, and you're like, no, I'm wearing a nice blouse.
	Yeah, that's me.
	I'm wearing a nice blouse.
	Yeah.
	I was going to say, first of all, I don't think I have any friends that would have a party that would require a shirt.
	That had their face on it, so.
	And if I'd had that kind of friend, then... Oh my god, I shouldn't say that.
	I was about to say, I think I would have a problem.
	Yeah, well, as I said, some people take it super seriously.
	Like, you refuse to wear the shirt, you're gonna end up on Worldstar.
	So, I... That's very strange.
	No, I agree with you on the immigrant... No, that's something that we all would... And by the way, you know how else would agree?
	A lot of legal Hispanic immigrants, too.
	Who've learned the language.
	Exactly!
	Yeah.
	The most racist person I know.
	It's hilarious.
	One of my best friends, he's my booking agent.
	His name is William.
	He's super gay.
	He's Cuban.
	And he's super right wing.
	Like he's gay, but he's like, he's like, Oh my God, he's like, he's like, it's why it's so funny.
	It's so funny.
	Like, he's like, gosh, he's like, what is going on?
	I have a bunch of gay friends.
	None of these want to get married.
	He's like, what are you talking about?
	This is, and he really doesn't like Puerto Ricans because he's Cuban.
	And I go, William, why do you, why do you, I grew up in New York in the 70s, and everyone thought I was Puerto Rican.
	It was the most insulting thing in the world.
	Do I look like Ricky Martin or a criminal?
	No, I'm not Puerto Rican, I'm Cuban.
	But he's learned English, and he's like, I can learn English.
	He's like, my parents came here on a raft from Cuba to flee communism, and listen to me, he's like, I'm a gay, Cuban, conservative American, and I'm not, people need to stop ****ing, learn the language, go to work.
	So, I appreciate him.
	When I talk about it, people think I'm making them up.
	Oh my gosh.
	I would rather talk to an automated machine versus talking to them sometimes.
	Oh, I know.
	I'm going to try and fake you out.
	Like, where are you from, Prakash?
	Like, I'm calling from Savannah, Georgia.
	Oh, you bullsh**.
	Right.
	Just tell me you're calling from a call center in Bangladesh where they chain you to a computer for nine hours a day and give you a piss break for four minutes.
	And we'll be fine in this conversation.
	I just don't want you to lie to me.
	Yeah.
	No, it is an issue.
	And it's, again, another thing where I think people would find common ground, but that one's free.
	Well, I think that we are over-accommodating them because you see, or, I mean, because there are just a lot more Mexicans here.
	In Texas, everything is in Spanish now.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, what?
	Why do I have to learn to speak your language when you're in America?
	But, again, it's just, Everybody wants to have a conversation.
	Everybody just wants everything to flow, you know, nice and easy.
	Let's do this for them.
	They're making it way too easy.
	Yeah.
	No.
	No.
	I agree with you.
	All right, I'll let you go.
	I'll let you go finish up.
	Thank you, ladies.
	Thanks for the conversation.
	No, thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	That was fun.
	Oh my gosh, my eyes are adjusting now coming out here.
	How you doing?
	What?
	Okay.
	All right.
	When you come from back there, it's different.
	Yeah, it is.
	I'm just seeing like a silhouette.
	It's like your eyes have to adjust.
	So that's my theory on Nelly.
	It's probably bullsh**, but... I gotta say it.
	That's how rumors get started.
	That's how rumors get started.
	Lindsay Lohan wrote a song about that sh**.
	But she's obnoxious, so... Remember, none of this is possible without you.
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