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Aug. 21, 2023 - Louder with Crowder
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Do Blacks & Whites REALLY Hate Each Other? | Black & White On The Gray Issues
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Are your personal interactions with white people worse than ever?
Yeah.
So if you've turned on the news or even glanced at social media over the last few years, you'd probably be under the impression that race relations, particularly between white and black Americans, is at an all-time low.
The race wars are on the way, if you will.
Because you have black people speak on behalf of black people, white people speak on behalf of white people, black people telling white people, white people apologizing to black people, but you don't often see black people and white people just talking.
Is this reflective of our real-world experiences?
I think you may be surprised with what I found when I actually went out and did something crazy.
Talked with people.
This is Black and White on the Gray Issues.
First question I guess to you is what would you say race relations are like in the states
Where do you think they are?
I think it's almost even, man.
Whereas, what I mean when I say even, like, okay, you know, there's still some work to be done, but there's not as much work that needs to be done.
Because when you think about race relations right now, today, you know what I'm saying, everybody is basically Communicating with each other.
Everybody's doing their thing together.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
They're linking up on different fronts.
They just taking care of their business.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
You got some people that are dummies who really don't, you could say, want to get with the program.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And you got, you know what I'm saying, because it's a lot of things going on in the world.
Yeah.
Well, you're always going to have individual racists, right?
People who are racist.
But it sounds to me like you're saying you think they're better now than they were before.
No, I'm saying times are better.
Yeah.
Because if you think, if you go back to Emmett Till, people like that.
Oh yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
The times then versus the times now.
Yeah.
If you come to Deep Element.
Yeah.
Then you're going to see.
Then we kind of ended up with more of that, right?
Emmett Till and Me Too came out and there were a bunch of people being falsely accused.
But on the same, but on the same token, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you're saying race-related issues.
When I come to Deep Element, all I see is Well, that's what I see in real life, but I mean in the media.
In the media, oftentimes, things are stoked where they make it seem like it's worse.
I mean, you know.
Nah, you don't think so?
I really think that the media function is on a scale bigger than what people think.
I really believe that today how the media operates, it can't operate with that basic
regular stuff that it used to operate with.
So they have to go deep cover and really get the good juice, get the good stuff.
So you think media has an interest in controversy and making race relations seem worse than
they are in real life?
Most definitely.
That's what I find, too.
I find that my interactions, you know, having been raised in a church where it was mixed, you know, a lot of black people in church and being a comic, you know, being around a lot of guys, my interactions are very different from what you see in the media as far as... Want me to say this here, man?
Yeah.
See, like, when you start putting labels on things, that's when things get messed up, right?
Right.
So, like, bam, if we all American, right?
We're all American, right?
Yeah.
So, like, if I go to a hospital and I need a blood transfusion, right?
I can't say, don't put that white blood in me.
Or that Mexican blood.
You feel me?
I gotta accept the blood that they gonna give me and hope it, you know what I'm saying, work.
That's a good analogy.
Oh, good?
Oh, God.
So, like, I think that Ever since people put analogies on shit, that's when it got messed up.
Yeah.
Because now you can view this as something different.
Right.
That's a black thing, that's a white thing.
He's black.
Yeah.
He's white.
But see, you know what I'm saying, what about the American culture?
Yeah.
The Great Milton Pot.
Are you proud to be American?
Yeah, so you think it's a great country, flaws, but proud to be American?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, what do you, and that's been my experience with both white and black Americans.
What do you think about, you know, obviously this happened in Deep Elm, like, Black Lives Matter.
I think all lives matter.
Oh, shoot.
But if I say that, you know, I'm a white supremacist, right?
They said you can't say that.
It was a racist term.
Listen, this is what I think that all people do.
I think all people use the race issue as a platform for some bullshit sometimes.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Sometimes they let alcohol, things of that nature, you know what I'm saying?
Me wiring them up to say some shit that they really don't mean to mean.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Trying to catch someone.
You know what I'm saying?
It's kind of like crazy.
Say like, you might be with some of your white partner and y'all out drinking.
So, bam!
And y'all have some words with someone and then here it is.
Boom!
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm not going to say because if I said I'm going to have a bunch of fists coming down on you.
You have people that do that under the influence and then the next day regret that they did something like that.
So you're saying someone could say that in a moment of anger and not be a racist, just be mad.
Most definitely.
Like if you get mad or something, you know, and you're with a friend and you say, I hate, or like when you're a kid, you say, dad, I hate you.
You don't really hate him.
You're just like, ah, we got into a fight.
So someone could just say something that doesn't mean they're a racist.
It means they had a moment of weakness.
and anger. Yeah, no I agree. And then we judge people at their worst moment. And that's really
messed up. Everybody's gonna be judged. Yep. Yep. Yep.
I really appreciate the opportunity.
Well, let me, let me ask.
I appreciate it too, man.
I actually think your point of view is refreshing that people should hear this because a lot of people out there, I will tell you this, a lot of white people out there are scared to have conversations.
They're scared because they're scared.
A lot of white people.
No, a lot of white people are man.
Cause they're afraid of being called the racist.
Let me tell you, it's the ones that ain't got no business going on, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
That's scary because if you got some business going on, man, money don't have color, bro.
Right.
You feel me?
So you gotta deal with everybody.
So you have to have relationships with different types of people, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
So I gotta learn how... So that means that, you understand, me as an American, in America, I gotta be like, switching up to be a Mexican, to be able to talk to all cultures, man.
But we just one culture, man.
We just need to throw all those Hispanics and all that s***.
I ain't saying forget about your history or nothing like that.
Right.
I'm just saying, we got a history here.
Yeah.
Not be colorblind, but we have more in common than we have that's different.
But we also need to unify on different fronts, and you understand me, and get all these different, you understand me, ideologies and social programs and all this shit that's jumping out.
Get that, man, get, move that out the way, man.
Yeah.
That shit live life, man.
If you, if you do something, take your lick.
Yeah, take responsibility for it.
I will, all the time.
No, and that's one thing that I appreciate is the accountability culture, what you're talking about.
Nowadays, you got a lot of people out here, they're not taking accountability.
No?
You think that's the big problem on all fronts?
I think so.
I agree.
See, if you got one finger pointing at you, you got one pointing back, too, because your thumb is pointing back at you.
That'd be a white-ass finger, too.
He's as white as they get.
That's Russian, this dude right here.
He needs some sunlight.
He's got SPF ozone layer on right now.
Yeah, man.
Alright, let me ask you a couple.
So these are like some issues that you hear about in the media and they turn it into a
racial issue and I don't think it is, right?
Do you think, for example, voting, to have identification, just any kind of ID, does
that make sense to you?
You think you should have ID to vote?
I think the only way you should have ID or need ID is if there is a census.
See if there's a census that means that you don't encounter everybody so you know how
many people live in the county, right?
Right.
So, bam!
So, if this person, if we got, say, 50,000 in the county, then, you know, gotta have a census.
You gotta have an ID.
So now, your ID validates your vote.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's exactly right.
I think we agree on that one.
Right now, a big cultural issue going on.
You know, like biological men, the trans men competing in women's sports.
Hey, I don't think that should be done.
I think that if a dude, if he's born a dude, no matter what his sexuality is, I think that he's still, in the eyes of man and God, gonna remain a dude.
Yeah.
So he can cut his penis off.
He can, you know what I'm saying, inflate his chest.
Yeah.
He can put it in his butt.
It's still a dude, man.
I don't know what he does with his butt.
I don't think that's part of the procedure.
He still got testosterone, man.
Yeah, or at least he did.
No, that's a big issue.
Well, here, do you think it's crazy, though, that what you just said, and I agree with you, could be labeled hate speech, right?
Because now they'll say, oh, you're transphobic.
No, no, no, no.
Because look, see, this is what people don't understand.
Like, they have made homosexuality a mental disease, man.
You know what I'm saying?
You can be put on psych medication to be a homosexual.
Yeah.
Or for being, you know, just because you're a homosexual.
What you're saying, now they've enabled it with the sports stuff, where it's like, yeah, you can't have dudes... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about they have a psych term.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, like, like, like, say, this dude is a homosexual, you can go into DSM, new little book and look up a diagnosis of homosexuality.
Yeah, well they changed it though, like with trans. Did you know that?
They changed it where it used to be body dysmorphia was if you were, you know,
claiming you were transgender. They said it was a disorder of someone who thought they were,
you know, transgender, but now they changed it to say, oh no, no, you are actually a woman.
It's a symptom of the fact that you're not, you're born in the wrong body.
You can't be a woman.
No, yeah.
That's just, that's just, that's just a lot of people just having too many ideas in their head, man.
And then, like, people take things too literal sometimes, man.
You know what I'm saying?
Like religion, all that stuff, man.
Yeah.
So, you know, I think that at the end of the day, man, if, uh, if you go through your problems and live your problems and if you happy with what you got going on, then everything's great with you.
We're all Americans, right?
And you believe in personal accountability.
All lives matter.
People need to stop making it all about race.
That's right.
And no snitching.
Yeah, no, I agree.
Hey, that's one thing I do appreciate about the black community for sure.
I've had a few of these guys are snitches.
I'm not sure that they're not.
Hey, Brian.
Thanks, man.
Appreciate it, bro.
I appreciate it, man.
That was refreshing.
Thanks.
How would you sort of characterize, or how do you view race relations in the United States right now?
How do you see it?
hit us so I'm an idiot. So where's the best place for us to be?
How would you sort of characterize or how do you view like race relations in
the United States right now? How do you see it?
Um, I do believe a lot of it is an agenda. So again, I'm a light-skinned person myself, so if you know what that means, I'm black and white.
things that they are portraying and projecting right now, I think that is to distract people
from what's really important.
You know what I'm saying?
So when I look at the race issues, and I believe that's what you're talking about right now,
that there's a racial divide.
Yeah, that's what the media portrays.
I don't necessarily believe that.
I'm a light-skinned person myself, so if you know what that means, I'm black and white.
Not compared to these guys.
I mean, unless you're translucent.
Yeah, I'm black and white.
So I've definitely experienced both sides of the spectrum when it comes to things like that.
So I lived in a place like Louisiana, which was very southern, right?
And if you know the history of Louisiana, Like, I guess it was a very racial place, but my growing up there in high school, I experienced a lot more racism from the black people than from the white people.
Really?
That's fair to say, yeah.
What kind of racism would you experience from black people?
I would say, when you talk about discrimination against a group, That's what I'm saying.
I feel that I was discriminated towards because of the light of skin.
Now, the white people in the school, I wouldn't say that there was really any conflict with them between me and that's what I feel like.
It is more what the media wants to do and what I feel like a lot of even black people are struggling with is believing That's surprising.
As a completely white person, obviously, I was raised in Canada.
I'm very, very white.
We're always told, and especially with Barack Obama, that, oh, biracial people are always treated like they're black.
Right?
That's what you hear in the media, and that wasn't your experience.
Yeah, definitely not.
I don't believe that that's an experience for most.
And I believe that America, a lot of people have a victim mentality and they don't really ever search truth for themselves.
And they just get fed a lot of things and a lot of truth.
So yeah, that's what I struggle with a lot, especially a place like Dallas.
It's a melting pot.
So it's nice to live in a place like this, but then you also see A lot of people just being distracted by all that's going around them and never really searching truth for themselves.
And that's what makes me sad.
I'm a believer.
I'm a Christian.
I believe in the Word of God.
I believe in Jesus.
So when I see people being deceived by these Yeah.
Man, it's refreshing to hear because you're saying... I would agree with pretty much everything you just said, right?
And I think this is an issue too.
I obviously think racism exists to some degree.
There are individual races, like you've experienced it.
White people are very, what you just said, white people would be afraid to say because they'd be afraid to be accused of being racist, right?
That is a fear right now, which I will tell you creates a divide.
Like if they, when Black Lives Matter happened, right?
We just talked with two or three guys.
He said, man, I think all lives matter.
And I said, no, white people were called supremacists if they said that.
So they go, I'm just not going to voice an opinion that creates more distance.
Do you sense that a little bit, where maybe white people are kind of pulling back because they're afraid of being accused?
It's a witch hunt, that everything is racist.
If they express the exact same opinions you just did, most white people will... that's 100% in common.
Yeah, and that's what I would have to say, that there needs to be... instead of starting a group that is labeled Black Lives Matter, which again, like when... so I see a lot of the media, right, of like when like Somebody will post like oh this strong black woman and then like and that happens by the black community where they continue to describe themselves and kind of belittle themselves by their skin color that like okay that's what's important by me about me I mean what I'm saying and I don't think that's what's important about anybody and even when it goes into the and I this might be a little bit off topic but when you go into the gay community or the trans community and
It's funny to me how their whole identity is wrapped in their sexuality.
You know what I'm saying?
And I just see like that's a very sad life to live for anybody and even as like let's say I walked around here light-skinned and I started as an African American.
I walked around here and I made my whole life just about my skin color and praising that and lifting that up.
I just think that that's the biggest waste of time and a distraction that I think the media tries to push.
Best thing they could do is continue to keep tension between racial groups when there really shouldn't be any.
Again, in my life, I haven't came across anybody, and when they talk about systemic racism, that hasn't been my experience with life at all.
So I think that people really need to look into their own life experiences and not take the life experiences of certain people and then claim that as their own just because it's from their same racial group.
I think that was very well said.
Let me ask you one kind of question in closing.
Why do you think what you just said, by the way, there's a mixed group, they're white, but a mixed group of people here.
We have, you know, we have Russian, we have, sometimes black people don't realize like not all white people are the same, but everyone would agree with what you just said.
It was well-spoken.
Why do you think what you just said is not something that has ever echoed as representative of the black community in the media?
Meaning with CNN, places like that.
What you've just said, you don't hear as a voice in the black community.
Um, I think that the people who do try to speak up in that sense, um, do get shut down and get portrayed as they're crazy or they're psycho or they're mentally ill for having strong opinions.
And that's what frustrates me about the media is that like, um, and, and it's true that people, even on Instagram, you see stuff that is calling out like liberal groups of people.
Um, it's, it says sensitive, uh, false content.
You know what I mean?
So you see stuff getting censored like that.
And it's like, Then you see that already there's an agenda that they don't want truth to be made known.
So that's what I say.
I think it goes a lot deeper than just the conversation of black and white or even what these people are doing.
I think that there's a much deeper agenda and I think it goes all the way down to that the devil has a plan for this world.
But God also has one too and that's I would certainly agree with you, man.
And here's the thing, would it surprise you that we've spoken with a lot of people, a lot of black men today, and what you're saying is not uncommon.
There are a lot of dudes who think the same way.
But people don't talk.
We have a lot more in common than separates us.
I agree.
It's a symptom of the heart.
It's not a symptom of the melanin level.
I love that.
I appreciate what you guys do.
I would say that conversations are very much needed.
I love the work of people who like to sit down and have conversations.
I think that we are starting to see a lot more people rise up and speak truth.
It just starts with talking, man.
That's what it is.
It just starts with talking with people, not listening to what other people are saying.
It's like a game of telephone.
So what happens with a lot of white people and black people is like, black people think this.
And then a Van Jones goes, black people think that.
And he goes, black people think this.
And the white people are like, oh, OK, let me go tell other white people.
Black people think this.
And then at the end, we're like, oh, yeah, all black people are trans activist communists, or whatever the hell it is.
And people are like, what?
That's not what I said.
I said Apple, like in phone.
Oh, well Josiah, hey man, I appreciate it, man.
I really do.
Thank you.
Be blessed, man.
You guys as well.
For sure.
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How would you sort of characterize race relations in the United States today, between white and black people?
Between white and blacks, again, depending on where you are society-wise, a lot of times, oftentimes, your zip code determines your interaction.
Yeah.
So, for instance, if you're from my neck of the woods, it's all... Where are you from?
I'm actually from here, from Dallas.
But the zip codes in Dallas dictate or determine how often you interact with someone.
For my profession, I'll say it for this way, if I'm on a certain side of town, and I'm supposed to protect and serve, but yet the same if you see me as this, you clutch your purse.
Or just, you know, the Dominican black guy with tattoos.
Oh, he's afraid.
On the other side of town, it's like, hey, bro, how you doing, man?
Come on over.
So it all depends on where you're located, In your exposure, pretty much.
So you think that in certain areas of town, you think that the white people, like you said, Perce, white women are afraid of you?
No.
No, actually, not at all.
I think that I have to, as a person speaking for me, I have to be a bit more receiving.
Hi, how are you?
Pleasure.
Hey, what's up?
How you doing?
Yes, it might do it.
It's somewhat disarming.
Yes, absolutely.
Depending on whatever their experiences have been.
positive if you do that? Yeah, it might do. It's disarming?
It's somewhat disarming. Yeah.
Absolutely. Why do you think some people might have that initial reaction if you
don't interact that way? Depending on whatever their experiences have been.
For instance, if it's you see the villain on a TV show or on a movie, always, if
it's the guy that's putting his mask down, carjack him. And if he looks like me. Oh dude, no, no.
I gotta disagree.
If I have to watch another SimpliSafe commercial where it's a white guy who kicks in the door at 2 a.m.
Come on.
I have never seen a commercial, ever, where a black dude is a criminal.
Well, they're smarter than that.
They wouldn't do that.
It'd be the end of the... Okay, okay.
So we agree on that.
It's always like some guy who looks like Gary who's there to like, I'm here to rob your home.
Like, that's not what happens.
I think ideally, if you put yourself in an open environment, or if you're trying, if you're open to it, if you go to a park, and it's not Highland Park, or if it's not University Park, but if it's just a park, go interact with the kids.
Often times, I think that part of society is actually taught to us.
This is my own perspective.
If you put a group of five and six year olds around a playground, They could care less what the color of your skin is, or what your zip code is, or how much your 401k is.
They could care less.
They're just going to play.
They're just going to show love.
They're going to have fun.
And I think that as adults, as we as a society, we can get to that place again to where it's like, hey man, I see him.
I see a person.
We have more in common than separates us, probably, in a lot of ways.
Agreed.
But, you know, if you watch, certainly if you watch everything in the media, things are always categorized, often by race, very often.
Now, of course, sex and gender.
And I've always found, again, like going to church here in Texas, like the one I went to in Carrollton, was very mixed.
It was almost 50-50.
Absolutely.
Always had very good interactions.
There was a disconnect from going, hold on a second, on TV they're making it seem like we're Worlds apart, those aren't my interactions on a daily basis.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And even with myself.
He gave you the thumb up or something.
Oh, okay.
I don't know what he's doing.
I mean, in a place such as that, you're supposed to be open and welcoming.
Hospitals and churches, everybody's supposed to be open to it.
You're welcome.
Hey, come on in.
And I think that as a society, we shouldn't get too far from that in which we couldn't If anything happens, by law, I'd have to protect you.
reach you. I want to know you. What is it about you?
Well one thing I'll say because you talk about sort of your interactions that
maybe some people might clutch their purse right have these sort of preconceived notions.
I had it happen to me. I'm like man if anything happened by law I'd have to
protect you. I'm not the threat.
Well and I think for sure there are some people who have those preconceived notions.
And black people are probably sometimes, like you're saying, you have to go out of your way because you're concerned of them thinking maybe you're, let's say, you're violent.
Right.
On the flip side, you have white people often now, they're very afraid of interacting with black people because they're afraid of being accused of being racist.
That's a fear that a lot of white people have now.
Okay.
But I think maybe sometimes black people don't, well, we all have our kind of concerns because that white woman may have, she may have been mugged, you know what I mean?
She may have had a life, like you said, a life experience and wants to avoid it.
And if we don't talk, I've had in my experiences as well, and I also have a young lady that I was in a relationship with.
She's Caucasian.
We have a beautiful tri-racial baby together.
Her experiences and a lot of the things that I've exposed her to about my world before she would ever have known because they don't teach that in school.
They don't teach certain aspects of culture on that side of the world.
From being from Whitesboro or Pottsboro, they don't teach what I learned.
It has white in the name.
It's a town.
There's also white settlement.
So I came from Canada, I'm like, how the hell do you name the town this?
Like, I didn't get away with it.
I know, oh, I get it, I get it.
I have nothing to do, that was years before I got here.
No, no, I get it.
Just the exposure itself, and now, it's more than a just,
it's more than, well, hey, I understand him.
I'm receptive to him.
Right.
Okay.
He's not bad.
His family isn't bad.
They're not bad.
They're loving just like everyone else.
What do you think kind of, especially here in Deep Elm, what would you say the results were afterwards of, since you're saying we don't want to just label people by race, but like, you know, Black Lives Matter.
And there's a lot of fallout from that.
How would you classify that now?
Would you say it was good for relations across the country?
I think the topic itself was specific for that.
Not that anything, no one's lives matter.
Everyone's lives matter, in my opinion.
Even from my aspect, from my side looking.
And I'll stand in the front of the line and I'm the other guy that they're saying, hey, F you guys.
Because you're a cop.
They're saying F you guys, but wait.
Right.
Hey, dude.
My life don't matter.
You're just mad at me because of the uniform.
It's like working at any other place.
The Whataburger or Walmart.
It's my uniform.
It's who I am, but it doesn't dictate.
Right.
Yeah, I don't know what it was like here for you, but, um, you know, my dad over there, he was born and raised in Detroit, in the bad area of Detroit.
And, uh, the people who had it worse there, the worst were black cops in Detroit.
They would have to go home in unmarked cars when the riots were happening.
Because a lot of them were seen as, you know, they would say Uncle Tom's and they were, they were, they were threatened.
They were targeted.
I know.
No, it's a good point.
It's like using something.
You're like, I don't think you know what you're saying.
That would be a good start.
Yeah, no, that would be a good start.
But yeah, black cops in Detroit.
I don't know how, but it was really, really bad.
And I think that all lives matter in itself, but in particular on that time frame. Yeah, that's what we were
saying Hey, listen, whoa, hold up. Yeah
Dude is reaching for his wallet. Let him get his wallet Right.
And that's saying from both sides of the fence for myself.
Right.
Hey man, let him get his wallet.
So, what you just said, and you just touched, I just had a guy was talking, you said the exact same thing that you just said, right?
Everybody's lives matter, all lives matter.
Now here's a question that I would have, and I know I don't have unlimited time, but you know, that was something that a lot of people said, so white people say, look, I think all lives matter, and they were called racists or white supremacists if they said exactly what you just said.
That's ignorance.
That's ignorance.
But can you see how that makes white people afraid to even voice an opinion that's the same as yours?
In other words, we share the opinion, but I'm telling you.
Just like you're saying a lot of... But it wasn't about... It's basically, okay, this is where we're standing.
Right.
Stand with me.
I get it.
I'm not saying yours doesn't, but we're all unified saying, hey, these lives matter.
This specific person, this specific group, this specific...
Yeah.
Sure.
Yeah, but like you just said, though, right?
You just said that all lives do matter, everyone's lives matter.
And there are a lot of white people who come from poor areas, too, right, who have struggles.
And they were saying, well, hey, we need to fix this.
And if you think the system is rigged because it's racist, and by the way, I think the justice system has a lot of problems.
I think that if you just see it as a white and black thing, you're going to miss a lot of the problems, right?
And so saying, if we need to fix this system, we can't just approach it from a racial angle, that all lives matter, that justice matters, period, and it's not being done, then you can get to the solution.
But I'm telling you that a lot of white people were scared, obviously, because crime obviously went up here, you know, had to board up their businesses, and they were afraid to voice their opinion or reach out like now and just talk to people, because they're afraid of being called a racist.
But that's something that's internal with you, because I never said, hey, not... No, not you, but I'm saying that the media labeled everyone that way.
Yeah.
People, or black people as a culture, they never say, hey, don't come talk to me.
You just automatically shut up and say, well, I can't hear my point.
That's my point.
Why?
Yeah.
I didn't say you didn't have it.
Nobody told you you couldn't.
I'd want to hear you.
I want to be right.
I want to know what you're thinking because if I can't get it, if I don't know what's in your head.
Yeah.
I can't hear out of your heart.
You have Jesus is risen on your chest.
The Bible says out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth is going to speak.
Right.
So whatever your mouth says, that was in your heart.
Right.
Let me know what's in your heart.
Yeah, and that's exactly the point.
Like you're saying, if they don't reach it, it's usually white people using it as a weapon, calling other white people racist, and then they shut down.
And then this divide gets created.
Absolutely.
Let me ask something like this.
These are some hot-button issues right now.
Alright, alright.
Let me ask you.
Right now, a big issue, for example, I think we probably share a lot in common here.
Black and white people across the board.
Trans men competing with biological men in women's sports.
Where do you line up on that?
I don't have an opinion.
You don't have an opinion?
I don't.
Alright.
I just genuinely don't have an opinion.
Okay.
Let me ask you this.
The idea of, you know, vote, because you said you enforce the law.
I don't want to... People vote, right?
Voter identification.
Just any kind of identification.
I think that's something that's been turned into a racial issue, which doesn't seem like it should be.
I think it's more difficult for certain people to get it.
Yeah.
The opportunity.
And even if you've already paid your... This is my take.
If you've already paid your debt to society, You've already done what you've had to do, why can't you, at this point?
You mean, can't you vote?
Yeah, why can't you vote?
Well, just to make sure that you're the guy, or girl, voting.
Well, even still, who often says, hey, my name is John Jacob... Jane Goldheimer-Schmidt.
Right.
His name isn't mine, not him too.
Or, I'm just, hey man, my name is Eric, and... Dude was from Whitesboro, by the way.
Oh my gosh.
Trippin'.
Oh my gosh.
No, but I don't, I think that everybody should have a voice.
Yeah.
No matter who you are, what side of the fence you're on, in the middle, or far on the right, far on the left.
What's your voice?
Yeah.
Speak your piece.
All right, man.
And you know, that's what we're trying to do.
And I think I think it's a lot more productive than what you hear in the media.
People sitting around.
It's just absolutely so bad.
It ain't so bad.
There you go.
You heard it from me.
It ain't so bad.
All right.
I want to do it together.
Everybody does it better together.
Thanks, man.
I appreciate you taking the time, man.
I was really productive.
God bless.
You must never think deep enough of finding things on our own.
No, you shouldn't find things.
You're not good enough, no.
Hey, you're not enough.
You're just beautiful.
Jordan?
My brother's name is Jordan.
I'm Steven.
Nice to meet you, man.
Nice to meet you, too.
How would you classify or, like, characterize, you know, where we are as a country right now, uh, racially, between, you know, black, white?
Not in a good spot.
Not in a good spot?
No.
No, you think it's worse?
Yeah.
So, uh, like, why would you say that?
Worse than when or why?
I mean, it's just, um...
Uh, I don't know what the root cause of it is.
It's just we're not in a good spot.
It's just, yeah, I mean, you look at events, I mean, even most recently that happened this weekend.
It's like, it just shows for, it's kind of like going to the race for it.
It's just different, different times.
And that's, but, and this is kind of what I'm, is you see that in the media, right?
A lot.
But, you know, being a comedian, having spent a lot of time around black comics or a lot of black people just disproportionately in comedy, and then I've gone to churches that are very mixed, my interactions on a personal level Yeah.
I mean, you have all kinds of stuff.
lifelong relationships, but if you watch the media, you're gonna hear about the race wars and the division.
Do you think there's maybe that?
Are your personal interactions with white people worse than ever?
Yeah.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Like what? What kind of stuff do they do?
I mean, you have all kinds of stuff.
You have the people that think it's acceptable to touch your hair, like you're a dog.
Yeah, the people that, you know, I mean, it's all kinds of different things that just happen.
Yeah.
Where it's just like, okay, yeah, this isn't, that's not acceptable by no shape, form, or fashion, so I don't know why we're doing this.
That seems like a jump, though, from that to race for.
Well, I mean, it's like, I'm trying to think of some other things that have happened.
I've been called names by people.
Yeah.
I've been, like, it's been all kinds of, like, random things.
Yeah.
I've been not welcomed inside of places before.
It's all kinds of, like, it just depends on, like, where you're at.
Are you from Dallas here originally?
Yeah.
What area specifically?
Mansfield.
Oh, okay.
I'm trying to... Mansfield, where is that?
By Fort Worth.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
It's a nice area.
So, what was it like being raised?
How would you classify your neighborhood?
How would you sort of describe it?
I mean, Mansfield's a primarily white area.
Yeah.
Suburban America.
Actually, it was one of the last school districts in the country to desegregate.
Right.
So, I mean, yeah, they had their problems.
I didn't really deal with much there.
Right.
I think I really was exposed to stuff until I was in Development.
Right.
But it was mostly white suburbans, so you'd think you'd be exposed to those people when you... So you're saying when you were young, it was mostly decent?
Yeah.
Interactions?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
What do you think about, you know, bringing that up, this is a white guy's perspective, the segregation coming back in in colleges and black-only spaces, right?
You mentioned it'd be desegregated.
We're moving back toward that.
A hundred different guys, where do you line up on that?
You think that's productive?
What do you mean?
To have black-only spaces either in high schools or colleges, right, to label those things.
Seems to me, as an ignorant white guy, it's kind of like segregating again.
I can see that.
I think it's... everybody needs their safe space to where they can go be their authentic self, where they can, you know, really, like, vibe with other people that are, you know, like them.
I'm not saying, like, it should be like, oh, white-only or black-only locations or slots or stuff, but, like, I mean, If you see black people gather in certain places.
No, I mean those are policies like those are actual policies like at schools now where they'll have black only spaces.
Which doesn't seem like that's really... What school is that?
We had it start with Mizzou right and there have been a few others in I mean it's good we just had the affirmative action ruling you know where they said no okay because Asians were sort of suffering at the hands of Harvard and Brown.
Where do you line up on that?
Do you think that it's Do you think that that's an issue that anyone who would say, you know what, I don't think that categorizing people, accepting them by race, even if you disagree with them, does that make that person a racist who thinks affirmative action is maybe not the best?
So if you don't agree with affirmative action, are you a racist?
Yeah.
I wouldn't say you're a racist, but I mean, you should probably look at history to see like, hey, what, why do we have affirmative action?
And then what's the importance of it?
I mean, whenever you got to realize like people, I've been hired at jobs before, but they told me I'm black.
Right.
That's not acceptable.
So it's like, you know, it's used in... That's a form of action.
Sometimes used in good ways, sometimes used in bad ways.
Moments like that, it's like, okay, cool, I'll rather you look at, like, my qualifications, see, like, hey, what is it that I do?
Right.
And see, like, okay, great, you're the best candidate for this.
Versus, like, okay, cool, you gotta go to black.
Okay.
So, I mean, it really just, it just depends overall.
So it sounds like you're saying that maybe a form of action, not a very, not a great thing if someone's just hiring you because of your race.
I mean, that's all it does.
There is nothing else about it.
It's hiring people based on their race, right?
And honestly, that's gotta be a terrible feeling if you're like, well, I feel like I've accomplished a lot.
I'd rather you look at my accomplishments than just say I'm hiring you because you're black.
That seems racist to me.
Well, I mean, part of the thing is, like, I don't know if white people, like, no offense to you, I don't know if white people understand this, but it's like, black people just get looked over all the time.
Where it's like, it doesn't matter what our accomplishments are, if you look at me on a piece of paper and a white person on a piece of paper, it's gonna be two different experiences.
I've seen it first-hand in corporate America, I've seen it first-hand in universities as well.
So this is one thing that I think maybe we can, can you maybe come to a place about it with white people here?
Let's say I'm a white business owner, okay?
You just voiced displeasure, and I understand, with someone not hiring you, you know, looking at two resumes because they don't necessarily know.
But then you also said that it was kind of crappy that someone hired you because you're black.
What's a white business owner to do?
I mean, here's the thing.
It shouldn't have to be something that's a policy that's there.
It should just be something that you're doing because it's the right thing to do.
It shouldn't be like the thing of, OK, cool, I know I need to increase my diversity numbers because that's normally what it is.
I need to increase my diversity numbers and then from there, then we're going to hire black people.
So it's like, no, that's just the right thing to do.
Marry your customers.
What is the right thing to do to hire based on race or just hire based on qualifications?
The right thing to do is hire diversity.
Have a diverse workforce.
But what if they're not the best person?
Hey, you can find people.
Like they say, if Beyonce can find 14 black trombonists, I'm sure you can find one black person to join your team.
It's not that hard.
But somewhere there's likely a Japanese-American trombonist who got screwed out of a job, was very good at it, just like Harvard and Brown, right?
Who had higher SAT scores.
Which is fine.
I mean, it's one of those things.
Are they racist?
No, I mean, it's one of those things where you know what you want.
So it's like, OK, if you know what you want, then like... But what if you don't want it?
What if you just want the best trombonist?
Then do what you have to do.
Okay, no, I...
So it sounds like we would find common ground and then hire the best person and do what you want
and it shouldn't be policy to force on someone because that doesn't turn someone not racist.
Like a Klansman's not going to hire black people because of affirmative action no matter what,
right? But maybe someone else might hire you just because you're black and that's a crappy feeling
as opposed to your accomplishments.
Yeah.
Okay.
No, I think that makes sense.
We're trying to make sure that we ensure we line up.
And safe spaces we were talking about, that can apply like black, white, gay, straight.
I would assume that that would also be kind of, you know, as far as identity intersect, all that.
Those would be things that you're talking about?
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
No, I appreciate it.
I'm glad we had this conversation, man.
Cool.
Jordan, I know you got to go.
Boy, it's like I'm sweating like a stuck pig here.
No, it's all good.
So, no, I appreciate you taking the time.
All right, cool.
No problem.
Thanks, bro.
Well, there you have it.
We'll continue to test my hypothesis that the narrative the mainstream media is so desperately trying to force down your throats may not be reflective of what you experience in the real world.
And hey, just look at how much can be accomplished by actually talking with people.
Grab your neighbor, pick their brains, ask them the real questions that you might have been afraid to and you might be surprised with the answers.
And please, listen.
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