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The United States is often called the Great Melting Pot, but it's a country that's struggled with race relations throughout its history, and still does today.
Does America have a race problem?
All the evidence says yes.
It's a history of oppression.
because of the raw, ugly racism and ethno-nationalism of our president.
I've been all over the world.
America is one of the most diverse, but yet, um, racist countries there is.
I mean, you just have it in gender over here.
But I don't talk to racists.
Oh, I don't talk to idiots.
Y'all have a great day.
Just proves what the majority of America thinks about y'all.
Systemic racism is real in America.
America is racist, right?
Not really.
America is racist.
I'm not.
I think it's people that are racist, not a system.
You can't generalize people.
What.
What.
Matters.
What.
What.
Matters.
What.
What.
Matters.
What I've said is true.
That's better.
This does it.
Black lives matter.
This does it.
They all do you right.
No, not all.
All of them do you right.
Do not say that!
It's June, which marks Lauda with Crowder's 5th annual Cultural Appropriation Month,
where we take you across the globe to learn about and appreciate all the cultures this world has to offer.
This week, their opera house is pointier than yours.
It's Australia!
Yes!
Clear to be with you, I have not seen that introduction where he punches the kangaroo in the face and I do not approve.
It's rough.
Nor does Bindi.
Hey, Bindi.
It's named after my daughter.
I wait in front of the crock all the time, Bindi.
Like Michael Jackson on a balcony.
So... I can't do that whole show.
It's a lot to hold up.
Please.
We ran out of cultures that weren't wide enough.
We figured Australia, that'll work.
Because to appropriate is to appreciate.
And we have Jocko Willink on the show today.
We do, we have the Jocko Willink on the show.
We have some fast facts here for Australia.
But first, we'll be talking about the Atlanta ruling, of course.
We'll be talking about all the black lives matter.
We'll be talking about not all lives matter, all the black lives matter.
All lives do not matter.
Get it correct.
Yeah, let's be really clear.
Because Rice is in his bed.
Right?
My producer says right!
Don't you, Bindi?
She's my producer, too!
It's really just a photograph from the CA close at the store with a little jiggly crook!
And my half-Asian lawyer Bill Richmond is here.
How are you, sir?
Hello, friends.
That is an actual knife.
Be careful with it.
Didn't have a prop.
No, nope, that's real.
By the way, remind me, according to Black Gary, as a producer, we need to either purchase airsoft replicas or blanks.
Because the guy who worked here before, the guy who had that, he's no longer with us.
Let's make sure that doesn't happen again.
Audio Wade is here.
Gerald A. is here.
What's the wine of the day?
The wine of the day is an Aussie wine, Penfolds Ben 389.
Really?
Do they make good wine?
They do.
Fantastic wine, yes.
Bad costumes, great wine.
It is true what they say.
What is that?
Australia, though a colony entirely founded by rapists and felons, can still make good alcohol.
Yes.
I've heard that before.
Which is what you want with rapists and felons in a colony.
Well, you need it.
Just liquor them up.
Well, yes.
Roll the dice!
Australia facts as we move on.
While famous for kangaroos and koalas, the most common mammal in Australia is the Hemsworth.
Contrary to popular belief, not all Aussies are racist, but all racists are Aussies.
You can do the math on that.
old female ghostbusters. You almost ruined my childhood!
Instead you just ruined Bindi's!
Contrary to popular belief, not all Aussies are racist, but all racists are Aussies. You
can do the math on that. Unlike America, Australian culture is going down the toilet clockwise.
That's physics for you.
Not a myth.
As a matter of fact, Australia was established as a penal colony for rapists, murderers, and venomous spiders.
But that's just... I don't think I'm telling you anything that you don't know.
It always goes back to the spiders.
I guess the question of the day... You've seen the video I uploaded this morning, but I do want to ask you guys, before we move on, I do want your opinion on what happened with Atlanta and Officer Rolf over there.
Going into election, we might actually be doing just Good Morning Mug Club, because a lot of you people have been tuning in watching Good Morning Mug Club, and we'll be doing the streams for all the debates, all the town halls, which are like two or three hours.
So I want to know if you guys think that's a good plan, where we go doing Good Morning Mug Club more often, Monday through Thursday, and instead of doing the Thursday show at night, we can actually prepare to do the live debate fact check streams.
Let us know, because we're surprised at the people who tune in to Good Morning Mug Club.
Does this mean more CNN or less CNN?
Well, it depends.
Please don't make me do more silence.
Steve Irwin, that was a man.
Steve Irwin.
I have never been more impressed with a human being.
I watched one time him jump into open water with a crocodile.
Saltwater crocodile.
Into open water.
It was crazy.
Just like a death roll and they're just spiraling like it's Fantasia.
It's a dam!
In the middle of the water!
That's way more impressive than a swamp!
He's not grounded on anything!
Synchronized swimming.
It's amazing.
I don't love animals enough to do that.
What do you think, Bindi?
Look!
Together!
So, I can drink my water.
He's always in the way.
We'll bring him back for Jocko.
We want Jocko to get the full experience.
You have to.
First, though, before we move on with the show, let's check in with the current state of Western civilization.
I love it!
Yeah.
Now, the good news is advertising executives took note, and now racism is over, so it's a problem of the past.
Oh, yeah.
Accurate.
I'm glad we solved it.
I'm so glad we solved it.
Uncle Ben's is going to be Tekashi69.
We've got to update with the times.
The rice is now multicolored.
Just him dry-humping a minor and featured on YouTube homepage.
Sorry, this is not for kids, because we have to acknowledge it's actually going on in our country right now, and that's it.
I can't imagine at one point—there are cultural differences, of course, that happen.
But these riots, I can't imagine 15 years ago anyone doing that outside of a strip club.
Right, yeah.
You'd be arrested.
Anybody.
It's a woman servicing herself in front of police officers.
It's unreal to me.
And the lady on the bottle, the model, Aunt Jemima, she was born a slave, she became a free woman.
And by the way, if Aunt Jemima was a real person, she probably wouldn't care anyways.
The model could have been a lady who made kick-ass pancakes.
They wouldn't care.
If you could bring her back from the dead, you'd think she'd be like, what?
You took my face off?
Ya boo, sh**!
laughter Bring her back from the dead!
Be like, yeah, you know what?
People wanted to take away the... Wait, wait, wait!
Hold on a second!
Y'all mean that I've been selling, I've been selling, I've been selling that much syrup?
People bought it, so the country must have changed, right?
And y'all, it's like a majority black?
No, it's only like 12%.
You bullsh**!
No!
And we also had a black president.
Oh, okay, so at that point, like, maybe y'all, like, there was a switch, like the South and the North, and then they moved... Like, no, it was actually white people who elected a black president.
And y'all gonna remove my face?
That's my brand?
That is called brand protection, bitch!
You know what the real problem is?
Y'all wanna talk about, nah, I'm a free woman, I'm a free, strong, black woman out here now, and I am making millions of dollars, and white motherfuckers have a problem with that shit?
You know what other problem I have?
I have a problem with that.
That's not even real maple syrup.
You put some corn syrup in that motherfucker and fuck it.
Food coloring!
Just flavors.
I had to get the real s**t!
I had to get Harriet Tubman's train, go to Canada, bring that s**t back!
You know what's that gonna do?
Take my face off the motherf**ker!
That's how you honor her.
Erase the wealthy free black woman.
And feature the twerk.
In other social justice news, uh, the card game.
Sorry about all the censor buttons for the first half of the show.
That's a rough transition there.
Fingers getting tired.
And watch, people will try and get me in trouble that that's racist for doing a voice.
Now it's black voice.
You can't do black voice.
Well, post-mortem black voice you can, yes, if they're not alive anymore.
I don't know if that works.
Subsection of the sword, Adam?
I don't think that that's a cultural thing with Australia.
You'd have to do it accurately, which I think... I don't know, do they scalp?
Hey, traditions have to start somewhere.
Gerald?
You're up, Gerald!
By the way, also we'll be talking about chokeholds with Jocko Willink, and I will be choking Audio Wade.
We're going to show you what a chokehold actually is.
Spoiler alert!
I'm a big fan!
Me too.
Wait, wait, hold on, hold on a minute.
You're saying the police are, y'all don't want to have guns, y'all don't want cops, y'all don't want to have cases, and they can't choke a motherf***er?
How they gonna do that job?
You know, you know, how?
What, you gonna use the corn syrup, put it down there?
What the f***?
White people are crazy.
I like Aunt Jemima.
She's great.
F*** you.
That's right.
Oh, she's sassy.
She would say that.
Here are your pancakes.
Load it, load it.
Jesus save me, I'm serving me my f***ing pancake.
Gonna take my face off this pancake.
I don't know why I'm making me my f***ing pancake.
God.
Imagine that.
Imagine Aunt Jemima brings her pancakes and wonderful syrup and you go, send it back.
I know I didn't hear you old white ass say send that s*** back.
It used to be called appreciating southern food.
Now it's racist if you don't like tacos and it's racist if you do like tacos.
I'm taco neutral.
Taco Bell.
Canceled.
Don't talk about it.
In other social justice news, the card game Magic the Gathering, we didn't even get to a single story yet.
There's just Aunt Jemima.
We'll get there.
Magic the Gathering has now removed racist cards from the game.
One of the cards, this was a story we had from Forbes, one such racist card was called the Invoke Prejudice card.
Also removed the Pradesh Gypsies card and the Lose 10 Points for Using Your Right Turn Blinker When Merging Left card.
So that was one that seems pretty cut and dry.
Can't believe it lasted that long.
I don't know, but in other news, liberals somehow found a way to make Magic the Gathering less fun.
Ah, you didn't think it could happen, but yes.
They did it.
Found a way.
Art just reflects reality.
That's profound.
You can say it, I can't.
Yep, that's right.
2020, y'all motherfuckin' Asians, call us!
I wouldn't even give a horse and a bucket number.
So by the way, Adir also speaking, because everything has been Black Lives Matter and
obviously Atlanta, and unfortunately right now because the racial division in the country
really I think brings us together.
It does, it seems.
Adir ran into a Black Lives Matter protest in New Jersey and seriously injured a woman,
and this was a story everywhere.
Wow.
Now, obviously that's a tragic story.
I believe that she's expected to make a full recovery.
Some people have suspected this might be a retaliation for a recent viral Worldstar video.
Oh, damn!
Oh, damn!
Oh, s***!
Oh!
Boom!
You got f***ed up!
You got f***ed up!
Worldstar!
Oh, s***!
I like that it's one guy in the woods.
How many people can you fit in the woods?
Otherwise you'll scare them off!
That's true.
Hey, he has a pretty steady hand.
I appreciate the cinematography.
Really, he's a documentarian.
Wait, was that Michael Barnes?
No, it's the same guy who did Grizzly Man.
Grizzly Man.
It's funny, when we wrote that bit, we had to watch the original Bambi scene.
We were in the writer's room, and you could hear a pin drop, because we all just got really sad.
We're like, oh my god, this is a kid's film?
You never see it, though.
That's a rough movie.
Yeah, it is a rough film.
Finally, by the way, before we move on to some of the more serious news in Jocko Willink, wages for Chinese trolls have dropped by 60%.
The standard pay was $0.50 before, and now it's been cut to as little as $0.20, so this news obviously is being monitored closely and has caused serious concern for Taiwanese orcs, so they're not happy about it.
That explains my recent paycheck.
Darn.
This is an episode for the books.
As long as it stays on.
I look forward to the conversation with the powers that be at Alphabet.
It's okay.
We haven't quite crossed the line of Tekashi69.
We haven't.
No, we haven't choked out a fan in Houston and beat our girlfriend without mercy, but then again we haven't been featured on Trending, so.
Yeah.
You know.
Tomato, sex offender.
Uh, so, the man arrested, uh, by the way, for, let's, have you guys seen this, this, this was a clip that did go viral while we're talking about all the stuff that's been going on.
This man, uh, not trigger, I hate the now re-appropriated trigger, trigger warning means like a trigger warning, you might have PTSD because someone put male or female on your, your test.
No, this is an actual warning for people who might be underage, like, who might be watching.
Though, in retrospect, that should have been before the lady was masturbating in front of her law enforcement officers.
Well, you know, better late than never.
I was focusing on getting in character.
Yeah.
So, um, if you haven't seen this, this is a video that actually took place in New York City of a man knocking out a, uh, elderly, very old woman.
Yeah.
Here, let's watch this.
Yep.
Now, why is this important?
Because it does provide some context here as we get into the cop charged with murder.
That guy who you saw there?
He is a registered sex offender who's been arrested more than 100 times.
Wow.
That's gotta be a record.
I don't think it's a record.
How do you get arrested 100 times and not be in jail?
I don't know.
Maybe he's from Australia.
That is what they do.
He just said no?
I don't want to go to jail.
I have no idea.
You see that?
So let's say you're there on the street, and let's say that's your grandma, right?
And people die all the time from getting hit in the head.
That's why I support some kind of actual physical submission, whether it's a neck restraint or something that doesn't involve striking somebody forcefully.
Let's say that's your grandmother.
She's going to recover, but she hit her head in the fire hydrant.
It's your grandmother.
You go, whoa, hey, what's going on?
And the guy starts coming at you, or the guy starts running away, off to another old lady.
Yeah.
And you try and stop him.
But you can't!
You can't use a firearm to defend your grandmother.
You can't use a firearm to stop him.
Pierce's like, well, okay, hope for the best.
Maybe he'll run off into, oh, and it's an apartment complex.
Yeah.
Aww.
There are a lot of old ladies there.
Well, no way, it's an old, good news is they're almost all gone from COVID, so little damage he can do.
There you go.
I don't know why this offends me so much, too.
I know that there are other crimes that should offend me more.
Really?
You don't know why it offends you so much?
An old lady was knocked out.
I think I can guess.
If you'd let me finish there.
This is a hill to die on.
Like murderers, right?
Like, they offend me too, but for some reason when people pick on... They offend you?
They offend me as well.
Your instinct to stop him originally, Steven?
Was correct, yes.
Murderer!
You defend me.
But for some reason, when people pick on elderly and defenseless people, like, it offends me more than I think it should.
Like, it's bad, it's horrible, obviously, but it's like, I just want to beat the crap out of them.
Yeah, that's what he says.
I really do, yeah.
He deserves to have his head punched by someone who can do it.
Repeatedly.
Maybe a hundred.
For each arrest.
It's like a birthday thing.
And a pinch to grow an inch.
And a nine millimeter.
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
Ummmm.
Joking.
Joking.
It is just a joke.
And me saying murder offense to you was bad?
Yeah, worse.
So the cop, Garrett Rolfe from Atlanta, and I did a video on this this morning, I had to get it out of my system, was charged with felony murder.
Felony murder, we went through this before, obviously you saw the clip where the man resisted arrest, beat the hell out of two cops, stole the taser, pointed it at them.
Here's the thing, is felony murder, can you explain felony murder to people who don't know Bill and don't get too legal easy?
Sure, there's murder where you're trying to... Sure, you want the stupid explanation?
I'll go.
Let me just come on down here.
Murders, you obviously cause someone to die, and you've either intended that or there's different levels of, you know, the intent or whether you knew it was going to happen.
Sure.
And a felony murder is just someone died while you were committing a felony.
So like an armed robbery, you're robbing a bank, and maybe you went in and didn't mean to shoot, but then someone dies, that would be a felony murder.
Sure, even if they died of a heart attack.
Right.
Because they are during the commission of the felony.
So here, you know, there's a number of charges.
They haven't released all of the documents.
They haven't given all of the information yet.
Even the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has said, whoa, whoa, whoa, we haven't even finished our investigation.
But they went ahead and said 11 charges, one of which is felony murder.
Felony murder.
So that means that the officer was committing a felony before he shot the man who stole his gun and supposedly aimed it at him, right?
Right.
What in the world could that felony Possibly.
Mr. Brooks, on the night of this incident, was calm.
also walking version of the guy who used to broom between the segments in Rocky and Bullwinkle.
You'll see what I mean. He looks like a human version of that, the DA statement on the felony
murder.
Mr. Brooks on the night of this incident was calm.
Tell that guy who would brush the broom and go, blah, blah, blah.
Wow.
Somebody didn't watch the video.
in charge of the nation. When an officer is pursuing a feeling suspect that the officer
may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless the officer has probable cause to believe
that the suspect poses an immediate threat of death or of serious physical injury to
that officer. The city of Atlanta SOPs in fact prohibit officers from firing tasers
at someone who is running away. So the city of Atlanta says you cannot even fire a taser
at someone who is running away so you certainly can't fire a gun, a handgun, at someone who
is running away.
So he said that the officers were under no fear of not only death.
But fear of immediate serious bodily injury.
None whatsoever.
That's what he said if you go and watch the full clip.
Also a real matte finish.
That guy wears a lot of powder.
He's got a lot of powder.
Like not even just a glisten under those lights.
Maybe he's just really comfortable lying.
Because here is him two weeks ago.
The same DA.
What's he saying about tasers?
charged with aggravated assault of Miss Pilgrim and this is for appointing a taser at Mrs.
Pilgrim and he was looking as many of you all know on the Georgia law a taser is considered as a deadly weapon
Oh So the taser was actually aimed and fired at the officer no,
so let me get this straight it's it's It's a deadly, it's only a deadly weapon if, well it's not, it is if a cop uses it but it's not if it's aimed at a cop, particularly if it's stolen.
Is there a property rights argument there?
Well, no.
I mean, here, this is one of those fundamental issues.
When you're making an argument, considering what are the other positions you've taken, and in this particular instance, there's no question that the allegations of even people that are within the political party represented the other folks who are the candidates against him, other folks who are in that department saying, Wait a minute, you literally have just said this, and not just said it once, right?
Maybe he was going to go, oh, two weeks ago I was wrong when I said it three times at the same time.
Nobody will remember that.
No one will remember.
It's like, there's the internet, sir.
Say what?
Say huh?
It's his position that that's the law, and he's said it multiple, multiple, multiple times.
I know, I know!
It's just you can't write this!
You can't write this, largely because I don't have the skill!
And by the way, if a taser is not at least a weapon, not only a deadly weapon, first off, it's not a deadly weapon.
I don't think that women should use it to protect themselves from rape.
Because the only thing that maybe stops a rape is something that's at least semi-deadly.
Like, I like my rape defenses for my wife at least, like, a little, at least moderately deadly.
Not like, ah, that's an itch.
And if it's not even, even can cause serious bodily injury incapacitation, why give it to police officers at all?
And by the way, this is something people, he stole after, and one of the officers has a concussion by the way, the guy who was spiked on his head, concussion, stole it, then aimed at the cop.
This is one thing, the media was watching CNN today, they still keep saying unarmed.
He wasn't unarmed.
No.
He had the cop's taser, and he wasn't shot when he was running away.
He was running away, only shot when he turned and aimed the gun.
And fired it.
And fired it, by the way.
You see the flash in the video.
And was obviously very close that he thought he could, you know, take some shooting lessons, asshole.
But he was close enough that he thought he could hit the officer, and what do you think happens if this weapon, which is designed to incapacitate, goes into it, and then he has access to, oh, congratulations, a utility belt of deadly weapons.
Yeah.
This is, this is, and I said this this morning, I'm sorry, you cannot at this point be neutral.
Neutral is, people have said silence is racist.
No, at this point, when people say you can save one life, like, oh, if we could save one George Floyd, you can save one life right now!
There's a man there who even if he didn't think did his job to the best of his abilities, I don't think that he should, I don't even think that he should be suspended with pay.
That's just my opinion.
Doesn't matter what you think, the charges have him facing death row unless somebody else steps in.
So when people, if you could save one life right now, everyone can make their voices heard, you can save one life.
The life of the officer who protected his buddy who had his weapon stolen, concussed, and aimed at him.
You want to save a life?
Let's get rid of the racial thing.
Save one life right now.
It would have been nice if we could have known beforehand this would happen to someone like a David Dorn, right, who we lost and we never get back, an actual hero.
If it saves one life, it's very rare that we have the opportunity, we have that long of a fuse to save a life.
We can do it right now.
Not only can we save his life, we can save countless other officers' lives saying, look, if your life is in danger, you can defend it.
I don't want you to hesitate because you could die.
That's what you do every single day.
This will cause other officers to either leave the job or get shot in a situation where maybe they could have defended themselves.
We're going to think twice about it now.
Yeah.
I had videos that I wanted to show.
I don't know if officers being... No, no, no, don't laugh because I was going to say officers are being shot roadside from sobriety tests.
Several officers shot multiple times after people being tased.
You can search it right now and find them.
There are more than you could watch in the span of this show.
Happens all the time.
Do you know that an officer is actually 18 times more likely to be shot by a black criminal during apprehension than to shoot an unarmed black man?
Since you're using the racial crime statistics, it does matter.
It really does matter.
When we're talking about genocide, going out and hunting people, this is what I've heard.
They've said it on the N-Turks, they've said it on CNN.
They're hunting people and black people in broad daylight.
Really?
But there's an 18 to 1 ratio of officers being killed.
And you want them defenseless.
By the way, the DA's being investigated for funneling $140,000 to supplement his salary, facing all these allegations of sexual harassment.
And he has a pretty tough primary challenge, I think a runoff, right?
Yeah, it's actually moved on to a runoff.
Bill, so like, this charge doesn't seem to make any sense to anybody that's outside looking in, right?
He rushed it before the investigation was over, and it doesn't seem like it's felony murder no matter how you slice it.
How in the world could he justify a charge like that?
Do you see anything?
Well, universally being reviled for having moved too quickly and even to set a standard
where if you're going to make a charge now and the charge isn't going to work out, you're
either going to end up with someone who there was no, you know, whether you believe there's
justice or not, you're not going to get, you're not going to have any version of justice when
you overcharge someone and you rush to judgment.
And so that's the question is being raised right now is, was this politically motivated
to come out ahead of time, do it before all the facts were known, before the investigating
body was done to use very aggressively.
Even the New York Times today, they're legal experts.
We're talking about, wait a minute, this is way faster than it should have ever been considered in this moment.
And look, I understand that there's a lot happening in the city, but essentially what you're saying is, well, sometimes we're going to rush and just rush to misjudgment because people are screaming.
Yeah, exactly.
And do we think it's by design at this point?
Because what do you think the likelihoods are of either the charges getting dismissed or him being found not guilty, if you had to bet?
I think they're pretty high.
Yeah, of felony murder.
And so what do you think is going to happen?
Right.
Well, on the charge of felony murder, not guilty, no justice, no peace!
Right, exactly.
And I think he's definitely doing it for this runoff.
He didn't win the election.
He was down by 10 or 12 points to somebody in his own party that he's running against.
So it's a big stunt.
Exactly.
And he is painting this person as somebody who's more of a Republican.
The police already don't like this guy, the DA currently, because he arrested officers in a questionable case before.
So now he's just going all in.
He's like, well, the Black Lives Matter movement right now is in our city.
I'm going all in.
I'm a man of the people.
Vote for me and I will take care of bad police officers.
That's what he's doing right now.
And we have the Change My Minds coming up actually next week, specifically on America Isn't Racist, and we actually had some great conversations.
Surprisingly, a lot of black people who sat down, and black liberals who didn't agree with me, but we actually sat down and found some common ground.
We disagreed on the whole idea of some of the protests and the kneeling, but also I was enlightened.
There were some new things that I learned about the black community, and they learned some things about the white community, namely that we're not good dancers.
And that you have a large ass.
No one learned that this week.
I'm gonna be honest.
I just started doing the father-in-law wedding dance.
There's no assumption necessary.
There's significant empirical data.
What does a cop do?
Well, we don't want the cops to have guns, okay?
Well, we can't use chokeholds, okay?
Which, by the way, they reversed in France.
France!
Because they were saying it was too deadly for officers because they couldn't use chokeholds.
So no guns, no chokeholds.
What do you think they want to do with tasers now?
At the very least, we don't know.
Is it a deadly weapon?
Is it not?
So officers are going to be scared.
And I talked about this this morning.
I would love to start just a GoFundMe for all these officers who are walking so they can have some place to go to.
I can't do it, but what we will do is create some merch, I think, either with David Dorn or something, and all proceeds from the merch will go You can't say, not all black people, which is correct, and then say but all cops.
be there soon. And of course, thin blue line from Black Rifle Coffee is there. They've
had it for a long time that goes supporting law enforcement officials. So and that's not
a commercial. I'll talk about it later. But that is if you want to support police officers,
because listen, you can't say not all black people, which is correct. And then say, but
all cops. Yeah, you just can't do that because there are a lot of great police officers out
there. And I don't know. And I'm a fan of the chokeholds of the neck restraint, because
I'd rather someone go unconscious and be cuffed without any kind of permanent damage than
and someone have to go to a gun or a taser.
And let me make my case here.
What do you guys think of chokeholds?
Especially people who've never actually had one applied to them or used it at all.
Because we're going to actually do it.
I don't think Wade's ever had a neck restraint.
Oh, this is good.
I won't lie, neck restraint sounds more harmless.
It does.
It makes it sound kind of nice.
Here's what I'll say.
It's more uncomfortable than a neck restraint, but less unpleasant than you would assume a chokehold would be.
But you might poop.
You know, there could be feces.
It's okay.
Drink less coffee.
Like Steven Seagal and his under siege, Eugene LaBelle.
He tried to punch me in the little sisters and I choked him and I guess he didn't go to the bathroom because then he went, I never go to the bathroom.
Bad things happen.
What concerns me is folks not thinking about what is the logical conclusion of all this.
If we're at a place where there's an attack, there's an officer, officers are hurt, a taser's taken, a taser's pointed, and at any of those moments, essentially what you said by having the felony murder charge and saying that one of those acts was a felony, is you're saying you shouldn't have done any of those acts.
And what that means is, okay, fine, just say, in that moment, we just let this guy go.
But you have to create a rule that applies to all interactions with officers.
So in a moment when an officer has a suspected DOI, someone who chose to be in their vehicle, right, and was operating their vehicle in a dangerous way, in a way that we all as a nation agree is wrong, drunk driving.
He didn't, by the way, the media report is, oh, he pulled into, like, he pulled into the expectant mother's spot.
No, no, no.
He was just Homer Simpson at the nuclear switch.
And so then the only answer that cops are given then is...
Let everyone go.
Let everyone go.
And say, nope, go free into the community, hopefully we'll find you.
I wish I knew this as a skater kid, right?
When cops would show up and be like, hey, stay right there.
No!
And just skate off.
Yeah.
We actually respected police.
Yeah, absolutely.
We were just like, oh, wait, hold on a second.
What is a cop going to do?
Oh, yes, sorry, we're sorry, officer.
Yeah, we'll take the wax off that railing.
Yeah.
But instead now it's like, no!
Drat.
And I don't know if you saw in that video, before he got all crazy, he was apparently calm and everything was fine.
The cops tried to do something.
They tried to put cuffs on him and arrest him, which is their job.
One of their officers had him in a bit of a chokehold.
They had him around the neck a couple of times and it looked like he loosened it and tried to move it to the side.
It wasn't a chokehold.
No, it was not a chokehold at all.
I thought he was trying to maintain control by using it, and then maybe had the thought, like, I can't use that anymore.
Yeah, you can't control someone with a chokehold, actually.
If you control someone, you need to control the torso, the head, the hips, and a chokehold is to actually have someone pass out.
You know, let's go on to the chokehold thing.
I've been so upset about this, I have a pit in my stomach, because this man is facing death.
Doesn't matter what charges you think.
I'm more upset with, by the way, the Christian conservative right.
Because, well, you know what, we'll just pray from afar.
No!
There's a man who could be put to death.
Neutrality is not an option.
That's not an option right now. Okay people, and you see this in all this Los Angeles and California
and New York and like, well you know what, Jesus is just love. Jesus flipped over some tables.
And if you want to save a life, you can speak out and help save a life right now. Because by all
accounts, we have a good change tomorrow, a good man could be put to death to appease a mob of evil
people if good men don't step in.
And you know what?
If you don't step in now when the wolves are at the door, expect us to love you and pray for you from afar, but we're gonna go lock, lock, lock, lock, bolt.
Stand up and grow a pair.
By the way, that includes Donald Trump.
That includes all the Republican bootlickers at this point right now.
There were riots before we elected you, and there are riots worse now.
Do something.
Because I don't know that you deserve anyone's votes at this point.
Okay?
Let's go into the executive order on chokeholds, which of course no one in this administration actually know what they are, and we'll talk with Jock Long about it, but here's what he says.
As part of this new credentialing process, choke calls will be banned except if an officer's life is at risk.
How do you determine that?
And I will say we've dealt with all of the various departments and everybody said, it's time.
We have to do it.
So then in this scenario, in Atlanta, the officers couldn't have used a choke hold because they weren't even under threat of bodily injury, according to the DA.
That's the craziest part about it is you have to ignore all of the physical attack and they call it tussling, right?
It's tussling.
Those boys got into a hootenanny.
You have to ignore the reality of the situation and the facts that are shown on video to say that there wasn't a threat of physical violence in that moment.
Yeah.
And police officers need better physical training.
We'll talk about how to do that with Jocko Willink.
Let me be really clear.
A chokehold.
People get this wrong.
Like, oh my gosh, a chokehold is like drowning.
And I'm going to display it later on Wade here in a couple of minutes.
It's not at all.
And you can understand that really quickly just by seeing how quickly a chokehold or a neck restraint.
It's a vascular neck restraint.
People use the term choke.
It's a blood choke.
It's not a windpipe choke, what we're talking about here.
There are windpipe chokes, but what we're talking about is a vascular neck restraint.
Drowning takes a while, because there's no oxygen.
You can't breathe in any oxygen, right?
Right.
But chokeholds, vascular neck restraints, can actually work within seconds.
Here's an example of Joe Rogan from, I don't know, maybe 12 years ago, applying a chokehold, so you can see how quickly someone goes out.
Yeah, you can trust me.
Are we ready?
Ready?
Keep going.
You ready?
He's out!
He's out!
Is he out?
You alright, man?
Wake up, dude.
You alright?
And he's out!
Two seconds to put him out.
Put cuffs on him.
Yeah, totally fine.
Your head's red!
Hello? You okay?
Do it again.
No!
What happened?
He went out pretty quick.
Alright, there we go.
No, it doesn't take long.
It's not like drowning.
Let me be really clear.
Chocolate is one that's not applied to the windpipe.
One that's applied properly.
It impedes arterial blood flow.
Let me explain it to you in a simple way.
The brain recognizes that the blood flow is compromised.
It sends a message going...
Oh, wait a second.
And the heart starts slowing down its pulse.
It starts slowing down the blood needed.
Effectively, a chokehold is one of the very few kinds of techniques that you can use, whereas a pain hold, a submission, sometimes the damage is already being done.
When someone feels it, if they're on PCP, they have no idea.
A chokehold, a vascular neck restraint, effectively puts your body into standby mode so that it prevents damage.
So that you don't drown.
For someone of decent health, and by the way, that's the same reason you can't use tranquilizer guns, because we don't know what drugs are in these people.
There's no 100% safe way.
But for someone who doesn't have a serious condition, and even with people who have more serious conditions, a vascular neck restraint is undoubtedly more safe than a punch, a strike, a baton, a taser if they have a pacemaker, a tranquilizer.
Your body goes, wait a second, I'm not gonna get blood.
I don't want actual drowning to happen where there's brain damage, so let's shut everything down
so that there's as little blood flow and as little oxygen in the blood necessary
so that I can actually sustain this.
That's the wonder of the vascular neck restraint is you can be put out, never hurt, no damage.
I don't think you can think of it, people don't just get hit and your body doesn't go like,
oh my gosh, I'm going to take a nap to protect, you already have concussive brain damage.
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Oh, I know.
I know.
And I know that they're trained athletes, but I put this on Twitter, and I think we'll have Jocko Willink, we've had Chael Sloan, we've had Daniel Cormier.
People who compete in striking sports like boxing, kickboxing, are far more likely to sustain serious permanent injury or death, right?
You've heard about concussive syndrome.
Yeah, just look at Muhammad Ali.
And we have, I think, a source here from Academic, yeah.
And then we have another source from PubMed where grappling sports chokeholds are actually much safer.
Let me get this straight.
Studies show that proper choke hold taught to police rarely ever fatal, rarely even serious injuries.
As a matter of fact, according to the Police Brutality Database run by Fatal Encounters, a pro-police reform organization, less than 1% of people die from any form of asphyxiation while under any type of restraint during police encounters.
Three and a half times!
More people are killed by tasers.
Oh, so tasers are a deadly weapon.
Tasers are significantly more dangerous than chokeholds.
And I understand, listen, but these are unpleasant scenarios.
What you have to do is pick an option that keeps people as safe as possible, both the perp and the police officer.
And there is, right now, an actual technique available that can be used to render someone entirely incapacitated without electrocuting their heart or rattling their brain around in their skull.
It's a gift!
And we give it to you, the people!
It is unreal to me.
Let me ask you this.
How many careers have you seen ended in boxing or in mixed martial arts from a strike?
In boxing it used to be, I don't know if they cleaned it up, it was like four deaths a year.
The only death I think we've seen in a sanctioned MMA bout is weight cutting.
But many careers have been ended from strikes, repetitive strikes, people have broken their shins.
Name me one person who suffered permanent damage in any professional fighting sport.
Sanctioned fighting sport from a chokehold.
It's never happened.
Yeah.
Now people say, well, it's because you tap.
No!
You can find videos longer than you can watch.
More footage you can watch in a lifetime of people going unconscious in the octagon.
Yeah.
Now they say, well, referee steps in.
Sure.
That's the point of police training.
Exactly.
You don't hold a choke for a minute.
If you hold it, they go out, cuff them, you're done.
So, here, and we're starting at the wrong place.
When you talk about safety, you start with the officer's safety first and work from there.
Obviously, you don't want anybody killed or damaged if they don't need to be if they're a perp, but the officer's safety is paramount first.
They're the one going after the criminal.
Yeah.
Do we forget that?
Their primary purpose, of course, is to serve and protect us.
And so a guy driving, completely drunk off his ass or high as a kite, who's running out into civilization and can do any number of untold damage afterward, yes, the cops need to subdue that person.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So restrain that person.
But they have no way to do it now.
We've taken away all... I mean, what do we give them?
A billy club and say just, you know, hit him in the balls, I guess?
I don't know.
Good lord.
What else are you going to hit?
That's a good idea, Sonny!
Yeah, see?
That's him on his walk and his beat.
Hey, Sonny, are you out of school?
Are you using them testes?
Not yet.
Hope you weren't planning on children, see?
Get back to class, you little riffraff.
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We had to set up.
Who are you wearing?
I'm Wolverine.
We need a better budget for costume.
It's time to try a choke hold on Wade.
All right, it's gonna be a fun. No, it's just we're gonna show what it is. So first let me show you something
that's really, uh, someone does, we'll talk about this with Jaco in a minute.
Remember they were stopping to grab the guy's taser?
Okay, so let me show you before we go to a chokehold.
Right here there's a taser.
You can apply a joint lock, but I want to show you what a joint lock is so you can see how unpleasant this is, for example.
So let's say I'm coming in here, I grab that wrist, and I pin Wade.
This is what we know as a Camur.
It's a shoulder lock.
Wade, what you're going to do is you're going to tap when you start feeling some pain, okay?
Okay, so there you go.
So, and I'm not in proper position right now because we have a desk behind us, but that's unpleasant, that hurts.
Okay, so now, sit back up.
I had to take my boots off.
No, no, put your seat up there.
So, everyone's gonna say this is gay, but anyone who's ever actually applied to Choke knows what this is.
I took off my shoes because I didn't want to hit him in the balls.
So, typically what happens is a rear naked choke.
You see this a lot in MMA.
I'm trying to control his body here.
So this is a good establishing of control.
So right, let's say you try and squirm out.
The whole reason I'm just controlling your body here.
And you have some options, but here, see I'm riding you like a backpack.
There's an over-under grip.
Now, what I want to do, and let me just show really quickly.
I don't want to choke you on the windpipe, okay?
So if you're uncomfortable, obviously just tap.
We'll let it go.
But I want you to Let me know if you can breathe.
Okay?
Because a lot of people think it's like drowning.
What really happens is I'm getting his carotid arteries right here.
I'm going to be shutting down blood flow.
Okay?
And there are a multitude of ways to do it.
I can actually do it here with his collar.
This is called a bow and arrow choke.
So see, look at this.
You can even see my forearm is not on his throat, right?
You can see that it's not, but I can cut off the blood circulation that way.
There are a million different ways, but the most common is what's called the rear naked choke.
So what I'm going to do is grab weight here.
Okay?
Put this under his chin.
I don't want to get a zipper on you.
It's better than a taser to the heart.
That's true.
Or the balls.
But you electrify my heart.
Wade, don't worry.
The segment is called Let's Kill Wade.
So what I'm going to do here is put him in a choke hold and if any of you have questions you can ask.
I'm going to grab my own bicep, my own shoulder.
The idea here Is to close the space around his neck as much as I can.
So a lot of people get this wrong if they're not trained properly.
What they'll do is they'll grab this and they'll jerk it.
Right?
I had one trainer who called this for some reason.
I don't know why.
The Captain America and the Wolverine.
I don't know why.
So let me show you kind of really quickly if you can come here and show.
Let's say this is Wade's head right here.
Let's say this is Wade's head.
The goal is to close the space.
This is his throat.
My elbow is ideally right where his throat is.
So that's the least amount of pressure being applied is right on his trachea, if I'm doing it correctly.
But I wanna squeeze the sides of his neck.
So here's all the space for Wade's head right now.
Close it, okay?
There's a little less space, right?
Close that.
Now what I do is put this on my shoulder.
Little less space.
Imagine his head right here on my chest.
Bring this around.
There's a little less space.
Something else I do.
There's a little less space.
Then I squeeze everything together.
I don't yank.
That's how you miss a choke.
That's why you see some guys who can be choked for a long time and they don't go out.
What I want to do here is get my head on this side and close that space.
Look at that space right there.
How much space is there for Wade's head?
Not a whole lot.
Wade's thrilled.
I'm assuming it'll actually be applied more quickly.
Yeah.
So Wade, what I want to do is start applying it and I'm going to apply it.
So my goal is not to make you go unconscious, but if it doesn't hurt, You know, you don't have to tap because it's not going to be painful if you do go out.
Sure.
I just want to get rid of the zipper here.
Now, what I am going to do is, do me a favor since, just, let's point your throat so it's right in the nook of my elbow.
So, turn to the right?
There you go.
Yeah, right there.
Okay.
Just for right now.
Now, what I'm going to do is slowly apply some pressure and I want you to tell me if you can breathe.
Okay?
Okay.
Now, can you breathe?
Yep.
Okay, now can you breathe?
A little bit less, yeah.
Now what I'm going to do is I'm going to apply the pressure to the point that you could go unconscious, and you can tap, but I want you to tell me if it's because you can't breathe, okay?
Tap his foot if you need to go up.
Is he out?
Alright, he's out.
Whoa!
You okay?
He's back in.
Good?
I'm right here.
You want to raise his feet up?
Just raise his feet up.
This is what we do.
You good?
Blood flow back.
Do you know that you went unconscious?
Uh, makes sense.
Are you good?
Yeah, I'm fine.
Could you breathe?
It wasn't waterboarding at all, no.
Did you feel like you were drowning?
No.
Did it hurt your neck?
No.
I didn't know if you could.
Thank God for the audience there.
I felt it, and see, right away I kind of felt, okay, he's going out, and that happened, he came out, and by the way, that's not a seizure or anything, that's literally his body going, oh, power up from standby mode.
You good?
Nice for being a champ about it.
Nice!
See?
Didn't even, by the way, he would not have been able to do that if I crushed his windpipe.
Sure.
You drown, there's no way, you're like, oh, that's okay, I can't breathe.
And all of us have had this done to us who've done Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, so go find your local instructor.
Speaking of which, I think we're going to have to go to Jaco, and I'm going to buy this man a beer.
I'm not going to do it.
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He thinks he's very territorial, he always thinks I'm invading his territory, and he is one hell of an energy drink.
I haven't had it because I hate pina coladas!
No, I have had it actually, our next guest, and he just asked me about the energy drinks, and I will say this.
I always try to be straightforward, like with Black Rifle Coffee, I don't like the black beer because I don't like dark roasts.
This is my favorite coffee.
I was only given a pina colada tasting energy drink, which I think anything with coconut and pineapple tastes like suntan lotion.
I mean, I don't want to taste it.
To me, anything that has that flavor, it tastes like they cleaned up the bar at Sandals and put it in a cup.
So, that being said, that's just personal, but I have heard that all the flavors are great, and people here who love that flavor know that it's the best.
So, I'm looking forward to getting other flavors.
Of course, you know him, you love him.
He was on Joe Rogan's show recently, so a lot of people have been asking for him.
You can follow him more at jacopodcast.com.
He has his own show.
Mr. Jaco Willink, how are you, sir?
What's happening?
Well, I just kind of filled you in on that, but I can rehash it if you like.
You're going to send non-pina colada flavored energy.
Yes, I'll send you the I'll send you the Psycho Citrus, it's kind of like a lemon-lime deal, or the DAC Savage, which is like a, what is it, cherry-vanilla, dark black cherry-vanilla?
Oh, I like cherry!
Yeah!
What's your favorite, the tropical?
No, my favorite is actually Citrus Psycho, it's like a lemon-lime scenario.
Do you find it difficult sometimes to have to keep track, like through your sort of Rolodex, of what the flavor actually is versus what the Jaco brand has to title it?
You know what?
Look, it'd be really cool if I could have called the piña colada one just piña colada, because that's what it tastes like.
But the bottom line is, I couldn't call it piña colada.
That's like a girl's drink in a tropical place, right?
Not happening here!
Right, well, way to cut out 50% of your market share.
Women need not drink charcoal energy.
Paris, something to do with fertility?
I don't know.
So, Jaco, listen, it's no secret, obviously, that you were a Navy SEAL and you've trained with a lot of some of the most high-level operatives in the world, and you've been talking about police recently.
And this is a hot topic right now, obviously, with police brutality versus training versus solutions.
Some people are calling for defunding the police.
The very first thing I said when this story came out, I think, where everyone agreed with George Floyd and Chauvin that it was I said we need better training first off.
We can get to the unions in a little bit, but we need better training because a lot of these officers, they have to go to their tool belt, right?
They get very little time in unarmed hand-to-hand combat training, and so it's hard to de-escalate if you have to go to a tool that escalates it.
And of course, you've worked with these people more closely.
Give us some insight here as to what you think some of the solutions may be, and what kind of training a police officer gets right now when they go out there into the field.
So right now, they get a sustainment training for what they call defensive tactics or combatives and what those two things combine together.
What they mean is how do you arrest somebody?
How do you put hands on someone?
It includes some of their weapons retention skills.
So it's a huge amount of knowledge that a person should have.
And they get about two to four hours on average a year.
A year.
And they're supposed to be proficient in this stuff.
It's not even remotely close to the amount of training that they need.
My suggestion that I'm trying to tell people all over the place is I think police officers should spend one-fifth of their time training.
One-fifth of their time training.
So, you know, eight hours a week out of a 40-hour week, one day a week, maybe two hours a day, however you want to skin it, but you need to do this training all the time.
You know, we used to spend 18 months in training preparing to go on deployment.
And then we go into deployment for six months.
And then we come back, we would train again.
Police officers, they get this little tiny fraction of training.
So that's what they need to start doing.
And hopefully, if they do that, people become more comfortable.
The more confident you are, the more comfortable you are handling people, the more capable you are of handling people, the more varying degrees you can use to apply force and get people under control.
Because if you don't have the capability of getting someone under control with your hands, well, then you're using weapons.
Right.
And if you fail with your first weapon, you're going to your second weapon, and usually for police officers, their second weapon is a pistol, and someone's getting killed.
Right.
So it's not a good situation right now, and it's certainly something we need to focus on as a country.
Well, you touched on a couple things there.
I think you're right.
No one is denying that this is an intense job, but we're not treating it the same as other intense jobs.
Like you just mentioned, if you're on a tour of duty, Or, for example, take any sport.
You can take, obviously, strongmen.
They might compete a few times a year.
Hockey players have a season.
Basketball players have a season.
And then police officers, they don't have a season of training.
With a short burst of performance, they have performance, performance, performance, with very little upkeep in training.
And maybe that's an important component to this, is shifting that mindset.
People are saying shifting the mindset to de-escalation, shifting the mindset to social workers instead of police.
But we first maybe need to shift the mindset to understanding how intense this can be, and what the capabilities are, like you're saying, for output.
Do you think it may be somewhere between what we have and what exists in the military, middle ground, but it should be closer to more training like a military operative?
Not the same kind of missions, but the level of training.
Yeah, it's definitely not the same kind of missions, but Yeah, we need to lean in that direction.
The bottom line is the military is an extreme version of training, for sure, and they don't need that much training because they're working all the time.
But to do basically zero training or 1% of your time training is totally ridiculous.
Yeah, the Hodgetwins came in actually, and they were both Marines, and we took them to the range and said, we never fired a pistol!
They gave us an M16 and said, aim it downrange.
And they said, we never really had done hand-to-hand combat training.
They said, it really varies in different branches of the military.
It's specialized.
And I'm sure you probably have a remark about the Marines since you're a Navy SEAL, right?
Something like village people, blah, blah, blah, blah.
No, I would say the Marines are outstanding, and I work with the Marine Corps, and they're just some of the most professional people you could ever want to work with.
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So, let me ask you, speaking of escalating, the French, this brings us to the idea of chokeholds, because we don't want police officers right now, or a lot of people are calling for defunding.
Okay, that's an extreme example, but it is the Black Lives Matter movement right now.
Their leadership call is to totally abolish and defund the police.
Scale it back.
Defunding the police, diverting those funds to social workers, or workers who have non-lethal force at all as part of their protocol.
Then scale that back a little bit, you know, we end up with, okay, maybe we get rid of guns from police officers.
That's a call.
But then I've also seen, after Rayshard Brooks, we shouldn't have tasers.
And now this general idea, no chokeholds.
Well, France just reversed that.
I don't know if you've been following this.
They just reversed their ban on chokeholds.
No, I'm not really up on the French news, but you can fill me in.
Well, have you ever, you're out there in the military, have you ever had any French people there, French allies out there?
I never, I never, we do work with the French sometimes, I never work with the French.
Yeah, I didn't know if they come with a, I'm French Canadian, I didn't know if they come with a standard issue white flag.
But Canadians did go, obviously, into Afghanistan and a lot of places.
Some great soldiers come out of Canada, just not nearly as many of them as you have in the United States.
But the French just reversed it.
They just reversed a ban on chokeholds.
It was banned, and they reversed it because the French police argued that the ban put their lives at risk.
And there is some evidence coming out now that it actually resulted in more lethal forms of force.
So I think sometimes when people say, ban chokeholds, do you think they really know what they're asking for?
They 100% don't know what they're asking for.
Banning choke holds is a horrible idea.
When you think about what you need to do to make someone comply, and you can't use a choke hold.
Choke hold is the absolute best way to get someone to comply.
It's safe 99.9% of the time.
You and I, being Jiu Jitsu players, we've choked Thousands of people and been choked thousands of times and I've never been hurt from a chokehold I've never hurt someone from a chokehold ever thousands and thousands and thousands of repetitions and Here's the deal if I want to subdue you and I'm not allowed to choke you guess what I have to do I have to hit you I have to hit you in the head and I have to hit you in the head usually with an object and this is if I'm not shooting you right so I pull out my baton and I start hitting you in the head I have seen individuals take
More, you know, four, five, eight shots to the head with batons or with weapon strikes and be perfectly fine and keep fun.
Maybe not be perfectly fine, but they keep fighting.
They keep fighting and finally you have to beat someone.
Until they stop.
I think Rodney King is a great example of that.
Rodney King, a chokehold, would have been, would have been, there would have been no video, there would have been no riots, nothing.
Somebody would have known what to do there, they would have gone and put Rodney King to sleep, cuffed him, put him in the back of the car, you'd have been fine.
Instead, the only thing those cops knew how to do was hit him in the head.
Well, hitting someone in the head, just like when you watch a boxing match, how often does someone in a boxing match actually get knocked out?
Right.
It doesn't happen that often.
Yeah.
Why?
Because it's hard to knock someone out.
Right.
How often when you get a choke on someone, they're going to sleep.
That's all there is to it.
And the great thing is, once you let go of the choke, they wake back up.
They're perfectly fine.
There's no brain trauma.
They're not marked up.
It's the best way to subdue someone.
And to take that skill set away from the cops is a big mistake.
Well, here's kind of an extreme example to make a point.
Anyone out there, okay?
Let's say you have to fight.
You have to fight until it's finished with Mike Tyson.
Okay, anyone else out there?
How do you think that ends up?
Now, you have to fight until a finish with Jocko Willink.
Jocko Willink can end that fight without anyone ever so much as having a scratch.
Because of the tools that you go to.
A lot of people don't understand that.
They don't understand the limit of tools.
That's why we see so much damage in boxing, too, and it's because of the training where you're limited in your tools and you're hitting the head non-stop.
And I think a lot of people don't... I mean, you just had Nancy Pelosi say that police chokeholds are a moderate... She said it was a lynching.
Those were the words that she used.
A lynching.
How worrisome is that when you have elected officials go out who people believe are authoritative on the subject, basically accusing our police of using arguably, I'll leave some room here, arguably one of the most peaceful ways to end a physical altercation with a hate crime?
Well, luckily she's not, doesn't sound like she's trying to stir anything up with that comparison.
Yeah, right.
Trying to make anyone mad about that.
Yeah, that's just, that's just, it's just ridiculous.
That's completely ridiculous.
Um, you know, if, if someone, if my, one of my kids or, or if me, if I was going to get arrested, I want to get arrested by people that know jujitsu because they're going to come in, they're gonna be able to do it with the minimum force required.
If that's what you want police officers to do.
And, and again, if you don't train people and you just have people learn to choke hold and that's it.
You know, then you're not really, you're still not doing them justice.
It's, we need to do a, you know, full systemic change in the way we're training our police officers.
Police, being a police officer is a freaking hard job.
Yeah.
Every single day.
And you don't know if you're gonna have, you don't know if the person you're pulling over is a mom that's with kids in the back going to soccer, or if that's a person with a pistol, or that's going to assault you and try and kill you.
You don't know.
And that's what you live with every single day.
So for us not to put them in those situations with the right
tool to handle every one of those different situations is completely, it's completely wrong for America to do that to
our police officers right now.
And as people see in France, it ends up, it potentially could
end up harming far more people.
Just like a professor at Harvard, just this just came out yesterday
where he said, you know, defunding the police would result, it
would result in thousands of more black lives being lost because
because of police not protecting.
other black citizens who often need it the most.
So when we go to the WebEx Center, I'd like to talk a little bit more about specifically
kind of chokeholds and our experiences with those.
But let me ask you this.
In general, with this subject, the law and order at large and the riots and protests in
every major city, by the way, every major city have turned into riots.
Some small ones in smaller towns or suburbs have been peaceful.
Where do you think, this is what I will say, I've never, looking at Chaz, I've never in
my lifetime ever been one of those people who's feared a potential, some kind of incarnation
of a civil war.
But when I look at a place like Chaz, and as a military officer I'd be curious as to your point of view, and people take over an American city, they're shaking down business owners, you have to present ID to come or leave in what's supposedly a free country, and they're protecting it with guns.
I go, gosh, I'm not saying I would like, but I wouldn't be surprised if the citizens who live there and business owners try and take back their rights with guns.
And I've never been afraid of that in my country, of that escalating.
What do you think of where we are at large here and how it compares to like actual wars that you've been in?
I think the major thing that you're lacking is any level of commitment from the people in there.
You know?
Look.
You're not a big fan of Raz, the Warlord?
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It seems like kind of a cool, like, hey, you know, you want to tell that story over, you know, in a couple months, be like, oh yeah, I was in Chaz, and what was it called?
Chaz?
Chop now, now it's Chop, yeah.
I was in CHOP, I was in CHOP, yeah.
But when there's, it's like if we were gonna actually go in there and take them and fight them
and like the police force showed up ready to do battle, like those people would be like,
yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good, we're good, okay.
Yep.
Just little riot things over, we're good, we're ready to go home.
There's no commitment in there.
It's, you know, it'll be over.
Do you think so?
Yes.
I hope so.
I hope so, but I do worry when you have citizens who have effectively, you know, mayors and governors who haven't done anything.
Do you have business owners or people who live there who didn't vote for this and they can't get to and from their houses or run their own businesses right now?
That's got to be hell for those people.
And it only takes one person to react, which, at this point, my point is, I don't think it's irrational for someone to react in a severe way who's living in this sort of occupied area right now.
And there are many of them.
And I guess my point is, when those people react, the people that are in Chaz, they'll just be like, oh yeah, sorry.
Like, I mean, if they did that in my neighborhood, This thing wouldn't have happened.
What do you mean?
Can you explain that?
Well, you're not going to block off my house where I live, my property, and tell me I can't go in there.
Or come to my house and think you're going to extort money from me.
That's not happening.
Why not?
What does Jekyll Willink do?
You're not going to do that.
I'm going to walk outside.
Are you a lawyer right now?
I think I can guess.
Talk it over.
Some non-pina colada.
What's it called?
Pineapple... No, just... So I think there's some people... And you know what?
Hey, you want to show up here?
You're going to act tough?
Okay, cool.
We got it.
We understand.
Oh, wait a second.
Now you're actually going to try and take something from my business?
No, that's not happening.
That's not happening.
And I think when people realize that that's not happening, What members of Antifa are ready to really try and bring it?
Where's the numbers?
They're not trying to bring it.
You want to put on a football, a lacrosse helmet, and comment like, you know, Yeah, I think you're right, until it becomes a mob of people and those individuals become afraid of speaking out.
and we'll have some fun.
That's fine.
Right.
If you're trying to, like, infringe on my property and try and come and harm my family,
they're not ready to make those kind of commitments.
Yeah.
I think you're right until it becomes a mob of people and those individuals become afraid of speaking out.
And I hope that's not what's happening, but I'm afraid that it might be happening down there
with some people when they're outnumbered.
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A couple of things, the extended interview, this week we didn't do it with Jocko because he had an appointment.
Yeah.
So we did have to pre-take the interview, as you know, and then, so there's one week we don't, but then we are going to talk about our first Chokeout stories, and of course to reiterate, the lady who modeled Aunt Jemima, if you want a fact check.
It's just we couldn't not do the Aunt Jemima stuff, it's just too fun.
It's too fun.
It's too fun to think that it's actually one's biological.
Like the 23 in me says, I don't know, Aunt Jemima?
She may have been an aunt.
She could have been an aunt.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Who knows?
I mean, everyone has brothers and sisters.
Particularly, I'm sure, people who call each other brothers and sisters.
It's true.
The only people who do that are black people and those at the convent.
So, Audio Wade, explain to people who don't, you know, by the way, everyone who hasn't ever been choked, everyone who's ever done jiu-jitsu, judo, grappling, has been choked many, many times.
But usually people don't when it's the first time.
You were a real trooper.
You went out there on your shield.
What was it like?
Totally fine.
Yeah, not even really uncomfortable.
Yeah, just like waking up and you have a little dream.
It's like a little dream that I wasn't being arrested.
Well, it's important to dream.
And if you were a perp, would you rather have that or a taser?
That.
Yeah, I think you would rather do that.
I would too.
When I have ever actually had been submitted to anything in competition, I'm like, oh, I just hope it's a joke.
Sure.
Sometimes you walk up and you see this crazy guy who's really strong, like, oh, I just don't want him to get a hold of my arm or my knee.
You're like, oh, OK, good, it's a joke.
Then I just take a quick nap, and I'm good.
Even if he's mad at me, I know I'll be fine.
Matter of fact, in MMA, it's pretty common.
I think the Diaz brothers are like, hey, if you tap to a chunk, you're a bitch.
That's what they say.
It's kind of like, fight as long as you can.
And I think it's silly if you're checkmated.
But you don't keep going if it's your arm, because people get their arms snapped or their knees snapped.
But no one who's sane would be willing to go through that pain.
So what you're saying is I'm like the Diaz brothers.
You are like the Diaz brothers.
It's hard, man.
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What is their area code?
Stockton?
Someone tell me the Stockton area code.
I'm pretty sure they don't live there now.
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We have big shows next week.
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And of course, just so you know, we will be doing shows through the week of the 4th of July, and then it's our summer break until the first week of August.
And that's just because we have a lot of stuff to do here behind the scenes.
We do that for like two or three weeks at Christmas, and two or three weeks in the summer so that we can update everything, and some holes in the roof.
I do have to get going.
Let me tell you, we were planning at one point an event in DC.
We can let the cat out of the bag because we're not doing it now.
Because everyone on this team was convinced there was no way for us to do it and me not get shot.
And the idea was to do a segment there of kneeling for prayer and standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.
For it to not be a political event.
Because I don't believe that any of our solutions right now in this country...
And I haven't said this before, man, like, when people used to say, oh, Obama's ruined the country, I'd say, well, you know, listen, you get the next one, and you fight where you can, and this is a bad law, but we have a system of checks and balances.
This is the first time that I've feared some kind of, like, legitimate civil uprising or civil war, because I think civil wars don't really look like—civil wars don't exactly look like people think they look.
If it's your neighborhood and people are taking it over like Chaz or Chop, but I'm going to keep calling it Chaz because I want them to face the legal liability of declaring it an autonomous zone.
That's the name, Chaz.
Chaz!
Right?
If it's your neighborhood and you're going home, or like my wife right now who has some health issues and I need to be helping her, and you walk home and there are some Antifa guys with masks trying to shake you down to go into your house and you can't go in your house because they're taking this over, and you're like, oh, okay, let me get my wallet, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, click, open the door, reload, bang, bang, bang, bang.
That's the end of it.
No one's stopping me from getting into my house to protect my wife.
Does that make someone an extremist?
I'm not talking about going out hunting people, of course not.
But is it really so outlandish to think that when people are being controlled by unelected mobs, in entire blocks, with guns, that they end up taking back their rights as American citizens with guns?
Well, they shouldn't move.
No one has a right to force someone to move.
At gunpoint.
And so we didn't do the event in DC.
I'll tell you why.
I think that obviously we can't find our solutions through identifying through one's race.
As a Christian, the only way we can solve our issues here is to stop looking at the color of one's skin, to stop looking at things that are superficial, and to start looking to God.
And I think we do need to pray together.
And I think it's really important, though, At this point for Christians to step up and instead of trying to... Where's the church?
Where is the church?
You have pastors right now who won't even host service in their own congregations while billions of dollars in damage have been caused in cities.
It was 25 million in the first week in Minneapolis, right?
Does anyone have a total yet?
What has been done across the country?
You don't think Minneapolis Probably a little smaller than New York, times it by 8,000, somewhere in the billion range.
And the churches are doing Zooms?
It's unreal to me!
No one mentions if the virus uptick, you know, and the death count hasn't gone up with it, so obviously some testing comes into account there.
No one mentions?
We blame congregations for choir practice?
But not people screaming at other folks to kneel?
And here's the thing, a lot of people are trying to accuse folks of being racist for not kneeling.
Figuratively, I want our leaders, Republicans included, to stop kneeling.
And literally, no American should kneel to another man.
None.
It's not a symbol of unity.
It's a symbol of cowardice.
You do not kneel.
If you're a black man, you never kneel to another black man or a white man.
If you're a white person, you don't kneel to... I have to list all the colors, otherwise people will say I'm singing with red, white, yellow, taupe... Your guess is as good as mine with the Dolezals and Boltons and Michael Jacksons.
I don't know.
Include all the colors of the rainbow and even ones that people will technically try and hang me on because they're not colors, they're shades.
You don't bow to any human being.
But we've lost sight of that because we have lost sight of what we are as a country.
People say, oh, we had slavery.
Well, you know what?
Yeah, we did have slavery.
And we fought a really bloody war to end slavery.
We had hundreds of thousands of slaves in the United States.
There are still six million slaves in Africa.
There are still many, many millions of slaves in the Middle East.
You know who else had slaves, by the way?
Muhammad.
Now, I know you'll say, oh, that was a different time, just like in the United States.
Do they still have slaves in the Middle East today?
Nary a slave to be found in Qatar.
Clock boy with your Phillips in a suitcase.
Tell me about the slave trade over there.
So we did end slavery.
And the reason we ended slavery was because we thought, we knew that it was irreconcilable with the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, with the idea that all men are created equal.
From the very beginning, if you look at the writings of George Washington and Jefferson, they all had a problem with it.
It was changing a process, stopping a train that was in motion, a locomotive from a very, very long time before it.
And we got there.
And it's terrible that we did it.
Understood?
But that's also why we don't kneel.
The reason we ended slavery is for the same reason that you don't kneel today.
Because no Christian is to kneel to anyone.
Ever.
Matter of fact, I know some people, they go, oh, in the Bible, you can read instances in the Bible, every instance you read where someone kneels to anyone other than God, including angels.
And they go, oh, what are you doing?
I should have said, don't, no, don't, no, don't kneel to me, the big guy's gonna see.
Don't kneel to me.
That's throughout the entire Bible.
And we stand at the Pledge of Allegiance.
Why?
We stand to honor the flag of the country, the only country in human history that was founded on the promise that we would never have to kneel to a man again.
And it took us a while to make sure that happened with everybody.
To end the slave trade, but the idea of kneeling before a human being is deeply anti-Christian, just as it is deeply anti-American.
And for someone to try and re-appropriate something, could you imagine if we just said, well now I'm going to bend down and face Mecca five times a day, and I'm going to do it because I would like socialized healthcare.
You can't just change something that symbolic and what it means because you have a grievance, no matter how legitimate it is.
Americans should not kneel.
I don't respect a man who kneels to men, literally or figuratively.
And it bothers me when you have Christians going, you know, we're going to kneel because it shows a sign of unity.
That's not what it does, man.
It shows a sign of subservience.
And it shows a sign of subservience when you do with Black Lives Matter.
You can see these videos right now entirely based on your race.
That's as close to modern slavery in America as you get.
Listen, listen, you're white.
Kneel.
Well, why?
Because white.
Because white privilege.
You're demanding that someone kneel to you in subservience as though you are a god because of their race?
At the same time where we might sacrifice a man at the altar of political correctness?
With Officer Rolfe!
That's what that is!
That's not a man who deserves to die, he's facing the death penalty!
We have gotten so far off the beam in this country, I couldn't care less if someone wants to throw out a false accusation of kneeling, just like this, being a sign of white supremacy.
Don't tell the Home Alone 2 DVD box set!
And so we're at the point where, you know, I don't necessarily agree with what I do agree that this country needs healing, and the only way to heal is obviously through God and through our Christian principles, but I also think that there's a time where a shepherd needs to protect their flock.
And Chas is a great example, and this officer is a great example.
We can save lives now, and we can liberate people.
And that's the promise of this country, and it's being infringed upon, and it is unbelievable to me that those in leadership, Republican and Democrat, aren't protecting the very rights upon which this country was founded.
I'm trying to see what we have for next week.
I've changed my mind.
I don't know.
I don't care.
You know what?
Kneel if you want.
Stand if you want, I guess.
That's the point.
You have the right to do it.
You have the right to do whatever it is that you wanted.
If you want to kneel out of guilt, fine.
Demanding that another man kneel is not just offensive as an American, because I don't want
to be like Gerald in Murder, it's not just offensive to the American sensibilities. And
by the way, if you're an edgy atheist in the comment section, that's totally fine.
You enjoy the unalienable birth rights as protected by government, given by God.
That's something a lot of people miss, too, right?
The same reason that we don't kneel is because we recognize in this country that our rights are given to the only person to whom we kneel, which is God.
The government doesn't grant rights.
And that's something that's really pretty, people think is benign.
In Germany, just recently, they destroyed, they made internet a human right.
Ooh, well that sounds nice.
I like internet.
Sprint sucks.
Got it.
But, what happens if a, what happens if the government is the one who tells you, ah, internet is a right?
We're just granting rights?
I guess we can take it away.
And you see that with sheriffs or mayors across this country.
We're going to take away their right to defend themselves.
You can just take away?
You can just give and take away rights?
I'm not telling you that you can't ever kneel.
Let's be clear about that.
What I am telling you is that you should never be called to kneel before any other man because of what the Constitution promises.
Black, white, red, yellow.
And that doesn't exist in other countries.
It doesn't exist!
In the continent of Africa, where you still have enslavement based on race, by the way, between tribes, where it still exists in the Middle East, where it still exists in Asia, based on where you're from.
Slavery is still a thing and people do kneel and it's not a symbol of unity.
It's because they're forced to.
If you kneel, Put on some shackles while you're at it.
And if you're a leader who kneels, don't expect the vote of myself, and I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm pretty sure that you can expect to forego the vote of anyone here at Louder With Crowder.
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