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May 5, 2017 - Louder with Crowder

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#163 TRUMPCARE WINS! BILL NYE LOSES! Bas Rutten and Andrew Klavan | Louder With Crowder

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	Bahamas!
	I've been expecting you, Jihadi Bond.
	I've been expecting you, Jihadi Bond.
	I was wondering why it took you so long to find me.
	Let's just say I was caught up with a dinner date.
	Well, I hope she knows how to handle that left hook of yours.
	She did.
	Unfortunately for her, it was the right uppercut that did her in.
	You always had a way with the ladies, double six six.
	Well, that's simply because I always understood something you could not.
	And what's that?
	What you call charm.
	I call raping them repeatedly and beating them without mercy.
	I'll have to put that in my notebook of pickup tips, Mr.
	Bond.
	Enough small talk.
	Who are you working for?
	Who is behind this mug club?
	You cannot stop it.
	Besides, it's not who, it's what.
	Those wheels are already in motion, a force which cannot be stopped.
	We'll see what YouTube has to say about this.
	Mug Club is a force beyond YouTube.
	It cannot be contained.
	It cannot be stopped.
	You really think that YouTube, with all its power, with all its featured content, with all its young turks, they cannot take care of your merry band of friends?
	What happens when your precious mug club is banned, or worse, demonetized?
	Mug Club operates outside of YouTube.
	Outside YouTube?
	But that's internet suicide.
	You're right, Mr.
	Bond.
	YouTube merely provides, shall we say, the platform to grow Mug Club as YouTube continues its jihad on free speech, effectively using its own power against itself.
	As users continue to join Mug Club, YouTube is no longer needed to reach one's user base.
	It is suicide, jihadi Bond, with YouTube's finger on the trigger.
	I've heard enough.
	Who is behind this supposedly unstoppable mug club?
	You still don't get it.
	It is not who.
	It's up!
	I just realized I totally reversed that.
	You're supposed to do the inflate it, which is my dad used to do that when I was a kid, and to embarrass me because I was weak and skinny.
	Speaking of which, Not Gay Jared, producing with me in video studio as always.
	I went to the gym this week!
	That's good.
	First time in a year and a half.
	Follow him at Not Gay Jared, me at S. Crowder, with your comments, questions, photoshops, insults.
	I fulfill my legal obligations.
	Draw your own conclusions.
	We good?
	We're good.
	Snacky Jared, you went to the gym.
	I did, but I also bought a recliner this week.
	So, I'm conflicted.
	That's the worst.
	Like, if you're planning on going to the gym and you buy a new toy, or you get a new gun, or you get a recliner...
	It's like, nah.
	Some would say that you conflict.
	Just don't plan anything fun the same day as the gym.
	Speaking of which, at G Morgan Jr.
	here, fun guy.
	Speaking of not fun?
	No, I said just don't plan anything.
	I was saying you're fun because you're a wine guy.
	I need to go to the gym.
	Yeah, you both need to go to the gym.
	You put us together, you have one full-grown human being.
	That's true.
	There has to be truth in comedy, you six-foot-five giant.
	That's true.
	I am just demure.
	No, he's not.
	You can barely fit him in this studio.
	It's silly.
	Great guests today.
	We have Voss Rutten, mixed martial arts legend.
	I'm pretty closet conservative, but after this, he'll be lucky to work again in the entertainment industry.
	And then, of course, we have Andrew Klavan, great friend of the show.
	How big careers have you killed now?
	You should have the death chart of.
	Or launched.
	Depends.
	Well, we'll let him come out.
	I have a few things I want to ask him about, which sort of implies it.
	We have some stories that we'll be talking about.
	The replace and repeal, the bill, the health care bill, went through with single-digit votes today, but that's a big deal.
	And there's a lot of outrage from the left over the Upton Amendment.
	So I know it's kind of boring.
	It's convoluted.
	We'll get into that, though, and hopefully explain it in a way that you can understand.
	Also, Bill Nye, fake news, chromosomes, and the gender bender.
	We'll talk about that.
	What's true?
	What's not true?
	I'm trying to think.
	Oh, Tranny Bain is coming up.
	Trenny Bane.
	Trenny Bane is debuting today.
	Lucky to have him.
	If you're not a Mug Club...
	Oh, Z. Crap.
	How do you know?
	You don't want to do it with Trenny Bane.
	We've talked about this.
	So before we get to those stories, though, there are a couple of stories that just, you know, piqued our interest.
	There's been...
	There's been outrage in San Francisco over a policeman shooting a man.
	So there's the question of police brutality.
	We'll show you the local affiliate clip.
	Outrage over a cop shooting a man who stabbed someone.
	By the way, he was in the middle of stabbing that person.
	Sources say the two men inside that subways had been arguing over a sandwich.
	The man who was stabbed was taken to a hospital.
	The other did not survive.
	Well, he was in progress.
	Stabbing was in progress, yes.
	Was there a way to avoid this?
	Everything right now is under investigation.
	It's very preliminary.
	Nearby residents like Sherry Pittman were outraged by the shooting.
	So we have a fight, we're going to get shot, and I fight all the time.
	Apparently she didn't ask for her lawyer.
	Anyway, avoid this.
	How about not stopping?
	I thought it's like, you have the right to remain.
	I ain't gonna be silent.
	I did the crime!
	I stole it!
	I already told you I done stole it!
	All the time!
	Listen, it's not because she's black, it's because she's hilarious.
	Notice the black officer, didn't laugh at that, but she's funny!
	She is funny!
	She's like a walking cartoon character!
	And I just, they're outraged over a cop Stopping someone in the middle of a stabbing.
	This is where you cannot find middle ground.
	I don't understand.
	It's like, if you're against deporting illegal aliens who are committing felonies, we're not going to find common ground on the Anchor Baby issue.
	So this, of course, this event, the police brutality, apparently, quote-unquote, has led to protests in San Francisco, protests, riot signs, where they ultimately coined the new slogan, hands up, let me stab you repeatedly.
	is and the first arrival paramedics were actually reported as saying that it was really a gruesome scene There was blood everywhere.
	It took a long time to get it out of their clothes, but they finally did it.
	Still no luck in removing the smell of Subway.
	Save a few.
	Have you ever worn leather in one of those places?
	No.
	I know you have.
	I have Subway smells from 2012.
	Oh, man.
	In San Francisco, the Folsom Street Fair must be terrible.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Yes.
	And then that Folsom Street where a bunch of people walking in in leather chaps.
	I think I want a Subway sandwich.
	Well, what do you want?
	You want the Southwest steak?
	I don't know what it is.
	They say it's the Southwest steak.
	I order it.
	They say, what do you want on it?
	Then what is the Southwest steak?
	Why name it if I decide what's on it?
	More leather.
	I haven't had a date in years.
	I don't understand that with Subway.
	Someone can explain it to me.
	It's like, what do you want?
	The Southwest steak.
	Okay, what do you want on it?
	All right, you know, give me the normal steak one.
	What do you want on it?
	What makes it Southwest?
	The peppers?
	Why don't you put the peppers on it?
	Well, do you want the peppers on it?
	Why is the title?
	I can't get anything right.
	A lot of flack, too.
	Stephen Colbert made a joke, we'll talk about this with Klavan later on, where he referred to Trump's mouth, sorry, cock holster for Vladimir Putin.
	By the way, I think it's kind of a funny word.
	So some people were really outraged.
	I don't tend to get outraged, but I didn't, you know, they were talking about a boycott with Colbert.
	I didn't see any genuine conservatives who I knew calling for a boycott.
	It seems like a little bit of a strawman alert because I see people saying, oh, if you have a problem with Colbert's lewd comments on this but had no problem with Trump's lewd comments about, you know, you're highly inconsistent.
	I'm like, I don't think that's the argument.
	I think everyone jumping on hashtag, if they're conservative, they're like, I already kind of hated Colbert.
	This is a fun thing to do today.
	Right.
	But people who are really upset about it are upset for the homophobic.
	Yeah, that's right.
	We saw that at HuffPoke.
	HuffPo just wanted many to write about it.
	HuffPo queer voices.
	I love that that's a section.
	We need to stop making jokes about Trump and Putin.
	Okay, sweetheart.
	Let me explain to you the definition of need, because you seem to be a little murky.
	We don't need to stop making gay jokes.
	You need to learn the definition of need.
	Yes.
	Need means, I really, really want you to stop making gay jokes!
	But I love the cannibalism from the left.
	It is fun to watch.
	I think Colbert thought, they won't come for me because my fans are the ones who go after other people.
	Yeah, what are you going to say?
	What are you going to say?
	Why are gay jokes off limits?
	It's got to be straight jokes?
	It's not funny if it's not a gay joke.
	That's the funny part.
	That's the funny part.
	And I don't think it was a funny joke.
	I don't think Stephen Colbert is hilarious.
	I certainly think he's funnier than Samantha Bee and Trevor Noah.
	I've said that.
	I thought he was funnier in character.
	But I don't want to see a guy boycotted.
	Especially, listen, his ratings are doing well, so he deserves what he gets.
	A little one note with the Trump stuff.
	I think he's locked into it.
	But I think To his credit, he's not backing down from the comment.
	He's saying, hey, sorry, I'm a little overboard with crassness.
	You know, maybe not FTC appropriate.
	But to his credit, he's not backing down.
	Which, for comedy's sake, it's refreshing to see.
	Yeah.
	Watch for him tomorrow, though, to call for the boycotting or banning of someone who says something offensive.
	Or they say, like, I'm never calling for the banning, but they just encourage this sort of crap storm of offense.
	So, okay.
	In other news, Bill, this is something that's been making the rounds.
	Important.
	Bill Nye did this whole gender bender thing.
	You can shut off the deal, Jared.
	The gender bender thing.
	Gender exists on a spectrum.
	You saw this.
	We talked about this earlier in the week.
	Wrote about it at LiveWithCarter.com.
	Now, there was a meme in Making the Rounds, an alt-right sort of meme that went around this one, where it talked about an episode of Bill Nye in the 90s, and it said, gender is determined by your chromosomes.
	So a couple of things here.
	I interpreted this as a meme.
	There are no quotations.
	Not a direct quote.
	In other words, when I first saw this, I saw it as, oh, that must have been the sentiment expressed.
	Yeah, we did a lot with memes just to capture the sentiment of something somebody believes.
	Someone kind of understands memes.
	Okay, so that's the case.
	Now, we didn't run it on the site because...
	All of the leftist news sites, and we tend to read leftist news sites more to check our sources because we want to know what the left is saying.
	They said that it was completely fake.
	So places like Gizmodo and the fact-checking website said this is entirely fake.
	Bill Nye never made this quote.
	He never said anything about gender and chromosomes.
	As a matter of fact, to prove their point, and they fooled us.
	They fooled us.
	We thought, well, maybe this is just another hoax, kind of like the Donald Trump quote meme that goes around.
	They fooled us by even including a clip of the Bill Nye episode.
	Our genes are stored in parts of our cells called chromosomes.
	They look like this.
	Chromosomes contain all of the genetic information, all of the instructions you need to make a person.
	So, when you watch that, you think, well, that seems dishonest with the name, because he didn't say anything about gender being binary.
	Turns out...
	When these people said fake news, the implication that Bill Nye had a show that said...
	Well, Bill Nye didn't say it directly, so I will allow that, clarify that.
	But that same episode, that show included one of his female cohorts on the show talking about two genders.
	You have a one-in-two chance, your gender being determined by chromosomes.
	And here's the thing.
	It was in the same show after that clip, and it was edited out retroactively.
	It was censored by, I think, Netflix and or Disney.
	Here's the clip they omitted.
	I'm a girl.
	Could have just as easily been a boy though, because the probability of becoming a girl is always one in two.
	See, inside each of our cells are these things called chromosomes, and they control whether we become a boy or a girl.
	One in two, not one in 73.
	Not one in pansexual gender fluidity.
	Now, usually, if Gizmodo and if these sites PolitiFact, if they had written, listen, this meme is going around, it's a false quote, Bill Nye did not say this.
	However, in the episode that was retroactively edited to omit this clip, they did say that gender was determined by chromosomes and highly implied that gender was binary.
	If they'd have written that, it would have been honest.
	Now, we've written, for example, about global warming, about scientists from NASA who said we're going into a global cooling period.
	And in the articles and on this show, we say, now, by the way, these same scientists say, but totally don't worry, you guys, because global warming is going to occur after those 50 years.
	We provide that context and the link.
	These real news sites calling out fake news sites, turns out we're in cahoots, we're in on the gag of this show being retroactively edited.
	Do you have any idea how insanely dangerous that is?
	And something even scarier, you want to talk about Orwellian, people...
	Google has recently issued their guidelines.
	They said their algorithms are going to favor real news over fake news and they've actually named some of the sites that ran this story claiming that people on the right were fake news.
	So if you look at their descriptions, sites like ours, which I encourage you to bookmark, glottowithcrowder.com, would be considered fake news.
	Gizmodo, PolitiFact, Snopes would be considered real news.
	By the way, also university publications, like Berkeley today, who are hosting actual communists teaching courses, well, sorry, giving seminars on how to eradicate Trump voters from campus.
	They banned Milo, they banned Ann Coulter, but they're hosting communists.
	And Gizmodo does this, and Google's going to favor them as real news.
	Something else that I think is even crazy, okay?
	They went back...
	Even crazier, sorry.
	My words.
	I don't know.
	Stroke, maybe.
	Words have meaning.
	It was a Stephen Hawking dance I did.
	It's coming back to bite me from earlier this week.
	Something I think is even crazier.
	They went back and they edited a science show.
	Now, it wasn't an addendum to correct the science.
	They didn't edit it out because the science wasn't accurate.
	They edited out the science from a science show because it was offensive.
	Is that not terrifying?
	And this is, again, the far left, the Bill Nye's of the world, the Gizmodo's of the world, the factcheck.org's of the world.
	These places who consider themselves the arbiters of truth are removing science because it is offensive.
	There's no excuse for that.
	At least when Al Gore did it with an inconvenient truth, he was going back to correct some inaccuracies.
	He made a lot of predictions.
	There is a faster buildup of heat here at the North Pole in the Arctic Ocean and the Arctic generally than anywhere else on the planet.
	That's not good for creatures like polar bears, who depend on the ice.
	Or, in fact, they could just as easily float, because that's what polar bears do in water.
	Also, there could be three times the population of polar bears ten years from this film.
	We don't know.
	I appreciate that Al Gore has been honest about that.
	He cleaned it up.
	That's good.
	Let alone fact, he recorded that voiceover from a Swedish masseuse.
	Oh, that's good enough.
	Doing something with the arches of their feet.
	So, uh, healthcare bill.
	Let's get into the health...
	What's happening?
	What?
	Dean.
	Hey.
	Dude, where were you?
	Where was I when?
	He will not divide us.
	New York was fun as hell, so I went over to...
	I was supposed to meet you at the UK, Juan.
	Dean, that was just an idea.
	We were just floating that around.
	We didn't confirm that.
	I went there.
	I waited.
	For like a week.
	I'll call you back.
	He's a nice guy, but we've got to...
	I'm sorry.
	Just got to clarify that, Jared.
	It's my bad.
	Personal calls on your time.
	So the healthcare bill, have you been following this?
	Yeah.
	Both of you?
	Oh, yeah.
	So you saw that the vote passed?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How many votes was it?
	I know it was single digits.
	It was 217, like 211 or something like that.
	I'll have to double check.
	So it was pretty close.
	So this is the repeal and replace ID of the bill.
	There are a few controversies here, so I want to explain it without getting you too bored.
	And it's hard to get people who are not bored when talking about multi-thousand page bills.
	This bill includes something called the Upton mandate.
	Now, it allows for a few things, okay?
	It allows for a few things to occur, but the most controversial aspect of which is it allows a waiver for states.
	Now, what does this waiver allow for?
	It allows states Two, allow insurance companies to charge more for people with pre-existing conditions.
	So I want to be clear.
	Some people are going out and saying this means that states will be exempt from the pre-existing condition stipulation.
	They're not.
	I wish they were.
	I really wish they were.
	I don't think there should be any federal mandate to cover pre-existing conditions.
	That's not what it is.
	What this waiver allows, and what has to occur, is the state has to prove that premiums or costs have gone up a significant amount so the state can apply for a waiver which allows the state to allow insurance There's a new mic.
	I just hit it.
	Damn it.
	I was all excited about it, too.
	Allows the states to allow insurance companies to charge more.
	That's what it is.
	That's what has Nancy Pelosi, Mrs.
	Voldemort, with her panties.
	Whatever it is, in a bunch.
	Depends on a bunch.
	Trumpcare eviscerates essential health benefits such as maternity care, Prescription drugs, emergency recovery, prenatal care, and guts protection for Americans with pre-existing medical conditions.
	As bad as Trumpcare was the first time around, you know, it was dead.
	It died.
	It died right here on the floor.
	Now it's come back to life, like a zombie.
	And she would know.
	Spitting.
	She looks like something Rick Grimes would blow away with a Colt Python.
	I just...
	She says that, and I'm sitting there going like...
	Yes, it's like we've talked about with Gavin McGinnis.
	We're saying the exact same thing.
	By the way, the waiver, we'll get into the economics, why I think that's at least a step in the right direction.
	I would have liked to see a complete elimination of all of these mandates.
	But this is nothing new.
	And before we get to the economics, the political selective outrage is what I find to be hilarious here.
	When Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act, was first passed, waivers were allowed too.
	Now, who do you think the main recipient of these waivers being exempt from the mandates were?
	It was almost entirely blue, entirely liberal states and counties.
	As a matter of fact, one of the biggest champions of Obamacare, Anthony Weiner himself, got a waiver for his district.
	Pass the bill to know what's in it.
	We need this for America.
	Okay, you first.
	Dick pic?
	Now, here's the economics of this, okay?
	And this is something, too, where, again, like Jimmy Kimmel, they attribute motive.
	The left only cares, I'm sorry, let's just be honest here.
	They only care about the screw-ups, about the leeches, about the non-contributing zeros to society.
	Okay, they say, well, there's so many people who are uninsured.
	What about, I get it, every now and then someone has a pre-existing condition that is not their fault.
	I understand it.
	By the way, there have always been high-risk health insurance pools for that.
	But they don't care about the people who foot the bill.
	It's not that we don't care about sick people.
	It's that we care about the other Americans who have seen over a 20% year-over-year rise, projected to be at least 25% in 2017 as far as premiums.
	It's that we care about those people.
	It's that we care about the families who are now seeing an average deductible of $12,000, $6,000 for an individual which was unearthed before this.
	It's not that we don't care about sick people.
	It's that we care about everybody else who has to bear this burden.
	The economics of Obamacare have been horrible.
	That's why it's wildly unpopular.
	Okay, that's why Donald Trump won.
	Wall repealing Obamacare.
	Obamacare is unbelievably unpopular.
	And I don't know, remember when they were going to pass it, they always used car insurance as an example.
	As though car insurance was a great analogy for a federal mandate for you to purchase health insurance.
	A couple of things.
	Car insurance goes state to state.
	And the car insurance that you're purchasing is designed to protect somebody else.
	It's to keep somebody else safe.
	Not you.
	Liability.
	It's built into the word.
	Yeah, it's kind of the bare minimum doesn't cover anybody.
	You're screwed.
	It covers other people.
	Bare minimum is you barely help somebody else that you screw.
	Right.
	I've never thought it was a valid analogy, the car insurance analogy, but let's use it here since they've liked to use this for so long, the car insurance analogy.
	Well, you have to buy car insurance.
	Here's the thing.
	You're buying car insurance for someone else, whereas health insurance, you are uniquely buying for you.
	You are purchasing health insurance for yourself.
	There's a risk assessment pool.
	They say this is about your risk.
	This is about what we can spend on these costs.
	It's a business that they run.
	You are spending this money entirely on your own health.
	Yet, You are actually burdening the costs for everybody else's screw-ups.
	You are paying for what everybody else does.
	It's the opposite of car insurance.
	Nobody would accept this if it were the process for car insurance.
	We have to ask, any accidents in the last ten years?
	Yes, six.
	Six?
	What kind?
	Two fender benders, one spin-out, two roadside ditch rolls, one of which I don't remember because I was hammered and I hit a pregnant woman.
	And you're approved.
	Good news, sir, you've been approved.
	That'll be $1,896 monthly.
	Wait, what?
	No, I'm a perfect driver.
	I have a perfect record.
	Nope, right here it says you have two DUIs and rammed and expected mother.
	No, I didn't do any of those things.
	Well, it doesn't matter because somebody did.
	Son of a bitch!
	So just don't accept all analogies.
	They don't always work.
	Eric Bossrudin coming up next, and then Andrew Klavan.
	Ooh.
	Chin-con, chin-con, oh, powerful, and a bit of a console.
	Home Body Break with Steven Crowder and NotGage Aaron.
	Bye.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Summer's a great time to barbecue with friends, family, or even make a few new friends.
	That's right.
	But there are a few things you'll need first.
	An outdoor charcoal grill, your grill brush and utensils, plenty of charcoal, matches, and a healthy dose of lighter fluid.
	To build the perfect grill fire, first, build a pyramid with your charcoal.
	Then douse with a generous amount of flammable lighter fluid.
	When you're ready, use your matches.
	Interesting fact about lighter fluid, it's the vapors itself, not the liquid that's highly flammable.
	That's why it's always paramount that you take the proper...
	Oh, wait!
	You were supposed to stand back!
	Ow!
	I was definitely supposed to...
	Burn!
	Home Body Break with Steven Crowder and Not Gay Jerry.
	Sponsored by Mug Club.
	Break, snap, crush with the foot.
	Break, snap, and deliver.
	Dance and dance and dance and dance and dance.
	All right.
	Hopefully our next guest takes that as a compliment.
	Longtime fan.
	Can't believe we got him on the program today.
	He's also right now, he's out there.
	He admitted this when he was a kid, he was just telling me.
	The O2 trainer.
	It's a lung capacity trainer.
	Check that out.
	But of course, people out there know him.
	Bring up his Twitter, not KJ. Here we go.
	Boss.
	Oh, hold on a second.
	Let me give him more of an answer.
	Former UFC champion.
	Former King of Pancrace champion.
	Current MMA commentator.
	An all-around extraordinary American.
	You know him from Here Comes the Boom.
	A lot of people who aren't sports.
	Boss Rutten.
	Thank you, sir.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Yo.
	Hey.
	Hey.
	Hey, what's up?
	Yeah, I know.
	It's weird when you think of like the hundreds of thousands of people who are going to be And if you just put them in a room, it would make you really nervous.
	Like, wow, that's a huge...
	It would be three, four stadiums.
	But you don't really think of it when it's out on the internet.
	But they're all watching right now going, who's this Bas Rutten guy?
	Yeah, he's a weird looking dude with his bald hair.
	Wait a minute, is that Rutger on Kevin Can't Wait?
	Yeah, that could be the crazy place's neighbor.
	Yeah, well, you, now, did you, forgive me, did you go bald at a young age?
	Because you shaved your head really young, so I just figured it was a style statement.
	Yeah, no, it was a style.
	Believe it or not, I used to be a model.
	I have modeling pictures, you're going to laugh so hard.
	But it wasn't the time when they went from the feminine guy, so to say, crossed over to the real guys.
	And at that time I came in, the model agency was owned by three women who loved me, and they put me out on a lot of work.
	So I have a lot of pictures, hilarious pictures.
	It's all blue steel and those kind of pictures.
	But I was always doing my hair.
	But not with gel and all that stuff, and a blow dryer never did that.
	But one day, I could have fixed my hair, and I grabbed some gel, and I put gel in it, and already I thought that was a completely loose thing to do, but I'm doing it, and I go...
	So I'm grabbing a blow dryer, and I don't click the thing on, and I'm looking at myself in the mirror with a purple blow dryer, and I go...
	This is so wrong.
	So I put it down, walked out, and my girlfriend at the time goes, what are you going to do?
	I said, I'm going to shave my head.
	She goes, yeah, right.
	I just went straight out, went to the barber, I said, shave it off.
	Really?
	And he shaved me, complete bolt, and it was the freedom I received right after the sink.
	Go in the shower, you just do this, that's washing your hair.
	You jump in the pool, you come out, that's drying your hair.
	I mean, it goes really fast.
	You'll love it.
	That's what I can imagine.
	And you also don't have to worry about the point, like, am I going bald?
	Am I losing my hair?
	Because it doesn't matter at that point.
	No one cares.
	But you have the head that can pull it off.
	You know, some people who do it, they just look like an escaped mental patient who just climbed down a rope of bedsheets and, you know, ran out after suffocating their roommate with a pillow.
	I was pulled from the womb with forceps, so I have this cone head.
	That just would never work.
	Oh, gosh.
	Okay, so boss, listen, everyone knows you from fighting and commentary, but if they follow your Twitter, they know that you're a pretty sharp guy.
	I don't know if you remember this.
	So you're from Holland, right?
	So I remember I assumed everyone who I knew, raised in Montreal, like from Holland, were just super hippies who just wanted to smoke pot all the time.
	There was a picture of you, I think when you became an American citizen, you probably don't remember this, at the Lincoln Memorial, giving the finger, and it said, like, this is for the terrorists.
	This was after 9-11.
	I don't know if you remember that.
	And we're sitting there like, okay, Boss Rutten might be coming from a different angle here.
	This was on MySpace, of all places.
	Do you remember that?
	Oh, you know what?
	I remember because it was a big chair that I saw somewhere, I believe in Santa Barbara, and behind that big chair was a wall, and it was a paint, an American flag, the entire wall.
	And the chair was huge, and I go, I gotta make a picture here.
	So I put on a crazy suit, like a 70s suit, and jump in the chair, and I'm sitting there flipping off, and it says freedom of speech, and then it goes, F terrorists.
	Okay, so I was thinking of Lincoln Memorial, but you were the Lincoln.
	You were the one in the chair.
	That's what it was.
	And I remember reading about it in, I think it was back then, Ultimate Grappling Magazine, and some people thought it was controversial.
	So you became an American citizen.
	Listen, as you know, in Europe, Freedom of speech, we see that now.
	It's not necessarily inherently European value.
	I come from Canada where it doesn't exist.
	You can be jailed for hate speech.
	Talking about that flag with freedom of speech, you've talked so much about how you love the United States.
	You've become a citizen.
	You're kind of an anomaly.
	Why is it?
	You're different from a lot of people who come over from Europe, or a lot of them go back.
	You know, I don't know.
	I think once the people...
	This is the problem.
	Many times you talk to people from Europe, but they've never been to America.
	And if they've never been to America, they just repeat what other people are saying.
	They think this is a crazy country.
	You know, my mom and dad, for instance, they didn't want to come the first year to visit us because they were afraid to come.
	They thought people were shooting each other in the street.
	It was the most insane thing.
	They have a whole different picture of America.
	When I tell them, hey, did you ever go to America?
	No.
	I say, why don't you go first and check it out?
	Like my mom and dad...
	They came for only seven days the first time.
	The next time they came two and a half months.
	They rented an RV in Seattle.
	They went throughout all America, saw everything from America.
	It's their favorite country now.
	They had no clue why the propaganda or whatever it is, you know, what they show about America.
	On European TV, it's a different kind of America.
	I think so.
	Why will people be afraid?
	It's a great country.
	Well, I remember that too when I was raised in Canada.
	Everyone thought that people in Texas, they were running around with cowboy hats and guns.
	Now, a lot of people do have guns.
	That is true.
	But they're not shooting each other.
	And I actually, when I moved to the States, I was like, It was actually pretty cool.
	You have a lot of people with guns who are law-abiding citizens, whereas we were sitting ducks in Canada.
	In Montreal, actually, we basically invented the school shooting.
	We had, like, four in the decade of the 90s.
	Literally, it was just...
	And there's nothing anyone could do.
	So, it totally changed.
	What are you about to say now?
	Actually, every Canadian I've ever known, from, like, school and everything, the first thing they do, they get here, they go to visit, you know, New York City, then they find someone to marry so they can stay here.
	Almost every single person I've ever known from college, that's what they do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I can imagine.
	So what was that process like?
	Do you remember the moment where you said, you know what, I'm going to become a citizen in the United States?
	No, it was simple because our youngest daughter was born here.
	And it was in 2001.
	So as soon as she was born here, I said, okay, she's American.
	We're all going to become American now.
	And then my family can have dual citizenship, but the head of the household apparently cannot.
	And I said, no, I'm an American.
	Our daughter was born here.
	The four musketeers, right?
	Once for all, all for one.
	So that's why we're...
	That's what we did.
	We became citizens.
	And you know what?
	I believe that if you live in a country, you know, you should become a citizen.
	I mean, and live by the rules of this country.
	This is a very important thing, too, because in Holland, you know, sometimes people from other countries come in, they commit horrible crimes, and then in court they're going to go, yeah, but you know what?
	In their country, it's an offense if you look at the law of the country.
	I'm not kidding, dude.
	And they go off.
	They get free because in their country.
	And I say, yeah, but you don't live in that country.
	If I go to that country and I try to pull that stunt, it's not going to happen.
	Everybody's so happy.
	You know, we love you.
	We understand.
	Okay, you go.
	Boom.
	And then commit another crime.
	You know, stabbing is only a misdemeanor in Saudi Arabia.
	I think we like to play by that role.
	Yes, exactly.
	Well, okay.
	So this is all interesting because now, like I said, don't get you started.
	But we got you started.
	Did you always think this way or did you have kind of, you know, they call it like red pill, moment of clarity, being in the United States and enjoying some freedoms?
	And I say this as a Canadian.
	I came here and it's almost like in the air.
	You're like, wow, I'm just more free here.
	In Canada, everyone was offended by something you would say.
	People were constantly being jailed or being hauled off because they said the wrong thing or did the wrong thing.
	Did you always think this way like you're talking now or did it happen at a specific moment or was it just a transition living here?
	It was just a transition.
	I have a drawing that I made when I was six years old about Nogi the bird who flew to America.
	So America has always been in my mind.
	I had American cars.
	I had a Buick, a Dodge, a pickup truck with the big tires.
	You know, you're young.
	You do all these crazy things.
	I was always really...
	I always really wanted to go to America.
	I love the American movies.
	That's where all the things that I use when people came, when people ask me, say, how do you speak English?
	Well, first of all, everybody speaks English in Holland because you have to.
	It's a little, tiny country.
	Otherwise, nobody can understand you.
	But we see the American movies with the Dutch subtitles, so it's much easier for us to understand.
	And then once you start learning all the lines, when you watch movies like Scarface and, you know, You think the F-bomb gets dropped everywhere all the time here on the street as well, so when I came here...
	I see where this is going.
	And my first thing was, I thought there was freedom of speech here.
	You see what I threw back?
	I said, apparently there's no freedom of speech, if I cannot say that.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So that's what I thought first.
	And with the guns, you know, I already did depth in that.
	I dove in that.
	And the reason, this is one of the reasons that the Japanese all the way back didn't attack the mainland was because they knew they were going to have a way, every citizen is on it.
	It's going to be a soldier.
	Everybody owns guns.
	So now you're not only fighting the military, you're fighting 80% of the people who have guns at home.
	So that's a big army that you suddenly have.
	So that's why they didn't attack the mainland and they started over there.
	Well, same thing with Switzerland even.
	When you look at Nazi Germany, like, ah, gosh, mountainous terrain and everyone there has a gun.
	So they're like, let's skip over it.
	Let's do Poland first.
	Let me ask you this.
	Because a lot of people will talk about this.
	You're a UFC champion.
	Okay?
	So there are a lot of people out there who BS and like, well, if you need a gun, you're a coward.
	I would just do this, and I got tiger claw, and I don't need the gun to feel secure.
	You're a UFC champion, world-renowned martial artist.
	Well, I don't want to ask you personally if you carry, because, you know, let's keep that a surprise.
	But what's your view on that?
	Would you chalk it up to, I don't need to be personally armed because I'm a martial artist, or do you think people should be, regardless?
	I think if you're a professional fighter, you should.
	You should make sure that you're armed.
	Because the people on the street, if they know you, they're not going to fight you without a weapon.
	Right?
	I mean, they're going to lose.
	So if somebody's going to pull something out, I think you should be prepared for that, at least at home and everywhere.
	You know, it's a dangerous thing out there.
	If I will be a normal person, I can understand, you know, maybe, you know, I won't be as much, but, you know, as being a fighter, yes, they're never going to fight you without a weapon.
	So if something breaks out, they recognize me, it's going to be big, probably.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	And I've talked, you know, with a lot of fighters, like, listen, the last thing, A, that, what you just said, they're not going to try and fight you fairly.
	And B, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
	Because if I'm a fighter, it's national headlines.
	But even that's just, you know, you read the message boards, and you see that attack from sort of the American left today, you know, like, well, the gun is just for, you're so insecure, you cling to your gun.
	They did it on a train one time without a gun.
	This is very simple.
	Guess what?
	The bad guys have guns.
	I want to be ready when a bad guy comes in.
	Can it happen in my life?
	Yes, it can happen.
	It happens all around me, friends, it happens.
	People say, oh, that will never happen to me.
	Ask the people that it happened to.
	Because those people will say, I always said it never happens to me and it happened to me.
	It will happen.
	And if it happens, why not being prepared?
	Why give the power to some criminals Yeah.
	And you're not able to defend yourself.
	So that's the dumbest comment there is, you know, because people are bad.
	It is!
	It is!
	Once every so many people, there are really bad apples in between.
	And if they come, I'd rather be prepared.
	And if you say, there's this great line in True Romance with Christian Slater, one of my favorite movies.
	And he says, the one thing I realized over the last week is it's better to have a gun and don't need it than to need a gun and don't have it.
	Yeah.
	And that's the thing I'm trying to make here.
	No, that's absolutely true, and I just think it's great to come from a fighter, because that sort of debunks a lot of these folks.
	Remember, J.R. was that we had, too?
	Boss Ritten would find this funny, where we went, I think you went to get your gun class.
	Guy knew everything about gun, firearm instruction, but then he's also like, by the way, I also teach martial arts, and he's like a 6th Don Black Belt and Heikikai Jiu-Jitsu-do made-up thing.
	You're like, listen, buddy, you're certified to give me gun training, but I don't think the guy with the pot belly and the homemade belt is necessarily who I want teaching hand-to-hand combat.
	It's true.
	There's just a lot of BS across the board right now.
	And it's easy to sell that to folks, especially when you just tell them they need to be afraid of something.
	So I'm the guy to fix it.
	This is the world we live in.
	If you say to a guy, how big is your penis?
	Oh, it's only six inch tall.
	Oh, you have a micro penis.
	Everybody starts buying those pills, you know?
	That's the thing you have to say to them.
	They're so easy to influence.
	You go like, oh, maybe I should look up a chart with the average-sized penises before us.
	You know, I mean, people are, you know, you just give them a little ball.
	I wouldn't use the word tall in inches.
	I'd say long.
	Tall is he's dead and rigid.
	Like a dead cat.
	It's just clawed onto the couch.
	We still have that in Holland.
	That's a straight Dutch translation that I do.
	But I tell a guy, oh, he's big.
	In Holland, that means he's tall.
	But here it means something different.
	I'm so much out with that.
	Do they speak French in Holland at all?
	No.
	No, that's Belgium, right?
	Just Dutch, yeah, Dutch, and then at the border where I used to live, it's the Belgian, Flemish, German, you know, a lot of people from that area, the lower part of Holland speak German as well.
	Also known as Freaky Deaky Dutch, I learned.
	Freaky Deaky Dutch, yeah.
	I didn't know this, but I know, because it sounds similar to a French-Canadian accent a little bit with Bas.
	I noticed that, you know, kind of if you hear like my mom.
	Yeah, I can hear that a little bit.
	It's not what people, here we're used to a German accent, you know, and then when you think Dutch, people would assume it sounds more like Sven Computer, but it sounds more French-Canadian to me.
	I don't know.
	I think it was Michigan.
	There's so many Dutch people there that...
	Yeah.
	I've heard it a little bit.
	Is it true Dutch people are cheap?
	No, that's the weirdest thing.
	I never got that.
	You know, they say, let's go Dutch on a date that I never in my life experienced ever.
	The guy always pays.
	I don't know where that comes from.
	Also, when I came here and all the Dutch and people saying it was cheap, my first party that I went to from a guy says, hey, when you want to come to the party, I come to the party, buy a present.
	I come to give him the present.
	I go, go to the bar, get a beer.
	And the guy goes, I said, it's $6.
	And the guy, excuse me.
	And he says, $6.
	I said, no, no, I'm at the party here, the birthday party.
	He says, it's $6.
	And you guys talk about Dutch people.
	That won't happen at all.
	You know?
	And they will pay for it because it's their birthday.
	Nobody pays a thing.
	So I go like, wow, I can make parties now.
	I can actually make money.
	You know, I go on the worst day and I tell the people, what is your worst day?
	It's a Wednesday.
	I'm going to do a party next Wednesday.
	I want 20% of the stuff.
	It's my birthday party.
	I'm going to get presents and I'm going to get money.
	It's the greatest thing ever.
	It is a good thing.
	Here's a question, though.
	Are you a Nazi about turning the lights off when you leave the room?
	With where?
	In my living or in my bedroom?
	Any room.
	Are you a Nazi about turning them off?
	Because that's one thing I know about Dutch people.
	Don't use the word Nazi.
	It has a different connotation for a Dutchman.
	Just say, are you meticulous?
	Meticulous.
	What I lately started doing, like if I walk through the house and I see light on, I actually turn it off.
	I lately started doing that.
	But normally, I don't like a lot of light.
	Yeah, turn off the lights.
	I mean, why wouldn't you?
	What is that, Jared?
	What is that question?
	Oh, in Bush, Michigan, that was one thing I noticed.
	Every Dutch person there is just adamant about making sure every light is off in every room you're not using.
	All the time, always.
	I've never heard that.
	Yeah, they're really cheap there.
	That's always something.
	They unplug their refrigerators at night.
	So maybe that's just an American thing.
	Maybe.
	I never heard either.
	The refrigerator thing.
	- Oh, that was a joke.
	- Oh.
	- People though, I did see people coffee filters, washing coffee filters, but I've seen this in America as well.
	But I was at the campground.
	- Yeah. - My grandmother, she would like coffee filters, paper coffee filters that we watched.
	- We would make horrible detectives We've gotten a root of nothing here.
	Cleaning coffee filters.
	Okay, so boss, we don't have a ton of time, but man, I hope to have you back.
	It's interesting to hear this story and people who come here and how their views change and they become Americans.
	Let me ask you this kind of finally, because how long have you been in the United States now?
	How long have you been a citizen?
	Actually, tomorrow, 20 years.
	Wow!
	Congratulations, 20 years.
	It's the Liberation Day from Holland.
	It's the day we got married.
	It's the day our dog was born.
	It's the day we met each other, my wife and I, 25 years ago.
	So, yeah.
	So you've been married for 20 years?
	We're together 25 years.
	25 years?
	Man, you must be quite the catch to nail down El Wapo, because he was known to be quite the...
	What was that?
	To hang out with me for that time in my fighting time.
	I was a little crazy guy.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, she's a saint.
	Let me tell you that.
	She'll go straight to heaven, that one.
	She's amazing.
	That's rare, though, for someone in a high profile.
	You know, obviously, well, you're in California and in the entertainment industry.
	It's rare for someone to be married that long.
	And I don't know what it's like in Europe, but in French Canada, people generally don't get married.
	They just sort of cohabitate.
	As a matter of fact, in Canada and Quebec, I'm sure you've been there, because it's a huge MMA area.
	If you see a wedding ring, almost guaranteed anglophone in Canada.
	French Canadians don't get married.
	And most of my European friends either don't get married who I've known or they get married later.
	But it seems like that's atypical, certainly, of the entertainment industry.
	And maybe Europe?
	I mean, 25 years.
	Is that just something you always knew?
	You wanted to be with one person and just made it work?
	No, she's just perfect for me.
	I mean, everything is there.
	You know, it's weird.
	I think...
	At least like 10, 11 years, there's no fighting in this house.
	There's no screaming in this house.
	There's no words in their house.
	That simply won't happen.
	It's very rare that we say, hey, no, no.
	That would be as loud as it.
	That's it.
	People go like, man, this is so crazy.
	All my friends, they ask if she has sisters.
	Everybody goes, where did you find her?
	Did they make her in a laboratory?
	What happened?
	I don't know what happened, but something happened.
	God put us in contact, and suddenly...
	Well, okay, here's another thing.
	I'm sorry, but it's just a cultural difference.
	So you say, you know, you say God.
	Every person I've known from Deutschland, you know, distinctly kind of unchurched, distinctly more agnostic, atheist.
	Like, it's not a super...
	Here, obviously, sort of, you have way more...
	It's not a secret.
	You have way more of an evangelical Christian community.
	So were you raised that way, or was that something you came to in the States?
	I came to the States.
	I was raised that way until I was 12 years old.
	Then it stopped.
	And then I got distracted because that's where all the atheists started coming in with knowing it better and with the books.
	And then my mom and dad, they started actually believing that BS. And, you know, so slowly but surely, you know, that happens.
	And you don't go to church anymore.
	And then five years ago.
	About five years ago, I was just sitting in on a conference about life.
	Not even about God, just about life.
	And the way he was explaining that, he's a very smart guy, theologian, Leo Severino.
	That was just, I was like, dude, that was so much that...
	It felt together for me.
	I go, this is crazy.
	Now, at the set, there was also the world-renowned Father Ripperger, who's an exorcist, straight with the Vatican, who does the worst cases.
	And, of course, that was the Navy SEAL 6 team member for me under the priest, that guy.
	So, I wanted to talk to him.
	The stories you hear, you go crazy.
	Now, you have to understand, I had a run-in with a ghost.
	in my house and a bad spirit and that's why also for me it's easier to correlate because people are making that up no no no it's not making up if it happens 25 times you know it's really it was really heavy it's really pushed me in the bed really it was really attacking me until the final day I just at three o'clock in the middle of the night you know you want to do the opposite of what Jesus passed away at three so three o'clock at night they say is the most activity and that's where I went under the spot We're always where it appeared and I just challenged
	it for an hour and it stopped after us.
	We saw the curtains, we saw somebody running through the curtains, my entire family, curtains flying up to the ceiling, not like somebody to the ceiling.
	I was 100% certain there was somebody in the house.
	I ran to the other side, but nobody was in the house.
	Everything was locked, doors were locked, windows were locked, and even if the windows were open, I mean the carpet, it flew up against the ceiling.
	There was a lot of activity, and I heard about these near-death experience, people who go away and who see other things in the room next door, who know exactly in the next door what the people were saying there.
	Hey, my father was smoking.
	He never smoked.
	So they come back and they say, why were you smoking?
	How do you know?
	Well, I actually was floating above you guys, and I heard the whole conversation.
	So I know 100% there is something.
	I refuse to believe there is not something after this life.
	This is just a test.
	We're on this...
	You know, everything there is without time and space.
	Here is the only place where we have time.
	So I truly believe this is just a race.
	It's just a race.
	We've got a good person to let that go up.
	We have some listeners coming to Red Boss Root and they're like coming from the Joe Rogan podcast or saying, I haven't smoked enough pot yet for this conversation.
	They're not ready for it.
	But that's fascinating.
	My closest near death experience now pales in comparison.
	I was getting turned over in a kayak and I thought I was going to die because I couldn't get out.
	That was it.
	I don't know if you've ever been a kayak, like an old kayak, but it's impossible to get out unless you know how to flip back over.
	And I thought I was going to die.
	That's about it.
	That's my near-death experience.
	It's not nearly as interesting.
	You had one.
	Yeah, I had one.
	Oh, fascinating.
	All right, but we have to bring you back, and we can talk about so much more, too.
	We have Andrew Klavan.
	Do we have Andrew Klavan coming up?
	Andrew Klavan coming up.
	Andrew Klavan coming up.
	So, Boss, where's the best place for people to find you?
	You know, I do.
	I'm, again, an old guy, I guess, right?
	Facebook is where I have a lot of activity on my Facebook account.
	On my Twitter, Boss Ruthen.
	Facebook is just facebook.com slash Boss Ruthen.
	Twitter, that's where I answer pretty much all questions.
	So people ask me questions, boss with an MMA. And then on Instagram, that's where I show pictures here and there.
	But I'm not a big guy into that for some reason.
	I'm getting more into it, but that's...
	You need to channel your inner male model again for Instagram.
	That's what you need to do.
	That's all it is.
	It's just big...
	Yeah, there you go.
	And don't you have a podcast you're doing?
	I have a podcast together with Mauro Ranallo.
	We're actually going to shoot it in half an hour.
	We're going to do it.
	The ad's going to be released tomorrow.
	It's a fun podcast.
	It's where we're going to talk about cannabinoids.
	We have that person.
	We interview that person who's completely cured.
	just using CBD oil and a good diet.
	Didn't do chemo, didn't take any pills, didn't do anything.
	And it's completely stage four, completely cured.
	So there's a lot of power there.
	I'm in a group called Athletes for Care.
	It's all about help athletes, professional athletes, because I'm talking with a lot of other football players who are on that board as well.
	Everybody go, you know, the Vicodins, the pain pills, It's such an ugly drug.
	It's so addicting.
	And the CBD does the same thing, but it's not addictive.
	So I want people to be informed.
	I'm going to do schools here.
	I do the school talks already for kids who go to college.
	Every year I talk for 500 kids and I tell them what they can expect.
	But now it's going to be added.
	The CBD thing is going to be added.
	I'm going to go, guys, you know, because once it starts there, it's a scary documentary.
	It goes from actually content to heroin because it's cheaper to use heroin.
	Yeah, I've seen that.
	We had a comic on here too, Artie Lang, who ran through that problem.
	So it's a matter of fact, he was actually advised.
	He's open about it, so I'm not outing him.
	He was advised to use heroin because, you know, since it was directly injected, bypasses the liver.
	So he's told, like, it's actually, if you're taking all these pills, it's better to take the heroin.
	But Vosrutin Elwapo, which means the handsome one.
	So now you see why.
	He's seen it as a webcam.
	Thank you so much, sir.
	We have to go, but we'll have to have you back soon to talk more about everything.
	Yeah, if you want to dive into something deeper, then we have the time for that.
	Oh, we dive into something deeper.
	Look at him leaving insulting right before.
	We have music playing.
	There's music.
	I don't know, I hear what's happening.
	It's easy.
	It just isn't done that well.
	The son of the queen of the life.
	You are going home.
	Why are you here?
	Tell me, YouTube.
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	You can't say that seriously.
	There's going to be an ongoing series.
	Mug Club is truly, with the amount of people who've joined, an uprising.
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	We're supposed to start this week, but then there was a glitch with the...
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	it.
	Don't be cheap.
	And I don't want nobody.
	I want nobody.
	And I don't want nobody.
	You got that right.
	And I don't want nobody.
	All right.
	Glad to have our next guest.
	Always love him on the program, but the problem is we always talk before the program.
	That's true.
	And then we're sitting there like, this is the show.
	What are you doing?
	We'll talk during the commercial break, and it'll make some point.
	So you know him, you follow him at Andrew Klavan on the Twitter.
	He has a fantastic book out, The Great Good Thing.
	You can read it on Amazon.
	Read it on it.
	You can order it on Amazon.
	Nobody reads the book on Amazon.
	I just totally misspoke.
	It's like Stephen Colbert trying to understand social media.
	You can read it on the books of the faces.
	Aren't I cool kid?
	Hipparoos.
	And he just recently spoke at, well, Andrew Klavan's show, obviously at Daily Wire, good friends at Daily Wire, just recently spoke at Oberlin College there, right, Andrew Klavan?
	I did, I did.
	I was a smash hit with people trying to smash me and hit me.
	With you!
	I would imagine as a conservative you're somewhat used to being heckled.
	You know, I'm really not.
	I have to be honest with you.
	All that happened was I got heckled.
	And at the same time, Ann Coulter was being attacked and threatened.
	So I felt it was pretty mild.
	But I will say that normally I'm invited to speak in front of conservatives.
	And it didn't really even occur to me until the last minute that I was walking onto the most liberal, one of the most liberal colleges in the country, and that people might be upset to have me there.
	But I still have this kind of innocence of thinking like, oh, but I'm such a nice fellow.
	Why would anybody...
	And when they started heckling me...
	I'm half Jewish.
	The faculty will love me.
	There's a scene in the novel War and Peace where this young Russian soldier sees the French charging over the hill and he says, they want to kill me.
	Me, whom everyone loves.
	That was the way I felt.
	I thought, how are you heckling me?
	This is the point where I smile and I'm not like I've read War and Peace and it doesn't just occupy space on my bookshelf as a gun case.
	Don't worry.
	Nobody thinks you've read War and Peace.
	Exactly.
	That's not happening.
	No, it's not.
	You know, it's funny that you bring that up.
	I want to go back to Oberlin, but I have not read War and Peace.
	I won't lie.
	I have not read War and Peace.
	I have not read a page of it.
	And when I went to college, we didn't read Mark Twain.
	We didn't read any of the American classics.
	None of it.
	We read, like, Tears of a Tiger and all the social justice crap, especially in Canada.
	Even back then, I was reading it.
	I'm like, are you sure this is really what I should be reading in English literature?
	But there are a lot of things.
	Like, I was sitting there thinking about the Korean War.
	You know, I know a ton of...
	I know very little about the Korean War.
	I know old, like, bastards who get mad.
	Like, I was in Korea!
	But I've studied Vietnam, but I don't know the ins and outs of the Korean War.
	And it's dangerous to say that on this program, because someone will then try and quiz me next on the Korean War.
	But there are a lot of things where you say, you know what, I really should learn more.
	I felt that way about the First World War.
	I'm like, everyone talks...
	The Second World War gets so much attention.
	I don't know what's first.
	It's not complicated.
	The Germans are assholes.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're like, oh, the Germans, of course.
	Now I get it.
	The First World War, see, the thing is, you know, I lived overseas for a long time.
	The First World War wiped out a generation of men.
	So over there, you know, in Europe, it's huge in the same way like every little village in America has a Civil War monument on the East Coast.
	Yeah.
	Every, every tiny village lost like, you know, a thousand guys in World War I. When I was there, I read, seriously, this is absolutely true, I read at least 20 books about World War I. And when it was over, when I was finished, I still didn't know why it had started.
	The Germans being Germans, they're always a problem.
	It was kind of like Europe was saying, you know, things are going so well, let's kill everyone, you know?
	Let's commit suicide.
	It was the end of European civilization.
	Apparently Kim Jong-un's been reading the same books and getting ideas.
	Oh, chapter 42!
	All right!
	You can kill everyone for no reason.
	Hey, hey, how many people can I kill with a cherry bomb?
	So, alright, let's come back to Oberlin.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, so you get heckled.
	Here's the thing, here's the thing.
	Most of the people, I would say in a room, I don't know, let's guess 50 people.
	I'm not very good at that, but let's say 50 people.
	In that room, I would say 40-50% of them were left-wing kids.
	And they were polite.
	They were charming.
	They got up afterwards and asked me questions.
	And it was great.
	We had a really interesting exchange.
	I was really interested in talking to them.
	Three or four of these people were rude, nasty little people.
	And two of them, I swear, needed psychiatric care.
	Yeah.
	I mean, one of them was like, obviously he had some kind of gender dysphoria.
	I was going to say, was he a tranny?
	Yeah, I was going to go first question.
	It was bizarre.
	And comes in and puts his feet up on the chair and throws his sleeveless arm open and all this stuff.
	So I'm looking up his armpit.
	And I just thought, you know, you think people hate you because you're gay.
	They hate you because you're a lout.
	Yeah.
	As soon as I look that up on Wikipedia, I'm going to be pissed.
	Yeah, I, uh, you know...
	Synonym asshole.
	Okay, I get it.
	Oh, I get it.
	Maybe it's me.
	But it's like we talked about that transgender on campus who...
	Did you see that where the guy...
	Did you see that one where the transgender at Berkeley just freaked out and the guy where he...
	This person, we still don't know if it's male.
	350 orange hair.
	Yeah, 350 pounds, orange hair, crumpling up a Trump flag.
	And the guy goes, oh, what a big man you are.
	And he goes, shut your mouth.
	I'm an effing woman.
	And it's clear the guy wasn't trying to troll the tranny, because the guy's response is just...
	He doesn't know what to say.
	He's thinking, I'm going to get a call from the dean.
	And that's what we talk about.
	It's a subspecies.
	They actually don't have a lot in common with your run-of-the-mill tranny.
	You know, your RuPaul's, the people who just kind of want to be bitchy in that section of the bar with the cool kids.
	This is a whole subspecies of gender, fluid, pansexuality.
	It really only exists on campus.
	And, you know, the terrible thing about it is, I'm sorry, but a lot of it is mental illness.
	And to tell a guy with a mental illness, this is what I came away with.
	This is what I came away with.
	These university leftists are mean.
	It's mean.
	It is mean to tell a guy with a problem that his problem is society instead of, you know, his mind.
	You know, nothing that society does for this guy is going to make him any happier.
	And to tell him that if he can just get everyone to agree that he's a woman, poof, he'll be a woman, you know, I mean, ain't going to happen.
	Clavin!
	Oh, Clavin!
	Feels like the Muppet guys are going to show up.
	Oh, where do you get these jokes?
	There's no trendy consensus.
	Well, that must be the Gentile half!
	You know, I think you're right.
	Here's what's so crazy.
	Like I said, it's probably a handful out of even the 40 or 50% of the students who are left.
	So the rest of them are right.
	Half of them, let's say, left.
	Let's just do it for easy numbers.
	50% conservative, 50% left, and, you know, single-digit percentage points of these kids who are left.
	But the faculty acquiesces to them.
	The late night shows acquiesce to them.
	The Democratic National Platform acquiesce to them.
	The Women's March acquiesces to them.
	These people represent.001% of population Earth, but they occupy such a huge portion of the American cultural spectrum.
	I've got to imagine people are seeing it.
	And also, let's get down to the fact that these are kids.
	These are people whose...
	Your brain doesn't even form fully until you're 25 years old.
	These are kids.
	The professors and the administration are in charge of them and are their mentors.
	They have, on Oberlin, they have a black dorm.
	They have a dorm for black people.
	Oh, for black people.
	I just thought you meant it was like, it's the black dorm where you never go and come back.
	It's the Negro dorm, baby!
	That's the pirate dorm.
	Look at this spot.
	That's the butt pirate dorm where David Dow, Dr.
	David Dow goes, ah, Percocet!
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	No, this is where the black kids, you know, you leave college, you grow up in a place where everybody you know is black or Italian or Irish or Jewish or whatever.
	You leave college, you're supposed to meet all these different people and realize, oh, I hate these people.
	Let me go back home.
	You're not supposed to expand.
	You're mine.
	And instead, they've got these kids hiding away in their little black dorm.
	I mean, Martin Luther King would roll over in his grave.
	Seriously, I was thinking people in my generation walked unarmed into the teeth of guns and clubs and dogs to get you out of this situation.
	And you're so scared of being slighted, you going back in.
	It's insane.
	Telling them that they're victims.
	I was talking to Christina Hoffsommers because she spoke before me a couple of months before me and got protested and all that.
	She said the women were going into their safe spaces because they were triggered because she told them they weren't victims.
	They weren't oppressed.
	That's what triggered them.
	Oh my God, I'm not oppressed.
	The tits, though!
	No, I'm telling you.
	It's not just about the tits!
	It's not!
	What?!
	Naomi Wolf told me!
	I just read Naomi Wolf!
	I'm very confused!
	Here's the thing.
	I'm with you, and it is remarkable, though, that these people have as much pull as they do.
	I mean...
	Again, if you read HuffPo, Salon, AOL, any of these mainstream websites, and we're not just talking about leftist websites either, just any site that's not right-wing, it's as though there's this unwritten agreement, like, oh yeah, she, yeah.
	I couldn't find out who it was, even on campus reform, a conservative site, this 300-pound person with orange hair, said, I'm a woman, you better respect, they described this person as transgender.
	I swear to you, we had a 20-minute roundtable where we're going, well, hold on a second.
	It looks like a man, but saying he's a woman is kind of like just lack of any muscle tissue, so fat.
	So it's really hard to determine.
	So is this a male-to-female transgender?
	Is this a female-to-male transgender?
	I still wouldn't put any money down on it, but I think lesbian.
	You just think a big old standard run-of-the-mill lesbian?
	Run-of-the-mill.
	And none of us, because the article just acted like, this is a transgender.
	It's like, well, hold on a second.
	This is key information we need to know.
	And they act in the world, like, oh, yeah, sure, yeah, 300-pound orange-haired mohawk.
	Well, yeah, you know.
	Well, exactly.
	That's a person who probably needs some help, you know, and, like, telling him that his world is terrible because you're in it.
	You know, the world is a little more terrible because you're in it, but, I mean, his particular world Right, I know.
	I'm gonna teach you to have no integrity.
	I'm glad you've come to Oberlin, because when you come here, we're gonna teach you to have no integrity, lie to get ahead, and that's the life lesson we give you.
	- Right, I know. - It's like, Thank you so much.
	I appreciate that.
	You say most liberal campus in the United States.
	I mean, at that point, you're talking about a difference, maybe like a single percentage point.
	Like Oberlin, it's like, well, I don't know.
	Maybe if you go to Cornell, maybe it's like 94% liberal as opposed to 95%.
	At a certain point, it doesn't matter anymore.
	It really is this just horrible sort of manifestation of the worst that humanity has to offer.
	And they're in this unholy alliance with the media, the entertainment industry, and academia.
	And it doesn't even represent the left in the United States, like a lot of people who voted for Hillary Clinton.
	Yeah, I think that's right.
	I think it doesn't.
	You know, it represents...
	I mean, the left has this whole thing about...
	That somehow speaking the truth is unvirtuous.
	They have this whole idea that it's really so much better to say he's a woman because why would you hurt his feelings?
	And you go like, well, the truth actually matters.
	You know, the truth kind of sets it free and establishes, you know, we can all talk about the truth because we agree what it is.
	But they actually think that the reality will change because they describe it differently.
	If you describe this guy as a woman, somehow he'll be healthier of mind and happy and that's going to take away the fact that inside his mind he's going, I'm in hell!
	Get me out of my head!
	It's a living hell!
	It's not going away because we call him a show.
	No, it's not going away.
	You ever just wake up and you just want to scream into your coffee mug at the top of your lungs?
	No, I think I'm a man.
	I don't think that's the issue.
	And it is sad because we have people like Blair White on and Theron Meyer and people who are transgender who openly talk about this.
	And I've talked about it as someone who actually has, you know, struggled with, we've talked about like mental health issues with ADHD, which manifested as like severe depression at one point.
	They thought all kinds of things were wrong with me as a kid.
	Well, imagine if they just said, oh, you know what?
	He's just, he's fine.
	Let him be that way.
	And they didn't actually try to help me.
	It's your fault for calling him sad.
	If you would just call him happy, then he'd be happy.
	It's like talking to somebody with an eating disorder.
	You're like, yeah, you weigh 60 pounds, you look great.
	No, you are a little fat.
	When you say you're a little fat, go ahead, starve yourself, and when you're dead, we'll say you're alive, and then you'll be alive.
	It's great.
	It's a perfect system.
	We're like Lena Dunham.
	We talk about this.
	Lena Dunham lost weight.
	And hats off to her.
	We're like, look, she looks better.
	And she goes, you know what?
	I did it for me, not for anybody else.
	But I feel better.
	I sleep better.
	And let me tell you something, people.
	Endorphins are real.
	And we're sitting like...
	We've been saying this this whole time, and you've been just saying we're hate speakers.
	It's because we want what's good for you.
	It really is just like a parent with a child.
	It's like, listen, don't put your hand on a stove.
	No!
	Don't put your hand on a stove.
	It's going to hurt.
	No, whatever.
	And they put it on, and it keeps burning.
	And they're like, you know what?
	When their hand is all bandaged up like Liam Neeson in Darkman, they're finally saying, you know what?
	I actually think it's better to not touch the stove.
	They're like, well, yeah, we've been telling you that the whole time.
	That's what's happening with today's lesson.
	And for Lena Dunham now, when she takes her shirt off, people won't press the remote, you know?
	Yeah.
	People may actually not stop watching the show.
	I wouldn't go that far.
	They might just go from 4K to standard def.
	This is FCC show, Clay, but we don't tolerate that kind of imagery.
	Yeah, seriously.
	I don't know what he is.
	Good lord.
	At least I probably won't have to scratch out my eyes.
	That was my usual reaction.
	Like, blind me!
	I cannot look into it!
	I know.
	HBO Girls was like, let's just take a...
	Well, that's not true.
	Linda Dunham is really the most unattractive one on that show.
	There are some other girls who are attractive on that show.
	She's like a swollen thumb.
	Oh, God.
	That was such a sexist thing.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	No, David Gergen looks the same.
	It's a genre of people.
	It's not about the gender.
	It's about the genre of human being.
	Gergen, Karl Rove, Lena Dunham.
	They could have been on that MTV some show by Steve Odenberg.
	Okay, so this happened, and that was an eye-opener for you.
	We were talking about this, you know, working in the entertainment industry, living out in Los Angeles.
	You know, Jimmy Kimmel...
	Obviously the news of this weekend, what happened with his son was horrible.
	And when I first saw the story, I just saw the first segment where he was talking about his son.
	It was very touching and moving and, you know, look at the modern miracle of medical innovation and science.
	Wow, that's incredible.
	I'm glad his son's okay.
	I didn't see the second portion where it goes, by the way, Trump sucks.
	I was like, well, how do you get to that pivot?
	And that happened, and you were talking about this earlier, the Stephen Colbert, his comment on Donald Trump, Putin.
	Unbelievable, yeah.
	What was – because I don't want to – what was his term that he said about Donald Trump with Putin?
	What was the term?
	He said the only good thing about Trump's mouth is it's a cock holster for Putin, Vladimir Putin.
	It's a funny word.
	I'll give him that.
	Funny word.
	But it's like if that were you saying that, suddenly the gaze would be outside your door, like banging on the door.
	But because he's anti-Trump, it's okay.
	First of all, the guy's not that funny.
	I mean, he was kind of funny when he was imitating Bill O'Reilly, but he's not that funny on the show.
	And secondly, does every single late-night comic have to be an anti-Trump On an anti-Trump tirade every night?
	Yeah.
	I mean, isn't that a little boring?
	And, you know, the fact that people like Samantha Bee, Samantha Bee and Trevor Noah are like sucking comedy out of the air.
	I know.
	Like, the world was a funnier place before they got there.
	I mean, they have now, you know, it kind of makes your cheeks cave in like it's anti-laugh.
	It's like pre and post fall of Skynet.
	You know, I just, when I see them and turn on their theme songs, I'll hear it.
	It's terrible.
	But you look at Colbert's ratings.
	His ratings are great.
	I don't think Colbert is terrible.
	I think Colbert can be funny.
	I think Kimmel can be funny.
	I don't think Samantha Bee...
	Samantha Bee and Trevor Noah have never been entertaining accidentally.
	It's remarkable.
	But why do they all have to...
	I mean, is there...
	You're kind of funny.
	I mean, is there nobody funny?
	You were funny once.
	It was a Thursday, I remember.
	It happened at one point.
	I mean, is there nobody that they can find who at least would tow a different line so that people could change channels and say, oh, that's a funny pro-Trump joke?
	No?
	I mean, it's all got to be the same thing?
	You know, and we got so much flack, too.
	I think a lot of the right, they claim they want it, but they don't really want it because, you know, we do this show and it was just, listen, it's comedic gold.
	It was nothing but jokes about Bill O'Reilly groping his interns.
	And the thing is, it was so great for me because I had to stay silent this whole time and I knew he did it!
	I worked at Fox News.
	Everyone who worked at Fox News knew that he did it.
	Everyone knew that Bill O'Reilly was guilty.
	And so it's kind of like, oh, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke.
	I've been writing this for so long.
	We're like, we need to stick together.
	I'm like, well, who's we?
	He's not a conservative, A. And B, we make fun of Trump.
	We're going to make fun of Ben Carson because he's hysterical.
	And I think he's the sweetest guy alive.
	And I think a lot of people, you know, you want to be the world's most powerful genie.
	And everything that comes with it.
	And they don't really want that.
	I think you're right.
	I think that's right.
	I think the left knows that.
	I think the left is like, just keep anything that will offend us in a box.
	Put it away.
	Whereas the right is like, yeah, bring on the comedy.
	And then when they get something that bothers them, they have an issue with it.
	And I just think it's just harder to sort of get the right on one page.
	I think it's It's clickbait for leftists.
	I think clickbait, just like it was pro-Trump, pro-Trump, pro-Trump for all the right-wing websites leading up to the election all the way through the primaries, I think it's just cheap comedy.
	They know that, look at Colbert's ratings.
	They're not bad right now.
	They're actually doing pretty well, and I think it's easy territory to tread, and I think that just keep doing what's working.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And what happens is it's a vicious circle because as they lose their right-wing audience, their only audience they can get is left-wing, so they just have to double down and keep bringing them in or else they run out of audience.
	Yeah, no, of course.
	And, you know, Maureen Dowd, bless her heart, has actually spoken about this.
	She said, my audience does not want to read, during the election, she said, my audience does not want to read bad things about Hillary Clinton.
	And Dowd has always been very honest about the Clintons.
	She's one of the few people on the left who actually went after them.
	And she said, you know, they do not want to hear it.
	They don't want to hear it.
	So you open the New York Times now, a former newspaper, you know, and it is like, I mean, it is like, it's like walking into a room of, you know, women after they've seen a mouse, you know, like fashion women.
	It is like people jumping on chairs, screaming.
	I mean, you know, where is it?
	Where is it?
	You know, it's like, it's Donald Trump, Donald Trump.
	I mean, it's amazing.
	And I think that that is a problem on the right, too.
	I really do.
	I mean, if you can't make jokes about Bill O'Reilly chasing women around the desk, after all, we're conservatives.
	We're supposed to be nice to women, you know?
	I know.
	I mean, I've been looking into how much it would cost to actually have a cuckoo clock where instead of the pirate running out chasing the beer maid, it's Bill O'Reilly chasing his EP. I had a cuckoo!
	Come on, look it out for the folks!
	It would be in this corner, nonstop.
	And I know he's...
	The no spin zone.
	Which is ironic, because that's what he called his interns.
	The ones he favorite most were spinners.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Fair point.
	You did work at Fox.
	I've never worked at Fox.
	Was it true that everybody knew this was going on?
	Okay, I can't speak for everybody.
	Did I know?
	Yes.
	And I came out right away when the stuff came out with Sean Hannity.
	I said, no, listen.
	And I know Debbie Schlussel.
	She's a crazy person.
	I have no evidence whatsoever.
	It's not common knowledge with Sean Hannity.
	If it were, it would be a surprise.
	And I openly, I put my money on the line.
	And by the way, we just saw another person leave Fox News.
	If you go back and read, I said, listen, there are going to be two more people, I guarantee you, information is going to come out about.
	And one of them will be directly affiliated, I think, with Sean Hannity.
	And I think they're going to try and use that by proxy to hurt Sean.
	But I said, I have no evidence.
	As a matter of fact, I have evidence to the opposite.
	When he used to do his freedom tours, he was very careful, just from an intelligence standpoint, to not be alone with women who weren't his wife.
	He would often leave.
	He wouldn't stay at the same hotel as other people.
	He was very...
	He's always struck me as a very honorable guy.
	Yes.
	He just seems like a really straight arrow guy.
	Right.
	Yeah, he's a gentleman.
	But the difference is, Bill O'Reilly did it.
	I think, you know, and I can just say from what I've constantly heard walking the halls at Fox, you know, it was just an assumed truth, and several names that were outed.
	One of them I knew was a friend of mine, and I had heard this before, so it didn't come to me as a surprise.
	It doesn't mean that everyone is guilty, and I hate that they're going to try and do this as a headshot by proxy to everyone else.
	Right, right.
	But, yeah, I think he'd, yeah.
	But, you know, it is funny.
	When I first went to Fox, I think it was to be on the Gutfeld show, and I said to Greg, you know, this is like bizarro high school because it's all the nerdy guys with the most beautiful women on earth, you know?
	And so it's like the opposite of high school where the nerdy guys never got anywhere near those women.
	And that may have been a bad formula.
	Yeah.
	It's like all those guys who couldn't get dates in high school were suddenly going, look, I'm here!
	I've got to make sure all the sun shines.
	Let's pair them with a bunch of women on the leg cams and convince them that it's not because they have money.
	What could possibly go wrong here?
	I've had the worst recall today, but I remember what I was going to talk about.
	You were talking about these kids on Oberlin College.
	First thing I do is I say, hey, Google, good morning, and it gives me the news of the day and the temperature, and I have this little Google Home thing.
	But I make sure it's not listening when I unplug it.
	Anyways, conspiracies aside.
	Because Google, they're always watching you.
	Alexa or Google, they actually, it's in the fine print.
	They can listen always.
	It's a learning computer.
	Really?
	Yes, you have to manually say, Google, mute yourself.
	Or, hey, Alexa, stop listening.
	Otherwise, it's always listening.
	It's written in the pamphlet.
	Anyway, I say, hey, Google.
	And it's playing news from NPR, because that's the default.
	And there was some kind of protest.
	I don't know if it was talking about May Day or what it was.
	But there was someone yelling.
	It was on a college campus.
	It might have been Berkeley.
	And they were screaming, I swear to you, a bunch of people chanting out, We have nothing to lose but our chains!
	We have nothing to lose but our chains!
	Hold on a second.
	Your scholarship based on minority status, your well-paying job, your master's degree in German poetry that your parents subsidize.
	You have a lot more to lose than your chains.
	This is like at Yale, they're having this symbolic hunger strike.
	What's a symbolic hunger strike?
	It's where you don't eat until you're hungry and then you eat, you know?
	That is the academic left in a nutshell, though.
	It's like symbolic actions against symbolic oppression that's not actually happening.
	I know.
	And it makes you a symbolic hero.
	I took symbolic action against symbolic oppression.
	You fail to understand.
	They're not the hero that campus needs, but the symbol it deserves.
	All right.
	Andrew Klavan, where can people best find you, sir?
	Listen to the podcast on The Daily Wire, and you can come and find me on Twitter at Andrew Klavan.
	At Andrew Klavan, The Andrew Klavan Show.
	Highly recommend it.
	Also, Ben Shapiro's over there.
	Good guy.
	Good guys.
	Thank you guys.
	We'll be back.
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	This guy needs to shut up.
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	You know, we were talking about this earlier today.
	And we were talking about it earlier in the show.
	It just kind of hit me.
	The left, we're in this modern movement, right?
	Self-esteem movement.
	Which is funny because I think the Generation Z people, below millennials, I think they're rejecting that.
	I think so.
	The whole culture of, like, no red pens.
	You're younger than I am.
	And you got it more than I did.
	I'm kind of at the top end of millennials.
	And we saw it coming.
	We're like, ugh, these asshats.
	You know?
	Oh, gosh.
	They can't lose a soccer game.
	And then you came in and you're like...
	We can't lose a soccer game!
	So there's kind of that middle, that eye of the tornado of millennials who are on board with it.
	Do tornadoes have eyes?
	Have they figured that one out?
	Did I say tornado?
	I meant her.
	Well, yeah, tornadoes all, you know, in the middle of a cyclone.
	I guess so.
	It's a cyclone.
	It's a tornado.
	It's a vortex.
	Do you have an idea how Vortex works?
	Anyways, Hurricane is the same thing, just bigger.
	But it's sort of been rejected by the generations.
	They're becoming more conservative, and I think they actually want to get by on their merits.
	And I think the reason for it is this whole modern self-esteem movement rings really hollow.
	You know, people need to have good self-esteem.
	Everyone should feel good about themselves.
	No.
	Everyone should have a good body image.
	Incorrect.
	Not everybody should have a good body image.
	Not everybody should feel good about themselves.
	We never used to have self-esteem movements because self-esteem was earned.
	If you accomplished crap, you had good self-esteem.
	And if you didn't, you had horrible self-esteem and deservedly so.
	That's what it used to be.
	But once we just...
	And this is, they're inextricably tied, the modern, the progressive left, and the self-esteem movement.
	You are not going to find any conservatives, any right-wingers, any libertarians saying, you shouldn't be able to use a red pen in a test because that hurts somebody's feelings.
	Maybe some kind of alt-right populist, but no.
	Conservatism is about rugged individualism.
	It is about taking responsibility for your own actions.
	This modern self-esteem movement...
	100% the progressive, regressive left, to use Dave Rubin's phrase.
	And what's crazy about it is they talk about how everyone deserves self-esteem.
	You should feel good about yourself.
	Yet, as we saw today, they don't believe that you can accomplish anything.
	We talked about that earlier in the week, how there are kind of ties between masculinity and limited government and constitutionalism and femininity, the feelings and liberalism, where, you know, men don't tend to get as jealous as women do.
	Tend to be more inspired by other successful people.
	Yeah.
	They're lifted and brought up.
	Right.
	They don't want to bring the people down.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And they don't travel in herds, you know, in the same way whether they...
	Well, some people do.
	They're called bikers.
	Your bandana's not fooling anybody.
	Anyway, the point is, there are ties there with rugged individualism.
	Again, I don't believe that you can truly be a man and mock the idea, as Michael Moore does, of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.
	You're not a man.
	You're a woman with a slightly larger pouch.
	That's how I see you.
	A man has got to believe that he can provide for his family.
	A man has got to believe that he can rest on his own laurels.
	A man has got to believe that he is worth something and adds something, brings something to the table.
	It's a huge part of what is the makeup of a man.
	On a microcosm level, I don't know.
	I don't relate to it.
	Because even if I have just a bad day where I feel like, man, I really phoned it in today, I don't sleep as well.
	I sleep so much better knowing, hey, I worked my butt off today to accomplish something.
	And I can't imagine going my whole life feeling like I phoned it in, but I patted myself on the back when I got home at night and said, hey, I deserve this beer because I'm going to rest well.
	I don't relate to that.
	Or cider rye, as you text cider rye all night.
	It was good.
	I'm glad you enjoyed the bottle I sent to you.
	But that is true.
	And you know what?
	A good way for a wife to get a husband in a fight, I know this, and I know it with my dad, with any man I know, or a partner, is if you feel as though you've come up short, and then to say, oh, I'm sure you did great.
	Oh, I'm sure...
	For a woman to say, or a partner, for all of our listeners out there, Chad with AIDS, love you, to say, I'm sure you did fine.
	And you know that they have no idea what the situation is.
	Even if you do think that you get mad because it rings hollow.
	I used to say this to my wife.
	I'm like, don't say that because you have no idea.
	Maybe I did screw up.
	No, I didn't.
	But maybe I did.
	But when you say that, and then I know and I tell you that I didn't screw up and that I was dealt a bad hand today.
	And you say, hey, cheer up.
	It rings hollow.
	Because you're just saying, they're there.
	It's like, I don't want you to be a cheerleader.
	I just want you to just, I don't want you to doggy pile on my enemies.
	Maybe I really screwed up.
	Yeah.
	And it's okay to call it out.
	Exactly.
	Well, not call out, but okay to certainly bring forward, you know, hey, maybe you can do this better.
	Now, on the flip side, women get mad at that.
	Everyone knows that.
	Women go, listen, I just want to be able to vent and know that you're listening.
	I don't want you to offer solutions to problems.
	These are some of the biggest fights I had with my wife in the first couple of years.
	She was like, I just need to know that you're listening.
	I don't need you to offer a solution.
	Whereas men feel better if it's not a they're there, but there's some kind of solution-oriented conversation.
	We know that.
	This is a part of our genetic makeup.
	But self-esteem is the they're there.
	It is the universal pat on the back.
	And these same people saying, they're there, you should have self-esteem, are telling you, you can't pay for your own health care.
	You need the government to create a mandate.
	You need publicly funded insurance.
	They're saying, you can't save for your own retirement.
	You need Social Security.
	You need the government to tell you how to save your money.
	They're telling you that you can't find a good job, that you can't move up.
	It's the 1%.
	The cards are stacked against you.
	You've been dealt a bad hand.
	You need us.
	But by the way, you should feel...
	You can accomplish nothing...
	Without us, don't you feel good about yourself?
	There's nothing wrong with femininity either, but isn't it funny how, at least this is purely anecdotal, but all the really super far-left social justice warrior type of friends in my life, people I know, all of them have strands of femininity that they present.
	The way they carry themselves out, they are the cat men.
	Yeah.
	They are, and it's like, there are some weird parallels there between, and there's nothing wrong with femininity when it's a woman, and marriage works great, and you can make it, it could be a beautiful thing.
	Again, because consoling is important, especially that balance with kids.
	Men can be pretty harsh with kids.
	Sure.
	I know my dad will do that with me, and he'll be like, oh.
	But you did screw up though, right?
	You know, when you're a kid, you don't want to hear that.
	As a kid, yeah, it's tough.
	But as mom would be the, they're there.
	That's great.
	But it's not great when creating a society.
	And this self-esteem movement, the big irony to me is that it tells you you can't accomplish anything.
	And boy, gee golly, shouldn't you feel great about it?
	And I think that if you believe that and if you vote for the people who tell you that you can't accomplish anything, to me, again, voting is just like voting with your dollar when you go and you decide to buy something.
	In that voting booth, it's like today's modern sacrificing a ram.
	There aren't a lot of sacrifices.
	There aren't a lot of moments of permanence today.
	A vote is one of them, where you put that in there and you don't get it back.
	You are voting right there.
	You are truly putting a stamp on it.
	This is what I believe.
	And if you put a stamp on it and say, this is what I believe, I believe that everybody else has to cover my mistakes.
	I believe that I can't provide for my family and myself.
	I believe that it's society's job to shoulder the burden for me.
	I don't think you should have self-esteem.
	We have gotten to the point it's still the same.
	It ties into everything.
	It's so crystal clear.
	Think about this.
	We have people, Netflix and Disney, going back and scrubbing scientific facts from 1990s science videos.
	Why?
	Because it could hurt someone's self-esteem.
	It's not.
	Well, the science was wrong.
	It could hurt someone's self-esteem.
	So we're against this bill because it could hurt someone's self-esteem and they need all this free stuff.
	We need to go back and remove this idea that your biological sex is determined by chromosomes.
	Why?
	Because it could hurt someone's self-esteem.
	We don't believe that people are capable of handling any criticism or any opposing viewpoint, which is largely why Patrick Moore, atmospheric science, sorry, PhD in ecology, his debate requests go completely unanswered from the left.
	There's a reason that we believe in a form of voices.
	There's a reason that we believe in a form of open debate.
	Because you know why?
	Most conservatives tend to have good self-esteem.
	And they're okay accepting win, lose, or draw.
	In my experience, the people I hang out with, the Andrew Klavans, the Ben Shapiros, the people in this room, we don't expect to win every time, but we expect to be given a chance at bat.
	The progressive left wants you to start at third base and tell you that you've deserved it.
	And you know that you didn't even bunt.
	You didn't even get a walk.
	And that is something that is incredibly corrosive.
	I'm really glad to see people rejecting it, but I do want you to think about it as you move on in your week and think about other people in your lives, other people who sit there and talk about self-esteem or who might be far leftists.
	And anytime a conversation comes up and you see this sort of congruent through line of someone else needs to fix this, I don't believe in myself, this could offend somebody, bring it in on the self-esteem movement.
	Well, you must really believe that these people have no self-esteem.
	Well, what do you mean?
	Well, if you think someone's going to kill their self because of a Bill Nye video, you really don't think a lot of the transgender community.
	What, what, what, what?
	Man, you must really think so little about yourself.
	Well, what are you talking about?
	If you don't believe that you can purchase health insurance at your age, which might cost you about $120 a month, you must really think that you can't provide.
	What, what, what, what?
	Oh man, gosh.
	You must really have no faith in your abilities.
	I mean, you have a college degree, but you're demanding that the government set some arbitrary, artificial minimum wage that's going to cause hyperinflation because you simply don't believe that you can move up in the workplace?
	That's sad.
	Have you thought about seeing someone?
	What, what, what?
	It all comes down to people not believing in themselves and telling everyone else that they should believe in themselves and reach for the stars.
	There's a star.
	Well, hold on.
	Let us get that for you.
	And I think that's no way to live.
	And that's why we do this show.
	And that's why we keep fighting back.
	That's why Mug Club exists.
	You know why?
	Because I think it's sad.
	And I think telling people that they deserve self-esteem when it's not earned This is a modern concept.
	Self-esteem, if not earned, rings completely hollow.
	It's a lie.
	Just like Ben Carson was talking about, we talked about that this week, with Urban Housing.
	He said, thank you, my stroke mouth factor.
	Where he said, no, we don't want to make it super comfortable.
	We want to encourage ambition.
	We want to encourage people to get out of these situations.
	To provide someone with a life of comfort, but with no ambition, under the guise of, hey, you should feel good about yourself no matter what, is to rob someone of, like what not KJR was talking about, is to rob someone of the most basic and the greatest joys that life has to offer.
	I think that.
	Don't rob yourself of it.
	Don't shortchange yourself.
	We'll see you next week, Mug Club members, on Monday, Thursday, for the Cheapskates.

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