Devin Nunes: Congress Must Investigate DOJ, FBI, and Beyond in November | Kash’s Corner
Disclaimer: Kash Patel is a board member of Trump Media & Technology Group, the company that owns Truth Social. On this special episode of Kash’s Corner, Kash Patel sits down with his old boss, former Congressman Devin Nunes, now CEO of Trump Media & Technology Group, to reflect on their time in Washington and what it was like trying to expose egregious misconduct in the Department of Justice, FBI, and beyond.“This was something that we never knew could exist—that you could somehow get a contractor that could become politicized to go out and use the powers of the state to essentially spy on your political opponents … That’s what happened,” says Nunes.They discuss lessons from the Michael Sussmann trial, what’s coming next in the Igor Danchenko trial, and how Nunes sees the Department of Justice and other agencies being held accountable if the gavel changes hands.“There’s going to have to be an investigation like none that’s ever been done before, directly at the Department of Justice and everything below,” argues Nunes.Follow EpochTV on social media:Twitter: https://twitter.com/EpochTVusRumble: https://rumble.com/c/EpochTVTruth Social: https://truthsocial.com/@EpochTVGettr: https://gettr.com/user/epochtvFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/EpochTVusGab: https://gab.com/EpochTVTelegram: https://t.me/EpochTV
Hey everybody and welcome to the Cash's Corner for the first time ever from Truth Social Headquarters with my dear friend and former boss, Devin Nunes, the current CEO of TMTG.
We're excited to have him.
We're excited to be in Sarasota, Florida.
Thanks to the team for having us, and we're gonna have a great episode.
So Devin, welcome to Cash's Corner.
Hey, welcome, welcome here to True Social Headquarters, man.
It's great to have you here.
Thanks so much for having us.
I would say I think I want to lead off with: did you ever think when you met me six years ago, this is where we would be doing a Cash's corner episode?
I thought you would be doing all the media.
No, well, look, I never even thought, you know, all those times, you know, back when we brought you on to work on the Russia Gate and the Russia hoax, you know, no one ever thought, I think even when you came on board at that time, no one thought that the government was that bad.
The Department of Justice was that corrupt, and that it would basically upend you know the entire country into what is now a fake scandal.
But I think we're still in that dark chapter of American history, and that's kind of what has resulted in you and I landing here today, is that you know I left Congress because I realized that our communications were down.
There was no way to communicate even with with one another.
And so that's what brings us here.
And Sarasota is the free speech capital of the world now.
It's got it's got truth and rumble.
It seems like it.
So, you know, we've never done we've done a lot of interviews together, we've had a lot of fun over the years, but this is kind of the first like for me from my perspective to do this with you.
So I think it's pretty cool, and I think our audience would love to hear like how did you first come on to Russia Gate and figure out we gotta get this investigation, we have to go big.
I've never really actually asked you that.
You know, people always ask me, how did you guys meet?
And you know, we tell them the story it's literally by chance through mutual friends, and but how did you know back then we had to go big on what we now call Russia Gate?
Well, it it was actually pretty simple uh because all through 14 and 15 and 16, I I watched how poorly the Obama administration and by Obama Biden administration was dealing with Putin.
If you if you recall during that time, there was there was one fiasco after another, whether it was the little green men going into Crimea, they shot down an airliner in Ukraine, remember all that.
And Obama and Biden refused to deal with Putin.
I mean, they continually back down to him.
They were, you know, always trying to cut deals with him, all these side deals.
Uh, you know, they played games in Ukraine back in 2014, you know, in the election, the Obama administration did.
None of that made any sense, and it finally led to me coming out in ironically in the spring of 2016, saying that this was the biggest intelligence failure since 9-11 2001 was our inability to understand Putin's plans and intentions.
So, and that as you can imagine, is as chairman of the Intelligence Committee, that's a pretty big statement.
No, I'm at the time, right?
And and here, you know, now you look back, think of that time period.
Spring of 16, I publicly go out and say this is the biggest intelligence failure since 9-11.
And meanwhile, secretly, DOJ, Obama, Biden, the Clinton campaign, they're all conspiring to smear the not just Trump, but the entire Republican Party that somehow, you know, the Republican Party is, you know, Russian assets, Putin, you know, Putin sympathizers, when it was, you know, the opposite was true.
So that that time period is important.
One of the things I said to you when you first asked me to come join your team, and it was the only thing I really cared about was accountability.
I said, look, I don't know Donald Trump, I hadn't met him, I hadn't talked to him at the time.
But I said, whatever we find, we put out there.
You know, we put for out for the American people to read, and you were like, absolutely, that's the goal of this investigation.
And one of the defining documents that I think not only has stood this test of time, but is going to be the way people look at how you publicize information, is the Nunez memo.
I mean, I kind of call it the Cash Memo, but uh we can we can quibble over that later.
But what made you come up with this idea to be like, we've got all this complex stuff, we've got FISA warrants, we've got underlying documents, we've got DOJ memorandums, we've got IC cables, all of it's classified.
You know, I don't think the people know the lift that it took from you as chairman to A, put that together, and then B, actually get it declassified and out there.
So I I think it would be fun to talk about that.
So you have to remember that we knew a lot of that information for almost a full year.
Yeah.
Or at least for eight or nine months.
And we had to sit on that and sit on it and sit on it.
Because if you if you recall, the Department of Justice, going back to you know, the corruption that was there at that level and all the intelligence agencies, they were hiding this, they were burying it because they knew that they had that they had done you know serious damage and and it was it was no question corrupt, and they were hiding the the corruption.
And they always played this game of uh they knew that we couldn't say anything, right?
And they were just waiting for me or Trey Gowdy or somebody to go say something wrong.
They were looking at every single interview and prosecuted to prosecute us so they could shut the investigation down.
So the only way we had to, we had to use what was in the House rules.
Right?
We had to have the parliamentarians look at it.
So we basically had to we had to use the full power of the legislative branch to say, it's over for you guys, we're taking the power, we're putting this out.
And if you remember, everybody remember you had Rosenstein and Ray came new things.
They threatened us to investigate us.
Talked to Paul Ryan.
They threatened to investigate us.
I mean, these guys were covering this up.
Yeah.
And they did not want this out.
And if you and the I think the other funny story about about the so-called newness memo, uh, if you if you recall, it was actually much longer.
There was a lot more information that we that we wanted to put out there.
Yeah.
But we really just narrowed it down, narrowed it down because at that time we were still taking the Department of Justice serious that they were, you know, that they were, you know, that they were real and that they weren't corrupt, and they were doing things by the book, and they really had concerns about some of this information getting down.
And you know, that thing was basically cut down probably by two-thirds of what really should have been put out there.
And if you recall, it was actually, I like to call it it was really the Gaudi memo.
Now you're taking it away from me and giving it to trade.
I can't have that.
It was the cash and gouty memo.
But you know, the fake news, you know, quickly wanted to get out there because you know, they had just been attacked, you know, at that point I had been just attacked, you know, slandered and defamed day after day after day.
It was really cute for the fake news and the and the left and the country.
Let's just call it the newness memo, right?
It should have been the House Intelligence memo, it should have been something, but and then we'll just smear, continue to smear newness, we'll say it's Russian disinformation, we'll say it's corrupt, we'll say it's leaking information.
And you know, that story uh really has not been told very well.
A few people have, but remember the Democrats put out a memo, they they then jumped to basically put out disinformation.
I mean it it was Russian disinformation.
That they put out the shift memo.
That they put out.
Yeah.
Um, you know, that story, you know, still has not been has has not been told, but you know, if you look at the Nunas memo, not only did we, you know get it entirely right, in fact, we there was it was a lot worse than what we even thought at the time that we put that memo out.
Yeah, on the Shift memo, I want to I want to get back to that because there were some pretty savvy, not just political maneuvering and using the the levers in Congress that had literally never been used to put this document out.
But you know, uh we you know we've never really talked about it, but we knew you talked about paring down the document, because you know, you can't send out a 20-page document.
No one, you know, we had to keep it to like five because that's that's what people can read.
But you astutely devised a manner in which you were like, well, as soon as we put this out, you predicted there, they the Dems and Shiff are gonna want to put it put their own out.
And unlike the Dems, the Republicans were the ones who voted the Shift memo out, and I think strategically it paid off for us because we almost goaded him into writing that because we knew the fake news mafia would cover it immediately as the truth, but over time.
Now the shift, nothing in the shift memo is true, but he put out a lot of the information we wanted out, mainly that that information that the FBI knew before the FISA court that the um the money came from the Clinton campaign and they hid it from the FISA court.
So things like that I think were pretty clever that that you know over the.
I would I would just argue that it was just a long road, right?
Yeah.
And here we sit, still today that I I bet if you did a poll, probably close to half of Americans still believe that Trump and Republicans had something to do with Russia.
So look, we did the right thing for the right reasons.
I actually think we should have put a lot more out there.
I think at the time, looking back, I still had beliefs in the Department of Justice and the people that work there and the intelligence agencies.
And you know, there's no way now looking back at that time period that the leadership within those agencies, they knew what we were putting out was real and it what it should have been a problem, and I mean that should have been taken immediately by the top people at justice and investigated.
But what did they do?
They said, no, it's fake, oh, it's good it's gonna ruin national security.
Uh let's we're gonna turn it over to the inspector general.
Right, let him.
And it just and you, you know, and and and he did a good job with it.
I mean, the inspector general did do a good job, but it it it took years.
I mean, it just took forever.
And uh, and it was wrong.
It should have been an immediate investigation from the top down from all the department of people at the Department of Justice and the FBI that were involved in this, and that it just didn't happen.
And now Durham's, you know, here we are five years later trying to play catch up because of you know the the high level of corruption that occurred back in that time period.
So that's why I say we should have actually, in retrospect, we should have put it all out there.
Yeah.
Everything we had.
And we could have done it in hey, here's what we know it know for sure, and here's what we don't know, but these are facts that you know people need to go out and investigate, because you know, none of that was to protect national security.
It was all just a cover up.
Right.
One of the things I want to just highlight for our audience is though, you know, the the big epithet that we got thrown at us was you're you yes, you're gonna harm national security, but you're gonna kill our sources.
You're gonna destroy our relationships with the United Kingdom if you put this memo out.
I mean, I remember taking it to the White House and then and and everybody talking about it and saying, oh my God, you're gonna the attorney general or Brad Rosenstein at the time was saying, you know, you're gonna ruin the DOJ.
But I want to foot stomp for our audience that we did it, we teamed up and did it in such a way that no one died, no relationship was ruined, yeah, and congressional oversight was validated by showing the American people the accountability that was necessary.
That memo led to the firing or retirement of 17 individuals at DOJ and FBI.
For a congressional movement, it probably should have been about 170.
I know.
Um because there's a lot more that knew what was going on there.
Maybe some of those now are cooperating with Grassley, you see some whistle whistleblowers uh that are that are coming forward.
And then think of the absurdity now that we were somehow going to harm national security.
It was absurd because the only people they were protecting was a a washed up, useless Brit, you know, guy that was on the take, was being paid.
Yep, right.
Not only was he being paid, you know, by the Clinton campaign ultimately, you know, through a law firm, remember all of that, uh, he was also being paid by our own FBI.
That's right.
And then the other guy that they were protecting, this so-called Russian sources, was a dude that, yeah, he was born in Russia, but he was living across the Potomac.
He's now being prosecuted by Durham, and he was just making stuff up that they that the Clinton team wanted him to put down.
So he was like their Russian source, and this was like Putin's easiest play that he ever made.
He had to do absolutely nothing because fusion GPS and steel just made it all up.
Yeah.
And fed it into the system.
And and think of all the idiots in the in the news media, it just shows you, you know, through all of this, at the end of the day, um, you know, through the whole Trump presidency, through the Russian oaks, uh, if if if it's done any good, it's been that it's ripped the band-aid off of what was kind of percolating there for a long, long time of the rotting of the inside of the Justice Department and our intelligence agencies.
No, I I I was you know fortunate to be in a lot of those meetings with you, those high-level meetings, and the one thing that I learned in my government tenure was once you expose government corruption, do you force the conversation and the documentation to say, we didn't write this?
These are your documents.
You said these documents didn't exist, and then you issued 17 congressional subpoenas, which hadn't been done in the history of Congress, and then we found their own documentation.
That's the best way to educate the American public and prove the truth.
And that's that was the power of a righteous congressional government.
Thank you.
And if you go back to that time, not only that though, think of all of those high-level personnel, even hid those.
They hid those from the public, they hid them from us.
And they always claim the same thing.
Oh, we can't show you this, it's gonna endanger national security.
And you know, every single time we found all they were doing was covering up what was really damaging evidence of their own people doing really bad things and abusing, abusing the system and cooperating with the Democratic Party.
Do you think that the American people have all the information that we learned from our investigation in Russian gate?
And if not, you know, how much of it is missing and what can we do to get it.
I think a lot of it's gonna depend on Durham.
Okay.
And in this next, it's gonna be interesting to see if there it seems like there should be additional indictments.
Seems like there's a lot more there.
You have the trial of of Danchenko that Epic Times has done a great job, and you've done a great job of of outlining that.
I just saw uh this week that Durham is actually gonna be the lead prosecutor.
That that is incredibly unusual.
Me as a former federal prosecutor to get like that's like the AG trying a case.
Yeah.
So I guess he's going big.
Yeah.
Well, look, I think what happened when you when you look at what happened with the Sussman debacle in Washington, D.C., and I really believe you look back at that, I I think Durham had to believe that no way Sussman was gonna risk going to jail for five years.
Yeah.
But he did.
You know, he did.
I think they knew either he was worried about Sussman's either worried about disappearing, like a lot of the people that get crossways with the Clintons, right?
Because it would have been really easy.
I think he was just trying to get him to plea, is in and is my opinion.
They they've thought, okay, we're gonna charge Sussman, he's gonna cooperate, he's gonna plea, he's not gonna risk going to going to jail.
And he should have been a cooperative witness because really he's at the focal point of everything.
Yes.
He knows everything that happened.
Everything had to have moved through, you know, through that law firm and where he was the number one guy, you know, there or the number two guy, but he was basically handling that.
So I think what that and just another dark part of of US history that's all tied in, going back to going back to 2016 when this all started, that you know, where you have a city like that, 95% Democrat, how are you gonna have you know with this political world?
I mean, it becomes if you're a Republican, you're gonna get the the everything thrown at you in Washington, D.C. You're gonna, you know, it's gonna be a short prosecution, you know, jury's gonna deliver it for 10 minutes and you're gonna get the maximum sentence.
Yeah, it's a it's completely two-tiered and it's wrong.
I mean, no way, as you know, the evidence they had on Sussman was crystal clear.
The fact that so we we've got big problems here, which is the is the main thing.
So hopefully Durham is gonna do better in Virginia because the the jury at least will be 50-50 or something.
I know we gotta give you you know credit for leading that investigation.
You know, as you said, I thought too the basically, in my opinion, you know, Nyan and I went and watched the Durham trial of uh the Durham prosecution of Sussman.
And it the jury basically had the video tape of the bank robbery with the guy's face on it because as you remember, you authorized 60 some depositions under oath.
And we took the Michael Sussman deposition, where he literally said under oath, after taking his oath uh during that deposition transcript, that I was there on behalf of a client.
That's the critical statement.
And then he goes to the FBI the next, you know, whenever he went there and says, I'm not coming to you on behalf of anybody.
And that's the lie that the jury was shown.
But I think what Sussman relied on that, I agree, he should have been a cooperating witness, but he banked on the fact that the case was brought in Washington, and you call that out pretty early.
But why why do you think that's the thing?
And I also think there's an important point too.
If it were, you know, you've you know you've been a lawyer on both sides, both a prosecutor and a defender.
Um I'm not a lawyer, but if if a client came to you or came to me for, you know, for legal advice here, and you saw all the evidence that Durham had against Sussman, I would give, you know, i any other American, I'd say, look, you better work out a deal here.
You know, you're you there's not much you can do other than you know, cop a plea and maybe, you know, and maybe apologize and and you know, you know, get a slap on the wrist.
Yeah.
I mean that that's what advice that I would give somebody that had that type of evidence against them.
I think Durham knew that that was a possibility, but I think what was beneficial, even though there was an acquittal was the amount of information he got out there to the American public.
So all the Clinton campaign cronies, to the, you know, to the Jake Sullivan's of the world, the pedestas, the MOOCs, the fusion GPSs, they were all thrown into his joint venture conspiracy as he called it.
So moving on to the Danchenko case, which I think is gonna get tried in October, as you said John Durham is gonna be the lawyer or at least one of them.
What do you expect the world to learn from the Danchenko prosecution?
I mean, the one thing that we never found uh in our investigation was this involvement of this character Jaffee and all of that operation.
You know, we didn't know that existed.
I mean, you know, clearly we knew there were ops being run, you know, at very high levels against against Trump, but you know, little did we know that they had continued that into the Trump administration into the White House.
I mean, this is very serious charge.
I think that's the fact that you've got these folks with high-level high security clearances, getting government contracts, you know, this is something that that you know we never knew could even exist as you know, at least at our level on the intelligence committee, that you could somehow get, you know, uh a contractor that could become politicized to go out and use the powers of the state to essentially spy on your political opponents.
I mean, that's what happened.
So I'm eager to learn what we find out there.
It's it I'm surprised that Jaffee hasn't been um that you know hasn't been indicted yet.
Um so that's for me that's interesting.
I mean, the rest of it we all know, right?
I mean, and and basically the Clintons have have admitted it, right?
I mean, they pled they had to pay a fine to the Federal Elections Commission.
I mean, there was a you know, obviously misuse of of funds there.
I mean, everybody know well, not everybody, but people that are watching this video most likely know uh, you know, the whole story, the you know, the the the major pieces to the Russia hoax story, um, except for that piece on on Jaffee.
So I think America has sort of learned the value of the, you know, when you were chairman and you ran the oversight investigation on Russia Gate, you know, there is a definitive role for congressional oversight, and it's based in the Constitution.
And you did it, even though they were the charge was he was doing politically, you just did it wherever the facts led, which was the best way to run an investigation.
Fast forward now, you have the unselect committee on January 6th doing it as politically as you possibly can.
Now, in November, if the elections go the way you know everybody says they're gonna go.
Give give the audience some insight on you're not in Congress anymore, but what investigations would you want Congress like judiciary and intel to focus on?
Um I think simply put, uh, this is so bad and it's in the the institutions are rotting from from the inside.
So if you look at the most important issue at the highest level in terms of government corruption, uh it's got to be the Department of Justice.
How do you go after that?
There's gonna have to be an investigation like none that's ever been done before directly at the Department of Justice and everything below, right?
So dating back to what happened during, you know, as far back as even Benghazi, right?
But for sure, the Russia hoax, their involvement in that, the Ukraine impeachment hoax to January 6th to whatever the hell happened up in Michigan with that, you know, all of these people supposedly working for the federal government as agents or you know, agents of the federal government running around.
I mean, this is absolute madness.
It's gotten out of control.
And so there's gonna have to be an uh uh a real investigation like it's never been done, and it's gonna have to be Department of Justice and it and from there all the tentacles go down to everybody else.
Putting your chairman hat back on, right?
You know, whoever's the chairman of judiciary or OGR or Intel going forward after the Gavel switch.
What would you how would you advise them to do that?
Because you know how to do that, and a lot of the folks in Congress unfortunately don't have that background, don't have that experience.
I think it's gonna have to be a special special committee uh that's put together and you know how they comprise that, I don't know, with a full staff.
I mean, as you know, I mean think about our little team on Intel.
I mean, there was very few people that ran that whole investigation, and I can tell you it and that was with the help of people like Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson and people who did a who did a lot of work to help us get to the truth of Russia Gate.
This is much bigger than that because this is like this this actually involves Russia Gate too, right?
Because everything that has to be looked at from the Department of Justice all the way down is runs the gamut from Russia Gate to Jan 6 to everything else that we don't have answers for, plus the cooperation, how they're cooperating with the Democrats and the media and Mohr, right?
I mean Moeller needs to be investigated.
So I think you start with DOJ and you have to you have to look at everything, and it's gotta be a it's gotta be a big staff and it's gotta be people that are serious about about reining in the Department of Justice, which I hate to say that, but we were just talking earlier about you've got a two-tiered system, you've got people walking in DC, you've got these wild investigations, you've got you know this guy Ray Epps that still nobody can tell me what the hell he he was doing at the Capitol, right?
He clearly was was at one point he was on the FBI's most wanted list, and then now he's just disappeared.
We have no information on the guy.
I mean, it's it's it's just outrageous and it's out of control.
You know, actually, I don't think I've ever heard someone today propose a select committee to run this um, you know, macro level writ large investigation at Congress.
But you know, for for those that don't know, how is how does that get done?
Does the speaker have to stand it up?
Do Republicans have to get together?
What how does that even look?
Yeah, it's it's actually, you know, it's really there's been a lot of them in the in the past, and I think it's just a vote of the House.
Oh, right.
I mean, it'd be it'd be it'd be best if the Senate would do the same thing, like a both a House and Senate investigation.
It probably will be a little harder though in the Senate because I, you know, I think even on the Republicans' best day, you know, it's gonna be a 51 or 52 uh you know, 48 type of majority, right?
There's just not enough seats that are the that the Republicans can win unless you know things go really uh poorly for the Democrats it's possible.
But so the House for sure can create uh uh a special uh committee of some kind, uh give it funding and and run this investigation.
And I don't see how else they're gonna do it.
I mean it's just too much for uh you know Jim Jordan to run that.
He's got Jim's got so many other issues that he's got to look at, right?
So it's gotta have full power, just I mean, basically, exactly like this this Gen 6 ridiculous you know, Kangaroo court, there needs to be a real investigation of the Department of Justice.
And I think until you do that, you're gonna continue what you know, as we you and I found out, we just got the runaround all the time.
We did.
And and we were working with a Republican administration when you were the Republican chair of Intel.
So it was extremely frustrating.
Uh one of the things I definitely want to talk about uh before jumping over to Truth Social, which I definitely want to get into, is Hunter Biden laptop.
And I wanna, you know, I want to go into it because it's the intersection of intelligence and evidence and law enforcement, just like we found with Russia Gate, just like we found with the Christopher Steele dossier, and the reason we put out the Nunes memo and things like that.
This has been proven, the Hunter Biden laptop to be evidence of criminality.
But a year ago, or a year plus ago, just before the election, 51 intelligence officials, including heads of the CIA and Department of Defense came out and said the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
How does that happen?
And and how do you prevent that from happening ever again?
Well, it goes to it goes to my point about starting at the top with the Department of Justice.
I mean, that's you know, this is part, this is one of those many issues that have to be investigated.
Um remember, you know, remember how poorly, and I and continually the the poor guy that actually did the right thing, took that laptop to the FBI.
Yeah, he got right and it got buried.
He's his life has been destroyed, he's been turned upside down.
I mean, this is happening because of the Department of Justice and the FBI, you know, plain and simple.
And this should not be happening.
I mean, the it's impossible that if the Hunter Biden laptop was the Donald Trump Jr. laptop, I mean, it would be I mean, would have been locked up years ago.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, it would have been ugly.
And just think of, I mean, there's so many things that are on that laptop that we're now learning now.
Look at how many crimes have been broken.
I mean, I mean, you you know this better than anyone.
There's probably there's probably 30 or 40 different crimes on that sitting on that laptop, and you're telling me four or five years later you've done absolutely nothing.
It's and this is what the Department of Justice, they have to answer to that.
And you know, the coordination that went in between the intelligence agencies and and your old buddy, you know, the Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee, you know, you know, Adam Schiff, I mean, he was the one that was that was pushing that.
He's he clearly would have been a communicating with those with those intel agencies, with the campaigns.
And then you've got, and I think all of those people that sign that, they all took part and they had to knowingly take part in a cover-up for political purposes.
They use their if they have if they have clearances, there should be an investigation of everybody who signed that.
Everybody who signed that letter, if they're still holding a clearance, a lot of them are.
They they ought to be investigated, say, who'd you talk to, when'd you talk to them?
Because as you know, you can't use your clearance for political purposes.
And clearly that's what that's what happened.
I mean, these guys are not stupid cash.
You know damn well, those people that signed that letter knew that that was not Russian disinformation.
Yeah.
So the fact if any of them are holding security clearances, they should be invest, they should be investigated fully.
And and that doesn't mean that, and look, maybe some of them just signed it, right?
But there had, you know, the who didn't really know that okay, I'm just gonna sign it, but there had to be some of those people that were in the lead of that that were concocting essentially a disinformation op using our nation's intelligence apparatus.
Wow.
So I've really never heard of anyone take this Brit large approach on Capitol Hill for Select Committee.
And then as you know, I I think that's a brilliant idea because security clearances are a privilege, and these guys are out there using them to make millions of dollars as outside consultants as former secretaries of defense and secretary or cabinet secretaries and and high-level intel officers.
So those clearances can actually be revoked if it's found out that they committed uh a fraud or broke the NDAs that they signed.
So I think that's a great point that no one's talking about.
Maybe at least one of the committees can that's a s narrow investigation that maybe like an intel committee could take up a loan.
But I know I think it's actually underneath the whole rubric of that Department of Justice investigation.
Okay.
I I mean I think all of that should that's why it it's it's such a large endeavor.
And I believe that's that's gonna be the only solution is like a full top to bottom uh teardown of the of the Department of Justice, deep dive that then gets into all the intelligence agencies, and you've got to go back from you know the you know,
be even before Russia, the Russia hoax, uh through the Hunter Biden laptop hoax through January 6th, all of this stuff has to be, you know, has to be looked at because if not, every day that goes by, I can tell you the the viewers that are watching this, the people that read Epic Times, they don't trust the Department of Justice.
They don't trust the FBI.
That is a bad place for this country to be.
I mean, I don't trust them.
I mean, I was former chair of the House Intelligence Committee, and I can tell you, I mean, I don't trust the Department of Justice, I don't trust the FBI, and that doesn't mean there's not there's there's a lot of great people that work in those agencies, but this is what I spent my whole career in Congress, a large part of my career was going to the second and third world countries, working with their intelligence agencies, you know, talking about you know how to have free and fair elections, what has to happen, and and what's the number one thing.
I mean, you sat in a bunch of those meetings, I would always say, hey, you've all at the end of the day, you've got to make sure that your judicial branch is separate and your intelligence agencies never get involved in any politics.
And here I went around for two decades, you know, preaching that, and it's happening in America.
In America, at the highest levels, and it's it's it's rotted out not just those institutions, it's it's even spreading over into the courts.
Yeah, right, because the judi the the judges, these federal judges could put a quick end to some of this, right?
Like the Jan 6 stuff, they get I mean, holding these people like the way they're holding them.
And I've always said, look, just throw the people in jail that I will I the people who broke the windows, I want to know them.
The people who planted the pipe bombs, I want to know who they are.
But I mean, this is this is crazy.
They're taking people, turning their ruining their lives, leaving them in jail.
We interviewed Julie Kelly the other day on my podcast, and I think you've interviewed her too.
I'm how is it possible that people are going to jail that weren't even in the damn building?
And just for something that they said.
It's like you know, just for something that they said outside, you know, it'd be like, you know, walking out to the street, you know, and saying, hey, I I don't like this, I don't like that, and then all of a sudden you're gonna be rotting in a jail and you're gonna get the your your life turned upside down because of your exercising you know your ability to have you know free speech in this country, your first amendment rights.
I mean, that's what's happening in this country, and the whole damn thing is rotting.
I think you're right, and I think for me as a former, you know, national security prosecutor and defender, public defender, you know, this two-tier system of justice keeps getting put on display, be it Russia Gate, be it the Ukraine impeachment hoax, be it the Hunter Biden laptop, and now over to January 6th, right?
You have people who are charged with and I agree with you, those that broke actual laws should be prosecuted.
But 60-year-old women with no criminal history should not be held in confinement before their trial date.
There used to be a presumption of innocence, and there's this deafening silence from the the liberal left and the ACLUs of the world that used to be their champions and their voices.
But on on, you know, one of the things I highlight for folks on Jan 6 is like, look at the way Colbert staff was treated.
They did the exact same thing.
They're arrested by the Capitol police for breaking and entering an unlawfully being uh in in the United States Capitol, not even around it, in it.
And then magically the Department of Justice and the DC U.S. Attorney's Office said, we're not gonna prosecute you.
He came into my office on a couple of things.
Oh, that's right, I remember that.
Barged into the office, you know, with all of his people acting like a moron, right?
And so you know, there's a guy who's, you know, his ratings have tanked.
I mean, if it wasn't for kind of the woke corporates who continue to fund these operations, I mean that guy wouldn't have a show.
I mean, he doesn't have any viewers.
I mean, he used to be funny back in the day on, but now he just politicized everything.
And you know, those activities that that that his team got busted or got caught doing not to be prosecuted.
I mean, he's been doing this for for many, many years.
I mean, like I said, he did it, he did it to me at least on a couple occasions.
That's scary.
Yeah.
Well, so I think you know, we've we you know even for me, having known you as well as I've gotten to know you have become such good friends.
I didn't know those were some of your some of your greater ideas, and those are those are really important for the audience to see that those things are possible.
So if if you know, I know this well and the people in your you know this well, you're one of the greatest host, uh dinner host uh in the world, and when you get invited to a Devin Nunes dinner.
So I remember late in December, right before you left Congress, we had this great dinner, and you're a big wine guy, and you brought out like all these special wines, and I was like, oh, this is really cool.
But you know, I didn't really suspect something was up.
And then two days later you told me you were leaving Congress.
Why?
You know, you were about to be uh chairman again of of House Intel, if not ways and means controlling all the money in the United States government.
One of the most powerful positions, literally in all three branches of US government, and you're like, I'm gonna go run TMTG.
Yeah, well it's it's really it's really simple and and and you know this.
I wrote a little book called Countdown of Socialism.
And you know, little did I know that was before the Hunter Biden laptop.
That was before we found out that Facebook put in 419 million dollars.
It was before you know we ended up with this, you know, that where President Trump got booted off of every platform.
Because I caught early on during the Russia hoax, me being shadow banned.
And I was the first to go to Rumble, uh first, you know, the first anybody in America really to go to Rumble.
Now every conservative is on Rumble because it's the only place that you're gonna be able to put your videos and be safe that aren't gonna be.
You put them on display in the uh Devin Nunes Freedom Tour.
Yeah.
Well, and that was that came after, right?
So this was in this was in 20.
Oh.
That all of I started using Rumble, went to Parlor, and I quickly found out, oh my God, what's happening to us on these these that you know, this is destroying America.
We're not able to get our message out because it's bad enough that 95% of the the news is fake news.
But when you put it through that funnel through you know, through the devices that everybody's getting their information from, it's how you ultimately end up, and I saw this, I saw this polling after the election of 2020.
What you and I know is a hoax.
The Russia hoax, I saw after the election polling that showed still over half of America thought that Donald Trump and Republicans had something to do with Russia.
And that's when I went out all through 2021, you know, on our freedom tour.
So I was out talking about these issues, you know, warning people that you know if you can't even communicate with one another, you know, the country's gonna be in a really bad place.
And that's where we are, that's where we sit today, except for what true social is doing.
I mean, we're opening the internet back up to give the American people their voice back.
So I just viewed it as the most important issue at the highest level.
And so when President Trump called me, all President Trump President Trump is built, he didn't need a company, I didn't need a job.
Yeah, and you know, we're doing this for the for the American people and and people around the globe just to give people their voice back.
Wow.
I mean, because think about I mean, think of the and you see it every day on True Social.
There's there's so many of these people who were who were banned or shadow banned, and it's you know, it's a it's it's actually refreshing every day to get on the truth social platform and see people, you know, you know, to exercise their their freedom.
And you know, and we're barely, you know, we just got approved up in the Google Play Store for pre-order.
So you know, this company isn't even fully launched, right?
We've only got five of the features built out of the ten that we want to get done by the end of the year.
It's a reward, it's rewarding work, but at the same time, it's absolutely necessary work to protect this democratic republic from rotting from within.
You have to let people have basic communications with each other.
I think look, I mean, I always joke with people, you know this because you've known me for so long.
I've never been on social media.
And now people are like, Why are you on why are you on Truth Social?
And I was like, well, it took two of my former bosses to get me on, President Trump and Devin Nunez.
It's kind of like the uh on the case.
And you're a superstar, man, everybody loves you on there.
But it you know, I gotta say, it's it's fun, it's engaging, but you know, I don't I don't I don't know that I've ever heard anyone ask you this, but what's your favorite, you know, one or two things about Truth Social?
Is it a feature?
Is it the what is it?
Well, it's a good good question.
I I think that uh kind of the new feature set that we put out uh a few weeks ago where you know we wanted to be to make sure that we weren't using an algorithm in the timeline and that we weren't doctoring people's feeds.
So that's critical, right?
So whatever comes onto your feed comes on in order.
Which is great, but except that if you post at 7 a.m and it's 9 p.m, you know people aren't gonna be able to go back in their feed and see what you posted without without going to your page.
So we have that new carousel at the top that you've seen and that allows you to quickly interact with people that you you know that you choose to follow.
So I think that is a a great feature that that we've added and that'll continue to get better over time.
You know so it'll it'll put people in that carousel that you want to be notified when they post so it makes it easy so at 9 p.m you haven't checked true social all day and you can get on there and you can say okay I want to see what what Cash said I want to see what Cat Terd said.
I don't know who's more popular on True Social you or Cat Turn.
Yeah I think we're gonna have to flex some of my following because I can't be less popular than Cat Turn.
Cat is a I mean for your for your the audience here I mean talk about a really interesting story of a guy who who knew nothing about true social or nothing about the social media much like yourself.
And about three or four years ago he just became a superstar because he's just really funny.
Nobody knows what he is he's or who he is.
Oh he's still anonymous he's anonymous he's just a cat he's a a cat avatar we interviewed him on uh on the podcast here last week and yeah and he's super funny but a guy like that who is conservative was being shadow banned uh and censored on the other platforms.
Oh wow and for uh on our platform he's not being censored so it was really a an interesting interview and it's those types of things that that make you really enjoy the platform.
And I think what I'm also seeing is you're launching businesses small mom and pop brick and mortar transforming into the online universe and people are seeing I've I've seen literally everything from obviously merchandise and whatnot but wood engravings to artwork uh to so many other people finding a platform to launch successful businesses because they're not gonna shut down.
And the biggest one I think something that that and you know this is a big deal because the fake news is ref refusing to write about it.
John Rich Oh yeah number one song called Progress he launched it on True Social and put the video to Rumble and it went to number one and stayed there nearly for two weeks.
It was exclusively on Truth Social right he didn't launch it anywhere else.
Well not only did he not nobody else would launch it no record label would take it radio stations all the woke corporates refused to play it and that shows you the power of free speech the power of true social and rumble when I don't know a damn thing about music right and for John Rich to be able to post his song on True Social and it to stay number one for nearly two weeks is incredible.
I mean it's a story that hasn't been written yet it needs to be written needs to be investigated because this is now going to be the pathway to your point of people who want to you know really launch new products that can't get an audience somewhere else they're gonna be coming to true social and rumble uh in in the future and I think that the the John Rich number one hit song just proves that.
No that was so cool to me because I am a huge country music fan and when you were like hey we're doing this John Rich interview on my podcast I was like yeah I want to do it now I know John Rich.
So I've met so many great people just you know through Truth Social that I never thought I would do.
So I've come to learn a lot about the technology now behind social media platforms and I get that there's all sorts of ways to get canceled quote unquote.
But when you say Truth Social you know it can't be canceled I know you guys had that in mind when you built it but most of our audience doesn't know what that means.
Yeah good good question.
So we're building Truth Social brick by brick right and that's why we're building it's slow and methodical because we are not putting ourselves in a position where any of these big corporations could cancel us right for so for example any normal business is gonna you're gonna go to IBM,
Microsoft, Amazon Web Services, you're gonna work with them, their teams, they're gonna provide the servers that's how a normal business would be put together we've done the opposite where we're refute we're not using any of those because they're woke, they're dangerous, and at any given point they could cut the cords, they could stop servicing us, right?
So we are very careful, uh, you know, especially in terms of our data centers.
We're using the it's being run on the rumble cloud, right?
Because so Rumble and us are really partnered together to ensure that none of these big tech companies can come in and shut us down.
And I think and I think that's that's the main key.
Uh and in any companies that we work with, I mean, we're very, very careful.
If we do, we're not solely, we we work with some outside contractors, very few, but we always have a backup plan in case in case something goes goes wrong with one of them.
So that's the I think that's the big difference.
It's the infrastructure, right?
If if if there is one of these companies that owns just a piece of it, if they hit the axe, then the whole thing goes down.
So what I understand you saying is you've built um, you've built it so these companies can't ever enter the ecosystem.
Nobody can nobody can stop us.
That's there's no no all these big tech companies that everybody would think that that any normal company, 99.9% of all the the companies that use any type of technology in this country, use one of the top five or top ten of these big tech companies, and we're not doing it.
Thanks so much again for having us and hosting us here in Sarasota Truth Social Headquarters.
Uh a lot of this conversation, you know, you and I have had in private, but I don't think really it's ever been publicized.
So this is gonna be a really cool episode and really interesting for America to see.
Uh we've talked about a lot of the corruption, a lot of the two-tier system of justice, the fake news media.
We talked about how we went after it and exposed it.
And I think what a lot of Americans are are at now is Republicans aren't in power, we don't have the White House, we don't have Congress, we might get it soon.
Um, you know, is there a chance to fix it?
Is there a chance to get it back on track?
Do you believe that?
Yeah, uh you know, absolutely, right?
I mean, I'm uh as you know, uh, you know, I'm a happy warrior, right?
And I believe in this country, I believe in the Constitution, and it's it's why I'm here.
It's why I'm here at True Social, because you know, I believe in free speech, I believe in giving the American people their voice back, just like the president has done.
So what we're doing here is changing people's lives, like we've talked about on a daily basis.
So it's slow and it's hard, and what's gonna have to happen if the Republicans are lucky enough to get back in back in power.
These investigations are gonna be tough and and they're not gonna be easy.
But look, you have to, you know, the first thing to to solving a problem is to admit that you have a problem.
And this country has yet to admit that we have a problem, and I think that's what the Republicans should be able to expose, you know, once they create and run these investigations.
They it's probably gonna be the most consequential uh investigations that have been run because you're looking at five, six, seven years of of massive corruption that have to be dealt with and have to be exposed, and it's only gonna happen using that that power of the legislative branch,
and then of course, at the same time having social media that's not being censored so that the word of those investigations and the truth, so to speak, can be put out on true social and places and and places like Rumble, uh so that you know the the town square and the internet's opened up for people to receive that information.
And that was really the hardest part that we had, right?
Was getting it out.
It was getting it out because we get it out and they didn't say, Oh, Russian disinformation, and oh this, you know, look at look at this memo over here.
So, you know, so I have you know, I have faith and confidence that in what we're doing here at True Social, what Rumble is doing, and what the Republicans can do when they get back in in control, that ultimately the American people will benefit and the country can begin to heal again.
It's just that there's a lot of work that has to be done to get there.
Maybe they'll hire Devin Nunes and Cash Patel's outside consultant.
Yeah.
But uh look, I have one last question.
We've had a blast here.
This has just been a great time to do this format.
So uh yes, I've found Dan Scavino, so we're not gonna ask him where he's is, but seven months out of Congress, right?
You you're in that seat for 20 years, seven months out.
What do you miss?
And from Washington, not a damn thing.
Uh don't I mean though probably the only thing that uh you know you have a lot of good people that I worked with over the years.
Obviously, my you know, my staff, my former staff, uh you know, you miss those folks, you miss I think I when I left uh uh Congress, I said that when I stood up before the Republicans and I said, uh I said, look, guys, uh, I'm leaving.
I said, I said, I'm gonna miss some of you quite a bit, but most of you I'm not gonna miss it all.
Which was kind of a joke, but but not entirely, but I for sure don't miss.
I mean, I think the you know the the left has become so hardcore.
You know, I I give the example when I was when I first went into Congress, you had Bernie Sanders was in the House of Representatives at the time.
He was kind of the leader of the socialists, and he was seen as a kook, backbencher.
There would be these votes that would put up that that you know they would get 10 or 20 votes, right?
And now those policies are now the mainstream of the Democratic Party that now get well over 200 votes in the House.
And so you've got a party that's really become went from the Democratic Party to a Marxist Socialist Party.
So Devin, that's thanks so much for your time.
We have we've had a blast down here in Sarasota at Truth Social Headquarters.
Really appreciate it.
Great seeing you as always.
Thanks so much.
Appreciate it.
Well, everybody, that's a wrap for this week's special episode with Devin Nunes here in Sarasota, Florida at Truth Social Headquarters.
And of course, it's time for our shout-out.
And this week we have a two-fold shout-out.
One, it's to the epoch TV Road Warriors that made this happen.
Thank you for this show and all the production that you guys do to make Cash's Corner a reality.
And the second thanks has to go to the Truth Social team.
I want to shout out to Jack and Mateus and Northwall and Company for making Truth Social such a kick-ass platform.
