Katie Miller Podcast - What is it Really Like Being a Trump?!!? | KMP Ep.36
Aired: 2026-04-21
Duration: 45:15


=== Spirit Airlines Eyelashes (06:35) ===

[00:00:00]  From the outside, your life looks, I think, to most Americans, incredibly glamorous.
[00:00:04]  What's been the best event you've gone to in the last few years?
[00:00:07]  Man, well, the glamour on Spirit Airlines sometimes.
[00:00:10]  That's a funny thing, I know it's highs and lows.
[00:00:13]  I do love that we are being very honest with young women now where we're allowing them to prioritize not just a career, but also a family because I think it is so important.
[00:00:22]  And I think for both Eric and I, it's been very important to continue to work on ourselves, to continue to work on our relationship every single day.
[00:00:31]  Anyone who tells you it is a walk in the park.
[00:00:33]  Is lying to you.
[00:00:35]  So, what's something about your father in law you wish some more people knew that you haven't said publicly?
[00:00:39]  I just wish people would appreciate, especially people on the other side of the aisle, how much easier his life would have been if he'd never gotten involved in politics.
[00:00:45]  You know, he's the one president to leave the White House with less money than he went into it.
[00:00:49]  What my father in law went through with, you know, the weaponization of everything basically government wise against him for the four years he was out of office was pretty insane.
[00:01:00]  And I think to go through something like that as a family gives you a unique perspective that maybe a lot of people don't have.
[00:01:07]  So, maybe that radicalized me a little.
[00:01:08]  Yeah.
[00:01:19]  Hi, everyone, and welcome back to this week's episode of the Katie Miller Podcast.
[00:01:22]  We're so excited to be in Washington, D.C. today, joined by the one and only Laura Trump.
[00:01:26]  Oh, thank you.
[00:01:26]  What a nice intro.
[00:01:27]  I feel like you are always the one doing the interviews these days between, I think you have a podcast, a TV show.
[00:01:34]  What's life like going from being a mom to RNC co chair to hosting multiple different forms of media now?
[00:01:41]  Oh, my God.
[00:01:41]  It is total chaos.
[00:01:43]  And you probably understand and appreciate that as well.
[00:01:46]  But I feel like they say if you want to get something done, give it to a busy mom.
[00:01:51]  We are the consummate and ultimate multitaskers.
[00:01:54]  And so I'm trying to keep it all together.
[00:01:56]  I mean, I'm trying when I'm home, I'm really home.
[00:01:59]  I want to drop my kids off at school.
[00:02:01]  I want to be there to pick them up.
[00:02:03]  I literally arrange my schedule around that so that I can be there for the important things.
[00:02:07]  Last night, my son had a playoff baseball game.
[00:02:10]  I was running around like a maniac, coming from one thing to another.
[00:02:13]  But I was there.
[00:02:14]  Eric was there.
[00:02:15]  And you know, you try to make it work, but life is busy.
[00:02:18]  But it's a good time right now, I feel like, to be doing all this stuff.
[00:02:22]  There's so much.
[00:02:23]  News and moving and shaking, and I'm excited to be a part of all of it.
[00:02:27]  You do a lot of late night, early morning travel, I presume, so you can be around for your kids.
[00:02:32]  I hear you fly Spirit Airlines.
[00:02:35]  What's that like?
[00:02:35]  In fact, after I was officially voted in to become the RNC co chair, I flew from Houston to, I think I had to fly to Fort Lauderdale on a Spirit Airlines flight.
[00:02:48]  So there were no frills.
[00:02:49]  We were already trying to save money, Katie, for the election in 2024.
[00:02:53]  But yeah, listen, I'm trying to get where I need to go.
[00:02:57]  And in whatever way I have to get there, that's how I'm going.
[00:03:00]  And so sometimes it's a Southwest flight, sometimes Spirit Airlines, Frontier.
[00:03:05]  I'll fly it all.
[00:03:07]  I'm lucky I have great people around me who make sure that we're safe at all times.
[00:03:12]  But I'm good with whatever it is as long as it gets me there.
[00:03:16]  And you're right, I try to do a lot of like very early morning or sometimes it's very late night travel because I either, like I said, want to be there when my kids get up or end of the day to put them in bed if that's the only thing I get with them.
[00:03:28]  In the whole day, I'm trying to do that and we're trying to make it all work.
[00:03:31]  Do you stick to a skincare routine or just embrace the chaos?
[00:03:35]  Oh, God.
[00:03:36]  I mean, I would love to say that I have like a whole thing.
[00:03:38]  Now, if you ask my husband, he's like, what takes so long in the bathroom?
[00:03:41]  Like, aren't all these men like always upset as taking so long?
[00:03:44]  So, are you the one who's late or is he the one who's late?
[00:03:46]  No, I'm all, it takes me a while.
[00:03:48]  I want to get everything right.
[00:03:49]  We're trying to maintain this, Katie.
[00:03:50]  My God.
[00:03:52]  I don't have like a specific brand or anything, but I feel like I've collected a lot of things over the years that I like.
[00:03:59]  I use literally from Amazon, it's like the cheapest vitamin C serum that my friend turned me on to.
[00:04:05]  And I feel like, It's made a difference.
[00:04:06]  I'm into kind of like the peptide train with GHKCU.
[00:04:10]  It's like a hair, skin, and nails peptide.
[00:04:12]  You can put it on topically.
[00:04:14]  And, you know, we all try to do our best.
[00:04:16]  When I can, God knows I try to get a facial, but that is, they're few and far between.
[00:04:21]  And I'm always embarrassed when I go in.
[00:04:22]  They're like, when was your last facial?
[00:04:23]  And I'm like, you don't want to know.
[00:04:26]  But yeah, it's kind of chaos, I think, all the time.
[00:04:28]  And, you know, if you're doing hair and makeup for TV, there's a lot on here.
[00:04:34]  And so it can get a little bad for your skin.
[00:04:36]  Well, I was just.
[00:04:37]  For a while, I'd gotten into putting on fake eyelashes that took an hour and a half.
[00:04:41]  Oh my god.
[00:04:41]  And why was it taking you that long?
[00:04:43]  No, no, you mean the five?
[00:04:44]  Yeah, the ones that you sit there and emotionally now I'm done.
[00:04:47]  They all came out.
[00:04:48]  But I just need to tell everybody that now I have no of my real eyelashes are all gone.
[00:04:52]  That's why they never did those.
[00:04:54]  Gone.
[00:04:54]  Yeah.
[00:04:54]  So, like, beauty hacks are not beauty hacks.
[00:04:56]  No, well, I think there are some things that are worth it and some that are not.
[00:04:59]  The eyelashes that are kind of like glued onto your eyes permanently, I can't do.
[00:05:05]  I do the ones that I got on right now, I will take off when I go home tonight.
[00:05:08]  They will come off.
[00:05:09]  Because I need to have a fully scrubbed face.
[00:05:11]  Some of that stuff is less is more with, because you're right.
[00:05:15]  My fear was always if I scrub my eyes too hard, then my eyelashes are just gonna rip out.
[00:05:20]  And then, like, I can't have that.
[00:05:22]  No, man.
[00:05:23]  No, it's terrible.
[00:05:24]  I know, I can't do it.
[00:05:25]  What's something you said no to recently that was really hard to decline?
[00:05:29]  Oh, man.
[00:05:31]  I feel like it's, you're always trying to balance spending time with, you know, the people who matter, like my parents, my family in North Carolina, my kids.
[00:05:44]  But sometimes, you know, whenever you're going at such a rapid pace, you just have to say, you know, we can't make it out to this dinner tonight.
[00:05:52]  We can't go meet up with this group of people.
[00:05:55]  I'm going to take time.
[00:05:56]  And I think it's especially important, and you and Stephen probably know this, to take time for one another in a relationship as a couple.
[00:06:03]  Eric and I get invited to a lot of things.
[00:06:06]  I know you probably feel the same way.
[00:06:08]  And oftentimes we come together and we discuss if our schedules work out for it.
[00:06:14]  But if we only have one day a week, That it'll just be the two of us.
[00:06:17]  We have to take that one day a week.
[00:06:19]  And so I feel like we say no to a lot more things than we want to, but you gotta have that time.
[00:06:25]  You gotta give yourself kind of like decompression time and time as a couple together and time as a family together because it's important and it connects you and you don't get that time back.

=== Grandpa in Special Times (03:00) ===

[00:06:35]  From the outside, your life looks, I think, to most Americans, incredibly glamorous.
[00:06:40]  What's been the best event you've gone to in the last two years?
[00:06:43]  Oh, wow.
[00:06:45]  Man, well, the glamour on Spirit Airlines sometimes.
[00:06:49]  That's the funny thing, I know it's highs and lows.
[00:06:52]  Yeah, listen, I literally, to fly here today, was on an American Airlines flight, which was lovely.
[00:06:57]  We got here on time, despite a toilet situation on the plane, apparently.
[00:07:00]  But I looked out the window, and there was Trump Force One right out the window, parked there.
[00:07:05]  And I was like, what?
[00:07:06]  This is a little.
[00:07:07]  Did no one offer me a ride?
[00:07:08]  Yeah, no, they did not offer me a ride.
[00:07:10]  It's fine.
[00:07:10]  I don't mind it at all.
[00:07:12]  Gosh, the best event that I've been to recently, man, I'm trying to think of anything that honestly would top.
[00:07:20]  Election night in 2024.
[00:07:22]  I mean, you know, we get invited to a lot of cool stuff.
[00:07:25]  I think New Year's Eve at Mar a Lago is pretty epic.
[00:07:28]  Just going there, every time I go there, I really revel in the fact that we are living in such a time and with such a president that we're never going to see anything like this again.
[00:07:39]  I mean, was it Vanilla Ice?
[00:07:40]  Vanilla Ice was sick.
[00:07:42]  Ice, Ice, Baby, and then Ninja Wrap.
[00:07:43]  Are you kidding me?
[00:07:44]  I was so here for that.
[00:07:45]  But yeah, to physically be in the presence of the 45th and 47th president on election night in 2024.
[00:07:53]  The ultimate comeback, the art of the comeback, I don't think anything will ever top that.
[00:07:58]  That was such an epic moment.
[00:07:59]  We'll continue on this memory train for a second.
[00:08:01]  But everyone knows the president, and you've said this repeatedly that he's a great family man, loves kids, great with kids.
[00:08:07]  Yes.
[00:08:08]  What would your kids say about their favorite memory with their grandfather or what they look forward to the most?
[00:08:14]  Well, they, I always talk about this too, this is such a grandparent thing.
[00:08:18]  They kind of get them like hyped up and then they give them back to you.
[00:08:21]  And I feel like my parents do it, and my father in law is no different.
[00:08:25]  And that comes by way sometimes of candy.
[00:08:28]  Or ice cream, they know if they're always like, Can we go hang out with Grandpa?
[00:08:32]  And I'm like, Why do you want to hang out with Grandpa?
[00:08:34]  The sugar.
[00:08:34]  Because he gives them ice cream, because he's got a candy bowl in his office.
[00:08:38]  There's the cookies right outside.
[00:08:39]  The cookies, there's always stuff there.
[00:08:41]  They still know in his office at Mar-a-Lago, if they creep up there sometimes, that there may be a little treat left up there for them still, because they remember going to that office a lot.
[00:08:50]  But you know what?
[00:08:51]  I think they're starting to understand a little bit more who he is.
[00:08:56]  And I see my son being a little like, A little like, you know, starstruck with him sometimes.
[00:09:01]  And he's like, wait a minute, grandpa's the president?
[00:09:04]  That's really cool.
[00:09:05]  And I think before he was just grandpa, which I love so much.
[00:09:10]  But it's really cool to see my kids make these connections and be old enough to appreciate who he is in this time because, you know, again, this is such a special time.
[00:09:19]  Who gets to say that, you know, their grandfather is president of the United States and arguably the most consequential and historic president in the history of America, save for the one who founded the country?
[00:09:31]  So, I'm loving that with them as well and their connection with grandpa.
[00:09:35]  I think it's very cool.

=== Mom Guilt and Marriage (14:34) ===

[00:09:36]  There's a new push among moms on social media to not put their kids' faces on the internet for both the kids' privacy and for their security.
[00:09:44]  Yet, you're in a situation where your kids' faces are going to be public, whether you choose to or not, because of news media taking pictures.
[00:09:51]  How do you balance the need for or the want for privacy with that of just being in the public life, even outside of your own personal decisions?
[00:10:00]  Well, I think that I try to.
[00:10:03]  Live my life and give my kids as normal a life as possible.
[00:10:09]  And they think it's cool to be on.
[00:10:11]  They're like, are you going to put that on Instagram?
[00:10:14]  Like, how do you know what Instagram is?
[00:10:15]  They're six and eight.
[00:10:16]  Now, mind you, they don't have a phone.
[00:10:18]  They will not, and they will not have a social media account for many, many, many years.
[00:10:23]  Does Eric agree with the postings and think the same thing as you?
[00:10:27]  Well, I think he and I both agree on it.
[00:10:31]  What's interesting is that the one person who sort of has.
[00:10:35]  Told us maybe we should do less is my father in law.
[00:10:38]  And I think, you know, God knows he's been through a lot, right?
[00:10:42]  And I think he thinks about the safety of his family a lot, given his experiences.
[00:10:48]  And he's kind of been a little wary of that too.
[00:10:50]  But you're right.
[00:10:51]  Listen, they're going to be out there anyway.
[00:10:53]  And I want to be the same kind of mom as all of my friends are.
[00:10:58]  And some of that comes with celebrating these big moments.
[00:11:01]  And, you know, I think just the other day, my son had his playoff baseball game.
[00:11:06]  And I was so proud of him and he was so excited.
[00:11:08]  And I posted a picture of us.
[00:11:09]  Together and gave them the accolades for it.
[00:11:12]  And it feels good as a parent to be able to do that.
[00:11:14]  But you do think sometimes in the back of your mind, you got to be careful.
[00:11:17]  I'm not going to put where they go to school out.
[00:11:19]  I'm not going to make sure there's no insignia in the background so crazy people can find them.
[00:11:25]  So you do have to be conscious of those things, sadly, in this day and age.
[00:11:30]  Would you say you're a wine night mom, a workout mom, a Pilates mom?
[00:11:35]  Where do you fall on the, where do you define yourself?
[00:11:39]  Oh, I kind of feel like I'm a little bit of all of those.
[00:11:42]  I mean, I love a wine night, absolutely.
[00:11:45]  I love a good, you know, CrossFit gym session.
[00:11:48]  I do get down with Pilates as well.
[00:11:52]  So, yeah, I kind of, I try to, I feel like I have a lot of different groups of friends actually, and we all kind of can vibe together or separately.
[00:11:59]  And so I get down with all of them.
[00:12:01]  Yeah, no shade on any of those.
[00:12:04]  You stepped back from your role at the RNC and very publicly decided against.
[00:12:09]  running for Senate in North Carolina.
[00:12:11]  Do you think you will get back into politics in the sense of running, or do you think the timing just wasn't right for you and your family?
[00:12:19]  And you've talked about this a lot.
[00:12:20]  Yeah.
[00:12:21]  I mean, you asked me what is one hard decision that I've had to make or something I said no to lately.
[00:12:29]  And that was, you know, a little over a year ago.
[00:12:31]  That was an incredibly tough decision for me.
[00:12:35]  You know, I have been able to see through my father in law the highs and the lows of public service.
[00:12:43]  And, you know, whenever you kind of hear that calling in so many ways, you feel very drawn in that direction.
[00:12:50]  And I can certainly say, That I think for all of us in the family, we've been able to see firsthand the great impact somebody can have.
[00:12:58]  And so the timing was just not going to work out for me.
[00:13:02]  You know, whenever I talked to the friends of mine who were in the Senate at the time and I heard the schedule, it would have required me to be away from my children for four or five days a week, sometimes longer.
[00:13:15]  I mean, my gosh, this group of senators that's in right now, they have been going hard for sure since January of 25.
[00:13:25]  I would never say never to it.
[00:13:27]  And I think, and I say this to my father in law too, because no one wanted me to do that more than he did.
[00:13:33]  If this is something that God has planned for my life, he will bring it back around for me and I will know and it will feel right.
[00:13:39]  But that was, it was incredibly tough to kind of turn that down and say, I'm going to step back from this because I did feel very drawn in that direction.
[00:13:47]  When he won in 2015 and has been president, you know, for the better part of a decade almost.
[00:13:57]  Would you say that you knew early on that you wanted a political future?
[00:14:02]  Or would you say that you kind of grew, the bug grew as you stepped more into this limelight and what its politics, because the president wasn't a politician before this?
[00:14:12]  Oh, no.
[00:14:12]  I would say I never had any political aspirations.
[00:14:16]  And I think everyone in our family would say we were pretty green when it came to politics.
[00:14:20]  We were novices.
[00:14:21]  I mean, you can go back to those early days, Katie, and you can see that very clearly.
[00:14:26]  But we kind of all got thrown in the fire.
[00:14:28]  And I don't think there's a better way to learn than.
[00:14:31]  Look, you get thrown in the deep end, you either sink or swim.
[00:14:35]  And I think we all figured out pretty well and pretty quickly how to swim.
[00:14:39]  People are always like, Did you guys get a lot of media training?
[00:14:42]  We got zero media training in 2015 and 2016.
[00:14:46]  It was the Hope Hicks School of Media Training back then.
[00:14:49]  I remember, you know, they were like, Oh, MSNBC wants to have you on for an interview.
[00:14:53]  And I was like, Okay, I'm sure that'll be great.
[00:14:55]  I had no idea these people even were going to be like nasty to us.
[00:14:58]  And then after the interview, I was like, God, that was kind of challenging.
[00:15:02]  So, no, I don't think any of us had any real ideas.
[00:15:06]  But yeah, look, as you go along and as you see what's possible, and as you see, again, like the great, great impact that one person can have on so many, I think it does kind of open your eyes to potential in the future and a lot of new paths.
[00:15:21]  And I think the entire family would probably say the same.
[00:15:25]  When you look at your family and you say, Eric and I's marriage has been strengthened, presumably, by this time in your life.
[00:15:36]  But I'm sure there's also lows.
[00:15:38]  I'm sure there's also hard times, not knowing that your father in law was going to run for president, not knowing that this was going to be what is a decade of your life and the future of it that was decided outside of your control.
[00:15:50]  How would you say to other women who are dealing with things on a much smaller scale?
[00:15:56]  How would you relate these, you know, how you keep a strong marriage?
[00:16:00]  There's so many women now who are getting divorced or choosing to delay marriage, but yet you've stayed in yours, it's strengthened.
[00:16:07]  You are an incredible couple to look up to with two beautiful kids.
[00:16:11]  You know, what would your message be to those women?
[00:16:13]  I think it's so important.
[00:16:15]  First of all, I love that we are being very honest with a younger generation about not waiting on so much, not waiting on marriage, not waiting on having kids.
[00:16:26]  I was guilty like so many.
[00:16:28]  Of, you know, because I came from the generation of, you know, we all have to put our careers before family and that's the most important thing.
[00:16:37]  And I remember after Eric and I got married, it was like a year in and he goes, All right, well, we need to figure out about having a kid.
[00:16:45]  We need to start working on this.
[00:16:46]  And I was like, Wait a minute, already?
[00:16:48]  But thank God he did because.
[00:16:49]  How old were you when you had your first?
[00:16:51]  I was 33 and 35 with my daughter.
[00:16:55]  And so, I mean, no spring chicken, but thank God it all worked out and, you know, two healthy babies and two easy pregnancies.
[00:17:03]  Which Eric would say, why didn't we have a third?
[00:17:05]  He's still on that train, but that one's probably left the station for me.
[00:17:09]  But that said, I do love that we are being very honest with young women now, where we're allowing them to prioritize not just a career, but also a family, because I think it is so important.
[00:17:21]  You know, I always say that I don't know what the future holds and I don't know what kind of title I will have one day.
[00:17:28]  I've had some pretty great ones already, but none will ever be more important than the title of mom.
[00:17:33]  And so I think that the foundation.
[00:17:36]  To any great family and to any strong family is the couple themselves.
[00:17:40]  And you know, it's hard with social media.
[00:17:43]  I think we live in an age, especially with you know, online dating and all this stuff, where people are just so apt to swipe and there's something better out there, something better out there.
[00:17:51]  You know, when you make a commitment before God to join with another person and put your lives together, I think it ought to mean something.
[00:18:00]  And I think for both Eric and I, it's been very important to continue to work on ourselves, to continue to work on our relationship every single day.
[00:18:10]  Anyone who tells you it is a walk in the park is lying to you, but it's so worth it because to have a partner there through the highs and through the lows, there's nothing better in life, you know?
[00:18:23]  And Eric and I have been.
[00:18:25]  Through some crazy stuff that no other people will ever be able to relate to, probably save for the Trump family.
[00:18:32]  But man, am I grateful that I've had him by my side and I've been able to be by his side?
[00:18:38]  And I think if you naively go into this process thinking it's going to be easy and that it should be easy, you've been lied to and you're lying to yourself.
[00:18:47]  One of the criticisms that I know you get a lot, I get a lot, is that we are both working moms, yet encouraging other women to have babies younger to.
[00:18:56]  Not forsake their careers, but put motherhood sometimes ahead of their careers.
[00:19:00]  Because I know in my experience, I wish I had kids younger.
[00:19:02]  Yeah.
[00:19:02]  And I'm having kids younger than you did.
[00:19:04]  Yeah, no, I wish I would have had kids younger too, actually.
[00:19:06]  I think about that all the time.
[00:19:08]  Do you think some of the criticism is fair that's directed, I would say, at both of us?
[00:19:12]  Yeah.
[00:19:13]  That says, you know, you guys are telling more women to stay at home with their kids, yet you both are traveling being working moms.
[00:19:20]  How do you square the circle?
[00:19:22]  Yeah, I mean, I understand that.
[00:19:24]  And I would say everyone's life circumstances are different.
[00:19:27]  And there are no two people who are alike out there, and no two families that are alike either.
[00:19:33]  But, you know, look at you.
[00:19:36]  You're sitting here.
[00:19:37]  There's a bun in the oven, Katie.
[00:19:39]  We got another one cooking in here.
[00:19:41]  And I think that if it's something you want, you can make it happen.
[00:19:46]  It is absolutely possible.
[00:19:47]  Now, you have to have a great partner in that.
[00:19:50]  And I think we're both lucky to have great partners in our husbands who, you know, take up the slack when we're not there.
[00:19:55]  And I'm like, you got to take Carolina to gymnastics today because I'm not going to be home in time.
[00:20:00]  So, you have to have that, and you have to have sort of your crew that backs you up.
[00:20:05]  I call my mom in a lot from North Carolina to come stay with the kids if Eric and I are both gone.
[00:20:11]  But it's possible and it's doable.
[00:20:15]  But I get it.
[00:20:16]  Maybe we have different resources than everybody.
[00:20:19]  I don't think any woman ever looks back at her life and says, Man, am I sorry I had kids.
[00:20:25]  I do think a lot of women look back at their life and say, Man, I'm sorry I didn't have kids at the time that I probably could have.
[00:20:31]  Because some of them get to a certain age.
[00:20:33]  And I know I have a lot of friends in this boat right now who said, I'm going to wait, I'm going to wait, I'm going to wait.
[00:20:39]  And then it was too late.
[00:20:40]  And you don't want that either.
[00:20:41]  I think villages are also harder to come by now than they used to be.
[00:20:45]  Yeah, that's probably right.
[00:20:46]  We kind of live in this digital society instead of a maybe more cohesive society that's like physically there for one another.
[00:20:54]  And that's another reason I want people off these screens.
[00:20:57]  You know, I said a second ago, I think Eric and I do not allow our kids an iPad, an iPhone, none of that.
[00:21:03]  And we've made a point forever.
[00:21:05]  When we go out to a restaurant, we're just phones down for us, too.
[00:21:09]  We're not doing that.
[00:21:10]  We want to interact together.
[00:21:12]  And it's amazing to see what our kids will come up with creatively just on their own the games they make up and what they're able to do and talk about.
[00:21:21]  And as a society, I'd love to see us do more of that because I'm really terrified that everyone is just going to be on a phone.
[00:21:28]  You look at a table at any restaurant, half the people are on their phones.
[00:21:31]  And I think that's a really scary place.
[00:21:33]  I don't like that at all.
[00:21:34]  Do you ever get mom guilt?
[00:21:37]  I have mom guilt right now.
[00:21:38]  I'm not picking up.
[00:21:39]  My kids are being picked up at school right now.
[00:21:41]  It's not me.
[00:21:42]  Yes.
[00:21:43]  I have mom guilt all the time.
[00:21:45]  My kids are loving their day.
[00:21:46]  They're at like tennis.
[00:21:48]  They'd say goodbye.
[00:21:49]  We'll see you later.
[00:21:50]  No, I mean, they're fine.
[00:21:51]  And I actually think it leads to more resilient kids, right?
[00:21:56]  But I'm very acutely aware that I'll never get this time back.
[00:22:01]  And so that's why I try so hard to be there for so much.
[00:22:04]  But mom guilt is normal.
[00:22:06]  And I think it's a driver.
[00:22:08]  Like I booked a flight today that.
[00:22:09]  Is probably cutting it very close, but I was like, I'm gonna get back so I can see my kids before they go to bed tonight.
[00:22:16]  So the mom guilt keeps you moving, keeps you hustling.
[00:22:18]  What's the last funniest thing your kid said to you?
[00:22:21]  Oh my gosh.
[00:22:23]  Well, my son told me on the way to school this morning that he was talking about, I guess they're having like some career discussion in class, and that his career would be that he will be a wide receiver for, get ready for it, everybody in Kansas City.
[00:22:39]  He's coming to Kansas City.
[00:22:41]  He's playing for the Chiefs and he's going to be a wide receiver for you guys.
[00:22:44]  So I just want you to know that coming down the pike, Luke Trump.
[00:22:48]  Which, by the way, I'm wishing him the best of luck on that.
[00:22:51]  It's possible.
[00:22:52]  Anything's possible.
[00:22:52]  We'll see what happens.
[00:22:53]  Between you and Eric, who's the more fun parent and who's the strict parent?
[00:22:58]  I feel like we do a pretty good job balancing it out.
[00:23:01]  Although I am the one who is very conscious of like, this is bedtime and we need to kind of like wind it down and Eric will come in and get everybody jazzed up and crazy right before bed and wrestle with everybody and Throw them around, and then everyone is awake, and it's pure chaos.
[00:23:18]  And I always have to be the voice of reason that's like, hey, everybody, we need to calm it down in here.
[00:23:23]  But I think they're, look, it's a little, it's good that they're nervous if anyone says at school, we're going to call your mom or we're going to call your dad.
[00:23:33]  I want them to be nervous about both of those.
[00:23:35]  Shaking in their boots.
[00:23:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:23:36]  So they're nervous about both of those possibilities, which I think is a good place.
[00:23:40]  What's something you swore you would never do as a mom that now happens daily in your life?
[00:23:45]  Oh, man.
[00:23:48]  I feel like, you know, some of the like sweet stuff that I was like, I will only give my child water.
[00:23:57]  And then my kids are like begging me for lemonade.
[00:23:59]  And I try to cut it.
[00:24:00]  I tell the waitress or waiter, I'm like, fill it up with a lot of ice when you do that.
[00:24:06]  But yeah, I mean, sometimes it's just not worth the time.
[00:24:08]  Are you Maha in your household?

=== Parenting Without Friends (06:19) ===

[00:24:10]  Absolutely.
[00:24:11]  Well, we're trying.
[00:24:12]  I mean, I'm trying to do, and it's very tough with kids.
[00:24:16]  Right, like kids are the real test as to whether or not you can be fully maha.
[00:24:21]  Um, because man, they love the trash, they love the packaged foods, they love the macaroni and cheese with the powder.
[00:24:27]  But I think what's gonna who doesn't love the macaroni and cheese?
[00:24:30]  Can I tell you who loves it?
[00:24:31]  Is one of my dogs stole off of our counter, Betty.
[00:24:34]  She's totally nuts, she's a beagle.
[00:24:36]  I'm a crazy dog lady.
[00:24:37]  So she stole off of our counter and a box of I think it was like Annie's.
[00:24:41]  So shout out to Annie's, whatever they're putting in there.
[00:24:43]  The dogs love it.
[00:24:44]  Um, mac and cheese, and she took it in my yard and ate every single piece of it, including the powder inside.
[00:24:49]  So there you go, Betty's into it too.
[00:24:51]  But we're trying.
[00:24:52]  What's one parenting hill you will absolutely die on?
[00:24:57]  I think being in charge.
[00:24:59]  I see so many parents out there who give their kids direction and they say, they give their kids an ultimatum and then they don't back it up.
[00:25:09]  You gotta be in charge and you gotta follow through on it.
[00:25:12]  You are the parent and you are not supposed to be their friend right now.
[00:25:15]  You are supposed to be the one who challenges them, who directs them.
[00:25:20]  So you think gentle parenting is bullshit?
[00:25:22]  I hate gentle parenting.
[00:25:23]  I am not a gentle parent at all.
[00:25:26]  Total bullshit.
[00:25:27]  Not a fan.
[00:25:29]  Yeah.
[00:25:29]  But that stuff, I don't, I'm really curious.
[00:25:33]  Come back to me in 20 years and tell me how that kid turns out.
[00:25:37]  I'm really worried for you.
[00:25:38]  I'm really worried for you.
[00:25:40]  Like, my son the other night was desperate to leave the lights in the hallway on and was like hysterical about turning the lights off.
[00:25:47]  And Eric and I were like, we're turning the lights off.
[00:25:49]  And he kind of whined about it for a while, thinking someone would feel sorry for him.
[00:25:53]  No one felt sorry for him.
[00:25:54]  And guess what?
[00:25:55]  The past two weeks since we've established this rule that we're turning off the lights in the hall, he hasn't even said anything about it.
[00:26:00]  You know why?
[00:26:01]  Because we're in charge.
[00:26:02]  And we made that decision and we followed through on it.
[00:26:04]  That's all.
[00:26:05]  And you can't put empty threats out there for kids that hate it.
[00:26:08]  No, I agree with you.
[00:26:08]  Doesn't work.
[00:26:09]  No, we need firm boundaries.
[00:26:11]  1,000%.
[00:26:12]  What's something that you disagree with Eric on?
[00:26:15]  How long do we have?
[00:26:16]  Oh, no, I'm just kidding.
[00:26:18]  Hmm.
[00:26:20]  In terms of kids or just life?
[00:26:23]  We can go life, politics.
[00:26:27]  Gosh.
[00:26:28]  We can do all of the above.
[00:26:29]  Something, I'm trying to think of something recent.
[00:26:34]  That happened.
[00:26:35]  I mean, I think he, my personal opinion is that I think every, like I said, I think everybody uses phones and stuff too much.
[00:26:42]  And he'll tell you that he uses his phone to get information and like research things, which maybe is true.
[00:26:51]  Or it's just gaslighting.
[00:26:53]  But I've seen some of the scrolls on there.
[00:26:56]  I'm like, wait a minute.
[00:26:58]  So I think sometimes we disagree on that.
[00:27:02]  I think that we've come to a really good place though on our.
[00:27:04]  Kids, to go back to the Maha conversation, it used to be that Eric was 1000% the fun dad and would, like, on Saturdays take the kids up to this little farm we have.
[00:27:15]  And then, you know, they'd come home at like three o'clock and I'd say, Well, what did everybody have for lunch?
[00:27:20]  Oh, we stopped at the gas station and we got like nerd ropes.
[00:27:24]  Yeah, I mean, I almost would like fall out every single time.
[00:27:27]  I'm like, oh my God.
[00:27:28]  And I think he finally understands and appreciates what happens on the other end of that.
[00:27:33]  So we're not doing the nerd ropes anymore.
[00:27:35]  We're not doing any of that.
[00:27:36]  And I also heard, was it that like you can have like five nerds is like your allotment for the year.
[00:27:40]  And then other than that, it's like poison for your body.
[00:27:44]  But we've come to a pretty good consensus on things, I believe.
[00:27:47]  We're getting there.
[00:27:48]  We don't keep packaged foods in the house at all.
[00:27:50]  You don't?
[00:27:51]  No.
[00:27:51]  So what are your kids eating for snacks?
[00:27:53]  Just fruit and stuff?
[00:27:54]  Peanut butter with apples, cheese sticks, beef jerky.
[00:27:58]  Yeah.
[00:27:59]  I mean, we try it.
[00:28:00]  We're on that.
[00:28:01]  It's hard.
[00:28:02]  I'm not saying it's easy.
[00:28:03]  We're trying, I'm trying to do like nuts.
[00:28:05]  We, our kids eat like, they call them moon nuts, but they're like, what's the nuts that shit?
[00:28:09]  Cashews.
[00:28:10]  Oh.
[00:28:10]  They call them moon nuts.
[00:28:11]  I love a moon nut then.
[00:28:12]  I love cashews.
[00:28:13]  Yeah, they eat those with the fruit every night for dessert.
[00:28:15]  They think that's dessert.
[00:28:16]  See?
[00:28:17]  Oh my God.
[00:28:17]  Steven, my last big fight was to your point about the White House.
[00:28:20]  Our last big fight was because every time they go to the White House, we call it trick or treating because you stop in everyone's office and you get candy.
[00:28:27]  Yeah.
[00:28:28]  Ice cream cake, like pick a sweet.
[00:28:31]  Yeah.
[00:28:31]  They love going to the White House because they think that is where you get treats.
[00:28:35]  Well, because they do.
[00:28:36]  Literally all you get is treats.
[00:28:37]  But the problem also is then they go over to other kids' houses andor they're at lunch and my kids will come home from school and say, so and so had this packaged, like absolute trash snack.
[00:28:48]  Can we get those?
[00:28:49]  And I'm like, no, we're not getting gushers or like whatever.
[00:28:52]  So after Easter, where they had like six cookies, we said they were going a whole week without.
[00:28:58]  Sugar.
[00:28:59]  So it's been very difficult in our house.
[00:29:01]  But good for you.
[00:29:02]  It's very tough.
[00:29:04]  It's very tough.
[00:29:05]  But listen, I do appreciate how there is a push in the right direction.
[00:29:10]  It's not easy.
[00:29:11]  No, but with Bobby Kennedy at HHS, I feel like I have seen a difference, at least in grocery stores.
[00:29:17]  And you've seen some of these companies, I think, trying at least a little bit.
[00:29:20]  What do you eat in a day?
[00:29:22]  I try to do morning, like for breakfast, I try to have egg whites and oatmeal.
[00:29:29]  Although I'm not typically a morning eater, but I found that I have to do that.
[00:29:34]  And then, what did I have today?
[00:29:35]  I had a nice smoothie.
[00:29:37]  That was kind of my lunch, but like a hearty smoothie and a green juice.
[00:29:41]  Tonight is pizza night.
[00:29:43]  Okay.
[00:29:44]  So then, how do you keep the arms?
[00:29:45]  Like, what's the arm routine?
[00:29:47]  Well, it's a lot of working out.
[00:29:48]  That's all I do.
[00:29:49]  This is CrossFit.
[00:29:50]  This is, you know, training for triathlons, some Pilates.
[00:29:55]  Have you done a High Rocks?
[00:29:56]  I have.
[00:29:56]  I'm doing one next weekend.
[00:29:58]  That's very exciting.
[00:29:59]  Yeah.
[00:29:59]  But I don't find it, not to sound like this, but I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, this is challenging, but it's not like, Terrible, terrible.
[00:30:07]  I think it's great.
[00:30:08]  I'm all into it.
[00:30:09]  I'm ready to not be pregnant to get pregnant.
[00:30:10]  Are we doing one after this baby's born?
[00:30:12]  100%.
[00:30:12]  I signed up for the Army 10 miler.
[00:30:14]  When is that?
[00:30:15]  It's in October.
[00:30:16]  I figured I would get in shape for the Army 10 miler.
[00:30:19]  I'll come run it with you.
[00:30:19]  Amazing.
[00:30:20]  Let's freaking go.
[00:30:21]  This is my first marathon here in DC, the Marine Corps marathon.
[00:30:24]  I'm going to do the Army 10 miler.
[00:30:25]  Try to get all of them this year.
[00:30:27]  Okay.
[00:30:27]  Okay.
[00:30:28]  Let's go.

=== CrossFit and Training (05:11) ===

[00:30:30]  Are you the more talk it out couple like immediately, or do you like stew and let him know that he's made a wrong choice, like the silent treatment?
[00:30:38]  What are you doing?
[00:30:39]  Eric is the latter, and I am the first one.
[00:30:44]  So we have very different styles.
[00:30:47]  Eric would love to give me the silent treatment, and I am immediately like, let's break it all down.
[00:30:53]  And that is challenging when the other person is not quite on the exact same vibe as you.
[00:30:59]  But I actually think it works out because I sort of Force a conversation, even if maybe it's not ready to happen on that front.
[00:31:07]  Because I can't do it.
[00:31:09]  I gotta have everything balanced.
[00:31:11]  I'm a Libra.
[00:31:12]  I'm a Libra.
[00:31:13]  I'm the opposite.
[00:31:14]  Really?
[00:31:14]  Yeah, no, I'll sit there quietly and just stew.
[00:31:17]  Oh, no.
[00:31:18]  And say thank you very much.
[00:31:19]  But you don't wanna balance it out.
[00:31:20]  You don't wanna have it like done.
[00:31:21]  He needs to talk about it and I just say thank you.
[00:31:23]  Oh, God.
[00:31:24]  But see, I feel like every couple I know, there's one and the other.
[00:31:28]  Yeah.
[00:31:29]  I don't know that you get two that are the same together.
[00:31:31]  This is why it works out.
[00:31:32]  I think it blows up if you're the same person.
[00:31:34]  Probably.
[00:31:34]  So, see, we're working it out.
[00:31:35]  I mean, when's your birthday?
[00:31:37]  October 4th.
[00:31:38]  October 12th.
[00:31:39]  Seems so close.
[00:31:40]  And we're going to run the Army 10 miler in October.
[00:31:43]  I love this.
[00:31:43]  There you go.
[00:31:43]  Good.
[00:31:45]  All right.
[00:31:45]  This is the Trump family confidential.
[00:31:47]  Oh.
[00:31:48]  Can only answer with members of the Trump family.
[00:31:50]  Okay.
[00:31:50]  Let's go.
[00:31:52]  What's something about your father in law that you wish more people knew?
[00:31:56]  I can only answer with the Trump family.
[00:31:58]  Well, like you can, I guess this one's more big.
[00:32:00]  So, what's something about your father in law you wish more people knew that you haven't said publicly?
[00:32:04]  Because you've asked, been asked, asked.
[00:32:06]  I mean, I kind of feel like I've said it all publicly.
[00:32:09]  I wish people knew.
[00:32:11]  That his life, and I just wish people would appreciate, especially people on the other side of the aisle, how much easier his life would have been if he'd never gotten involved in politics.
[00:32:20]  You know, he's the one president to leave the White House with less money than he went into it.
[00:32:25]  I mean, he's had zeros off of his net worth come off because he became president, because he ran for president.
[00:32:33]  You know, they've gone after his businesses, they've gone after his family.
[00:32:36]  His life prior to politics, I mean, my gosh, everybody loved Donald Trump.
[00:32:41]  But he's an incredibly genuine, Good hearted person, and he's doing what he thinks is right.
[00:32:49]  And I remember him saying to all of us before he even ran and announced in 2015 you know what?
[00:32:56]  If I do this, I'm going to do it the right way.
[00:32:59]  And if it means I only get one term in office, then that's okay with me.
[00:33:03]  He's also one of the funniest people I've ever met.
[00:33:05]  Anybody who's around him knows that.
[00:33:07]  Who's secretly the funniest member of the Trump family?
[00:33:10]  Well, I mean, besides the president, it's hard to be Don, right?
[00:33:14]  Like, Don puts it all out there.
[00:33:16]  Donald, Donald.
[00:33:18]  Toe the line of like, is this appropriate?
[00:33:20]  Should I post this or not?
[00:33:21]  And if it's a not, Don's like, I'm going to post it.
[00:33:24]  So, Don is absolutely very funny.
[00:33:27]  But I feel like Jared and I back in 2016 really bonded because typically at all the debates and all the big events, it would be like, you know, Eric, Don, Ivanka, and Tiffany.
[00:33:38]  And then Jared and I would be like right behind them.
[00:33:41]  And we had some really good laughs.
[00:33:43]  Jared's low key funny too for people who don't know.
[00:33:46]  Who gives the most unsolicited advice?
[00:33:51]  Maybe Ivanka.
[00:33:53]  Yeah, but she's got, I feel like she wants to help.
[00:33:56]  Like she always means so well.
[00:33:59]  But, you know, it's okay.
[00:34:01]  We take it all in stride.
[00:34:03]  It's all good.
[00:34:03]  Who gives the best gifts?
[00:34:05]  Ivanka.
[00:34:06]  God, and we're the worst.
[00:34:08]  Eric and I are the absolute worst.
[00:34:10]  I mean, she remembers everything my kids' birthdays, every single time.
[00:34:15]  Don't ask me when the last time I sent my nieces and nephews an actual birthday gift on time because I always fail.
[00:34:23]  I'm the worst.
[00:34:24]  Who is most likely to call just to check in?
[00:34:27]  I'd say my father in law.
[00:34:29]  Yeah, he loves a good late night random call.
[00:34:32]  Chit chat.
[00:34:32]  Early morning chit chat.
[00:34:34]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:34:34]  Who's most likely to be late?
[00:34:37]  Oh, the president.
[00:34:38]  Have you ever been around him?
[00:34:39]  We're always late.
[00:34:41]  Although my husband would say it's me.
[00:34:43]  I just monetize my time and I use it very wisely, I feel.
[00:34:48]  What are family dinners like?
[00:34:50]  They're absolutely hilarious.
[00:34:53]  I mean, it's so entertaining.
[00:34:55]  It kind of runs the gamut.
[00:34:57]  You hear the president talk about how he'll start on a subject and go all the way around, the weave, he calls it.
[00:35:03]  I feel like we do that at every family dinner.
[00:35:05]  It weaves around.
[00:35:06]  So we start on one topic and then it goes crazy and everyone's laughing and he's a consummate storyteller.
[00:35:13]  But it's funny.
[00:35:13]  It's a good time.
[00:35:14]  It's always lighthearted and fun.
[00:35:16]  What's the last text that the president sent you?
[00:35:19]  Oh, I think it was a video.
[00:35:25]  That the White House put out and it just said, Love DJT.
[00:35:30]  It was like a video of some like bombing.
[00:35:35]  He's proud of it.
[00:35:37]  It was good.
[00:35:38]  Send you a video of a bombing, love DJT.
[00:35:39]  Yeah, pro America.

=== Radicalized by Hot Takes (09:34) ===

[00:35:41]  Let's go.
[00:35:41]  Why not?
[00:35:42]  He's just like all of us sending like their best hits around.
[00:35:44]  Like when you did something great on the internet, do you like send the X Post?
[00:35:47]  He's like sending the tweet.
[00:35:49]  Totally.
[00:35:50]  Yeah.
[00:35:50]  All right.
[00:35:51]  Would you rather?
[00:35:53]  Would you rather campaign in heels for 12 hours straight or have your kids melt down during a live televised event?
[00:36:00]  Campaign in heels, because I'd done that.
[00:36:02]  And those kids, you got no idea, Katie.
[00:36:05]  It's just, sky's the limit for where that goes.
[00:36:08]  What do you feel like inside when that happens?
[00:36:10]  Because I know a lot of moms relate to their kids melting down in public, but yet you're doing it in a much more public way.
[00:36:17]  Well, I was kind of terrified at the convention in 24 as to what would happen because my kids came to watch my husband speak and it was late.
[00:36:26]  It was like nine o'clock in Milwaukee, which was like 11 o'clock at home or something.
[00:36:32]  It was late for them.
[00:36:33]  And I was.
[00:36:34]  Terrified that they were going to melt down.
[00:36:36]  My daughter crawled in grandpa's lap and it was all good and everybody settled down.
[00:36:41]  But you don't know.
[00:36:42]  And it's, I mean, my son at the Easter egg roll had a bit of a moment where we had been standing for so long.
[00:36:49]  It was an egregiously long amount of time.
[00:36:51]  Laying on me, like pulling on my suit and like put his hands over his ears.
[00:36:56]  And I was like, oh my gosh.
[00:36:58]  Because everyone's looking at you and you don't want that.
[00:37:01]  But at the same time, you know, I'm like, every parent out there gets this.
[00:37:05]  Because what can you do at a certain point?
[00:37:07]  They're kids.
[00:37:07]  He's eight.
[00:37:08]  What do you want?
[00:37:09]  It's all right.
[00:37:10]  This too shall pass.
[00:37:12]  Would you rather cook every meal or clean every dish?
[00:37:16]  This is tough because technically I'm a pastry chef.
[00:37:19]  Really?
[00:37:19]  Yeah.
[00:37:20]  I moved to New York to go to culinary school.
[00:37:22]  I know.
[00:37:23]  Shut up.
[00:37:23]  Yeah, news you can use or maybe you can't use.
[00:37:26]  What are you making these days?
[00:37:27]  Don't ask me.
[00:37:28]  I knew you were going to ask me that.
[00:37:29]  It's hard because our schedule is so nice.
[00:37:32]  If you had all the time in the world.
[00:37:34]  If I had all the time.
[00:37:35]  So, whenever we have time, I think my favorite thing to do is to have Eric grill out, like get some steaks.
[00:37:42]  Eric grills them.
[00:37:43]  I put together like a really nice salad and we do like sweet potatoes, asparagus.
[00:37:47]  I mean, it's basic, basic stuff.
[00:37:50]  Now, if I'm really going all out and we're like not mahaing it, then there is this very famous chocolate trifle that I make at Christmas and Thanksgiving that my family insists I make.
[00:38:01]  But it is not healthful at all.
[00:38:04]  And it is very high in sugar.
[00:38:06]  I'm sure.
[00:38:06]  Yes.
[00:38:08]  Would you rather crowd surf at Coachella or attend the Masters on crutches?
[00:38:15]  Wow.
[00:38:16]  You know, I'm curious about Coachella, mainly for the outfits.
[00:38:20]  Yeah.
[00:38:21]  So maybe I would give that a go.
[00:38:23]  How do you think they would respond to me out there?
[00:38:25]  I don't know.
[00:38:26]  I don't know either.
[00:38:27]  Maybe I would be lit.
[00:38:28]  It would be lit.
[00:38:29]  After the 10 miler, not our 10 miler, we'll go to Totella.
[00:38:31]  We'll be out there.
[00:38:32]  We'll see there.
[00:38:33]  Would you rather host your cable show with no makeup or do an hour long workout in business attire?
[00:38:37]  Oh, God, the workout.
[00:38:38]  No doubt.
[00:38:39]  We are not doing this no makeup.
[00:38:41]  Are you nuts?
[00:38:42]  No, it's no good.
[00:38:43]  And also, I love a good workout challenge.
[00:38:45]  So maybe we should do that for the show.
[00:38:47]  Maybe we should do that.
[00:38:47]  I think that'd be actually very funny.
[00:38:49]  You've got a business attire.
[00:38:50]  Because I advocate for these gyms in the airports.
[00:38:54]  I love that we've.
[00:38:56]  Yeah, I agree.
[00:38:56]  That I've heard a little bit about this from this administration.
[00:38:59]  And listen, I'll work out in whatever.
[00:39:02]  Would you rather only get three hours of sleep every night or always wake up to the sound of the Fox News alert animation?
[00:39:18]  I feel like I wake up to that every day anyway.
[00:39:21]  That's sort of my day.
[00:39:23]  That's kind of how it starts anyway.
[00:39:25]  So that probably happens.
[00:39:26]  And I mean, sometimes it is only three hours of.
[00:39:28]  Sleep.
[00:39:28]  I know that's not healthy.
[00:39:29]  Who's the best person you've interviewed for your show?
[00:39:32]  People ask me this, but like when you actually think about it, when you're like, that was a good time, I love my job, what was it?
[00:39:37]  I mean, I'd be hard pressed not to say the president and my husband.
[00:39:41]  Okay, that's cheating.
[00:39:42]  That's cheating.
[00:39:43]  You know who I thought was so interesting was the biohacker Brian Johnson.
[00:39:48]  I went out to his house in LA.
[00:39:50]  Did you see the tweet where he said, I just slept with Kate and here's my whoop numbers?
[00:39:54]  Oh.
[00:39:55]  Did you not see this?
[00:39:58]  Well, we got to go do another show with him, I guess.
[00:40:00]  You don't see this online?
[00:40:02]  Like last week, he posted a thing.
[00:40:04]  It's probably 11 p.m. Eastern.
[00:40:06]  I don't know what time zone he exists in.
[00:40:07]  How are his numbers?
[00:40:08]  And he's like, I just slept with Danny, and here's my whoop data.
[00:40:12]  You know what?
[00:40:13]  Good for him.
[00:40:13]  That's really a little much for me.
[00:40:15]  I found it very interesting, and I would have liked to have spent more time there to biohack myself a little bit more.
[00:40:23]  But yeah, I found that one very fascinating just because I'm into all that.
[00:40:27]  What's a conspiracy theory that you believe in?
[00:40:30]  Oh, man.
[00:40:33]  Well, the swamp.
[00:40:34]  You know what's funny is I used to hear people say that and I was like, why do people use that term?
[00:40:39]  And then you come here and you experience some of what goes on in DC and you pull back the curtain a little bit and you're like, yeah, this is a swamp.
[00:40:48]  And I totally get it.
[00:40:50]  I will say, Baron being a time traveler was an interesting one, but that's not it.
[00:40:54]  It's a funny one.
[00:40:55]  What's your most liberal take?
[00:40:57]  I mean, I feel like, you know, a lot of people are, I would say, in the conservative movement are, Fiscally conservative, but liberal on a lot of fronts.
[00:41:10]  I mean, I have so many gay friends, and you know, I'm into all of that.
[00:41:15]  I'm totally fine with love who you love.
[00:41:17]  And I'm generally a person who believes that as long as whatever you're doing isn't harming anyone else, I'm all about you doing it.
[00:41:28]  So you're not going to do it.
[00:41:29]  Do you hold the line at transgender though?
[00:41:32]  Well, I don't care what you do as an adult, but I think anybody pushing things on young children is outrageous and absolutely egregious.
[00:41:39]  What's the first app you open in the morning?
[00:41:43]  You know what I check all the time is the Daily Mail.
[00:41:45]  They have a hot take on everything.
[00:41:47]  You can kind of get, if you run down the Daily Mail, what everybody's talking about on kind of all different fronts.
[00:41:53]  And I'm like, let me just see what.
[00:41:54]  Do you pay the $1.99 a month?
[00:41:56]  I must.
[00:41:56]  Do you have to pay that?
[00:41:57]  Yeah, for like, they now put everything behind a paywall.
[00:42:00]  Oh, then I guess they do.
[00:42:02]  Guilty.
[00:42:02]  I didn't even know I did that.
[00:42:03]  Yeah, apparently I'm a subscriber.
[00:42:05]  Little did I know.
[00:42:07]  Yeah.
[00:42:08]  Which AI do you use?
[00:42:09]  Do you use AI?
[00:42:11]  I mean, a little bit.
[00:42:12]  I'm not, I need to get better at using it because I know it can be very useful.
[00:42:17]  I use ChatGPT every now and again, but I'm not as adept at using it as I probably should be.
[00:42:24]  And I have friends say, like, oh, yeah, it'll fully arrange like my whole schedule and map things out for me and be an assistant.
[00:42:29]  I'm like, oh, that's great.
[00:42:31]  But I need a tutorial on how to get there because I don't know how to get there.
[00:42:35]  And so, yeah, I mean, I'm behind the ball, but I would like to be more on it.
[00:42:39]  What are you and Eric watching on TV right now?
[00:42:41]  We're the worst at watching anything.
[00:42:43]  You know why?
[00:42:44]  Because he'll start watching something before I'm in our room, and then I come in and I don't know what it is.
[00:42:51]  He was really into what's the one out west?
[00:42:55]  I think it's on Paramount, isn't it?
[00:42:58]  What is it?
[00:42:58]  Yellowstone.
[00:42:59]  He was really into that, and I came in like midway and I was like, I don't know what's going on.
[00:43:02]  I don't know who these characters are, and then I'll start something and he doesn't know anything.
[00:43:05]  So we're the worst.
[00:43:07]  What radicalized you the most?
[00:43:09]  Radicalized me?
[00:43:10]  Yeah.
[00:43:11]  I don't know.
[00:43:12]  Is there something else?
[00:43:12]  Am I radicalized?
[00:43:13]  I think like all of us are radicalized about something, right?
[00:43:17]  When you learn a new piece of information, you're like, man, that really radicalized me.
[00:43:21]  I'm trying to think about something.
[00:43:24]  I mean, I think.
[00:43:24]  Or would you not describe yourself as a radical?
[00:43:26]  I don't think I'm a radical at all.
[00:43:28]  I think that having seen what my father in law went through with, you know, the weaponization of everything basically government wise against him for the four years he was out of office was pretty insane.
[00:43:43]  And I think to go through something like that as a family gives you a.
[00:43:49]  Unique perspective that maybe a lot of people don't have.
[00:43:52]  So maybe that radicalized me a little.
[00:43:54]  Yeah.
[00:43:54]  So the final question on the pod if you could host a dinner party with three people, dead or alive, who's sitting at the table and what are you eating?
[00:44:01]  Oh my gosh.
[00:44:05]  So, I'm very into ancient Egyptian history.
[00:44:09]  So, I would have to go Cleopatra because I find her very interesting.
[00:44:12]  There's a really good podcast on Cleopatra.
[00:44:14]  I've got to send it to you.
[00:44:15]  Fab.
[00:44:15]  Send it my way.
[00:44:18]  I also think that Elizabeth I was pretty badass.
[00:44:23]  You know, she just kind of did it all herself in England there and didn't let any men come into play.
[00:44:29]  And she's like, I got this.
[00:44:30]  Y'all can all sit over on the side.
[00:44:32]  So, I'd love to talk to her.
[00:44:34]  And I guess all of mine are dead people.
[00:44:36]  George Washington.
[00:44:37]  I got a lot of questions for him too about his take on a lot of things going on as really one of the founders of our country.
[00:44:45]  And what are we eating?
[00:44:47]  Oh man, I feel like maybe I'll let Cleopatra set the table for that because I don't know much about Egyptian food, but I'm always open to new exotic foods.
[00:44:59]  So maybe we're eating Egyptian.
[00:45:01]  I don't know.
[00:45:01]  Or maybe I'll bring them sushi because I feel like that would knock their socks off.
[00:45:05]  Nobody would be ready for that.
[00:45:06]  Thank you for doing this.
[00:45:07]  You're so welcome.
[00:45:08]  Thank you.
[00:45:09]  Thanks for watching this episode of the Katie Miller podcast.
[00:45:12]  We'll see you next week.
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[00:45:15]  Catch you then.