Tristan Thompson and Katie Miller explore post-NBA life, discussing AI investments, co-parenting four children with strict no-video rules, and advocating for NIL rights. They debate the 2028 Olympics transgender ban, Jeffrey Epstein's alleged murder, and moon landing hoaxes, while sharing routines involving timer-based bedtimes and diets of Nobu seafood. Ultimately, their candid dialogue on legacy, conspiracy theories, and family dynamics challenges conventional narratives regarding athlete futures and public perception. [Automatically generated summary]
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People are fearful that AI like, oh, it's going to take over our job.
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Hi, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of the Katie Miller Podcast.
We're so excited to be back in Washington, D.C. today, joined by Tristan Thompson.
Katie, thank you for having me.
By the way, I love the clubs.
I love it.
The morning, the mic.
I love this.
Branded stuff.
It's important when someone shares your clips now, they don't often credit the creator.
And so instead of getting upset about it, you brand it.
So that way somebody, when they go to share it, can eventually link back to where the full episode is.
No, you're definitely right.
So branding is important, right?
Note to self.
So what are Tristan Thompson doing in Washington, D.C.?
Great question.
No, what I'm doing here is came in town for Halen Valley for myself, especially in this in-between stage of, you know, playing professional sports and transition to what chapter two, but which really is kind of, I would say, more the older adult years of my life, just because as athletes, you know, us getting drafted and playing an MGA at such a young age, you know, most people when they start their career path, don't start till their mid-30s.
And me being 35, just newly 35.
I'm not an unk guy, so just make sure you guys know that.
It's exciting.
So just getting in more of technology, government, trying to bring that, bridge that world together and kind of sit at the intersection of all that.
Your personal life has played out very publicly.
When did you realize it was more than just the traditional general news interest, typical celebrity attention?
I think you noticed it once, you know, popular.
I think living in LA, you notice, you know, extra cameras and I think you notice that people start to watch what you wear, where you go.
But for me, it was never really an issue.
To be honest, crazy enough to say it's like people are like, does it everybody?
I'm like, it's just part of my destiny, part of my journey.
So it never bothered me.
For me, I actually didn't mind.
I don't mind it because it means I like to wear nice clothes.
So it means I can get a nice fit off.
So I don't mind it.
Are you an outfit repeater?
No, never that.
Never.
Once you wear it once, you got to either give it to my little brother.
But okay, let's be real.
This I'm going to probably wear again because this is a nice Tom Ford.
This is a quarter zip.
This will be worn again.
But something very loud and outgoing.
If it's like a runway piece from Given Chief, it's a runway piece from Balenciaga that's very out and loud, I will never reuse.
Were you always into fashion or did that happen?
Oh, always.
I remember going, I lived in New Jersey, going to Garden State Plaza, going to H ⁇ M and going to Apercombe and Finch, like doing all that and buying.
So I've always been into clothes.
I think I get it from my mom because she always loved to dress up.
And like my mom would be the starter.
So when she puts that outfit on, you know, Andrea's walking in the building.
And she was 6'1, so she'll stand up.
Do you think being tied to their Kardashians and have having been on reality TV amplified mistakes or just exposed mistakes?
I think, you know, when you're on TV, I think, yes, you're under a magnifying glass.
And I think that's just the reality.
And I think the beautiful thing, what I always like to tell people is that we're all humans, right?
We all make mistakes.
And I think, you know, when you're young, we all, you know, bump our heads on the road.
And I think it's how we persevere and champion back from that.
I think it's the most important thing.
But, you know, for me, you know, it's part of my journey.
I never take it for granted.
And I think it's helped shape me to where I am now.
And it's life lessons.
Was there anything that wasn't captured on camera that you wish the public knew?
No, I think everything happens for a reason.
I think, you know, what we show on the show is fine.
I don't think I've never, there's nothing missing.
I think now I'm in a position where I think social media is so strong in the presence that I'm able to, whatever we might not get in an hour show program, I can show on social media and it's still going to draw the same amount of views and viewerships.
I agree.
Based on your personal experience, do you believe the Kardashian curse is real?
No, it doesn't exist.
I think that's something where people that are low vibration and have nothing to talk about, that want views, make up this curse.
So I think it's just for social media banter.
So you have how many kids?
I have four.
What does your relationship look like with each of the mothers of your children?
Oh, great.
I mean, we're all friends.
I think we're all family, right?
And they were all family.
We all have each other's contact info.
We're all in a great place.
I think that's the number one thing, right?
I think at the end of the day, no matter how you chop it up and no matter how you want to put it together, we're all tied together.
We're all family.
And our kids are all siblings and they're going to be in each other's life for a long time.
And I think all of us are mature enough to understand what's the most important thing.
And it's our little tribe.
What does co-parenting look like for you?
And what's your typical day like with your children?
Yeah.
I mean, co-parenting is great.
I mean, the mother of my children, they've been amazing.
I think the beauty is that all of us are mature enough to understand that we all want to be great as parents and we're all on the same line of communication.
But what we've learned is that we just want the best for our children.
And it's very easy to co-parent when you have the same beliefs that you want best for the kids.
And we're all mature enough to understand that, you know, life is life, right?
And I think as long as we have a strong support system and our tribe is tight and we have each other's back, that's the most beautiful thing.
And I mean, shout out all, you know, shout out my kids' mothers.
They're phenomenal.
They're great.
They make my life easy.
And for me, as being a parent, you know, I take my kids to school.
I do the carpool.
I am the dad that goes to Target and Claire's.
And I love the fact that my kids love Target.
All kids love Target.
I love it because it's like, you know, I see other parents and their kids love like Neiman Marcus and Sax.
I'm like, nope.
My kids, they love Target.
They love KDJ sweaters.
They love nice knits.
They have to go to Claire's and get glitter.
I'm like, this is amazing.
And then after that, we go get some ice cream.
And it's, I love it.
I mean, my kids.
So where are you on refined sugar for your kids?
Are you like maha in your life where you're watching and doing the whole foods thing?
Or do you say 80-20?
Where are you on that with parenting?
I mean, my kids' moms are very big on the whole red dive or like that's more them.
And I understand that.
And, you know, the new fruit loose, we don't have that in the house.
So they do Cheerios, honey, not Cheerios.
So I definitely understand that because of course.
Do you get crucified by taking them to ice cream?
No, they give me a pass on that because I said that's one of our moments like Baskin Robbins is something like special to us because like they got so many dyes in that Baskin Robbins ice cream.
You cannot go all the way.
You know, it's got to be a little bit, right?
And then I said, you know, we say, look how I turned down.
That's not too bad.
You know, so.
There's like, Jenny, is there so many better options?
Well, you know, listen, I'm a dad where like, if I, I'll tell you what, if I tell my kids, you know, you can get four things at Target and they say, dad, can I get some more?
Do you do the fifth and sixth things?
Yeah.
So when we're driving by and they say they want basketball, I was like, Alexis, they finished school.
They did their homework.
They're going to gymnastics.
I'm like, I'm a sucker.
You know, my kids, they got me wrapped around the finger.
How do you make sure that all of your children feel equally loved?
I mean, I think it's just having a schedule.
I think the beauty is that all my kids are relatively around the same age and they love spending time with each other, right?
My nine-year-old Prince, my A-year-old True and my three-year-olds, they all love spending time with each other.
And we always do activities where they can all be together.
But I think it's great, you know, for my three-year-olds to be around their older siblings because it helps them mature, right?
I remember when, I agree.
I remember when True was watching her cousins, you know, go on the scooter and True didn't know how to do because she didn't have older siblings.
But now seeing like Tatum, like watching True get on the scooter, now he wants to do it.
Like that's the fun part.
So I love the fact that like we always do activities together.
But Prince and True, they like being older siblings and like catering to the younger ones.
Are you vigilant about helmets while scootering?
This is controversial in my house.
No, no, you got to wear it.
Okay, so this is what I'll say.
Tatum, you're wearing a helmet.
Because he's a Tasmanian devil.
He is as like wild.
He's like, he's fearless.
He will go see a big dog.
Me, I don't like big dogs because they don't speak English.
So I don't like dogs.
Yes, yes, I don't like dogs.
Are you anti-pitbull as well?
They don't speak English.
No, I don't trust dogs.
Because you know why?
I'll tell you why.
Growing up as a kid, when we lived, it was like government housing.
The older ladies that were smoking cigarettes would always have big dogs.
And every time I'd walked by, the dogs would start barking.
These are big black dogs.
I don't know what kind of dogs they were, but they look like monsters.
And I was like nine years old.
Then one evening, my dad came home with a dog bite on his butt.
So after then, I said, I don't trust these dogs because these ladies are like, oh, these dogs are nice, but they always bark loud.
So I think it's like a childhood trauma.
How has becoming a father changed the way you make decisions?
Oh, it's changed a lot.
But I think it's good.
It's for the better, right?
I think, and I talk to a lot of my friends that are around the same age that don't have kids.
I think when you're in your 30s and you don't have children, I think your responsibilities are less, right?
You don't plan for the future.
You plan for like just right now.
And you just live life for what it is and what's in front of you.
But for me as a parent, it's about not only just the decisions you make, it's like, what's the best for my children's future?
But also it's like, what kind of legacy you want to live, right?
What kind of legacy you want to leave behind?
Because everyone says, you know, you're going to live to your seven, you live to your 60, but the reality, my mom passed away at 55, right?
So for me, I treat every day as almost like it's my last to say, how can I leave an imprint in my children's life where, God forbid, something happens to me.
They're like, I remember my dad doing this.
I remember my dad taking a leap of faith and going to DC and going to Hill and Valley and stepping outside his comfort zone to be a part of something bigger than himself.
Do you think you're going to have more kids?
I mean, if God has it in my plans, so be it.
But listen, I'm open.
I love children.
Has your personal views changed on anything since you've become a father?
Personal views have changed.
Not much.
I think for me, I'm always like the big popular.
I'm very protective of my kids.
I think, I mean, I am the father that doesn't do short films or short clips.
I don't let my kids watch short clips because I don't think it's good for their brain.
I think me personally, being around friends that have social media and do a lot of that scrolling, I feel like sometimes it makes your emotions go high and low too much.
And I like my kids to be, you know, I'm very old school.
And I think the way my parents raised me and my kids' mothers, I think we have very much similar beliefs.
So I think that's why it works.
So we're very, we try to shelter them as much as we can before they have to go into the real world.
Do you pay attention to how your kids are educated in school and what they're being taught?
Of course.
I think it's very important because, you know, they spend eight to nine hours.
And the beautiful thing about my kids' school, you know, they are the principal and the curriculum.
the way they operate the school and they give us so many updates.
I'm not sure the school your kids go to, but like they always send like homeschooled.
Oh, amazing.
I don't trust other people with my children.
So Chloe was homeschooled for a long time.
She was homeschooled.
But I love the fact that they address so many different cultures and like history.
And my kids do Spanish and they do French.
And I like that because me grew up in Canada, that's how we were raised.
We're like not just live in a box, but like learn what else the world has to offer and be global with the education.
Do you feel like sports has shifted over the past few years to become more political over the course of your career?
Well, I think for athletes in general, I think we're no different than every other person that walks planet Earth, right?
I think, you know, you should have the platform to be able to speak your mind.
What I tell anyone, athlete, celebrity, the guy, the janitor that works next door, it's just do your homework, do your due diligence, and just if you're going to speak up, just have the right info and resources to support however you feel in your stance.
The one thing I do love about athletes, what we're doing now is taking more ownership of what we're doing in our career, especially from the business perspective.
I think we're becoming more from the ownership mentality and not so much the brand ambassador like, here's this Gatorade cup.
Drink it now, quench your thirst.
You know, it's like having ownership in these companies.
Have you ever felt the pressure to take a stance on something publicly?
The one thing I'm very, very passionate about is NIL.
That's one area that I'm very passionate about because I was a collegiate athlete and I understand the importance and I look at it more so.
You know, right now, I think it's a lot of the former head coaches.
They're part of the roundtable and talking about what they feel about NIL.
But we have nobody from the player perspective, the collegiate athlete, that's an advocate and talk about it.
And I feel for myself, I could be definitely a voice because I've walked those hallways.
I understand the importance of financial literacy.
I come from a community where, you know, the guys that were making the most money were the guys that were not making the money the best.
So you think the monetization of college sports has helped college sports and helped athletes, not the other way around?
No, I think NIL is good for players, I think, because the reality is that before they used to pay you through the back door, now they pay you through the front door.
I think the next step, because I know a lot of people are saying these players are getting paid a lot of money.
I think it's how can we set up these kids for financial success once they're done playing?
Because the reality is that only 1% of these young men are going to play in the pros.
So they'll be able to keep making money at that tax bracket or that rate.
But there's going to be a lot of guys when they're done college after four or five years.
We want to make sure they have enough capital and cash.
So when they start the real world and have their real job, most entry-level jobs, you might get 50 to 70K.
And I think for a lot of these collegiate athletes, they're discouraged by that because they're used to getting $250,000, half a million dollars.
And I think if we're able to set up a financial planning structure where they're able to put their money in more safe yield bonds or where it can just accumulate interest safely, where, hey, when you have that conversation as a financial advisor, say, hey, young man, you didn't make the pros.
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It's okay.
But we have X amount of money saved up.
It's giving us this return each and every year.
It's okay to take a job that's less than what you're getting at NIL because now you're into the real workforce where you can build yourself up, where we have this honeycomb of capital where you're still protected.
Do you think sometimes athletes feel pressure to take an issue to take a stand on an issue that they don't fully understand?
Yeah, I think people in general, I think if you don't have the information or you don't really understand what's going on, I think you shouldn't step up and give your opinion because I think, you know, we get, especially as athletes, we get one shot at this, right?
We are not as fortunate as other people who can, you know, have an opinion, go quiet for a couple years and reinvent the wheel, right?
At the end of the day, you know, what we say always sticks forever just because we're very prominent faces.
And the reality is that the media doesn't expect much from us in terms of what we feel in our stance.
So I always tell guys, do your homework and do your research before you make a stance.
But of course, if you believe in something, feel free and have at it.
What are your thoughts on the WNBA's history and recent social justice activism?
Do you think that has a place in sports or do you think that should stay on the sidelines?
No, I think for the WNBA, I think, first of all, I give a lot of credit.
They are, to be honest, they're the real champions in our sport in basketball because of what they have to go through.
And obviously, the controversy there.
But I think the bright spot is that, you know, with their new CBA that just got passed, they're going to get paid more.
And I think they deserve that because at the end of the day, the reality is, you know, some of these great athletes, you know, whether they are mothers and they're pregnant, they're away from their family, like, you know, it was definitely sad and disappointing as an NBA player knowing that a lot of these great athletes that we have in WNBA have to play year-round just to make a great enough salary to take care of their life.
So, you know, the last thing I wanted to see was like a Candice Parker playing in the LA Sparks finals and going to Turkey to go play just to make money for her family.
So I'm glad the NBA and WNBA have made it right by paying these girls more.
And I think that's the first step.
I think once we take care of them financially, then the rest will follow.
Today there was news since we're taping, and this will air on Tuesday, just prefsang, that the Olympics were banning transgender athletes in 2028.
Do you think that's the right decision?
Banning transgender athletes, yeah.
I think for me as a father, and I think it's more so, you know, for me as a father and I have daughters and nieces, you know, I think it's a man genetic makeup is totally different.
And I understand how you identify, but me, just as a competitor, I wouldn't, it wouldn't be fair for me to go play in the WNBA.
That wouldn't be fair because these amazing young athletes have worked blood, sweat, and tears to get to where they want to get to.
And it wouldn't be fair for me to jump in their sport.
So I think, you know, obviously it's very controversial, but for me as a parent, I would love for my daughter, if she wanted to be an Olympic athlete, to compete with others that were born very similar to where she was.
But I understand both sides, but that's what I feel.
You were born in Canada, but you officially became a U.S. citizen in 2020.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
I'm sure that was a very long road.
No, it was pretty quick.
Really?
Yeah.
Is it because you're in the NBA?
I think it's just because of the pandemic, so they're just quick with it.
What are your thoughts on President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens?
I mean, you know, with President Trump, what he's doing, first of all, I love what he's done so far for our country.
I think he's helped our country a lot.
In terms of where he stands with that, I think, you know, I'm a firm believer because I have family members and I have people that are immigrants.
I think, you know, I believe, you know, for those that do their thing the right way and get the papers, I think they should be taken care of first and foremost.
I think it's the right thing, right?
I think that's the right way of going about it.
But yes, do we have some great, brilliant minds of people that are in the process of getting their papers or in the process of doing in between states?
I totally understand.
I think it should be case by case on the right people.
So I understand where he's coming from, but for me, I think it varies depending on who the person is.
A bit more nuanced for you.
When you look back at your career, what are you most proud about that people don't talk about?
Hmm.
Most proud about.
Wow.
You know what?
I always tell people when they probably think I'm like BSing.
It's like when we won the championship, the first thing I thought about was the people in Northeast Ohio.
Because ever since being drafted there in 2011, all you heard was like the 52-year drought of no championship.
You know, the Browns being there, then going to Baltimore, and then the following year winning a Super Bowl, or the Guardians that used to be called the Indians, you know, getting to the World Series and the Cavs getting close enough.
Like all I thought about was those people for 52 years, never seen a champion.
And I literally remember going to the airport and an older gentleman, probably in his late 60s, early 70s, and he looked at me and started tearing up and saying, I'm glad before I pass away, I'm able to see Cleveland be champions again.
And those are the memories that I think stick with me forever.
And especially after winning a champion, that was the first thing that came to mind.
What's the worst moment of your career?
Worst moment here?
Losing.
But there's got to be one moment that sticks out, you know, where you say, I could have done this better or that wasn't great.
And you take that and you learn from it and you do something different the next time.
Losing, I guess that's not good enough.
No.
Too ambiguous.
Okay.
All right.
Oh, Lord.
Jeez.
Toughest moment of my career, having to leave Cleveland and sign with the Boston Celtics.
Did you want to leave or no?
I did not want to leave, but Cleveland at the time wasn't at a place of being competitive and trying to win.
And they were doing, like most teams, at some point you have to hit the reset button and want to reset.
So obviously Boston paid a little bit more.
So yeah, you got to go get sometimes you got to get your coins.
Take care of your chicken, like what Marshawn Lynch says.
But that was tough for me because being drafted at the age of 19 and having to leave at 29 and having so many great memories and having my beautiful home, which I sold to Angie Berry, which I hope his family's loving because I miss that home each and every day.
That was probably the toughest moment of my career.
Are you definitely now retired from the NBA?
I wouldn't say definitely.
I say, listen, as long as the door is open, if they call, I will show up.
That's why I stay in shape, not just for, you know, playing, but I think for the mental health and just for myself, because I like to look in the mirror and, you know, if you look good, you feel good.
And if they call you, you can play good.
So then what's the daily workout routine even while you're traveling?
Definitely around getting up around six o'clock, working out, lifting.
It's definitely tougher on the road in terms of working out.
Not so much basketball on the court, but still weightlifting, conditioning, because I think as long as you keep the body pumping, I learned it from Steve Nash at an early age.
He said, as long as you're doing something every day, it's easy to turn on the engine and get it going.
So for me, it's like daily, do something, whether it's treadmill, versatimer, lifting, keep the heart pumping and you'll feel good.
When you book a hotel, do you look and make sure that they have a good, decent gym?
Decent gym and decent spa.
I think those are people.
They work hand in hand, right?
Because after you tear up the muscle, you might want to get a massage, get a facial.
You know, I like to cater myself after I beat myself hard in the gym with the weights at 6 a.m.
So for those who don't know, Hill and Valley is a big tech conference here in D.C.
That happened this week.
So are you now getting into tech and AI investing?
What particularly sparked your interest there?
Yeah.
And what are you doing?
Yeah, I mean, I think for me, you know, I think whenever guys are at this crossroad moment, we try to figure out what can we do to make an impact, right?
I think, and I give a lot of credit to guys that when they stop playing, they go right into whether it's a podcast about basketball or doing sports broadcasting, which is great, right?
Because it's a way to keep yourself still involved with the game.
The game has been so good to us.
But also for me, it was like doing something outside the box.
And I always use references like, you know, Shaq and Magic Johnson as guys that I look up to that stepped outside of just the traditional sports broadcasting podcast.
And don't get me wrong, I do the same thing.
I do NBA TV, I do SPN, all-star weekend, because I still have a love for the game.
And the game's been so good and I've had so much knowledge.
Are you going to own a bunch of franchises like Shaq does?
I mean, I would love to.
You know, listen, I love pizza and I love fried chicken.
So I love Papa John's and Big Shaq's chicken.
So I don't mind that.
But for me, it's about doing something different.
I think, you know, for Shaq, he went more so on the franchise route.
Magic went a lot, you know, VC and owning teams.
And obviously started with the Starbucks and the Magic Johnson theaters, which was great.
But for me, it was like, what is the world looking like moving forward?
And definitely, if you look at now, whether you see it on your social media, whether you turn on the television, it's about technology, robotics, AI, and that's where our world is going.
And I want to be part of that.
Almost look at it like the early dot-com era, right?
When people went from getting information on the newspaper to on the internet.
And it's like, how can I be part of this journey in American history?
How do you see AI impacting sports, specifically when it comes to training, recovery, analytics?
Man, I think AI is the next step for sports.
I think, you know, Adam Silver and NBA have done a great job in terms of modernizing the game, making the game more social media friendly, whether it's, you know, allowing influencers and social media people to be a part of the festivities, whether it's All-Star Weekend, whether it's the NBA Finals.
But I think the next step now, especially if you look at last year's NBA playoffs, a lot of guys, three players that were very marquee players had Achilles tears in the playoffs, which is bad for basketball, right?
I think it's tough seeing some of your top players go down.
But I think now that's the next step of how we can use AI technology, merge it with sports science to give us the best opportunity to have our best players play on the court and the most important time of the year, which is the playoffs.
So for example, March Madness, who do you think is going to win?
We'll start there.
Well, I mean, I'm a Texas longhorn to death, right?
So I'm going to always go to UT.
We're technically the Cinderella story, 11th seed, first four in.
We beat some good teams, beat Gonzaga last Saturday, have Purdue coming up in San Jose.
So I got to pick my longhorns.
One of the legacy news publications had a bunch of different AIs pick brackets.
And they had said in the early days they weren't doing well.
And now the AI brackets are performing as some of their best.
Do you think AI will disrupt sports betting and I would say disturb what is just the fun of picking who your favorite team is going to be?
I think with AI, I think people needed to understand why it's got better over years, right?
I think you got to look at AI as like the brain, right?
It's the more information it has, the more data it has, the smarter it gets, right?
It's almost like having a child, right?
When you first have your child, they teach them how to walk, how to talk.
You can't just put them in the kitchen and say, here, make me scramble eggs.
You got to teach someone, right?
And that's how AI agents are.
And I think people are fearful of AI.
Like, oh, it's going to take over our job.
No, it's like, no, no.
Learn how to use AI to help maximize your potential in your job and your workforce.
So I say, that's why I preach to people more times in office.
Like, no, learn how to make it become a buddy and a pal of yours to make you the best version of yourself.
But to be fair, many different AI leaders are saying, and many different financial sector leaders are saying that AI is going to come for a lot of jobs.
And it will fundamentally reshape our economy and how students graduate from college.
As someone who is only 35 years old, what do you say to future students, your own children, about what you would have them invest their time in in order to be prepared for the next phase of what our global economy is going to look like?
Yeah, I mean, definitely our global economy is going to change.
But as a parent, what I always teach my kids is understand where things are going and how can you help implement yourself and be an asset to that, right?
And I think, yes, things are going to become easier for labor and everyday folks, but I think there's still a room and opportunity where there's certain things that we as humans are going to be always going to be in control of, right?
And listen, as a parent, we're both parents.
The last thing we're going to have is probably not right now as having robots be our nannies and do that, right?
We're still going to want humans to be the caregiver, right?
Because that's the part that as of right now, the technology is not there yet where it has the empathy, has the love, has the care that we still want.
But as a parent, I mean, you know, my kids, they know how to use technology better than me now.
They know how to do filters and know how to do the emojis.
And I'm like, I'm asking eight-year-olds how to do this, right?
I'm like, old man Jenkins.
One of the companies that you've invested in and joined was inspired by your brother's Amari's journey and medical experience.
What specifically does this technology do to help people like Amari and what are you most excited about the future looking like?
Yeah, for my brother, Amari, having epilepsy, just to give stats, you know, one out of 100 children have epilepsy, but the type LGS is basically one out of 50,000 children have it.
So it's one of the more rare forms of epilepsy.
For Amari, he doesn't speak or walk.
So I have 24-hour caregivers taking care of him.
They've been guardian angels for my family since my mom's passed away, Noel Alba.
You know, without them, I don't know where I'd be because they've made my life so much easier where I can, you know, not only just be a father and be a big brother, but also take care of, you know, the daily life, which is being an athlete and being able to come to DC and be part of great moments like this.
But for me, it's a decentralized tech where we put your health data on chain, which it takes it back to when we first noticed Amari having seizures when he was six months old.
You know, we didn't have no one to go to.
We didn't have no one to lean on.
And being Canadian, we have universal health care, but doesn't mean it's the greatest, right?
And like anything in life, there could be improvements, could be better.
But with this technology that they built being on chain, you allow physicians all around the world to be able to look at your health charts, look at your data.
And I think, you know, anyone that knows, if I am in vacation, right, and I'm in Greece and something bad happens to me, and I need to pull up my health chart there.
It's the most difficult thing ever, right?
You got to call the hospital.
You got to hope the doctor's not on vacation because for some reason, every time when I call the hospital, my doctors are on vacation.
But I love you guys.
I appreciate it.
I'm glad that happens to you too.
Yeah, it happens to all of us.
And it's the most frustrating thing.
So imagine now having like your health data on chain and the palm of your hands where wherever you are, you can pull up your records and information.
And, you know, that's something for me where it meant a lot because I know a lot of people are going through that.
But also the part that's interesting is that you could find new medicine, new cure, right?
Because it wasn't until I had the means and being MBA, being able to go to Cleveland Clinic or go to UCLA and meet these doctors and get treatments where I could help give Amari a better life.
And the most part that was the most difficult for me to accept was that Dr. Hussein at UCLA said, Tricia, I wish we met each other seven years earlier because I feel like there's things we could do for Amari to give himself a better life that he has now.
But I take that where I want to get that message out to other families and know that you're not alone and it's okay to go explore and try to give your family members the best life possible.
Fame, Fatherhood, and Family Memories00:10:40
So for other people out there who go through what I want to say is tumultuous parts of their life experience, not near on the scale of what you do, given that you have so many cameras and people want to report on every different facet of your life.
You've had to issue public apologies, fight libel suits, watch your personal life become reality TV fodder.
What was the lowest moment for you personally and what helped you rebuild trust with the people who mattered most?
Honestly, you know, I've never had a low moment in my life, to be honest.
The way I was brought up and the things that I've seen in my life growing up as a kid, nothing in my adult life could compare to what I've seen growing up as a kid.
Like I've been through real life crazy stuff where anything that's happened in my adult life is like peanuts.
Peanuts are what I've seen as well.
I'm so envious of men who can compartmentalize.
I mean, listen, a lot of my teams are like, how do you show up to work and be able to do this?
And I'm like, because I've been through some real life.
This is a podcast.
Like I said, I'm moving through real life shit, right?
So like, yes, mistakes have happened.
Yes, you don't like, no one likes, you know, being perceived in negative aspect, but for me, it's like, it's just learning lessons.
So do you not read any of the legacy media?
No.
And how do you work that out with the person on the other side?
Because presumably someone else is reading it.
Presumably someone else is upside.
So how do you go about making it right?
I think the best way to make it right is having a conversation, having a face-to-face, looking someone in the eye, and we leave it all on the table.
I think that's something that we lack right now as people.
We love to avoid having those tough conversations.
And for me, I invite it because I think that's how it's the quickest way to find a resolution, develop trust and respect.
I think respect's number one thing, right?
What I always tell people is that you don't have to like me.
You don't have to agree with what I agree with, but I rather respect more than anything else.
And I'll actually learn that watching The Godfather.
That's actually one of my favorite movies of all time.
But I think that the meanings behind that movie series, it's a lot of meanings that I think could help us as people in society.
What do you do to stay locked in mentally when things get noisy?
I think I just dive more into my family, my kids.
You know, when my mom passed away, that was probably one of the toughest moments of my life.
But for me, my kids and my niece and my nephews were basically, you know, my everything.
Dive more into that, be more involved, do more activities just to get your mind off whatever the outside noises.
If the 2016 Tristan could sit down with 2026 Tristan, what would you tell your younger self about fame, relationships, fatherhood, and money?
Fame, relationship, father, and money.
So money, buy Bitcoin.
Isn't Bitcoin on a downturn now?
No, listen.
I look at it as a 401k.
It's doing way better numbers than your traditional Voya 401k.
Shout out Voya because I have money in there as well.
But okay, so money would be by Bitcoin.
Fame, I think dive into it.
I think at the end of the day, you have a platform and a voice in the ear of people where you should use it for good.
And whatever your beliefs are, dive into that.
As fatherhood, I think it's what I'm doing is just keep diving into your kids.
Be there for them because every little thing matters.
Even like for me as a dad, you know, I always tell my kids, if I'm leaving out of town, when I'm coming back, because I think kids remember that.
You know, the one thing I don't like is when parents say, you know, I'll be right back.
No, I like to let my kids know because they're smart.
They understand days.
They know when a certain amount of days pass.
So I would say that for fatherhood is always be honest with your kids.
So money, fatherhood, fame.
What was the other one?
Yeah, fame, relationships, fatherhood, and money.
Relationship, I think, is always treat people with respect.
That's it.
Do you think you've done that consistently?
Yes.
I think when you're honest and transparent with somebody, they might have agreed, but respect's number one.
So in every episode, we play a game of would you rather?
Okay.
So let's go.
Do you play this game as well?
No.
It's only one-sided?
Yes.
Wow.
I asked questions here.
Wow.
Would you rather play in the NBA finals wearing only one shoe or in a uniform that's three sizes too small?
Oh, uniforms three sizes too small.
Would you rather your entire Snapchat history get leaked, messages and all, or have AI post all your private thoughts on social media?
Ooh, that's a good one.
To be honest, I don't do nothing on Snap.
Back when Snap was a thing, I'm going to press myself.
Okay, okay, okay.
I'd rather the Snapchat.
Would you rather coach a kid's basketball team with overbearing parents constantly yelling at you or with your kids who absolutely do not listen?
I'd rather overbear parents because I actually like the banter.
I like going back and forth.
I'm the dad at the AU games that will argue with the other parents.
Would you rather have ketchup for toothpaste or mustard for shampoo?
I despise ketchup, so I would do mustard for shampoo.
Are you really?
So where are you on mayo?
I only do ketchup if there's mustard or mayo mixed in with it.
Okay.
Would you rather narrate an audiobook about your personal scandals or have Netflix cast a white guy to play you in a movie about the Cavs 2016 run?
I would rather have a white guy play me with a Netflix run thank you.
Kick him aloof.
He can play me.
Do you think Netflix has gone too woke?
Do you let your kids watch Netflix?
My kids don't care for Netflix.
My kids like YouTube kids.
My kids don't care for Netflix.
I don't even think they know what Netflix is.
What's something you're randomly good at that has nothing to do with basketball or business?
Hmm.
What I'm randomly good at.
What am I randomly good at?
No one knows.
Intelligent memory.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So I have a memory as an elephant.
I don't forget anything.
Like, I remember everything.
I like, first time I meet somebody, I remember what they had on.
That's how, like, especially if it's like a conversation worth being had or someone that was like ended up becoming a friend or part of my life, I'll remember like the first outfit.
So what's your favorite memory?
Ooh, my favorite memory would be, remember my blind day with Chloe.
I met her.
You know, Bell Air Hotel Blind Day.
I remember exactly what she had on.
She had a leave-in conditioner in her hair.
She had one of them like those hats that we used to wear, like the Smokey the Bear hats.
Yep.
Bodysuit, good American jeans on.
I remember exactly the one that was there.
How do you know what she was wearing?
I paid attention.
She stood up.
Like even the tags, like that's, that's pretty impressive.
I was on it.
Okay.
Yeah.
What's your favorite memory with each of your kids?
Favorite memory from each of my kids.
Day they were born.
Like what do we got?
I think David Born is like very like cliche.
It's cliche.
It is.
I think for my son, Prince, you know, he is so intelligent in terms of like building.
Like he has, of course, I would love for him to play sports, but he's like an engineer.
He loves to build stuff.
He likes to do a 3D printer.
Like he's so, like, he makes like these fidgies that I love playing with.
And I was like, can you make me one, please?
Like, dad, of course, I'll make one for you.
So him, just his creativity is off the chain.
My favorite memory of my daughter was her pre-K recital singing that brought tears to my eyes because when I look at her, I always see my mom because they resemble each other very much alike.
Like if you look at me, True, and my mom, we all look alike.
I'm just like the male version of how they look.
So that brought tears to my eyes.
That was one of my greatest memories.
Tatum, seeing him in jiu-jitsu and just like wrestling kids.
Like it's just like, it's just a dad.
You just love it.
Like your son just like, he's like using his powers, but he knows that he's like catering.
Like he'll take a kid down, then he'll give him a hug after.
It's like, guys, boy, like that made me proud.
And then my youngest, riding a bike.
See how riding a bike.
Is there any sport that you won't let your kids play?
I don't think I'll let my kids play football.
American football.
I think it's just very dangerous.
And I love the NFL.
I love what they're about.
I love everything.
But I think just for my household, probably not football.
What's the bedtime routine for your children?
Ooh, bedtime routine is fun.
Okay, what do we got?
So we do, okay, so we'll do a dance party.
Do a dance party after dinner.
Okay.
But you have to eat enough of your dinner to get the dance party.
Do you say one more bite?
Do you offer them other food?
No, no, I always do the one more bite.
And I say the big bite.
Let them look, because you know, sometimes, you know, kids are like, fully go like, no, no, no, big bite.
But that's controversial, though, now, to like encourage your kids to eat another bite of food.
Oh, listen.
There's a hot take on this that says, yes.
That says, which is what we do in my house.
We say you get what you get on your plate.
And if you go to bed hungry, go to bed hungry.
That's what you're doing.
See you at breakfast.
I actually like that.
And we don't do like snacks later in the night.
It's like, sorry, you didn't eat.
Do you do fruits after dinner?
We do their dinner plate and then they get served a side bowl of like fruits with nuts.
So if they choose to not like what's been cooked for them, they have like a safe option.
I don't think that fills them up necessarily, but it's something.
You do the nuts for the protein.
Just because you don't eat enough on the plate.
Correct.
I like that.
Correct.
Smart.
But like, we do not do the one more bite in my household because then I think you're, I don't know, in my household growing up, I don't know how it was in yours, but we did like clean plate.
Like my mom gave us one meal and that was it.
Yeah.
Now for me, I mean, for us, it works.
The kids love it.
And, you know, do a dance party.
Then you got to brush your teeth.
We have the timer.
First of all, my kids love the Phillips when we're at the timer because they want to see the stars.
They want to see the stars because then they feel they're a star.
So they'll brush their teeth.
And then after my kids love reading books before bed.
My son, we tell him one or two books.
He wants to read more books, which I actually love.
What's the books we're reading right now?
Right now, he's like a good, it's like Goodnight Tiger.
Another one's like Elephant Over the Moon.
Like he just, he has like literally a stack of books.
And I love it because for me, you know, reading was difficult for me growing up.
So I love the fact that my son loves to read and loves like to be in the books, which is great.
I was more the kid that would stay outside till the streetlights came on, came home and get ready for bed.
So it's amazing.
My daughter's the same way.
So that's beautiful.
I'm like, you've definitely got the full-time.
Do you credit their mom for it?
Oh, for sure.
Give her the credit.
I'm like, I'm like, they got it from you, Chloe.
So, which is great.
So we'll read books before bed.
And then by eight o'clock, my kids, we sleep train them super early.
So they're already tired by the time it's eight o'clock.
And we're up at seven, back at it.
Do they crawl into bed at night or do they stay in their rooms?
Oh, my kids love to stay.
My kids like to be in the room because it's, you know, they talk to their friends, you know, pretend friends and have their conversations.
So we see them on the monitor to make sure everything's okay.
Truth for Young People Today00:02:39
What's a conspiracy theory that you believe in?
Ooh.
We had a couple earlier today.
That's confusing.
No, did we go to the moon?
Kim says she does not believe we went to the moon.
Did we go to the moon?
I don't think we went to the moon.
I think that might have been like some Photoshop.
Neil Armstrong, like shout out him and his family, but I don't think he went to the moon.
I think that might have been like.
Are UFOs real?
UFOs are definitely real.
I definitely believe in UFOs because I remember with the Cavs preseason, we went to a Navy base or an Army base in Dayton, Ohio.
And there was a place that was sectioned off that said like in construction.
And I remember I asked a gentleman there.
I said, how long has it been in construction for?
He said, it's been there since I've been working.
I said, how long have you been working there?
He said, 20 years.
I said, oh, no, no, no, no.
There's something there.
So I definitely believe in UFOs.
I definitely believe in aliens.
Did Jeffrey Epstein commit suicide?
Like, I can go deep on conspiracy theories.
Oh, old Jeffrey, huh?
Did he commit suicide?
Yeah.
No, he didn't commit suicide.
You think it's still an unsolved murder?
Yeah.
Is he the one in the body bag that's eventually buried?
I don't think he's alive.
Okay.
I think he was murdered.
Okay.
Fair.
What do you think?
This is a very controversial take from me.
I don't believe he committed suicide.
Okay.
I believe he's dead.
He's definitely dead, but he was murdered.
I believe he was murdered.
Yeah.
I believe the autopsy does not match.
Yes.
Yeah.
I believe a lot of government documents were shredded.
Of course.
So I think we'll never know the truth.
Very sad.
But I think someone knows the truth.
Some people out there, I think there's some FBI agents somewhere who know the truth and those who committed the crimes know the truth.
Yeah.
Sometimes when someone loves themself too much, they won't kill themselves.
Where do you get your news?
Ooh, where did I get my news?
You know what?
Scrolling on Twitter, I get a lot of my news right now.
I think the kids call it X these days.
Old man Jenkins, I told you guys.
But see, I'm a type of person.
Once I get like hip to a certain name, I don't like changing it.
So I guess, yeah, you guys call it, I still call it Twitter.
Because you know what?
That's where it first started for me.
And I like it.
The X is just like, it's just too like too YN for me.
Do you know what YN is?
No.
That's what they call the young people right now.
YNs.
The young people?
Yeah.
Young people come to have YNs.
Okay.
So like if you have like little cousins or niece and nephews that are like in their teens.
I'm not hip enough for this then.
Yeah.
No, I'm putting you on.
I'm putting you on game right now.
Okay.
The YNs.
They call, yeah, so they'll call it X.
Staying Hip with YN Culture00:02:41
Yeah.
What's the first app you open in the morning?
Ooh.
Does text messages count?
Yeah.
Okay, probably my text messages.
Signal, text, what are we doing?
X chat?
Like what do we got?
No, we'll do iMessage, but you know, signal is definitely a good, a good application as well.
WhatsApp, Discord.
WhatsApp is good.
No, Discord.
I like WhatsApp.
WhatsApp is more international because when I'm talking to my partners and people I work with internationally, they use WhatsApp a lot.
Signal is for my suit and Thai friends.
And then regular iMessage is just for, you know, my everyday tribe.
When's the last time you've been to a grocery store?
Ooh.
A grocery store.
Probably during COVID because I wanted to grab a bottle of Whispering Angel because we were running low on.
I get Whispering Angel.
It was nice.
It was a Saturday.
We were running.
No, I opened up the wine cellar and I said, oh, geez, this is going to be an issue.
So, yeah.
So what do you eat in a typical day?
My typical day?
What do you eat?
What do I eat?
I'm a very creature of, I'm a creature of habit.
So chicken, rice, and veggie is what I eat.
If you ask my chef, it's like, what the church like, he'll say exactly.
But we just like to dress it up different, whether we do it Indian, we do it Jamaican, we do it Italian.
As long as it's chicken, rice, and veggie with my Jamaican hot sauce, I'm happy.
What do you eat for breakfast?
I only have breakfast if I only have breakfast on the weekends because on the weekdays I cannot have breakfast because breakfast is too comforting for me.
If I have breakfast, I don't want to do anything.
I want to lay on my couch.
I want to watch sports.
I want to watch binge watch something.
So do you have coffee then?
Yes.
Okay.
Okay, vanilla latte, extra vanilla, and it has to have extra vanilla.
I'm newly transitioning from hot chocolate as a kid.
I used to drink hot chocolate with a straw to college chai tea latte.
And now I'm doing vanilla lattes.
So I'm like, I'm transitioning to like the coffee world, but it's like it's basically.
You went from sugar to less sugar to more sugar.
Yeah, but there's like coffee in it.
So I just, I don't know what a sugar is very good to coffee.
I'll work out the sugar.
Okay.
Perfect.
What's your go-to comfort food?
Oh, Jamaican food.
Curry, chicken, rice, and peas, macaroni salad, which I make a bomb plate of that.
What's something you refuse to eat?
Oh, I refuse to eat.
Oh, oysters, clam.
Seafood that's not from Nobu.
You don't like Nobu?
No, only Nobu.
Oh, you only like Nobu.
Only eat seafood from Nobu.
Sugar Transitions and Superpowers00:02:35
Okay.
You have incredibly white teeth.
I'm just going to say this.
Thank you.
What is the best, I would say, health or wellness thing you've done for yourself that you want to share with other people that they should also do?
Health and wellness.
I don't want to say plastic surgery because that's like too broad and too, and too critical because that's not what I mean.
It's like there are so many different things you can do to improve your body.
What would that thing be that you've tried?
I mean, I guess right now everyone's talking about these peptides, right?
I think that's...
Well, you do peptides too?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What are you doing?
I mean, oh, GHK.
Listen, one thing about me, and then they're going to tell you, for some reason, us professional athletes, our biggest stick is like keeping our hair growing for as much as possible.
So I do whatever I can to keep this hair growing and keeping it good.
Really?
You don't want to go bald?
No, because the reality is, I'll tell you this.
I'm 99th percentile in height.
Okay.
90% in wingspan.
Okay.
But the size of my head, I think it's like 75%.
So I have a peanut head and people don't notice it until I say it.
If I had a regular 610 head shape, I would probably be seven foot.
But my head size is probably a guy that's like 6'465.
So I want to keep hair on my head for as long as possible.
So because of me bald at this height with a small head is not going to look great.
It's going to be very, I'm going to have to start wearing like the neo hats and it's just going to get a little rough.
If you could have any superpower, what would it be?
Ooh, superpower, be able to like teleport because I would love to like just bring all my friends, just everyone hold my arms, and let's just go on vacation wherever we want to go.
Okay.
What's the best place to go on vacation?
Ooh, depends on what time of the year.
Go each season.
We'll go summer first.
Summer first.
I love Mikonos.
Okay.
Fall.
Fall.
Fall, I would say New York because it's, you know, the weather's changing, the leaves, and my kids love Central Park.
Winter.
Winter, Course Val.
Spring.
Spring.
I've never been, but I would love to go to like Montana and like that area for the spring.
It's very cosmopolitan answers of you.
Really?
Yeah.
Is your phone in light or dark mode?
What does the dark mode look like?
Oh, I'm in light mode.
Okay.
I'll show you dark mode after.
I'm such a.
You're going to change your phone to dark mode.
Yes.
Once you go to dark mode, you never go back.
Really?
Yes.
Is it hard in the eyes though?
No, it's better on the eyes.
Really?
Much better.
Okay.
Especially for when you're like laying in bed reading.
So much better.
Okay.
Okay.
Election Fears and Starstruck Moments00:03:07
What's your biggest fear?
Ooh.
Biggest fear is waking up with a flamingo beside me.
What?
That's never going to happen, though.
It's actually a fear.
I actually hate big birds with big beats.
Okay, but another fear of mine.
That's actually a real fear.
It's just never going to happen, though, so it can't be real.
You just never know.
Someone's going to play a game with me.
And guys, don't even try this at home.
Don't even know what he tries to do.
I feel like the next thing you know, Chloe's going to bring a flamingo and put it on your back.
I swear to you, I will scream and I'll like, I would have like, I'll never sleep for like a year straight.
I'm telling you guys right now, don't bring no bird around me.
Like, I swear to you guys, please.
For my own sanity, I already struggled sleeping already.
My biggest fear would be, damn, that's a good one.
My biggest fear is probably for my kids, not like having them, like I would love for my kids always to see like my whole journey.
Like I want like when they're old enough to really understand, like have this conversation of like life in general.
Like have the sit down of like, this is how it started instead of like where your dad's at least.
Do you regret having anything on film in that case?
No, because I think the beauty is what I always say to people is that whether it's good, bad, negative, I think the beauty of anything and I think the thing that people respect, I think that's why I've gained a lot of respect from other people is that, you know, we've all go through life and we've all made mistakes, but it's more like how you've grown from it.
And I think when people sit down and talk to me in the conversation, they're like, man, like, like, you're so like, you're not what I expect.
And I actually like that, that form of compliment, because it's just like, we all go through life shit.
And I think that's what makes us, it makes us better.
And to be honest, America loves a great comeback story.
What celebrity were you starstruck to have met?
Starstruck to have met.
Given that you've met a lot of people who have met.
I would say maybe not starstruck, but like very excited to meet would be President Obama and First Lady Michelle.
Because I think my mom was there with me is when we won the championship.
Funny enough, the same day we went to the White House visit was the same day President Trump actually flew to the White House for the first time.
So I remember when President Obama was coming to speak to us, I saw President Trump and his team like walking like in the back halls to go like wherever they're going to have a meeting.
So probably.
So is this after the election?
Yes, after the election.
So this was like late November, early December time?
2016.
Yeah, 2016.
Yeah.
Who's a celebrity that you're close with that someone wouldn't expect?
Hmm.
I'm going to say probably Eric Trump.
Yeah, I'm very close with Eric.
He's been actually great for me.
He's actually been like a very like big brother, mentor, been very welcoming.
So that's just someone I would say, especially from, you know, the political government world that's really put his arm around me.
Maybe, you know, it's kind of helped motivate me to like want to dive into this realm a little bit more.
The Trump family has always been very gracious.
Yeah.
Very open, more than you think they would be.
Yeah.
And then so I'm, you know, I love him for that.
What celebrity has most surprised you when you met them if they were the person you thought they were?
Favorite Restaurants and Celebrity Friends00:04:53
Oh, it's a good one.
And it's actually like one of my like good friends now.
I would say Mel B Scary Spice.
Just because, you know, me growing the kid, you know, I'm not going to lie.
I bought the Spice Girl VHS.
Of course, we know the song.
So meeting her a few months back on Squid Games, because she's one of the VIPs like myself, I didn't know what to expect, but looking at her as like a legend and like we connected so good.
And I think it was just like, it almost felt like I've known her from a past life.
Like we connected right away.
I remember like during our breaks, we'd be sitting outside.
I'm in dress pants like this, sitting outside, and we're just chatting about like life and people and spiritual stuff.
So I would say Mel B.
And that's my good friend.
And love you, Mel.
What's your ultimate hype song?
Ultimate hype song.
Ooh, Future March Madness.
Okay.
We asked this at every single close.
So congratulations we went to the end.
How come you didn't ask me about like, do I like cheeseburgers and stuff?
Okay.
I think we went through your favorite food.
You said it was Jamaican food.
Yeah, I did.
I did.
I gave you the option.
You did not say if you like cheeseburgers.
So we all been thinking about cheeseburgers since coming in here to do the podcast.
I've been thinking about cheeseburgers.
So how much do you like a cheeseburger?
You know, I really like a cheeseburger because I went to this one restaurant last night, Le Diplomante.
Le Diplomat.
It's like one of the famous DC places that everybody goes to.
Yeah, and they have the burger that resembles another burger spot in Paris that looks very similar because it's like a French cuisine restaurant.
It is.
It's a French restaurant.
Their onion soup is very good.
They do a very good bread.
I really like their French fries.
They do a really good omelet.
I've clearly eaten there a lot.
Yeah, I love the, I had the onion soup, which was amazing.
It's very good.
Onion soup is my favorite food.
It is?
Yes.
Yeah.
It was my first time ever having it.
Really?
Yeah.
I ordered on every single menu.
I can tell you which one has a shitty one and which one has a good one.
But see, that's the problem right there because I don't want to go to a restaurant and it's not, it doesn't taste like how it just tastes last night.
No, there's some that do not have good onion soups.
See, I can't tell you.
Actually accurate.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Bourbon steak also in DC, except for four seasons.
They have a great onion soup.
So we stayed all the time with the NBA when we were in NBA.
Yeah, they always played there.
So they have the best three fries platter.
Yes.
Yeah.
Michael Mayo's restaurant.
Very good.
Oh, really?
Okay, yeah.
It's really good.
Their sauces are very good.
Okay, so then what do you like on a cheeseburger?
We'll keep going deep on cheeseburgers for a few minutes.
Cheese.
Okay.
Jalapenos.
What kind of cheese?
American.
Okay.
Jalapeno.
Hot sauce.
Lettuce tomatoes.
Where's your current favorite cheeseburger from?
The stand out there in Calabasas.
They have a really good one.
People visit California, they love NNL.
It's okay.
Yeah.
But it's not my favorite.
Yeah.
What's your favorite restaurant in California?
Favorite restaurant?
Nobu Malibu.
I think it's because Nobu, but also it's about the water.
But not all Nobus are equally as good.
That's why I said Nobu Malibu specific.
Where's your favorite restaurant in the continental United States?
Carbone, New York.
It's pretty good.
Yeah.
Will you ever buy a house again in Ohio?
Definitely.
I love Ohio.
I love Ohio.
Beautiful.
I mean, won a championship there.
That's a part of my DNA.
Where are you predominantly living these days?
I balance.
I mean, I travel a lot, but majority of my time is in LA.
Do you think it's hard to fly from LA to other places just because it's so far in the time change?
No, not at all.
I mean, even coming here was a four-hour flight.
It's very easy.
It was rough.
I just did it.
Really?
It was harder?
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, like, you're pregnant and you don't need to be going through all that.
It was rough.
For me, you know, just 250 of all this, just get on the plane.
So if you could host a dinner party, three people that are alive, who's at the table and what are you eating?
So definitely my mom.
Mommy would be there.
I'll have my mom there.
I would have three outside of me.
So it's a table of four.
Yeah.
Right?
Okay.
So my mom, I would have Princess Diana, because I think my mom would want that.
Okay.
So then now the next person would be for me.
Who would I want?
Hmm.
Maybe.
Because all the people that are alive, I could probably have dinner with.
So it's going to be someone that I can't have dinner with.
So they probably have passed away.
Maybe I'm okay.
What are you eating?
Remember Jamaican food.
So everyone's got to figure it out.
Surprise.
Yeah.
You're going to have jerk chicken there, curry chicken, white rice, rice and peas, hot sauce, macaroni salad.
Yeah.
Thank you for doing this.
Of course, Katie.
Thank you for having me.
Thanks for joining this episode of the Katie Miller Podcast.
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