Katie Miller Podcast - Episode 11 - Jennifer Stallone | The Katie Miller Podcast
Aired: 2025-10-21
Duration: 47:03


=== Balancing Family and Fame (14:59) ===

[00:00:00]  I think a lot of women, especially in our town of Hollywood, they spent too much time thinking what you have and with this other person and competing.
[00:00:08]  So they spent too much time focusing on their faces and their hair and getting it blown out and their clothes had to be perfect.
[00:00:15]  And when a kid feels that the parents aren't there and they're not participating in their lives, they feel abandoned.
[00:00:21]  What kids need the most is their parents to be present in their lives.
[00:00:25]  That is the number one thing.
[00:00:26]  You can hire a ton of nannies or you can throw them in preschool when they're two years old.
[00:00:31]  But the reality is they don't need all of your time, but they need quality time with you.
[00:00:36]  And if you want your kids to behave well, then you should act well too.
[00:00:40]  You and Cy have had one of the longest marriages, I think, of many Hollywood couples.
[00:00:45]  Yes.
[00:00:46]  My marriage has lasted the test of time because I'm incredibly patient and I'm incredibly forgiving.
[00:00:53]  What would he say on the flip side of that?
[00:00:55]  He said, she's right.
[00:00:56]  That's why it works.
[00:01:07]  Hi, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of the Katie Miller podcast.
[00:01:12]  Just as a reminder, we are moving to Tuesdays at 6 p.m. Eastern, everywhere you get your podcast.
[00:01:17]  This week, I'm in sunny Palm Beach, joined by Jennifer Salung.
[00:01:22]  Hi.
[00:01:23]  Would you mind giving the viewers a quick 30 seconds on who you are and a bit about your family?
[00:01:30]  Okay, well, I'm a mom.
[00:01:32]  I'm a wife.
[00:01:33]  I'm a sister.
[00:01:34]  I'm a daughter.
[00:01:35]  I ran a big skincare company for the last 30 years, very successful.
[00:01:40]  It was on HSN, Home Shopping Network, for 25 years.
[00:01:43]  With over a billion dollars in sales, right?
[00:01:45]  Yeah, over a billion dollars in sales.
[00:01:47]  And I did home shopping for 25 years.
[00:01:50]  It is, now I'm kind of taking a break from that.
[00:01:53]  And I'm working with my husband, Sly, on his TV show.
[00:01:57]  So I'm a co-producer.
[00:01:59]  That's really exciting.
[00:02:00]  Thank you.
[00:02:01]  So we're here in Palm Beach, but you raised your children in Los Angeles.
[00:02:05]  Why did you choose to move to Palm Beach?
[00:02:08]  A lot of reasons.
[00:02:10]  First of all, I wanted a change.
[00:02:13]  And my kids were all almost graduated high school.
[00:02:16]  Two were already in college or finishing college.
[00:02:19]  And the last one, because it was COVID, she was online.
[00:02:23]  So we could actually go anywhere.
[00:02:25]  And Sly went to college in Florida.
[00:02:27]  Our first daughter, Sophia, was actually born in Miami.
[00:02:31]  And our second, our last daughter, Scarlett, our youngest, she applied to University of Miami and got in.
[00:02:38]  So I felt like everything was pulling us to the East Coast.
[00:02:43]  And I really wanted a change from LA.
[00:02:46]  I was kind of getting, I don't know, I like change.
[00:02:49]  And I felt when I came down here, I fell in love with it.
[00:02:54]  I fell in love with the air, the humidity, the water, and especially the people.
[00:02:59]  I really, really met some great people down here.
[00:03:02]  People would say the best part of California is their weather, but you would take it for the humidity of Florida.
[00:03:06]  I would.
[00:03:06]  I would.
[00:03:07]  Actually, as I get older, and I'm in my 50s, I love the humidity.
[00:03:10]  It's great for the hair.
[00:03:11]  It's great for my skin.
[00:03:12]  I'm not dried out anymore.
[00:03:15]  So raising three kids in LA, you see a lot of stories on the internet about other celebrities who have raised their kids who have turned out much differently than your three daughters who I think are incredibly graceful, successful, accomplished, and are on the path to success if not there already.
[00:03:31]  Yes.
[00:03:32]  They have a very successful podcast.
[00:03:33]  Oh, thank you.
[00:03:34]  They have a successful podcast and each of them are doing really well.
[00:03:38]  Our youngest is writing and acting, Scarlett.
[00:03:41]  And the middle one does a little everything.
[00:03:44]  She's into podcasting.
[00:03:45]  She's written two horror scripts.
[00:03:47]  They're going to be made into future films.
[00:03:51]  And she does a little acting as well.
[00:03:52]  And then my oldest has a podcast.
[00:03:54]  She has her own book club.
[00:03:56]  She's an avid reader.
[00:03:57]  She's already sold a couple book ideas, created it into screenplays, and now she sold those to Amazon, so they'll be into doing series.
[00:04:08]  So she's got many, she's got a lot of things on the deck right now, and they're all really good people.
[00:04:15]  Why do you think, I'll go back and say, how did you do that?
[00:04:20]  Because I think as a mom of young children, I'm always nervous about how do I raise children who share my values and how do I make sure they're successful, especially when you see other celebrity parents in LA raise children who are not that.
[00:04:34]  I did everything the opposite.
[00:04:36]  Honestly, I looked at, because my husband Sly is a little older, a lot older, I was surrounded by a lot of our friends were older and they had older children and I watched how what they did right and I watched what they did wrong.
[00:04:51]  And not that they did it wrong.
[00:04:53]  I just thought I would do it differently when I had my own children and I saw the problems they were having and I was wondering where those problems were stemming.
[00:05:02]  And for me, what kids need the most is their parents to be present in their lives.
[00:05:09]  That is the number one thing.
[00:05:11]  You can hire a ton of nannies or you can throw them in preschool when they're two years old.
[00:05:16]  But the reality is they don't need all of your time, but they need quality time with you.
[00:05:21]  And if you want your kids to behave well, then you should act well too.
[00:05:26]  Like you can't be screaming and yelling and then tell your child to stop screaming.
[00:05:30]  It's like those are the things that are, they're just small changes, like things I did right with the girls.
[00:05:35]  I think most of me, I was very lucky.
[00:05:37]  I didn't have to work full time.
[00:05:39]  I was able to pick my kids up from school most of the time, drop them off.
[00:05:43]  I was a room mom for them.
[00:05:44]  So I was really present in their lives.
[00:05:47]  But yet you still built a business that sold over a billion dollars in sales.
[00:05:50]  You founded that company before your children were born.
[00:05:53]  Yes.
[00:05:53]  And then how did you manage that while your kids were growing up and with your husband's successful career?
[00:06:00]  I look back on it now and I really don't know how I did it.
[00:06:02]  I didn't have a lot of free time.
[00:06:05]  So I didn't have a lot of friends.
[00:06:06]  I didn't go out a lot.
[00:06:07]  I didn't throw a lot of big parties.
[00:06:09]  I really focused on my business, which was already established because I wasn't married yet and I didn't have children yet.
[00:06:17]  And I also surrounded by, I surrounded myself by really smart people that I knew I couldn't do this and this and this and this.
[00:06:25]  And so I put together a team that could.
[00:06:28]  And I know what I could do.
[00:06:30]  I know my own ability.
[00:06:31]  I'm never going to be the smartest person in the room, but I knew if I hired the smartest accountant, the smartest business manager, the smartest secretary, then together we will have a successful company.
[00:06:45]  And I work really, really hard.
[00:06:48]  I don't, I mean, I'll put in 15, 17 hour days sometimes.
[00:06:53]  And it's about working hard, balancing.
[00:06:57]  And I was able to have a job where, yes, sometimes I had, every five weeks I had to leave town for four days or five days.
[00:07:05]  But when I came back, I was 100% present in my family's life.
[00:07:08]  And then I made sure that I brought these children into the world.
[00:07:14]  I have to be there for them.
[00:07:16]  I have to make sure that I'm present in their life.
[00:07:20]  And then, of course, Sly came along for the ride.
[00:07:23]  And sometimes, you know, he had to film for two or three months out of the country.
[00:07:27]  Would you guys ever go with him when he would film, or would you always stay based in LA?
[00:07:32]  I would go occasionally.
[00:07:33]  If it was during the summer, we would go for a month or a couple weeks, wherever it was.
[00:07:37]  Sometimes it was Thailand, sometimes it was all over the place.
[00:07:41]  Sometimes I would go and then sometimes I realized the kids have to have their routine too.
[00:07:46]  I can't just let them grow up on a movie set.
[00:07:49]  So I stayed back with the kids.
[00:07:52]  You talked a lot about things that you saw other people did right and wrong without obviously naming names.
[00:07:57]  Yeah, what are some of the things you mentioned staying, you know, being the parent who's home and being present for your children?
[00:08:03]  What are the other things that you think are right?
[00:08:04]  And then would you mind telling us some of the things that you think are incorrect?
[00:08:07]  Okay, so I think things that are right is making sure that you're home with your kids at night.
[00:08:12]  Don't try to plan too much, like, oh, I have to be with my friends.
[00:08:16]  And you're going to have plenty of time to hang out with friends when your kids are at school or, you know, when they grow up.
[00:08:24]  You're going to have a lot of time and you're going to have a lot of alone time.
[00:08:27]  What I think is consistency.
[00:08:29]  I think a lot of times what I did with my kids right was I was very consistent with them.
[00:08:35]  So we had, you know, they had to play a sport.
[00:08:38]  They had to, you know, do their homework.
[00:08:40]  There was no slacking off with not going to school.
[00:08:43]  They always went to school.
[00:08:44]  They were always on time.
[00:08:45]  I really stressed being punctual for people because that's a really good thing to be in life is punctual and be accountable.
[00:08:53]  I made them do that.
[00:08:54]  And another thing is I wanted to raise really good people, kind people, really strong women, smart women, but also really nice people.
[00:09:03]  I think we need more nice people in this world.
[00:09:06]  And I raised them to be very nice.
[00:09:08]  It was hard in school because a lot of kids aren't very nice and they were bullies.
[00:09:12]  And my kids had to survive that.
[00:09:14]  And they got bullied a lot in school.
[00:09:17]  But, you know, they got through it and they're better people today because they were the kinder ones.
[00:09:22]  And what do you think were the incorrect?
[00:09:24]  The incorrect was I think a lot of women, especially in our town of Hollywood, they spent too much time thinking what you have and what this other person and competing with the vacations, the clothes, the homes, the lifestyle, or trying to be everywhere and trying to be the it person in the room instead of really focusing on the most important people in your life, which is your husband and your kids.
[00:09:53]  Those are the most important people.
[00:09:55]  So they spent too much time focusing on their faces and their hair and getting it blown out and their clothes had to be perfect and they sent nannies every day to pick up their kids from school.
[00:10:06]  I never saw them and they wouldn't participate.
[00:10:08]  And when a kid feels that the parents aren't there and they're not participating in their lives, they feel abandoned and they feel insecure and that's when kids act out and they don't have the security like they should.
[00:10:23]  And especially in the early years, just because they're little, that's the most important time you need to be with them.
[00:10:31]  The first five to first five years of a child's life really gives them confidence in who they're going to be as an adult.
[00:10:39]  So stay with those kids in the first few years because that's going to give them structure.
[00:10:44]  You know, you can't send them off to kindergarten if they don't even know what a nap time is or a bedtime is or any responsibility.
[00:10:51]  So would you say it's harder the first five years or 15 to 20?
[00:10:55]  Well, I always say little kids little problems, big kids big problems.
[00:10:59]  The big problems are the hard things when they're driving and they're dating and those things get a little more complicated.
[00:11:05]  So I think that it's harder when they're older.
[00:11:07]  Do you think Hollywood glamorizes the dysfunction, especially among children?
[00:11:11]  I think they love it.
[00:11:13]  I think people that are dysfunctional love to see other dysfunctional people because it makes them feel normal.
[00:11:19]  I was always so normal, almost too normal for the Hollywood crowd, that sometimes I feel like I didn't fit in.
[00:11:25]  I was kind of a fish out of water there.
[00:11:28]  Do you have any stories or examples for when you would go to something and you kind of felt like a fish out of water?
[00:11:37]  I would show up and I would leave like a luncheon early because I had to pick up my kids from school.
[00:11:43]  And I think they kind of made comments about me.
[00:11:46]  And I felt, this one time I was really shocked.
[00:11:49]  I thought everyone in the room liked me.
[00:11:52]  It was a birthday luncheon.
[00:11:54]  And I was saying goodbye to everyone and I thought, oh my God, these women really are kind to me and they like me.
[00:11:59]  And I forgot my sweater.
[00:12:01]  So I ran back in and I heard them all talking about me.
[00:12:05]  Like, why do you like her?
[00:12:06]  And all this stuff.
[00:12:07]  And literally, I literally ran out crying.
[00:12:11]  And I think they all saw it and they were so shocked.
[00:12:14]  But I was so shocked because I truly thought these people were my friends.
[00:12:19]  And that's when I realized, wow, you know, it was a pretty tough town.
[00:12:24]  It makes you really sad when you experience that.
[00:12:28]  I think that's common throughout the country.
[00:12:29]  I think women are incredibly tough on other women.
[00:12:31]  Yeah, I love women.
[00:12:33]  I want other women to do well.
[00:12:35]  I have three daughters.
[00:12:36]  I support women.
[00:12:37]  I'm always trying to be their champion or their supporter.
[00:12:42]  When your daughters were in school, at least when I was growing up, the big thing was anorexia and bulimia.
[00:12:48]  Was that the same when your daughters were growing up?
[00:12:50]  It really wasn't until they got to college.
[00:12:53]  College, they saw it a lot more, and that was really challenging.
[00:12:56]  I mean, the girls were just, they were teaching each other like tricks what to do, what pills to take, how to throw up in the bathroom.
[00:13:06]  I mean, it's rampant in college.
[00:13:09]  I mean, you'd be surprised.
[00:13:10]  I had no idea.
[00:13:11]  Do you think that's now transformed kind of into the, transformed, into the transgender movement where there's suddenly now this huge surge in people claiming to be transgender?
[00:13:23]  I think it's very confusing.
[00:13:25]  When I grew up, we didn't even know what a transgender was.
[00:13:29]  I mean, we didn't talk about it.
[00:13:30]  And maybe somebody was, but they really didn't express it until they were, you know, out of high school.
[00:13:36]  And then they could really think about it.
[00:13:39]  And I think that's a better place to start thinking about it because you're still, you're going through so many changes.
[00:13:44]  I mean, my daughters were all tomboys.
[00:13:46]  They prefer to wear pants than dresses, you know, and they love sports.
[00:13:51]  But I never said, oh, you're a boy now.
[00:13:54]  I just said, you love to play sports.
[00:13:55]  You love to hang out with boys.
[00:13:57]  That's awesome.
[00:13:58]  And we didn't talk about it.
[00:14:00]  And, you know, and they grew up and they were just, then they started wearing dresses.
[00:14:05]  I mean, it was, I think we're putting so much emphasis on it that it's very confusing for these kids.
[00:14:11]  Like, just because they do something a little different doesn't mean we have to jump into it and then they get all this attention because they're changing and maybe they don't, that was just how they are for a year.
[00:14:24]  You raised three kids in Hollywood as, you know, and so why do you think it is that so many kids in Hollywood now and kids of, you know, celebrity parents are transgender?
[00:14:37]  Is there something in the water in Hollywood?
[00:14:40]  I just think Hollywood is a, you know, it's all about expression.
[00:14:45]  So, you know, however you want to express yourself.
[00:14:48]  So if you feel like a cat today, you're a cat.
[00:14:51]  And it's so loosey-goosey.
[00:14:52]  I don't think that we're really understanding that these kids are not our accessories.

=== Why Kids Need Structure (02:49) ===

[00:14:59]  They're little human beings that need structure.
[00:15:02]  And it's okay what you decide to be as an adult, but raise them just with good common sense.
[00:15:10]  And one thing I think that lacks in Hollywood is the structure because it is such a world where, you know, the parents are on this location and the other parent is on that location.
[00:15:22]  And there's so many people coming into their lives that, you know, children, I think, really need structure.
[00:15:29]  And structure is really important for them because it helps their brain organize everything.
[00:15:36]  And I think growing up in a Hollywood home, there's really no structure because you've got this thing going and you've got private planes and you've got all these giant homes with chefs and secretaries and assistants and housekeepers, like nannies.
[00:15:52]  And there's just too much of everything.
[00:15:54]  It gets really confusing for a young, a little person.
[00:15:58]  And I think that it's just, there's too much of everything.
[00:16:02]  It's confusing.
[00:16:03]  You know, you got mom and dad and hair makeup 24 hours and there's no like just normal, like ride your bike and learning how to skateboard in the neighborhood with the other kids and roller skating and just doing like normal things is so important.
[00:16:19]  I think Hollywood that I saw, a lot of the Hollywood kids just didn't have that normal upbringing.
[00:16:25]  In the age of the rise of TikTok and influencer culture, do you think it's harder to raise grounded kids, especially girls now, than it was when you were raising your children?
[00:16:34]  Oh, 100%.
[00:16:35]  I mean, they didn't have any of that.
[00:16:37]  Most of my kids were like playing with my little pet shop and like little things.
[00:16:42]  They were not playing on the internet.
[00:16:44]  And, you know, they had a few video games and things like that, but it was like structured time.
[00:16:50]  And thank God they didn't have all that because I think it's so difficult for kids today.
[00:16:55]  I mean, they're being influenced and you're made to look like this.
[00:16:58]  And by the way, nobody looks like that.
[00:17:00]  Those are all filters.
[00:17:02]  They have filters on 13-year-olds.
[00:17:04]  And I'm like, this is getting out of control.
[00:17:07]  I think everything should say filter on.
[00:17:10]  Like, so these kids know that their faces don't look like this and their bodies don't look like that.
[00:17:15]  I mean, it's crazy.
[00:17:17]  It should have a tag that this has all been airbrushed.
[00:17:20]  It's all filtered.
[00:17:22]  Nobody really looks like this.
[00:17:25]  It's a perfect time for a skincare question.
[00:17:26]  Do you think if more women and girls took care of their skin, they would be less likely to do other injectables and other harsher treatments later on?
[00:17:36]  No.
[00:17:37]  I think that skincare is really important for maintenance.
[00:17:41]  But the structure of your face, your nose, your lip size, your cheek size, it's not going to grow or change because you put a moisturizer on.

=== Navigating Celebrity Pressure (10:51) ===

[00:17:49]  So moisturizers are good to protect the moisture barrier.
[00:17:52]  If you have acne, glycolic, salicylic acid, benzoyl peroxida, that's all good to help your skin exfoliate, get rid of the dead skin cells that can cause acne breakouts.
[00:18:03]  That stuff, yes.
[00:18:04]  Brightening, you know, if you want your skin brighter, vitamin C, vitamin A, things like that, yes.
[00:18:09]  But unfortunately, they're using injectables to change the entire shape and look of their face.
[00:18:16]  You and Cy have had one of the longest marriages, I think, of many Hollywood couples.
[00:18:21]  Yes.
[00:18:23]  Could you, for all of us who are, say, newly married, five years in, tell us, you know, how you did it and about some of the ups and downs of marriages and why you should stick it out?
[00:18:33]  Okay.
[00:18:34]  There is no perfect marriage.
[00:18:36]  So everyone that's looking for that dream marriage, there's no such thing.
[00:18:41]  You know, it's just like your relationships with your parents or your sister or brother.
[00:18:48]  You know, you have good days, you have bad days, you have good years, you have bad years, you have tough times, but you have great times.
[00:18:55]  And you just have to think that you can replace one marriage into the next one, but is it really, is it just replacing it?
[00:19:05]  I mean, to me, I think people are so ready to just jump when it gets a little tough instead of really working on it.
[00:19:12]  I think it's really important to work on marriage and understand we all go through different times mentally.
[00:19:21]  We go through struffle times in our careers, in our children's ages.
[00:19:26]  The one thing I would say is be patient with each other.
[00:19:30]  You know, it's so hard because everyone has a different mentality in marriage and what they're going for in a marriage.
[00:19:38]  My marriage has lasted the test of time because I'm incredibly patient and I'm incredibly forgiving.
[00:19:47]  So, sorry, Sly.
[00:19:52]  That's why it's worked.
[00:19:53]  Don't just get it.
[00:19:56]  Well, I'm, you know.
[00:19:58]  What would he say on the flip side of that?
[00:20:00]  He said, she's right.
[00:20:01]  That's why it works.
[00:20:03]  That's why it works because now he just agrees with everything.
[00:20:06]  He's like, no, she works.
[00:20:07]  It works because she's right.
[00:20:09]  And I think now he gets it.
[00:20:10]  He goes, yeah, he probably thought it was really crazy in the beginning because I had like ideas of how our home was going to be and our children and everything.
[00:20:18]  And he kind of had more of a free spirit.
[00:20:20]  He didn't even, he was like, I'm not going to parent teacher.
[00:20:23]  They don't have to go to school.
[00:20:24]  And I was like, yes, they do.
[00:20:26]  And they're never going to be late.
[00:20:27]  And my kids got perfect student awards.
[00:20:30]  But our balance, our yin and yang, like he got me, I'm very A-type.
[00:20:34]  He got me out of my box.
[00:20:36]  And then he kind of, so I could be a little more crazy sometimes.
[00:20:40]  And then I think I brought him to a wonderful, loving home, which he never had before.
[00:20:45]  So, you know, we each offered something.
[00:20:48]  It's funny.
[00:20:48]  Five years in, finally, like for the first time, Stephen turns to me and he goes, do you want me to like offer you advice on how to fix it?
[00:20:54]  Or are you just looking for me to listen to you?
[00:20:57]  And I was like, B, just listen.
[00:20:59]  Just listen.
[00:20:59]  Don't offer.
[00:21:00]  I just need to get it out and then I'm okay.
[00:21:03]  It's like the first time I'm like, stop offering me advice.
[00:21:06]  It's not what I'm coming to.
[00:21:07]  Exactly.
[00:21:07]  I think a good thing is once the kids go to bed, it's really important to have you time with your husband and wife time instead of like, you can't always just focus on children.
[00:21:16]  You have to, I think that would be one advice I would say is like, go have a glass of wine together.
[00:21:21]  Go sit outside where the kids can't hear you and just kind of like reconnect as, because if you're good as husband and wife, your children will be good.
[00:21:31]  How have you managed to balance your own professional passions and your career when he's had such a demanding one?
[00:21:37]  Is it at times that you've taken a back seat to his career and now that your kids are out of the home, you're stepping up more?
[00:21:42]  Like I want to go to giving advice to other women who feel like they are, their career has taken a back seat and their husband's ambitions have won out.
[00:21:52]  And is it the wife's job to stay at home and raise the children while their husbands are doing amazing things?
[00:21:57]  That's a real hard thing.
[00:21:58]  I think it is very challenging for women because a lot of my friends did stay home and my two older sisters, one was an RN, and she stopped when her first daughter was born, her oldest daughter.
[00:22:09]  And I think it's hard because I know being a stay-at-home mom is one of the toughest jobs I've ever done in my whole life.
[00:22:16]  I can run a company.
[00:22:17]  I work 17 hours a day on the road.
[00:22:19]  I could do all this stuff.
[00:22:22]  Being home, doing the same thing, cooking, cleaning, driving the kids to school, making lunches, unpacks, going to sports, making dinner, cleaning the house, that to me is 100 times harder than going to work.
[00:22:36]  I used to sit on a plane for five hours when I traveled to the East Coast, and I'd sit next to businessmen, and they'd be like, ah, you know, I have to go to work.
[00:22:45]  And I'm like, are you joking?
[00:22:48]  Like, we're sitting here watching TV, going through our notes, drinking a coffee.
[00:22:53]  No one's pulling on us.
[00:22:54]  No one's asking us for anything.
[00:22:56]  This is vacation.
[00:22:57]  It's a luxury.
[00:22:58]  It's a luxury.
[00:22:59]  What?
[00:22:59]  Are you joking?
[00:23:00]  And I'm like, come on, snap out of it.
[00:23:02]  Go do what your wife is doing.
[00:23:04]  And you come back and tell me, you'll be like, I want to be sitting here, just like get to order my own dinner.
[00:23:10]  I don't have to order five other dinners and pack and do for everybody.
[00:23:14]  No, it's much easier going to work and getting a paycheck at the end of the day than staying home.
[00:23:21]  And no one goes, good job, you did great today.
[00:23:24]  Here's money for working all day.
[00:23:26]  You don't get that as a mom.
[00:23:28]  You're exhausted and it gets monotonous over time.
[00:23:33]  But the greatest joy is, like, I wouldn't change that for the world.
[00:23:38]  I was blessed to be able to do both and sort of manage it pretty well.
[00:23:42]  It was hard.
[00:23:43]  It was really hard at times, but I also, I would fly all night just to get land so I could get home to take my kids to school in the morning.
[00:23:53]  Like, yes, those were hard times, but I just, a lot of women can't do that balance.
[00:23:58]  It's really tough for a lot of women today to try to manage a home, you know, a career, and, you know, take care of your husband and everything else that goes along with that.
[00:24:09]  Do you think if society was more supportive of saying to women, it's not your income that matters or your paycheck or what you're doing in the workplace, but also a high and good use of your time is being a mom and staying at home with your children?
[00:24:21]  It's so important.
[00:24:22]  It's so important.
[00:24:22]  And if you have an option to work part-time or even stay at home for at least the first like seven, eight years of your kid's life, I would say stay at home.
[00:24:31]  Those kids are going to come out and it's going to be so much better for them and for you in the long run.
[00:24:37]  It is.
[00:24:38]  It truly is.
[00:24:39]  And I don't, I always think that like we put too much emphasis on like what society should say and what we should do.
[00:24:47]  You really just got to look in.
[00:24:49]  Don't worry about what's going on.
[00:24:50]  Your neighbors, this person over here, if they're mentioning it on the news, who cares?
[00:24:56]  You know what's right.
[00:24:57]  You know what's right for your family.
[00:24:58]  You know what's right for your kids.
[00:24:59]  You do what's right.
[00:25:00]  Don't worry about what other people are talking about.
[00:25:02]  Don't worry about what your friends are doing or what they're saying.
[00:25:06]  Because instinctually, moms and women, that's our greatest gift is our ability to know what's right and what's wrong.
[00:25:14]  We know it.
[00:25:15]  We know what's wrong with our kids, what's right with our marriages.
[00:25:19]  So just really go off of that natural, you know, God-given instinct of who we know the truth.
[00:25:27]  We know what's right.
[00:25:28]  I'm sure over time though living in Hollywood, you've built up a thick skin to not giving a shit.
[00:25:32]  I will say this, what anybody else thinks.
[00:25:34]  But it is very hard to not care what your friends think or how people in the community view you or what so-and-so says.
[00:25:41]  It is, but again, that's a lot of it's white noise.
[00:25:44]  You got to, what I would recommend, just being an older woman, I'm now in my late 50s, I would say for women, find, if you have like sisters, great.
[00:25:55]  That's an amazing gift.
[00:25:57]  But if you don't or your sisters don't live near you, just find like two or three really good women that you protect each other's marriages, you watch each other's kids, you have each other's backs.
[00:26:08]  That's all you need.
[00:26:09]  You don't need a whole community.
[00:26:11]  You just need a couple people.
[00:26:13]  So back to marriage very quickly.
[00:26:15]  Why do you think that so many celebrity marriages fall apart in Hollywood?
[00:26:19]  You've seen, I'm sure, a lot of your friends through the years go through marriage and divorce.
[00:26:23]  What is, I just want to go back to this, what is unique about Hollywood?
[00:26:26]  Because I think so many people see this in the news, whether it be people or E or something, they just don't understand the culture of what it's like.
[00:26:34]  Well, you have to remember, celebrities are people.
[00:26:38]  And they go to the bathroom.
[00:26:41]  They brush their teeth.
[00:26:42]  They have bad hair days.
[00:26:44]  They have, you know, they wake up looking ugly.
[00:26:46]  And then they bring in their team that clips in all the fake hair and they put in, you know, their fake eyelashes and they dress them head to toe.
[00:26:54]  But at the bottom, you know, they're still people.
[00:26:57]  And it's a very insecure business.
[00:26:59]  And I'll tell you why.
[00:27:00]  Especially if you're in front of the camera because you're always aging in front of the camera.
[00:27:05]  People are like, oh my God, she doesn't look as good as she did a few years ago.
[00:27:08]  And la la la.
[00:27:09]  So women are always feeling that time clock.
[00:27:12]  And then a lot of what happens is, especially in the acting world and producing directors, what I see on the set is that you're away.
[00:27:22]  The wife is usually home or the husband's home with the kids and you're in a different state because you don't film in Los Angeles anymore.
[00:27:29]  You film in Atlanta or New Orleans or Canada or Bulgaria.
[00:27:34]  So you're not home for like a month or two or sometimes three months.
[00:27:37]  So your set becomes your family.
[00:27:40]  And you start to look at your hair and makeup people and the director or producers and the clothing people.
[00:27:46]  And you start to say, oh, those aren't like my family.
[00:27:48]  We spend 15 hours a day together.
[00:27:51]  I know everything about them.
[00:27:52]  And that becomes your makeshift family.
[00:27:55]  You go to dinners with them.
[00:27:57]  And then you see, let's say your wife back home and she's been like crying babies on her.
[00:28:03]  She's exhausted.
[00:28:04]  And you're sitting in a makeup chair and you get just to read lines.
[00:28:08]  So it's really hard for the person that has to stay at home because then when you get back together, you almost have to figure each other out again.
[00:28:17]  You're like, okay, you just were gone for three months and all I heard about was the stories on the set, but like, I'm home, like, who are you again?
[00:28:25]  Like, you sort of have to figure each other out.
[00:28:27]  And I think that's what happens with a lot of these marriages is that there's just too much time apart.
[00:28:32]  You kind of grow apart a little bit when you're out in the world filming.
[00:28:36]  The kids get left behind.
[00:28:38]  It's just, it's very confusing.

=== Aging Gracefully in Hollywood (08:05) ===

[00:28:40]  Okay, I promise this is my last celebrity question.
[00:28:42]  Okay.
[00:28:42]  A lot of people would say, everybody's saying, that Sylvester Salone would probably be the person they would like to meet the most if they would meet a celebrity, right?
[00:28:50]  Yeah.
[00:28:51]  So when you meet the person, I want to know who it is.
[00:28:54]  Would you say, is it maybe yours as a couple or just yours, like your celebrity?
[00:28:58]  You're like, oh man, if only I ever met there or maybe you have.
[00:29:02]  What was that interaction like?
[00:29:04]  Because I know it's different when you don't want to bother somebody and you want to.
[00:29:08]  I will never bother anyone or go up to anybody because people, nobody knows who I am.
[00:29:12]  So like if I'm with Sly, they know I'm his wife.
[00:29:15]  So I never approach anyone unless I really, really know them.
[00:29:20]  But I really, I like the older celebrities like Jimmy Stewart.
[00:29:25]  Like I just feel like he seemed like a really good guy, like a really good husband, a really good man.
[00:29:31]  I think people like that, like really good character.
[00:29:35]  I don't know.
[00:29:35]  I don't know him.
[00:29:36]  I never met him.
[00:29:37]  So maybe like someone like that, I envisioned because of the movies he made.
[00:29:41]  I thought, wow, that guy's pretty cool.
[00:29:44]  So I'm going to go back to serious skincare for a second.
[00:29:47]  So can you tell us more about what products have been your favorite?
[00:29:51]  Why have you loved selling it?
[00:29:53]  And why did you start the brand?
[00:29:56]  Well, I'll start with why I started it.
[00:29:58]  I had acne growing up and I never was on Accutane and I couldn't get my skin to get clear.
[00:30:04]  So I was searching and searching for some product and then finally I met this lady, her name was Lisa up in Santa Cruz, California, and she had a little skincare line and she's like, oh, you know, I've helped so many people with acne and this is way, way, so like 30 years ago.
[00:30:20]  And she goes, it really takes like a system, like glycolic cleanser to exfoliate the skin and then salicytic acid and benzoyl peroxide.
[00:30:29]  But you need a step.
[00:30:30]  You're going to like cleanse correctly, exfoliate, and then treat the skin and then heal the skin with a moisturizer.
[00:30:36]  But all of them have to work together because, you know, acne is your skin's inability to peel itself correctly within the follicle wall.
[00:30:43]  It gets clogged with dead skin cells, like your skin doesn't exfoliate.
[00:30:46]  Like natural skin cells kind of exfoliate all the time.
[00:30:50]  We have dead skin cells floating all around us right now.
[00:30:53]  What happens with people with acneic skin is their skin gets trapped.
[00:30:56]  Those dead skin cells don't exfoliate.
[00:30:58]  So it gets stuck in the skin with bacteria and all that other stuff.
[00:31:02]  It forms a pimple, blackhead or a white head.
[00:31:05]  Well, she was like, well, it's your skin exfoliating every 12 hours, morning and night.
[00:31:11]  You'll have clearer skin.
[00:31:13]  It takes time, but get that skin cell turnover.
[00:31:16]  And I thought, that's genius.
[00:31:17]  This is before all the other skincare lines out there that are on TV.
[00:31:21]  This is, we were the first.
[00:31:23]  This is a three-piece system.
[00:31:24]  I said, oh, that's genius.
[00:31:25]  And I was in my mid-20s.
[00:31:28]  I had been modeling and I had money saved up.
[00:31:32]  And I thought, wow, if I could get this on TV and explain it to people, but I didn't have enough money for advertising.
[00:31:39]  I didn't have enough money to put ads in the newspapers or in the magazines.
[00:31:43]  But I was watching Home Shopping Network one night and I thought, wow, you can go on there and like sell everything and like show them and explain why this works.
[00:31:53]  So I went, okay, I got to figure out how to get to Florida.
[00:31:56]  I have to figure out how to get a meeting.
[00:31:57]  I have to figure out how to get the product there.
[00:31:59]  So my partner and I at the time went down there.
[00:32:03]  We explained it and they were like, well, you know, our customer is a little bit older.
[00:32:08]  I know.
[00:32:08]  I go, but they have kids, they have grandkids, and they may have adult acne, like menopausal acne.
[00:32:13]  They're like, yeah, well, you know, we'll put you on like two in the morning.
[00:32:17]  So they bought 5,000 units of our little three or four-piece kit.
[00:32:22]  And we manufactured them.
[00:32:23]  I shipped it out to them and we sold out.
[00:32:27]  And then they ordered some more.
[00:32:28]  And then they ordered another shipment.
[00:32:31]  So after about, you know, me going down there, I realized, wow, we really have something here, but I'm paying too much for the packaging.
[00:32:38]  I'm paying too much for the caps.
[00:32:40]  I'm paying too much for the shipping.
[00:32:41]  My costs were getting too high, so the margin wasn't that great.
[00:32:45]  So I asked home shopping, the people who worked there, I said, you know, who knows how to manufacture, who can help me run this business?
[00:32:53]  And they introduced me to my business partner, George.
[00:32:56]  So we made him a partner.
[00:32:58]  And the rest is history.
[00:33:00]  And then we just started making products.
[00:33:02]  And at one time, I think we had 75 SKUs.
[00:33:06]  And we were doing, at the time, I think we were selling, I mean, we had a vitamin A kit.
[00:33:12]  We'd sell 15 to 20,000 of them in a weekend.
[00:33:16]  I would sell 100,000 Instatox, which was a wrinkle smoother, you know, an instant wrinkle smoother.
[00:33:22]  Now the market is flooded with those, but we were the first one.
[00:33:25]  So we were really inventive with a lot of our products because a lot of people that had ideas or really unique ingredients, because we could manufacture them so quickly and get them to market really fast because of home shopping, they would give us the ingredient and the formula, and then we'd make it and then I present it to our customers.
[00:33:48]  What's your favorite product or which one do you use now?
[00:33:51]  Still, the ones I love today would definitely be my glycolic cleanser that I've been using for 30 years.
[00:33:56]  I love a glycolic cleanser.
[00:33:58]  I love this other product called Lock and Bond.
[00:33:59]  It's like a very heavy moisturizer.
[00:34:02]  I love our vitamin C night cream.
[00:34:04]  I love our lash eyelash makeup eye remover because it has an eyelash growth ingredient in there.
[00:34:14]  So when I'm taking off my eye makeup, it helps to grow your lashes.
[00:34:18]  You know, I have so many products.
[00:34:19]  I love our Dry Low.
[00:34:20]  It's like our one-stop acne, you know, pimple eraser.
[00:34:25]  What's your skincare routine now?
[00:34:28]  I use my cleanser every day.
[00:34:30]  I also like a buff puff.
[00:34:32]  This is really like one of my cheats.
[00:34:34]  I buy those buff puffs that you get at the drugstore and they're reusable.
[00:34:39]  You can buy the gentle ones.
[00:34:40]  I use the regular ones and I put my glycolic cleanser on that.
[00:34:43]  And that really does a really good scrub on your face, gets rid of the makeup and everything.
[00:34:48]  And then I take off my eye makeup.
[00:34:50]  I use, I don't use too many eye creams, but I use my vitamin C cream.
[00:34:56]  I love our vitamin E serum.
[00:34:58]  And I always layer.
[00:35:00]  So I throw on.
[00:35:02]  I kind of have a whole bunch of products and I'm just like, just throw it off.
[00:35:06]  It doesn't matter.
[00:35:07]  I go serum first, moisturizer second.
[00:35:09]  How about that?
[00:35:10]  You've seen trends come and go.
[00:35:13]  Yeah.
[00:35:14]  Which one should never come back?
[00:35:17]  Good.
[00:35:18]  Oh, God.
[00:35:19]  Oh, I don't even know.
[00:35:22]  Oh, God.
[00:35:25]  Tattooing.
[00:35:28]  I'm not a fan of tattoos, even though Sly has a few on them.
[00:35:31]  I just think I'd rather do something that's not permanent.
[00:35:34]  I've never, I don't have a tattoo, by the way.
[00:35:36]  But I think permanent things.
[00:35:39]  I have two, and I wish I never did them.
[00:35:41]  See?
[00:35:42]  I wish I never did that.
[00:35:43]  I did it when I was like 15 and 16, and I just wanted to tell you the day that I can get them removed rather than having children.
[00:35:49]  I tell them, I said, I go, there's nothing you're going to like on your body that you're going to want forever.
[00:35:55]  Like, there's nothing, like even a mole, sometimes you want that mole off.
[00:36:00]  I think tattooing, put something semi-permanent, like nothing permanent, because you're going to want to change it.
[00:36:06]  Hair color, it's like hair, you know, cuts.
[00:36:10]  There's a pressure in Hollywood for women to age gracefully.
[00:36:13]  How do you navigate that?
[00:36:16]  You know, I'm not going to say I don't do stuff because I would be lying.
[00:36:19]  I mean, I do occasional Botox and things like that.
[00:36:22]  I mean, I would like to get my neck done on these days.
[00:36:26]  I mean, I am 57.
[00:36:28]  Let's get real.
[00:36:29]  I mean, you know, I think when I'm in my 60s, I might do a little of this, a little of that.
[00:36:34]  But I think graceful is, you know, in the eye of the beholder.
[00:36:38]  If you don't care, like, look at me, I'm wrinkled.
[00:36:41]  I don't, I have a fringe.
[00:36:43]  So I don't hope to look as good as you.

=== Real Life vs. Filmed Situations (06:36) ===

[00:36:45]  You know, I'm like, whatever.
[00:36:47]  I do it, but then I forget to do it for a really long time.
[00:36:50]  Then I look in the mirror and I'm like, oh my God, I got to do something.
[00:36:53]  I do, I do a lot of like treatments as far as like peels and things like that.
[00:36:58]  I've grown up in the sun my whole life.
[00:37:00]  I grew up in California on the beach and I grew up, now I'm living in Florida.
[00:37:04]  So, you know, we get like age spots and things like that.
[00:37:07]  You know, you want those removed.
[00:37:09]  Whatever, that's graceful, isn't it?
[00:37:12]  What's your daily routine like?
[00:37:14]  I get up early and make the coffee.
[00:37:15]  What do you want to know?
[00:37:16]  I take my dogs out.
[00:37:18]  Yeah, the dogs, I let them go to the bathroom.
[00:37:21]  I will just say this.
[00:37:22]  For women out there like myself, the reason why I started this podcast is because there are so much pressures in everyday life and society.
[00:37:30]  And most women who are sitting at home or who are working say no one else feels like me or no one else lives the same day like I live through the bad times, the good times and everything in between.
[00:37:40]  And so for someone like you, I think it's just important that people hear like, what is a normal day?
[00:37:44]  Because I think what people would perceive a normal day isn't your real normal day.
[00:37:47]  It's not my real normal day.
[00:37:49]  Like I don't get my nails done.
[00:37:50]  Like how horrible they look.
[00:37:52]  And like I don't want to waste time doing that.
[00:37:55]  I do, like I make the coffee the night before.
[00:37:57]  That's so I just have to push the button in the morning, let the dogs out, wait for the coffee to brew.
[00:38:02]  I bring Sly and I a cup of coffee so we have our coffee in bed.
[00:38:05]  We can watch the news.
[00:38:06]  I mean, we just do normal things.
[00:38:08]  I like to wake up a little earlier before the whole house wakes up.
[00:38:11]  Right now, we're empty nesters, unfortunately.
[00:38:13]  So it's just us and the dogs and the cat.
[00:38:16]  And then I make breakfast, eggs, toast.
[00:38:20]  I do normal things.
[00:38:21]  I like go to the grocery store.
[00:38:23]  I love going to the grocery store.
[00:38:24]  Do you Whole Foods or you Publix?
[00:38:27]  Whatever I'm buying.
[00:38:28]  If I'm buying like meats and produce, I like Whole Foods.
[00:38:31]  If I'm buying more staple stuff, milks and things like that, oatmeal, I go to the closest one, which is usually Publix.
[00:38:39]  And then sometimes I go to specialty stores to get like my favorite breads and things like that.
[00:38:44]  What do you typically eat in a day?
[00:38:45]  Oh, I'm an eater.
[00:38:47]  I'm no Slim Jim.
[00:38:49]  I like to eat.
[00:38:50]  So I eat breakfast, eggs, toast, avocado.
[00:38:54]  I make an oatmeal, like overnight oats, and I make a big pot of it.
[00:38:57]  So it's always in my refrigerator.
[00:38:59]  And it has like chia seeds and it has oats and almond milk, oat milk, kefir in there, some cinnamon, mix it all up, stick it in the refrigerator.
[00:39:11]  And so when I'm hungry or if I don't have time to eat breakfast, I do that.
[00:39:15]  And then I don't eat a huge lunch.
[00:39:17]  I'll usually snack on something like some cheese and crackers or some chicken salad, whatever's in the fridge.
[00:39:23]  And then dinner, half the time I order in.
[00:39:26]  And then the other time, since Scarlett's here, my youngest, and she's a great cook.
[00:39:31]  So we'll make steaks and we'll make, she brought me an air fryer.
[00:39:35]  So we make like sweet potato fries in the air fryer and broccoli, like normal stuff.
[00:39:41]  When's the last time you had fast food?
[00:39:44]  Let's say that was on Sunday.
[00:39:47]  We went to Pig Beach.
[00:39:48]  It's called Pig Beach here.
[00:39:50]  It's on, I think, I think it's on Okeechobee or Dixie Highway.
[00:39:53]  Sorry, it's on Dixie Highways.
[00:39:54]  Pig Beach is awesome.
[00:39:56]  They have these things called Smash Burgers, and I get slide double-double with cheese.
[00:40:00]  I get the single with cheese.
[00:40:01]  We get French fries.
[00:40:03]  And to be healthy, I get the chopped cucumber salad.
[00:40:08]  Points for something, right?
[00:40:10]  Okay, so we played this game on every single episode of a game of Would You Rather?
[00:40:14]  Okay.
[00:40:14]  Would you rather have flawless skin but bad hair days forever or perfect hair but constant breakouts?
[00:40:21]  I would rather have great skin and bad hair because I can do like a lot of it.
[00:40:26]  I can make my hair like messy and I don't care.
[00:40:28]  If I had great skin, I'm good to go.
[00:40:30]  Would you rather have to run up the Philadelphia Art Museum steps every morning or have Eye of the Tiger play every time you sit down?
[00:40:37]  Oh my God, run up the steps.
[00:40:39]  I can get my exercise in and call it a day.
[00:40:42]  Would you rather live in Beverly Hills without a glam team or in Palm Beach without air conditioning?
[00:40:47]  I love it in Palm Beach, so I would have to say I'd put a fan.
[00:40:51]  Can I have a fan?
[00:40:52]  You can have a fan.
[00:40:53]  I'll live in Palm Beach.
[00:40:54]  Which would you rather give up forever, coffee or moisturizer?
[00:40:59]  Moisturizer.
[00:41:01]  I have to have coffee.
[00:41:02]  That's my one thing.
[00:41:05]  Would you rather your husband always be right or never be allowed to correct him when he's wrong?
[00:41:11]  I'd rather him always be right because he's always wrong.
[00:41:18]  I mean, my life would be so easy.
[00:41:22]  All right.
[00:41:22]  What's your guilty pleasure TV show right now?
[00:41:26]  God, my daughter and I are watching.
[00:41:32]  We watch a lot of reality, I have to say.
[00:41:37]  I'm in the middle of watching The Nader Sisters.
[00:41:39]  Haven't seen it.
[00:41:40]  Okay, no.
[00:41:42]  And anything with a housewise, we like.
[00:41:47]  Any housewise one.
[00:41:49]  Give me one.
[00:41:51]  I think Orange County's on right now, so I'll be Orange County.
[00:41:53]  Whichever one is on right now.
[00:41:54]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:41:55]  Is that why you chose to do a reality show because you guys watched a lot of them?
[00:41:58]  We watched a lot of them, but I also wanted ours to be a little different because I thought I love watching reality because all it is is like a cat fight every time.
[00:42:06]  Everyone's crying, everyone's fighting.
[00:42:08]  I'm like, I don't know.
[00:42:10]  How many fights can you get in with one person?
[00:42:13]  It's kind of crazy.
[00:42:14]  So I wanted ours to be a little bit different and show a different side.
[00:42:19]  It's probably one of the hardest things we've ever done.
[00:42:21]  I will never do it again, though.
[00:42:23]  Why was it hard?
[00:42:24]  It's hard because you have people in your home all the time.
[00:42:27]  And it's hard because you can't just have, it's not really reality.
[00:42:33]  You know that.
[00:42:34]  Like you have to say, okay, your daughter's coming home from college.
[00:42:38]  You're upset about that.
[00:42:39]  So you're going to have a conversation while you're upset about that.
[00:42:41]  So it is, everything's set up because they couldn't just follow you around because it'd be kind of boring, right?
[00:42:46]  Like the dog just pooped and you're cleaning poop up.
[00:42:48]  I mean, that's just not how it works.
[00:42:50]  It's like you have to have situations.
[00:42:52]  So they film the situations.
[00:42:55]  And that is a lot of work because you're just coming up with things and thinking of stories and ideas for your show.
[00:43:03]  So, you know, you know, these stories are like, oh, I just planned to go to Vegas because it was on a Tuesday and I wanted my friends to come.
[00:43:09]  That's not, no, we're going to plan to go to Vegas and we're going to plan to do this and we're going to plan to get in a fight.
[00:43:15]  So I didn't realize how much work it is and how much you had to like come up with.

=== The Art of Letting Go (02:05) ===

[00:43:22]  If the fights weren't real, did they often carry on into real life?
[00:43:25]  Or do people understood that they were fake?
[00:43:27]  I think they, I think there was some kind of fight going on.
[00:43:32]  Maybe it wasn't as big as it turned out to be.
[00:43:35]  Then it turns into the snowball and then all of a sudden it's a disaster and everybody's hurt.
[00:43:39]  I think that's what happens.
[00:43:41]  It's like they have a germ of an idea and then it just keeps building and then feelings get hurt.
[00:43:46]  Where in real life you just kind of either pass over it or have like a private conversation.
[00:43:50]  Exactly.
[00:43:50]  Exactly.
[00:43:52]  What do you always keep in your purse?
[00:43:55]  A hairbrush, lip balm, cash, and credit cards.
[00:44:02]  And I think that's about it.
[00:44:04]  How often do you switch purses?
[00:44:06]  Quite a bit.
[00:44:07]  I'm one of those people.
[00:44:09]  I used to save things because I didn't grow up with anything.
[00:44:11]  I'm one of seven children, so I never had anything that special.
[00:44:15]  And when I got a few special things, I remember saving them.
[00:44:20]  And I kept these.
[00:44:21]  Someone gave me these beautiful sweaters and I saved them because I was like, I'm going to save them for a fancy day.
[00:44:27]  One day I'm going to wear these sweaters out.
[00:44:29]  And one day I looked in that drawer and they were all eaten by moths.
[00:44:32]  No.
[00:44:33]  So from that moment on, I'm like, I'm not saving.
[00:44:36]  And I let anyone borrow anything.
[00:44:38]  My girls can wear any of my clothes.
[00:44:40]  They can borrow any of my purses.
[00:44:41]  They can wear my jewelry.
[00:44:43]  They go into my jewelry and they take it.
[00:44:45]  I'm like, just bring it back, you know, because I don't want to save anything anymore.
[00:44:49]  I want to wear everything to the death of it.
[00:44:52]  And I just always just take my purse, dump it in another purse.
[00:44:55]  I always have two purses going at one time.
[00:44:58]  Do you ever find like, I find now when I change purses, it's like my other purses have like just stuff in them.
[00:45:02]  Like it's a trail of stuff.
[00:45:04]  I find things.
[00:45:04]  Money.
[00:45:05]  Like there's always like $20 somewhere.
[00:45:07]  There's mints.
[00:45:08]  There's this.
[00:45:09]  There's that.
[00:45:10]  There's like, oh, that's where that clip went.
[00:45:12]  What's your go-to hype song?
[00:45:16]  I have a lot.
[00:45:17]  I love old school rap.
[00:45:19]  I love like old school rap.
[00:45:21]  Just any of that is fun.
[00:45:23]  I love country now.
[00:45:24]  I'm listening to a lot of like Morgan Wallen.

=== My Jewelry and Purse Obsession (01:35) ===

[00:45:27]  Is that his name?
[00:45:28]  Yes.
[00:45:29]  I love all that too.
[00:45:30]  I like a combination of music.
[00:45:32]  I don't have like one I just put on and like start rocking out.
[00:45:35]  All right, so our last question of the pod.
[00:45:38]  If you could host a dinner party with three people, dead or alive, who's sitting at the table and what are you eating?
[00:45:43]  Oh God, of course, God.
[00:45:48]  I mean, I mean, come on, you would say like Jesus, of course.
[00:45:53]  I think my father, because he died when I was 11.
[00:45:56]  I'd love him to be there.
[00:45:58]  And my mom died recently.
[00:46:00]  I'd love to see my mom again.
[00:46:01]  So maybe my dad and my mom and Jesus.
[00:46:05]  That'd be fun.
[00:46:06]  And we just drink wine and eat bread, olive oil.
[00:46:10]  I would just, I don't care about really the food as much as like picking at stuff.
[00:46:14]  So maybe some cheeses and some salami and some great dessert, you know, easy food.
[00:46:21]  I'd be all into the conversation.
[00:46:24]  Are you still close with all of your family?
[00:46:26]  Yeah, I'm very close.
[00:46:27]  I mean, unfortunately, we live all across America, but I love my brothers and sisters.
[00:46:31]  Unfortunately, two passed away, two of my brothers.
[00:46:34]  So we're getting smaller, but it's still very, my sisters are my best friends.
[00:46:40]  Family is the most important.
[00:46:42]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:46:43]  Thank you so much for doing this.
[00:46:45]  Thank you.
[00:46:45]  Can I hugger?
[00:46:47]  Thank you.
[00:46:48]  Thank you, everyone, for watching this week's episode of the Katie Miller Podcast.
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