Katie Miller Podcast - Episode 9 - Dr. Kellyann Petrucci | The Katie Miller Podcast
Aired: 2025-10-06
Duration: 01:14:30


=== Launching A Health Agency (05:17) ===

[00:00:00]  I considered myself in the solutions business.
[00:00:02]  I said, okay, there's a problem that needs to be solved.
[00:00:04]  And so when I started getting into that space of how do I help women become really healthy in their body in terms of weight management and in terms of really even aesthetics, because aesthetics matter to women.
[00:00:16]  How do I get that luster and demeanor back to that skin?
[00:00:18]  How do I get that energy?
[00:00:19]  How do I get that thrive?
[00:00:21]  You know, how do we do that?
[00:00:22]  But we don't want to go to let's get skinny and forget about the other things that make a woman magnetic and beautiful.
[00:00:30]  My practice always focused on how do I give women what they want, but not lose focus of energy, of health and agency.
[00:00:38]  The gut impacts everything.
[00:00:40]  It impacts everything.
[00:00:41]  It really is our second brain in every way.
[00:00:43]  And I knew, I knew that there was going to be something big with bone broth.
[00:00:48]  And I realized, you know, I guess that was my life's work.
[00:00:51]  That was definitely my life's work, just making consumers and the world aware of an unbelievable way to keep yourself healthy, an unbelievable way to make so many things happen in your life that you don't even think about.
[00:01:13]  Hi, I'm Katie Miller and welcome to the Katie Miller podcast.
[00:01:16]  Today we're in New York City, joined by Dr. Kellyanne Petrucci.
[00:01:21]  Petrucci!
[00:01:22]  Petrucci!
[00:01:23]  You got it right.
[00:01:24]  So give us a brief 30 seconds of who you are, what we're doing, and why have you been in the health space for your whole career?
[00:01:32]  Yeah, so I'm Dr. Kellyanne Petrucci and I help women between 35 and 60 become slimmer, younger, healthier by using all of the most ancient and natural remedies that I can get my hands on, that I can create, that I can ideate to help people really get intrinsically healthy from the inside out.
[00:01:55]  And this has been something I've done my whole life.
[00:01:58]  I was that girl that did not read the bridal magazines.
[00:02:01]  I didn't, I was reading Mary Tyler Moore, Diabetes Journal, from the get-go.
[00:02:06]  I would head right to any bookstore.
[00:02:08]  I'd head to the health section.
[00:02:10]  This is something that was innately put in me.
[00:02:12]  And I'm just lucky enough that I listened.
[00:02:15]  I'm lucky enough that I listened and I knew exactly what I was pulled to do.
[00:02:19]  And it's all I've ever done.
[00:02:21]  And I am so grateful because I love it.
[00:02:23]  And I never gets old, never gets boring.
[00:02:26]  There's always great innovation.
[00:02:27]  There's always research.
[00:02:28]  There's things to learn, things to do.
[00:02:31]  And when you see transformation on people, it's the most incredible thing that you could possibly see.
[00:02:37]  So how old were you when you launched?
[00:02:40]  So when I first launched, oh, gosh, I studied in Europe for a while.
[00:02:47]  And was it always the age range of 30 to 60, even when you weren't in that age range?
[00:02:51]  I always attracted families.
[00:02:53]  And what I found, because mothers would bring their children in all the time, and they would want me to help their children with everything that you can imagine.
[00:03:01]  And what's your, so were you a family doctor?
[00:03:04]  Yeah, I was in a naturopathic medicine and I was in a family clinic.
[00:03:08]  I started out in a family clinic and I got all of the patients from all walks of life and I heard everything, I saw everything.
[00:03:18]  And what I realized was that women really came in and so many of them felt aimless.
[00:03:25]  And I realized this is an underserved population and culture.
[00:03:29]  This is really underserved.
[00:03:31]  And the suffering that I saw in so many women were typical and it was very, it was all the same.
[00:03:40]  I would hear the same kind of stories over and over, different derivations, but they would all come in and they would feel the same kinds of symptoms and they would feel the same emotionally.
[00:03:50]  And I thought, gosh, there is a focus here that needs to be had.
[00:03:54]  And so I guess because of that, putting that energy out, I was more inclined to start working with women.
[00:04:01]  And when I started getting into the space of hearing, what is the big problem that they want me to solve?
[00:04:06]  And right now, it is frustrating for women when they feel like there's a certain age where they bonk.
[00:04:14]  They just bonk.
[00:04:15]  They don't feel good.
[00:04:16]  And is it post-kids?
[00:04:18]  Yeah, a lot of times it's post-kids.
[00:04:20]  It's like my old tricks aren't working.
[00:04:22]  Nothing that I used to do works anymore.
[00:04:25]  And so I saw, I considered myself in the solutions business.
[00:04:28]  I said, okay, there's a problem that needs to be solved.
[00:04:30]  And so when I started getting into that space of how do I help women become really healthy in their body in terms of weight management and in terms of really even aesthetics, because aesthetics matter to women.
[00:04:44]  How do I get that luster and demeanor back to that skin?
[00:04:47]  How do I get that energy?
[00:04:48]  How do I get that thrive?
[00:04:50]  You know, how do we do that?
[00:04:51]  But we don't want to go to let's get skinny and forget about the other things that make a woman magnetic and beautiful, which is really having that high energy, that high health and agency, having that agency.
[00:05:08]  So my practice always focused on how do I give women what they want, but not lose focus of energy, of health and agency.

=== Writing The Bone Broth Book (10:46) ===

[00:05:17]  So did bone broth come first?
[00:05:19]  Because you launched the bone broth diet, right?
[00:05:21]  I did and did that really.
[00:05:23]  So my career started out in a very interesting way because I ended up meeting an agent.
[00:05:29]  And back in the day, I hate saying anything that says back in the day, but back in the day, when we would go to these seminars and things, you couldn't get in touch with people like you can now on LinkedIn and so forth.
[00:05:42]  So when I came back to the States after going into Europe and I was talking about things like gut health, please keep in mind, no one was talking about things like gut health yet.
[00:05:52]  And I would say to my patients, I would talk about these various things I learned through the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland that were doing very avant-garde things.
[00:06:00]  They would say, you got to write a book.
[00:06:02]  You got to write a book.
[00:06:03]  And I thought, how the heck?
[00:06:04]  I'm in this small town.
[00:06:05]  Like, how do I write a book?
[00:06:07]  So I started going to events.
[00:06:09]  First thing I did was I went to the New York book show and I started talking to people.
[00:06:13]  And then from there, I talked to people.
[00:06:15]  And I finally got into a room where there were agents.
[00:06:19]  And I was very, very fortunate.
[00:06:21]  I actually, you couldn't get near the agents because there were so many people that were grappling for these book deals.
[00:06:27]  You literally couldn't get near these people.
[00:06:29]  So I kept my eye on this one that I knew was a fit.
[00:06:33]  And when he started to leave the room to go to the bathroom, I actually followed him.
[00:06:38]  And I did.
[00:06:38]  And I say that shamelessly, but actually proud at the same time.
[00:06:42]  And what he said to me is, I think you're a stallion and I'm going to take a chance on you.
[00:06:47]  Here is my card.
[00:06:48]  Call me on Monday.
[00:06:49]  And back then, if you got a card, oh, like the Cs would part.
[00:06:54]  You got a card.
[00:06:55]  Okay.
[00:06:56]  And I was so proud.
[00:06:57]  I'm leaving with a card.
[00:06:59]  And it was a big thing.
[00:07:00]  And so when I called him on Monday, much to my surprise, this phone call led to, and keep in mind, I had no social media.
[00:07:08]  I had no website, nothing, but this is a legacy literary agent.
[00:07:13]  His father did it.
[00:07:14]  His grandfather did it.
[00:07:15]  He had a sixth sense.
[00:07:17]  And not only did I get a one book deal with Wiley Publishing, but I got a five book deal with Wiley Publishing.
[00:07:23]  And it was all in the paleo movement because my career started in paleo, which paleo means just like ancestral nutrition.
[00:07:32]  What works best with your genetics?
[00:07:34]  What's out there?
[00:07:35]  And what year was this?
[00:07:36]  And oh my gosh, this was 2000.
[00:07:41]  My first one was published in 2012.
[00:07:44]  So this was in like 2010, 2011, like, you know, way back.
[00:07:49]  And so I wrote these books and I was one of the first on the market in paleo and it was such an easy decision for me because it was how I live my life.
[00:07:59]  And through this whole writing these books and here's where my whole career happened, I was very lucky that I had the education that I had because I could pick up on keywords that I knew made a difference.
[00:08:11]  So as I was writing these books, they kept talking about this broth, this broth, this broth.
[00:08:16]  And I'd study tribes and bands and they kept using this beautiful broth.
[00:08:20]  And then I read a sentence and it said, Mother Teresa would bring these broths to hospitals to heal their gut, to open their gut to healing.
[00:08:29]  It said, open their gut to healing.
[00:08:31]  That's powerful because I know what it means to heal, to open your gut and to really heal in that manner.
[00:08:38]  And so I said, okay, I got like five books.
[00:08:41]  It just kept happening, happening, happening.
[00:08:43]  What is this stuff?
[00:08:45]  And so I started creating it and I started making it and I started testing it.
[00:08:49]  And then I said, this is incredible.
[00:08:51]  What is happening here?
[00:08:53]  I'm going to test this on a larger scale.
[00:08:55]  And I tested it in three different cities and the results were typical.
[00:08:59]  And they pulled a lot of levers.
[00:09:01]  The benefits pulled so many levers that I said, anything that can, that has the compounds in it to achieve this means something and it's going to be a revolution.
[00:09:12]  And it was.
[00:09:13]  So when you say gut health and you talk about brome broth, what do you think of now when you see this whole movement of make America healthy again and people adopt this as the norm instead of as the fringe?
[00:09:26]  I was, you know, I think that you build an internal strength because I did not grow up in popular vote at all in my career.
[00:09:35]  Growing up in my career was the hardest thing.
[00:09:39]  Imagine having to prove yourself at every moment, no matter what your education is, no matter what.
[00:09:45]  But your stance, your paradigm, your belief system is such that you are unshakable.
[00:09:52]  I was unshakable and I knew, I knew when I was talking about the things I was talking about, it meant something to the cells because I saw it and I felt it and I knew the foods that we should be eating and I knew the foods we shouldn't.
[00:10:07]  And through my research, I read something in the New England Journal of Medicine.
[00:10:12]  And this is what made me so strong in my stance.
[00:10:15]  It said, we by design, there are foods as humans we are designed to eat.
[00:10:24]  Make no mistake about it.
[00:10:26]  And it went on to talk about these foods.
[00:10:28]  And it was, again, in the New England Journal of Medicine.
[00:10:31]  Boyd, Eaton Boyd, I believe, was the author of this published article.
[00:10:37]  And I said, exactly.
[00:10:40]  There are foods that work better with our body and you will operate better on these foods.
[00:10:45]  And that's when I knew I said, this is what I'm going to make my life effort about.
[00:10:51]  It's talking about these foods and how they can make you feel and how all this other stuff that seems typical and normal, it's not typical and normal for the body.
[00:11:01]  I was talking about healthy fats and, you know, now the seed oil is the big thing.
[00:11:05]  And thank you, RFK.
[00:11:06]  Thank you.
[00:11:07]  And it's a big thing.
[00:11:08]  But guess what?
[00:11:09]  In the paleo movement, one of the things that was most important to me was to explain to people about omega-3 and omega-6 and how these seed oils are destructive to the body.
[00:11:20]  Have you seen the new studies though, or I think it's, I've seen new literature that say it's not just seed oils, it's any oil in any, you know, mounts that you should really be careful and that it may not be seed oils after all.
[00:11:31]  Have you seen this in the last few weeks?
[00:11:34]  Here's my stance on that.
[00:11:36]  Your cells have a membrane around their cells and you absolutely need fats for those cells to thrive.
[00:11:45]  And you need this cholesterol.
[00:11:47]  need these healthy fats for your brain to operate.
[00:11:50]  So we need these fats.
[00:11:52]  So we need some incoming fats.
[00:11:56]  So do we need to be just throw fats in everything all the time?
[00:12:01]  No, you have to be a little fast to get your beef tallow is all those cracked up to be.
[00:12:04]  I do like beef tallow a lot.
[00:12:06]  I do because it's got a lot of those CLAs, those conjugated linoleic acids.
[00:12:11]  I'm a fan of beef tallow and also it has such a high smoke point that you can just, you know, cook.
[00:12:18]  It's got everything in it and it's not like exploding your like, I noticed this last night I was making French fries for my kids and I put beef tallow in and I kept it at high heat.
[00:12:24]  And I was like thinking to myself, oh man, had this been avocado oil, I'd be like smoking out my house right now.
[00:12:30]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:12:30]  So it's old-fashioned fats is what I love.
[00:12:33]  I call them old-fashioned.
[00:12:34]  Back in the day when, you know, we were told to use butter.
[00:12:37]  Yeah, it's great.
[00:12:38]  You know, so I, how I make my eggs is I use a little bit of, you know, the grass-fed butter.
[00:12:43]  I use a little bit of, you know, a little, little bit of maybe another kind of oil I might mix in.
[00:12:48]  And the eggs taste amazing and it's really powerful for your cells.
[00:12:54]  And that's the whole thing.
[00:12:55]  Did you eat a stick of butter?
[00:12:57]  So I know that people eat sticks of butter.
[00:12:59]  Yeah.
[00:13:00]  I've seen this.
[00:13:00]  Like these videos of people like bringing a stick of butter on the plane with their snacks.
[00:13:04]  I'm like, I wouldn't do that.
[00:13:05]  Okay.
[00:13:06]  So for me and the evolution that I've seen in working with so many patients, I don't think a stick of butter is the way to go.
[00:13:14]  I think there's humor in that.
[00:13:15]  And I'm great if it works for some people.
[00:13:17]  Go for it.
[00:13:19]  And you eat a jar of tallow, eat a stick of butter.
[00:13:21]  But what I'm saying is just we need to just know that what we do on an everyday basis, like our everyday hits, that's what's important.
[00:13:30]  So if we're cooking and we're using these oils and we're using them on a regular basis, we need to make sure that they're the healthy, old-fashioned fats and the ones with the higher smoke points because you could have the healthiest oil around.
[00:13:46]  And if you make that oil rancid by cooking with that oil, then your food, it oxidizes.
[00:13:52]  And oxidizes, anytime I hear the word oxidize, I think inflammation.
[00:13:58]  And an inflamed body is the worst position that you can be.
[00:14:02]  So you wrote five books?
[00:14:04]  I wrote nine.
[00:14:05]  Nine books.
[00:14:06]  Yeah.
[00:14:06]  And so what was the first five?
[00:14:08]  The first five were all about paleo.
[00:14:10]  It was about paleo cooking.
[00:14:12]  It was about living paleo.
[00:14:14]  It was about immunity.
[00:14:16]  It was about paleo fitness.
[00:14:17]  And it was about fasting.
[00:14:19]  So they were all in that realm.
[00:14:21]  And one book, it's interesting because one book led to another, led to another.
[00:14:25]  Like there was one thematic thing that I got from each of the book and the bone broth diet, which came after the fasting book that would not have shaped and molded the way it did had I not written that last book.
[00:14:37]  And like everybody in my life had an intervention with me.
[00:14:40]  They're like, five books.
[00:14:41]  Are you nuts?
[00:14:42]  Never write another book.
[00:14:44]  And I was getting book butt.
[00:14:45]  And book butt is like my whole body, like everything I stood for was falling apart because I was sitting in this closed chain sitting every day and writing and writing and writing and writing.
[00:14:56]  And I was in my groove and I loved it.
[00:14:58]  And I'm thinking, this is really cool.
[00:14:59]  So I'm spitting out one book after the other.
[00:15:02]  When I got to the fifth and Bill, the agent, he's like, okay, let's get going on that.
[00:15:08]  You know, the next book.
[00:15:09]  Let's do the fasting book.
[00:15:11]  Literally, there was an intervention to be had.
[00:15:14]  Are you nuts?
[00:15:15]  And when I explored fasting and the value of fasting and different kinds of fasting, it was that was implemented into the bone broth diet.
[00:15:24]  And the bone broth diet would not have happened had I not been at an event and I had not been sitting next to the big decision maker at Rodell at the time, which was now bought by Penguin Random, but Rodell.
[00:15:37]  And she said, I know about your paleo books.
[00:15:38]  Tell me your next, your next thing.
[00:15:40]  And I thought, oh, no.
[00:15:42]  Here we go again.
[00:15:44]  And so when I sent her on Monday and I sent her the idea for the book, The Bone Broth Diet, within 30 seconds, I got an email back and it said, we want an exclusive.
[00:15:54]  And I knew, I knew that there was going to be something big with bone broth.
[00:16:00]  So launching nine books, a lot of products.
[00:16:03]  Yeah.

=== Learning From CVS Offers (03:23) ===

[00:16:04]  What experience do you have when things don't go well?
[00:16:07]  For other women out there who are scared to launch their own thing, scared to write a book, you know, what experience do you have when something doesn't go exactly the way you thought and putting yourself out there so publicly?
[00:16:18]  So I don't, you know, so I consider myself to be as positive as one can be.
[00:16:25]  But I want to be really straight about this because I think it's important.
[00:16:29]  Expect the crap to hit the fan.
[00:16:33]  It is such an unpleasant thing a lot of the times because you building a business and building something big is a personal development situation.
[00:16:45]  That's what it is.
[00:16:46]  You are personally developing your skills as you go along.
[00:16:51]  And man, it's hard.
[00:16:54]  And so you're starting to learn how to navigate and how to figure these things out.
[00:16:58]  And how I have been through more than you could imagine.
[00:17:02]  And what you said about putting yourself out there, brutal, brutal.
[00:17:09]  And so, but the thing is, you get really strong and you come into your own grace.
[00:17:17]  So it's that whole thing.
[00:17:18]  It's like you build yourself up into a tiger.
[00:17:21]  You build it.
[00:17:22]  And if you can build it, and here's the game.
[00:17:25]  The game is going through all of that and coming out of it with grace and not coming out of it feeling any bitterness or feeling despair or feeling negative, but coming through it with grace.
[00:17:40]  And that has been the whole trajectory for me through everything, learning, you know, through all these bobs and weaves that I've had to endure that every business person, every entrepreneur does.
[00:17:50]  I'd love to talk to somebody who hasn't because you're learning everything about business and you're learning about negotiation and you're learning about interaction.
[00:17:59]  You're learning about your environment and you're learning about, you know, when you're doing what I did and you're in your basement, you're figuring this stuff out on your own.
[00:18:06]  You're trying to figure out how much product am I supposed to buy?
[00:18:10]  I don't know.
[00:18:11]  I don't know how like the projections.
[00:18:13]  And if I buy this much, am I going to be able to pay the people that work for me?
[00:18:17]  How do I do?
[00:18:18]  And then entering into retail, that was one of the biggest, I would say, smacks that I ever received because all the money I made in the business, I put back in the business.
[00:18:29]  And then I had this offer to go into CVS.
[00:18:32]  And it was vital proteins, bulletproof in myself.
[00:18:36]  And I, all I thought about was, oh my God, I completely got into ego.
[00:18:41]  I'll tell you that right now.
[00:18:42]  I did.
[00:18:42]  I thought, oh, my God, they came to me.
[00:18:44]  They came to me.
[00:18:45]  Here I am, Dr. Kellyanne.
[00:18:46]  I'm in my basement.
[00:18:47]  I'm doing this stuff.
[00:18:48]  CVS came to me.
[00:18:50]  Did I ever learn really quick the skill sets that you need to go into retail and to not have a force behind you and to not, I had no investors, anything at that time.
[00:19:02]  And so that was the first real business education I got.
[00:19:07]  Learning the difference between where do you want to go in your business?
[00:19:10]  How do you project these?
[00:19:11]  What numbers are important?
[00:19:13]  I had to learn about things like, you know, CAGR.
[00:19:17]  I had to learn about things like how much does a customer cost to acquire?
[00:19:22]  You know, how do you do that?
[00:19:23]  People's terms in Chuck Tank as if they're like common when in reality, they're not.

=== Ego And Basement Fasting (09:56) ===

[00:19:27]  They're actually not.
[00:19:28]  Like you have to figure out, like if you put an ad out there, you know, what is your ROAS?
[00:19:33]  What is your return on ad spend?
[00:19:35]  Is that making sense?
[00:19:36]  And what is your retention model?
[00:19:38]  Are you able to retain people?
[00:19:40]  You know, so how do you acquire new people?
[00:19:42]  How do you get the cost that's a measurable cost that makes sense?
[00:19:47]  And how do you retain these people?
[00:19:49]  So it's this loop that you constantly have to do.
[00:19:51]  Plus you're trying to innovate.
[00:19:53]  So if you're in my position and you are the lead talent of your business, and so you're trying to make sure that you're innovating.
[00:20:00]  And to me, innovating always meant solving problems.
[00:20:03]  It was not about jumping on a trend.
[00:20:05]  It's about what problem needs to be solved.
[00:20:08]  And because my feet were on the ground and I was around women and I listened to women for so many years, I felt like I had a different ear.
[00:20:15]  And, you know, bone broth in and of itself was a huge task, Katie, because I couldn't even get anyone to want to call it bone broth.
[00:20:23]  When I first came out with the bone broth diet, the publisher said, well, this is a mint.
[00:20:28]  You can't call it bone broth, though.
[00:20:29]  You know that.
[00:20:30]  That's not sexy.
[00:20:31]  You can't call it bone broth.
[00:20:33]  But it's bone broth.
[00:20:34]  And now it's like a whole thing.
[00:20:35]  Now, when you walked out, so it commercialized.
[00:20:39]  So the PBS special that I had and the book really did start, it ignited a movement for sure.
[00:20:49]  And when you go down to retail, into retail stores and you see it everywhere, and I realized, you know, I guess that was my life's work.
[00:20:57]  That was definitely my life's work, just making consumers and the world aware of an unbelievable way to keep yourself healthy, an unbelievable way to make so many things happen in your life that you don't even think about.
[00:21:12]  So there was a Netflix documentary recently on The Biggest Loser and talking about how important exercise is for your health, right?
[00:21:18]  Or not in that case.
[00:21:20]  But there really wasn't a lot shown on the show about what you eat and what you put into your body.
[00:21:26]  I think there's always that split.
[00:21:27]  It's either an exercise show or a food show.
[00:21:29]  There really isn't something that talks about nutrition.
[00:21:33]  Yeah.
[00:21:33]  And then how to make yourself fit from that, right?
[00:21:36]  The calorie deficit and what goes into that, because you can be very strong, but also not be the healthiest as you talk about because of your gut health.
[00:21:44]  What would be, you know, how do you educate more people as you've done in the bone broth space about the importance of gut nutrition and gut health and your overall what you put in and how it reflects on your body?
[00:21:56]  Well, thanks to platforms that we have now like X, TikTok, TikTok, I cannot believe what I see now.
[00:22:04]  I hear young people talking about longevity devices.
[00:22:10]  I hear them talking about biohacking.
[00:22:12]  I hear them talking about gut health.
[00:22:14]  What was the first time you heard something?
[00:22:16]  You're like, aha, I've been saying this my whole life.
[00:22:18]  Oh my gosh.
[00:22:21]  I was, yeah, I was at a gym and it was a bunch of young women and they were talking about bone broth.
[00:22:30]  And they were talking about, well, you know, I use it because of, you know, I used to get acne.
[00:22:35]  I don't get acne anymore.
[00:22:36]  And then anyway, one of the women in the circle said, well, you know, it's all about gut health.
[00:22:41]  I about drop the dumbbell.
[00:22:45]  But you see, I always want to like insert myself everywhere.
[00:22:48]  I'll give you an example of something that just happened the other day.
[00:22:51]  I was at a place called Cha-Chao Matcha.
[00:22:53]  It's on Madison Avenue here in New York, and I love the matcha there.
[00:22:57]  And so a woman was there with her daughter, and they were ordering this matcha.
[00:23:02]  And so she's like, I mean, this is, this is like you're eating cake.
[00:23:05]  Do you understand this?
[00:23:06]  You can't have it with this.
[00:23:07]  And this has got a lot of sugar in there.
[00:23:09]  And I, you know, sometimes I just can't keep myself contained.
[00:23:15]  So I inserted myself and I said, I just want to let you know, this is probably the matcha that you should order.
[00:23:21]  And I said, you know, let me explain to you.
[00:23:23]  And I went and explained it to, and as I was walking out, she goes, I know you.
[00:23:28]  Where have I heard about you before?
[00:23:30]  And I just said, bone broth.
[00:23:31]  And she went, Dr. Kellyanne.
[00:23:34]  I said, yes, bone broth.
[00:23:36]  And so I can't help but to insert myself in different places when I know just that little bit of information is going to make a big difference.
[00:23:44]  And so when I walk down aisles in grocery stores and when I go to gyms or I go anywhere, it doesn't even have to be a gym.
[00:23:52]  It can be anywhere.
[00:23:53]  Everyone now is talking about health.
[00:23:57]  Everyone.
[00:23:57]  And, you know, a lot of it has to do with Maha.
[00:23:59]  A lot of it has to do with TikTok.
[00:24:01]  A lot of it has to do with X. People feel free to speak.
[00:24:06]  And doctors that functional medicine doctors that really have their pulse because not only do they have that medical background, but they went well beyond, well beyond to talk about and to learn about things that really a lot of people wouldn't put time in.
[00:24:24]  And now we're going through this whole thing that they're going to establish that doctors have to have certain amount of hours in nutrition.
[00:24:31]  I mean, when, have you ever gone to a hospital and sat there with somebody that was sick and you're trying to get them better and you want and the food and the choices.
[00:24:43]  It's terrible in the hospital.
[00:24:44]  We got to get better.
[00:24:46]  We got to get better.
[00:24:47]  Even in the type of ingredients, you know, you go to Italy and it's this old, you know, you know, axiom tenant.
[00:24:54]  Everyone says it all the time.
[00:24:56]  Why can I eat the pasta there?
[00:24:58]  Why can I go to France and eat a croissant?
[00:25:00]  Why can I, you know, we have got to get better and our food freedom will expand.
[00:25:09]  And it's going to make it so much easier for everyone.
[00:25:11]  And now's the time.
[00:25:12]  Everyone's ripe.
[00:25:13]  We literally have people perched now, perched, saying, give me more, give me more.
[00:25:19]  I've never been so popular at dinner parties.
[00:25:23]  Never.
[00:25:23]  Everyone wants to know everything.
[00:25:25]  Oh, what peptide?
[00:25:26]  Peptides?
[00:25:27]  Okay, what are peptides?
[00:25:29]  Are they good?
[00:25:29]  Are they bad?
[00:25:29]  Tell me about peptides.
[00:25:30]  Has collagen always been a thing or is it just a new thing?
[00:25:33]  It's collagen, protein, right?
[00:25:35]  And exercise and that we're all now supposed to be eating.
[00:25:38]  Like, I think Bethany Franklin's something where she's like putting cottage cheese, mixed fitter eggs and making fun of everyone who's like, keeps high proteining, like everything that has protein in it.
[00:25:46]  I will tell you this.
[00:25:47]  Women need to stop focusing so much on salads and they need to focus more on protein.
[00:25:53]  Has that always been the thing or is that like just the latest in the new diet trends?
[00:25:57]  No.
[00:25:57]  And this actually is a requirement of the body because we know so much now about muscle and longevity that it's incredibly important, but it goes further than that because when you're going through perimenopause or menopause, anything like that, your body demands and it requires that heavy load.
[00:26:17]  Do you believe in the weighted vest?
[00:26:19]  I love the weighted vest.
[00:26:22]  Everyone, whoever's listening, whoever's listening, go out and get a weighted vest.
[00:26:26]  I'm telling you, because we need that load.
[00:26:29]  We need that load because we start to, especially as we go on in years, we start to lose that framework that we have.
[00:26:40]  And we got everything in longevity is about building, keeping ourselves upbuilt, upbuild, upbuild.
[00:26:48]  You know, your cells always want to turn over.
[00:26:50]  Your organs, everything, it's all about turnover and regeneration.
[00:26:55]  Keep turning things over.
[00:26:57]  Keep regenerating.
[00:26:58]  And so the weighted vest, as simple as it sounds, it does that for your bone matrix.
[00:27:04]  It helps keep that bone matrix going.
[00:27:07]  So talk about things that are important.
[00:27:08]  Your water.
[00:27:09]  This is not just for set.
[00:27:10]  So you drink how much water in a day with lemons.
[00:27:13]  Do you put collagen in it?
[00:27:16]  So I have a lot of water only because what I've learned, I used to look at all kinds of things under a microscope all the time.
[00:27:23]  And what you want to do is you want to have your, if you think about your internal milieu, your insides, you want to have flowing like a river.
[00:27:33]  You don't want to have cells stuck together like a swamp because so many of the things our body feels, it's because it's dehydrated and you don't want your body to get into a state of dehydration.
[00:27:43]  So I drink a lot of water.
[00:27:44]  I'll drink, you know, a couple of these a day.
[00:27:46]  How much collagen do you put in?
[00:27:48]  I usually put like two scoops of collagen in my water or I put, I have something called lemon sips, which are electrolytes and collagen, all of that.
[00:27:56]  And they're delicious.
[00:27:57]  I throw those in there.
[00:27:59]  I always want a compound.
[00:28:00]  Creatine.
[00:28:02]  So I use creatine.
[00:28:04]  I cycle creatine.
[00:28:06]  So some people love creatine.
[00:28:08]  It's very good for you.
[00:28:09]  It's like topic.
[00:28:09]  Do you think it works as the hot thing right now?
[00:28:12]  I think it's effective.
[00:28:13]  I think people use it for everything from muscle building to recovery.
[00:28:18]  Even people, I hear using it for things like travel.
[00:28:23]  It makes traveling a lot easier because when you're going in different time zones, it helps a lot.
[00:28:28]  So people are using it for jet lab, all kinds of things.
[00:28:31]  For me, I cycle it.
[00:28:33]  So I'll do it for a couple of days and then I'll take a couple of days off and I'll do it for a couple of days.
[00:28:38]  So I'm not on the everyday regular with that, but a lot of people are and they love it.
[00:28:44]  Do you think it makes you bloat?
[00:28:46]  I think it depends.
[00:28:47]  So this is the question.
[00:28:49]  So some people think it does.
[00:28:51]  Some people think it doesn't.
[00:28:53]  And from the education I'm learning is that it depends on the type of product you use.
[00:28:59]  And so for me, it does a little bit.
[00:29:01]  It does a little.
[00:29:02]  And that's why I cycle it.
[00:29:04]  And when I cycle it, it's fine.
[00:29:06]  It works great.
[00:29:07]  And I know that everyone that takes it that I know, and I know all the, you know, the functional medicine docs that love it, they do feel a lot better when they take it.
[00:29:16]  Energy.
[00:29:16]  They feel a lot more energy.
[00:29:18]  So.
[00:29:19]  So in terms of your water, when you're out and about, do you only search for a glass bottled water?
[00:29:23]  Do you drink plastic bottled water?

=== Cycling Collagen In Water (05:02) ===

[00:29:24]  What do you do?
[00:29:26]  Glass is so important.
[00:29:27]  We know this because the microplastics and we're learning about this.
[00:29:30]  I'm not 100%.
[00:29:32]  Okay.
[00:29:33]  Because sometimes I'll grab plastic if I have to grab plastic.
[00:29:37]  But I also carry around this thermos thing that I have that's steel and stainless steel.
[00:29:44]  And I'll use that and I'll just carry that around with me a lot so I don't have to grab the plastic.
[00:29:49]  So the plastic is only when my back's against the wall.
[00:29:54]  But we have to somehow, you just have to be conscious about it.
[00:29:57]  You have to consciously say, I know that there's a lot of microplastics in this and I have to cut back.
[00:30:03]  And so for me, I can't be crazy all the time.
[00:30:06]  I can't because sometimes it's more important for me to get the liquid, to get the fluids.
[00:30:12]  But I just am conscious about it.
[00:30:14]  And I think that's the important thing, Katie, is that just to have that awareness that whenever I can, I got to cut back on that.
[00:30:21]  At what point in your career did you have your two boys?
[00:30:24]  I have two boys.
[00:30:25]  At what point did you have them?
[00:30:27]  I had them early on in my career, but I had them right before everything kind of hit.
[00:30:34]  So when everything kind of hit with the bone broth diet and all of that and writing the books, they were very young.
[00:30:39]  So there were baseball games to be missed.
[00:30:42]  So I had them.
[00:30:43]  So that balancing, that balancing act is definitely, it was definitely something that weighs, I think, on a lot of moms.
[00:30:51]  It did me.
[00:30:52]  Does it still weigh on you?
[00:30:53]  Yeah, it does a little bit.
[00:30:55]  But here's what I've learned.
[00:30:56]  I have two outstanding young men.
[00:31:01]  And my example of I sat my kids down one day and I said, look, guys, I know that I'm working a lot and, you know, I'm always going to be there for you.
[00:31:11]  And you're always going to be able to get in touch with me at every minute, but your mom's going for it.
[00:31:15]  And I told them straight up that I want to squeeze all my purpose and I'm going for it in life.
[00:31:20]  And you have a front seat at watching someone in life that's going to go for it.
[00:31:26]  And I will tell you that has always been my reason why I push through a lot of hardships in business because failure is not an option.
[00:31:35]  It's not an option.
[00:31:36]  And if I do fail, it's going to be temporary because I'm going to get right back up and I'm going to go because I want them to see that trend of entrepreneurialism and I want them to see it in the most positive light that I can.
[00:31:49]  So I'm going to do whatever I can.
[00:31:51]  Do they eat healthy now and subscribe to a lot of what you subscribe to?
[00:31:56]  Yes.
[00:31:57]  And the lead by example thing really is the way to go.
[00:32:01]  They saw me always eating well.
[00:32:03]  It was always offered on the table.
[00:32:05]  And the one thing that my family did right is my kids always did have dinner.
[00:32:10]  They always did have a dinner.
[00:32:12]  And I do think if there's one thing, if I was going to look at all of the trials and tribulations of parenthood, that was one thing that was very important.
[00:32:23]  And it wasn't always me at the table, but they always had a dinner.
[00:32:27]  And I'm really happy I did that.
[00:32:30]  That's one thing I feel real, because I see them in their choices now.
[00:32:32]  They care.
[00:32:33]  They care a lot about what they eat.
[00:32:36]  And they're really healthy and successful young men because of that.
[00:32:40]  And they're good people.
[00:32:41]  They're good people, Katie.
[00:32:42]  That's a thing.
[00:32:43]  It's hard to raise good people.
[00:32:45]  Okay.
[00:32:45]  I'm so glad you said that because you got a lot of variables today.
[00:32:50]  It's not like it used to be.
[00:32:51]  And I remember someone saying, well, you know, I just don't let my son have the computer in his room.
[00:32:57]  It's in a, it's in the, it's in the hallway.
[00:32:59]  And now you have YouTube TV.
[00:33:01]  Now forget about it.
[00:33:03]  You stand no chance.
[00:33:04]  There's a lot of operatives that are, you know, that are, that are in the mark.
[00:33:09]  So there's a lot of teachers, a lot of other influences on kids' lives now, even with social media.
[00:33:14]  A lot of influences.
[00:33:15]  So you just have to lead with, you know, lead by example and do the best you can.
[00:33:19]  But I think having kids watch someone that was very purposeful, very driven.
[00:33:24]  And I make no mistake about I'm a very ambitious person.
[00:33:28]  I'm very ambitious and I cannot change that.
[00:33:31]  That is who I am.
[00:33:32]  And just like I had an ambition to be the best mom that I could be, I have an ambition to make an impact on the world with health.
[00:33:41]  And you had said earlier, you know, how does it feel to be an OG out there and seeing everything you espoused years ago, 30 years ago, now it's actually coming into play.
[00:33:52]  And the reason why I was able to fight that stream is because I really believe in what I'm talking about.
[00:34:01]  And I walk the talk.
[00:34:03]  And I know how important this is.
[00:34:08]  And this is just a mission that I have to make sure that I help people understand lifestyle is everything and life can still be good and rich and wholesome and beautiful, even though, even though you know all of this.
[00:34:24]  So you said you've been doing this for 30 years, right?

=== Rating Fad Diet Trends (09:59) ===

[00:34:27]  27.
[00:34:28]  27.
[00:34:28]  So diet and fitness trends definitely, you've seen them come and go and come.
[00:34:32]  Right.
[00:34:33]  Right now it's all protein, creatine, weighted best walking.
[00:34:37]  Okay.
[00:34:37]  Rate the diet and fad trends over the last, the fad diet trends over the last 20 years.
[00:34:43]  Okay.
[00:34:44]  Keto.
[00:34:45]  I would say keto is a seven.
[00:34:47]  Why?
[00:34:48]  So one to 10, right?
[00:34:49]  So one being terrible, 10 being or one.
[00:34:52]  What's wrong with keto diet?
[00:34:53]  I don't think keto is for everyone.
[00:34:55]  And I don't think it's necessarily long term.
[00:34:57]  And you're going to hear a lot of people say, but this happened to me on that diet.
[00:35:00]  And this, that's great because we have to kick in the metabolism.
[00:35:04]  We're only as good as our metabolism.
[00:35:06]  So many of the things and many of the choices that we do are metabolism based.
[00:35:11]  So that diet will help kick some people into the right fat burning.
[00:35:17]  Awesome.
[00:35:18]  Wonderful.
[00:35:18]  But for a woman who's going through a lot of hormonal issues, it may not be the best.
[00:35:23]  Just like CrossFit and box jumping and wall balls and everything else may not be the best for somebody who is in adrenal, has adrenal issues.
[00:35:33]  Paleo.
[00:35:34]  10.
[00:35:35]  Intermittent fasting.
[00:35:37]  It depends.
[00:35:38]  I would say that's an eight.
[00:35:40]  Atkins diet.
[00:35:42]  I would say that's, you know, pork rinds.
[00:35:44]  And I would say that's a six.
[00:35:47]  Do you think people should still do it?
[00:35:49]  I think that there are benefits to parts of the diet.
[00:35:53]  And it did get people protein-centric.
[00:35:57]  Okay.
[00:35:57]  So there are other things, just like with bone broth or anything else, you have to realize they're taking out a lot of junk that harmed them.
[00:36:05]  There's, you know, what was a diet that was eat right for your body type?
[00:36:08]  And, you know, there was all this acclaim about they broke down your blood type, whether you were a B positive or an A.
[00:36:15]  And I say there's benefits to everything because it got people off a lot of grains.
[00:36:21]  So.
[00:36:22]  Veganism.
[00:36:24]  I'm not a fan.
[00:36:26]  And here's why I'm not a fan.
[00:36:29]  Because when I used to do a lot of blood work and I used to see the blood work of vegan versus people who had a more sustainable type of diet, or I should say they included more variety of foods, their blood work was better.
[00:36:45]  And by the way, I just want to let you know that I went through every trend myself.
[00:36:51]  I did it all.
[00:36:52]  I did it all.
[00:36:52]  I mean, I was doing spray vitamins back in the day.
[00:36:55]  What's the best one?
[00:36:56]  For me, I like a paleo-ish diet.
[00:37:00]  I like, there's a lot of advantages of like a paleo-ish Mediterranean.
[00:37:03]  What's the worst one?
[00:37:05]  I would say the worst one of all, low fat, the low fat trend is probably the- What's the worst product you purchased that you're like, this wasn't worth it?
[00:37:14]  Overall, like beauty, health, like all of it.
[00:37:19]  That's a great question.
[00:37:20]  That is a great question because I've purchased so many bombs in my life.
[00:37:25]  I've purchased so many bombs.
[00:37:28]  I would say the worst thing that I've ever purchased, and I, my gosh.
[00:37:34]  So there, you know, there's a lot of advantages to like oxygen chambers and people go.
[00:37:41]  So I got one of those oxygen chambers that you kind of zip.
[00:37:45]  This was way, but this is like a thing.
[00:37:48]  The hard chamber.
[00:37:49]  Before like Kylie Jenner was hopping in her oxygen chamber.
[00:37:52]  Yes, yes.
[00:37:52]  So I got one of those.
[00:37:53]  So I thought I'm in on this and I'm going to get one that you zip.
[00:37:56]  Yeah.
[00:37:57]  And boy, I could not, that was the worst thing ever.
[00:37:59]  I felt like I was having a panic attack the entire time.
[00:38:02]  Whatever benefits I got from oxygen, it wasn't worth it.
[00:38:05]  Okay, we're going to finish writing these fad diets.
[00:38:06]  Ready?
[00:38:07]  Yeah.
[00:38:07]  Weight watchers.
[00:38:09]  Oh, gosh.
[00:38:09]  I would say six.
[00:38:11]  South Beach diet.
[00:38:13]  Seven.
[00:38:16]  Juice cleanse.
[00:38:19]  Two, one, two, one, two.
[00:38:21]  You don't think they work?
[00:38:22]  I think they're okay very temporarily.
[00:38:24]  They are more like an antioxidant, but they don't have fiber in them.
[00:38:28]  And you need protein.
[00:38:29]  You absolutely need protein.
[00:38:31]  Pole 30.
[00:38:32]  I love whole 30.
[00:38:33]  I think whole 30 is, I would give that a nine.
[00:38:38]  I don't know if people can sustain it all the time.
[00:38:41]  So I would say a nine just because it's hard to stay on forever and ever.
[00:38:46]  Growing up, what kind of doctor did you take your kids to?
[00:38:49]  And what kind of doctor do you see yourself?
[00:38:52]  I see myself as a doctor.
[00:38:55]  Just think of me like a family doctor.
[00:38:57]  But if you come into me and you have a sleep issue, I am not going to give you a prescription to help you sleep.
[00:39:02]  You better going to a doctor for yourself?
[00:39:04]  I do.
[00:39:05]  And what kind of doctor do you busy?
[00:39:06]  Functional medicine doctor.
[00:39:08]  And so a functional medicine doctor, I love these doctors.
[00:39:11]  You and I were talking about like Dr. Hyman earlier.
[00:39:14]  And Dr. Hyman was the one who really established this field in and of itself.
[00:39:19]  And so functional medicine doctors are, again, people who really understand the body very well, but they understand the natural side of the body.
[00:39:27]  So it's more complimentary because we have to put all of this in sight and in order.
[00:39:32]  If you know, you get banged up and you're in an auto accident, of course, you're going to go to doctors who fix you in a certain way.
[00:39:39]  If you have a preemie baby, those neonatal doctors are unbelievable.
[00:39:45]  So it's all a matter of spec.
[00:39:47]  So if I want wellness, the people to go to for wellness understand the complementary side of things.
[00:39:54]  Well, I asked because we're talking a lot about gut health, right?
[00:39:56]  And so one of the first line treatments for a lot of illnesses these days are antibiotics, which, as you know, wipe out your entire gut microbiome.
[00:40:04]  Yes.
[00:40:04]  So what do you do to prevent getting that first as a first line of treatment?
[00:40:09]  And are the doctors that you're seeing not doing that first?
[00:40:12]  They're not doing that first.
[00:40:14]  And so the whole thing is creating that soil in your body that we talked about because your body is very interesting because you have all these bacteria in your body.
[00:40:23]  We know it's good and bad.
[00:40:24]  But there's also many, many different types of that bacteria.
[00:40:28]  And that's what you want to make sure that you keep fertilized, that you have all of these different and various types of bacteria.
[00:40:36]  You have them really alive and well.
[00:40:38]  So having prebiotics, having postbiotics in your diet.
[00:40:43]  Are you taking supplements or what are like the three best foods for your gut health besides bone broth?
[00:40:47]  I'd say, well, you know, I'm going to say bone broth because I love bone broth because it's got the gelatin in there.
[00:40:52]  And the gelatin is incredible and there's no better source.
[00:40:55]  I also like anything that has that fermentation to it is very good for gut health.
[00:41:01]  So things like kimchi and sauerkraut and all of that are very good for gut health.
[00:41:08]  But I think one of the most important things that you can do is just not eat a lot of food labels, not eat a lot of processed foods because the processed foods really do damage that gut lining.
[00:41:19]  Understand that the gut lining is very thin.
[00:41:22]  And because that gut lining is thin, it's easy to damage.
[00:41:27]  And that's why we have to constantly put that spackle in there and eat those proper foods.
[00:41:32]  And again, so things like proteins and things like the vegetables that are all different colors of vegetables, they help the diversity of the gut.
[00:41:41]  And we know that that diversity makes a big difference.
[00:41:44]  So eating things like really high quality proteins, high quality fats, understanding that vegetables kind of had two levels to them.
[00:41:53]  There's all of the green stuff, which is the fiber that helps move things so you're cleansed and not clogged.
[00:41:59]  And then having the more starchy vegetables, things like, you know, sweet potatoes and so forth, things that have more density to them.
[00:42:06]  I love black rice and things like that, that give you energy.
[00:42:10]  So there's energy carbohydrates, there's fibrous carbohydrates, there's the healthy fats, and there's proteins, nuts and seeds, and berries.
[00:42:18]  These are the best things that you can eat for your gut health.
[00:42:22]  So Dr. Kellyanne, what do you eat in a day?
[00:42:26]  So for me, I eat a lot of proteins.
[00:42:31]  And a lot of those proteins, because I'm busy all the time, you're going to laugh, but I love canned fish.
[00:42:38]  I love different things like I like sardines and I actually put them on a skillet and I make sardines on a skillet.
[00:42:45]  And it's actually delicious and it's the best thing for your skin.
[00:42:48]  I promise you, you will feel so good.
[00:42:50]  And it's a freaky thing.
[00:42:51]  I know.
[00:42:52]  I'm going to get so bad.
[00:42:54]  So with little kids these days, right?
[00:42:56]  The new trend is baby lead weaning, right?
[00:42:58]  Where at six months old, instead of giving your kid purees, you give them whole foods that they can like mush in their mouth.
[00:43:03]  And one of the best things is sardines for them.
[00:43:06]  So I've cleaned a lot of sardines.
[00:43:08]  Okay, so you're doing this.
[00:43:09]  I'm going to use the sink and I gag.
[00:43:12]  I can't, I can't.
[00:43:13]  I cannot.
[00:43:14]  My husband will eat the sardines.
[00:43:16]  I won't even like clean up the day that we serve sardines.
[00:43:19]  Oh, when I hear that somebody will actually try and eat these and put them over the canilla and make it, your kids love them?
[00:43:27]  Love them.
[00:43:28]  Love sardines.
[00:43:29]  You know what my kids' first food was?
[00:43:31]  What?
[00:43:31]  Avocado.
[00:43:32]  Yeah, it's mushy.
[00:43:33]  Yeah, it's the first thing.
[00:43:34]  There was a book out back and gosh, this book was so good.
[00:43:38]  And it talked about whole foods and it talked about what they're talking about now, but people thought cereals were the best thing.
[00:43:44]  Yeah.
[00:43:44]  Cereal cereals.
[00:43:46]  Yes.
[00:43:47]  Yes.
[00:43:48]  So I love that you're doing this with your kids.
[00:43:51]  This is the best thing I've ever heard.
[00:43:52]  So in the morning, what do you make for breakfast?
[00:43:54]  So in the morning, a lot of times I'll fast and I'll have a matcha and the matcha, a lot of times I make it myself.
[00:44:03]  And so I have the milk in there from the matcha and that's usually enough to sustain me.
[00:44:08]  Whole milk, oat milk, I use like this called three trees or I use an almond milk, but it has to be, I mean, yes, got to be no carragean in it, no, no additives, no gourgum, none of that stuff.
[00:44:22]  So that's the big thing with, by the way, these nut milks, people don't realize.
[00:44:25]  They have a lot of gums.

=== Morning Matcha Rituals (14:43) ===

[00:44:26]  They have a lot of gums and you have to be careful.
[00:44:29]  That's why you can't just go out and get these coffee and these drinks all the time anywhere you want.
[00:44:34]  You cannot.
[00:44:34]  You have to be fastidious about this because they're filled with junk.
[00:44:38]  And again, your body can land anywhere.
[00:44:41]  I'm telling you, your body can handle so much.
[00:44:44]  Our innate is so powerful and so strong, but it's what you do every day that determines your health.
[00:44:50]  So if you are going to a coffee shop every day and you're getting these gums and you're getting these milks that aren't great, it's going to, it's going to crush you because here's what I've learned in all of my years, that health comes down to a couple of very basic things.
[00:45:04]  If you were to put all of my patients in a football field and you said, okay, what helped them?
[00:45:09]  What actually moved the needle?
[00:45:11]  It was having gut health restored.
[00:45:14]  It was getting that systemic inflammation down.
[00:45:18]  And it was teaching them how to be a natural fat burner.
[00:45:22]  In other words, really having your blood sugar in check, in order, very healthy, insulin sensitivity.
[00:45:30]  So those are the three, to me, the big markers.
[00:45:35]  And there's things that you can do every day that are going to make a difference.
[00:45:38]  Do you believe vaccines negatively affect your gut health?
[00:45:41]  I think should you vaccinate, I think you have to just be aware that, okay, like any kind of intervention, medicine, anything, there's always consequence to medicine.
[00:45:56]  There just is.
[00:45:57]  And so you just have to think, okay, I had this shot.
[00:46:00]  So I'm going to go forward and I'm going to make sure that I really take special care to make sure my gut health is in order after this.
[00:46:09]  There's a lot of things that damage the gut.
[00:46:12]  There's a lot of things, even our emotions, even getting upset and being stressed out all the time, not having sleep, not having enough sleep.
[00:46:20]  It's not just about food.
[00:46:21]  So much of this is about emotional regulation and keeping your emotions regulated, which is very hard to do, especially when you have kids your age.
[00:46:31]  Yeah.
[00:46:32]  So you've been called a pioneer in the beauty from within movement.
[00:46:37]  So what do you think it is that most negatively affects your skin?
[00:46:41]  Is it what you eat?
[00:46:42]  Is it this emotional dysregulation?
[00:46:45]  I think any kind of hormonal dysregulation is going to affect your skin.
[00:46:53]  I think really the rancid oils, eating oils that are not healthy, make a big impact on your skin.
[00:47:01]  What a difference it makes when you step away.
[00:47:05]  Is it fast food or is it like specific oils that you're referring to?
[00:47:09]  I think even the everyday oils that we use, the sunflower, the safflower, the canola, canola is used so readily everywhere.
[00:47:16]  Even major grocery stores that claim to be healthy and all their prepared foods, a lot of them use canola oil.
[00:47:23]  But I think a very big difference in skin.
[00:47:26]  I think Whole Foods Sourdough has seed oils.
[00:47:30]  Yes, bingo.
[00:47:32]  Bingo.
[00:47:33]  And then for people that, see, the thing about gut health is that you've got to really get it restored.
[00:47:38]  And once you get restored, you have more levity in the things that you can eat.
[00:47:44]  Even people with gut health, I've noticed that if they steam their vegetables while they're getting their gut health restored, it's much, much easier on the system than having raw vegetables.
[00:47:55]  So there's just a, there's just a play.
[00:47:58]  It's a time thing with gut health.
[00:48:00]  And it just takes a little bit of time.
[00:48:02]  But as you go along, you say, you know what, I'm going to have, I'm going to put kimchi in my refrigerator.
[00:48:08]  And if I have eggs, I'm going to have kimchi with eggs every day or just one thing, sauerkraut, whatever it is.
[00:48:14]  Little bit.
[00:48:14]  You want something fermented on your.
[00:48:16]  Oh, so I have, right, this morning I had actually, because I wanted my brain function to be really high, I had hard-boiled eggs.
[00:48:23]  And I had a couple of hard-boiled eggs, which are, to me, they make my brain really function well.
[00:48:30]  And so you, you learn what works best for you, even before interviews and before you learn what makes your body really there, like in the state.
[00:48:41]  What's your skincare routine?
[00:48:43]  My skincare routine is I clean my face every day.
[00:48:46]  With what?
[00:48:47]  So I have, there's a brand that I absolutely love.
[00:48:52]  It's called Biologique.
[00:48:56]  And it's a toner that I use.
[00:48:58]  And I love their toner.
[00:49:00]  And I love to wash my face with this.
[00:49:03]  It's called Yanka.
[00:49:05]  And I've used it for many years.
[00:49:07]  And it's a really kind of mild cleanser that I use.
[00:49:10]  And then on my skin, I use a serum.
[00:49:15]  I use different kind of serums.
[00:49:16]  Hyaluronic acid?
[00:49:18]  I do.
[00:49:18]  I love hyaluronic acid.
[00:49:20]  To me, I place so much less emphasis on the topics, topical.
[00:49:25]  I use a lot of red light therapy.
[00:49:27]  I do a lot like this.
[00:49:28]  I just went into this machine this past weekend.
[00:49:31]  I tried it.
[00:49:31]  It was great.
[00:49:32]  It was a machine that you lay in and they have red lights and they have all this vibratory things.
[00:49:37]  Do you believe that really works?
[00:49:39]  I definitely felt better.
[00:49:40]  I was fatigued and I felt better.
[00:49:43]  It definitely felt better.
[00:49:45]  Is that just like a mental thing?
[00:49:46]  Because I always think this after like a treatment or something like red light, like is it actually working or is it just like my brain thinks it's actually working?
[00:49:53]  Well, I think that helps if your brain thinks it's working, but I do think that these things tend to be restorative to the cells.
[00:49:58]  I do think that they're restorative to the cells.
[00:50:01]  Do you wash your face in the morning and the evening?
[00:50:03]  I only wash it once a day because that's what works best for me.
[00:50:07]  So I'll wash my face.
[00:50:09]  I'll use the cleanser.
[00:50:10]  I'll use a cleanser on my skin.
[00:50:13]  Then I'll use a serum and then I use a moisturizer and I keep it very quick and easy and I don't go through a whole lot.
[00:50:21]  I use Valmont a lot of times.
[00:50:24]  There's a moisturizer called Valmont that I like.
[00:50:27]  It's very fresh and it's very light and I'll use that on my skin.
[00:50:32]  I switch on and off a lot.
[00:50:34]  I don't have one tried and true where I say this is absolutely the only thing that I'll keep iterating.
[00:50:39]  Yeah, I keep iterating.
[00:50:40]  And then there's my friend, Nicole Brill.
[00:50:44]  She has a vitamin C line.
[00:50:46]  She actually created it for Melania.
[00:50:48]  And it's a vitamin C line that I use sometimes.
[00:50:51]  It's like scrubs and different things.
[00:50:52]  She makes them herself.
[00:50:54]  So I'll use that.
[00:50:55]  But I'm always in the flow.
[00:50:58]  I'm always trying the next best thing.
[00:50:59]  I am.
[00:51:00]  And I really do believe so much of skincare has to do with what you eat and how you live and how you think and all of that kind of stuff that I don't get too obsessed.
[00:51:10]  I agree.
[00:51:10]  I use a dove bar of soap.
[00:51:12]  Yeah.
[00:51:12]  I'm not exactly like the poster child.
[00:51:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:51:15]  So that's exactly.
[00:51:16]  It's like, but you're out in the world and you're positive and you're talking and you're engaging and you have a healthy family life, a healthy situation with your husband.
[00:51:25]  All of that, I can't even, there's no, there's no way around the fact that when your cells feel that kind of, like that kind of joy and that kind of, it, it trumps everything.
[00:51:39]  So do you believe in like spending a ton of money on skincare if it's more about, I would say, your gut microbiome and your general emotional regulation?
[00:51:48]  I'd say you can buy really good grocery store brands or drugstore brands.
[00:51:53]  You absolutely can meet every need that you have in a drugstore.
[00:51:58]  I just believe that.
[00:51:58]  And so people send me things or I might get something.
[00:52:03]  And again, you know, I'm a lot older than you are.
[00:52:06]  So I feel like as we get older, maybe our needs do, you know, our needs will change.
[00:52:11]  So maybe I need something a little richer than I used to have or a little bit different on the skin.
[00:52:17]  So I go high low.
[00:52:18]  So if I want to buy something luxurious, I'll buy something luxurious.
[00:52:22]  And I do once in a while.
[00:52:23]  But I firmly believe every need you meet that you need can be in the sky.
[00:52:27]  Do you believe in the 80-20 rule versus what you eat?
[00:52:30]  I do believe in the 80-20 rule.
[00:52:32]  I think it's very important.
[00:52:33]  I think that your body can be adaptive.
[00:52:36]  And we don't, see, here's the thing.
[00:52:38]  Once we start getting really obsessive, it defeats every purpose.
[00:52:43]  And I've seen this in young women so many times.
[00:52:48]  It's actually a clinical diagnosis when you become so wrapped around every single thing you eat.
[00:52:54]  It's just not pleasant.
[00:52:55]  When's the last time you ate fast food?
[00:52:57]  I was 30 years old.
[00:52:59]  Really?
[00:53:00]  You haven't had like McDonald's french fries since?
[00:53:02]  No.
[00:53:04]  I just have no interest.
[00:53:06]  After my, when I was in school, I was- Do you Uber Eat?
[00:53:09]  Yes, I Uber Eat all the time.
[00:53:11]  I Uber Eat all the time.
[00:53:12]  Just not McDonald's.
[00:53:13]  I just don't eat McDonald's.
[00:53:15]  I'll get different things.
[00:53:16]  There's a place called Dig here.
[00:53:17]  It's like paleo.
[00:53:18]  They still use seed oils, though.
[00:53:20]  Yeah, they're not perfect.
[00:53:22]  It's very, very difficult.
[00:53:23]  So this is where you have to understand.
[00:53:25]  This is what everyone has to know.
[00:53:27]  It's what you put in your, your habits.
[00:53:29]  It's your habits that make a difference.
[00:53:31]  I can order from a restaurant and have some seed oils in there.
[00:53:35]  My body will survive.
[00:53:37]  I can go out to a restaurant and I'm not going to freak out because it's now if I go to, if I have a dinner party at a restaurant, which I often do, I will say, please don't use seed oils in what you cook for my guests tonight.
[00:53:48]  I can do that.
[00:53:49]  But if I'm going out to, I'm not going to freak out because there's seed oils.
[00:53:54]  I just, I just can't.
[00:53:55]  But I'm aware.
[00:53:56]  The whole thing is to be aware and don't put it in your daily beat.
[00:54:01]  So in every podcast episode so far, we've played Would You Rather?
[00:54:05]  Oh, I love games.
[00:54:07]  Okay.
[00:54:08]  Would you rather look 20 years younger, but feel your current age or feel 20 years younger but look your current age?
[00:54:14]  Feel.
[00:54:14]  100% feel.
[00:54:16]  Feel.
[00:54:17]  Would you rather drink bone broth?
[00:54:18]  Both?
[00:54:19]  Can I pick both?
[00:54:20]  No.
[00:54:20]  Okay.
[00:54:21]  Just thought I'd ask.
[00:54:23]  Would you rather drink bone broth in your morning coffee or eat bone broth flavored ice cream?
[00:54:27]  Oh, ice cream all day, every day.
[00:54:29]  Can it be coconut ice cream?
[00:54:31]  No, bone broth ice cream.
[00:54:32]  Oh, so it's bone broth flavored.
[00:54:34]  Would you rather have bone broth in your coffee in the morning?
[00:54:37]  Coffee in my morning.
[00:54:38]  Or bone broth flavored ice cream.
[00:54:40]  Okay, I'm going to go for coffee.
[00:54:41]  It's a tongue twister.
[00:54:42]  Yeah, it's a tongue twister.
[00:54:44]  Would you rather invent the next superfood or discover the real fountain of youth?
[00:54:50]  Fountain of youth.
[00:54:52]  Would you rather have your favorite meal cooked for you every day or never have to do another workout again?
[00:54:58]  Oh man.
[00:55:00]  Now that you took that took some thought.
[00:55:03]  Come on now.
[00:55:05]  I would actually love to have a meal cook for my meals cooked for me.
[00:55:08]  That's a, I am telling you that is a dream.
[00:55:10]  Do you hear that?
[00:55:11]  Dream.
[00:55:12]  It's a dream.
[00:55:12]  It's a luxury.
[00:55:15]  Would you rather always have to carry a giant pot of bone broth everywhere you go or only wear gym clothes to every event?
[00:55:24]  I'm bringing that pot of bone broth and I'm singing the gospel everywhere I go.
[00:55:28]  Try and stop me.
[00:55:29]  Nobody can shut me up.
[00:55:32]  Did you make your first bone broth yourself?
[00:55:34]  I did.
[00:55:34]  How many tries did it get to make it perfect?
[00:55:37]  Well, I was really freaked out when I first made it because remember, no, like there was none in the store.
[00:55:41]  There was nothing.
[00:55:42]  So I was like, totally, this is rogue.
[00:55:46]  All of the fat that rises to the top, which we know now is gorgeous, but that film freaked me out.
[00:55:52]  So it took a couple of trials before I realized, but when my skin started responding and did your kids say enough bone broth at one point?
[00:55:59]  Enough is enough.
[00:56:00]  They're like, you know, I got a couple of eye rolls.
[00:56:03]  I'm not going to lie.
[00:56:05]  I definitely got eye rolls growing up.
[00:56:07]  But now, you know, that's what I'm saying with your kids.
[00:56:09]  Like you got to stick to it, be you and just make sure everything is in order and a well-oiled machine because now they're so proud.
[00:56:17]  What's your guilty pleasure food that might surprise people?
[00:56:22]  My guilty pleasure food.
[00:56:24]  I love cookies.
[00:56:25]  I like real sugar.
[00:56:27]  Grain-free.
[00:56:28]  Okay.
[00:56:29]  Okay.
[00:56:29]  I have to be honest.
[00:56:30]  I mean, I love cookies, but it's the, you know, the grain-free ones I love.
[00:56:34]  The pre-packaged ones?
[00:56:35]  I do.
[00:56:35]  I like the pre, there's a ton of brands, but they're, but the big thing for me is like, I haven't had gluten in years and years and years and years because it does not, it makes me exhausted.
[00:56:45]  And I know a lot of people feel like, you know, eat everything.
[00:56:48]  Do you, do you eat einkorn?
[00:56:50]  I do.
[00:56:51]  I do.
[00:56:52]  So I just have to be very careful about grains for me.
[00:56:57]  And once your gut is healed, you really can handle a lot more of that.
[00:57:01]  A lot of the reason why people can't handle the grains is because of the type of grains we use and because their gut health isn't in order.
[00:57:07]  And even though my gut health is in prime order, I still can feel the impact.
[00:57:12]  It just makes me tired.
[00:57:13]  I just know it's not right for me.
[00:57:14]  So when you, when you cook with flour or do you not at all?
[00:57:17]  I use alternative flours.
[00:57:19]  I use things like arrowroot.
[00:57:21]  I'll use maybe coconut flour.
[00:57:23]  I'll use other things, other things.
[00:57:25]  And I used to bake a lot more when my kids were small.
[00:57:28]  I baked all the time.
[00:57:29]  And I put it in one of my cookbooks.
[00:57:31]  It's called, oh my God, chocolate chip cookies.
[00:57:33]  And it was a blend of alternative flours with chocolate, you know, chocolate chips.
[00:57:37]  And it's delicious.
[00:57:38]  It's really, really good.
[00:57:39]  My kids love them.
[00:57:40]  They're good.
[00:57:41]  So there's ways around it.
[00:57:42]  So, but if I see, if I'm in the grocery store and it's, it's grain-free, it's gluten-free and it has a few ingredients, you know, I'm a sucker for it.
[00:57:52]  So you're not allergic to gluten.
[00:57:53]  It's just a preference based on gut health?
[00:57:55]  I'm not allergic.
[00:57:55]  It's just a preference because a lot of those grains are hard on the gut.
[00:58:00]  I am always thinking about gut health.
[00:58:03]  Like, but it's not an obsession.
[00:58:06]  It's more like it's so a part of who I am now.
[00:58:08]  I'm so tuned to it that I know.
[00:58:11]  It's second nature that I'm on autopilot.
[00:58:14]  So if you were a mom making food for your children, would you pick Einkorn, which is that most ancestral grain now that they're selling?
[00:58:20]  I don't know if it's just a marketing ploy, but I'm certainly buying it.
[00:58:22]  Yeah, it's definitely ancestral.
[00:58:24]  Or do you buy a grain-free option?
[00:58:26]  Do you buy the coconut flour, almond flour?
[00:58:29]  For kids, it really, it would depend on the kid to me.
[00:58:33]  It would depend probably both, but it would depend on the kids to me.
[00:58:38]  Are there learning disabilities?
[00:58:39]  Are they, do they have, do they have any patterns that I need to know about that would make a difference in my decision?
[00:58:46]  So for every mom, it's very subjective.
[00:58:49]  It's very subjective, but a little bit, I think for kids, kids can handle a lot.
[00:58:54]  And, you know, I call it the cupcake theory.
[00:58:56]  Like they go to school and everybody's birthday.
[00:58:59]  There's a cupcake, and there's dominoes, pizza and there's dominoes.
[00:59:02]  There's the pizza and the cupcake theory.
[00:59:05]  I don't know why we're doing that, though.
[00:59:06]  What that's, it's unbelievable to me.

=== Pizza Cupcake Party Theory (02:56) ===

[00:59:10]  And it's still going on right yeah yeah, still going.
[00:59:12]  Every party has the same food.
[00:59:15]  There's a Next Maha movement.
[00:59:16]  How do we get the cupcakes out of the classroom?
[00:59:19]  But still have joy, still let them feel joy, because this is all anchoring, this is all psych psychology.
[00:59:24]  It's all psychology.
[00:59:26]  Yes, so you got to do a replacement act.
[00:59:31]  What's one wellness trend you wish would just go away?
[00:59:36]  A wellness trend that I wish would go away?
[00:59:39]  Um, my god, you're asking really good questions Katie, thank you.
[00:59:43]  Well done, thank you.
[00:59:44]  I mean, i'm getting tripped up, I I interview all the time.
[00:59:48]  Um, so a wellness trend that I wish would go away?
[00:59:52]  Oh, my gosh, i'm so into all the wellness trends that are out there right now.
[00:59:57]  We can go back in time.
[00:59:59]  Oh, go back in time, because I feel like now it's finally like what you've been saying, your whole career has come to fruition, right?
[01:00:05]  Oh, you have no idea, it's unbelievable.
[01:00:08]  So I just think that a lot of the, the drinks the the the.
[01:00:12]  For me, the thing that got me was like all the cokes and the pepsis and the.
[01:00:18]  The crystal light is now a big thing.
[01:00:21]  And now Celsius?
[01:00:22]  These are bad news, people.
[01:00:24]  They're bad news.
[01:00:25]  I remember I had one patient that came in and I looked at his phase, his phasic angle, which is it's a measurement of the cell, but it basically tells me how hydrated they are, and he said, well, I don't know what you mean, dr Kellyan, I drink a lot.
[01:00:38]  I said, well, tell me what you drink.
[01:00:40]  And he said I drink like two big pictures of crystal light every day, and so he thought he was doing the right thing.
[01:00:47]  So I think we're wiping that out.
[01:00:49]  So a wellness trend is that I would like to do away with is thinking that you can get energy from these drinks or thinking that you can enjoy something that's so sweet that you're drinking and it's not going to set a pattern in everything else you desire.
[01:01:06]  It changes your desirability.
[01:01:09]  When you're drinking something that's sweet, all the time your brain, your reticular activating system, is going to start looking for, where can I get that sweet sweet, sweet?
[01:01:18]  And that's not good training, because we're only as good as our metabolism.
[01:01:22]  We have got to worry about metabolic flexibility and metabolic health.
[01:01:27]  We talked a little bit earlier about how X and TikTok and Instagram are really big about getting information out there to people, yet there still are very big accounts of moms who are, I think, in a good, good heart, making dinner for their children or showing their grocery hauls each week, but showing a lot of processed items with not a lot of fruit and vegetables.
[01:01:47]  How are you reaching those people in say, lower income communities or who aren't you know as up on all of these wellness trends, and teaching them what's in the grocery store and encouraging them to choose different options, when that, really that education, is a steep curve?
[01:02:04]  It's a very steep curve and it's a great point.

=== Community Level Education (02:56) ===

[01:02:06]  And I used to have my boots on the ground.
[01:02:08]  I had a brand called Super KIDS Wellness, and I would go around to all the schools in the area, and I would teach them.
[01:02:17]  I would have all of these characters, and each character represented an organ of the body, and each character had a personality.
[01:02:25]  And I would talk about how each food would affect these organs, would affect your system to little kids.
[01:02:30]  And then we go and we go, it was on a farm, these farms.
[01:02:33]  I went to area farms, and the kids would go out and they'd harvest and pick these foods.
[01:02:37]  I cannot tell you how many times we brought back harvest, and kids had never seen the vegetables that we had picked before.
[01:02:45]  Do you realize the state that we're in and to the extent of which action needs to be taken?
[01:02:52]  They would literally have no idea what the simplest vegetables were.
[01:02:56]  I had one mom came back to me and I was talking about different breads and different grains and different breads.
[01:03:02]  And she came back and she said, I would appreciate if you didn't talk about these things because I can't afford to give my family these breads that you're talking about.
[01:03:11]  What a lesson that was for me.
[01:03:13]  What a lesson.
[01:03:14]  And if that doesn't make you want to stand up and make a difference, because there are a lot of kids that need our help.
[01:03:22]  So how do you start?
[01:03:23]  You got to start in community on the community level.
[01:03:26]  One community has to set fire to another, another, another, and it has to happen with your boots on the ground.
[01:03:34]  Has to happen with your boots on the ground.
[01:03:36]  Speaking of boots on the ground, we are in New York City today.
[01:03:39]  There's an election coming up soon.
[01:03:41]  What do you think of the mayoral candidates?
[01:03:46]  Does Ma'am Donnie have your vote?
[01:03:48]  No.
[01:03:50]  What do you think happens to New York if he wins?
[01:03:55]  Guys, look around us.
[01:03:58]  This is the city that I love so very much.
[01:04:02]  And I'm here every day.
[01:04:04]  And I see the everyday effects of every decision that's being made and the type of leadership that we need for this city, the most incredible city of the world.
[01:04:17]  It's very upsetting to me to even talk about this because I love the city so much.
[01:04:23]  And it's the policies.
[01:04:26]  People that are making decisions have to understand the policies behind the decisions that they're making.
[01:04:34]  And this city needs some big-time leadership because the potentiality is here.
[01:04:40]  Why do you think New York is so lost?
[01:04:43]  New York is very polarizing.
[01:04:47]  The players in New York, the people who live here, it's very polar, polarizing city.
[01:04:54]  Why is it lost?
[01:04:56]  It's lost because everyone's confused.
[01:04:58]  There's a lot of confusion.
[01:04:59]  There's a lot of confusion.
[01:05:00]  And we still have a lot.

=== New York Confusion (05:06) ===

[01:05:03]  I probably shouldn't be talking about this too much.
[01:05:05]  Okay.
[01:05:06]  Because I could talk about it forever because you're hitting on a spot.
[01:05:10]  But I have to be careful about.
[01:05:14]  I was going to end that one.
[01:05:15]  I've got two more questions.
[01:05:17]  Yeah.
[01:05:17]  I see you're wearing an aura ring.
[01:05:19]  I live by biotech.
[01:05:21]  My dream is to create biotech that really makes a difference because this is, okay, when you talk about like wellness trends that you love, I talked about what I don't like, which is the, which is the sugary drinks that claim to give you energy.
[01:05:35]  What I've learned with patients is that empirical data makes a difference.
[01:05:38]  When they could see something in front of them that showed that kind of shift, wow, this has helped me with my sleep so much to really, because you see exactly how much sleep you've gotten.
[01:05:51]  And then you can think about what did I do last night?
[01:05:53]  Even with alcohol, things like that, like what an impact that has.
[01:05:57]  And if somebody's in perimenopause or menopause, they'll really learn the things that are going to make a difference between your stress, your stress profile and your sleep profile.
[01:06:08]  And also, I'm a big advocate of making sure I get my steps in every day.
[01:06:12]  And if it's late at night and I'm back and I haven't got my steps in, sometimes I'll just walk around the apartment and get my steps in because the steps have made a really big difference.
[01:06:20]  Have you tried like the whoop or anything else?
[01:06:22]  Are you like a loyal aura?
[01:06:23]  I've tried them all, but I like the aura the best.
[01:06:26]  It's just work.
[01:06:27]  It's just the best information for me.
[01:06:30]  And it works the best and it's low maintenance and it's easy.
[01:06:34]  You know, low maintenance and easy and getting a lot of people.
[01:06:36]  Do you believe the new data that says 10,000 steps is equal to that of 6,000 steps now?
[01:06:40]  Yeah.
[01:06:40]  You've lowered it.
[01:06:41]  Yes, I do.
[01:06:42]  I do.
[01:06:43]  If you study trends about how much people used to walk, wow.
[01:06:49]  I mean, on average, I mean, 25,000 steps a day.
[01:06:53]  That's what people used to walk about 20 to 25,000 steps a day.
[01:06:56]  And now, you know, we're really pushing for 10.
[01:07:00]  I'd say start anywhere, though.
[01:07:02]  Start anywhere.
[01:07:03]  I know people that say, I can't use this because my aura ring is always mad at me.
[01:07:07]  It's showing me that I'm not getting enough sleep.
[01:07:09]  I'm not well.
[01:07:10]  Just it's, you need to start somewhere.
[01:07:13]  And, you know, you just got to start and look at those numbers and look at where they and do your best.
[01:07:18]  Just absolutely do your best.
[01:07:19]  Where did your drive come from to always know more, always learn, to go to medical school?
[01:07:27]  My whole drive came from the fact that I was, I had endometriosis growing up.
[01:07:33]  And so what that basically means is that you have incredible stomach cramps that are unbelievable every month to the fact that you, it really makes it so it impacts.
[01:07:43]  So mine impacted everything in my life, my menstrual cycle, until I learned a lot of things.
[01:07:50]  It impacted everything from going to school to dating to travel to everything.
[01:07:56]  And so every doctor basically said, we should remove this organ, we should remove that organ, or you realize you probably can't have kids.
[01:08:06]  So I was told at 16, I guess it was, 16, that you probably can have kids.
[01:08:11]  Were they over prescribing birth control at this point?
[01:08:14]  And they told me take birth control and they said take it all the way through.
[01:08:17]  Don't take that break.
[01:08:19]  Just take, just continual, continue to take birth control through and through.
[01:08:24]  And it was then that I knew there's just something inside of me that I knew not to have these surgeries.
[01:08:31]  I wanted to have children.
[01:08:32]  And anyway, I'm so glad that I did what I did because I have two beautiful boys today.
[01:08:37]  And I think if I didn't have that thing inside of me that was curated in that moment, if I didn't have that thing and the drive to me is I want to have kids.
[01:08:46]  I know I want to have kids.
[01:08:47]  I've always known I want to have kids.
[01:08:49]  So let me figure this out.
[01:08:51]  Do you think it's a mistake that they over prescribe birth control?
[01:08:54]  I mean, it was when I was growing up for anything, for acne, for hormone imbalance, they just get on birth control.
[01:09:00]  And that's why our birth rate is so low today, just how much they prescribed.
[01:09:05]  I think it messes with your hormones.
[01:09:07]  And I think there's a lot of trickery that's involved in the body when you start taking that kind of medication.
[01:09:14]  Do you think it's permanent lasting damage?
[01:09:16]  I think it could be.
[01:09:17]  I think it could be.
[01:09:20]  I think that we need to be very smart about the prescriptions that we're taking all together.
[01:09:26]  You know, one of the things about birth rates, though, it's like the way a woman has the most success in conceiving.
[01:09:35]  We have so many hormone disruptors that are out there now.
[01:09:39]  And we're under have, like I said, the women in that age category are very underserved.
[01:09:45]  And a woman has to feel very safe within her body in order to conceive.
[01:09:50]  So between all the hormone disruptors, between the refined foods and between the stresses that women are under, I mean, it makes it much more difficult.
[01:09:59]  And in addition to that, you know, medications that were given along the way.
[01:10:03]  Do you think the rise of infertility is tied to the gut microbiome and how unhealthy our foods have now become?

=== Dinner With Ancestors (02:24) ===

[01:10:10]  It can't not be.
[01:10:11]  It can't not be.
[01:10:12]  The brain in its intelligence to affect everything, you know, to affect even thoughts, you know, the pathway between the brain and the gut is unbelievable.
[01:10:26]  So the gut impacts everything.
[01:10:30]  It impacts everything.
[01:10:31]  It really is our second brain in every way.
[01:10:34]  And we're going to close with this last question.
[01:10:36]  If you could have, host a dinner party with three people dead or alive, who are you hosting and what are you eating?
[01:10:42]  Okay.
[01:10:43]  So if I were to have a dinner party and I would host, gosh, oh my God.
[01:10:50]  I would love to have, and I know this is not the most profound answer, but my ancestors are absolutely incredible because the fight that they had in them, and I even look at it with my father without the education and everything else.
[01:11:08]  So I would love to have my grandfather there.
[01:11:11]  I would love to have my grandmom there.
[01:11:14]  I would love to have my children listen to the wisdom.
[01:11:17]  We don't listen to the wisdom of our elders the way we, I mean, what's at their disposal is incredible.
[01:11:26]  And I also think what's happening in the world and all of the mechanics that are out there in the world, we have opportunity now that we never had before.
[01:11:36]  What an amazing time to be my kids' age.
[01:11:39]  What an amazing time.
[01:11:40]  So to have somebody that's really, to have my ancestors there, my great-grandfather, my great-grandmom, and to have somebody like Elon Musk or someone that's really high in tech, that would be the best dinner party ever.
[01:11:52]  Mind blowing experience to say we have like a starship going to Mars and, you know, someone from the past.
[01:12:00]  Mind-blowing.
[01:12:01]  I mean, so to me, that old, new wisdom would be the best dinner party ever.
[01:12:08]  And I would have seven fishes.
[01:12:11]  I would have a really, you know, healthy pasta there.
[01:12:14]  I would, I mean, it would be so joyous.
[01:12:17]  I mean, to me, dinner parties are my favorite way to spend time when it's not work.
[01:12:23]  And I have them often.
[01:12:25]  And I love to get to new.
[01:12:27]  What's the last great party you've thrown?
[01:12:29]  The last great party I've thrown, I would say, would be, it was in January.

=== Hosting Joyous Gatherings (01:55) ===

[01:12:34]  I had a big blowout and I had it at one of the clubs here, the core club that's local.
[01:12:38]  That's in Midtown.
[01:12:40]  And I had all these people.
[01:12:41]  I had all these people from media and I had friends that I wanted to get to know.
[01:12:45]  My friends are people I wanted to get to know.
[01:12:47]  It was a really good blend of about 40 people.
[01:12:50]  And we all got up.
[01:12:51]  I made everybody get up and tell a little story.
[01:12:54]  And it was fun.
[01:12:56]  It was that is like that laughter is the best medicine.
[01:13:00]  It's the best medicine.
[01:13:02]  Thank you so much for doing this today.
[01:13:04]  Oh, that's it was so fun.
[01:13:06]  It was so fun.
[01:13:08]  To talk about all of these things and not just health has been great, just to talk about everything.
[01:13:14]  I think for women today, it's incredibly, I think, confusing and complicated to figure out what's the best food to buy for my children.
[01:13:23]  What should I be putting in my body?
[01:13:24]  How much need to exercise when there is just now, contrary to how probably when you were growing up in the industry for what was available to somebody reading a book versus now you open your phone and you scroll and there's 15 different pieces of advice that often conflict with each other.
[01:13:39]  And it's hard to know which one to follow.
[01:13:42]  That's why you have to go to really trusted sources with anything, even the stuff that you buy.
[01:13:46]  You want to go to trusted sources.
[01:13:48]  And that's why I'm proud of myself and my colleagues that have been in this for a long time, that we've seen it all.
[01:13:57]  And so I do give accolades to all these people I'm seeing on TikTok going to all these different stores and talking about what's good in the store, what's bad in the store.
[01:14:04]  I love it.
[01:14:05]  But you have to stick to the same principles.
[01:14:07]  What is going to heal my gut?
[01:14:08]  What is going to take that systemic inflammation down?
[01:14:10]  What's going to train my body to be a natural fat burner?
[01:14:13]  Because it's against natural body not to have that as a win.
[01:14:18]  Thank you.
[01:14:18]  Thank you, Dr. Kelly.
[01:14:19]  Thank you.
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